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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-05-07

---Logopened Thu May 07 00:00:10 2009
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00:00<pasoev>Supaplex: thanks you alot :) Ut works now
00:00<pasoev>jmorris: :-D
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00:05<Supaplex>!locate lto-1 tape in my home.
00:08<Supaplex>women seem to have a nack for this. can someone ask their wife/gf/mom/whatever/etc where my lto1 cartridge is? :-D
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00:12<drakeman>Hello to all the people here!
00:13<drakeman>first time in the channel! new into debian, just saying hello!
00:14<pasoev>drakeman: Hi!
00:14<Supaplex>dpkg: say drakeman: Hi there!
00:14<dpkg>drakeman: Hi there!
00:15<drakeman>hello!!... so much people here! nice!
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00:16<pasoev>drakeman: 369
00:17<pasoev>drakeman: yep, 369 people
00:18<drakeman>hey pasoev i remember you hehe.... i talked to you few monts earlier
00:18<drakeman>but i think that your name was pasov
00:18<drakeman>the same?..
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00:19<pasoev>drakeman: really? you know me?
00:19<pasoev>drakeman: My name is Sergi Pasoev
00:20<f_9>My name is Airon
00:20<pasoev>drakeman: Pasoev is surname :
00:21<f_9>where r u from
00:21<drakeman>mmm, im not sure, but i entered here like 4 months ago approx, asking for help, and someone with pasov (nickname) helped me
00:21<f_9>well i would like to help u but im a new usser
00:22<pasoev>drakeman: First time I saw debian, was three days ago :d
00:22<f_9>r u using a linux distribution
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00:24<drakeman>Pmmm, then is not you
00:24<drakeman>who f_9? me?
00:25<drakeman>im using Squeeze right now!..
00:25<drakeman>yes, im new user too! hehe.
00:25<f_9>im using debian
00:25<f_9>5.0 lenny
00:26<drakeman>nice! i have debian few months ago, but my hdd go damage, and i bought a new one 3 days ago, and im in debian again! i missed debian! hehe
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00:27<drakeman>sorry for my english, hehe is not so good, but i think you can understand me hehe, im from panama, mainly i speak spanish!
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00:27<f_9>no t preocupes io soy de el salvador tbm hablo español
00:27<pasoev>I am new too
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00:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:29<drakeman>(mm, interesting, now i have who can help me in my language if i dont understand something)
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00:30<f_9>what its ur real name
00:30<f_9>nice to meet u
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00:30<drakeman>nice to meet you too!
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00:31<f_9>how old r u?
00:31<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
00:31<drakeman>Thanks supaplex! hehehe sorry!
00:32<drakeman>sorry, i learn this english from internet!
00:32<f_9>jeje thanks but i use the letter like an acronym
00:32<f_9>u like when you say you
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00:40<drakeman>hey, how old are you f_9
00:40<f_9>i'm 19
00:40<drakeman>how much time you have with debian?
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00:41<f_9>a few months
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00:41<drakeman>nice! you are frequently in the channel?
00:41<drakeman>hello jprojas
00:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:43<f_9>no its my first time using IRC
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00:46<Supaplex>just having difficulty locating three items in my office.
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00:47<Supaplex>a tape backup cartridge, and two sas controllers.
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00:47<drakeman>: -o
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00:48<drakeman>you are in your office right now? working? where are you from?
00:48<Supaplex>it's a home office
00:49<drakeman>oh, i understand! well, tape backup is big, hard to lost hehe...
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00:49<drakeman>sorry, hard to loose! hehe,
00:49<Supaplex>it's about the size of a deck of cards.
00:50<Silicium01>I'm a devoted Debian fan, and want to install it on a netbook (Acer aspire one) that has 412 mb ram, which desktop environment would you recommend?
00:50<drakeman>like i said before, hard to loose it!
00:50<drakeman>same with the sas controllers
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00:50<Supaplex>Silicium01: mine runs great with openbox
00:51<Silicium01>would gnome be too heavy for 512 memory?
00:51<Silicium01>Silicium01, openbox? is that a DE?
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00:51<setuid>Ok, I'm on wireless now
00:52<Supaplex>drakeman: easy for you to say. :)
00:52<setuid>This version of nm-applet is VERY different, lacking a lot of the features that were in the Ubuntu version. How far behind current (stable) packages is Lenny? A year? 2 years?
00:53<drakeman>hehe, or you handle with many type backups catridges and you are searchin for an specific one
00:53<Silicium01>Supaplex, can I run regular programs (openoffice, document viewer, skype etc...) in openbox?
00:53<Supaplex>Silicium01: sure.
00:53<R_YoYo_R>setuid, its not too far behind. remember that ubuntu does alot of customization to stuff
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00:54<Supaplex>setuid: check
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00:55<setuid>R_YoYo_R, RIght, but if I can't do WWAN with Debian, that rules it out as a supportable platform
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00:56<R_YoYo_R>setuid, i am positive you can do it with debian
00:56<setuid>R_YoYo_R, WWAN? Are you _sure_?
00:57<R_YoYo_R>setuid, positive
00:57<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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00:58<Supaplex>at least this time it's not "snss"
01:00<R_YoYo_R>i am using flash 10 from backports right now
01:00<setuid>I'm trying to build the latest NetworkManager from source, using the same options as the default (much older) one in Lenny, via debian/rules file
01:02<Supaplex>is it not available in backports?
01:02<Supaplex>or is the sid version too similar in age to the lenny one?
01:02<setuid>No idea, let me see how to put that into my sources.list and get it going... I've run Sid before, and am aware of the pains involved some days, but I want to stay clean and close to the distro here
01:03<Supaplex>backports is the preferred approach
01:03<R_YoYo_R>its not in backports yet
01:03<Supaplex>then, <simple sid backport>
01:03<Supaplex>and even <uupdate>
01:03<R_YoYo_R>cant this be achieved in another fashion? forget Nm all together
01:04<setuid>What are those tags?
01:04<setuid>some wiki'ism?
01:04<Supaplex>!simple sid backport
01:04<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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01:04<Supaplex>they're ask the bot type factoids.
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01:05<Supaplex>the dichatomy here is, new code changes can introudce new bugs. debian distances itself from bugs by controlling how new code eventually trickles its way down to stable.
01:06<Supaplex>it isn't old because we're lazy. it's intentional to meet the goal of stability.
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01:07<setuid>Seems the packages in backports are identical to Lenny
01:07<setuid>Everything, every single package
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01:08<Supaplex>how about sid, is it worth a simple sid backport? otherwise, uupdate.
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01:09<setuid>If I'm going to do that, I'll just jump straight to sid
01:09<setuid>I was hoping Lenny would be relatively current
01:10<Supaplex>bts will be your new friend. :)
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01:12<setuid>Jumping to sid... need this working one way or another, before 5am EST
01:13<setuid>I was hoping to sleep tonight, looks like that's out
01:13<setuid>870 upgraded, 325 newly installed, 62 to remove and 98 not upgraded.
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01:39<gane>hi , i want to test my cluster setup. there i want to down one server and i want to test that the packets are redirect to another server. is there any way to test this kind of issue.
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01:41<dasdsadsad>maybe someone here will know
01:41<dasdsadsad>which format of a file is needed for the syslinux splash?
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01:42<dasdsadsad>ah i see it in Howto
01:42<dasdsadsad>nevermind, sorry
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01:53<SAN>hi , i set up the cluster in my system. if i down one system in the cluster , then another comes up. here i want to know how the multitasking happens. is there any idea?
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01:58<f_9>how r u?
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02:02<gabes>Anyone familiar with setting up wlan? I've been bashing my head against a problem with lenny for a few hours now
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02:03<gsimmons>gabes: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
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02:04<gabes>k, thanks. iwlist scan gives "No scan results" 90% of the time for 3 different wireless cards
02:04<gabes>I'm seeing a "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan1: link is not ready" in dmesg
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02:05<gabes>I'm having issues getting it to connect to a WEP or WPA network, but I figure there's something wrong at a lower level
02:05<gabes>It has connected successfully to a WPA network, once. I can't manage to recreate that.
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02:07<gabes>I'm wondering if I've missed some incredibly obvious step :/
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02:15<jm_>gabes: are you sure it's properly configured as far as driver goes?
02:16<gabes>as sure as I can be. iwconfig shows the interfaces properly (obviously it shows them as not being connected to anything)
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02:17<Supaplex>and the interface is up?
02:17<gabes>think so. I don't understand the difference between ifup and ifconfig interface up, though
02:18<gabes>either way, iwlist scan gives a different message if the interface is down
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02:26<Supaplex>right. ifconfig <ifd> up
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02:26<Supaplex>dpkg: sco
02:26<dpkg>i heard sco is Santa Cruz Operation,, and also suing everyone over linux The SCO that's doing the suing is actually Caldera, renamed to SCO (The SCO Group). The original SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) went bankrupt years ago and became Tarantella. EFAIL (crewel irony of errno.h)
02:27<Supaplex>what the tab completion?! /msg -freenode dpkg sco is also
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02:29<stuckey>There's a little box at the right hand coner of my screen, with tux on the left side and to his right, a message that says "Your system had a kernel failure".
02:29<stuckey>It goes on to ask if I want to submit information to the "" website abou the failure.
02:29<jm_>heh kerneloops submitter
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02:30<Supaplex>stuckey: provided the kernel isn't tainted with non gpl code, it can't hurt. otherwise they'll likely ignore it.
02:30<stuckey>Supaplex: it's tainted. I'm using nvidia.
02:30<Supaplex>ahh pity.
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02:30<stuckey>I had never seen this thing before...
02:30<Supaplex>!lart nvidia for violating gpl, still.
02:30*dpkg chops nvidia in half with a free AOL CD for violating gpl, still.
02:31<jm_>!info kerneloops
02:31<dpkg>kerneloops: (kernel oops tracker), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.12+git20090217-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 188 kB
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02:32<jm_>some other distributions install it by default
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02:33<Supaplex>I can't wait to fire up the console server now. :) I found my rj45 connectors, so now I can make the right cables. mmmmm 48 port cyclades console server. yumm.
02:33<gabes>"ath5k phy1: noise floor calibration timeout (2417MHz)"
02:33<gabes>hm, fun. I remember reading about this being a problem with similar but not identical wireless cards
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02:34<gabes>I'm thinking of trying a newer kernel, just for kicks - what's the easiest way to do so on lenny?
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02:34<Supaplex>you want a gnu'er kernel?
02:34*gabes gives dirty look
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02:35<gabes>I'm relatively new to debian, not sure what's the best way to install a kernel newer than stable provides
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02:36<jm_>backports, or unofficial repositories
02:36<jm_>or build your own
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02:36<stuckey>What's the point in building your own kernel?
02:36<Supaplex>isn't there that kmto kernel repo?
02:37<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just, or <kernel build-deps>
02:37<gsimmons>gabes: That ath5k message rings a bell, see Apparently fixed in
02:37<jm_>there is no point for anyone that's asking such a question
02:37<gabes>gsimmons: that's exactly the issue I was referring to, however this is an AR2413, not a 242x
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02:41<gabes>so do I need to compile my own, or is there somewhere I can get a binary?
02:41<gabes>it sounds like I might be able to pull 2.6.29 from sid, but frankly I don't really know how to do that
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02:44<nuscire>Hi, guys. How can I display UTF-8 characters in the console mode? locale set to en_US.UTF-8, some characters are displayed as 'diamonds'.
02:44<tux_>Hi :)
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03:26<kons>Buenos dias
03:26<kons>alguien sabe algo de ocs inventory ?
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03:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
03:27<kons>hi, i have a problem with a "OCS INVENTORY"
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03:53<_johan>Anybody have any solution on EEEPC-1000h wlan problem? Seems like you cant connect to password protected wlans
03:54<sney>there are a few different 1000H wlan problems but I haven't heard of that one before
03:55<interbird>For anyone who lost aptitude, synaptic and more with the update problems on testing/squeeze,
03:55<interbird>This worked for me:
03:55<interbird>Download apt_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb and apt-utils_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb from
03:55<sney>wpa-supplicant tends to be hardware independent... the problems I've heard are ath5k not seeing any access points, and madwifi dropping the connection like a hot potato
03:55<interbird>dpkg -i apt_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb
03:55*dpkg removes a kidney from interbird and replaces it with apt_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb
03:55<interbird> dpkg -i apt_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb
03:56<interbird>dpkg -i apt-utils_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb
03:56<dpkg>package apt-utils_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb is already installed
03:56<interbird> dpkg -i apt-utils_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb
03:56<interbird>Now you can 'apt-get install aptitude synaptic' again without getting the libapt... dependency.
03:56<jm_>interbird: you can specify several files for dpkg -i command
03:56<interbird>Hope this works for others too !
03:56<sney>_johan: what kernel/wifi driver are you using? and what sort of encryption is on the network in question
03:56<interbird>jm_: i know
03:57<_johan>sney, ra0, ralink.. works fine connection to non password procteced, but it cant when using password
03:57<gsimmons>_johan: Have you read There are several known issues and workarounds documented concerning this driver.
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04:22<interbird>Here is a one-liner to downgrade apt and apt-utils to resolve the testing/squeeze upgrade problems:
04:22<interbird>site=""; for p in apt_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb apt-utils_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb; do wget $site/$p; su -- -c "dpkg -i $p"; done
04:22<interbird>The passwd asked is your root-pwd
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04:26<twb>Is there a way to tell /etc/network/interfaces to just try to run dhclient on "all other interfaces"?
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04:26<twb>I'm installing onto a USB key which might be plugged into a one-NIC box, or (say) an eight-NIC box, and I'd like it to try, in parallel, DHCPing on all those NICs.
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04:29<interbird>twb: you could create a script that runs at boot that enumberates the interfaces and then generates a interfaces file with auto for each interface and then restart networking
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04:31<twb>interbird: yeah, that's plan B
04:31<twb>I don't want this USB key to end up as another bloody Knoppix
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04:36<twb>Currently I have have "auto eth0" through eth3 and just let it try to raise them all sequentially, which is ugly, but easy.
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04:39<interbird>Beware of 'race conditions' if you manage to raise them in parallel; seems to me that sequential makes 'first connect is main'...
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04:41<mauser1891>are you port forwarding ?
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04:43<jaycee>noob need to know the key combination to break program hang which freezes the mouse...
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04:46<interbird>jaycee: open a terminal and then killall program_name
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04:47<jaycee>both keyboard and mouse are not responding.......
04:48<interbird>what is the offending program ?
04:48<jaycee>google earth......
04:49<twb>Evil non-free unsupported non-Debian software?!
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04:50<DWellsHere>The Heretic should be stoned
04:50<interbird>try to open a text-console with ctrl-alt-f2, login, do a ps -ef | grep earth and kill it with kill PID. ctrl-alt-f7 gets you back to the GUI
04:50<DWellsHere>oh, wait .. that's just me
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04:51<locklace>try magic sysrq
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04:52<jaycee>is there an Debian equivalent of "Ctrl, Alt, Del" in MS Windows to break program (system) hang ??
04:52<interbird>ctrl-alt-backspace kills the X-server
04:52<interbird>all gui-progs get terminated
04:52<jaycee>Sorry I did not catch up the lines above.....
04:52<interbird>ctrl-alt-backspace kills the X-server
04:52<interbird>all gui-progs get terminated
04:53<dr|z3d>jaycee: ps - |grep <processname> then killall -9 pid
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04:53<dr|z3d>*ps -e
04:53<jm_>jaycee: you can have another combo next to ctrl-alt-del (which is default for init) do whatever you want
04:55<jaycee>I will stick to the ctrl, alt, F2/7 os my board has no sysreq key....tks.....
04:55<jm_>as long as you can switch out it's the best way
04:57<locklace>jaycee: magic sysrq is only if your system is hung so badly that you can't work from a text console; it's a backdoor into the kernel. you should need it rarely if ever, but when you do it's invaluable
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04:57<locklace>jaycee: on some keyboards the sysrq key may just say "PrtSc" or something
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04:59<interbird>On my kb (laptop) Sys Rq is on the Delete key
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05:00<locklace>you can try pressing the sysrq key and then 'h' while holding down Alt to see if it's enabled in your kernel
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05:02<jaycee>my kb has only PAUSE/Break come close to prtsc and sysreq. I have tried ctrl, alt, pause/break but has no effect..I will try alt, pause/break and h and see the effect....
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05:04<jaycee>alt,h,pause/break has no effect to kernel.....
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05:05<interbird>jaycee: did you manage to login to a text-console using ctrl-alt-f2 ?
05:06<jaycee>yes, alt,ctrl,f2/f7 is functioning.
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05:07<interbird>jaycee: the a ps -ef | grep earth should show the google earth program
05:07<interbird>jaycee: the first number is the pid
05:07<interbird>jaycee: kill -9 PID
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05:08<jaycee>no problem. I am out of the loop already. you people save me from reboot/reset system each time mouse and kb frozen...
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05:11<jaycee>examined anther kb, prtsc/sysreq and pause/break are two different keys....think that i will try the alt, sysreq and h late.....tks to everybody......
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05:17<Dominique>hi! How do i authenticate non-root users to use 'mount' command?
05:17<jm_>by editing fstab
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05:17<Dominique>well, that's for an external HDD. so each time i boot without my HDD, the changes are undone.
05:18<Yoda-BZH`Wk>with sudo
05:18<Dominique>if i use sudo, don't i need root password?
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05:19<jm_>no reboot doesn't make fstab modifications go away
05:19<Yoda-BZH`Wk>with sudo, depends on how u configure it
05:19<Dominique>it does when i boot without my external HDD powered on.
05:20<jm_>ok, I give up
05:20<Dominique>it says "<username> is not in the sudoers file"
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05:20<Dominique>how do i make the user member of sudoers?
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05:21<Yoda-BZH`Wk>Dominique both of our solutions works, by editing /etc/fstab changes are persistant
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05:22<Dominique>i'm sorry, but i've used the fstab technique...
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05:22<Yoda-BZH`Wk>I have the mount/fstab solution @home and it works perfectly
05:22<Dominique>it preserves changes if my external HDD is powered on and connected. Otherwise, it loses changes.
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05:24<Dominique>i'm sry, but doesn't fstab exist in /etc/ ?
05:24<dpkg>hello, dominique
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05:25<Dominique>how about i authenticate my non-root user to use 'mount'?
05:26<Dominique>can i do that?
05:26<jm_>it was already explained how to do it - sudo or fstab
05:26<jm_>pick one and go with it
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05:27<interbird>Dominique: with sudo you can do that, but the user then also has access to other root-only commands
05:27<Dominique>and i already said that it returns the message: "dom is not in the sodoers file. This incident will be reported"
05:27<interbird>Dominique: visudo as root and add an entry for your user
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05:27<jm_>well obviously it won't work just like that
05:28<jm_>time to read man sudo and other man pages it is refering to
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05:28<interbird>Dominique: like the root line also in the file
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05:28<llutz>interbird: you can configure sudo for single commands
05:28<interbird>Dominique: you can restrict the user to specific commands but then you have to read-up on sudo on ow to do that
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05:30<Dominique>okay. I've replicated the 'root ...' line in the visudo
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05:30<Dominique>i believe that gives me access to all the root commands...
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05:30<Man_of_Wax>hi, what is the best way to change filesystem in a portition whitout losing the data? Obviusly I need to make a backup, but with which tool? Is cp a good choice?
05:31<llutz>Man_of_Wax: change from to what?
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05:31<Man_of_Wax>reiserfs to ext3
05:31<amphi>Man_of_Wax: cp -a will preserve perms and ownership
05:32<Man_of_Wax>yep so cp does the trick
05:32<llutz>Man_of_Wax: will destroy your data. use cp -a or rsync/tar/tool of your choice to backup
05:32<Dominique>Automatic backups allow you to make sure your files are always backed up and safe from sudden loss or accidental deletion. The goal with backups is to be able to select files and have then update regularly. The method to do this is too involved for this article, so visit this excellent link to learn how:
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05:32<interbird>Dominique: yes it does, you can restrict that but i don't know by heart.
05:33<Dominique>okay. thnx. i'll find dat out.
05:33<Supaplex>and be careful to restrict command line options, and don't assume an editor is safe (eg, can it spawn a shell, edit files that can compermise security)
05:33<interbird>may be of help
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05:34<Dominique>thnx interbird
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05:34<jzumo>hey there
05:34*Supaplex turns the dual monitors off *click* and wonders off to bed.
05:35<jzumo>what does it mena wenn i try to auth to my postfix via telnet
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05:35<jzumo>nad get this error:
05:35<jzumo>#535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: generic failure
05:35<wolfaba>hi all. Any can me answer simple question? I have installed package PACKAGE in version 1.0. There is upgrade to version 1.1, but I want to ignore this update and wait for the next version 1.2. Is it possible and how using apt_preferences? Thank you for help.
05:35<jzumo>user/password are correct!
05:35<wolfaba>Any -> Anyone ...
05:35<themill>dpkg: tell wolfaba about hold
05:36<jzumo>can someone please help me? this is fucking me up for days -.
05:36<wolfaba>themill: hmmm, it is not the same - I don't want to hold 1.0 (this can be made using apt_preferences too), I want to ignore upgrade to version 1.1
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05:37<themill>so you put the package on hold when you have 1.0 installed....
05:37<wolfaba>themill: but I would like to upgrade to 1.2 when it is available ...
05:38<wolfaba>jzume: how do you make the authentication? you should check mail server logs, if you find there more descriptive error message
05:38<jzumo>i disalbed tls to test it via telnet
05:39<wolfaba>jzumo: what kind of smtp server? postfix?
05:39<themill>take the hold off then. You can do this via pinning but it is highly non-trivial to get right. "/msg dpkg pinning" and look at the examples of pinning versions in man 5 apt_preferences.
05:39<jzumo>yesfix saslauth and dovecot
05:39<jzumo>dovecot works, means i can recieve mails
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05:40<jzumo>i guess i have to look at /var/log/mail.log ?
05:40<wolfaba>yes, try to find other error message around this smtp error ...
05:41<jm_>you can easily pin on version
05:41<jzumo>May 7 04:40:54 main postfix/smtpd[14523]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory
05:41<jzumo>May 7 04:40:54 main postfix/smtpd[14523]: warning: SASL authentication failure: Password verification failed
05:41<jzumo>May 7 04:40:54 main postfix/smtpd[14523]: warning:[]: SASL plain authentication failed: generic failure
05:41<wolfaba>check the /var/log/auth.log too ...
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05:41<wolfaba>OK, saslauthd server is not running ...
05:41<jzumo>these 3 lines are logged when i try to auth via telnet
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05:42<jzumo>main:~# /etc/init.d/saslauthd start
05:42<jzumo>Starting SASL Authentication Daemon: saslauthd (already running).
05:42<wolfaba>postfix tries to connect to saslauthd using socket file ... O
05:42<wolfaba>saslauthd is running, but this socket file is not accessible for postfix, because postfix uses chroot and postfix can access only this chroot ...
05:42<jm_>don't you just love "no such file or directory" errors that don't tell you which file it's talking about?
05:43<jzumo>yes -.-
05:43<jzumo>i love them
05:43<wolfaba>you have to reconfigure saslauthd to use socket somewhere in /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd....
05:43<locklace>jm_: it's an irritatingly common programmer failure
05:43<jm_>locklace: indeed
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05:44<jzumo>wolfaba: in this smtpd.conf file?
05:44<wolfaba>jm_: I now, but I don't want to pin current version (this works), but I need to skip only one version, which is ready to upgrade. I need ignore version 1.1 but later upgrade to version 1.2
05:44<themill>wolfaba: right... man 5 apt_preferences... there are examples
05:44<locklace>isn't there a key in aptitude to do exactly that
05:44<jm_>wolfaba: so pin 1.1 with lower priority
05:45<locklace>: or something
05:45<jm_>not rocket science
05:45<wolfaba>jzumo: no, it is in /etc/defaults/saslauthd , variable PARAMS="-m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd"
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05:45<themill>jm_: nothing to do with pinning is easy..... it always seems to turn into a snafu
05:45<wolfaba>jm_: yes, I did this .. but this doesn't work ...
05:46<wolfaba>jm_: Package: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686
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05:46<wolfaba>jm_: Pin: version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch2
05:46<jzumo>well when i type vim /etc/defaults/saslauthd
05:46<wolfaba>jm_: Pin-Priority: -1
05:46<themill>wolfaba: can you pastebin your preferences file and the output of "apt-cache policy"
05:46<jzumo>it says "/etc/defaults/saslauthd" [New DIRECTORY]
05:46<themill>wolfaba: (please pastebin rather than dumping stuff in the channel, it's easier and you won't get kicked by debhelper for flooding)
05:47<locklace>[aptitude install] "<package>: Keep <package> at its current version: cancel any installation, removal or upgrade. Unlike “hold” (above) this does not prevent automatic upgrades in the future."
05:47<jm_>probably /etc/default/saslauthd
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05:47<wolfaba>jzumo: oh sorry, jm_ is right ... /etc/default ...
05:47<jzumo>yes i recognized the typing mistake
05:47<themill>locklace: "does not prevent automatic upgrades" is not what is wanted -- just prevent one particular version is the problem.
05:47<wolfaba>themill: policy is correct, repositories are 500, local /var/lib/dpkg/status are 100 ...
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05:48<jzumo>PARAMS="-m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd"
05:48<jzumo>these 3 lines were added by me (doing a howto)
05:48<locklace>themill: just seems like a different (and far easier) way to handle the same problem to me
05:48<themill>wolfaba: "policy" is obviously not correct if you're saying that your pinning is not working.
05:49<wolfaba>did you restart saslauthd?
05:49<themill>locklace: yes... I'd just use hold for this, as I said.
05:49<jzumo>but theres one meore line which confueses me, it was already there:
05:49<jzumo>OPTIONS="-c -m /var/run/saslauthd"
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05:49<wolfaba>themill: OK, once more - pinning installed version to 1001 ignores all upgrades ...
05:50<locklace>wolfaba: so you un-hold it when the next new version you actually want is available
05:50<wolfaba>themill: but I would like to skip only one upgrade, it means, I don't want to pin installed version, rather I would like to pin upgrade version ...
05:51<wolfaba>locklace: yes, this could be solution, but now I use apticron, it sends me upgrades info and using nagios monitoring apt-get -s upgrade tell me about new version too. Pinning installed version does not tell me, if new version come ...
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05:52<wolfaba>locklace, themill: I think the pinning works with not-installed package the same way as with installed ... OK, I think I have to solve it manually ...
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05:52<themill>wolfaba: I don't do hypotheticals.... where's this "1001" suddenly come from. Until I see actual files, actual output and real descriptions of expected vs actual output from (say) aptitude upgrade, there's nothing I can do other than point you at the man page and remind you that pinning is nontrivial.
05:53<wolfaba>jzumo: hmmm, Ok, rather change it in this OPTIONS too ... do you have lenny or etch?
05:54<FernandoLB>Hello. Lenny takes forever and then fails to initialize NFS commong utilities: statd failed! It takes about 5 minutes to complete boot. It tries to start that NFS twice. Any idea ?
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05:56<jm_>FernandoLB: does it work OK once it's booted?
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05:56<FernandoLB>I think I should have open the lo interface on iptables.
05:56<jm_>perhaps tell it to start statd with '-d' switch at boot
05:56<themill>wolfaba: btw if you're just worried about how you'll know that the new version is available, subscribe to the debian-security-announce list and you'll get an announcement to that effect. If you're looking after a number of machines (which is sounds like you are) then you probably want to be on that list anyway.
05:56<stevecotton>wolfaba: if you just want to not install one particular version, you're looking for "forbid", not "pin"
05:57<jm_>yes, it's probably trying to access localhost IP
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05:58<wolfaba>stevecotton: hey! this could be solution!!:) where I can find more info? I have this on debian etch, is it this available too?
05:58<themill>stevecotton: oh yeah... nice one. Forgot about that....
05:59<themill>wolfaba: forbid-version is a command line option to aptitude.
05:59<wolfaba>jzumo: IMHO saslauthd has changed this config options ... try to set -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd in this OPTIONS variable ...
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05:59<FernandoLB>jm_: Yes. It was that. Just had to give access to the lo interface.
06:00<wolfaba>stevecotton, themill: hmmm, option of aptitude ... and does it work for apt-get and apticron too?
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06:00<themill>wolfaba: cron-apt can be configured to use aptitude, no idea about apticron.
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06:04<wolfaba>themill: OK, I have tried to make forbid version in aptitude GUI and it works for aptitude only. OK, apticron can be solved changing to use aptitude instead of apt-get, then probably we could change nagios monitoring to use aptitude too ... OK, thank you ...
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06:04<locklace>wolfaba: a good change to make in any case
06:05<wolfaba>themill: but one more question, i am just curious - sould be able to ignore package upgrade using preferences too or not?
06:05<wolfaba>jzumo: have you changed the OPTIONS?
06:06<themill>wolfaba: yes, you should be able to ignore the upgrade of a specific version with pinning. "man 5 apt_preferences" gives an example of exactly how to do that.
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06:08<wolfaba>themill: I have read the man page, but did not found ... can you point me? There are examples for ignoring all packages from repositories, not specific package version ...
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06:09<jm_>you definitely did not read the man page then
06:10<jm_>emphasis on read
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06:11<wolfaba>jm_: hmmm I have read man page from etch ...
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06:11<jm_>wolfaba: ok, in that case I will retract my statement, I don't have it handy
06:11<Dominique>Hi! I've edited the fstab to enable non-root user to mount a device (of type ntfs). I'm unable to mount it as ntfs-3g as it returns an error Failed to open /dev/fuse: permission denied
06:12<RimFrost>hello everyone. im running Debian Lenny x64 and yesterday i added a Sid repo to my sources.list in order to install deluge and it started to update alot but now nothing is working? and when i type dpkg --configure -a in terminal it gives me: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.29-1-amd64 cpio: ./etc/udev/rules.d/libmtp8.rules: Cannot stat: File or directory doesnt exist update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.2
06:12<RimFrost>9-1-amd64 update-initramfs failed to create initrd image.Failed to create initrd image.
06:12<themill>wolfaba: "example of exactly how to do that" is perhaps a bit strong.... but there are examples of using the "version" pin.
06:12<jm_>Dominique: do you need ntfs-3g?
06:13<wolfaba>themill: yes, but this works only for installed version!:) I can paste you my source.list, policy and preferences if you want ...
06:13<Dominique>yes. that's my 500GB external HDD.
06:13<RimFrost>is there a way to fix that with the image that it fails to create???????
06:13<Dominique>i use it for backing up data.
06:13<jm_>well ntfs works for that as long as read-only access is enough
06:13<wolfaba>just give me the link for paste bin:)
06:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
06:13<Dominique>i need write permissions.
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06:14<themill>RimFrost: btw, you're no longer running lenny any more... Welcome to a fun sort of lenny/sid mix.
06:14<dpkg>hello, dominique
06:15<wolfaba>OK, here it is
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06:15<wolfaba>any idea?
06:16<wolfaba>do you need something else?
06:16<jm_>did you try mounting it using fusermount?
06:16<interbird>Dominique: Try usermod -a -G fuse youruserid
06:16<RimFrost>gosh... does it work to remove the sid packages and restore it to Lenny?
06:16<interbird>Dominique: Then relogin for that user
06:17<RimFrost>some sort of roll back the Sid updates....
06:17<wolfaba>I have to leave now, I will read answer in 30 Minutes ...
06:17<wolfaba>thank you for help
06:17<Dominique>interbird: "unknown group fuse"
06:17<jm_>fusermount has suid bit so you should be able to mount it as user
06:17<stevecotton>RimFrost: downgrading might work, might not. Sorry that you've met the nasty side of Sid so early.
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06:18<interbird>Dominique: What does dpkg --list | grep fuse say ?
06:18<RimFrost>yeah it was my bad, the Deluge team told me to add Sid repo on their page in order to install their bit torrent client.
06:18<locklace>RimFrost: important lesson: don't add sid repositories to your sources.list unless you really, really want to upgrade irreversibly to sid. ;)
06:18<Dominique>returns nothing.
06:19<interbird>Dominique: apt-get install fuse-utils
06:19<RimFrost>ill think of that. we all do rong sometimes, no one is rong-free
06:20<RimFrost>well, how can i downgrade?
06:20<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>
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06:22<RimFrost>i dont know if this would help: apt-get -t stable upgrade?
06:22<locklace>my guess, you'll either have to do a full-upgrade to sid or reinstall lenny.
06:22<stevecotton>RimFrost: the apt-listbugs package would warn you about the bug during the upgrade; worth installing if you're going to stay on Sid
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06:22<Dominique>okay. I installed fuse-utils and added my user to fuse group and relogged in. still says "failed to open /dev/fuse: permission denied"
06:22<jm_>nope, you'll need to install lenny versions by hand with dpkg - apt-show-versions might help
06:23<interbird>Dominique: What does ls -la /dev/fuse say ?
06:23<Dominique>permissions: crw-rw----
06:23<stevecotton>It would be a lot easier to get back to Squeeze (testing) than back to Lenny; but Squeeze is itself buggy...
06:24<stevecotton>ah, ignore that; that would only be if you'd fully installed Sid
06:24<Dominique>crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-05-07 15:31 /dev/fuse
06:24<interbird>Dominique: Does id yourusername | grep fuse say it is list of the fuse group ?
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06:25<interbird>What command gives the fuse access-denied error ?
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06:25<Dominique>mount /mnt/ext
06:25<stevecotton>RimFrost: to get your system back to being bootable; looks like uninstalling libmtp8 would do it, and it's probably only a music player app that depends on it.
06:26<Dominique>i've made appropriate changes to fstab
06:26<interbird>Paste the corresponding fstab line here please
06:26<Dominique>sure. a sec.
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06:27<Dominique>/dev/sdb1 /mnt/ext ntfs-3g rw,noauto,user,noexec 0 0
06:27<RimFrost>the fun thing is i cant run any commands at all...
06:27<interbird>Is /mnt/ext writeable for your user ?
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06:28<Dominique>hmm.. no.
06:28<RimFrost>it just tells me that dpkg is interrupted and i must run dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
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06:28<jm_>RimFrost: yes, you'll need to sort that first
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06:29<RimFrost>that was that who didint work
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06:29<jm_>it's probably postinst script failing, should be easy to fix if you want to get rid of the package anyway
06:29<RimFrost>it fails to to create initrd image...
06:30<Dominique>okay. i've changed the permissions for /mnt/ext . Still no difference.
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06:31<interbird>Dominique: What does ls -la /mnt/ext say ?
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06:31<stuckey>I'm having some trouble booting another install of debian I have on my computer.
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06:31<Dominique>i guess i shud be typing the '.' line..?
06:32<stuckey>On the boot menu there's eight (yes, 8) options in Grub, but I've only installed 2 version of lenny. There's only one that actually works
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06:32<stuckey>The other's start to load and then they say "check disk failed"
06:32<interbird>Dominique: No, do this ls -lad /mnt/ext
06:32<stuckey>I also have another question... is it a bad thing that my /root partition is 100% full?
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06:32<Dominique>drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 2009-05-07 15:59 /mnt/ext
06:33<interbird>Can you put your trousers in a full closet ?
06:33<stuckey>interbird: I accepted the default options in the partition thing at install... Why did it suggest only 380mb?
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06:34<interbird>Dominique: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/ext gives the denied error ?
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06:34<Dominique>mount: only root can do that
06:34<stuckey>Is anyone able to help me with this?
06:35<interbird>stuckey: I do not know how you installed what...
06:35<stuckey>I'll show you may df -h output...
06:36<interbird>Dominique: su -- -c "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/ext" gives the denied error ?
06:37<stuckey>interbird: I ran the guided partition thing and then did itmanually with what it recommended for two installs.. that is, I isntalled debian twice.
06:37<stuckey>But as I said, I've 8 different options in the grub menu, and only one of them works.
06:37<stuckey>I haven't changed anything else.
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06:37<Dominique>but it needs the root password
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06:38<Dominique>interbird: that command works fine. i'm able to use mount as root, but i wish to do it without need for root password.
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06:40<interbird>Dominique: Ok, now su -- -c "umount /mnt/ext" to unmount it
06:40<Dominique>i did
06:40<interbird>Dominique: And try fusermount
06:40<interbird>man fusermount
06:40<Dominique>permission denied
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06:40<stuckey>How big should a /root partition be?
06:41<Dominique>fuse-utils is a fresh install. do i have to configure it or something before other users can use it?
06:41<petemc>stuckey: big enough to contain all the data you would like to put in it
06:41<petemc>maybe slightly bigger
06:41<dr|z3d>stuckey: I wouldn't settle for anything less than 10GB.. really depends on how you're using the system, though.
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06:42<dr|z3d>Also depends on whether you have a separate partition for ~
06:42<interbird>Dominique: I'll see if I can replicate your problem here, give me some time, will be back in 15 min or so
06:42<stuckey>How do I make mine bigger? It's only 380mb
06:42<Dominique>thnx interbird
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06:46<locklace>stuckey: installing multiple unix operating systems on the same computer is not something you should attempt without a solid grasp of disk partioning and the boot process
06:46<locklace>stuckey: trying to do it by just "using the defaults" for everything is bound to fail
06:47<stuckey>locklace: well I have to learn some how
06:47<locklace>true; consider this a lesson. ;)
06:47<stuckey>locklace: so how do I do this?
06:47<stuckey>I want two debian lenny's... I've a 640 hd, and I want a large partition for them to share.
06:47<locklace>erase the broken install, without breaking the working install if possible, and start over.
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06:48<stuckey>locklace: start over?
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06:49<locklace>why do you even want to install two separate copies of lenny
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06:54<stuckey>locklace: one needs a tained kernel.
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06:54<stuckey>locklace: and I want stable to use also.
06:54<stuckey>locklace: I have to use nvidia drivers in one install
06:55<locklace>you want to install two copies of lenny just so you can put nvidia x drivers on one and not the other?
06:55<stuckey>locklace: exactly!
06:55<jm_>what's the point?
06:55<stuckey>The nvidia driver isn't in stable.
06:55<stuckey>If I use it, I don't have stable.
06:55<jm_>sure it is
06:55<stuckey>I want stable.
06:55<stuckey>jm_: No it isn't.
06:56<jm_>yes it is
06:56<jm_>!versions nvidia-glx
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06:56<jm_>!judd versions nvidia-glx
06:56<Dominique>i use a stable version of nvidia-glx
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06:56<jm_>judd versions nvidia-glx
06:56<judd>jm_: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 180.44-2
06:56<jm_>there, note how it says lenny
06:56<stuckey>Second point: the nvidia driver is in non-free. And I enjoy using a system without using non-free.
06:56<stuckey>judd: wrong version
06:56<judd>stuckey: Error: "wrong" is not a valid command.
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06:57<stuckey>jm_: wrong version
06:57<jm_>stuckey: it's easy to backport the "right" one
06:57<stuckey>jm_: I don't know how, and it doesn't matter... I want a system that is entirely made of a basic stable release.
06:57<jm_>stuckey: fair enough
06:58<stuckey>So what did I do wrong with my multiple install.
06:58<locklace>stuckey: installing two copies of lenny is going to give you far more headaches than installing an nvidia x driver
06:58<stuckey>locklace: okay, but do you know how to do it?
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07:00<locklace>stuckey: why don't you do one install of lenny on your computer, install the nvidia x driver on it, install kvm and load a "pure stable" copy of lenny on a vm so you can play with it
07:01<stuckey>locklace: how exactly do I do this?
07:01<locklace>very easily. many people here can help with any of those steps if you need it
07:01<stuckey>locklace: is it possible though to resize my 380mb /root partition on this install (the working one)?
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07:02<stuckey>If not I suppose I'll just need to do the whole thing over...
07:02<stuckey>Well, I suppose I got most everything right except the size of the partitions...
07:02<stuckey>Could you tell me how big each should be?
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07:02<stuckey>locklace: that's what they are now
07:02<locklace>it depends on how you want to lay out your space. you have 640gb total, right?
07:03<petemc>theres a good enough reason to put home on its own partition, but other than that i cant see any advantage in partitioning a disk up
07:03<stuckey>locklace: yeah
07:03<stuckey>petemc: keep a /var entry from filling the entire disk...
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07:03<petemc>maybe that was true 10 years ago
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07:03<jm_>yeah with 2G disks :)
07:04<stuckey>Okay so making seperate partitions is dumb?
07:04<petemc>antiquated, perhaps
07:04<jm_>well not dumb, as long as you size them properly
07:04<locklace>stuckey: ok, here's my view, others will have different ideas. create 3 primary partitions: 256mb /boot, 16gb /, and an lvm partition that uses the remainder of the space. create your swap and /home partitions lvm where you can grow and resize them easily at will.
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07:05<stuckey>locklace: and all of this can be done when installing? at the partition editor?
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07:05<locklace>stuckey: then in the future if / gets too big, you can just make a /usr in the lvm space and move the contents of /usr there. similarly you can create /usr/local space in the lvm, etc.
07:06<locklace>stuckey: all you need to do at install is make the first two partitions, you can set up the lvm afterwards
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07:07<stuckey>locklace: Okay, but where does it install /home and all of that shit?
07:07<stuckey>locklace: it all goes into / ?
07:07<locklace>stuckey: it will go on / at install, but it's empty
07:08<stuckey>locklace: so setting up /boot and / is just like settings up everything in one partition?
07:08<locklace>(installer might be clever enough to allow you to implement that lvm scheme above, but i'm not betting on it)
07:09<locklace>stuckey: it's very simple, yes. it will work just fine and then once you're installed you can get more sophisticated by setting up the lvm partition, making home space there, and mounting it under /home.
07:09<stuckey>locklace: okay so I do the install, then later I set up lvm? I don't do it during the install at the partition manage... f
07:09<jm_>you can also resize existing setup - depending on your partitions, free space ...
07:10<locklace>you can try, not sure if it's clever enough to allow you to implement that full scheme
07:10<stuckey>locklace: so I'll just go for the basic way you said.. and then do lvm later. How do I do lvm later?
07:10<locklace>sometimes the installer wants to put everything on lvm, which is not what you want, so you have to choose the "do everything manually" options and see what it will let you get away with
07:11<locklace>stuckey: one step at a time
07:11<petemc>the installer never puts boot on lvm
07:11<locklace>petemc: right but it does but / there
07:12<locklace>it also wants to make a /home that uses up 100% of the lvm space, which is also not what you want here
07:13<stuckey>So what's my next step after I finnish the install?
07:13<locklace>(again, possibly different if you choose the "do everything manually myself" installer options, not sure; if in doubt, just forget lvm at install time and only make the / and /boot primary partitions)
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07:13<stuckey>That's what I plan on doing.
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07:13<stuckey>I don't want to screw this up I've already re-done it 4 times.
07:13<jm_>stuckey: you do /join #debian and locklace: I DEMAND HELP WITH LVM NOW!
07:13<locklace>stuckey: finish it to the stated specifications, then come back and ask then, preferably after reading howtos on lvm
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07:14<stuckey>I'll go with jm_'s advice.
07:14<stuckey>Do you think it's worth it? Doing this to have a "completely" stable system? Or should I just say screw it and set up everything on one partition?
07:14<interbird>Dominique: I got a solution but it's dirty
07:15<stuckey>*and not have two lenny's, I mean.
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07:16<Dominique>let's c.
07:16<interbird>what does this do: ntfsmount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ext ?
07:17<Dominique>command not found
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07:17<interbird>apt-get install ntfsprogs
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07:19<Dominique>interbird. Took a lot of time and then...
07:19<locklace>stuckey: in the solution i just gave, you have just one "host" lenny, thereby saving your sanity. you can then install as many "guest" lennys on vms as you want
07:19<Dominique>interbird: "Volume is scheduled for check......."
07:19<stuckey>okay I'm going to do it.
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07:20<interbird>Dominique: ok, ntfsmount -o force /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ext
07:21<Dominique>interbird: warning, and dirty volume mount was forced...
07:21<Dominique>it's mounted.
07:22<interbird>Dominique: can you see the files in /mnt/ext ?
07:23<m2rt>does anyone know a good screen recorder for linux?
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07:23<Dominique>interbird: and i also got d write permission.
07:23<interbird>Dominique: ok
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07:24<interbird>Dominique: maybe if you unmount it and remount without the -o force it works, otherwise try ntfsfix /dev/sdb1 as root
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07:25<Dominique>i tried it again as non-root, and it fails.
07:25<interbird>Dominique: what does it say ?
07:27<interbird>Dominique: cp -a /etc/fuse.conf /etc/fuse.conf.backup
07:28<interbird>Dominique: edit the /etc/fuse.conf file as root and remove the # before user_allow_other
07:28<Dominique>interbird: i did.
07:28<interbird>Dominique: chmod o+r /etc/fuse.conf
07:29<Dominique>i did.
07:29<interbird>Dominique: modprobe -r fuse
07:30<interbird>Dominique: paste ls -lad /dev/sdb1 here please
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07:30<Dominique>interbird: "module fuse is in use"
07:30<interbird>Dominique: paste ls -lad /dev/sdb1 here please
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07:31<Dominique>brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 17 2009-05-07 16:54 /dev/sdb1
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07:31<interbird>Dominique: usermod -a -G floppy yourusername and relogin with that user
07:32<interbird>Dominique: then, umount fuse
07:32<interbird>Dominique: then modprobe -r fuse
07:32<Dominique>"fuse is not mounted"
07:32<interbird>Dominique: then lsmod | grep fuse should not show the fuse module
07:33<Dominique>it shows.
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07:33<Dominique>"fuse 42908 5"
07:33<interbird>Dominique: mount | grep fuse and umount the name with fuse in it
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07:34<enouf>m2rt: you mean stuff like xvidcap, recordmyDesktop, scrot ?
07:35<Dominique>mount | grep fuse shows two lines /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb1
07:35<Dominique>i tried umount /dev/sdb1 fuse
07:35<interbird>Dominique: umount /dev/sdb1
07:35<Dominique>it returned "/dev/sdb1: not mounted" "fuse not found"
07:35<interbird>modprobe -r fuse
07:36<Dominique>"Module fuse is not in use"
07:36<interbird>lsmod | grep fuse is empty ?
07:36<m2rt>enouf yeah
07:36<Dominique>it's not empty
07:36<enouf>m2rt: ok .. well i don't know :-p
07:36<interbird>mount | grep fuse still shows a line ?
07:37<m2rt>hehe, I only knew Istanbul. But it sucks...
07:37<Dominique>yes. only one, /dev/sda3
07:37<interbird>umount it
07:37<Dominique>which is my windows partition.
07:37<interbird>umount /dev/sda3
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07:38<Dominique>i did.
07:38<interbird>modprobe -r fuse
07:38<Dominique>Fatal: Module fuse is in use
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07:38<wuseldusel>hi, a phonon gstreamer backend reports "A required codec is missing. You need to install the following codec(s) to play this content: MPEG-4 AAC" -> how do i find out what package i have to install?
07:38<interbird>did you change the /etc/fuse.conf file by enableing the user_allow_other option ?
07:38<Dominique>yes. i did
07:39<enouf>wuseldusel: /msg dpkg dmm
07:39<interbird>hmmm, why is the fuse module still in use...
07:39<Dominique>mount | grep fuse returns...:
07:39<enouf>apt-get update ; apt-cache search mp4 aac
07:39<Dominique>fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
07:39<interbird>umount fusectl
07:39<interbird>modprobe -r fuse
07:40<Dominique>k. now it returns nothing
07:40<interbird>modprobe fuse
07:40<interbird>now try ntfsmount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ext as your username
07:41<interbird>or ntfsmount -o force /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ext if it complains
07:42<Dominique>used the force option.
07:42<Dominique>returns a warning.
07:42<interbird>but it mounts ?
07:42<Dominique>"......ntfsmount is not set-uid-root....."
07:43<interbird>chmod o+x /usr/bin/ntfsmount
07:43<interbird>(dirty stuff !)
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07:44<enouf>chmod 4755 `which ntfsmount`
07:44<leoplanet>Drupal vs Joomla on a ubuntu server any advice???
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07:45<adb>ask #ubuntu
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07:45<dominique_>sry. Internet was disconnected.
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07:46<dominique_>interbird: i tried mounting and there was a warning and error
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07:47<dominique_>"warning: /dev/sdb1 is block device, but you are not root and ntfsmount is not set-uid-root, so using 'blkdev' option is not possible"
07:47<interbird>dominique_: did you chmod 4744 $(which ntfsmount) ?
07:47<interbird>dominique_: did you chmod 4755 $(which ntfsmount) ?
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07:47<leoplanet>whey Debain not ubuntu???
07:48<leoplanet>whey = why
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07:48<dominique_>i did chmod now.
07:48<enouf>!why debian
07:48<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
07:48<interbird>dominique_: ntfsmount -o force /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ext
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07:48<interbird>(as a yourusername)
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07:49<dominique_>got that.
07:50<interbird>works now ?
07:50<leoplanet>I heard on a linux podcast that new Debian has some blurb in the source code which is kind of a backflip from the core debian principles???
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07:50<dominique_>now for the question. "What the heck did i do?" i mean, what should i be looking for if I want to set this up in another pc?
07:51<interbird>note that this is a dirty solution, better would be to use sudo only for ntfsmount but this requires you to setup sudo for just the ntfmount command
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07:51<interbird>dominique_: we added the username to the groups specified in /dev/fuse (fuse) and /dev/sdb1 (floppy)
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07:52<interbird>dominique_: then we enabled user_allow_other in /etc/fuse.conf and made /etc/fuse/conf readable by regular users
07:52<interbird>dominique_: then we made /usr/bin/ntfsmount executable by regular users
07:52<dominique_>then used the ntfsmount command.
07:53<interbird>dominique_: tols you it is a dirty hack :-)
07:53<dominique_>i dun quite remember hw we made ntfsmount x by reg user.
07:53<dominique_>i guess the chmod command.
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07:53<leoplanet> a backflip from the core debian principles???
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07:53<interbird>the chmod 4755 $(which ...) command...
07:54<wolfaba>is there a history of this debian channel?
07:54<interbird>yes, on my machine :-)
07:54<adb>mine too ;)
07:55<interbird>and on the internet...
07:55<wolfaba>hehe;) where on the internet? my comp has been disconnected ...
07:55<dominique_>interbird: now u said this is a dirty hack, and that another easy way is to configure use of sudo command
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07:56<dominique_>interbird: but isn't there a way to make the "/dev/fuse: permission denied" error go
07:56<interbird>dominique_: the other 'easy' way is to configure sudo for just ntfsmount, remember the link i sent you (debianadmin)
07:56<dominique_>it appears when i use the regular mount command
07:57<interbird>ls -la /dev/fuse is owned by group fuse of which your username is now a member, likewise for the floppy group on /dev/sdb1
07:58<interbird>mount is still only executable by root but now ntfsmount can be used as a regular user that is a member of fuse and floppy
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07:59<corge>morning all
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08:00<igor2__>i have a problem with dh_shlibdeps: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for
08:00<dominique_>but still. I worked for quite a while for the 'mount' command and 'fstab' method. only dev with ntfs-3g fail there.
08:00<igor2__>(and then comes a library name)
08:00<dominique_>so isn't there a workaround for using the same mount command?
08:00<igor2__>i installed this library from a .deb package i created
08:00<corge>igor, paste the output to
08:01<corge>then give me the url it creates
08:01<igor2__>is it a "file not found" message or the library is missing some property?
08:01<igor2__>>corge> no more output :)
08:01<wolfaba>I have asked about forbidding package upgrade only for one version - I mean, I have package in version 1.0 and there is a upgrade to version 1.1, but I don't want to install version 1.1 and I will wait to version 1.2 - I need to ignore this version 1.1, that apt-get and aptitude does not show upgrade (apticron should send no info about new version and our nagios uses apt-get to find new version, so apt-get should not report upgrade too)
08:01<corge>it doesn't show anything on your screen
08:01<igor2__>(i guess the name of the library doesn't matter, it's a proprioetary 3rd shit, probably confidental)
08:01<interbird>dominique_: you mean you used mount as a regular user on a device which mount-parameters are in fstab ?
08:01<wolfaba>I have copied our config to if someone can check pin priorities ...
08:01<igor2__>the next thing ti says: dh_shlibdeps: dpkg-shlibdeps returned exit code 2
08:02<igor2__>then it exits
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08:02<corge>have you tried updating dpkg
08:02<dominique_>it fails for ntfs-3g only.
08:03<interbird>dominique_: for what line in fstab does it succeed ?
08:03<igor2__>>corge> moment, i try
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08:03<dominique_>it succeeds for the same device in ntfs or auto file type
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08:03<dominique_>and my other pen drives.
08:04<Anonissimus>I just got my virtual host and it's running sarge, what's the easiest way to fully upgrade it to lenny?
08:04<tex_>Why are there no virtualization-aware kernels in unstable anymore (openvz and or xen)?
08:05<corge>anon: aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade
08:05<igor2__>>corge> upgraded the whole system (debian testing), the same thing happens
08:05<igor2__>i couldn't find a way in the manual to make shlibdeps more verbose
08:05<dominique_>interbird, it succeeds for the same device in ntfs or auto file type and my pen drives
08:05<igor2__>i unfortunately have only binaries for this libs
08:05<corge>anon: then Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "sarge" to "etch". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade.
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08:06<igor2__>and i would not be surprised if the libs were broken in some ways
08:06<interbird>dominique_: can you paste such a fstab line here ?
08:06<corge>quite poossibly igor
08:06<igor2__>but it would be at least nice to know how exactly they are broken, if they are
08:06<petemc>tex_: they come and go, such is unstable
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08:06<igor2__>so do you have an idea what i should look for?
08:06<igor2__>ldd, objdump -x looked good
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08:06<corge>what about trying to remove dpkg and reinstalling it igor
08:07<igor2__>this is a rather fresh system
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08:07<dominique_># /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ext ntfs rw,noauto,user,noexec 0 0
08:07<igor2__>but i could try it
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08:07<igor2__>(it's a vserver i created 2 days ago exactly for this building debian packages purpose)
08:07<dominique_>/dev/sdb1 /mnt/ext ntfs rw,noauto,user,noexec 0 0
08:08<interbird>dominique_: and then you can mount /mnt/ext as a regular user ?
08:08<corge>igor: are you trying to install something from a deb package or making your own and you need to know what dependencies, so thats why you're running dh_shlibdeps
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08:08<igor2__>reinstalled dpkg-dev, same thing happens
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08:08<igor2__>i am trying to make my own deb packages
08:08<igor2__>it usually goes smooth
08:08<dominique_>interbird: i only use the command "mount HDD"
08:08<igor2__>this time i did not get source for all the components
08:09<igor2__>so i have a package where i have .so files, binary-only
08:09<dominique_>interbird "alias mount HDD='mount /mnt/ext'"
08:09<igor2__>i made a debian package from this, then installed
08:09<corge>what version of dpkg-dev are you running?
08:09<igor2__>then i wanted to go on with the rest of the system (the ones with source) and there i wanted to use shlibdeps
08:09<igor2__> 1.14.26
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08:10<texvol>hi to all
08:10<corge>the .so binary is your own file?
08:10<texvol>I have a problem configuring my second network card and I dont know what can it be
08:10<interbird>dominique_: hmmm, works for me too, let's me see...
08:10<texvol>check this link
08:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 404] by debhelper
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08:11<petemc>texvol: do you see the card with ifconfig -a ?
08:11<igor2__>>corge> this is a proprietary i got only in binary format; i made a .deb packge of these .so files and installed that package on the system
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08:11<dominique_>interbird: it only fails for ntfs-3g file types
08:11<corge>what library is the .so file looking for, that's what you're missing
08:11<texvol>but has only MAC adres
08:12<petemc>texvol: and if you try to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces then ifup eth1 (or whatever), what happends?
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08:12<corge>nm, probably not giving you the library
08:12<texvol>I get this error
08:12<texvol>Don't seem to be have all the variables for eth1/inet.
08:12<texvol>Failed to bring up eth1.
08:13<texvol>for ifup eth1 command
08:13<igor2__>>corge> sorry, i can't follow you :)
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08:13<igor2__>the software works if i install it by hand
08:14<petemc>texvol: pastebin your entry for it and the errors you get when you bring it up
08:14<texvol>which command?
08:14<corge>is the rpath set manually igor?
08:14<interbird>dominique_: maybe the options are different between ntfs and ntfs-3g, i get this link for more info:
08:14<petemc>texvol: the entry you have in /etc/network/interfaces
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08:16<texvol>it is quite big ...shall I paste here?
08:16<petemc>no, use a pastebin
08:16<texvol>how to do it?
08:17<petemc>you know how to cut and paste?
08:17<enouf>!pastebin pipe
08:17<texvol>yes but how to use pastebin
08:17<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to pipe to "nc 1234".
08:17<igor2__>>corge> how can i check if rpath was set manually?
08:17<interbird>dominique_: chmod 4755 $(which ntfs-3g) solves it for me
08:17<enouf>btw - that nc is broken .. again
08:18<interbird>dominique_: then mount on a ntfs-3g device defined in fstab is usable as a regular user
08:18<enouf>some nice person with a .fi domain seemed to be trying to maintain it ...
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08:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
08:19<gsimmons>texvol: Did you correct the spelling of "address", as indicated in the reply to your forum post?
08:19<jm_>enouf: just use pastebinit
08:19<enouf>jm_: right
08:19<corge>igor, the rpath is in the's set to where the libraries should be....i'm guessing if all you have is the binary, you can't see the rpath
08:19<corge>so that's a dead end
08:19<enouf>judd: versions pastebinit
08:19<judd>enouf: pastebinit -- sid: 0.10-1 lenny: 0.10-2 sid: 0.10-2 experimental: 0.11-1 sid: 0.11-2 squeeze: 0.11-2
08:20<texvol>yes I have changed something but not more
08:20<igor2__>>corge> ok, then no; i modified and ran ldconfig
08:20<igor2__>i am sure the library is found, because the error message contains the full path to the library
08:20<corge>so you should have everything up to date then
08:21<igor2__>yes, ldd find it on the executable as well
08:21<Anonissimus>what should be in a stnadard list of repositories?
08:21<dominique_>thnx interbird... that solves the problem.
08:21<Anonissimus>cause the defualt install seems to have Fed up
08:21<texvol>this is pastebin cut
08:21<igor2__>i suspect the library format may not be good enough for shlibdeps, but i have no idea what could be missing
08:21<corge>and you're sure you have all of the library paths correct in
08:21<jm_>corge: you can see rpath using elftools
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08:22<gsimmons>texvol: Line 22 still has the spelling error. Correct it.
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08:23<texvol>I did and I have now this error
08:23<texvol>Reconfiguring network interfaces...if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: waiting for interface eth1 before doing NFS mounts (warning).
08:23<corge>igor: as jm_ said, you might try using elftools to get the path the binary is looking at and make sure that is in your file, then ldconfig again
08:23<texvol>it is a warning more
08:24<texvol>it is working
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08:24<texvol>thx man
08:25<zhxk>hello, does linux has any ghost tools?
08:25<texvol>you are THE MAN... I working for 2 days with it...and I has WRONG in typing
08:25<interbird>dominique_: this keeps working after undoing the dirty stuff to /etc/fuse.conf so you can cp -a /etc/fuse.conf.backup /etc/fuse.conf to reset our changes
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08:26<interbird>dominique_: you can also chmod o-x /usr/bin/ntfsmount to make it non-executable by regular users again
08:26<Anonissimus>could anyone pastebin their /etc/apt/sources.list.
08:26<interbird>Dominique: this keeps working after undoing the dirty stuff to /etc/fuse.conf so you can cp -a /etc/fuse.conf.backup /etc/fuse.conf to reset our changes
08:26<interbird>Doninique: you can also chmod o-x /usr/bin/ntfsmount to make it non-executable by regular users again
08:27<jm_>zhxk: yes
08:27<Dominique>thnx interbird.
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08:27<interbird>you're welcome
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08:28<Dominique>i guess i can remove ntfsmount now?
08:28<igor2__>ok, trying elftools
08:28<Dominique>interbird: i guess i can remove ntfsmount now?
08:28<Anonissimus>ty :)
08:29<igor2__>anyway, why do i need rpath if all libraries are accessible on the path? (
08:29<interbird>Dominique: like it is part of ntfsprogs, you can apt-get remove ntfsprogs if you don't want them to be available
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08:30<Dominique>thnx man.
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08:31<igor2__>hmm, can't find elftools
08:31<Dominique>now I want to have the latest debian installation dvd image on my HDD. I heard the best way of downloading that is using jigdo. does it update my image file automatically?
08:31<ml|>pastebinit is nice, but needs a bug fix
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08:32<interbird>igor2__: elfutils
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08:32<valdyn>Dominique: jigdo can use an existing dvd or whatever to generate an up to date one
08:32<wolfaba>I have asked about forbidding package upgrade only for one version - I mean, I have package in version 1.0 and there is a upgrade to version 1.1, but I don't want to install version 1.1 and I will wait to version 1.2 - I need to ignore this version 1.1, that apt-get and aptitude does not show upgrade (apticron should send no info about new version and our nagios uses apt-get to find new version, so apt-get should not report upgrade too). Anyone can help me?
08:32<wolfaba>I have copied our config to if someone can check pin priorities ...
08:33<Dominique>does it make the updates automatically?
08:33<igor2__>hmm, elfutils has only /usr/share/doc files :)
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08:34<locklace>wolfaba: thought we agreed that you're going to switch to aptitude and use aptitude forbid-version
08:34<interbird>igor2__: elfrc and elfsign ?
08:35<valdyn>wolfaba: its trying to install the same version that you pinned, whats the problem?
08:35<Dominique>will jigdo update my sarge image to lenny?
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08:36<igor2__>>interbird> ran dpkg -S on elfutils and it has only /usr/share/doc files :)
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08:36<interbird>igor2__: what are you looking for / want to do ?
08:36<igor2__>guys suggested i should check rpath settings in an .so file
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08:37<igor2__>the longer story involves why shlibdeps fail :)
08:37<jm_>igor2__: sorry I missed the start, what exactly is your problem?
08:37<ml|>locklace: any more apt problems today so far?
08:37<interbird>igor2__: dpkg -L elfutils
08:37<jm_>igor2__: dpkg-shlibdeps?
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08:38<igor2__>oops, mixed -S and -L, sorry :>
08:38<igor2__>ok, so the problem again:
08:38<igor2__>i have a, only available in binary format
08:39<igor2__>i made a package of this (and other so files) and installed it on my system
08:39<locklace>ml|: not yet, some other guy did straggle in last night, but he caught it in time
08:39<igor2__>then i wanted to make a package of an application that links against this
08:39<ml|>why isn't everyone using aptitude to begin with?
08:39<ml|>locklace: good for him ;)
08:39<igor2__>the lib can be found by the dynamic loader, ldd on the application binary shows it with full path
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08:39<igor2__>but dh_shlibdeps throws the following error message
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08:40<igor2__>dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /full/paht/to/
08:40<jm_>dpkg-shlibdeps needs file in /var/libs/dpkg/info to work
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08:41<igor2__>checking that dir
08:41<jm_>files even
08:41<igor2__>cool :)
08:41<igor2__>how do i refresh this directory?
08:41<igor2__>or do i need to manually create a file for each of my libs?
08:42<jm_>refresh in which way?
08:42<igor2__>well, to have the files for my libs there
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08:42<natanael>hello when i start my system i get an fatal error that modprobe couldn't find "/lib/modules/"
08:42<igor2__>this is the first time i meet this mechanism :)
08:42<jm_>you need to create a library package, and it will be there
08:42<natanael>but when i look in my filesystem i can find the file
08:42<igor2__>i did create a debian package
08:42<natanael>i think it is missing in the initramfs
08:43<igor2__>good, it even has the .list file there
08:43<jm_>for the lib? then you didn't create it the way it should be created
08:43<igor2__>and it lists
08:43<igor2__>yes, that can be
08:43<natanael>i generated it with make-kpkg --initrd
08:43<igor2__>how should i create it compared to "normal" debian packages?
08:43<igor2__>is there some special thing i need to do for .so files?
08:43<jm_>natanael: do you actually have any problems because of it?
08:43<jm_>devel docs have chapters for libs IIRC
08:44<natanael>jm_: no
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08:44<natanael>but it is a fatel error
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08:45<igor2__>this one, right?
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08:45<jm_>yes, this one is more detailed
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08:46<interbird>natanael: you could use mkinitramfs -o /newinitramfs to generate a new one and then copy and rename it to /boot
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08:47<Anonissimus>ok great the updat/upgrade went smooth but now I get this:
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08:48<natanael>interbird: there is also mkinitramfs-kpkg what is this for?
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08:49<locklace>Anonissimus: what kernel version are you using now
08:49<wolfaba>locklace: yes, it's one possibility. But better would be if it can be solved using preferences ...
08:49*igor2__ bashes his head
08:50<Anonissimus>2.4.31 to be precise
08:50<locklace>wolfaba: my view, the aptitude option is better.
08:50<jm_>you're using 2.4 kernel?
08:50<wolfaba>locklace: and if I understand, themill expected configs and outputs to say something ...
08:50<locklace>Anonissimus: please upgrade your kernel to 2.6
08:50<Anonissimus>yeah it's a virtual server I just got
08:51<Anonissimus>it came with sarge and the 2.4 kernel
08:51<locklace>Anonissimus: aptitude install linux-image-2.6
08:51<Anonissimus>been trying to get it up to date now
08:51<jm_>Anonissimus: you can't go directly from sarge to lenny
08:51<interbird>natanael: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs-kpkg exists for compatibility by kernel-package(5) calls.
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08:51<natanael>ah ok
08:52<locklace>Anonissimus: oh, heh. you're supposed to sarge->etch->lenny
08:52<wolfaba>locklace: end then we have talked about man apt_preferences, that there are examples, jm_ said that, but I did not found this example ...
08:52<locklace>wolfaba: as i said, my view is, go with aptitude. if you refuse to do that, then good luck
08:52<wolfaba>locklace: I would like to hear clear if this is possible with preferences or not ... I think many people think it is possible but IMHO it is not possible (I do not know if this is a bug or feature) ...
08:53<natanael>thankyou, have to reeboot now and have to go
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08:53<Anonissimus>so sarge to lenny is a nogo ... thnx
08:53<themill>wolfaba: I *think* you need to pin the current version to > 1000 not the future version to -1. Have I mentioned that pinning is far more limited (and complicated) than most people think?
08:54<themill>wolfaba: note that this still doesn't actually achieve what you want... it's the same as "hold".
08:54<wolfaba>valdyn: it is now installed version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24 and there is upgrade to version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch2 and I want ignore (skip) this upgrade to 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24etch2.
08:55<themill>do I want to know why?
08:55<wolfaba>themill: yes, the pinning current version to 1001 works, it will not install newer version, but it blocks *all* newer versions, but I would like to skip only *this* version and let upgrade the future versions ...
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08:56<wolfaba>themill: maybe ignoring one version upgrade is not possible using preferences, but AFAIR, none said that clear ...
08:56<themill>There's probably a reason someone wrote forbid-version for aptitude...
08:57<Anonissimus>locklace: ok restored it to backup it's a 3.1 (sarge) and 2.4.31 I update the kernel first?
08:57<corge>anon: i told you earlier to go from sarge to etch, then etch to lenny
08:57<Anonissimus>corge: ok but kernel first or not?
08:58<Anonissimus>my bad for overlooking that
08:58<corge>anon: do this first in sarge
08:58<corge>aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade
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08:58<corge>make sure it's all up to date
08:59<corge>then, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "sarge" to "etch". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade.
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08:59<igor2__>yeeeees! :)
08:59<igor2__>now it went further
08:59<corge>igor: you got it?
08:59<igor2__>corge, jm_, interbird thank you for the support
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08:59<wolfaba>themill: on my desktop I have gentoo - there I can write exact package version, which will I ignore
08:59<igor2__>my lib package was borken
08:59<igor2__>i didn't add dh_makeshlibs
09:00<corge>huzzah!! good deal that you have it working
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09:00<wolfaba>themill: OK:) thank you:)
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09:00<themill>wolfaba: aptitude can do this too... Remember you're the one choosing not to use the tools that are available.
09:00<enouf>we all knew it was something you did incorrectly igor2__ ;-)
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09:00<igor2__>now i only got 10 megabytes of warning because the software i am trying to package is a big heap of... ;)
09:01<igor2__>>enouf> i knew it too
09:01<kins>any one knows to install skype in lenny amd64
09:01<igor2__>usually that's very easy to find out i am doing it wrong, just not what exactly i am doing wrong :)
09:01<Anonissimus>corge: I'm getting 404 on
09:01<kins>prob is skype is 32 bit
09:01<tetrimino>anyone know how to surf anonymous and hide your ip on irc?
09:02<Maulkin>Use tor
09:02<dpkg>The Onion Router - a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see or not allowed on #debian (freenode), see, or not in Etch, see, or #tor @
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09:02<dr|z3d>tetrimino: We're waiting for you in #tor :)
09:02<corge>The .deb package of Skype won't install as it is only built for 32bit machines so grab the statically compiled .tar.bz2. Unpack that somewhere sensible, I use /var/local/<my account> as a play area, and simply run the skype application.
09:03<tetrimino>hehe thanks
09:03<kins>where do u get that
09:03<locklace>enouf: mibbit doesn't do that
09:03<ml|>yes mibbit dose not hide anything
09:04<enouf>but some networks, you can also just ask the staff for a hostmask
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09:04<ml|>right a cloak
09:04<gsimmons>corge: Uh, Etch's aptitude version doesn't understand the safe-upgrade and full-upgrade actions.
09:05<enouf>to 'surf anonymously' though, you'll probably want some .cn proxies :-P
09:05<corge>then just do dist-upgrade
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09:05<corge>kins, try google: or go here,
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09:06<corge>you might have to use backports
09:06<corge>it's a goofy work around to get it working in 64-bit, not hard, just goofy
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09:09<kins>i have 1 more prob how do i remove existing doesnt show in synaptic
09:10<dr|z3d>kins: Look under local/obsolete..
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09:10<ml|>anybody here using dzen2?
09:10<kins>ok i did it using dpkg -r skype thatu
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09:10<kins>thank u
09:11<Anonissimus>corge: updating to etch at 70%
09:12<ml|>to get a cloak here you must have a good reason
09:12<dr|z3d>To get a cloak here, use Tor.
09:13<ml|>or tor hehe
09:13<teratoma>i am in witness protection program
09:13<dr|z3d>teratoma: Then you probably want to look at Tor.
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09:13<enouf>some networks ban all tor
09:13<dr|z3d>Some do, this one doesn't. :)
09:13<teratoma>is hard life
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09:13<ml|>freenode is one of them i believe
09:14<enouf>right, iinm
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09:14<dr|z3d>Freenode allows access to Tor via a Tor hidden service, or with a gpg key.
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09:14<dr|z3d>*access to Freenode
09:14<ml|>but in freenode just for a claok and you get one
09:14<jm_>yeah someone in witness protection program should definitely announce that in a public channel
09:15<ranix>sounds like nothing could possibly go wrong
09:15<corge>jm_: you noticed that too?
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09:15<ml|>we al did i think ;)
09:16<teratoma>can hide from russian mafia and run free software at same time
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09:16<Anonissimus>teratoma: where did you live again
09:16<corge>in soviet russia, the software runs you
09:16<Anonissimus>in what street?
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09:18<christoph>hi all! is there any great doc helping me figure out how to reenable the EmulateWheel option for my trackpoint setup on unstable's HAL enabled Xorg?
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09:19<jm_>christoph: you can switch input stuff back to the old style, otherwise check the blog of that brice feller, let me see
09:19<jm_>christoph: -- third post
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09:20<jm_>AutoAddDevices off puts it in old mode
09:21<christoph>jm_, well I migrated my keyboard aready so I'll probably keep it but had an workaround for the trackpoint which strangely stoped to work today :)
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09:30<ws08>can any one please let me know, how to enable remote access for mysql
09:31<ws08>when i say bind_address= ip my mysql never restarts
09:31<patrikf>ws08: use the "any" address (for IPv4:
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09:31<kins>hey could u tell me standard way of using the static file
09:32<ml|>09:31:27 < patrikf> ws08: use the "any" address (for IPv4:
09:32<patrikf>kins: the static file?
09:32<christoph>hm to load the new fdi thing I will need to restart X?
09:32<kins>oh static file for skype
09:33<patrikf>christoph: you need to restart hal and X
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09:33<christoph>ok let's see what I've messed up
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09:37<Anonissimus>corge: lots of dependency issues now
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09:37<corge>i imagine
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09:42<corge>are you getting them resolved?
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09:45<kins>could any one help me with changing icon of an application launcher
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09:51<corge>so try installing those dependencies
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09:53<Anonissimus>is what I get on installing anything
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09:54<corge>so did you add etch to your sources and then apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6
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09:55<corge>what kernel are you at
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09:56<interbird>kins: gnome,kde,xfce ?
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09:58<locklace>Anonissimus: don't have you a 2.6 kernel installed yet? you should have got one with etch
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09:58<locklace>Anonissimus: if it was installed, you'll have to reboot to use it
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10:02<Anonissimus>great it won't even reboot by default
10:02<Anonissimus>initclt times out
10:02<petemc>presumably you're paying someone for this vm ?
10:03<Anonissimus>petemc: for the price I'm paying you can't call it paying
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10:04<Anonissimus>ok even after a reboot it's 2.4
10:04<petemc>do you know what kind of virtualization it is?
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10:04<Anonissimus>nope, no clue
10:04<petemc>you may be limited in what you can do
10:05<Anonissimus>yeah it seems like that
10:05<Anonissimus>well I didn't get any errors now
10:05<interbird>Anoissimus: can you pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst please
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10:06<Anonissimus>not existing
10:06<Anonissimus>there is /boot/
10:06<Anonissimus>witch has initrd.img-2.6.18-6-vserver-686
10:06<Anonissimus>config-2.6.18-6-vserver-686 vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-vserver-686
10:07<interbird>but no /boot/grub dir ?
10:07<christoph>patrikf, jm_ thanks :) much better now :)
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10:07<petemc>Anonissimus: so i t appears you're using vserver
10:07*christoph messed up the config on the first try but it's ok now :)
10:08<petemc>Anonissimus: no kernel upgrades for you
10:09<Anonissimus>but mooom, I need that, all the cool kids have the newest kernel
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10:12<interbird>Anonissimus: are you using Xen ?
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10:13<Anonissimus>interbird: I wouldn't know
10:13<Anonissimus>it's not my host
10:13<Anonissimus>It'd be running 2.6 if it were
10:13<interbird>Anonissimus: what does uname -a say on that host ?
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10:14<Anonissimus>Linux vs61 2.4.31 #2 Thu Jun 23 00:11:15 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
10:15<interbird>Anonissimus: ok, i did not follow complete story, what do you want to accomplish ?
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10:15<Anonissimus>I want it up to date in the first place
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10:15<Anonissimus>cause I had an intrusion last week
10:15<Anonissimus>so I reinstalled from scratch
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10:16<interbird>Anonissimus: You reinstalled a system with a 2.4 kernel ?
10:16<Anonissimus>interbird: no so I used the restore function my virtual server has
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10:17<Anonissimus>so I got it back at 3.1 with a 2.4 kernel
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10:18<interbird>Anonissimus: Ahh, ok. But then I do not understand your /boot listing with only 2.6 vserver; that seems to be the host system, not the guest
10:18<interbird>Anonissimus: What does ls /boot say on the host where you did uname -a ?
10:19<Anonissimus>vs61:/boot# ls
10:19<Anonissimus> initrd.img-2.6.18-6-vserver-686
10:19<Anonissimus>config-2.6.18-6-vserver-686 vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-vserver-686
10:19<Anonissimus>vs61:/boot# uname -a
10:19<Anonissimus>Linux vs61 2.4.31 #2 Thu Jun 23 00:11:15 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
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10:19<Anonissimus>right ... :)
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10:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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10:19<interbird>Anonissimus: And what does ls -la /vmlinux say on that host ?
10:21<Anonissimus>ls: /vmlinux: No such file or directory
10:22<interbird>Anonissimus: can you pastebin the output from mount -l and fdisk -l on that system ?
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10:23<Anonissimus>/dev/hdv1 on / type ext3 (defaults)
10:23<interbird>Anonissimus: and also the /etc/fstab please
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10:23<Anonissimus>fdisk -l doesn't report a thing
10:23<Anonissimus>vs61:/# cat /etc/fstab
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10:26<interbird>Anonissimus: I looks like your virtual system boots from a virtual hdimage and that the kernel is provided in a way that you cannot access remotely
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10:26<Anonissimus>it looks like that yeah
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10:26<interbird>Anonissimus: Contact your vserver provider ?
10:26<eeeuser>Hello, I have a question: Where do you put/register .dtd files in order for them to be found automagically?
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10:27<lex>IDENTIFY lex4051
10:27<Anonissimus>interbird: won't help I asked something basic before ...
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10:27<Anonissimus>lex ....
10:27<lord_rob>Hi ! Isn't it possible to modify the size the debian installer calculates for a given partition before starting the installation ? I don't see how :/
10:28<Guest1136>Hi! Can anybody help me with preview sound files in nautilus? (Debian Lenny)
10:28<lord_rob>(In guided partitioning mode)
10:29<Anonissimus>ok second part of the restoration: How do I ban a certain IP from connecting after 3 failed ssh logins?
10:30<petemc>denyhosts or fail2ban
10:30<petemc>or make your own script to scan the logs
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10:32<bja>Anonissimus: "/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -i eth0 -s --dport 22 -m recent --name badguy --hitcount 5 --rcheck --seconds 3600 -j DROP " can do the trick man iptables will give you more on it
10:32<eeeuser>Anonissimus: Use SSH-keys to prevent unauthorised logins attempts. A better solution to SSH log parsing
10:32<eeeuser>*solution to = solution than
10:32<Anonissimus>eeeuser: yeah but then I need to have my key with me at all times
10:33<eeeuser>True. Easy if you use only a few machines.
10:33<eeeuser>or keep a USB key handy. Depends how paranoid you are.
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10:33<bja>eeeuser: The difference is that some users need to access ssh from various computers and you can not tell them to carry along their tiny usb.
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10:33<Bunnyh>How quickly could someone decipher a passphrased key from a USB drive?
10:34<Bunnyh>At least I wouldn't use one without a passphrase
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10:34<eeeuser>Depends on the quality of the passphrase. I believe you can enforce quality with libpam, though I have never done it.
10:34<lex4051>Hi! Can anybody help me with preview sound files in nautilus
10:34<Bunnyh>A good passphrase, and changing the key often seem enough to me, but I'm not truly paranoid yet :)
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10:35<Anonissimus>I'll just carry it undr my scin in an rfid chip
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10:35<Anonissimus>and combine it with an iris scan
10:35<interbird>lex4051: Maybe
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10:36<eeeuser>Anonissimus: Again, it depends on your needs. If the SSH is for one admin only, and you use few machines. its better. And biometrics are terrible.
10:39<bja>Anonissimus: Did you look at my last post to you
10:39<Anonissimus>yeah I'm tryin to decipher it
10:39<Anonissimus>I had one class on iptables
10:40<Anonissimus>oh fine
10:41<Anonissimus>iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root)
10:41<Anonissimus>Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
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10:41<bja>Anonissimus: this line will also be useful to you "/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -i eth0 -s --dport 22 -m recent --name badguy --hitcount 5 --rcheck --seconds 3600 -j DROP "
10:42<bja>sorry wrong one
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10:42<bja>Anonissimus: Here it goes "/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p TCP -i eth0 -s --dport 22 -m recent --name badguy --set -j ACCEPT"
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10:43<Chupeta>oiii batata
10:43<Batata>alguem ai?
10:43<Chupeta>qui gay
10:43<Batata>meio boketa esse messenger mais quebra um galho..
10:44<Chupeta>qm eh esse otro ?
10:44<bja>Anonissimus: Check man iptables then search for "recent" and there is your solution. je je je
10:44<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:44<Anonissimus>fazz favor
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10:44<Batata>largo oq?
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10:45<Chupeta>qm ehh o pessoal aii
10:45<Chupeta>falem OI + (nome)
10:45<kurumin_>ae gente
10:45<Batata>batata é eu
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10:45<Batata>oi batata
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10:46<Veruska>Oii gatos
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10:47<Anonissimus>any suggestions on how to solve this:
10:47<Anonissimus>The system is going down for reboot NOW!
10:47<Anonissimus>shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl
10:47<Anonissimus>init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl
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10:48<locklace>Anonissimus: reboot -f
10:49<cmot>Anonissimus, is this always or just now?
10:49<bja>Anonissimus: the usual "shutdown -h now " will not work?
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10:51<locklace>Anonissimus: you could try "echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger"
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10:51<Anonissimus>no /proc/sysrq-trigger
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10:51<Anonissimus>and shutdown -h won't reboot the box ... since I have only ssh acees that would make it a support ticket
10:52<petemc>why would shutdown -h reboot it?
10:52<locklace>you're screwed then
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10:52<Anonissimus>shutdown h would not reboot it
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10:52<Anonissimus>and it's a virtual host only reachable by ssh
10:52<locklace>if reboot -f fails, something is badly wrong
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10:52<bja>Anonissimus: its suppose to shut it down
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10:53<Anonissimus>shutdown -h now also returned that error
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10:53<bja>Anonissimus: locklace line will create that file, give it a try at least
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10:53<petemc>you're using a very limited, old vserver vm, live with it or use something else
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10:54<locklace>the -f option is what's needed, it avoids any interaction with init
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10:55<bja>locklace: man reboot -f only states that the reboot will be forced?
10:55<locklace>Anonissimus: how about "kill -9 1"
10:56<Anonissimus>does nothing
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10:58<bja>Anonissimus: What kernel do you have running there?
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11:00<Anonissimus>yeah mock me :)
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11:00<bja>Anonissimus: Thought so
11:00<Anonissimus>the virtualisation won't let me change it
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11:01<bja>Anonissimus: Can't help you there, I had that trouble and after freezing the machine, I just pulled the plug. Long time Ago. jeje
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11:01<djc>shutdown -h halts a machine. in general, to reboot shutdown -r is the way to go
11:02<locklace>you don't have control over the disk partitioning and bootloader?
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11:02<Anonissimus>not even on the hostname
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11:02*djc scrolls back to catch the beginning of this
11:03<djc>i see I didnt miss much
11:03<patrikf>Anonissimus: did you try reboot -f?
11:03<Anonissimus>yeah I treid that
11:03<djc>-r as an option to shutdown reboots "-r" is reboot
11:03<djc>you just cant get your (virtual) machine to reboot is the main problem?
11:03<patrikf>djc: it's a vserver
11:04<ed_debian>-f just skips fsck disk checking on reboot
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11:04<djc>vserver or not, shutdown -r should cause it to do a shutdown, and then call a reboot
11:04<patrikf>ed_debian: please stop talking such nonsense.
11:04<djc>if it doesnt, something is horridly wrong with whatever vm technology is in use
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11:04<ed_debian>patrikf, Sorry to make you look bad lol
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11:05<djc>man reboot: -f Force halt or reboot, don’t call shutdown(8).
11:05<bja>Hey guys kernel 2.4 used to have that problem on certain hardware , that IS THE PROBLEM
11:05<tech404>What is the proper way of stopping the sound modules from loading? I have added them to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and added blacklist=soundcore,snd to the kernel command line.
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11:05<bja>a known issue of 2.4 kernels
11:05<ed_debian>djc, man shutdown: -f skip fsck on reboot
11:06<djc>on certain *virtual* hardware ?
11:06<djc>ed_debian, he was giving it as an option to 'reboot', not to 'shutdown'
11:06<ed_debian>djc, oic nevermind then
11:06<Anonissimus>aaah some change now
11:06<bja>djc: on certain hardware. I use to have that problem on a laptop
11:06<djc>I was the one suggestion shutdown -r in place os shutdown -h
11:06<Anonissimus>this time it is in maintenance mode
11:07<djc>maintenance mode?
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11:07<djc>you got it to shut and reboot?
11:07<Anonissimus>The system is going down to maintenance mode NOW!
11:07<Anonissimus>but nope
11:07<Anonissimus>timed out as well
11:07<djc>i gather you dont have access to the virtualized console of this vm
11:07<Anonissimus>well gathered
11:08<djc>what vm tech is in use, anyway?
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11:08<djc>"lspci" might show devices that have 'brands' that might give clues as to that, if you dont know otherwise
11:08<Anonissimus>djc: no clue
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11:09<djc>try lspci?
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11:11<Anonissimus>need to run some errands food > beign able to shutdown properly
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11:12<ed_debian>Anonissimus, lol I know a lot of people that would never notice if their system didn't shut down. Including myself! I can see how something outways it easily
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11:12<locklace>Anonissimus: try "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mem" - that has at least a chance of triggering a reboot ;)
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11:13<djc>Anonissimus, did you look at lspci?
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11:14<FoxM>Hi guys. I messed a bit with atp and stupidly uninstalled aptitude. Now, when I try to reinstall it it says: "aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6
11:14<FoxM>Depends: libept0 (>= 0.5.26) but it is not going to be installed"
11:14<FoxM>It was uninstalled because I forced an 'apt' upgrade... how can I revert apt to the previous version?
11:14<djc>for instance, in a VirtualBox vm, runing lspci from linux, shows, among other things, "VirtualBox Graphics adapter" and "VirtualBox guest service"
11:14<ml|>locklace: ;)
11:14<djc>so, if you had shell access to such a vm, you could see that it was Vbox even if you had no external information
11:15<lord_rob>FoxM: use aptitude and see what will happen :/ but I have no idea how to help you
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11:15<djc>Is this a workstation with X/GUI login? if so try synaptic
11:15<FoxM>lord_rob: aptitude package was removed to force the upgrade :( hehehe I feel so stupid
11:15<ed_debian>FoxM, what happens if you try to install libapt-pkg-libc...
11:16<petemc>djc: on paravirt lspci shows nothing, im sure it does same on vserver
11:16<lord_rob>I always use aptitude "gui" FoxM
11:16<ml|>FoxM: use apt to install the missing lib
11:16<shamanix>FoxM, try manually downloading the files from debians site, then as administrator use dpkg -i packagenamehere.deb
11:16<lord_rob>apt-get install aptitude FoxM
11:16<djc>Does this machine have X? If so try synaptic
11:16<FoxM>ml|: ed_debian: when I try to install the missing lib; "Note, selecting apt instead of libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6apt is already the newest version."
11:17<ml|>FoxM: right if that does work do what shamanix said
11:17<lord_rob>did I miss something ?
11:18<djc>If apt-get is unable to resolve the dependencies in order to install aptitude, if you have an X console, try synaptic
11:18<ed_debian>FoxM, have you tried synaptic?
11:18<FoxM>shamanix: ml|: I will try that
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11:18<ml|>FoxM: try what djc suggested first
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11:19<ml|>i don't synaptic, so have no clue in it's use
11:19<djc>its an X/gui program, its pretty end-user simple
11:20<shamanix>mI| synaptic is so simple a 5 year old could use it
11:20<ml|>djc: right just dunno on it's useage
11:20<djc>just click 'search', type 'aptitude'.. when it finds it right click, pick 'markfor installation'.
11:20<djc>then hit 'apply' at the top
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11:20<FoxM>Synaptic cannot be installed either
11:20<ml|>I'm a aptitude man :) before that apt :)
11:20<FoxM>missing dependency too
11:21<djc>Oh I was saying if you had it installed already
11:21<lex4051>hi all.. do anybody know how to turn on preview for soundfiles in nautilus? (Debian Lenny. sound works correct in totem, but when cursor under soundfile music doesn't playing...)
11:21<lord_rob>FoxM: you can also resolve the dependancies "by hand", using (replace lenny by your distribution) I know it's a bit complicated :)
11:21<ml|>FoxM: the do what shamanix said
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11:21<lord_rob>installing every needed packages using dpkg FoxM
11:22<djc>if you cant figure it out, theres always 'save all your data and reinstall' ;\
11:22<FoxM>lord_rob: ml|: I think the problem is... that apt was previously on version "apt []", but now it is "apt []"
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11:22<shamanix>do yourself a favor and get some food and drink before though, cause you'll be facing dependency hell :-) dpkg doesnt automagically do dependencies
11:22<djc>Ah testing..
11:22<djc>test failed
11:22<FoxM>djc: indeed ;)
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11:22<ml|>FoxM: just try what shamix lord_rob suggested
11:23<ml|>FoxM: what did you use to upgrade?
11:23<djc>I consider myself pretty much a linux expert, and Ive figured out a *lot* about debian in the couple months since i"ve sswitched to it, and I have no intention of going anywhere near testing
11:24<FoxM>ml|: lord_rob: shamanix: thanks... I will try to force the apt version back to the old one
11:24<ml|>djc: testing is find if you don't srew it up
11:24<djc>(switched to debian from fedora/redhat, and before that slackware, also some freebsd mixed in - in all well over 10 years *nix)
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11:24<djc>I see no benefit to not sticking with lenny
11:24<djc>At least not on any machine I actually want to use..
11:25<ml|>djc: your choice just saying ;)
11:25<lord_rob>it's fun to use sid ;)
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11:25<lord_rob>it's my personnal opinion
11:25<FoxM>djc: I see a difference... it has better support for this hardware
11:25<gravity>sid is fun, if you're willing to put in a little work and put up with some breakage
11:26<ml|>maybe when I encounter a problem with testing I'll use stable
11:26<gravity>And by "work" I don't mean asking around constantly on irc and mailing lists
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11:26<djc>My point was, if I was in that situation, I could probably figure it out and make it work. Eg, I'm pretty self-sufficient.. and even *I* stick with lenny. It baffles me why someone expecting a usable/stable system, that *isnt* self-sufficient, would try to use the 'in development' version of any software
11:27<ml|>djc: i see right
11:27<djc>barring some specific feature that was absolutely critical and/or some hardware that absolutely wouldnt work in lenny
11:27<ml|>FoxM: what did you use to upgrade?
11:27<FoxM>djc: I have been with debian for 3 years, 1 with testing and this is my really first problem... I have no complains about it
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11:28<FoxM>djc: and I admit I was the one who screw it up, because I forced it to upgrade... hahha I used aptitude! ;)
11:28<djc>And to be honest, in the 'hardware not working with lenny', I'd strongly consider different hardware
11:28<bja>djc: A point for you, but it is indeed a lot of fun to look at people running around in circles looking for an answear that is in their own actions.
11:28<djc>bja, You enjoy slowing down at highway accident sites, dont you?
11:28<ml|>FoxM: next time take the time to read what aptitude a tellin you ;)
11:28<FoxM>djc: It is very hard to change the hardware, because this is a tablet pc
11:29<locklace>FoxM: now you know the right way to update sid/testing: "aptitude safe-upgrade", then "aptitude -s full-upgrade" to simulate what would happen before doing it
11:29<ml|>djc: lol
11:29<djc>FoxM, out of curiosity, what device in it doesnt work in lenny?
11:29<gravity>Why one earth don't people use aptitude in interactive mode for such things?
11:29<bja>djc: No I am aware of human suffering, but then again people are sometimes looking for trouble and when they find it they get scared.
11:30<ml|>FoxM: read what locklace just siad!
11:30<FoxM>djc: SD card reader
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11:30<gravity>You can see *everything* that it's going to do and plan accordingly. "Oh shit! It's going to remove itself on upgrade! Don't proceed!"
11:30<locklace>FoxM: the good news is this particular issue is not too hard to solve by hand, you just need to manually install the newer libs aptitude depends on, or move apt+libs back to the previous versions
11:30<djc>and rather than switch the entire system from lenny to squeeze (I assume you *tried* lenny first and arent a complete masochist), why not just get a backport kernel?
11:30<ml|>gravity: lol
11:30<djc>since sd reader support would be something in the kernel
11:30<gravity>ml|: I'm serious
11:31<gravity>I've been using unstable almost exclusively for nearly a decade.
11:31<ml|>gravity: i know just the last bit was funny
11:31<gravity>This is how I do it. I use my package manager in interactive mode so that I know what it's going to do and avoid obvious problems like aptitude being removed.
11:31<FoxM>djc: I started with Etch when it was in testing! I switched to lenny about 6 months before it went to stable
11:31<gravity>Why people insist on constantly using the apt-get style interface is beyond me. It's retarded and leads to problems.
11:32<lord_rob>I have used debian since 2002 (at that time woody was about to be stable), and I've never run anything other than Sid. No breakage I couldn't overcome but sometimes shit happens really, and you learn from that. Now I'm trying to no more ask stupid questions on irc :)
11:32<locklace>gravity: ever have any issues with critical packages like libc/udev/bootloader? those are the main ones i'd potentially worry about
11:32<djc>doesnt the cli offer the same 'summary of what its going to do and option to continue/abort' ?
11:32<gravity>locklace: Not in a very long time.
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11:33<stuckey>locklace: Okay
11:33<locklace>gravity: that's good to hear
11:33<gravity>locklace: But that's not to say we won't in the future. Things happen.
11:33<djc>To be honest, I tried aptitude's curses mode, and found the navigation somewhat non-intuitive
11:33<ml|>gravity: I use aptitude in interactive mode when installing a pkg, but for upgrading I prefer aptitude safe-upgrade or use the -s option
11:33<gravity>There's talk of moving to grub2 at some point, and the glibc->eglibc may have some surprises in store
11:33<gravity>djc: Use the search facility
11:33<_johan>How do i specify with wpa_supplicant that i want to use DHCP after authenticated?
11:34<FoxM>I normally use the cli for 'aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade' and that's it... I had some free time now, so I decided to force the upgrade... hahaahaha so I am not really worried. I just didn't know how to get 'apt' back to the previous version
11:34<djc>wpa and dhcp arent related
11:34<locklace>gravity: sure. what's the eglibc about? not familiar with that one
11:34<ml|>djc: i find interactivemode easy to use
11:34<stuckey>locklace: so how do I set up an lvm partition now?
11:34<locklace>stuckey: did you read the lvm howto yet
11:34<stuckey>locklace: which lvm how to?
11:34<gravity>locklace: See planet debian, debian-devel, slashdot, reddit, etc.
11:35<gsimmons>!tell stuckey -about lvm
11:35<djc>wpa is authentication.. once the wireless if is bound to an AP, then the rest is the same as any other network if
11:35<locklace>!fgi stuckey linux lvm howto
11:35<dpkg>stuckey: lvm howto
11:35<_johan>djc, how do i do then? I think my wpa is authenticated, how do i get ip from dhcp using my wireless?
11:35<ml|>fgi doesn't work correctly
11:35<cahoot>_johan: that's what you use /etc/network/interfaces for
11:35<ml|>look at the link it posted
11:36*djc lazy, uses debians GUI 'network admin'
11:36<locklace>!fgi stuckey linux-lvm-howto
11:36<djc>it 'just works'
11:36<djc>!fgi linux%20lvm%20howto
11:36<djc>oh its gotta have a target
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11:37<stuckey>locklace: okay but now I've got to reinstall my nvidia drivers... I tried adding the deb-src for sid in sources, but then when I run m-a a-i nvidia it says E: couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source
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11:38<ml|>!tell stuckey -about nvidia
11:39<djc>stuckey, it probably isnt there yet.. remember sid is constantly under development.
11:39<djc>eg, so a new kernel might get committed to it, but the nvidia module maintainer doesnt necesarilly get around to updating the nvidia module source
11:39<djc>.. right away
11:39<stuckey>ml|: i'm using that guide and it doesn't work
11:39<[cipher]>djc, i have a Q about sid
11:40<ml|>locklace: I tried fgi like you did but when I went to link just didn't look right, but now that you did it and I followed the link I see it works correctly now thanks
11:40<[cipher]>what is it exactly!?
11:40<ml|>stuckey: oh
11:40<dpkg>See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
11:40<djc>[cipher], that was for you
11:40<stuckey>ml|: I need the 180.44 driver that's in sid. but I use lenny...
11:40<[cipher]>thanks djc
11:40<[cipher]>djc, but lenny is the 5th, etch was the 4th
11:40<[cipher]>what about sid, is it the 3th one?
11:40<djc>read that page
11:41<djc>it will explain
11:41<[cipher]>k, i will
11:41<[cipher]>thanks anyway djc
11:41<djc>mainly, you probably dont want to use it
11:41<[cipher]>djc, about the dpkg bot
11:42<[cipher]>is it available to edit and use in other rooms?
11:42*djc checks the #debian duty roster
11:42<[cipher]>channels :)
11:42<bja>[cipher]: 2. potato 3 sarge 4 etch 5 lenny (sid the bad guy allways unstable)
11:42<djc>I knew what you meant.
11:43<[cipher]>bja, thanks mate
11:43<djc>bja, thats not 100% accurate, but you probably know that
11:43<ml|>only in here right?
11:43<[cipher]>what is the 6th gonna be bja :)
11:43<[cipher]>tomato :P
11:43<dpkg>See for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases.
11:43<bja>[cipher]: well i just saw toystory :)
11:44<ml|>need to see tha movie
11:44<djc>To be honest, I'm not sure if I saw it..
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11:44<[cipher]>what movie?
11:44<ml|>toy story
11:44<djc>My kid has a book with disney stories in it, and it has several TS ones.. so Ive read them often enough, and it blurs wether I actually saw the movie or not
11:45<ml|>wheren't there two movies?
11:45<djc>[cipher], Web browser not working?
11:45<gravity>djc: The movies are actually pretty good
11:45*gravity liked the movies before he liked Debian
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11:45<djc>Load that page, answers to all those questions in 20 seconds
11:45<[cipher]>djc, keep in mind, i'm mostly lazy ;)
11:45<ml|>aren't we all ;)
11:45<djc>I am too, but I can still manage to click a URL
11:46<[cipher]>got it from wiki
11:46<djc>Or more specifically, right click it, and select 'open in browser' from the dropdown
11:46<ml|>djc: right
11:46<[cipher]>djc, dkpg?
11:46<[cipher]>no answer?
11:46<djc>and ive even taken the time to pref iw/ff so that it uses an existing window but uses a new tab
11:47<djc>so it neither piles new windows all over, nor does it clobber what is already open
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11:47<ml|>middle click here in urxvt :)
11:47<djc>dpkg doesnt belong to me
11:47<dpkg>i don't know, djc
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11:47<[cipher]>djc, is it free?
11:47<djc>/msg dpkg help
11:47<_johan>cahoot, after adding to interfaces like this:, if you look in the bottom, the interface just dissapeard when restarting network?
11:47<ml|>!feed me
11:47*dpkg serves up a lovely steak and ale pie to ml|.
11:48<djc>!fsck me
11:48<dpkg>e2fsck /dev/djc : warning! filesystem contains helpdesk workers!
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11:48<[cipher]>djc, any idea about it's belong for who?
11:48<djc>/msg dpkg help
11:49<arw> /msg dpkg help
11:49<[cipher]>i need the source code ppl :S
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11:50<[cipher]>it's rather be under gpl ;)
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11:50<stuckey>locklace: should I have made /boot a primary or a logical partition?
11:51<RichiH>is there a linux equivalent of mhdd?
11:51<djc>stuckey, primary is generally good
11:51<djc>what is mhdd?
11:51<ml|>!tell [cipher] -about dpkgbot
11:51<asaleem_>are dns queries cached in debian?
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11:51<djc>are you running a caching resolver?
11:52<asaleem_>djc, nothing sepcial
11:52<[cipher]>thanks ml|
11:52<asaleem_>djc, just plain install
11:52<ml|>[cipher]: np
11:52<djc>then no.. they are cached by whatever ns your system uses as a resolver
11:52<djc>most likely, you isp.. or your router/nat box, if you have one
11:53<asaleem_>djc, is there any special program that does the resoltion, in this case
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11:53<djc>RichiH, Most of the info is available using various utilities.. theres no big special 'package' like that tho.. *nix in general doesnt work like that
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11:53<asaleem_>djc, with plain install
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11:54<djc>asaleem its part of the networking stack
11:54<asaleem_>djc, which special program does the resolution
11:54<ml|>RichiH: have you tried to search with aptitude, like aptitude hdd and the like
11:54<asaleem_>djc, got it
11:54<RichiH>djc: yah, i know. do one thing and do it well
11:54<djc>it sends queries to whatever NS you have configured in /etc/resolv.conf
11:54<RichiH>basically, i have this problem:
11:54<asaleem_>djc, thanks
11:55<djc>generally, if an NS offers resolver service (eg the ability to lookup whatever) it also caches
11:55<djc>if you want to cache locally, if you have a home network use a router, they generally do that
11:55<djc>if not, you could install bind as a localhost-only resolver
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11:55<djc>and use in resolv.conf
11:56<djc>RichiH, woah
11:56<djc>RichiH, run dmesg | grep hd
11:56<djc>and pastbin
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11:57<djc>RichiH, actually hold on that a sec
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11:57<djc>instead, dmesg | grep ata
11:58<djc>(ata with catch both ata and pata
11:58<djc>er sata and pata
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11:59<djc>if you swap with sata port the drives are connected to, does the problem stay with the port, or with the drive?
11:59<RichiH>djc: it transfered to both drives
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11:59<RichiH>we had 6 1 TiB drives
11:59<djc>any relevant settings in bios?
11:59<RichiH>now, we have 3
12:00<RichiH>no, especially since a hardware controller says the same
12:00<RichiH>i.e. bypassing bios
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12:00<djc>id try 1. disconnect *all* of them (I assume this machine isnt in production)
12:01<djc>2. connect *one* of them, to the first sata port, and see if it comes up right.. then shutdown, and disconenct that one, then connect the second and check it
12:01<djc>check them one at a time
12:01<djc>with a fresh reboot each time
12:01<_johan>Hm, strange problem, iam connected to some wireless network, but how do I see the name of the network Iam connected to?
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12:01<RichiH>correction, we now have 2 disks which are not broken
12:01<ootput>ifconfig -M
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12:01<ootput>er, ignore that
12:01<djc>ootput, wtf is that?
12:02<ootput>djc: openbsd
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12:02<djc>neither iwconfig nor ifconfig recogn...
12:02<ootput>i had the wrong chan opened :)
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12:02<corge>i was about to say, thats a BSD command
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12:02<djc>never used wireless on *bsd
12:03<_johan>djc thanks!
12:03<djc>i use freebsd, but its on a server. And, as you might expect, those tend to have nice wired connetions
12:03<locklace>stuckey: paste your fdisk -l so we can see if you did the first part right
12:03<ootput>well, work is still being done on getting wpa-psk supported on some chipsets
12:03<djc>RichiH, were you hotplugging these? or shutting down before switching?
12:04<djc>I seem to recall sata supports hotplugging.. I think.. but.. Id try with a shutdown and boot after connected
12:04<RichiH>djc: no, coldplug
12:04<djc>I could be wrong, in either direction
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12:04<djc>ah ok
12:04<RichiH>i don't believe in hotplugging if possible to avoid it
12:04<corge>sas supports hotplugging
12:05<corge>serial attached scsi
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12:05<bja>If hotplugging is not expressly stated on the hardware, Please shutdown before removal.
12:05*djc connects a scsi drive to an rs232 port.. performance is crap, as you might expect
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12:05<djc>only hotplug stuff I use is usb
12:06<djc>well.. the occasionally pcmcia
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12:06<bja>djc: I do miss that rs232 ports, not quite versatile as rs432
12:06<djc>of course, you never heard anyone market ethernet as supporting 'hotplugging'.. even though it has since before the concept existed ;)
12:06<corge>djc: sas is basically scsi drives with a sata interface
12:06<djc>corge, I was being facetious
12:06<corge>ok, it sounded like you were confused
12:07<djc>no one in their right mind would think you could connect a hard drive via a serial port.. well.. at least not with anything modern
12:07<corge>i wasn't talking about connecting scsi to rs232
12:07<djc>I seem to recall old C-64's hard a hard drive that connected via some sort of serial port
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12:07<djc>in fact so did the floppy drive
12:08<bja>djc: rs432
12:08<DAU>hi there! how can i fix my broken packages
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12:08<djc>DAU, superglue
12:08<bja>A serial port with a different voltage and a reverse voltage protection. Something not so widespread
12:08<yra>duck tape is better
12:09<djc>I dont think that means *your* packages are broken, I think it means they are broken. I gather you are trying to update to sid/unstable?
12:09<djc>eg, they currently 'dont work'
12:09<djc>in the unstable
12:09<djc>I could be wrong
12:10<djc>what are you trying to upgrade from/to?
12:10<djc>bja, 432? you sure you dont mean 422?
12:10<djc>Ive heard of RS422
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12:11<bja>djc: well its quite some time since i saw one of those working it might well be 422
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12:11<djc> QUICK REFERENCE FOR RS485, RS422, RS232 AND RS423
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12:12<djc>current loop
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12:13<DAU>djc: from etch to lenny
12:13<djc>I once played with a box that convereted between currentloop and mil-188C (which was identical to rs232)
12:14<djc>DAU, 1. Have you updated to the most current etch first
12:14<djc>DAU, 2. Are you following these instructions:
12:14<bja>Long time ago I did a software lock based on an rs232 interface.
12:14<DAU>in sources.lst
12:14<djc>1. Did you update etch itself, prior to changing anything in sources?
12:14<djc>so that you had the latest of everything 'etch' ?
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12:15<FoxM>I forgot to thank you guys... the problem with apt was solved easily by downloading from packages.debian and dpkg -i :) thanks a lot
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12:15<DAU>djc: hmmm, some packages maye. you have to know i'm sitting in the midle of ghana.... internet is not working like charme :)
12:15<stevem_>Lo whats the best way for me to install something from 'sid' when i'm in 'lenny' ?
12:15<gsimmons>dpkg: etch->lenny
12:15<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
12:15<djc>DAU, you might want to avoid doing that without a reliable decent net connection
12:16<stevem_>maybe something like apt-get -t sid install BLAH
12:16<djc>!tell stevem_ about backports
12:16<DAU>djc: i don't want to change to xp!!!!
12:16<stevem_>djc, don't think it's in that
12:16<stevem_>djc, in fact it isn't... want the new intel drivers for my graphics
12:16<DAU>djc: i#ll follw hat dpkg said
12:16<djc>DAU, what I meant is, if you have a working etch, stick with it until you can get some decent inet
12:17<djc>didnt say anything about using xp
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12:17<DAU>djc: ok, your're right
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12:17<djc>DAU, but yes, you want to make sure you have a fully updated etch, before moving to lenny.. and you want to follow the instructions referenced by dpkg
12:17<DAU>djc: i'll change back the sources.lst (lenny -> etch)
12:18<DAU>djc: an do aptitude update
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12:18<djc>stevem_, Hrm.. that would be an Xorg package
12:18<stevem_>djc it would indeed :P
12:18<stevem_>djc I'm thinking add sid to my sources.list - someone pin all of them so they don't install . except what I explicitly say to install
12:19<djc>stevem_, if it isnt in backports, there probably isnt a clean way of doing it
12:19<djc>becuase the sid packages are going to depend on the sid libraries
12:19<stevem_>well I wanna do it anyway... and it's better than compiling the thing manually
12:19<djc>eg, it wont work
12:19<djc>without breaking a lot of other things that depend on the lenny libraries
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12:20<djc>if there isnt a backport, then the only way is probably to make your own package from the updated source for the particular xorg package you need
12:20<stevem_>djc, ok any instructions on how to do that?
12:20<djc>which package is it you need?
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12:21<stevem_>2.7.0 came out a couple of weeks back, hoping it fixes my gaming issue
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12:22<djc>stevem_, you'll want to poke around on
12:22<f_9>hello corge
12:23<stevem_>what am I poking for exactly?
12:23<djc>rebuilding packages from source?
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12:23<djc>try different things until you find something that looks appropriate
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12:25<djc>forgot how to get dpkg to show packages
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12:26<sney>/msg dpkg help ?
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12:26<djc>actually im not sure it was dpkg that provided that
12:26<sd_>Hello! I have problem with my Etch on amd64. I discovered that my libc6 was upgraded some way to 2.7-10 version, now I can't install libc6-dev to build some package. How to downgrade to standard 2.3.6.ds1 version ?
12:26<corge>dpkg -get-selections
12:26<dpkg>corge: bugger all, i dunno
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12:27<djc>sd_, do you have 'etch' in your sources.list, or do you have 'stable'?
12:27<sd_>djc: it is etch
12:27<djc>if you have 'stable', then about two months ago when lenny was released, you've have found 'stable' pointing at lenny
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12:28<djc>i have libc6-dev 2.7.18
12:28<djc>er 2.7-18
12:28<djc>you want the same -dev as the library you have
12:28<djc>Im on lenny tho
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12:29<sd_>which way could I downgrade, or ok, I could upgrade libc6-dev also, but I can not find this version anywhere
12:29<djc>how did you get 2.7 on etch?
12:30<djc>there is no 2.7 in etch repo
12:30<djc>unless it came in as a security update
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12:30<DAU>is there any difference in functionality between dpkg, apt-get and patitude?
12:30<sd_>djc: I don't know now... Some day I was using backports to install wine, but it does not seem containing any libc packages... No ideas for now...
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12:31<dr|z3d>DAU: You're best advised to use aptitude, where possible.
12:31<dr|z3d>aptitude and apt-get are broadly the same, and both rely on dpkg to do the installing/removing.
12:31<djc>to be honest I dont know.. Ive never tried downgrading anything.. Id suggest remove it completely then install the right one again, and that would work fine for a normal app, but with the libc, that might make break your system badly
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12:32<sd_>djc: I have two sismilar machines on amd64, and only one of them has this damned 2.7 .. :(
12:32<djc>sd_, run apt-cach policy libc6
12:32<djc>and the same with libc6-dev
12:33<ml|>!tell DAU -about aptitude
12:33<DAU>djc: basically they are doing the same thing, right?
12:34<ml|>!tell DAU why aptitude
12:34<djc>aptitude is smarter about dependencies that apt-get
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12:34<ml|>hah why does work with tell
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12:34<dr|z3d>DAU: Essentially apt-get and aptitude perform the same role, yes, though aptitude has better dependency resolution.
12:35<ml|>DAU: use aptitude :)
12:35<ml|>!why aptitude
12:35<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
12:35<dr|z3d>aptitude also clears up obsolete installs, whereas apt-get doesn't have the same skills.
12:35<corge>DAV: really what we're trying to tell you is, use aptitude
12:35<ml|>corge: ;)
12:35<djc>sd_, ok.. someone else is gonna have to jump in here.. i dont know the solution
12:36<DAU>hmm, i think i got the message ;)
12:36<ml|>DAU: whatever you do don't force an upgrade of apt!
12:37<ml|>DAU: read msg from aptitude :)
12:37<sd_>djc: thanks anyway
12:38<DAU>i like ths irc....
12:39<sd_>the solution might be to find out and install libc6-dev 2.7-10 .deb for amd64, but I don't see it anywhere.....
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12:40<soc> hi
12:40<soc>does someone know (maybe a latex maintainer) when texlive 2008 will be available as packages?
12:40<soc> only says, that they are working on it
12:40<djc>it probably came from lenny, but lenny is on 2-7.18 now
12:40<djc>its probably in the archives somewhere..
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12:41<sd_>djc: guys, what would happen if I just download and do dpkg -i libc6-dev_2.3.6.ds1-13etch9_amd64.deb ?
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12:44<djc>im sure someone here can answer that.. I cant.
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12:45<fxiny>any kde user to confirm this ? : k3b data , a 4.4G DVD . drag a less then 4.4G dir to be burned . say yiu have some 20MB more to go . remove the dir , add more stuff now , like 100MB or something : how much left now ? some giga ?
12:45<djc>er.. what?!?
12:45<fxiny>could be my system , that's why i'm asking
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12:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:45<djc>if you don want to burn the <4.4g dir then dont drag it there in the first place
12:46<valdyn>sd_: you can "downgrade" via aptitude install packagename=version, its unsupported however
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12:46<fxiny>djc: i'm not asking for instruction how to burn
12:46<djc>I dont use kde, but I do use k3b
12:46<fxiny>asnd i say : any kde user ?
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12:47<bja>sd_: Is it a production server the one with the problem?
12:47<djc>how close to 4.4g does the first content need to be?
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12:48<cjac>any folks here have experience with the vmware-package package?
12:48<fxiny>sney: i'd rather join planet claire :P
12:48<cjac>looks like the kernel module has some weirdness...
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12:49<sd_>bja: unfortunately - yes ..
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12:50<bja>sd_: Any schedule downtime on the near future?
12:51<azeem>cjac: your kernel is too new
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12:52<cjac>azeem: yeah, I thought that might be it... so binary search back to 2.6.18 or so?
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12:52<azeem>binary search?
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12:52<cjac>azeem: bisect the versions, test, bisect again, test :)
12:52<cjac>find the most recent version that works with these modules
12:52<azeem>I think the problem is well understood
12:53<azeem>it's just that VMWare doesn't send out patches or someting
12:53<azeem>cjac: there's patches floating around on the net though
12:53<lwljrw>i used the entire disk when i installed my system. is there any way to resize the partitions with a livecd? the one i tried didnt seem to allow it. i was using gparted. anyone?
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12:53<cjac>oh? the problem I have is that I want to use the vmware-package package to manage building the .debs to ease maintenance
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12:53<fxiny>lenny VMWare problem ?
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12:53<fxiny>it runs here with a patch
12:54<azeem>cjac: I guess you can suspend the building process at some point and copy the new vm*.tar sources into place
12:54<cjac>azeem: ah, I'll google after the wife returns and takes her turn with the kiddos :)
12:54<fxiny>cjac: lenny ?
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12:58<cjac>fxiny: jaunty, actually
12:58<azeem>cjac: then ask in #ubuntu
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13:01<kins>i cant run hyper video converter cause of shared lib probs in amd64 debian lenny
13:02<kins>it says ldd /usr/bin/hypervc |grep "not found"
13:02<kins> => not found
13:02<kins> => not found
13:02<kins> => not found
13:02<kins> => not found
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13:06<azeem>kins_: so install those libraries
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13:07<djc>or stick with installing packages using aptitude/synaptic, rather than downloading random .debs from websites
13:08<djc>there doesnt appear to be anything like that in the lenny repository.. suitable alternate might be avidemux
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13:24<barnes>i got a problem with preseed running debian-installer from USB stick grub only installs on sda instead of /dev/cciss/c0d0
13:25<barnes>there is options for preeseed to install grub on specified /dev/cciss/c0d0 but cant get it to work either
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13:36<djc>anyone running any debian system with an intel core2duo cpu
13:36<djc>looking for mainboard/chipset recommendations
13:37<djc>looking for a basic board for server use (eg so I dont care about what video it has), but I'd like it to have 4DDR2 slots
13:37<dr|z3d>djc: ArsTechnica recently published a systems guide. You might want to have a look at that.
13:37<djc>and supported onboard nic, sata, etc
13:38<djc>well, I want to specifically ensure debian support
13:38<bja>djc: A lap on this side
13:38<djc>unless im mistaken, ars is a 'general windows wanna-be geek' maintstream pub
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13:39<dr|z3d>You are mistaken.
13:39<dr|z3d>Ars is not Windows-centric, at all.
13:39<djc>a couple ive looked at and googled "+linux" have come up with some troubling messages
13:39<djc>well, if it isnt specifically linux centric, then it isnt gonna have linux info
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13:40<dr|z3d>Well, it does cover Linux quite extensively.
13:40<djc>the general purpose 'computer guy' seems to assume windows is everything and nothing else exists
13:40<djc>ok then
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13:43<djc>thanks.. but not remotely useful. I dont want someones three picks for 'budget, fast, and super fast'..
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13:43<djc>I'm looking specifically for a board that supports intel core2duo cpu, and want to verify that all the onboard hardware is stable and linux-supported
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13:46<MacDadaPL>I'm starting up using Debian (Linux 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP i686 GNU/Linux) and have (probably dumb) question. I was using root account but they say to create a 'normal' one. So I did the command 'adduser'. I logged in but something is different:
13:47<dr|z3d>djc: Also, check the big name OEMs. Asus, Gigabyte, etc..
13:48<dr|z3d>MacDadaPL: If you logged in with the newly created username, then the environment may well be slightly different.
13:48<dr|z3d>Each user is assigned their own home dir and settings.. think Windows profiles.
13:48<MacDadaPL>when i log as root the letters in console are just black (i'm logging in using ssh on Mac OS X's Terminal). but on this 'normal user' account i have colourful letters. whty?
13:48<dr|z3d>That will be your bashrc setup.
13:49<MacDadaPL>when i type 'sh' letters are black, when i type 'bash' colourful. it doesnt change in root account
13:49<dr|z3d>As for the why, probably to differentiate between root and normal accounts.
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13:49<djc>dr|z3d, Yes, I realize that. Ive found a few, and googled the model with "linux" as an added keyword, and found some posts from people with problems.. hard to determine if they were problems with compatibility or user screwing up
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13:50<djc>what I'd really like to find is an up-to-date list of hardware (motherboards, mainly) that is recommended, or that others have had success with
13:50<djc>success running debian, that is ;)
13:50<DAU>do i get this error because my /boot partition is read-only?
13:50<dr|z3d>djc: You probably want something like this as a rough guide:
13:51<djc>Hrm.. thats closer to what I want.
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13:52<djc>although those appear to all be older boards
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13:53<djc>Would be nice to find that page, but updated for current models of mainboards..
13:53<DAU>to make a filesystem read/write i just need to change the /etc/mtab, right?
13:54<djc>and then remount it.. but wether thats a good idea depends on why it was mounted readonly in the first place
13:54<djc>dont edit /etc/mtab
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13:54<djc>what fs are you trying to mount, and why is it mounted readonly?
13:55<djc>/etc/mtab is updated by 'mount'
13:55<djc>and umount
13:55<djc>to reflect the current state.. thats assuming the fs that /etc/mtab is on is writable itself
13:55<DAU>it is ext3, it's my /boot partition
13:56<DAU>my mtab is on / that is writeable
13:56<dr|z3d>DAU: Try a reboot; fsck may have mounted the partition read only to fix.
13:56<DAU>i need to make /boot wirteable to perform aptitude upgrade
13:56<djc>why is it mounted readonly?
13:56<djc>did you set it that way?
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13:57<djc>if so, you probably did so by putting 'ro' in /etc/fstab
13:57<djc>*that* is the file you want to edit
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13:57<djc>(then reboot)
13:57<DAU>ok, so i undo my changes to mtab
13:57<djc>just remove the ro
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13:57<djc>dont edit mtab
13:57<djc>fstab is a config file that you specify what fs to mount and how
13:58<djc>mtab is where the mount utility updates the status of whats currently mounted
13:58<KaiSVK>hi all, I have strange updates comming in ... apt won't update in testing, got strange dependency problems, wants to uninstall gnome and stuff like that
13:58<KaiSVK>anyone have the same ?
13:58<KaiSVK>or know what is happening ?
13:58<DAU>djc: ahhhh, ok
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13:59<DAU>djc: thanks. i'll report when finished
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14:00<MacDadaPL>ok, another 'dumb' question: i try to type on my 'normal user' account 'ifconfig' but i get 'bash: ifconfig: command not found
14:00<DAU>*going to reboot*
14:00<MacDadaPL>'. I googled this phrase. now i know that ifconfig is in /sbin directory. it does work when i type /sbin/./ifconfig. Why cannot I use it in a 'standard' way by typing just 'ifconfig'?
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14:00<cahoot> /sbin isn't in your PATH
14:01<djc>becuase /sbin isnt in....
14:01<djc>and you dont need the extra "."
14:01<djc>you can just /sbin/ifconfig
14:01<djc>generally, 'system admin' type commands are in /sbin and/or /usr/sbin
14:01<djc>those dirs are only in root's PATH
14:02<MacDadaPL>where can i list my paths?
14:02<MacDadaPL>and add more?
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14:02<djc>as a normal user, you can only use ifconfig to display information, you cant change interface configuration
14:02<djc>echo $PATH
14:03<djc>im not sure why you'd need to regularly call ifconfig as a non-root user
14:03<MacDadaPL>i was just surprised why it doesn't work
14:03<locklace>KaiSVK: welcome to the club
14:04<cahoot>MacDadaPL: also I believe ip is the modern tool
14:04<djc>by default the shell only looks in directories in the search path for executables
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14:04<pcc>is there something similar to "apt-get source" that downloads binary packages? I don't want to install them, I just want to download them (without being root)
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14:05<KaiSVK>locklace, is it fixed already ?
14:05<pcc>weasel: yes, thanks
14:05<KaiSVK>well, I think this is quite serious
14:06<KaiSVK>doing fresh install from ftp :) hope it will go well
14:06<locklace>KaiSVK: not as far as i know. it's nothing to worry about as long as you didn't force the upgrade.
14:06<MacDadaPL>ok, thx guys, i'm sure i'll come back soon :P
14:06<corge>macdada make you jump, jump
14:07<KaiSVK>locklace, I did on my desktop, now I am on my laptop
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14:07<locklace>KaiSVK: oops. now you know better
14:07<KaiSVK>locklace, how can this even happen? with those strict policies about testing :/
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14:07<locklace>KaiSVK: it happened because you told it to happen
14:07<KaiSVK>locklace, I mean, why is the new version of apt in testing, while it is broken :/
14:08<locklace>KaiSVK: in the future, remember to use "aptitude safe-upgrade", and then "aptitude -s full-upgrade" to see what would happen before actually doing it
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14:11<corge>kaisuk: remember, testing is not stable
14:11<corge>it is....mostly stable, kinda sorta but not really
14:11<corge>if that makes sense
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14:11<corge>testing will still have many quirks
14:12<KaiSVK>corge, well but it shouldn't have quirks like this :/
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14:24<locklace>KaiSVK: btw,
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14:27<ml|>oh another victim :(
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14:29<locklace>!safe upgrade
14:29<dpkg>To safely upgrade your unstable or testing system, use 'aptitude safe-upgrade' first, and then 'aptitude -s full-upgrade' to simulate what a full-upgrade would do without actually doing it (you need not be root for this). Only proceed if everything looks sane! See also <why aptitude>.
14:29<ml|>wow that would had being helpful yesterday ;)
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14:39<Knut23>How to search packaged using apt-get?
14:39<Supaplex>!tell Knut23 -about search
14:39<ml|>Knut23: apt-cache
14:40<ml|>Knut23: but why not use aptitude
14:40<ml|>!tell Knut23 -about aptitude
14:40<Knut23>I'm new to aptitude
14:40<Supaplex>searching via aptitude is less powerful
14:40<ml|>Supaplex: how so
14:41<ml|>works fine here as far as I know
14:41<Supaplex>it's why the <search> factoid was changed.
14:41<Supaplex>yes, but you get less results.
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14:41<petemc>searching with aptitude is much more powerful
14:41<ml|>even in interactive mode
14:41<petemc>and more complex
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14:42<ml|>hmm conflicting opinions
14:42<ml|>well i like aptitude ;)
14:42<locklace>the channel must be running unstable
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14:43<ml|>or aptitude was removed
14:44<locklace>stuckey: seems okay, only slightly weird thing is that i guess you created a logical partition for /; you didn't need to, but it doesn't hurt anything really
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14:44<Supaplex>three results with apt-cache, one with aptitude.
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14:45<Knut23>How to set a static local ip address?
14:45<Supaplex>man interfaces
14:46<petemc>Supaplex: hence my statement about complexity, you didnt apply the correct switches to search with aptitude
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14:47<Supaplex>we're all ears, petemc. learn us out of our ignorance :)
14:47<petemc>!aptitude search
14:47<dpkg>aptitude search is probably a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html from the aptitude-doc package or or ask me about <aptitude docs>
14:47<petemc>have fun
14:47<Supaplex>dpkg: search is also ask about <aptitude search>
14:47<dpkg>that's too long, Supaplex
14:47<locklace>Knut23: man 5 interfaces
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14:49<locklace>oops, Supaplex got there first
14:49<locklace>why was that "too long" for dpkg?
14:51<petemc>factoids can onyl be a certain length
14:51<Knut23>I've changed the IP address of my eth0 now but ifconfig doesn't show it anymore, plus network doesn't work no longer
14:51<Knut23>whats wrong?
14:52<Knut23>eh... I changed it via gnome GUI
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14:56<ml|>Supaplex: hmm i see thx
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14:58<stuckey>locklace: what's the difference between a logical and aprimary partition? What does one use primary partitions for and what does one use logical partitions for?
14:58<petemc>if only there were some way to search for information on the internet..
14:59<weasel>stuckey: in an msdos partition table there's a limit of 4 primary partition
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14:59<weasel>stuckey: however, one (or more?) of those parimary partitions can be an extended partition, containing an abitrary(?) number of logical partitions
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15:00<weasel>in a couple of years nobody will need to know that anymore
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15:00<weasel>given that msdos partition tables don't work on disks > 2t
15:02<djc>note that it wasnt msdos that defined the format of the 'partition table'
15:02<stuckey>weasel: that's what linux uses...a limit of four primary partitions
15:03<weasel>stuckey: linux can use any number of partition table formats
15:03<stuckey>weasel: that still didn't really answer my question though---that's the difference between the two? what does it matter?
15:03<weasel>to linux it doesn't matter one bit
15:03<weasel>they are all just slices of the disk
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15:04<djc>'logica' was an add-on to the original concept
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15:04<djc>which only had the 4 primary
15:04<djc>well.. 'four' period
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15:04<stuckey>So it doesn't matter that I made /boot primary and / logical?
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15:04<weasel>that's just fine
15:04<stuckey>But you would have made both primary, right?
15:04<djc>geenrally if you are going to make a /boot you want it close to the beginning
15:04<weasel>I might not have
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15:05<djc>note that in order to have 'logical' partitions one of the primary 4 needs to be the 'extended' partition within which the logical ones lie
15:05<djc>if you make and use 4 primary partitions directly, thats it, you're done
15:05<djc>even if you only use a third of the space on the drive for them
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15:07<Supaplex>you might need an isolated /boot for special situations (lvm, etc), but not for plain partitions.
15:07<djc>some of us are still in the habit of making a small /boot near the beginning of the disk
15:07<stuckey>Supaplex: I'm wanting to set up lvm now...
15:07<petemc>djc: not with a machine that supports gpt, which isnt uncommon now
15:07<djc>even if its not strictly called for anymore
15:07<weasel>djc: even if "small" is 512mb for me these days :)
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15:07<stuckey>djc: I made /boot 256mb at the beginning of the disk.
15:08<petemc>djc: guid partition table
15:08<djc>thats fine
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15:08<urbinek>hi how can i open programs with high priority by default not by type nice command ?
15:08<stuckey>Is LVM already installed in lenny or do I have to compile it?
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15:08<petemc>aptitude install lvm2
15:08<djc>generally / should be fairly small, and anything thats going to take up signifigant space should be on a seperate fs
15:09<stuckey>djc: I made 16GB
15:09<stuckey>djc: I made / 16GB
15:09<djc>petemc, isolation.. the less files open on / the better
15:09<petemc>whys that?
15:09<locklace>stuckey: anyway, asked for fdisk -l, not df
15:09<weasel>stuckey: why didn't you install into lvm in the first place?
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15:10<djc>if something corrupts something in /home, theres less chance of it accidentally corrupting something in /bin that you need in order to boot
15:10<weasel>moving / from a normal partition into lvm is probably beyond your capabilities
15:10<djc>if /home is on a different partition
15:10<locklace>weasel: he isn't moving / into lvm
15:10<stuckey>locklace: My apologies.
15:10<weasel>locklace: oh, ok
15:10<stuckey>weasel: I dont' know... I'm following what locklace says.
15:11<weasel>check. locklace to blame for whatever the outcome. :)
15:11<urbinek>any one ? plz
15:11<stuckey>Yes, ask.
15:11<locklace>stuckey: ok, that's fine. so next you need to make a new partition (probably sda6) which will consist of the remaining space on the disk; then that will become your lvm pv.
15:11<djc>urbinek, if everything has high priprity, everything will have the same priority
15:11<djc>priority is relative
15:11<stuckey>locklace: then I get to divide it up and play with it however I see fit?
15:11<urbinek>djc: i know, i wanna this for 2-3 apps
15:11<djc>generally you want to leave it alone, unless you have some *very* specific reason
15:11<urbinek>djc: run for shotr amount of time
15:12<djc>probably wont change anything
15:12<locklace>weasel: for fun, here is the story. first thing he wanted to do was install two full separate copies of lenny on his physical disk, so that he could install the nvidia drivers on one - but since that would "pollute" the "pure stable" install, have a completely separate one too.
15:12<locklace>stuckey: once the lvm is set up, yes.
15:12<urbinek>djc: yes it changes, so im asking how to do this
15:12<stuckey>locklace: i'm reading the guide still
15:12<weasel>locklace: uhm. ok.
15:13<locklace>weasel: so finally i said, look, if you really want to have a "pure stable" to play with, just have one main install with your nvidia drivers; then install kvm or whatever and create as many vms running "pure stable" as you want to play with.
15:13<locklace>stuckey: good, keep at it
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15:15<locklace>weasel: so since his partitioning was all hosed from trying to install two copies of lenny, i suggested starting over - his disk is ~500gb: 256mb /boot, 16gb /, the rest an lvm partition to put /home and whatever else on.
15:15<urbinek>so is this possible or not ?
15:15<weasel>locklace: sounds sane
15:16<ml|>never used lvm now i'm intrigued
15:16<locklace>beats two copies of lenny anyway
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15:20<locklace>ml|: i've been pretty happy with it; the one dumb thing i did was let the installer put / on lvm at the outset. ended up having to resize the physical disk partitions by hand to get out of that
15:21<stuckey>locklace: I need to start at section eleven in the tlpd guide? Since I can install lvm2 package?
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15:22<locklace>don't you already have the lvm tools? what does "lvm help" return
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15:23<stuckey>locklace: nothing
15:23<ml|>locklace: I will try it when I have to do a reinstall or need to change things around
15:24<locklace>stuckey: ok, so did "aptitude install lvm2" work?
15:24<stuckey>locklace: yep
15:25<locklace>stuckey: right, you don't need sections 5,6,7,9,10 in the howto since they're either about lvm1 or building the tools from scratch
15:25<ml|>locklace: or is it possible to do without having to reinstall
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15:25<locklace>stuckey: you should read 1,2,3,4,8 and continue with 11
15:26<locklace>stuckey: so if the lvm2 install worked, you should have the "lvm" command in /sbin. so if "lvm help" doesn't work, then /sbin probably isn't in your path (it should be if you're root)
15:26<locklace>ml|: depends on how your disk is laid out at the moment
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15:29<locklace>ml|: do those partitions fill up your whole disk?
15:29<ml|>no two disk
15:29<ml|>one as a backup
15:29<locklace>oh, a and b, i see
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15:30<locklace>do they fill up both disks completely?
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15:30<ml|>look at paste
15:30<locklace>i mean do you have unpartitioned space on either disk
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15:31<ml|>oh no
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15:31<stuckey>locklace: What do I do for creating a partition out of this unussed space? it doesn't have a /hdb1 name or anything...
15:32<ml|>locklace: can't I just reinstall using lvm and then move data over to lvm?
15:32<locklace>ml|: ok, it is possible to move to lvm without reinstalling, but it involves resizing your filesystems and partitions
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15:32<locklace>sure, you could reinstall instead if you like
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15:33<locklace>stuckey: i recommend cfdisk
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15:33<ml|>stuckey: ok thanks will need to do some reading first
15:33<stuckey>locklace: okday it says sda1 sda5 and then FreeSpace
15:33<stuckey>ml|: You're very welcome.
15:33<locklace>i can't remember whether current linux can handle letting you write to the partition table of a disk that has currently mounted filesystems - does this work or do you have to come in from a rescue disk?
15:34<ml|>I meant locklace :)
15:34<Supaplex>there we go. the <search> factoid has been rehashed. thanks again petemc :)
15:34<locklace>stuckey: you might need to boot from a rescue disk to create the new partition
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15:35<stuckey>locklace: you mean I'm supposed to create a big parition out of all this space with cfdisk first?
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15:35<locklace>stuckey: but you can try. just arrow down to the FreeSpace and choose the "new partition" option
15:35<Knut23>Is there a way to install php 5.2.9 on lenny?
15:36<stuckey>Primary or Logical?
15:36<Knut23>(I can't find it on apt-cache)
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15:36<locklace>stuckey: er...well, might as well pick logical since you already have one logical. that should make it sda6
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15:36<stuckey>locklace: should I change sda5 to primary and then make this other one primary?
15:37<stuckey>locklace: okay... it's writting the partition to the disk.
15:37<locklace>did you make it the right size to use the remaining space?
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15:38<stuckey>locklace: yes I made it logical (sda6) and it has 623879.27 MB
15:38<stuckey>okay so now I go back to my guide
15:38<Knut23>ppl? :>
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15:39<locklace>stuckey: ok, yes, so just remember that /dev/sda6 will be your lvm pv (physical volume)
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15:39<stuckey>locklace: Device /dev/sda6 not found (or ignored by filtering).
15:39<stuckey>locklace: that's what I got when I did "pvcreate /dev/sda6"
15:39<locklace>stuckey: probably you're going to have to reboot before you can use it
15:39<stuckey>okay rebooting
15:39<ml|>locklace: this lvm thing seems enveloping, with you helping stuckey
15:39<locklace>oh, one more thing
15:39<locklace>stuckey: you should set the type of the partition to lvm
15:39<locklace>stuckey: i think cfdisk has some easy way to do that
15:40<stuckey>in cfdisk?
15:40<locklace>it's either a type or a flag, in cfdisk
15:40<Knut23>Do I have to compile php 5.2.9 if its not contained within the apt-cache ?
15:40<locklace>ml|: lvm was actually developed by hp originally, i used it on hp servers with hp-ux
15:40<locklace>ml|: it was a pretty good system so the linux people copied it
15:41<ml|>locklace: oh
15:41<stuckey>locklace: it's 8E, that's the option.
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15:41<locklace>stuckey: so it shows up as an lvm partition in cfdisk now?
15:42<stuckey>locklace: yes
15:42<locklace>stuckey: ok cool, write that, then exit and reboot
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15:43<ml|>locklace: did stuckey do a reinstall
15:43<baru>someone know sql?
15:43<locklace>ml|: stuckey hosed his system trying to install two lennies, so yes, i told him to reinstall
15:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask
15:44<locklace>baru: not that this is the best possible choice of channel to ask about sql
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15:44<baru>ok... sorry...
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15:44<baru>i will try in other channel
15:44<bja>baru: just ask
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15:44<bja>Someone will tell you were to go
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15:45<ml|>stuckey: how did it go?
15:45<baru>INSERT Abbonamenti (DataSottoscrizione, DataScadenza, User) VALUES(CURDATE(), DATE_ADD(CURDATE(), 6 MONTHS), 'tttt')
15:45<stuckey> Physical volume "/dev/sda6" successfully created
15:45<stuckey>Now, I do # vgcreate my_volume_group /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 ?
15:45<baru>this INSERT is wrong in the DATE_ADD' part
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15:45<baru>but i don't understand why!
15:46<baru>DataSottoscrizione and DataScadenza are DATE
15:46<bja>baru: you've got a missing ) but anyway take a look down mysql path, this is not the place
15:46<bja> sorry its a missing (
15:47<locklace>stuckey: that would create a volume group on physical volumes /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdb1, neither of which exist on your system
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15:47<stuckey>locklace: I need to do vgcreate name /dev/sdb1 /dev/sda6?
15:47<baru>the ( are right
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15:48<locklace>stuckey: do you understand the syntax of vgcreate? if not, "man vgcreate" is your friend.
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15:48<baru>sorry... i will change channel...
15:48<baru>thank for the help!
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15:51<stuckey>debian:/home/stuckey# vgcreate my_volume /dev/sda6
15:51<stuckey>locklace: " ?
15:52<Supaplex>stuckey: there's an awesome lvm2 howto. I'm sure it's the first few hits on google. I frequently find myself going back to it on any lvm question I have.
15:53<locklace>that's what he's reading now
15:53<ml|>these? ...
15:53<Supaplex>okay =) it'll come with time. but well worth the short study.
15:53<dpkg>somebody said lvm was the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:,, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>,, IRC: #lvm @
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15:54<ml|>the links in lvm _tutorail good?
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15:56<stuckey>ml|: use the one on
15:56<ml|> ?//
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15:57<stuckey>locklace: Volume group "testvg" not found
15:57<stuckey>I got that after running debian:/home/stuckey# lvcreate -L250MB -ntestlv testvg
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15:59<locklace>stuckey: what does "pvs" show
16:00<locklace>stuckey: er, "vgs"
16:00<stuckey>"vgs" returns nothing.
16:00<stuckey>You mean just type it in the terminal?
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16:00<JordiGH>Someone sent me a thing they created with Microsoft Project.
16:00<dpkg>well, microsoft is a software company based in the USA, maker of Microsoft Windows. Ask me about <debian.exe>.
16:01<dpkg>debian.exe is a debian-installer loader for win32. It installs Debian as default; it installs grub for NT on C drive, then downloads the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from, and creates entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at Also ask me about <ig> <setup.exe> or see
16:01<JordiGH>Its extension is .mpp, and file(1) tells me that it's a "CDF v2" file.
16:01<JordiGH>Is there something that can read this?
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16:01<JordiGH>apt-cache searching for "cdf" leads me to believe this is a scientific data exchange format?
16:02<ElPana>alguine habla español
16:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:02<locklace>stuckey: did you activate the vg with vgchange -a
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16:03<stuckey>Yeah but I went on to step 11.5 which told me to delete it.
16:04<stuckey>pvdisplay dev/sda6
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16:04<stuckey>locklace: made it again, still get Volume group "testvg" not found
16:04<stuckey>damn it
16:05<stuckey>no nevermind, I'm still getting the error
16:05<stuckey>I don't get it.
16:05<locklace>stuckey: that is not a step-by-step guide, it's a guide that tells you how to do common tasks
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16:06<stuckey>Do I need to create a linear LV ?
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16:07<locklace>stuckey: ok, back up
16:08<locklace>stuckey: what state are you in now? you have a pv according to "pvs", right?
16:08<stuckey> PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree
16:08<stuckey> /dev/sda6 my_volume lvm2 a- 581.03G 581.03G
16:08<locklace>now how about "vgs"
16:09<stuckey> VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree
16:09<stuckey> my_volume 1 0 0 wz--n- 581.03G 581.03G
16:09<locklace>fine. did you create any lvs? "lvs" will show them if so
16:09<stuckey>No I have none.
16:09<stuckey>Do I need one?
16:10<locklace>ok, so now is the time to take a step back and think about what you want to do with your disk.
16:10<locklace>an lv is a virtual partition. it's like an ordinary disk partition except it's a lot easier to change and resize if you need to.
16:10<stuckey>I want to set aside 250 to use with rtorrent
16:10<locklace>first thing, you need to create a swap partition.
16:10<stuckey>locklace: what are all my options... to do with my disk.
16:10<locklace>how much ram do you have
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16:11<stuckey>locklace: why a swap? (4GB)
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16:11<locklace>ok, you're going to create a 4GB lv called swap
16:11<dr|z3d>stuckey: Linux loves swap. A separate partition is best.
16:11<locklace>you already know the command to do this
16:12<stuckey>dr|z3d: how so?
16:12<stuckey>locklace: I do?
16:12<xerxes>Hi, what is the difference between debian and ubuntu?
16:12<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:12<dr|z3d>stuckey: Different format, optimised for paging ram.
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16:12<stuckey>So I do lvcreate -L8000 ... and then what?
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16:13<dr|z3d>xerxes: Think of Ubuntu as Debian with go faster stripes and a cupholder for your KoolAid.
16:13<stuckey>Good explanation
16:13<locklace>stuckey: what's the name of your vg again
16:13<xerxes>im enlightened :\
16:13<stuckey> my_volume 1 0 0 wz--n- 581.03G 581.03G
16:14<locklace>stuckey: is "my_volume" the whole name or did it get cut off? what does "ls -d /dev/my_*" show
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16:14<dr|z3d>xerxes: If you want ease of use, "just works", Ubuntu is probably best. If you want to get your hands a little dirty, try Debian. Ubuntu is Debian simplified for newbs, essentially.
16:14<stuckey>locklace: that command didn't work..
16:14<stuckey>ls: cannot access /dev/my_*: No such file or directory
16:15<locklace>stuckey: ok, i forget whether lvm creates those links for you automatically, i guess not. anything in /dev/mapper?
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16:15<stuckey>locklace: "control"
16:15<xerxes>is in the debian installer an option for disk/partition encryption?
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16:16<patrikf>xerxes: yes
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16:16<locklace>stuckey: ok. well anyway, what does "vgdisplay" show for the name of the vg
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16:17<locklace>stuckey: fine. so "lvcreate --size 4G --name swap my_volume
16:17<macdada>hi again :)
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16:17<stuckey> Logical volume "swap" created
16:17<locklace>stuckey: now what's in /dev/mapper
16:17<stuckey>locklace: okay so now I've actually "made a partition"?
16:18<stuckey>control my_volume-swap
16:18<locklace>stuckey: yes. congratulations
16:18<dpkg>Oh BOY!! I won!!
16:18<locklace>stuckey: you can now access it like a normal disk partition by the name "/dev/mapper/my_volume-swap"
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16:18<macdada>i'm downloading sth using 'wget' and i want to do sth else using the same terminal windows. how can i do it? is it possible to exit program without quiting it and continue using it later?
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16:18<stuckey>locklace: and I can do the same thing to make a volume for rtorrent?
16:19<locklace>stuckey: yes but hold on. first you have to set up your swap
16:19<stuckey>locklace: now I need to add this to fdsik so that it gets mounted right?
16:19<locklace>stuckey: so "mkswap /dev/mapper/my_volume-swap"
16:19<stuckey>locklace: done
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16:19<locklace>stuckey: ok, now yes, add it to /etc/fstab
16:20<locklace>stuckey: the line should look something like "/dev/mapper/my_volume-swap none swap sw 0 0"
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16:21<stuckey>locklace: what's the mount point?
16:21<locklace>you don't mount swap
16:21<stuckey>locklace: did'nt knwo
16:21<alephnull>Is there an easy way to see leases and associated MAC addresses with dhcp3-server ?
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16:22<locklace>stuckey: that's why you list "none" for the mount point
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16:26<stuckey>locklace: so I created another one called rtorrent... how do I get it to mount in fstab?
16:27<locklace>did you add your swap to fstab
16:27<stuckey>locklace: yes
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16:27<locklace>then do "swapon -a" and then "swapon -s"
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16:28<stuckey>okay done
16:28<locklace>does it show up in the swapon -s?
16:29<stuckey>/dev/mapper/my_volume-swap partition 4194296 0 -1
16:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:29<locklace>fine. now you can proceed the way you would with ordinary partitions. create them with lvcreate, access them via /dev/mapper.
16:29<locklace>obviously you need to make filesystems on any lvs you want to use
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16:30<locklace>then you can put them in fstab and mount them
16:30<stuckey>locklace: what? I don't understand what you mean by obviously I need to make filesystems on any lvs...
16:30<locklace>the nice thing about lvm is you can easily resize volumes if you want, and growing them is especially easy, so it's better not to make them too big at first
16:31<locklace>same way you need to make filesystems on any disk partition in order to use it to store files
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16:31<stuckey>locklace: but all I need to do now that I've made this lvm is to use "lvcreate" to make a partition, right?
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16:32<locklace>yes, to make an lv. if you want to use the lv to store files, you then have to make a filesystem on it.
16:32<stuckey>locklace: how do I do that?
16:32<stuckey>Use cfdisk?
16:32<locklace>use the mkfs program for your favourite filesystem
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16:34<stuckey>"mkfs /dev/mapper/my_volume-rtorrent"?
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16:36<locklace>you might want to have a think about what filesystem type and options you want
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16:37<macdada>i'm downloading sth using 'wget' and i want to do sth else using the same terminal windows. how can i do it? is it possible to exit program without quiting it and continue using it later?
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16:39<lwljrw>i need to erace a cdrw. how do i do that?
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16:39<OdyX>lwljrw: just write the thing you need over
16:39<lwljrw>no it needs to be erased
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16:42<ml|>can someone recommend good burning program, I use mashburn atm, but may i'll start using an X app
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16:45<Andreas>ja genau
16:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:46<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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16:50<stuckey>What file system should I use for a filesystem I'm going to be using to store movies/music on?
16:50<ml|>ext3 should be fine
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16:51<stuckey>How do I save the contents of this channel in irssi?
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16:52<dr|z3d>Copy and paste should work fine, stuckey.
16:53<stuckey>dr|z3d: I can't scroll all the way to the top
16:53<dr|z3d>There may also be File -> Save Log or similar options.. have a dig around :)
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16:53<Supaplex>dude. irssi is a command line irc client.
16:53<stuckey>dr|z3d: it's an ncurses application there isn't a "File" menu
16:53<dr|z3d>stuckey: Does control +a work?
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16:53<Supaplex>ahh, /lastlog -file something.txt
16:54-!-fx [] has joined #debian
16:54<stuckey>and what does that do?
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16:54<Supaplex>saves everything in this windows' last log into the file.
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16:55<stuckey>Supaplex: where this file saved to?
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16:55<Supaplex> behold.
16:55<Supaplex>your home directory
16:55<ml|>stuckey: try /help in irssi
16:55<Supaplex>!tell stuckey -about grounding
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16:56<peppe>Ciao a tutti
16:56<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:56<Knut23>how to set user permissions?
16:57<ml|>!tell Knut23 -about permissions
16:57<bja>ml|: getting good at spotting different languages xD
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16:58<ml|>bja: yes, hehe
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16:58<bja>ml|: Although you missed one !br whith !es
16:58<bja>ml|: Hola is Spanish ola is portuguese
16:58<ml|>bja: ya sure
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16:59<ml|>try to remmeber
16:59<Supaplex>judd be useful. automatically identify possible languages of new people here by geoip. okay?
16:59<judd>Supaplex: Error: "be" is not a valid command.
16:59<Supaplex>to be or not to be. answered by judd.
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17:08<bja>judd versions gcc
17:08<judd>bja: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 squeeze: 4:4.3.3-3 experimental: 4:4.3.3-4 sid: 4:4.3.3-5
17:08<bja>judd versions libc6
17:08<judd>bja: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-10
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17:18<vir>hi everybody. i'm using debian lenny 5.0.1 with KDE 3.5.10 and I have a question about hard disk and boot loader. i have 2 HDDs. dual boot with XP. and now I want to use virtualbox on linux and to install XP there. and I want to format the
17:18<vir>another HDD where the XP is right now.
17:19<vir>but my bootloader is there as well
17:19<valdyn>vir: grub-install /dev/somewhereelse
17:19<valdyn>vir: then go to your bios, change boot order and try it out
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17:19<valdyn>vir: installing it somewhere else doesnt break current grub
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17:21<vir>but if I install it somewhere else right now then I will be unable to boot XP from HDD right? or I can install the same grub to other place and have it in both places?
17:21<locklace>vir: do you actually want to install two bootloaders or just reclaim the disk used by xp? how are you dual-booting now?
17:21<valdyn>vir: no, not unable to boot xp
17:21<vir>yes i have dual boot right now
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17:21<valdyn>vir: how are you booting XP right now though?
17:21<vir>with grub
17:21<valdyn>vir: from grub?
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17:21<valdyn>vir: now go check if grub boots xp from a partition or from the disk
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17:22<vir>where to check that?
17:22<vir>in console?
17:22<valdyn>vir: /boot/grub/menu.lst
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17:23<vir>that's for XP
17:23<valdyn>vir: i dont get how you can want to "format the disk" but not get rid of xp
17:23<valdyn>root (hd0,0)
17:23<valdyn>first partition on hd0
17:23<ml|>yeah doesn't make sense
17:23<vir>i'm installing XP in virtualbox in linux
17:24<vir>then i want to remove the XP from HDD
17:24<valdyn>vir: so why do you care to boot a removed xp then?
17:24<vir>and to use it from virtualbox without dual boot
17:24<stuckey>locklace: okay so how do I add this other partition to fstab?
17:24<vir>but i didn't finish with virtual XP yet that's why. i still need the real XP
17:24<valdyn>vir: you cannot share an xp install between vbox and your real physical computer
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17:25<valdyn>vir: alright then
17:25<valdyn>vir: installing grub to /dev/sda or /dev/sdb doesnt break XP booting
17:25<txx>I did apt-cache search joomla and no joomla?
17:25<valdyn>vir: just do not try to install grub to a partition, thats pointless and could hit xp
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17:26<valdyn>txx: appearantly
17:26<vir>i think i'll finish the virtual XP first completely and then format that main HD and then I'll try to install grub somewhere else.
17:27<txx>You have two HDs?
17:27<stuckey>I made an lvm and made /dev/mapper/* as a partition... what mount point do I use for it?
17:27<vir>yes i have 2
17:27<valdyn>stuckey: choice is yours
17:27<valdyn>stuckey: please learn the terminology properly
17:27<stuckey>valdyn: What choices do I have?
17:27<txx>With Vista it is harder to dual boot
17:27<stuckey>valdyn: I'm learning right now...
17:27<valdyn>stuckey: you made a volume group with logical volumes on it, theres no partitions
17:27<bremner>what is the best OCR program for occasional use, recovering scanned typeset text (just the odd paragraph)
17:27<txx>I had to manually switch the wires on the computer to do it.
17:27<stuckey>valdyn: okay so how do I get that thing to mount at boot?
17:28<valdyn>stuckey: edit /etc/fstab
17:28<valdyn>stuckey: doesnt work any different than an entry for a partition
17:28<stuckey>valdyn: yeah but it doesn't have a mount point?
17:28<stuckey>Do I just make something up?
17:28<valdyn>stuckey: the mount point is something you just make up
17:29<valdyn>stuckey: and its also a directory that has to exist before you can mount
17:29<txx>So how come apt-cache search brings no Joomla?
17:29<vir>can i make some kind of backup of current grub?
17:29<txx>I know there is a deb for it?
17:29<ml|>so mountpoints work the same in lvm?
17:29<stuckey>valdyn: what should I use under options?
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17:29<stuckey>and dump pass?
17:29<valdyn>stuckey: nothing special, defaults is ok
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17:29<txx>What is lvm?
17:29<dpkg>it has been said that lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:,, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>,, IRC: #lvm @
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17:29<stuckey>Use the guide, I just read it.
17:30<txx>Best not to use lvm.
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17:30<txx>Much easier without it.
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17:30<valdyn>txx: you try doing live changing your root filesystem hardware without something like lvm
17:31<valdyn>stuckey: try 0 2
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17:31<valdyn>stuckey: or read the manpage on what it does
17:31<txx>Does he need that?
17:31<valdyn>txx: i dont know what he needs
17:31<valdyn>txx: surely lvm can be used for stupid things too
17:31<txx>lvm makes dual boot harder.
17:32<valdyn>txx: hes obviously not putting / or /boot on lvm
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17:32<valdyn>txx: really it makes booting "harder" , but not dual booting
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17:32<txx>set up more complicated
17:32<txx>I guess after you get it going it doesn't matter.
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17:33<txx>Anyway how do I find out where to get joomla?
17:34<txx>How do I find out if it is in testing?
17:34<vir>in case i lose my bootloader after formating hd0,0 can I reinstall grub with Lenny's installation DVD?
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17:34<valdyn>txx: its not in debian
17:34<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
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17:35<valdyn>vir: thats not that easy
17:35<valdyn>vir: if you have to ask this question you probably arent going to manage
17:35<vir>how to boot my linux then after formatting the main hard drive?
17:35<valdyn>vir: you install grub on it after formatting
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17:36<valdyn>vir: and while you are at it , to the other disk too
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17:36<valdyn>vir: the real questions though is what you call formatting
17:36<txx>You boot from the CD
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17:36<valdyn>vir: thats an msdos terminology, it doesnt really exist anymore
17:36<vir>formatting means deleting everything from hard disk. make it blank
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17:37<valdyn>vir: thats only what you think
17:37<vir>and later change it to ext3 or somethign line that
17:37<valdyn>vir: tell us what you are actually planning on doing
17:37<valdyn>vir: you can run fdisk and create filesystems and many things whithout touching grub
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17:38<bja>vir: for the sake of safety, Please read this link, understand the way grub works, and then make your choices ""
17:38<valdyn>bja: i think he needs to know what "formatting" is first ;)
17:38<vir>i'm installing virtual XP on linux now. if it will work then I want to format the hd0,0 and use only linux with virtual XP inside virtualbox.
17:38<valdyn>vir: hd0,0 is a PARTITION
17:38<valdyn>vir: you can do *anything* to that, without touching grub
17:38<bja>valdyn: XD
17:39<vir>yes it is but that's the whole HDD
17:39<valdyn>vir: no its not, its only a partition
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17:39<valdyn>vir: that does *not* include the whole disk
17:39<vir>that's the only one partition on that HDD
17:39<valdyn>vir: thats fine
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17:40<valdyn>vir: you can overwrite all of sda1 without touching grub
17:40<valdyn>vir: if sda1 is that partition
17:40<vir>yes sda1
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17:40<vir>where is the grub located then?
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17:41<vir>on MBR?
17:41<valdyn>vir: yes
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17:41<txx>Grub tells the computer where to find its boot code
17:41<vir>ok. what is the best tool for overwriting sda1 and don't touching MBR?
17:41<txx>It is located at the beginning of the disk.
17:42<valdyn>vir: in fact the grub starter is on the mbr, most of it is in /boot/grub/
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17:42<txx>Why do you want to do that?
17:42*bja can't stand the tension, so he simply look the other way
17:42<valdyn>vir: you dont need to do that, its time consuming
17:42<vir>i don't need NTFS there. i don't need XP there anymore.
17:42<valdyn>vir: unless you have some secrets you need to destroy
17:43<valdyn>vir: you run fdisk and delete and recreate partitions, then you mkfs to create filesystems on those partitions
17:43<vir>but i want to change the format to ext3 or some other linux format. maybe reiserFS
17:43<valdyn>vir: thats ok
17:43<vir>fdisk is the best?
17:43<txx>Doesn't the Linux install do that?
17:43<valdyn>vir: wtf do you need best
17:43<valdyn>vir: fdisk is a tool to delete and create partitions
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17:44<vir>ok so fdisk is good enough
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17:44<valdyn>txx: do you have an idea how long overwriting one disk takes?
17:44<valdyn>vir: yes
17:44<vir>depends which kind of overwriting you are doing
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17:44<txx>I didn't tell him to overwrite the thing
17:44<vir>if you write all zeros then it takes long time
17:45<valdyn>vir: and its quicker if you write ones? wtf
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17:45<locklace>this is an absurd conversation
17:45<vir>i's the same
17:45<valdyn>locklace: but its fun
17:45<steves>how can STOP network manager from hijacking my network connection? I just want a static address that works without having to constantly reconnect.
17:45<amphi>zeros are computationally expensive to generate
17:45<valdyn>steves: /usr/share/doc/network-manager*/README*
17:46<locklace>amphi: i wrote all 1s to one of my partitions once and my drive got so heavy it fell through the case :(
17:46<amphi>damn :(
17:47<amphi>computing is fraught with danger
17:47<locklace>now i run everything minimal: only 0s
17:47<vir>what's wrong with 0s?
17:47<amphi>right; 1s are just bloat
17:49<txx>Is there an irc for Joomla?
17:49<locklace>but optimization is important too: i upgraded to a super fast disk so now i can read back the 0s at light speed
17:49*bja ask if anyone wants a "shred -zu" served at their hdd
17:50<ml|>can someone recommend good burning program, I use mashburn atm
17:51<vir>thanks. i'll go now. have a nice chat in the rest of the night/day :)
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17:52*amphi has only used wodim (and cdrecord)
17:52<ml|>i gues i can learn to use those
17:52<bja>k3b, brasero, gnome-baker
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17:54<bja>cmd line wodim and cdrecord (can't remember if it was cdrecord or something on that line)
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17:54<ml|>bja: thanks
17:55<bja>bja as a mater of fact gnome-baker is a front end for wodim and iso something
17:55<bja>ml|: np
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17:55<ml|>only thing i don't like is that those pulling in a lot of crap, so maybe i'll stick with what i'm using and learn the cli apps
17:56<txx>Is Lenny stable? what is testing?
17:56<Supaplex>yes. /msg dpkg testing
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17:59<amphi>bja: mkisofs?
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18:00<bja>amphi: yea i think
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18:01<Jesus>卐 HEIL HITLER! 卐
18:01<Jesus>卐 HEIL HITLER! 卐
18:01<Jesus>卐 HEIL HITLER! 卐
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18:02<udrepper>how do i install gentoo
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18:02<Jesus>卐 HEIL HITLER! 卐
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18:02<Jesus>looking for recruits for my army
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18:03<gravity>Cute. Another tor user. Who'd have thought?
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18:11<zobel>paste error
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18:12<amphi>mouse fart?
18:14<zobel>some sort of touchpad issue while reporting to oftc-staff
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18:19<Seattle_Mike>Lenny Server (nfs, Samba,Apache) getting portmap at 100% CPU .. What causes that?
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18:22<txx>Is lenny testing?
18:22<Seattle_Mike>txx: Now Lenny is stable.
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18:23<txx>My source.list has testing but PHP version shows lenny?
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18:24<txx>How to tell what version of Debian I am running?
18:24<themill>txx: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; dpkg -l libc6"
18:25<tarzeau>txx: lsb_release -d
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18:25<txx>It says squeeze
18:25<Seattle_Mike>tarzeau: Thanks for that I didn't know that command.
18:25<tarzeau>txx: that's testing now
18:26<txx>How come testing has version 4 PHP?
18:26<tarzeau>txx: you know i've seen sid systems be older than stable systems at that time. installed sid, then never upgraded, for years
18:26<themill>txx: it doesn't... and nor does lenny
18:26<tarzeau>txx: maybe the system was upgraded, and php 4 never removed
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18:26<themill>txx: you have some pretty old packages installed. You might like to look at the output of "aptitude search ~o"
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18:27<txx>So if it doesn't get removed it doesn't get upgraded?
18:27-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*] by zobel
18:27<tarzeau>txx: ahm, if a package is removed in debian, there are no more updates for it
18:27-!-mode/#debian [-o zobel] by zobel
18:27<tarzeau>txx: sometimes packages are renamed
18:27<mart_n>Hi there! I need to install vlc, but the version in the repository is 0.8. Is there a way to use other repositories (like Ubuntu) to get vlc v0.9?
18:27<tarzeau>txx: and sometimes the updated packages take care of old other named packages using Provides/Conflicts/Replaces fields
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18:28<tarzeau>txx: and sometimes they don't
18:28<txx>What does dist-upgrade do?
18:28<tarzeau>mart_n: you can build your own 0.9 vlc?
18:28<txx>I am about to run that I think?
18:28<tarzeau>!simple sid backport
18:28<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
18:28<bremner>to answer my OCR question, tesseract seems OK
18:28<Seattle_Mike>txx: unfortunately upgrading between Debian Dists I wouldn't recommend - always install the new dist on a seperate partition.
18:28<themill>Seattle_Mike: debian upgrades work very well usually.
18:29<themill>txx: /msg dpkg full-upgrade
18:29<tarzeau>txx: it upgrades the distribution from say stable to testing or sid
18:29<mart_n>txx, so I have to compile it... I'm not that used with compiling ..:-|
18:29<tarzeau>mart_n: sid has 0.9.9a-2
18:29<Seattle_Mike>themill: Maybe for you and others ...but me going with every Debian upgrade - something always fails.
18:30<tarzeau>bremner: what a pity we still don't have ocropus with gui
18:30<themill>Seattle_Mike: really? You do report bugs on this, don't you...
18:30<mart_n>sid is the unstable distro? Can I just use it for vlc without risquing having problem with the rest of my system?
18:30<tarzeau>mart_n: the !simple sid backport was for you
18:30<ml|>!tell mart_n -about multimedia
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18:30<Seattle_Mike>themill: I'm still trying to recover on my server where I stupidly tried to upgrade to Lenny. I now have a freshly installed Lenny.
18:31<txx>So dist-upgrade does a complete upgrade?
18:31<tarzeau>txx: it tries to, yes
18:31<mart_n>!simple sid backport
18:31<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
18:31<txx>I ran it once before, I have been running Debian on this box for a long time.
18:31<tarzeau>txx: what's a long time for you?
18:31<tarzeau>10 years?
18:31<txx>How do I tell when I installed it?
18:32<txx>less than that
18:32<Seattle_Mike>themill: Bugs? My problem is I use apt and have some special hardware like TV card and run a lot of things on my server.
18:32<T_X_>I tried to add an ipv6-dns-server to my /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf with "prepend domain-name-servers [2001:6f8:xxxx::1];", but I just get errors when using dhclient as it does not recognise the format. is ipv6 not supported in dhclient yet?
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18:33<themill>Seattle_Mike: that shouldn't be a problem though. Upgrade failures are bad. Debian tries very very hard to avoid them and they are quite rare.
18:34<Seattle_Mike>themill: OK I guess I should report bugs but the big animal in my case is libgphoto-2 borks apt.
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18:35<Seattle_Mike>themill: I figured with a fresh Lenny install i would have a better shot at getting things working.
18:35<Seattle_Mike>themill: right now I've got Samba, Apache, Sox/fmcapture working. If I have to scratch NFS .. so be it.
18:35<themill>Seattle_Mike: libgphoto2 hasn't been a problem here for me with quite a number of upgrades. Did you use aptitude for the upgrade? (And you were following the upgrade notes, weren't you?)
18:36<txx>I had this box since at least 04
18:36<Seattle_Mike>themill: as I said I use apt. I do use Aptitude sometimes but I don't like it as some years it blew away my kde install.
18:37<Seattle_Mike>themill: libghoto2 isn't a problem for me, but I have to ignore/remove digikam, libsane and hplip upgrades.
18:38<Seattle_Mike>themill: That's true on both my lenny server and desktop.
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18:39<themill>Seattle_Mike: Use aptitude. I have all those installed and did etch->lenny with no issues at all. I'm guessing you didn't read what aptitude was planning to do in that particular kde case... (/msg dpkg unmarkauto) BTW there's no such thing as apt... there's libapt but that is used by both aptitude and apt-get.
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18:40<ml|>aptitude ftw
18:40<themill>Seattle_Mike: One of the reasons that aptitude is recommended for this sort of upgrade is that you can use the interactive dependency solver to point it in the right direction. You can do that both in UI mode as well as CLI mode.
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18:40<Seattle_Mike>themill: using aptitude won't fix my nfs problem <grin> I don't use apt - I use apt-get.
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18:41<themill>txx: if you're running testing (or even stable), then full-upgrades (or dist-upgrades) should be required quite often. You'll see packages "kept back" if you don't.
18:41<themill>Seattle_Mike: :)
18:42<Seattle_Mike>themill: I have 2 nfs problems, one a 100% CPU portmap, and then Clients can't see mounted drives on server.
18:43<ml|>full-upgrade right now is a problem
18:44<themill>ml|: not if you use stable...!
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18:45<ml|>well i do safe-upgrade, aptitude is good at taking care of things
18:46<natanael>i have a problem when copying data, after a while it suddanly stops and doesn't proceed
18:46<natanael>it seams as if some kind of buffer is overfull
18:46<natanael>but i can't find any messages regarding this in /var/log/messages oder syslog
18:46<azeem>natanael: how do you copy?
18:46<Seattle_Mike>ml|, themill: When I tried to get past libghpoto2 - I used Aptitude and apt ... both of them came up with the same error and were unable to continue.
18:47<natanael>with kde4 dolphin
18:47<natanael>drag and drop
18:47<azeem>natanael: destination and source are on the same computer
18:47<azeem>or is one of them a network resource?
18:47<natanael>in one case yes in the other not
18:48<natanael>one is over fish (ssh) over a wired network
18:48<mart_n>how do "we ask something" to dpkg?!
18:48<natanael>and the other one froma loop-mounted image
18:48<azeem>mart_n: /msg it
18:48<mart_n>cool thanks
18:49<natanael>both large folders
18:49<natanael>one 12 GB in summ the other one 6 GB
18:49<ml|>!tell mart_n -about dpkgbot
18:51<natanael>where could i find some statusoutput of the filesystem?
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18:51<natanael>it is reiserfs
18:51<natanael>no it is ext3
18:52<natanael>i had the same problem once on my other computer
18:53<azeem>natanael: did you try using regular cp, at least when both destination and source are on the same computer?
18:54<natanael>no, i thougt maybe i could get the copy process running again
18:54<natanael>the windows are still open
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18:55<azeem>natanael: probably the best you can do is inspect syslog and maybe the process list
18:55<azeem>but I doubt you can get much information out of this
18:56<natanael>in syslog i couln't find anythin
18:56<natanael>and in ps -A is one kio_file and some kio_http
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18:57<_johan>Heya, installed debian, and somekind of flash is allrdy installed, but it sucks really bad, any suggestions how to get better flash support?
18:58<natanael>_johan: if you understand german i can give you a link
18:58<natanael>_johan: (for 64bit systems)
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19:01<_johan>Sorry no german, hehe
19:01<_johan>checking the link
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19:02<natanael>hm the other one is also german
19:02<natanael>but you can find the flashplayer on the adobe homepage
19:02<natanael>and there is also a .deb
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19:04<_johan>natanael, will the .deb for ubuntu work?
19:04<_johan>Thats all I can see there
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19:05<natanael>i think yes
19:05<ml|>_johan: you can grab flashplayer-mozilla from multimedia repo
19:05<ml|>!tell _johan -about multimedia
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19:06<natanael>ok i'll go sleap now
19:06<kristianpaul>there is bussines card for testing?
19:06<natanael>good night
19:06<_johan>Testing that
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19:06<_johan>Goodnight natanael, thanks
19:06<natanael>azeem: thankyou
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19:07<ml|>kristianpaul: i think so
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19:07<kristianpaul>ml|, link?
19:08<hektormvz>me equivoke buscaba el chat de ubuntu
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19:10<ml|>kristianpaul: look in
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19:10<kristianpaul>ml|, i'm but not found
19:10<kristianpaul>ml|, that whhy i'm asking here
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19:12<ml|>kristianpaul: i see, you are looking for buisness card cd dl?
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19:12<kristianpaul>ml|, a business card for debian testing
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19:12<kristianpaul>ml|, dpkg dont know about thats why i ask to a human been
19:13<ml|>kristianpaul: sry dunno then
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19:13<Guest1195>i know there are gurus here, pls what is the best program to hide my ip?
19:13<ml|>!tell kristianpaul -about dpo
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19:14<kristianpaul>dpkg, tell kristianpaul -about dpo
19:14<kristianpaul><dpkg> i dunno what is 'dpo'.
19:14<kristianpaul>ml|, so?
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19:14<ml|>kristianpaul: can't remember
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19:15<Guest1195>what is the best program to hide IP??? pls help
19:16<kristianpaul>Guest1081, tor could work
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19:16<kristianpaul>Guest1081, what u really want to do?
19:17<ml|>kristianpaul: is this what you are looking for? ...
19:17<kristianpaul>ml|, i know that but not found squeeze
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19:18<kristianpaul>ml|,look well there is not testing/squeze
19:19<_johan>ml|, removed old flash, installed flashplayer-mozilla and now it works great!
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19:19<kristianpaul>ml|, i just install debian squeez from bussines/netinstall
19:20<kristianpaul>ml|, as i see, my only way is cd1 from testing
19:20<kristianpaul>ml|, thanks anyway
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19:23<ml|>kristianpaul: i understand what you want to do, but there are no images of testing
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19:24<ml|>_johan: great glad it is working
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19:24<kristianpaul>ml|, i know, just was asking for confirm
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19:25<bja>I remember there is a way in mutt of searching within mail, I can't remember it, can someone help?
19:25<bja>From the browser window
19:25<S4tell1t3>who can tell me best software to surf anonymously?
19:25<ml|>kristianpaul: ok just posted link because wasn't sure if you ment buisness card or buisness card cd
19:26<bja>S4tell1t3: take a loot at tor
19:26<kristianpaul>ml|, np
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19:27<ml|>kristianpaul: why not just install lenny and move to testing
19:27<kristianpaul>ml|, did twice before, dont wanna wait so long
19:27<kristianpaul>ml|, i going to get cd1 better
19:28<kristianpaul>ml|, and install from net
19:28*kristianpaul is going to english talk
19:28<ml|>the netinst is best :)
19:28<kristianpaul>ml|, it is, but is not testing so... any way t
19:29<kristianpaul>ml|, bye :-)
19:29<amphi>bja: ~b if I recall correctly
19:29<ml|>l8r gl
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19:30<amphi>bja: no, not that - damn, I forget ;)
19:31<bja>amphi: That german is driving me nuts
19:31<bja>amphi: <ESC> b thanks any way
19:32<ml|>bja: i think it's /
19:32<amphi>bja: that was it
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19:34<bja>ml|: / is when you are inside the mail message
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19:34<ml|>bja: ok sry
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19:42<Mia_>can someone help me? please =)
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19:43<ml|>!tell Mia_ -about ask
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19:44<Mia_>I'm trying to burn Debian 5 dvd, I have burned first 2 dvd, and its okey, but DVD no-3, when I burn it its okey, but I can not see the files...
19:45<Mia_>I have tryed 3 diffrent burn software... and no ones works
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19:46<Mia_>no one, who can help me?
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19:48<ml|>Mia_: did you verify that the iso for dvd3 is good
19:48<abrotman>why would you need all the DVDs?
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19:49<ml|>abrotman: I thought the same but ya never know
19:49<abrotman>that's why i asked
19:49<Mia_>because I will soon install Debian Server, so I thought its better to have all dvd's
19:49<Mia_>its 2 first dvd's enough?
19:50<Mia_>for setting up a Server?
19:50<abrotman>i use the netinst
19:50<ml|>Mia_: netinst would better if you have good internet connection
19:50<Mia_>i have 0.250kbit ;)
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19:51<Mia_>what u think? its first 2 dvd's enough?
19:52<ml|>for server install it should be
19:52<ml|>you can grab what you need later
19:52<Mia_>from internet?
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19:56<abrotman>unless you're going ot have some obscure server setup .. should be far more than enough
20:00<Mia_>I want to install LAMP on it...
20:01<abrotman>easy enough
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20:03<lwljrw>what's the correct location for the mplayer plugin for firefox on debian?
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20:05<loop0>hi, I need some help, someone knows how to use policy-rc.d? I can't find usefull documentation
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20:06<loop0>actually I have a chroot environment and need to allow only courier and postfix init scripts to run
20:07<steves>is it possible to do away with network-manager completely and just use a static network address? if so, where do I find out how to accomplish this?
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20:08<loop0>steves: remove any related networkmanager and setup your static address in /etc/network/interfaces
20:08<loop0>remove any related networkmanager packages*
20:08<steves>as in "apt-get remove"?
20:09<abrotman>probably using aptitude
20:09<steves>looking now.
20:09<loop0>steves: dpkg -l | grep network-manager
20:10<loop0>steves: then remove every network-manager with apt-get remove <packagename>
20:11<bja>2nd time to make this wireless work. Anyone can help. b43-cutter installed, no extensions reported by iwconfig, pretty lost don't know what comes next?
20:11<loop0>steves: to configure your network interface with static ip you should read the man page: man interfaces
20:11<bja>no b43 kernel module installed so prety lost there too
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20:11<loop0>bja: did you try modprobe b43 ?
20:12<steves>loop0: I have already configured a static address for eth0 in interfaces.
20:12<bja>just did so
20:13<loop0>bja: lsmod | grep b43
20:13<bja>no iwconfig extensions .(
20:14<bja>loop0: b43 ssb rfkill pcmcia firmware_clas rng_core
20:14<loop0>bja: whats the output from dmesg when you load b43 module?
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20:14<loop0>bja: dmesg | grep b43
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20:14<bja>loop0: [35514.105975] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]
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20:15<loop0>bja: iwconfig wlan0
20:16<bja>loop0: No such device
20:16<loop0>bja: and if you just enter iwconfig? you get just no extensions?
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20:17<loop0>bja: did you installed b43-fwcutter by a debian package?
20:17<bja>loop0: yes
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20:17<bja>loop0: Research took me to ""
20:18<bja>loop0: bcm4312 on this hw
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20:21<loop0>bja: maybe theres no support to this device on b43 drive
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20:22<bja>loop0: Here "" says that there is partial support
20:22<bja>loop0: But then again I'm stuck (read as frustrated)
20:23<loop0>bja: what version of debian are you using?
20:23<bja>loop0: lenny
20:24<bja>loop0: 64 bit
20:24<loop0>bja: hmmm
20:25<loop0>bja: well, if you are using debian lenny stock kernel and installed b43-fwcutter by apt it should be working, maybe some bug with 64 kernels, I don't know
20:25<steves>ok, I have removed all network-manager packages using aptitude (and tried apt-get remove just to make sure). I still do not have any network capabilities when trying to use a webrowser.
20:26<bja>loop0: thx
20:26<loop0>steves: did you setup your interface at /etc/network/interfaces?
20:27<bja>loop0: install b43-cutter modprobe b43 and make sure the card is on thanks anyway cu
20:27<loop0>steves: refresh you network interface config with: ifdown ethX (where X is your eth number) then ifup ethX
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20:35<ed_debian>When I can't wake my computer after I suspend. None of the buttons on the keyboards, or the tower. Is there a config file to fix this?
20:35<ed_debian>none of the buttons do anything*
20:35<helpmesadface>Hey, can anyone help me with my problem - i want to setup cron to delete all the files inside a folder, but not the folder itself, possible?
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20:36<yaotzin>si buenas, estoy buscando algo de ayuda con una configuracion de impresora
20:36<ed_debian>rm /something/thefolder/*
20:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:37<ed_debian>will affect of the files inside "thefolder"
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20:38<ml|>man cron and man crontab for more info
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20:39<ml|>!tell helpmesadface -about cron
20:39<helpmesadface>Output from command rm /home/vnc/download/What.fatness/* ..
20:39<helpmesadface>rm: cannot remove `/home/vnc/download/What.fatness/Mike Oldfield - In Dulci Jubilo - The Mike Oldfield Christmas EP (flac)': Is a directory
20:39<helpmesadface>any tips? : (
20:39<ml|>rm -r
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20:41<helpmesadface><3 you guys : )
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21:08<enkoan>my lenny 501 ppc install keeps failing at "select and install software" with error messages;
21:08<enkoan>main-menu[811]: WARNING **: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1
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21:14<enkoan>keeps saying: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run dpkg --configure -a to fix
21:14<enkoan>arithmetic overlow while convcerting 0 days to a number of seconds
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21:15<mayra>hola alguien me puede ayudar
21:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:16<mayra>una propuesta para un enlace wifi entre 2 edificios
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21:17<mayra>estan mas o menos a una distancia de 400 mts con punto de vista
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22:17<cheo>alguien de habla hispana
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22:17<cheo>i need help
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22:18<abrotman>so ask your question
22:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:18<abrotman>or english here
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22:19<cheo>tank you
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22:40<hi>问一下 是不是ubuntu和debian 一样阿
22:40<abrotman>english ?
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23:54<johnfg>hi guys
23:55<johnfg>Anyone here using and familiar with kerberos?
23:55<johnfg>I'm trying to set it up and configure and use it per
23:55<johnfg>But I'm running into some problems.
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23:58<simonrvn>#kerberos on freenode
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