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00:00<Hessophanes>Hm, I don't know the "modern" desktop environments, someone else should step in. I didn't know this was ultimately about gnome. ;) Might use fontconfig...
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00:00<bcw>i've gotta go. thanks for the help, Hessophanes and marga.
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00:06<wgsilkie>Is it a bad idea to use testing if I want newer software than what's in stable and I don't want to use Ubuntu?
00:07<drakeman>you can use testin!
00:07<drakeman>dont use ubuntu, use Debian Squeeze :D
00:07<wgsilkie>Is it much more stable than the name suggests?
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00:08<wgsilkie>I switched *from* Ubuntu :D
00:09<chealer>wgsilkie: how much do you know GNU/Linux?
00:09<wgsilkie>drakeman: thanks! gotta go.
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00:17<edgar>hello world
00:17<edgar>alguien q desee hablar
00:17<Br0k3n>ingresa al canal hispano
00:18<edgar>jajaja si
00:18<edgar>hablas español
00:18<Br0k3n>te respondi en Español
00:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:19<edgar>jajajaj ando en otro mundo xS
00:19<drakeman>jejej, vaya para debian-es
00:20<drakeman>ahora mismo te diran que solo ingles aqui
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00:20<edgar>entre para ver si me ayudan a instalar una life view 2000
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00:27<Arv3n>hi all.
00:27<Arv3n>im having trouble trying to get debian lenny to install on my dell inspiron 531. it says "unable to detect cdrom drive"
00:27<Arv3n>anyone have any ideas?
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00:29<Br0k3n>this device, is for usb port? is a extern device of CDROM ?
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00:29<Arv3n>it's just a regular sata dvd drive.
00:30<Br0k3n>the md5 of .iso its correct?
00:32<Arv3n>anyone else have any ideas?
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00:33<Arv3n>desperate here.
00:33<Br0k3n>maybe you can try whit squeeze
00:33<Arv3n>i cant.
00:33<Arv3n>no cds left, and i'd rather go with lenny.
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00:39<SAN>hi, i want to know the flow diagram of web browser to web server. is there any good documentation.
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00:40<diego>hello, I have a networking question
00:41<diego>lets say I have DNS A ... that delegates to B and then to C and then to D ... and so on
00:41<diego>how many times does debian follow before saying it could not resolve ?
00:41<diego>can I change that?
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00:46<Silicium01>Does Laptop loose battery charge when Hibernating vs Shutdown?
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00:52<dirakx>Silicium01: yes take a look at
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00:54<Arv3n>you guys aren't any help.
00:54<Arv3n>there's nothing on google, nothing on the bug tracker.
00:54<Arv3n>why am i the only one with this problem?
00:55<Arv3n>the only distro that gives me problems is debian.
00:55<dirakx>Arv3n: maybe nobody knows the answer ;).
00:55<Arv3n>that what the hell should i do?
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00:55<Arv3n>i can't file a bug report because you need to be on debian or use the mailing list.
00:55<Arv3n>and i've never used a mailing list in my life and i'm not willing to learn.
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00:56<Arv3n>i even tried an updated kernel, and it gives me a different issue.
00:56<Arv3n>Etch doesn't work either.
00:56<Arv3n>you would have thought that whoever was fucking up so bad would've stopped already.
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00:58<chaoticmass>Ack! Everytime I try to install something with APT it wants to upgrade 1000+ packages! I don't have hours to do that. How do I cancel whatever it's trying to upgrade? Running Etch.
00:59<chealer>Arv3n: please watch your language. if you have a problem, ask questions about it instead of complaining.
00:59<Arv3n>i already did.
01:00<Arv3n>i've been asking questions since lenny's release.
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01:00<Arv3n>i mean, it's like god specifically doesn't want me to run debian or something.
01:00<gsimmons>chaoticmass: Are you referencing "stable" or "etch" in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
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01:05<chaoticmass>gsimmons : ah, got a experimental main at the end
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01:05<chaoticmass>commenting that out, and then doing apt-update should do it now?
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01:08<chaoticmass>now it wants to upgrade 145 packages, better but...
01:08<chaoticmass>can I get it to stop trying to upgrade everything?
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01:15<chealer>chaoticmass: example?
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01:18<chaoticmass>I think I started to upgrade from etch to lenny and then it got canceled half way.
01:19<chaoticmass>Everything works fine now, it's still etch-- it never got past downloading packages I think. Anyway, I just want to cancel the upgrade now but everytime I try to do something with apt it will want to finish the upgrade
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01:30<drakeman>good night!
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01:35<SAN>any document related to know the flow of http request from browser to web server
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01:36<SAN>please guide me
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01:38<jm_>flow? browser connects to the right port and sends a request, server sends a response
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01:41<SAN>yes jm_, but i want to know abt the detailed flow chart of http request from browser to web server.
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01:44<jm_>SAN: that's it, there are no more details
01:48<SAN>ok jm_, thank u
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02:32<MSI>I have a question, is it possible to install Debain to a 8GB flash drive or any size flash drive for that matter?
02:33<peej>MSI: google it
02:34<MSI>all I needed to know thank you jm_, peej I went direct to the Debian wiki and found nothing in it about installation to usb drive
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02:35<jm_>it would probably make more sense to use debian live though
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02:48<tracy>who can teach me in chinese in x chat
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03:14<abcdef>hi to all i am getting error while running command cfgmaker ...SNMPWALK Problem for on public@
03:14<abcdef>WARNING: Skipping public@ as no info could be retrieved
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03:15<abcdef>SNMP Error:
03:15<abcdef>no response received
03:15<jm_>you need to allow access to the "public" tree - it's disabled by default
03:16<abcdef>jm_ you mean in snmpd.conf ..that i have done..
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03:16<jm_>abcdef: yes - you either haven't restarted snmpd or you have done it incorrectly
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03:17<abcdef>jm_ i have reffered debianhelp..\
03:18<jm_>abcdef: what is debianhelp?
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03:20<jm_>abcdef: what exactly did you change?
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03:20<abcdef>jm_ com2sec readonly default public
03:20<abcdef>com2sec local localhost public
03:20<abcdef>com2sec localNet public
03:20<abcdef>i have added these lines
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03:22<jm_>abcdef: ahh you use 192.168.x.y - it listens on localhost only by default
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03:24<jm_>and that change described on is not enough to expose entire tree IIRC
03:25<abcdef>jm_so what should be written to run snmpd on
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03:25<jm_>abcdef: edit /etc/default/snmpd.conf
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03:30<kingsley>Is apache2 better than apache?
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03:35<chealer>kingsley: ask #apache
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03:47<GuHHH>i need some help, i got a broken system and i want to reinstall it, but not format the partition... but i always get some errors...
03:48<Br0k3n>what's the error ?
03:48<GuHHH>now im chrooting the system and trying to use apt but i cant get ifconfig/if to run, i get this message: bash: /sbin/ifconfig: Accessing a corrupted shared library
03:48<GuHHH>to be sincere, it happens with almost any bin that i try to run
03:49<jm_>use debsums
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03:49<GuHHH>tried to install bash again but get a error too
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03:49<GuHHH>jm_: sorry for the ignorance but what is it?
03:49<dpkg>from memory, debsums is a package that will check a package's files against theirir checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to check config files.
03:50<GuHHH>well, it seems i dont got it heh
03:50<GuHHH>and i cant use apt also :(
03:50<jm_>in that case boot with a rescue medium that has md5sum on it and verify them manually
03:51<GuHHH>i know my system is almos all corrupted, but i just want to run an install above it... but i always get an error when trying to install debconf because of python2.4 that isnt installed
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03:52<GuHHH>dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1 ||||| dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... |||| /var/lib/dpkg/ line 4: /usr/bin/update-menus: Accessing a corrupted shared library
03:52<dpkg>You are moron #1, GuHHH
03:52<jm_>there's probably a reason why it's corrupted, you need to fix that first
03:53<GuHHH>i get that when trying to install python...
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03:54<GuHHH>well, im away from the linux scene for some years, so im a little lost... dont know exactly what to do and how to do whatever i have to do... i tried fsck but it says its okay
03:54<GuHHH>so... i dont know where else to go
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03:57<jm_>run badblocks, check your memory
03:58<usuario>this server is in english?
03:58<usuario>what bots have you got here?
03:58<GuHHH>jm_: is there any tool to check badblocks from linux?
03:58<jm_>GuHHH: surprisingly it's called badblocks
03:59<GuHHH>shouldve guessed
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03:59<jm_>boto from a CD like grml - it has that, not sure about memtest, but that's easy to find too
03:59<GuHHH>yeah, i have it
04:00<GuHHH>im running badblock right now, lets see what i got
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04:18<deadcat>can autofs5 work with luks?
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04:27<GuHHH>jm_: hey
04:27<GuHHH>jm_: is there any option on badblocks to recover it?
04:27<infinum>на русском языке языке куда перейти?
04:27<GuHHH>yeah, agreed
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04:28<jm_>GuHHH: recover what?
04:28<GuHHH>no, i think no one speaks russian
04:28<GuHHH>jm_: the badblocks
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04:30<prahal>Guest1081: no the badblocks are lost (hardware fails before anything could be done ... atasmart may help prevent that by telling it will happen). The hardware automatically mark badblocks and assign new from free bank if any is left . SO when you see badblcoks it is not the first one. You want ddrescue to recover as much as you can
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04:32<infinum>hai. Wo russkii?
04:32<tuxcrafter>hello everybody, how can I what packages depend on packageX
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04:34<prahal>tuxcrafter: using aptitude to wlakthrough dependencies or apt-cache depends <package> / apt-cache rdepends <package>
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04:34<GuHHH>prahal: thanks :D
04:35<tuxcrafter>prahal: thanks
04:36<prahal>Guest1081: the best courcse of action is to make an image od the partition and make the other recover operation on the image file via qemu or virtualbox
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04:37<prahal>because if the hardware is dying more badblocks will appears very fast . Making an image of the partition or disk let you have as much is possible right now and then be in a safe place for the remaining rescue stages
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05:10<snogglethorpe>mm what package can I install to make java applets work in iceweasel?
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05:11<themill>!install java
05:11<dpkg>For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java-6-jre. Also ask me about <install java etch>.
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05:17<m2rt>HAHA I asked dpkg: install java lenny and it responded: are you smoking crack?, m2rt Seems that it is impossible to install java on lenny :P
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05:26<RichiH>is there a way to get the current and total transmission data out of nc?
05:28<jm_>RichiH: like nc -vv?
05:29<jm_>ahh no, that only reports it at the end
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05:47<shiznatix>Hello. I am looking for a all-in-one development environment that integrates well with subversion and php files. I have been trying eclipse with massive problems and was hopeful that there was something else
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05:48<themill>shiznatix: kdevelop does all that nicely
05:49<shiznatix>themill, is there a gnome alternative?
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05:50<themill>shiznatix: nfc. monodevelop is as close as it gets, I think. Don't know how much it knows about php
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05:50<locklace>shiznatix: emacs
05:50<wooj>hmm, I just did an apt-get update and got "W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch" - should I be concerned?
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05:51<serge_sans_paille>I have just installed a sid on my new HP Elitebook 8730w, everythiong works nice but ...
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05:51<serge_sans_paille>the volume control doesn't seem to work
05:51<serge_sans_paille>neither xev nor showkey react
05:51<serge_sans_paille>any guess ?
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05:53<locklace>serge_sans_paille: you're probably missing some kernel driver/acpi support
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05:55<benjamin>Hi, how can I close my firefox with command line ? I need to close it the proper way to not have this message :"Your last Iceweasel session closed unexpectedly"
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05:59<jm_>benjamin: I don't think it has support for this
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06:00<locklace>benjamin: probably something like "iceweasel -remote quit()" but the quit() might not be the right name
06:00<jm_>source code doesn't mention quit :)
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06:00<locklace>well if it can open tabs it should bloody well be able to close them ;)
06:02<locklace>otherwise, maybe there's some x utility that lets you stuff an event into a window's input buffer
06:03<jm_>yeah several such tools for X test extension
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06:05<benjamin>well that's not easy... I thought I just had to find the appropriate kill signal
06:05<benjamin> => "List of commands that seem to work" ...
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06:11<Nemoder>benjamin: if it is just the error you are trying to avoid you could edit/remove the sessionstore.js file in the user dir after killing the process. but I suppose if you are trying to save the current session that's not helpful
06:12<jm_>it saves that on SIGTERM
06:13<benjamin>Nemoder, that is exactly what I need :) thanks :)
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06:44<shiznatix>is there any alternative to kdevelop for gnome?
06:45<SlimeyPete>anjuta, I think
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07:18<cmot>Anybody with "sane" experience here?
07:18<cmot>How do I make a network scanner show up in "scanimage -L"?
07:19<cmot>(scanimage by specifying the device directly works: "scanimage hpaio:/net/HP_Color_LaserJet_2840?ip=")
07:20<cmot>I ask because various frontends don't allow to specify the device string but expect the scanner to be listed in "scanimage -L" output.
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07:21<bzed>cmot: so you want to scan all networks to find a scanner?
07:21<bzed>that wan't work
07:21<cmot>bzed, no, I know where my scanner is. I want to use it in quiteinsane or similar.
07:22<cmot>quiteinsane reports that it didn't find a scanner and doesn't allow me to specify the device string directly.
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07:25<cmot>isn't there a configuration file where I define a local abbrev for this hpaio:...?ip=...
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07:29<m2rt>how can I find out my current audio device/driver?
07:29<petemc>lsmodgrep snd , perhaps
07:29<petemc>hwinfo may also tell you what device is using which driver
07:31<jm_>m2rt: cat /proc/asound/cards
07:32<jm_>also ls -l /sys/class/sound/card*/device/driver
07:33<m2rt>No such file or directory. thats for the second command.
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07:33<m2rt>first command shows that: 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xf8400000 irq 22
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07:36<jm_>right, must be older kernel without /sys sound tree or somesuch
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07:39<m2rt>sad, I want to enable sound in virtual box...
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07:43<shamanix>I'm having a problem playing games under wine, this does not happen with every game, but it is rather annoying when it does, the problem is while mouse works, the keyboard doesn't inside the game, somehow the keyboard still types inside Krusader, xterm, or whatever I have opened at the time.
07:45<quitte_>i'm trying to preseed the locales package so that after a dpkg-reconfigure it will generate de_DE.UTF8 and make it the default locale.
07:45<quitte_>the part where it generates the locales works fine. but it always ignores what i set as the default.
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07:47<Nemoder>shamanix: I've had similar issues with xfce, sometimes I can fix it by toggling fullscreen (alt-f9) a couple times
07:48<Nemoder>or just running the app in a virtual desktop
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07:50<shamanix>haven't tried running the app in a virtual desktop
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07:52<shamanix>if the game starts in full screen, I'm 99.99% busted, and have to restart my box, thats how badly wine ignores my input
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07:53<simNIX>quitte, I use in preseed file d-i debian-installer/locale string nl_NL and I give to kernel at boot debian-installer/locale=nl_NL debian-installer/country=NL console-setup/layoutcode=us
07:53<simNIX>that works for me for Dutch
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07:59<quitte>simNIX: yes. it works when using d-i. but it doesn't work for a debootstrapped chroot
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08:43<Anatolia>hey guys, how can I go about installing xfce? what command should I use?
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08:44<gsimmons>!install xfce
08:44<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options; Etch: Supply the tasks=xfce-desktop boot parameter.
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08:44<francis>i can't mount ntfs drives in debian 5 who can help!!!!!!
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08:46<jm_>francis: why not?
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08:48<francis>when i root-mode all OK but my user can not access windows file
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08:51<jm_>yeah you just need the right mount options and users will be able to read it
08:52<francis>Please send me your /etc/fstab file
08:52<jm_>uhm no, just add relevant uid/gid/umask mount options
08:53<francis>in fstab file yeah???
08:53<jm_>yes, you can add it there if that's how it's mounted
08:53<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
08:54<jm_>that's an example
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08:54<francis>thank's thank's
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09:47<Br4z3r>Hi, I have a problem with my sound on debian lenny how can I check is the oss modules loaded and if they are how to remove them
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09:49<locklace>Br4z3r: lsmod
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09:50<arw>Br4z3r: modprobe to add and remove kernel's modules
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09:50<Br4z3r>that's the output of the lsmod
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09:52<arw>Br4z3r: do you know sound card type?
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09:53<Br4z3r>arw, alsaconf says that I have the choice from hda-intel Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller │ │
09:53<Br4z3r> │ │ legacy Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) chips
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10:04<debam>hi to all, i like to know about how gnome-volume-manger gets info abouot new device is connected or disconnected
10:05<valdyn>debam: dbus
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10:05<valdyn>debam: dbus talks to hal and hal to the kernel, maybe via sysfs
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10:06<adema>need some help with python/pam/mysql
10:06<adema>i dunno where to ask^^
10:06<valdyn>!they don't know
10:06<dpkg>Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.
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10:07<adema>well, it could be a debian related problem
10:07<adema>but nevermind
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10:08<debam>valdyn, thanks but if i want to know in my application that new device is connected ..using c how it can be catched? any API or event catching mechanism? it can be
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10:09<bremner>adema: you can always try a specific question
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10:10<adema>i get this message in the auth.log :
10:10<adema>May 11 16:01:23 ks361709 python: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/ /lib/security/ undefined symbol: pam_get_item
10:10<adema>May 11 16:01:23 ks361709 python: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/
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10:10<valdyn>debam: you need to use libdbus-glib-1-2
10:10<zfe>hey folks
10:10<adema>it's probably not a debian related problem
10:10<adema>but wtf, i use pam_mysql without python everyday with no problem
10:10<valdyn>debam: thats for C, theres python, qt and java bindings too, at least
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10:11<valdyn>debam: or libdbus-glib-1-dev actually
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10:11<zfe>what's going on?
10:11<debam>valdyn, i am trying to understand from gnome-volume-manager there any link or tutorial for this?
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10:12<valdyn>debam: its source code
10:13<valdyn>debam: im not sure why you would wnat to learn the dbus api from g-v-m though, theres probably better examples
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10:13<debam>valdyn, i am developing a application in which it has to start once device connected.
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10:15<debam>valdyn, if a usb biometrik device connected to system then my application want to run automatically.i
10:15<bremner>adema: start with
10:16<debam>i dont want to give work for user do any thing with manually
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10:16<valdyn>debam: im not going to read the api for you
10:16<valdyn>debam: beside that its offtopic
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10:17<valdyn>debam: im sure its either documented in the headers or somewhere else on google
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10:18<debam>valdyn, thanks.
10:18<arw>some knows if debian has a official report about the kenerl's partches made it by debian?
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10:24<bremner>arw: aptitude changelog linux-tree-2.6.26
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10:25<bremner>or 2.6.29, or what have you
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10:26<arw>bremner: thank you
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10:36<adema>bremner, thx you, i tried something per aps it will work
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10:54<crazypenguin>is anybody here?
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10:59<crazypenguin>I can't find the .pidgin directory in my user directory,or it has other name?
11:01<llutz>crazypenguin: try ~/.purple
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11:03<jes-o-ma1>I'd like to do some load analysis. There's a box that always has a load peak at around 10:30. I have installed sysstat and configured sar to be enabled via cronjob.
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11:04<jes-o-ma1>how can I now examine which process has generated that specific load?
11:04<petemc>i dont know about sar, but if you look in top and see processes in D state, its probably that
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11:05<jes-o-ma1>petemc: the problem is always when I look at top the system is already in recovering phase - the load is not exactly at the same time
11:05<jes-o-ma1>so I need some measurement tool where I can analyse the past :)
11:06<petemc>fair enough, i cant be of any help then
11:06<jes-o-ma1>thnx anyhow
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11:51<rjent>Greetings, I am wanting to do a backup to nfs and I have root_squash enabled on the export but it appears I have to have perms on the folder of 777 on the export folder to be able to send data over as root. This does not seem so secure. Could someone share with me a _better_ way?
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11:58<Azhrarn>rjent: If you enable root_squash, then root doesn't have a user. Either set no_root_squash and secure nfs with iptables, or create and actual user to use for your data if you're uncomfortable with global write
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11:59<Azhrarn>s/and actual/an actual/
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12:05<Oyashiro>is tfere any windows chanel here ?
12:06<rjent>Azhrarn: thanks and people tell me that no_root_squash is not secure, but I am a bit confused why?
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12:07<EmleyMoor>What are good current market laptops for use with Debian that have optical drives?
12:08<commander>what a good antivirus for ubuntu
12:08<petemc>dell laptops work, as do lenovo
12:08<petemc>commander: #ubuntu on freenode
12:09<dr|z3d>commander: clamav or now avg do av. and what petemc.
12:09<EmleyMoor>petemc: Lenovo tend to be expensive... as for Dell, I haven't read any encouraging reports about the modern ones...
12:10<EmleyMoor>Still, I have until either September or the day I have to surrender my current work laptop to fitd out for sure
12:10<petemc>i organised a lenovo laptop from for a friend last week, wasnt expensive
12:10<Azhrarn>rjent: no_root_squash means a person authenticated as root on an NFS client gets root file access to your nfs export
12:10<Azhrarn>so, I imagine you can see the implied security
12:10<Azhrarn>if your
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12:10<Azhrarn>if you're able to control your client access and secure the network, then you should be fine
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12:11<Azhrarn>or, of course, use something like adding a special nfs admin user
12:11<Azhrarn>which will have root level access anyway
12:11<Azhrarn>or maybe extended attributes, but I'm not sure how well that is supported currently
12:11<rjent>Azhrarn: ok. I will share to only given ip addresses
12:12<quitte>or use nfs4 which actually has security
12:12<rjent>Azhrarn: I have considered ssh+rsync
12:12<Azhrarn>I wasn't sure if v4 was considered release quality yet
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12:12<Azhrarn>rsync is effective if your data isn't time sensitive
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12:13<rjent>not so much. It is what I would use to sync to nfs share anyhow, just mounted on the local system.
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12:13<rjent>so should I forgo the nfs and just use straight rsync+ssh?
12:14<Azhrarn>well, it realyl depends on how much you need clients to be able to modify the shares directly. If rsync will do it for you, that is probably the more secure option
12:14<Azhrarn>if a bit slower
12:14<rjent>Ok I will test out
12:14<Azhrarn>if you only use nfs internally, then no_root_squash should be fine
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12:14<Azhrarn>no problem
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12:30<fretless>rjent, you might want to look at sshfs
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12:40<rjent>fretless: ok thanks
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12:47<RichiH>is there a way to display a ssl pirvate key's details (especially the corresponding pubkey) so i can match against openssl x509 -noout -fingerprint -text from the cert?
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12:53<monoglets>I have a problem with joystick analog usb ; I'm running Debian lenny and he not recognize the joystick... i try to make modules but not worked
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13:10<gbis>est ce que quelqu'un pourrait me donner des conseils pour parramétrer un serveur debian
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13:17<bachelor>hallo @all. sricht hier einer deutsch? Woran merkt man ob jemand meinen LinuxDesktop-Pc gehackt hat? frage deshalb, weil die Tastaur irgendwann anfängt zu blinken und ich nichts mehr damit machen kann
13:18<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:19<bachelor>dpkg: thanks! danke;-)
13:19<dpkg>pas de quoi, bachelor
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13:21<gbis_>pourrai je avoir un petit coup de main pour une config serveur
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13:22<ottoshmidt>is it possible to upgrade to debian unstable from stable? without boot CD
13:22<jthomas>Good day. I have an Etch setup that we need to upgrade the OpenSSH-server to the Lenny version, and whatever comes along with that for deps. But I am getting errors that the libc6 isn't owned by dpkg and therefor cannot be upgraded. More info here but it seems very wrong since I am pretty sure no one would have installed that package outside of the package manager for no reason
13:23<ml|>ottoshmidt: yes, but why
13:23<ottoshmidt>ml|, on stable softs are too old
13:23<ml|>ottoshmidt: why not move to testing
13:24<jthomas>ottoshmidt add the unstable repos to /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-get update ; apt-get install apt dpkg ; then apt-get dist-upgrade . Same instructions for Testing as well.
13:24<ottoshmidt>ml|, reinstall with image CD?
13:24<ml|>ottoshmidt: no need
13:25<ml|>ottoshmidt: or testing
13:25<ottoshmidt>ml|, yes testing
13:26<ml|>ottoshmidt: better to use aptitude instead of apt-get
13:26<ml|>!tell ottoshmidt -about testing
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13:26<ml|>!tell ottoshmidt -about unstable
13:27<ml|>!tell ottoshmidt -about why aptitude
13:27<ml|>!tell ottoshmidt about lenny->squeeze
13:27<gbis_>quelqu'un pour un coup de main??
13:28<gbis_>si possible en francias
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13:29<ml|>ottoshmidt: read msg from dpkg
13:29<ottoshmidt>I read
13:29<jthomas>i've heard (and experienced) that aptitude doesn't work so hot in Sid
13:30<llutz>only if you mixed use with apt-get
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13:30<bremner>jthomas: well, perhaps sid is a mess. It happens from time to time
13:30<ml|>jthomas: oh, never had a problem here
13:30<themill>jthomas: its interactive resolver was developed precisely for use in sticky situations like in sid. It's when you have strange pinning as well that it struggles
13:30<gravity>aptitude works great in sid for me
13:31<llutz>here too
13:31<ml|>yes not a good idea to mix apt-get and aptitude
13:31<bremner>jthomas: we collectively deny your experience :-)
13:31<jthomas>fine with me :)
13:31<ottoshmidt>ml|, where are repos for testing
13:31<jthomas>but then why do sidux people refuse to help with aptitude ?
13:31<themill>ml|, llutz: forbid-version and hold are the only two things that don't cooperate fully between aptitude and sid. There's no issues there.
13:31<gravity>Why do sidux people refuse to use debian?
13:31<jthomas>ottoshmidt same as for all other repos, just change 'stable' or 'lenny' to the word 'testing'
13:32<jthomas>gravity not really sure :)
13:32<ml|>ottoshmidt: read the msg from dpkg will explain it all
13:32<gravity>jthomas: Well, fuck 'em either way
13:32<llutz>gravity: historical reasons and FUD
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13:32<jthomas>we get it gbis
13:33<ml|>i should mention tho i'm on testing
13:33<jthomas>Good day. I have an Etch setup that we need to upgrade the OpenSSH-server to the Lenny version, and whatever comes along with that for deps. But I am getting errors that the libc6 isn't owned by dpkg and therefor cannot be upgraded. More info here but it seems very wrong since I am pretty sure no one would have installed that package outside of the package manager for no reason. Can anyone shed light?
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13:36<themill>jthomas: this is going to go badly. Don't do it. (a) why do you need openssh from lenny? (b) why don't you want to upgrade the entire box to lenny?
13:36<jthomas>sorry I should have googled the error message, got some info here
13:36<jthomas>we need OpenSSH-server v5.x for ssh jailing, and its a webserver with many sites that have specific versioning requirements
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13:38<themill>jthomas: your etch installation isn't even up to date there... But mixing oldstable and stable is going to be a train wreck. Don't do it. You could try recompiling openssh for etch, but I wouldn't hold out much hope that it will work. /msg dpkg ssb
13:39<chealer>jthomas: did you check ?
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13:43<ottoshmidt>ml|, did I get it right that I should change all "lenny" with "s/lenny/squeeze/" in sources.list/
13:44<ml|>ottoshmidt: yes
13:44<jthomas>chealer that bug report says that they fixed it, which doesn't seem to be the case...
13:44*themill sings the iyhtays song again
13:45<ml|>ottoshmidt: then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
13:45<jthomas>i'd update, then install apt dpkg, then do the full upgrade
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13:46<jthomas>rather, aptitude update, the aptitude install aptitude apt dpkg, then aptitude full-upgrade
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13:49<ottoshmidt>jthomas, ?
13:49<jthomas>the term 's/lenny/squeeze' is a command
13:49<jthomas>you just want those lines to have the word 'squeeze'
13:49<themill>ottoshmidt: why are you trying to move away from stable?
13:49<ottoshmidt>themill, to testing
13:50<jthomas>and there needs to be a space after squeeze before the updates or whatever, and no slash in that lst part after the initial URL
13:50<ottoshmidt>themill, for the newer packages
13:50<jthomas>i mean, no slash in the LAST part after the iitial URL
13:50<themill>ottoshmidt: such as?
13:50<jthomas>sid has KDE4, thats reason enough :)
13:51<themill>jthomas: you're not helping
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13:51<ottoshmidt>themill, dunno,
13:51<ottoshmidt>themill, I know about backports but it takes time to update all the time manuallt
13:52<themill>ottoshmidt: right... so since lenny has only just been released and it has a pretty up-to-date set of packages, why don't you stick with lenny (stable) for a while until you have some confidence with debian and are able to look things up yourself.
13:52<themill>ottoshmidt: there's also which has a lot of backports on it that you can just grab with no hassles.
13:52<ottoshmidt>I m on debian a couple of months already
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13:54<ottoshmidt>ok last quest before Upgrade
13:55<ottoshmidt>on testing versions are the last versions of softs like, pidgin, xchat, samba available in synaptic, or will I have to look them up in backports anyway?
13:55<ottoshmidt>or I will have to...
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13:57<ml|>ottoshmidt: if you want the lastest software use unstable, testing is middle ground between unstable and stable
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13:58*bremner believes you shouldn't use unstable if you have to ask how
13:58<cahoot>ml|: recommending unstable isn't really considered comme il faut
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13:58<ottoshmidt>ml|, is it extremely unstable, like can it break down or somethin?
13:59<themill>ottoshmidt: I'm so pleased that ml| and jthomas have volunteered to be your personal mentors 24 h per day, 7 days per week to solve problems for you. You're lucky.
13:59<ml|>themill: lol
13:59<themill>I'm not joking.
14:00<ml|>cahoot: I was not recommending just answering his question
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14:00<ottoshmidt>themill, I really appreciate that, on my turn I help many people on Openoffice channel, thus in the stuff I am aware of
14:01<ml|>ottoshmidt: things can go bad with unstable
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14:01<ml|>ottoshmidt: you call also use backports like themill suggested
14:01<ml|>and stay with stable
14:01<ottoshmidt>ml|, but ubuntu is based on unstable lol?
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14:02<chealer>jthomas: they fixed it, but the problematic must have been installed before the fix.
14:02<ml|>ottoshmidt: it's up to you to decide
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14:02<chealer>s/problematic/problematic machine/Q
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14:03<ottoshmidt>ml|, ok ok anyway I am going to use this at work so I need to be more safe, so stay at stable
14:03<chealer>ottoshmidt: testing has the current version of some software, and an older version of other software, like any distribution
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14:03<ml|>ottoshmidt: yes stay with stable
14:03<ottoshmidt>thanks to all
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14:03<ml|>ottoshmidt: revert your sources.list
14:04<SARC>Anybody have a good suggestion on what to use to silence the debian grub and insert a custom boot splash?
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14:05<ottoshmidt>ml|, will do
14:05*ottoshmidt still can't get the themill's un-altruistic point
14:05<jthomas>chealer, that makes sense, thanks
14:05<jthomas>SARC look into Splashy
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14:07<jthomas>ottoshmidt ubuntu is based on unstable but then they make it worse. i've been running unstable for a while and have very few issuese if any, but that isn't an endorsement necessarily for unstable. testing is likely much better.
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14:16<ottoshmidt>in instructions it is said that backports are deactivated by default.. and is it possible to activate them ?
14:17<ml|>!tell ottoshmidt -about backports
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14:24<fanto666>Hello, how to provide kernel version to module-assistant? It complains 'bad kernel version'
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14:25<cahoot>fanto666: built your own kernel?
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14:25<fanto666>root@fhome# m-a -k /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 a-i qc-usb
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14:25<fanto666>tried without /usr/src/ even w/o linux-headers- but always
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14:25<cahoot>fanto666: m-a prepare doesn't help?
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14:26<pkt>what is the proper debian way to remap capslock -> esc in console?
14:26<pkt>should I put the loadkeys statement in rc.local or something?
14:29<SARC>is there an easy way to determine my boot image?
14:29<locklace>pkt: edit /etc/console-tools/remap?
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14:30<pkt>yes, this was the solution I was looking for :) Thanks locklace :)
14:30<locklace>SARC: uname -r is reliable
14:30<ml|>locklace: for some reason that doesn't work for me
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14:31<locklace>ml|: bug! bug!
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14:32<ml|>locklace: isn't this right...
14:32<ml|># This turns caps lock into control
14:32<ml|>s/keycode 58 = Caps_Lock/keycode 58 = Control/;
14:32<chealer>fanto666: -l
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14:32<SARC>anyone familiar with splashy, it just keeps asking me for the boot image? i type 2.6.26-2-amd64
14:33<fanto666>chealer: menu
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14:34<fanto666>chealer: aha... seems to work
14:34<locklace>ml|: i've never tried to use it
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14:39<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:41<EmleyMoor>Is there a good howto on running a mailing list server?
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14:42<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider reading the <APT HOWTO>, as this exposes to unstable packages. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution, or <IYHTAYS>
14:43<chealer>themill: does the IYHTAYS come from you?
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14:44<locklace>you can't get rid of us that easily
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14:55<chealer>dpkg: no, testing/unstable mix is <reply>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
14:55<dpkg>okay, chealer
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14:56<Seattle_Mike>Lenny NFS server, Everything OK EXCEPT client can not see drives mounted by the server ...what am I missing?
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14:58<locklace>a correct exports configuration?
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14:58<Seattle_Mike>Yes I believe so....
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14:59<Seattle_Mike>locklace I basically export "/" and "var/nfs"
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15:00<Seattle_Mike>locklace: Here is one line: /var/nfs,rw,no_root_squash)
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15:04<gnufan>Seattle_Mike: Lenny client?
15:04<Seattle_Mike>gnufan: yes among others --- (easypeasy Ubuntu on my netbook)
15:05<Seattle_Mike>gnufan: client sess everything an can write to real directories ...just can't see contents of mounted
15:05<gnufan>Seattle_Mike: I'd expect an exports entry per mounted filesystem unless using something clever. Give example of something not seen - mount point export etc
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15:06<gnufan>Seattle_Mike: as long as the client isn't macOS X -- that was all the first question was to check ;)
15:06<Seattle_Mike>gnufan - I did have exports for all mounts but read not necessary needed for directories below
15:07<Seattle_Mike>gnufan - No macs, I got the same behaviour when I had mounts for all the directories.
15:07<Seattle_Mike>gnufan - I
15:07<Seattle_Mike>gnufan: I'm thinking it might to do with ownership and/or uuid on the server?
15:08<gnufan>"but read not necessary needed for directories below " complete this sentence please....
15:09<Seattle_Mike>gnufan: but read not necessary but ok and so it write. I had this working AOK on Etch server.
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15:11<Seattle_Mike>example: fstab mount /dev/sdb9 jfs /photo, exports: /photo,rw,no_root_squash)
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15:15<gnufan>Seattle_Mike: I think the filesystem boundary behaviour defers between kernel and user space NFS... being an old school Unix person I'm use to forcing each file system to be exported. Also when you say "mounted on server" I assume you mean a local filesystem on a different volume, not a remote mount?
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15:17<Seattle_Mike>gnufan .. I used to user-server also but I'm no using kernel server. HOWEVER I get the same results no mounteds on both kernel server and user-server.
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15:18<Seattle_Mike>gnufan: The files exported is what I used to use also. mounted on server means same volume different partition.
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15:19<Seattle_Mike>gnfan: I am serving photo, music, radioprograms, and other stuff on mostly jfs partitions. Some are ext3.
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15:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask a few hours later or ask, or <htasq>
15:21<dpkg>it has been said that time is found on, or 2009.05.11 19:21:28, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see
15:21<dpkg>hmm... rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.
15:21<gnufan>Seattle_Mike: I'd got with making sure exportfs and mount are done verbosely, and watching from the client with "showmount -e server" -- I'm sure it will be apparently soon enough what is wrong.
15:22<lolsxd>so.........where is everyone?
15:22<dkr>waiting for you to read and follow the advice in those rules you just listed
15:22<dpkg>[rules] 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.
15:22<Seattle_Mike>gnufan: I think I've tried that but I can do it right now again.
15:23<lolsxd>how do i USB stream on ubuntu?
15:23<locklace>!tell lolsxd about ubuntu
15:24<lolsxd>i really want to stream (USB) on ubuntu
15:24<lolsxd>via USB
15:24<quitte> /window 5
15:25<ml|>lolsxd: go to #ubuntu on freenode
15:25<locklace>lolsxd: as trolls go, you're singularly boring
15:25<lolsxd>i got my camera pluged in, and it does USB stream!, i just dont know how
15:26<lolsxd>i even payed 400$ on a audio and video system
15:26<lolsxd>now, i cant even stream :(
15:26<gnufan>Ralf the chess computer forum troll -- he was interesting - certifiable (literally) but he was never boring except when got to calling the author of Crafty a Nazi - that got a tad repetitive.
15:27<Seattle_Mike>gnufan: showmount -e server-ip address doesn't so anything but my client nfs mount of "/" looks as always.
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15:27<lolsxd>kick lolsxd 15
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15:29<kingsley>How would you list all installed packages that depend on a certain package?
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15:30<locklace>kingsley: apt-cache rdepends mypackage
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15:31<Seattle_Mike>gnufan: Thanks for the help ... still not working but I've got other fish to fry!
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15:32<ml|>kingsley: also in aptitude search for the package and press i until you see what you are looking for
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15:34<kingsley>locklace: I may owe you an apology for not mentioning that I'd like a list of only packages that are installed. It seems to me that "apt-cache rdepends mypackage" also returns the names of uninstalled packages.
15:34*kingsley needs to leave soon...
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15:35<kingsley>It seems to me that "apt-rdepends -p -r <certain-package-name> | egrep -v NotInstalled | grep Installed" lists only the installed packages that depend on the certain package, but I suspect there's a more concise command.
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15:38<chealer>kingsley: grep-status -F Depends certain package
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15:40<SARC>is there anyway in grub to set kopts to silent instead of just quiet? it seems like silent goes verbose
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15:40<pc2>anybody can help me ?
15:40<epifanio>hi All
15:41<pc2>I need help
15:41<pc2>who can help me ?
15:41<action09>pc2 don't ask who can help....
15:41<action09>pc2 expose your problem.
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15:42<pc2>How do I install_flash_player_10_linux in linux ?
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15:44<deadcat>can i setup autofs5 with luks?
15:44<epifanio>i'm tring to get the bluethout working, but hcitoll dev give me : no device found, please can you help me ?
15:44<ml|>!tell pc2 about adobe flash
15:45<action09>ml| tis bot is really efficient ;)
15:45<ml|>!tell pc2 about flash
15:45<pc2>I want to install that file in linux
15:45<ml|>dpkg: rocks
15:45<dpkg>Yer damned right...
15:45<pc2>how do i do it ?
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15:46<ml|>pc2: read msg fromdp
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15:46<ml|>* dpkg
15:46<pc2>dpkg ???
15:46<dpkg>i haven't a clue, pc2
15:47<ml|>in your irc client window or tab named dpkg
15:47<pc2>how do i get there ?
15:47<locklace>hold on a moment while we read your mind
15:47<pc2>Good Luck
15:48<ml|>in your irc client window or tab named dpkg
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15:48<pc2>where is irc client window???
15:48<locklace>unfortunately, all these pages are blank
15:48<ml|>lol, how did you get here
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15:49<ml|>light bulb went off !
15:49<pc2>I got here through Application
15:49<locklace>i think it's more of a candle in this case
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15:49<ml|>locklace: lol
15:50<pc2>Xchat irc
15:50<ml|>in your irc client [x-chat] window or tab named dpkg
15:51<ml|>oki was premature in my earlier light bulb statement ;)
15:51<pc2>but How do install this file: Install_flash_player_10.linux ???
15:51<SARC>is there anyway in grub to set kopts to silent instead of just quiet? it seems like silent goes verbose
15:51<ml|>pc2: are you on debian
15:51<ml|>pc2: you don't
15:52<ml|>pc2: read msg from dpkg
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15:52<pc2>yes, I am on debian
15:52<epifanio>i'm on a macbook pro 15'' 2,2 with 2.6.29-3.slh.1-sidux-amd64, any clue on how to get-up the bluethout device ?
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15:52<ml|>this is painful
15:52<pc2>I need help in xubunut
15:52<ml|>!tell pc2 about xubuntu
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15:55<pc2>How do i install the file: install_flash_player_10_linux ???
15:55<pc2>in xubuntu ?
15:55<deadcat>pc2: go ask in xubuntu
15:55<pc2> Thanks
15:56<deadcat>does autofs5 works with luks?
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16:07<ga_bash>how can a cat who is dead can talk..
16:07<edranom>what would keep kdm from restarting when a user logs out of kde?
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16:10<PaulR_><-- total newcomer to Debian. Is anyone familiar with LXDE please... I changed the appearance and can't seem to change it back. Trivial but annoying! :D
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16:15<chealer>edranom: shouldn't you ask why kdm would restart when a user logs out of KDE?
16:15<jackyf>PaulR_: I didn't used it, but maybe delete/move ~/.lxde or like that?
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16:16<PaulR_>Using Lenny on an Asus Eeeepc, standard install. Did Menu->Settings->Appearance and changed icon set on 'Icon' tab from "gnome" to "nuoveXT2"
16:16<MakuzoBR>Helo, guys
16:17<edranom>ok, the problem is when a user logs out the screen goes black and I have to ssh in and kill kdm and then restart it
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16:17<PaulR_>thanks jackyf. I haven't done anything except change the theme/icons. Each time I apply the new settings they aren't 'remembered'!
16:18<PaulR_>Maybe the icons are related to the themes.... if so this this isn't made clear.
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16:24<PaulR_>pah! The GUI tool is obviously flawed...edited the config file changed icons setting as above...restart LXDE, back to how it should be
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16:32<SARC>Anybody ever heard of splashy loading into tty1 instead of tty7?
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16:32<nicoly>ruty como vai vc?
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16:36<elrebrin>Howdy folks. Quick question about Intel graphics cards, namely the i915GM running on Lenny. I know the graphics cards with the current drivers are famous for being awful, but place Quake (the first one) at 640x480, I average 15fps. Should I be expecting more from the card, or is that about it?
16:36<elrebrin>(I meant "playing" instead of "place" by the way)
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16:44<chealer>elrebrin: it would be easier to compare another game such as nexuiz or neverball
16:45<elrebrin>@chealer: I'll give neverball a go and see how it fairs.
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16:46<deniz>has anyone experienced pidgin frequently not sending messages to contacts once in a while? im using lenny and its not only in debian that ive experienced this but would i file this as a bug or what?
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16:46<deniz>like usually it works perfectly but sometimes it decides to always disconnect
16:47<chealer>elrebrin: I'll have to go, but neverball is usable on GMA 900 (but there's much room for improvement), even at resolution below 1280x800
16:47<deniz>i have moblock, firestarter running and pidgin is running in http connect
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16:47<chealer>elrebrin: I'll have to go, but neverball is usable on GMA 900 (but there's much room for improvement, even at resolution below 1280x800)
16:47<elrebrin>@deniz: I've never had problems using Pidgin, but I only really use MSN via it.
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16:47<deniz>elrebrin, ya i also only use msn
16:48<deniz>elrebrin, i have a ~50kb/s connection, with 20kb/s being spent on a torrent and the rest is free, wat could i do/
16:48<bozz>deniz: same "errors" happens to me sometimes.. i suppose it s a network issue (using msn)
16:48<user123456789>anyone know of any reports about getting an AVM FritzCard USB ISDN TA v2.1 working? on 2.6.24-24?
16:48<deniz>bozz, ya but it doesnt happen to emesene or the real windows live messenge
16:49<deniz>elrebrin, bozz, i was just wondering wat id file this as
16:49<bozz>well it does to me!
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16:49<PaulR_>how do I create keyboard shortcuts/hot-keys (whatever the Linux term is) so I can launch apps from the desktop (LXDE) without using the touchpad? I used Crunchbang on my EeePC and lots of hotkeys were 'built in'. i'd like to add that functionality to my Lenny/LXDE install
16:49<elrebrin>@chealer: Cheers. Any idea how to get an FPS count in Neverball? At a guess, I'm thinking I'm getting ~20fps at 640x480 with most stuff on low....
16:50<ml|>PaulR_: one solution is xbindkeys
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16:50<chealer>elrebrin: man says F9
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16:50<PaulR_>reading up on that ty :D
16:50<chealer>elrebrin: you have a GMA 900, right?
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16:51<elrebrin>chealer: Yeah, 915 to be specific.
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16:51<elrebrin>@chealer: ~25-30fps with everything on low. Eeek!
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16:52<PaulR_>ml| - quick question...will that interfere with the global bindings e.g. alt+F4 etc or only if I tell it to? I wouldnt want to completely upset the system at this stage!
16:52<elrebrin>@deniz: To be honest I dunno what to suggest. I've had MSN running for the last few hours and not had a single problem..
16:52<valdyn>elrebrin: sofware rendering?
16:53<elrebrin>@valdyn: xdpyinfo claims direct rendering is working.
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16:53<valdyn>elrebrin: is libgl1-mesa-dri installed though?
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16:54<chealer>elrebrin: I don't have a GMA 900 under the hands, but that seems not too far from what I remember. however, my friend says it sounds like a bug.
16:54<elrebrin>@valdyn: Yup.
16:55<elrebrin>@chealer: Cool, cheers for the help, much appreciated :) As long as its sounds kind of right then I'm happy to wait a bit (or give GEM and UXA a go....).
16:56<ml|>PaulR_: just don't use dose keybindings
16:56<PaulR_>ok thank you
16:57<valdyn>elrebrin: i dont think it should be slow really
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16:57<ml|>PaulR_: if you see a keybinding giving you problems just use something else
16:58<PaulR_>hehe ok...thanks muchly
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16:59<elrebrin>@valdyn: Do you have any ideas of what to try changing? So far I've tried toggling things like BackingStore and Tiling, using XAA, EXA, different colour depths, running nothing but an xterm and a game, and nothing seems to make much difference.
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16:59<deniz>elrebrin, o i got it good again for some reason
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17:00<elrebrin>@valdyn: One interesting thing I discovered, Quake 2 works a lot faster using "Soft X11" rendering compared to "OpenGL GLX"...
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17:01<valdyn>elrebrin: somehow i dont think you really have accelerated gl
17:01<valdyn>elrebrin: is libgl1-mesa-glx installed?
17:01<elrebrin>@valdyn: Yup.
17:02<valdyn>very strange
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17:03<elrebrin>@valdyn: Yeah, its puzzled me for ages. It seems a bit daft that my 486 could run Quake better than this laptop can ;)
17:04<Nemoder>glxinfo | grep direct
17:04<valdyn>elrebrin: is it running a debian kernel?
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17:04<elrebrin>@valdyn: Yeah, whichever one is pulled in by linux-image-2.6-686 (last updated yesterday).
17:05<elrebrin>@Nemoder: direct rendering: Yes
17:05<Nemoder>intel's opengl is notoriously slow for games
17:05<user123456789>AVM FritzCard USB v2.1 anyone?
17:05<valdyn>elrebrin: what fps does glxgears give?
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17:06<elrebrin>@valdyn: About 400.
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17:06<elrebrin>I just wish I could say that it was giving 400 with vsync on ;)
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17:06<valdyn>elrebrin: not to bad, this is some netbook thing?
17:07<elrebrin>@valdyn: Nope, just a kind of old laptop. 5 years maybe?
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17:08<valdyn>elrebrin: probably ok then
17:08<Nemoder>I get about 12000 FPS on my nvidia 8600
17:08<elrebrin>@valdyn: Its a Pentium M 1.2GHz in it if that matters (I'm not speed stepping it, its running at full speed), and I've shoe horned in 2GB of ram.
17:09<ml|>lol i get 166 fps
17:09<valdyn>Nemoder: 6000 on an nvidia 260, which is *alot* faster than your card
17:09<elrebrin>@Nemoder: I get about 11000 from my 6600GT in the desktop.
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17:09<GimpMachine>hellooooo, anyone know where i can get help for kdetv ???
17:10<elrebrin>@GimpMachine: what kind of help?
17:10<Nemoder>well glxgears probably isn't the best benchmark
17:10<valdyn>funny how glxgears gets slower with newer nv cards
17:10<GimpMachine>everything worked lovely under etch
17:10<GimpMachine>i upgraded to lenny and i get no sound in kdetv
17:10<GimpMachine>i get sound in other tv applications and in other programs
17:10<GimpMachine>just not kdetv
17:10<GimpMachine>when i change channels i can hear a click
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17:11<GimpMachine>but i get no sound
17:11<GimpMachine>got all my volumes turned up
17:11<GimpMachine>i'm stumped
17:11<elrebrin>@Nemoder,valdyn: glxgears is a giant mystery to me, it has a mind of its own!
17:11<valdyn>elrebrin: its like 1200 fps on this M 1.5Ghz / radeon m7, so its probably ok
17:11<k1lumin4t1>what are Debian devs waiting for to get linux kernel > 2.6.26 in Squeeze?
17:11<k1lumin4t1>it's been ages since it's stuck there
17:12<valdyn>elrebrin: its normally doesnt bencmark the gfx card, thats all
17:12<ml|>judd: kernel
17:12<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-1-686 (2.6.29-3); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
17:12<Nemoder>phoronix test suite has some real benchmarks
17:12<sney>the sid one will move down before too long
17:12<sney>but, this ain't gentoo
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17:13<sney>it's functionality not THIS EDGE NEEDS MORE CUTTING
17:13<GimpMachine>someone on freenode told me to come see ajavid
17:13<gravity>glxgear is not a fucking benchmark
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17:13<elrebrin>@gravity: We know.
17:14<gravity>Obviously not, because people keep treating it as such
17:14<valdyn>gravity: we arent
17:15<elrebrin>@gravity: Read back the conversation. Its been mentioned loads of times that it isn't a benchmark. It is, however, a fantastic way to see if someone is running HW or SW rendering.
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17:15<gravity>elrebrin: glxinfo | grep direct
17:15<deniz_>im experiencing a problem with virtualbox-ose from lenny backports and squeeze (same version) and im having the same problem with both, it says that im using the wrong modules but i'm not
17:15<elrebrin>@gravity: direct rendering: Yes
17:16<gravity>There you go
17:16<valdyn>elrebrin: maybe neverball really does something that make it slow with your chip
17:16<valdyn>elrebrin: setup seems to be fine
17:17<valdyn>elrebrin: radeon m7 is hugely faster so i dont have a useful comparision
17:17<elrebrin>@valdyn: Neverwinter Nights doesn't get past 20fps either, averages about 15...
17:17<elrebrin>@gravity: Doesn't it show the same if you run libgl1-mesa-swx11?
17:17<valdyn>elrebrin: is that even 3d? i dont know nvn
17:17<valdyn>elrebrin: is that even 3d? i dont know nwn
17:18<gravity>elrebrin: It shouldn't, afai
17:18<elrebrin>@valdyn: Yeah. 3D, but about 9 years old.
17:20<valdyn>elrebrin: if you want to change settings, use driconf btw
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17:20<valdyn>elrebrin: not sure you can do something significant there though
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17:22<elrebrin>@valdyn: Yeah, I've looked around there a bit, the options don't really change much.
17:22<Nemoder>there's not much you can do with an intel gpu
17:23<elrebrin>@gravity: AFAIK, when you have swx11 installed, direct rendering comes up as yes, but the OpenGL renderer string says "Software Rasterizer".
17:24<valdyn>sure, direct rendering being available doesnt mean its being used
17:24<gravity>urgh... that's fugly.
17:24<elrebrin>@Nemoder: Yeah, I'm starting to get that impression. Maybe its time to get a better laptop...
17:24<elrebrin>@gravity: It might be fugly, but it also explains why we were mentioning glxgears.
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17:27<gravity>elrebrin: It's still a crap benchmark
17:27<elrebrin>@valdyn,Nemoder: I'll just make do with the awful frame rates anyway. Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated :)
17:27<gravity>Also... this isn't digg... you don't need to prepend @
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17:28<valdyn> @ runs my syntax highlighting
17:28<valdyn> @ runs my nick highlighting too
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17:29<ml|>no need for @
17:29<elrebrin>@gravity: Indeed, it is a crap benchmark. But you're the one that called us up on mentioning glxgears, I'm explaining why we are mentioning it and knocking you cleanly off your high horse. And I've been prepending @ for the last 10 years because I used to have to for the syntax highlighting back in the day. Its a habit that stuck. And I've never used digg.
17:30<gravity>elrebrin: Dude... you were clearly using glxgears as a benchmark and then claiming that you weren't.
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17:30<gravity>Anyway, this is a stupid discussion
17:30<elrebrin>@gravity: [citation needed] where?
17:30<SARC>Splashy doesn't return to tty1. It goes to a blank screen and i have to press a key to get a login prompt. Is there a way to fix this?
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17:31<deniz_>how do i know if the driver for my Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 03) is working/installed or not by using the terminal?
17:31<gravity>elrebrin: You're right, I misread
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17:32<elrebrin>@gravity: And yes, this is a stupid discussion.
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17:33<valdyn>deniz_: its supported by debian
17:33<valdyn>deniz_: you
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17:33<valdyn>deniz_: you can use it from the cli with various tools
17:33<deniz_>valdyn, ya but supported isnt the same thing as it is working
17:33<valdyn>deniz_: its working.
17:34<valdyn>deniz_: ls /dev/dvb
17:34<elrebrin>deniz_: When it says video decoder, is that as in capture card? If it is, you can use something like aaxine, mplayer or vlc to display its info using ascii art.
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17:35<Helpme>i need some help
17:35<Helpme>i upgraded my debian and got the following error
17:35<valdyn>elrebrin: he needs to set up channels first in this case
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17:35<Helpme>Restarting services possibly affected by the upgrade:
17:35<Helpme> ssh: stopping...
17:35<Helpme>starting...FAILED! (7)
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17:35<Helpme>then a message on how to manually restart ssh appeared but i missed it
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17:35<elrebrin>@valdyn: I believe they have cli options for forcing channels. mplayer certainly does.
17:35<Helpme>does anybody know how to start it?
17:36<elrebrin>@Helpme: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
17:36<valdyn>elrebrin: no doubt he wouldnt just know working frequencies
17:37<Helpme>am i missing something?
17:37<Helpme>sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list [change 'etch' -> 'lenny']
17:37<Helpme>sudo aptitude update
17:37<Helpme>sudo aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude
17:37<Helpme>sudo aptitude full-upgrade
17:37<Helpme>thats all what i did to upgrade im wondering if i have to do anything else
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17:37<elrebrin>@valdyn: True, but if static gets displayed, then chances are it will work when tuned properly. If the card isn't working, the player should give some kind of read error.
17:38<gnufan>Helpme: read the release notes - there may be other stuff.... But probably you didn't need to know it if the above worked.
17:38<valdyn>elrebrin: it cant display static
17:38<ml|>Helpme: that should do it
17:38<valdyn>elrebrin: its a dvb grabber
17:38<Helpme>ok thanks :)
17:38<elrebrin>@valdyn: Or in the case of dvb, I suppose it might do a blue screen.
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17:38<valdyn>elrebrin: probably, yea
17:38<Helpme>do i have to reboot ?
17:38<elrebrin>@valdyn: vlc certainly would show that on a terminal, its ascii art output module supports color :)
17:39<ml|>Helpme: yes
17:39<valdyn>elrebrin: mplayer will just fail if it cant "tune in"
17:39<Helpme>ok thanks :)
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17:39<ml|>!tell Helpme about etch->lenny
17:39<gnufan>Helpme: Oh and a lot of my servers needed a good cleanout after upgrading the lenny -- aptitude warns you about stuff that is "obviously broke", but ignores insanely old packages and cruf - deborphan has a last few runs - if you care about cleaning out dead wood.....
17:39<valdyn>deniz: man dvbscan
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17:40<valdyn>deniz: oh damn, that thing has no manpage
17:40<Helpme>ew i see thanks gnufan
17:40<elrebrin>@valdyn: Ahh, never knew that. Cheers :) I've only used mplayer to take from a RCA input, thus didn't need to tune ;)
17:41<ml|>Helpme: gnufan is right if you want to cleanout any left overs deborphan ftw
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17:41<valdyn>deniz: then /usr/share/doc/dvb-apps/README.scan instead
17:41<Helpme>i see thanks ml| :)
17:41<Helpme>so to reboot i just type reboot right?
17:41<Helpme>im in the PuttY
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17:41<ml|>if you are root or with sudo
17:43<Helpme>ok thanks
17:43<Helpme>is there any step by step guide on cleanning all the useless crap that was left over after the update?
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17:44<ml|>just run deborphan and purge with aptitude, run deborpharn a few times tho
17:44<gravity>Helpme: You probably want to use deborphan
17:44<Helpme>is that a package?
17:45<Helpme>ok thanks let me look for it
17:45<ml|>might need to install it
17:46<Mr-R>Helpme: you've done the "aptitude clean" already?
17:46<Helpme>not yet
17:46<Helpme>should i do that first?
17:46<ml|>aptitude clean does something else tho
17:46<ml|>Helpme: man aptitude
17:46<Mr-R>Helpme: it dumps all downloaded .deb package-files
17:47<gnufan>Helpme: you might not care about the deborphan thing - I think I only got aggressive on it after I wasted half and hour because I thought the package needed was installed, but it was some left over rubbish from when the box had "sarge" installed with a similar name.....
17:47<Helpme>i see thanks
17:47<ml|>i like a clean system and run deborphan every once in a while
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17:50<Helpme>shouldn't i run aptitude dist-upgrade too?
17:51<ml|>Helpme: that is the same as full-upgrade
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17:51<Helpme>oh i see thanks
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17:51<ml|>np man aptitude is your friend ;)
17:51<Helpme>hah i see
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17:57<deniz_>can someone help me catch free tv with my tv card plz?
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17:58<deniz_>legally free channels i mean, im not expecting like free cable or wtv
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17:59<deniz_>me-tv says "There are no available DVB tuner devices"
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18:00<drakeman>good afternoon!
18:01<deniz_>how do i know what frequency my tv channel is at?
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18:09<Helpme>is there any guide about how to setup native IPV6?
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18:13<locklace>!fgi Helpme debian-ipv6
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18:16<Napo83>for how-to in Italian?
18:16<ed_debian>locklace, are you being rude to the ignorant again?
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18:17<Vixen_>Lo all
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18:20<gnufan>ed_debian: no excuse for ignorance these days... thing is I though if I had nearly all the worlds knowledge at my finger tips I'd be healthy, happy, rich and powerful, but mostly it just reveals I procrastinate too much.
18:20<Napo83>Debian or Red-hat?
18:21<ed_debian>gnufan, lol that is for sure huh
18:21<Napo83>For lenguage Italy?
18:21<drakeman>if yo ask in a redhat channel youll get another answer
18:21<Napo83>The channel is?
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18:22<drakeman>well, sorry, i dont know the cannel, i just know debian :D:D:D
18:22<drakeman>so, go for Debian! don look for more! debian is freen, redhat is like MS
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18:23<Napo83>Becouse a OAFIID:GNOME_LunarApplet or OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet error ??
18:23<Napo83>Why a OAFIID:GNOME_LunarApplet or OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet error ??
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18:25<dianna>who is hell dragon?
18:26<azeem>dianna: do you have a Debian question?
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18:29<deniz_>Napo83, ur a newbie?
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18:29<deniz_>Napo83, are you a newbie?*
18:29<deniz_>sorry i keep forgetting the typing rules here
18:29<SARC>Is there an alternative to splashy and bootsplash? Neither seems to work well.
18:29<Napo83>good night
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18:31<deniz_>is ati's proprietary HD4850 driver open source or closed?
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18:31<azeem>deniz_: is that a trick question?
18:31<deniz_>azeem, lol well im asking if they're proprietary or went open source
18:31<azeem>deniz_: proprietary software is by definition not open source
18:32<deniz_>azeem, ya sorry i phrased it wrong
18:32<deniz_>azeem, is ati open source while nvidia is proprietary or are both proprietary?
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18:32<azeem>I don't know
18:32<Zviper>when i try to run aclocal i get this:
18:32<Zviper> warning: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library
18:33<Zviper> warning: macro `AM_DISABLE_STATIC' not found in library
18:33<Zviper>except in reverse order
18:33<azeem>those are from libtool
18:33<Zviper>You should update your `aclocal.m4' by running aclocal.
18:33<Zviper>said libtool.
18:33<Zviper>im having some major issues with ./autosh
18:33<Zviper>./ **
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18:37<Zviper>any ideas?
18:37<Zviper>also get this
18:37<Zviper>src/ Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined
18:37<azeem>Zviper: why are you compiling yourself?
18:38<Zviper>it's for rtorrent.
18:38<Zviper>i didn't compile libtool, automake or autoconf by myself
18:38<azeem>isn't there a debian package?
18:38<Zviper>i got those through apt-get
18:38<Zviper>i need a specific version.
18:38<azeem>I sure hope you did
18:38<azeem>Zviper: try
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18:39<Zviper>what will that do?
18:39<azeem>maybe get you the specific version you need
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18:41<Zviper>no, i need to compile this myself.
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18:41<azeem>did you try asking the rtorrent developers about their misbehaving autogen.shß
18:42<Zviper>i've compiled this before on other boxes
18:44<ml|>any recommmendations for vm
18:45<ml|>virtual machine
18:45<locklace>kvm works for me
18:45<locklace>Zviper: do you even need auto*? i've never, ever needed it to build anything, ./configure && make
18:46<locklace>ml|: does your processor support vmx?
18:46<azeem>maybe Zviper wants to compile rtorrent out of git
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18:47<ml|>locklace: vmx?
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18:48<locklace>ml|: what kind of cpu
18:48<Zviper>locklace: im following instructions in a tutorial and it says to do ./ first. should i try it without ./
18:48<azeem>Zviper: of course
18:48<azeem>Zviper: did you get the source as a tarball?
18:49<locklace>Zviper: you should always avoid using autoconf if you have any possible excuse
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18:49<Sassi>erhm if i have manage somehow to change my root password when i was drunk any possiblity to recover it ?
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18:50<locklace>Sassi: hahaha
18:50<ml|>locklace: will read thxs
18:50<dkr>Sassi: no, you have to reset it
18:50<Sassi>can i reset it to what ever it was from the start?
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18:51<ml|>locklace: ok so it does vmx why did you ask?
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18:52<dkr>!tell Sassi about i forgot root's password
18:52<locklace>ml|: because then you can run a vm much more efficiently. in particular you can use kvm
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18:52<ml|>ah so without vmx could not use kvm
18:53<locklace>you could, but you'd have to run it in -no-kvm mode, which is basically qemu
18:53<locklace>which also isn't bad, but having the kvm extensions is nice
18:53<ml|>locklace: i see thanks for explanation
18:54<ml|>will do some reading on kvm
18:54<locklace>one other thing, you might need to enable vmx in your biox
18:54<ml|>locklace: i'm not on a 64bit install does it matter
18:54<locklace>hmm. actually i think amd made the right call and didn't allow mfrs to disable it, so it's probably always on
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18:56<ml|>locklace: ok will check bios, but from last time i was there didn't see any vmx but did somethng similar
18:56<ml|>locklace: and thanks :)
18:56<locklace>just install kvm, make a disk image with "kvm-img -f qcow2 mydisk.vmd 16G" (or however big you want it to be), then get yourself a .iso install image for some os, and run "kvm -hda mydisk.vmd -cdrom myinstallcd.iso -boot d -m 512" (or however much mem you want to give it)
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18:57<Zviper>im getting these now
18:57<Zviper>./configure: line 7073: syntax error near unexpected token `OPENSSL,'
18:57<Zviper>./configure: line 7073: ` PKG_CHECK_MODULES(OPENSSL, openssl,'
18:57<Zviper>but i have openssl installed.
18:57<azeem>it's a syntax error
18:58<azeem>Zviper: probably due to a bad run; restart from scratch
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18:58<netzwurm>hm. i am using the exim4 standard configuration for smarthosts and i have the respective entries in passwd.client. why does exim not try to authenticate with my outgoing mailserver?
18:59<ml|>locklace: ah thanks :) to check for vmx ... . egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo
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18:59<Zviper>azeem: yep that was it thanks
18:59<ml|>locklace: if something shows up you have vmx
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18:59<Zviper>should i be worried about this error?
18:59<Zviper> fatal error: error writing to /tmp/ccSWYC7O.s: No space left on device
19:00<azeem>Zviper: well, d'oh
19:00<locklace>that doesn't tell you whether it's disabled in the bios though
19:00<Zviper>i know for a fact there's at least 200gb on the disk
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19:00<netzwurm>or better, how can if find out if it tries to authenticate?
19:00<azeem>Zviper: what does "df /tmp" say?
19:00<netzwurm>it doesnt really tell in mainlog.
19:00<dkr>Zviper: maybe /tmp is a separate partition?
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19:00<Zviper>overflow 1024 176 848 18% /tmp
19:00<ml|>locklace: right will need to check that
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19:01<Zviper>Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
19:01<Zviper>overflow 1024 176 848 18% /tmp
19:01<locklace>ml|: iirc as an amd user you don't have to worry about it. it's only us intel users that can get screwed by mainboard manufacturers
19:01<azeem>wth is overflow
19:01<azeem>ah really?
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19:01<azeem>Zviper: then fix your filesystem
19:01<dkr>848kiB avail?
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19:02<azeem>Zviper: wait, you /tmp is 1mb big?
19:02<Zviper>dunno, just says 848
19:02<Zviper>i doubt it
19:02<Zviper>how can i find out?
19:02<azeem>Zviper: then why df says so?
19:02<azeem>Zviper: df /tmp
19:02<azeem>Zviper: please
19:02<Zviper>is it measured in kb?
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19:02<ml|>locklace: thanks :)
19:02<dkr>use df -h forunits
19:02<azeem>Zviper: look we're not making this up
19:03<dkr>but yeah, 1024 1k blocks = 1MiB
19:03<Zviper>yeah it's 848kb rofl
19:03<Zviper>my /tmp is 1mb, how would i go about expanding it?
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19:04<azeem>by figuring out how you borked your /tmp in the first place
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19:04<Zviper>well when i was running etch it wasn't the case
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19:04<azeem>what are you running now?
19:05<azeem>Zviper: pastebin your /etc/fstab
19:05<Zviper>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
19:06<Zviper>/dev/sda1 / ext3 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
19:06<Zviper>/dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0
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19:06<azeem>Zviper: I said pastebin
19:06<Zviper>it's only 3 lines
19:06<Zviper>and that's how it looks exactly
19:06<azeem>Zviper: pastebin the output of mount
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19:08<azeem>well, no idea where you got that overflow filesystem from
19:08<azeem>maybe recursively grep /etc for it
19:08<azeem>well, etc/rc*
19:08<Zviper>i haven't fucked around with the partitions (yet) so it must be from when i reinstalled w/ lenny
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19:08<azeem>Zviper: I doubt it
19:09<Zviper>i did grep etc/rc and it's taking it's sweet time
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19:09<themill>!dbugs 430814
19:09<dpkg>DONE:#430814:W[initscripts] Mount a tmpfs on /tmp if /tmp is too small (patch); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:00:01 UTC []
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19:10<themill>see /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp
19:10<Zviper>so umount overflow then mount tmpfs /tmp?
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19:12<ml|>locklace: was doing some reading and the guest needs to be run as root, isn't this dangerous?
19:12<azeem>Zviper: you don't need a file system on /tmp
19:13<locklace>ml|: no it doesn't
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19:13<ml|>locklace: does need to be run as root
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19:14<ml|>locklace: got it from here...
19:15<locklace>ml|: i've never run it as root
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19:15<themill>Zviper: seeing as that overflow tmpfs only gets created in an emergency when / looks full, you might want to investigate why / looks full... Can you pastebin the output of df?
19:16<ml|>locklace: ok, nothing todo to run as regular user?
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19:16<locklace>ml|: either i'm missing something and never noticed, or that documentation is wrong/out of date :)
19:17<ml|>locklace: ok got it, that jump out when reading thought i'd ask
19:17<locklace>yeah, well, it is concerning when they stick "sudo" in there like that and don't say anything about it
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19:18<locklace>what is true is that there's a /dev/kvm device and you have to have rw access to it (installation will automatically create a kvm group for it)
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19:18<locklace>oh my god, that's incredibly stupid
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19:19<petern>chmod 666?
19:19<Gun_Smoke>with using rsync across the LAN is the -z switch worth the compression? Moving ~40G of .mp3s
19:19<ml|>locklace: so you did none of that and works fine
19:19<locklace>ml|: exactly what i said above. kvm group is auto-created for you at install, just add your user to the group. that's all you need.
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19:20<locklace>that they even mention running it as root in the docs/faq is shockingly daft
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19:20<ml|>locklace: yeah thought so, thanks
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19:23<dilpreet>this is gay
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19:25<Gun_Smoke>is there any major reason to keep the package cache around ie /var/cache/apt/archive ?
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19:25<abrotman>Gun_Smoke: not really
19:25<abrotman>!tell dilpreet about gay
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19:26<locklace>Gun_Smoke: you might want to downgrade
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19:26<Gun_Smoke>locklace, well that can all be done by downloading the package again correct? or the correct version..
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19:26<abrotman>Gun_Smoke: FWIW, you can set the cache size so you don't have to manage it manually
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19:27<locklace>Gun_Smoke: if you're lucky, and can still find it somewhere, and your system isn't too hosed to use the net...
19:27<Gun_Smoke>abrotman, that I don't think would be all that necessary here.
19:27<Gun_Smoke>Guest1642, no
19:27<locklace>Gun_Smoke: for the love of god man
19:27<themill>Guest1728: no-one can help you with your CAPS LOCK on...
19:27<locklace>Guest1728: for the love of god man
19:27<Gun_Smoke>abrotman, I figure once it's up and running..
19:27<Guest1728>din't know...
19:28<abrotman>Gun_Smoke: is the machine running stable?
19:28<Gun_Smoke>Guest1642, lspci |grep Net
19:28<Gun_Smoke>abrotman, yes
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19:29<jason>screw you dilpreet
19:30<Gun_Smoke>okay.. that sort of came from left field..
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19:30<themill>Gun_Smoke: the kiddies are playing games
19:30<locklace>just some trolls from uwaterloo
19:30<Gun_Smoke>I see
19:31<locklace>!lart jason
19:31*dpkg chops jason in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
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19:32<ml|>locklace: when I have sometime will install kvm :)
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19:32<Marcelo_>can some one help me get my wireless working in debian lenny please
19:32<npu>defoma's ttf support seems nicely fscked. I had to compile libftperl from etch, pluck some wozzname function declarations and add @h & to /usr/share/defoma/ on line 42 (!) to make defoma-hints work. It was like hell.
19:33<abrotman>Marcelo_: we need to know which chipset it is to start
19:33<themill>Marcelo_: what's the output of: lspci -nn | grep Net
19:33<Gun_Smoke>that's what I asked.. :)
19:33<locklace>Marcelo_: first check to make sure your kernel recognises it, check dmesg output and lsmod, and lspci and lspci -k
19:33<Marcelo_>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection [8086:4222] (rev 02)
19:34<locklace>Marcelo_: lsmod|grep ipw
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19:34<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @
19:34<themill>Marcelo_: ^^
19:35<Gun_Smoke>Marcelo_, that's an easy one for you then..
19:35<locklace>ah, that chipset has multiple drivers
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19:35<Marcelo_>thanks guys
19:35<Gun_Smoke>I have the 4965 on 2 laptops
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19:37<micahg1>does debian have a policy about pacakging pear libraries?
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19:39<Guest1729>how do i get a user name
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19:40<Gun_Smoke>/nick pick_one
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19:40<Gun_Smoke>Guest1642, ^
19:40<abrotman>Guest1729: /msg nickserv help
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19:41<npu>Will defoma's ttf support get fixed in lenny?
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19:41<micahg>does debian have a policy about pacakging pear libraries?
19:42<locklace>micahg: dare i ask the obvious question
19:42<micahg>locklace: please
19:42<micahg>whihc one?
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19:43<micahg>or which license?
19:45<locklace>i was going to ask what in blazes a "pear library" was. now i see it has something to do with php, and feel sullied
19:45<npu>@Guest1729 type /msg nickserv register
19:45<micahg> themill: thank you
19:45<Guest1729>REGISTER: Registers a nickname for your usage.
19:45<micahg>that's the doc I couldn't find
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19:47<micahg>themill: I tried google, but obviously didn't have the correct terms
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19:51<stacey_>woo made it.
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19:54<Helps>Current status: 244 updates [-1].
19:54<Helps>W: Could not lock the cache file; this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages. Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved!
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19:54<Helps>how do i figure out the status of the other update proccess
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19:54<Helps>i was upgrading and i closed my putty
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19:56<npu>@Helps It means, look for the process-id in the files named apt*
19:56<Helps>root 8850 0.1 3.4 50932 35988 pts/0 Sl+ 17:36 0:08 aptitude full-upgrade
19:56<Helps>now how do i like pop it to view the status again
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19:57<Helps>or should i just kill it and start it again
19:57<npu>@Helps chvt /dev/pts/0
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19:59<locklace>since when does chvt make sense for ptys
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19:59<Sebboh->Can someone remind me how I check which package some file in /etc came from? Specifically, /etc/default/rcS .. I need to restore that, from etch. :P
19:59<Helps>localhost:~# chvt /dev/pts/0
19:59<Helps>chvt: VT_ACTIVATE: No such device or address
19:59<npu>@Sebboh dpkg -S /etc/default/rcS*
19:59<Ampelbein>Sebboh-: dpkg -S ?
20:00<npu>@Helps Then you might have to kill it, as you said, you closed your putty.
20:00<locklace>Helps: seems to me like it might be safest to let it run and hopefully finish on its own. if it doesn't you might have to kill it, though
20:00<npu>@Helps Do you use screen?
20:00<Sebboh->npu, @ means something different here on IRC. :P
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20:01<Sebboh->npu, Ampelbein, thanks!
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20:03<bremner>npu, well, don't you find it odd you are the @only @one @using @so @many @'s?
20:03<Sebboh->npu, maybe you already know, I dunno.. But, yeah, if your irc client provides a nicklist, you'll see that debhelper has a @, and no one else currently does.
20:04<Sebboh->It means that debhelper is a channel operator, it can set the topic, kick people out, etc.
20:04<deniz_>how can i get the specs of my monitor using terminal?
20:04<bremner>deniz_: xrandr -q
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20:05<deniz_>bremner, not resolution, like actual physical specs i mean
20:06<xemacs4321>I need an application to take video of an x-window ?
20:06<bremner>deniz_: you could maybe look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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20:08<Sebboh->deniz_, check the apt-cache for the word dde, maybe there's an app that can do dde queries.
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20:11<Sebboh->Sorry! it's ddc, not dde.
20:11<Sebboh->deniz_, ^^
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20:12<adama_>xemacs4321: xvidcap
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20:14<xemacs4321>adama_, not a package ?
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20:16<adama_>xemacs4321, it's in dmm
20:16<dpkg>dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
20:17<xemacs4321>adama_, thankyou
20:17<adama_>sure thing
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20:24<deniz_>bremner, Sebboh-, there isn't a way that just lists details like it would list amount of RAM, CPU speed etc? (im not asking for RAM and CPU speed) - if it's too much of a hassle then i'll just learn it later but i was hoping for a simple command to copy paste
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20:27<Sebboh->deniz_, if there is a command that does that, it will come from a package (program) that you can install, and I bet the word DDC will be in the name or description..
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20:27<Sebboh->so you can search for it, and find it. You know, apt-cache search ddc
20:27<Sebboh->ignore results related to file transfers, I guess.
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20:30<interbird>So I start Lenny, all messages appear o tty0, the I go throuh gdm to gnome, do stuff, then shutdown and all messages appear on tty7; the graph tty; How can I fix that ?
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20:35<ootput> /reload
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20:38<adb> tty7 is for graph aka X , is that you don't ? remove gdm than
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20:40<interbird>gdm is my graph login, why sould i remove that ?
20:41<bremner>deniz_: if you follow Sebboh-'s hint, you will find the package
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20:41<interbird>i just ask why after shutting down gnome the shut-down messages appear on 7 instead of 0
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20:42<deniz_>bremner, Sebboh-, ddccontrol?
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20:42<adb>interbird: wrong /etc/inittab ?
20:43<interbird>adb: will look...
20:44<interbird>adb: nope, looks in order
20:45<adb>so , i dunno
20:46<interbird>anyone has any clou please? it irritates me a little and i already reinstalled gdm
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20:46<interbird>to no avail...
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20:50<npu>interbird, this seems pretty normal behavior for a tty to me. stdout goes to the actual tty, that is tty7 in your case.
20:51<adb>interbird: compare with "normal" inittab
20:52<adb>lines 54 to 59
20:53<adb>anyways tty7 is reserved for X
20:53<interbird>npu,adb: normal behaviour is that once X is shutdown and the system goes down, messages are displayed on tty0; at least that was the case for the past years...
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20:53<npu>interbird, no. I saw this behaviour in etch already, iirc.
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20:54<interbird>npu: me too, but i did not want to alianate this channel by talking about the u-distro
20:55<npu>interbird, anyway: When you shut down X/gdm, you stay put on tty7.
20:55<interbird>adb: checking your link...
20:56<adb>npu: wrong
20:56<interbird>npu: that is not true
20:56<npu>adb, interbird, but!
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20:56<interbird>but what ?
20:57<interbird>tty0 starts, go gdm/xdm/kdm go 7/ logout -> tty0
20:57<npu>interbird, but it is so on this humble machine. 8)
20:57<interbird>why now 7?
20:57<interbird>machine ?
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20:58<npu>why not?
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20:58<interbird>i am i human and tell machine what to do, not?
20:58<interbird>(ok not) for now :-)
20:58<npu>then you need to tell it what to do.
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20:59*npu reads man chvt(1)
20:59<interbird>that is why i was asking for help about this probbie; hoping more that me, myself&i can beat the machine :-)
21:00<bremner>deniz_: I used read-edid | parse-edid (both from the read-edid package)
21:00<interbird>npu: chvt is to change terminals, nothing to do with the problem i have...
21:00<bremner>deniz_: ddccontrol sound possible as well
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21:01<interbird>so, which "bit" decides to put all the messages on tty7 when shutting down; that is my question
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21:02*npu guesses syslogd
21:03*npu or stdout/stderr
21:03<adb>interbird: which release ?
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21:04*interbird guesses that too, but before reading a dictionary from head to tail i gambled on some enlightened spirits on this channel :-)
21:04<interbird>adb: squeeze
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21:07<adb>interbird: your /etc/console-setup has ""ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]" ?
21:08<adb>at beginning first 6-10 line
21:08<deniz>how do i cd to the trash directory with terminal cuz cd trash: doesn't seem to work
21:09<interbird>adb: dunno, lots of incs, does not seem the place of problem to me
21:09<interbird>language stuff
21:09<npu>deniz, do you use KDEor gnome?
21:09<deniz>npu, GNOME
21:10<interbird>what file ?
21:10<interbird>/etc/console-setup is a directory..
21:10<adb>interbird:err /etc/default/console-setup
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21:12<interbird>adb: yep, /dev/tty[1-6], rest is font-shit...
21:12<npu>deniz, IDK, but I propose to look in ~/.gnome/gnome-vfs/
21:12<interbird>adb: yeah, found it; that is not where my prob is
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21:14<interbird>strange thing is a removed gdm with config and reinstalled it but the problem stays; what makes an exit from gui stay on tty7 ?
21:15<npu>interbird, you did not tell the machine to go to another tty.
21:15<interbird>i boot, all msg's go on 0
21:15<interbird>then gdm, login gnome...
21:16<interbird>logout gnome
21:16<interbird>ms's on 7 instead of0
21:16<adb>well tty1 ,
21:16<interbird>no 7
21:17<adb>well tty1 , instead of 0 , i meant
21:17<interbird>i don't grasp?...
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21:17<interbird>start on 0 endon 7, not 1
21:18<npu>interbird: it's no miracle. because tty is tty0 then. tty0 is always the actual tty.
21:18<adb>no ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]"
21:18<interbird>npu: well, not in my case apparantly...
21:19<interbird>adb: yes, it's there in /etc/con...; that is not the problem
21:19<interbird>question is: what happens after you shutdown gnome...
21:20<interbird>gdm gets control again
21:20<interbird>seeings the gui-session is terminated
21:20<interbird>goes down
21:20<interbird>activated a tty for the shutdown messages
21:21<interbird>but i already reinstalled gdm (remove all)
21:21<interbird>maybe i remove it and see if xdm does the same
21:21<interbird>it is just irritating me, you know; it is not a big problem, but i would like to fix it for sure...
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21:23<npu>interbird, it does exactly the same.
21:23<interbird>same as what ?
21:24<npu>interbird, you stay put on the tty your display manager occupied.
21:25<interbird>npu: what do you mean? when a system starts it does on tty0, issuing messages
21:26<interbird>npu: then a graphical login is invoked
21:26<interbird>then you run your gui session
21:26<npu>your display manger switches to tty7 and changes to graphics mode
21:26<interbird>the tou shutdown
21:27<interbird>and shutdown messages appear on the same tty as startup, tty0 and !7
21:27<adb>so inittab is ok ? paste it.
21:27<npu>interbird: Would you like to elaborate on your last statement, please?
21:27<interbird>npu: that is when it starts, so why does it not switch bat to 0 for shutdown ?
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21:28<npu>interbird: because you nobody told it to do so.
21:28<interbird>npu: ?
21:28<interbird>i did not tell my friend i was going to shut down ?
21:28<npu>interbird: because nobody told your display manager to switch to another console.
21:29<interbird>npu: come on
21:29<interbird>it worked for 9 years
21:29<interbird>now not ?
21:29<npu>interbird: forget it.
21:30<interbird>and it works ok on my ubuntu,fedora and aoter systems on the same laptop; only not lenny.
21:30<interbird>i know what i do
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21:30<adb>lenny ?
21:30<interbird>squeeze, ok :-)
21:30<drakeman>anyone have problems in debian squeeze, i dont know why my hdd led in my pc is always on....
21:31<drakeman>i i dont do anything just the desktop, the led stays on...
21:31<interbird>usb drive ?
21:31<drakeman>is an internal hdd
21:31<npu>drakeman, ignore it.
21:31<interbird>is it mounted ?
21:32<drakeman>yes. is my main hdd, debian is installed, so is obvious is mounted.
21:32<interbird>ide or sata ?
21:33<interbird>controller? (lspci)
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21:35<interbird>what is the sata-controller in your systemplease
21:35<drakeman>if i run lspci, almos everythjing says nvidia corporation....
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21:35<drakeman>00:07.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller (rev f3)
21:36<magyar>hi all, i'm having sound issues in kde 4.2, I get no sound from my soundblaster card. I used to in KDE 3.5
21:36<interbird>drakeman: just a hint... googled for the problem you have with the CK804 ?
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21:37<interbird>(to determine if it's just you or a class-failure)
21:38<interbird>magyar: try some mixer settings, it could be a channel is muted
21:39<drakeman>didnt find anything in google, just a bug but only in previous versions of debian...
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21:40<interbird>drakman: do you have a live knoppix or other cd you can boot? does it do the same? (keep hd light on)
21:40<interbird>(to see if it's debian or your hardware)
21:40<drakeman>mm, yes i have a knoppix bootable disk, but i didnt use it yet, let my trie it
21:40<drakeman>and i tell you..
21:40<adb>drakeman: ask #kde4 om freenode
21:41<magyar>interbird: i have everything unmued
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21:41<xtract>does anyone know how to install openbsd's PF in debian
21:41<deniz>ive had several incidents with sudo apt-get autoremove not only removing things i dont want removed but it removes a lot of things, how do I make it only remove things I actually dont need?
21:41<xtract>or has anyone ported it yet?
21:41<drakeman>adb: why kde4?
21:41<adb> i'm having sound issues in kde 4.2, ..
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21:42<interbird>magyar: i'm a gnome-dude, sorry; if you have a live cd like knoppix, debian or ubuntu see if that works. (to rule out a specific mis-config)
21:43<chealer>adb: you must mean magyar
21:43<adb>no , drakeman
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21:44<adb>err magyar
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21:45<interbird>there are some basic sound-checks on the internet bypassing mixers and stuff; just google for 'linux raw sound'
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21:50<interbird>still, why does this instance of Debian decides it tells me about it's shutdown on tty7; and i've searched... f**ck; why is this...
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21:53<Helpme>Hi,i just upgraded to lenny, so im full of useless packages from the old version how do i clean up a little
21:53<adb>apt-get autoremove
21:53<Helpme>what is that gona do?
21:53<gravity>Helpme: Did you not try deborphan?
21:54<drakeman>interbird: Thanks, i had the same problem with knoppix bootable disk, but the problem was one of my ide hard disk, ... i disconnect it and the led now is off
21:54<Helpme>gravity would you explain me how to use it?
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21:54<gravity>Helpme: You download it, run the thing, and it tells you what packages aren't depended on by any others in the system. You can remove those packages with your package manager and re-run deborphan. Repeat the process until you're satisfied.
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21:55<gravity>Helpme: Another thing you can do easily is use aptitude's interactive mode and remove any packages listed as obsolete
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21:58<chealer>adb: autoremove needs to know what is automatically installed or not. APT didn't track this prior to lenny, so that would be useless.
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21:58<adb>chealer: thanks
22:01<Helpme>gravity how do i list the packages listed as obsolete?
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22:02<gravity>Helpme: When you run aptitude it'll be one of the categories of packages. Among the other categories are Installed Packages and Not Installed Packages.
22:03<gravity>Helpme: Just run aptitude and you'll see it
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22:04<interbird>drakeman: that's i usually do in such a case; see if it's the running system or the hardware; glad you solved it; together we know more that 1+1 :-)
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22:07<drakeman>interbird: thanks! lol!
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22:10<gravity>Helpme: The aptitude manual is located online here if you want to learn how to use the program. It's very well documented and if you're going to be using Debian it's very worth your time to learn:
22:11<gravity>Helpme: You can also just google for "aptitude debian manual"
22:11<Helpme>ok thanks
22:12<gravity>As for deborphan, I learned it from reading the manpage
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22:15<interbird>so there is this guy on vacation with his girlfriend in Tunesia...
22:16<interbird>and together the walk through a village...
22:16<interbird>and some inmate wants to trade hist girlfriend for 12 camels...
22:16<interbird>what does he do ?
22:17<bremner>ask to testdrive a camel?
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22:28<dondelelcaro>whatever he does is not on topic here
22:28<sney>chirp chirp
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22:36<boglio>Hey guys, when I try to remove Totem video player it wants me to remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment.. Of course I'm scared because I don't want to lose gnome ^^, I'm running debian testing thanks
22:37<adb>let it go and reinstall gnome-core
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22:38<adb>+ vlc
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22:38<boglio>yea well I use mplayer, but I have limited bandwidth so I can't be downloading gnome
22:38<boglio>but i really want to get rid of totem
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22:41<adb>see /var/cache/apt/archive if not have already gnome stuff , so no needs new d/l s
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22:42<adb> ... /archives*
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22:42<boglio>yea ok there are alot of gnome packages there including gnome-core
22:42<boglio>does that mean I won't have to dl it
22:43<Txt_file>is it planned to support the cell-processor sometime
22:43<boglio>Well I'll give it a go, thanks man
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22:48<adb>Txt_file: like ? i listen some ppl are running debian on cells
22:48<deniz>is it possible to use gimp to put two pictures side by side then save that and have that be one picture on its own?
22:48<adb>(but not me)
22:49<Txt_file>adb: asked cause the cell isn't listed as port
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22:49<Txt_file>deniz: sure
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22:50<adb> cell is not a processor ....
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22:52<adb> #emdebian may help too
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22:53<Txt_file>yeah sure I know that's not only the processor
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22:56<deniz>Txt_file, lol
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23:25<xjjk>is anyone using KDE 4 on sid?
23:25<xjjk>I'm wanting 1.6 and KDE 4... I'm wondering whether I should just go from testing to sid to get them
23:25<xjjk>I'm wondering what kind of breakage there may be
23:25<gravity>xjjk: For X issues in unstable see
23:26<gravity>I can't speak for KDE though
23:26<xjjk>gravity: useful page... thanks!
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23:34<drakeman>hey people if i want to remove the ssh service from startup because i want to star it manually, the correct way is "update-rc.d -f ssh remove" ???
23:35<drakeman>thats the correct way?
23:36<gravity>That's more of a packaging interface. You can just rename the symlink that starts it in /etc/rc2.d or whatever your runlevel is
23:36<gravity>You can use update-rc.d if you want though, it does work. It's just kind of baroque
23:36<drakeman>gravity: there is any other way?
23:37<gravity>drakeman: Like I said. Just rename the symlink.
23:37<corge`>just remove the script from startup or rename the link
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23:37<gravity>drakeman: Read /etc/rc2.d/README
23:37<gravity>The system isn't really that complex if you're not doing anything fancy with it
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23:39<drakeman>thanks, im going to check ....
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23:49<john_>whats the best way to copy a current installed debian lenny to reinstall it to another pc?
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23:52<gravity>john_: I've never done that, so I don't know the best way. But you can tar up /etc and /home and anything you've customized and bring it over. You can also use dpkg --get-selections to get your installed package list, and dpkg --set-selections to install from that list on the second pc
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23:56<john_>ok thank you
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