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---Logopened Mon May 18 00:00:20 2009
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00:23<gsimmons>xemacs4321: modprobe snd-pcm-oss
00:24<xemacs4321>gsimmons, thankyou
00:27<xemacs4321>snd-page-alloc.ko error in kernel from modprobe
00:36<wooj>bah... websites telling me iceweasel is incompatible.
00:36<wooj>the firefox user-agent-switcher extention ought to work in iceweasel, yea?
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00:42<diego>it would be much faster if the updates download more than 1 file at a time
00:42<stuckey>Would installing a program from source and then installing an earlier version of the same program with apt-get cause problems?
00:42<diego>any way of doing so ?
00:46<wooj>stuckey, possibly, if your previous install has files that conflict with those apt installs.
00:47<diego>hi, any way of making the update manager download more than 1 file at once
00:47<wooj>I'd make uninstall from the source prior to using apt to install any version, assuming that the makefile supports that
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00:48<wooj>diego, I believe it already does run 2 concurrent downloads.
00:49<wooj>well, presuming you're hitting more than one repository
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01:01<k1lumin4t1>any GUI tool to draw structural organization diagrams?
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01:11<stuckey>wooj: how do I make an uninstall from source
01:11<wooj>stuckey, if the makefule supports it, a simple 'sudo make uninstall' ought to do it, in the same dir you did the 'make install' in
01:13<stuckey>wooj: what if I don't have the install directory anymore
01:13<wooj>stuckey, you could re-download it, I would guess
01:14<stuckey>wooj: server is down...
01:15<wooj>I dunno what to tell you... check the .deb file list for the package you want to install and manually remove any conflicting files maybe... but that could be a whole bunch of bad.
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01:15<wooj>its best to compile sources into a deb so you can remove it with dpkg should the need arise.
01:16<stuckey>Opps, didn't know how to do that.
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01:16<user01_>how do you activate anti-aliasing?
01:17<stuckey>wooj: says make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop.
01:17<wooj>stuckey, then the makefile doesnt support it
01:17<stuckey>So what's my options?
01:17<wooj>you're kinda SOL. You can manually remove conflicting files, or just say 'to heck with it' and install from apt and hope it works.
01:17<jm_>user01_: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
01:18<stuckey>wooj: installed from apt and it didn't work...
01:18<stuckey>how do I find conflicting files?
01:18<wooj>stuckey, check the .deb file list.
01:18<user01_>jm_, thanks
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01:18<stuckey>how do I do that?
01:18<wooj>stuckey, or try apt-get remove --purge package
01:18<wooj>then reinstall it
01:19<knoppix_>nick TheAvonGuy
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01:19<wooj>dinnertime for me though. Good luck :)
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01:19<user01_>lets see if that worked, brb
01:19<TheAvonGuy>sorry 'bout that everybody... been a long day.....
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01:22<user01_>jm_, does look better thanks!
01:22<jm_>user01_: no worries
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01:35<stuckey>If I wanted to re-install lenny would it be more difficult if I was using LVM?
01:35<stuckey>I have another partition that I keep files on and I don't want to hose it, I just want to redo the lenny install.
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01:39<user01_>jm_, you wouldnt know what causes the area around fonts to appear yellow?
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01:41<jm_>user01_: is this on LCD monitor?
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01:41<user01_>jm_, yep
01:41<mir_>hi people
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01:44<jm_>user01_: hmm never seen it, perhaps change the options like "rgba" for contconfig
01:44<simonrvn>there's people in here? i'm shocked :P
01:44<jm_>for fontconfig*
01:44<user01_>jm_, cool thanks
01:45<simonrvn>yeh, you'll have to tweak that for yor lcd, and enable sub-pixel rendering
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01:49<mir_>hi :)
01:53<mir_>how many email accounts could fit onto a virtual server of 2GB?
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02:03<aardvarX> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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02:07<mir_>does anyone know of a postfix /mail users channel?
02:08<gsimmons>mir_: #postfix on
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02:09<mir_>thanks gsimmons
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02:55<Zviper>what's a good webui to manage customers, payments and whatnot
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03:34<dnr>hiany one knows abot how to setup fusion forge in ubuntu 8.04 server
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03:41<bzed>!tell dnr about ubuntu
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03:44<skandaleras>oups, I thought was in another window X)
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04:04<PiklesOnFire>i had like 3 hamburgers for dinner XD
04:06<mir_>did they have pickles on them?
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04:08<petern>pickled cucumber, mmm
04:10<mir_>cant understand why people at mcdonalds remove their pickle cucumber
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04:13<petern>true, a channel full of just joins and parts is better.
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04:21<PiklesOnFire>lol - and boy, the joins and parts are so exciting at... 4:20 XD
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04:23<PiklesOnFire>i'll give debian this - lenny is quite possibly the most stable OS i've used
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04:46<stuckey>Do LVM partitions show up in the partition manager at install time? Ones that are already installed on a system?
04:46<stuckey>I want to back up an LVM partition, and then move it to another system.
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05:01<tuvok>Hi gang, I have a simple question I hope you can help me with: I am running etch and each time I do a clean reboot eye of gnome opens up with a grey window.
05:02<tuvok>Is there a way I can stop this?
05:02<dr|z3d>tuvok: Sure, remove eog from your automatically started session apps.
05:03<dr|z3d>Probably something under sessions in gnome's configs. Dig around!
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05:04<tuvok>ad in desktop > sessions > start up programs right?
05:04<tuvok>sorry as in
05:04<dr|z3d>Sure.. should be there.
05:04<tuvok>the list does not have eog :-(
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05:05<tuvok>thanks for the response
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05:06<dr|z3d>There's also local conf files that load stuff I think, don't recall offhand which you'd want to look for.
05:07<petemc>there are gnome-session-foo commands as well
05:07<omg_onoez>hi, i am running debian unstable on my eee pc 900 netbook and i wish to know if i can try to add special kernel repo from for ubuntu to my sources list?
05:07<tuvok>ok I will look for those thanks
05:07<omg_onoez>what problems it may cause (in the worst case) ?
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05:07<tuvok>unless you know exactly where
05:07<omg_onoez>thanks and sorry for my poor english )
05:08<locklace>omg_onoez: sure, you can do whatever you want, sky's the limit.
05:08<tuvok>will it be in home directory with a dot b4 it?
05:08<locklace>omg_onoez: worst case, your system is hosed and you have to reinstall.
05:08<dr|z3d>omg_onoez: Worst case scenario: your system fails to boot with the kernel. Make sure you keep your current one around and available in grub.
05:08<omg_onoez>okay, everything is clear
05:08<omg_onoez>ty, guys )
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05:09<dr|z3d>locklace: If he's just installing a new kernel, shouldn't hose his system if he keeps old kernel around.
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05:09<jm_>dr|z3d: not the words "worst case"
05:09<dr|z3d>omg_onoez: You might want to "pin" your existing kernel if it isn't already pinned.
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05:10<omg_onoez>and one thing... it is better to add ubuntu hardy, intrepid repo to my sources list or no matter?
05:10<locklace>omg_onoez: but since you're already running unstable, you're clearly familiar with the risks and know what you're doing, so have fun!
05:10<dr|z3d>Add the repos related to your distro, omg_onoez.
05:10<omg_onoez>yep, i'm having a lot of fun here with unstable (:
05:10<dr|z3d>Don't mix and match Debian and Ubuntu.
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05:11<omg_onoez>dr|z3d, i just wanna to try to use the kernel, that was compiled specially for my netbook
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05:11<omg_onoez>and they have repos with those kernels only for ubuntu
05:11<dr|z3d>omg_onoez: Sure; it's most likely pinned anyways.
05:12<dr|z3d>I'd seriously advise against installing an Ubuntu kernel onto a Debian system. Or vice versa.
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05:12<dr|z3d>Same goes for using Ubuntu repositories.
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05:13<dr|z3d>If you want to run Ubuntu kernels, you're better advised to run Ubuntu.
05:15<omg_onoez>i understand that
05:15<omg_onoez>i just don't want to compile it by myself )
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05:31<benjamin>Hi, my debian server has just restared "May 18 11:09:06 sd-10602 syslogd 1.5.0#5: restart." , but I can't find why? Could someone help me ?
05:31<debam>hi to all, i am having HP LTO 800GB tape can i use this in debian to take backup.?
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05:32<petemc>benjamin: syslog restarts every day
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05:33<benjamin>petemc, ok but the whole server has restarted too
05:34<petemc>check the logs prior to the restart
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05:36<paveq>how do I stop these gnome programs appearing on KDE menu?
05:37<paveq>we run linux workstations, kde is the default, but some do want gnome...
05:37<debam>enouf, jm_ how to use HP LTO 400GB tape drive in debian to take backup?
05:37<paveq>but simply installing gnome makes kde menu clutter
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05:38<jm_>paveq: man upadte-menus
05:38<jm_>debam: tar for example
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05:38<jm_>update-menus even
05:38<paveq>jm_: cool, thanks
05:38<paveq>didn't know about that one
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05:39<jm_>paveq: hmm maybe that's not the right approach, I don't see gnome stuff there
05:40<debam>jm_ : i am not sure about will it work in debian and how? before purchasing it .
05:41<jm_>debam: I can't answer that, better ask HP about it
05:41<debam>jm_ : gives support for red hat / windows..
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05:42<jm_>paveq: gnome-menus maybe
05:42<jm_>debam: well if it works in RH
05:43<paveq>updates-menu doesn't help much, I would need to manually remove every menu item
05:43<paveq>and then it would affect gnome menu too?
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05:45<jm_>you can tell update-menus to not add some entries to the menu
05:46<paveq>apparently update-menus only generate "debian"-menu
05:46<paveq>but I have, for example, gnome terminal in my kde "system"-menu
05:47<jm_>so KDE isn't using the same way to get the menus then?
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05:55<paveq>hmm, seems that I would need to edit /usr/share/applications/, and append stuff like "OnlyShowIn=kde;"
05:56<jm_>probably freedesktop menus then
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05:57<paveq>its weird how some programs seem to already have that
05:57<paveq>but not all
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06:09<krazy>I'v got a simple question, i've installed pure-ftpd-mysql and when i try to launch the server with /etc/init.d/....... the server does not launch, but if i try to launch manually it's Ok
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06:12<krazy>What did i miss in the configuration ?
06:12<llutz>read logfiles
06:13<krazy>I did aptitude install pure-ftpd-mysql
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06:13<krazy>then I created the tables in the MySQL
06:13<petemc>krazy: you can add -x to the shebang line of the init script to see where the problem is
06:13<llutz>krazy: read logfiles
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06:17<deavid>hi, I'm reading PIL documentation and in the method "show" it's calling to a program called "xv". I can't find this program in Debian ¿there's a package with this program included, or something compatible?
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06:18<deavid>I want to debug several images in a fast way using python, and PIL doc recommends the show method for debugging
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06:26<xonic>ping eljefe_
06:26<xonic>ping eljefe_
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06:29<deavid>ok, i'm using gthumb as a replacement for xv .-)
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06:52<Razique>hi all !
06:52<Razique>I've chrooted my users
06:53<Razique>but how can I hide chroot files
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06:53<Razique>like all the lib files
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07:10<Guest2990>Tell me please where located old images debian-500-i386-DVD-?.iso. ?
07:10<Guest2990>At are present hashes only.
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07:11<Guest2990>I need to restore bad dvd images debian-500-i386-DVD-?.iso with rsync, like described at
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07:28<zacareli>usb mount
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07:40<stuckey>I installed the package wmii but I now have the old wmii instead of the new one... anyone know why?
07:40<eljefe_>xonic: whats up?
07:40<jm_>there's wmii and wmii2 package
07:40<stuckey>wmii is supposed to be wmii3
07:40<stuckey>Last time I installed wmii and it gave me the new one...
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07:42<stuckey>So which package do I install to get the new one?
07:42<jm_>well isn't 3.x newer than 2.5?
07:42<stuckey>I don't understand how this can be... The only difference is that I used aptitude this time and last time I used apt-get.
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07:43<stuckey>jm_: do you know why this is?
07:44<jm_>stuckey: sorry but I have no idea what your problema actually is - do dpkg -l 'wmii*'
07:44<stuckey>ii wmii 3.6+debian-4 lightweight tabbed and tiled X11 window manager, version 3
07:45<stuckey>It also gives wmii2... perhaps I accidently installed wmii2 and it's using wmii2 instaed of wmii
07:45<stuckey>Since package 'wmii' is the newest one.
07:45<jm_>stuckey: can't be since wmii is installed and wmii2 conflicts with it
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07:46<stuckey>jm_: well wmii and wmii2 are installed.
07:46<stuckey>according to dpkg
07:47<stuckey>it says "un wmii2" wait... perhaps that means it isn't installed?
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07:48*bremner recommends "apt-cache policy wmii2" for those questions
07:49<stuckey>bremner: Installed: (none)
07:49<stuckey>that's what it says...
07:49<jm_>stuckey: "un" means it's not installed
07:49<stuckey>So how do we explain this?
07:49<stuckey>Did the package change in stable?
07:50<stuckey>A month or so ago I installed this with the very same CD and I got the new wmii, and now I've got the old wmii, although it's calling it the new one.
07:50<jm_>you definitely have version 3.6 installed
07:51<stuckey>I must be using a different window manager right now then... How do I set wmii version 3.6 to be my default window manager?
07:51<stuckey>This must be some sort of default in xserver.
07:51<jm_>update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
07:52<stuckey>Yep, I'm using dwm. What's dwm?
07:52<jm_>apt-cache show dwm
07:53<stuckey>it looks just like the old wmii
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08:05<stuckey>jm_: thanks, that worked.
08:05<jm_>no worries
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08:06<stuckey>How do I make aptitude install a package by package name? I'm doing "/" and then typing in the name of the package but I have to keep hitting "/" and then searching again, and again, until it actually highlights the name of the packge I wish to install.
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08:07<ml|>stuckey: hit n to repeat search
08:07<stuckey>Why doesn't it highlight the cloest thing to which you've searched?
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08:07<jm_>or simply use its command line interface + tab completion
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08:17<milad>خيرات يا شباب
08:17<milad>كنه الجو أمكسد ،،
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08:17<jm_>milad: try english
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08:18<milad>لازم يعني (English) ،،
08:18<milad>حتى العربي يشكروا فيها
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08:18<dpkg>i guess ly is Libya
08:18<jstein>just upgraded my testing to kde4. Many bugs.... package dependencies were wrong. (dolphin and otheres missed) now i have no keyboard reactions and no titlebars on kde4 whrere should i search the error?
08:18<koollman>interesting, I have the correct font to display ... arab, I guess ?
08:18<jm_>yeah looks pretty :)
08:18<milad>yeah,, that right ,,
08:19<locklace>no Libyan #debian, i guess
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08:20<dpkg>methinks ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina
08:20<koollman>ah, no luck
08:20<locklace>milad: so is debian pretty popular in Libya?
08:21<milad>i think ,, no one know it (it's known by 0.002%)
08:21<jstein>milad, of population, or of PC users?
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08:22<locklace>milad: ok, we're relying on you to spread the word
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08:23<milad>most of people here use Windows ,, even universities & companies
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08:25<locklace>pretty much like the rest of the world then
08:28<darrob>hi guys, i just routinely updated my home server's (lenny) software. this time it got a new kernel version. i'm wondering what the common thing to do is. do you reboot every time there is a new kernel or do you ignore it (everything is running smoothly after all) and reboot whenever?
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08:28<azeem>darrob: depends on how critical security is
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08:29<azeem>darrob: probably worthwhile to review the kernel changelog, and evaluate how severe the CVE's are that it fixes
08:29<darrob>oh, good point. i should go and read up what's new
08:30<darrob>thanks, azeem
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08:33<milad>خيرات من جديد ،،
08:33<locklace>this is going to be like one of those twilight zone episodes isn't it
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08:39<milad>~(hi)~ every one !!
08:40<locklace>hi milad
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08:45<stuckey>I have a LVM partition set up as my swap parition; I just rebooted and it didn't get mounted --- I saw lots of errors saying it couldn't be read.
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08:46<locklace>you don't mount swap
08:46<locklace>and this worked for you before, right, so what did you change?
08:46<locklace>paste the errors
08:46<stuckey>How do I get to them.. .they were given while booting...
08:46<stuckey>Why is swap in fstab then?
08:46<stuckey>If it isn't mounted...
08:47<locklace>does swapon -s show your swap
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08:47<stuckey>locklace: yes
08:47<locklace>so it works.
08:48<stuckey>Where can I access the errors?
08:48<locklace>depends on where they came from. check dmesg output and other logs in /var/log
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08:48<jm_>stuckey: enable bootlog
08:49<stuckey>jm_: how
08:49<adb>!tell stuckey about bootlog
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09:04<Coolinger>hi! i am using cdbs to build some "configuration" debian packages, where i can setup configuration files for all the debian boxes on my site. is there a way to not show the "Configuration file changed" question during dpkg configuration?
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09:05<jm_>Coolinger: you can pass dpkg force options
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09:06<Coolinger>i wanted to keep the normal "aptitude upgrade" process untouched...
09:06<Coolinger>i was already thinkiung of installing the config files to /usr/share/doc/... and copy them over in the postinst. just wanting to ask for a better way :)
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09:07<jm_>that's far from better way
09:07<jm_>you can pass dpkg options on aptitude command line
09:07<Coolinger>you know, the aptitude safe-upgrade should throw as few intractions as possible... i am doing weekly upgrades on ~70 boxes...
09:08<duraperidol>howdy, does anyone know of any chinese/english translation software in #deb?
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09:08<johnfg>hi folks
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09:10<duraperidol>hi johnfg
09:10<johnfg>I've got both kerberos and ldap installed and working on debian lenny. kerberos is pretty much all good, but I can't authenticate when I use nsswitch.conf with password files ldap, and group files ldap. Anyone able to help?
09:10<johnfg>hi duraperidol
09:10<Coolinger>jm_: you mean a dpkg::... option? i was looking for a list of them, do you have a link perhaps?
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09:12<jm_>Coolinger: yes, -o Dpkg:...
09:12<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
09:12<jm_>like so
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09:14<Coolinger>jmd, thanks!
09:15<Coolinger>jm_, thanks :)
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09:39<washi>hello there; using testing, just upgraded to kde4 - as expected, not smooth
09:39<washi>however did everything so now it works
09:39<washi>except sound
09:39<washi>no sound; any ideas?
09:40<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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09:54<washi>petermc in kde4 arts is replaced by phonon
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09:55<washi>everything did
09:55<washi>no sound
09:56<washi>anyone there?
09:56<washi>oh well
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10:03<m_g>guys, the critical bug 525516 hasn't been changed since 3 weeks, does anybody know when this issue will be addressed?
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10:07<diego>hi there
10:07<diego>compiz stopped working
10:08<diego>giving a traceback all time ... something like pluginPage = = PluginPage(select,
10:08<diego>something like that in python, any ideas?
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10:09<jackyf>m_g: IMHO better send ping to bug report
10:09<themill>m_g: it's only really critical for people upgrading machines remotely who have hard-coded configs. How many people are doing that with squeeze/sid? As described in the bug report, there are work arounds that should be OK for squeeze or sid users. Expect a fix before squeeze is released, however...
10:10<m_g>themill, sorry for my ignorance.. what do you mean with hard-coded configs?
10:11<themill>m_g: if you had /etc/network/interfaces configuring eth0 etc then you'd have issues on a remote machine.
10:11<m_g>themill, i have auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static <and so on> and auto eth1 iface eth1 inet static <and so on> so i guess that's hard-coded?
10:12<themill>m_g: yeah, then you're going to have to fix the udev rule file as described in the bug report
10:12<Guest2990>Tell me please where located old images debian-500-i386-DVD-?.iso. ? At are present hashes only.I need to restore bad dvd images debian-500-i386-DVD-?.iso with rsync, like described at
10:13<tech404>I noticed that you get something different using apt-get source linux-image and apt-get install linux-source. How are they different? From what I have read online it looks as though they are typically built differently but is that it? Also is there anything that you need to do different if you are going to build the vanilla kernel for debian?
10:13<m_g>themill, thanks.. i will contact the package maintainer to see if he will provide new package soon, otherwise i'll do what you said
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10:14<themill>m_g: the udev maintainer isn't know for responsiveness to bugs in testing/unstable that are only problematic to some users and which can be worked around fairly easily.
10:16<m_g>themill, i'm a little anxious to do this fix because of reply #22 who said "it still fails on start"
10:17<corge>morning folks
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10:18<themill>m_g: are you actually affected by this problem or not then? It sounds like you're not, so be happy... or am I missing something?
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10:18<m_g>themill, if i upgrade i could because it's a remote machine :)
10:19<themill>m_g: running testing on a remote machine isn't one of the things I have high on my list of amusements
10:19<m_g>themill, yeah i know people say that and maybe i'm just lucky but in 4 years of testing on remote i never had a serious problem
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10:20<themill>I presume this isn't a publicly accessible machine then, too
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10:24<kie27>Hiya all, sound no longer working in iceweasel for me on debian-testing but was working previously and still works with xine, etc. suggestions please.
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10:37<xemacs4321>kie27, i have same problem, not solved /dev/dsp no longer exists , and kernel in having problems with version of drivers, i have not been able to fix this
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10:38<kie27>xemacs4321 thanks
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10:40<xemacs4321>kie27, Are you missing /dev/dsp also ?
10:40<kie27>ls -l /dev/dsp -> crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 3 2009-05-18 20:07 /dev/dsp
10:40<xemacs4321>kie27, check dmesg for alloc errors in kernel
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10:44<kie27>xemacs4321 no alloc errors in dmesg that i can spot
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10:45<xemacs4321>sox and vlc work on my system , other apps with sound fail for me
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10:47<kie27>xemacs4321 skype and xine work for me. vlc gives error: oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
10:48<kie27>xemacs4321 plus "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave"
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10:51<xemacs4321>kie27, i think /dev/dsp is now like /dev/cdrom , in that it makes a new dsp when 1 is needed this may be broken in squeeze, i dont kn0ow how to fix this but it is anoying
10:51<rpetre>anyone around familiar with preseeding a raid1 install? #debian-boot is quiet
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10:53<kie27>xemacs4321 yup. i have noticed that there is also a /dev/dsp1 created today slightly earlier than /dev/dsp
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10:55<xemacs4321>kie27, i am going to build a new cutsom kernel from scratch see if that helps
10:56<kie27>xemacs4321 ok.
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10:56<maher>are you having sound problems?
10:57<kie27>maher yes
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10:57<maher>kie27: what sort of problems
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10:58<kie27>maher sound no longer working in iceweasel/vlc for me on debian-testing but was working previously and still works with xine, skype etc
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10:58<maher>kie27: which kernel
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10:59<kie27>maher 2.6.26-2-686
10:59<maher>kie27: do your sound devices show up if you do aplay -l
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11:00<kie27>maher: yes, 1 device listed ( card 1: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC262 Analog [ALC262 Analog] ) i think that this is all i have on the laptop)
11:01<johnfg>Sorry I asked a question and then left. Anyone here using kerberos and ldap together?
11:02<maher>kie27: maybe some things are looking for either oss or card 0
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11:03<kie27>maher yes that is possible.
11:03<maher>kie27: what device does vlc think its talking to? ( vlc tools -> preferences -> audio)
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11:06<kie27>maher currently vlc audio output is set to "default" but i also tried ALSA and OSS, and I still get the same problem.
11:06<maher>kie27: when you set it oss does it use dsp or dsp1
11:07<kie27>maher: dsp
11:07<maher>kie27: try dsp1
11:07<kie27>maher: that fixes vlc.
11:08<maher>kie27: when you say firefox do you mean the proprietary flash plugin
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11:09<kie27>maher: i think so, was trying to play a video on youtube
11:10<maher>kie27: ok - you'll probably have to get the sound card back to number 0
11:10<maher>kie27: try alsa unload ; alsa reload
11:10<maher>kie27: and then do aplay -l again
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11:12<maher>kie27: stop everything that;s talking to the sound card or try force-unload
11:14<kie27>maher: did force unload, think volume control on panel was locking it, did reload, then aplay -l gives no soundcards found
11:15<maher>kie27: do you know the name of your sound card driver? try modprobe <name> index=0
11:16<maher>kie27: probably modprobe snd-hda-intel index=0
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11:18<kie27>maher: yes, that now lists the sound card as card 0.
11:18<Zviper>could someone help me out with x11 forwarding? i try to do gnome-session but i always get Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 0.0
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11:18<maher>kie27: see if youtube works now
11:19<maher>Zviper: do you have it turned on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
11:19<Zviper>yes i do.
11:19<Zviper>also enabled in my client.
11:20<maher>Zviper: try ssh -X -v and see if it gives you a useful error - try xload & and see if that pops up too
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11:21<Zviper>when i ru xload i get Error: Can't open display: 0.0
11:22<kie27>maher: thanks for your help, yes it is working now, and i can now fix it if i ever get this same problem, thanks.
11:22<maher>Zviper: do you get any errors from ssh -X -v
11:22<maher>kie27: do you have /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
11:22<Zviper>no it just tells me how to use ssh correctly
11:22<Zviper>usage: ssh [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxY] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec]
11:23<maher>Zviper: i meant log in with ssh -X -v name@remote
11:23<maher>kie27: you'll also have to set the vlc settings etc. back to dsp
11:24<kie27>maher: there is alsa-base.conf, oss-compat.conf but no sound.conf
11:24<kie27>maher: sure.
11:24<maher>kie27: i have a file /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf containg:
11:25<maher>alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel
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11:25<maher>options snd-hda-intel index=0
11:26<maher>this should force the card into slot 0 - dependsing on exactly what it says in alsa-base.conf
11:26<Zviper>Error: Can't open display:
11:26<maher>kie27: check you don't have any stray index=1 lines in there
11:26<Zviper>no errors when doing that ssh -x -v
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11:27<maher>Zviper: do you get a bunch of stuff like: debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
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11:27<maher>Zviper: ssh -X -v
11:27<maher>Zviper: big X
11:27<kie27>maher: the only lines in alsa.conf have index=-2 such as: options snd-intel8x0m index=-2
11:28<maher>kie27: that should all be fine
11:28<Zviper>yeah it was big x i copied and pasted it
11:28<kie27>i have added the new sound.conf file. thanks
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11:28<maher>kie27: i don't remember what's meant to make that - but something makes it
11:29<maher>Zviper: do you get a bunch of debug1: lines
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11:29<Zviper>yeah but no evident errors
11:30<maher>Zviper: can you paste them in the pastebin
11:30<kie27>maher: thanks, i have kept a copy incase it gets overwritten
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11:30<maher>kie27: alsa the people in #asla are very helpful in my experience
11:32<kie27>maher: thanks, i will ask in that channel if i need further help on this problem, but i think that you have solved it.
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11:35<maher>Zviper: can you paste your ssh line here
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11:37<Zviper>what ssh line
11:37<maher>Zviper: you should have a line: debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. - so you ssh doesn't seem to be asking for the X forwarding for some reason
11:38<maher>Zviper: the command you typed to produce the log, i.e. ssh -X ....
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11:38<Zviper>C:\Users\Master>ssh -X -v
11:38<Zviper>i was using putty before
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11:39<maher>Zviper: do you have an xserver on the windows box?
11:39<Zviper>not that i know of
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11:39<maher>Zviper: well its probably not going to work then
11:40<Zviper>which one should i get?
11:40<maher>Zviper: you need an xserver on the local machine to display the windows
11:40<koshalirod>hi mates
11:40<Zviper>yes i am aware, i am asking you which one i should download and install
11:40<maher>Zviper: dunno - in my limited experience they were all a pain in the rear, but I haven't had to use windows for a long time now
11:41<koshalirod>a have problem with one of my hard disk and i want to check them!!
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11:41<koshalirod>what i can do???
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11:42<bja>koshalirod: man fsck
11:44<paggas>could someone please explain what [debports] means in e.g.
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11:45<azeem>paggas: it means that package is hosted on not
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11:45<paggas>azeem: do i need to edit my sources.list for that?
11:46<azeem>paggas: why are you interested in m68k binaries?
11:46<azeem>I assume you don't run Debian on your Amiga?
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11:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:46<paggas>azeem: i had a bunch of installed packages which all of a sudden were removed from testing, and moved to debports for some reason
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11:47<Zviper>maher: think i've got it working, but it's slow as fuck
11:47<azeem>paggas: they were removed
11:47<azeem>paggas: they just keep on being present on debports for the m68k architecture
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11:48<paggas>azeem: ah, i see, it's starting to make sense now :)
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11:49<paggas>azeem: what is more, now these packages are set to non-automatic installation, so i have to remove them one by one
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11:53<kop>So I'm making an rrd with "rrdtool create ..." and I have a compute column and it's complaining that a constant is > 32768. I could write something like 5,32768,* to get 32768 * 5, but this sounds stupid. Is it stupid or is that the way to do it?
11:53<azeem>paggas: try deborphan or debfoster
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11:54<paggas>azeem: is there a rationale i could read about the removal of those packages?
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11:58<bja>koshalirod: How are things going?
11:59<Zviper>how can i make x11 forwarding a bit faster, it is unbearable.
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12:00<azeem>paggas: libraries get removed when they are no longer needed
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12:02<paggas>azeem: ktorrent2.2 got removed too, and it isn't a library :)
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12:04<gsimmons>paggas: WRT ktorrent2.2, see bug #522805.
12:05<cwood>Good morning. Can't find the answer on google -- what utility or step to use to determine the video codec of a random file?
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12:06<locklace>cwood: "file" is good for finding out the format of a random file
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12:07<cwood>All file tells me is asf -- but I'm interested in the codec, not the format.
12:07<bja>locklace: Saturday you mentioned a command to list regular fonts and x fonts , can you tell me them again pls
12:08<azeem>cwood: try running mplayer on it, or some other video player with verbose console output
12:08<cwood>xlsfonts ?
12:08<locklace>cwood: mplayer is pretty good at spewing lots of info
12:08<cwood>Is the information mplayer reads back accurate? Am I getting what the file says it's encoded in, or what mplayer thinks it should be using?
12:08<locklace>bja: xlsfonts and fc-list
12:08<bja>cwood: yes that was for the xfonts, I just can't remember the other one. This german is driving me crazy
12:08<bja>locklace: thx
12:09<azeem>cwood: files usually don't say what they are encoded in
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12:16<koshalirod2>hi again
12:16<koshalirod2>run the fsck and they show me this
12:17<locklace>run it on the partition, not the whole-disk device
12:17<cwood>koshalirod2: fsck is for filesystems, not disks.
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12:18<koshalirod2>for disks any program???
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12:18<locklace>smartmontools is good
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12:20<koshalirod2>thanks i will try the smartmontools
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12:23<xyem>Afternoon all
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12:35<redtape>I've just installed lenny. Would it be wise to switch to Sid? What are the advantages?
12:35<avu>!tell redtape about sid faq
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12:44<cwood>redtape: my experience was that when I was comfortable with stable and needed to crank up my skills, I switched to testing. Then, same process. Then, sid.
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12:45<redtape>cwood: ok, thanks.
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12:46<bremner>how can I tell aptitude to forget all the packages it marked for upgrade?
12:47<xyem>bremner, Ctrl + T, select 'Cancel all pending actions' IIRC
12:48<bremner>xyem: thanks, dunno how I missed that.
12:49<ml|>bremner: you can keep those at current version by.. ^-t and package hold or search for package and use =
12:51<xyem>bremner, no problem, it happens :-)
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12:52<ml|>oops, sry thought you meant something else
12:53<bremner>ml|: yeah, I knew about =, I am actually just trying to incrementally upgrade, rather than all 800M download. Thanks anyway.
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12:55<ml|>i see gl
12:56<cwood>ml|: you can apt-get --download-only upgrade and leave that running overnight to get the packages.
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12:57<cwood>Hello, m2rt
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12:58<m2rt>hey cwood
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12:58<cwood>How's it all?
12:59<pabs>bremner: debdelta-upgrade might help reduce the amount you need to download
12:59<cwood>So, update on the codec thing. Running strings on the file indicates a path to a "this is drm'ed and you can't". Heh.
13:00<ml|>cwood: i think you meant bremner, and --download-only works with aptitude too
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13:00<bremner>pabs: thanks, I'm more worried about mental bandwidth
13:00<wulfy>question: seems i decided to experiment with lvm encryped hdd (intimediate user) whats chances of removing the need for a password on it without formating and reinstalling
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13:02<xyem>wulfy, initial thoughts are to find a way to just pass the encryption passphrase automatically ( via a script or key perhaps in /boot? )
13:03<wulfy>would be nice as entering a 19 digit pass on a flakey hdd every boot is kinda tiresome lol
13:03<bja>wulfy: Wouldn't it beat the purpose of encryption?
13:04<bremner>wulfy: add a new (empty?) password?
13:04<wulfy>like i say nothing more than experimenting.... im no protecing anything simple desktop system used ffor browsing
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13:06<locklace>wulfy: you can just get rid of it altogether if you want, boot from a rescue image and recreate your filesystems
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13:07<wulfy>hmmm effort v result migh just see if a blank pw can be inputed
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13:08<locklace>wulfy: it's going to save you pain in the long run to get rid of it if you don't need it
13:08<cwood>or a password like aaa
13:08<locklace>or maybe even the short run, given how some package maintainers have been lately...
13:09<wulfy>:) when you say rescue image would the net install dvd cover it?
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13:11<locklace>probably, i think it has a rescue mode, otherwise check out or
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13:11<wulfy>appreciated nice to use a irc room that's motto isnt "RTFM!"
13:12<locklace>manuals are good too ;)
13:12*cwood likes manuals
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13:13<wulfy>time and a place i belive :)
13:13*bja finds difficult to get the manuals
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13:13<cwood>bja: apt-get install info man-db manpages
13:13<cwood>will start you off nicely
13:14<bja>cwood: Allready installed, man pages tend to be cryptic
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13:15<cwood>Really? There might be some man pages in other languages, or other tutorials available.
13:15<bja>cwood: /usr/share/doc/* is usually more in depth
13:16<wulfy>i prefair the filterd version unless i want to go really indepth
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13:18<valdyn>wulfy: passwords dont need to be entered per se
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13:18<valdyn>wulfy: they can be saved on disk
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13:19<wulfy>valdyn, could you explain that a tad please new to me
13:20<valdyn>wulfy: your disk being encrpyted needs a key or passphrase or whatever you call it to be accessed
13:20<bja>Does anyone know how to put the alt key instead of the ctr key on screen?
13:20<valdyn>wulfy: you cannot remove the need for a passphrase, but you can make the passphrase being entered automatic
13:21<wulfy>yup can load past grub without a pw
13:21<ml|>bja: i was thinking maybe A- or Mod- would work
13:21<locklace>bja: doesn't work that way
13:21<gazzu>Hello everyone. I'm having problems settingup a webmail service for my local webserver, the Idea is to setup a web-mail-localdatabase-server for local use only, Apache is allready working fine with php5, postgresql 8.3 seems to work, but I'm not so sure, postfix installed. do am I missing something?
13:21<bja>locklace: meanning
13:21<cwood>gazzu: webmail software package?
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13:22<locklace>bja: there is no "alt" at the terminal level; at best your term reinterprets "alt-x" as ESC-x for you
13:22<ml|>but in manpage see no mention of alt key
13:22<cwood>gazzu: time to crank up the debug level and read the logs to see what it tells you
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13:23<locklace>bja: so you could set the screen escape sequence to ESC-a instead of ctrl-a but that might not be a great idea
13:23<ml|>bja: you try esc like locklace mentioned
13:23<valdyn>gazzu: you miss squirrelmail or whatever web mua
13:23<valdyn>gazzu: so thats all you need
13:23<bja>locklace: so how come when I'm on a tty ctr-alt f7 takes me to the x session?
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13:24<gazzu>valdyn: I tryed roundcubemail
13:24<locklace>bja: the role of alt for linux vts is completely linux-vt-specific
13:24<valdyn>gazzu: roundcubemail is an imap client
13:24<bja>locklace: and ctr esc f7 does nothing
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13:24<valdyn>gazzu: dovecot-imapd is an imap server, postfix is not an imap server
13:25<wulfy>mta if i recall right?
13:25<gazzu>valdyn: postfix isn't imap?
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13:25<valdyn>gazzu: i dont need to repeat myself )
13:25<locklace>bja: you are dealing with different layers, console driver vs pty
13:25<gazzu>valdyn: I see
13:25<valdyn>gazzu: you need postfix, but you need an imap server too
13:25<bja>locklace: I see, any docs on this?
13:26<locklace>bja: undoubtedly
13:26<gazzu>valdyn: do you reconde someone?¡
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13:26<wulfy>thanks for the assist guys
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13:26<valdyn>gazzu: i dont know, i dont think you should even be maintaining your own mta
13:27<valdyn>gazzu: dovecot-imapd is fine
13:27<ml|>bja: is urxvt with screen working better for you?
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13:27<bja>ml|: Yes its working great although i have some problems with the bold font
13:27<gazzu>valdyn: ok, ty man, you helped me a lot.
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13:28<gazzu>cwood: ty man
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13:28<bja>ml|: Specially with links2 and aptitude
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13:28<ml|>bja: this not working URxvt*boldFont: <--- i don't use it so can't help there
13:29<bja>ml|: No its not working as I expected
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13:30<ml|>bja: oh, well glad it's working great for the most part ;)
13:32<bja>ml|: Yes its blazing fast 8)
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13:33<nilc>Question: I tried to remove and re-install package postgresql-8.3. However, I dorked it by removing a dir tree manually in the middle of the process. Now the dpkg will neither install nor remove (or purge) this package. How can I fix?
13:34<ml|>bja: you can create specific screenrc's an app or groups of apps if you like too
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13:34<cwood>nilc: perhaps force-install the package, then you can uninstall it?
13:35<ml|>and start them with screen -S name -c ~/.screenrc-name
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13:37<nilc>cwood: When I try "dpkg --force-all install postgresql-8.3_8.3.7-1_amd64.deb", it still fails
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13:38<nilc>error is "invoke-rc.d: initscript postgresql-8.3, action "stop" failed."
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13:38<locklace>nilc: easy enough to fix that, just put an "exit 0" at the beginning of it
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13:39<nilc>locklace: put "exit 0" at the beginning of where? (deb n00b here, ex-suse user)
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13:39<locklace>nilc: /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 or the "stop" section therein
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13:42<nilc>locklace: thanks a ton, that did the trick.
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13:52<bja>I know google has the greates market share ever, but well It doesn't seem to work for me, Is there anything else around besides yahoo?
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13:53<icyo>Does anyone know about a software that would let me monitor a remote computer directly from my desktop (like conky for a local computer)
13:53<chealer>bja: uh, what are you talking about?
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13:54<cwood>icyo: something snmp-based? Maybe ssh to the machine and run conky locally? Or some web-based stats software?
13:55<bja>chealer: I mean I try to look something up, and it shows tons of crap before any useful info is available
13:55<chealer>icyo: there's ksysguard
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13:56<chealer>bja: Are you talking about search engines, or what?
13:56<icyo>well i've munin running (that's great for extensive monitoring) but i'm looking for more of CPU/RAM/LOAD monitoring that I could put on my desktop of my laptop to always have an eye on servers
13:57<icyo>(i'm on gnome)
13:57<cwood>icyo: Something quick and dirty would be something logging to remote syslog, and then something grepping the logs and building trends.
13:57<bja>chealer: Yes search engines
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13:59<chealer>bja: You have a visual impairment?
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13:59<icyo>cwood: wow ok ksysguard is cool, but too much for my needs, do you know an app that would graphicly log in a remote syslog ?
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14:00<cwood>icyo: I meant that you would build it yourself. The only remote graphical trending software I know of is CA's eHealth, but that's not really Debian and is more enterprise-level.
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14:02<bja>chealer: I think that wasn't asked for. If you can't help thats ok.
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14:03<icyo>cwood: well ok any hints or documentation that you know off that could help me make this?
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14:06<cwood>icyo: start with apt-cache search monitor | grep -i monitor --- see which one you like.
14:06<cwood>Systems monitoring is a big sub-field in itself.
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14:06<ahmad>anyone awake?
14:07<cwood>ahmad: fast asleep here
14:07<TheKingsRaven>got a question about KDE4, it dosn't look like system settings is is having any affect when I change appearnce. Any advice?
14:08<chealer>bja: Hum, I am not sure about what you mean. There are other search engines than Google and Yahoo, but there must be a better channel for discussing this. There may also be a channel for people with visual impairment.
14:08<chealer>TheKingsRaven: ask #debian-kde
14:08<TheKingsRaven>oops, soory about that, I tried join kde but that didn't work
14:09<TheKingsRaven>join #debian-kde
14:09<cwood>TheKingsRaven: /join #debian-kde
14:09<TheKingsRaven>I know, typo :)
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14:09<ahmad>may I ask my question now? I want to know where to start to directly read and write on USB ports on Ubuntu
14:09<valdyn>ahmad: /j #ubuntu
14:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:10<chealer>ahmad: if you're not asking about Debian, your question would be offtopic here.
14:10<valdyn>ahmad: you cannot just write to a USB port anyway
14:11<ahmad>so let us rephrase the question, If I want to read/write on a USB port in Debian, what to do to be on the right track?
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14:11<valdyn>ahmad: why do you want to write to a USB port?
14:11<valdyn>ahmad: to what end?
14:12<ahmad>I understand it is a file at the end of the day, but when I tried browsing /dev ... umm I kinda lost my way
14:12<azeem>ahmad: that question is off-topic
14:12<bja>chealer: I repeat myself It wasn't aske for.
14:12<azeem>ahmad: USB is a protocol, not a file
14:13<icyo>cwood: thanks you I think I will go with Nagios, it seems very develop (in opposition to munin... )
14:13<ahmad>azeem , i thought that every single device is represented by a file in linux/unix
14:13<azeem>ahmad: you thought wrong
14:13<azeem>now drop it
14:13<cwood>icyo: I recall that some servers at work are monitored by nagios, it seems to work well there.
14:14<cwood>As always, irc advice is worth what you pay for it. ;)
14:14*xyem is tempted to run Debian Sid
14:14<icyo>How could I make a shortcut that launch an ssh session and automatically launch a command on the remote computer?
14:15<stroyan>Try it, xyem, what could it hurt? ....
14:15<ahmad>azeem, how about serial ports, in case I want to write my own data acquisition application, where to start?
14:15<chealer>bja: Sorry, I do not understand your question, and can not help you. Maybe someone else can help you, or you could precise your question.
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14:15<xyem>stroyan, my sanity perhaps.. if I knew where it was :-)
14:16<azeem>ahmad: it's off topic here
14:16<azeem>ahmad: get a book about hardware programming or something
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14:16<cwood>icyo: put your ssh command in a shell script. Read 'man ssh' and 'man bash' for more.
14:16<azeem>or a terminal app that talks serial
14:16<cwood>icyo: then add a desktop shortcut that launches the shell script.
14:16<icyo>(ho that was so obvious... sorry)
14:16<xyem>I broke the front USB port on my laptop on Friday :-(
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14:17<xyem>Linux can see devices being plugged in and such, but they fail to operate now
14:17<xyem>So sad
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14:26<ruben>How could I uswe ffmpeg to extract a rrame every 0.04 seconds?
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14:31<xyem>ruben, ..isn't that just extracting every frame?
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14:31<ruben>Any other method would be fine
14:32<ruben>I just happen to know ffmpeg can extract frames
14:32<xyem>This any use?
14:33<ruben>I believe that would do 1 frame every second
14:33<ruben>I tried changing the "1" to "0.04", but that didn't work
14:33<xyem>Drop the -r flag perhaps?
14:34<ruben>I'll try
14:34<ruben>One mo
14:34<ruben>Ok, it's doing something
14:35<ruben>'Tis encoding, as it were
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14:35<ruben>I think this might have worked, I'm at over 100 frames now
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14:35*xyem thumbs up
14:36<ruben>This is gonna take up some hdd space, no?
14:36<xyem>I would imagine so
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14:36<xyem>Depends how long the movie is, resolution etc.
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14:36<ruben>Well, this is 5 mins
14:37<stuckey>Hello. When I run "m-a a-i nvidia" it tells me that the build faild and that perhaps I should add something to my apt sources list; I added the sid repository with contrib and non-free enabled.
14:37<ruben>I think I will stop it there
14:37<alemani>hello I can use some help here :) I installed the nvidia drivers the debian way all went well except that when I restarted X
14:37<alemani>KDM was there but mouse an keybo were gone
14:38<stuckey>alemani: what's the problem?
14:38<stuckey>alemani: post your x org file to
14:38<ruben>Trying to make X work is not fun
14:38<stuckey>It's usually quite easy.
14:38<ruben>I had no fun
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14:38<ruben>It took me weeks
14:38<alemani>so I use the reset button and there was no KDM instead I was presented with the text login form
14:39<alemani>stuckey: un momento por favor / hold a sec please
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14:40<xyem>ruben, did it do what you want?
14:40<locklace>stuckey: so you want to upgrade to sid?
14:40<ruben>I think so
14:41<stuckey>locklace: I have the 9800gt card and there isn't a driver for it in lenny.
14:41<stuckey>locklace: unfortunately
14:41<ruben>Will the xfs filesystem load the pics any quicker?
14:42<ruben>Yes, it did
14:42<ruben>Thank you
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14:43<xyem>ruben, awesome :-)
14:43<locklace>stuckey: if you do an update and an upgrade in that state, you will come out running sid.
14:43<ruben>But would having an xfs partition make the pic loading faster?
14:43<stuckey>locklace: I only added the deb-src lines.
14:43<stuckey>locklace: So what do you recommend I do?
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14:44<locklace>find someone else who's using your card and can direct you, ideally
14:45<stuckey>I've done this before, and someone told me to add the sid repository in my soruces and use m-a a-i nvidia. But that didn't work this time.
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14:48<alemani>stuckey: I end up whit this one after following debian's wiki about nvidia driver... of course it's missing sections related to mouse and keybo but I though they werent neccesary and I rename xorg.conf to this trying to make it work...
14:49<stuckey>alemani: ?
14:49<stuckey>alemani: No, you need to reconfigure your xorg.conf file.
14:50<alemani>dpkg-reconfigur xserver-xorg ?
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14:50<ruben>More ffmpeg questions now
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14:50<stuckey>alemani: Write this down: 1)Press ALT+F6, and login. 2) Type /etc/init.d/gdm stop (I'm assuming that you use the gdm login manager), 3)become root, 4)type 'X -configure', 5) copy the file it says to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
14:50<stuckey>So far so good?
14:50<ruben>Can ffmpeg decode 3gp files, and can I make it encode to wmv?
14:51<alemani>stuckey: I am on it
14:51<stuckey>alemani: thereafter, you'll need to update the video driver section to say "nvidia" instead of "nv".
14:51<stuckey>alemani: To get back to gdm you'll need to give /etc/init.d/gdm start
14:52<stuckey>alemani: Don't forget that last step, that one is important.
14:52<stuckey>alemani: If you get stuck out of X, you can use the program "irssi" to talk to someone in irc chat.
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14:52<timo1teo>good afternoon guys
14:52<alemani>stuckey: yep I am on irssi r'now
14:52<stuckey>alemani: good
14:54<timo1teo>quick question, I've customized a debian OS and I want to burn the OS to a disk image that can be bootable on the same exact machine. I know there's a program for it but the name of it has slipped my mind. Anyone happen to know?
14:54<alemani>stuckey: after executing 'X- configure' I got the message: "...command not found"
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14:54<alemani>*X -configure
14:55<locklace>timo1teo: bootcd?
14:55<stuckey>alemani: it's 'X -configure' not "X- configure"
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14:56<alemani>stuckey: yep I corrected myself on the last line LOL I got it right on the shell still no luck
14:56<stuckey>alemani: are you root?
14:56<stuckey>Are you making the X uppercase?
14:57<alemani>stuckey: yep
14:57<stuckey>Then I have no idea
14:57<stuckey>You're missing something
14:57<stuckey>Try to think what it is.
14:57<ruben>See, i told you
14:57<ruben>Configuring x is fun
14:58<alemani>ruben: yeah it's fun until you hav to think what went wrong ...
14:58<stuckey>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source <--- FAIL. Why?
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14:58<xyem>ruben, apparently so:
14:58<stuckey>alemani: you're using stable?
14:59<alemani>stuckey: no, Sid
14:59<stuckey>alemani: you don't need to use sid
14:59<stuckey>This is just a bad idea.
14:59<alemani>the module compilation went well
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14:59<timo1teo>locklace: well what we're doing is trying to create a live bootable cd from a customized debian install we have on one of the hd's on a machine in a lab. We want to boot from the cd drive using this specific os on all of the computers in the lab. (they're all the same machine.)
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15:00<xyem>timo1teo, does this describe what you are looking for:
15:00<alemani>stuckey: why not use Sid I been using it the last 3 years and using the nvidia drivr from $nvidia$ but I got tire of building the module after every kernel upgrade
15:00<alemani>so I am trying the debian way
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15:01<locklace>timo1teo: so the bootcd package does or doesn't do it for you?
15:01<stuckey>alemani: I'm not an expert on sid, perhaps you should ask someone else.
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15:02<alemani>oooh damm this new keybo is not good for me I miss a lot of letters lol
15:02<alemani>stuckey: thanks
15:02<chealer>!tell stuckey about vagueness
15:02<ml|>alemani: have you read the wiki page on nvidia
15:02<stuckey>!tell chealer about ambiguity
15:02<alemani>ml|: you mean on ?
15:02<alemani>or the debian's one ?
15:02<timo1teo>locklace: ah I see what you mean, i must have searched it wrong at first
15:03<ml|>dpkg: tell alemani about nvidia
15:03<timo1teo>thank you
15:03<stuckey>chealer: Do you know why m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source fails on my computer?
15:03<alemani>ml|: yes I have read tha one
15:03<ml|>oh k
15:04<chealer>stuckey: sorry, my crystal ball doesn't feel like telling me how your command is failing today.
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15:04<stuckey>chealer: It isn't my command, I got it from the DebianNvidia wiki.
15:04<alemani>ml|: I followed the instrucctions and everything went well until I restarted X
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15:04<stuckey>alemani: You're going to have to re-configure X to include something about a mouse and a keyboard, at least.
15:05<stuckey>alemani: and if "X -configure" doesn't work, something could be wrong.
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15:05<chealer>stuckey: oh well. I can't convince my crystal ball even with that.
15:05<alemani>stuckey: ok
15:05<stuckey>chealer: dpkg should be updated with a better definition of vaguness
15:06<chealer>stuckey: probably
15:06<ml|>alemani: did you try nvidia-xconfig
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15:07<alemani>ml|: yes
15:07<alemani>but it didn't work...
15:08<alemani>I mean it creates the new xorg.conf file
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15:08<alemani>but I still cnat get X :(
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15:08<stuckey>Who updates dpkg?
15:09*alemani hates this bloddy keybo :s
15:09<stuckey>Can I do it?
15:09<ml|>alemani: X doesn't start?
15:10<alemani>ml|: no
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15:11<ml|>alemani: why not start over maybe you overlooked somthing, or it's something to do with sid
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15:12<chealer>!tell stuckey about help corrections
15:14<stuckey>It isn't listening to me.
15:14<stuckey>Even though it said okay
15:14<alemani>ml|: it seems that I found it... since the setup of nvidia a la debian the '-legacy-9something' remove xorg package and several others related to X it seems that reainstalling will work but it's removinf the nvidia legacy package so they are mutual exclusive oooh crap!!!
15:15<stuckey>ah there it goes.
15:15<stuckey>!tell chealer about vagueness
15:15<stuckey>Much better, nah?
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15:16<dpkg>vagueness is, like, something which occurs when there are borderline cases for the application of a term you've used. Is also makes the baby penguins cry.
15:16<chealer>stuckey: not much
15:16<alemani>chealer: much better, but I love the jesus reference more
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15:17<ml|>alemani: so X is working?
15:18<dpkg>[vagueness] something which occurs when there are borderline cases for the application of a term you've used. For example, the term "middle-aged" is vague. Vagueness also makes the baby penguins cry.
15:19<alemani>ml|: it's now well sort of... KDM shows up but after KDE starts to load it just return to KDM will check logs
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15:19<ml|>alemani: did you try nvidia-xconfig again?
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15:20<ml|>if not try it that might help
15:20<chealer>stuckey: terms aren't really vague by themselves. it's their usage trying to express more than they do express which is vague.
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15:20<stuckey>chealer: you can say that a term is vague, there's nothing wrong with that.
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15:21<stuckey>chealer: But I think your point is self-apparent...
15:21<stuckey>You know, if someone had already defined "middle-aged" then we wouldn't call their use vague.
15:21<alemani>ml|: nop I did X -configure since it was removed...
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15:21<stuckey>*it's use.
15:23<ml|>alemani: once you get X working do 'su -c nvidia-settings' and select the settings appropriate for the monitor and Save to X Configuration File
15:23<stuckey>Anyone here good with nvidia drivers/
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15:27<chealer>stuckey: that's rarely the kind of vagueness that's problematic on #debian
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15:28<stuckey>I was more specific earlier...
15:28<alemani>ml|: I guess the problem is related to the model of my card since its a legacy one and apparently Xorg and the legacy packages cant be installed together... well you get the picture
15:28<stuckey>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source <--- FAIL. Why?
15:29<azeem>stuckey: as usual, pastebin the command along with the full output
15:29<alemani>I better stay with nvidia *coof* closed drivers *coof*
15:29<azeem>stuckey: you aren't new here are you?
15:29<chealer>stuckey: if you don't mind, how old are you?
15:29<stuckey>I'm twenty-three
15:29<stuckey>azeem: No I join this channel quite often when I break something
15:29<stuckey>How old are you chealer
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15:30<dyellen>ana maria
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15:30<enehme>4ef40000 1183296K rwx-- [ anon ]
15:30<enehme>what would this mean please????
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15:31<dpkg>[vagueness] something which occurs when there are borderline cases for the application of a term you've used. For example, the term "middle-aged" is vague. Vagueness also makes the baby penguins cry.
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15:31<azeem>stuckey: I thought so, you still seem to miss the basic error-reporting 101 though
15:31<azeem>stuckey: having to teach you how to you pastebin every time becomes tedious
15:32<stuckey>azeem: i don't have a pastebin... it's an output in m-a. It' just a blue screen I see
15:32<stuckey>I can't copy it.
15:32<azeem>a blue screen?
15:32<stuckey>It's moduleassistant
15:32<azeem>isn't that text-based?
15:32<stuckey>I'll try again
15:32<ml|>enehme: where you trying to change permissions on a file or dir?
15:32<azeem>see whether you get a logfile or something
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15:33<chealer>stuckey: I'm twenty-three
15:33<stuckey>Cool, we're the same age.
15:34<azeem>21:31 < azeem> see whether you get a logfile or something
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15:34<stuckey>in /var/log?
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15:35<stuckey>I don't see anything in /var/log/RTFM
15:35<dpkg>from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
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15:36<stuckey>azeem: no logs
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15:37<chealer>Using sentences might be a good start to achieve more clarity.
15:37<stuckey>There exist no logs, which I have found, that relate to the error in question.
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15:38<chealer>stuckey: the command fails because "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed"
15:38<stuckey>chealer: I installed that package.
15:38<stuckey>I built it from source from sid.
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15:39<enehme>If a file system is mounted read/write, but rm says Read-only file system, is there any recourse to delete the files?
15:39<chealer>stuckey: uh. nvidia-kernel-source is a "source" package. Why did you build that from source?
15:39<stuckey>wait no that was nvidia-kernel-common
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15:40<stuckey>chealer: I don't know, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just following this wiki:
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15:40<stuckey>chealer: and step 2 fails.
15:40<chealer>enehme: then the file system is not actually mounted read/write when you're trying to perform the removal.
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15:41<chealer>stuckey: well, that wiki doesn't tell you about building nvidia-kernel-source from source (nor nvidia-kernel-common).
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15:41<simonrvn>enehme: you have deeper issues, check your system logs
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15:42<ml|>and select the settings appropriate for the monitor and Save to X Configuration File
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15:43<ml|>oops sry
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15:43<xyem>It's time to go unstable!
15:43<bja>stuckey: nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` download all that and isntall them from tty with gdm stopped, works 99.9% of the times
15:43<xyem>Unstable powers, GO!
15:44<bja>stuckey: The building of the kernel module is automatic. don't forget module-assistant, it makes things easier
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15:44<chealer>xyem: we don't need to know before you install or upgrade a system.
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15:45<xyem>chealer, but I like announcing such things :-(
15:45<dyellen>tayna gostosa
15:45<chealer>xyem: well, maybe your blog would be a better place. I'm not interested in reading it.
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15:46<xyem>chealer, I thought IRC had a method of dealing with such things?
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15:47<chealer>bja: There is no need to do that from tty with gdm stopped. And even if you'd do it that way, it won't work 99.9% of the time.
15:47<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
15:48<chealer>xyem: there are over 400 users here. the solution is your blog.
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15:48<xyem>chealer, I don't have one
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15:49<chealer>xyem: you're lucky, there are free blog engines these days.
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15:50<xyem>chealer, as I am aware
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15:53<bja>chealer: sorry forgot ultra new hw and ultra old hw
15:53<xyem>chealer, it could be worse. It could be off-topic :-)
15:53<stuckey>chealer: why do I need to build source from source?
15:53<stuckey>chealer: I already did kernel-common
15:53<stuckey>bja: I have to get this from sid as my card is only supported by newer version of the driver which are in sid.
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15:57<stuckey>I just needed to install source before doing module-assistant. Figured it out.
15:58<xyem>stuckey, nicely done
15:58<stuckey>i'm learning
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15:59<xyem>stuckey, personally, I've just decided to run Sid
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15:59<stuckey>You also have a newer card?
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15:59<xyem>stuckey, see how it goes. It it borks often or starts lagging behind.. I'll probably drift off and try some other distro's
16:00<stuckey>Why run sid? Isn't that a bit, I don't know, unstable?
16:00<xyem>stuckey, or maybe Ubuntu if they got their act together *coughsplutterdie*
16:00<xyem>stuckey, yes, but it means my hardware will work :-)
16:00<stuckey>xyem: you can just do what I do, and then have the best of both.
16:00<stuckey>I'm running stable with nvidia drivers.
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16:01<farber>did someone knows how to display only one subfolder of many subfolder in the same subirectory?
16:01<stuckey>chealer: Since I've built all of these packages from source from Sid for lenny, could I "backport" them so that it will be easier for others to use them?
16:01<patrikf>farber: define display?
16:01<stuckey>Is that what backport is for?
16:01<farber>if i make ls -1 it displays me all subdirs but i just want only display one of all
16:01<stuckey>farber: Yes
16:02<stuckey>*and you mean "does someone"
16:02<patrikf>farber: if you know the name of the subdir, why use ls?
16:02<farber>i dont know the subname
16:02<xyem>stuckey, I need packages from unstable for my wireless too ( like new kernel and the newer firmware-iwlwifi )
16:02<stuckey>xyem: I keep away from wireless as if it were the plague.
16:03<xyem>stuckey, I don't have a choice.. it's the only way I can access the network at home
16:03<stuckey>run wire
16:03<xyem>stuckey, rented, so I can't run a wire
16:03<farber>from your neighbourhood ?
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16:04<xyem>stuckey, I know.. I hate wireless
16:04<patrikf>xyem: is it that complicated to run wire? or is this the wonders of US laws, not being allowed to make minor modifications to your flat?
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16:05<farber>how to show only on folder of 10folders ?
16:05<farber>*one folder
16:06<diego>hi, I have this problem .. Xorg will take 100% of my cpu for about anything
16:06<xyem>patrikf, the wonder of UK law.. you have to get permission from the landlord
16:06<diego>for instance, if I enter to a webpage with an animated gif as background
16:06<diego>it will take 100%
16:06<farber>wht about that ?
16:07<locklace>xyem: you don't need to move to unstable just to use a recent kernel
16:07<elashish>does anyone know if google supports linux yet for video chat and what's the best way to access it?
16:07<elashish>it seems not to like firefox rebrands...
16:08<farber>did no one knows how to show only one folder with ls or so `?
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16:09<xyem>farber, "ls | head -n1" ?
16:09<farber>wow i looking about one our todo that
16:09<farber>thank you very much
16:10<farber>i did not knows head before
16:10<stuckey>You didn't *know about*
16:10<farber>linux is so fantastico
16:10<xyem>locklace, I know I can but when I tried last night, I had problems getting the nVidia driver to compile.. thought I might have better luck just running Sid :-)
16:10<stuckey>xyem: I was sucessfull
16:11<farber>whats ur problem xyem ?
16:11<farber>or topic
16:11<xyem>farber, I was stuck at work today trying to do a task because I hadn't brought my laptop in which lets me do a whole load of work in one command
16:11<xyem>stuckey, was you using stable kernel?
16:12<xyem>stuckey, err.. were*
16:12<stuckey>I am.
16:12<xyem>stuckey, I'm not, I was using unstable kernel
16:12<stuckey>you're missing out
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16:12<diego>can someone help me with that ... my computer is really slow
16:13<diego>xorg will take 100% of the cpu for anything
16:13<diego>rendering an image, opening a window
16:13<diego>anything takes 100% :(
16:13<xyem>diego, what WM are you using?
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16:13<xyem>diego, I found when using Matchbox, some things would cause X to hog CPU which didn't happen with other WMs
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16:14<diego>any idea with gnome-metacity ... ?
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16:15<xyem>diego, no, sorry
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16:16<locklace>xyem: i'd recommend you get help with the nvidia driver rather than migrate to sid
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16:17<xyem>locklace, the logs didn't show any errors, the .ko however didn't exist
16:19<xyem>locklace, the thing that preys on my mind about Debian is that, from what I saw, testing becomes just as old as stable when a release is close
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16:22<xyem>locklace, I'm a centre case.. I don't want to be on the bleeding edge, but I'll accept a degree of instability to be "recent"
16:23<xyem>locklace, I have no problem working on something to get it functional, but I don't want to not know what I am doing
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16:23<xyem>locklace, if that makes any sense?
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16:35<crowkrypt>no se puede conectra con otra debvian
16:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:46<oerdt>Hi everyone.
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16:46<panos>hallo, I get the following error msg repeated many times from grub "error: no such partition"
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16:47<kristianpaul>there is a video about how debian project works?
16:47<oerdt>I can't find out where we can configure wheter apt should download all the sources at once or every pdiffs generated since the last one I updated. Can anyone help me to find it out ?
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16:50<patrikf>panos: did you change something with your /boot partition?
16:50<patrikf>if so, just reinstall grub
16:51<panos>not really. I did that. But still get the same error and the boot menu does not seem to be updated
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16:51<patrikf>panos: oh, so you actually get a boot menu?
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16:53<panos>yes. it includes linux and windows. It just ignores the BSD and Opensolaris entries
16:53<panos>and also gives that error message
16:53<SQlvpapir>what is holding the devs back from going to pulseaudio?
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17:14<firefox>Anyone know how to prevent synergyc ( the client app ) from stealing focus when you goto the server? All the google info is for windows servers. I am trying to play a game on the linux comp and I cant run it fullscreen.
17:14<firefox>the linux comp is the client btw.
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17:27<oerdt>Nobody knows for my pdiff/apt configuration question ?
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17:30<oerdt>didn't find anything either un the man of apt.conf, apt_preferences or sources.list :/
17:31<oerdt>Urg, got it at last :
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17:32<oerdt>Maybe it's me, but I think the documentation on this part could be bettter.
17:32<magyar>hi, i keep getting this error from apt >>
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17:34<antonio2>magyar: stable/unstable/testing?
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17:34<magyar>antonio2: sid
17:34<magyar>i don't think testing had 2.6.29
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17:36<BloodyMary>is there any way to start apps after login?
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17:37<antonio2>BloodyMary: gnome-session-manager
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17:37<BloodyMary>oh and is there any other way?
17:37<xyem>magyar, testing only has 2.6.26
17:38<cwood>BloodyMary: check into your .xinitrc and .xsession and what they do for you.
17:38<BloodyMary>but i need gnome loaded too
17:38<cwood>BloodyMary: I have any number of apps started in my .xsession, then have my session manager at the end of it.
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17:40<BloodyMary>can i c that?
17:40<BloodyMary>an example
17:40<antonio2>magyar: can't find any bug in or
17:41<shadouts>any packages for debian that can turn a computer with a wifi card into a wifi router? non adhoc. what would something like that be called?
17:41<cwood>BloodyMary: one sec
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17:42<BloodyMary>oh ty a lot :)
17:42<xyem>shadouts, you would need a wireless card that supports 'Master' mode
17:43<xyem>shadouts, from what I understand, these are a rare find..
17:44<shadouts>xyem: now is this something that is built into linux? setting the mode as master?
17:44<xyem>shadouts, I think you do it through iwconfig
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17:48<BloodyMary>where is xsession can't find it hehe
17:49<xyem>BloodyMary, "ls -la ~ | grep xsession"
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17:49<xyem>BloodyMary, it is in your home directory, named '.xsession'
17:49<BloodyMary>it says there's not
17:50<antonio2>create it :D
17:50<antonio2>or use .xinitrc
17:50<antonio2>IMHO the best thing is to use the session manager of your WM
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17:51<BloodyMary>and can i set up apps at start up there?
17:51<xyem>antonio2, I didn't realise WMs had session managers. I thought they were in the domain of DEs
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17:52<antonio2>ok that's what I meant :D
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17:53<xyem>antonio2, :-)
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17:56<xyem>Hey artbi
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17:56<artbi>anyone know, is there polish channel for debian?
17:56<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
17:57<artbi>ouk, fenx
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18:03<avtobiff>i encountered a problem with X today. i have a macbook 2,1 (white one) with an intel gfx, using slim and wmii. when i log in via the dm the wm doesn't start. if i run startx, no problem. i have looked in logs for Xorg, slim and xdm without finding anything. (i tried with xdm, thinking that slim might have issues.)
18:04<avtobiff>i see error lines in Xorg log when trying to login with slim but not with xdm. they seem to be associated with mouse though, complaining about appletouch and xf86Serial something
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18:06<bighornram>Hello, anyone else have PSI break today on upgrade?
18:06<bighornram>in squeeze?
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18:19<user01>when i run the network manager in gnome it says the platform im running is not supported by this tool
18:19<user01>but it lets me select lenny
18:20<azeem>user01: what is "it"?
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18:21<user01>azeem network settings in gnome
18:22<user01>the antecedent of it was network manager
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18:24<user01>must be gnome-network-admin
18:25<azeem>I suggest using network-manager instead
18:26<user01>eh nope that is what it is gksu network-admin
18:27<user01>network-admin says that
18:28<azeem>what are you trying to do?
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18:28<user01>stop from having to enter debian lenny everytime i start it
18:29<azeem>why do you start it?
18:29<user01>to change the wireless network
18:29<azeem>why don't you use network-manager for that?
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18:34<arw>anybody knows the name of the tool to get hole site from console?
18:34<deniz>ml|, all went well (sorry dint come yesterday)
18:35<deniz>does anyone if it's possible to request a package to be added to debian?
18:35<deniz>like a program
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18:35<bja>arw: man wget
18:36<bremner>deniz: the best way is to file a "request for package bug"
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18:36<arw>thank you bja, i am just reading it
18:36<bremner>deniz: reportbug wnpp, and then choose "RFP"
18:36<bja>arw: Just ask je je :)
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18:37<deniz>bremner, wats a wnpp report?
18:38<bremner>deniz: at the command prompt (in a terminal), type "reportbug wnpp"
18:38<deniz>well i did reportbug then wnpp as "program"
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18:39<PicheLux>Helo, How to auth user's via telnet, for do not send spam ?
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18:39<antonio2>wnpp = work needing and prospective packages
18:39<deniz>bremner, but id just like to know, wat does wnpp actually mean?
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18:40<antonio2> has a nice and formatted list of what is in there at the moment :D
18:40<bja>msg dpkg flashplayer
18:40<antonio2>RFP = request for package, RFH = reuqest for help, RFA = request for adoption, and so on
18:40<bremner>deniz: something like work needed packages
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18:40<antonio2>in your case you have the choice to ask someone to add the package (filling a RFP) or to do it yourself (filling an ITP = intention to package)
18:41<antonio2>otherwise who will create teh package will rename the RFP to an ITP and will assign himself as the owner
18:41<antonio2>I hope it's clear :-)
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18:42<bremner>to be honest, if you are filing your first request for a package, packaging yourself is probably a challenge
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18:42<bremner>s/ing y/ing it y/
18:43<antonio2>yes, it is :D
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18:43<antonio2>but it can probably help to understand how the process works :-)
18:44<deniz>bremner, k, thanks, this requesting packages feature is very useful :)
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18:54<Manoj`>so, if transitive WoT of gpg is dead, can we still trust in a direct signature made by a DD?
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18:54<Manoj`>(BTW, if anyone here in the DC area, I am free tomorrow night for keysigning
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18:55<cockroach>hey. on my machine sysrq+b doesn't seem to work (all other sysrq combinations i tried *do* work though). does that one need to be explicitly enabled anywhere?
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18:56<H2O2>òóò ïî ðóññêè êòî-íèáóäü ïîíèìàåò?
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19:13<deniz>When I try to request a package to be added to repositories i get error:
19:15<antonio2>do you want to add the package yourself or do you want someone from debian to add it?
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19:15<antonio2>obviously you have to edit all the fields from the template :D
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19:16<antonio2>have a look at the existing RFP from
19:16<antonio2>going to bed now
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19:18<bremner>deniz: you need to choose RFP (for someone else to package) and also fill in the fields like license and home page
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19:20<deniz>bremner, i did, ill pastebin wat i did wait
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19:25<bremner>hmm. the formatting looks funny. Let me fire up reportbug
19:26<bremner>deniz: you seem to have duplicated a bunch of the lines? try not to mess up the formatting so much
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19:27<deniz>bremner, ya i did cuz i thot i had to put it in a specific place but, what's missing?
19:28<ml|>deniz: great :) so now you know right?
19:29<spydergt>hey i need help on a problem can some1 please help ?
19:29<ml|>deniz: tell spydergt about ask
19:30<ml|>dpkg: tell spydergt about ask
19:30<spydergt>yes plz do tell
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19:30<bremner>deniz: just kindof fill in the blanks, it is gettting confused by the blank line
19:30<deniz>bremner, can you define "blank" please?
19:31<spydergt>im running bt4 beta and im trying to install to hdd , ive followed the .pdf to the letter while modding it to fit my requirements ,
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19:31<spydergt>i get stuck at the lilo -v
19:31<spydergt>when i run that to have it install to my hdd , it gives me an error "Fatal: open /dev/sdc: Read-only file system"
19:32<spydergt>it also attempts to tell me a solution "Cannot proceed. Maybe you need to add this to your lilo.conf:
19:32<spydergt> disk=/dev/sdc inaccessible
19:32<sney>/dev/sdc is probably your cd-rom drive
19:32<spydergt>did that , and it still did the same error ,
19:32<sney>try sda
19:32<spydergt>yes it is ,
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19:32<bremner>deniz: leave the stuff on the left of the :'s alone, and edit the stuff on the right in place
19:32<spydergt>i did hda , hda1 is the boot hda2 is swap hda3 is root
19:33<sney>ok, but you're trying to install lilo to /dev/sdc?
19:33<spydergt>no im not ,
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19:33<spydergt>im trying to install lilo to my internal hdd
19:33<sney>lilo shouldn't say anything about a drive you're not trying to use with it
19:33<deniz>bremner, you mean make them touch the column?
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19:34<spydergt>yea thats what i was thinking , i am on a boot cd at the moment , but i chroot to /mnt/bt/
19:34<bremner>deniz: no, that shouldn't be necessary, or desirable.
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19:35<deniz>bremner, so then what?? (must i put back the *'s i removed?
19:35<themill>Manoj`: is there a policy for the kernel team's naming of the kernel packages on The packages seem to change name every few months which breaks the judd-bot's update scripts.
19:35<spydergt>any idea's
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19:35<deniz>bremner, could u edit the pastebin and send it back just this time so that I can know how to do it from now on?
19:36<bremner>deniz: before Programming Lang: (C, C++, C#, Perl, Python, etc.) after: Programming Lang: Python On exactly the same line.
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19:36<spydergt>and nothing ......looks like im gonna have to keep searching
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19:40<deniz>bremner, i dont see what you changed
19:40<bremner>deniz: I deleted the extra lines you had before
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19:40<deniz>bremner, o i already did that and still have problems
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19:41<deen>I was wondering how i can run a simple ls and uname -a via html
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19:43<duraperidol>html is not executable
19:43<duraperidol>it is a markup language
19:43<duraperidol>you could use php or perl
19:43<duraperidol>which is executable
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19:57<deniz>bremner, im still lost :(
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20:01<bremner>deniz: what is the error message?
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20:03<sney>it is really amazing to me, all these kids trying to use bt4 and similar "hacker" distributions with only a very vague idea of how to install it, or configure X, or any other basic stuff like that
20:03<sney>how can you be a hacker if you can't even configure your system
20:03<sney>the backtrack faq should have a "dear n00bs" section
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20:04<sney>and, to keep this from being too off-topic, our dear dpkg bot should have a "if you need this much help with installing bt4, you probably shouldn't be using it" response to a !h4x0r or similar query
20:04<adb>sney: ot here go #debian-offtopic
20:04<sney>I qualified!
20:04<sney>and I'm done, anyway
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20:25<deniz>bremner, "ERROR: you have composed an ITP with fields unchanged from the template"
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20:32<bremner>deniz: get rid of (include long description here)
20:33<deniz>bremner, (still same problem)
20:35<bremner>deniz: Get rid of (C, C++, C#, Perl, Python, etc.)
20:35<deniz>bremner, you told me to add that b4
20:36<deniz>bremner, o now it works
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20:38<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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21:11<dpkg><rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there
21:11<dpkg>[zen of unix processes] <teledyn> wait, if false runs and fails as its supposed to, doesn't that mean it succeeded?
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21:34<ootput>adama26: bored?
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21:47<tesla04>Hi, how can i turn off back light of the monitor ?
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21:49<bja>tesla04: It should turn off after some time with the screensaver, but I can't tell you much mor
21:50-!-bja [] has left #debian [And off to work we go]
21:51<tesla04>well with lenny the screen become black but the back light is still on, i would like to turn off the back light...
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21:52<ed_debian>How do I find the id of a process if I have it's name? (i.e. pid of b43)
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21:54<ed_debian>ah hah! Thank you abrotman
21:54<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
21:54<abrotman>like `pidof init`
21:54<ed_debian>no no pidof worked
21:54<tesla04>ed_debian, ps ax | grep b43
21:55<abrotman>tesla04: try pidof
21:55<ed_debian>how can I tell the current nice value of b43? (pid = 2508)
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21:56<tesla04>ed_debian, ps aux | grep b43
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21:57<ed_debian>tesla04, I don't think that gives me the nice value
21:57<tesla04>ed_debian, that true.. sorry..
21:57<ed_debian>tesla04, That ok
21:57<ed_debian>I just reniced it without worrying what it's value was
21:58<abrotman>unless you've changed it, there's a default nice value
21:58<Kvant>try ps alx
21:58<ed_debian>Kvant, That did it!
21:58<ed_debian>Thanks everybody Debian rocks!
21:59<tesla04>ed_debian, linux rocks !
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21:59<tesla04>and POSIX rocks to...
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22:16<rodrigo_>hey any torrent client you recommend me for debian lenny?
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22:17<gdfs>can be found at
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22:18<jas>transmission? rodrigo_
22:19<jas>can be found by apt-cache :P
22:20<ml|>rodrigo_: rtorrent
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22:20<jas>ml|: !!!!
22:20<ml|>jas: ?
22:20<jas>ciao :D
22:20<ml|>oh hi
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22:23<gdfs>who use Debian in laptop?
22:24<jas>is better to have, in a eee-pc, debian installed in the ssd or just to use a live distro on a usb pendrive?
22:24<Hideo>better is subjective
22:25<rodrigo_>depends what are you want it for
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22:25<rodrigo_>but i would go for the ssd
22:25<jas>lol right, sorry, rhetorical question :P
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22:26<jas>yes ssd is the way
22:26<jas>pure debian is the way :D
22:26<Hideo>also depends on how much space your ssd has and how much of debian you're planning to install
22:26<rodrigo_>is use windows xp for gamming tho
22:27<Hideo>ie. your preference in a wm
22:27<jas>winxp in a ee-pc? :O u insane?
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22:27<jas>gaming? ... omg
22:28<rodrigo_>lol never said i had an eee just a lap
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22:29<jas>ok ... but u use winxp .... :P redeems you :P
22:30<jas>what is your question about bebian on laptop?
22:30<jas>*debian :P
22:30<rodrigo_>me? none i was just asking about torrent client for deb lenny
22:31<rodrigo_>but already downloaded transmission so im fine
22:31<rodrigo_>does anyone use conky?
22:31<Hideo>I used to
22:32<rodrigo_>is usefull at all? or just desktop forniture
22:32<Hideo>it was desktop eye candy, I found that I didn't really have a need for it
22:32<ml|>rodrigo_: it can be useful, if you system info on your desktop
22:33<SQlvpapir>useless to me.. but funky for showoff
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22:35<ml|>i stopped using it, i get basic info in status bar
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22:37<jas>There is a vast difference between knowledge and expertise. Eric Steven Raymond
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22:38<jas>o.O ops sorry xchat :P
22:38<ml|>!lart jas
22:38*dpkg whacks jas with the cluebat
22:39<jas>lol .. ? cluebat? asd
22:39<ml|>dunno ask dpkg
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22:40<jas>how to do?
22:41-!-mode/#debian [+l 381] by debhelper
22:41<ml|>jas: just jk dpkg is a bot ;)
22:41<jas>but ... lol
22:41<jas>i know is a bot lol
22:41<jas>my question is, how to use dpkg in query window?
22:42<jas> /help ?
22:42<ml|>jas: /msg dpkg
22:42<ml|>dpkg: tell jas aboy dpkgbot
22:43<ml|>dpkg: tell jas about dpkgbot
22:43<ml|>typo ;P
22:43<jas>ahahhaha great! thanks
22:44<jas>can i use dpkgbot for myself?
22:45<jas>is a gpl appliction ... yes :P i mean, use by me, in local :P
22:47<ml|>jas: dunno about that, maybe ask in #oftc
22:49<jas>what is oftc?
22:49<abrotman>jas: yes, you can
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22:50<jas>obviously :P
22:50<dpkg>Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See for more. NOTE: <Blootbot> (fork of infobot) has now replaced infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old.
22:50<jas>.lart spam
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22:51<jas>!lart spam
22:51*dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u spam'
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22:53<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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22:54<jas>i don't want italian help ... :P then, here in italy it's 04.53 :D
22:57<rodrigo_>11pm here in chile :B
22:59<jas>!lart rodrigo 'cause the time is on
22:59*dpkg judo chops rodrigo 'cause the time is on
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23:00<abrotman>jas: please msg the bot to play with it
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