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---Logopened Sat May 09 00:00:52 2009
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00:10<cockroach>shze: i don't think so.
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00:14<shze>hmm, but o) mentions either missing --initrd or built-in root-fs type as cause, and I have used --initrd;
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00:15<cockroach>yes it does. but since it *does* mention initrd, i assume you did it wrong somehow (not using an initrd myself, so i can't help - slightly scared of initrds)...
00:16<shze>but the same config works with kernel-pkg 11.*, that's my only change :(
00:17<cockroach>but i think the initrd mechanism changed (see NEWS.Debian)
00:18<shze>yeah, I saw that. but what I am booting from then? because it finds something and boots until it tries to find its root-fs..
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00:19<cockroach>hrm, no idea. i don't know what the kernel does when it gets, eg., an empty initrd.
00:20<cockroach>can't you somehow mount it? have a look inside?
00:20<shze>probably. let me try.
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00:22<shze>cockroach: what do you use if not initrds?
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00:26<cockroach>shze: i just compile the stuff i need into the kernel.
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00:28<etereo>is there a way to put debian 5.0 on usb flash drive
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00:29<etereo>whats the easiest way possible
00:30<corge`>well, for one
00:30<corge`>for two,
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00:33<johnfg>hi guys
00:33<cockroach>well, it's getting late/early around here, i'm off. have a good night.
00:34<johnfg>I asked a question in kerberos, but I guess there's no one there.
00:34<johnfg>Anyway, I've installed and configure kerberos on debian/lenny successfully.
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00:34<johnfg>It runs and works fine from the cli.
00:35<johnfg>However, even though there are scripts in init.d, they won't start the kerberos. But it starts up fine from the cli.
00:35<johnfg>I can paste from the log file (at the right place, of course) if there's any one who may be able to help.
00:36<johnfg>In fact, here it is:
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00:43<corge`>i wouldnt know where to even start with that...
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00:46<ZehRique>Hello, friends. Yesterday I installed the Lenny stable version but I'd like to use GNOME 2.26 instead of 2.22. Is there a way to install it within the stable version? If yes, how should I do? Thanks in advance.
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00:53<markrian>ZehRique: there is no easy way to do that
00:56<ZehRique>markrian: yes, I've noticed. But using this command 'aptitude install -t unstable gnome' won't install the latest GNOME version?
00:58<ZehRique>markrian: before trying to install I can check it with aptitude to see if the 2.26 version is in the unstable repository, am I sure?
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01:17<Steven_M>hi all
01:19<Steven_M>I'm running the 2.6.26-1-amd64 kernel, does this security advisory apply to me?:
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01:26<hieu_starcraft>I need some help in internet connection
01:26<hieu_starcraft>I can not connect to internet using debian but I can do it in ubuntu
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01:27<acu1>is any easy tutorial to setup a mail server (preferrably with postfix, dovecot, postgresql - in lenny ?
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01:29<ZehRique>Steven_M: See the Description section of the following page and judge by yourself. IMHO this DSA is applicable to you.
01:31<ZehRique>hieu_starcraft: What is happening with your machine. Maybe I can help you.
01:32<Steven_M>thanks :)
01:32<hieu_starcraft>Since I installed the Debian
01:34<hieu_starcraft>And it had like the network configuration, it recognized my wifi and wired card, but can not configure the thing call DHCP or something like that
01:34<hieu_starcraft>I compile a new kernel for my Debian but It still doesn't work.
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01:36<sidux>eeepc 1000ha...go, no go?
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01:39<prassyy>after installing debian, it no longer shows the recovery partition in my thinkpad -- any way i can get it back?
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01:40<hieu_starcraft>prassyy: when you installed it, do you pick your whole hardrive
01:41<hieu_starcraft>if you did, it had been formated, I think you can not get it back.
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01:41<prassyy>no i had two partitions - c: my windows, d: i had made using partiton manager, i simply provided that space and the hidden was hidden or so I did not
01:42<prassyy>its no longer found in my grub menu but i can see it from window disk manager
01:42<hieu_starcraft>so basically it's still there, nothing happended.
01:43<prassyy>hieu_starcraft: excuse me, am very new to linux, yes i think so but could you guide me how to get that in my grub menu
01:43<hieu_starcraft>what do you mean by didn't show up? cuss I don't have a recovery partition on my computer
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01:44<prassyy>the grub menu has options for booting windows and lenny and not the recovery menu i always used to get after cliking the access ibm button when using windows only
01:45<hieu_starcraft>ok, are you on debian right now or window
01:45<ganteng>how about installing canon ip1600 printer on ubuntu
01:46<prassyy>had to update my ipod :p
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01:47<hieu_starcraft>can you change to debian
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01:47<hieu_starcraft>and run the gparted
01:47<prassyy>give me a min i will boot my laptop
01:48<hieu_starcraft>I think you should write it down to a piece of paper
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01:48<Steven_M>ZehRique: the thing I don't understand is that they're sugesting version 2.6.18 as the update and I'm already up to 2.6.26
01:48<hieu_starcraft>you use gparted
01:49<prassyy>i have it -- never used it before
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01:49<prassyy>im new to linux , but learning each day
01:49<hieu_starcraft>see what /dev/sda* is similar to your recovery partition
01:49<enouf>prassyy: you likely wiped any "recovery" crap partition - silly you - but, if you can't see it or find it, try ##ibmthinkpad on - they might know more specifics
01:50<hieu_starcraft>look at the Size
01:50<enouf>fdisk -l
01:50<hieu_starcraft>yeah, that work
01:50<enouf>as root user
01:50<ootput>may sai
01:50<prassyy>enouf: thank you :)
01:51<prassyy>yes its 4.1 GB i know that
01:51<ootput>don't feel bad.. i wiped my rec. partition on my x40 by accident too
01:51<ZehRique>Steven_M: hmm... weird. ¬¬
01:51<ootput>got me to use lx full time though :)
01:52<prassyy>no i havent wiped it hehe its there, just i dont know how to get to it :)
01:52<prassyy>but yes one more thing i have this ibm tp r51 and i still dont know how to connect online as i cannot setup my wifi intel card...
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01:53<prassyy>enouf: i have connected to but how to use #ibmthinkpad -- not much used to irc
01:53<redust>hi, how do you set pe=roxy in xchat?
01:54<enouf>prassyy: /join ##ibmthinkpad .. how did you get here?
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01:55<prassyy>well im using ubuntu and have this xchat -- i clicked on network and found freenode i clicked connect
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01:56<prassyy>enouf: its the same way i connect to debian by looking it up from the network list
01:57<ml|>prassyy: watch the boot massage for boot options, but i believe it is F11
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01:58<prassyy>ml|: ok
01:59<Ouro>this is quite off topic: is it possible to set the precision of bezier curves in ps? mine look jagged in various viewers
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02:00<prassyy>enouf: duh! im so stupid -- ok got it --it simply joined freenode but i needed to join a channel need to learn more before asking such stupid questions -- thanks!
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02:04<gsimmons>prassyy: WRT the R51, ask dpkg about ipw2100 or ipw2200 (e.g. /msg dpkg ipw2100) depending on the wireless LAN chipset within.
02:05<prassyy>gsimmons: thank you but... hmm.... to whom must i send this msg?
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02:06<ml|>prassyy: (e.g. /msg dpkg ipw2100)
02:06<prassyy>i need to write it over here?
02:07<ml|>prassyy: where you aretyping in xchat
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02:07<ml|>got it?
02:08<prassyy>gsimmons: thank you
02:08<prassyy>ml|: thank you
02:09<prassyy>yes i did, but i will learn more about irc than ask such questions here :)
02:09<ml|>ok cool, np l8r
02:09<ml|>and gl
02:09<Ouro>gg hf etc
02:10<simNIX>wonders what grub package is needed in Lenny to get pxegrub ... google not very helpfull yet - tried grub-pc and grub-efi
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02:13<enouf>judd: info pxegrub
02:13<enouf>alrighty then
02:14<enouf>simNIX: /msg dpkg apt-file
02:14<simNIX>ok - ty
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02:17<simNIX>nice tool to learn of - only it dont find the missing pxe.mod or pxegrub ...
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02:19<jjedi>hey i need a little help
02:20<jjedi>i have a proble with my sources.list
02:20<jjedi>when i make
02:20<jjedi>#aptitude update
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02:21<jjedi>the answers --> tried to conect with old server proxy
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02:21<jjedi>i dont understand that
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02:21<kenyon>check your http_proxy environment variable
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02:22<kenyon>also, apt-config dump | grep -i proxy
02:22<jjedi>i disable all in my proxy
02:23<jjedi>uhmm is good choice...
02:23<jjedi> i go
02:23<drakeman>see you guys
02:24<jjedi>wtf.... the same problem
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02:25<prassyy>thank you all my lenny up and running wifi :D
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03:12<wd>prawa dostępu
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03:13<wd>zmiana praw dostępu
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03:14<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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03:24<alys>I need to encrypt a USB thumbdrive. Can someone please recommend a Debian application for this? thank you.
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03:25<Ouro>dmcrypt or loop-aes
03:25<alys>Thank you so much.
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03:28<Ouro>what is the deal with bounding boxes in eps files? i have something like %%BoundingBox: a b c d, but gs still shows the whole page, and epstopdf reports "BoundingBox not found"
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03:29<Ouro>i have yet to find an eps file for which these problems do not occur--does this just not work period?\
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03:31<Ouro>hm, gs shows the boundingbox, but it does not crop to it
03:32<tcsetattr>is the bounding box supposed to be relevant when you view the EPS file by itself, or just when it's actually included from another file?
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03:32<Ouro>i dont know
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03:33<Ouro>the main thing is that the conversion from eps->pdf should not lose the bounding box
03:33<Ouro>perhaps my problem is just with epstopdf
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03:34<tcsetattr>is the BoundingBox supposed to do clipping, or just provide a hint for the renderer to help it decide how much space to allocate for the image before it starts rendering?
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03:36<Ouro>clipping is separate i believe
03:38<tcsetattr>OK, so if we've decided that the BoundingBox is not supposed to clip, what are you complaining about?
03:38<tcsetattr>I wasn't trying to trick you by the way, I really didn't know the answers to those questions...
03:38<Ouro>i am not quite certain actually
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03:39<Ouro>let me do a few experiments
03:40<tcsetattr>if it is a "hint" type of thing, then the EPS file creator would be obligated to make sure nothing exists outside the bounding box, and the renderer would have no obligation to pay attention to the bounding box if it didn't want to
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03:42<Ouro>i agree with this reasoning, but usually the renderer does respect the boundingbox
03:42<Ouro>e.g. if i include the figure in tex, only the bounded area is included
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03:43<tcsetattr>I would classify that as "if your EPS file's boundingbox doesn't correctly describe the boundaries of the figure painted by the included postscript commands, anything can happen"
03:43<tcsetattr>I find tools like "ps2epsi", "psfixbb" to fix the bounding box
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03:44<Ouro>i just manually made the box smaller than the graphics, pdflatex clipped the figure as expected
03:45<Ouro>my bounding box is actually correct, i am most confused about why epstopdf thinks one does not exist at all
03:45<Ouro>let me try a direct-to-pdf flow instead
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03:59<Ouro>ok i figured out the problem
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03:59<Ouro>i was calling 'epstopdf -hires' which requires a HiResBoundingBox
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04:02<Ouro>as far as the distinction between bounding boxes and clipping: i believe that there are ps commands for clipping, so bounding boxes are probably not intended for this and should be larger than the graphics
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04:02<Ouro>on the other hand, it still makes sense for the renderer to clip to the bounding box should it be smaller
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04:03<Ouro>i am actually using metapost to produce these eps files... it has yet a third way of clipping where it outputs graphics alread clipped to some path
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04:13<Ouro>actually this is all in the epstopdf man page
04:13<Ouro>anyway, thanks for the help, night
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04:19<OnlyWhisky>hello! My debian system always remove /usr/lib/ that I made as a symlink to, why could that be?
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04:22<TB>hi, can anyone help me with a postgresql installation on lenny?
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04:29<locklace>OnlyWhisky: i find that very odd
04:30<OnlyWhisky>locklace: may be it is nvidia drivers?
04:30<OnlyWhisky>locklace: it being removed every restart
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04:32<gsimmons>TB: What help do you require?
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04:32<locklace>OnlyWhisky: so it happens during boot?
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04:32<OnlyWhisky>locklace: yeah, seems so
04:33<locklace>OnlyWhisky: does it happen if you boot only to single-user mode?
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04:33<OnlyWhisky>locklace: well, I havn't check it.
04:33<locklace>OnlyWhisky: does it happen to any other symlinks you create in /usr/lib?
04:33<locklace>OnlyWhisky: maybe check those things
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04:34<OnlyWhisky>locklace: ok and if any of those happens, what could that meen?
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04:34<locklace>OnlyWhisky: just helps to narrow down the problem a little
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04:35<OnlyWhisky>locklace: yeah, I will check this soon and come back here some hours later.
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04:40<TB>well i installed lenny and, i selected at install time to load also the database module, and in gnome in the services pnael, it appears that postgres is running. But i dont know how to connect to the pgsql server
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04:45<locklace>TB: i bet the postgres docs have a great deal to say about that subject
04:47<TB>how can i check that a service is running in debian? i tried /etc/init.d/postgresql status and it returned nothing
04:47<locklace>"ps ax"
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04:51<TB>i dont see postmaster in the list. Any ideea how to lounch it?
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05:46<hachi>on debian, how do I disable screen blanking and DPMS on the text consoles?
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05:47<cahoot>man setterm
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05:47<hachi>I want to do this permanently
05:47<hachi>there is something setting it at boot
05:48<cahoot> /etc/console-tools/config
05:48<hachi>it's making it really hard to catch panics
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06:30<wopr>hello :)
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06:31<wopr>anyone can tell me please, the name of that plugin for fluxbox that show system informations on desktop?
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06:31<wopr>hello simonrvn :))
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06:36<enouf>wopr: you were on tv last night ;-)
06:37<wopr>lol really? :p
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06:37<wopr>eh eh
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06:37<enouf>on the Bravo channel - professor faulken's joshua ;-)
06:37<wopr>enouf, on what channel?
06:37<wopr>ah ah
06:37<wopr>yes.. my creator :p
06:37<ml|>shall we play a game?
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06:41<wopr>what do you think about thermonuclear global war?
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06:42<enouf>it was "global thermonuclear war" but close enough :-P
06:42<ml|>haha, true
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06:42<enouf>there was a 'Tactical ...' something in there as well
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06:43<enouf>"How about a nice game of Chess?"
06:43<ml|>heh, yeah they where quite a few games
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06:43<enouf>look familiar?
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06:45<enouf>though i'm thinking it was a series one (or perhaps a diff version), since it had a Floppy door on the front
06:45<ml|>quite expensive
06:45<ml|>but must have cost alot more in its day
06:45<locklace>wopr: conky is what most fluxbox users use, afaict
06:45<enouf>in 1983 no middle-class kid had all the shit that kid had - from modems to voice-recognition to ...'
06:46<ml|>right heh
06:46<wopr>locklace, thanks, i will install right now
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06:48<locklace>wopr: its configuration syntax is reasonably hideous, but it seems to basically work
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06:50<wopr>locklace, it was what i was looking for, thanks :)
06:50<wopr>hi graemer
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06:52<graemer>I did a upgrade to unstable - get an error from installing exim4-conf: 'sed: -e expression #1, char 2: delimeter char is not a single-byte char'
06:52<graemer>is this caused by the shell?
06:52<cahoot>the bitter taste of bleeding edge
06:52<locklace>known issue now i believe, try running whatever command that was but with the prefix 'LC_ALL=C'
06:53<locklace>think that was the solution
06:53<ml|>i believe you are right locklace
06:54<locklace>also, consider just throwing out exim and using postfix instead ;)
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06:54<valdyn>nothing wrong with exim
06:55<graemer>in buggzilla I found a similliar bug related to exim4-conf and dash
06:55<valdyn>sed changed
06:56<graemer>hmm - what can I do? sed denies executing installation script of exim
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06:56<valdyn>graemer: what locklace said
06:57<graemer>you mean export LC_ALL=C
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07:05<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
07:06<locklace>!coffee locklace
07:06*dpkg decants a fine broth of fair trade Colombian for locklace, courtesy of locklace
07:08<stuckey_>where do I find the logs for epiphany? It just crashed...
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07:15<beer>since nvidia-glx in debian sid is broken (it is missing a kerel moduel) what is then the best option to get 3d support when I have a nvidia card?
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07:45<saby>somebody know how to install 3D accelered graphics ? plz
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07:46<ml|>saby: do you have an nvidia card?
07:46<saby>i'm thinks it's an Intel graphic X3100
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07:48<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
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07:48<saby>erf kil term :/
07:49<ml|>saby: sry have no clue how you can get 3d working on that chip
07:49<saby>xchat& :)
07:49<saby>erf i'm installing an debian with the playonlinux : world of warcraft to my wife :)
07:50<saby>and she is ok to migrate to debian if has WoW :)
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07:50<ml|>saby: wait for someone else that can help you
07:50<saby>ok, thanks
07:50<ml|>i take it wow is her crack?
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07:51<ml|>!tell saby -about 3d
07:51<ml|>saby: like her drug
07:52<saby>i'm french and understanding only english not patoie :)
07:52<ml|>got it
07:52<ml|>you can also ask in #debian-it
07:52<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
07:53<saby>i'm prefer -fr :)
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07:54<ml|>well ask there, but stay here also
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07:54<ml|>incase you don't get help there
07:55<ubuntuXY>how can i execute a .tar.gz?
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07:55<saby>man tar
07:55<ubuntuXY>well run it
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07:55<ml|>ubuntuXY: you don't run it
07:56<ubuntuXY>what can I do with it?
07:56<ml|>it is a compressed file format
07:56<ml|>need to uncompress it
07:56<ml|>like saby said man tar
07:57<ubuntuXY>ok its extracted, now I have a load of files, how can i run the thing?
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07:58<ml|>ubuntuXY: what are you trying to do?
07:58<ubuntuXY>so, I've downloaded a program from sourceforge, and I want to install it
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07:59<ml|>well you might need to compile it first
07:59<ubuntuXY>ah bloody hell
07:59<ubuntuXY>probably do
08:00<ml|>!tell ubuntuXY -about compile
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08:00<ml|>ubuntuXY: read msg from dpkg
08:01<ml|>ubuntuXY: are you using debian or ubuntu?
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08:02<ml|>!tell ubuntuXY -about ubuntu
08:03<ubuntuXY>yes please do
08:03<saby>!tell saby -about ubuntu
08:03<ml|>ubuntuXY: ?
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08:03<ml|>!tell saby -about ubuntu
08:04<ml|>!tell saby -about dpkgbot
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08:05<ubuntuXY>so Im using sudo apt-get install barry-0.14, barry-0.14 is just the folder name. How can I know what to replace this with?
08:05<ml|>ubuntuXY: did you read msg from dpkg?
08:05<Kovax>hi, I need some help with the configuration of the internet on debian, could anyone help me?
08:05<enouf>Kovax: file:///usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html
08:06<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at , also . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference'
08:06<ubuntuXY>would i not still have the same problem if I was using Debian?
08:06<ubuntuXY>maybe I should change to debian
08:08<ml|>ubuntuXY: anything is possible and that is up to you
08:08<ml|>!tell ubuntuXY -about debian
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08:09<locklace>ubuntuXY: just so we know where we're at, you're completely clueless; you're at the level of "typing random commands that seem vaguely related to what i want to achieve and hope they work".
08:09<locklace>ubuntuXY: all we can suggest is that you start reading from the beginning about how to use a unix system
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08:10<Kovax>I configured the internet, but when I start my system I have to write ifup eth1, but I want it to work automatically, could you giveme a link about it?
08:10<ubuntuXY>yep, well I've got to start somewhere
08:10<locklace>ubuntuXY: irc is not the place to start. reading is
08:10<locklace>Kovax: man interfaces
08:10<ml|>ubuntuXY: but trying to compile an app is not a good place to start
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08:10<locklace>Kovax: /etc/network/interfaces is the relevant file
08:10<dpkg>utente: VATTENE VIA
08:10<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:11<locklace>!tell ubuntuXY about grounding
08:11<ubuntuXY>where did you guys start? maybe I can just start there
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08:11<ml|>locklace: ah good call :)
08:12<ubuntuXY>good, unix lessons sounds hopeful, I'll try that
08:12<ml|>ubuntuXY: that should help gl
08:13<enouf>ubuntuXY: and are other sites that should get you started (both are non-debian specific)
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08:14<ml|>ubuntuXY: also ...
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08:14<ubuntuXY>thanks guys
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08:14<dpkg>hmm... wine is Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs, packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: . The beta Wine packages from are _not_ supported in #debian. #winehq @
08:15<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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08:15<ml|>ubuntuXY: np, you should ask for help in #ubuntu on
08:16<liu>hellow every
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08:18<liu>no people
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08:18<ml|>liu: if you have a question just ask
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08:19<saby>glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" bash: glxinfo: command not found
08:20<ml|>saby: as root
08:20<wuseldusel>hi! i have a debian testing amd64 - how do i get a 32bit version of
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08:21<saby>yes as root
08:21<ubuntuXY>will do
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08:22<gsimmons>saby: /msg dpkg installit ; /msg dpkg search
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08:23<dpkg>ferdy: VATTENE VIA
08:23<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
08:24<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:36<Villarroel>How can I edit the /etc/acpi/local/ to cancel de lid action ? I try to override the CheckPolicy function but, the file is executed from /etc/acpi/ (not sourced). sh points to /bin/dash
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08:41<adri>hi all
08:41<adri>i have a simple question
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08:42<adri>kernel: [35713.628637] hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
08:42<adri>[35713.628642] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
08:42<adri>[35713.628645] hda: drive not ready for command
08:42<adri>what this error
08:42<adri>i cant understand
08:43<setuid>I followed the instructions on to get my Atheros wifi recognized... and now iwconfig shows it as active. How do I get it set up in NetworkManager or some other tool, so I can connect to my home WAN and external WANs?
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08:43<setuid>adri, It means your hard drive is failing. Back up your data now.
08:43<gsimmons>setuid: See
08:43<locklace>adri: what kernel version are you using? what kind of drive is hda? anything else on that controller?
08:44<adri>debian 5.0.1
08:44<setuid>gsimmons, Right, but I'm using Lenny, so most of the things in Lenny are so old, none of the stuff on that wiki applies.
08:44<setuid>It's years behind current :(
08:45<crunchbang>Can some one explain how to change the theme?
08:45<adri>hard drive inposible
08:45<setuid>gsimmons, network-manager-gnome doesn't support WPA for example
08:46<setuid>crunchbang, what theme? the wm theme? the toolkit theme?
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08:46<setuid>crunchbang, What DE are you using?
08:46<gsimmons>setuid: Sure it does, though it's just a front-end to wpa_supplicant.
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08:46<setuid>gsimmons, Not in this version, it's not a selectable option. Only supports WEP and WEP ASCII
08:47<locklace>adri: what
08:47<crunchbang>im using 8.10.02 but from a LiveCD Im testing to see if it would be suitable for my mom
08:47<adri>locklace: kernel is 2.6.26-2
08:47<locklace>adri: yes, we've established that; i asked you two other questions
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08:48<adri>what other ?
08:48<crunchbang>setuid Id like to change the overall theme of the desktop and the toolbars mainly
08:48<locklace>adri: ten seconds from giving up
08:48<setuid>crunchbang, What desktop environment? And 8.10.02 is not debian
08:48<gsimmons>setuid: Wouldn't know about NM's quirks. I'd suggest use of wpa_supplicant via /etc/network/interfaces if NM can't be coerced. The MadWifi driver available for Lenny does support WPA.
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08:49<adri>no hard drive is not hda
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08:49<adri>i`m using sata
08:49<crunchbang>setuid: the desktop enviroment I think its Fluxbox??
08:49<adri>sda1 sda5
08:49<adri>is a ext3 and swap
08:49<setuid>crunchbang, that's the window manager. Is it GNOME? KDE? XFCE?
08:49<crunchbang>setuid the window manager is Gnome
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08:50<setuid>crunchbang, gnome-appearance-properties
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08:51<crunchbang>setuid: thats from the command line is their a way for me to create a symbolic link onto the desktop?
08:51<setuid>crunchbang, System -> Preferences -> Appearnace
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08:51<setuid>crunchbang, And you might want to ask this in the Ubuntu channel where it would be more relevant. 8.10.02 is not Debian.
08:51<crunchbang>setuid thanks
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08:54<sun>hi where do i get lame mp3 encoder?
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08:55<gsimmons>!tell sun -about lame
08:55<sun>gsimmons nothing happened... ?
08:55<dpkg>Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at or
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08:57<setuid>gsimmons, Seems wpa_supplicant/iwpriv/etc. doesn't support WPA in Lenny either
08:57<setuid>If I use my shorter psk, it says the argument I'm passing (the key) is invalid. If I pass the longer psk, it says the argument list is too long.
08:58<cahoot>not a matter of wpa_supplicant, it's the modules
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08:59<gsimmons>setuid: Works for me. Care to pastebin your configuration attempt somewhere?
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09:00<setuid>gsimmons, Sure, just a sec.
09:00<setuid>cahoot, Module is the latest supported madwifi module for this card
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09:01<cahoot>setuid: well whatever is amiss it's ot wpa_supplicant per se
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09:05<setuid>That's my /etc/network/interfaces file
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09:07<cahoot>fwiw interfaces listed in interfaces are disregarded by n-m
09:07<setuid>cahoot, Right, n-m is a dead-end, so I'm doing it manually
09:07<setuid>n-m doesn't support the card nor the encryption level
09:07<setuid>It did in Ubuntu, but not in Lenny
09:09<cahoot>setuid: already tried wpa_supplicant from cli?
09:09<gsimmons>setuid: That configuration won't launch wpa_supplicant in the background. See for a revised config.
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09:15<setuid>gsimmons, so given that config, how do I then launch wpa_supplicant? I have my previously-working /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf file restored from backup, which has stanzas in it for each WAP I talk to on a regular basis (home, work, PANERA, etc.)
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09:17<gsimmons>setuid: It is started automatically when the interface is raised. If you have an existing config, reference that instead via wpa-conf ; /msg dpkg wpa
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09:28<setuid>Looks like the madwifi source check for kernel wireless support is broken
09:29<setuid>So I can't even build the latest madwifi drivers (I've done this dozens of times on Ubuntu though; why are these two seemingly similar distros so different?)
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09:30<ml|>!tell setuid -about ubuntu
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09:30<ml|>setuid: read msg from dpkg
09:31<setuid>ml|, Thanks, but that was completely irrelevant to my question
09:31<setuid>Anyway, it seems the Debian kernels do not enable wireless by default, I need to recompile
09:31<setuid>wireless "works", and /proc/net/wireless exists, but CONFIG_NET_RADIO is not set in the default .config file
09:32<setuid>So madwifi's check for wireless "extensions" fails
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09:33<Zenfur>Jestem hardkorem!!
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09:34<setuid>This kind of puts a damper on Debian... wirleess is supported in Lenny, but only WEP. To get WPA, I have to update madwifi, but I can't, because the default Debian kernels have wireless disabled. Catch-22.
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09:35<ml|>setuid: that's so you understand debian ubuntu
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09:35<xlrg>dpkg -i <kernel-package> doesn't generate an initrd.img anymore?
09:35*dpkg removes a liver from xlrg and replaces it with <kernel-package> doesn't generate an initrd.img anymore
09:35<bremner>setuid: I use madwifi with a stock debian kernel
09:35<enouf>setuid: i have only a .16 leftover from Sarge kernel that even contains that CONFIG_NET_RADIO option
09:35<enouf>and .. it's =y
09:36<xlrg>kernel-package was build with make-kpkg --initrd
09:36<setuid>enouf, It's not in any of the 2.6.26* kernels or kernel headers
09:36<setuid>I installed kernel-headers-all, and none of them contain CONFIG_NET_RADIO
09:36<enouf>setuid: so then how can it be not set?
09:36<xlrg>did an upgrade to unstable yesterday (on lenny it worked)
09:37<bremner>setuid: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 madwifi source is working fine for me.
09:37<setuid>enouf, No idea, but none of the default 2.6.26 kernels have it enabled
09:37<xlrg>run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools was executed by dpkg but without creating an /boot/initrd.img
09:37<xlrg>any ideas?
09:37<enouf>setuid: it;s not that it's not Enabled or Not - the option does not exist!
09:37<setuid>bremner, I have 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1+2.6.26-15
09:38<setuid>bremner, And it doesn't support my WPA key's length
09:38<setuid>enouf, exactly
09:38<enouf>it's like you invented it - but since it had existed, it's likely been deprecated/replaced
09:38<bremner>setuid: thats not a source package version, that's a built module or something
09:38<enouf>CONFIG_NET_RADIO is not set in the default .config file <--is incorrect, the option does not exist (was my point)
09:39<bremner>setuid: ath5k doesn't work for your hardware?
09:39<setuid>enouf, Source/compiling/madwifi # rgrep CONFIG_NET_RADIO Makefile
09:39<setuid> @if [ -z "$(CONFIG_NET_RADIO)" ]; then \
09:40<setuid>bremner, ath5k doesn't work for most Atheros cards, and the Debian recommendation (per the wiki) is to disable it and use the madwifi ath_pci style drivers.
09:40<enouf>so? it's looking for one specific option - that doesn't say it won't work if it doesn't find it
09:40<setuid>enouf, Let me pastebot the full check
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09:41<setuid>Attempts to build it fail with "Please enable wireless extensions."
09:41<setuid>which dies in the CONFIG_NET_RADIO check section
09:41<setuid>I'm just trying to get a version of madwifi so I can use WPA with this card.
09:42<setuid>The stock version in Debian does not support WPA
09:42<enouf>"....... The MadWifi driver available for Lenny does support WPA."
09:43<setuid>I could go rebuilding my kernel with a newer source from Linus' git tree, but then I'd break vmware, which I need.
09:44<bremner>hmm, I seem to have a 128 bit key for my WPA/Madwifi setup. Longer ones are possible?
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09:45<setuid>Mine is 64-characters long, the default length for WPA/TKIP+AES
09:45<setuid>Whatever version of wpa/madwifi/n-m in Ubuntu Gutsy/Hardy/Intrepid/Jaunty all supported this
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09:46<setuid>I can't find a single thing in Lenny that does
09:46<setuid>I've been at this for a few hours this morning, and once I figure this out (IF I do), then I have to work on getting the WWAN card (sierra) working.
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09:47*bremner has a sierra wireless card working via ppp
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09:48<setuid>gsimmons, Your modified wpa_supplicant bits ALMOST works, but wpa_supplicant complains of an invalid option 's', and I can't figure out where it's getting that from.
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09:49<bremner>setuid: I have to run. query me later if you want ppp config for sierra wireless
09:49<setuid>bremner, It should be automatic, via n-m
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09:49<setuid>I never had to change/set/edit/create/modify anything
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09:51<setuid>Whatever it's getting that extraneous 's' from, I have no idea... the only 's' in /etc/network/interfaces is in 'wpa-ssid' and 'wpa-psk'.
09:52<enouf>setuid: should "wpa-ssid" be "wpa-essid" ?
09:53<enouf>"wpa-ssid My WAPs Long ESSID Here" <==sure seems like it
09:53<gsimmons>enouf: It doesn't matter, /etc/wpa_supplicant/ treats them the same.
09:54<enouf>gsimmons: oh, ok
09:54<setuid>But s/wpa-//g works
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09:54<setuid>Actually, I take that back, it silently ignores them
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09:56<setuid>Ok, something is wrong somewhere in the syntax of that stanza, and it's throwing an extraneous 's' in there and tossing thinking its an invalid option
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09:56<enouf>it would seem the people who have it working are not using n-m .. maybe you should --purge remove it
09:57<setuid>enouf, I'm not using it, it doesn't work in Lenny for WPA or WWAN
09:57<setuid>I'm trying to do this 'raw', using just wpa-supplicant
09:58<enouf>i didn't say _don't_use_it_
09:58<setuid>I may just dump Lenny and go back to Intrepid... Debian's support for laptops/peripherals is lagging further and further behind with each release.
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09:58<setuid>Something as simple as WPA support in wireless, should be a no-brainer
09:59<enouf>it is
09:59<enouf>and others have proven so
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10:01<setuid>The point is, I shouldn't HAVE to go rebulding my kernel to get CONFIG_NET_RADIO support, so I can then pull the latest CVS of madwifi so I can get proper WPA/TKIP keys supported, so I can then hand-edit a config in /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf by hand, so I can get this working.
10:02<cahoot>why did you ever consider leaving the warmth of intrepid?
10:02<setuid>if I manually launch wpa_supplicant with 'wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iath0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf', and use the wpa_supplicant.conf that worked with previous Debian-based distros (Debian and Ubuntu) that I've run, it works. Why can't this just be set up to work NON-interactively?
10:02<setuid>cahoot, Because I needed stability, not eye-candy
10:02<enouf>it seems nobody else needs the kernel config option
10:03<setuid>enouf, They're probably not using the clean, upstream madwifi from the upstream project page.
10:03<setuid>because IT will die if you do not have that support
10:03<cahoot>if wpa_supplicant works from cli all you need is learn how to edit interefaces
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10:03<enouf>clean? ofcourse all distros apply their own specific patches
10:03<setuid>cahoot, Yep, and I thought I did that, but wpa_supplicant doesn't like that, and throws an error about an invalid 's' option being passed (which does not exist anywhere)
10:04<enouf>strace it
10:05<enouf>what arch is that setuid ?
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10:05<setuid>It's a Thinkpad, T61p
10:05<enouf>setuid: what arch?
10:06<cahoot>setuid: another example of a fully working interfaces stanza:
10:06<setuid>The only one that supports 64-bit... AMD64 kernels, if that's what you mean
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10:06<enouf>setuid: erm, ppc and others have 64bit
10:06<enouf>better answer
10:07<setuid>AMD64 was pretty clear, since that doesn't support PPC
10:07<enouf>setuid: show me upstream vanilla source where CONFIG_NET_RADIO exists for x86
10:07<setuid>enouf, I have no idea, but as I showed you, if madwifi doesn't see it enabled, the config dies.
10:07<enouf>your AMD64 came after i asked
10:07<enouf>setuid: i do have an idea
10:07<setuid>cahoot, Looks like wpa-conf isn't in Lenny either. I'll dig some more.
10:08<enouf> start there - search for CONFIG_NET_RADIO then find it in any Kconfig/defconfig for x86
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10:09<enouf>if that
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10:09<enouf>if that's the case, that would imply your madwifi stuff is stuffed - use the debian stuff with debian
10:10<enouf>and FWIW - might try ##ibmthinkpad on
10:11<setuid>enouf, The reason I went to the upstream project page, is because the stuff in lenny is so ancient, it doesn't appear to support current technology (where "current" is "in the past 3-4 years")
10:12<setuid>cahoot, If I use 'ifup ath0', it still throws an error about an invalid 's' option using your stanza example
10:12<enouf>and yet .. it seems to Just Work[tm] for the others that have answered
10:12<gsimmons>setuid: FYI, the wpa-conf iface option is accepted in Lenny (ref. /etc/wpa_supplicant/ It expects an absolute path to a user-provided configuration file.
10:13<gsimmons>setuid: You may want to use the wpa-debug iface option. Alternatively, start wpa_supplicant in the foreground and increase debugging verbosity (-d, -dd, etc).
10:13<setuid>gsimmons, If I run wpa_supplicant manually, it works fine... because my wpa_supplicant.conf file is configured correctly. I'm trying to figure out the "manual way" to do what n-m does automagically from the UI
10:14<enouf>that doesn't even make sense
10:14<setuid>enouf, where are confused?
10:15<enouf>this must be some redmond paid for shrill
10:16<setuid>enouf, I've been using Linux since 1994, and been on THIS irc network for at least that long (back when it was called Linpeople, long before OPN and Freenode). Trust me, Microsoft is not in my bloodstream.
10:17<enouf>heh - Canonical has plenty of $$$
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10:17<setuid>cahoot, Am I bringing the interface up the wrong way? (ifup?)
10:17<setuid>enouf, So does my employer, and the work there is much more rewarding :)
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10:18<enouf>Instead of starting a Hardware Chip manufacturing plant, the sucker steals from Debian and rerolls it and bundles it with proprietary crap and calls it some african word - all for a measly 10 Million bucks -- heh
10:19<setuid>enouf, "Ubuntu", from the African word that means "Can't install Debian" :)
10:19<enouf>what a dumbass ... helping to keep the sheeple dumbed down
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10:20<enouf>well .. it's been nice - i hope you get your money's worth
10:20*enouf rolls on
10:20<ruben>Does anyone know a good distro that will run off USB and used gnome?
10:20<setuid>ifconfig ath0 down; ifconfig ath0 up, but it doesn't set th ekey
10:20<setuid>ruben, KNOPPIX does, as do many others
10:21<djc>I would avoid used Gnomes - stick with a new one
10:21<ruben>Thank you
10:21<djc>You never can tell how badly a used one has been abused
10:21<ruben>I'll look into it
10:21<ruben>And stop abusing my fat fingers
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10:23<ruben>knoppix only seem to hav iso vesrions
10:24<djc>You probably arent going to find a 'click it and it works' setup to run off a USB.. You'll need to read the howto's and follow some instructions to get it setup properly
10:24<setuid>ruben, Right, you install the ISO vefrsion onto your USB
10:24<setuid>ruben, Look into UNetBootIn
10:24<setuid>unetbootin will do it for you for dozens of distros and versions
10:25<djc>This is just one of those areas where Windows is better than Linux :PPP
10:25<djc>Windows wont run off a USB key at all :)
10:25<ruben>Sorry, I have found a tutorial, my onmly other experience of linux is with slax, and that intalls to USB so easily
10:26<ruben>But that uses KDE
10:26<ruben>And I prefer gnome
10:26<ruben>Especially used ones
10:26<djc>You do realize that a wm isnt 'part' of the OS, right?
10:26<ml|>ruben: like setuid said look at unetbootin
10:26<djc>its just another application
10:27<setuid>Also note that GNOME and KDE aren't window managers ;)
10:27<djc>That too
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10:27<ml|>they are de's
10:27<ml|>xmonad best wm :)
10:28<djc>I like windowmaker.. with just the 'panel' part of gnome
10:28<gsimmons>setuid: Sorry, the iface option is wpa-debug-level <n>, not wpa-debug <n>.
10:28<ruben>Could someone explain to me what the kernel, Desktop environment and window managers are? Becasue they seem to be everywhere anbd I am confuzzled
10:29<djc>Not sure how many people here remember using a text-only Linux, and switching between text vc's with Alt-F1 thru AltF10(or 12)
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10:29*setuid does, but /me is old-school
10:29<djc>But I did that for a very long time.. When I finally decided I needed to use X (mozilla), I poked around until I find a wm that would let me bind the keys the same way
10:29<setuid>djc, I remember loading floppies, rebuilding a kernel, going to the movies, coming back and having it still going
10:30<ml|>!tell ruben -about window manager
10:30<djc>I usually let mine run while I slept
10:30<setuid>djc, HA! Me too! Which is why I like sawfish, and have used it for about the last 11 years consistently
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10:31<djc>Yeah, when dialup shells started to go away as the main way of getting on the net, and it started going to dualup PPP, I had to migrate from DOS
10:31<tom33>!tell tom33 -about window manager
10:31<djc>I borrowed someones win3.1 with winsock long enough to ftp slackware disk images
10:31<ml|>tom33: use /msg dpkg
10:32<djc>I never looked back to MS
10:32<setuid>djc, I was actually looking around for something better, and found 'awesome' and 'dwm',
10:32<ml|>!tell tom33 -about dpkgbot
10:32<tom33>ml|: I didn't know who responded to !tell commands. I tried /query'ing debhelper.
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10:32<setuid>gsimmons, Thanks, but that isn't helping with the weird 'invalid 's' option' error
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10:32<setuid>I can't figure out where that's coming from
10:32<ml|>tom33: ok
10:33<setuid>I also can't figure out the "right" way to get the interface up and down. Maybe I'll fetch the latest n-m and build that from source
10:33<ml|>!tell ruben -about kernel
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10:33<setuid>hrm, or maybe I can pull it from Sid?
10:33<djc>setuid, what are you trying to do?
10:34<setuid>djc, I'm trying to get wireless working using WPA... but Lenny is so old, it doesn't appear to have any of the framework to support it (madwifi is too old, kernels lack CONFIG_NET_RADIO, etc.)
10:34<gsimmons>setuid: WRT ifup, try adding "set -x" to /etc/wpa_supplicant/, to determine if your /e/n/i values are being parsed correctly.
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10:34<djc>Mine works fine
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10:35<djc>lenny, intel 3495, and either dlink or netgear ap
10:35<cahoot>if wpa_supplicant works from cli how can you still say wpa isn't supported?
10:35<djc>Er 3945
10:35<setuid>cahoot, Not supported via /etc/networks/interfaces (passing in the key or using any stanza), nor from n-m
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10:36<cahoot>setuid: doh
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10:36<djc>Mine works fine, from n-m, or from the gui to /etc/networks (the 'network setup' in gnome)
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10:36<setuid>Right, so I have to interactively run wpa_supplicant, to get on wireless
10:36<cahoot>no you need a correct entry in interfaces
10:36<setuid>djc, When I try to set mine up using n-m, it only shows WEP and WEP ASCII as valid options
10:37<setuid>no WPA, no TKIP, no AES
10:37<djc>hrm.. let me verify on a box here
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10:39<djc>hrm.. ive got to figure out how to start n-m again.. i disabled it since im using a static setup
10:39<setuid>Maybe I should use backports... but the only two there are etch and lenny, both older than my distro
10:40<setuid>I'm hesitant to upgrade to Sid, though I've run it in the past, because I know vmware and my nvidia driver will break
10:40<djc>but I do know my ap's use wpa, and I do know i was able to connect without having to do any manual voodoo
10:40<setuid>I'll try using wicd
10:40<setuid>Following this page now:
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10:42<setuid>Ok, that doesn't work either
10:42<setuid>I only get "WEP (hex)" and "WEP (ascii)" as valid options
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10:44<enouf>vmwarez does some real shit to ifaces doesn't it?
10:45<enouf>(i forgot you were using that crap)
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10:46<setuid>nope, vmware stays out of the way
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10:49<djc>setuid, what menu are you looking at?
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10:49<djc>.query setuid
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10:51<bja>How do I completely uninstall vmware, I did some testing but well things didn't work out
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10:52<djc>how did you install it?
10:52<setuid>djc, The network-manager one
10:52<djc>setuid, are you getting to it through the nm-apple?
10:53<djc>er appleT
10:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:56<selofi>dpkg. no se ir como se hace?
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10:59<bja>selofi: /j #debian-es
10:59<bja>ml|: Nice id
11:00<ml|>selofi: bja hehe thanks
11:00<ml|>bja: hehe thanks
11:00<bja>djc: used the vmware script to install and used the vmware script to uninstall but i feel things aren't completely clean :(
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11:01<ml|>bja: use find or locate to see if you have any left overs
11:01<bja>ml|: thx
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11:03<ml|>bja: cd to / and find . -type d -name vmware -exec rm -ir {}\;
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11:04<petemc>that doesnt sound like a very good idea
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11:05<ml|>petemc: why not?
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11:07<bja>ml|: thx a lot of leftover crap
11:08<ml|>bja: you can also look for files after you removed the dir just change -type d to -type f
11:08<ootput>yeah, i wouldn't rm files straight away
11:08<ml|>i = will ask first
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11:10<bja>ootput: rm -r is a scary command unless you know what you are doing
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11:11<bja>ootput: although as root you can allways type cd / && rm -rf and see what happens? je je
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11:11<ootput>i did that tomorrow
11:11<ootput>so i'm back where I started today
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11:15<bja>ootput: xD
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11:16*locklace discovers vimperator, hehe
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11:16<locklace>this is going to make life so much easier
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11:17<ootput>there's a nice delicious plugin for vimp. you should check it out
11:18<norbert_>hi, I ran apt-get remove and then used dpkg -i *.deb to install all the DEBS from 3.0.1, but afterwards I still had 2.4 and not 3.0.1...
11:18<locklace>only problem so far is how to make it display url of hovered-over link in status bar when link is in an imagemap
11:19<djc>norbert_, use repositories instead of downloading manually
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11:19<locklace>norbert_: openoffice is huge, i'm sure you didn't succeed in removing all traces of the original version with just that command
11:19<djc>backports has 3.0.1 for lenny
11:19<norbert_>djc: I'm running Debian stable, which repository should I use to get 3.0.1?
11:20<dpkg>well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
11:20<ml|>right purge would had being better
11:20<xing>how do i set up my hp printer using hplip
11:21<norbert_>so, I edit the sources.list and then run apt-get -t lenny-backports install
11:21<norbert_>(after a apt-get update)
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11:21<djc>use aptitude
11:22<djc>or synaptic, if you like
11:22<ml|>!why aptitude
11:22<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
11:22<djc>you can use aptitude cli just like apt-get
11:23<ml|>why would anyone use anything less than aptitude ;)
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11:23<djc>ml|, becuase its still there, and they dont know any better?
11:23<bja>ml|: Just looking for trouble i Guess
11:23<djc>becuase so any howtos say 'type apt-get blahblah whatever.. etc'
11:24<ml|> true
11:24<norbert_>it's because I'm used to using it
11:24<ml|>but if you do some reading aptitude is recommeneded
11:24<djc>perhaps in a near update, apt-get should be modified to require an additionall -yes-use-apt-get switch, and if it isnt given, it displays the 'why aptitude' message
11:24<djc>norbert_, aptitude accepts the same arugments as apt-get
11:25<norbert_>djc: yes, I noticed that, 3.0.1 already works :)
11:25<xing>how to solve the hplip problem
11:25<ml|>norbert_: I was too, but made the change ;)
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11:25<djc>which hplip problem would that be?
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11:27<djc>ml|, lots of people download a set of .debs from a package site, their howto says "use apt-get blah" to install.. or worse dpkg
11:27<djc>the package authow maybe doesnt use debian primarily, doesnt know any better
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11:28<ml|>djc: yeah i have one that in the past
11:28<xing>the printer seemed to have been configured,but the hplip-toolbox said device communication error
11:28<norbert_>hmm... I have 3.0.1 now, but the callouts are still not anti-aliased
11:28<norbert_>anyway, that's an thing, will look into it
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11:28<wnd>talking of aptitude, is there a way to tell aptitude to install recommended packages, but to ignore recommended packages that conflict with others?
11:28<norbert_>thanks for helping me get 3.0.1; norbert out
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11:29<ml|>wnd: man aptitude
11:29<wnd>the last I checked I couldn't find it but then again that proves nothing
11:30<ml|>i could be wrong but i believe it's in the manpage
11:31<locklace>the manpage isn't exactly comprehensive, try /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README instead
11:31<xing>djc:how can i solve the printer problem
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11:36<wopr>buongiorno a tutti!
11:36<bja>ml|: please do the honors
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11:37<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:38<bl4ck>hello guys
11:38<wopr>sorry dpkg i've lost a /amsg :)
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11:40<ml|>bja: hehe
11:40<wopr>are there a way to have conky divided in two sides: /var/log/auth.log on the left and sys infos on the right?
11:40<bja>ml|: guess i made a mistake :(
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11:41<bl4ck>some one from chile??
11:41<ml|>well i make plenty ya know this ;)
11:42<bja>bl4ck: take a look at #debian-ar
11:42<bja>bl4ck: or at #debian-es
11:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:42<bja>ml|: thats cheating
11:42<ml|>bja: ar?
11:43<bja>Yes the argentinian debian channel
11:43<dpkg>hmm... ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina
11:43<bja>It gets some traffic once in a while
11:43<ml|>hah dpkg
11:44<sney>man that's like if quebec had their own french-language channel
11:45<bl4ck>thanks 4 the help
11:45<bja>sney: believe me it does exist usually 10 to 20 people there
11:45<simonrvn>sney: #linux-quebec on freenode
11:45<sney>bloody quebecers!
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11:46<wopr>are there a way to have conky divided in two sides: /var/log/auth.log on the left and sys infos on the right?
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11:49<bja> "!tel sney about fr
11:49<bja> je je
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12:05<ruben>I have partitioned my usb disk, and now I want to undo it
12:05<ruben>But gparted hangs at the "scanning all devices" bit
12:06<ruben>But only when that usn stick is plugged in
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12:10<bja>what is kept on /var/lib/dpkg/info
12:11<locklace>dpkg info
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12:14<djc>dead bodies
12:19<wnd>nope, I still can't find anything to solve this. to me it appears as if aptitude treats recommendations as (strong) dependencies when "Apt::Install-Recommends" is set.
12:19<bja>I knew it was a stupid question, I just didn't realize how stupid :)
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12:20<djc>use synaptic.. you can tell it wehter to install recommendeds or not
12:20<locklace>bja: are you using zsh yet
12:20<bja>no im using bash why?
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12:22<spacepluk>hi, anybody having problems with python in debian squeeze?
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12:23<bja>locklace: taking a dive right now
12:23<locklace>spacepluk: i have a lot of problems with python, squeeze or not
12:23<wnd>djc, can cron-apt use synaptic?-) I need to run that (periodically) on tens of computers -- and soon on hundreds.
12:23<spacepluk>I'm getting this weird error when I try to list module within interactive help:
12:23<djc>and you need the cron to do the 'not install recommends' part?
12:24<spacepluk>locklace: I worked fine for me until now :)
12:24<djc>synaptic is X/gui
12:24<djc>not cli
12:24<djc>afaik, anyway
12:24<wnd>I thought it was :-)
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12:24<locklace>spacepluk: that works fine for me
12:24<wnd>well I'd prefer to install recommended packages because that would save me tons of trouble with metapackage recommendations
12:25<locklace>spacepluk: since it's complaining about something in your ~/.ipython, maybe move all your .stuff out of the way and try again, or see if it works as a different user
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12:29<spacepluk>locklace: mmm, with other user is even worse
12:30<locklace>great - progress
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12:30<davi>iceweasel crashes a lot on amd64 architecture!
12:31<locklace>davi: not for me
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12:32<davi>locklace, I load it with several windows and lot of tabs. It crashes 2 or 3 times a week, or maybe more.
12:32<locklace>it's never crashed for me.
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12:32<davi>locklace, Did you install the amd64 distribution or the i386 one?
12:33<locklace>davi: 64
12:33<davi>ok, I could install a debugging version and take backtrace
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12:34<davi>locklace, Do you know any iceweasel version with debugging symbols which I could run under gdb to take the crashes backtrace?
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12:35<locklace>davi: if the usual packages don't have the symbols, you'll probably have to build from the source (package)
12:35<davi>ok, I will try with the usual package
12:35<spacepluk>locklace: which version of the python package have you installed?
12:36<locklace>spacepluk: 2.5.4-2
12:36<locklace>judd versions python
12:36<judd>locklace: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.4-2 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 experimental: 2.5.4-3
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12:45<rvavruch>hello. my networking is broken on testing. can anyone help?
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12:47<corge`>little more explanation
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12:47<bja>Can some programm the bot with something like a way to state a problem
12:47<rvavruch>I think networking was reinstalled in a recent upgrade
12:48<rvavruch>it's there,but I can't figure out how to get it to connect again
12:48<dpkg>Telling us that something is broken is fairly useless. You need to tell us exactly what is failing, and what you expected it to do. Ask me about <doesn't work>, or
12:48<cahoot>bja: like the ask factoid?
12:49<bja>cahoot: yes more or less
12:49<bja>cahoot: State your problem giving facts, programs version of debian or like it
12:49<wnd>I wonder if that lolcat link is deliberately broken :-)
12:50<locklace>!smart questions
12:50<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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12:51<spacepluk>locklace: I think the problem is this
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12:52<locklace>spacepluk: do you know which module is causing that for you?
12:52<spacepluk>locklace: I'm working on it :P
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12:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask, or <htasq>
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12:55<rvavruch>If I type in: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" I get "Reconfiguring network interfaces...done" if I then try to: "ping" I get "ping: unknown host" I am running Debian testing.
12:56<locklace>rvavruch: is your interface even up according to "ifconfig -a"? what's in your /etc/resolv.conf?
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12:59<rvavruch>I did: "ifconfig etho inet up", so I can see it in ifconfig
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12:59<spacepluk>locklace: ipython was the culprit. very annoying since gnome-devel depends on it
12:59<rvavruch>I have 2 nameservers in resolv.conf
12:59<locklace>rvavruch: can you ping your router address
13:00<rvavruch>locklace: it says "connect: Network unreachable"
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13:00<locklace>rvavruch: with what address
13:00<corge`>did you ping the ip or the hostname?
13:00<spacepluk>anybody using a thinkpad x200?
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13:00<rvavruch>locklace: the ip
13:01<locklace>what exact address.
13:01<djc>route -n
13:01<corge`>is your IP and the router IP on the same subnet?
13:01<djc>where did you get ?
13:01<rvavruch>locklace: wait I lied. I am getting a ping back.
13:01<rvavruch>djc: it is what it used to be before it broke
13:01<locklace>great. so make sure your default route is present in netstat -rn
13:01<djc>ok, if you can ping router but not anything else probably your default route isnt set
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13:02<djc>does the router do dhcp? if so, unless you specifically need a static address (and are sure you arent using one in the range of addresses the router uses for dhcp), you should use dhcp rather than setting one manually
13:02<danger>Hello everyone would some one help me out with screenlets please?
13:02<corge`>route add default gw {IP-ADDRESS} {INTERFACE-NAME}
13:03<corge`>ip address would be your router IP and then eth0, eth1, etc...
13:03<rvavruch>djc: router does dchp, but it wasn't getting me anywhere so I tried a static
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13:04<rvavruch>netstat -rn: dest: gateway: genmask: flags: U MSS Window: 0 0 irtt Iface: 0 eth0
13:05<rvavruch>does that look correct?
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13:05<djc>what os are you running?
13:05<djc>that doesnt look like linux netstat -rn output
13:05<rvavruch>I can't copy n paste
13:05<danger>Perhaps I should expand on my point, can I ask do you need to have compix running to run screenlets?
13:05<rvavruch>so that that was a summary
13:06<djc>no, its not right
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13:06<djc>thats fine for your network router
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13:06<djc>fur you need a default route too
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13:06<djc>toyur iface is eth0
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13:08<danger>Well answering my own question - yes you do.
13:08<rvavruch>route gives me: dest: gateway: Flags: U Metric: 0 Ref: 0 Use: 0 eth0
13:08<locklace>!tell bja about how to ask
13:10<djc>rvavruch, see /msg
13:10<djc>do what I told you there
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13:12<final_frontier>good evening for all
13:12<danger>Okay how can I get compiz to start up automatically at the moment I have to load the compiz fuision icon, then re-select compiz as the window manager before it starts up.
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13:12<final_frontier>kde or gnome?
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13:13<final_frontier>go to system/preferences/sessions/add
13:14<final_frontier>in command you need to tyoe compiz --replace
13:14<final_frontier>in name... just compiz xD
13:14<final_frontier>be sure that you have compiz-gnome installed
13:14<danger>cheers mate
13:14<final_frontier>it's nothing ;)
13:15<rvavruch>djc: thanks
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13:15<danger>was causing me head aches because screenlets get messing up as compiz hadn't been loaded :s
13:15<danger>get = kept
13:15<final_frontier>in session you can add fusion-icon too
13:16<danger>true will do that too
13:16<final_frontier>;) just chet that you have compiz-core and compiz-gnome installed in your system
13:18<danger>Well they are now ;)
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13:19<danger>Just had a heart attack about half an hour ago when I accidentally pressed the sleep but and it wouldn't come out of sleep mode - then when I reset the machine it said there where no bootable drives! luckily hard reset worked :0
13:19<bja>locklace: Nice message I think it will do fine
13:20<rufensis>i'm new to debian and used to use ubuntu. a friend suggested i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.28. Are there any drawbacks to doing this?
13:20<dondelelcaro>rufensis: you should just use the kernel that comes with the version of Debian that you're using
13:20<final_frontier>compiling the kernel no, using it could be
13:20<dondelelcaro>(unless you have some real reason to use a different one)
13:21<final_frontier>ext4 is a reason? xD
13:21<rufensis>ah. does upgrading kernels mess with popular debian packages?
13:22<dondelelcaro>rufensis: generally not, but it means that you'll have to keep watching the kernel yourself for security updates, etc.
13:22<bzed>final_frontier: if you want to ues ext4, use 2.6.29.whateverthelatestoneis
13:22<djc>judd versions linux-image
13:22<judd>djc: linux-image --
13:22<djc>judd versions kernel
13:22<judd>djc: kernel --
13:22<final_frontier>bzed: i'm fine in ext3 now ^^
13:22<dondelelcaro>djc: none of those are packages...
13:22<ml|>judd: kernel
13:22<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-1-686 (2.6.29-3); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
13:23<djc>ooh.. you dont need the 'versions' heh
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13:23<ml|>not for kernel ;)
13:23<locklace>rufensis: there are unlikely to be any drawbacks, and typically any there are will be more than offset by the gains in bugfixes, hardware support, and additional capabilities
13:23<djc>rufensis, you could use the sid kernel 2.6.29
13:24<locklace>rufensis: my suggestion, upgrade by installing the latest kernel package from sid and run with it for a while; your old kernel will still be on your system and boot menu, so you can easily fall back if you run into any problems
13:24<ml|>judd is behind sid = 2.6.29-2
13:24<judd>ml|: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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13:25<final_frontier>i'm using 2.6.26 and it runs fine
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13:26<rufensis>locklace: do you have a link to a good how to for upgrading? My system runs to my liking on almost everything. The problem i have is that VLC does not work and i used to use it for subtitled movies. All my attempts at following guides have not worked. I'm wondering if a kernel upgrade might be a miracle fix, or whether it's too risky to other packages.
13:26<final_frontier>I only upgrade kernel version in extreme situations
13:27<locklace>rufensis: it's very simple, just download the kernel package from the page and dpkg -i it
13:27<dondelelcaro>rufensis: upgrading the kernel isn't going to help you with vlc issues.
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13:27<rufensis>locklace: thank you
13:28<locklace>rufensis: it's not risky, like i said; your old kernel is still there, you can boot into it any time you want
13:28<final_frontier>like dondelelcaro says, it's not gonna fix your problems with vlc :\
13:28<danger>Why does the Linux kernel include driver modules - wouldn't be safer to have them "outside" the kernel?
13:28<djc>rufensis, which release of debian are you using?
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13:28<rufensis>dondelelcaro: any ideas what i might search by way of a fix for vlc?
13:29<rufensis>djc: i'm using lenny
13:29<dondelelcaro>danger: because they're part of the kernel
13:29<dondelelcaro>danger: any time the kernel changes, the modules distributed with the kernel change
13:29<djc>rufensis, what specific problem with vlc are you having?
13:29<djc>I use it sometimes, and dont seem to have a problem with it
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13:29<final_frontier>reinstall vlc
13:29<danger>I know that dondelelcaro I was wondering why though
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13:30<dondelelcaro>danger: because the in-source kernel modules are developed in the same tree. it means that changes to the kernel module api can be fixed in lock-step, etc.
13:31<bja>I'm looking for the dependencies of a package, how can I get them on a given machine
13:31<dondelelcaro>there's not much of a benifit to separating out relatively stable modules from the kernel, and there's a fairly large cost to it
13:31<dondelelcaro>bja: apt-cache show foopkg
13:31<rufensis>djc: it seems to me it worked fine when i first installed lenny, and then maybe after an update it stopped working. it will load sound but no video, no messing around with video settings makes a difference, compiling a more recent version from vlc does no good. It's strange.
13:31<bja>dondelelcaro: thx
13:31<danger>It's pretty questionable security wise though. Just IMO
13:31<dondelelcaro>danger: huh?
13:31<djc>rufensis, you upgraded to lenny? or installed it fresh?
13:32<dondelelcaro>danger: it doesn't affect security at all. There's no difference between trusting the kernel code and trusting the code in a module
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13:32<danger>Well if the quality of driver modules are dodgy it can cause lots of issues having them in the kernel... there's another *nix variant that does it properly - just can't remember it's name
13:32<djc>danger, you realize that 'drivers', even if they are in seperate files, even on 'other' os's essentially become 'part of the kernel', when loaded
13:32<rufensis>djc: installed it fresh. i have been using ubuntu for a year and then went to lenny from there.
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13:33<djc>what type of files/streams are you trying to play with it?
13:33<Eurysilas>rufensis: Sounds like a problem with your GStreamer/Xine plug-ins. Though, I have no idea how I'd fix that. Looked for any relevant log files?
13:33<djc>if from the net, do you have a url I can test with?
13:33<dondelelcaro>danger: that's an architecture issue, which is separate from how they're actually distributed
13:33<locklace>danger: qnx does it pretty well
13:33<danger>argh google seems to point me to debates about "monolithic vs microkernel" os's
13:34<dondelelcaro>danger: yes, which is precisely what you've changed the kernel to talk about... it's an old argument, with rather known plusses and minuses on both sides
13:34<rufensis>djc: it works with no video streams. the one i care about is .avi
13:34<djc>rufensis, how did you install it (vlc)?
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13:34<final_frontier>have you tried totem?
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13:35<final_frontier>i'm playing an avi file rigth now
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13:35<rufensis>Eurysilas: thanks. i haven't explored the GStreamer angle yet. I'll look around
13:36<rufensis>djc: i installed vlc from the lenny repos initially
13:36<rufensis>and then compiled a more recent version from the vlc website
13:37<final_frontier>rufensis, do you have repositories from other versions of debian who's not lenny?
13:37<djc>you want to install frm repos
13:37<djc>did you uninstall the repo version before you clobbered it with a compiled one?
13:37<djc>if the one you compile has a 'make uninstall' do that..
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13:38<rufensis>yeah, i installed the repos version and messed around for a week or so and then tried the vlc website
13:38<djc>in general, unless you really know what you are doing, if something is available in repo, you want to stick with that version
13:38<djc>and if you do need to locally compile something by hand, you want to make sure to install the entirey of it in its own seperate subdir (for instance, /usr/local/vlc ) and not let it throw files all over
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13:39<rufensis>djc: yeah, this is usually my approach. i know that for some reason the same problem persists in each
13:39<djc>becuase the latter is very hard to uninstall or even find all the files it put
13:39<djc>so first off, uninstall your compiled version as best you can.
13:39<djc>once thats done, do a reinstall from the repo.. then once thats done let us know and we can try to find out what the problem is
13:39<rufensis>djc: i will give this a shot
13:40*Eurysilas wonders if rufensis can play media files with any other app using the GStreamer backend. :/
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13:42<rufensis>Eurysilas: I can play all media files with totem gstreamer and xine. DVDs, avi, all audio
13:42*djc prefers mplayer and vlc
13:43<rufensis>if i could manage subtitles in totem i would have no use for vlc
13:43<final_frontier>I prefer frets on fire: playing while listening music xD
13:44<Eurysilas>Huh.....Then it probably isn't GStreamer screwing up. You may want to check to see if a log file is available for VLC under your home directory. Might be in ".vlc" or something. When you have a specific error message, rather than a behavior, Google can get much more viable.
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13:45<djc>Eurysilas, first let him remove the custom vlc and install the repo one
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13:46<final_frontier>rufensis, try to run vlc from a terminal to see what error gives you
13:46<Eurysilas>djc: Oh. I thought he said he had two versions, one repo and one custom, installed. Probably shouldn't overwhelm him, though.......
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13:48<rufensis>Eurysilas: [00000001] main libvlc debug: VLC media player - version 0.9.9a Grishenko - (c) 1996-2009 the VideoLAN team
13:48<rufensis>[00000001] main libvlc debug: libvlc was configured with ./configure '--disable-swscale'
13:48<rufensis>[00000001] main libvlc debug: translation test: code is "C"
13:48<rufensis>[00000001] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
13:48<rufensis>[00000345] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
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13:49<Eurysilas>Oh my.
13:49<Eurysilas>Poor guy.
13:49<final_frontier>oh sh--!
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13:50<djc>rufensis13, did you remove your compiled version and reinstall from repo?
13:50<djc>do that first
13:50<rufensis13>i'm doing that now. i tried to paste terminal output for vlc and got disconnected. i'm still learning the rules here
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13:51<final_frontier>well, I have to go, bye!
13:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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13:51<rufensis13>thanks, djc
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13:54<rufensis13>djc: no make uninstall file exists in the vlc folder in the /asr/local directory i used
13:55<rufensis13>djc: shall i simply delete the dir
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13:58<Eurysilas>refensis13: In my experience, never delete something to uninstall it. Just a word of wisdom. I'm not sure how it's properly uninstalled, but deleting would be like hacking your entire arm off to remove a tumor.
13:59<rufensis13>Eurysilas: thanks. i'll look into how to do this and keep my arms
14:01<djc>rufensis13, if the dir didnt exist prior to your installing it
14:01<djc>if its /usr/local/vlc and the only thing in there is what you complied
14:01<djc>then it should be save to delete
14:01<djc>safe, that is
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14:02<djc>you would do 'make uninstall' from the dir where you compile vlc
14:02<djc>not from where it installed it
14:02<djc>whereever you did 'make install' from
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14:07<rufensis13>djc: i ran make uninstall and it appears to have run the process without errors. the folder i compiled still exists, though
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14:09<djc>did it remove what was in it tho?
14:09<djc>if you try to run 'vlc' does it now report that it doesnt exist?
14:09<djc>if it still does run, what does:
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14:09<djc>'which vlc'
14:09<djc>tell you?
14:11<Br4z3r>Hi, I have the a problem with the Atheros wifi card on asus f5sl I installed the wadwifi drivers and the wifi0 see the networks and connects but I don't have internet connectivity
14:11<Br4z3r>I am with debian lenny
14:11<djc>does your wifi/router support dhcp?
14:11<Br4z3r>it does
14:12<Br4z3r>i have ubuntu system on the same laptop and the wifi is working
14:12<djc>at a shell prompt, run 'sudo ifconfig -a ' and sudo netstat -rn' and pastebin the results
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14:12<rufensis13>djc: that worked. the compiled version is gone. re-installing the repos version now
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14:14<djc>Br4z3r, ok, you appear to be connected via wired
14:15<djc>is that not working?
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14:15<rufensis13>djc: the repos version gives the same trouble as before. sound but no video
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14:15<djc>rufensis13, ok, now try what you were doing before.. run vlc <filename.avi> and copy/paste the result
14:15<djc>but use pastebin
14:15<djc>dont paste it here
14:15<szonek>hi, do you know any dhcp server which saves it's data in database?
14:16<djc>you mean loads its config from?
14:16<djc>dhcp servers dont generate data
14:16<djc>in general
14:16<szonek>djc: yes, and saves dhcp leases
14:16<djc>seems a bit overkill
14:16<valdyn>szonek: whats could be the point of making this complex by involving a database?
14:16<valdyn>szonek: whats could be the point in making this complex by involving a database?
14:17<szonek>djc: config is enough actually
14:17<djc>still seems a bit overkill
14:18<djc>if youve got enough statically specified dhcp assignments that you need a database, it might be time to subnet
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14:18<Br4z3r>djc, yes I am because it cut my internet connection when I try to connect with it
14:18<szonek>valdyn: i have to create a web interface for dhcp server and i'm trying to find the easiest way
14:18<djc>Br4z3r, ok, do this:
14:18<valdyn>szonek: editing a flat file is easy
14:18<soulslayer>hey guys how can i lock one of my webdirs
14:18<djc>1. unplug your ethernet cable. 2. then connect to the wifi, and run those two commands again, but leave their output on the screen
14:18<soulslayer>can i do it via apache
14:19<djc>then replug your ethernet cable, and copy/paste the output that you got from them when you were connected to the wifi
14:19<szonek>valdyn: yeah, but sql is probably easier and more universal
14:19<valdyn>more universal than a text file, umm
14:19<djc>szonek, the web interface could munge on a db table,
14:19<szonek>valdyn: no, that's not what i mean
14:19<djc>and a script could query the table and auto-generate the flat file for the dhcpd
14:20<davi>I am trying to compile iceweasel (lenny). I get this error: "checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ ) works... no". Note I have already installed g++-4.3
14:20<valdyn>szonek: there already is alot of dhcp web or whatever interfaces, you can possible share code
14:20<davi>How to compile iceweasel?
14:20<rufensis13>djc: let's see if i did this right.
14:20<djc>why do you need to comiple it?
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14:20<valdyn>davi: installing the c++ compiler would be a start
14:20<szonek>valdyn: i mean reading from sql is easier, in example select from database is easier to do than parsing config
14:20<szonek>valdyn: okay, i will look into that
14:20<davi>valdyn, I installed g++-4.3 some weeks ago!
14:20<soulslayer>davi, why you dont make aptitude install
14:20<valdyn>szonek: yea, i get the point, just trolling you
14:21<soulslayer>maybe you try to compile old version
14:21<szonek>valdyn: :)
14:21<djc>rufensis13, aptitude install libxvidcore4
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14:21<valdyn>davi: what does running "g++" give?
14:21<djc>davi, why do you want to compile by hand instead of using the package from the repository?
14:21<davi>soulslayer, aptitude does not propose any package to install. g++-4.3 is already installed! Why is failing the configure script if the g++ is already installed?
14:22<djc>to compile stuff, you need more than just one g++ package
14:22<djc>but see my previous question
14:22<davi>djc, I am trying to get the stack trace of reproducible crashes in amd64
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14:22<valdyn>davi: and you cant just install the -dbg version?
14:22<soulslayer>davi, maybe the iceweasel you try to install it's made for other version of g++ go to debian packeges page for your distribution and see what is the correct name for iceweasel
14:22<davi>valdyn, g++
14:22<davi>g++: no input files
14:22<soulslayer>and make aptitude install
14:23<soulslayer>but i sugest you to try the new opera
14:23<valdyn>davi: apt-get build-dep iceweasel
14:23<davi>valdyn, Let me look if there is -dbg version
14:23<soulslayer>i have problems with sockets on iceweasel
14:23<djc>davi, :
14:23<djc>apt-get build-dep iceweasel
14:23<valdyn>davi: there is a -dbg version of xulrunner-1.9, thats probably enough
14:23<djc>apt-get source iceweasel
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14:23<djc>also see
14:24<valdyn>davi: and you want to -dbg versions of the libraries too, probably, like libc6
14:24<davi>valdyn, apt-get build-dep iceweasel has not solved the problem! Same configure message!
14:24<valdyn>davi: i cant support upstream sources
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14:24<djc>davi, did you get the source from the repo?
14:25<davi>valdyn, I am trying to solve a crash on the Debian lenny package for amd64
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14:25<djc>did you read the insctructions for compiling debian packages from source at that url?
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14:25<davi>djc, apt-get source iceweasel
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14:25<djc>since it would have taken more than two minutes, I doubt it
14:25<davi>djc, No, I did not read the instructions. thanks let me read it
14:26<davi>thanks djc
14:26<valdyn>davi: you really want to just get -dbg versions and get a stacktrace that way
14:26<Br4z3r>djc, it seems that do not connects to the router but see the network
14:26<djc>Br4z3r, did you get those pastes?
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14:26<davi>valdyn, Yes, I would like
14:26<djc>of ifconfig -a and netstat -rn while you were on the wireless?
14:27<Br4z3r>it didn't connect
14:27<djc>you said it was able to connect but you didnt have internet connectivity
14:27<davi>valdyn, I am trying to pick the Debian lenny amd64 package to install with -dbg
14:27<djc>what I need to see, is the output of those commands *at that time*
14:28<djc>that will give some insight as to why you dont have connectivity
14:28<djc>and I need to leave in 5 minutes
14:28<aaron_>djc: i already have ver 2:1.1.3-0.6 of libxvidcore4 installed
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14:29<davi>valdyn, I do not manage to see the dgb package for iceweasel!
14:29<djc>davi, just type aptitude install iceweasel-dbg
14:30<davi>I did not found it in
14:30<davi>Is it usual do not find it at but yest via aptitude install ?
14:30<djc>you mean here:
14:31<valdyn>davi: you probably dont need it, i told you already to get the -dbg package for xulrunner
14:31<valdyn>davi: xulrunner-1.9 even
14:31<valdyn>!versions xulrunner-1.9
14:31<valdyn>judd: versions xulrunner-1.9
14:31<judd>valdyn: xulrunner-1.9 -- lenny: lenny-security: squeeze: sid:
14:32<valdyn>judd: versions xulrunner-1.9-dbg
14:32<judd>valdyn: xulrunner-1.9-dbg -- lenny: lenny-security: squeeze: sid:
14:32<davi>valdyn, aptitude is already installing it, both iceweasel-dbg xulrunner-1.9-dbg{a}
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14:32<davi>valdyn, Now, How I am sure I am running the dbg version?
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14:33<djc>i think that it isnt a different 'version'.. the -dbg packages _add_ the debugging symbols..
14:33<valdyn>davi: if you use gdb to run it, then gdb will use the dbg code
14:33<davi>valdyn, Note the iceweasel package has not been deleted.
14:33<djc>I could be wrong, valdyn will correct me if so
14:33<davi>ah, ok
14:34<locklace>davi: run nm on it
14:34<djc>I gotta go.. someone help Br4z3r if/when he manages to paste his ifconfig
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14:35<Br4z3r>djc, well it do not connects to the network only detects it what could be the reason ?? My router work just fine with the wired connection and with the same wifi card on ubuntu
14:35<davi>locklace, good to know
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14:37<djc>Br4z3r, I told you what I needed to see
14:38<djc>disconnect your network cable, 'connect'
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14:38<djc>what do you mean it 'detects' it but doesnt connect?
14:38<djc>ive got to go
14:38<djc>someone else will have to help
14:38<Br4z3r>ok thanks anyway :)
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14:38<davi>valdyn, I do nto know where are the symbols but "gdb /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin" says "(no debugging symbols found)"
14:39<davi># nm /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin
14:39<davi>nm: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: no symbols
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14:42<bja>Br4z3r: Common sense, if every thing works on a distro, then get the information from that distro and compare it with the information on the distro you intend to have the machine running, most of the time the differences are obvios.
14:42<davi>I could donate $1 USD via to fix this bug
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14:47<bja>Br4z3r: Not that it is the best road, buth then again Its a way to solve things.
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14:49<davi>danger, Well, maybe $1,02 USD
14:49<davi>danger, #0.02 USD is the minimum allowed by donation-pledge-groups
14:49<locklace>davi: that's your original firefox binary; remember you still have the standard iceweasel package installed
14:50<locklace>davi: do a dpkg -L on the -dbg package to see what files it owns
14:50<eraserhead>which symbol do you see: € ?
14:50<davi>locklace, I did. It contains .so
14:50<Br4z3r>bja, I'll try that
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14:51<locklace>davi: then those are the files with the debugging symbols
14:51<davi>danger, eraserhead , $ or EUR is just the same. The bank will convert it for you ;)
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14:51<apfelmann>is here any channel for sound-hardware (on a ppc)
14:51<bja>Br4z3r: Check all the steps you were asked in here on one distro, then check them on the other,
14:51<bja>Br4z3r: Good luck
14:52<davi>locklace, I do not understand how such files will be auto-loaded and by iceweasel. gdb says there are not symbols, Same nm firefox-bin
14:52<locklace>davi: sorry, i'm not familiar with how the -dbg is set up either
14:52<davi>np, thanks
14:53<locklace>i guess it might be easier just to compile your own; but of course, building firefox is a right pain in the arse
14:53<locklace>and then you have to decide which of the libraries it uses you also want the debug versions of
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14:54<davi>locklace, I see. I will try to compile
14:55<locklace>what i'd do is just compile the app itself using -g and see if you get a good backtrace from that. if not, have to link it with the debug versions of some or all of its libs too
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14:58<soufiane>salut a tous
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15:02<goodbit>Does anyone know how to get a high resolution terminal (not terminal emulator)?
15:02<goodbit>I did it on my desktop, but I forgot what packages I installed
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15:09<danger>Damn it forgotten how to get DVD playback working. Help plz.
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15:16<shiloh16>good evening, can anyone assist me in installing nvidia drivers?
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15:17<bja>shiloh16: install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` and you'll be fine
15:18<bja>shiloh16: all those are on the official repository.
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15:21<chealer>shiloh16: just ask your question.
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15:27<enouf>danger: mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device /dev/dvdrom
15:28<bja>will that work from cli
15:28<shiloh16>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common
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15:29<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
15:31<bja>shiloh16: Debian version?
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15:31<Br4z3r>bja, it seems that the madwifi driver made somehow my wifi card only in monitoring mode
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15:32<Br4z3r>bja, do you have experience in that kind of situation
15:32<shiloh16>bja 5.0.1 lenny
15:32<bja>shiloh16: check your repository through aptitude, it should be there
15:34<bja>Br4z3r: no experience there.
15:35<Br4z3r>bja, thanks anyway :)
15:35<bja>Br4z3r: If both distros are using madwifi, chech the config file for madwifi on both and do a diff
15:35<bja>Br4z3r: it usually works
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15:35<davi>locklace, Same problem with: "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b"
15:35<davi>checking whether the C++ compiler (c++ -g ) works... no
15:35<davi>configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.
15:36<Br4z3r>bja, I'll check that
15:36<bja>Br4z3r: Good luck
15:36<locklace>davi: can you compile a test program with c++ -g
15:36<shiloh16>bja, im a new user, im not familiar with how to do that
15:37<bja>shiloh16: easiest way
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15:37<bja>shiloh16: are you on gnome or kde
15:37<shiloh16>im in gnome
15:37<bja>shiloh16: get a console running with root privilidges
15:37<davi>locklace, I will try to compile a package. Anyway I note you that config.log says:
15:37<davi>c++: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1plus)
15:38<shiloh16>its open
15:38<bja>type aptitude
15:38<locklace>davi: haha
15:38<davi>locklace, :) Let me try to compile a simple C++ program
15:38<locklace>davi: what version of g++ is that
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15:39<bja>shiloh16: what happened
15:39<shiloh16>bja, oks got that
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15:39<davi>locklace, # g++ -o hello hello.c
15:39<davi>g++: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1plus)
15:39<davi>Please submit a full bug report.
15:39<davi>See <file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/README.Bugs> for instructions.
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15:39<shiloh16>went to a screen with installed, not installed, virtual, and tasks
15:39<ml|>hmm rtorrent has gone backwards, getting errors from old rtorrentrc
15:40<bja>shiloh16: type / to search
15:40<enouf>ml|: ouch
15:41<ml|>glad I have old rtorrent deb file :)
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15:41<ml|>davi ...
15:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
15:42<davi>OK, 2 lines as maximum. Should be go ahead and fill a bug report?
15:42<enouf>davi: install build-essential (and stop flooding please)
15:42<locklace>davi: what version of g++ is that
15:42<enouf>g++ -v
15:42<davi>locklace, g++ (Debian 4.3.3-8) 4.3.3
15:43<locklace>davi: have you had any other problems with normal gcc, or with other things on your system besides iceweasel crashing?
15:43<davi>enouf, build-essential was already installed
15:43<locklace>davi: anything unusual about your debian install?
15:43*enouf wonders if one of the update-alternatives is not set accordingly (think c99) .. or .. is this eglibc fallout? :-P
15:43<davi>locklace, no. I have compiled a big software with gcc and it works perfectly
15:44<amphi>naturally, panic broke out
15:44<enouf>~# update-alternatives --config c++
15:44<locklace>davi: in that case i suspect your g++ install is borked somehow
15:45<enouf># ls -l /usr/bin/g++
15:45<enouf>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2009-04-24 02:12 /usr/bin/g++ -> g++-4.3
15:45<davi>enouf, There is only 1 program which provides c++
15:45<davi>(/usr/bin/g++). Nothing to configure.
15:45<davi>/usr/bin/g++ -> g++-4.3
15:45<bja>shiloh16: Are you still there?
15:46<shiloh16>bja, yessir i am
15:46<shiloh16>i was waiting for you to tell me what to search for, lol
15:46<davi>enouf, Debian lenny (amd64 over Intel Core i7)
15:46<enouf>wtf is cc1plus?
15:46<bja>shiloh16: then did you find it
15:46<locklace>judd versions g++
15:46<judd>locklace: g++ -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 squeeze: 4:4.3.3-3 sid: 4:4.3.3-5
15:46<locklace>enouf: it's the actualy c++ backend compiler
15:46<bja>shiloh16: guess please just one guess
15:47<enouf>locklace: ok .. and eww
15:47<shiloh16>ahhh oks i got it
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15:47<locklace>davi: btw how did you end up with 4.3.3-8 when the version in sid is -3
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15:47<bja>shiloh16: install it and you'll be allright
15:48<bja>shiloh16: good luck
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15:48<shiloh16>ty very much bja
15:49<davi>locklace, I am back. I have installed some packages from sid, yes.
15:50<davi>Do you think that the problem?
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15:50<davi>ok, thank. I will downgrade such packages
15:51<davi>Is there any way to know what packages in my system can be downgraded from sid to lenny?
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15:53<locklace>davi: what i asked was, how did you get a -8 version when the version in sid is -5
15:54<davi>locklace, The only different to standard (lenny or sid) that I have at /etc/apt/sources.list is: deb lenny main
15:54<davi>and deb lenny openvz
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15:55<davi>locklace, How to know what package should I downgrade?
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15:55<locklace>davi: well, suggest purging that g++ package and installing the current squeeze (4.3.3-3) or sid (4.3.3-5) version
15:56<davi>locklace, What about the lenny version? !!
15:56<locklace>the squeeze version works fine for me
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15:56<locklace>are you running lenny, squeeze, or sid?
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15:57<locklace>wait a minute
15:57<locklace>can you please paste "cat /etc/debian_version" and your sources.list
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15:58<davi>locklace, I am running lenny with some packages from sid. I installed lenny from DVD some days after its official release
15:58<|Vasko|>someone speak spanish???
15:58<|Vasko|>pvt plz
15:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:59<davi>locklace, /etc/debian_version 5.0.1
15:59<locklace>davi: so you have sid repos in your sources.list
15:59<ml|><dpkg> Someone already said that 0 seconds ago <--- lol
16:00<davi>locklace, Now only lenny ones with other commented
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16:00<locklace>davi: have you done any apt updates and installs/upgrades?
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16:00<ml|>davi: mixing stable and unstable is not a good idea
16:00<davi>locklace, I have done apt update to sid repositories and two one non-Debian official (debian multimedia and the OpenVZ one)
16:01<locklace>davi: i think your system is hosed
16:01<davi>ml|, It is a lot usual in Debian users!
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16:01<ml|>davi: huh
16:01<davi>locklace, I will try to clean up
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16:02<ml|>davi: testing and unstable is better option
16:02<locklace>davi: there is a program called apt-listrepository which you can find easily on the web; suggest you get that and run "apt-listrepository | grep -v lenny" and paste the output
16:03<davi>ml|, You know: You have a problem with the graphic driver and testing do not have the update you need, you just to sid because you do not want to risk with a full upgrade to testing
16:03<davi>ml|, Thanks! I take note. I fear a lot do it. You know. I want an stable base.
16:04<davi>locklace, I am going to do that
16:04<ml|>davi: ok, but once you mix stable with unstable it's really not stable any more
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16:05<ml|>ofcourse it's your choice ;)
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16:08<davi>I got busy right now, with my baby
16:08<ml|>l8r gl
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16:14<sandygraziel>meu msn naum tah estar pegando
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16:18<locklace>god i hate white backgrounds
16:18<locklace>is there some way to be able to press a key in firefox and have it scale the background down the grey spectrum
16:20<simonrvn>edit your prefs
16:21<locklace>simonrvn: doesn't work for pages that set their backgrounds explicitly to white
16:21<locklace>which is 99% of them
16:22<simonrvn>yes, and? userContent.css or something like that... it's in your profile dir
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16:23<onur>sorry wrong channel
16:23<simonrvn>just set background-color: #666666 !important; or something like it..
16:24<locklace>simonrvn: i'll try that
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16:25<locklace>problem is, i don't want to override the background on all pages, only ones where it's set to white
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16:30<simonrvn>locklace: css 2.1 can't do that
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16:31<gecko_>how to use find to search 2 files? like: find / -name *.mp3 *.wma ?????
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16:31<locklace>simonrvn: yeah, i think i'm screwed
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16:32<davi>locklace, I am back. "apt-listrepository | grep -v lenny"
16:32<locklace>gecko_: escape the *s
16:32<simonrvn>gecko_: man find; /-or
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16:33<gecko_>find: paths must precede expression: *wma
16:33<gecko_>Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression]
16:33<locklace>davi: can you do an "aptitude show hal" and tell me the version it shows
16:33<locklace>judd versions hal
16:33<judd>locklace: hal -- etch: lenny: 0.5.11-8 sid: 0.5.12~git20090406.46dc48-2 squeeze: 0.5.12~git20090406.46dc48-2
16:33<gecko_>find ~ *mp3 -or *wma
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16:33<gecko_>i can do: locate *mp3 *wma
16:34<stuckey>Should rtorret be using 47% of my cpu resources?
16:34<stuckey>It's enough that my cpu fan is running... and I have a core 2 duo...
16:34<gecko_>but with find.. i don't know how to do
16:34<valdyn>gecko_: do you understand what * does?
16:35<gecko_>i want to seach files ending with .mp3 and .wma
16:35<valdyn>gecko_: you cant feed find multiple paths like that
16:35<valdyn>gecko_: you got told already that you need to escape the *
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16:36<davi>locklace, Version: 0.5.12~git20090406.46dc48-2
16:37<locklace>davi: ok, basically your system is hosed
16:37<gecko_>there is no -or syntax?
16:37<valdyn>gecko_: now i doubt that your locate command does what you think it does too
16:37<locklace>davi: you're stuck in between lenny and sid
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16:37<locklace>davi: so it's not surprising you're having all kinds of weird problems
16:37<gecko_>locate works
16:37<davi>locklace, How can I fix it. Downgrading all non lenny packages?
16:37<valdyn>gecko_: thats coincidence
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16:37<simonrvn>gecko_: with proper syntax it does (IIRC)
16:37<locklace>davi: a better option for you is probably to migrate to testing
16:38<stuckey>Anyone know how much system resources rtorrent should use?
16:38<ml|>stuckey: what is rtorrent doing?
16:38<davi>locklace, I fear it, Testing is too much unstable, some times
16:38<stuckey>ml|: 47% of my cpu resources...
16:38<stuckey>ml|: makes cpu fan run...
16:38<stuckey>ml|: it's never done this before.
16:38<locklace>davi: it's actually pretty stable as long as you're careful about how you do upgrades
16:39<davi>locklace, There are not too much non-lenny packages. Maybe purging it and installing it again would solve my problem?
16:39<valdyn>gecko_: try: find . -name "*.mp3" -name "*.wma"
16:39<locklace>!tell davi about safe upgrade
16:39<ml|>stuckey: yes, what is rtorrent doind hashing etc..
16:39<stuckey>ml|: it isn't hashing
16:39<locklace>davi: it's possible sometimes to downgrade but it's harder than you think, and error-prone
16:39<stuckey>ml|: uploading
16:39<locklace>davi: honestly i think for your needs you will be happier with testing
16:40<simonrvn>valdyn: IIRC that's an implicit and arg
16:40<ml|>stuckey: how many uploads?, but teah doesn't seem normal
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16:40<stuckey>ml|: less than 6
16:40<davi>locklace, I am thinking ....
16:40<valdyn>simonrvn: yea, probably, i dont know
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16:41<ml|>stuckey: have you tried restarting it
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16:41<davi>locklace, I will try first downgrading
16:41<deniz>how do i add kde panel using terminal?
16:41<stuckey>ml|: okay i resset it and it's back to normal
16:42<locklace>!tell davi about downgrade
16:42<stuckey>ml|: but is there a log file or someway I could find out why it did that?
16:42<davi>locklace, If it fails I can upgrade anyway
16:42<simonrvn>deniz: you run the "command &" ..
16:42<ml|>stuckey: not that i know of
16:42<locklace>davi: good luck
16:42<deniz>simonrvn, what do i replace "command" with?
16:42<valdyn>simonrvn: what you knew already: its an "and", yes
16:43<simonrvn>valdyn: ok
16:43<davi>locklace, thanks for all your help
16:43<simonrvn>thanks for confirming
16:43<stuckey>Maybe someone else knows...
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16:44<simonrvn>deniz: what is this, kde3, 4?
16:45<simonrvn>kde3 it's 'kicker', kde4 i don't know nor care
16:45*simonrvn has a down on v4
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16:47<deniz>simonrvn, 3.5 lenny's
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16:48<vukashin>hello. my question is how to mount and add ext3 partition to fstab? i'm using debian lenny 5.0.1 i386 KDE3.5.10 and 2.6.26-2-686 kernel
16:48<simonrvn>deniz: ^^^
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16:49<deniz>simonrvn, ok now i have a problem with the side having some "panel" that i cant right click on or drag away, what is that and how do i remove it? apt-get remove --purging it dint do anything
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16:51<locklace>vukashin: so...what have you tried so far? it's as simple as copying one of your existing fstab entries or reading "man fstab"
16:51<simonrvn>that panel is kicker's i think. you'll have to go into kcontrol and remove it from there... it could also be some applet.
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16:52<simonrvn>using apt-get wouldn't remove something like that, not directly, nor would it kill it. it's in resident memory, even if you --purged kicker and all the applets.
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16:53<simonrvn>if you tried to *do* something like add/remove an applet however, then kicker would probably crash and burn ;).
16:53<vukashin>locklace: i tried to mount the partition and it's mounted to /mnt/EXT3 I dis that manually from konsole with mount -r command
16:53<bremner><bremner> cfdisk says /dev/sda1 is 39G, but df says 10G. Can an ext3 partition be smaller than the containing physical (no lvm here) partition?
16:54<bremner>(running last weeks squeeze install)
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16:54<locklace>vukashin: what is the path of the device you want to mount (e.g. /dev/sda5) and what directory do you want it mounted at
16:54<vukashin>but it's locked I can't write to it
16:54<davi>locklace, What about upgrade to sid? Do you advise me it? Is it manageable via safe-upgrade?
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16:54<locklace>vukashin: of course not, you mounted it read-only
16:54<locklace>davi: like i said, my view, upgrade to testing (squeeze)
16:54<vukashin>./dev/sda2 /mnt/EXT3
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16:55<vukashin>read only?
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16:55<locklace>davi: it's "more stable" than sid
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16:55<vukashin>maybe I should umount it first and mount again without -r option
16:55<locklace>vukashin: yes, that's what your -r option to mount did. do you even understand the commands you're typing in?
16:55<valdyn>maybe they shouldnt have renamed upgrade to safe-upgrade
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16:56<simNIX>vukashin, you remound ro to rw -> mount -o rw (mount point)
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16:56<simNIX>*you can
16:56<vukashin>i used that -r before for ntfs partition and later I added that ntfs partition to fstab and it works
16:56<simonrvn>valdyn: agreed, rather silly name change, imo
16:56<vukashin>ok i'll try to remount.
16:57<locklace>vukashin: your fstab line is going to look like this: "/dev/sda2 /mnt/EXT3 ext3 defaults 0 2"
16:57<vukashin>what that 0 2 means?
16:57<locklace>vukashin: umount /mnt/EXT3, put that line in your /etc/fstab, and then mount -av
16:57<locklace>"man fstab"
16:57<davi>locklace, ok. I fear now testing is more stable than sid, but in 11 month it will be less. You know
16:57<locklace>davi: testing should never be more unstable than "unstable" ;)
16:58<vukashin>ok :) thanks. what that -av option means? anyway I'll read man pages.
16:58<valdyn>davi: the meanings of dist-upgrade or safe-upgrade etc are *not* intuitive at all, you really want to understand what they do before you consider using anything but stable
16:58<simonrvn>us sid users would be seriously lacking in our end of the bargain, or a major transition going on, if that is ever true ;).
16:59<vukashin>i remember I used umask=0022 for ntfs partition. maybe 0 2 is something similar
16:59<davi>locklace, valdyn, I see. So I will try to downgrade with dpkg -i
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16:59<locklace>davi: i think you'll be fine with testing, but up to you
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17:01<Lantizia>OK Re-installed totally and still the same issue
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17:01<davi>locklace, I require Debian lenny for other development platform
17:02<chealer>bremner: you must mean an ext3 filesystem
17:02<bremner>chealer: yes, sorry
17:03<chealer>bremner: yes
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17:07<bremner>hmm. since ext2resize only works on unmounted partitions and I did the root only install (was in a hurry), I guess I need to boot from a live CD to fix it it.
17:07<bremner>damn, I mean unmounted filesystems
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17:08<locklace>bremner: you can grow a filesystem with resize2fs if your kernel can handle it
17:08<locklace>a mounted filesystem
17:09*bremner reads...
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17:13<bremner>cool, that seems to have fixed it.
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17:15<bremner>locklace, chealer: thanks
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17:17<vukashin>locklace: it works. thanks :)
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17:17<vukashin>i just changed the permissions and I can write to it now as regular user
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17:27<stuckey>How do I keep the screen saver from coming on while I'm watching a movie?
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17:28<stuckey>!blank screen
17:28<locklace>stuckey: you can turn it off with xset
17:28<stuckey>locklace: Tried xset s off and xset -dpms but it still comes on.
17:29<locklace>paste output of "xset q"
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17:35<locklace>stuckey: only strange thing i see there is "DPMS Enabled" even though you said you xset -dpms. other option is to put options in your xorg.conf, "man xorg.conf | less +/^SERVERFLAGS" for details
17:35<stuckey>okay thanks
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17:37<action09>hi all
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17:38<action09>i just made on Lenny an upgrade and reboot, and some apps in X seems to scroll very slowly (firefox, xchat..etc) any clue ? please
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17:39<locklace>did your xserver change? what card do you have and which x video driver are you using? what does "scroll very slowly" mean
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17:41<chealer>action09: what did you upgrade?
17:41<action09>to scroll the window, scrolling is to slow to go from tpo to bottom.., i'm using X.Org version: 1.4.2, fglrx driver, card Radeon HD 4870
17:42<action09>chealer can't remember was yeasterday, i must look in dpkg.log
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17:42<chealer>action09: indeed
17:43<locklace>dpkg: screensaver is <reply>To configure the screen-blanker for virtual (text) consoles, use the setterm(1) utility or edit /etc/console-tools/config for permanent changes. To configure the X screen-blanker and screen power management settings, use the xset(1) utility or set the appropriate options in xorg.conf; see "man xorg.conf | less +/^SERVERFLAGS".
17:43<dpkg>okay, locklace
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17:48<action09>upgraded some pkg
17:48<action09>damn i must search
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17:52<stuckey>locklace: screen is still blanking
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17:52<ml|>!beer amphi
17:52*dpkg pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for amphi
17:53<stuckey>Does anyone here know how to keep the damn screen from blanking out when watching a movie in mplayer???
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17:57<locklace>stuckey: did you set BlankTime to 0 in the serverflags and DPMS to false in the Monitor section
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18:03<deniz>i have a Qt program called mnemosyne that looks ugly unless i install kde and open it using kde once (then i can have it beatiful looking within GNOME), apart from needing kde to make it beatiful, i have an issue that doesn't allow me to maximize certain windows and forces me to stretch them manually, kde and windows doesn't have this I file these as gdm bugs? If not, then what?
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18:06<chatuu>tem alguem ai ?
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18:07<chatuu>km0t, ta ae ?
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18:08<chatuu>km0t, e q achei q o meu client tava bugado =X ninguem ta falando nada
18:08<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:09<chatuu>km0t, or anybody else, do you know if i shoud use amd64 or i386 ?
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18:11<chatuu>Ganneff, do you Know if it makes that much diference in a destop system ?
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18:15<chealer>deniz: there's nothing you wrote that tells me there could be a gdm bug.
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18:16<deniz>chealer, it occurs only in GNOME, that's what
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18:17<chealer>deniz: gdm is not gnome-desktop-environment, it's the GNOME display manager (an optional part of GNOME)
18:18<deniz>chealer, well is it in any way related to GNOME though?
18:19<deniz>chealer, because i use mnemosyne every single day almost every single minute for school so it would be very convenient for me to be able to maximize windows in 1 simple click
18:19<deniz>chealer, if not on my lenny comp at least this could be fixed on my squeeze comp
18:20<chealer>deniz: maybe. I have no idea without a more precise description of how mnemosyne looks
18:21<deniz>chealer, now it looks great once i install kde and run mnemosyne in kde, i just have to switch back to GNOME then it looks nice in GNOME otherwise it looks like some pure windows 95 garbage
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18:21<chealer>deniz: yes, a description of how it looks when you're experiencing the problem
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18:23<deniz>chealer, the maximizing problem? if so, it simply doesnt show anything but the close button when in kde and windows it shows the minimize, maximize and close buttons
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18:23<deniz>chealer, i tried two different windows border themes
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18:24<chealer>deniz: no, the "ugly look" problem
18:25<deniz>chealer, well on a fresh install, it looks like all old and grey like win95 and when I install kde then run it in kde then go back to gnome and run it, it looks all winXP silvery and nice
18:25<enouf>deniz: doesn't the WM control whether or not say, a doubleclick on title bar maximizes the window? I know i've killed my WM, and the title bar, status bar, etc all disappear
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18:26<deniz>enouf, how do i get to the GNOME control?
18:26<deniz>enouf, and it's only on that program btw, everything else has the minimize, maximize and close buttons
18:26<chealer>deniz: and the good look stays after uninstalling KDE?
18:26<enouf>deniz: there are also qt-gtk-* pkgs that possibly could get around your need for kde?
18:26<deniz>chealer, yes
18:26<enouf>i don't use gnome
18:26<neomilium>hello, I experience some problem using md raid between differents architectures (ppc and i386), where could I get some help ?
18:27<deniz>enouf, thats not all tho
18:27<deniz>enouf, the program has minimize, maximize and close buttons but only the "Add card" and "Edit Deck" windows don't (in GNOME)
18:27<chealer>deniz: uninstall KDE and all packages that KDE required when installing?
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18:28<deniz>chealer, well sudo apt-get remove --purge kde kdm
18:28<locklace>!tell neomilium about how to ask
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18:28<chealer>deniz: that doesn't remove most KDE packages.
18:29<neomilium>locklace: ??
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18:30<chealer>neomilium: if it's about Debian, did you try this channel?
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18:31<chealer>deniz: I don't remember seeing windows without all the right buttons (though I never payed attention). perhaps GNOME people would know about that.
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18:31<enouf>judd: depends kdm
18:31<judd>enouf: kdm -- Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.9), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libpam0g (>=, libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8b), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxau6, libxdmcp6, libxtst6, kdebase-bin (= 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6), kdebase-data (>> 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1), kdebase-data (<< 4:3.5.9.dfsg.2), debconf (>= 1.2.9) | debconf-2.0, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-14)
18:32<nick_h[litage]>why would this not write anything to /var/log/syslog ?: logger -t NICK 'test 2'
18:32*enouf is looking for kwin in that mess
18:32<enouf>judd: depends kwin
18:32<judd>enouf: kwin -- Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.9), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.8b), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxrender1
18:33<deniz>chealer, is there a GNOME irc channel?
18:33<sney>it's probably on freenode
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18:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gnome is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+ - see To get GNOME, ask me about <install gnome>. See also <gnome status>. http:/ #gnome-debian @
18:33<enouf>deniz: for shits and giggles see what (as root) what update-alternatives --config x-[tab][tab] shows for default selection/options for each of those shown
18:33<locklace>nick_h[litage]: check /var/log/user.log
18:33<neomilium>Ok, let's go: If I create a raid0 or raid1 array using my ppc then pickup disks and place them in a i386, I'm not able to detect (and assemble) using these architecure. If I create raid array on i386 then ppc is not able to read md array too... What workaround could I use to be able to plug disks from one computer to another that use another architecture ?
18:34<enouf>x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser are my choices here deniz
18:34<nick_h[litage]>locklace: thanks. that's where my test messages are going
18:35<enouf>deniz: though as you said; it's only 1 application that has the issue? then i'd say some buggy app
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18:35<neomilium>chealer, any ideas ? locklace maybe ?
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18:35<deniz>enouf, the main guy that made the app said it's not the app's fault but gnome and integration with Qt or something like that
18:36<enouf>deniz: possible, but that sounds like one dev blaming another dev - either way, i don;t think we can help
18:36<sney>neomilium: maybe using a hardware RAID with a pci controller that works on both architechtures? so the array setup is handled by the controller rather than the OS
18:36<chealer>neomilium: I never used RAID.
18:37<sney>I think there are some adaptec ones that work on both
18:37<deniz>enouf, well i dont need u to solve my problem i would just like to know to who id file a bug
18:37<nick_h[litage]>locklace: any idea why this wouldn't end up in /var/log/syslog ?: sudo logger -p syslog.notice -t NICK test
18:37<enouf>deniz: it's like say a Bloated browser allowing all this flashcrapppoopshit code to run natively and a real browser just not allowing for that shit to happen
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18:37<neomilium>sney, yes it can be an ultimate solution...
18:38<enouf>deniz: the upstream app dev? and/or the other devs?
18:38<deniz>enouf, upstream not debian package maintainer if that's what you meant
18:38<enouf>deniz: check it out when you compile things from upstream to knock anything debian specific out of the loop
18:38<enouf>deniz: also - try other distros
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18:39<deniz>enouf, o thats the better solution
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18:39<deniz>enouf, ill use an ubuntu live cd?
18:39<locklace>nick_h[litage]: you don't want to use the "syslog" facility
18:39<enouf>deniz: i suggest a few - even RH based, maybe archlinux , slackware, gentoo, etc
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18:40<enouf>fedora - try ones non-Debian based as well
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18:40<deniz>enouf, o ill have to download non debian then because i only have debian and ubuntu discs
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18:41<enouf>one step at a time
18:41<deniz>enouf, ok so ill load up ubuntu live cd on another comp brb
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18:46<enouf>deniz: listen, i just saw your "add card" and "edit deck" post -- i know atleast KDE has so much (advanced) window controls that one can go nuts -- those seem like they are Dialog windows (IOW, secondary?) FWIW, i know each and every type of window can be made to behave (and even open at a certain size and postition) a certain way .. and that info stored/saved via User interface
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18:49<deniz>enouf, do you know to make those two spefific windows behave the way I want them to behave?
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18:51<enouf>deniz: no - i never heard of that app, and i only know somethings about kde, which you seem to want to have not installed anyway - i access those controls through right-clicking the Title Bar (kwin) > (either) Advanced > Special Window Settings || Special Application settings -- (or) > Windows Behaviour ... which is really a K Control Center applet
18:52<enouf>man i loathe talking about configuring bloated GUI crap
18:53<enouf>s/Windows Behaviour/Configure Windows Behaviour
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19:20<deniz>enouf, on ubuntu 9.04, it can maximize!!! however it still looks like garbage
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19:20<enouf>deniz: how can it maximize? are the boxes/buttons there now? or does it require double-clicking?
19:21<enouf>and what's on the booboo live? gnome ? kde ?
19:21<enouf>which kde? which gnome?
19:21<deniz>enouf, the box for maximizing is there in ubuntu 9.04 live cd but not in lenny, ill check if it's there in debian squeeze and ill report
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19:21<deniz>9.04 ubuntu = gnome 2.26 latest
19:21<deniz>ill check with squeeze tho and ill get back to u
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19:28<deniz>enouf, doesnt work in squeeze either but then again, lenny and squeeze have same version of GNOME
19:28<enouf>deniz: ugh
19:29<enouf>judd: versions gnome
19:29<judd>enouf: gnome -- etch: 1: lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 squeeze: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 sid: 1:2.24.3~2
19:30<deniz>enouf, do u have a sid system that ud be willing to test for me plz :(
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19:31<enouf>deniz: i don't even use gnome ;-) and it seems not even experimental has 2.26
19:32<deniz>enouf, i got a plan, i can test with the previous ubuntu release, should have about same GNOME of lenny and squeeze
19:32<enouf>deniz: if you've homed in on it being a gnome issue ; /msg dpkg gnome
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19:32<enouf>deniz: i still don't get this kde connection ..
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19:34<deniz>enouf, it has to do with Qt, kde favours Qt while GNOME favours GTK
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19:35*enouf still doesn't understand ... but always willing to try
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19:35<enouf>if it has to do with Qt why on earth are you testing with gnome?
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19:37<deniz>enouf, cuz u told me to lol and i want to use GNOME and not KDE
19:38<ComradeHaz>Hi guys, how do I specify which display to run something on if I run it over ssh
19:38<ComradeHaz>(i want :0 )
19:38<amphi>enouf: you told him to lol??
19:39<amphi>good advice, we need more lollards
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19:40<ComradeHaz>oi! Biatches! :PPP
19:40<enouf>amphi: heh :-p
19:40<ComradeHaz>I need more lollicons
19:40<ComradeHaz>or something
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19:41<enouf>export DISPLAY=:0.0 ? and :0 is the Server
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19:43<deniz>enouf, do u no wat i should do now?
19:43<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
19:43<ComradeHaz>learn to spell?
19:43<ComradeHaz>that's what I think you should do now, deniz
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19:45<ComradeHaz>btw, I have an answer to my question chaps, so pressure's off :)
19:45<deniz>ok but seriously, this is a pretty important thing to me so does anybody know what i can/should do?
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19:47<ComradeHaz>what's teh problem, deniz. Be specific (I'm promising nothing (I'm pretty noob).
19:48<deniz>ComradeHaz, in ubuntu 9.04, i can maximize without a problem
19:49<jrabbit>that needs to be a kickban word
19:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:50<sney>you must be one of the old school surly debian users
19:51<sney>support is for noobs
19:51<ComradeHaz>well, deniz, sadly, I have no idea :(
19:51<deniz>ComradeHaz, ubuntu 8.04 has the same issue
19:51<chealer>deniz: did you ask GNOME people?
19:51<deniz>chealer, i dont know how to contact them
19:51<sney>there is probably #gnome on freenode
19:51<chealer>!tell deniz about gnome
19:52<jrabbit>Gnome has a presence on the gimp irc too
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19:52<sney>dpkg's spam should probably be updated with the actual gnome irc channel, not just the debian one
19:52<jrabbit>because of gtk stuff
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19:57<amphi>deniz: using a tiling window manager would solve that, I suspect ;()
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19:58<chealer>sney: what do you mean by dpkg's spam?
19:59<sney>the bot
19:59<sney>his answer to !gnome only gives debian-specific information, but sometimes that's not what's needed, is all
19:59<sney>like with deniz's lol u no wat i has problem???
20:00<sney>it is probably some obscure gnome thing that nobody but the package maintainer and gnome's dev team will know the answer to
20:04<deniz>ubuntu 8.04 also had the issue, 9.04 didnt and im gonna test 8.10
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20:04<deniz>if sum1 could test with sid for me id appreciate it (u can remove the application after)
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20:16<Chronicle>Hello Guys, anyone knows how to convert MKV for AVI?
20:17<Chronicle>MKV to AVI, with audio, video and subtitlle
20:18<phrosty>look at ffmpeg maybe
20:18<deniz>Chronicle, does oggconvert do that
20:18<phrosty>it might not work at all though, mkv has many more features.
20:18<phrosty>why would you want to convert to avi?
20:19<deniz>phrosty, for easy windows use?
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20:19<phrosty>all the good players on windows support mkv :P
20:20<Chronicle>its for uing on my televison, it dont plays mkv
20:20<Chronicle>i put an AVI file on my pendrive and plug on my tv. it runs it
20:20<Chronicle>but not mkv
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20:21<deniz>how do I remove absolutely everything kde related from my computer?
20:22<Chronicle>so, how can i convert mkv to avi?
20:24<Chronicle>ogg convert
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20:35<chealer>deniz: you can't really do that, but you can remove kdelibs-data
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20:40<deniz>ubuntu 8.10 has gnome 2.24 like sid and it also has the issue, only gnome 2.26 doesn't have that issue, and sid doesn't even have it yet so it's going to be a while before i can get it in testing but believe it or not this is good news for me in a way because I know my problem will be fixed one day when i do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade :)
20:41<dmoerner>deniz, sid has 2.26.1
20:41<deniz>thats the maximizing problem i have but the ugly issue still needs to be dealt with
20:41<deniz>dmoerner, since when?
20:41<deniz>dmoerner, to my knowledge it has 2.24
20:41<dmoerner>with 2.24 for gnome-session
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20:41<dmoerner>"About GNOME" tells me that, I know nothing more sorry
20:41<deniz>dmoerner, ur using sid?
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20:42<dmoerner>well this is bizarre, gnome-session seems to be at 2.22.3 and gnome-panel is at 2.24.3, i have no idea why About Gnome tells me its on 2.26
20:42<dmoerner>yes i am on sid
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20:43<deniz>dmoerner, ok so could u plz install a program temporarily and just confirm sumtin for me plz?
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20:43<dmoerner>deniz, probably not, but what do you want to know
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20:44<deniz>well to see wen u click add card for example if u can maximize the window with 1 click and not need to manually stretch the window
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20:44<dmoerner>how does one "click add card"
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20:45<deniz>it's in the program mnemosyne that i was requesting ud install
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20:48<bremner>!tell deniz -about u
20:48<deniz>oh ya sorry
20:49<chealer>dmoerner: sid only has part of GNOME 2.26
20:49<deniz>i always forget to type normal but i dont see on the other hand why it bother's people here
20:49<dmoerner>not everyone uses english as a first language, and that's normally a prerequisite for understanding the slang
20:50<bremner>deniz: every group has a culture.
20:50<deniz>o thats why
20:50<duraperidol>bremner: couldn't agree with you more
20:50*duraperidol loves social psychology
20:51<deniz>but still in a way if they arent good at english shouldnt they be in another channel?
20:52<dmoerner>it makes sense to keep this channel as accessible as possible
20:52<bremner>deniz: ok, but many of the people you want to leave are helping you :-)
20:52<deniz>i dont WANT them to leave, its just that they should if its not their language, but i guess ill try to make the effort of typing properly here
20:53<dmoerner>also you can read/write perfect english without knowing how to pronounce it
20:53<dmoerner>but you probably need to know pronunciation to understand pidgin shorthand english
20:53<bremner>deniz: I don'
20:54<bremner>ah nevermind.
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20:56<ml|>judd: versions gnome
20:56<judd>ml|: gnome -- etch: 1: lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 squeeze: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 sid: 1:2.24.3~2
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20:58<deniz>dmoerner, are you/will you check if the window maximizes?
20:58<dmoerner>i tried installing it and it gave me some segmentation error when i tried to start it
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20:59<deniz>dmoerner, o that cant be a mnemosyne issue since testing has same version running perfectly
20:59<deniz>dmoerner, ok but thanks for trying to check for me
21:01<chealer>deniz: there is no other official Debian support channel to go with as many people as #debian.
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21:05<XXxxxxxXX>galera estou tendo problemas com o make e o make-install
21:05<XXxxxxxXX>o q devo fazer ?
21:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:06<dpkg>Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such.
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21:07<dpkg>i heard uk is great britain, northern ireland, wales and scotland
21:07<sney>bah I was going to do that
21:07<ml|>sney: sry
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21:08<sney>aw, we made him mad
21:08<ml|>didn't mean to
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21:16<ben2>I just applied an update to network-manager (which I do not knowingly use) on Squeeze and now my system's internet connection is broken; outside IPs and DNS lookups resolve to "network unreachable"
21:19<ben2>can anyone help me fix this, or will I be required to reinstall a copy of lenny?
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21:22<chealer>ben2: I assume you tried restarting the system, right?
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21:23<ben2>chealer: yes, I had to after it crashed, apparently from applying the update
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21:23<chealer>goodger: it crashed? how?
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21:24<goodger>chealer: at the moment that the package was installed, system load started climbing... altgr-sysrq-k killed X but didn't reduce the load
21:24<goodger>so I hit the reset switch
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21:26<chealer>goodger: is dpkg clean?
21:26<ben2_>when I logged back in, everything was working fine (unusual following an unclean mount), except the internet doesn't work
21:27<ben2_>how do I check that?
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21:32<chealer>ben2_: what does # dpkg -C; output?
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21:33<goodger>it looks like a dhcp daemon was removed in the upgrade
21:34<goodger>this I am now reinstalling
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21:37<goodger>and this has not helped whatsoever, even after another restart
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21:41<chealer>goodger: which dhcp daemon?
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21:42<goodger>in fact I have no idea what it does
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21:45<enouf> /sbin/dhcpcd-bin -h sarge -Y -N -R eth0
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21:45<enouf>it's old though, you want dhcp3 or something goodger
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21:45<goodger>I'm using dhcp3-client
21:46<goodger>dhcdbd claims to be a dbus interface to dhcp
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21:48<chealer>goodger: please provide your interfaces file
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21:50<goodger>for some reason, either installing an updated debian archive key package or something entirely unrelated that occured while I was doing that has fixed it
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21:51<enouf>judd: info dhcp3
21:52<enouf>judd: ping
21:52<enouf>judd: info dhcp3-bin
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22:42<solomon>is this the right place to ask a support question?
22:42<dondelelcaro>solomon: yes
22:43<solomon>im trying to install irssi on a webserver where I dont have root privlieges. I compiled it statically on a computer at home and uploaded it to the webserver but then it couldnt find the statically linked libraries for perl (I think because it is looking for the path of my homecomputer). How can i solve this?
22:44<solomon>i used prefix=/home/solomon/local when i compiled it
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22:44<solomon>on the webserver it would be a different username so I assume thats why it couldnt find the libraries?
22:47<bzed>if you link something statically, it won't search for libraries
22:48<bzed>but I doubt there's a static perl library
22:48<bzed>not even sure if that would work
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22:49<solomon>okay maybe i misunderstood the error msg i recieve
22:49<solomon>i'll pase it
22:50<solomon>ah crap i deleted the binary already
22:50<solomon>i did configure prefix=/home/solomon/local --enable-static
22:51<solomon>should that create a proper static binary that i can copy to another computer?
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22:52<anon__>solomon: did you try? $ldd irrsi
22:52<solomon>nope, whats that do?
22:52<anon__>$man ldd
22:53<solomon>oh cool
22:53<solomon>one sec
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22:55<solomon>it looks like --enable-static didnt work
22:55<solomon>do i need to do --enable-static=yes ?
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22:58<CCamando>I was wondering if I could get some quick help I am new to the whole Linux OS thing
22:59<sney>whatchoo need
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22:59<CCamando>Well was wondering on the main Debian site what is the difference between the 600MB DL and the 4.4GB
23:00<final_frontier>the apps that are included
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23:00<CCamando>Ah ok would yall recommend going ahead and DL the 4.4?
23:01<aredhel>CCamando, no, most of the time I use the ~100Meg net install disk.
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23:01<simNIX>I would ecomend the minimal iso, then pull what you want to add on from the Inet -
23:01<sney>yes, the netinst is a good idea if you have the bandwidth to spare
23:01<sney>since you're on fios it's clear that you do
23:01<CCamando>ok was just wondering about it.... ya :)
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23:02<solomon>my connection died
23:02<solomon>did anyone answer my question about --enable-static=yes ?
23:02<CCamando>Now for a first time user to Linux would you reccomend Debian or another OS until I learn the concepts? This should have been my first question.
23:03<sney>Debian's good enough if you can read
23:03<simNIX>I recomend Debian for starters
23:03<jrabbit>if you you know how to install it without breaking something debian's fine
23:03<sney>there are options that hold your hand more, but you learn less. it's a tradeoff
23:03<jrabbit>But if they need help help them install it
23:04<CCamando>Okey that works I thank all of you for your time....Have a great night....
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23:05<simNIX>... enjoy your 1st Linux - may have steap learning curve but once pastthat your rocking 4 ever
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23:10<anon__>linux executables at 4k >>
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23:25<anon__>duraperidol : ?
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23:26<R_YoYo_R>anyone use lenny on a laptop?
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23:26*duraperidol does
23:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>
23:27<R_YoYo_R>i have a problem on my lappy ... when it goes into suspend mode the wireless never comes back on resume. I gotta reboot
23:27<R_YoYo_R>any ideas
23:27<duraperidol>anon__: was interested about yer link . however many are careful about running just any execs
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23:29<anon__>R_YoYo_R : what is result of $iwconfig
23:29<enouf>R_YoYo_R: modprobe -r $(basename `readlink -f /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module/`)
23:30<R_YoYo_R>before or after suspend?
23:30<enouf>then modprobe the module after coming out of suspend
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23:31<henry_>how are you
23:31<henry_>need help about virtual box
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23:32<henry_>conect local network
23:32<R_YoYo_R>enouf, that command doesnt return anything
23:32<anon__>R_YoYo_R: or try to see that network driver is working or not: $lshw
23:32<henry_>between virtual machine and local
23:32<R_YoYo_R>i know what module it is
23:32<solomon>can i use dpkg to make a static userspace .deb installer?
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23:32<enouf>R_YoYo_R: basename `readlink -f /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module/` says?
23:33<enouf>R_YoYo_R: er .. replace your IFACE for eth0 there
23:33<enouf>R_YoYo_R: er .. replace your IFACE-name for eth0 there
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23:33<R_YoYo_R>im confused
23:33<R_YoYo_R>ath0 i think
23:33<R_YoYo_R>it would be
23:34<enouf>basename `readlink -f /sys/class/net/<IFACE-NAME>/device/driver/module/`
23:34<enouf>R_YoYo_R: basename `readlink -f /sys/class/net/ath0/device/driver/module/` says?
23:35<magyar>hi, is there an alsa configuration utility in sid?
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23:35<magyar>i have no sound in kde
23:35<anon__>magyar: try to install kmix
23:36<enouf>R_YoYo_R: acpi scripts should handle that properly ,, but let me guess, you're using a compiled wifi module
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23:36<enouf>s/compiled/self-compiled and installed/
23:36<magyar>anon__: it's installed, and also installed phonon
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23:37<chealer>solomon: what do you mean by "a static userspace .deb installer"?
23:37<solomon>i mean
23:37<anon__>magyar: what is the $dmesg result sound card seen correctly?
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23:37<chealer>solomon: no, nobody answered your question.
23:37<solomon>can i use dpkg to make a .deb file that installs to userspace and compiles statically
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23:38<ray_>enouf, that command broke the wireless
23:39<magyar>anon__: 09:00.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
23:39<ray_>modprobe ath_pci brought it back. is there a way to invoke that on resume?
23:40<magyar>snd_emu10k1 is loaded
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23:41<anon__>magyar: did you try oss?
23:42<anon__>instead of alsa
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23:42<magyar>anon__: nope, but my sound was working on same system just an hour ago on lenny, before i moved to sid
23:42<magyar>with alsa
23:43<magyar>i remember there used to be a alsaconfig kind of a tool before
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23:45<anon__>magyar: $alsamixer ?
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23:47<enouf>ray no it doesn't break anything
23:48<enouf>ray_ no it doesn't break anything ; modprobe <modulename> ; /etc/init.d/networking restart
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