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---Logopened Wed May 13 00:00:04 2009
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00:00<Zviper>yeah i found that, im trying to figure out how to correctly use it
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00:18<Joe__>i cant get my gnome resolution to go to the native 1680x1050 of my 22'
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00:18<Joe__>any suggestions?
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00:19<Joe__>ive tried jacking around with xrandr , adding modes, and trying to change to them and stuff
00:20<Joe__>any suggestions? am in in the right channel even?
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00:22<Joe__>i have no idea what kind of video card is in this computer
00:22<Joe__>its a dual 2ghz quad core w/3gb mem
00:23<Joe__>i would think the video card could be capable of 1680x1050
00:23<Joe__>even though its onboard video
00:23<Joe__>i have no clue what kind of video it even has
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00:26<Guest1913>i have probles whit my ubuntu
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00:28<Joe__>bbb8 u know how to get the 1680x1050 resolution working in x ?
00:29<Joe__>am i in the right room to ask?
00:29<bbb8>there might be a channel for X itself in here, let me see
00:30<Joe__>u know how i can tell what kind of video hardware this computer has?
00:30<bbb8>yea there's a channel called debian-x
00:30<Joe__>wondering if i need a newer driver for the video card
00:30<bbb8>lspci if you got a pci video hardware
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00:31<Joe__>ATI Technologies Inc ES1000 (rev 02)
00:32<Joe__>is iceweasel same as firefox ?
00:32<bbb8>it is
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00:32<Joe__>only difference is the name?
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00:33<bbb8>and the logo i believe
00:33<bbb8>yea, i'm sure alot of the people here know about it, everyone's just idling though
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00:34<bbb8>i think firefox had their name and logo copyrighted or something, so for licensing issues they changed them and made it iceweasel
00:34<bbb8>and icedove for thunderbird
00:34<bbb8>since the base is open source
00:39<chealer>Joe__: it's OK to ask here as long as you use Debian (though there might be other channels where you could ask)
00:39<chealer>!tell Joe__ about iceweasel
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00:41<chealer>Joe__: which X video driver do you use?
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00:42<chealer>bbb8: there's no copyright on names. to be exact, Mozilla Corporation trademarks the name of its products.
00:42<bbb8>oh ok,
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00:43<Joe__>trying to figure that out right now
00:44<bbb8>so are there other differences other than the trademarks?
00:44<bbb8>he uses the main one that comes with the distro,
00:45<Joe__>chealer: how can i tell what driver im using right now?
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00:46<chealer>Joe__: there's no direct way to get it, but your configuration may define it. otherwise, your X log tells.
00:46<bbb8>joe-> "apt-cache search xorg ATI "
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00:48<Joe__>thats a pretty long list
00:48<chealer>bbb8: iceweasel has a few functional patches not approved by Mozilla, but not significantly more than an average package.
00:48<Joe__>where do i see my X log ?
00:49<bbb8>hmmm no Joe it's not , you can see the ATI ones there it's pretty obvious :p
00:49<bbb8>chealer: o ok
00:50<chealer>Joe__: in /var/log/
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00:52<bbb8>cat Xorg.0.log |grep ATI
00:52<bbb8>or something like that
00:54<Joe__>lots of ati stuff in there
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00:54<Joe__>(--) PCI:*(0:4:0) ATI Technologies Inc ES1000 rev 2, Mem @ 0xe0000000/27, 0xee0f0000/16, I/O @ 0xdc00/8
00:54<Joe__>(II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets:
00:54<Joe__>then lists like 100 diff cards and stuff
00:55<Joe__>(--) Chipset ATI ES1000 515E (PCI) found
00:55<Joe__>(--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI ES1000 515E (PCI)" (ChipID = 0x515e)
00:55<Joe__>then a bunch of memory addresses
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00:56<bbb8>cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep ati
00:58<Joe__>that didnt find anything but some comments
00:58<Joe__>and i gotta go do something
00:58<bbb8>then u don't have it running
00:58<bbb8>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
00:59<bbb8>that should be the driver,
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01:00<chealer>Joe__: he's already using radeon
01:00<chealer>Joe__: are you sure your card supports that resolution?
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01:05<sney>1680x1050 sounds like a widescreen laptop
01:05<sney>and ES1000 sounds like some wonky codename for a mobility chip
01:06<sney>so assuming that's the native resolution of the laptop screen, the card can absolutely support it, it has to
01:06<sney>with some of those x1050 resolutions it's just best to force it in xorg.conf
01:06<sney>if that's what you already did then disregard
01:07<sney>but if you google "xorg.conf resolution" or something along those lines there are a few docs on the subject
01:07<sney>autodetect doesn't always work
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01:09<chealer>sney: ES1000 is a server GPU
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01:10<sney>one of those GPGPU things?
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01:14<ed_debian>Speaking in low level terms how does nautilus show the folders that are on my harddrive?
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01:16<jm_>speaking in terms of not understanding what the question is about - it draws a window, some icons and text that represent directories, as there are no folders
01:17<ed_debian>jm_, thank you for trying. This is difficult to ask but I'll keep trying. How does nautilus know what files are inside a particular folder?
01:17<jm_>ed_debian: ahh you mean how it gets the info from the kernel?
01:18<ed_debian>jm_, yes? I'm not sure. Where does it load the entire file tree from? The kernel? Is there a program it calls or something?
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01:18<chealer>sney: no, a video card used in computer servers
01:19<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
01:19<jm_>ed_debian: ahh right, no it uses system calls for such tasks - stuff like opendir(3), readdir(3) etc.
01:20<ed_debian>jm_, What is a system call?
01:20<jm_>those are implemented in glibc, and glibc then uses system calls
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01:20<sney>I didn't know they made server-specific video cards beyond just slimming the regular ones down so they could fit. Last time I used a server that had VGA out it was just an intel thing.
01:20<ed_debian>jm_, glibc is a package (library)
01:20<sney>making a special video chip just so you can bung it onto a server motherboard seems like a waste of R&D
01:22<Joe__>back now
01:22<ed_debian>jm_, Thank you :)
01:22<Joe__>sney u there?
01:22<jm_>ed_debian: no worries
01:22<sney>I'm readin' wikipedia!
01:23<sney>so you're using a server are you joe
01:23<Joe__>its a big boy
01:23<Joe__>dual 2.0 quad
01:24<sney>4U form factor?
01:24<Joe__>no its not rack mount
01:24<Joe__>wish it was
01:24<sney>deskside? wheels?
01:25<Joe__>deskside yeah
01:25<Joe__>no wheels
01:25<Joe__>but big ass feet
01:25<sney>did you ever experience it using that 1680x1050 resolution before you started running linux on it? maybe with a previous windows install?
01:26<Joe__>hrmm not sure
01:26<Joe__>i remember seeing windows running
01:26<Joe__>but it wasnt on this monitor
01:26<Joe__>and not sure what the native resolution was on the monitor that i seen it on
01:26<sney>I'm thinking it probably can't do it
01:27<Joe__>yeah i thought that too
01:27<sney>but since your case is so huge, you can easily get a PCI card that can
01:27<chealer>sney: you have no idea about the variety of computer hardware. a server-specific GPU is nothing fancy.
01:27<Joe__>but then im like damn, this thing has 8 cores and 4GB of ram
01:27<sney>I have lots of ideas chealer
01:27<jm_>8 cores and just 4G of RAM? sounds wrong
01:27<sney>but until this ES1000 thing, server gpus were limited to die-shrunk versions of deprecated desktop models.
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01:28<sney>see: Rage XL
01:28<Joe__>im pretty sure ive seen other people in forums that got it working
01:28<sney>or were just integrated into the northbridge
01:28<Joe__>but can quite nail down what they did
01:28<sney>well joe, you could try forcing the res in xorg.conf. again, unless you tried that already...
01:29<Joe__>i tried forcing it with xrandr
01:30<sney>might have different results. but if you mess with xorg.conf and it doesn't work, you won't be able to get back into X unless you edit it back to how it was
01:30<sney>(you seem competent but I figured I'd drop the disclaimer anyway)
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01:32<sney>Joe__: Gentoo's predictably verbose docs have the lowdown about 2/3 of the way down the page, in section 4, "tweaking"
01:33<sney>the debian wiki should have this information, but it doesn't, and I don't want to add the page and then get in trouble with some guy because it bypasses the debian X configurator.
01:33<sney>so, gentoo docs. It won't hurt your install.
01:34<jm_>there is no debian x configurator anymore ;)
01:34<sney>there isn't? then why do we still not have xorgconfig?
01:34<jm_>because x server autoconfigures stuff
01:34<sney>but it doesn't always woooork
01:35<sney> includes xorgconfig for a reason, man.
01:35<sney>takin' stuff out with only bad consequences rassum frassum
01:35<jm_>this isn't debian specific
01:36<sney>it is when they removed the rational way of making it not a problem
01:38<chealer>Joe__: X is basically configured at start-time. at runtime, you can only choose between options that were configured to be supported at start-time.
01:38<jm_>more than 50% of people couln't figure out how to do it with debconf, let alone with some other low level tool - see the change to input config requiring some xml bullshit or changing default for DontZap option
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01:39<sney>xorgconfig is the one that asks you questions about your hardware and lets you pick the answers. I'm not saying make all new users go through it, since a lot of times the autodetect does work
01:40<sney>but by gum leave it in so if something is weird there's an easier solution than whining on IRC or messing around with conf files
01:42<jm_>one can always try X -configure
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01:44<ignore>i need some help
01:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:45<nas>why does horde session timeout timeout user even if there is activity?
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01:57<chealer>nas: did you ask #horde ?
01:58<ignore>chealer can i pm you?
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01:58<chealer>ignore: not unless you have something private to tell me.
01:59<chealer>not unless...that doesn't sound right
02:01*chealer should stop studying English
02:02<nas>chealer: there is no #horde
02:02<drakeman>hey chealer i thought that you are from USA..
02:02<gsimmons>nas: On freenode.
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02:03<dpkg>hmm... horde is The Horde Project is about creating high quality Open Source applications, based on <PHP> and the Horde Framework. #horde on
02:04<dpkg>i heard bitlbee is an IRC to other chat networks gateway, connect to IRC, ICQ, MSN, Jabber, AIM, <Skype> (via plugin), etc... with your favorite IRC client!, or /connect ; type `help', or, #bitlbee @
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02:04<chealer>!beer gsimmons
02:04*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for gsimmons
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02:06<chealer>drakeman: According to my parents, I'm from Quebec. Unfortunately, otherwise I don't know why I'd be reading a 24-page document on one of those nasty so-called "natural" languages.
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02:07<chealer>drakeman: According to my parents, I'm from Quebec. Unfortunately they seem to be right, otherwise I don't know why I'd be reading a 24-page document on one of those nasty so-called "natural" languages.
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02:14<bishop>anyone know of some alternitive non us debian servers? ... the default ones dont seem to work anymore
02:15<dpkg>hmm... non-us is where we placed software previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze or Sid. Ask me about <crypto> and <crypto in main>.
02:16<bishop>oh ok then so i can just remove it ? :-)
02:17<drakeman>chealer: i always wanted to go to canada, is like a future plan, hehe i dont know when but some day
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02:19<bbb8>i'd also like to go to canada,
02:20<bbb8>to smoke weed as much as possible :)
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02:22<chealer>drakeman: that leaves you a lot of choice about where precisely you want to go. you may be able to see Sarah Palin's room from somewhere in Canada. so you're from the USA?
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02:24<drakeman>No, im far away from CANADA and USa, im from Panama(Central America),
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02:24<drakeman>chealer: dont know what is Sarah PAlins room!!!
02:25<drakeman>chealer: but canada looks like a great country to live, to vacation, and beautiful girls! just like my type hehehe
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02:28<joe__>whats a good editor for x for writing php and html , something like ultraedit
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02:28<jm_>vim emacs ...
02:28<chealer>drakeman: don't worry, Sarah Palin is just an American politician. yes, Canada is "Le plus meilleur pays du monde." I wish you can discover it one day.
02:29<chealer>joe__: which desktop environment do you use?
02:29<drakeman>joe_ install wine and then editplus for windows, you can use quanta plus if you use kde, i think is for kde
02:30<drakeman>bluefish is another option!
02:30*simonrvn disagrees with that opinion
02:31<drakeman>chealer: yes, really i hope, many year ago the canadian embassy were recluting many people to live in canada, but in that time i had like 6 years old!
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02:32<joe__>chealer what is the best desktop enviroment?
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02:33<chealer>joe__: presumably GNOME or KDE, but I don't know GNOME enough to tell for sure.
02:34<joe__>which is the most popular, gnome or kde ?
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02:37<dpkg>popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at
02:37<simonrvn>joe__: go see for yourself ^^^
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02:45<chealer>joe__: nobody knows. there is no big difference, and this kind of thing is hard to measure particularly when the software is free. any source you could find on the subject may be biased.
02:46<joe__>got the resolution thing working
02:46<joe__>looks alot better like this
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02:50<Joemama_> /server 3667
02:50<Joemama_>sonofa bitchi this ahstfukc
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02:51<chealer>joe__: with xorg.conf or what?
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03:40<mosno_>hrm, lenny crashes and reboots when i open my laptop lid and press space after having it shut for a while
03:41<mosno_>where do i begin diagnosing this?
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04:05<locklace>mosno_: possible acpi problem
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04:06<locklace>mosno_: are you actually suspending when you close the lid?
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04:12<mosno_>locklace: whatever the default behaviour is for gnome. note i'm running lenny's xen kernel
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04:13<mosno_>locklace: also, the suspend seems to happen when i return to my laptop and open the lid:
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04:14<MrWell>qualcuno che parla italiano?
04:14<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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04:15<locklace>mosno_: first step is to take gnome and hal out of the equation
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04:17<locklace>mosno_: install the package "uswsusp" if you don't have it already. reboot with the kernel parameter "init=/bin/bash" and when you get a prompt, "mount /proc", "mount /sys" and then "s2ram -f -p"
04:17<locklace>mosno_: see whether suspend/resume work fine that way
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04:26<ghantoos>kapal: great! :) (sorry for the delay in my answer..)
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04:51<ga_bash>hi i need help installing a driver..
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04:51<ga_bash>i got a nvidia card into my laptop but i am not sure whether i have a driver working for it.
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04:54<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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04:57<ga_bash>dpkg, thanks
04:57<dpkg>ga_bash: de nada
04:57<ga_bash>dpkg, ??
04:57<dpkg>ga_bash: i don't know
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04:57<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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04:59<OdyX>ga_bash: dpkg is a bot which knows much - still a bot.
04:59<ga_bash>OdyX, yeah i figured that... :)
05:00<OdyX>!beer ga_bash
05:00*dpkg pours a litre of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for ga_bash
05:00<ga_bash>OdyX, thanks. lol
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05:05<locklace>!confuse ga_bash
05:05<dpkg>Yes, who is your pineapple yesterday, ga_bash? wellies of the democracy of belarus with extra cream
05:05<drakeman>well im going to sleep
05:05<drakeman>see you guys
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05:16<ga_bash>ha ha..
05:16<ga_bash>!confuse everyone
05:16<dpkg>No, what are their gerbil yesterday, everyone? lederhosen of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra ham
05:16<ga_bash>ha ha
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05:19<eeebittin>Hello do anyone know the most easy way to install Debian on an eee 900HD
05:19<eeebittin>does the Goodbye Microsoft Installer works?
05:19<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. #debian-eeepc on
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05:23<krakatoa>join #debian-es
05:25<locklace>you know you want to
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05:49<Sp00K>Hello, I'm having a VPS with strato. However it seems like I get german language when using apt as example. Does anyone know how to change this?
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05:50<jm_>Sp00K: change locale settings
05:50<Sp00K>jm_ : How? (I never had to deal with locale settings and stuff)
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05:51<llutz>Sp00K: "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
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05:52<Sp00K>Thanks :)
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05:53<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
05:54<Sp00K>Thats what i needed, thanks
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05:54<jm_>no worries
05:54<nazi>hello guys
05:54<nazi>is there someone german
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05:55<elveitie>ood morning
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05:56<elveitie>hello choce
05:57-!-elveitie is now known as niklas
05:57<niklas>is smebody here
05:58<Sp00K>jm_ I did that, and i even changed the file myself. I ssh'ed to localhost (to test it) however it doesn't change :S
05:58<niklas>where you live
05:59<jm_>Sp00K: check if ssh uses that in PAM config
05:59<niklas>is somebody from germany here????????????
06:00<Sp00K>jm_ ok :)
06:00<jm_>i.e. /etc/pam.d/sshd
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06:01<Sp00K> , So yes. However does it matter if I'm using plesk ?
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06:02<jm_>using plesk for what?
06:02<Sp00K>for my hosting stuff. I'm just wondering if it matters. Because my plesk also has german language as default :/
06:03<jm_>check what the output of 'locale' is once you login
06:03<jm_>also verify that PAM is enabled for ssh in sshd_config
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06:04<jm_>so you set LANG to nl but not the rest
06:04<Sp00K>theres only 1 line in /etc/default/locale
06:05<Sp00K>thats LANG
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06:05<jm_>yes, the rest must be set elsewhere
06:05<Sp00K>Do you have any idea ?
06:05<Sp00K>where i got to set those :/
06:06<jm_>no, check stuff in /etc and user's shell startup files
06:06<Sp00K>ok, thanks anyways :)
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06:10<deqc>hi all
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06:11<deqc>FEMA camp
06:11<dontforgetaboutme>hey how are you...=?
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06:12<niklas>counerstrice is a pussi game
06:13<locklace>niklas: run along and play now
06:13<locklace>!lart niklas
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06:13<dontforgetaboutme>yeah i think so, too
06:13<dontforgetaboutme>i hate you-.- *niklas
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06:14<locklace>must be "german troll day"
06:14<locklace>i forgot to mark my calendar
06:16<dontforgetaboutme>yes what "haaaaaaaaaaaaaallllo"?
06:16<niklas>hello guys wha are you doing
06:17<dontforgetaboutme>and the german troll day will eat you ^^
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06:18<dontforgetaboutme>yes, am am a troll and i am proud of it!
06:18<BloodyBastard>lkecke er sich di penn****
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06:18<Gemlinelite>hello guyes
06:19<dontforgetaboutme>another idiot
06:19<niklas>ello christian you bloody bast........
06:19<Gemlinelite>your an fucking nazi
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06:19<Gemlinelite>oh yes
06:20<Gemlinelite>you fuck your moher in her asshole
06:20<BloodyBastard>ihr idioten hier sind alle deutsch
06:20<BloodyBastard>und ihr sorecht english^
06:20<Gemlinelite>halts maul jan erik
06:20<niklas>bloddy bastard wer biste denn
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06:20<Gemlinelite>er ist jan erisch
06:20<Gemlinelite>nega neag schornsteinfeger
06:21<locklace>!ops Gemlinelite trolls
06:21<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: locklace complains about: Gemlinelite trolls
06:21<niklas>lena is hässlich
06:21<llutz>could someone please call their teacher back....
06:21<dontforgetaboutme>yeah pls
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06:21<Gemlinelite>hdf bastarde
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06:21<dontforgetaboutme>i think some people will be banned soon
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06:22<jm_>thanks for the cleanup
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06:30<maks>pg_upgradecluster 7.4 main
06:30<maks>Error: could not get cluster default encoding
06:30<maks>cmd is recommended in postgresql-8.3/README.Debian.gz
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06:31<@Myon>does --locale= fix that?
06:31-!-mode/#debian [-o Myon] by Myon
06:32<maks>tried already
06:32<maks>get the same result
06:32<maks> pg_upgradecluster --locale=en_US.UTF-8 7.4 main
06:32<maks>Error: could not get cluster default encoding
06:32<maks>stop:/home/mattems# pg_upgradecluster --locale=en_US.ISO-8859-1 7.4 main
06:32<maks>Error: could not get cluster default encoding
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06:34<Myon>7.4 might be too old
06:34<Myon>you can still manually create a new cluster and pg_dump the old one into it
06:34<maks>it is no longer running
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06:35<Myon>that might be the error
06:35<Myon>you need the PG instance running
06:35<maks>got removed
06:35<maks>i see
06:36<maks>plus this an old g4 powerpc box
06:37<maks>have no second one to rsync the db and start it from there
06:37<Myon>install 7.4 from etch and dump the data
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06:39<maks>thanks for input Myon
06:41<eeebittin>yay now my eeepc boots Debian 5.0 =)
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06:41<locklace>!beer eeebittin
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06:42<DTE>is it normal that when i load the drbd module the devices are not created?
06:42<Myon>I guess you'd need some user space program to configure it
06:43<DTE>normally i don't think
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06:45<DTE>ut i saw that sometimes devices are not created when a module is loaded
06:45<DTE>how can i check?
06:45<eeebittin> yay now my eeepc boots Debian 5.0 =)
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06:46<maks>cool 7.4 from etch installs and everything seems there.
06:47<maks>now i will retry the migration
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07:11<mosno_>locklace: thanks, i will try that
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07:21<mosno_>locklace: i wonder if i can resume from suspend-to-ram when everything but /boot is in LVM/LUKS
07:22<locklace>no reason why not
07:23<mosno_>locklace: well, the kernel would have to do that load-another-kernel trick...
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07:23<mosno_>because the logic to decrypt luks and read the swap on my lvm is in the kernel...
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07:24<locklace>it's suspend-to-ram, not suspend-to-disk
07:24<mosno_>but then again i guess it can just read the ram once it gets that far and do some magic
07:24<mosno_>oh yea
07:24<mosno_>does suspend-to-disk work in that scenario then, out of interest?
07:24<locklace>no idea
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07:28<olspookishmagus>hello does anyone know where can I find a debian mailing-list administrator?
07:29<petemc>isnt there a contact address in the headers of the mails?
07:29<olspookishmagus>of course there is, but I'd dedicate some-time in finding them on IRC
07:29<olspookishmagus>what I'd like to ask them is on what is the difference of replying off-list to replying on-list on a debian mailing list?
07:29<petemc>off list means not sent to the list
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07:30<petemc>you dont need an admin to tell you that
07:30<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. #debian-eeepc on
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07:32<olspookishmagus>petemc: you mean that it will send directly to the person who posted the particullar message?
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07:37<lukas>jo man
07:38<lukas>alles klar bei euch
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07:51<iiv>I've lost /etc/hosts file. Is there a http/ftp site where I can download files of Debian 5.0 default installation (i.e. installed system repository)?
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07:52<jm_>why bother with that for hosts file ...
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07:52<iiv>I just need one form default installation
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07:53<iiv>Is any such sites or not?
07:53<petemc>create the file yourself, put in<tab>localhost
07:54<jm_>indeed, and hostname, ipv6 entries are optional
07:54<themill>iiv: is the default from the lenny installer
07:55<Paul1959>can anyone help with this please? trying to increase font size in xterm (Lenny, IceWM, eeepc). Added line to .bashrc that didn't work so tried creating .Xresources with line and that didn't work either.
07:55<Paul1959>this is the instructions ui've been following
07:55<iiv>themill: thanks, but I thought some should be
07:56<jm_>Paul1959: what line?
07:57<Paul1959>just tried..... xterm*font: *-*-*-*-*-*18-*-*-*-*-*-*-* in .xresources
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07:57<jm_>Paul1959: changing font size in xterm is trivialy done once it's running too
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07:57<Paul1959>yeah i knoew ctrl+right click
07:57<jm_>you probably need something way more specific than that
07:58<Paul1959>tried font name and iso
07:58<Paul1959>also tried creating an alias in .bashrc as per that web page ^^^
07:59<jm_>try something simple like 8x16 - also try XTerm.vt100.font
07:59<Paul1959>might the fact that it's in this 'uxterm' wrapper be the problem
07:59<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. ask me about <bash eternal history>.
08:00<jm_>for uxterm resources see /etc/X11/app-defaults/UXTerm
08:01<Paul1959>i have no bashprofile - should I create one??
08:01<jm_>that depends - do you get a login shell in uxterm?
08:02<Paul1959>just a terminal window (excuse my newbiness)
08:02<Paul1959>no log in required
08:03<jm_>it can still start login shell but it typically doesn't - just check if your aliases are available - alias lists them
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08:03<jm_>and anyway, resources will work, just set them properly, and use xrdb if you modify the file after X is started
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08:04<Paul1959>if X is re-started i take it the resources get re-read?
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08:05<jm_>'appres XTerm' to see what's set for example
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08:05<Paul1959>well i couldnt get that to work as per that webpage by adding xterm*font: -*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*
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08:05<Paul1959>to my .Xresources file and restarting
08:06<Paul1959>(tried other font names too as listed in xselfont)
08:06<jm_>try XTerm.vt100.font: 10x20
08:06<jm_>also xterm -fn 10x20
08:06<locklace>and learn to use xrdb
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08:07<jm_>indeed, no need to restart X then
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08:09<Paul1959>this would be so much easier if the font was bigger LOL!
08:10<jm_>use 10x20
08:12<Paul1959>to see if xresources is having effect why dont i just manipulate font colour (less room for error)? e.g. XTerm*foreground: red
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08:14<Paul1959>well that doesn't work.
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08:15<Paul1959>"xterm" is correct case I checked
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08:18<knoppix_>holas ijos d eputa
08:18<knoppix_>comeme el rabazo mamon
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08:20<jm_>i.e. XTerm.vt100.foreground like I mentioned previously works fine
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08:35<Paul1959>must be doing something silly... i cannot get it to work. i've tried creating Xresources and Xdefaults files containing just the line xterm*foreground: red. if i do xterm -foreground red from a prompt it works fine
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08:39<ml|>Paul1959:did you save .Xdefaults <--- like so
08:40<jm_>please put it exactly like I said: XTerm.vt100.foreground: red
08:40<Paul1959>yep .Xdefaults and .Xresources
08:40<jm_>then verify with appress XTerm
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08:40<Paul1959>jm_ sorry i dont follow - where to put that Xterm....?
08:41<jm_>Paul1959: in .Xresources
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08:42<Paul1959>so xterm*foreground:
08:43<jm_>no, that's the full line:
08:43<jm_>XTerm.vt100.foreground: red
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08:46<Paul1959>no that doesnt work jm_
08:47<Paul1959>maybe change the case so xterm...blah
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08:49<Paul1959>nope. doesnt work.
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08:49<jm_>Paul1959: how are you starting it?
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08:51<Paul1959>from IceWM (so the window is entitled uxterm. but also tried invoking xterm from *that* window just in case
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08:51<jm_>ok then change it to UXTerm
08:51<jm_>instead of XTerm
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08:54<Paul1959>lol, no joy. is the case significant? my window is uxterm not UXTerm and XTerm is not a recognised command
08:54<Paul1959>i've used the lowercase variety
08:55<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. #debian-eeepc on
08:55<jm_>well either write what I say or I'll give up
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08:56<Paul1959>dpkg... i said that at the outset and i've installed via the debian wiki instructions for eeepc
08:57<EmleyMoor>I am trying to set up mlmmj - Debian's way seems to be at odds with the docs... do I need to do all the exim stuff? If so, how do I make it run as its own user?
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08:59<Paul1959>jm_ I've tried XTerm... and UXTerm... and neither work I'm afraid. Thanks very much for the help but it looks like i'm on a hiding to nothing with this one.
09:00<ml|>$ 'xrdb -merge .Xdefaults' <--- did you try after editing .Xdefaults
09:01<jm_>Paul1959: it works for me with uxterm from xterm package, now it's either a different one or you're not doing it right
09:01<ml|>or .Xresources
09:02<Paul1959>I just restarted X, it's quicker!
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09:05<ml|>i use
09:06<ml|>xterm*foreground: white works fine and tried jm_ XTerm.vt100.foreground: red and both work fine here
09:06<Paul1959>jm_ make a note.... I am an idiot
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09:07<jm_>Paul1959: what does the entire line with foreground look like?
09:07<Paul1959>it's not that......
09:07<jm_>also verify you don't have something else overriding it - verify with appres tool: appres xterm; appres XTerm; appres UXTerm etc.
09:08<Paul1959>it's a fundamental mistake
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09:10<Paul1959>i was editing my normal user forgetting I had done su a long time before. Sorry :(
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09:10<jm_>ok as long as it works
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09:10<jm_>would have caught it immediately with appres
09:10<Paul1959>dont know yet....but I'm going to try it now
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09:16<DTEIT>i cannot find a solution for drbd devices
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09:18<ml|>!tell DTEIT -about ask
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09:19<DTEIT>sorry....other things to do
09:19<DTEIT>why if i load drbd module
09:19<DTEIT>then the devices are not created?
09:20<Paul1959>the eagle has landed. that was a salutory lesson
09:20<Paul1959>thanks jm_ :D
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09:22<ml|>Paul1959: maybe change your PS1 for root, so it will be easier to tell when you are root
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09:22<ml|>i meant .bashrc
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09:23<DTEIT>why do i have to start the drbd service to create the drbd devices?
09:25<Paul1959>i need to do something for sure ;)
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09:27<Paul1959>xterm*font blah, blah in .Xresources is working now. Hurrah!
09:28<ml|>!congratulations Paul1959
09:28<dpkg>Oh BOY!! I won!!
09:30<themill>Paul1959: you can also change the xterm window title using PROMPT_COMMAND if you want. I generally have the box name (if it's an ssh connection) and the username (if it's not my regular login) in the title or konsole tab. Plus associated stuff (incl colour) in the prompt.
09:33<Paul1959>themill: in .Xresources?
09:34<themill>Paul1959: no, PROMPT_COMMAND is a command that is executed by bash just before showing you your PS1 prompt. Configure it in ~/.bash_profile if you normally use a login shell or in ~/.bashrc if not.
09:35<EmleyMoor>mainlog:2009-05-13 14:23:32 1M4EQm-0002ZT-LI == |/usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve -L /var/spool/mlmmj/tvcadmin/ <> R=system_aliases defer (-30): pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router
09:35<EmleyMoor>exim logs that when try to post to a mailing list I just set up
09:35<Paul1959>ok thank you
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09:46<johnfg>hi guys
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09:47<johnfg>I'm having trouble with the ntfs partition on the usb drive that debian's on. I went to fsck it, but get the error message back, fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found
09:47<johnfg>fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs for /dev/sda1
09:47<valdyn>johnfg: so you need to install it, duh
09:47<johnfg>Is that in some pkg that I can install? Or is it a flag that I missed?
09:48<valdyn>johnfg: it doesnt exist -> cant install it
09:48<johnfg>valdyn, Duh, except that I didn't name the pkg right when I tried to install it. Do you know what pkg it's in?
09:48<valdyn>johnfg: theres no fsck for ntfs
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09:49<valdyn>johnfg: maybe you really were looking for ntfsfix, but thats not fsck either, feature-wise
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09:49<johnfg>valdyn, I only have that partition because of backups for the , gulp, win xp pro that I have to have; any idea of a program that might fix that partition up?
09:50<valdyn>johnfg: not in linux
09:50<valdyn>johnfg: why would you think you need to fix anything?
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09:51<FilipeMaia>Is gtk2.0 broken in sid amd64? I'm getting undefined symbols after the upgrade.
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09:52<johnfg>Because I made a mistake in purchasing a Seagate in the first place (per many chidings from my peers here), a FreeAgent Pro; this is the 2nd drive, the first one having failed and a replacement sent out; this one is exhibiting the same kind of behavior, and seagate won't refund any money, only send out another replacement!
09:52<valdyn>johnfg: seagate drives are usually good drives
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09:52<valdyn>johnfg: maybe you really just have that known firmware issue
09:52<valdyn>johnfg: which could be fixed by that firmware upgrade
09:52<johnfg>valdyn, You're one of the few who think so, from here or in Fedora.
09:53<valdyn>johnfg: i have like 15 seagate drives
09:53<johnfg>Nope, I've got the latest firmware, but thanks for the suggestion.
09:53<valdyn>johnfg: i didnt see the reason for the fsck yet though
09:53<johnfg>I went through the whole litany with the support folks, and the drive failed.
09:53<valdyn>johnfg: yea, harddisks do break, whats new
09:53<johnfg>This one's at the same place as the previous.
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09:54<valdyn>johnfg: if you really need an fsck like thing, then you need to use windows
09:54<johnfg>valdyn, But I have never, since 100 years ago (slight exaggeration), had one break as this.
09:54<Baz00>Hi there!
09:54<johnfg>I.e., the same way, twice.
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09:55<valdyn>johnfg: thats alright, but doesnt help fixing the issue at hand
09:55<valdyn>johnfg: which is running fsck i think
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09:56<valdyn>FilipeMaia: no its not broken
09:57<valdyn>judd: versions libgtk2.0-
09:57<judd>valdyn: libgtk2.0- --
09:57<valdyn>judd: versions libgtk2.0-0
09:57<judd>valdyn: libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 sid: 2.16.1-2 squeeze: 2.16.1-2
09:57<valdyn>FilipeMaia: same as on squeeze too
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09:58<johnfg>valdyn, I think you're right, and I'd run it, from debian, if there's a way to make it work on an ntfs drive.
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09:59<valdyn>johnfg: you need windows
09:59<valdyn>johnfg: virtualised windows should work
09:59<valdyn>johnfg: i wouldnt try wine
10:00<johnfg>valdyn, OK, thanks for the help. Now, on another note: do you have any experience with configuring kerberos?
10:00<valdyn>johnfg: none
10:00<johnfg>OK. np.
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10:01<FilipeMaia>valdyn, so what's the reason of my missing symbols? I had to downgrade to lenny
10:01<valdyn>FilipeMaia: i cant know that
10:01<FilipeMaia>ldd -r /usr/lib/
10:01<valdyn>FilipeMaia: an error does not imply a specific cause
10:01<FilipeMaia>undefined symbol: g_dgettext (/usr/lib/
10:02<FilipeMaia>that was with the sid version
10:02<FilipeMaia>I found this
10:02<valdyn>FilipeMaia: no error here
10:02<FilipeMaia>But I have no /local libraries
10:03<valdyn>FilipeMaia: thats a glib symbol more likely
10:03<FilipeMaia>valdyn, ok but my programs crash with the same message
10:03<valdyn>FilipeMaia: sure, obviously they have to
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10:04<valdyn>FilipeMaia: the "broken" library would be libglib*
10:04<FilipeMaia>valdyn, might very well me
10:04<valdyn>judd: versions libglib2.0-0
10:04<judd>valdyn: libglib2.0-0 -- etch: 2.12.4-2+etch1 etch-security: 2.12.4-2+etch1 lenny: 2.16.6-1+lenny1 lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1 squeeze: 2.20.0-2 sid: 2.20.1-2
10:04<valdyn>FilipeMaia: which is *also* identical in sid and squeeze
10:04<FilipeMaia>valdyn, i know it's not specific to sid
10:04<valdyn>FilipeMaia: now if it was broken for real, then it sure wouldnt be in squeeze, sucha bug does not go unnoticed
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10:05<valdyn>FilipeMaia: show us the whole output of ldd -r /usr/lib/
10:05<FilipeMaia>valdyn, what I did was downgrade to libgconf2-4_2.22.0-1_amd64.deb libgtk2.0-0_2.12.12-1~lenny1_amd64.deb and gconf2-common_2.22.0-1_all.deb and things went back to normal
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10:07<valdyn> (0x00007f2112f7e000)
10:07<valdyn>FilipeMaia: look at the lines with no arrow
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10:08<valdyn>FilipeMaia: thats your error
10:08<FilipeMaia>valdyn, what's wrong with that?
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10:08<valdyn>FilipeMaia: thats not in /usr/lib/
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10:08<valdyn>FilipeMaia: maybe your LD_PRELOAD is set to something silly
10:09<valdyn>FilipeMaia: or LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set to something silly
10:09<FilipeMaia>valdyn, it's undefined
10:09<FilipeMaia>valdyn, LD_LIBRARY_PATH is defined to something, but it does not include glib
10:09<valdyn>FilipeMaia: sure, just a path
10:09<valdyn>FilipeMaia: a path probably containing that libglib
10:10<FilipeMaia>valdyn, i mean the paths that it's defined to don't contain libglib
10:10<valdyn>FilipeMaia: where is that file its linking against?
10:10<FilipeMaia>(I'm gonna double check now though)
10:10<FilipeMaia>valdyn, how would i know?
10:10<valdyn>FilipeMaia: locate
10:11<FilipeMaia>valdyn, ok so just searching
10:11<valdyn>FilipeMaia: maybe its at ~/Imaging/programs/hawk/Linux_x86_64/
10:11<FilipeMaia>I will look in the paths
10:11<FilipeMaia>maybe i did something silly like you said
10:14<FilipeMaia>ls `echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH | tr ':' ' '` | grep libglib doesn't return anything
10:15<FilipeMaia>valdyn, it is in ~/Imaging/programs/hawk/Linux_x86_64/ indeed!
10:15<valdyn>FilipeMaia: so LD_LIBRARY_PATH contains "./"
10:16<valdyn>FilipeMaia: or just "."
10:16<FilipeMaia>valdyn, so is the current working directory searched?
10:16<valdyn>FilipeMaia: not by default
10:16<FilipeMaia>my LD_LIBRARY_PATH does not include .
10:17<FilipeMaia>but something is going on definitely
10:17<valdyn>FilipeMaia: maybe /etc/ does then
10:17<valdyn>FilipeMaia: or maybe it contains /Imaging/programs/hawk/Linux_x86_64/
10:18<FilipeMaia>valdyn, it would have shoed up in the ls i did previosly
10:18<FilipeMaia>i'll check
10:19<FilipeMaia> doesn't seem to include .
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10:19<FilipeMaia>I'm going to try to upgrade again to sid
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10:21<FilipeMaia>valdyn, that was the problem no doubt! Thank you very much for the help
10:21<FilipeMaia>valdyn, i still don't quite understand how it picked up the library in that directory though
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10:22<FilipeMaia>valdyn, my LD_LIBRARY_PATH starts with a ":". Does that mean that the first empty entry correspond to the current directory
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10:23<FilipeMaia>It looks like it does!
10:24<FilipeMaia>Ok problem solved. I should fix my LD_LIBRARY_PATH. I wasn't aware of this behaviour. Thanks a lot for the help once again.
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10:32<vacamaud>Hi everyone.
10:32<pretxt>Hello :)
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10:33<vacamaud>I installed a new lenny on a server this week end, and I saw new processes : net.agent (from udev). I never saw it before, is it new ?
10:33<vacamaud>Here it is :
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10:34<vacamaud>It's apparently from the udev package ( ), but I checked on many other servers and I don't have any processes like this one.
10:35<vacamaud>Can it be because of a weird hardware (like the network card) ?
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10:38<mibman>I've installed the vim-python package. Now how do I enable vim to highlight my code?
10:38<mibman>I'm new to vim by the way.
10:39<mibman>And, no, I haven't tried emacs yet.
10:39<petemc>mibman: :syntax on
10:39<petemc>tho i dont know if vim-python needs more than that, its not something ive used
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10:41<ml|>mibman: ask in #vim on freenode
10:41<mibman>Well, it's started to highlight strings. And some of the loop operators.
10:42<mibman>Will do ml| Thanks though petemc.
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10:52<bja>How do I meassure compile time for a perl script?
10:52<petemc>tho, is that a trick question?
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10:54<bja>petemc: No its not a trick question, when you run a perl script, it gets read, compiled and then it gets executed. If compile time is big enough, the script should be translated into an allready compiled program. How do I meassure compile time?
10:54<bja>petemc: for a perl script?
10:54<petemc>if you have in depth perl questions, you might be better off asking in #perl
10:55<bja>petemc: Dead channel, posted my question yesterday, still waiting :(
10:56<themill>bja: try #perl on freenode -- there's almost 600 people in the channel there
10:56<petemc>tried on freenode?
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10:57<bja>themill: thx I'll take a look there
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10:58<gravity>bja: You could do time to a BEGIN statement
10:58<gravity>bja: There might also be a B:: module or something
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11:01<bja>for ther record "time perl -c "
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11:01<bja>It took them less than a minute to answear. Thank you guys
11:01<gravity>Ah, neat
11:02<themill>bja: that's going to include perl's start-up time as well as the compile time, but it's probably good enough for what you're trying to do.
11:03<themill>bja: you may want to check "man perlrun" to see what that does. The description is rather different to what you want, but it may be the docs are a little fuzzy compared to the reality (and #perl will know more than me on this!)
11:04<bja>themill: Yes it does, but then again what I usually look for is response time to the user, which is on the case of perl the time to show the first lines.
11:05<bja>themill: I did a tiny web site to solve a comunications problem within an enterprise, they are asking me to scale it.
11:05<themill>bja: man perlrun says it's a syntax check. I don't know how it does the syntax check, but I'd suggest that it's perfectly possible that syntax check != compile
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11:05<themill>bja: sounds fun :)
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11:07<bja>themill: When you have a problem and you just solve it for the best of your interest, you mix whatever you need. You are the one who knows what goes where, when you involve other people, then you have to make it fool proof, which btw is sometimes harder :)
11:08<themill>bja: just remember how ingenious fools are...
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11:18<bja>themill: By the time perl checks all the syntax and executes some parts, it allready compiled the whole program he he
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11:19<themill>bja: thought it might have. But there are plenty of syntax checkers (for other languages) that don't compile of course. Just making sure that the metric you are getting is the one you actually want.
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11:21<bja>themill: thx for bothering, it's not exactly what i was looking for but then again it will do.
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11:33<patrikf>hmh... suggestions for a hex editor that can cope with a 4 GiB file?
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11:35<danilo>i recent do a aptitude dist-upgrade but im having problem now, how can i fix, or force to fix aptitude problems
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11:35<patrikf>ghex2 reads everything into memory, hexedit's search slows down after 1/2 GiB, and even grep starts consuming an incredible amount of memory after a GiB or so
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11:37<walli1>what is lenny?
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11:38<dpkg>methinks lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-15: Ask me about <lenny release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.1>.
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11:47<mibman>Can anyone tell me how to open an xterm terminal? Or is the "terminal" under "Applications> accessories" the xterm terminal?
11:47<SlimeyPete>it's an xterm-compatible terminal, more or less
11:47<SlimeyPete>you can use it to do anything that you can do with xterm
11:48<mibman>But it's gnome terminal right? Some people are suggesting that I get xterm to get more colors, or something of the sort.
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11:48<mibman>And that xterm was installed by default.
11:48<mibman>So, I'm trying to dig around as to where I could possibly find it.
11:48<petemc>you could launch it from gnome-terminal
11:48<petemc>type xterm
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11:49<petemc>or if you have a debian menu, it should be in there
11:49<mibman>petemc: I'll go try that petemc.
11:49<petemc>i dont know about the more colours thing...
11:50<mibman>petemc: I get a "command not found" when I type in xterm.
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11:50<mibman>Maybe it's not installed by default.
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11:50<petemc>aptitude install xterm
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11:51<mibman>Haha. Good one petemc. Guess I'll just have to install it then.
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11:52<themill>That's two people today who actually wanted xterm... how odd. Is it "retro week" or something?
11:53<ml|>themill: heh
11:53<ml|>mibman: man xterm after it's installed
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11:55<mibman>themill: It was recommended apparently because it sports more colors. Apparently, my current terminal only supports 8. not sure if there are better candidates out there.
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11:56<mibman>ml| I'll probably install it after relogging on as admin later. I'll just have to make do with gedit for now.
11:56<petemc>mibman: try this script
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11:57<petemc>mibman: also you might find enlightening
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11:58<mibman>petemc: Shows exactly like the one on the page.
11:59<mibman>I haven't seen all of them yet though, I mean, as code highlights.
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12:04<bja>mibman: what terminal are you using?
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12:05<mibman>bja: The default one in debian lenny. Although, I don't really think I still need xterm though. I think I got my vim settings right now.
12:05<themill>!vim syntax highlighting
12:05<dpkg>rumour has it, vim syntax highlighting is a way to make vim highlight script or source code syntax. Install 'vim' (or 'vim-tiny') and 'vim-runtime' and type ':syntax on' when in vim. You can have it start each time with vim by adding 'syntax on' to your ~/.vimrc file. See See also <colored pager>.
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12:07<zoobab01>hi, looking for a mentor for packages openamq and xitami
12:08<bja>themill: Shouldn't it be :syntax enable on .vimrc ?
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12:08<bja>mibman: It depends more on the window manager you are using that on debian itself
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12:09<themill>bja: my vimrc foo is weak... but "syntax on" (no colon and no enable) works for me here...
12:09<mibman>themill: Yeah, it's highlighting properly now. I specifically wanted python highlighting, so I installed the vim-python package. Although, I'm not sure if it had any effect. I still had to download some stuff from the vim site to get it to work.
12:10<mibman>bja: I'm using gnome. So I guess it's gnome terminal.
12:12<bja>mibman: gnome-terminal is quiet powerful, uses less memory that xterm and it is indeed easier to configure. Why would you use xterm?
12:12<bja>mibman: Beats me, but then again its a free world?
12:12<mibman>bja: True.
12:12<gravity>It's slower than xterm
12:12<petemc>if your terminal has a darkground, you should use set background=dark in vim as well
12:13<bja>gravity: How do you meassure that?
12:13<ml|>petemc: does that make a difference?
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12:13<petemc>ml|: yes
12:13<mibman>Yeah, actually. Some guys just recommended it because it supports more colors.
12:13<ml|>petemc: how so?
12:13<petemc>mibman: try it yourself
12:13<petemc>mibman: it makes some things bold
12:13<petemc>and looks better, imo
12:13<gravity>bja: You don't even need a benchmark. Just put them side by side and run the same commmand in each that outputs a shitload of text and read
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12:14<gravity>bja: There's a very clear difference. xterm's rendering is fast because it had to be fast in the 80's. pango remains slow as hell.
12:14<mibman>petemc: I'm actually pretty okay with the colors now, since I've gotten python highlighting to work. I'll go try installing xterm after relogging in as admin next time.
12:14<gravity>That said, I still use gnome-terminal because I like the features
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12:14<petemc>tho gnome-terminal and screen used to sometimes not play well together
12:15<petemc>youd end up with a blue terminal window
12:15<bja>gravity: I think that kind of load is a little messy, I'll just have a programm that has a lot of output put in the screen je je :)
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12:15<mibman>And I'm not much of a power programmer or anything, really. I'm just trying to migrate to vim, to lessen the chances of getting carpal tunnel. Haha.
12:16<bja>mibman: get a pair of golf balls and play with them on your hand. It helps a heck of a lot :)
12:16<gravity>That's a good idea
12:16<petemc>you find fondling balls relaxing?
12:17<mibman>bja: Thanks. I'll go try that.
12:17<ComradeHaz>Hi chaps. How do I tell my install that my BIOS observes daylight savings time changes?
12:18<ComradeHaz>(if you want to tell me via gui, I'm running KDE4)
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12:19<bja>gravity: You are right, its really fast. Although there are no tabs :(
12:20<gravity>bja: Yeah. xterm's speed is its main selling point these days. tabs are one of the reasons I stick with gnome-terminal even though I'm helping maintain xterm
12:21<bja>gravity: take a look at gnome-terminal code to see if you can export tabs to xterm, I would be great :)
12:22<gravity>bja: They're entirely different toolkits. No way that's going to happen.
12:22<zedboy>holy moly, it's gimp 2.6!
12:22<gravity>Not without someone taking a radical interest in xterm
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12:22<ml|>i use urxvt with screen :)
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12:22<bja>gravity: Just a thought, what toolkit does xterm use?
12:23<bja>ml|: urxvt
12:23<patrikf>bja: none I think
12:23<azeem>bja: x toolkit
12:23<ml|>bja: rxvt-unicode (ouR XVT, unicode) - (a VT102 emulator for the X window system)
12:23<locklace>ml|: same here
12:23<ml|>locklace: nice :)
12:23<locklace>urxvtd is a great idea
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12:26<bja>ml|: mrxvt ??
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12:27<ml|>bja: have not used it
12:27<dmoerner>urxvtcd is the first thing i set x-terminal-emulator to on a new machine
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12:33<bja>Does anyone knows how to fix this "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `xserver-xorg-video-vmware' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed."
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12:34<locklace>is the package installed?
12:35<locklace>if so, look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-video-vmware.*
12:35<locklace>there should be a .list file showing all the files owned by that package
12:35<ml|>dmoerner: is urxvtd stable, like has it ever taken down all of your processes, thought of using that but that put me off
12:35<bja>locklace: Yes it is installe, the other day on a cleanning frensy i decided that it was part of vmwarez and decided to scrap it je je
12:36<locklace>ml|: i've never had a problem with it
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12:37<bja>locklace: A simple reinstall should do it
12:37<ml|>hmm maybe i will try using the deamon
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12:41<locklace>single background process that can host as many terminal windows as you want
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12:44<dmoerner>ml|: it has never crashed on me
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12:51<knoppix_>who is here
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12:52<locklace>cool zsh feature of the day: =foo expands to the full path of foo if it's in your PATH. so "which foo" becomes just "ls =foo" or "echo =foo", and `which foo` -> =foo.
12:52<bja>Is there a configuration file that you can put all your customizations for rxvt, there is no reference to it on the man page
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12:53<locklace>bja: its configuration is all in terms of X resources, so ~/.Xresources
12:53<locklace>they're all even listed in "urxvt --help"
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12:54<bja>locklace: I don't have that file any special syntax?
12:54<locklace>do you know about x resources?
12:54<bja>locklace: Not a clue
12:55<bja>locklace: thx
12:55<locklace>also check "man appres" and "man xrdb"
12:55<simonrvn>locklace: nice
12:56<bja>locklace: opened those on two different tabs thx
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13:01<ml|>bja: this might be helpful ... specially the browser stuff
13:03<locklace>ml|: don't you want your url launcher to open a new tab instead of a whole new browser?
13:03<ml|>locklace: it opens a new tab here
13:03<bja>ml|: thx taking a look at it
13:03<locklace>ok, interesting
13:04<ml|>locklace: and if browser is not open it will open it for you
13:05<bja>ml|: I admit I'm a rat, I copy paste your file thx :)
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13:06<ml|>bja: np use as you like, works great here, just edit it as you see fit
13:07<bja>ml|: thx
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13:07<ml|>locklace: urxvtc reads .Xdefaults correct ?
13:07<ranix>urxvt has trouble displaying unicode line draw characters
13:08<ranix>I prefer uxterm
13:08<locklace>ml|: it just uses x resources, you can set them however you want (.Xdefaults is deprecated)
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13:11<ml|>locklace: hmm did not know that about .Xdefaults, so should use .Xsession instead?
13:11<locklace>ml|: .Xresources
13:11<ml|>locklace: ok will change it then thanks
13:13<locklace>ml|: (see the entry for .Xresources under INPUT FILES in "man Xsession")
13:13<ml|>and to start the deamon in .xinitrc urxvtd -o -f -q
13:13<ml|>locklace: ok
13:14<bja>ml|: .xinitrc is in ~ ?
13:14<ml|>bja: yes
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13:15<bja>How do i log an irc session on irssi?
13:16<ml|>bja: dunno but try /help
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13:16<ml|>that $HOME/.Xdefaults is a relic from X Version 10 (and X11R1) days, before app-defaults files were implemented. It has been deprecated for over ten years at the time of this writing. .Xresources should be used instead.
13:16<locklace>bja: /help log
13:16<ml|>ten years!!!
13:17<locklace>yep, even i don't go back to X10
13:18<gravity>welcome to X
13:18<gravity>Here's your duster
13:19<ComradeHaz>Hi chaps. How do I tell my install that my BIOS observes daylight savings time changes?
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13:19<locklace>ComradeHaz: if your bios is changing your system time on its own, you should turn that off
13:20<locklace>that's utterly broken behaviour
13:20<ComradeHaz>and use power on at certain time anyway, so I'm happy with it like that
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13:20<ml|>ComradeHaz: why use ntp
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13:21<ComradeHaz>appears to be blocked
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13:22<ml|>locklace: and to start the deamon in .xinitrc urxvtd -o -f -q <--- should do it correct and open a ter with urxvtc
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13:23<locklace>i have urxvtc bound to a key
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13:24<ml|>got it will give the deamon a try and thanks for the info on .Xdefaults, I feel like relic about now
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13:24<bja>ml|: Time never stops je je
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13:25<ml|>locklace: i use xmonad so shift-mod-enter does the trick here :)
13:26<locklace>what does that do
13:26<ml|>will need to rewrite my config file tho
13:26<ml|>xmonad = the best wm ;)
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13:27<locklace>right, was just wondering what your shift-mod-enter is bound to
13:27<ml|>oh, lauches a term set in my hs
13:28<locklace>i don't think i really want a tiling wm. i also don't think i want to deal with configuring my window manager in haskell. ;)
13:29<bja>locklace: What wm do you use?
13:29<locklace>fluxbox for now
13:29<ml|>hehe i love it tho :)
13:32<bja>locklace: Is fluxbox similar in its behaviour to sawfish?
13:32<locklace>never heard of sawfish
13:34<bja>locklace: Its not actually a wm but it used to be the gnome standard before nautilus
13:35*locklace still remembers building Motif by hand just to get the awesome mwm
13:36<locklace>the awesomeness in this case relative to twm
13:36<bja>locklace: was it tom's version ? je je
13:36<bja>locklace: You are giving away your age
13:37<locklace>cde killed motif for me (if it wasn't dead already)
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13:40<gravity>People seem to like awesome as a tiling wm
13:40<locklace>yeah, i had a look at it and thought i'd try it out if i ever felt compelled to use a tiling wm for some reason
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13:41<gravity>Yeah, that's my sense too. I liked xmonad a bit, but recompiling it to get plugins turned me off. That and I don't really need a tiling wm
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13:43<locklace>i like fluxbox, it's small, fast, nicely organised, simple support for effects like transparency, fully configurable in a straightforward way
13:43<locklace>can't think of anything else i need from a wm, really
13:44<ml|>i used to use openbox before xmonad
13:44<bja>locklace: I'll take an indepth look at it for a few user with old hw
13:46<gravity>Transparency? Does flux have a compositing manager now?
13:46<bja>Time to go, one heck of a productive day on irc
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13:46<locklace>gravity: no, it just has hooks to call out to transset-df if you're running xcompmgr
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13:47<locklace>but it behaves "as if" the trans stuff is native, i.e. you can set window transparency using the gui, and tell it to remember transparency settings for apps, etc.
13:49<gravity>Right, that makes sense. Not very performant, but useable.
13:49<ml|>if for some reason i need to change my wm will give fluxbox a try
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13:49<locklace>yeah, it performs well enough here
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13:49<locklace>given that (as someone observed) xcompmgr is one huge bug
13:50<gravity>Pretty much
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13:52<locklace>i also had to compile my own transset-df since it appears the debian version is languishing in experimental, of all places...
13:53<locklace>some licence problem or something
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14:02<msoos>Hey all! I can crash my debian-unstable kernel anytime (NULL pointer dereference in the intel video driver) by suspending - if I give no_console_suspend, I get the kernel crash log. How can I instruct the kernel to save this log to a file, so that I can submit it to bugzilla?
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14:04<petern>write it down :)
14:04<petern>or it might end up in your system log
14:04<simonrvn>msoos: less /var/log/syslog
14:04<msoos>simonrvn: it's not there
14:04<simonrvn>check the others ones, including dmesg
14:04<msoos>is there a way to log it? Nope, not in dmesg
14:05<locklace>msoos: anything in /var/log/kern.log
14:05<locklace>for obvious reasons, recording kernel panic messages on disk is a dicey proposition
14:05<simonrvn>at worst you could c&p with gpm to a file
14:05<simonrvn>14:04 < simonrvn> check the others ones, including dmesg
14:06<msoos>locklace: I know... but I am an informatics PhD, there must be a way ;)
14:06<locklace>msoos: if someone has figured out a consistent way to do it, i'd like to hear about it
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14:06<simonrvn>funny since mine show up in syslog just fine...
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14:07<msoos>locklace: apparently there is a way to connect through serial port... then log is dumped to serial, which is another machnie I can copy-paste from...
14:07<msoos>But through serial? I can do that, but where will I find a serial terminal? :O
14:07<locklace>msoos: not exactly an optimal solution, though
14:08<msoos>I would be happy with some other solution, e.g. ssh, but I don't think that will work :D
14:08<locklace>i think it should dump to swap
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14:08<msoos>Hmm... ok, how to I examine the swap then?
14:08<locklace>i mean, it doesn't as far as i know, but it ought to ;)
14:09<msoos>Well, yeah, that would make sense... it's corruptable data anyway
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14:09<locklace>that's the usual solution for recording crash dumps
14:09<locklace>maybe linux is behind the pack here instead of ahead of it for once
14:09<msoos>hmmm, great. I will take pictures of my screen. Only thing is, I hate digital cameras, so it will be funny :)
14:10<simonrvn>sometimess yes, it's very much laggy
14:10<msoos>(I have no digital cameras)
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14:11<locklace>msoos: might try searching around kernel-hacker archives, maybe they've buried some flag somewhere that will do the right thing. you'd think so considering how much time they spend generating panics and sending them back and forth
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14:17<msoos>locklace: that's 2002
14:17<msoos>there is a good way, though, just found it:
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14:19<locklace>ah hah
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14:23<locklace>i wonder if you really need to go through all that though to just to save a panic message
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14:24<locklace>and can you even get the panic message? seems like it just gives you the core, which is fine if you're planning to gdb it, but...
14:28<ranix>I would just use a tty console
14:28<ranix>what's the big deal
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14:33<kop>I upgraded a system from etch to lenny. After the upgrade the apt-utils package was not installed. I noticed because I got a message about configurations being delayed because the package was not installed. Have some packages not been configured (aside from the one I noticed) and what should I do to make sure everything is configured?
14:34<kop>I have already installed apt-utils manually.
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14:37<chealer>kop: # dpkg --configure -a
14:37<kop>chealer : Thanks.
14:38<kop>(Humm. Looks like there was only one. Strange.)
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14:39<msoos>bye... will try tty through USB
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14:41<kop>There also seem to be a number of packages that are unintsalled but not purged. Should I pay any attention to these or just purge them all? Nothing looks like anything I want, although some (lvm-common) are a little scary. (I assume that lenny has gotten rid of the need for the lvm-common package....)
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14:42<gravity>kop: Unless you care about the config files they've left behind, I wouldn't worry about it
14:43<dondelelcaro>kop: lvm-common was replaced with lvm2
14:43<kop>gravity : That what I thought. It's just a little odd that there's nothing noted in the release notes regarding leftover config files.
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14:52<xemacs4321>how long does aide-init take to run ? i have 1.4T of disks
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15:37<fsckedagain>ok, some serious weirdness here.
15:38<fsckedagain>I have a VM running on vmware esx and when I upgraded tools, everything *looks* fine, but I can no longer ping my gateway or anything on that interface except for one other vm.
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15:42<Sebboh->What's that tool that is the answer to "how do I compile a custom kernel the Debian way"?
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15:45<chealer>!tell Sebboh- about kp
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15:47<xemacs4321>I just got spammed by user dinsport
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15:52<ml|>xemacs4321: you will get more help in #oftc
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15:54<xemacs4321>ml|, figuring it out
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16:02<mimmu>Hey is there a way to connect to the microsoft outlook web access on lenny? I tried changing my user agent to IE but then it gave me a very broken interface. Without changing the agent it wont let me login at all, clicking the login button does nothing
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16:04<bja>mimmu: A friend of mine uses firefox and there is no problem with it. Seen it on XP and on lenny (iceweasel)
16:04<sep>mimmu, think thats a exchange setting (to allow other clients) i have to find excuses not to read my mail daily since i can login fine with lenny /iceweasel
16:05<mimmu>haha, good work sep
16:05<sep>might depend on the owa version tho...
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16:05<bja>sep: A good excuse is the bandwith limit is so small that it times out before i get responses
16:06<bja>sep: Although it is easily correctable :(
16:06<sep>nobody would buy that where i work ( i have 1 Gbps at home)
16:06<bja>ja ja
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16:09<mimmu>right now when I click on the login button absolutly nothing at all happens, same when i try the opera user agent. would this make sense if its not configured to allow any other user agents?
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16:12<famelix>please! where is the debian-pt?
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16:13<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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16:18<bja>famelix: try #debian-br
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16:20<QueenInfamous>nqkoi da znae kak moga da si sloja font ot ubuntu na windows? :>
16:20<QueenInfamous>woops,wrong :)
16:20<QueenInfamous>excuse me.
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16:23<jrk______>i have ASRock K7NF2-RAID mainboard
16:24<jrk______>and i debian 5.0.1 netinst doesn't detect properly network card
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16:25<jrk______>it's strange for me becouse it works with freebsd, knoppix, dsl, puppy, windows
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16:29<locklace>jrk______: have you tried a backported installer
16:29<dpkg>For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see
16:30<Sebboh->jrk______, I always use the latest daily built business card d-i, even if I'm building an old-stable machine.
16:30<monoglets__>I have a problem with joystick analog usb ; I'm running Debian lenny and he not recognize the joystick... i try to make modules but not worked
16:30<jrk______>i created usb with unetbootin-windows-323.exe so i actualy don't know what it was
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16:30<bja>X startup file??
16:30<ranix>or just xinit
16:31<ranix>define 'startup file'
16:31<locklace>dpkg: kmuto is also d-i backport
16:31<dpkg>okay, locklace
16:32<bja>man xrdb 3rd line on DESCRPTION
16:32<locklace>bja: debian does weird, eldritch things to the x startup process
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16:32<locklace>bja: long story short, end your .xinitrc with ". /etc/X11/Xsession"
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16:33<Sebboh->locklace, thank you for my word of the day.
16:33<bja>locklace: I was getting that feeling and thx for the . /etc/X11/Xsession
16:33<jrk______>dpkg: for usb stick should i download "lenny-custom-0302.iso" or "boot.img.gz"?
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16:33<dpkg>You are moron #1, jrk______
16:34<Sebboh->#1! wow.
16:34<locklace>!confuse jrk______
16:34<dpkg>Yes, them was my gerbil tomorrow, jrk______? shirts of the republic of tahiti with extra ham
16:34<Sebboh->somebody must have rebooted.
16:34<ml|>locklace: is that really needed in .xinitrc?
16:34<locklace>ml|: define "need"
16:34<jrk______>english is not my native lang so a don't understand
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16:35<Sebboh->jrk______, dpkg is a bot, not a person. Also, your nickname isn't very good.
16:35<locklace>!nickometer jrk______
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16:35<dpkg>'jrk______' is 99.9549% lame, locklace
16:35<locklace>wow. that's pretty lame.
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16:35<dpkg>[blu-ray disc] an optical disc storage medium capacity of 25GB per layer. The Debian CD team now produces Blu-ray Disc images of <Lenny> and weekly <Squeeze> builds for i386, amd64 and source architectures, available via _jigdo only_. Ask me about <jigdo>, <install lenny> and <weekly builds> source].
16:35<jrk______>yea very funny
16:35<ml|>locklace: in order for things to work, I don't have that and have no probles
16:35<Sebboh->this chat buffer looks like an unpopulated mad-lib, thanks to that nick.
16:35<stuckey>Are we able to play hd blu-ray movies in debian?
16:35<jrk______>1st: am not faliliar with irc
16:36<Sebboh->jrk______, don't worry, you'll learn. We're just teasing you. :)
16:37<locklace>ml|: if things work for you, great. basically what they've done is tried to orient everything around Xsession and deprecate .xinitrc in favour of .xsession, but when i tried to use it it didn't work and i eventually settled on the .xinitrc + "call /etc/X11/Xsession at the end" trick
16:38<locklace>ml|: if you don't have that line in your xinitrc then it won't call the scripts in /etc/X11 which do housekeeping things like xrdb -merge your .Xresources, etc.
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16:38<jrk______>for me it is no big problem becouse i use forums of only ifi have some problems
16:38<ml|>locklace: what was happening without that in your xinitrc
16:39<locklace>don't remember, and i fully intend to leave the memories buried
16:39<jrk______>so all you can mock/sneer/sneer
16:39<ml|>locklace: ok lol
16:40<locklace>jrk______: we told you what to try at the very beginning, but i guess you don't really want to solve your problem
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16:41<jrk______>i want but there are two images and i dont know which one should i download to work properly with unetbootin-windows-323.exe (so i am downloading both and i will try)
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16:43<locklace>jrk______: for unetbootin you should just use the .iso
16:43<jrk______>locklace: thx :)
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16:43<stuckey>I get this error WARNING: /dev/vboxdrv not writable for some reason.
16:43<stuckey>Using virtualbox-ose
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16:44<locklace>stuckey: i'd hazard a guess that that happens because /dev/vboxdrv is not writable
16:44<stuckey>I did "adduser stuckey vboxusers" and logged out
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16:45<stuckey>I'm a member of the vboxusers group...
16:46<locklace>stuckey: paste "ls -l /dev/vboxdrv" and "groups" output
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16:49<jrk______>locklace: boot.img is raw image of usb-stick? (e.g. "dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sda")
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16:49<stuckey>stuckey dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev vboxusers
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16:49<stuckey>crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 59 2009-05-13 22:36 /dev/vboxdrv
16:50<locklace>jrk______: probably, but i thought you were going to use the iso file instead
16:50<locklace>!lart stuckey
16:50*dpkg judo chops stuckey
16:50<locklace>what is the group of that file stuckey
16:50<locklace>and are you in the root group
16:51<jrk______>bot boot.img.gz dowloaded first (so i unpacked it out of curiosity)
16:52<stuckey>locklace: working now :0
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16:52<locklace>in case you made it work by doing the wrong thing, the right thing is to "chgrp vboxusers /dev/vboxdrv"
16:53<stuckey>haha thanks
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16:55<stuckey>Are we able to play back hd blu-ray movies in debian?
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16:58<jrk______>thanx for now
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16:59<pwork>Hello, I work on a Debian Lenny 64b and installed a Lenny 32b in a chroot. The problem is that I can't start X applications when chroot-logged as a normal user. I installed all the X and xf86 packages in the chroot. Can you show me the point I'm missing please ? Need the host X session to be shared with the chroot ? if yes, how ?
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16:59<pwork>When running the host, I have no pb with X
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16:59<locklace>pwork: can you start x in the chroot environment as root
17:00<pwork>For example : xpdf --> Error: Can't open display:
17:00<zedboy>pwork: don't you just need to make sure your DISPLAY is set correctly, and the app will talk to the 64b server over the socket?
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17:00<pwork>locklace: No, under host as under chroot, I can't start X applications with root
17:00<pwork>locklace: I believe this is normal
17:00<zedboy>pwork: export DISPLAY=:0.0
17:02<pwork>zedboy: Thanks :) I thought this had been copied from the host user config files to the chroot, but it seems that it was not.
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17:02<zedboy>pwork: no it's usually set when you login from xdm/gdm/whatever
17:03<locklace>pwork: oh, you're just trying to run x clients in the chroot and not the x server?
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17:03<pwork>zedboy, ok, I add it to the chroot .bashrc so
17:03*bja goes running for a coolant for locklace's keyboard
17:03<pwork>locklace: yeah sorry, I forgot to tell that the X server is already started in the host
17:04<pwork>Did not know that the X server was shared between host and chroot. I supposed a second X server was started in the chroot
17:05<locklace>pwork: you can set it up however you want. did setting DISPLAY allow you to run an x client in the chroot and have it show up on the host x?
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17:08<pwork>locklace: Yeah, I did set DISPLAY accordingly to zedboy advice, and could start xpdf from the chroot
17:09<locklace>ok. you can also run an x server in the chroot if you feel like it
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17:09<pwork>locklace, I would prefere yeah, since the host X server is 64b, and it would be more suitable to run a 32b X server in the chroot
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17:10<eeebittin>Hello, do somone know what wifi drivers i need for an eeepc 900HD?
17:10<jrk______>it's me again. unfortunately it doesn/t works
17:10<pwork>eeebittin: Did you get some more info about your wifi device with a lspci command ?
17:11<locklace>eeebittin: did you consider clicking the big "HowTo Wifi" link on the page you just asked the bot to show you
17:11<locklace>!doesn't work
17:11<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> <errors>
17:12<pwork>locklace: Thanks for pointing out that 2 X servers can run simultaneously in host and chrrot. I'll google it to do so.
17:12<eeebittin>pwork: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8199 (rev 22)
17:12<locklace>pwork: synopsis: "X :1"
17:12<bja>!beer for locklace
17:12*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Optimator for for locklace
17:12<pwork>Thanks :)
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17:13<eeebittin>its ralink
17:13<locklace>!quote bja
17:13<dpkg>BJA: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A
17:13<jrk______>i give up and i try to install by debootstrap from knoppix (i dont like it because i had mess in "/dev" directory last time i did it)
17:13<locklace>that was odd
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17:15<jrk______>so thanx
17:15<jrk______>goodbye :*
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17:18<ml|>locklace: I tried /etc/X11/Xsession in xinitrc but doesn't work here
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17:19<ml|>it tries to start openbox instead of xmonad
17:19<chealer>eeebittin: Realtek and Ralink are not the same.
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17:19<bja>ml|: don't forget the ". " before /etc...
17:20<bja>It does the trick
17:20<ml|>bja: yes it's there
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17:21<ml|>oh well, things seem to work fine with that
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17:23<eeebittin>i think i need the rtl8187se driver how do i install it?
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17:26<chealer>!tell eeebittin about rtl8187se
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17:45<ml|>bja: btw what problems where you having that you had to place that in .xinitrc?
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17:53<RichiH>i have an intel dg9560t main board, a areca 1680 controller, a 3 TiB RAID, a GPT partition table and debian lenny. it installs just fine, but i can't boot
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17:56<RichiH>the bios tells me there is no bootable device
17:57<RichiH>bootstrapping over an intel bios update cd works, strangely enough
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18:03<locklace>RichiH: how does the bios boot configuration work, eg what options does it give you
18:04<RichiH>boot order
18:04<RichiH>that's it
18:04<locklace>RichiH: so you can boot from cd but not hd?
18:04<locklace>and the exact message it gives you when you try?
18:05<RichiH>no bootable devices found
18:05<locklace>ok, so it doesn't like the partition table/mbr
18:06<locklace>or, it actually can't see the disk at all - not sure if you can confirm either way from in the bios config
18:07<ml|>locklace: according to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc already invokes global X session script maybe why I have no issues
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18:08<locklace>ml|: but you aren't invoking that file, you're invoking your own .xinitrc instead
18:09<ml|>locklace: yeah, dunno what i was thinking
18:09<ml|>gtg ttyl
18:10<locklace>easy way to check whether you're invoking the system scripts indirectly is to see whether the things you put in .Xresources get added automatically when you start x
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18:17<bja>ml|: I was looking at the xrdb man page, because I didn't know how to set up urxvt
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18:23<eeebittin>i need wlan drivers for Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8199 (rev 22)
18:23<eeebittin>what to get?
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18:27<locklace>eeebittin: it would be nice if you actually read the wiki you keep printing
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18:41<bja>Why on earth if I pick the same font and the same size, I get three different fonts and sizes on three different terminal (gnome-terminal, mrxvt, urxvt)?
18:41<deniz>is it possible to upgrade from lets say sarge to lenny or etch to squeeze? (like is it possible to skip a version or do you need to upgrade a version at a time?)
18:41<adama>it is highly recommeded to go one release at a time
18:41<bja>deniz: Stay on the safe side go one by one or do a fresh install
18:42<deniz>bja, ok but id just like to know if it's possible and i'm assuming by your answer that it is?
18:42<Knorrie>just one release step at a time
18:43<adama>I'm pretty sure it would be possible
18:43<adama>but not recommended and not supported here
18:43<Knorrie>better safe than sorry :)
18:43<bja>deniz: I believe nothing is imposible, but then again, you are on your own and the territory I believe is uncharted
18:44<bja>deniz: By no means would I attempt to do that on a production server.
18:44<Knorrie>a new release often handles some transition issues etc
18:44<Knorrie>stuff that depends on stuff etc
18:44<deniz>even when going from stable to stable?
18:44<Knorrie>from old-old-old-stable to stable... :)
18:44<patrikf>deniz: the thing is that packages e.g. in lenny handle transition from etch
18:45<Knorrie>packaged in etch handle transition from sarge
18:45<deniz>ok so in other words, the developpers only planned version 1 to go to version 2 lets say and not jumping from like 1 to 3 so while jumping is possible, it is more likely to go wrong since the developpers didn't plan it out?
18:46<deniz>Knorrie, it's possible to do apt-cdrom0 add then apt-get dist-upgrade right? and no internet connection should be needed?
18:47<Knorrie>if it's sarge->etch or etch->lenny i guess so
18:48<deniz>yay :)
18:48<deniz>k thx
18:48<Knorrie>dunno what 'cdrom' you've got
18:48<bja>deniz: If your servers haven't crashed take a look at you /etc/apt/sources.list check where they are pointing
18:48<Knorrie>if it's an official release cdrom, you should be safe
18:49<bja>deniz: Maybe the best road would be to uste aptitude and simulate first each of the steps you are planning to do
18:49<locklace>bja: probably in one or more of them you aren't actually picking the font you think you are
18:50<deniz>bja, how do u simulate? and only aptitude? not apt-get?
18:50<Knorrie>deniz: (needless to say) it's always recommended to keep up with the releases
18:50<locklace>bja: because of the mind-numbing schizophrenia that is the x font system of today, every program has its own syntax and method for choosing fonts of various types
18:50<Knorrie>deniz: aptitude --help
18:51<bja>!tell deniz about why aptitude
18:51<Knorrie>-s means 'simulate' iirc
18:51<Knorrie>aptitude is recommended instead of apt-get now because of the better depends/etc handling
18:51<Knorrie>less need for running deborphan etc
18:51<locklace>bja: for example, to use a freetype font in urxvt you say "xft:<freetype font spec>" anywhere it has a font option, whereas in xterm you use -fn or -fa depending on whether you want an x font or a freetype font
18:51<bja>locklace: I stated them on Xresources for each one and then Its funny
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18:52<bja>locklace: So you don't have standar way of saying things on Xresources ?
18:53*Knorrie also does not understand fonts on linux already
18:53<locklace>the problem isn't x resources, it's font configuration
18:53<Knorrie>too much different config and things
18:54<locklace>i'm on an excruciatingly slow link, sorry for response delays
18:54<bja>locklace: no problemo, I have one of those at home
18:55<locklace>fortunately i cracked some wep/wpa keys or i'd be totally screwed
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18:56<locklace>!lart telcos
18:56*dpkg --purges telcos
18:56<bja>locklace: Is that legal? Noo I don't want to know
18:58<bja>deniz: man aptitude / --simulate
18:58<bja>deniz: man aptitude / safe-upgrade
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19:08<skatman1744>Hi, I want to open links in thunderbird with iceweasel instead of konqueror, with update-alternatives it worked but I wonder if there is a way to change that for a single user only
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19:09<skatman1744>shouldn't there be some file in my home directory to do that?
19:12<locklace>there should be some thunderbird config setting to do it
19:13<locklace>!fgi skatman1744 thunderbird-choose-browser
19:13<skatman1744>I launched the config editor and searched for "browser" but didn't find anything interesting
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19:18<Anatolia>hey guys, how can I see if I have my nvidia card installed?
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19:19<locklace>Anatolia: look inside the case
19:19<Anatolia>locklace: driver wise
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19:19<locklace>lspci -k
19:20<locklace>actually that's not likely to say much for video i guess unless you're using framebuffer
19:20<Anatolia>does debian install the vesa drivers by default?
19:20<locklace>are you asking about x drivers?
19:20<Anatolia>I'm not sure, I just want to be able to use this graphics card somewhat
19:21<Anatolia>I don't think it's installed correctly, or I'm using the open source drivers, 'cause youtube videos are choppy
19:21<locklace>"aptitude search '~i~nnvidia"
19:21<locklace>"aptitude search '~i~nnvidia'"
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19:22<Anatolia>this is what I get: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2)
19:22<Anatolia> Kernel modules: nvidiafb
19:22<locklace>well, you are using the framebuffer then ;)
19:22<Anatolia>what does that mean?
19:23<locklace>in addition to the above, also "aptitude search '~i~nxserver-xorg-video'"
19:23<locklace>run those two commands
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19:24<Anatolia>I don't get any response of any kind from either of those commands
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19:26<locklace>you are running x right
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19:27<locklace>how about "grep autoconfig /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
19:28<Anatolia>where do I put that?
19:29<locklace>it's a command, just like the others
19:29<Anatolia>okay, 'cause it did the same thing as all the others, nothing.
19:29<locklace>you are entering these at a shell prompt, right?
19:30<locklace>well, "more /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and start reading
19:30<locklace>all kinds of info there about what kind of hardware X detected
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19:42<bja>What is the Debian way of initiating a demon on X start up?
19:42<dondelelcaro>bja: depends, but typically you'd shove it into .Xsession (or whatever method your desktop uses)
19:43<bja>dondelelcaro: What method does gdm use?
19:43<bja>and if there is a user by user way?
19:43<dondelelcaro>bja: depends which GDM session you're using
19:43<bja>dondelelcaro: How do I get that
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19:44<dondelelcaro>I think there's a gnome equivalent to .Xsession, but I personally don't use gnome, so I can't tell you
19:44<bja>dondelelcaro: I don't use gnome I use ion3
19:44<locklace>bjaWHAT DO YOU WANT TO START
19:45<bja>But since "/etc/init.d/gdm restart " restarts the xserver
19:45<bja>locklace: Never mind, urxvtd
19:45<locklace>bja: it goes in .xinitrc
19:45<locklace>or .xsession if you're using that instead
19:45<bja>locklace: Tried at ~/.xinitrc and nothing started
19:46<bja>no ~/.xsession
19:46<locklace>right if you're using a display manager then you should use .xsession instead
19:46<locklace>.xinitrc is when you start x with xinit/startx
19:47<bja>locklace: Got that one renaming
19:47<bja>restarting X
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19:49<bja>locklace: Stuck, it doesn't seem X parsed ~/.xsession
19:49<locklace>what did it do
19:49<dondelelcaro>bja: it'll use .session if you're using the Debian session.
19:50<bja>locklace: Nothing
19:50<dondelelcaro>(or at least, it used to; xdm certainly does)
19:51<locklace>nothing what, nothing it didn't start at all, or nothing it didn't run what you put in there
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19:51<locklace>dondelelcaro: what is a debian session?
19:52<bja>locklace: It didn't run anything I put there
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19:53<locklace>bja can you try it with just running an xterm in there or something
19:54<locklace>also check .xsession-errors
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19:54<bja>locklace: /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
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19:56<bja>dondelelcaro: .session didn't work either
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19:59<bja>Let me see if I'm getting things right. Each wm just puts on its different file for session management?
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20:00<locklace>the way it's supposed to work is, you start x from the commandline using startx, and the stuff in your .xinitrc gets run. simple as that.
20:01<locklace>the last thiing you put in there is your wm, and you don't put an "&" after it, so when it terminates, so does x.
20:01<locklace>then display managers showed up and started complicating everything, and then debian decided to add a meta layer on top of all that
20:02<locklace>all i can suggest is that you read "man Xsession", grovel through the contents of /etc/X11, and pray
20:02<locklace>(or use startx instead)
20:02<bja>locklace: The part about praying started sometime this morning
20:02<bja>je je
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20:07<dpkg>it has been said that xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession instead, ask me about <.xinitrc> for the reason. Also ask about <xsession>.
20:07<dpkg>.xinitrc is probably actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1)
20:08<locklace>"work", hah
20:08<dpkg>hmm... xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips:
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20:10<bja>naah I don't believe it
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20:11<bja>locklace: startx works, it does run .xinitrc but then there are some scripts that are not running well since I lost the keyboard coding under X, I'll just have to work on it overnight
20:11<locklace>that's why you put the ". /etc/X11/Xsession" at the end
20:12<locklace>or maybe it's something to do with hal, god help you
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20:14<bja>locklace: Since both are scripts, I'll simply add an "echo I am alive" to see what is going on. Wish me luck since I have to go.
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20:26<axlrose>I'm running lenny, is there a reason Fgl_glxgears doesn't run if I have the fglx drivers running?
20:27<axlrose>also fgl_glxinfo doesn't really show much
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20:33<kristianpaul>from where are the factoids of dpkg ?
20:33<kristianpaul>it really know lots of things
20:33<Supaplex>dpkg: factoids
20:33<dpkg>Pick my brains at or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.
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20:38<acfrazier>Hey, I'm looking for some support converting my ext3 to ext4. I can't boot the parted livecd off of USB, it asks me for a password, and when I burn it to a CD, it reads the .img, then reboots. I need to get the parted liveCD working to restore GRUB and upgrade to ext4
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20:40<gsimmons>dpkg: ext3->ext4
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20:44<dpkg>[ext4] Fourth extended file system. Adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged into mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>.
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20:48<jrk______>hello. can anybody help me? i am rather familiar with linux (but only when everything works). i use debian for about 1 year on k6-2 500 mhz, 192 mb
20:49<jrk______>but now i installed lenny on newer pc
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20:49<jrk______>and network isn't working
20:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:50<ml|>hehe talk of xinitrc still
20:50<jrk______>ok, so i am in network with dhcp
20:52<jrk______>a have "auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp " in /etc/network/interfaces
20:52<jrk______>i type ifup eth0; ping
20:52<jrk______>an it toesn work
20:52<jrk______>i also have 2 nameservers i /etc/resolv.conf
20:53<xemacs4321>you have to wait for dhcp to get lease!
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20:54<xemacs4321>ifup ethx should bring interface up and down, is loopback in networks also ?
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20:55<xemacs4321>did netowork starup on install ?
20:55<jrk______>later i runed dhclient manualy an i get
20:56<xemacs4321>is your network card showing in dmesg ?
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20:57<jrk______>i didnt run dmesg so i dont know
20:57<xemacs4321>run dmegs from you shell , see if you network card shows up
20:57<jrk______>but its mac-adress is shown int output of dhclient
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20:57<ml|>locklace: still around?
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20:58<jrk______>so i suppose it was detected
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20:59<xemacs4321>please do this "dmest |grep eth" and paste output to paster and send url
20:59<jrk______>xemacs4321: tell me what else should i check because i need to reboot (im in windows now)
21:00<xemacs4321>jrk______, is it hardwired network, and do you know the card name ?
21:00<xemacs4321>lspci may show the card also
21:01<jrk______>"ipconfig /all" from windows says it is NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller
21:01<xemacs4321>wifi ?
21:01<jrk______>and mac adress is the same as shown in output of dhclient
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21:02<jrk______>normal for rj-45
21:02<xemacs4321>dmesg should show then
21:02<xemacs4321>there is more then 1 dhcpcleint in lenyy try other one
21:03<jrk______>is log from kernel booting writed to disk (becouse i have ext2 driver in windows so i can check it without rebooting)
21:04<jrk______>[ 3.436575] forcedeth: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.61.
21:05<jrk______>it is from /var/log/dmesg
21:05<jrk______>so ma network card is detected
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21:05<xemacs4321>jrk______, /var/log/messages
21:05<gsimmons>jrk______: Was this system built by yourself, or purchased from a vendor?
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21:07<jrk______>a have some old knoppix (supposly with 2.4 kernel) and i used debootstrap downloaded from ftp (becouse in knoppix newest distro was etch) and modified to fix paths
21:07<jrk______>i installed lenny
21:07<jrk______>in knoppix network configured automagicly
21:08<adb>jrk______: use, /nick jrk please
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21:08<xemacs4321>debootstrap complete debian installer !
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21:08<jrk>dont understand
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21:09<xemacs4321>better way to install is getting an iso .............................
21:10<jrk>i have no cdr
21:10<jrk>i tried to instal debian 5.0.2 from netinst image from usb stick
21:10<xemacs4321>USB stick ?
21:10<jrk>but it doesn't detect my hard drive
21:11<jrk>usb stick was /dev/sda
21:11<jrk>and it also not detect my network card
21:11<ml|>ah much better jrk :)
21:11<xemacs4321>you can put the iso on usb drive and use that to boot and install
21:12<jrk>it's very strange -- other distros works -- dsl, puppy, knoppix, freebsd even
21:12<jrk>but not debian
21:12<ml|>!beer adb
21:12*dpkg pours a pint of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for adb
21:12<xemacs4321>go look at install information on
21:12<jrk>i know how to install
21:13<xemacs4321>ok, sorry i give up
21:13<jrk>but if it doesnt support my network card, so what i shuld do? write a driver? ;)
21:14<xemacs4321>wiki has information on module asistant you can load window drivers if you must
21:14<jrk>debian uses 2.6.x kernel -- other distros too -- so why it doesnt works? (yes, i know, it is not question for you)
21:15<jrk>adb: i used this image
21:15<jrk>i was on this channel few hours ago
21:16<adb>add a new pci net card
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21:16<jrk>will you able to help me if a give you output from dmesg, lspci, lsmod? (what else)
21:16<adb>rtl, com3
21:16<adb>3com *
21:17*adb send jrt some 3com
21:18<jrk>adb: how to add new pci card?
21:18<adb>put it in pci slot
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21:19<jrk>i haven't another card. this one is builtin into mainboard
21:19<adb>buy it 10$
21:19<jrk>ok, i am going to reboot
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21:20<jrk>so thanks and cu soon
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21:29<jrk>i booted to knoppix
21:30<jrk>to have internet and acces to irc
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21:34<sney>it is probably using ndiswrapper
21:34<sney>with the windows driver
21:34<sney>lspci |grep -i net
21:34<sney>that might show you what you have
21:37<sney>if you lspci |grep net
21:37<sney>it will show you what your network card is
21:37<sney>but knoppix et al are probably using ndiswrapper, which is a way to make windows drivers work in linux, basically
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21:37<sney>debian does not include these things because they are not "free" software
21:38<sney>but you can download them yourself if that is what you need
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21:38<jrk>now i am in knoppix with 2.6.12 kernel and it works
21:39<sney>do you still want to fix debian?
21:40<ml|>jrk: sney just explained a possinle fix, why not try it
21:40<jrk>to use windows driver?
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21:41<jrk>dmesg | grep eth: forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.32.
21:42<jrk>so there is reverse engeneered driver which works so why tu use windows driver thru ndiswrapper?
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21:45<jrk>i also find in /etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig that it uses this to configure net: ifconfig $DEVICE up >/dev/null 2>&1 ; pump -i $DEVICE >/dev/null
21:45<jrk>so maybe i also should use pump instead dhclient
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21:52<sney>jrk: you can use forcedeth or ndiswrapper, it doesn't matter, the lspci/dmesg was to see what you needed
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21:56<jrk>and this ndiswrapper? i shpuld copy some dll/sys/drv file from windows directory or what?
21:56<jrk>or rtfm?
21:56<kins>i have a proble, with my usplash screen..i am using startup manager but still most usplashes dont show
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21:57<joe__>whats a good utility with a gui to burn isos ?
21:57<joe__>im using gnome will that matter?
21:57<kins>it tells me no framesfound for x*y screen resolution for all resolutions
21:57<dondelelcaro>joe__: not really. You can also burn them from the command line pretty easily
21:58<sney>jrk yes rtfm, I would help you but I don't remember myself
21:59<sney>I think it is pretty easy though
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22:01<ml|>joe__: brasero, gnomenaker
22:01<ml|>joe__: brasero, gnomenbaker
22:01<joe__>thank you
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22:01<ml|>joe__: brasero, gnomebaker
22:01<ml|>np agrrr
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22:07<enouf>even mybashburn. i suppose
22:07<enouf>oh, he asked for gui, oh well
22:07<sney>heh if it's just an iso cdrecord is easy enough
22:08<jrk>can i use hibernation (swsusp/s2disk) if i have swap not on partition but in file?
22:08<vook>sometimes you can even use dd.
22:09<ml|>i use mybashburn :), but will learn cdredord, wodim
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22:09<vook>cdrdao for bin/cue's
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22:13<enouf>jrk: i think not .. or if it is possible, it's a real pita - also might want to look into various other methods
22:14<jrk>can i resize ext3 partition to get about 500 megs for swap?
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22:15<vook>jrk, do you just have one partition ?
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22:20<vook>jrk: well, you're gonna have to reinstall back to debian anyway ;) may as well just use a new partitioning scheme then. The network issue you are having may be due to the fact that debian often doesn't include the firmware for network chips in it's distro (if they aren't free). Other distro's do. If that's the case, you just need to extract or acquire the firmware for your chipset. As well, if reinstalling, you can create a small boot
22:20<jrk>vook: no, a have 4: sda1 ntfs, sda3 ext3, sda5&sda6 ntfs
22:20<jrk>with network card i THINK i solve proble
22:21<jrk>1st: to insmod forcedeth
22:21<enouf>yep, possible /Documentation/power/swsusp-and-swap-files.txt
22:21<jrk>2: to use pump instead dhclient
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22:22<duraperidol>I am reinstalling lenny on a system
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22:22<Golfgeo>Hi all
22:22<duraperidol>which also has an ntfs partition
22:22<duraperidol>is there any way without having to use, say debootstrap
22:23<duraperidol>to install debian with luks on the
22:23<duraperidol>debian partition?
22:23<enouf>jrk: iirc, someone using forcedeth could only get it to work via adding these module options; msi and msix
22:23<duraperidol>as debianinstaller only supports using the "entire disk"
22:23<duraperidol>I may have glossed over something of course
22:23<enouf>but i'm not sure if the chipset issue he was having was network driver related
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22:24<Golfgeo>Got a general question: Currently I'm working on a project and need to represent some of the subject in a model. Specificly I need a model type that represents processes within an organisation, but without having to specify all the details of all interaction
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22:25<Golfgeo>So my question would be: what type of model does one use to repricent all the basic relations between processes (and people)?
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22:26<duraperidol>Golfgeo: Read some Mintzberg
22:26<jrk>ok, thanks folks
22:26<duraperidol>that's yer guy
22:27<jrk>im gonna go sleep
22:27<Golfgeo>googling now :-) Thanks mate
22:27<jrk>it is 4:26 am on my clock
22:27<jrk>bye :*
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22:32<Golfgeo>duraperidol: Also know of a simple "cloud" like model type?
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22:46<duraperidol>Golfgeo: pm me
22:46<duraperidol>this is for Debian related
22:46<duraperidol>not systems
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23:01<chargersfan420>how's it going?
23:02<pate>Good.I'm Chinese.
23:03<chargersfan420>lol, okay. I just installed xchat and came here, and you seem to be the only person talking... so i guess this thing is working but nobody's here...?
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23:04<dkr>chargersfan420: it's not really a social room, we can help if you have any debian questions
23:04<pate>I got to go.I'm so hungry.
23:04<chargersfan420>ahh, i see. thanks, dkr. or could you be a bot...?
23:05<chargersfan420>see ya pate
23:05<dkr>dpkg is our bot
23:05<dpkg>dkr: no idea
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23:06<chargersfan420>lol, i see. Well, i actually installed to go to #powertop, but nobody is talking over there so i thought i'd try the channel with the most people in it. thanks for your help dkr
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23:41<insigne>so maxo
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23:49<duraperidol>pate: hi
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23:54<pate>no body talking
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