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00:02<johnfg>simonrvn, OK, thanks, I tried #kerberos from this server, but was alone!
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00:15<ed_debian>How can I change what button brings my system out of suspend to RAM ?
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00:33<shze>if I compile a vanilla kernel using kernel-package 12.* and I get a panic unable to mount root-fs, did I just forget the setup of post[inst|rm]_hook?
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00:33<valdyn>shze: you forgot the --initrd
00:34<shze>valdyn: no, I did use that
00:38<shze>04/27/2009 was last successful compile of .30-rc3, before I upgraded, and kernel-package 11.017->12.009 was among those upgrades
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00:44<enouf>!can't mount root filesystem
00:44<enouf>!can't mount root
00:44<dpkg>If you can't mount the root file system when you boot your custom kernel, it means you have failed to include support for either: (a) your root file system (e.g. ext3), or (b) your disk controller (IDE, SCSI, etc.). These cannot be modules, unless you use an initrd. Go check your config again. or make sure your bootloader knows about your initrd
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00:46<enouf>shze: the stuff (scripts) that used to be in /etc/initramfs-tools/* is now somewhere in /etc/kernel/* IINM
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00:48<enouf>shze: see
00:48<shze>enouf: I'm using the same config with .30-rc4 that worked with .30-rc3, and I did not upgrade major pkgs
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00:51<shze>enouf: yeah, but I'll try the other kernel-package versions (latest 12.* and last 11.*) before that
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00:52<shze>I just want to save unnecessary compiles, since my laptop is not the fastest anymore :)
00:53<enouf>heh, try a p2 or a 586 even ... then you can whine :-)
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00:55<shze>I don't want to whine, of course you can use a p2, but it takes very long..
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01:35<Arv3n>hi all.
01:36<Arv3n>does anyone know why generic.all_generic_ide=1 isnt working anymore in debian lenny?
01:36<Arv3n>it's _crucial_ to getting my hardwork working to install debian lenny.
01:36<Arv3n>was the boot option changed? anyone know..? any ideas?
01:36<jm_>why would that be crucial?
01:37<Arv3n>because my cdrom drive isn't detected without it.
01:37<Arv3n>been trying since debian was released to get my drive working.
01:37<jm_>what kind of CD-ROM is it?
01:37<Arv3n>im not sure, i think its the chipset.
01:37<Arv3n>you want an lspci?
01:38<Arv3n>im pretty sure if i got that boot option working id get my cdrom drive working.
01:38<jm_>let me see if that option is still listed
01:39<Arv3n>its on the cd still. =/
01:39<jm_>it lists it yes
01:39<enouf>Arv3n: try install libata.atapi_enabled=1
01:39<Arv3n>and thats the same?
01:40<jm_>it disables libata atapi support by default or what? that would be rather backwards, it's 2009
01:40<Arv3n>let me go try it. :)
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01:47<Arv3n>whoever i was talking to before, it didn't work. said "unknown boot option, ignoring.." just like generic.all_generic_ide=1
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01:49<jm_>yeah libata atapi is enabled since 2.6.16 or somesuch
01:50<Arv3n>so then..
01:50<Arv3n>is there any other alternative to the generic.all_generic_ide=1 boot option?
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01:51<Arv3n>pretty desperate here.
01:51<Arv3n>this also affects debian based distros
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01:52<jm_>Arv3n: the "Unknown boot message' is from kernel, the options is for installerhow about if you use just 'all_generic_ide=1' ?
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01:52<Arv3n>i think i've tried that and it didn't work.
01:52<Arv3n>is there anything elsei should try?
01:52<jm_>are you sure you tried it?
01:52<Arv3n>pretty sure.
01:52<Arv3n>ive been working at this since debian lenny was released. :)
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01:53<jm_>and you remember every single thing you tried?
01:53<Arv3n>i guess. o_O
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01:54<Arv3n>actually, let me go try that again.
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02:26<andy>is anybody here?
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02:27<tarzeau>yes i am
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02:27<andy>can u tell me where r u from?
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02:29<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
02:31<Supaplex>those charaters don't mean anything on my terminal here.
02:31<andy>I see
02:31<andy>Thank you
02:31<Supaplex>some day I'll use a framebuffer, but until then, it's good ole ascii on 132x60 vesa.
02:32<petern>they render here, but i don't understand them :)
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03:23<Dominique>hi! is there a good bittorrent client for debian? I wanted a light weight small sized one.
03:23<Dominique>which one jm?
03:23<jm_>Dominique: I recommend rtorrent
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03:24<Dominique>little more than 2MB. Nice! Azureus/vuze is 188MB. Thnx jm_
03:24<kenyon>I use transmission for bittorrent. It seems lightweight enough to me, and very good.
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03:25<jm_>Dominique: you can also find web interface for it (uses its xmlrpc interface)
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03:26<Dominique>I'm new to debian. How do i get information about a package using apt?
03:26<Supaplex>jm_: "it" as in rtorrent?
03:26<OkropNick>I like and recommend Transmission
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03:27<Dominique>I'm new to debian. How do i get information about a package with apt command??
03:27<stuckey_>Dominique: apt-cache show x, where x is the name of the package.
03:27<kenyon>Dominique: aptitude show packagename
03:27<jm_>Supaplex: indeed
03:27<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at , also . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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03:27<nas>how to get a /dev/random or /dev/urandom
03:28<enouf>let udev make them? along with /dev/zero and /dev/null ?
03:28<nas>how to get a /dev/random and /dev/urandom
03:28<Dominique>does 'apt-cache show' show size in kb?
03:28<kenyon>Dominique: aptitude show does
03:29<kenyon>and so does apt-cache
03:29<Dominique>is that in kb? it doesn't mention units.
03:29<kenyon>oh, I see
03:29<kenyon>looks like bytes from apt-cache
03:30<kenyon>but that's the size of the deb file
03:30<nas>thanks enouf
03:30<Dominique>okay. which one is better now? rtorrent or transmission?
03:30<nas>guys anyone recommend a good load balancer?
03:30<Dominique>i'm aware rtorrent only installs cli
03:32<stuckey_>rtorrent is better.
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03:34<Supaplex>nas: depends on what you define by load. that's a very unspecific kind of question regarding load.
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03:35<nas>as in a load balancer server like load balancer for mail servers?
03:36<nas>i know IPVS, is there something nicer?
03:36<Supaplex>what would you expect in something nicer?
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03:38<Supaplex>or why is ipvs not to your liking?
03:38<nas>because it can't be installed in a vserver
03:39<nas>not sure though if it can be installed in xen guest server
03:41<Supaplex>ahh. something nicer isn't what you're after. vserver has limitations you're attempting to workaround.
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03:43<Supaplex>I think xinetd can round robin.
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03:44<nas>ok i'll check
03:44<nas>xinetd is a load balancer?
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03:45<Supaplex>no. it's an inetd replacement
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03:46<nas>yeah that's right
03:46<Supaplex>is there any reason you cannot use the mx priority mechanism to influence your load balancing of mail?
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03:47<nas>cannot use
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03:47<nas>really need a load balancer
03:47<nas>what u recommending xinetd for?
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03:48<Supaplex>vserver limitations don't restrict it.
03:48<RattusRattus>morning all
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03:49<RattusRattus>has anybody seen the following error message (in dmesg)
03:49<RattusRattus>EXT3-fs error (device sdb1): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - blocks from 622827, length 1
03:50<RattusRattus>I started receiving them shortly before the whole filesytstem fell over
03:50<Supaplex>nas: iptables may also be able to fan out your connections to backend boxes... but ipvs seems more elegant.
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03:52<matei>hi all
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03:55<nuscire>hello, all. how can i invoke screen with a specific encoding, other than setting it within the screen program?
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03:56<action09>nuscire i don't know but llok maybe to adda aparmeter in .screenrc ?
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03:57<jm_>nuscire: set it before you start screen
03:57<Supaplex>I think that's what he's asking
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03:58<stevem_>Lo, is there a way I can find out if the new 2.7.0 intel drivers will work on debian lenny? - I've been trying to backport them (and all the zillion dependencies) without much luck
03:59<chris14>where can i find a list of datasystemtypes? got a type 27 which is unknown to fdisk
03:59<jm_>stevem_: yeah tried that too, I gave up ;)
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03:59<nuscire>action09, jm_: but i don't want a permanent setting in .screenrc. i just want invoke it with a parameter, as action09 said.
03:59<jm_>chris14: in fdisk do l
03:59<stevem_>jm_ I'm thinking of just adding Sid and then removing it (binary :P) but I don't wanna screw up
03:59<chris14>it's 27 and it's unknown
04:00<jm_>stevem_: sid has newer xorg
04:00<Supaplex>stevem_: you can try weakening the dependencies by removing the version numbers in the debian/control file. most packages rely on ./configure scripts. also, if there are spurious dependencies you know you don't need, you can edit those out, and adjust the configure --without-libfoo etc.
04:00<stevem_>thats waaaay beyond me
04:00<jm_>then use google, I see 27 means several things
04:01<stevem_>I just wish these intel drivers had an installer similar to the nvidia ones
04:01<stevem_>i.e. build a kernel module
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04:01<jm_>stevem_: kernel module comes with the kernel for it
04:01<chris14>jm_ i did, no lists anywhere, the 27 is always part of the date
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04:02<stevem_>jm_, I never use them tho - just get the headers and compile against
04:02<jm_>chris14: first hit on google,
04:02<stevem_>I must have backported like 30 packages now
04:02<stevem_>it's backporting linux itself now! :(
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04:03<jm_>yeah I find it hillarious when they say intel driver for X is so great - bullshit, try getting it working on a released distro 2 months after new chipset is released, it's a total nightmare
04:03<stevem_>jm_, My issue is any full screen game that Cedega or Crossover or Wine runs... bombs out X totally... any native or windowed game seems to work fine
04:03<chris14>jm_ thx, must have been blind
04:04<stevem_>It must be the intel drivers I'm thinking
04:04<lukasz>Hello, my problem is that aptitude has disappeared from my system. How can I return it?
04:04<stevem_>X literally just restarts
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04:05*enouf *shudders* @ "any full screen game that Cedega or Crossover or Wine runs"
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04:05<action09>nuscire maybe encoding command wil help
04:06<nuscire>action09: get it. looking through. thank you, action09!
04:06<action09>nuscire anyway i don't know how to execute the encoding command ..
04:08<nuscire>action09: me, either. I find a solution of some sort: LC_ALL=foo screen.
04:08<Supaplex>if /usr is static, can it usually be mounted ro? (except for updates)
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04:08<enouf>pretty sure, yeah
04:09<Supaplex>I have a router I'd like to start locking down. migrating it from openwrt. :)
04:09<enouf>Supaplex: * /usr -- Largely stable. Can be mounted read-only except for package upgrades.
04:09<Supaplex>that, and a 8gb cf :)
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04:10<Supaplex>ouu execellent. thanks
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04:12<enouf>Supaplex: i believe the author is accepting suggestions/wisdom/corrections/thoughts since that page was fairly recently updated - so feel free to contact them
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04:16<Supaplex>which reminds me, I should run a spare dhcp server on the lan so the router can tftpboot if it's failing etc. humm this'll be fun.
04:17<action09>nuscire: "C+a :" to enter a command (similar as in vim) and "dinfo" as a command will display the currents settings, to change encoding "encoding utf-8" as the command e.g
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04:18<Supaplex>noauto on /boot, and immutable has saved me from accidently updating when the boot drive is missing. :) (usb key)
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04:34<SARC>Could anyone help me with a libpam-mysql issue?
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04:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask, or <htasq>
04:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask, or <htasq>
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04:36<SARC>i have a problem (as you know) with libpam-mysql
04:36<SARC>i am running debian 5
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04:37<SARC>i cannot store the users password
04:37<SARC>in the same format as passwd stores the passwrod
04:39<jm_>SARC: how so?
04:39<SARC>passwd creates a hashed derivation of the password
04:39<jm_>yes and?
04:39<SARC>i need to generate the same output from a password as a string in an application
04:40<SARC>ok use crypt with what salt
04:40<SARC>or does it matter?
04:40<weasel>depends on what you want to do
04:40<jm_>libpam-mysql supports several types ofpassswords, one of them being crypt(3)
04:40<Supaplex>any salt. or if you're comparing, the same salt.
04:40<weasel>a random salt if you're setting password, same salt to verify
04:40<SARC>so any salt will do to store it
04:41<weasel>it should be random
04:41<SARC>but what happens when the user tries to log in and a different salt is used
04:41<SARC>it wont match, correct?
04:41<weasel>Fri 10:40:38 <weasel> a random salt if you're setting password, same salt to verify
04:41<weasel> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
04:41<SARC>how is that helpful?
04:42<SARC>i dont even know what salt the system uses to log the user in
04:42<weasel>yes you do
04:42<weasel>it's in the hashed password output
04:42<Supaplex>SARC: because anything that's verifying the password better be using the same salt. it's not the user's job to control that.
04:42<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ mkpasswd -H md5
04:42<weasel> ^^^^^^^^ salt
04:42<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ mkpasswd
04:42<weasel>^^ salt
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04:43<weasel>so just use crypt ($entered_password, $stored_password)
04:43<weasel>and compare the output with stored_password
04:43<SARC>i guess i dont understand what happens behind the scenes when a user logs into the system
04:44<weasel>clearly not
04:44<jm_>I fail to see why the question started with libpam-mysql
04:44<SARC>does it take the stored password and it knows what the salt is
04:45<Supaplex>the system has access to the hash. the software responsible for that reads the stored hash, takes the salt, encryptes the GIVEN password, then compares them both. if they match, then we know the given password is what made the stored password.
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04:45<Supaplex>we even have source code for it. :)
04:46<SARC>so to store the password in my database, i only need to encrypt it with ENCRYPT(str, salt) where salt is a random 2 byte value?
04:46<SARC>is that accurate?
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04:46<jm_>no it can't be random
04:46<weasel>SARC: yes
04:46<weasel>SARC: well
04:46<weasel>SARC: you should use md5 crypt at least,
04:46<weasel>SARC: and then the salt needs to be more than just two bytes
04:46<weasel>SARC: but in principle you are correct
04:46<weasel>jm_: rubbish
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04:48<SARC>do i md5 the password before i crypt or do i md5 the crypted value
04:48<tcsetattr>man 3 crypt, and you will see a list of the different salt types and which hash algorithm they use. $1$ is for MD5. the 2-byte salt without any dollar signs is for the older DES algorithm
04:48<Supaplex>md5 the crypted value would be pointless
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04:49<tcsetattr>so stick a $1$ on the front of your random string when you crypt a new password for the first time, and it'll use the MD5 crypt.
04:50<SARC>crypt(some_password, $1$random_salt) >
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04:51<Supaplex>heh, is this a school assignment?
04:51<tcsetattr>yes. or $5$ for SHA1, or whatever you like from man 3 crypt. and choose your random characters from the proper set of 64 characters, also conveniently described in crypt(3)
04:51<SARC>its a work assignment
04:51<SARC>ive been locked in the office for 16 hours already today
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04:52<SARC>not really :)
04:53<Supaplex>I assume you're also reading the developer man pages for crypt etc.
04:53<Supaplex>I would trust that over my own recall. =)
04:54<Supaplex>concept, no problem. code? uh, it's been a year or two since I coded anything using those functions.
04:54<SARC>the man for salt says two bytes for the salt
04:55<SARC>err the man for crypt
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04:55<weasel>that's talking about DES crypt
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04:56<SARC>I am looking at
04:57<SARC>yes DES
04:57<SARC>so i need to find a different man page
04:57<tcsetattr>looking on the web for man pages? apt-get install manpages-dev ; man 3 crypt
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04:57<Supaplex>!+info libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl
04:58<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
04:58*Supaplex turns the hand crank of doom
04:58<dpkg>libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl: (interoperable MD5-based crypt() for perl), section perl, is optional. Version: 1.3-9 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
04:59<SARC>supaplex : do i need to install something?
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05:00<Supaplex>you could apt-get source it, and take a look.
05:00<tcsetattr>you need to install proper man pages, and read the whole thing not just the top half. DES is in the top half because that's what's portable.
05:01<tcsetattr>that perl module looks pretty unnecessary. perl's builtin crypt supports whatever the libc crypt() supports, so on Debian it'll do MD5. perl -le 'print crypt q/foo/, q/$1$Imasalt/'
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05:02<SARC>I see now
05:02<SARC>so i need to srand limiting the range of acceptable values to make up to a 16-byte salt
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05:03<tcsetattr>where you get your randomness is another question entirely.
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05:04<SARC>im a little confused about the encrypted value
05:04*Supaplex asks /dev/random nicely for two bytes, and discards the high bit
05:04<Supaplex>s/two/a few/
05:04<SARC>"The encrypted part of the password string is the actual computed password."
05:05<Supaplex>hint. it's not the salt, and it's not the id.
05:05<Supaplex>obviously you're not going to keep the password in plain text. otherwise it's not encrypted/hashed anymore. right?
05:05<SARC>thats right
05:06<Supaplex>so, what part is it? (pop quiz)
05:06<SARC>are there two steps involved or only one
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05:06<SARC>i thought that crypt encrypted the password
05:06<weasel>it does.
05:06<tcsetattr>what's a step? if you count CPU instructions, it's a lotta steps.
05:06<SARC>then why does it want the encrypted password as input
05:06<weasel>tcsetattr: you're so very helpful :)
05:07<weasel>SARC: for what part? for verification it will want both, the entered and the stored. the latter for the seed
05:07<SARC>i am talking about creating the value to store in my database when the password is first created
05:07<tcsetattr>creating a password could be described in these steps: 1. get some random bits from somewhere, for salt. 2. get the user to enter the password twice, and make sure they match, to catch typos. 3. crypt() them. 4. store the result in the passwd database
05:07<weasel>SARC: crypt once. input is entered password, random salt.
05:08<Supaplex>why are you reinventing the wheel?
05:08<Supaplex>why not ask crypt() to do its job?
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05:08<SARC>supaplex: i am trying to do just that very thing
05:08<SARC>but i dont understand how it works
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05:08<SARC>so what do i use to store the password for the first time?
05:09<tcsetattr>oh yeah... 3.5. bzero the plaintext password to minimize the amount of time it spends sitting around in memory :)
05:09<SARC>crypt($1$salt$plaintext_password) ?
05:09<weasel>SARC: crypt takes _two_ arguments
05:09<weasel> char *crypt(const char *key, const char *salt);
05:09<tcsetattr>crypt() takes 2 arguments! if you've read the crypt(3) man page you'd have noticed that
05:09<SARC>crypt(password $1$salt$plaintext_password) ?
05:09<weasel>SARC: which language?
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05:10<weasel>then read the fucking manpage
05:10<SARC>i read the fucking man page
05:10<tcsetattr>what language are you writing that in, where you have strings crammed together without quotes and no commas between function arguments?
05:10<weasel>then you know it takes two parameters.
05:10<SARC>i said that an hour ago
05:10<weasel>Fri 11:09:07 <SARC> crypt($1$salt$plaintext_password) ?
05:10<weasel>yeah, right
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05:12<SARC>so crypt(plaintext_password, $1$random_16_byte_salt$plaintext_password)
05:12<SARC>i use the plaintext_password twice? thats what i am trying to ask
05:13<Supaplex>ahh heck with it. I'll install a -486 kernel until I know the cyrix will boot the -686 one. *sigh*.
05:13<SARC>someone who can explain this better, please help
05:13<weasel>SARC: crypt(plaintext_password, $1$random_16_byte_salt)
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05:13<weasel>come on, use the web. you aren't the first person to use this
05:13<SARC>so i only use $encrypted when i am comparing passwords?
05:13<tcsetattr>no. $1$salt$pass is the OUTPUT of crypt. You only have to give it the $1$salt part, and the plaintext password.
05:14<weasel>SARC: this isn't so hard. just try it
05:14<jm_>SARC: you use encrypted for *salt*
05:14<tcsetattr>when comparing it later, you do strcmp(crypt(enteredpass, storedpass), storedpass) -- the storedpass is used twice, once for the salt and once for the comparison
05:14<Supaplex>SARC: what's your profession normally anyway?
05:15<Supaplex>!caffinate SARC
05:15*dpkg gives SARC a bottle of Coke
05:15<SARC>it sure as hell isnt linux :-D
05:15<Supaplex>humor us :)
05:16<SARC>its windows :-D
05:16<SARC>.net development
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05:16<OdyX>!fire SARC
05:16<dpkg>I'm sorry, SARC, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff.
05:16<Supaplex>does that ever entail writing c code?
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05:16<Supaplex>I'm unedumacated in the .net arts.
05:17<SARC>i have to do way too many things
05:17<SARC>email admin, web admin, sql admin, development, marketing, sales, etc
05:17<SARC>you name it i do it
05:17<SARC>so im not exactly an expert in everything
05:17<tcsetattr>store(crypt(newpass, strcat(hashtype_tag, randomstuff))); strcmp(crypt(enteredpass, storedpass), storedpass); that's the whole thing. not complicated at all. of course if you don't know WHY salt exists, you might get dizzy trying to use it.
05:17<Supaplex>except human resources. :P
05:18<SARC>but i do appreciate your help
05:18<SARC>because you cant be an expert if you dont learn anything in the first place
05:19<Anoniss>could some people guide me trough making my virtual server more secure? I'm getting brute forced and last week they managed to hack it
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05:19<Anonissimus>some setbacks: kernel is 2.4 and iptables seems to be acting up
05:21<Supaplex>Anonissimus: hacked to what level? root? anything special?
05:22<Anonissimus>they brute forceed my root account
05:22<Supaplex>you can't trust the box anymore.
05:22<Supaplex>See section E
05:22<jm_>why didn't you disable remote root logins?
05:22<Anonissimus>Supaplex: I reinstalled it from scratch
05:22<Supaplex>step 1. disable remote root logins.
05:22<Anonissimus>yeah doing that now and changin the default port
05:22<Supaplex>create a strong passphrase.
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05:22<petemc>Anonissimus: you spent a day wasting everyones time trying vainly to upgrade that box, perhaps its time you gave up and looked for another vps provider
05:23<Supaplex>default port is meaningless if they want back in. anyone with nmap can identify service running on another port.
05:23<Anonissimus>petemc: it's working now :) apache running, ftp running
05:23<petemc>all old as hell, and now compromised
05:23<Anonissimus>compromised couple days ago, now it's clean
05:24<Supaplex>don't assume unless you truely wiped it and reinstalled.
05:24<Supaplex>and in a controlled setting.
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05:25<Anonissimus>Supaplex: I reinstalled everything
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05:25<Anonissimus>so yeah it's clean now
05:25<Supaplex>so iptables is acting up.
05:25<dpkg>i guess harden is D:SbD, or, or read
05:26<Anonissimus>iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root)
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05:26<Anonissimus>Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
05:26<petemc>which you cant do
05:26<melkart>if i just want to encrypt a single file with a passphrase known only to me, which is the simplest way to do it?
05:26<Supaplex>Anonissimus: stop pm me.
05:26<jm_>melkart: gpg
05:27<melkart>jm_: thank you... i hoped for something simpler, though... at first attempt it complained that i didnt set up a public key and i dont feel like reading the extensive man page for it... but if i have to :/
05:27<OdyX>melkart: gpg --symmetric
05:27<tcsetattr>gpg -c file
05:27<OdyX>--symmetric is -c ;)
05:28<tcsetattr>or --symmetric if you wanna type more.
05:28<Supaplex>Anonissimus: if you are root, then what's running the kernel? openvz?
05:28<jm_>melkart: you don't need that, use gpg -c
05:28<Supaplex>Anonissimus: or vserver?
05:28<melkart>thank you very much! that is really simple :)
05:28<Anonissimus>vserver, but a very old build it seems
05:29<Supaplex>even new builds of vserver don't have iptables support.
05:29<Supaplex>see the vserver faq. those capabilities are only available to the host, as no one has completely abstracted it.
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05:38<Anonissimus>Supaplex: adding faulty logins ip's to /etc/host.deny will also work right?
05:39<Supaplex>hosts.deny, yeah.
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05:39<dpkg>fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. Also ask me about <denyhosts> and <iptables ssh filter>.
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05:45<Supaplex>Anonissimus: looks like denyhosts is up your alley.
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05:48<Anonissimus>configuring fail2ban
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05:52<Anonissimus>Supaplex: but fail2ban will fail as it tries to add something to iptables which doesn't work
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05:54<petemc>Anonissimus: you can use tcpwrappers and a script which parses auth.log
05:54<petemc>(like was suggested to you days ago)
05:54<Supaplex>humm. let's call it denyhosts.
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05:57<Anonissimus>thanks a lot, I'll parse the log and add the ip's to denyhost, disable root login and will ask for a kernel opdate to my provider
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05:58<Supaplex>don't forget a beer for petemc.
05:59<petemc>woo :)
05:59<petemc>bit early, but it is friday
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06:02<Supaplex>humm.. is there a kernel option to avoid swap. router only has flash for swap, and I'd rather avoid it unless it's really neccessary.
06:02<jm_>remove it from fstab?
06:02<locklace>how about just not turning on swap?
06:02<Supaplex>what if I run out of ram temporarily?
06:02<jm_>good luck :)
06:03<locklace>then you're screwed?
06:03<petemc>theres the swappiness setting in 2.6 kernels
06:03<locklace>not sure what you're expecting. :)
06:03<Supaplex>not totally avoid using it, but avoid if possible. obviously the cost of using swap is, the flash can wear out.
06:04<Supaplex>ouu. there's even a factoid for it. humm
06:04<locklace>ok, the swappiness might be of some help there then
06:04<Supaplex>yeah. I'd rather starve cache in this situation.
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06:09<keith>Debian 5.0 I have a "FreeAgent Drive" ie an external hard drive but it gives an error message "Can't be mounted". How do I mount it? I assume I modify fstab.
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06:15<locklace>keith: is the drive even detected by the kernel
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06:17<keith>locklace: Yes it is shown on the Desktop under Computer, along with the other drives.
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06:21<locklace>keith: that doesn't mean anything to me, what does "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" say
06:22<keith>It's listed on the Desktop by it's trade name "FreeAgent Drive" so I assume the kernel recognizes it.
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06:23<adb>dmesg may get some info too
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06:24<locklace>keith: probably, but that's not of any help in working with it, hence the request
06:25<jm_>keith: also check if it shows up in /proc/partitions
06:26<keith>locklace: /proc/scsi/scsi gives "permission denied"
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06:26<adb>do as root ...
06:26<jm_>keith: cat it, don't run it
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06:30<locklace>while we're waiting for keith to figure out cat, i'm going to guess that this drive just has one big dos partition and it got automounted by hal
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06:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
06:34<kurumin>alguem ai?
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06:34<kurumin>there are anybody here?
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06:35<keith>cat /proc/scsi/scsi gives attached devices Host scsi0 channel:00 Id:00 lun:00 Vendor ATA Model Maxtor 6x080E0 Rev:VA11 Type : Direct Access
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06:45<keith>/proc/partitions gives Sda 1 ,2.5 and DM 0 to 5 if that is useful info
06:45<adb>!tell keith about usb mount
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06:46<jm_>ahh device mapper?
06:46<keith>adb: Tell me
06:46<adb>read bot message
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06:46<jm_>perhaps you need to add yourself to the right group if icon is already there
06:47<jm_>but I don't know how DE-s & HAL work
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06:52<alephnull>I have installed a package oracle-instantclient11.1-basic and libdbd-oracle-perl depends on oracle-instantclient-basic.
06:52<alephnull>Is there a way to tell dpkg that the two are the same package ?
06:52<jm_>oracle-instantclient11.1-basic can do that yes
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06:54<alephnull>jm_: Can I do that ? I generated the deb from an rpm.
06:54<Knut23>-about permissons
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06:57<jm_>alephnull: or to make it simpler, why not just rename the package so it's not oracle-instantclient11.1-basic ?
06:58<alephnull>jm_: ok. But I do not build these rpms. Can I inject a Provides: using alien ?
06:58<adb>!tell Knut23 about permissions
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06:58<alephnull>jm_: Oh, it's just the file name ?
06:58<kampasky>Hi, what is the official way to adjust keyboard repeat rate in debian unstable?
06:58<kampasky>(What's strange is even that I actually _need_ to change this, usually the defaults are fine by me, but with switch to debian, the rate is awfully slow.)
06:59<jm_>alephnull: I think so yes, otherwise simply use alien -g and edit the files
06:59<jm_>kampasky: it doesn't honour your BIOS setting for it?
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07:00<kampasky>jm_: hmm, i will check on next reboot, i didn't expect that settings to carry over at all :)
07:00<jm_>kampasky: well you can set it in /etc/console-tools/config
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07:02<kampasky>jm_: I don't even have the corresponding package installed; will that really have effect in X?
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07:03<locklace>kampasky: use xset
07:03<kampasky>locklace: but where to put it if I want to retain the standard xsession initialization sequence/
07:04<locklace>kampasky: how are you starting x
07:05<alephnull>jm_: Thanks. I edited the Package: line and it seems ok.
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07:06<actatux>is there a command like chkconfig (rhel) in debian
07:07<kampasky>locklace: startx
07:07<actatux>in order to enable/disable services at startup
07:07<kampasky>for now :)
07:07<locklace>kampasky: ok, what i do is put init commands in .xinitrc and then as the last line, ". /etc/X11/Xsession"
07:08<locklace>i haven't figured out what the heck debian has done to the x startup processing yet, to be honest, but that works for me
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07:09<ml|>!tell Knut23 -about dpkgbot
07:10<actatux>found it : update-rc.d
07:10<kampasky>locklace: that's actually exactly what I did, with no effect... I'll debug that further
07:10<locklace>kampasky: hm. does it work if you run xset once x is already up?
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07:11<kampasky>i'll sprinkle around some debugprints
07:11<locklace>kampasky: ok. i have had some minor issues with doing things this way too, and i think it's because of what debian does to the x startup script stuff, but haven't gotten around to figuring it completely yet
07:11<locklace>kampasky: in this case the other option is just to set the appropriate options in your xorg.conf, see "man xorg.conf | less +/^SERVERFLAGS"
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07:15<jm_>kampasky: ahh X, no X has its own method for this
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07:16<jm_>there's no need to do that, just add myapp1 & myapp2 & ... myde/wm/whatever in ~/.xsession
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07:17<kampasky>locklace: but the problem is that keyboard is no longer configured in xorg.conf
07:17<kampasky>so i'd have to create my own fdi file for this and i've already read two failure stories of people who didn't manage to figure that out
07:17<jm_>kampasky: it can be
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07:19<kampasky>oh, .xinitrc now works for me, i don't know what changed :/
07:19<kampasky>thanks all anyway :)
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07:21<locklace>i don't know anything about hal but i'm already starting to hate it
07:21<locklace>is my antipathy justified
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07:21<Knut23>How do I set file permissons for Samba-Users?
07:22<action09>actatux yes you can use also sysv-rc-conf to manage services easily
07:22<locklace>Knut23: do you think that the sambda documentation might have anything to say on that subject
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07:22<Knut23>I only can find the smbpasswd manpage
07:22<Knut23>is there any other for samba?
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07:23<locklace>!fgi Knut23 samba-documentation
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07:38<Knut23>I've changed an files modes to 0777 and the owner and the group both to the user I'm accessing it with samba, what could be still wrong due to I'm unable to edit or delete anything, but can read the direcotry?!
07:38<Knut23>any ideas?
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07:48<ml|>Knut23: did you change permissions on files also or just the dir?
07:50<eljefe_>Knut23 samba permissions are somewhat different, it depends what you have in /etc/samba/smb.conf
07:50<Knut23>on the files as well
07:51<ml|>yeah had hunch the sambe permissions might be diffrent
07:51<Knut23>aaaah I see
07:51<ml|>but I don't use samba :p
07:52<eljefe_>is "writable = no" set?
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07:52<eljefe_>you could also try adding "write list = user1, user2, @somegroup" if you wanted
07:52<Knut23>it works now, thx to you guys :)
07:53<eljefe_>what it was?
07:53<ml|>!beer eljefe_
07:53*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for eljefe_
07:55<eljefe_>thanks but its a bit early where i am at...
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07:56<eljefe_>well dpkg since you already /pured/ it...
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07:58<locklace>!coffee eljefe_
07:58*dpkg decants a fine brew of hippy-blend Peruvian for eljefe_, courtesy of locklace
07:59<locklace>i'm looking at this udev/hal/dbus stuff
07:59<locklace>there's got to be a better way. :(
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08:01<eljefe_>than what, locklace? I confess I am not too familiar with the setup
08:02<locklace>here's a little summary:
08:02<eljefe_>"...this is the same as an email I sent in April 2006 to a mailing list of friends" still the same situration, 3 years later?
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08:05<locklace>hasn't changed that much afaict
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08:09<Aleric>My sound stopped working, as usual :/ ... and now alsaconf is gone! I just did an apt-get upgrade and reboot :/
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08:11<Aleric>How am I supposed to configure my sound now?
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08:12<locklace>it should "just work". any luck with alsamixer
08:12<locklace>did the upgrade change your kernel
08:12<Aleric>It always configures the wrong sound card.
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08:12<Aleric>I have to tell it to use the right soundcard.
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08:13<eljefe_>*that* part certainly drives me nuts; i wish it would use ALL cards by default
08:13<Aleric>Why was alsaconf removed??? It was a life saver!
08:14<shiznatix>Hello. I have had lenny installed for a few weeks now and for some reason today I keep getting a "can not eject volume" error for no reason what so ever. It pops up every few minutes and I can't figure it out. How can I get this to go away?
08:14<LqR>Hello, I am running an email server with postfix and dovecot, and I'd like some sort of refiling of email on arrival to different IMAP mail boxes, where should I begin looking for help?
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08:17<eljefe_>LqR most email clients can do that, not good enough?
08:17<eljefe_>shiznatix: does it say which device?
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08:19<shiznatix>eljefe_, no, it just is a simple error dialog that says it can't eject the volume and the only button is the "cancel" one
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08:20<shiznatix>err, it says "cannot eject volume" in big bold letters then says "cannot eject the volume." in smaller letters and there is a "ok" button and thats it (i just got another one)
08:20<eljefe_>gnome or kde? you might want to ask in #debian-gnome or #debian-kde for that then, or open a terminal and see what the last few ines of 'dmesg' say
08:21<shiznatix>its gnome
08:21<shiznatix>and nobody is in debian-gnome :(
08:21<eeeuser>shiznatix: I am coming into this a bit late, but do you have a file open of the device (lsof)?
08:21<eljefe_>cause they've wisend up that gnome is no good?
08:21*eljefe_ ducks
08:22*shiznatix throws spear
08:22<shiznatix>eeeuser, lsof gives a huge list of everything, I can past the 3 error lines that come from dmesg if thats not going to be considered spam
08:23<eljefe_>does the dmesg stuff say which device? or just paste onto one line
08:23<eeeuser>shiznatix: try lsof | grep media
08:23<LqR>eljefe_: Well, I'm using an emacs-based client (Wanderlust) and it can do that, but it's not very fast.
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08:24<shiznatix>dmesg says: [94906.970377] hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } [94906.970382] ide: failed opcode was: unknown [94906.970384] hda: drive not ready for command
08:24<Aleric>How can I get my sound working again? :((
08:25<eljefe_>shiznatix: /dev/hda huh is that the cd/dvd drive?
08:25<eljefe_>LqR: maybe this might help
08:27<shiznatix>eljefe_, I think it might be. a weird thing that i see now is that when I open nautilus i don't see my cd drive on the left column
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08:27<eljefe_>in the terminal run 'mount'
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08:27<Anonissimus>!dpkg mail
08:27<dpkg>i guess mail is a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out.
08:28<LqR>eljefe_: It sure looks that way. Thanks!
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08:29<Anonissimus>any good tutorials on setting up your own mail server, and what protocol should I use?
08:30<locklace>Anonissimus: smtp has been known to work
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08:30<petemc>Anonissimus: there is really only one protocol, unless you mean for your clients to access mail, in which case its easy to provide imap and pop3
08:31<Anonissimus>petemc: imap was the one I was looking for :) thnx again
08:31<eljefe_>shiznatix: yeah no /dev/hda there meaning the cd/dvd isn't mounted. can you reboot to have hal/udev/whatever try to restart? or you can try that manually but it may be messy
08:31<petemc>dovecot with exim or postfix is a popular combo
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08:32<eljefe_>shiznatix in the terminal you can try mounting the cd (with something in the drive) and see what happens, then umount it and try to eject then? "sudo mount /dev/hda" and then "sudo umount /dev/hda" and then "eject /dev/hda" or "sudo eject /dev/hda"
08:33<shiznatix>eljefe_, I will try a reboot then in a bit once i don't have a million things going on. i have had problems with this cd rom before so it could just be crap hardware
08:33<eljefe_>could be
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08:41<locklace>this drepper person is a real prize
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08:42<ranix>real pain in the dick more like
08:42<ranix>even *I* have had a bug report get shot down by hans
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08:42<ranix>I have submitted maybe 3 patches and less than 20 bug reports to anything ever
08:42<ranix>wwhy, what's he doing now
08:44<jm_>locklace: are you saying that with regards to eglibc stuff?
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08:45<jm_>but yes, I share your opinion - any idiot who thinks application that worked with old linux threads implementation and used some non-common features because nothing else was available, and which glibc then broke with new threads implementation, is nothing else but a moron
08:46<shiznatix>Ok I have another problem. I am trying to get eclipse to work properly and for the plugin I want someone says I need java 6. I have sun-java6-jre and all those installed but when I do java --version it says 1.5.0. How do I get java to be version 6?
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08:47<jm_>shiznatix: you must have two packages installed - dpkg -l|grep -- '-bin'
08:47<jm_>look for java packages in the list
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08:47<jm_>shiznatix: the default is selected using alternatives
08:48<shiznatix>I have sun-java6-bin intalled and thats the only java anything I see there
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08:48<shamanix>anyone know how I can get aoss (Alsa-Oss wrapper) working? I've tried everything to get sound in ZSNES (A nintendo emulator for those who don't know), but so far everything failed
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08:49<jm_>then find out where 'java' is coming from
08:49<jm_>shamanix: you do aoss myapp ...
08:49<jm_>and don't ask yes/no questions
08:50<shamanix>jm_ tried it, still no sound
08:50<jm_>shamanix: does it work if you stop all apps using sound?
08:50<shiznatix>jm_, sorry, how do I go about finding where "java" is coming from?
08:50<ranix>this is a common problem, the zsnes sound
08:50<ranix>could use a factoid
08:50<jm_>shiznatix: which java
08:50<ranix>I don't know why people have problems
08:51<ranix>but I have seen 3 people minimum in a week who had sound + zsnes trouble
08:51<shiznatix>jm_, ah, ok well it is coming from /usr/bin/java. What can I do with this info?
08:51<locklace>jm_: yeah, just reading the news about the shift to eglibc
08:51<jm_>shiznatix: ls -l /usr/bin/java - probably a symlink, so ls -l that too
08:51<locklace>jm_: and some of the great glibc bug responses
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08:52<themill>readlink -f /usr/bin/java
08:52<locklace>"glibc only supports bash, fix your crap environment" - hahaha
08:53<ranix>god forbid I want to use csh
08:53<jm_>ahh readlink saves they day, too linux specific, not worth remembering
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08:53<eljefe_>anyone familiar with encoding DVDs to an avi container? I wanted to create an avi for a friend's daughter to not wreck her DVD but it has like 60 'versions' of the movie on the DVD and no matter which I pick, xvidenc finishes in like 30seconds and obviously got confused somehow (which i am sure is intentional on the DVD's behalf)
08:54<locklace>as if the fucking c library has any business dictating what shell someone uses
08:54<shiznatix>jm_, Ok I hunted it down and it looks like the final real point is /usr/bin/gij-4.3
08:54<jm_>eljefe_: dvdrip is nice for such tasks
08:54<jm_>shiznatix: ahh OK, still, change it with alternatives
08:55<themill>use update-java-alternatives for that.
08:55<eljefe_>i'll check that, thanks
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08:55<ranix>According to folklore the distinguishing feature of a hoop snake is that it can grasp its tail in its jaws and roll after its prey like a wheel
08:55<jm_>wow java users are so lame debian had to come up with a shell script that calls update-alternatives?
08:55*jm_ runs
08:55<ranix>I'm sorry, I appear to have center-clicked in error
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08:56<shiznatix>jm_, I am not sure what you mean. The path went like this: /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java -> /usr/bin/gij-4.3
08:56<jm_>shiznatix: yeah, update-alternatives --config java or use update-java-alternatives script
08:56<themill>jm_: yes... or at least to manage the 4000-odd alternatives that are involved.
08:57<themill>jm_: it can solve the java program works but java plugin doesn't problems that we often see.
08:57<jm_>update-java-alternatives and this manual page was written by Matthias Klose <>. - that explains it :P
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08:59<christoph>so how exactly do I update the fluxbox menus after changes debian-menu files ( ~/.menu so no trigger)
08:59<jm_>themill: you mean it handles all the plugin alternatives (for all the browsers) too?
08:59<shiznatix>where do I get this update-java-alternatives script? the update-alternatives --config... when I selected the java-6-sun one didn't work. I switched it and when I did java --version it said "Could not create the Java virtual machine."
08:59<jm_>christoph: running update-menus doesn't do it?
08:59<christoph>jm_, apparently no
08:59<themill>jm_: it can handle the jre, jdk and plugin separately (or together)
09:00<jm_>shiznatix: let me guess, 32bit and lots of RAM?
09:00<shiznatix>jm_, bingo. I am using the bigmem kernel
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09:01<themill>shiznatix: it's in the java-common package which you should already have. (/usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives)
09:01<jm_>shiznatix: heh man that pissed me off, it means it worked and changed it to sun's JRE, but now it's refusing to start, you need one of the -X.. options
09:01<jm_>-Xms/-Xmx/-Xss - I forgot which
09:01<jm_>probably not -Xss
09:01<christoph>my menu file in .menu is detected by update-menzus but it does not apprear in any of fluxbox' menu files
09:02<jm_>christoph: maybe use -d to see what is going on
09:02<jm_>or at least -v
09:02<shamanix>hey, I solved my zsnes problem guys, turns out I have to manually edit the config file or use the command line to set the sound output to SDL, strangly nothing else works, which is kinda wierd
09:02<themill>shiznatix, jm_: forcing client hotspot rather than server or some such nonsense may also be needed. You could try openjdk too perhaps...
09:03<shiznatix>Ok wait. What is the best course of action for me right now?
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09:07<christoph>ah here it is
09:07<themill>shiznatix: so "java -version" gives errors -- does "java -client -version" work?
09:08<shiznatix>themill, that gives me what I want, "java version 1.6.0_12"
09:08<shiznatix>and some other stuff but the version number is good stuff
09:09<themill>shiznatix: excellent... that might be enough to get eclipse to work. There's probably some config file somewhere that you can fiddle with to get that effect but stuffed if I know where it is....
09:10<jm_>so client basically means it tries to allocate less I suppose
09:10<shiznatix>wow that worked! phpeclipse installed instantly no problems! super thank you!
09:10<themill>jm_: yeah, there's some difference in the two jvms ("client" vs "server") and when it sees a machine with more memory, it tries to use the server jvm instead. I forget the differences between then, but the server jvm is often more problematic
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09:11<jm_>themill: wish I knew about this when I had to make it work on my home machine
09:11<themill>shiznatix: you could fiddle with this in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun- (perhaps). I've never fiddled with that file...
09:12<themill>jm_: yeah... I had to learn about this when I was trying to support early (buggy) openjdk packages for the latexdraw package.
09:12<jm_>themill: it's rather strange one finds zillion recommendations of using -X options but not this, which is much easier
09:15<themill>jm_: istr something about -client being a recommendation to the jvm and not a requirement... it doesn't always work out but can do. openjdk needed -X stuff to get the program to work but -client was enough to get ant to work. (it's all fixed now anyway). It's all overly complicated from what I can see anyway...
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09:16<jm_>themill: indeed
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09:22<steves>why would my resolv.conf keep changing? i have removed network-manager and thought that would stop the resolv.conf updates.
09:23<petemc>dhcp, most likely
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09:23<steves>not running dhcp. static address
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09:26<weasel>using resolvconf?
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09:27<steves>weasel: don't know what resolvconf is.
09:28<weasel>it's a package
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09:28<steves>it's not installed
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09:31<Mayhem>My system waits for over a minute on boot, it looks like it's sleeping trying to detect network devices. Any suggestions on where to investigate? Bootchart:
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09:41<olleon>i've been wanting to ask; this eglibc substitution thing is for real and approved by everybody in debian?
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09:42<OdyX>olleon: this substitution is _effective_ in Sid
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09:42<olleon>i see; this means that practically debian developers take a huge burden to work heavily with eglibc people i guess
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09:43<olleon>heh, eventually all debian - based distros are to do the switch i guess, unless they prefer a drepperchain
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09:44<dpkg>i heard linux mint is a distribution based on Ubuntu. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. Go /join #linuxmint @ See <Based on Debian>.
09:45<themill>olleon: Have a look on the debian-devel mailing list... there was a very small amount of discussion that basically went along the lines of "sure", "go for it", "at last" and "why didn't we do this ages ago".
09:45<olleon>oh i am all for it guys
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09:45<johnfg>hi guys
09:46<LqR>So, how long will it take for the eglibc to appear in stable?
09:46<olleon>only debian could have pulled a stunt like that in the face of everybody; the sheer manpower is on debian's side he he
09:46<johnfg>Is there a utility, like in Fedora Directory Server, for importing users and groups into my debian lenny's openldap?
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09:48<themill>LqR: probably about 2 years.... not until the next stable release. /msg dpkg stable
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09:49<locklace>judd versions libc6
09:49<judd>locklace: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-4 sid: 2.9-10
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09:50<LqR>Good thing I'm not in a hurry to upgrade then :)
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09:51<locklace>actually it's 2.9-11 now, which is the eglibc switch
09:51<bja>johnfg: Where can I find information about Fedora Directory Server?
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09:55<johnfg>bja, Go to and you can learn all you need to.
09:56<bja>johnfg: thx
09:56<johnfg>Also, freenode has a channel for #fedora-ds and the folks there have been real helpful.
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10:01<bja>johnfg: try this link ""
10:03<bja>johnfg: also try this one ""
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10:04<ranix>I'm having some trouble with Samba permissions. I have a program (Quickbooks, windows) that needs write access to some log file. Yet, the program keeps changing the permissions of the file to remove write access from itself! Can I have Samba disallow permissions alteration somehow?
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10:11<eeeuser>ranix: yes you could change the owner of the file
10:11<eeeuser>its a bit of a hack though.
10:12<Lut>hello hello
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10:15<Dominique>Hi! what's the command to reset Gnome?
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10:15<bja>Dominique: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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10:16<Dominique>i used a command long back which closed all my gnome sessions and took me back to the login screen within 1 sec.
10:17<bja>Dominique: type it and see what happens
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10:17<Dominique>Operation not permitted.
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10:18<bja>Dominique: type that as root
10:18<eeeuser>I think it worked. ^_^
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10:26<Dominique>Hi! is there a CLI for playing audio files and for xchat?
10:28<SlimeyPete>for IRC (xchat) try irssi.
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10:29<bja>Dominique: for audio mocp
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10:31<Safadinho>oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii gatooooooooooooooos
10:32<Safadinho>alguem que sexo? rsrsssrrsr
10:32<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:32<Safadinho>tem alguem aew?
10:32<Safadinho>oi abigos
10:32<Safadinho>tem cam?
10:32<Safadinho>curte sacanagem?
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10:33<kurumin>OLHA A BUNDA: (_I_)
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10:33<ml|>Dominique: i concur irssi and mocp
10:33<kurumin_>ola a bucetinha..:S
10:33<Safadinho>add la
10:33<kurumin__>quer me comer ??
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10:34<kurumin__>cone =S
10:34<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:34<Dominique>irssi for xchat?
10:34-!-Safadinho [] has quit []
10:34<ml|>oftc is needed
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10:34<ml|>and op
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10:34<maicom>de onde es?
10:34<kurumin__>do cu do mundo
10:34<kurumin__>que me comerr
10:34<kurumin>de campinas msmo
10:34<maicom>onde vica isso
10:35<ml|>Dominique: no irssi replaces xchat
10:35<kurumin>são paulo
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10:35<kurumin__>so bambi
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10:35<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:35<kurumin__>Drigão Zumbizão
10:35<Dominique>thnx ml|
10:35<kurumin>e aí td blkza
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10:36<ml|>Dominique: mocp for music
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10:36<Dominique>thnx ml|
10:36<Safadinho>DA O CUUUUUUUU
10:36<Safadinho>kem ta aew?
10:36<xD>se fude
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10:37<Safadinho>alguem ta sozinhu aeww?;)
10:37<xD>vai toma no cu
10:37<Safadinho>euy e vc?
10:37<Safadinho>eu e vc? ke tal?
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---Logopened Fri May 08 11:19:58 2009
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11:43<johnfg>hi again guys
11:43<Aleric2>I'm having a serious problem... after a apt-get upgrade... my encrypted disks stopped working :/
11:43<johnfg>I want my kerberos to start at bootup. What rc directory would you recommend that I put it in, i.e., the script for startup.
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11:44<johnfg>ok I see that it needs to go in init.d.
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11:52<melkart>which is the ftp server most simple to setup for a lazy n00b?
11:52<zoul>hye all
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11:52<Aleric2>Can someone help me debug this problem:
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11:53<Aleric2>/sbin/udevsettle disappeared after my last apt-get upgrade
11:53<locklace>Aleric2: try "udevadm settle" instead
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11:56<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:57<Aleric2>locklace: I can't, it's called by the binary /sbin/cryptsetup, which is part of the package cryptsetup ... so, a bug :
11:57<ml|>melkart: dunno if it is the easiest to setup but check out proftpd
11:58<locklace>Aleric2: so make a shell script called /sbin/udevsettle that calls udevadm settle and try again
11:59<bja>melkart: Believe me if you don't want anything fancy proftp will do the job
11:59<bja>melkart: lots of info also
11:59<melkart>bja: should i use gadmin-proftpd for it?
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12:01<bja>melkart: I didn't use it at all but if you prefer the graphic part always makes thing a little more simple to understand. :)
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12:05<sladi>Hi! Is it possible to change the Gnome icon theme for Iceweasel even when KDE themes are in use too? The Gnome control center seems to conflict with KDE settings manager.
12:06<patrikf>sladi: I think you have to do that entirely within iceweasel
12:06<patrikf>i.e. install an appropriate theme
12:06<dr|z3d>Yup, it's a theme issue, sladi. Grab a theme from
12:06<sladi>patrikf: I see. Thank you! :)
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12:10<Aleric2>locklace: I made a file /sbin/udevsettle with one line: /sbin/udevadm settle
12:10<Aleric2>Now I get:
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12:12<locklace>Aleric2: so does it work
12:13<Aleric2>How do I normally turn on my swap from the command line?
12:13<burnclouds>I have a laptop and the Fn brightness keys do not work. Any ideas
12:14<patrikf>burnclouds: what make?
12:14<burnclouds>Lappy = MSI GX630
12:14<Aleric2>>swapon -v -a
12:14<Aleric2>swapon on /dev/mapper/cswap
12:14<Aleric2>swapon: /dev/mapper/cswap: Invalid argument
12:14<patrikf>Aleric2: you need to mkswap that partition before
12:15<burnclouds>some of my other fn keys (mute and volume) are detected as normal keys. I have them mapped to amixer via xbindkeys. but the brightenss ones are not normal keys
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12:17<burnclou1s>I'm still here just need to switch moxes
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12:19<burnclou1s>"lsmod | grep video" shows the video module is loaded
12:20<locklace>patrikf: probably not a great idea considering that's supposed to be an encrypted swap device
12:20<patrikf>locklace: then you obviously can't swapon it directly either
12:20<patrikf>I'm not familiar with it, but somehow dm-crypt has to provide a pseudo-device that you then can use as swap
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12:21<patrikf>(and on that one you of course have to run mkswap!)
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12:23<locklace>yep, i haven't played with the crypt utils either - looked like a recipe for boot disaster to me ;)
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12:24<nuscire>hey, guys. Is it possible to use unicode fonts (and get the correct display) in the console (framebuffer) mode?
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12:26<Aleric2>I found the problem here:
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12:26<sladi_>patrikf, dr|z3d : It seems to work now when I start gnome settings daemon. I just didn't have to start it manually until now. :)
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12:26<Aleric2>It turns out to be an incompatibility between the recent udev upgrades and apparently non-maintained cryptsetup.
12:27<Aleric2>How on earth this could happen ... grrr.
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12:30<Aleric2>Ok... this is too difficult. I want to downgrade udev until it's fixed :/
12:30<burnclouds>sorry, I was trying out the Nvidia drivers to see if that would fix my Fn Brightness keys. Alas no and now when I use ctl + alt + f* to switch virtual terminals nothing shows up on the screen.
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12:33<enkoan>my date is set way off, and its causing arithemtic overflow -> installer crashes with debian 501 ppc
12:33<locklace>Aleric2: so you're using ubuntu?
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12:33<enkoan>but date command doesn't work from the console
12:34<enkoan>is there a way to reset the date from the installer?
12:34<emanuele>ah, yes
12:34<emanuele>reinstall Debian and select a different hour and zone!:D
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12:34<enkoan>i think its more the year
12:35<burnclouds>Any help with the FN Brightness keys?
12:35<Aleric2>Every dist suffers from this... debian just didn't fix it THREE months later.. and this is freaking big imho... breaking crypted disks :/
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12:36<enkoan>arithmetic overflow while converting 0 days to a number of seconds
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12:39<Aleric2>I need cryptsetup 2:1.0.6+20090405.svn49-1
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12:39<Aleric2>That is a month old... why is that still not in 'unstable'?
12:39<joesbar>Any idea why my AMD Athlon x2 Dual Core QL-62 is only showing one processor in /proc/cpuinfo ? Oh, I have squeeze up to date.
12:40<corge>morning all
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12:41<corge>joes: do it again and hit the numerical 1 key on your keyboard
12:41<corge>are you running an smp kernel?
12:41<joesbar>i don't understand. "cat /proc/cpuinfo" only lists processor 0
12:42<corge>do a "uname -a", what is the output?
12:44<joesbar>uname -a : 2.6.26-2-686 SMP Mar 26 2009 i686
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12:45<burnclouds>Anyone know something about laptop FN brightenss
12:45<locklace>burnclouds: make sure your fn keys generate events in xev, then map them to commands that frob the right files in /sys
12:46<burnclouds>locklace: xev does not show any events
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12:47<locklace>burnclouds: then you need to check kernel support for your laptop
12:47<joesbar>So I have an SMP kernel but it's not detecting both of them?
12:47<burnclouds>where would I do that? I know people using ubuntu have it working.
12:48<locklace>Aleric2: is there a debian bug for that issue yet
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12:48<locklace>burnclouds: what is your laptop model and kernel version
12:48<corge>joesbar: do a pastebin of your /cat/proc output
12:49<joesbar>corge: you mean "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ?
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12:49<Aleric2>locklace: yes
12:49<Aleric2>should be fixed in unstable... installing now
12:51<joesbar>the output of uname -a is at the bottom
12:52<corge>joesbar: do this, dmesg | grep -i cpu
12:52<burnclouds>anyone have any ideas on whats wrong with my laptop Fn Brightness keys?
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12:53<corge>pastebin that
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12:54<corge>do you have ACPI disabled?
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12:55<joesbar>I do have apic disabled. But ACPI should be fine
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12:55<corge>Modern hardware provides no way of enumerating CPUs without using ACPI, so it's normal for you to only see one if you disable ACPI.
12:56<joesbar>ACPI should be enabled
12:56<joesbar>how should I check? how do i re-enable it?
12:56<corge>well, should be enabled and "is enabled" are two different things
12:56<joesbar> how should I check? how do i re-enable it?
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12:57<corge>check your BIOS first
12:57<joesbar>apt-get install acpi: acpi is already the newest version.
12:57<corge>then when you're booting your machine, see if you can see anything about ACPI being enabled or disabled
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12:58<corge>what are you using? debian? ubuntu?
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12:58<joesbar>debian squeeze
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12:59<corge>hmm...and the dist-upgrade is all up to date?
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12:59<corge>try, aptitude dist-upgrade
12:59<joesbar>The bios only has a few options in it. and everything is set to OS controlled.
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12:59<joesbar>zero package to update
13:00<tsx>I just ran aptitude dist-upgrade but system still has php4-common
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13:00<tsx>I need php5-common
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13:00<corge>so do aptitude install php5-common
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13:00<tsx>Thats it?
13:00<joesbar>o upgraded, 0 new, 0 removed, 0 held back
13:00<corge>try it
13:00<corge>ok joes
13:00<corge>testing acpi should be fine
13:01<tsx>that will remove php4-common?
13:01<tsx>Won't the computer get confused with two versions of php rurunning around
13:03<corge>shouldn't, you can run two versions of php on a system
13:03<joesbar>how do i test acpi
13:05<tsx>that didn't work
13:05<tsx>I am still running php4
13:06<corge>joesbar: maybe it's just a bug in the package from the testing tree
13:06<corge>i wouldn't worry about it too much
13:06<corge>i would wait a week or two and do another dist-upgrade and see if it changes
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13:06<joesbar>then i'm gonna try sid acpi
13:07<tsx>I ran aptitude remove php4-common
13:07<corge>one thing you might try just to make sure your processor is working the way it is supposed to is to boot up a knoppix or live cd from somewhere, do a cat /proc/cpuinfo on it and see
13:07<tsx>Now the computer is removing all kinds of crap.
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13:07<corge>that will tell you that your processor is ok and if it's a bug or not in the OS
13:07<corge>tsx: did you try a safe-upgrade?
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13:07<dr|z3d>tsk: It would.. probably a lot of installs dependent on phj.
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13:10<corge>tsx: dr|z3d is correct
13:10<tsx>I am still running php version 4 after I removed it.
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13:11<tsx>and nothing happens after aptitude install php5-common
13:11<corge>do aptitude search php5
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13:11<corge>does it show an i next to some of the php5 packages?
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13:12<tsx>It does
13:12<corge>if you want where your web pages files are, create a new page, in that page type only "<?php phpinfo() ?>" (without quotes) and then browse to that page
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13:12<corge>that will show you what version of php you're running and relevent info for it
13:13<tsx>I found the problem, I have to upgrade the phpapache
13:13<locklace>joesbar: uh, the issue is not the "acpi" package, it's the kernel
13:13<tsx>Thanks about that aptitude search thing. Didnt know about that one
13:13<joesbar>so try the newer kernel?
13:14<locklace>joesbar: if you read the output of dmesg it will be glaringly obvious if acpi kernel support is enabled
13:14<locklace>joesbar: "dmesg | grep -i acpi"
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13:14<burnclouds>I've browsed the web it looks like ubuntu people have the brightness keys working just fine on the same model laptop. So why don't mine? Am i missing a module or something?
13:14<tsx>should I remove old package first or just install new version?
13:14<locklace>burnclouds: you're not a very good listener are you
13:15*bja looks how locklace rediscovers the wheel
13:16<joesbar>Lots of ACPI stuff going on in there. Do you want a pastbin? It looks like acpi is working.
13:16<locklace>bja: oh did you already try to help him
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13:17<burnclouds>nobody gave me an answer. just "try xev" but I said no events are comming out.
13:17<bja>locklace: no I've been reading for quite some time and it seems he just looks at his monito when he is typing
13:17<locklace>burnclouds: scroll up
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13:17<locklace>joesbar: "dmesg | grep -i acpi | grep -i cpu"
13:18<corge>ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports C1)
13:18<corge>ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports C1)
13:18<corge>ACPI: Processor [CPU2] (supports C1)
13:18<corge>ACPI: Processor [CPU3] (supports C1)
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13:18<corge>stupid bot
13:18<corge>that should be what it looks like
13:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
13:18<corge>yeah, seen that before
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13:19<ml|>well, not the bots fault ;)
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13:19<corge>i disagree =\
13:19<nosklo>corge: how so? you did paste more than 2 lines
13:19<ml|>ok :P
13:20<tsx>In case anybody was worried, I have php5 running on apache now
13:20<joesbar>the only line like that is ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling states)
13:20<locklace>joesbar: so acpi doesn't find your other cpu
13:20<corge>nosklo, i'm being sarcastic, yes, i pasted more than two lines
13:20<corge>we're not tsx, but good deal you got it upgraded
13:20<locklace>joesbar: just to double-check, is there only one processor entry when you "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
13:21<corge>yeah lock, that's the issue he is having, but with a dual core amd
13:21<joesbar>as you told burnclouds... scroll up
13:21<joesbar>but yeah
13:21<joesbar>i have a pastebin for that hold on a sec
13:21<ml|>!congratulations tsx
13:22<locklace>joesbar: fine. so the problem is either with your hw/bios or the kernel. suggest you first try most recent linux-image-2.6 package from sid
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13:22<joesbar>in the process of that upgrade now
13:22<joesbar>do i need to update ACPI to match?
13:23<locklace>no, just boot the kernel and recheck its acpi messages
13:24<locklace>if that doesn't work, build a 2.6.30rc4 image (be sure to check all the acpi/smp options carefully when you "make menuconfig") and try that
13:24<locklace>lots of acpi changes happening
13:24<bja>Ok who killed the bot??
13:24<joesbar>yug, last time i made a kernel i spent two days and it still wouldn't boot
13:25<ml|>judd kernel
13:25<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-1-686 (2.6.29-3); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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13:25<joesbar>interesting i just installed 2.6.29-2 from sid. update you bot
13:26<dpkg>hello, ml|
13:26<ml|>bja: dpkg still a live ;)
13:26<locklace>fwiw burnclouds needs to do the same
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13:27<joesbar>booting the 2.6.29-2 kernel now.
13:28<enkoan>anyone help with rdate errors? # rdate -n -o 37 --- rdate: too many bad or lost packets; rdate: unable to get a reasonable time estimate
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13:28<enkoan>maybe its the server? anyone know another one?
13:28<murizar>hola a todos
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13:28<dpkg>well, sp is troubled: you stats pimp!
13:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:28<joesbar>Thank you guys! I should have tried the latest kernel sooner
13:29<joesbar>I now have both my processors!
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13:30<locklace>enkoan: why are you even using rdate
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13:30<ml|>!tell enkoan -about ntp
13:31<ml|>joesbar: congrats
13:31<samuel>Hello Joesbar
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13:32<burnclouds>I have just upgraded to sid's kernel to see if that will fix my brightness issues. no luck
13:32<locklace>burnclouds: do you get xev events now or not
13:33<locklace>burnclouds: what kind of laptop is this
13:33<burnclouds>but my old laptop didn't eather and the brightness works just fine.
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13:34<burnclouds>An MSI GX630
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13:38<burnclouds>locklace: MSI GX630
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13:41<locklace>burnclouds: is your msi-laptop module loaded
13:41<burnclouds>not sure
13:41<locklace>burnclouds: lsmod|grep msi
13:42<corge>joesbar: good deal
13:42<locklace>burnclouds: as root, modprobe msi-laptop
13:42<burnclouds>and modprobe msi-laptop give file not found error
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13:42<burnclouds>sorry : no such device"
13:43<locklace>burnclouds: also try msi_laptop
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13:44<burnclouds>same error " DATAL: Error inserting msi-laptop (/lib/moduless/2.6.29-2-686/kernel/drivers/platform/x86/msi-laptop.ko): no such device"
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13:44<melkart>in an encrypted partition, is it possible without the password to read what files are there and their file names?
13:45<patrikf>melkart: if the whole partition is encrypted, of course not
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13:46<locklace>burnclouds: not sure about that. could be the module doesn't support your laptop model. you'll probably have to search around some and/or ask on a mailing list
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13:46<joesbar>corge: thanks for all your help
13:47<bja>Is there a way to detach a running instance of irssi?
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13:47<maxb>Run it inside screen.
13:47<ml|>bja: yes with screen
13:47<bja>maxb: already running?
13:48<maxb>No, you'll have to restar
13:48<corge>joesbarL you're most welcome
13:48<maxb>Be sure you've configured your autojoins and saved your config!
13:48<melkart>patrikf: thank you.
13:48<melkart>is it possible and easy to encrypt an unencrypted partition afterwards? or is it usually the better way to make a new encrypted partition and then copy everything?
13:48<patrikf>melkart: I think it's the only way
13:48<bja>maxb: Thought so but well it doesn't hurt asking
13:49<bja>maxb, ml| thx
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13:50<ml|>bja: wb
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13:53<locklace>bja: also see "aptitude show dtach"
13:54<ml|>yes, dtach is another option
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13:57<bja>Thank you guys, logged off used screen now I'm back
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14:00<bja>Note taken for the next emergency
14:01<bja>The other day I screwed the groups for my normal user, I've been reeinstating them when I find about them, but I am unable to mount a usb stick, org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied
14:01<bja>Any one know which group I'm still missing?
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14:03<locklace>plugdev? floppy? cdrom?
14:03<locklace>i consider hal/dbus to be on the same level as, say, yog-sothoth
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14:05<bja>locklace think you got it i Believe is plugdev
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14:06<bja>locklace: If your were near, I would kiss you xD
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14:09<hades__>hola a todos
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14:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:10<hades__>sorry, hi
14:10<ml|>bja: heh
14:11<ml|>!kiss locklace
14:11*dpkg smooches locklace on the cheek
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14:13<valdyn>bja: this is no longer done via groups in testing and sid
14:13<amphi>yog-sothoth, heh
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14:14<ml|>valdyn: how then?
14:15<valdyn>ml|: policykit
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14:15<valdyn>ml|: permission system completely independent of unix file permissions
14:16<ml|>valdyn: thanks will need to read about
14:16<valdyn>ml|: you can install policykit-gnome, its self explanatory
14:17<valdyn>ml|: once you run polkit-gnome-authorisation anyway
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14:17<ml|>valdyn: don't use gnome
14:17<valdyn>ml|: i didnt say that you need to use gnome
14:17<ml|>I know but the name heh
14:18<valdyn>ml|: what i said is valid for authentication against dbus
14:18<ml|>valdyn: ok
14:18<valdyn>ml|: so this works for whatever works on top of dbus, that includes things from kde just aswell
14:18<locklace>great, another hal/dbus appendage
14:19<locklace>i'm just going to shoot myself now
14:19<valdyn>locklace: uh?
14:19<valdyn>locklace: you are free to use the old dbus configuration
14:19<valdyn>but polkit seems much nicer actually
14:20*locklace starts printing "Just say NO to hal/dbus" t-shirts
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14:20<bja>valdyn: interesting but what happens if you don't run any X
14:20<locklace>bja: everyone runs gnome. you must know that
14:20<valdyn>bja: then you need to find a different way to configure this, like the cli tools
14:21<valdyn>bja: but you dont need to configure this really, by default
14:21<locklace>and the insignificant fraction of users who don't run gnome run kde
14:21<valdyn>bja: you just need to log out and back in if you did the upgrade while being logged in
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14:21<ml|>locklace: i'm in that minority ;)
14:21<bja>valdyn: if it is not stupid proof , eventually I'll have to feedle with it
14:21<valdyn>bja: default is that local users can use local hardware
14:21<bja>locklace: I
14:22<valdyn>bja: but your consolekit dbus might not "know" that youre local if you didnt relogin since that upgrade
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14:22<bja>locklace: If the numbers are right I'm alone using ion3
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14:23<ml|>xmonad here :)
14:23<bja>valdyn: Used screen to be able to do that and still stay connected.
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14:24<locklace>bja: you might like this,
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14:27<valdyn>thats obsolete for testing, that howto
14:27<melkart>if i install debian and create an encrypted partition, will it be easy if one year later i install another distribution, say centos, and i want to mount and access this partition encrypted by debian from centos?
14:27<valdyn>outdated i mean
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14:28<bja>locklace: Very interesting Thank you
14:28<markrian>How do I stop kernel messages being shown on the console? I think the b43 driver I use is mostly responsible for all the useless info I'm seeing. Any ideas?
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14:28<valdyn>markrian: edit /etc/sysctl.conf
14:28<locklace>bja: summary: "udev+hal+dbus = pain"
14:28<valdyn>hotplug = pain
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14:28<valdyn>modern computer = pain
14:28<amphi>markrian: dmesg -n1
14:29<locklace>melkart: the same tools are used everywhere, they're not debian-specific. just remember which tool you used to create the thing, then use the same one later to access it
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14:29<bja>locklace: A truth in all its letters
14:29<melkart>locklace: thank you
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14:29<locklace>valdyn: i'm really hoping we can turn ALL of our /etc config files into gargantuan bloated XML monstrosities like freetype and hal fdi! that will be great
14:31<markrian>valdyn: erm, the man pages for sysctl{,.conf} are pretty useless... where might contain that info?
14:31<valdyn>markrian: you dont need to read the manpage
14:31<locklace>in fact, once we do that, i bet we could make them more efficient by compiling them all into a binary format. it will hurt readability some, but only a little compared to the xml, and the price is clearly well worth paying
14:31<valdyn>markrian: you just need to open that file and read the first few lines
14:31<markrian>amphi: That looks promising - I suppose that doesn't persist across boots?
14:31<valdyn># Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console
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14:32<markrian>valdyn: ah, jeez, embarrassing, how did I miss that. Thanks.
14:33<bja>valdyn: As people want easyness of connection, things get easily breakable when you strive a little of the beaten path
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14:34<locklace>bja: sounds familiar, doesn't it? you've just described... windows.
14:34<valdyn>bja: thats like saying that linux breaks easier than msdos
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14:34<valdyn>bja: complex systems are more difficult to get right than simple systems, sure
14:35<gravity>locklace: You're welcome to write your own replacement you know. dbus is just a bus and you can make a hal-like thing that does what it does without xml if you want
14:35<bja>valdyn: I'm in favour of kiss therefore things if do get broken, anyone can spot the problem.
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14:35<valdyn>bja: kiss ?
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14:36<amphi>markrian: nope
14:36<gravity>This is something I'd actually like to see, mind you. But most of the whiners are forgetting that these programs solve very real problems, if in a flawed way.
14:37<bja>valdyn: I quitted window long ago because because it broke far more than linux.
14:37<bja>valdyn: Keep It Simple Stu
14:37<enkoan>pid : )
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14:38<markrian>Isn't there work being done to replace hal with DeviceKit? I don't know if DeviceKit will use swathes of xml config files though. Let's hope not.
14:38<valdyn>i dont know why xml should bother me
14:38<locklace>don't get me wrong - i'd rather they exist than nothing, since they do work, more or less, in some situations. but they still suck, like all self-important, overcomplicated middleware, and i have no doubt that better options will be coming down the pipe
14:38<gravity>markrian: Yes, although I also don't know about the xml. I don't think they're abandoning it though.
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14:39<bja>locklace: Yes, you are right, never thougt about it
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14:39<bja>valdyn: pid
14:40<valdyn>bja: i dont get your acronyms
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14:40<locklace>("works" here means "happens to work automatically and you don't actually need to configure or troubleshoot them", because if you do, god help you)
14:41<bja>To make a complex machine do complex things is a work of an engineer, to make a simple machine do complex things is the work of a genius.
14:41<bja>Or so it said. I'm not sure.
14:41<bja>But you get the meaning
14:41<valdyn>bja: yes
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15:04<ComradeHaz>ok, has anyone else come accross the exim bug an example of which can be seen here: It's happeing on my girlfriends 32bit machine and my clean install on amd64 (both unstable)
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15:04<ComradeHaz>looks exactly like to me, but that was 2 years ago! :O
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15:05<valdyn>judd: versions exim4-config
15:05<judd>valdyn: exim4-config -- etch: 4.63-17 etch-backports: 4.69-9~bpo40+1 lenny: 4.69-9 sid: 4.69-9 squeeze: 4.69-9 sid: 4.69-10
15:06<valdyn>ComradeHaz: whats your /bin/sh ?
15:06<ComradeHaz>what do you mean valdyn?
15:07<valdyn>ComradeHaz: what is your /bin/sh linking to?
15:07<valdyn>ComradeHaz: ls -l /bin/sh
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15:07<valdyn>ComradeHaz: ok, thats what i wanted to know
15:07<ComradeHaz>not sure really, I just did ls -al on /bin
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15:08<ComradeHaz>is that what you expected?
15:08<valdyn>ComradeHaz: umm, so run ls -l /bin/sh if you dont know
15:08<valdyn>ComradeHaz: i dont expect, i just want to know
15:08<ComradeHaz>uh, what I said, I just ran that
15:08<valdyn>ComradeHaz: ok
15:08<ComradeHaz>I didn;t know what to do, I just guessed :)
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15:09<ComradeHaz>ok, so what does that mean?
15:09<valdyn>ComradeHaz: bash the "most compatible" option, so the issue isnt going to be your /bin/sh
15:09<melkart>how do i "wipe" a partition, i.e. destroy any traces of the data previously stored on it, so that not even an expert can reconstruct it?
15:09<valdyn>melkart: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/partition
15:10<amphi>melkart: break up the disk with a sledgehammer, and melt the remains in a furnace
15:10<ComradeHaz>ok, valdyn, can you explain to me what the problem I'm experiencing on these machines is (or rather is caused by)?
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15:10<valdyn>ComradeHaz: nope i cant, does "update-exim4.conf" run without error ?
15:11<melkart>valdyn: thank you. amphi: i wanted to find an alternative to that solution
15:11<amphi>!tell vassalli -about it
15:11<ComradeHaz>[sudo] password for anika:
15:11<ComradeHaz>sed: -e expression #1, char 2: delimiter character is not a single-byte character
15:11<valdyn>melkart: theres some "more secure" options, but you dont need those, trust me
15:11<amphi>melkart: valdyn's solution does not make the original data unrecoverable
15:12<valdyn>amphi: wrong
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15:12<amphi>just more expensive to recover
15:12<valdyn>melkart: what amphi wants to say that my method doesnt make recoverying individual single bytes impossible
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15:13<ComradeHaz>amphi: there is noone that will be able to recover that with current technology
15:13<valdyn>and even with an electron microscope and not and unlimited amount of time that is going to be hard
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15:14<ComradeHaz>or indeed, most likely any future technology as teh vast majority of the data will be irrecoverable. Reconstructing files is hugely unlikely
15:14<ComradeHaz>so, yer valdyn, it appears that's where the sed error comes from.
15:14<ComradeHaz>Any thoughts how to sort that out?
15:15<ml|>melkart: you use wipe also
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15:15<valdyn>ComradeHaz: great
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15:15<valdyn>ComradeHaz: show me your /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
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15:15<valdyn>ComradeHaz: if you have confidential data in there, dont show me.. but then i cannot analyse that file
15:16<valdyn>ComradeHaz: you can try to delete it and reconfig exim
15:16<melkart>ml|: thank you. sounds good ( i just read the description)
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15:16<valdyn>melkart: wipe is "better" but time consuming
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15:16<valdyn>melkart: and we are talking about chances of 0.0000001% for short byte sequences or something like that
15:17<ml|>melkart: np, but it will take longer
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15:17<ComradeHaz>that's my girlfriends machine
15:17<ComradeHaz>would you like to see mine too?
15:17<jimcooncat>Package naming: is there a maximum recommended length for a debian package name? Any registry where one can be reserved? Any reserved prefixes for local use, like "custom-"? Docs about these topics?
15:18<valdyn>ComradeHaz: ls -l /etc/exim4/*.dpkg-dist
15:18<ComradeHaz>valdyn: No such file or di
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15:19<valdyn>ComradeHaz: ok, its defenitely that file that is broken
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15:19<valdyn>ComradeHaz: im looking into what exactly is broken, but you can probably just delete it and let aptitude run the configuration
15:20<ComradeHaz>the update-exim4.conf.conf ?
15:20<valdyn>ComradeHaz: err, nevermind
15:20<valdyn>ComradeHaz: hold on
15:20<valdyn>ComradeHaz: not broken there
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15:20<ComradeHaz>I'll put the kettle on :)
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15:21<valdyn>ComradeHaz: looks to me like the update-exim4.conf program is broken
15:21<ed_debian>When I set my computer to hibernate (suspend to disk) and then I return I get the following error during the boot sequence : "unable to find swap-space signature" This happened after I copied my install to a new sata hdd
15:21<Supaplex>that's because it has the word exim in it.
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15:24<valdyn>ComradeHaz: ok, the file is mangled
15:24<valdyn>ComradeHaz: not sure why, but theres Ä in it
15:24<valdyn>ComradeHaz: looks like an Umlaut to me
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15:25<ComradeHaz>wtf, odd
15:25<ComradeHaz>so you think I should delete it then?
15:25<valdyn>ComradeHaz: no, im talking about /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf that is doing something weird
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15:25<valdyn>ComradeHaz: and the "umlaut" is in lenny too so thats not even an error
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15:28<ComradeHaz>are you working on a course of action for me?
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15:28<valdyn>ComradeHaz: my exim4 is broken the same as yours
15:28<valdyn>ComradeHaz: i would suggest you downgrade to the latest working version, but .. im working on it
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15:29<christoph>hm so I updated NM from testing and now it can't find any WLAN network anymore
15:29<christoph>logging in manually works but is not really comfortable
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15:33<zee>help me pls
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15:33<dpkg>htasq is, like, "How to ask smart questions"; Just Google it. Hint, they help us understand your issue, even if it's a little new to us.
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15:34<valdyn>ComradeHaz: ok, i have a fix
15:34<valdyn>ComradeHaz: and downgrading is pointless
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15:34<gravity>zee: Ask your question. If someone can help you they will.
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15:35<gravity>zee: If you keep doing what you just did you'll be banned.
15:35<valdyn>ComradeHaz: unless you downgrade sed
15:35<ml|>!tell zee -about ask
15:35<zee>i wona connect to my wifi buh i lost my password help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:36<simonrvn>and/or ignored
15:36<bja>melkart: have your tried shred -z
15:36<simonrvn>like now
15:36<dr|z3d>zee: Reset the password on your wireless router.
15:36<zee>i cant
15:36<zee>can u help me via remote desktop
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15:37<ml|>zee: why can't you?
15:37<zee>it doesnt work
15:37<ComradeHaz>ok valdyn: thanks, I'll await concrete instruction... :)
15:37<zee>i dont knw much
15:37*Supaplex 's troll detector has the caution light lit
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15:37<valdyn>ComradeHaz: LC_ALL=C <your aptitude command>
15:38<dr|z3d>trolls don't generally invite others to control their pcs via remote desktop.. just a thought :)
15:38<ComradeHaz>valdyn: what does that do?
15:38<valdyn>ComradeHaz: changes the locale
15:38<simonrvn>no, just ignorant/naïve people do...
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15:38<ml|>zee: read the manual for your router
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15:38<zee>can u do it 4 me????
15:38<Supaplex>imo there are different classes of trolls.
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15:39<valdyn>ComradeHaz: just for the command however
15:39<ComradeHaz>yes, I'm UK, hers is NZ
15:39<valdyn>ComradeHaz: whatever, use C for this
15:39<ComradeHaz>well, what do you think I should run?
15:39<simonrvn>4 km a day to start :P
15:39<valdyn>ComradeHaz: LC_ALL=C <your previous aptitude or apt-get command>
15:39<melkart>bja: no, i havent. thank you for that tip, too
15:39<zee>any pakkis here???
15:40<zee>any pakis???
15:40<valdyn>ComradeHaz: uh, it was a dpkg command, same deal
15:41<valdyn>ComradeHaz: that makes "LC_ALL=C dpkg --configure -a" for you
15:41<ml|>zee: apparently not
15:41<bja>melkart: np
15:41<ComradeHaz>ok, so what I mean is, shall I try to do the full upgrade or should I run the update-exim4.conf
15:41<bja>simonrvn: I would start with just one, you know overweight knees all that stuff
15:41<zee>help me
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15:41<zee>pm me
15:42<zee>n il tell u my problem
15:42<zee>il pay money
15:42<valdyn>ComradeHaz: it doesnt really matter, as long as exim is configured in the process, what i typed above works
15:42<valdyn>ComradeHaz: except that i forgot about your sudo
15:42<zee>help n il pay
15:42<simonrvn>well, i would regardless, overweight or not. physical training should be started gradually, esp. if you have health issues.
15:42<valdyn>ComradeHaz: last try: "LC_ALL=C sudo dpkg --configure -a"
15:43<ComradeHaz>well, what I mean is can it cause problems to anything else that gets updated that will be upset by running in a different locale
15:43<valdyn>ComradeHaz: no
15:43<simonrvn>(that's just common sense)</ot>
15:43<ml|>simonrvn: you would think ;)
15:43<valdyn>ComradeHaz: once that worked you might want to "fix" the configure script too
15:44<ComradeHaz>by doing what
15:44<simonrvn>ml|: -> #o-t ?
15:44<zee>any pakistani or indian here
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15:44<ml|>simonrvn: ?
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15:44<valdyn>ComradeHaz: edit /usr/sbin/update-exim4.conf and add a new line after the first two, just containing "export LC_ALL=C"
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15:45<simonrvn>oops, wrong net...
15:45<gravity>zee: Stop it
15:45<zee>i need help,, il pay money
15:46<dr|z3d>What router do you have zee?
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15:47<valdyn>ComradeHaz: mind, security auditing tools now could report that file as modified, but you obviously know who modified it
15:47<valdyn>ComradeHaz: but you probably dont run such tools anyway
15:47<Supaplex>zee: what's a sky router?
15:48<qrys>hola, alguien q sepa español?
15:48<zee>i got sky wifi
15:48<dr|z3d>Ok, so that means you've got, what, a Netgear router?
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15:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:49<Supaplex>zee: is that the provider, or the physical product in your home?
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15:49<dr|z3d>Sky afaik is the satellite tv people.
15:49<dr|z3d>Murdoch's little empire..
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15:50<Supaplex>zee: so you forgot that password? are you the account holder, why not call them?
15:50<dr|z3d>zee: If you browse to or what do you get?
15:51<dr|z3d>Supaplex: I have a feeling they won't expressly know the password for his wireless.
15:51<ml|>but can't they reset it?
15:52<Supaplex>wireless password on the CPE, or further up?
15:52<ComradeHaz>valdyn: thank you very much indeed, that had me totally stumped. I'm very impressed how fast you figured that out. Wish I could buy you a pint :)
15:52<dr|z3d>Wireless password. Getting into the router should be trivial.
15:52<bja>dr|z3d: If it is not locked
15:53<zee>can u connect to my laptop via remote desktop and do it 4 me pls
15:53*ComradeHaz wonders.
15:53<bja>with a password also
15:53<ComradeHaz>valdyn: wht do you reckon:
15:53<ComradeHaz>The following packages will be upgraded:
15:53<ComradeHaz> dbus dbus-x11 libdbus-1-3 locales mplayer
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15:53<Supaplex>ComradeHaz: there's always !beer valdyn :)
15:53<dr|z3d>bja: It will be locked, and it's probably locked with the default password for Sky's kit. Google tells me admin/sky should work fine.
15:53<zee>im so sad
15:53<ml|>or /coffe
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15:53<ComradeHaz>note locales
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15:53<beer>what is the package needed for making a backtrace of konq when the browser crashes?
15:53<dr|z3d>Where does that take you?
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15:54<beer>everytime I tries to wisit my konqueror just crahes and therefore I need to make a backtrace so I can repport it
15:54<Supaplex>zee: what os are you running?
15:54<zee>dat adress isnt workin
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15:55<Supaplex>zee: operating system
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15:55<dr|z3d>zee: OK. Try
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15:56<locklace>wow, people are still talking to zee
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15:56<burnclouds>locklace: Thanks for your help. It was the msi-laptop module that i needed but my laptop is to new and not in the modules internal supported list. I was able to add force=1 as an option for it and force it to load.
15:56<Supaplex>well, at least it's not windows. :)
15:56<locklace>burnclouds: x events working now?
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15:57<dr|z3d>zee: Find the ip of your router, login with admin/sky and then reset the wireless password.
15:57<ml|>!tell zee -about ubuntu
15:57<dr|z3d>zee: ifconfig /all should tell you the address of your router.
15:57<Supaplex>zee: netstat -r | grep ^default
15:58<burnclouds>it's still not an xevent but the brightness does work after adding the module
15:58<zee>can u connect to my laptop with remote desktop pls
15:59<locklace>burnclouds: even better
15:59<bja>locklace: Guess what the man does read, cheers for burnclouds
15:59<Supaplex>zee: no, for the last time.
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15:59<dr|z3d>zee: Unlikely. You'd need to port forward.
16:00<Supaplex>unless a Juniper Networks secure meeting server is available. Alas, I haven't fired mine up yet.
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16:02<Supaplex>zee: netstat -r should show the routes you have. the default should be your router. run that in a terminal to find the ip. (don't paste more than one line here)
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16:06<tanveer>how can i mount my ext3 file system on windows?
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16:08<bja>Supaplex: netstat -nr will make things faster. no dns lookup
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16:08<bja>Supaplex: BTW there is a bet on the office, that no can do on that passwd
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16:09<bja>!tell qrys about es
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16:11<bja>dr|z3d: How are things going, bets on the office are going high
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16:14<dr|z3d>bja: Hmm?
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16:16<bja>tobsen: forgot the /
16:16<keith>lenny. I have a external HD called FreeAgent Drive by Seagate. File system is ntfs(3.1). Mount point? Does Linux handle ntfs?
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16:18<dr|z3d>keith: It does.
16:18<dr|z3d>aptitude install ntfs-config
16:18<bja>keith: Yes it does handle it
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16:19<dr|z3d>ntfs-config will give you a simple gui to set read/write permissions on ntfs partitions.
16:19<dr|z3d>It may also install other programs to facilitate reading those partitions.
16:19<keith>Thanks drjz3d. How do I do a mount point for it?
16:20<dr|z3d>keith: That should be automatic.
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16:20<chealer>dr|z3d: whatever is ntfs-config, keith doesn't need it
16:20<dr|z3d>At least, ntfs-config will allow you to set the name of the mount.
16:20<dr|z3d>chealer: It's a helpful config tool.
16:21<dr|z3d>Not essential, but easier than command line alternatives.
16:21<keith>Thanks drjz3d. i'll exit and install ntfs-config
16:21<chealer>dr|z3d: so package it, but don't force it on others
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16:22<dr|z3d>My bad. I should have prefixed my recommendation with "You could try".
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16:24<bja>dr|z3d: Two latte big, one mocka and four capuchino against my double expresso for one month. Please tell me you solved everything with that wifi router
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16:24<dr|z3d>bja: *laugh* zee has been quiet of late, so no idea.
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16:27<ootput>what's a mocka?
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16:28<ml|>!coffee ootput
16:28*dpkg decants a fine broth of organic Colombian for ootput, courtesy of ml|
16:28<dr|z3d>It's a mocha spelt wrong.
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16:29<ootput>ml|: expecting dpkg to be a bit more vicious with that coffee? ;)
16:29<bja>ootput: Mocka is a cold beverage that has cream, a little chocolate flavour and it is supposed to be coffe.
16:30<ml|>ootput: not at all, just wanted dpkg to server you up some :)
16:30<ootput>how can anyone drink their coffee (pseudo or not) cold
16:30<bja>dr|z3d: General concensus if zee doesn't show up on the next half an hour, its a tie
16:31<ml|>bja: lol
16:31<Supaplex>bja: hehheh
16:31<dr|z3d>ootput: Go to Japan, they'll sell you cold coffee straight from the vending machine..
16:32<ootput>wait.. drinks like Dare, i don't mind
16:32<ootput>but they're more coffee-flavored milkshakes than anything
16:32<dr|z3d>bja: You're betting on zee's incompetence I feel. And you may be on the wrong side of that bet :)
16:32<bja>beats me
16:32<Supaplex>well he is using an inferior distro ;)
16:33<ootput>dr|z3d: urgh
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16:34<gravity>Oooh... a mocha sounds like a great idea
16:34<ootput>feels good to be fluttering around on a Friday!
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16:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
16:35<bja>dr|z3d: I was the only one betting on your competence, Do you think i was wrong :)
16:35<dr|z3d>bja: I can't help an absentee :)
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16:36<ootput>yeah, i just whet my own appetite for a shake
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16:37<dpkg>When you shake the etch-a-sketch, the picture gets all messed up. This also happens when you mix etch with testing/unstable sources.
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16:38<bja>dr|z3d: Thats why we are calling it a draw in 23 mins
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16:38<ml|>hah shake needs updating ;)
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16:41<dr|z3d>bja: Just noticed.. zee isn't in the channel.. suspect he won't be back in a hurry.
16:42<deniz>gnome has an online dictionary, can i add languages to it?
16:42<deniz>or can i add other language dictionaries?
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16:44<deniz>actually i played in the preferences and found that u can add dictionary "servers" what are dictionary servers and where can i obtain links for different languages?
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16:45<bja>dr|z3d: Due to a lack of evidence its now formally called a tie.
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16:49<Supaplex>nice :)
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16:50<muhaye>how can use grep '\<[[:alpha:]]\>' to match other language words such french, german ...
16:50<dr|z3d>deniz: Google is your friend.. here's a starter link:
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16:55<ghantoos>muhaye: what do you mean exactly?
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16:57<muhaye>ghantoos, I have a file whith french words, and I'm try to match them like this: egrep '\<[[:alpha:]]*\>'
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16:58<muhaye>ghantoos, but words with accent won't match
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16:59<deniz>dr|z3d, can u find a french-french dictionary? because i cant
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17:01<muhaye>ghantoos, "abaisser" will match but not "abaissâmes"!
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17:03<ghantoos>muhaye: it seems to work here:
17:04<muhaye>ghantoos, did you change your local settings?
17:04<ghantoos>muhaye: words in your file look like: <word1>\n<abaissâmes>\netc. ?
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17:05<ghantoos>muhaye: I am in en_US.UTF-8
17:05<ghantoos>it's the default one
17:05<muhaye>ghantoos, I'm using this file
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17:07<ghantoos>muhaye: what do you want your grep to output?
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17:08<ghantoos>all alpha words?
17:08<muhaye>like the example you showed me
17:08<ghantoos>did you try egrep '[[:alpha:]]' ?
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17:09<muhaye>that one works!
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17:11<ghantoos>muhaye: something to do with the \< and \>
17:11<muhaye>than I can't do this grep '[[:alpha:]]{3,6}'
17:12<muhaye>I'd like to extract words from 3->6 chars!
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17:12<InkBottle>Hi, would you know channels to discuss about printing/printers? (I've got a problem I'm already asking it on cups, but it is not not related to cups)
17:12<tsx>Etch is which version of Debian?
17:13<ghantoos>muhaye: i see..
17:14<muhaye>ghantoos, it's for a puzzle game!
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17:14<muhaye>ghantoos, words puzzle game
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17:18<ml|>!tell tsx -about testing
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17:22<cheal>!tell tsx about etch
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17:24<ghantoos>muhaye: the way to get words between 3 and 6 characters is: egrep "^[:alpha:]{3,6}$"
17:24<ghantoos>muhaye: but it won't include the words with accents (éçà, etc.)
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17:26<ghantoos>muhaye: it seems [:alpha:] won't include those characters here..
17:26<muhaye>I see...
17:26<muhaye>with "[[" instead of "["
17:26<ghantoos>muhaye: your file only has words
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17:27<ghantoos>what you can do, is simply: egrep "^.{3,6}$"
17:27<ghantoos>it will output all line between 3 and 6 characters (any character will match)
17:27<muhaye>ghantoos, but the french won't be happy if I remove there words with accent
17:27<muhaye>ghantoos, let me checks
17:28<muhaye>ghantoos, nop!
17:28<muhaye>ghantoos, same resutlt
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17:30<sthefanye>Algéein qéer tcêe comigoo
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17:32<ghantoos>muhaye: it has something to do with your file
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17:32<ghantoos>muhaye: i just opened it and copy/paste the content into a new file
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17:32<ghantoos>muhaye: and now it works
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17:33<ghantoos>muhaye: it has something do with the encoding of the "txt" file
17:34<muhaye>ghantoos, u right!
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17:34<muhaye>ghantoos, many thx
17:34<ghantoos>muhaye: my pleasure! :)
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17:59<MattD>anyone up for a question about burning cds? (k3b calls it a permissions problem, but i have triple checked and the permissions are set proper). Burning in command line produces coasters also
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18:00<locklace>those are separate issues
18:00<locklace>what exactly happens when you try to burn from the commandline
18:01<MattD>can't remember and didn't save those outputs (i do remember that it said something went wrong with wimdo) i was using cdrecord
18:01<stuckey>MattD: Tried using wodim?
18:02<MattD>yeah that was what it said had problems
18:02<locklace>MattD: try calling wodim from a vt console after killing the hal processes
18:03<MattD>vt hal??
18:03<MattD>I'm still a little bit of a noob
18:04<locklace>do you know how to use your system without x
18:04<MattD>yeah, for the most part
18:05<locklace>ok. so stop x, log in from the console, stop hal ("invoke-rc.d hal stop"), and try wodim
18:06<MattD>curious what is hal?
18:06<bja>MattD: Hardware abstaction layer
18:06<locklace>that question leads to a spiral downward into pain
18:06<tsx>Is aptitude clean a good command to run?
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18:07<MattD>and when i go back to ctr-alt-F7 will i have to do a xstart or a complete reboot? (how do i get my graphics back after this)
18:07<ml|>!tell tsx -about aptitude
18:08<bja>MattD: /etc/init.d/gdm restart or startx
18:09<MattD>ok looks like /etc/ini.d/kdm for me
18:10<ml|>tsx: /msg dpkg why aptitude
18:11<themill>tsx: if you want disk space back and don't tend to uninstall/reinstall software, then aptitude clean is a good plan
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18:15<InkBottle>would someone know a channel about postscript (or better pdf)
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18:15<dr|zed>InkBottle: What are you trying to achieve?
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18:16<InkBottle>dr|z3d: hack pdf files
18:16<dr|zed>If you just want functional PDF, no questions asked, grab Adobe's Reader.
18:17<dr|zed>Ah, you want a PDF editor, then?
18:17<InkBottle>what is adobe's reader?
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18:17<dr|zed>Adobe do a PDF reader for Linux.
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18:17<bja>InkBottle: pdftk, pdfedit, but remember it is a worm format, write once read many
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18:18<bremner>dr|zed: Mostly I prefer kpdf to acrobat
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18:20<dr|zed>bremner: Yeah, sure, me too. Anything but Adobe.. I just thought InkBottle was expressing general frustration with pdf reading.
18:20<InkBottle>dr|z3d: ;)
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18:22<InkBottle>dr|z3d: pdftoide is +very+ interesting
18:22<bja>!tell InkBottle about fill pdf forms
18:23<InkBottle>bja: my aim is more, been able to read the code as you can do for postscript code
18:23<InkBottle>I would like to clean it for it to be lighter
18:24<InkBottle>(the file to be lighter)
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18:25<MattD>I'm starting to got timed out errors
18:26<dr|z3d>InkBottle: Have a look at qpdf as well, perhaps.
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18:26<MattD>failed opcode (not sure what that means), but it wrote 65 MBs to it
18:27<InkBottle>dr|z3d: seems interesting
18:28<InkBottle>dr|z3d: I didn't know it
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18:29<bja>dr|z3d: more or less what pdftk does
18:29<InkBottle>dr|z3d: knew pdftk, pdfedit, pdftoide
18:29<MattD>ide-cd: cmd 0x3 timed out (this was the first one it threw)
18:29<dr|z3d>MattD: That usually means you have bad blocks on the drive.
18:29<InkBottle>bja: really? (ok i'll have a look at it anyway)
18:30<MattD>as in bad sectors on my hard drive?
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18:30<dr|z3d>MattD: As in. Yes.
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18:31<MattD>I don't think that's it this hard drive is only a couple of months old and i scanned it when i got it
18:31<locklace>MattD: what does "dmesg | tail" return
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18:32<MattD>hdc: drive not ready for command
18:33<locklace>MattD: what kernel version is this? what is your ide cabling/controller setup?
18:33<MattD>do you want me to kill my burning process? i have just left it running on another tty
18:33<MattD>I think it is the newest version (i'm running lenny)
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18:35<MattD>ide cabling controller setup? not sure what you mean by this
18:35<locklace>MattD: what kind of drive? anything else running on the same controller?
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18:36<MattD>not sure, it's a stock gateway MX6445 laptop
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18:38<locklace>MattD: does "wodim -scanbus" work fine? any other errors in dmesg or /var/log/messages etc. about the drive?
18:39<Aleric2>Seems I lost the gnome theme of my windows for the umptiest time after an upgrade :(
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18:40<Aleric>Why do they have to constantly change my terminal fonts? :/
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18:41<MattD>I thd a way to kill this burn, because the scanbus is giving me the same errors the burner is
18:41<MattD>I think I need to find*
18:42<locklace>at least that gives a way to test without making coasters ;)
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18:44<deniz>how do i install latex?
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18:46<MattD>I think i'm going to postpone working on this, I have finals to study for and this isn't that important
18:46<MattD>talk to ya'll after finals
18:47<locklace>MattD: think you have either a hw/firmware problem or on the offchance are hitting a kernel issue
18:47<locklace>MattD: suggest trying latest kernel from sid; when you reboot, check for any bios settings related to the drive, and also make sure you're running the latest bios
18:48<MattD>don't think this is a kernel issue probably hardware this is the second debian install, and it did this with the last install
18:48<locklace>try the sid kernel anyway, it's a quick and easy test
18:49<MattD>I've never flashed the bios in this machine.
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18:49<setuid>I'm trying to use some of the fonts in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ by passing '-fn <font name>' to xterm. For a bunch of them (but not all), it tells me it can't find them, and defaults to font 'fixed'.
18:49<setuid>I've run mkfontdir and mkfontscale in there, and it still does it. What am I missing?
18:50<setuid>I'm running Lenny
18:50<locklace>setuid: do the strings you're passing as the argument to -fn appear in the output of xlsfonts
18:50<setuid>xterm: unable to open font "8x130", trying "fixed"....
18:50<setuid>Lemme check
18:50<setuid>Nope, they do not
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18:50<locklace>so your x doesn't know about these fonts
18:51<MattD>I'll try the sid kernal after finals, thank you for your time and effort
18:51<locklace>try "xset fp rehash"
18:51<setuid>locklace, Yep, done rehash many times... same thing
18:51<setuid>I mean, many times in past years, to solve other font issues, but not this one
18:52<locklace>not sure then, if they appear in the fonts.dir file and that directory is in your font path as it should be (double-check with xset q), then x should find them with the rehash
18:52<setuid>Some of my favorite fonts (from artwiz) are no longer in Debian either :(
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18:54<Hessophanes>setuid: Where did you find the font "8x130"?
18:58<Aleric>I was, and still am, using 'monospace 12' ... but it changed dramatically :/
18:59<setuid>fonts.dir:lime.pcf.gz -artwiz-lime-medium-r-normal--10-110-75-75-m-50-iso8859-1
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19:02<setuid>Hrm, how do I use that font? That's the one I prefer, and the one that used to work when I had a previous Debian build... but not this one
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19:04<deniz>is there a way to force my cpu to be idle wen the screensaver is active? (by idle i mean to force cpu usage to be low unless im using it)
19:04<deniz>it being the computer
19:04<dr|z3d>deniz: Sure. Choose a low cpu screensaver.
19:05<locklace>setuid: pass that last huge word as an argument to -fn
19:05<enouf>deniz: does the screensaver use the cpu?
19:05<setuid>locklace, Tried, it doesn't recognize it
19:05<enouf>otherewise, set config_no_hz in your kernel
19:05<deniz>dr|z3d, no i mean wen i leave my comp, the cpu is always being used excessively and the fans are going crazy, i dont want to stop the cooling, i want to stop the intenseive usage (i think it's always iceweasels fault because i have a million windows and tabs open)
19:05<enouf>find out what else is happening
19:05<setuid>locklace, How do I get the fonts into whatever xlsfonts reads?
19:06<locklace>!tell deniz about cpufreq
19:06<enouf>ssh in from elsewhere if needed
19:06<setuid>locklace, The lime font faces are in fonts.scale and fonts.dir
19:07<ComradeHaz>hey guys. Could someone point me in teh right direction for creating a partition on an lvm partition if you know what I mean. (I created the lvm partition at boot but did not 'use' it.)
19:07<locklace>setuid: as i said, if they are in fonts.dir, that directory is in your font path, and you've done an xset fp rehash, x should find them. if it doesn't, don't know what to tell you.
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19:08<locklace>ComradeHaz: you mean create an lv
19:08<locklace>!tell ComradeHaz about lvm2
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19:08<ComradeHaz>well, no
19:09<ComradeHaz>I've created teh volume, it's just 'blank'. I need tools to mess with the lvm partitions, I guess
19:09<locklace>ComradeHaz: first you run pvcreate on the raw partition, then create a volume group comprising that pv, then create lvs within the vg
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19:09<locklace>ComradeHaz: once you've done that last bit, you make a filesystem on the lv with mkfs, mount it, and you're done
19:09<ComradeHaz>I've done that
19:10<ComradeHaz>ok, so that's what I need to do, make the filesystem on it
19:10<locklace>you treat the lv like any other disk partition in this respect
19:10<ComradeHaz>hmm, that's what I thought, but gparted cannot 'see' the individual lv's
19:10<locklace>that's the point of an lv: it's backed by all the lvm machinery so you can do clever things with it, but to everything else it just looks like a disk partition
19:11<locklace>you're confusing partitions with volumes and filesystems
19:11<ComradeHaz>hmm, very probably :/
19:11<locklace>partitions are sections of your physical disk, defined in the disk's partition table
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19:12<locklace>you have a single physical disk partition dedicated to lvm usage; from lvm's point of view, that partition is your pv
19:12<ComradeHaz>right, so essentuially having the one lv (and boot) is 2 part's right?
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19:12<locklace>yes, so if those are your two physical partitions, that's what you should see on an fdisk -l
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19:14<ComradeHaz>it also shows a load of /dev/dm-0 's
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19:14<ComradeHaz>(which it claims do not contain valid partition tables)
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19:14<locklace>fdisk? that's interesting
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19:15<locklace>what's your physical disk identifier (sda, sdb, hda, ...)
19:15<ComradeHaz>$b$b/dev/sda1 * 1 31 248976 83 Linux
19:15<ComradeHaz>$b$b/dev/sda2 32 19457 156039345 8e Linux LVM
19:16<locklace>ok, fine
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19:16<ComradeHaz>followed by that is all the spam
19:16<ComradeHaz>I can pastebin it or something if you want
19:16<locklace>so sda1 is your /boot, and sda2 is your lvm pv
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19:17<locklace>yes, paste the output of: "fdisk -l", "fdisk -l /dev/sda", "cat /proc/partitions", "pvs", "vgs", "lvs"
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19:18<setuid>locklace, Nothing I can do seems to get these fonts seen... not even editing /etc/fonts/fonts.conf, and putting them in ~/.fonts/
19:18<OnlyWhisky>Hello! My debian removes /usr/lib/ after every reboot.
19:18<locklace>setuid: fontconfig and x font system are two different things
19:19<locklace>setuid: the fonts.conf and ~/.fonts stuff is fontconfig, the fonts.dir and xlsfonts and xset fp stuff is old-school x
19:19<setuid>hrm, ok
19:19<locklace>OnlyWhisky: hehe
19:20<locklace>setuid: x fonts stuff these days essentially reduces to pain
19:20<setuid>locklace, Right, but in my case, I NEED super-small fonts, anything larger than about 6pt might as well be a billboard for my eyesight
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19:20<locklace>setuid: suggest grovelling through the fontconfig stuff and trying to get your fonts to work through fontconfig instead of old x, just as something else to try
19:21<setuid>My gnome fonts for example, are 5.7998 in size, the smallest I could make them
19:21<locklace>you can use the fc-* tools to check/work with fonts from the point of view of fontconfig
19:21<locklace>i.e. they should appear on fc-list
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19:22<locklace>then you can try using them with some application (the exact way to do that is application-specific)
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19:22<setuid>I just want these smaller fonts accessible via xterm/aterm/eterm
19:22<setuid>I go through this every time I upgrade or install debian, and eventually I get it working, but never remember what exactly I end up doing that triggers it
19:23<locklace>xterm natively supports freetype fonts now iirc. do the fc-list and try those, and read the xterm docs on freetype support
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19:24<setuid>locklace, Not the xterm in lenny, apparently
19:24<ComradeHaz>ok, locklace:
19:24<setuid>Doesn't support any fonts displayed by fc-list
19:25<locklace>setuid: just for testing purposes, you can install e.g. rxvt-unicode which definitely does, syntax is "-fn xft:<some freetype font name>"
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19:26<locklace>ComradeHaz: great. so indeed, you have two physical partitions, one for /boot, and one for "everythiing else", which is dedicated to lvm, and is your single lvm pv
19:26<setuid>Yep, rxvt-unicode supports that, but it doesn't have an alt-middle-click context menu like xterm
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19:27<locklace>ComradeHaz: you have one vg called athena, and 7 lvs set up within it
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19:27<locklace>setuid: i suggested it as a testing step, i didn't say you had to wed it
19:27<ComradeHaz>yup, locklace, 6 of those also contail file systems, win7 does not yet
19:27<setuid>locklace, Right, so that works
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19:28<locklace>setuid: so then just a matter of ensuring you're using an application that supports xft
19:28<ComradeHaz>I'm gonna play with virtualbox and give win7 its own partition, however, I've been advised to let linux mount the drive and use the virtual disk system of virtualbox
19:29<ComradeHaz>so now I want to create an ext3 file system on lv 'win7' - can you tell me how I do that?
19:29<locklace>ComradeHaz: haven't used vb but typically vms can use either a file or a partition for their virtual disks
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19:29<locklace>ComradeHaz: sure, man mke2fs
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19:30<locklace>ComradeHaz: rough synopsis: "mke2fs -j -t ext3 -m 1 /dev/mapper/win7"
19:30<locklace>or /dev/mapper/athena-win7 or whatever it calls it
19:31<ComradeHaz>ah, I was expecting: mkfs -t ext3 -m 1 -v /dev/mapper/athena-win7
19:31<ComradeHaz>is there any difference?
19:31<setuid>I'm beginning to think this is a bug
19:32<ComradeHaz>by the way, everyone, there is efficially an issue with exim4 and localities atm, I know a workaround :)
19:32<locklace>ComradeHaz: only difference is the -j, see man mke2fs for details
19:33<setuid>damn damn damn
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19:34<ComradeHaz>so why did you give it the 'j' - you didn;t appear to pass another parameter to go with the j....
19:34<ComradeHaz>(ie size or device)
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19:35<ComradeHaz>and what's the difference between mkfs and mke2fs
19:35<locklace>maybe you have the bizarro-land version of man mke2fs
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19:36<ComradeHaz>I could be miss-reading :)
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19:37<ComradeHaz>I was looking at -J
19:37<ComradeHaz>not -j :)
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19:39<setuid>'xterm -fa' doesn't work with these either
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19:45<locklace>setuid: what does "ldd `which xterm` | grep free" return
19:46<setuid> => /usr/lib/ (0x00007fa47f6c9000)
19:47<locklace>then you're right, you should be able to pass names listed in "fc-list" as arguments to xterm -fa and have them work
19:49<setuid>Seems nothing is supported
19:49<setuid>-fa just makes one enormous xterm with a huge font... not sure which font it's using, but it's NOT the xft font I'm passing in
19:49<setuid>$ xterm -fa NotARealFont
19:50<setuid>Huge font... no errors though, no warnings
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19:50<locklace>how about "xterm -fa 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=12'"
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19:51<locklace>(i get the huge xterm thing too if i don't add a pixelsize)
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19:53<setuid>hrm, that works, but when they're AA'd at 6-8pt, they're unusable
19:53<setuid>But the same font in the same size in GNOME on the desktop side, looks great, sharp, aliased
19:53<locklace>so add antialias=false
19:54<locklace>yeah, well, x fonts are pain; you can hide from that fact for a little while, but not forever
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19:55<setuid>hrmph! I just want lime and gelly working! :(
19:55<setuid>I don't understand the mechnics here, because SOME fonts in the same font dir work fine, while others do not
19:55<setuid>and they're all listed in the appropriate places
19:55<locklace>let me know when you figure it out
19:57<setuid>Still trying a dozen things
19:57<gd2shoe>Real quick... is this an appropriate place to ask for help with Lenny, or is there a more appropriate channel for that? (specifically, xorg issues with xrandr)
19:57<locklace>gd2shoe: here or an x channel is fine
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19:58<gd2shoe>If I've got this right, those of us using multiple graphics cards and xinerama have been hung out to dry.
19:59<gd2shoe>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that xrandr only supports multiple monitors accross a single card.
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19:59<gd2shoe>And I don't know that xinerama can be enabled at present.
20:00<gd2shoe>(I don't care about acceleration at the workstation in question.)
20:00<locklace>does this not work for you:
20:01<gd2shoe>let me double check your reference, back in a moment...
20:02<ComradeHaz>could anyone tell me how I see the speed one of my NIC's is 'connected at'? (ie 10 or 100 Mb)
20:03<locklace>ComradeHaz: there must be some good command to see link layer status of a nic in linux but i haven't found it yet; the whole "linux tries to do networking" thing is an endless source of irritation
20:03<locklace>ComradeHaz: anyway, "dmesg | egrep 'net|eth'" or similar should tell you
20:04<ComradeHaz>not obviously
20:05<setuid>mii-tool, mii-diag
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20:05<locklace>ComradeHaz: you may have to dig around in /var/log/dmesg and search for the bit where it initialises your card
20:05<gd2shoe>locklace - no, this doesn't describe my problem
20:05<gd2shoe>he has one laptop with one GPU
20:05<ComradeHaz>it tells me it's a 10/100 which I know
20:05<ComradeHaz>I just wonder if it's gone mad and running at half-duplex or something
20:06<gd2shoe>xinerama allowed a single desktop spanning multiple monitors on multiple GPU.
20:06<chealer>ComradeHaz: did you try $ apt-cache search ethernet speed; ?
20:06<locklace>ComradeHaz: there ought to be a message when it actually brings up the link
20:06<ComradeHaz>gd2shoe: it's possible, I had it working once. Sadly, I lost the config file I think - lemme look
20:06<gd2shoe>that page refers to one saying this: "RandR 1.2 does not support multiple boards yet (it's planned for RandR 1.3). It means that any RandR 1.2 aware driver will crash the server if you have 2 boards. Even one board with a RandR 1.2 driver and another board with a classic driver does not work. It just crashes the X server."
20:06<locklace>ComradeHaz: but i guess running "mii-tool" as root does the trick somehow
20:07<gd2shoe>other pages say 1.3 doesn't support this either.
20:07<setuid>ComradeHaz, Read above
20:07<ComradeHaz>oh sorry, didn;t realise you were talking to me
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20:07<Kumool>hello, i have a problem with the tty, it seems that whenever i type something i have to press the key twice just so that it appears once. does anyone know where should i look
20:08<gd2shoe>If you have the config, that would be great (and flies in the face of everything I've read lately).
20:08<ComradeHaz>Kumool: could you type that again please, I didmn;t see it the first time ;)
20:08<locklace>Kumool: heh, this is some known bug/issue with some keyboard package iirc, can't remember which
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20:11<Kumool>ComradeHaz, xD
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20:11<Guest1341>When I try to turn on my computer I get "no inits found try passing init=bootarg"
20:11<Guest1341>is there an easy fix for that ?
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20:11<Guest1341>any help apprecaited
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20:12<locklace>aloon: mount the correct root filesystem
20:12<aloon>with which command ?
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20:12<locklace>one obvious question is how did you end up mounting the wrong root filesystem in the first place
20:12<Kumool>locklace, i have xorg.conf with the xkb intl option, i think that may be it, but i cant really take it out because then i could type in my language
20:13<aloon>i think it was through an update
20:13<aloon>i didnt do anything elese
20:13<locklace>aloon: do you know the id of your root partition (e.g. /dev/sda2)
20:13<setuid>locklace, This MUST be a bug, nothing works
20:13<aloon>if not i have a live cd , but i believe it is sda1
20:14<locklace>Kumool: someone else here may remember which package/version is responsible for this
20:14<setuid>Everything is set up and configured correctly, but the fonts are just ignored
20:14<locklace>setuid: wouldn't be surprised
20:14<aloon>is there a command to list the partitions ?
20:14<locklace>aloon: cat /proc/partitions
20:14<setuid>Font Path:
20:14<setuid> /usr/NX/share/fonts/TTF,/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/,/usr/NX/share/fonts/base,/usr/NX/share/fonts/base,/usr/NX/share/fonts/base
20:14<Kumool>locklace, ok, thanks
20:14<gd2shoe>aloon: fdisk -l #lists all partitions
20:14<setuid>fonts.alias, fonts.dir, fonts.scale, xset fp rehash, etc. all are correct... xlsfonts doesn't list any of these fonts
20:15<setuid>So how do I get xlsfonts to recognize these, so they can be "registered" with X, so I can use them?
20:15<setuid>And why in 2009, is setting up fscking fonts so hard?
20:15<aloon>then what command after i deduce the drive name ?
20:15<aloon>the partition
20:15<locklace>wait till you try to get removable media to auto-mount for you the way you want
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20:16<setuid>aloon, fdisk -l /dev/sd?
20:16<locklace>aloon: the root filesystem is passed as a parameter to the kernel at boot by the bootloader
20:16<aloon>what will that do
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20:16<aloon>will the fdisk command set me straight for boot ?
20:16<locklace>aloon: so you should find out what is getting passed, why it's not correct, what the correct value should be, then change it in the bootloader configuration
20:17<aloon>so in fstab etc ?
20:17<locklace>aloon: if you're using grub, this configuration is located in /boot/grub/menu.lst (or /grub/menu.lst relative to your boot partition if you have one)
20:17<gd2shoe>probably /boot/grub/menu.lst
20:17<aloon>okay ive been there before
20:17<gd2shoe>assuming you're using grub
20:19<gd2shoe>(note, having just joined the channel, I don't know the full scenario for aloon. Take anything I say with a grain of salt.)
20:20<gd2shoe>How many "title" lines do you have? Have you edited this file recently?
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20:24<setuid>This is maddening
20:25<setuid>xlsfonts, xfontsel, xset fp, mkfontdir/mkfontscale, update-fonts-scale/dir/alias, etc. NOTHING seems to find these addiitonal fonts
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20:27<ricardoasa>debhelper: 2-1
20:27<setuid>This is insane... I've spent *HOURS* on this one problem alone
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20:29<gd2shoe>you're telling me! (I've been dealing with mine off and on for the past 2 days) (wish I knew more about x fonts to help you out.)
20:30<setuid>Search for <1>, those are all by me... sigh.
20:30<setuid>Seems this has been a recurring problem, and I should document it, because nobody's fixed this in years
20:30<setuid>And eventually I trip on this time and time again, and fix it, but I can never remember how
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20:31<ricardoasa>debhelper: hola
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20:32<ricardoasa>debhelper: /msg hola
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20:33<gd2shoe>When you're looking for something, why is it always in the last place you look? </sarcasm>
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20:48<setuid>locklace, You still about? Looks like I need to run a font server... the Xorg/X in Lenny doesn't support a lot of the available core fonts
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20:51<Hessophanes>setuid: Downloading artwiz fonts and making X aware of them is working right out of the box here...
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20:51<setuid>Hessophanes, What did you have to do? because it does not work on Lenny
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20:52<chahibi>I would like to use broadcom official wireless driver
20:52<Hessophanes>Downloaded artwiz (google turned up artwiz-aleczapka on, extracted the bz2, xset fp+, xset rehash, voilà.
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20:53<Hessophanes>This is unstable/experimental, but I don't know of any reason why the same shouldn't work on Lenny.
20:53<chahibi>I need to blacklist the default b43 one, however even though I add blacklist b43 to /etc/modprobe.r/blacklist.conf it doesn't take effect
20:54<HALF>made in Russian
20:54<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
20:54<HALF>Кто на русском разговаривает?
20:54<chahibi>privet HALF :)
20:55<HALF>privet chahibi
20:55<bja>chahibi: What was that?
20:55<chahibi>bja: hello in russian
20:56<setuid>$ xset fp+ ~/.fonts/artwiz-aleczapka-en-1.3 && xset fp rehash && xterm -fn lime
20:56<setuid>xterm: unable to open font "lime", trying "fixed"....
20:56<setuid>Hess: Nope, does not work
20:56<HALF>Russian my names Sergey
20:56<Hessophanes>setuid: xset q lists the new directory in fp?
20:56<chahibi>HALF: Доброй ночи ! bye
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20:57<setuid>Hessophanes, Yes, and the fonts are in multiple places (home dir, standard font path, misc font path, etc.)
20:57<setuid>I've tried them all
20:57<Hessophanes>Hm, I see. Ok, I'll try on a Lenny, too...
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20:58<setuid>$ xterm -fn
20:58<setuid>xterm: unable to open font "", trying "fixed"....
20:58<setuid>None of them work
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20:59<setuid>$ xlsfonts | grep -i artwiz
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21:01<chahibi>Isn't blacklist b43 enough to prevent it from loading at boot?
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21:02<setuid>chahibi, If you rebuilt your initrd, of course
21:03<chahibi>setuid: I blacklisted b43 in modprobe.r/blacklist but it still reloads
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21:03<chahibi>setuid: do I need to blacklist dependent modules too?
21:03<bighornram>how do i tell what linux image Im using. synaptic shows 2.6.26-13 linux image is obsolete. should i remove it?
21:04<Hessophanes>setuid: Ok, tried it on an Etch, works smoothly as well. Didn't find a Lenny machine with X yet.
21:04<ComradeHaz>so, guys, what's teh best way to compile software in debian? is there any shortcuts from the usual ./configure, make, make-install using dpkg or somesuch?
21:04<setuid>Hessophanes, Something is different on Lenny then... I've been all over xfontsel/xlsfonts/fontconfig, ~/.fonts/, /etc/fonts/*, /usr/share/fonts/X11/*, mkfontdir/scale/alias, update-fonts-dir/scale/alias, etc.
21:04<setuid>Nothing works
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21:05<setuid>ComradeHaz, That should be configure && make && make test && sudo make install, but you could use checkinstall or debuild
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21:05<ptr>hi all
21:05<setuid>Never EVER configure or build software as root, ever
21:05<setuid>And if you must, do it in a sandbox/chroot jail
21:05<ComradeHaz>is there anything that deals with all the dependancies like aptitude does?
21:06<ptr>just wondering... why is it that no version of kvm newer than -72 has made it out of experimental yet?
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21:06<setuid>ComradeHaz, apt-get source pkgname, then debuild that
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21:07<ComradeHaz>what's a sandbox/chroot jail
21:07<ComradeHaz>and sadly, I'm not really following: [01:59:52] <setuid> ComradeHaz, apt-get source pkgname, then debuild that
21:08<ComradeHaz>I'm talking about stuff that just comes as a tar.gz
21:09<bighornram>I have a package on hold but when I do aptitude safe-upgrade it wants to upgrade it anyway. Is there a way to fix this?
21:09<ptr>ComradeHaz: chroot is a command that allows you to run a command in an environment where directory of your choice appears the as root directory---a 'jail' within the filesystem from which it shouldn't be able to escape. See 'info chroot'
21:10<ptr>wow. me fail english?
21:10<ptr>that's unpossible
21:10<ComradeHaz>!info chroot
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21:11<ComradeHaz>so do I just do chroot followed by the other commands?
21:12<cockroach>is there a way to disable/enable individual sysrq keys? it seems i can do pretty much anything except 'b'.
21:12<ComradeHaz>(chroot that is)
21:12<ptr>well, you need to create a working fake system within the chroot directory first. One way to do this would be with debootstrap
21:12<ptr>if you can do this as a non-root user, though
21:12<ptr>do that
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21:12<ComradeHaz>this is really neccessary?
21:13<cockroach>ComradeHaz: what are you trying to do?
21:13<ptr>No. Don't build it as root :) This is a precaution to prevent the build process from fucking up your system, which it can't do if it's run as non-root
21:13<ComradeHaz>mostly learn, but on this occasion the missus wants songbbird
21:14<Hessophanes>setuid: Ok, confirmed even on Lenny.
21:14<ComradeHaz>that's what I said until Irealised she was serious :D
21:14<cockroach>and you want to compile it yourself?
21:14<ComradeHaz>I have to afaict
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21:14<setuid>Hessophanes, Then your config must be different from the default
21:14<setuid>Hessophanes, This Lenny build is less than 2-3 hours old, not customized in any way
21:14<Hessophanes>setuid: I've just installed the whole X machinery from scratch on that machine.
21:15<cockroach>i haven't realy tried, but what about
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21:15<Hessophanes>There wasn't even an X server a few minutes ago. ;)
21:15<cockroach>(damn terminal)
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21:16<cockroach>(okay, it's kinda outdated i guess)
21:16<ComradeHaz>ARRGH cockroach could you say that again
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21:16<ComradeHaz>I cleared bugffer :D
21:16<ComradeHaz>(instead of opening link)
21:16<setuid>Hessophanes, Out of the box on the latest Lenny, it doesn't work.
21:16<setuid>I'm going to add a FontPath to my xorg.conf
21:16<cockroach>ComradeHaz: heh. basically, just get the binary from
21:17<ComradeHaz>I have
21:17<cockroach>so unpack and run
21:17<ComradeHaz>there doen't appear to be a ./configure
21:18<ComradeHaz>so what do I run?
21:19<Hessophanes>setuid: Ok, just to make sure: your $DISPLAY is pointing at the right X server? :)
21:19<setuid>Hessophanes, I"m using nxclient on Windows to reach the Lenny machine
21:20<setuid>So it's running X as if it was a local instance
21:20<cockroach>ComradeHaz: hold on
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21:21<cockroach>ComradeHaz: ./songbird
21:21<setuid>Maybe nxserver doesn't run "real" X
21:21<ComradeHaz>ok, I see
21:22<Hessophanes>Well, artwiz is nothing special, if xlsfonts is working at all, those fonts should, too.
21:22<setuid>$ xlsfonts *artw*
21:22<setuid>xlsfonts: pattern "*artw*" unmatched
21:22<setuid>Nope, xlsfonts doesn't see them
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21:22<setuid>I even statically added a FontPath arg to xorg.conf, to put /home/setuid/.fonts/ into there
21:22<setuid>Still nothing
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21:24<setuid>Ok, works if I pass the long name, but only from the local console
21:25<setuid>So nxserver, though it runs GNOME and gnome-session and sawfish, it isn't actually running X
21:25<Hessophanes>setuid: Maybe try to google for "nxclient xlsfonts", turns up things like this:
21:25<Hessophanes>Seems to be NX-related, indeed.
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21:27<setuid>I think I have an idea
21:27<setuid>I started nxserver before setting up artwiz fonts, let me shut it down and restart
21:27<setuid>Maybe it caches the old, pre-artwiz font paths
21:29<setuid>Nope, that didn't work either
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21:31<setuid>nxagent is looking for all kinds of legacy font paths
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21:32<scientes>why cant rubygems be attached to apt so they can peacefully coexist?
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21:45<mark__>Has anyone successfully installed the ATI proprietary driver (fglrx) on debian-AMD64?
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21:51<cathederal`>evening all
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22:24<deniz>does anyone know the exact package name of latex so that i can apt-get install it?
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22:25<dr|z3d>deniz: apt-cache search latex
22:25<enouf>judd: versions latex
22:25<judd>enouf: latex --
22:25<enouf>judd: versions tetex
22:25<judd>enouf: tetex --
22:25<reinolds2>is there a 64bit web browser for debian?
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22:26<enouf>anything that runs natively on amd64 is 64 bit
22:26<corge`>but why do you need one?
22:26<corge`>or are you just asking
22:27<reinolds2>no firefox that comes in is x686 and way to ubstable
22:27<corge`>flock is 64bit me thinks
22:27<reinolds2>i tried win7 and had a 64bit browser and WOW
22:28<reinolds2>thanx i will check
22:28<enouf>english only please
22:28<corge`>wow what?
22:28<reinolds2>it is fast
22:28<reinolds2>i have never seen rendering done so smoothly and quickly
22:29<dr|z3d>It's no faster than Vista, mosly. Benchmarks are within 5% for most stuff.
22:29<enouf>someone mentioned firepoop? ... makes me crave chernobylly hot buffalo wings .. with extra blue cheese
22:29<reinolds2>i read the benchmarks but when i tried it i was surpised
22:30<dr|z3d>You're probably seeing the maturity of the graphics drivers and a power cpu combo.
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22:30<dr|z3d>If it flies on 7, it will go into orbit on Linux.
22:30<enouf>reinolds2: win98 + ie4 is fast = if you want the linux equiv use links2 -g
22:30<corge`>i dont think i will use win7 just due to the fact that you can't go to classic start menu
22:31<dr|z3d>Windows is losing its relevance.
22:32<reinolds2>the thing that bugs me about linux, and this is for all the distros, is that once you put some eye candy on the Xserver becomes extremly unstable
22:32<corge`>agreed dr|
22:32<sney>X is full of hacks
22:32<reinolds2>and by eye candy i mean compizing and AWNing the distro
22:32<sney>it should be replaced
22:33<dr|z3d>When you can run Photoshop and Office2007 on Linux easily with Wine, you *know* Windows time has passed.
22:34<reinolds2>if Xservers stability was increased it would be scary the market share increase linux distros would get
22:34<reinolds2>until than unless one is not a total computer noob Win or Mac are the only choices
22:34<dr|z3d>Improving all the time.
22:35<dr|z3d>My mom uses Ubuntu. What can I say? Linux has arrived. :)
22:36<dr|z3d>I put Ubuntu on a machine for a friend. Dual booting with Windows.
22:36<reinolds2>so does mine but i have to go at her house every 3 days or so and at least run fsck or other minor adjustment
22:36<dr|z3d>When I come back, I notice Limewire's been installed in Wine.
22:37<dr|z3d>When Ubuntu crashes, his friends complain that Windows is crap.
22:37<dr|z3d>I mean, they complain that using Windows they like not.
22:37<dr|z3d>It's funny.
22:37<dr|z3d>And yet they don't really grasp the difference.
22:37<reinolds2>how well does wine work on 64bit for you guys
22:40<corge`>dont use it
22:40<ootput>reinolds2: desktop market share currently @ ~ 1%
22:41<corge`>all command line here
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22:42<reinolds2>corge`:buy a mouse man its not that expensive lol
22:43<corge`>no need for a mouse
22:44<corge`>i run linux on my servers, not really any use for it for desktop for me
22:45<reinolds2>let me guess you use win on the desktop lol
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22:46<corge`>yeah, actually
22:47<corge`>i run active directory at work, so easier to do so with MMC in windows
22:47<corge`>i run debian on several of my servers, so that's why i'm here
22:47<ootput>it's easier to get the preferred desktop environment in Windows than in Linux
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22:48<ootput>and with server environment with Linux than in Windows
22:48<jrabbit>corge`: learn LDAP
22:48<corge`>uh, windows active directory has a lot more in it than just ldap
22:48<ootput>so it boils down to how much free time you have to waste on tinkering with config files..
22:49<enouf>your mum is slightly ... er .. retarded?
22:49<corge`>man, i come in here during the days and help out as much as i can, say i run debian on my servers, mention that i run windows on my desktop and i catch shit for it
22:49<corge`>imagine that
22:49<reinolds2>have you guys tried winServer 2008? It is supposed to be quite user friendly and powerful
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22:50<ootput>corge`: /ignore is handy some times
22:50<enouf>limewire + wine == molotov cocktail :-p
22:50<ootput>busy people with busy schedules
22:51<corge`>jrabbit: your only comment is, "learn ldap"? come up with something better than that please
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22:51<dpkg>from memory, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
22:51<enouf>NEWSFLASH "Really .. this time .. we mean it .. Redmond is 'Friendly'"
22:52*enouf pukes due to allthe sheepleness-speak
22:53<ootput>ignore enouf - he's almost always psychotic ;)
22:53<enouf>... but for those times i'm not :-p .. MIT is calling :-p
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23:15<f_9>hello everybody
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23:18<corge`>evening f_9
23:19<f_9>hello corge, how are you?
23:20<corge`>peachy, yourself?
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23:20<hotcat>who can give me an example about the usage of s.replace() in python?
23:21<hotcat>i can't use it correctly.
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23:22<corge`>string replace?
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23:34<shze>I'm trying to compile a vanilla kernel with kernel-package. debs created with 11.* work, while 12.* don't find root-fs and kernel-panic.
23:35<shze>I used --initrd. I did not add the post|pre-inst scripts, but I got menu entries to grub added anyway.
23:35<shze>what am I missing?
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23:38<cockroach>shze: afaik there were changes in the way the initrd is built. check the kernel-package docs
23:38<shze>cockroach: I read them, but I couldn't find a reason..
23:39<cockroach>shze: did you read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/NEWS.Debian.gz?
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23:40<shze>cockroach: yes, but the latest change talks about kernel-pkg 10.051, nothing about 11.* or even 12.*
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23:41<shze>oh wait, I went back to 11.*
23:41<cockroach>shze: i beg to fiffer
23:41<shze>I should install 12.* again :)
23:41<cockroach>you should :)
23:41<cockroach>*d*iffer, even
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23:47<simonrvn>heh, fiffer, funny typo
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23:54<shze>does o) in Problems.gz really mean I have to built on ext3 to be able to boot a kernel built with this new version of kernel-pkg?
23:54<shze>built in*
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