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00:28<k1lumin4t1>a good OCR X11 app for linux?
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00:33<sney>search apt, install all of them, process of elimination
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01:33<johnfg>hi guys
01:34<johnfg>Why, although i've installed the flashplayer do both epiphany and ice weasel have arrows in the boxes that should show flash content, and some, like in foxsports, don't display?
01:34<johnfg>There's not this problem with firefox.
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01:35<jm_>johnfg: arrows sound like flashblock plugin
01:35<jm_>or swfdec which does this by default IIRC
01:36<johnfg>jm_, except, that when I click the arrows, most of the content shows. Which it didn't, before I installed the flashplayer.
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01:36<jm_>johnfg: well doh, that's the point of the arrow button
01:37<jm_>about:plugins will tell you which plugin is loaded
01:37<jm_>(including the path)
01:37<johnfg>jm_, It doesn't do this, however, either in firefox or in the latest ie, just the content.
01:37<jm_>johnfg: firefox and ie on Debian?
01:37<johnfg>I already did that, about:plugins, and it's installed, but just doesn't perform as it should. imho.
01:38<jm_>yes find out what it says about it, and where the file is coming from - then we'll know if it's swfdec
01:38<johnfg>jm_, No, firefox on fedora 10, and ie on windoze xp pro.
01:38<jm_>johnfg: right, proceed as above
01:38<johnfg>jm_, What's swfdec?
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01:39<jm_>!info swfdec-mozilla
01:39<jm_>looks like dpkg is confused
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01:40<ikkie>hello is there a more channel for vpn things ?
01:40<Supaplex>!confuse jm_
01:40<dpkg>Yes, what is your badger today, jm_? breeches of the people's republic of belarus with extra crabpaste
01:40<jm_>johnfg ^^^^
01:40<jm_>ahh it works now
01:40<jm_>!info swfdec-mozilla
01:40<dpkg>swfdec-mozilla: (Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash)), section video, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 124 kB
01:41<johnfg>jm_, Here's what I've got:
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01:41<jm_>johnfg: bingo, manphiz's guess was spot on
01:41<ikkie>!info pptp
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01:42<jm_>johnfg: you can configure which one to use with alternatives
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01:42<johnfg>jm_, OK, so what was on the spot? I don't get it?
01:43<jm_>johnfg: you're using swfdec, which shows arrow button by default and when you click on it, it starts running it
01:44<johnfg>How do I select the other, whatever it is with alternatives?
01:44<johnfg>Sorry if I seem obtuse, pretty late and I'm tired.
01:44<jm_>update-alternatives --config <name of the alternative>
01:44<jm_>ls /etc/alternatives/*flash* to get the name
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01:45<gsimmons>ikkie: If you're looking for help with PoPToP, there's #pptp on
01:45<johnfg>No alternatives for *flash*
01:45<jm_>what other flash plugin did you install?
01:46<jm_>well the alternative wouldn't be *flash* - it's something like mozilla-flash, I forgot - the above ls command will show it to you
01:46<johnfg>None, just the adobe flash player plugin, via apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
01:46<jm_>from multimedia repository?
01:47<ikkie>jm_ if you setup pptd and connect to it form an other lan network is it normal that you get a ppp0 with your inet adress to an ip address of your other network, the ip of the other network dus it need to be an exiting interface?
01:47<jm_>let me see if that uses alternatives
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01:48<jm_>yes, so update-alternatives --config
01:49<johnfg>jm_, OK, got that, so I'll go check it out.
01:50<jm_>johnfg: about:plugins again and check filename - it should list a different one now
01:50<johnfg>cool! success! much thanks jm_ !
01:50<jm_>johnfg: enjoy
01:50<ikkie>jm_ if you setup pptpd and connect to it form an other lan network is it normal that you get a ppp0 with your inet adress to an ip address of your other network, the ip of the other network dus it need to be an exiting interface? and is it advicable to use kvpn
01:50<patrick_>i have a problem in my screen resolution
01:50<johnfg>I should have made clear about the nature of the arrows, not at all like the little click to play.
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01:51<johnfg>have a great night!
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01:52<jm_>ikkie: I am affraid I don't understand your question - remember that PPP is point to point connection, so it's normal you get the IP and ifconfig will list point-to-point address of the server
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01:52<jm_>ahh no the arrows are there as in click to play, it's probably some site where swfdec doesn't quite work correctly
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01:54<ikkie>whel im connecting form true internet to ppp0 has the inet addr from my router to can that be correct ?
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02:08<dpkg>hello, dominique
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02:09<AdiNda>hai noven
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02:11<bbb8>hey :)
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03:00<debam>enouf, jm_ hi i am having color laserjet 2550 hp in network shared,on that i can able to give other than .pdf file.can you please tell me which extra package require to print in lan pdf file
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03:04<jm_>debam: cups works just fine
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03:28<argonel>i've just done an upgrade, during which modprobe started running repeatedly.. if i kill them they keep coming back
03:29<argonel>i finally had to chmod modprobe so that it couldn't run.. any ideas whats running modprobe?
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03:31<jm_>can't you check its PPID?
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03:31<argonel>i killed its ppid, it didn't help
03:31<jm_>but what was it?
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03:32<jm_>so some package handling thing then
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03:32<argonel>it was oss-compat.postinst
03:33<argonel>which i killed, and package installation resumed.. but the modprobes kept getting launched
03:33<argonel>dpkg finished, and they still kept launching
03:33<dpkg>argonel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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03:34<jm_>it added some crap settings to moodprobe.d then
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03:34<jm_>modprobe.d even
03:34<argonel>so i have oss-compat 0.0.4nmu3.. is there an nmu4 now?
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03:37<jm_> or rmadison to find out
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03:40<argonel>hmm, this package is in squeeze
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03:40<argonel>how wonderfull to be the only one affected :)
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03:41<jm_>probably not many people have it installed
03:41<joe__>how do i killall virtualbox
03:42<argonel>i find myself wondering why i have it installed
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03:43<argonel>but if i try to remove it hundreds of other packages go too
03:43<jm_>maybe some gnome/kde thing depends on it
03:43<joe__>u know if u can pass usb devices thru to an xp virtualbox ?
03:43<argonel>i guess i could be the last person in the worked with kde3 installed
03:45<jm_>aptitude why oss-compat
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03:46<argonel>can i do that if i don't use aptitude on a regular basis?
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03:46<argonel>(its been years)
03:46<jm_>try it
03:46*argonel does another round of killing modprobe
03:47<argonel>every dpkg action i do seems to try and reconfigre oss-compat
03:47<jm_>comment out stuff in /etc/modprobe.d it puts there
03:47<argonel>hmm, cool.. with no ability to run modprobe, the rest of the packages configured
03:49<argonel>apparently arts needs it
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03:49<jm_>yes libarts1c2a
03:50<argonel>arts also hasn't been run in years :)
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03:54<argonel>well, thanks jm_, i may be back
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03:56<locklace>!coffee locklace
03:56*dpkg decants a fine brew of organic International Roast Caterers Blend for locklace, courtesy of locklace
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04:10<argonel>jm_: looks like the blame lies with alsa-base, not oss-compat
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04:13<jm_>argonel: how so?
04:14<argonel>jm_: in /etc/alsa-base.conf i had to comment out the two lines after "Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules" or the system would not boot
04:15<argonel>jm_: those two lines cause modprobe to recurse infinitely
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04:16<jm_>argonel: who created /etc/alsa-base.conf ?
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04:17<argonel>jm_: according to dpkg -S, the alsa-base package
04:17<jm_>argonel: one really needs to look deeper to understand where the issue is - both alsa-base and oss-compat add files to modprobe.d
04:17<jm_>argonel: hmm not on my system
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04:18<jm_>do you perhaps mean /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
04:18<argonel>heh i do, yes, sorry
04:19<jm_>this was added with new version yes
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04:19<jm_>the same thing as alsa-base just has .conf added to shut up new modprobe
04:20<jm_>there's probably some recursive loop with oss-compat calling modprobe, which runs a command to modprobe another one, which ...
04:20<argonel>i had frst removed oss-compat.conf, rebooted, and again it looped
04:20<jm_>removed it how?
04:21<argonel>i was in "emergency" boot, i mounted / as rw and mv /etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat.conf /
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04:24<jm_>hmm interesting, I wonder why no-one else reported this
04:24<argonel>especially since it has been there for a month
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04:26<jm_>shouldn't be too hard finding why it loops
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04:26<argonel>do tell?
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04:26<jm_>well just look at ps list and figure out the sequence they are called in
04:27<jm_>compare to install commands in /etc/modprobe.d
04:27<argonel>well, it creates about 20 modprobe instances per second, its a bit hard to get anything done
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04:27<jm_>yes just chmod -x modprobe 1s after triggering first one
04:27<argonel>hmm, but maybe the original output will be helpful here, one sec
04:27<jm_>or replace it with a shell script that calls real modprobe only 20 times or somesuch
04:28<argonel>the first time i noticed it there were only 32 lines
04:29<argonel>know of a pastebin that has a wide textbox?
04:30<nuscire>Greeting everyone. I have a problem. I have a program running previously; now, I want to start screen, and put that program into a screen session. How Can I do?
04:30<argonel>i guess debian's will do
04:31<debam>jm_ : cups works fine but it is printing only 1 page if give more pages then it is not printing
04:32<simonrvn>nuscire: you don't
04:32<nuscire>simonrvn: you mean.. i can't?
04:33<simonrvn>of course not. not if you didn't somehow first launch it from something with which you can reattach it to your tty.
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04:35<jm_>nuscire: short of using retty no
04:35<jm_>debam: that makes no sense - did you check if there are any errors in the log?
04:36<jm_>argonel: find where this is /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-ioctl32 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq
04:37<nuscire>jm_: okay, trying.
04:38<nuscire>simonrvn: thank you.
04:38<argonel>jm_: it is immediately under the comment in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
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04:38<argonel>alsa-base.conf:#install snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-ioctl32 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-seq ; }
04:38<argonel>of course its commented out now so that it'll boot :)
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04:41<jm_>argonel: that sounds like a bug in modprobe - --ignore-install should cause to not run 2nd install command
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04:43<argonel>jm_: i did upgrade module-init-tools in this pass
04:43<jm_>argonel: but to be honest, I don't see why it's running that install command for snd_seq_oss since I can't see it listed in alsa-base or oss-compat modprobe.d config files
04:43<jm_>argonel: maybe try with older version too
04:44<jm_>argonel: lo and behold, #524940
04:44<argonel>just found that myself
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04:46<jm_>so it does look like a bug in modprobe
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04:46<hero1900>hey guys
04:46*simonrvn didn't know about retty
04:46<argonel>haha so marco says to remove the package that triggers the bug. nice workaround :p
04:46<hero1900>i have problem if any one can help
04:47<jm_>argonel: I often found he's hard to convince there's a bug in a package he maintains
04:47<jm_>simonrvn: x86 specific
04:47<jm_>doesn't even exist for amd64 release
04:48<argonel>jm_: this bug prevents booting, shouldn't its severity be grave?
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04:49<jm_>argonel: hmm hard to say, surely it should cause problems for everyone if that was the case - so far "only" people with oss-compat seem affected
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04:49<argonel>jm_: if i had read this bug when installing, i would have aborted the upgrade
04:49<jm_>argonel: apt-listbugs - Lists critical bugs before each apt installation
04:49<jm_>mybe that would help
04:50<argonel>jm_: right, in whose output i saw the problem with the dbus upgrade killing X
04:50<argonel>this bug is set to "important" and therefore wasn't shown in the list of critical bugs
04:51<argonel>i was running apt-get upgrade from within X, so i killed the display manager and ran it from console
04:52<argonel>i'm not a DD so i presume i can't affect the severity?
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04:55<locklace>argh, is this a boot failure bug in a testing update?
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04:55<jm_>you can voice your opinion by sending mail to bugreport
04:56<argonel>jm_: so i just send an email to ?
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04:57<jm_>argonel: something like that
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04:58<argonel>i'm sorry, i haven't had to get involved in a debian bug before, in that respect i'm new :)
04:58<jm_>there are docs for it somewhere
04:58<argonel>i've been reading, they seem to leave out what to do if you're "chiming in"
04:59<jm_>i am not familiar since i refuse to send mail to a system which then publicaly shows my address to everyone
05:00<argonel>uh, hmm. right, that's pleasent, isn't it
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05:04<locklace>it's not one of the best bug tracking systems i've seen
05:05<locklace>i often find it hard to understand even basic things like the status of a bug
05:05<locklace>maybe i'm just doing something wrong
05:06<simonrvn>the new icons i find myself always having to hover over it to see wtf it means
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05:09<locklace>i think i also just don't understand how developers use the system; e.g. this is the report for the update that broke aptitude in testing a few days ago,
05:10<locklace>afaict no dev has updated/looked at this, although the problem was resolved after a couple of days with a new aptitude update
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05:10<jm_>someone reported this last week here and explained how to recover
05:10<locklace>you mean the aptitude thing?
05:11<locklace>right. the point is, that bug doesn't seem to have any updates or useful info
05:11<jm_>sadly so yes
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05:12<locklace>someone who got hit by it and wasn't fortunate enough to be sitting around here on irc last week is pretty much screwed, even if they do the smart thing and search for bugs on the subject and find this
05:12<mosno>hit by what
05:13<enouf>argonel: any chance you have a /etc/modprobe.conf or a /etc/modules.conf file(s) ?
05:13<locklace>mosno: there was an apt update pushed to testing last week that broke aptitude for people who installed it
05:13<argonel>well, i suppose the quick answer is "if you can't get out of this kind of thing, you ought to be running stable"
05:13<locklace>mosno: above link has the bug report (but no info on the solution)
05:13<enouf>argonel: if so, comment out all lines and try again (or mv those files)
05:13<mosno>locklace: i only just /join'd
05:13<mosno>locklace: but don't worry i don't run testing
05:14<mosno>(at the moment)
05:14<locklace>mosno: oops, bug id is 527283
05:14<jm_>enouf: he found the offending lines and commented them out
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05:14<locklace>mosno: actually you would have been fine as long as you did the upgrade in the way you were supposed to (safe-upgrade, simulate full-upgrade, look out for obvious problems)
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05:15<argonel>enouf: hmm, /etc/modules.conf looks pretty non-trivial
05:15<argonel>i can live without it?
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05:15<mosno>locklace: hrm, at least apt still worked
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05:16<enouf>argonel: it's (both those files are) looked to for config by /sbin/modprobe prior to /etc/modprobe.d/
05:16<Prathibha>Is there any open source java plugin for java run time environment
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05:17<locklace>mosno: if you use the safety tools aptitude gives you, most things like that won't hit you
05:17<argonel>enouf: so i should restore everything to the way that it was and pull /etc/modules.conf? (i don't have modprobe.conf)
05:17<mosno>locklace: good to know
05:17<enouf>argonel: mv /etc/modules.conf /etc/modules.conf.OLD-DEPRECATED-CRAP seems fairly trivial ;-) However, always have a livecd handy
05:18<jm_>argonel: modules.conf is for old module-init-tools, it uses modprobe.conf now
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05:18<mosno>locklace: maybe daniel should add a noob-upgrade option ;)
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05:19<enouf>argonel: check out what marco says about those files -- (/me wonders which version of module-init-tools you have)
05:19<argonel>enouf: module-init-tools is up to date
05:20<enouf>i was never even aware a pkg called 'oss-compat' existed - i did know about 'alsa-oss' though
05:20<locklace>mosno: that's pretty much what 'safe-upgrade' is :)
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05:21<argonel>i'm going to have to put this off until later, i need some sleep
05:21<enouf>jm_: which is also deprecated
05:21<mosno>locklace: i meant something that automated your "best practice" procedure. was a joke though, because a noob couldn't look out for obvioius problems.
05:22<enouf>jm_: and .. i presume you meant he commented the lines in the .postinst that's seemingly causing the issue
05:22<jm_>enouf: no
05:22<Prathibha>Is there any open source java plugin for java run-time environment
05:22<jm_>Prathibha: yup
05:23<themill>Prathibha: try icedtea-gcjwebplugin
05:23<debam>jm_ : Unable to open PPD directory "/opt/share/ppd": No such file or directory
05:23<jm_>debam: well that can't be a fatal error if it works for page
05:23<debam>jm_ CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
05:24<jm_>for 1 page
05:24<debam>jm_ yes one page prints fine
05:24<jm_>debam: how did you configure it to print 1 page then?
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05:24<debam>jm_ same configuration but i tested test page it works fine
05:25<enouf>hrm - look at the -- System Information: of the original bug author
05:25<debam>jm_ some time even this pdf is printing but taking 5 minute or more time to print
05:25<enouf>kernel 2.6.18 .. yet Squeeze/Sid
05:25<jm_>debam: hmm maybe it's a problem with one of the filters
05:26<debam>jm_ how to find out this ?
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05:26<enouf>Sid version on module-init-tools with a etch kernel .. how sweet it is :-p
05:26<debam>which filter or what has to remove or add package
05:26<jm_>debam: it should be in cups error log
05:27<jm_>enouf: surely there would be a conflict against older kernel if it doesn't work with it
05:27<enouf>look at the libc6 status
05:27<enouf>Versions of packages module-init-tools depends on: hi libc6 2.9-4
05:27<debam>jm_ it shows only CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized and "/opt/share/ppd": No such file or directory
05:27<enouf>Half-installed? iirc
05:28<enouf>nope - it's Hold
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05:28<jm_>debam: then try enabling debugging for it
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05:31<debam>jm_ is it possible to enable debugging using gui?
05:32<jm_>debam: not that I know, I think you change loglevel setting
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05:33<debam>jm_ how to?
05:36<jm_>debam: in cupsd.conf
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05:45<debam>jm_ in lenny, while doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it is not asking different option like selecting driver ,resolution etc
05:45<jm_>debam: correct, the server is auto-configured at runtime now
05:46<debam>jm_ but on ATI Techna Inc ES1000 system no gui login is coming ,xserver-xorg-video-ati driver is installed
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05:48<jm_>debam: chek X logfile
05:52<enouf>Does a command such as tar xvzf /path/to/filename.tar.gz extract to CWD/PWD? .. or in the parent dir/ of the file?
05:53<debam> jm_ : this is my log file
05:53<debam>it is not showing any error.
05:53<SlimeyPete>enouf: CWD, I think
05:54<enouf>SlimeyPete: i'm bugging out - i grabbed this;filename=module_init_tools-debug_info.tar.gz;att=1;bug=524940
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05:59<enouf>i'm in this dir; /mnt/p3/home/exper/linux-2.6.25-rc2/linux-2.6.25-rc2$ but i saved the file to /mnt/p3/home/exper/linux-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686/module_init_tools-debug_info.tar.gz (don't ask why, just cause it happened to be easiest atm, nothing to do with names, they're both old scratch dirs) -- but i ran tar xzvf /full/path/to/module_init_tools-debug_info.tar.gz and it listed this; yet i can only find
06:00<enouf>a few of those listed there
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06:02<jm_>debam: all looks OK to me there
06:02<enouf>nm .. now it's working properly - something is screwy though
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06:03<enouf>i guess i can't use (rely on) my trusty find -mtime searches when it comes to extracting tar.gz
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06:03<debam>jm_ may be any other error?
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06:04<jm_>debam: does the same happen if you run startx?
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06:07<debam>jm_ yes
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06:07<jm_>debam: hmm try using fglrx or vesa driver then
06:09<debam>jm_ i will try but in documentation of ati driver it is written that this chipset supports..
06:09<jm_>debam: yes, your logfile also says chipset found
06:10<jm_>debam: are you sure it's not your session that exits?
06:11<debam>jm_ i am sure..running kernel module can be seen using lsmod,how to see which graphics card driver is running ...not by seeing log file
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06:12<jm_>debam: no I mean your X session
06:12<jm_>debam: x logfile shows that it's using radeon driver
06:16<debam>jm_ it is same one,so i was asking how to change driver setting or to see which graphics card driver is running?
06:17<jm_>debam: you change options in xorg.conf - I don't understand your other question
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06:21<debam>jm_: lsmod shows running driver/module for specific device but it not shows graphics card driver like ati,vesa to see which driver is running for graphics card?
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06:22<enouf>debam: fwiw lspci -k ; and grep drv /var/log/xorg.0.log and even lshal | grep driver might be useful
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06:22<enouf>er, Xorg.0.log
06:22<enouf>debam: kernel module (lsmod output) != Xorg driver
06:23<wvdakker>I have some question about the password in the apt.conf
06:23<enouf>your apt.conf has a password set?
06:23<wvdakker>yes.... but the password has an '@' in it
06:24<wvdakker>how do I include that?
06:24<enouf>man ascii?
06:24<debam>enouf, no without using log file/configuration file is it possible to see used xorg driver?
06:24<enouf>debam: why?
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06:24<jm_>debam: not if you have empty xorg.conf
06:24<wopr>hello folks!
06:25<wvdakker>should I use an escape sequence before the '@'
06:26<enouf>wvdakker: i don't know offhand, but IINM, /etc/apt/apt.conf{.d}/* uses C style syntax + comments
06:27<enouf>(someone correct me please, if that's not 100% correct ..)
06:28<enouf>i mean i'm not sure how to classify stuff like '::' and '//' and '/*' and '*/' .. c syntax?
06:28<koollman>'apt.conf syntax' :)
06:28<enouf>haha .. nice one ;-)
06:29<ootput>wouldn't emacs-goodies provide a mode for editing deb apt configs/
06:29<ootput>or is that only for sources.lst?
06:30<wvdakker>only for sources.list
06:30<wvdakker>http://user:'part1@part2'@server:port/ doesnt work
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06:34<jm_>wvdakker: does it work if you encode it using % sequence?
06:34<wvdakker>I got it... use %40
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06:39<enouf>hrm, would \040 also work? oh, i guess not, that's octal for a SPACE :-p
06:40<enouf>then would \0100 or \100 work? hrm ..
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07:10<debam>jm_ enough using startx my system just stopping at Leaving Restore TV
07:11<jm_>debam: did you try using something simple for your session, like xterm?
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07:12<debam>jm_ not tried..
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07:54<royalwarecast>when I connect to the freenode , it shows me a language that unknow service or name :::: anyone know how can it be?
07:55<jm_>youre asking about freenode on oftc?
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07:56<royalwarecast>i think both the irc server
07:56<jm_>yes but you should really ask there, where people will be familiar with it
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07:58<royalwarecast>but i cant connect to it then how can I ask how?
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08:18<royalwarecast>if I reinstall the firefox can the plug-ins be kept?
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08:19<royalwarecast>it cashes each time I try to open it
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08:21<jm_>royalwarecast: yes normally it does that and checks if they still work with this version
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08:25<royalwarecast> jm_ but do you know why does it crash ? I cant check the proper plug-in which contributes to the crash for even I cant open it with "open new session"
08:25<jm_>royalwarecast: hmm not really, try -safe-mode switch
08:27<royalwarecast>jm_, you mean the entire system or only the application to use the safe-mode And I dont know how
08:27<jm_>royalwarecast: iceweasel has -safe-mode switch
08:29<royalwarecast>jm_, sorry for that but I am using ubuntu not debian
08:31<royalwarecast>or I am not in the proper channel
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08:33<jm_>royalwarecast: correct, firefox has the same switch
08:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:33<jm_>well ...
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08:36<m2rt> OMG that is one funny page... don't view it with windows :P
08:38<m2rt>First choice when googling for: portable vnc server for linux
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08:40<ranix>lol m2rt that's great
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08:41<ranix>don't close this window if you want your computer to be clean
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08:41<ranix>wonder if wine could run that virus
08:42<m2rt>Hmm... I have a virtual machine with windows... Will infect it for lulz :P
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08:49<Lantizia>Lo, my openoffice (from backports) doesn't seem to spot spelling mistakes... I have wbritish, ibritish, ispell installed fine - but still nothing, any advise?
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08:51<kisch>should a bug be an "Outstanding bug" if it has been fixed in the version of the package contained in the stable distribution?
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09:23<broonu>can someone help me with sarge?
09:25<Hydroxide>broonu: we can try, but the answer might end up being "upgrade to etch or lenny" depending on what the question is
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09:25<broonu>i just realized that
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09:26<andrea_>hi all
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09:29<broonu>thanks anyway
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09:30<cheeper>hi, andrea_
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09:40<cheeper>any idea why i'd be unable to make Groups?
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09:41<runix__>hey. I've an app that writes hundreds of thousands of small files. I'm currently storing them in reiser fs but I was looking for something else. I could store them in memcache (since I use a key to look them up) but I don't have the RAM resources to do that. Any hints? I was thinking gdbm but I don't know about it's speed or concurrency.
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10:02<ml|>hello all
10:03<jameswhite>anyone in here familiar with setting up racoon for a host-to-host ipsec gateway? Do the internal interfaces have to exist (as aliases, or whatever) or does 'racoonctl vpn-connect' create them? all the howtos I find say you have to add the route, but nothing explicitly says to add the interface... any help would be appreciated...
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10:08<_Lemon_>Hello, I have a server that I don't have physical access to with a single RAID1 set up that I want to change it to RAID0. Should I be looking at trying to installing Debian to a second disk then recreating the RAID? Or can I get the server to boot without it accessing the disk at all then recreate RAID and install? (NFS? Netboot?)
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10:16<kop>_Lemon_ : If you've enough unpartitioned free disk (or have thought ahead and used lvm so you can dynamically change the partitioning) then just migrate a partition at a time. You'll need to reboot (with grub fallback if necessary) to switch the root partition. (at least)
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10:17<kop>What's the best way to compare the configs (or simply tell if they've changed) on packages that are uninstalled but not purged? debsums simply says that the package is not installed.
10:18<_Lemon_>kop: Thank you, looks like I'll need more disk space as unfortunately I don't have any control over the set up. There is no data to transfer too
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10:38<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:39<ml|>bja: hi
10:39<bja>ml|: hi
10:39<bja>I hate X
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10:48<duill>why is bug#518855 listed on even though the package where it's resolved has been in testing for over one month?
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10:56<darkeagle>Hi... I didn't find bug, or anything relating error I get from fsck (1.41.3-1): "Error1: Corrupt extent header on inode" "Aborted"
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10:56<darkeagle>or 1.41.5-1 did segmentation fault...
10:57<darkeagle>any Ideas where to get help, or should I learn to use bug tracker...
11:00<kop>darkeagle : Well, if nobody here knows there's google, or reading the ext code, or asking on the ext fs list (if there is one). But I find that past a certain point it does not matter. The disk is borked and that's that.
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11:01<johnfg>hi guys
11:01<johnfg>Anyone here have any experience with kerberos?
11:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:01<johnfg>btw...I'm up and running, when I do it from the cli, but am not getting started at reboot, so I need some help.
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11:02<kop>johnfg: You know about sys V init scripts? Check the reference at for how daemons are started at boot.
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11:03<johnfg>I have both krb5-admin-server and krb5-kdc in /etc/init.d, but for some reason, the services aren't started.
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11:03<kop>johnfg : Check the logs. If necessary paste them (/msg dpkg paste for how to paste) and ask about them.
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11:03<johnfg>I didn't see any messages related from dmesg, so should I look at the kerberos logs, or where else?
11:04<johnfg>whoops, kop, overlap.
11:04<johnfg>Thanks, I'll do that.
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11:09<johnfg>kop: Here's the paste: The kadmind did start okay.
11:10<smr904>hey everyone, can somebody help me with how to share the internet connection with a xp comp?
11:10<cahoot>via the xp or via linux?
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11:11<johnfg>What's odd to me, is that when I do, sudo invoke-rc.d krb5-kdc restart, it starts with no problems.
11:11<johnfg>Any idea what's wrong here?
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11:14<darkeagle>interesting is that fsck 1.41.5-1 (unstable) said "Error while reading over extent tree in inode 3932349: Corrupt extent header
11:14<darkeagle>Clear inode?" and then did segmentation fault
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11:15<smr904>via linux
11:15<smr904>ok - it goes like this: cable - linux - xp
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11:16<smr904>and I have no idea how to use ipmasq
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11:16<smr904>i followed a how to on the net about sharing the connection, but it didn't work
11:16<darkeagle>johnfg, are you sure that networking is well up when kerberos starts on boot?
11:16<petemc>smr904: are you incapable of learning about ipmasq?
11:17<smr904>on the contrary, that's what I'm trying to do
11:18<petemc>good job
11:18<petemc>it can be as simple as telling it which interface to share out
11:18<kop>smr904 : You may find that shorewall provides a higher level interface allowing easier ipmasq/firewall configuration.
11:19<smr904>hey - if it would work I wouldn't ask around for advice
11:19<petemc>you have 2 network cards in the linux machine?
11:20<kop>smr904 : You need to tell us what you did, what you expected, and what happened. In increasing detail.
11:20<petemc>and the network to your xp box is working? you can ping it?
11:20<smr904>no, can't ping it
11:20<petemc>theres your problem
11:20<smr904>although on xp - it shows that the net is up
11:20<petemc>(unless xp is blocking icmp)
11:21<petemc>can you ping the linux box from xp?
11:21<kop>smr904 : Static addressing or dhcp?
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11:21<smr904>ok what I did so far was - 1) configuring the eth2 (the one connecting to the LAN), then
11:22<smr904>2 configuring the NAT
11:22<smr904>and the ip forwarding
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11:22<smr904>then installed dnsmasq and ipmasq
11:22<smr904>reconfigured ipmasq with dpkg-reconfigure...
11:23<smr904>then I modified the sysctl.conf to net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
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11:24<smr904>all this was in that quide on ubuntu forums
11:24<petemc>smr904: you should concentrate on making the network between the machines work first
11:24<smr904>it doesn't work, and I admit I must have messed up smth somewhere..
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11:25<smr904>yeah, i guess u're right - the thing is that can't see the auto eth2 connection anymore in the networc connections..
11:26<bja>ml|: I hate X
11:26<Txt_file>how can I umount something sshfs mounted without root rights
11:26<johnfg>darkeagle, No, I'm not sure, but kadmind starts okay. Do you think I'll have to tweak either the network or the krbkdc scripts?
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11:26<smr904>however when i do ifconfig it shows me the WAN eth1, as well as the LAN eht2
11:27<bja>Txt_file: Have you tried umount
11:27<ml|>bja: why?
11:27<darkeagle>johnfg, I don't know... just came in mind
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11:27<petemc>smr904: tools like ethtool can tell you if an interface has a link or not
11:28<johnfg>I DID have that same thought. I'm on #kerberos too, so hopefully I'll get some answers.
11:28<Txt_file>tried umount but it says 'is not in the fstab (and you are not root)'
11:28<gsimmons>Txt_file: fusermount -u foo
11:28<Txt_file>thank you gsimmons
11:28<bja>ml|: I've tried to make X run a program when it starts up on a per user way, and it will not do as told.
11:28<bja>ml|: Out of revenge, I killed him je je
11:29<sney>X is pretty hateable
11:29<ml|>bja: how did you try this?
11:29<bja>gsimmons: Fuse file systems are the same as sshfs?
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11:30<bja>ml|: Tried sneaking the line in Xsession and it froze everything,
11:30<Txt_file>sshfs is one fusefs
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11:31<ml|>bja: in /etc/X11/Xsession ?
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11:31<bja>ml|: Tried using xinitrc and it won't be parsed by gdm
11:31<bja>ml|: yes tried that one too
11:31<ml|>bja: you only use one wm or de?
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11:32<bja>ml|: de??
11:32<ml|>bja: desktop env
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11:33<ml|>bja: why purge gdm and just use startx
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11:33<ml|>place startup stuff in ~/.xinitrc
11:33<bja>ml|: I use ion3, and i don't have any problems setting it up on my machine, but then again is for the general user
11:34<smr904>petemc: i checked that - it says yes there is a link on eth2 (the LAN)
11:34<bja>ml|: it won't be parsed by gdm
11:34<smr904>would that be usefull to post the entire output of ethtool?
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11:34<ml|>i tried with ~/.xsession here and failed like your atempt
11:34<petemc>smr904: good, so ensure addresses are configured correctly, and the xp box is using the ip of the debian box as a the gateway
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11:35<ml|>bja: no only ~/.xsession with a dm
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11:35<bja>ml|: It's very frustrating when docs are not representative of the behaviour of the programs
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11:35<smr904>ok.. i'll try again.
11:36<smr904>thanks for the help
11:36<ml|>so the debian way does not work here using xsession instead of xinitrc, yes
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11:36<ml|>bja: ^^
11:36<bja>ml|: No problemo renaming and restartig X
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11:37<ml|>bja: huh?
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11:37<ml|>bja: i'm back using ~/.xinitrc works fine here :)
11:38<bja>ml|: Just renamed and I'm back no change mhhh
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11:39<bja>ml|: renaming back and restarting X one more time (I'm getting good at this he he)
11:39<ml|>bja: ok,renaming what tho don't get it?
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11:40<ml|>bja: atleast your X starts won't even startup here with xsession
11:41<bja>ml|: I was renaming ~/xsession to ~/xinitrc back an forth and nothing to it
11:41<ml|>ah, yeah tried that too doesn't work
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11:42<ml|>my problem seems to be that debian does not see xmonad as a wm
11:42<petemc>its not listed with update-alternative --list x-window-manager?
11:42<bja>ml|: nor ion3
11:42<ml|>only openbox and fails when i try to use xsession
11:42<ml|>petemc: no
11:43<petemc>how did you install it?
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11:43<ml|>was not installed from repos, installed it my self because debian version is out of date
11:43<Gateway>hello, can somebody me help to resolv a problem for a dns server ?
11:43<petemc>ml|: well that explains that then
11:43<ml|>petemc: yeah thought so
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11:44<ml|>petemc: i was try to follow the debian way of uding xsession instead of xinitrc
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11:45<bja>!tell Gateway about ask
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11:47<Gateway>bja, I found in many web sites alot of solutions that I put but the dns server doesn't work at all. I'm using Debian lenny, I installed bind9 I modified named.conf to resolv local adresses
11:47<ml|>bja: did you try to set your wm with update-alternative --update x-window-manager, but if you only have ion3 it should be set already
11:47<petemc>Gateway: anything in the logs? you can use named-checkzone to check zone files
11:48<petemc>you should make changes to named.conf.local too...
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11:48<bja>ml|: No I just downloaded it with aptitude and it got set up automagically
11:48<Gateway>they are not domaines that I pocess they are just for a project
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11:49<bja>ml|: The gdm menu got set up and everything else
11:49<petemc>Gateway: what does that mean?
11:49<ml|>bja: ion3 the only wm or de installed right?
11:49<Gateway>it means that it's not really mine, because I'm just trying to do that locally
11:49<petemc>Gateway: that doesnt matter
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11:49<deadcat>anyone own a sheeva plug device? i am thinking about getting one. but not sure about the built-in 512MB flash disk space.
11:50<Gateway>petemc, would you like me to tell you what I've done and the configuration I set ?
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11:51<Gateway>they are principally two files that I changed for my needs
11:51<Gateway>named.conf and
11:52<ml|>hmm is there anyway to tell or force xmonad to be listed seen by os?
11:53<Gateway>I named the machine as server and the domaine is which gives
11:53<Gateway>named.conf contains this: $TTL 14400
11:54<ghantoos>Gateway: can you pastebin named.conf and
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11:54<Gateway>pastebin ?
11:54<Gateway>sorry for the poor english that I have :s
11:55<Gateway>copy them you would like to say ?
11:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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11:57<Gateway>ghantoos, of course thank you:)
11:58<Gateway>petemc, I have just pasted the named.conf configuration
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11:59<Gateway>sorry I was
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11:59<bja>Gateway: If you don't paste the url of your paste, ghantoos will have a hard time reading it je je
12:00<Gateway>bja, I'm really sorry for disturbing you but I don't know how I can get the url
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12:00<ml|>Gateway: where did you paste it?
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12:01<bja>Gateway: You have a browser opened where you are looking at your paste right?
12:01<Gateway>here it is
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12:02<bja>Gateway: You don't disturb me at all, I just do a comment so ghantoos can help you a lot faster. We are here to help each other
12:03<Gateway>thank you very much
12:03<Gateway>because it's the first time I come here asking help
12:03<bja>Gateway: np
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12:04<ml|>Gateway: we are all here to try to help
12:04<Gateway>I apperciate that :)
12:05<ml|>and learn also :)
12:06<Gateway>ghantoos, and here is the url of the zone of named.conf
12:06<bja>And also have fun share a beer and some other things, but you would have to hang around some time
12:06<bja>he he
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12:08<ml|>!beer bja
12:08*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for bja
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12:08<Gateway>my project is to make a machin for accomodation for multi-users
12:09<bja>thx I really needed that
12:09<Gateway>everything is all right, but accessing to the page with an adress like is ugly
12:09<Gateway>so I tried the virtualhost
12:09<bja>Gateway: Your english is somewhat broken anc you be more specific
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12:10<ml|>Gateway: what is your native language
12:10<Gateway>and I speak french too
12:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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12:10<ml|>Gateway: you can there also if it's easier for you
12:11<bja>Gateway: You are one brave man
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12:11<Gateway>thank you
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12:11<Gateway>but I like this channel and I like you all too :)
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12:11<ml|>cool :)
12:13<ghantoos>Gateway: what does 'dig' return?
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12:14<bja>Thank you all that love in the air was making me sick xD
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12:14<Gateway>I didn't understand what you mean
12:15*duill thinks Gateway's speaks English pretty well
12:15<ghantoos>Gateway: in a terminal type 'dig'
12:15<duill>'s <-- nuke
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12:15<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
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12:16<Gateway>ghantoos, it returns this
12:16<ghantoos>Gateway: you bind is on your local machine?
12:17<ghantoos>can you try adding nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf
12:17<ghantoos>add it on top, then retry dig
12:18<Gateway>I added it and under that line I put nameserver and search
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12:19<ghantoos>Gateway: is who's IP? your machine's?
12:19<Gateway>yes it is
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12:19<ghantoos>if you have another nameserver specified in /etc/resol.conf
12:19<ghantoos>make sure is on top
12:20<Gateway>here is the order line by line
12:21<ghantoos>Gateway: pastebin it :)
12:21<Gateway>just these lines
12:21<ghantoos>Gateway: when diggin you get the same result?
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12:22<Gateway>ghantoos, let me check please
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12:22<ghantoos>Gateway: if yes, can you paste /etc/bind/ on pastie?
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12:23<Gateway>ghantoos, after adding servername only the Server adress has changed
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12:23<Gateway>;; SERVER:
12:24<Gateway>before it was
12:24<ghantoos>Gateway: ok, you can remove actually, it is redundant with your 192.168 address
12:24<Gateway>I remove it from /etc/resolv.conf ?
12:25<ghantoos>yes, keep only
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12:25<ghantoos>Gateway: can you paste /etc/bind/ ?
12:25<Gateway>of course
12:27<Gateway>ghantoos, here
12:27<Gateway>and sorry again :s
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12:28<Gateway>should I ass a point to the end of " " in IN NS ?
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12:31<ghantoos>Gateway: if you don't own you shouldn't use it
12:31<ghantoos>here is what I recommend
12:31<Gateway>I don't own it of course
12:32<Gateway>ghantoos, go ahead please :)
12:32<sney>within your own network there's no obligation to use real fqdns
12:32<sney>I would say use name.server
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12:34<Gateway>sney, name.server as a fqdn ?
12:35<sney>just leave off the .com altogether
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12:35<Gateway>if I understood what you said, I have to use only server.server
12:35<ghantoos>Gateway: named.conf ->
12:35<sney>also works as extra insurance if any of your stuff winds up outside for whatever reason, it won't be trying to resolve important things on a box you don't own
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12:36<ghantoos>Gateway: /etc/bind/ ->
12:36<ghantoos>Gateway: your www machine would be reachable using www.home
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12:38<ghantoos>Gateway: actually remove the "" part
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12:39<Gateway>I'm going to try what you have just pasted :)
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12:39<Gateway>thanks I will tell you the results
12:40<ghantoos>Gateway: cool :)
12:40<ghantoos>Gateway: I hope this'll help :)
12:40<Gateway>and of course the other machins have to use as the adress of the dns server
12:40<ghantoos>Gateway: exactly
12:40<Gateway>the clients I want to say :)
12:40<Gateway>ok ;)
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12:46<Gateway>ghantoos, I guess I have to modify the /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
12:48<ghantoos>Gateway: it is not necessary
12:49<ghantoos>Gateway: you just need /etc/ersolv.conf to point to
12:49<Zviper>i keep on getting this when trying to use make: fatal error: error writing to /tmp/ccviYG0E.s: No space left on device
12:49<Gateway>I didn't access by www.home :s
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12:49<Zviper>there is about 200gb on the disk free
12:52<ghantoos>Gateway: when debugging DNS you should use dig
12:53<ghantoos>Gateway: what does is return? (pastie)
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12:54<Gateway>dig home
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12:55<ghantoos>dig www.home
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12:57<Gateway>sorry :s
12:57<Gateway>ghantoos, it returns this
12:57<Gateway>by typing dig home
12:57<ghantoos>type dig www.home
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13:00<bja>ml|: Do you know how to find the package that a files is supposed to belong?
13:00<ghantoos>Gateway: did you /etc/init.d/bind9 restart ?
13:00<ghantoos>Gateway: I mean after editing the files
13:00<Gateway>what a stupid I am
13:00<Gateway>I forgot that :s
13:00<bja>Zviper: df -h |grep /tmp
13:01<ghantoos>bja: dpkg --search /usr/sbin/add-shell
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13:02<bja>ghantoos: thx
13:02<ghantoos>bja: ;)
13:03<Gateway>ghantoos, here it is, after restarting bind
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13:04<ghantoos>Gateway: I have to go now, I'm sorry
13:05<ghantoos>Gateway: you should check to see if it logs some error in /var/log/
13:05<ghantoos>Gateway: I think it logs in /var/log/syslog (not sure though..)
13:06<bja>ghantoos: command is for installed packages, looking for something to install
13:06<Zviper>grep shows this overflow 1.0M 0 1.0M 0% /tmp
13:06<Zviper>overflow 1.0M 0 1.0M 0% /tmp
13:06<Zviper>overflow 1.0M 0 1.0M 0% /tmp
13:06<Zviper>overflow 1.0M 0 1.0M 0% /tmp
13:06<Zviper>only 2, not 3
13:06<Gateway>ghantoos, thank you very very much
13:06<ghantoos>bja: i see
13:07<Gateway>it wasreally kind of you to help me :))
13:07<ghantoos>Gateway: no prob :) I hope I did help :)
13:07<Gateway>of course you did :)
13:07<ml|>bja: sry don't know, but you and answer :)
13:07<themill>Zviper: weren't you in here the other day asking about this problem with "overflow" on /tmp?
13:07<Zviper>yeah i was but i had to leave
13:07<Gateway>ghantoos, thank you again :) bye
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13:08<ghantoos>bja: this might help you
13:08<ghantoos>bja: apt-file
13:08<bja>ghantoos: thx
13:09<themill>Zviper: well, I'm about to leave now... but we did work out that the reason you have "overflow" on tmp is that your / looks full during boot. You need to investigate why that is.
13:10<Zviper>i have about 200gb left on /, or am i misunderstanding?
13:12<themill>Zviper: as far as /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp is concerned, you have less than 1024 kB on /tmp during boot.
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13:17<h2-gw>is there a way to set up debian to run off ram while booted then write to disk when it shuts down?
13:17<h2-gw>or write to disk every x hours?
13:17<Zviper>i fixed it by editing the size in /etc/mtab
13:18<h2-gw>the goal is to let a service run but let the hard disk spin down and stop for normal operation
13:19<bja>Zviper: You are doing dangerous things there
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13:19<themill>Zviper: that won't persist beyond the next reboot though. (actually, a little surprised that it works at all).
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13:20<Zviper>this is a server and reboots are something i want to avoid
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13:21<themill>Poke around in /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp (line 27 or so) to see what values it might be getting
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13:22<Zviper>mount -t tmpfs -o size=1048576,mode=1777 overflow /tmp
13:22<Zviper>that is what it was in mtab too
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13:22<locklace>/etc/mtab should have gone away a long time ago
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13:26<Wilduck>hey guys, I'm running debian with kde, and I've had no trouble connecting to the internet wirelessly before, but last night my internet stoped working
13:26<Wilduck>knetworkmanager told me that it could not find a wireless device
13:26<Wilduck>any tips?
13:27<locklace>Wilduck: ls /sys/class/net
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13:27<Wilduck>unfortunately I'm not in debian right now
13:27<Wilduck>I'm booted into vista
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13:27<locklace>Wilduck: cat /proc/net/wireless
13:27<Wilduck>what should I be looking for ?
13:27<locklace>an interface
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13:28<Wilduck>I can't look at my debian filesystem right now
13:28<Wilduck>I only have one computer that dual booting
13:28<Wilduck>*that's dual booting
13:29<Wilduck>so, I'm going to need some instructions for what to do once I boot back into linux
13:29<tomi>have somebody problem with use graphic configuration tools in squeeze?
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13:29<box02>where I can ask about debian packaging?
13:29<locklace>Wilduck: step 1, verify your wireless driver is loaded and the interface exists. step 2, configure it.
13:30<Wilduck>is there a program I run to do that, or am I looking for a file to configure?
13:30<box02>how to make apt force install a package from repository?
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13:31<locklace>the above steps will show the interface if it exists. to configure it you can use ifconfig(8) or ip(8), and iwconfig(8).
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13:32<box02>ok .. bye there
13:32<box02>see you later
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13:33<Wilduck> does not exist =P
13:33<Wilduck>oh nevermind
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13:35<Wilduck>case sensitive in linux...
13:37<ibaneo>running Debian etch and desiring to use procmail to filter my emails
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13:38<ibaneo>also running exim4
13:38<Wilduck>ok I'm gonna try this
13:38<ibaneo>I created a simple rc file to test
13:39<petemc>ibaneo: if you have exim configured to deliver to local users it should just work
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13:39<bja>found this "" but then again "/usr/share/doc/x11-common/examples/xsession" is nowhere to be found
13:39<ibaneo>petemc: I have not touched the exim4 configuration file
13:39<bja>Anyone can help?
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13:40<petemc>ibaneo: exim4 -d -bt yourusername
13:40<bja>apt-file search gives no results, Am I chasing a ghost?
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13:44<joe__>how do i get rid of my login manager thing
13:44<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
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13:48<ml|>bja: i don't have that file either and searched with apt-cache and don't see either
13:48<joe__>i hit that ctrl+alt+fn and bout never figured out how to get back
13:49<joe__>F8 took me to a whole nother xwindows or something
13:49<joe__>then f9 brought me back
13:49<joe__>that was wierd
13:49<ibaneo>petemc: I guess I need to use update-exim4.conf to input the values
13:49<bananaseverywhere>Hi. What packages do I need to install to get a multicast router running? I have an app that outputs udp packets that I need to get working with a device that can only receive data from a multicast group. Also, could some simpler solution be used?
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13:49<bja>ml|: It seems the solution to having an .xsession that works is there je je
13:50<petemc>ibaneo: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
13:50<bja>ml|: Think I found a bug on the wiki
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13:51<ml|>bja: maybe that faq needs updating to point to the right file or suggest what is needed get that file
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13:51<bja>ml|: You are right, but they have to take a look there first.
13:51<bja>How do you report a bug on the wiki?
13:52<petemc>you dont, you just fix it
13:52<petemc>if you're sure you're correct
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13:53<joe__>is there a program like winscp for x ?
13:53<bja>petemc: How do I fix an info if i don't package the program?
13:53<petemc>its a wiki
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13:53<petemc>joe__: nautilus and konqueror can do sftp://
13:53<ibaneo>petemc: I am using mutt as my MUA, offlineimap for MRA and my mail server is hosted by ISP
13:54<joe__>will they keep a folder synced?
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13:54<joe__>i use it to edit my php and html files on my web server
13:54<ibaneo>petemc: so when reconfiguring exim4 what option should I take
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13:54<petemc>ibaneo: i dont believe any suit your needs
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13:55<petemc>you're limited in what you can do with debconf, if you need something slightly exotic you have to configure it yourself
13:55<ml|>bja: only way i see is to edit that page making a note that file is in squeeze for me and the version you re using
13:55<chealer>bja: if you don't mind and it's not too complex, which bug?
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13:55<Wilduck>so, I just tried all of the things suggested to me to get my wireless working
13:56<Wilduck>and iwconfig says I have an interface
13:56<Wilduck>but knetworkmangager still doesn't recognise any network device
13:56<ml|>chealer: 13:39:33 < bja> found this "" but then again "/usr/share/doc/x11-common/examples/xsession" is nowhere to be found
13:56<bja>ml|: thx
13:56<Wilduck>am I doing something wrong?
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13:57<ibaneo>petemc: I see, I just wanted to use mutt, and to retrieve my emails, and sort the different mailing lists
13:57<petemc>mutt can do pop and imap
13:58<chealer>bja: if you see an error in the wiki's content, that's not a bug. content issues aren't reported. fix them or leave them.
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13:59<ibaneo>at the moment, I did a quick config with mutt+offlineimap+msmtp and it is working fine for sending and receiving
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14:01<ibaneo>I just wanted to get the final step and to sort out the emails
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14:01<bja>chealer: How do I fix it, since I know it is wrong and I don't have the right answear ?
14:01<ibaneo>I guess I need to read a bit more and to find the right combination
14:01<bja>I'll be back in a few momments
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14:01<chealer>I'll be back later
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14:05<bja>Sorry had to change office
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14:08<bja>chealer: Faulty information is as bad as a bug in a program.
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14:09<petemc>bja: it may be that that information is correct for some other debian release than the on you're using
14:09<andrew>looking to run flok browser
14:09<andrew>any ideas?
14:10<ml|>andrew: apt-cache search or aptitude search
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14:11<bja>petemc: Why is it not written the specifics, then again is faulty information. Or am I wrong?
14:11<petemc>i dont know, i didnt read the page you're referring to
14:11<andrew>tried maybe i did it wrong?
14:11<petemc>i would suggest that a wiki having some possibly bogus info isnt uncommon
14:12<petemc>flock isnt in debian, is it?
14:12<andrew>what do i type in the old terminal?
14:12<gsimmons>andrew: Not yet packaged for Debian, see bug #335459 in the BTS.
14:12<ml|>bja: if you do a search on google for /usr/share/doc/x11-common/examples/xsession some man pages refer to that file also but they look old from like 2004 or so
14:12<andrew>damn it i'm pissed i ha dit working before
14:13<bja>ml|: thx it seems help for X on any distro is quite old :(
14:13<ml|>andrew: if it's not in the repos, and want so bad compile it yourself
14:13<andrew>un 9.04 try that that might clera stuff up
14:14<andrew>consdier going to ubuntu your on the actaul debain release?
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14:14<ml|>andrew: huh
14:15<andrew> are u running the actaul debain release?
14:15<ml|>i'm are you?
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14:15<andrew>i'm on ubuntu
14:16<ml|>dpkg: tell andrew about ubuntu
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14:17<andrew>ok back in room
14:17<bja>chealer: ""
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14:18<kins>anyone knows to use gammu
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14:19<kins>i cant connect my nokia 6300 in nokia mode using it
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14:21<andrew>i have can't use it should delte it
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14:22<k1lumin4t1>any away to do a USB Debian install?
14:22<k1lumin4t1>I've tried several methods for the USB image generation
14:22<andrew>tried to do that with ubuntu no dice
14:22<k1lumin4t1>non of them have actually worked
14:22<ml|>k1lumin4t1: try with unebooting
14:22<bja>ml|: thx, I guess I'll keep researching, although its quite frustrating
14:22<k1lumin4t1>ml|, unebootinh?
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14:23<ml|>k1lumin4t1: try with unetbooting ...
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14:24<andrew>would be intreted too
14:24<ml|>bja: seems that does not exist
14:24<andrew>use google and search strings
14:25<andrew>like usb +ubuntu+install
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14:27<bja>ml|: The file doesn't exist at least for the last three years, I'll have to take a look at Sarge or potatoe to look for it.
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14:29<bja>ml|: I just can't get a no for an answear
14:30<andrew>u can probaly do it
14:30<andrew>usb install
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14:34<ml|>bja: well did remove that line from manpage for xsession
14:35<ml|>so this bug is fixed in a way
14:35<ml|>bja: if i find anything else will let you know
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14:43<designs703>How do I know which ports are open on my Debian server? I'm running a Linode, and a port that's accessible locally (8000) is not available from the outside, and I'm not sure why this is
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14:44<petemc>designs703: netstat -puant
14:44<petemc>you need to be root to use -p
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14:45<designs703>the output is incorrect. port 80 is open and is not reported
14:45<cahoot>designs703: no router in between you and the net?
14:45<designs703>nevermind, forgot the -a
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14:46<designs703>can you access ?
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14:47<designs703>that command reports that port 8000 is owned by python and is listening. I'm not sure why it can't be accessed
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14:48<cahoot>designs703: no router ?
14:48<designs703>who do you mean by "you"? my server or my client?
14:49<patrikf>designs703: maybe a server-side router, a client-side firewall, or a configuration error (listening only for local connections)
14:50<designs703>hm. I run stuff out of 80 just fine, and I've had no problem running out of 8000 in the past. Something must have change
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14:57<tone>i need some simple help with cgoban. anyone wanna help? i can't figure out single player mode
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15:03<designs703>problem fixed, it was on the client side (port blocked)
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15:05<tone>cgoban? single player mode?
15:05<dondelelcaro>tone: what about it?
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15:05<dondelelcaro>tone: in single player mode you use a go engine like gnugo to play the moves for you
15:06<tone>i'm retarted and can't figure out how to do single player mode
15:06<dondelelcaro>tone: though if I were you, I'd strongly recommend using qgo instead
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15:06<tone>when i start it, i'm asked to plaace both black and white stones
15:07<tone>dondelelcaro, same thing with qgo. I'm a beginner
15:07<tone>with go, that is.
15:08<dondelelcaro>tone: yes, because if you're using cgoban, you want the "modem" option and to play against the computer running gnugo (or similar)
15:08<dondelelcaro>tone: with qgo, use the "play with program" option
15:09<tone>dondelelcaro, ok, thank you kindly
15:09<tone>dondelelcaro, you're sying there is no single-player mode in cgoban, correct?
15:09<dondelelcaro>tone: no, that's not what i'm saying
15:10*tone rereading
15:10<dondelelcaro>tone: I'm saying that the single-player mode you get by using the "play by modem" option, and then instead of a modem, having one player be gnugo
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15:12<tone>dondelelcaro, very helpfull, i'll do some more fishing around in the startup dialog. thank you.
15:13<dondelelcaro>tone: but you'll really be better off using qgo instead of cgoban; it's much more powerful and is actually maintained
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15:14<dondelelcaro>(with the added benifit that qgo works properly with igs)
15:14<tone>dondelelcaro, i'll install it.
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15:16<tone>hah, i already had it installed
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15:19<tone>dondelelcaro, still playing both colors in qgo, even though in the prefs it's "computer versus human"
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15:20<dondelelcaro>tone: you selected "play with program", right?
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15:21<tone>dondelelcaro, i see that option now
15:22<tone>yeah that works
15:22<tone>thanks, ima spank some chinese ass now
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15:23<dondelelcaro>uh... if you're a beginner, you should focus on actually learning the rules and basic strategy
15:23<tone>only one way of doing that, isn't there?
15:23<tone>jump in?
15:23<dondelelcaro>quite a few ways, actually
15:24<tone>what do you recommend?
15:24<dondelelcaro>tone: I'd start here:
15:25<tone>wow, cool info
15:27<tone>alright, time to get humiliated.
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15:41<dpkg><rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there
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15:42<Supaplex>cardbus and expresscard are, but I doubt there are many out there.
15:43<adama>still a terrible solution
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15:43<Supaplex>quite. :)
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15:53<fmr>hello, I'm on AMD64 Lenny, I want to know how it is possible without reinstall completely, make an upgrade for an Intel Core i7 ?
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15:55<dpkg>[amd64] the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. See also <why amd64>.
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15:56<danger_>evening guys can you help me setup wireless on an "aging" Toshiba Portege please running debian lenny?
15:56<fmr>Supaplex: :) thank you
15:56<Supaplex>fmr: if i7 has the same support, you might not need to change anything.
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15:56<Supaplex>!tell danger_ -about wireless
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15:57<fmr>Supaplex: I hope
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15:57<danger_>Thanks for that lspci gives Intel Corp PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B mini PCI adpater Rev 4, will I need to use ndiswrapper?
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15:58<danger_>!wlan howto
15:58<dpkg>The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also and
15:58<Supaplex>danger_: run lspci -nn | grep Wireless
15:58<Supaplex>what's the [nnnn:zzzz] numbers?
15:59<Supaplex>keep looking.
15:59<Supaplex>you can paste that one line
16:00<danger_>No I can type it out though (only got wireless here)
16:00<Supaplex>I'm looking for the vendor id, for intel is most likely 8086, and the device id
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16:01<Supaplex>or run lspci -k I think it is.
16:02<danger_>lspci -k just gives "kernel modules" ipw2100 for the wireless card
16:03<Supaplex>lsmod | grep ipw2100 will tell you if it's loaded.
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16:04<danger_>I get ipw2100 \t 66608 \t 0
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16:05<cahoot>also need firmware-ipw2x00
16:05<Supaplex>so it's loaded. what else have you learned from the wiki?
16:05<danger_>Reading it at the moment thanks
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16:08<danger_>Well it looks like this is my particular thing
16:08<danger_>which makes sense
16:08<danger_>Still have no clue how to actually get it working
16:08<cahoot>you also need firmware-ipw2x00 danger_
16:09<danger_>sorry cahoot what does that mean?
16:09<cahoot>aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00 danger_
16:09<danger_>thank you
16:09<danger_>will that be in the "nonfree" repos?
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16:10<cahoot>contrib IIRC
16:10<Supaplex>most likely
16:10<Supaplex>!+info firmware-ipw2x00 lenny
16:10<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
16:10<cahoot>err non-free
16:10<Supaplex>dpkg: you are slow
16:10<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
16:10<dpkg>firmware-ipw2x00: (Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and 2915), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 0.14+lenny1 (lenny), Packaged size: 507 kB, Installed size: 1252 kB
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16:11<danger_>exxxceeellleeennnttt will go off and try that on the lappy now :)
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16:12<cahoot>danger_: modprobe -r ipw2x00; modprobe ipw2x00 to actually make use of the firmware
16:12<irocksu>is there a way to throttle a cpu within debian?
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16:12<Supaplex>I need to update my aspireone now that I have ethernet nearby. note to self, don't install a kernel unless you're within arms reach of Ethernet so upon reboot, madwifi can be recompiled (with all deps), and ath_pci can be reloaded.
16:13<irocksu>i have this old laptop 2.4 ghz p4. i want to use it as a personal server.
16:13<cahoot>irocksu: looking for cpufrewutils?
16:14<irocksu>cahoot can they drop the energy level? so that i get say 600 mhz
16:14<ml|>irocksu: only if the cpu is capbable i believe
16:14<Supaplex>irocksu: find /lib/modules/ -iname \*demand\*
16:15<ml|>irocksu: try cpufreq-info
16:15<Supaplex>there are other modules, eg apm, acpi with varying levels of ablility. see also powertop (but seems only useful for laptops on battery)
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16:16<irocksu>yeah got it
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16:17<ml|>irocksu: you can also use cpufreq_powersave
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16:17<irocksu>this is bad. no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
16:17<irocksu>i guess it will not work
16:18<irocksu>the above is the output of cpufreq-info
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16:18<ml|> install cpufrequtils sysfsutils
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16:19<ml|>irocksu: then cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"
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16:20<irocksu>ml| : it has my model name
16:21<irocksu>Intel.... 2.53 GHz
16:21<ml|>pentium M?
16:21<irocksu>no p4
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16:22<irocksu>i remember they used much power
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16:22<ml|>modprobe p4_clockmod
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16:23<ml|>then modprobe cpufreq_ondemand
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16:23<ml|>or whatever setting you want
16:24<ml|>cpufreq_powersave <-- will save the most
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16:24<irocksu>how do i use it?
16:25<irocksu>i do not have the package i guess.
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16:25<ml|>irocksu: read up
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16:26<irocksu>but now i have powersave and ondemand
16:27<irocksu>how does my laptop know which to use?
16:27<ml|>irocksu: only use one
16:27<irocksu>how do i unload the others?
16:28<ml|>hmm don't remember
16:28<irocksu>ok found it
16:28<irocksu>it was -r
16:28<irocksu>one last question
16:28<Supaplex>modprobe -r
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16:28<ml|>so which are you using?
16:29<irocksu>now i have cpufreq_userspace ...powersave ...conservative and stats
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16:29<dpkg>rumour has it, modules is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, look into module-assistant
16:29<irocksu>are they concurent?
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16:29<Supaplex>dpkg: your factoid is bland!
16:29<dpkg>Supaplex: okay
16:29<Supaplex>dpkg: your factoid
16:29<dpkg>hmm... your factoid is bland!
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16:30<Supaplex>dpkg: forget your factoid
16:30<dpkg>i forgot your factoid, Supaplex
16:30<Supaplex>no!!! I still want mine!
16:30<irocksu>i want powersave because you said it uses the least energy
16:30<irocksu>this is not about speed
16:30<ml|>powersave, which is the opposite, clocks the CPU statically to the lowest frequency : cpufreq_powersave
16:31<ml|>then modprobe cpufreq_powersave
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16:31<irocksu>i have it
16:31<irocksu>but what about the others?
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16:31<llutz>irocksu: P4 won't save any energy at all, no speedstep etc. available (p4-clockmod is a "fake")
16:31<franklin_>irocksu: you can load as many coufreq drivers as you want. cpufreq-info and cpufreq-set can show/set the one to use...
16:31<irocksu>llutz: you sure?
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16:32<llutz>only mobile-cpu work
16:32<franklin_>irocksu: but configure it in /etc/default/cpufrequtils
16:32<ml|>irocksu: llutz might be right but you can try the rest if you want
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16:32<djmerri>hey guys I installed that module but now I can't figure out how to scan and connect to networks
16:32<franklin_>irocksu: Finally, Intel is recommending "ondemand" as far as I know.
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16:33<bloom>I just got a new computer, and on the new computer, my dmesg is being spammed with the message "hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 9" the entire time the computer is on. I have a card reader connected by internal USB that's not being recognized by lsusb. Does this mean the card reader is defective?
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16:34<ml|>irocksu: if want to continue... echo powersave | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
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16:34<ml|>irocksu: the verify with cpufreq-info It should output your actual frequency, as well as the governor presently in use.
16:35<ml|>irocksu: if that works lmk, you need to do a few more things to make this permanent
16:36<irocksu>thanks. i guess i will know what to look for
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16:38<danger_>you guys are awesome, wireless working now thanks!!
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16:41<bja>ml|: I'm back, had to run. Thx for the comment above, I'll mail one of the guys on the wiki to correct the mistake and to have an aclaration that there can be no per user customization
16:42<ml|>bja: yes you mean declaration?
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16:44<ml|>anybody have this file ... /usr/share/doc/x11-common/examples/xsession
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16:47<dpkg>well, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
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16:48<bja>ml|: You know what I mean :)
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16:48<ml|>bja: yeah and np
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16:53<adri>hi all
16:53<adri>anybody can tell me chipset EP45 how supported by debian kernel 2.6.26-2 ?
16:54<adri>i have a cd drive problem and problem with sound card microphone
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16:58<locklace>adri: can you try with the 2.6.29 kernel package from sid
16:58<Supaplex>is there some trick to automatically m-a prepare for any kernel updates? I'd like to have dependencies of m-a modules etc available if I need to reboot into a newer kernel, and recompile madwifi for instance.
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17:04<bja>ml|: bug report done.
17:05<irocksu>ml|: i found this article i guess p4-clockmod does not help me :(
17:05<irocksu>it states more or less that p4-clockmod is only to prevent overheating
17:06<ml|>irocksu: never tried it myself but was worth a shot
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17:06<irocksu>whatever. at least we know a bit more about this stuff ;)
17:07<ml|>yes p4 and cpu_scaling does not work
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17:08<ml|>p3 and amd64 cpu_scaling works great here :)
17:09<ml|>bja: lmk if anything comes of it
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17:09<iD>Anyone know how to increase the number of windows in screen above 40? I need about 70.
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17:15<Supaplex>iD: I vagely recall that being a compiled limit.
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17:20<iD>Supaplex: Ah - yikes. Thanks though - I'll take a quick look at the code I guess.
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17:21<Supaplex>iD: If I recall correctly, you can change it and recompile. \o/ for apt-get source :)
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17:27<bja>ml|: ok you are first on the list
17:27<melkart>if i want to wipe a partition, does it matter if i use "dd if=/dev/zero... " or "dd if=/dev/urandom..."? is one of those faster than the other?
17:27<iD>Yep, looks like I need to recompile (
17:28<adama>zero might possibly be faster melkart
17:28<Supaplex>melkart: zero is faster.
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17:28<iD>And other report (
17:28<Supaplex>melkart: don't forget to use a semi genorus bs=. like one or two meg etc.
17:29<ml|>bja: cool, maybe someone will make an example eventually
17:30<iD>melkart: /dev/zero is significantly faster
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17:30<melkart>Supaplex: if i do forget it... it would slow down the whole thing?
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17:30<Supaplex>melkart: bs=512 by default. usually very slow.
17:30<iD>melkart: I found /dev/urandom will not return anything if you aren't generating entopy on some machines.
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17:32<melkart>thx... it indeed speeds it up a bit
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17:38<iD>Thanks for the help Supaplex.
17:39<bja>ml|: Hope so
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17:46<cureless>anybody running unstable on x86_64 and a Radeon HD3470?
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17:47<ml|>dpkg: ask
17:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:48<cureless>I know, I know.
17:48<cureless>basically, after a recent update I can't get X back up.
17:48<cureless>I've tried radeon hd, ati, fglrx
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17:49<cureless>as well as the non-packaged version.
17:49<cureless>It crashes X, sometimes locking the machine.
17:50<cureless>even X -configure crashes
17:51<Supaplex>cureless: has anyone else seen this? you're using Lenny only?
17:51<cureless>current unstable
17:52<cureless>as of a few hours ago
17:52<Supaplex>cureless: anything in bts? what's the changelog since the last known good release you used?
17:53<cureless>well, probably a lot, since last time I rebooted was around 150 days ago.
17:53<cureless>don't normally restart X on updates.
17:53<cureless>I was looking at the mailing lists but didn't see anything that caught my eye
17:53<Supaplex>unstable. it's truth in advertising. :)
17:54<cureless>so I dropped in here in case it was something well known
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17:54<Supaplex>if you haven't rebooted in 150 days, see if you can find what was installed then. once it's working, a binary search will root out what broke it.
17:55<Supaplex>It would be nice if I had something more difinitive, but there are a lot of unknowns still.
17:55<cureless>I know when something is a config problem, but this seems to be more
17:55<cureless>I normally don't get crash backtraces on X -configure
17:55<locklace>cureless: did your update change your x drivers
17:56<cureless>well, after the first problems I started trying different options
17:56<cureless>I have to backtrace my steps
17:56<cureless>like I said, just dropped by to see if there was something obvious I wasn't aware of
17:57<cureless>like "oh, you didn't know we changed the way XXX works!!"
17:57<locklace>cureless: first thing i'd try is revert to your original working x driver if it's possible to do that without changing other things
17:57<Supaplex>bts would be the obvious place to list that.
17:57<locklace>hehe. yeah, haven't heard anything like that
17:57<Supaplex>but yeah, we're aloof if there's anything otherwise :)
17:58<locklace>yeah. and if there isn't a bug, hoping you can narrow it down enough to raise a critical one ;)
17:58<cureless>s'ok, I'm gonna do a more careful analysis first, then I'll be back with more questions
17:58<Supaplex>good luck =)
17:58<locklace>ok, let us know how it goes
17:58<locklace>i'm sensitive to that problem since i have the same card. hehe
17:58<cureless>the first time I set it up (~150 days ago)... I probably had to do some config hacks somewhere
17:59<cureless>I run dual displays over displayport
17:59<cureless>and it's a pain
17:59<cureless>why o why did I have to go reboot...
17:59<cureless>only to get the updated network driver kernel-built.
17:59<themill>You presumably have a new kernel too....
17:59<cureless>yeah, I'm aware
18:00<cureless>I had to hand compile my net driver before, but the new kernel has it built in, hence I decided to upgrade kernels
18:00<Supaplex>more fun than a barrel of moin, I mean monkies
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18:00<cureless>a barrel of moin is also fun... i've heard
18:03<locklace>obvious thing to try since you did some config hacking is try x with no conf, if you haven't already (and if that works at all on your setup)
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18:03<cureless>locklace: do you use radeonhd?
18:03<locklace>nope, custom radeon
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18:10<franklin_>bja: what's the program you wanted to autostart?
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18:11<bloodyriver>hi at all
18:12<dpkg>All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either.
18:12<Supaplex>hahaha. dpkg is tEh awesome.
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18:14<cureless>alright, crash is due to fglrx-driver
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18:15<Supaplex>!lart fglrx-driver
18:15*dpkg beats fglrx-driver senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
18:15<franklin_>bja: ~/.config/autostart/* seems to be the current way to start a program for Gnome,XFCE and may be other desktops.. see
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18:15<Supaplex>hehe nice.
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18:19<ml|>dpkg: rocks
18:19<dpkg>Yer damned right...
18:22<cureless>ok, I'm back to a "normal" error.. "invalid connector information".. time to search the interwebs
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18:23<ml|>franklin_: are you saying that only wm or de should go in ~/.xsession and autostart should go ~/.config/wm/ ?
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18:25<deniz>how do i cd to the directory of the trash with terminal?
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18:26<pwork>Hello, I build Q3 sources in a lenny 32b chroot on a lenny host. Q3 uses OSS, but ALSA is installed on host. I read some www tips on getting sounds in Q3 through ALSA OSS emulation, but it didn't work. In fact, I wonder if my host has the ALSA OSS emulation support. How can I get that inf o please ?
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18:26<pwork>I read music through ALSA flawlessly on host and chroot.
18:26<pwork>Q3 runs fine, but no sound
18:27<pwork>The host is lenny 64b
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18:29<pwork>I'd like to know if the host kernel ALSA has OSS emulation support before deciding to recompile a new kernel just for this.
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18:29<bja>franklin_: Sorry, I wass away
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18:29<bja>franklin_: Just for starts or proof of concept urxvtcd a demon to connect consoles
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18:30<ml|>deniz: ~/.local/share/Trash i believe don't use a de anymore
18:32<ml|>bja: franklin_ maybe on to something, when i was using openbox that is how i set it up
18:32<franklin_>bja: Do you want to repalce xdm/gdm... ?
18:33<ml|>but don't think that will work for me becuase squeeze can't see my wm, but will try when i get a chance
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18:35<deniz>ml|, k, thanks but sudo rm -rf * deleted everything xept one folder with a bunch of directories, if i cant remove it with root access then what can I do?? (ls doesn't list anything in the trash directory either so the terminal thinks that it's all deleted?)
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18:36<locklace>"sudo rm -rf *" to manage a user trash directory - gotta love it.
18:36<bja>franklin_: At this point in time it sounds great
18:36<bja>franklin_: I'm reading the page you posted
18:36<pwork>I go to sleep. Be back to you if I find a solution
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18:37<bja>Poll initialization, how many hours of sleep do you get?
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18:37<deniz>locklace, what are you suggesting? graphically it caused me problems and with terminal I removed many of the things I normally couldn't but left one folder full of other stuff, i rely dont feel like right clicking on all and changing permissions to "allow creating files and writing to files etc"
18:38<deniz>i have tooooooooooooo many things that need to be deleted
18:38<bja>locklace: It does work sometimes
18:38<ml|>deniz: like i said don't use a de any more, but there should be an option to empty the trash
18:39<franklin_>ml|: Yes, this what I understand, by reading /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* files. (except ~/.config/autostart/ is supposed to be unique and cross-desktop). All I can say it "Works for me in Gnome" (and it's managed by Gnome's GUI session manager)
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18:39<deniz>ml|, ya it doesn't allow me (that's the problem)
18:39<bja>franklin_: I dropped gnome sometime before my last lap got fried
18:39<bja>as in fried potatoes
18:40<bja>deniz: try ls -la
18:40<deniz>bja, what does that do that ls alone doesn't? what does what it lists mean?
18:41<tarzeau>bja: dropped it for what? windowmaker?
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18:41<bja>tarzeau: ion2 upgraded on lenny to ion3
18:41<ml|>franklin_: i'm using xmonad and not from the repos which causes problems, but will try it whe I get a change soon, thanks for the info as it reminded me what i had done before with openbox
18:41<bja>deniz: ls -l long -a all
18:42<deniz>bja, thanks but im not too sure if what it shows me is even cd-able
18:42<deniz>ill pastebin it wait
18:42<ml|>deniz: that will list hidden files too
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18:43<locklace>deniz: well if you need it then you need it but why you should need it for a user trash directory is one question, and also it's better to avoid using wildcards in root rm -rf commands, especially *, and globbing is fickle anyway, use "rm -rf dir" instead
18:43<bja>locklace: Today is one of those day that you would spoil the movie Rambo 5
18:43<locklace>!confuse bja
18:43<dpkg>Yes, them is your gouda yesterday, bja? Trousers of the Democracy of Belarus with extra crabpaste.
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18:45<ml|>deniz: i believe if you remove the Trash folder, your de will recreate it or you can create again as user not root
18:46<ml|>deniz: it is empty what is the problem?
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18:46<deniz>ml|, terminal says it's empty, GNOME says it isn't
18:46<deniz>ml|, do I need to restart the GUI or comp?
18:46<ml|>deniz: dunno but restart X won't hurt
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18:47<Supaplex>does sid have any virtual packages for vserver guests to preclude things like lspci that are only useful in a real hardware host?
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18:48*Supaplex was pondering a backport
18:48<bja>deniz: The paste you gave says that the dir is empty.
18:48<locklace>why do you think lspci isn't useful for vms
18:48<ml|>bja: read up ;)
18:48<Supaplex>locklace: because it's not exported in a vserver guest. the guest has no access to hardware.
18:49<dpkg>Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. . See also <virtualization>.
18:49<bja>ml|: time?
18:49<ml|>18:46:10 < ml|> deniz: it is empty what is the problem?
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18:49<Supaplex>locklace: they're all running on the same kernel, but capabilities are limited in a guest.
18:49<ml|>18:46:27 < deniz> ml|, terminal says it's empty, GNOME says it isn't
18:49<ml|>18:46:35 < deniz> ml|, do I need to restart the GUI or comp?
18:49<locklace>oh, got it. haven't looked at vserver
18:50<bja>ml|: Ok i get the idea, I'm too short on zzs
18:50<deniz>ill be bak
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18:50<Supaplex>hence the 'cruft' that collects from unneeded stuff a host needs. like fsck :)
18:50<ml|>bja: heh
18:50<bja>ml|: you forgot a small detail
18:50<bja>je je
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18:51<locklace>Supaplex: yeah, with that kind of environment there's a ton of stuff you'd want to leave out of an install
18:51<bja>ml|: she never erased anything from the .local/share/Trash/info dir so the wm thinks everything is still there je je je
18:52<ml|>bja: lol forgot that dir
18:52<bja>I suddenly feel in a backyardigans cartoon
18:52<bja>je je
18:52<Supaplex>hwclock, modprobe, kernel images, boot loader, la la laaa...
18:53*ml| does not use gnome or a de for that matter any more
18:53<locklace>Supaplex: easier in fact to pick what you want to go in rather than what to take out. kind of surprised that approach wasn't taken from the beginning
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18:54<ml|>deniz: ok now?
18:54*bja thinks stakes run high at this momment
18:54<deniz>ml|, no :(
18:54<ml|>bja: :p
18:54<bja>deniz: What wm are you using
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18:56<ml|>bja: he emptied all files in Trash
18:56<deniz>bja, GNOME
18:56<ml|>so info should be gone also
18:56<bja>ml|: you are right
18:57<bja>deniz: take out Trash
18:57<bja>deniz: meaning rm -rf Trash
18:57<bja>deniz: That way gnome will have to remake that whole branch of dirs
18:57<ml|>so now gnome is confused
18:57<deniz>sudo rm -rf Trash did nothing
18:58<ml|>deniz: no need for sudo you own Trash dir
18:58<bja>deniz: take it easy on sudo, it looks like you are using ubuntu
18:58<Supaplex>locklace: it's part of the 'base' phenomina (how ever you spell it). initscripts: Depends: e2fsprogs etc.
18:58<bja>deniz: if you are to become root then do a su
18:59<bja>deniz: I don't know why but it usually works better
18:59<deniz>su then rm -rf Trash didn't do anything either :(
19:00<ml|>deniz: try it in console out of X
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19:00<deniz>ml|, same problem
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19:00<ml|>then get back into X and delete something gnome might fix it for you
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19:01<ml|>deniz: i don't understand you clearly own that dir
19:01<locklace>Supaplex: yeah in order to do it properly you really have to have a whole parallel dependency environment
19:01<bja>deniz: ml| is right log out of X, get into a tty as root do an /etc/init.d/gdm stop then erase away whatever you feel like
19:02<ml|>gnome might refusing to allow Trash to be deleted while in use
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19:03<Supaplex>!stab gnome
19:03*dpkg runs at gnome with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
19:03<bja>ml|: I guess so, but as root there should be no problem anyway the dark side of selfdestruction
19:03<deniz>ml|, bja, to kill something i can do sudo killall thething but what if I want to END something and not force it as in killing, what do I replace killall with?
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19:04<ml|>deniz: what are you trying to kill
19:05<bja>deniz: just type kill pid of the program you want dead
19:05<deniz>ml|, gdm but id just like to know for the sake of knowledge
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19:05<bja>deniz: you get the pid whit pidof name_program
19:05<ml|>deniz: bja said already read up
19:06<bja>deniz: loging out of gnome is the polite way of killing it initially
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19:07<bja>ml|: forgot to tell him about screen je je
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19:07<deniz>same issue
19:08<deniz>i did sudo rm -rf while being out of GNOME
19:08<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about screen
19:08<bja>ml|: cheater
19:09<ml|>deniz: on ~/.local/share/Trash ?
19:09<ml|>deniz: and did you stop gdm?
19:10<deniz>ml|, ya i did
19:10<deniz>ill do it again brb
19:10<bja>deniz: you are trying to erase Trash one level up right?
19:10<deniz>bja, what do you mean by "one level up"?
19:11<deniz>as in what's within it?
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19:11<bja> as you type ls and it appears on the screen
19:12<dpkg><bja> deniz: take it easy on sudo, it looks like you are using ubuntu
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19:12<deniz>what's wrong with sudo? i use it so it gets out if i forget ctrl+d
19:12<bja>Another cheater grrr
19:13<gnufan>Where are the "Compose" key mappings stored in Debian, and what is the preferred way of adding a modification. I just want to map some weird characters in en_GB, and it looks like they may be in en_US already.... but it all moved since X11R6.....
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19:14<deniz>ml|, bja, anyways, thanks for your help but i need to study so ill deal with this another time
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19:15<bja>deniz: Your time your decision, take care
19:15<deniz>no it's decision
19:16<bja>deniz: Yea some times i get confuesde
19:16<bja> je je
19:16<deniz>lol it's ok
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19:17<ml|>deniz: sudo is fine, if that's what you want to use, but su is prefer around here
19:17<bja>locklace: what was that command for the bot?
19:17<gnufan>Okay /usr/share/X11/locale .... hmm but no Compose for my locale so presumable I get "en"
19:18<locklace>!tell bja about qotd
19:18<bja>locklace: you honor me
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19:19<ml|>dpkg: qotd0
19:19<dpkg><{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd
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19:21<bja>!beer locklace
19:21*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for locklace
19:23<Supaplex>dpkg: sudo make me a sandwich
19:23<dpkg>Supaplex: are you smoking crack?
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19:23<ml|>dpkg: qotd240
19:23<dpkg>< bja> locklace: you honor me
19:23<k1lumin4t1>is there any known working method to set a Debian USB installer?
19:24<Supaplex>k1lumin4t1: define 'set'....
19:24<k1lumin4t1>I have tried this: with no success
19:24<bja>ml|: cut it out, just erase that last one
19:24<k1lumin4t1>Supaplex, to build a installer on a USB kery
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19:24<Supaplex>!brain bleach
19:24<Supaplex>ahh fooey.
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19:25<Supaplex>k1lumin4t1: you're not reusing the provided usb/hdd image?
19:25<k1lumin4t1>Supaplex, huh?
19:26<ml|>dpkg: qotd240
19:26<dpkg>< bja> ml|: cut it out, just erase that last one
19:26<Supaplex>k1lumin4t1: there's already d-i images for usb install
19:26<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
19:27<k1lumin4t1>Supaplex, yes there are, but they always need a .iso (netinst)
19:27<ml|>bja: i did erase it
19:27<bja>ml|: Didn't figure out how to do it myself
19:27<Supaplex>odd. I thought they'd use a syslinux+netboot combo.
19:27<bja>je je
19:27<abrotman>please stop messing with the bot
19:28<bja>!beer abrotman
19:28*dpkg pulls out a tasty Guinness for abrotman
19:28<k1lumin4t1>Supaplex, where are those images?
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19:28<ml|>abrotman: ok, sry just messing around
19:28<dpkg>netboot is probably a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>. To include non-free <firmware> within Debian netboot images, see
19:28<k1lumin4t1>Supaplex, that's netboot, not usb
19:29<Supaplex>k1lumin4t1: if you can syslinux the usb stick, load vmlinux+initrd as usual. ... ah hem, you did ask.
19:29<Supaplex>1m, I'll find the usb install.
19:29<ml|>k1lumin4t1: did you try with unetbootin
19:29<Supaplex>uh, yeah, you said you already did, and they need a .iso?
19:29<k1lumin4t1>ml|, yes, it worked. But then when I go through the installation it still asks for the CD
19:30<k1lumin4t1>ml|, I tried unetbootin with the netinst.iso
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19:31<ml|>well i don't think that will work, i think you need a regular iso but not sure
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19:32<bja>abrotman: sry the last 48 hrs have been very rough
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19:32<abrotman>so go to bed ?
19:33<ml|>bja: is trying to get me in trouble ;P
19:33<bja>abrotman: not that simple
19:33<abrotman>you guys can all go play in #debian-offtopic ?
19:33<bja>ml|: you can manage that one on your own
19:33<bja>take it easy there is no bot there
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19:34<bja>I'll just disappear
19:34<bja> cu all
19:34<abrotman>you could uh .. talk to each other?
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19:34<Supaplex>$LANG barrier ?
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20:15<[gloom]>I used to compile a custom kernel in my debian sid. Each time a new version appeared in the repos, I compiled it again, and recompiled the nvidia driver for this custom kernel version. If I install the package for the last amd64 kernel image (which will get updates with newer kernel versions) which package do I need to have always the right nvidia driver module (so it can get automatic updates too)???
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20:26<abrotman>[gloom]: you shouldn't have to do that
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20:28<[gloom]>abrotman: well, that's what i've done for some time. If you compile your own kernel, you need to recompile the nvidia module. Now, I'm asking because I don't want to do it this way anymore. So If I install the precompiled debian image, which package I need to ensure that the nvidia module will match always the kernel version as the kernel updates?
20:28<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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20:30<gnufan>I found a solution to why I can't type Interrobangs ‽ -- Google knew if you just asked the right question.
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20:34<[gloom]>abrotman: in that docs, says exactly what I'm doing. To recompile the module in each kernel change. Since there are pre-compiled kernel images, I can't imagine that there's not always going to be a pre-compiled kernel module matching the pre-compiled kernel version. So the questio is: Given that there is a package which points always to "the last pre-compiled kernel", is there any other that points always to "the last precompiled nvidi
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20:35<abrotman>can't you use nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 ?
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20:36<[gloom]>abrotman: ok, imagin I do that. Then which nvidia-kernel-module should I install?
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20:37<[gloom]>abrotman: should I compile myself? And When the nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 gets updated.... should I compile the nvidia-kernel-module again?
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20:37<abrotman>i guess you may have to ..
20:37<gnufan>[gloom]: it is a meta package that does just that isn't it?
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20:39<[gloom]>I did't read correctly that package name....
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20:39<[gloom]>so the metapackage I'm looking for is nvidia-kernel-2-6.686 right?
20:40<[gloom]>that will point always to the precompiled nvidia-kernel-module matching the last precompiled linuz kernel image, isn't it?
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22:25<johnfg>hi guys
22:25<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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22:25<johnfg>I've got a problem with krbkdc not starting up at boot. kadmind does fine.
22:25<johnfg>I didn't get any help, or much help, over in #kerberos.
22:26<johnfg>btw...kbrkdc starts fine, after boot, from the cli.
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23:24<jas>ola all
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23:25<sighK>hello everyone
23:25<sighK>is there a channel to give ideas
23:25<sighK>I have one that would make debian better yet
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23:25<jas>wow, and who is?
23:25<drrohin>can some one help me make an install
23:26<streuner_>Did you read ig yet?
23:26<sighK>install from what
23:26<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <installer firmware>.
23:26<sighK>source or binary
23:26<jas>make? or apt?
23:27<jas>dpkg is right! :P
23:27<dpkg>jas: I don't know, could you explain it?
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23:28<sighK>what is the development channel
23:28<drrohin>i am trying to use hamachi
23:28<drrohin>links aren't going through
23:30<drrohin>its a tar.gz
23:30<jas>ok, i would like to undertsand how, base-files, write its strings in the its flise, such as /etc/issue, where it gives the string?
23:30<jas>sorry for my english however
23:31<jas>dpkg is dpkg, right dpkg?
23:31<dpkg>jas: wish i knew
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23:33<sighK>any good programmers here
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23:34<sighK>i take that as a no
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23:35<jas>u want it too, sighK :P
23:35<sighK>i want what too?
23:36<sighK>i just asked if there were any good programmers
23:36<jas>that here there are pregrammers!
23:36<sighK>debian people are always smartest
23:36<sighK>I want to start a project
23:36<sighK>and i want input on it first
23:36<sighK>i want to take a web browser
23:36<jas>on it where?
23:36<sighK>strip out all protocol ahndlers
23:37<sighK>create one called exec
23:37<jas>oh, intresting
23:37<sighK>it will use
23:37<sighK>it will be a html rendering terminal
23:37<jas>to run binary?
23:37<sighK>any script that sends to stdout
23:37<jas>a web application?
23:37<sighK>not for web access though
23:38<sighK>just a html rendering terminal
23:38<sighK>work just like a web page
23:38<sighK>only local system only
23:38<jas>terminar of your own linux?
23:38<sighK>imaagin what you could do with that
23:38<sighK>debian could have something that competes with file maker on a large scale
23:38<sighK>anyone who doesn
23:39<sighK>tknow anything about x11 widgets
23:39<sighK>or c++
23:39<jas>to log from an internet explorer by ssh in remote?
23:39<sighK>but know command line and html
23:39<jas>to your syntems?
23:39<sighK>could create graphic rich applications
23:39<jas>*log in
23:40<sighK>not from ie
23:40<jas>:O your application is very .... :O complex?
23:40<sighK>just a stand alone application
23:40<sighK>that renders the result of a command
23:40<sighK>not via cgi bin
23:40<jas>ok understand now
23:41<sighK>to create fast applications
23:41<sighK>that look nice
23:41<sighK>that can only execute commands as if you were in a terminal
23:41<jas>an application to create applictions?
23:41<sighK>thats what a web browser is not
23:42<sighK>only via network
23:42<sighK>we already have a commandline
23:42<sighK>just one that will render the html/css images
23:42<jas>an inte
23:42<sighK>perl is an application to create applications
23:42<jas>an html/css interface to the terminal?
23:43<sighK>you would be able to generate links inside of it
23:43<jas>want u create?
23:43<sighK>that use the exec function
23:43<sighK>so you could generate system commands into your command
23:43<jas>ok, i hope to understand
23:44<sighK>does it make scence at all?
23:44<jas>generate system commands into your command < a fork? , not understand..
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23:45<sighK>lets say you have a perl script on your local system
23:45<sighK>no web access
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23:48<jas>dpkg, is that an html/css interface to the terminal? what is its end?
23:48<dpkg>jas: wish i knew
23:49<jas>is that an html/css interface to the terminal? what is its end, dpkg?
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