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00:08<Imp1>hi.. which repository irssi is? i cant found it at main contrib and nonfree
00:09<Imp1>btw, im using lenny
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00:11<Supaplex>!+info irssi lenny
00:11<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
00:11<dmoerner>Imp1, it's in main
00:11<dmoerner>judd, versions irssi
00:11<dpkg>irssi: (terminal based IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.12-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 1054 kB, Installed size: 2884 kB
00:11<judd>dmoerner: irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2 etch-backports: 0.8.12-5~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.8.12-6 lenny-backports: 0.8.13-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.8.13-1 squeeze: 0.8.13-1
00:12<Imp1>weird.. i cant find it,
00:12<gsimmons>Supaplex: (re m-a and kernel updates) There's a few wishlist bugs for this behaviour. You can instruct m-a to build packages for your intended kernel version (e.g. "m-a -t -l 2.6.26-2 a-i madwifi"), prior to restarting your system.
00:12<dmoerner>Imp1, do you have the full lenny repos or just the security ones enabled?
00:13<Supaplex>gsimmons: humm. ok. that'll auto prepare too I assume?
00:13<Imp1> lenny main contrib non-free
00:13<gsimmons>Supaplex: Yep.
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00:13<Supaplex>schweet. thanks =)
00:14<Imp1>no errors on update
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00:15<igormorgado>now it has found
00:15<Supaplex>!tell igormorgado -about enter
00:16<igormorgado>Supaplex: sorry.
00:16<Supaplex>no worries. now you know.
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00:17<igormorgado>Supaplex: i knew. but is the IM way to talk. bad behavior, acquired in these days.
00:17<igormorgado>btw, i was talking from my cell phone, is nice, (NokiaN85-3/.047/sw_platform=S60;sw_platform_version=3.2;java_build_version=74701 - pt-BR )
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00:19<igormorgado>changing topics, if I wish to work with virtualization in debian, which method is the most recomended and supported by debian way of life? (using intel processors computer)
00:20<Supaplex>try /query dpkg search
00:22<igormorgado>Supaplex: talking to me? i know how to search and things like that in debian (and google too), I want to know what is more simple and easy to keep running (by everyone else experience), kvm/qemu/vmware/xen/virtualbox,etc..
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00:24<supaplex|g1>igormorgdo look, it's a g1. :)
00:25<igormorgado>what is a g1 (sorry I dont catch the joke) :-)
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00:25<sney>google phone!
00:25<supaplex|g1>uhm, google it. heh heh
00:26<sney>they don't have them in BR yet I suppose.
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00:27<igormorgado>sney: oh no.. we dont have that yet =D
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00:48<tone>i'm seeing alot of new, but minimal traffic on my internet connection, trying to use tcpdump to decide if it's something to worry about
00:49<Supaplex>oh look! a packet! whhhheeee!
00:49<tone>something like that i suppose
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00:51<sney>ethereal takes a fair bit of the guesswork out of packet sniffing
00:52<Supaplex>wireshark > ethereal
00:52<tone>sney, ok, i'll look that up
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00:52<tone>thank you both
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00:57<tone>pretty snazzy
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01:01<argonel>enouf: not having /etc/modules.conf changes nothing
01:01<enouf>wonderful - wtf are you?
01:02<argonel>enouf: we were speaking this morning about the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf recursion (or fork-bombing as its called in the bug)
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01:04<argonel>bug 524940
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01:05<enouf>argonel: ahh ok
01:05<enouf>welp - sorry ... i'm not much use atm - maybe some other time
01:06<argonel>enouf: no problem
01:07<argonel>too tired to work on it myself
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01:14<tone>jrk, hello
01:14<jrk>i installed sarge and tried to update it to lenny or squeeze
01:14<jrk>bu sth got wrong
01:14<tone>what happened?
01:15<jrk>it had "testing" in sources.list
01:15<jrk>but it was testing few years ago
01:15<jm_>you can't upgrade from sarge to lenny
01:15<jrk>now testing is squeeze
01:16<jrk>sarge->etch and then etch-> lenny ?
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01:19<jrk>ok, but i want to show yo strange thing - - i have no aptitude so i try to instal it
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01:22<jrk>tone: talking about my case?
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01:23<tone>jrk: yes
01:24<jm_>jrk: these are exactly the examples you run into if you upgrade beyond your version + 1
01:26<jrk>ok, i know i jumped over one release, but msg "trying to overwrite" file which not exist is strange
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01:26<jrk>yesterday i tried to make my network working
01:26<jrk>but i geved up
01:27<tone>jrk: could you just edit sources.list and upgrade one version at a time?
01:27<jrk>netinst from usb stick doesnt worked. debian instaled via debootstrap too
01:28<jrk>only one option was to instal some ancient knoppix
01:28<jm_>the files don't exist because it's likely it removed textutils when you checked
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01:29<jrk>tone: you mean now upgrade to etch and whe it done change sources.list to lenny and then upgrade to leny?
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01:30<tone>jrk: yes, seems simple enough
01:30<jrk>ok, i am doing it right now. i am waiting for aptitude get installed
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01:33<jrk>and now "aptitude dist-upgrade"?
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01:35<jrk>what to do to get only base system? because i have many unneeded packages (e.g. monodevelop, gnome-games)
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01:36<jm_>you mean remove everything but the base?
01:37<jrk>sth like that
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01:38<jm_>aptitude can do that
01:38<jrk>it takes 6 gigabytes now so ther is lot of stuff which i will never use
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01:38<jrk>jm_: how?
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01:40<jm_>jrk: via its patterns
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01:41<jrk>jm_: you mean categories like: admin, base, devel, doc, games etc.?
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01:43<jm_>jrk: I was thinking of using a negation, let me see
01:44<tone>how does one know id one's ports are being scanned? i think mine are and would like to take action.
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01:47<Arcalyth>Hello, #debian. How do I disable that white flash when X starts up?
01:48<jm_>jrk: aptitude search ~prequired ~i' -- so to remove the rest, aptitude -s remove '!((~prequired | ~E) ~i)
01:48<jm_>jrk: you're on your own if it breaks ;)
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01:49<jm_>Arcalyth: what's a white flash?
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01:49<jm_>tone: tools like snort can detect it
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01:49<Arcalyth>jm_ When I startx or startxfce4 or gdm or anything, I get this white blur effect. It happens on logout, too.
01:50<jm_>Arcalyth: checker-board pattern?
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01:50<Arcalyth>not a checkerboard.. just white with a bit of color around the edges.
01:50<Arcalyth>imagine a fire particle effect but it's all white and covers the whole screen.
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01:50<jm_>Arcalyth: hmm no idea what that could be
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01:50<jm_>Arcalyth: perhaps play with driver options
01:51<Arcalyth>It looks as if it was intentionally programmed to do that.
01:51<Arcalyth>and I'm not sure what driver options I have available to m
01:51<Arcalyth>I went through the xorg.conf manpage and didn't find anything
01:51<Arcalyth>google doesn't know what a "white flash" is in terms of X
01:53<Arcalyth>jm_ if you'd like I can try to take a video of it
01:53<jm_>Arcalyth: what driver is it?
01:54<Arcalyth>Uhh.. I think it's the open source radeonhd
01:54<Arcalyth>xorg.conf has hardly any config in it, so I have no clue. fglrx doesn't seem to work with the 2.6.29 kernel
01:54<jm_>grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
01:54<Arcalyth>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
01:56<jm_>right, man radeon to learn about options
01:56<jm_>it has shitloads ;)
01:57<jm_>the ones in xorg.conf man page also apply
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01:59<Arcalyth>Hm.. there doesn't seem to be an option pertaining to any sort of logo
01:59<Arcalyth>or splash
02:00<jm_>your description doesn't sound like a splash screen to me
02:00<Arcalyth>It's the best description I can come up with =/
02:00<Arcalyth>Let me take a video.
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02:08<jm_>Arcalyth: sadly I can't access that while at work
02:08<Arcalyth>oh, ok
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02:09<Arcalyth>I'll try again in the afternoon then, someone else might know =)
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02:11<jm_>yup, do that - might also make sense to ask on mailing lis(s)
02:11<jm_>list even
02:12<tone>that looks like X trying access a different resolution or something
02:12<tone>it's on an LCD screen
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02:13<tone>tries a couple options in the config file before it gets one it likes
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02:14<Arcalyth>tone: that could be, there is no explicit declaration of my resolution in the xorg.conf (actually there's not really an explicit declaration of.. anything)
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02:16<tone>Arcalyth: i'm not an X expert like i was years ago, but that's my opinion. You could read up on how to fine tune your /etc/Xorg/conf file, or whatever the file actually is.
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02:17<Arcalyth>tone: yeah if I ever feel like messing with stuff I will. it's not a big enough deal for me to potentially nerf X.. again. I'd rather have a clear-cut solution, because I just got everything else just how I like it =)
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02:19<tone>then i say congradulations. that's one of those wide-view screens, huh?
02:21<Arcalyth>debian made things nice and easy though.
02:21<tone>Arcalyth: when you feel like tweaking the setup, you could just save the current config file as a backup, too.
02:22<Arcalyth>tone: yeah, I could. I just don't feel like tweaking anymore =)
02:22<tone>i heard that.
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02:23<tone>i was just wondering the other day if i got one of those wide LCD's for my desktop how easy or uneasy it might be under debian
02:24<jm_>Arcalyth: all the details are in Xorg.0.log
02:25<Arcalyth>jm_ I also need to figure out why the proprietary fglrx driver doesn't work
02:25<jm_>tone: the worst would be generating your own modeline and telling it to use
02:25<Arcalyth>When I was using fglrx on 2.6.26 it didn't do the white flash
02:25<jm_>Arcalyth: as in doesn't build or can't be used for X?
02:25<Arcalyth>can't be used, I can't use my display
02:25<Arcalyth>shows colored dots
02:26<Arcalyth>changing to a different vt also does it
02:26<Arcalyth>so I have to use single user mode to restore xorg.conf
02:27<jm_>hmm that's why I stick to nvidia for linux, had only good experience with it
02:28<Arcalyth>yeah my desktop has nvidia and I never really had any problems
02:28<Arcalyth>but it's also older hardware
02:28<Arcalyth>I just bought this laptop a few months ago
02:28<tone>jm_:using the debian non-free drivers, or something else?
02:28<Arcalyth>dell studio xps 16
02:29<jm_>tone: using the nvidia non-free driver available in non-free repository yes
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03:06<drakeman>hello, there is any way to edit the main gnome-panel , for example it have applications, places and system, if inside system i want to remove the "shutdown" option, how can i do? there is any xml file to edit manually?
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03:09<simonrvn>drakeman: apt-cache show alacarte
03:10<drakeman>yeah, but alacarte dont let me modify that option, just if i want to add a new line program, etc.
03:10<drakeman>but i cant see shutdown option, logout neither
03:10<drakeman>in alacarte
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03:10<firefox>What would cause my desktop to not want to wake up and just blink the keyboard LEDs at me?
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03:11<jm_>firefox: kernel panic
03:12<drakeman>firefox: it happen to mi before, and it was a hard disk problem! (hardware problem) dont know if its your case.
03:12<firefox>jm_, what would I need to look at to figure why?
03:13<firefox>jm_, Ohhh that expalins it.. I have a secondary HD that i have been trying to fix with various tools... I think its dead, give logical block errors, but none of the OS is one it
03:13<firefox>jm_, So it just being broken can cause that?
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03:14<jm_>firefox: usually it shouldn't, but perhaps it is - kernel dumps an oops log on console or in logs if it can
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03:16<drakeman>firefox: in my case i think, because my problem was solved when i remove the harddisk... dont know why, cant explain. like i said before, dont know if that your case., but the kernel panic shoult give you an error code, you look in google with this error code already?
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03:17<firefox>jm_, Well I know where to look, it is a dell, and they are notrious for their s3 sleep state issues
03:18<firefox>drakeman, yeah I think it is the issue now.. but the problem is no screen so I can never see the message
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03:18<jm_>firefox: best to start without X and check if you get anything on console when it happens - the problem is if it doesn't happen outside X :)
03:19<drakeman>firefox: agree with jm_
03:19<jm_>in that case you can try network console or serial console
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03:25<firefox>jm_, I will have to put one on the system, right now its just an annoyance after coming back from being away. ty both for the suggestions I'll tinker with it more tomorrow... for now I sleep. hehe
03:25<drakeman>firefox: See you! you welcome
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03:36<drakeman>hi Yoda-BZH`Wk
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04:06<lbt>If I want to build a package for a specific arch, I can do : CFLAGS="-march=armv4t" dpkg-buildpackage .... is this the "right" way?
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04:12<OdyX>lbt: I think you'd better look to dpkg-cross or stuff like that
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04:12<OdyX>lbt: you could also ask in #emdebian - they do this more than often
04:13<lbt>thanks OdyX :)
04:14<OdyX>lbt: you are not on -mentors here ;)
04:15<lbt>heh- so many tabs I thought I was ;)
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04:16<OdyX>lbt: "so many" with 3 ? ;)
04:17<lbt>+ freenode + mozilla
04:17<OdyX>(+10 on Freenode) ;)
04:17<lbt>but just found "tabs to the left" on konversation... much better now
04:18<OdyX>ctrl-dot ?
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05:30<sidney86>good afternoon everybody. i got a problem in installing horde-webmail on Debian Lenny. I follow this guide , But i don't know the zhe administrator account & its password . Plase , tell how to do .
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05:31<thomas>is there anybody can talk french ?
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05:31<jm_>check $docdir/horde*/README.Debian* files
05:31<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
05:31<petemc>sidney86: there are horde debian packages you would be better using
05:31<sidney86>thanks, i'll try it at once.
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05:44<navvu>for download
05:44<dpkg>navvu: VATTENE VIA
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05:45<petemc>navvu: ask real questions, in full sentances
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06:06<mixter>hi all! i've added "www-data soft nofile 512" (and also a simliar row with hard) to /etc/security/limits.conf, but when using `su - www-data` these limits are not enforced... am i missing something?
06:06<weasel>su probably doesn't do the pam_limit dance
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06:08<mixter>weasel: ah! ok... is there any other way to enforce a limit? (or raising it actually, i have problems since apache needs more than 1024 open files) shouldn't the kernel take care of the actual limitation?
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06:08<weasel>why would your apache need more than 1k open files?
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06:09<mixter>weasel: since we host quite a lot of sites :-) every site has two logfiles in the current setup, so ~500 virtual sites eats up all the fd's
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06:10<pythonic>hi, i have a cache of debian packages. how do i verify the checksums?
06:10<weasel>add a ulimit -n to apache's init/default script?
06:10<jm_>mixter: edit /etc/pam.d/su, comment out pam_limits module if you want to use su
06:10<sidney86>good afternoon everybody. i got a problem in installing horde-webmail on Debian Lenny. I follow this guide , But i don't know the zhe administrator account & its password . Plase , tell how to do .
06:10<mixter>weasel: i've tried that, but i cannot get past the standard limit of 1024
06:11<sidney86>I can't find answer in README
06:11<weasel>mixter: where did you add it?
06:12<mixter>jm_: that works fine for su. thanks! the real problem however is that apache2ctl doesn't seem to obey the limits.conf
06:13<mixter>weasel: there is a line already about ulimit i apache2ctl, so i changed that line to a higher limit, with no luck
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06:14<jm_>mixter: did you verify it calls setrlimit?
06:14<mixter>jm_: weasel: is there a way to enforce ulimits other than through pam?
06:14<weasel>set it in your shell.
06:14<weasel>or the init script or the default file like I told you
06:14<weasel>(and then use that, and not apache2ctl to start apache. like you should anyway)
06:14<jm_>perhaps someday linux will get plimit lik esolaris ;)
06:16<mixter>weasel: is there any configuration file for the limits set by bash? since the hard limit for www-data is 1024, it seems like a cannot raise it further
06:16<jm_>mixter: you can if you are root - and init script runs as root
06:16<mixter>jm_: apache has a ulimit in apache2ctl (which is used also by /etc/init.d/apache) but it cannot get past the current limit of 1024
06:17<mixter>hmm... i'll try some more! brb
06:17<weasel>why don't you just try what we tell you?
06:17<jm_>mixter: see above, it has been explained what to do
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06:20<mixter>weasel: jm_: it works just fine! sorry for not reading properly!
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06:21<mixter>weasel: jm_: thanks to both of you for the help!
06:23<jm_>mixter: no worries
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06:34<suicidal-princess>can anyone help
06:34<pythonic>nice nick
06:34<pythonic>so you need help
06:34<petemc>tried phoning the samaritans?
06:35<suicidal-princess>its computer help
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06:35<suicidal-princess>ive kinda broke a 1 week old laptop 0.o and my dad is gonna kill me
06:35<petemc>does it run debian?
06:35<suicidal-princess>i set a password so you can get onto the comp and ive forgot it
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06:36<mixter>suicidal-princess: in the bios? so it asks when you start the computer, before it starts windows/debian?
06:36<suicidal-princess>its windows vista
06:37<suicidal-princess>you know when you can log on to your profile thingy
06:37<pythonic>no, i don't know
06:37<jm_>ask in #hardware
06:37<jm_>or #windows
06:38<suicidal-princess>no one is in them
06:38<locklace>or #ubuntu
06:38<petemc>suicidal-princess: ##windows
06:39<jm_>for older windows versions knoppix has a tool to find the password IIRC
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06:40<mixter>suicidal-princess: try this one if you cannot find it in knoppix:
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06:42<mmy>is there anybody
06:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:43<pythonic>oh, was just banned from ##windows :-(
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06:43<mmy>?is there a chinese
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06:44<mmy>my unbuntu is updating but is slow please tell me why?
06:45<locklace>!tell mmy about ubuntu
06:45<jm_>!tell mmy -about ubuntu
06:45<mmy>what systerm are you using
06:46<mmy>this is my fist time to use xchat
06:46<mmy>is anyone can help me ?
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06:54<prahal>hi pulseaudio 0.9.15 ship with which depends on (was shipped by pulse itself but no more with current release ) .
06:55<christoph>hm which key combo is now supposed to replace CTRL+ALT+Backspace for killing X ?
06:55<prahal>does anyone also have failure to start pulseaudio and could this be related
06:55<prahal>christoph, none . One can reenable the old behaviour in xorg.conf
06:55<gsimmons>!tell christoph -about dontzap
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06:57<christoph>I know how to reconfigure x again ;) but at least the ubuntu releasenotes suggest an replacement wihch does not work on debian
06:57<jm_>why do you think it would?
06:57<jm_>why not check suse release notes too?
06:58<prahal>yup it was the root cause of the failure to start pulseaudio ... disabled this module in and now pulse is back
06:58<christoph>jm_, debian Xorg has an *ubuntu* contact but no *suse* contact?
06:58<christoph>they seem to work close
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06:59<jm_>christoph: compare version numbers for latest ubuntu and debian release
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06:59<jm_>(for X I mean)
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07:03<christoph>jm_, right ubuntu has xserver-xorgcore 1.6.0 and I'm having 1.6.1 so I'm newer
07:04<jm_>christoph: ok so you're not talking about stable then
07:06<prahal>ouch pulseaudio-bluetooth is from experimental ... any idea for the availabilty of this package for sid (compat with the other parts) ?
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07:21<mibman>Something really funky just happened to me earlier this day.
07:21<mibman>I'm nost sure what the exact cause is, but it's feels too abnormal.
07:21<mibman>Well, anyway, now it seems as if I can't use my terminal.
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07:22<mibman>It says: "*** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap'"
07:22<jm_>termcap? whoa
07:22<mibman>weasel: That only works for windows man.
07:22<mibman>I dunno.
07:22<weasel>mibman: no. it just means you have no idea what I'm talking about
07:22<mibman>Things were really crazy a while ago.
07:22<jm_>mibman: no reset command
07:23<mibman>Oh. Will try that.
07:23<mibman>Won't work,
07:23<mibman>Won't even let me enter anything
07:23<jm_>not for this issue no
07:23<mibman>I can't even press Enter.
07:23<weasel>it won't display anything. doesn't mean it won't let you enter anything
07:24<mibman>I try to enter anything,
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07:24<mibman>the letters just come up.
07:24<mibman>Nothing happens when I press Enter.
07:24<mibman>Not even make a new "user@debain" line.
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07:25<mibman>Although the fsck earlier this day probably had something to do with this.
07:25<mibman>Messed up one of the user accounts real bad.
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07:29<weasel>maybe your termcap *is* broken
07:29<jm_>how old is your OS?
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07:31<mibman>I'm using lenny.
07:31<mibman>Installed it early this year,
07:31<mibman>updated it this week.
07:31<jm_>really? I can't find /etc/termcap in any package even in etch
07:31<mibman>Around two weeks ago.
07:31<mibman>I dunno man.
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07:31<mibman>It was acting real crazy a while ago.
07:31<mibman>I can't even save text files using gedit.
07:32<mibman>Something about,
07:32<mibman>was it, I think being forbidden to write to disk or something.
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07:32<mibman>When I run netstat on the terminal,
07:32<mibman>at first it says "no such command" or somehting of the sort,
07:32<jm_>perhaps you have hardware issue, it sure sounds like it
07:33<mibman>But I know that netstat should work,
07:33<mibman>And then when Ierpeatedly trype in netstatm sometimes it works,
07:33<mibman> then sometimes it doesn't.
07:34<mibman>jm_: Not too sure man. It all seems too funky. Right now I'll probably just reinstall debian with selinux or something.
07:34<weasel>weasel@intrepid:~$ cat /etc/terminfo/README
07:34<weasel>This directory is for system-local terminfo descriptions. By default, ncurses
07:34<weasel>will search this directory first, then /lib/terminfo, then /usr/share/terminfo.
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07:35<mibman>I'll go check it out weasel, once I log in using single user mode.
07:36<mibman>I can't issue the terminal any commands right now.
07:36<jm_>yes terminfo is used for many years now, but his error is about termcap
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07:37<mibman>Oh yea, after running that fsck, the user's iceweasel bookmarks were all removed, along with other things.
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07:38<ringo999>hi. i'm using s2ram to put my system to sleep. I have problems with waking up on an irregular basis: sysytem hangs, touchpad get's messed up, wireless fails. I'm using debian lenny stable on a macbook. wondering if how to fix the problem (compile own kernel) or if there are other alternatives. What is your experience?
07:38<mibman>And since those things only happened to that user, I was expecting that the terminal problem would be unique to him to.
07:38<ringo999>also, I'm wondering where to set up what wireless module is loaded on bootup. I tried to switch from ath5k to madwifi but then reverted as it failed. Now, after bootup I have to manually "modprobe ath5k" to get wifi running :-(
07:38<mibman>but apparently the terminal problem is affecting all users accounts in the machine.
07:39<gsimmons>ringo999: Do you have the madwifi-tools package installed?
07:39<jm_>ringo999: you can add it to /etc/modules
07:39<patrikf>ringo999: ath5k and madwifi are mutually exclusive and thus one of the two should always be blacklisted. consult /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi
07:40<jm_>mibman: your issues are more severe
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07:41<mibman>True. Right now, I just want to know what happened really.
07:41<ringo999>patrikf: yes, it looks like madwifi is still around somehow, how to get rid of it?
07:41<jm_>no-one can tell you what happened with information like this
07:41<patrikf>ringo999: have you read /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi?
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07:42<mibman>jm_: Sorry for that. But everything happened so fast.
07:43<patrikf>ringo999: as for the s2ram issues, try with the newest kernel available. if something still doesn't work, try reloading the corresponding module (probably psmouse for the touchpad / ath5k for the wlan)
07:43<jm_>mibman: no need to apologize, start with memtest and so on
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07:43<jm_>yeah try unloading the modules before calling s2ram and then reload them
07:43<ringo999>patrikf: ah ;-) thanks!
07:43<locklace>ringo999: suspend/resume troubleshooting is a huge pain. best option to start with is try latest kernel package from sid (2.6.29); there's a whole lot of ongoing acpi devel in progress
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07:43<mibman>jm_: I'll go do that jm_. Thanks.
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07:44<jm_>hibernate makes it a bit easier
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07:44<patrikf>well, suspend troubleshooting is not such a PITA if the system actually resumes
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07:45<ringo999>locklace: I'm still quite new to kernel building... so I download kernel source for 2.6.29 and compile use make-kpkg to create debian package for installation?
07:45<locklace>ringo999: no, just install the binary .deb package, it's extremely simple and quick
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07:45<ringo999>locklace: does that mean i have to add sid to my apt.sources?
07:46<locklace>ringo999: no
07:46<locklace>ringo999: and just download the latest binary package for your arch and install it with dpkg -i
07:46<locklace>ringo999: it will add the new kernel and make it the default in your bootloader automatically (but still leave your current kernel(s) there also)
07:47<ringo999>locklace: but don't i have to worry about some kernel options that might be missing in that way? i.e. for ath5k to work on my macbook?
07:47<ringo999>locklace: sounds very easy
07:48<locklace>just boot with the new kernel and try out the suspend/resume, then either stick with it or boot back into the old kernel if it doesn't help
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07:52<jm_>don't forget to try the options for s2ram as listed on the suse web page for it
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07:53<locklace>just about all of those are about video though
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07:56<jm_>-a can be helpful, first thing listed to try IIRC
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08:14<Nazcafan>I have a result of 30 fps using glxgears, I was wondering whether something was wrong or if it was only my intel gma 945 that just sucked
08:15<jm_>Nazcafan: don't use glxgears as a benchmark, read what it says when you start it
08:15<Nazcafan>Failed to initialize GEM. Falling back to classic.
08:16<koita>hi everybody,
08:17<jm_>that's normal, you need very recent kernel for GEM to work properly
08:17<koita>after the setup of debian, i installed ffmpeg, vlc, amrok and xine, ... i did alsaconf & alsactl store, but i still have no sound !
08:17<koita>can someone help me ?
08:17<Nazcafan>jm_, I acknowledge the fact that glxgears is not a benchmark, however, doesn't having results that are an order of magnitude lower than expected reflect that something is wrong?
08:18<Nazcafan>jm_, I use a 2.6.29 kernel
08:18<Nazcafan>ah, and I noticed a little error in the Xorg.0.log:
08:19<Nazcafan>(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/ failed (/usr/lib/dri/ undefined symbol: _glapi_tls_Context)
08:19<Nazcafan>(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
08:19<OdyX>Nazcafan: update your xor
08:20<jm_>Nazcafan: also glxgears gives low rates when vsync is enabled
08:20<Nazcafan>OdyX, do you suggest to pull the xorg from unstable repository (I currently use a testing disro)
08:20<jm_>if you want to use recent development then yes
08:21<Nazcafan>jm_, how can i assert whether vsync is enabled?
08:21<OdyX>Nazcafan: glxinfo | grep direct ?
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08:21<Nazcafan>[14:21:27 fou@leila:~]$glxinfo | grep direct
08:21<Nazcafan>Failed to initialize GEM. Falling back to classic.
08:21<Nazcafan>direct rendering: Yes
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08:22<jm_>Nazcafan: good question
08:22<koita>after the setup of debian, i installed ffmpeg, vlc, amrok and xine, ... i did alsaconf & alsactl store, but i still have no sound !
08:22<koita>does someone have an idea ?
08:22<Eulex>did you check your mixer levels?
08:22<jm_>koita: did you unmute and set levels?
08:23<Nazcafan>jm_, I grepped the logs and found this: [14:21:59 fou@leila:~]$cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep vsync
08:23<Nazcafan>(II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x800"x0.0 71.00 1280 1328 1360 1440 800 803 809 823 -hsync -vsync (49.3 kHz)
08:23<koita>jm_, no, i did not mute anything, and levels are quite high into alsamixer
08:23<locklace>Nazcafan: congratulations! today's first "useless use of cat" award
08:23<jm_>koita: it's muted by default ...
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08:24<Nazcafan>locklace, yeah, sorry, I should have used grep directly
08:24<Nazcafan>locklace, my mind is twisted
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08:25<jm_>Nazcafan: i'll ask my bro to test with G41 chipset at home
08:26<simonrvn>koita: unmute stuff ... alsamixer
08:27<jm_>koita: amixer scontents will give you an overwiew
08:27<koita>simonrvn, jm_ i still have no sound
08:27<jm_>paste the output of amixer scontents on some pastebin
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08:30<jm_>koita: did you try speaker-test?
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08:30<koita>don't know what it is :(
08:30<koita>telle me please
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08:30<jm_>speaker-test is a tool, just run it
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08:34<koita>jm_, it seems to be ok
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08:34<koita>but just take a look :-)
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08:35<jm_>koita: you mean you heard sound?
08:35<jm_>well "sound"
08:36<koita>no sound yet :(
08:37<jm_>ok so it doesn't work, hmm
08:37<patrikf>koita: did you connect your speakers correctly?
08:38<koita>it's a laptop !
08:38<patrikf>does it have speakers?
08:39<jm_>koita: you have a rather small number of mixer controls - is the right card listed in /proc/asound/cards ?
08:39<koita>actually, when i enter a casque, it have sound !
08:39<koita>but nothing from speakers
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08:45<jm_>koita: depending on kernel version, snd_hda_intel has some parameters that can help, or try a newer kernel
08:46<koita>jm_, 2.6.26-2-686
08:46<jm_>koita: yeah that's latest in lenny
08:46<koita>you think it's obsolete ?
08:46<jm_>no, but there may be a bug that was fixed
08:47<koita>i have no chane with linux
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08:47<koita>don't know why .... but that is
08:47<jm_>otherwise you will get better help on ALSA mailing list
08:47<koita>ok, thanks
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08:48<koita>it was kind :)
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09:27<johnfg>hey folks
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09:28<johnfg>Still trying to get an answer to how to get my krbkdc started at boot vs. having to start it by hand from the cli.
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09:30<ranix>johnfg: put a script in /etc/rcS.d
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09:33<johnfg>ranix, I have scripts (installed by apt-get) already in init.d. Do you mean to copy the krbkdc script to rcS.d?
09:33<johnfg>Or move it, or what?
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09:34<ranix>rather than ask that long question, personally, I would have googled "rcs.d"
09:35<johnfg>ranix, OK then.
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09:44<Fencer^>Hey guys, any idea does debian work on Dell Poweredge 650 server?
09:45<OdyX>Fencer^: certainly
09:45<OdyX>Fencer^: "Intel pentium" ?
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09:46<Fencer^>Just wondered that it wasnt reading on it manual / websites
09:46<Fencer^>intel pentium 4
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09:46<OdyX>well... The Debian cannot possibly list all the working devices
09:47<OdyX>but arches for sure (11 afaik)
09:47<petemc>dells generally work ok
09:47<OdyX>Dell Poweredge is i386, nothing special
09:47<Fencer^>just wanted to be sure before installing
09:47<OdyX>Fencer^: Debian now produces Live CDs - you could try with…
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09:48<Timzorize>Hello, can someone help me with Debian?
09:48<Timzorize>I need to install Ventrilo!
09:48<Timzorize>Im logged in as root right now
09:48<ml|>dpkg is sleeping aww
09:48<Timzorize>If i type: ls then it shows a file named: ventrilo_srv.tar.gz
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09:49<Timzorize>And when I type: tar -xf ventrilo_srv.tar.gz then it says there's no such file
09:49<OdyX>tar xzf
09:49<Timzorize>Or, it says its not a tar-archive
09:49<OdyX>man tar
09:49<Timzorize>Now it says: not in gzip format
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09:50<Timzorize>Do you prefer swedish?
09:50<OdyX>No thanks
09:50<Timzorize>But whats the problem?
09:50<OdyX>Timzorize: file ventrilo_srv.tar.gz ?
09:50<Timzorize>Why cant I extract a .tar.gz file?
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09:51<OdyX>no ;) do $ file *.tar.gz and paste me its output here
09:51<Timzorize>I cant type a $
09:51<OdyX>$ is the command prompt
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09:51<OdyX>type "file *.tar.gz"
09:51<Timzorize>Okay, it stands: HTML document text
09:51<Timzorize>Lol, thats why!
09:51<OdyX>OK. So it's not a .tar.gz
09:52<Timzorize>Can you give me a download link for ventrilo server? :D
09:52<OdyX>you downloaded the download page
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09:52<Timzorize>Oh xD
09:52<Timzorize>Lol :P
09:52<Timzorize>Whats the right link?
09:52<Timzorize>Should i make a directory first
09:52<Timzorize>mkdir ventrilo server
09:52<OdyX>Ventrilo is a non-free software. I don't provide support for non-free software.
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09:52<Timzorize>Its free :P
09:53<OdyX>maybe others do, but I don't
09:53<OdyX>no it's not
09:53<Timzorize>Yes it is :S
09:53<Timzorize>Ventrilo server is free too
09:53<OdyX>"Unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this program, or any portion of it, may result in severe civil and criminal penalties, and will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under law."
09:53<OdyX>I don't call this exactly "free" as in "freedom"
09:53<Timzorize>Yes, you must buy it if you want to have more than 10(?) peoples in the same ventrilo
09:53<Timzorize>but under 10, then its free
09:53<OdyX>That's not the question.
09:53<OdyX>It's not free as in freedom
09:54<Timzorize>Okay, how can i get a file from my own network?
09:54<OdyX>as in the freedom defined by the DFSG:
09:54<OdyX>I stop here.
09:54<Timzorize>This is free:
09:55<Timzorize>And legal
09:55<Timzorize>And its not a html document
09:55<Timzorize>And i did download that file
09:55<Timzorize>But why does it say its a HTML document when its a .tar file? :S
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09:59<Timzorize>How do I install a FTP server on Debian?
10:00<Fencer^>apt-get install proftpd
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10:00<Timzorize>and its installed then?
10:01<Timzorize>Which port shoulod I open?
10:01<Timzorize>Which port is default port?
10:01<Fencer^>21, i think
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10:01<Fencer^>it should ask it
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10:02<Timzorize>Nothing happen if i type !proftpd
10:02<petemc>the bot isnt responding
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10:02<Timzorize>If my local ip-address is then I type in my ftp-client?
10:03<Timzorize>Maybe i must restart debian before it works
10:03<Fencer^>no u dont
10:03<Timzorize>How do I open the proftpd config file?
10:03<Fencer^>try google it, cant remeber right now
10:04<buffoon_work_>Timzorize, it should be in /etc/proftpd/
10:04<Timzorize>Yeah, /home/etc/proftpd/
10:04<Timzorize>Then, hjwo do I open the proftpd.conf ? :)
10:04<suicidal-princess>did you hear about that woman ringing the swine flu line?
10:05<suicidal-princess>she couldnt get thru all she could hear was "crackling" lol
10:05<Timzorize>How do I open the proftpd.conf file? :P
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10:05<Timzorize>Im in /home/etc/proftpd folder now
10:05<Fencer^>Timzorize, su then nanon proftpd.conf
10:05<suicidal-princess>if you dont get that joke crackling is pig
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10:06<Fencer^>nano proftpd.conf
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10:06<Timzorize>-su: nanon: command dont found
10:06<Fencer^>nano proftpd.conf
10:06<Timzorize>Oh, ok
10:06<Timzorize>Thanks :DDD
10:07<Timzorize>It was port 21
10:07<Timzorize>Can you try to connect
10:08<Timzorize>Do I have to open UDP only?
10:08<Timzorize>TCP only*Ä
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10:11<buffoon_work_>Timzorize, TCP/21 is the port for FTP.
10:11<buffoon_work_>it doesn't use UDP afaik
10:12<Timzorize>Now its on port 24
10:13<Timzorize>Can someone test to connect:
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10:14<Timzorize>Can someone give me a directlink for Ventrilo server? :)
10:14<Timzorize>Can I see which process thats running, then, how?
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10:16<petemc>Timzorize: you'll find people on irc arent very willing to hand hold, its more for help with specific problems after you've read documentation etc
10:16<Timzorize>But I cant find anything on google
10:16<Timzorize>And I just need help to install Ventrilo!
10:17<ootput>Timzorize: clan having a war soon?
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10:20<EmleyMoor>Is there a tool to make a Debian package from a perl package obtained/obtainable from CPAN?
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10:20<bremner>EmleyMoor: dh-make-perl
10:20<petemc>yes, dh_make or soemthing
10:20<petemc>thats the one
10:21<ootput>EmleyMoor: heed the warning in the second last paragraph
10:21<bremner>EmleyMoor: if the package is good, useful, file an RFP, maybe the debian-perl team will package it
10:21<EmleyMoor>The package is in lenny albeit out of date - and needs a further patch even on the new version
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10:23<bzed>EmleyMoor: which package are you talking about?
10:23<Nazcafan>I have an issue with alsa
10:23<bzed>EmleyMoor: package!
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10:24<Nazcafan>whenever I boot the computer, the front and surround are set to mute
10:24<bzed>EmleyMoor: libfinance-quote-perl ?
10:24<Nazcafan>thus I have no sound on boot
10:24<ootput>Nazcafan: what's to be played at boot?
10:24<bremner>EmleyMoor: did you file a bug on the lenny package?
10:24<ootput>Nazcafan: unmute, and alsactl save
10:24<bzed>EmleyMoor: in lenny is the version which was uptodate when lenny was frozen
10:25<bzed>EmleyMoor: there is 1.15 in testing and 1.16 in unstable now
10:25<EmleyMoor>bremner: Not yet
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10:25<EmleyMoor>bzed: Ah - could step up that way if needed
10:25<bzed>EmleyMoor: whats the problem with the package in lenny?
10:25<Nazcafan>ootput, i'll try that
10:25<bremner>EmleyMoor: please do if the the current package is no good
10:26<EmleyMoor>Same as in sid - no longer gets GBP/EUR rates from Yahoo due to change their side
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10:27<EmleyMoor>Needs a patch that is tested with 1.15 and 1.16 anhd might be in 1.17 if it comes
10:27<themill>qotd234 is <zhangsha> is there System for analysis of financial markets with debian? <petemc> anything that can plot a graph at a downward angle should work
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10:27<themill>EmleyMoor: same goes for GBP/EUR ....
10:28<ootput>themill: heh
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10:30<tinctorius>My PulseAudio setup is behaving pretty weird.
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10:30<tinctorius>At every boot, my default sink is set to "muted"
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10:31<tinctorius>and every (ALSA) client of that sink is set to 0% volume
10:31<tinctorius>which is annoying in the case of VLC, who reconnects every few seconds
10:32<tinctorius>Can someone tell me how to disable the "default muting of sink alsa_output.pci_..." and the "default client volume of clients of that sink"?
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10:33<tinctorius>Oh sorry, the former problem is already described in #525572
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10:36<tinctorius>And the described workaround (disabling module-restore-device) works -_-
10:37<visine>good for you :)
10:37<kop>How would I put a password on an existing (re-created) PDF?
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10:39<visine>did anyone had problems with Amarok? When I play a playlist it stop playing after every track and it's kinda annoying. Anyone know the solution? I was searching the net, but didn't find nothing usefull... and as I'm new on linux/sidux I don't eaven know what exactly search :)
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10:40<themill>kop: pdftk can do that
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10:40<chealer>visine: if you have a problem with Debian, ask #debian-kde. otherwise, wrong channel.
10:41<visine>I joined the sidux channel ye, just looking a bit arround for an answe
10:41<kop>themill : Thanks. (I'll have to see. This box is still on etch....)
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10:45<LNXGEEKS>i have some problem in ubuntu ultimate edition
10:45<LNXGEEKS>i cannot solve it
10:45<weasel>not our problem
10:45<Nazcafan>well, I have the latest Xorg, now, but I lost part of my synaptics touchpad configuration
10:45<weasel>go ask #ubuntu on
10:45<kop>!tell LNXGEEKS -about ubuntu
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10:45<OdyX>Nazcafan: read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/NEWS.Debian.gz
10:45<azeem>kop: dpkg is absent
10:46<kop>themill : pdftk looks very handy. Don't know how I got by without it. Thanks.
10:46<kop>azeem : We all get bugs now and then. ;)
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10:47<bja>ml|: You broke dpkg :(
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10:50<Nazcafan>OdyX, it talks about tapping, that seems to work ok for me, but I used to have a zone on the right that was here for scrolling
10:51<OdyX>Nazcafan: same issue
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10:51<Nazcafan>OdyX, did you manage to fix it? (I am reading the synaptics manpage)
10:51<OdyX>Nazcafan: more or less
10:51<Nazcafan>OdyX, ?
10:52<OdyX>three choices: 1) /usr/share/…/.fdi 2) scripting synclient at each wake-up 3) /etc/X11/xorg.conf
10:52<OdyX>I think 3) will work the best
10:52<OdyX>4) Go after upstream with an axe and seek blood is another
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10:54<Nazcafan>OdyX, I would have killed MANY people if had thought 4°) was an option every time something was wrong after a dist-upagrade
10:54<OdyX>Nazcafan: true.
10:54<Nazcafan>OdyX, what did you modify in your xorg.conf?
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10:54<OdyX>Nazcafan: I did not (too lazy)
10:54<OdyX>but I know it's possible ;)
10:54<Nazcafan>I already have some synaptics settings
10:55<Nazcafan>in the file
10:55<OdyX>something like Option "TapButton1" "true"
10:55<OdyX>type synclient -l to see what options you have
10:56<OdyX>dpkg is dead ;) =>
10:56<Nazcafan>thanks OdyX
10:58<Nazcafan>I realise I now have vertical two finger scroll
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10:58<Nazcafan>which is a bloody mess on linux
10:59<Nazcafan>just completely unusable, as far as I am concerned
11:00<bja>judd versions mrxvt
11:00<judd>bja: mrxvt -- etch: 0.5.2-2 lenny: 0.5.3-2 sid: 0.5.3-2 squeeze: 0.5.3-2
11:00<Nazcafan>OdyX, here is the pertinent part of my xorg.conf
11:00<OdyX>judd: are you dpkg ?
11:00<judd>OdyX: Error: "are" is not a valid command.
11:01<bja>OdyX: judd is another bot, just gives factoids
11:01<OdyX>judd: versions usb-modeswitch
11:01<judd>OdyX: usb-modeswitch -- sid: 0.9.7-1 squeeze: 0.9.7-1
11:02<OdyX>judd: maint usb-modeswitch
11:02<judd>OdyX: no record of usb-modeswitch
11:02<enouf>retreiving 2.2KB from ... BWAHAHAHA
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11:03<stuckey>If there's a Ubuntu source repository would it be possible to build a .deb out of it and install this .deb on Lenny?
11:03<azeem>you can always try
11:04<OdyX>stuckey: modulo {build-,binary-}dependencies
11:04<stuckey>I did, I added the deb-src to my sources.list, ran update, then tired to search for the package but it doesn't come up in searches.
11:04<azeem>stuckey: eh, and don't cross-post questions
11:04<stuckey>OdyX: I don't understand
11:04<azeem>search searches binary packages
11:04<stuckey>azeem: oh okay, so I'd just have to know the name of the package?
11:05<azeem>and how to build it
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11:05<stuckey>I know how to do that.
11:05<OdyX>stuckey: = you can try, but It's absolutely not guaranteed to work, depending on the build-dependencies and binary-dependencies (I find my notation shorter…)
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11:06<stuckey>OdyX: how would you install the program then? The source is available, but I don't know how to compile it.
11:06<bja>OdyX: I thought you posted the name of a program to fix that grr
11:06<azeem>stuckey: it's a good bet to try
11:06<OdyX>bja: to fix what ? ;)
11:06<bja>stuckey: Doesn't it have a rules script
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11:06<bja>OdyX: cross distro dependency hell
11:07<stuckey>bja: there's no ./configure
11:07<OdyX>bja: no non non
11:07<bja>OdyX: :)
11:07<OdyX>why would you need to cross-distro-compile when Debian is the universal OS ?
11:07<OdyX>stuckey: you need the build-dependencies (hint: man mk-build-deps) and you need to build the package (hint: man debuild)
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11:08<bja>stuckey: look also for a script called rules, its part of the debian way of compiling things
11:08<stuckey>OdyX: it needs libboost1.37-dev, but lenny has 1.35
11:08<azeem>dudes, stucky said he knew how to compile things
11:08<stuckey>So i'll break stuff trying to install this, right?
11:08<azeem>stuckey: no
11:08<azeem>boost is pretty compatible
11:08<stuckey>Then I can uninstall it after I compile?
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11:08<azeem>stuckey: what is "it"?
11:09<stuckey>I don't want to break my stable install
11:09<azeem>stuckey: eh
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11:09<azeem>who told you to install libboost1.37?
11:09<OdyX>pdebuild then ;)
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11:09<stuckey>: Build-Depends dependency for spring cannot be satisfied because the package libboost1.37-dev cannot be found
11:09<azeem>OdyX: please don't make this even more complex
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11:09<azeem>stuckey: so fix it
11:09<stuckey>install this package?
11:09<azeem>stuckey: no
11:09<azeem>fix the Build-Depends
11:10<stuckey>I don't get it... What do you mean?
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11:10<azeem>stuckey: then maybe you shouldn't build it yourself
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11:10<stuckey>azeem: sure I should.
11:11-!-mode/#debian [+l 413] by debhelper
11:11<stuckey>azeem: how does one fix build-depends?
11:11<stuckey>You mean I cna tell it to use 1.35?
11:11<azeem>did you even read what I said above?
11:11<azeem>17:07 < azeem> boost is pretty compatible
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11:13<stuckey>azeem: Yes I read that.
11:13<stuckey>So what's your point?
11:13<azeem>my point is you're not thinking about it enough
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11:13<OdyX>azeem: yes. Sorry.
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11:14<stuckey>azeem: You told me not to install the package...
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11:14<azeem>where did I say that?
11:14<stuckey>17:09 < stuckey> install this package?
11:14<stuckey>17:09 < azeem> stuckey: no
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11:14<azeem>you didn't say this
11:14<azeem>17:07 < stuckey> OdyX: it needs libboost1.37-dev, but lenny has 1.35
11:14<azeem>17:07 < stuckey> So i'll break stuff trying to install this, right?
11:15<stuckey>Okay so I install 1.37
11:15<stuckey>where do I get it... unstable?
11:15<azeem>17:08 < azeem> who told you to install libboost1.37?
11:15<stuckey>it's a dependency
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11:15<azeem>of what?
11:15<stuckey>the package in question
11:15<azeem>which package?
11:15<stuckey>which I wish to build
11:15<stuckey>"spring" ... the one that's in the ubuntu repository
11:15<stuckey>the one I'm trying to build on debian
11:15<azeem>source packages only have Build-Dependencies
11:15<azeem>not Dependencies
11:16<stuckey>Yeah and it can't build without this package..
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11:16<azeem>are you sure this isn't about libboost1.37-dev?
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11:16<stuckey>I need libboost1.37-dev to build dependencies for the package "spring" so that I can build source for the package spring.
11:16<stuckey>Get it?
11:16<azeem>17:08 < azeem> fix the Build-Depends
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11:19<Nazcafan>OdyX, can you explain a little more the choice 1)
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11:19<Nazcafan>because, I am trying to use synclient to remov two finger scrolling and it still does it
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11:20<Nazcafan>though synclient reports it to be disabled
11:20<stuckey>azeem: libboost-1.37-dev isn't in any debian repositories...
11:20<OdyX>Nazcafan: you should try to restart your X without xorg.conf
11:20<OdyX>Nazcafan: I suspect that your config actually forces some stuff in
11:21<azeem>stuckey: who told you to install libboost-1.37-dev?
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11:21<stuckey>azeem: !
11:22<azeem>17:15 < azeem> 17:08 < azeem> fix the Build-Depends
11:23<stuckey>azeem: That's who told me to install libboost-1.37-dev, okay?
11:23<azeem>and I told you to fix it
11:23<azeem>you don't fix things by installing unstable packages on stable
11:23<stuckey>azeem: I told you it isn't in any debian repository, so how the hell am I supposed to fix it.
11:23<azeem>that's at most a hack
11:23<azeem>so fix it to point to a stable package instead
11:24<k1lumin4t1>I have a Debian installation with GRUB 2 and all of a sudden I have no keyboard action when the bootloader is running
11:24<stuckey>Why don't you provide some useful information instead of assuming I know what it is you would do.
11:24<stuckey>azeem: how do I do that?
11:24<azeem>if you don't know how to do it, you shouldn't be back-porting packages
11:25<OdyX>stuckey: backporting things to stable is not "that" easy. You should read the new-maint-guide.
11:25<stuckey>azeem: how am I supposed to ever learn this if I don't do it?
11:25<OdyX>stuckey: by reading documentation first ?
11:25<azeem>stuckey: try to read the code, i.e. the files in the Debian source package
11:25<stuckey>which documentation?
11:25<azeem>debian policy manual e.g.
11:25<stuckey>This couldn't be that difficult
11:26<azeem>search for "Build-Depends"
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11:27<suicidal-princess>suicidal-princes> how can i install my baby making machine on my computer
11:27<suicidal-princess><me__> suicidal-princes, i wouldn't recommend having sex with a computer
11:27<suicidal-princess><Captain_Cool> Mobile app development might be quite interesting
11:27<azeem>suicidal-princess: please keep it on topic
11:28<stuckey>azeem: that makes for a really boring read.
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11:28<stuckey>azeem: why don't you just tell me how to do it.
11:28<ml|>bja: hah
11:28<azeem>stuckey: because I got work to do
11:28<bja>ml|: je je
11:28<OdyX>stuckey: because it is not just straight-forward
11:29<stuckey>How much is involved in this?
11:29<stuckey>What all do you really have to do?
11:29<OdyX>real work ?
11:29<OdyX>and requiring us to point you to the exact place where you have to do what is as much work as doing it for you
11:29<ml|>bja: still no luck here with xsession :(
11:29<OdyX>(which I don't want and which won't learn you anything)
11:30<stuckey>*won't teach me anything...
11:31<bja>ml|: trying to work around the problem, but the solution is eluding me
11:31<OdyX>stuckey: exacrly
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11:32<ml|>bja: read this and tried with xsession as an excutable, but same error
11:32<azeem>stuckey: if you think that reading the source is boing and unhelpful I can't help you, sorry
11:33<stuckey>azeem: what source do you mean?
11:33<azeem>the source package you are trying to build?
11:33<stuckey>azeem: how do you read it?
11:33<ml|>it seems xsession with never work here
11:33<azeem>with an editor
11:33<stuckey>? confused
11:33<azeem>after it got unpacked
11:34<stuckey>You mean, go to the ubuntu website, download it, and read what's inside?
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11:34<azeem>how are you going to compile it?
11:34<azeem>without downloading it=?
11:34<stuckey>I was using apt-get...
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11:34<bja>ml|: Yes read one very similiar to that page yesterday night before my selfkick out of the channel, and it makes things more complicated becauses it stucks xstart
11:34<azeem>and that cannot download it?
11:35<bja>ml|: I don't know the reason, but it will work
11:35<stuckey>azeem: how do i do this?
11:35<azeem>do what?
11:35<stuckey>azeem: download and read
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11:35<bja>ml|: or i'll poke at the bot for an hour je je
11:35<azeem>stuckey: did you try reading the apt-get documentation?
11:35<stuckey>azeem: yeah I read that at some point
11:35<azeem>stuckey: try again
11:35<stuckey>azeem: you mean read libboost or spring?
11:35<stuckey>azeem: because spring won't copmile on debian
11:35<azeem>if it does not compile, why do you try?
11:36<stuckey>azeem: becuase that's what the poeple in the spring irc channel told me to do.
11:36<azeem>they said "it does not compile, but try anyway"?
11:36<ml|>i will like to know the reason xinitrc is not liked in debian
11:36<valdyn>ml|: uh?
11:36<ml|>works fine here
11:36<valdyn>ml|: what does "like" have to do with anything?
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11:37<ml|>valdyn: maybe no that word, more recommeneded
11:37<valdyn>ml|: some nonsense
11:37<valdyn>ml|: *same* nonsense
11:37<valdyn>ml|: some ways to start X read xinitrc. some do not
11:37<valdyn>ml|: same for .xsession
11:38<valdyn>ml|: thats not a debian thing
11:38<ml|>valdyn: i was referring to dpkg msg on the subject
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11:39<ml|>ofcourse i use what works
11:39<valdyn>ml|: what did it say? which factoid?
11:40<ml|>valdyn: don't remmeber exactly but along the lines that should use xsession instaed of xinitrc
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11:41<valdyn>ml|: its not read when you log into gdm or xdm
11:41<valdyn>ml|: thats what people typically use today
11:41<bja>valdyn: ~/.xsession is not parsed by X when it starts nor ~/.xinitrc
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11:42<ml|>valdyn: and dpkg is not around so, but ....
11:42<valdyn>bja: its read when you log into X ( using xdm ) or read when you start X via startx ( .xsession )
11:42<bja>valdyn: So what does gdm read after user and pwd is given?
11:42<valdyn>bja: depends
11:42<bja>valdyn: On what?
11:43<valdyn>bja: gdm has a menu where you can select sessions
11:43<bja>valdyn: Yes so?
11:43<valdyn>bja: one refers to the "default" session, which will fall to .xsession if that exists
11:43<valdyn>bja: everything else will only use its specific scripts in /etc
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11:43<ml|>valdyn: see the factiod, I was just trying to use xsession, but does not work here so i will continue to use xinitrc
11:44<valdyn>ml|: its possible that it makes no difference on a single user system
11:44<ml|>valdyn: ok, but see what i was saying now
11:44<ml|>valdyn: is that factiod correct?
11:45<bja>valdyn: So if need to start an X aplication I will need a specific script for each wm or de
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11:45<valdyn>ml|: no, i dont have specifics, i dont know how you log into X or start X, so i dont know where you are makeing the mistake
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11:45<valdyn>bja: debian provides specific scripts for various desktop environments or wms, but only one proper way for a custom X session
11:45<ml|>valdyn: want to see my xsession and xsessio-errors
11:46<valdyn>bja: all desktop environments have their own session management on top, which you should use to "start specific X apps"
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11:47<bja>valdyn: So if I need a custom X start with a custom aplication I'll need a custom script for each wm?
11:48<valdyn>bja: scripts can do anything
11:48<valdyn>bja: so thats a silly question
11:48<valdyn>bja: 1 shell script can be your kitchen sink and everything, whatever
11:48<bja>valdyn: Didn't mean to look silly,
11:49<bja>valdyn: Where can i read about a custom X session
11:49<valdyn>bja: man bash
11:50<valdyn>bja: most people want to stick to one wm / de / whatever to be productive however
11:50<ml|>valdyn: so is this right? ... .xinitrc is discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1)
11:50<valdyn>ml|: NO
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11:51<valdyn>ml|: .xinitrc is *something* *else* than .xsession
11:51<valdyn>ml|: it doesnt do what you think it does
11:51<ml|>valdyn: ok, someoe should fix that
11:51<valdyn>ml|: nope
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11:51<bja>valdyn: Yes sounds right, but when you have to set a program for a lot of users on startup for multiple de or wm then x sound compelling
11:51<valdyn>ml|: what would be the point in having 2 files doing the same...
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11:52<ml|>valdyn: you just said that is not right which is it?
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11:52<valdyn>bja: so you really need to modify startup for many users at once
11:53<bja>valdyn: yes or i wouldn't be running into all this mess
11:53<valdyn>bja: you cannot do this perfectly, its not possible
11:53<valdyn>bja: because what happens after login is the users business, not the admins
11:54<bja>valdyn: right now I have sawfish, kde, gnome, flukebox and there is a user that prefers xmonad
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11:55<valdyn>bja: i think i need to know what the point of this is to give useful advice
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11:55<valdyn>bja: besically a wm is a program like any other, if a user can randomly change WM, then he can randomly change what you want to start for him
11:55<bja>valdyn: yes its his bussines what happens, but i need to have a programm running
11:56<valdyn>bja: to what end?
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11:56<OdyX>bja: it it running under the user's pid, he'll be able to kill it. If you _really_ need one, launch them as root
11:56<OdyX>(thus not through X init)
11:58<valdyn>bja: you probably want to start a program on login, thats ok too, but you wouldnt use any X mechanism for that
11:58<bja>valdyn: I believe the point is simple, Have a custom X session running. If the user kill the program, breaks the keyboard, or something else, its something beyond this point. Why not run it under rc2 because the programm needs X
11:58<valdyn>bja: which *dm are they using?
11:59<bja>valdyn: My personal choice is ion3, but on the network i have kde, gnome flukebox and a user is setting up xmonad
11:59<bja>valdyn: forgot sawfish
11:59<valdyn>bja: xdm or gdm or what?
12:00<bja>valdyn: kdm on some, gdm on others and xdm on other
12:00<valdyn>bja: thats one nightmare you are bringing upon yourself
12:00<valdyn>bja: are you serious you want to manage 3 different ways ?
12:00<bja>valdyn: bringing upon myself, I inherited everything
12:01<valdyn>bja: ok, the first step would be to consolidate on one, thats not imposing restrictions to users
12:01<bja>valdyn: Since everything runs under X I thought i would save me a lot of problems
12:01<valdyn>bja: then you changes need to be on the 'global' session scripts, thats /etc/gdm/* /etc/X11/xdm/* or probably /etc/kdm/*
12:02<bja>valdyn: no way to have just one ??
12:02<valdyn>bja: not if users dont use just one
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12:02<valdyn>bja: how many computers are we talking about here?
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12:03<valdyn>bja: why must you really start a program that needs an X display?
12:03<bja>valdyn: including laptops 30 +-
12:03<valdyn>bja: now im sure your purpose can be accomplished a different way, but youre not telling me the purpose
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12:04<bja>valdyn: company erp running on X
12:05<valdyn>bja: thats not any information
12:05<bja>valdyn: It can be acomplished through each wm startup script or rc file.
12:05<valdyn>bja: sure, admin nightmare
12:06<valdyn>bja: this is silly, i cant help you.
12:06<bja>valdyn: As long as they were using the server with vnc connections that was no problem.
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12:06<locklace>bja: say you want to do some common stuff whenever a user logs in, regardless of the dm. the cleanest way to do this is going to be to put that all in your own local script, and modify the startup logic in /etc/X11 to call your script as part of the login process
12:07<bja>valdyn: Guessed so, I'll try to find a solution somewhere else
12:07<bja>locklace: sounds cool, guess I'll have to read about X a lot more
12:07<valdyn>locklace: except that all 3 *dm use different scripts on logging in
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12:08<locklace>valdyn: hence the need to add the hook for all of them.
12:08<valdyn>locklace: yea
12:08<valdyn>thats a nice mess for something that probably doesnt even need X
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12:09<locklace>bja: it's not hard, actually the current organisation of /etc/X11 ought to make it quite easy (rc.d-type system); but i haven't looked at the gdm/kdm case (assume it's been made very similar, though)
12:10<locklace>bja: but for systemwide tasks like that you definitely want to be working with the system scripts (/etc/X11) and not through user .x* files
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12:11<bja>locklace: thx
12:11<locklace>bja: none of this really has anything to do with x itself, only: (a) the particular startup scheme used by each *dm, (b) the debian way of organising this and /etc/X11
12:11<bja>locklace: I'll guess I'll make a case study for the whole situation and analyze each user within the scope of their role on the network
12:12<bja>*business network
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12:13<bja>As windows is beeing set aside, I have to think ahead of the users needs.
12:14<locklace>i do agree that it would be best to migrate to a common startup method
12:14<locklace>you don't really want to be running all of {x,g,k}dm if you can possibly avoid it
12:15<bja>locklace: People before me prefered Mandriva, I am definetly Debian, and some people just were left on their own
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12:16<EmleyMoor>dpkg gone walkabout?
12:16<df1amb>Hi, I have problems connecting my to my wpa2 secured wireless lan using a at2425 and the ath5k kernel driver. The probelm is the card connects and about a second or so later it disconnects with Reason 1. The encrytion key is set right und to unsecured networks I am able to connect. Does annyone have an Idea how to fix this? I am running lenny with kernel 2.6.29 form unstable. With 2.6.26 it does not work at all and google is useless.
12:17<ml|>EmleyMoor: yes
12:17<bja>je je
12:17<cahoot>apt present her?
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12:17<locklace>df1amb: as a starting point you might want to paste your wpasupplicant config and the output of iwconfig for your interface
12:18<suicidal-princess> help meeee
12:18<locklace>suicidal-princess: is this a debian question
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12:19<suicidal-princess> thats the problem
12:19<bja>suicidal-princess: shoot
12:20<themill>suicidal-princess: I'm not seeing anything debian related here...
12:20<suicidal-princess>there is
12:20<df1amb>locklace: I'll do that as you wish but I think my wpasupplicant config won't help verry much because the same is running an another machine without having problem. pleas can you tell me where to paste the output of iwconfig.
12:20<bja>suicidal-princess: Then explain the problem here,
12:21<locklace>df1amb: works. so the same wpasupp config works with the same ap on another system (same or different hw?)?
12:22<locklace>df1amb: have you tried locking your card to the ap address with "iwconfig <interface> ap <addr>"?
12:22<df1amb>locklace: different hardware same ap.
12:22<locklace>df1amb: any info reported in dmesg or /var/log/* when you're experiencing this problem?
12:22<df1amb>locklace: no I haven't
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12:23<df1amb>locklace: I'll put the dmesg output to pastebin. But it'll take a few minutes.
12:23<locklace>df1amb: can you try that and also run wpasupp with -dd if necessary to get more log output
12:24<locklace>don't paste everything in dmesg, just look for wireless and wpa-related things when you're connecting/getting disconnected
12:24<locklace>check other log files like /var/log/syslog also
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12:31<df1amb>locklace: my iwconfig could be found here:
12:32<df1amb>and are the last 20 lines of syslog
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12:33<m2rt_>I ran this command: aptitude install '/home/m2rt/Downloads/opera_9.64.2480.gcc4.qt3_i386.deb'
12:33<m2rt_>And aptitude uninstalled 24 packages...
12:34<m2rt_>I didn't even read, cause I thought it asked if I wanted to install opera...
12:34<m2rt_>The full thing
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12:35<m2rt_>Evolution and Iceweasel are now looking like windows...
12:35<m2rt_>I mean windows 989
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12:36<azeem>m2rt_: so reinstall those packages
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12:36<bja>m2rt_: So, errors do happen
12:36<azeem>maybe just gnome-themes-extras suffices
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12:36<m2rt_>Well why should it do that with that command?
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12:37<bja>m2rt_: Good question, take a look at /var/log/aptitude the solution might be there
12:38<m2rt_>permission denied, come on, even for root.
12:38<bja>m2rt_: Also take a look at the dpkg log
12:39<bja>m2rt_: Sounds strange
12:40<bja>m2rt_: What distro are you running?
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12:40<m2rt_>debian lenny
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12:41<valdyn>m2rt_: youre supposed to take a look at that file, not run it
12:41<m2rt_>I run it with gedit
12:41<m2rt_>gedit filename
12:41<valdyn>m2rt_: more filename
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12:41<bja>m2rt_: try from a console as root less /etc/var/aptitude
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12:42<m2rt_>less /etc/var/aptitude is the command?
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12:42<bja>m2rt_: Got messed up wait
12:43<bja>m2rt_: "less /var/log/aptitude" thats the one
12:43<bja>I got mixed sorry
12:43<m2rt_>hehe happens :P
12:44<m2rt_>[REMOVE, NOT USED] aspel
12:44<m2rt_>and so on
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12:44<m2rt_>[REMOVE, NOT USED] aspell****
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12:45<mibman>I'm pretty sure that I've seen the md5 sums page before, but I can;t seem to find em now. Does anyone have a link to it?
12:45<bja>m2rt_: What is says is that those were insatalled to satisfy some dependency of another programm which is not present anymore
12:45<bja>m2rt_: so Aptitude decided to erase them on this chance
12:46<m2rt_>heh, nice..... cause they were needed by some, it seems. and rythmbox, I use it every day... :P
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12:47<bja>m2rt_: Just reinstall whatever you feel like, if you use the interactive mode, it will usually be safer
12:47<m2rt_>If I want to install multiple packages, do I use: apt get install package1 package2 etc or do I have to add coma or something?
12:47<df1amb>locklace: I put the output of wpa_supplicant with -dd to
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12:48<bja>m2rt_: please use aptitude, that way you just select them and everything gets done after a g
12:48<m2rt_>oh nice
12:49<m2rt_>thanks and bye
12:50<locklace>df1amb: you're getting wpa failures: "WPA: 4-Way Handshake failed - pre-shared key may be incorrect"
12:50<mibman>Oh, scratch that. I think I've found it.
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12:54<amoximilio>where are you fro?
12:55<joe__>where you fro?
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12:55<joe__>im bored
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12:56<df1amb>locklace: Oh I think it was my failure. Somehow I typed my key wrong. But I checked three times
12:57<joe__>maybe dumb lock was on
12:57<Fencer^>newbie questionb but still new with debian, how can i see my own ip =)
12:57<joe__>i think
12:57<joe__>testing to make sure
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12:58<joe__>i thought ti was ipconfig or ifconfig
12:58<locklace>df1amb: so does it work now
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12:58<df1amb>locklace: now it works thanks for the help
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12:59<joe__>oh yeah, fencer
12:59<joe__>as root, type ifconfig
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13:00<stuckey>What's a program that can rip an exact copy of a cd?
13:00<stuckey>!cd copy
13:00<Fencer^>ty =)
13:00<joe__>gnomebaker seems to work
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13:00<bja>stuckey: cdrdao
13:01<joe__>fencer: np
13:01<stuckey>bja: makes an exact copy?
13:01<bja>stuckey: Define exact
13:01<arw>hello i got the following error with egroupware in debian testing
13:01<arw> Checking file-permissions of .././etemplate/doc for not world writable:
13:01<arw>.././etemplate/doc does not exist !!!
13:01<bja>stuckey: Verbatim copy of a music cd
13:01<joe__>dude any program will do that
13:02<joe__>if the cd has copy protection, youll have to use something else though
13:02<arw>i search on internet but only i found a german page :(
13:02<joe__>stucky hell what cd is it, ill send it to you
13:02<stuckey>haha no
13:03<bja>stuckey: dd will do the work
13:03<joe__>i probably have it ....
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13:03<Timzorize>I have a problem now
13:03<Timzorize>I cant get into /etc/network/interfaces
13:03<joe__>oh shit
13:03<Timzorize>I can get to etc/network
13:03<joe__>thats serious
13:03<Timzorize>But I cant get into /interfaces
13:03<joe__>i never heard of that before Tim
13:04<Timzorize>Nice, then help me :D
13:04<joe__>i dont even know where to start
13:04<joe__>i mean, you cant even get into /interfaces
13:04<Timzorize>Why cant i get into cd/etc/network/interfaces
13:04<Timzorize>Then how can I get static ip?! :O
13:04<patrikf>Timzorize: because its a file and not a directory
13:04<Timzorize>OH LOL
13:04<Timzorize>nano interfaces
13:04<Fencer^>Hmm, another question, if i have 2 hd's how can i switch to other hd?
13:04<joe__>that usually stops people
13:04<Timzorize>God, Im stupid
13:04<patrikf>Fencer^: switch in what way?
13:04<joe__>Fencer switch in what way?
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13:05<patrikf>joe__: stop reading my thoughts
13:05<bja>Timzorize: If you say so :)
13:05<Fencer^>If i would like to get some stuff other hd
13:05<Timzorize>Should I put it to eth1 instead of eth0?
13:05<Timzorize>Does it matter?
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13:05<bja>Fencer^: mount the hard drive
13:05<joe__>Tim it definately matters
13:05<Timzorize>So I should put it to eth1
13:05<joe__>and no you shouldnt unless you have 2 nics
13:05<patrikf>where'd dpkg go?
13:05<Fencer^>bja, how to mount?
13:06<joe__>or unelss your only nic is configured to be eth1
13:06<joe__>but it prolly isnt
13:06<Timzorize>Thanks for helping me! :D
13:06<joe__>any time
13:06<bja>Fencer^: man mount will teach you a lot, take a look there its pretty well explained there and then comebakc :)
13:07<bja>* come back
13:07<Fencer^>hey, i have megaraid controller on my server, what package should i install for it?
13:07<joe__>nice i wish my server had raid
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13:07<joe__>its a damn dual 2ghz quad core with 4gb ram and dont even have raid
13:07<ranix>imo, md is better than hardware raid
13:08<Fencer^>But what package for it?
13:09<Timzorize>Can I mount a USB-stick in Debian? :P
13:09<joe__>just stick it in the USB port
13:09<Timzorize>Cool, how do I get into it?
13:09<joe__>it will prolly do it itself
13:09<adama>Timzorize: Can you not mount a USB-stick in Debian? :P
13:09<bja>Can someone turn on dpkg
13:09<Timzorize>I dont know to get into it
13:09<joe__>u using X ?
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13:10<joe__>when im in X, it just pops up on my desktop when i insert a usb drive
13:10<Timzorize>Hmm, when I save my static ip settings then I type: /etc/init.d/networking restart then I get the error: Couldn't read interface file "/etc/network/interfaces"
13:10<Timzorize>Can't I just restart the computer manually?
13:10<joe__>u doing it as root?
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13:11<pde>are there any known circumstances under which package upgrades would fail to install changelogs properly?
13:11<Timzorize>No :$
13:11<Timzorize>I did
13:12<Timzorize>But cant I just restart the computer manually?
13:12<Timzorize>I did save the changes
13:12<joe__>should prolly switch to root
13:12<Timzorize>How do I make my Ventrilo_srv to autostart?
13:12<Timzorize>I was on root
13:12<pde>zcat /usr/share/doc/bogofilter/changelog.Debian.gz | head -1
13:12<pde>bogofilter (1.1.6-3) unstable; urgency=low
13:13<pde>but bogofilter 1.2.0-2 is installed!
13:13<pde>and aptitude changelog bogofilter shows that there *is* a newer changelog
13:14<Fencer^>I have 2 hard drives, and if i have like apache server, should i install it on hd1 too, so it is cleared to internet?
13:14<pde>this is unstable, obviously, can anyone try to reproduce this?
13:14<pde>it might just be a bug in bogofilter, I suppose
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13:15<bja>Fencer^: Define what you need apache for, and act accordingly.
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13:15<verb3k>How can I view the output of a currently running process without restarting the process?
13:15<Timzorize>I dont get to the login screen, HELP!
13:15<Fencer^>ah, i was thinking about hostin websites
13:15<Fencer^>and if my hd0 goes full
13:15<Fencer^>and need more space, then need to swap to hd1
13:15<Timzorize>I cant login!
13:16<Timzorize>Its standing still on "Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsd_"
13:16<berto>Timzorize: looks like a DNS problem, your /etc/resolv.conf is ok ?
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13:17<Timzorize>ETC/NETWORK/INTERFACES is not ok
13:17<Timzorize>It says " Failed "
13:17<Timzorize>But I cant even login!
13:17<Timzorize>I dont get to the login-screen
13:17<x_v2-10_x>Hello ! I'm french ! Do you speak french ?
13:17<bja>Fencer^: take a look at df -h will give you your current status
13:18<bja>x_v2-10_x: /j #debian-fr
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13:18<bja>patrikf: dpkg is down
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13:18<patrikf>can someone please resurrect dpkg...
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13:18<Timzorize>It doesnt happen anything if I type something!
13:18<x_v2-10_x>quelq'un parle francais ?
13:18<Timzorize>If I type like "blabla" -> Enter -> Then it says "blabla" but nothing happens!
13:18<Fencer^>bja, wtf
13:18<Fencer^>Tiedostojärjestelmä Koko Käyt Vapaa Käy% Liitospiste
13:18<Fencer^>tmpfs 126M 0 126M 0% /lib/init/rw
13:18<Fencer^>udev 10M 88K 10M 1% /dev
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13:18<Ace2017_->hi, does anyone know where emerald and its themes are? i don't see them in the unstable repos
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13:18<patrikf>x_v2-10_x: try
13:18<Timzorize>I cant login! :S
13:18<ml|>you can use while dpkg is down
13:18<Fencer^>Didint read topic
13:19<Hydroxide>x_v2-10_x: ouais mai ici on parle anglais. on peu t'aider en francais à #debian-fr
13:19<Timzorize>Ml| are you talking to me?
13:19<Fencer^>tmpfs 126M 0 126M 0% /lib/init/rw
13:19<Fencer^>udev 10M 88K 10M 1% /dev
13:19<Fencer^>tmpfs 126M 0 126M 0% /dev/shm
13:19<x_v2-10_x>yes timzorize !
13:19<ml|>Timzorize: no, to everybody
13:19<Timzorize>Now I can login!
13:19<Timzorize>It took a while ^^
13:19<Fencer^>It look like i dont have other hd?
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13:20<Ace2017_->seems strange that i have to compile emerald but compiz is there
13:20<Ace2017_->locklace: what does that mean?
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13:20<Fencer^>what is this
13:21<Fencer^>where is my other hd :D
13:21<bja>Fencer^: Take it easy
13:21<Fencer^>What have i done wrong?
13:22<bja>Fencer^: df will only list mounted drives, it seems you don't have your 2nd hd mounted
13:22<Fencer^>so how do i mount my 2nd hd?
13:23<bja>Fencer^: Have you read "man mount"
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13:24<Timzorize>Now it works!
13:24<Timzorize>How do I make Ventrilo to run on startup?
13:24<bja>Fencer^: Then follow suit
13:24<Fencer^>bja, how can i mout something what is not there?
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13:25<Timzorize>How do I make Ventrilo to run on startup?
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13:25<bja>Fencer^: Did you type "fdisk -l" as root?
13:25<locklace>Timzorize: irc is apparently too advanced for you, suggest reverting to another medium that's more your speed, like the web
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13:26<bja>Fencer^: Then do it and see if your hd is working
13:26<Fencer^>correct it does
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13:26<bja>Fencer^: Then follow what man mount says
13:27<Timzorize>Locklace I dont find anything on the web
13:27<Timzorize>Just crapshit things that not help me
13:27<Timzorize>Please, can you send me a link?
13:28<Fencer^>bja, is my second hd named to hdc
13:28<Timzorize>Or at least help me :)
13:28<Fencer^>and first hda
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13:30<Timzorize>I have a problem now
13:30<Timzorize>How do I swap whitout turning off anything?
13:30<Timzorize>I have Ventrilo_srv ON now
13:30<bja>Fencer^: The firs should be hda the second hdb but then that is not writen in stone
13:30<Timzorize>But how do I swap so I can do other things whitout shutting it down?
13:30<Fencer^>Disk /dev/hdc: 80.0 GB, 80000000000 bytes
13:30<Fencer^>255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9726 cylinders
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13:31<Timzorize>Can I get a process list in Debian? If, how?
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13:31<Fencer^>ps -aux
13:31<Timzorize>How do I scroll up?
13:31<Timzorize>Thanks btw :P
13:32<Timzorize>How do I scroll up?
13:33<Fencer^>bja, is this command correct: mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc /var/www
13:33<Timzorize>How do I scroll up in Debian?
13:33<Timzorize>Which directory is Apache in?
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13:34<Fencer^>Timzorize: /etc/apache2
13:34<Fencer^>gotta go ->
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13:36<joe__>anyone here?
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13:37<joe__>when i ssh to myself
13:37<joe__>i get
13:37<joe__>The authenticity of host 'localhost (' can't be established.
13:37<bja>Timzorize: What part of apache
13:37<bja>joe__: Just say yes
13:38<patrikf>joe__: why on earth would you ssh to localhost
13:38<joe__>well i need to be able to ssh to my server from elsewhere
13:38<joe__>i cant right now
13:38<joe__>i try to ssh to my ip
13:39<joe__>and it dont work
13:39<bja>joe__: Then don't use the loopback interface
13:39<joe__>i ssh'd to localhost just to make sure sshd was working
13:39<joe__>so now i need to forward some ports on my router or something
13:39<bja>joe__: Do an ifconfig|grep ipv4 and try with that ip
13:39<joe__>port 22 ?
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13:40<joe__>bja it didnt give me anything
13:40<bja>joe__: Did you get any connection
13:40<joe__>it didnt give me an ip to try
13:40<joe__>ifconfig | grep ipv4
13:41<joe__>it dont return anything
13:41<bja>sorry its inet
13:41<bja>ifconfig|grep inet
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13:41<joe__>shoulda just said to my local ip
13:41<joe__>and yeah it worked
13:42<Timzorize>How do I autostart Ventrilo_srv on startup?
13:42<joe__>i think its being blocked on my router
13:42<bja>joe__: Try that from your server, then the second step
13:43<joe__>i did try
13:43<joe__>it worked, ssh'd to
13:43<bja>joe__: Do you have nmap
13:43<joe__>i just did apt-get install nmap
13:43<joe__>i do now
13:43<Timzorize>How do I autostart Ventrilo_srv on startup? (It is in /home/Ventrilo/ventsrv/ventrilo_srv)
13:44<joe__>how do i use it?
13:44<joe__>damn i aint used nmap in a long time
13:44<bja>joe__: nmap -vv ip2 will give you a basic output of what can be seen from your present ip of the ip2
13:45<joe__>u mean like
13:45<joe__>nmap -vv
13:45<joe__> ?
13:47<Timzorize>How do I autostart Ventrilo_srv on startup? (It is in /home/Ventrilo/ventsrv/ventrilo_srv)
13:47<Fencer^>bja, is that correct command: mount /dev/hdc /var/www/ ?
13:47<locklace>Timzorize: you are both noisy and clueless; either alone is a problem, both together are damning. please go read smart-questions *in full* and some of the thousands of books, manuals and tutorials on unix and debian readily available online before coming in here and wasting bandwidth and other peoples' time.
13:47<bja>joe__: yeap from your local machine ip <>
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13:47<Timzorize>But this is a fucking helpchannel, so why cant you help me with my problem?
13:47<valdyn>Timzorize: you need to pay first
13:48<bja>Timzorize: Because
13:48<locklace>because you're a fucking idiot, apparently.
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13:48<joe__>im pretty bad too though
13:48<bja>Fencer^: It should work
13:48<Fencer^>lets try :F
13:49<kop>joe__ : Your ssh problem is probably ssh_config StrictHostKeyChecking related. You need to look at your logs to be sure.
13:49<bja>kop: Don't think so
13:49<Timzorize>Why am I an idiot when Im trying to get help?
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13:49<bja>Since he can log via local ip , next step look for local fw and the look for nat troubles
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13:49<kop>bja, joe__ : I just read the initial problem.
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13:50<joe__>kop: yeah, well i aint worried about the warning as much as i am being able to get into my box, to make it so i can ssh in, is port 22 the only port i need to make sure my router has open to this server?
13:50<patrikf>Timzorize: a) watch your language b) be patient c) be nice. you get support here for free, what on earth do you expect?
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13:51<cahoot>Timzorize: the thing is: you can't ask for more than the option to put a good question - if -but only if someone knows the answer you stand a chance to get one
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13:51<bja>kop: After that then its time for sshd_config to disect
13:52<Fencer^>bja, gaved me this:
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13:54<joe__>bja: i think when i type nmap -vv <extermal ip> it tells me what ports are open on my router pretty much, right?
13:54<bja>Fencer^: hdc is the whole disk, you need to mount a partition hdc1 or hdc2 , then the type of fs seems to be wrong
13:54<bja>joe__: Yes if you see port 22 open, it should be getting your requests
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13:55<joe__>i dont see that port open
13:55<joe__>and i turned it open in my router
13:55<Fencer^>MM-Network:/home/jan# mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc1 /var/www
13:55<Fencer^>mount: special device /dev/hdc1 does not exist
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13:57<bja>joe__: Network topology, where are you? inside the same subnet? or are you outside of it?
13:57<Fencer^>this have no sence
13:57<Fencer^>i dont have anything els than hdc
13:57<bja>Fencer^: try ls /dev to see what special devices you have
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13:59<bja>Fencer^: Please pase "fdisk -l"
14:00<valdyn>Fencer^: if hdc exist but hdc1 not, then that means that hdc has no partition
14:00<bja>Fencer^: You have to partition it
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14:01<valdyn>Fencer^: isnt it obvious? you CANNOT access a partition that does not exist
14:01<bja>valdyn: thx
14:01<Fencer^>valdyn, sry, i have pretty bad english =)
14:01<valdyn>bja: for?
14:01<Fencer^>i thought something else :(
14:01<bja>valdyn: Getting the correct anwear on less info
14:01<joe__>bja, not sure what u mean man
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14:02<Fencer^>bja, so man partition=
14:02<Fencer^>dpkg not online :(
14:02<bja>Fencer^: man fdisk
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14:03<bja>joe__: Personal case, Server on correct access from
14:03<bja>joe__: No way I could acces from 10.1.15
14:03<Fencer^>so: fdisk dev/hdc?
14:03<bja>Fencer^: man fdisk
14:04<bja>joe__: Fixed on router
14:04<bja>joe__: The nat was a bit off
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14:05<bja>Got to go
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14:06<joe__>thanx for the help
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14:08<Timzorize>How do I delete a directory?
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14:08<Timzorize>rm does not work
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14:09<Timzorize>How do I create a .sh file?
14:09<valdyn>Timzorize: with a text editor
14:09<weasel>just edit it and save?
14:09<Timzorize>Ok, ah thats right :]
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14:11<cahoot>Timzorize: looks like you want to spend some time in the company of the 'Debian Reference'
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14:11<df1amb>Timzorize: but if you want to execute it from console you have to do an chmod +x 'filename'
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14:15<suicidal-princess>dont get it twisted
14:15<Timzorize>Can someone make a pvt chat with me?
14:15<Fencer^>bja, how can i clear my 2nd hd?
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14:16<Timzorize>Lets say I have two processes up right now: 1. Terminal | 2. Ventrilo server
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14:16<Timzorize>How do I switch between them?
14:16<Timzorize>In windows it is Alt + Tab
14:16<stuckey>After enabling compiz I got this error in the terminal: /usr/bin/compiz: line 393: 15091 Segmentation fault ${COMPIZ_BIN_PATH}${COMPIZ_NAME} $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMPIZ_PLUGINS
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14:19<shamanix>Tizmorize: interestingly Alt + Tab works for me, hoever I'm using LXDE, and LXDE is known to be a bit Windoze like
14:19<Timzorize>Im using Debian 5.0
14:19<Timzorize>Alt + Tab does work in windows but not in Debian terminal
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14:20<Fencer^>Hmmh, so any process to clear hd2?
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14:21<Timzorize>How do I switch between two processes, let's say I have Ventrilo server and Terminal on, Im typing something in the Ventrilo server and then I want to type something in the Terminal, how do I switch back from Ventrilo server to the Terminal? :)
14:21<shamanix>Fencer by clear you mean wipe all info off so noone could recover anything (in theory) ?
14:22<Fencer^>shamanix, ye
14:22<Fencer^>cleaning hole hd2
14:22<Fencer^>not hd1, where is my debian installed
14:22<Fencer^>just hd2
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14:23<locklace>Fencer^: "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc bs=16K" is a pretty effective hd-clearer
14:23<Timzorize>Do I need to install drives on Debian?
14:23<shamanix>Never checked if DBAN (Darik's Boot and Nuke) can do that, but you might want to take a look at it
14:23<ml|>you can also use wipe, but will take longer
14:23*weasel uses badblocks
14:24<attis84>hello, could anyone tell me if the substitution of missing glyphs with the corresponding glyphs from another font is a library or application-specific behavior?
14:24<Timzorize>Do I need to install drivers on Debian? :D
14:24<Timzorize>Debian terminal
14:24<locklace>Timzorize: seriously - stop talking.
14:24<ml|>Fencer^: aptitude search wipe <--- secure file deletion
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14:24<Timzorize>I just need help :S
14:25<Timzorize>Do I need to install Drivers in Debian terminal or not?
14:25<stuckey>I installed compiz and the manager but it doesn't do anything...
14:25<ml|>stuckey: dpkg is down
14:25<ml|>stuckey: try ....
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14:27<attis84>OK, I'll try again: is freetype responsible for printing Chinese characters instead of Tengwar, or the application?
14:27<valdyn>attis84: which application?
14:28<attis84>valdyn, many, including Vim, Firefox and OO.o
14:28<valdyn>attis84: vim doesnt have fonts at all, its a console app
14:28<valdyn>attis84: so you mean your gnome-terminal
14:28<attis84>valdyn, vim -g
14:29<valdyn>attis84: ok, thats gtk too
14:30<attis84>I'll try a Qt app
14:30<valdyn>attis84: i do not think that theres substitution going on
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14:32<Fencer^>hmm :D
14:32<valdyn>attis84: is tengwar part of unicode spec?
14:32<Fencer^>ml|, not sure, i wrote wipe -q /dev/hdc1
14:32<Fencer^>is it cleaning it now?
14:33<shonen>ok, guys, either I'm having a serious blond moment, or something is really wrong with apt. try as I might, I cannot get the non-free packages to show up in apt. link to relevant pastebin:
14:33<valdyn>attis84: first google hit seems to tell me that its some kind of invented elven language
14:33<dondelelcaro>shonen: which package are you looking for?
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14:34<valdyn>attis84: so if its not part of unicode, then theres no replacement going on
14:34<attis84>valdyn, it exists in two places, the old one is in the 0xe000 user part, the other is in plane 15
14:34<valdyn>attis84: and you would need a font that has tengwar where utf-8 has chinese
14:34<Timzorize>How do I switch between two processes, let's say I have Ventrilo server and Terminal on, Im typing something in the Ventrilo server and then I want to type something in the Terminal, how do I switch back from Ventrilo server to the Terminal? :)
14:35<attis84>valdyn, it's expected to land in plane one once accepted into the standard
14:35<valdyn>attis84: obviously you are using a font that has chinese whereever your locale tries to fetch tengwar
14:36<Timzorize>Does Proftpd autostart?
14:36<shonen>dondelelcaro: the firmware for the intel wireless, package name "firmware-ipw2200"
14:36<attis84>valdyn, no, that's not the case. The font has nothing there, but another has chinese glyphs, and I can't get my system prefer the font with the Tengwar chars to the one with Chinese
14:37<gsimmons>shonen: It's packaged as 'firmware-ipw2x00'.
14:37<valdyn>attis84: that should be configurable in /etc/fonts
14:38<valdyn>attis84: maybe you even have a prepared config file in /etc/fonts/conf.aval
14:38<valdyn>attis84: maybe you even have a prepared config file in /etc/fonts/conf.avail
14:38<attis84>valdyn, thanks, I'll have a look there!
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14:38<shonen>gsimmons: /facepalm I swear I tried this last night and it didn't work. is working now. thanks :/
14:38<valdyn>attis84: though i cant find one there
14:38<Timzorize>How do I switch between two processes, let's say I have Ventrilo server and Terminal on, Im typing something in the Ventrilo server and then I want to type something in the Terminal, how do I switch back from Ventrilo server to the Terminal? :)
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14:39<valdyn>attis84: now the proper way to use such a config file would be to create a link in /etc/fonts/conf.d/
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14:40<shamanix>shonen try replacing the word stable with lenny, don't know why by thats how its in my sources.list, if that doesn't work you can try manually downloading and installing the package
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14:41<shonen>shamanix: no need, is working now ^^
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14:43<Timzorize>How do I switch between two processes, let's say I have Ventrilo server and Terminal on, Im typing something in the Ventrilo server and then I want to type something in the Terminal, how do I switch back from Ventrilo server to the Terminal? :)
14:44<locklace>Timzorize: stop it
14:44<Timzorize>Then help me!
14:44<Timzorize>How do you switch between two process's?
14:44<Timzorize>In windows it is Alt + Tab
14:44<Timzorize>How is it in Debian Terminal?
14:45<valdyn>Timzorize: you dont switch between processes with alt-tab in windows either
14:45<Timzorize>Now I have to quit the ventrilo server every time i want to type something in terminal
14:45<Xenguy>Timzorize: alt-F2 ?
14:45<Xenguy>Timzorize: screen ?
14:45<llutz>Timzorize: use screen and be happy
14:45<Timzorize>Thank you
14:45<Xenguy>Timzorize: ask a better Q, get a better A
14:45<Timzorize>Xenguy thank you
14:45<Xenguy>Timzorize: yw
14:45<Timzorize>Now I can do what I want
14:45<shamanix>or get a tabbed terminal emulator or scream, or a tilling wm
14:46<Timzorize>But you can only have 6 different process up?
14:46<Timzorize>Alt-1 Alt-2 Alt-3....Alt-6
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14:46<cahoot>read up on 'screen'
14:46<valdyn>Timzorize: maybe you should first learn what a process is
14:47<Timzorize>I know theres many process running but I dont know what it is in english
14:47<Timzorize>And I kknow what a process is
14:47<valdyn>Timzorize: alt-tab switches between windows
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14:47<Timzorize>And I call it process because I dont know what it was in englsih
14:48<Timzorize>Is the right thing to press Alt-1 or Alt-2 or Alt-3 in Debian?
14:48<Timzorize>Or is it other ways too?
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14:48<valdyn>Timzorize: alt-1 just does nothing on most systems / windows
14:49<Timzorize>Im talking about debian
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14:49<valdyn>Timzorize: that includes debian
14:49<Timzorize>Alt + tab doesnt work in debian
14:49<valdyn>Timzorize: alt-tab doesnt work in your window manager maybe
14:49<Xenguy>Timzorize: are you using gnome?
14:50<Timzorize>I dont know
14:50<Timzorize>Debian 5.0
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14:50<Xenguy>gnome is the default desktop/window manager
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14:50<cahoot>strictly console mode?
14:50<valdyn>and gnome has alt-tab
14:50<Timzorize>nNo, I have only terminal
14:50<christoph>I commented out the nodeadkeysoption on my /etc/default/console-setup and now it's readded
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14:51<Xenguy>Timzorize: no GUI then?
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14:51<llutz>Timzorize: use screen
14:51<Xenguy>Timzorize: you should really learn 'screen' then
14:51<Timzorize>Nothing happens if I type screen
14:51<valdyn>Timzorize: nonsense
14:51<Timzorize>What's screen?
14:51<llutz>Timzorize: go learn some basics
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14:51<Xenguy>Timzorize: maybe it needs to be installed
14:51<Timzorize>Do you get up a UI?
14:51<locklace>i'm amazed anyone is still talking to this guy
14:51<valdyn>Timzorize: dont lie to us, screen gives an error or a message
14:52<Timzorize>I dont even know what screen is, its you who's talking about 'screen'
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14:52<Timzorize>I do only have terminal, text
14:52<Timzorize>Like cmd
14:52<Timzorize>command promt
14:52<ml|>Timzorize: aptitude install screen then man screen
14:52<weasel>Ganneff: unfortunately there's no channel mode to drill some freaking clue into people's skulls
14:52<llutz>Timzorize: apt-get install screen && man screen
14:52<cahoot>Timzorize: looks like you want to spend some time in the company of the 'Debian Reference'
14:53<Timzorize>Now its installed
14:53<Timzorize>How do I open it?
14:53<llutz>Timzorize: man screen
14:53<Xenguy>Timzorize: what do you want to do actually?
14:53<@Ganneff>Timzorize: go read a book about linux basics. then do the same for debian. and then actually listen to what people say and do what they say instead of talking bullshit. then you might actually get somewhere.
14:53<locklace>weasel: Timzorize is however the precise case for which +q was made
14:54<Timzorize>How do i delete that screen?
14:54<weasel>locklace: don't I know it. he graced myself with a query or his earlier and was quite resistent to learning that's not proper
14:54<Timzorize>How do i delete that screen?
14:54<Xenguy>Timzorize: what is your first language?
14:54<Timzorize>I dont want it
14:55<valdyn>i dont think his english is the problem
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14:55<Timzorize>I am on line 3195
14:55<Timzorize>It never ends! >_<
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14:56<@Ganneff>it ends now. go read up some basics please
14:56<@Ganneff>and try, that *might* help
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15:01<Nazcafan>I noticed that the alsa-base package is not installed on my laptop
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15:01<Nazcafan>I was wondering whether this was normal behaviour
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15:09<valdyn>Nazcafan: choice is yours
15:09<Nazcafan>valdyn, the thing is : my sound system works, but I don't know why
15:09<valdyn>Nazcafan: if you want sound, "aptitude install linux-sound-base"
15:10<valdyn>Nazcafan: sure, but some things dont work
15:10<Nazcafan>the problem I had might be from there
15:10<valdyn>Nazcafan: like saving volume accross reboots
15:10<Nazcafan>there it is
15:10<Nazcafan>I'll reboot
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15:11<valdyn>Nazcafan: also its not clear which driver gets loaded in general, alsa or oss, the linux-sound-base sets this up for oss or alsa properly, your choice
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15:13<Nazcafan>it works, now
15:14<Nazcafan>the sound settings are saved
15:14<Nazcafan>thanks a lot valdyn
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15:15<Trollinator>i'm trying to install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, but it can't be installed. It says that it depends on xserver-xorg-core >= 2:1.4, but i do have 2: installed.
15:16<valdyn>Trollinator: you must be misreading, show us the complete error and the output of dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core
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15:17<cahoot>not present in sid AFAIC see
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15:19<Trollinator>oh, i guess it's missing the linux-nouveau-modules stuff, right?
15:20<valdyn>Trollinator: should also do some things if you run "aptitude -f install"
15:20<valdyn>Trollinator: which means you already probably have conflicting / broken depends installed
15:20<Trollinator>it doesn't do anything
15:21<Trollinator>...No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed....
15:21<suicidal-princess>i feel sick
15:22<Trollinator>go to a doctor.
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15:23<suicidal-princess>and dizzy
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15:25<locklace>suicidal-princess: aptitude install mencal
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15:46<bja>Fencer^: How are things going?
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15:58<duraperidol>lo wonderful folks. just installed stable on a test system,
15:58<duraperidol>i have installed alsa, and alsactl
15:58<duraperidol>detects the sound card. it then configures it, i have checked alsamixer and the levels are raised,
15:59<duraperidol>i have tried using playing with say, cplay or another program to play sound, and it still fails
16:01<Eulex>define 'fails'
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16:02<Eulex>does it error out? or does it work, but you get no sound?
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16:04<bja>!tell duraperidol about alsa-checklist
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16:04<ml|>duraperidol: did you check in alsamixer if any of the levels where muted [MM]
16:04<bja>ml|: dpkg is running again je je
16:04<duraperidol>Eulex: a sound test using say root, plays nothing, and the local accts have a speaker with the red-x.. simply put, either it is not working, or i have missed something
16:05<ml|>dpkg: wb
16:05<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
16:05<duraperidol>yes I have checked
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16:06<duraperidol>yes alsa-base, alsa-tools, alsa-utils are all installed
16:06<bja>duraperidol: There is a prgoramm that all it does is generate a tone, i'm looking for it
16:07<duraperidol>i ran alsaconf, it detected the sound card, and i also have already checked the group perms
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16:07<ml|>$ speaker-test -t wav -c2
16:08<duraperidol>hey . it does play wav's
16:08<bja>ml|: cheater
16:08<duraperidol>via aplay
16:09<bja>duraperidol: then check for codecs or error messages
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16:09<duraperidol>haha, ml| I was doing that manually using aplay, and the wav's in /use/share/sounds/alsa
16:10<ml|>duraperidol: that is another way
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16:11<duraperidol>ml|: indeed it is
16:11<duraperidol>doing another modprobe now
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16:19<bja>ml|: Are you using urxvt?
16:19<ml|>bja: yes start the deamon tho urxvtd
16:20<Fencer^>bja, fine thanks =)
16:20<bja>Im trying to copy paste, but It just doesn't feel right any keybindings needed
16:20<bja>Fencer^: Solved your hd problem?
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16:21<ml|>Fencer^: wipe wiped what you wanted?
16:21<ml|>bja: urxvtd -q -o -f &
16:21<ml|>in xinitrc
16:22<ml|>bja: for urxvt?
16:22<bja>ml|: yes, I don't seem to get things right
16:23<locklace>ml|: & is superfluous there given what -f does
16:23<ml|>bja: to copy hilight text and right click to paste middle mouse
16:23<locklace>bja: ctrl-insert/shift-insert
16:23<ml|>or that
16:25<ml|>locklace:ok, did not know but keep it for completeness
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16:26<stuckey>How do I remove gnome? Just "apt-get remove gnome" or is there something else I have to do?
16:26<ml|>stuckey: that should do it, if you can search fo gnome in aptitude to make sure
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16:27<stuckey>How do you search in aptitude?
16:27<stuckey>Sorry, I always use apt-get, but I want to start using aptitude.
16:27<bja>stuckey: Be sure to have a login prompt somewhere, Just for the sake of safety
16:27<ml|>and earch
16:28<bja>stuckey: aptitude, then inside type /
16:28<ml|>hah my / got cut off
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16:29<ml|>stuckey: or aptitude search gnome
16:29<ml|>stuckey: or apt-cache search gnome
16:29<stuckey>it pulls up a lot of shit
16:30<valdyn>!remove gnome
16:30<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly).
16:30<stuckey>What version does Lenny have?
16:30<valdyn>stuckey: 2
16:31<ml|>stuckey: yes use purge didn't see remove when you typed above
16:31<bja>judd: version gnome
16:31<judd>bja: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot.
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16:31<ml|>judd: versions gnome
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16:31<judd>ml|: gnome -- etch: 1: lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 squeeze: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 sid: 1:2.24.3~2
16:33<stuckey>What do all of those packages do?
16:33<bja>stuckey: They are part of gnome, they just make it happen
16:33<valdyn>stuckey: why are you asking us?
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16:33<valdyn>stuckey: every package comes with a description
16:34<ml|>stuckey: if you are going to purge gnome that will remove all the gnome that stuff to
16:34<stuckey> <--- that was the output; would someone tell me if it looks right?
16:34<ml|>16:22:47 < bja> ml|: yes, I don't seem to get things right
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16:35<ml|>stuckey: just do aptitude purge gnome
16:35<duraperidol>also, when i log out from one acct, and into another
16:35<valdyn>stuckey: no
16:35<duraperidol>the mouse cursor dissappears
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16:35<duraperidol>i have tried it using skill -kill (when i first noticed it), as well as logging out via gdm
16:36<stuckey>valdyn: okay I did what I was told... what's the problem?
16:36<duraperidol>in both instances, the cursor dissappears
16:36<valdyn>stuckey: that factoid is not accurate, its libgnome2-0 libbonobo2-common etc
16:36<valdyn>stuckey: why are you bothering to do this?
16:37<stuckey>valdyn: I don't like gnome
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16:37<valdyn>stuckey: thats obvious
16:37<stuckey>valdyn: okay so I suppose I've broke something... how do I fix it back... just re install all of that stuff
16:37<valdyn>stuckey: suppose you asked a specific question then you could get a specific answer
16:38<stuckey>valdyn: I ran the command someone gave me to remove gnome, you told me it wasn't right.
16:38<stuckey>valdyn: specific enough?
16:38<valdyn>stuckey: what you pasted didnt "break" anything, it just removed some things that you probably dont even need
16:39<stuckey>valdyn: oh oaky then
16:39<stuckey>so I've sucesfully removed gnome?
16:39<valdyn>stuckey: that paste doesnt show a removal of gnome at all
16:39<stuckey>valdyn: well how do I remove gnome?
16:39<valdyn>!remove gnome
16:39<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly).
16:39<deniz>is it possible to remote desktop without a GUI?
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16:40<valdyn>stuckey: you remove all packages starting with "libgnome2-" or "libbonobo2-"
16:40<valdyn>stuckey: and you do not use the * literally
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16:40<stuckey>valdyn: that information would have been useful.
16:40<ml|>when i removed gnome aptitude purge gnome did the trick here
16:41<valdyn>stuckey: depending on how you installed gnome.. read ^^
16:41<stuckey>valdyn: i installed it at install time.
16:42<locklace>deniz: directvnc
16:42<valdyn>stuckey: you probably have a huge hardisk, so this is a waste of time when you only want to use a different desktop environment
16:42<ml|>bja: got the paste and copy working?
16:42<stuckey>valdyn: fine
16:43<bja>ml|: yes thx
16:43<Xenguy>deniz: not sure what you mean "without a GUI"
16:43<deniz>locklace, how exactly does that work?
16:43<ml|>stuckey: you can also do aptitude -s purge gnome with no ill effects
16:43<locklace>deniz: framebuffer
16:44<ml|>to see what will happen
16:44<stuckey>dry run huh?
16:44<ml|>bja: great :)
16:44<ml|>stuckey: yes
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16:44<deniz>Xenguy, i have a GUI on this comp and i would like to control a comp only by terminal bcuz i wont be able to use graphics since ill be dealing with a video card issue and id like to use this comp to control the other one so i can do other stuff at the same time as well as not be depressed lol cuz i need a GUI for a comp to be fun
16:45<deniz>like this comp has GUI but the comp i wanna control will not have a GUI
16:45<deniz>aka GNOME
16:45<ml|>deniz: how about using ssh
16:45<shamanix>deniz, look up ssh
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16:46<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about ssh
16:46<Xenguy>locklace: directvnc looks interesting BTW
16:46<Xenguy>dpkg: ssh
16:46<dpkg>[ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" ( Clients for other platforms include <putty><cygwin><niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and password authentication. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your ssh server include <fail2ban> <denyhosts>. Also see <scp><sftp><ssh without password><sshx><ssh linedraw><debug sshd>.
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16:51<bja>Has anyone use the iptables module recent?
16:51<lucas_>est ce que qq un pourrait m'aider?
16:51<Supaplex>bja: sure
16:51<bja>lucas_: !fr
16:51<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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16:53<bja>Supaplex: Isn't it the same thing as fail2ban
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16:53<Supaplex>no. fail2ban requires a failure. iptables can forget/reset blocked addresses automatically in so many secdons/hours etc.
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16:55<lucas__>does s o can help me?
16:55<Supaplex> has two thresholds. the first threshold locks you out for one minute, the second locks you out for five minutes. if you're locked out, timer resets and your timeout starts all over.
16:55<Supaplex>!tell lucas__ -about ask
16:55<lucas__>it's the first time I use irc and I don(t understand
16:56<Supaplex>lucas__: anyone here might help. just ask your question.
16:56<lucas__>I have a adress to DL something from a site but how can I do?
16:56<lucas__>do I have to connect to the website channel?
16:57<Supaplex>is it a url?
16:57<deniz>ml|, i did apt-get install ssh
16:57<lucas__>I show you:
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16:57<ml|>deniz: right and?
16:57<lucas__> /msg [TaHiSe]`n00b xdcc send #26 AND msg [TaHiSe]`Sensuifu xdcc send #113
16:57<lucas__>what is that?
16:57<deniz>ml|, i don't know what to do next lol
16:58*locklace finally found a package that looks like it might provide an acceptable buffer against the pain of iptables
16:58<Supaplex>lucas__: looks like it's not related to debian at all.
16:58<ml|>deniz: man ssh
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16:58<bja>ml|: Tell deniz about sshd
16:58<deniz>ml|, i really never ever understand the manuals, they should make manuals much more explanatory like wikis and guides
16:58<ml|>deniz: and man sshd
16:59<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about sshd
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16:59<bja>Supaplex: thx, taking a look at your post, its very interesting
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17:00<bja>Supaplex: Is it ok if i copy paste to analyze it over the week end?
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17:04<Supaplex>bja: yeah. the whitelists are at the top, and you'll need to send port 22 traffic to it. search the debian user mailing lists for ssh iptables recent and I'm sure you'll find the conversations that led me to create mine.
17:04<bja>Supaplex: thx
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17:08<locklace>i just want pf
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17:08<locklace>maybe nftables won't suck as much
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17:10<Supaplex>!start a firewall war
17:10<dpkg>OpenBSD's pf *owns* your sorry little ipchains ass.
17:10<bja>locklace: Yes it looks promising but it will have to wait
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17:10<duraperidol>i have tried it using skill -kill (when i first noticed it), as well as logging out via gdm, the mouse cursor disapears
17:11<bja>dpkg: 10 yards, unnecessary violence
17:11<dpkg>bja: wish i knew
17:11<locklace>dpkg: amen
17:11<dpkg>Praise the lord!
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17:18<ml|>dpkg: rocks
17:18<dpkg>Yer damned right...
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17:20<jas>hi all
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17:21<jas>any1 knows how 'base-files' do to generate and update its files? such as /etc/issue ? (plz)
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17:23<bja>jas: If you give a specific sample, then help might be on the way
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17:29<jas>specific sample: packet name: base-files ; file:/etc/issue ; question: how 'base-files' do to generate and update its files?? (man is our friend?)
17:29<jas>or lsof?
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17:30<ml|>dpkg: sshd
17:30<dpkg>ml|: I give up, what is it?
17:31<bja>ml|: sshd
17:31<bja>je je
17:31<Kvant>jas, i guess they're just files in the package?
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17:32<jas>how do to update it?
17:32<jas>when i changhe my source.list?
17:32<Kvant>then a different version of the package gets to be install candidate
17:33<jas>and tha the question is? how base-files ask to apt? how update files?
17:33<ml|>bja: :P
17:33<Kvant>apt will install the new version of base-files when you do upgrade
17:34<bja>ml|: I know it is indeed more effective
17:34<ml|>jas: aptitude update
17:34<jas>i want to find how to get distro codename (such as: squeeze/sid) when
17:35<ml|>dpkg: tell jas about aptitude
17:35<ml|>dpkg: tell jas about why aptitude
17:35<jas>is aptitude update that write?
17:35<jas>or say to base-files?
17:35<ml|>jas: what is your native language
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17:36<bja>ml|: italian
17:36<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:36<jas>i want to find how to get distro codename (such as: squeeze/sid) when i add sid sources to a source.list whit testing sources
17:36<bja>ml|: he is already connected there
17:36<bja>jas: be careful there
17:37<bja>jas: mixing distro is one shure way to get into trouble
17:37<jas>i'm italian ml| unfortunately
17:37<bja>jas: Perfection eludes us all :)
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17:38<ml|>dpkg: tell jas about sources.list
17:38<jas>i know troble but my end is the knowledge
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17:39<bja>jas: long way cat /etc/debian_version look that number on the site
17:39<jas>:O thanks!
17:39<bja>judd: versions debian
17:39<judd>bja: debian --
17:40<bja>judd: versions gnome
17:40<judd>bja: gnome -- etch: 1: lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 squeeze: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 sid: 1:2.24.3~2
17:40<jas>lol im a noob :P
17:40<bja>jas: Thought so
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17:40<bja>jas: And a brave one btw
17:40<jas>$ cat /etc/debian_version
17:40<jas>.... same as /etc/issue
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17:42<bja>jas: man sources.list
17:42<jas>never mix distros whit debian if your way is knowledge? hahahahaha hihihiihhi
17:42<ml|>jas read msg from dpkg
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17:42<jas>ok ok reading, see u later :P
17:42<ml|>bja: dpkg has factoid about this but don't remember right now
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17:43<jas>ops, how to read msg from dpkg ml| ? ... :(
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17:43<ml|>in your irc client a window or tab named dpkg
17:44<bja>ml|: Yes it does, but it is in English and then jas does speak Italian, its easier for him/her to understand his native language on his/her computer than reading a factoid in someother language which we aren't certain he fully understand
17:44<jas>lol u mean dpkg the chan bot lol
17:45<ml|>jas: yes
17:45<ml|>bja: true but better tha nothing
17:45<jas>has this bot an help?
17:45<ml|>dpkg: tell jas about dpkgbot
17:46<jas>an help command or so ...? (sorry 4 my english .....)
17:46<ml|>jas read msg from dpkg
17:46<bja>ml|: Same case with Fencer^
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17:47<jas>thanks ml| very good ... very very nice :D
17:47<ml|>jas: np
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17:47<jas>im reading see u later guyz and thanks all
17:47<ml|>dpkg: rocks
17:47<dpkg>Yer damned right...
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17:48<ml|>jas: what you want is testing and unstable in sources.list?
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17:50<jas>no no
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17:50<jas>i added some non-debian source for some specific package
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17:53<jas>but apt seems ... displeased :P
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17:54<ml|>jas: paste it in a pastebin
17:54<ml|>dpkg: tell jas about paste
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17:54<bja>jas: try aptitude
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17:55<bja>jas: it usually complains in a more verbose way
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17:56<ml|>jas read msg from dpkg
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17:56<jas>so i think thath is right ho bja says: mixing distro is one shure way to get into trouble .. :P that Perfection eludes us all :)
17:57<jas>yes ml| what paste want from my apt?
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17:57<ml|>jas: you can do it just need to be careful, general not a good idea
17:57<jas>(sorry for my english plz)
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17:58<ml|>jas: yes if you get any errors or the question you had
17:58<jas>a ok ok
17:58<jas>understand, thanks!
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17:59<jas>very nice
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18:01<jas>is debian the better, higher GNU/Linux distro in the World? as u ml| ( :P )
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18:01<ml|>jas: huh?
18:02<prahal_>anacron does not redirect messages from the jobs to syslog or mail ? it seems weird to me though I tried hard and cannot achieve that .
18:02<jas>in comparison to the others distros? ml|
18:02<bja>prahal_: check crontab
18:02<dondelelcaro>prahal_: it mails its output.
18:03<dondelelcaro>prahal_: man anacron; for details
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18:04<jas>ok nicotime time, thanks and sorry about me :P see u 'a' later :D
18:04<ml|>jas: that is subjective, but i do use debian ;)
18:04<bja>prahal_: check /etc/anacrontab and look for "MAILTO=your@email.address"
18:05<bja>prahal_: If it is not there it won't mail you anything
18:06<bja>prahal_: Also check /etc/crontab for "MAILTO=your@email.address"
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18:09<prahal_>bja, the man page ? I tried MAILTO (been using it for a long while for cron . I read the bug and debian fix for to enable MAILTO in anacron . MAILTO=<myuser> gives me nothing for anacrontab. Though running anacron -f -n -d cron.daily also shows no messages from the jobs (except the ones that uses logger to send to syslog directly and informative messages as told in anacron manpage ... those informative messages behing anacron te
18:09<prahal_>lling about its state nothing about the messages of the jobs)
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18:11<prahal_>the point is that apache2 does not always restart when logrotate restart it (this being done by anacron). I removed the >/dev/null and try to find a way to receive the messages (before putting my modified script on production etch server
18:11<bja>prahal_: Have you tried to run the scripts manually and look at the output?
18:12<bja>prahal_: logrotate is done by cron, not anacron
18:13<prahal_>bja, yes though locally everything is fine ... I am missing the load of the full cron.daily called serialized by anacron (locatedb, etc happening at the same time as the restart of apache).
18:14<bja>prahal_: On the production server can you offset part of the load?
18:14<prahal_>bja, I thought so too but crontab is test -x anacron || ... run-parts cron.daily (logrotate being part of cron.daily). Thus when anacron is installed cron.daily is only processed through anacrontab
18:15<dondelelcaro>the only reason to have anacron installed is if the machine is not on all of the time
18:15<bja>prahal_: dondelelcaro is right, I would have anacrontab installed on my lap, but i wouldn't install it on a server.
18:16<bja>prahal_: btw it wouldn't hurt you to upgrade from etch to lenny
18:16*prahal_ slap on my head ... obviously anacron is not installed on prod
18:16<prahal_>I checked on my laptop before checking on the prod
18:17<bja>dpkg: nuke prahal_
18:17*dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at prahal_
18:17<Nazcafan>I finally understood two finger scrol
18:17<prahal_>ok so it leaves the issue about not having MAILTO giving anything a wayy lesser priority (personal forensic that ll be and later
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18:18<Nazcafan>you need to scrol with the two fingers, and not with one, the other staying at the same place
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18:23<ml|>dpkg: congratulations
18:23<dpkg>Oh BOY!! I won!!
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18:24<bja>prahal_: Have you ever tried a vm machine of your server on your lap?
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18:29<prahal_>bja, definitely something I ll do if I test the upgrade to lenny . Thanks for the idea . Btw this is a friend's server. That s why I don't know the exact setup beforehand
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18:31<bja>prahal_: Good luck
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18:36<bja>On the debian mailing list search I was looking for something with Preferred language:english, and i get a bunch of messages in German and French, Is that a bug
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18:41<jas>where are u from bja ml| and max part of others in this channel?
18:41<jas>i'm from italy .. unfortunately
18:42<ml|>jas: why unfortunately?
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18:42<jas>'cause is italy ... i must continue?
18:42<shamanix>i know one country not far from yours that sucks 100x more
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18:43<ml|>shamanix: ?
18:43<ml|>jas: hehe continue
18:43<jas>u know, guyz, which are the position of italy in the world about digitalization tecnology????
18:44<dmoerner>there was recently a post on about locating a tech business in italy vs the united states, you could probably dig it up
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18:44<dmoerner>it had pros and cons of each
18:44<jas>serbia is better tha italy, in some and some aspects
18:44<sney>I know an italian programmer, he's brilliant, but he left and moved to america
18:44<bja>Countries are not good or bad, take a look at their governments
18:45<jas>heehehhe minds escape!!!
18:45<sney>italia has had like 10 governments in the past 20 years
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18:45<ml|>guys this should really go on #debian-offtopic
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18:45<jas>the matter is
18:47<jas>non the Government but the governess !!
18:47<jas>the emperor
18:47<sney>I think the offtopic distinction is really for when there is something going on
18:47<sney>does anyone have any support questions
18:47*sney waits
18:47<dondelelcaro>it's for any time that people are being off topic, actually.
18:48<ml|>dpkg: offtopic
18:48<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
18:48<jas>i think sney is right
18:48<sney>man the whole offtopic discussion right now didn't even fill the whole screen on my eee
18:48<ml|>according to dpkg he is
18:48<sney>sney is often right
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18:49<jas>yhea, lol :P
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18:50<dondelelcaro>regardless, this channel isn't for general discussion; there are other channels like #debian-offtopic dedicated to it. Occasionally being off topic is ok; it happens... but it should be avoided, and when it's pointed out, it isn't being avoided enough.
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18:51<sney>this is probably the part where I *shouldn't* point out that the discussion of whether the discussion is off-topic has taken more time and concentration than the original off-topic discussion itself
18:52<bja>!beer sney
18:52*dpkg deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for sney
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18:54<jas>omg, i have a little difficulty to translate these high discussion but i believe that u are right dondelelcaro , sney and i ask pardon to all :P sorry
18:54<Brainscrewer>someone needs to help me with a n00b question
18:54<ml|>dpkg: ask
18:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
18:55<Brainscrewer>im trying to find out how i can list all users on my server
18:55<Brainscrewer>like if i type users i only see root
18:55<Brainscrewer>whilst there is a second account
18:56<bja>Brainscrewer: type "w"
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18:56<Brainscrewer>that only displays root
18:56<Brainscrewer>ks24504:~# ls /home
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18:57<dondelelcaro>Brainscrewer: getent passwd
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19:00<bja>dondelelcaro: will it not give all the system users as well?
19:00<dondelelcaro>bja: there's no difference
19:00<dondelelcaro>a user is a user is a user
19:00<bja>dondelelcaro: Vague answear for a vague question je je
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19:05<Brainscrewer>The user `brainscrewer' is already a member of `root'.
19:05<Brainscrewer>but i cant use apt-get
19:06<witte>Brainscrewer: I am not sure what you are doing, but this does not sound good
19:06<Brainscrewer>why not
19:06<witte>your user should't use apt-get: or root (you can use su), or your user via sudo
19:06<dpkg>methinks sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>)
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19:07<witte>Brainscrewer: did you add your user to the root group?
19:07<Brainscrewer>it sais so
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19:08<witte>Brainscrewer: who sais so?
19:08<Brainscrewer>The user `brainscrewer' is already a member of `root'.
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19:08*bja smells an ubuntu user
19:09*witte thinks bja is right
19:09<Brainscrewer>im used to sudo :P
19:09<Brainscrewer>but that doesnt work :P
19:09<witte>!doesnt work
19:09<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> <errors>
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19:10<witte>Brainscrewer: do you use ubuntu or debian?
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19:10<Brainscrewer>otherwise i woulnt be here
19:10<witte>ok, this is one of the things where they are different
19:11<witte>Brainscrewer: well, glad that you know that, not all ubuntu users know that
19:11<Brainscrewer>know what?
19:11<witte>Brainscrewer: did you configure /etc/sudoers
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19:12<Brainscrewer>i dont think so
19:12<witte>know that this is a debian channel, and that people who use ubuntu should ask questions on #ubuntu (there are quite some of those)
19:12<witte>Brainscrewer: howcome that you than say that you work with sudo (or are used to), but that it does not work
19:13<Brainscrewer>i have a shell
19:13<witte>and again: which errors, what do you try,...
19:13<Brainscrewer>everything works there
19:13<Brainscrewer>im not used to configure stuff
19:13<Brainscrewer>im trying to learn that
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19:14<OneZero>Hello all, I have a question regarding debian and raid
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19:15<bja>dpkg: tell OneZero about ask
19:15<OneZero>I have 3 drives, and need to setup a raid system on a new lenny install, but not positive which raid level to use, and which way to configure. I need data protection, not speed
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19:15<OneZero>bja: was typing :)
19:16<Brainscrewer>i figured it out witte
19:16<dpkg>-- I heard raid5 is see raid or -- also see and click the various levels (0 ... 50, 0+1) on the page's RAID LEVEL: bar
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19:16<OneZero>I have considered raid 1, but thought 3rd drive would be wasted
19:16<witte>OneZero: I would say raid 5 is best for you
19:16<sney>I agree
19:17<sney>and people used to pay me for that
19:17<OneZero>i tried to do a raid 5, and upon installation, shut system down, and removed a drive, and system failed to boot
19:17<OneZero>would that have not simulated a drive failure?
19:18<sney>should have
19:18<sney>are you doing software raid or what
19:18<witte>OneZero: it should have given you a bunch of information on the missing disk, maybe a resque shell?
19:19<OneZero>server has a nvidia sata raid built in, but could not figure out how to get it work right, with deb
19:19<OneZero>so disabled that and did software
19:19<OneZero>tried doing 1 raid5 partition on each drive, with a 2gb swap on each, left just as swap
19:20<OneZero>then read someone suggest doing a small /boot raid1 on each drive, then 2nd partition as raid 5, and last as swap
19:21<OneZero>it appeared to be possibly a rescue shell, could not get system to recover though, probably my lack of knowlege there though
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19:22<OneZero>i have another box, just two drives set in raid1, and upon drive disconect, system boots normally, when you view the mdstats it just shows its missing a drvie is all
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19:23<OneZero>hmm broke the room
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19:25<OneZero>what is the reccommended partition layout for raid5 with 3 drives?
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19:25<witte>OneZero: i do not have that many experience with raid, and my raid system is always on seperate disks, so I choose on big partition on all 3 disk... (and my os is not installed on the raid system)
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19:26<OneZero>a raid5 part, and swap on each?
19:26<OneZero>what about this raid10, someone has article saying it "better" then raid5 ?
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19:27<OneZero>understandable witte, appreciate it.... anyone else?
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19:29<witte>OneZero: better is a strange thing: depends on who you are and how much you want to spend to save your data and get it as fast as possible
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19:30<OneZero>well, as i said before, goal is to have configureation, that will recover easily from 1 drive failure, without loosing any data, with 3 drive setup... speed is not an issue here
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19:31<OneZero>under raid 5, all data is on any two drives, is this correct?
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19:32<OneZero>so if i do a raid 5 partition on each drive, with a swap on each... , install grub to raid5 md0, should boot upon disconnecting a drive?
19:34<witte>I think it should
19:34<witte>what errors did you get?
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19:35<OneZero>i dont recall, i am partitioning it right now... should be loaded soon
19:35<witte>OneZero: ^^ is pretty good as a raid intro ;-)
19:35<OneZero>yea, i've read it
19:36<OneZero>and thats nice for the theory part... dont really help with the linux part lol... where to put grub, if you need another type raid for boot, what to do for swap
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19:43<OneZero>blarg, looks like its hung on configuring apt now, woop there it goes nm
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20:02<OneZero>err, why wont grub install to /dev/md0
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20:03<enouf>OneZero: it's not a disk
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20:03<OneZero>how do i install grub to the raid then?
20:03<enouf>it's a virtual block device
20:03<enouf>you don't
20:03<bzed>OneZero: you need to install it to the mbrs of the disks md0 is created from
20:03<bzed>OneZero: works only for raid1, though
20:04<enouf>grub-pc aka; grub2 has more options
20:04<OneZero>so for raid 5 i need a raid1 on the drives for boot?
20:04<bja>enouf if you don't install grub, how do you boot a machine with raid?
20:04<bzed>yeah, maybe grub2 can handle that, but I still consider grub2 is not stable enough
20:05<enouf>bja: you misundestood
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20:05<bzed>OneZero: I usually create a ~120MB partition on each disk and drop a raid1 on it, and large partitions with the rest of the space and raid5 on it
20:05<enouf>plus there is a plethera of other bootloaders
20:06<bzed>enouf: not a single useful one?
20:06<OneZero>do you use the 120 for /boot?
20:06<bzed>OneZero: yeah
20:06<bja>enouf: Yes
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20:09<bja>enouf: What bootloader would you use for a raid 5 array and how would you install it?
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20:10<OneZero>do i need the bootable flag to be on for each drive as well?
20:10<OneZero>on the raid partition?
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20:19<andrew>im having a bit of trouble with debian
20:19<andrew>anyone there?
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20:19<bja>dpkg: tell andrew about ask
20:20<andrew>i have installed debian lenny on my lenovo t400
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20:20<andrew>the installation went fine
20:20<andrew>but after it posts, it will not boot
20:20<andrew>no grub
20:20<andrew>no error
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20:20<dondelelcaro>andrew: did you install grub to the right device?
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20:20<andrew>i was not given the option
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20:21<andrew>i installed from a flash drive, if that matters
20:21<dondelelcaro>andrew: in any event, boot off of the cdrom in rescue mode, mount the drive, chroot, and rerun grub
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20:21<dondelelcaro>shouldn't really matter
20:21<deniz>when I make a program start at boot in system-->preferences-->sessions, how do I make 100% sure that one command (or application) is run before the other? (I want firewall to be run before moblock ALWAYS)
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20:21<deniz>do i just follow the chronological order?
20:22<andrew>weird thing is, ubuntu installed and boots without a problem
20:22<andrew>im not a tremendous fan of ubuntu though, so i will give your suggestion a shot
20:22<bja>deniz: Firewalls are run always from rc# dirs, so by the time you get to X everything is working fine
20:23<deniz>bja, ok but just for the sake of knowledge, how do I make sure one thing runs before the other?
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20:24<bja>deniz: There is a man page for it, but you have to follow sys V rules
20:25<bja>deniz: Sxx_name_of_script on rc#.d is a simlink to the real script
20:26<bja>deniz: S means start if the simlink begins witk a K its a kill
20:26<shamanix>deniz: try bum for a graphical interface for this
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20:27<bja>deniz: xx is the number, smallerones get executed firs
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20:31<bja>deniz: take a look here "" guess it is indeed explained better
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20:32<deniz>i like bum but what exactly is firestarter's command during system boot
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20:34<bja>deniz: ls /etc/rc`runlevel`.d/
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20:34<bja>deniz: After reading what dondelelcaro just wrote
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20:35<shamanix>deniz: start bum, click advanced, startup & shutdown scripts, firestarter should be there
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20:35<shamanix>at least I can disable/enable it there
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20:36<deniz>shamanix, why is firestarter there and moblock in the summary tab??
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20:37<shamanix>AFAIK serviceses are services (aka deamons or whatnot), scripts are script, theres a difference
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20:39<shamanix>deniz: what does moblock do? I don't even have it in my config
20:40<deniz>shamanix, blocks your ip from cops /enterprises when downloading torrent cuz u can get sued even for downloading cracked versions of stuff u alredy own
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20:43<shamanix>Oh, ok I live in a country that totaly pisses on those laws, so that explains why I don't have it :-)
20:43<bja>shamanix: country?
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20:44<bja>shamanix: Be always careful
20:44<dondelelcaro>all moblock does is block requests from clients thought to be involved in law enforcement; it doesn't actually protect you
20:44<bja>shamanix: Are you an owl?
20:45<dondelelcaro>(you could do the same with an iptables based block list)
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20:45<bja>dondelelcaro: moblock is just that
20:45<shamanix>yeah, one can argue about the effectivnes of blocklist, still 10% protection better then 0
20:45<Drag0n>i need help
20:46<Drag0n>i have debian GNU/LINUX 5.0
20:46<Drag0n>im new
20:46<deniz>shamanix, isn't it more like 99%?
20:46<bja>dpkg: tell Drag0n about ask
20:46<Drag0n>i want know if i can run some xwindow or some?
20:46<Drag0n>what command?
20:47<Drag0n>can i used to check that?
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20:47<Xenguy>without a blocklist you are a sitting duck; a blocklist seems to offer some kind of cover in my experience
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20:47<bja>Drag0n: Take a look at the dpkg tab on your clien :)
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20:48<bja>I've never seen a debian package ever cracked ??
20:48<bja>Drag0n: using irssi?
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20:49<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
20:49<bja>A wild guess
20:50<Drag0n>im very new :)
20:50<bja>Drag0n: What is your native language
20:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:51<deniz>does anyone know why I need gdm running for my wireless internet to work? it seems as though my wireless depends on network-manager-gnome aka nm-applet to work, what if i want to use computer without GUI, how can I make the internet function regardless?
20:51<bja>Drag0n: Lanzate al #debian-es ahi te espero
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20:53<kop>deniz : I don't know, but I do recall some daemon that does something wireless related. Lemmie look....
20:55<bja>deniz: Take a look at the gnome site, many things will become clear after you read their pages.
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20:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:57<kop>deniz, bja: I'm thinking of hostapd. I don't really know what it does, but I think it may be necessary for authentication.
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20:59<deniz>kop, so apt-get install hostapd will allow me to use wireless without GNOME running?
21:01<bja>deniz: How console savy are you?
21:01<deniz>bja, smartter than a ubuntu user, but more stupid than the average debian user
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21:03<kop>deniz : I don't know. I've been reading the gnome network manager page.
21:03<kop>deniz : I don't know. I've been reading the gnome network manager page.
21:04<kop>deniz : (oops) It seems that it's designed to bundle a bunch of stuff that makes neworking easy, regardless of the gui. Perhaps it can be installed without the rest of gnome?
21:04<kop>deniz : (FWIW, aptitude seems to be recommended over apt-get.)
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21:07<kop>deniz, bja: I'm not very wireless savvy. But I'd like to know the answer. Perhaps bja can point us in the right direction?
21:10<kop>deniz : I don't really work with wireless. My general approach to getting anything working is to install and work from the command line and just muddle through and rtfm until it works. My guess is that something like hostapd is going to be necessary to make wireless work. One thing to do is to look at all the dependencies of the network manager and see about figuring out which parts are essential.
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21:14<kop>deniz: If it's nm-applet that's essential then the network-manager package is all that needs to be installed.
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21:17<jesus>buenas desde vezuela
21:17<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:18<shamanix>dpkg: rocks
21:18<dpkg>Yer damned right...
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21:20<bja>shamanix: 2 on the row, how impressive
21:21<shamanix>i studied spanish for 2 years, I'm quick to recognize it LOL ;-)
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21:27<bja>shamanix: You really send a pair of headaches down to #debian-es je je
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21:27<abrotman>yeah .. 'hola' is hard :)
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21:29<shamanix>si, hola es muy difficil ;-)
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21:35<bja>You don't know what is like, Drag0n rented space on a debian server and wants to run a virtualized xp there with no X acces and the other one just has the usual nvidia trouble wiht no bot
21:37<shamanix>why would anyone want to run a virtualized xp as a server?
21:38<shamanix>xp wasnt even designed for stuff like that, I'd even question the windows server series, but thats me
21:38<brians>the guy from cisco/?
21:38<brians>lol that is funny
21:38<brians>virt xp
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21:39<bja>shamanix: Thats one heck of a question for this guy :)
21:39<brians>is this drag0n from cisco?
21:40<bja>Guess his having second thoughts on what he really wants je je
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21:43<bolice>hello everybody
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21:44<bja>bolice: Never asked
21:44<bja>bolice: Sorry not for you
21:44<bja>brians: Never asked
21:45<bja>dpkg: tell bolice about ask
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21:49<abrotman>bja: maybe he doesn't want to ask .. maybe he wants to help ?
21:49<bja>abrotman: sorry I mixed channels
21:49<bja>bolice: An apology
21:50<bolice>^-^ i just want have a look, and i know how to search at the help document
21:50<bja>dpkg: beer bolice
21:50*dpkg deftly decants a fine Guinness for bolice
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22:35<nova>kam betehkam ke bahasa ku ni
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22:39<shamanix>mi a fasz? what language are you using nova, I've seen and heard a lot, but damn
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22:42<abrotman>he's gone
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23:08*Supaplex farts in your general direction
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23:26<jas>olallà a tout le monde
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23:34<johnfg>hi guys
23:34<johnfg>Not sure who's here, but I'm gonna try this question again.
23:34<johnfg>I've got kerberos installed, configured and pretty much working.
23:34<johnfg>kadmind starts up at boot fine, but krbkdc does not!
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23:35<johnfg>Both scripts are in /etc/init.d to start these services. I asked in #kerberos, too, but so far have gotten no answers.
23:35<johnfg>Any ideas? Anyone here?
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23:39<johnfg>I've got kerberos installed, configured and pretty much working on debian lenny.
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23:58<jas>sorry, i dont know how help u johnfg i know what u speaking about but ... i think kerberos is much trouble :P
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