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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-05-23

---Logopened Sat May 23 00:00:10 2009
---Daychanged Sat May 23 2009
00:00<ed_debian>shamanix, Thank you again for all of your help!
00:00<ed_debian>are either of those gui?
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00:01<shamanix>they have gui versions out there, I don't know if they're in the repos or not
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00:02<shamanix>last time I tried handbrake though it told my it needs 384mb ram and I can go screw myself LOL (but that was a windows version)
00:02<ed_debian>shamanix, Well I have 1gb of ram so that's not a problem lol
00:03<Slurb>handbrake roxx
00:05<shamanix>ed_debian: try these kmenc15 (mencoder gui), handbrake-gtk (guess what), these are exact package names
00:06<ed_debian>ok hang on a second
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00:12<shamanix>I'll install these as well, out of curiousity
00:17<shamanix>whoa handbrake actually works!!!! screw you Bill Gates and your memoryhog of an OS
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00:21<shamanix>ok handbrake is too basic for my needs, but I'd gladly help with it
00:23<shamanix>and I'll be darned if I can figure out how to load something in kmenc
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00:27<shamanix>ed_debian you still here?
00:33<Palm>have somebody expereience with megahal? I need answer on: how can i learn + how can i learn in diferent language + how can be on irc. I dont find on readme and net :-(
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00:36<shamanix>hehe LOL on my pc handbrake is the one thats totaly screwed, I get pops and sped up audio all over the place
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00:36<tonytraductor>hi guys
00:36<tonytraductor>listen, I' m really psyched about using Debian now, and 99% of my machine is configured as I need, etc., since installing Lenny this morning.
00:36<tonytraductor>fixed the scanner issues, etc., etc. everything seems to be working quite well
00:37<tonytraductor>except for one very crucial element, that is frustrating me immensely right now
00:37<tonytraductor>I can't figure out for the life of me, and with any amount of googling, how to change the keyboard layout to US-alt (former US-Intl with deadkeys)
00:38<tonytraductor>this is very essential to my work, since I write n 4 languages, and need to be able to write accent marks
00:39<tonytraductor>it wasn' t offered in the list of options during install, so I just figured I would configure it afterwards...but I' m at a loss regarding how
00:40<tonytraductor>I ran dpkg-reconfigure console-data but that doesn' t seem to have affected any change
00:40<shamanix>googling found this
00:41<tonytraductor>yeah, I did that
00:42<tonytraductor>nowhere in the list it gives do I see simpley US-alt or US-Intl
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00:43<shamanix>another one
00:43<tonytraductor>I do see two US-Intl options, one with ISO 8859-1 and the other with ISO 8859-15
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00:44<tonytraductor>but I haven' t the slightest clue what text encoding has to do with my keyboard layout
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00:44<tonytraductor>and, I' ve tried both, and it makes no change to my ability to type accordingly
00:45<tonytraductor>I also notice that running this dpkg tool makes no difference to the keyboard setting in my xorg.conf
00:45<tonytraductor>and i wonder if, perhaps, something in there needs to be changed.
00:45<tonytraductor>for instance: Option"XkbLayout""us"
00:46<tonytraductor>maybe that should be " us-intl" or something...but I don' t know
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00:47<ml|>dpkg: keymap
00:47<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
00:47<shamanix>found another one, says to use setxkbmap command to change layout
00:48<shamanix>did you try that
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00:53<tonytraductor>no, I haven't seen that...I'll google setxkpmap
00:54<tonytraductor>I don' t have gnome-control-center or kcontrol, I don' t have any bloated eyecandy laden nauseating desktop environment installed
00:55<tonytraductor>I don' t need to change the keymap, I need to change the keyboard layout
00:55<tonytraductor>I have run dpkg-reconfigure console-data 5 times, and it has made no change
00:56<tonytraductor>man xmodmap says nothing about changing the default keyboard layout, either
00:58<tonytraductor>okay, it looks like setxkbmap should make the change, but nowhere in the man page do I see what value I need to give it to get the layout I need
00:58<shamanix>what languages do you need
01:00<tonytraductor>I needed US-Intl (also called US-alt w/dead keys)
01:00<tonytraductor>setxkbmap us intl did the trick!
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01:00<tonytraductor>everything i found online was telling me to use kcontrol gnome-control-center...that was frustrating
01:00<tonytraductor>and then I found the dpgk-reconfigure bit, but that was unproductive.
01:00<shamanix>i found these on a gentoo forum, but it might help as well
01:00<tonytraductor>but setxkbmap worked
01:01<firefox>nublet question: I have two sound cards... all my programs are using the wrong one.. is there an easy way to tell alsa to use the other soundcard? ( preferable w/o restarting alsa or running alsaconf)
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01:01<tonytraductor>in fact, the layout actually functions properly
01:01<tonytraductor>some characters still didn't work for me on PCLOS
01:01<tonytraductor>such as ¿ and ¡
01:02<tonytraductor>this is perfect
01:02<tonytraductor>I have come to the conclusion that Debian is perfect
01:02<tonytraductor>i don't thnk I'll ever try another distro
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01:02<tonytraductor>You guys have been a great help today
01:02<firefox>get to the chopper!
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01:03<shamanix>haha faszaság müködik a gecije
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01:04<shamanix>its good to know this, looky i found it
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01:06<firefox>well... I guess its alsaconf for me.
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01:06<Palm>under dos i write .. and under linux? i have /home/palm and i need only /home - if i write ".." write me command not found....
01:07<shamanix>write? what do you mean by write? cant remember a dos command like that
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01:08<Palm>i have directory /home/palm/test/blabla/ and i need quickly change to /home/palm/test - what i must write?
01:09<tonytraductor>cd ../
01:09<shamanix>cd /home/palm/test, puting the tab keys to good use if possible
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01:09<shamanix>the tab key is pure awsomeness in bash
01:10<shamanix>chances are you can get away with cd /h tab p tab t tab
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01:11<tonytraductor>or maybe just $ cd ~/test
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01:11<Palm>i know, i find quickly way - under windows if i have c:>home/palmik/test/blkabla/ and if i write only ".." i have c:>home/palmik/test - its quickly, but under linux i must write all path
01:12<shamanix>whoa, cool I didn't even know that tilda thing
01:12<shamanix>makes it so much easier
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01:13<shamanix>~ = home dir
01:14<shamanix>cd .. works as well
01:14<shamanix>be aware that there must be a space between cd and ..
01:14<shamanix>that totally confused me on day one
01:15<shamanix>whas used to the WinDOS cd.. instead of linux cd ..
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01:19<tonytraductor>actually, just cd will return one to their /home
01:19<tonytraductor>oh yeah, but he wants ~/test
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01:21<tonytraductor>It took me less time to get this Debian system installed and configured and work ready than ubuntu or pclos
01:21<tonytraductor>the fact that debian preserved my /home partition during install helped a ton
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01:21<ml|>Palm: like shamanix said cd .. works great
01:21<tonytraductor>ubuntu wouldn't do that properly, so I had to restore /home from backup
01:21<Palm>shamanix: thx, working :-]
01:22<tonytraductor>and I LOVe the fact that I have no kde or gnome on here
01:22<ml|>tonytraductor: welcome :)
01:22<tonytraductor>ml and dpkg have been a great help
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01:22<ml|>dpkg: rocks
01:22<dpkg>Yer damned right...
01:23<tonytraductor>I owe dpkg a beer
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01:23<ml|>!beer dpkg
01:23*dpkg pours a litre of Bornem Tripple for dpkg
01:23<tonytraductor>that bot really amuses me
01:23<ml|>tonytraductor: have read about dpkg ?
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01:25<tonytraductor>I made a nice simple wallpaper for my new debian desktop:
01:25<tonytraductor>thought I'd share
01:25<tonytraductor>where do I read about you mean the software or the bot?
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01:26<tonytraductor>oh cool.. I can use dpkg to install a deb I downloaded (not frm apt repos)
01:26<ml|>dpkg: tell tonytraductor about dpkgbot
01:26<tonytraductor>I downloaded tile (tiles windows in fluxbox, openbox, etc)
01:28<tonytraductor>is there a full list of commands non-op users can send to dpkg?
01:28<tonytraductor>that page mentions java
01:28<tonytraductor>I installed a java app, and it wouldn't start.
01:28<tonytraductor>I determined that the issue was that Lenny was looking for jre 1.5.0, which I hadn't installed.
01:28<tonytraductor>I had installed jre 1.6.0
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01:29<ml|>tonytraductor: you mean dpkgbot?
01:29<tonytraductor>and I learned that I had to run update-alternatives to adjust the java path
01:29<tonytraductor>Oh, I assume that man dpkg will give me all I need to know about dpkg, the software mgmt system
01:29<ml|>tonytraductor: read the msg from dpkg in your irc client
01:30<tonytraductor>I actually did figure out a lot of stuff on my own today, despite asking a few annoyingly n00bish questions in here
01:30<ml|>^^ for dpkgbot
01:30<ml|>!congratulate tonytraductor
01:30<dpkg>Nice one tonytraductor, you did it!
01:31<tonytraductor>I don't know why I didn't install debian sooner
01:31<dpkg>Sing it, sister!
01:31<shamanix>dpkg: amen
01:32<ml|>dpkg: amen
01:32<dpkg>Praise the lord!
01:33<shamanix>just experimenting
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01:33<shamanix>!save the world
01:33*dpkg runs into a burning building and saves the world from certain death. Is that enough?
01:34<ml|>dpkg: tell shamanix about msg the bot
01:35<tonytraductor>dpkg: settle down
01:35<dpkg>wish i knew, tonytraductor
01:36<ml|>tonytraductor: /msg dpkg relax
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01:37<ml|>dpkg: tell tonytraductor about msg the bot
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01:41<shamanix>hey this factoid database looks nice, problem is I'm a complete utter n00b of the worst kind when it comes to databases, whats a good prog to make a mysql database human readable?
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01:51<kenyon>shamanix: php, phpMyAdmin
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02:03<shamanix>!who's the man
02:03<dpkg>shamanix's the man
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02:10<tonytraductor>bon soir, guten nacht, buenas noches, boa noite, good night
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02:57<nadgnaw>Any 1 hear me ?
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03:33<streuner_>pouchedfox: true :-P - * nadgnaw (nadgnaw@ hat #debian verlassen
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03:51<arty>hi all
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03:51<arty>is here pls someone who know very vell apps glftpd
03:52<yepun>not me
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03:53<arty>someone who know glftpd pls
03:53<Supaplex>!tell arty -about anyone
03:53<arty>:) ouki sry m8
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03:58<cryingtux>where are the wallpapers saved in lenny gnome?
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04:12<gsimmons>!tell arty -about glftpd
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04:16<streuner_>cryingtux: what kind of wallpapers, GNOME, GDM?
04:17<cryingtux>streuner_: found the directory, thanks
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04:22<cryingtux>streuner_: what codecs are needed to play mp4 videos?
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04:26<streuner_>cryingtux: file and tell us the output
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04:29<xase>I have a quick question folks
04:30<Supaplex>cryingtux: and /msg dpkg paste to show us more than one line.
04:30<xase>How do I instruct dpkg to resolve dependencies.
04:30<Supaplex>why not install via aptitude? aptitude -f install might help if you're already stuck.
04:31<xase>Well I'm installing virtualbox from the website because the ose version in the repositories for some reason will not run on microknoppix, nor will the one pre-installed.
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04:32<xase>Could I install virtualbox-ose dependencies and then just remove virtualbox-ose?
04:32<Supaplex>there is a debian-live
04:32<llutz>xase: dpkg -i vbox.deb && aptitude -f install should do
04:32<xase>There's a debian live CD :o?
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04:32<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. #debian-live on OFTC (
04:32<Supaplex>not just a cd
04:32<Supaplex>but a whole way to roll your own
04:33<xase>I wanna install Debian on my powermac g4 but i can't get that thing to turn it's darned self on.
04:33<xase>... :O
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04:33<xase>Supaplex you have made me very happy today.
04:33<Supaplex>roll cd, dvds, usb sticks, netboot
04:33<xase>considering my job doesn't want to pay me for training which is illegal by our state laws.
04:33<Supaplex>xase: ps, I'm in the CREDITS :) I even have a powerpc image on
04:33<xase>so I have had a terrible day.
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04:34<xase>Would you happen to know what a red light on an m3185 powermac g4s board means?
04:34<Supaplex>it means Supaplex wants all your old hardware.
04:35<Supaplex>no idea really :)
04:35<Supaplex>"Bad Things(TM)" ???
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04:35<xase>I can give you guts to a powerbook g4 :o
04:36<xase>I disassembled the thing, in hopes of rigging a stepmania case based on debian with it... but now I can't get the thing to power on.
04:36<Supaplex>if you're not in the usa, the shipping would kill it. I might go for a harddisk+wireless guts tho
04:36<xase>I am in the US
04:37<xase>And for some reason... irssi keeps deleting my posts as I'm typing.
04:37<Supaplex>!lart irssi
04:37*dpkg duct-tapes irssi to the floor and drools on him
04:37<xase>hmm lol
04:37<xase>This laptop seems not to like linux... whether live-cd/usb or install... darn you HP!
04:38<Supaplex>hah :-d
04:38<xase>It starts to overheat really bad if I run any sort of linux on it.
04:40<xase>I want my home built computer back =(
04:40*Supaplex returns to upgrading a standby ha cluster node to lenny
04:40<xase>Letting a friend borrow it, because his bit the dust
04:40<xase>thanks for your help
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04:47<xase>sweet... virtualbox is working.
04:47<xase>now to make a custom debian thumbdrive image :D
04:47<xase>and then to test it... AHAHAH
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04:51<XaSe>now do I save sudo lh_build until after I've selected all my packages... or do I run lh_build and then add packages?
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04:54<Supaplex>XaSe: I just run it all as root. and it doesn't play nice in a vserver guest either. heh heh
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04:57<XaSe>The image made afterwards?
04:57<XaSe>I'm making the image in knoppix...
04:57<XaSe>Oh ok
04:57<XaSe>Sorry I'm tired
04:57<XaSe>... hmm well then I guess I'll just have to try and try until I succeed in something
04:58<XaSe>but do I do lh_build first??? or lh_configure first?
04:58<XaSe>with all my packages?
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04:59<Supaplex>XaSe: dpkg -L live-helper
04:59<almorone>mkdosfs !!!
04:59<Supaplex>or | grep share/
04:59<Supaplex>almorone: are you behind on your medication?
05:00<XaSe>Jesem there's 4 different selections for gnome
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05:01<almorone>yes no
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05:01<XaSe>anyone know the key differences to gnome, gnome-core gnome-full and gnome-junior?
05:02<XaSe>I can't seem to find it in the faw
05:03<Supaplex>XaSe: apt-cache show <pkg> and compare. core has the bare minimum etc
05:03<XaSe>man I'm just gonna wait... I can already see myself running out of room on this thumbdrive before I get it finished.
05:03<dpkg>i guess gnome is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+ - see To get GNOME, ask me about <install gnome>. See also <gnome status>. http:/ #gnome-debian on
05:04<XaSe>gnome-junior and gnome-full must point to gnome-core and gnome respectively then... ?
05:05<XaSe>because they don't come up in apt-cache
05:05<XaSe>I wish I could get this freaking mac to turn on...
05:05<XaSe>it just has a red light, and the power light goes off, and the fully-functioning hard drive doesn't spin up...
05:06<XaSe>just the fan
05:06<XaSe>No one has bothered to help really over at macforums and I posted a week ago...
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05:07*Supaplex almost has node1 upgraded
05:07<Supaplex>!kiss policy-rc.d
05:07*dpkg smooches policy-rc.d on the forehead
05:08<XaSe>Well either way... I got the tower and monitor... for... dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnn 25$
05:08<XaSe>And the monitor works splendiferously.
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05:10<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: What kind of mac is it?
05:10<XaSe>Powermac g4
05:10<XaSe>I believe model m3185
05:10<blast_hardcheese>Red light on mobo comes on?
05:10<XaSe>I might have those numbers mixed up.
05:10<Supaplex>powerdud :(
05:10<blast_hardcheese>Have you reset PRAM?
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05:11<XaSe>is it that little button next to the battery that I assume saves the cmos?
05:11*Supaplex glares that the PRAM mennacingly
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05:11<Supaplex>I think it's a key combo on boot
05:11<blast_hardcheese>That should do it; I usually just start up holding down Apple+Option+P+R
05:11<XaSe>hmmm well I don't even get the chime....
05:12<blast_hardcheese>that way I can listen to see if the button is registered,
05:12<blast_hardcheese>It'll start up, you won't hear anything, then you'll hear it power cycle and you should hear the chime
05:12<XaSe>the light comes on then fades off and the computer continues to run... so hold on and I'll go try that real quick...
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05:13<blast_hardcheese>If you don't, make sure you've got one of the Apple-Proprietary AGP graphics cards in the thing (the one with the notch between the AGP bus and the metal mounting brace.
05:13<XaSe>but one question... I lent my brother in law my imac keyboard and mouse, and he broke it, so I didn't get those items when I bought the powermac from him
05:13<blast_hardcheese>oh dear.
05:13<blast_hardcheese>Apple =~ Winkey, Option =~ Alt
05:13<blast_hardcheese>Everything else should work fine
05:13<XaSe>ok figured as much
05:13<XaSe>so p and r boss?
05:14<XaSe>I'll report back to you with my findings chief
05:14<blast_hardcheese>Sounds good.
05:14*blast_hardcheese wants a Powermac G4 tower for 25 bucks
05:15<ml|>how much are they going for?
05:15<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
05:15<blast_hardcheese>no clue. Last one I bought was ~80-100?
05:16<blast_hardcheese>almorone: huh.
05:16<XaSe>how long am I supposed to hold that for?
05:16<XaSe>Yeah well it'd be nice if it worked...
05:16<Supaplex>almorone: please stop
05:16<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: Push power button, switch to pushing buttons within 2 seconds, hold for 10 seconds
05:16<XaSe>ok one more time
05:16<blast_hardcheese>make sure that's from a full stop
05:17<almorone>mac book g4 password @doul boot ubun
05:17<blast_hardcheese>like light fading on
05:17<blast_hardcheese>almorone: Where're you from?
05:18<almorone> uae
05:18<XaSe>what do you mean a full stop?
05:18<XaSe>Cause I count'd to 20 mississipi?
05:19<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: Did you check the graphics card?
05:19<Supaplex>XaSe: full stop === totally off (guessing)
05:19<blast_hardcheese>Supaplex: Bingo
05:19<XaSe>Ok that's what I thought.
05:19<ml|>Supaplex: thought the same
05:19<XaSe>So as soon as I turn it on... I press pr winkey and alt...
05:19<XaSe>It's a rage ati card
05:19<XaSe>how would I tell if it's the mac one?
05:19<blast_hardcheese>Look for the little extra bit between the AGP bus and the mounting brace
05:20<blast_hardcheese>some kind of extra bit of magicalness that makes it Awesome(tm)(c)
05:20<XaSe>you mean that half inch piece of extra silicon tha has it's own slot as opposed to regular agp?
05:20<XaSe>Yeah it has that
05:21<XaSe>I think that's what makes the power button on the monitor work imho... but I'm a noob so disregard my notions.
05:21<blast_hardcheese>Mind if I go through a short checklist?
05:21<XaSe>No problem.
05:21<blast_hardcheese>Oh, I didn't know you had the Pro display
05:21<XaSe>Cause I'd love to had this working.
05:21<XaSe>Should I have a different display?
05:21<XaSe>Or unplug it?
05:22<ml|>XaSe: what model mac
05:22<XaSe>m3185 but lemme double check that real quick
05:22<blast_hardcheese>No, that's fine. I prefer using the on-tower power button, just to eliminate potential variables, but if that works then it's all good.
05:23<XaSe>sorry m5183
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05:23<blast_hardcheese>Make sure no unnecessary PCI cards are in it, make sure it has RAM, make sure whatever daughterboards the machine might have are seated correctly.
05:23<XaSe> on tower button myself blast
05:23<Supaplex>this upgrade is an uber %@$( pain
05:24*Supaplex checks bts for a suspect issue
05:24<XaSe>i made sure that the conexant card was seated properly...
05:24<XaSe>and that what I suspected was the cput was properly connected and tightened
05:24<XaSe>It has ram... I've tried swapping out ram as well.
05:25<XaSe>I don't see any obvious shortages either.
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05:25<XaSe>There are no other pci devices installed whatsoever
05:26<XaSe>hmmm hope my internet didnt keel onme
05:26<blast_hardcheese>Ok, in that case; What does it do, exactly? What noises, no matter how small, are produced when powering on?
05:26<almorone>mac book !!!!!
05:26<XaSe>The fan comes on.
05:27<XaSe>That's it.
05:27<XaSe>if I unplug the IDE cable the harddrive does spin up
05:27<blast_hardcheese>that is interesting.
05:27<XaSe>but while it's plugged in to ide it remains dormant.
05:27<Supaplex>ahh. cable could be in the wrong orientation
05:27<XaSe>could a non functioning harddrive magically keep it from booting?
05:28<blast_hardcheese>Supaplex: Unlikely. Those IDE cables are routed in a really ridiculous way,
05:28<XaSe>Yeah they are...
05:28<blast_hardcheese>very difficult to flip it around. Plus, it has the little notch.
05:28<Supaplex>XaSe: magic? no. it's a "feature".
05:28<XaSe>I was expecting the blue cable to be the HD and what not.
05:28<XaSe>so I need a new HD then is what you're telling me supaplex?
05:29<Supaplex>test it on another working system
05:29<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: Yep. I'd unplug the IDE cables just to make sure though. Let me look up a picture of the mobo to make sure I'm not forgetting anything.
05:29<XaSe>cause last time I checked computers booted without a harddrive.
05:29<blast_hardcheese>Supaplex: That's ridiculous, please stop confusing him
05:29<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: One moment
05:29<Supaplex>o.O mmm okay.
05:29<XaSe>alright so unplug all IDE cables and try to boot.
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05:30<blast_hardcheese>Supaplex: He has unplugged the HDD and it still does not boot, suggesting a new HDD is a bad suggestion.
05:30<XaSe>brb for a moment... I'm going to get a bowl of cereal or something
05:31<ml|>!feed me
05:31*dpkg gives ml| a feeding he'll *never* forget.
05:31<Supaplex>ohhh I thought it was working *after* he removed it.
05:32*Supaplex has too much blood in the caffination system
05:32<almorone>w b
05:32<XaSe>I found something cooler than cereal...
05:32<blast_hardcheese>Supaplex: I think you may be right ;)
05:32<XaSe>thanks almorone
05:32<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: candy?
05:32<blast_hardcheese>Wait no, Ice?
05:32<XaSe>... well no.
05:33<XaSe>But that would be nice.
05:33<XaSe>I found tobacco.
05:33<XaSe>Which sucks cause I'm quitting.
05:33<XaSe>Supaplex: stopped messaging me... must be cause of what I said.
05:33<Supaplex>you has gmail
05:33<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: No matter how many times you say that it won't be true until you actually follow through
05:33<XaSe>Am I really that big of a dork Supaplex :(
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05:34<XaSe>blast_hardcheese: i know
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05:34<Supaplex>I'm on another tty unsnarlwing a messy upgrade
05:34<XaSe>I found tobacco.
05:34<XaSe>I found something cooler than cereal...
05:34<dpkg>smoking is, like, bad!
05:34<azeem>ml|: please /msg the bot
05:34<XaSe>so you think I should grab a working HD?
05:34<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: Nah, It wouldn't make a difference.
05:34<blast_hardcheese>Let me open my server real quick and look at the mobo
05:34<blast_hardcheese>I've got the same model machine you do.
05:34<Supaplex>XaSe: nm my hdd idea. if it's disconnected and still don't work, then main issue is some place else
05:35<blast_hardcheese>(I've lent my other one to a friend or I'd open one that wasn't running my house)
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05:35<XaSe>Well I duely appreciate you opening your server to aid me.
05:35<Supaplex>a computer run your house? what's the worst that can happen, crash windows too?
05:35<saapas>I have a raid5 array with 3 devices; mdadm kicks non-fresh hda2 from array. before the boot the array was fine. how can I get hda2 back into it?
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05:36<XaSe>so far i'm the only person I know who has a root symbol tattooed to their body...
05:37<XaSe>So that either makes me a hardcore weirdo or I don't know.
05:37<blast_hardcheese>you've got a / tattooed on your body? Or was that a :?
05:37<blast_hardcheese>or C:\?
05:37<XaSe>To my wrist
05:37<blast_hardcheese>oh, if I were going to go for a non-alphanumeric character on my wrist I would go with /
05:37<blast_hardcheese>just to be witty
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05:38<azeem>XaSe: let's hope further tattoo artists don't start playing tic-tac-toe on it
05:38<Supaplex>taha hahaha
05:39<XaSe>I was thinking of getting user@localhost:~# tattooed...
05:39<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: Well, Other than what I've already suggested I can't think of anything else apart from making sure there are no random wires not connected anywhere, and holding down the PRAM button for 20 seconds while the machine is unplugged completely from everything (including monitor)
05:39<XaSe>Actually people have tried playing tic tac toe on it.
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05:39<XaSe>so unplug the monitor too and then try?
05:39<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: Do you have a DP?
05:39<blast_hardcheese>Dual proc
05:39<XaSe>... uh...
05:40<XaSe>How would I tell?
05:40<XaSe>Would it have two die?
05:40<blast_hardcheese>Read what I had said; Unplug every single cable from the machine and hold down the PRAM button for 20-30 seconds
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05:40<blast_hardcheese>Do you have a heatsink that takes up 1/3rd of the mobo or 1/5th?
05:40<blast_hardcheese>Also, is it covered in translucent plastic?
05:40<blast_hardcheese>or open-air?
05:40<XaSe>it looks like 1/4th actually
05:40<XaSe>IT's open air...
05:40<blast_hardcheese>non-dp then
05:40<XaSe>darned shift key
05:41<XaSe>ok brb bossman
05:41<blast_hardcheese>also every mac has a very nice description of the capabilities on the label (along with a barcode)
05:41<blast_hardcheese>that'd list exactly how fast the CPU was (at purchase time. It doesn't update to reflect after-market purchases, unfortunately.)
05:42<blast_hardcheese>Although I'm sure they're working on such a feature.
05:42<blast_hardcheese>(I want a hardware printout in E-Ink just as the machine is shutting down; Specs and potential failures. In the old days I'd have wanted this under the keyboard. Now I guess under the battery would due.)
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05:48<XaSe>is there any other key commands I could try?
05:48<blast_hardcheese>nothing else that would do anything :\
05:48<XaSe>my brother in law reported that it used to freeze on him sometimes.
05:49<blast_hardcheese>oh dear.
05:49<XaSe>and the battery was not secure when he dropped it off...
05:49<XaSe>Those are the only things that I could think of
05:49<blast_hardcheese>sounds like a bad logic board
05:49<XaSe>hmm... how would one test for such a flop?
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05:51<blast_hardcheese>Alas, one wouldn't. The absence of the startup chime hints at hardware failure, the fact that nothing else seems to respond is not good.
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05:53<XaSe>Well hopefully the mac store that just opened up will tell me if my board is bad for free...
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05:53<XaSe>I live on Cape Cod and everyone here has a habit of charging for everything
05:53<DervishD>Hey guys, I've got a problem. I'm on xserver-xorg-core-1.6.1 from sid. I have a nvidia fx5200 graphics card so I'm using the nvidia driver 173.14.18 directly from nvidia. This is the legacy driver that's needed with this version of xserver-xorg-core. After first installing it there's no problem but when I log out again all I get is a blank screen, nothing work and the only thing left to do is a hard reboot. I could ude some help figuring this out bea
05:53<DervishD>sue the log files don't show any error messages.
05:54<blast_hardcheese>they might have testing equipment that would do just that. I suspect there's a bit of hardware that interfaces with the firewire port, I've never actually researched into it though.
05:54<XaSe>Do you remember the number I listed for the model blast_hardcheese I can't seem to scroll that far up
05:55<blast_hardcheese>I'm going to go with m5183
05:55<XaSe>Thought so
05:56<XaSe>DervishD: I'm no professional but did you run the Nvidia config tool from command line after running '/etc/init.d/gdm stop'
05:56<XaSe>That might help...
05:56<XaSe>as root I think
05:56<DervishD>@ XaSe : I let the nvidia script update my xorg.conf.
05:57<XaSe>Did you try running nvidia-xconfig again and seeing if that helped?
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05:57<DervishD>It's like the xserver is just sitting there waiting to restart but it never does
05:58<DervishD>@ XaSe : yes I did, it produces the same xorg.conf and the result is the same
06:00<XaSe>and you tried /etc/init.d/X stop ?
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06:01<XaSe>If so then I'm not sure, and I hope someone more proficient can step in.
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06:02<DervishD>I've tried everything I could think of but nothing works :-(
06:04<XaSe>even re-installing the drivers?
06:04<DervishD>Yes, even reinstalling the drivers.
06:05<DervishD>I guess the only thing left to do is wait until nvidia-kernel-legacy-173.14.18 in installable from sid.
06:06<DervishD>maybe it will work then
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06:07<locklace>DervishD: official answer is that driver installs direct from nvidia are not supported here and that you want to ask in an nvidia channel instead
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06:08<locklace>DervishD: but no harm in checking in here, might run across someone else with the same setup who can give you some advice
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06:08<DervishD>@ locklace : I know it not officially supported. I'm just trying to figure this out.
06:09<XaSe>I'm out of ideas
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06:09<DervishD>so am I :-(
06:09<locklace>have you actually tried the relevant nvidia channel?
06:10<locklace>not sure where it is offhand but know it exists
06:10<XaSe>eh don't feel bad i have an almost 30 pound paperweight that I paid 25 bucks for.
06:11<DervishD>no, not yet. I came here first. I'm going to sign up at the nvidia forum and present my problemthere.
06:11<Supaplex>!kick XaSe's 30 pound paperweight
06:11*dpkg kicks XaSe's 30 pound paperweight in the ass.
06:11<blast_hardcheese>XaSe: I'll take it off your hands ;)
06:11<Supaplex>wahout. dpkg just gave it an ass kicking
06:11<locklace>DervishD: ok, let us know how it goes
06:11<Supaplex>wahouu* even
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06:11<locklace>!congratulate dpkg
06:11<dpkg>Nice one dpkg, you did it!
06:12<DervishD>I'll do that.
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06:12<locklace>supaplex are you using ulogd2
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06:15<Supaplex>locklace: what is that?
06:15<Supaplex>uh, no.
06:16<Supaplex>I do use netflow-utils I think it is.
06:16<locklace>ok. i was looking at the ssh rules you posted a while ago and that reminded me to set up proper logging
06:16<locklace>and then i quickly figured out that if proper logging exists it's only in the form of ulogd2, which isn't packaged yet
06:16<locklace>so i set it up and installed it anyway, seems to work but haven't stress-tested it or anything
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06:20<XaSe>blast_hardcheese: ;) I'm not giving it up yet
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06:21<firefox>Is there anyway to reset a usb device, like a webcam, w/o unpluging it and pluging it back in?
06:21<XaSe>It doesn't feel like the cpu or anything is heating up.
06:21<XaSe>I'm now sitting in front of it swearing at it... not in hopes that it'll work, but I stubbed my toe on it.
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06:24<XaSe>nope... guess not... didn't expect the bot to help make the problem go away
06:25<locklace>what is the problem
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06:25<XaSe>Power mac G4 model m5183 will not boot... red light comes up on mobo...
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06:26<XaSe>bored out of my mind and blast_hardcheese was helping me but it seems there is no helping the dead.
06:26<locklace>did it ever work
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06:27<locklace>how did you break it
06:27<XaSe>Darnit... I was hoping blowing on the connection would work like blowing on the nes
06:27<XaSe>It just... decided not to work one day.
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06:28<locklace>do you get video signal or bios-powered keyes (caps lock)?
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06:29<XaSe>no the tower power light comes on then fades off and that's it... moot.
06:29<XaSe>The keyboard might not even be working for all I know.
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06:29<locklace>ok, you're screwed
06:29<locklace>take it in for repair, but that might cost more than the system itself is worth
06:30<XaSe>I ain't paying for repair, when I only bought it for 25 bucks lol
06:30<XaSe>I will try my best... then retire it.
06:30<glock>hey guys, im using deb testing, after updating it i can no longer see mounted media on my desktop. mount points are on /mnt . do i need to change the mount point to /media ?
06:31<locklace>glock: were they in /media before
06:31<glock>no, they were always on /mnt
06:31<locklace>glock: also info what desktop environment you're using wouldn't be amiss
06:31<locklace>ok, some gnome person will probably pipe up to offer a pithy suggestion
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06:35<XaSe>that's a new development...
06:35<XaSe>while pressing down on the heatsink the light on the mobo flickered
06:36<Caelum>how come su -l foo -c 'something' doesn't read foo's .bash_profile ?
06:36<locklace>Caelum: .bashrc
06:36<Caelum>doesn't read that either
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06:36<locklace>XaSe: just curious, have you ever heard the phrase "grasping at straws"?
06:36<locklace>Caelum: oh, -c, right
06:37<Caelum>locklace: how do I run a command with the .bashrc read?
06:37<lili>how to hack into a website like
06:38<XaSe>yes I have locklace.
06:38<Caelum>I suppose I could do -c '. ~/.bashrc; somecommand'
06:38<Caelum>but that's ugly
06:38<XaSe>Lili if you need help on hacking into a website then you've probably not thoroughly googled the subject, and should give up now.
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06:39<steffan>XaSe: you have a root tattoo?
06:39<XaSe>Yes Steffan :(
06:40<locklace>Caelum: the answer is in "man bash", in the most obvious place
06:40<lili>XaSe , are you manager for this channel?
06:40<Caelum>locklace: err, what does that have to do with su
06:40<steffan>XaSe: lol
06:40<locklace>Caelum: do you really have to ask that question?
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06:41<XaSe>And neither are you.
06:41<steffan>lili: /chanserv access #debian list
06:41<Caelum>locklace: yes, I have a script that uses su -l -c 'command' to execute a command with the login environemnt, and it doesn't work on debian
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06:41<Caelum>locklace: and I don't see what that has to do with bash
06:42<glock>update: i changed the mount point to /media and it showed up on desktop (just like ubuntu) , so something changed in the last update
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06:45<Placebo>hello everyone, I am trying to install curl
06:45<Placebo>: Failed to fetch 403 Forbidden [IP: 80]
06:45<Placebo>W: Failed to fetch 403 Forbidden [IP: 80]
06:45<Placebo>W: Failed to fetch 403 Forbidden [IP: 80]
06:45<Placebo>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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06:46<Placebo>any suggestions?
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06:46<XaSe>How do I unscrew the motherboard from the case properly?
06:46<Caelum>XaSe: the answer is in "man bash" in the most obvious place
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06:47<Placebo>Anyone here?
06:47<XaSe>Hey, dude, don't bash the man... big brother is watching us guy.
06:48<XaSe>Placebo try a different mirror, or downloading it directly from the ftp...
06:48<XaSe>and using dpkg -i to install it
06:48<XaSe>That's the only help I can construct
06:48<Placebo>Xase thank you for replying
06:48<XaSe>You're welcome.
06:50<adb>Placebo: use
06:50<XaSe>When in doubt... hit technology, it might help it...
06:51<locklace>Caelum: ok, at least for me -l overrides -c, with the result that the user's .bash_profile is indeed sourced
06:51<Placebo>XaSe Thank you, have a nice day!
06:51<XaSe>Welcome Placebo
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06:52<lili>i still want to hack that fuck website...
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06:52<locklace>!lart lili
06:52*dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u lili'
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06:52<locklace>lili: #script-kiddies is that way --->
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06:53<XaSe>ok so... I have the thing on with the red light... I slap the side of the case up and the hard drive spins up
06:54<locklace>XaSe: good old kinetic engineering
06:54<XaSe>Well obviously it's not exactly broken then... so I'm going to see if I can replicate that
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06:55<XaSe>ok I can replicate that
06:55<locklace>maybe if you give it a good solid punch the screen will come on
06:55<XaSe>well the disc tray opens now
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06:56<XaSe>lili this isn't a chat room for hacking websites.
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06:56<lili>ok . i know , i would not do that again.
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06:59<almorone>mac book password
06:59<mentat>Hello People, how do you think if I want to load linux, for example for calculator only, can I do it? If it possible, how I can do it?
07:00<mentat>and I need to load linux max fastly
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07:01<mentat>and I want to use X11
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07:03<XaSe>you want to load linux on a calculator... with X11?
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07:04<mentat>max fastly
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07:04<XaSe>is the calculator in color.
07:04<mentat>it is xcalc
07:04<mentat>or gnome-calculator
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07:05<mentat>I needn't use network or something
07:05<XaSe>I would say just build debian with just x...
07:05<XaSe>and tell it to run a script...
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07:05<locklace>mentat: as trolls go you're near the bottom of the barrel
07:05<XaSe> to start xcalc
07:05<XaSe>locklace: he's not a troll.
07:05<pabs>does anyone know of an image editor/processor that implements the scale2x family of algorithms?
07:06<XaSe>English isn't his main language clearly.
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07:06<XaSe>he wants to load linux up as fast as possible and have it start a calculator.
07:07<XaSe>Mentat what is your native language?
07:07<XaSe>... ahh.. I am no good at russian...
07:07<XaSe>Hold up
07:08<mentat>ok, may speak English, I training it
07:09<locklace>XaSe: hehe, thought he wanted to run linux on his calculator
07:09<XaSe>#ubuntu-ru on may be able to assisst you more, I am not aware of anyone who speaks russian.
07:09<XaSe>That's what I thought too locklace.
07:09<locklace>i guess there are toasters that run it these days, so ymmv there
07:09<XaSe>Toasters... running linux...
07:10<XaSe>Sell me one...I know you are hoarding them.
07:10<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
07:10<mentat>ok, thank you, I follow you advise, good - bye
07:10<dpkg>i guess jp is Japan
07:10<XaSe>Hoped he would be more informative.
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07:11<locklace>didn't work out so well for the iranian, the libyan and the kazakhstani either
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07:14<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
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07:14<XaSe>It could tell I meant urdu at least.
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07:14<XaSe>I should get Arif to run Debian on his Western Union terminal ;)
07:14*locklace disappointed that there is no debian support channel for residents of the ancient sumerian city
07:16<XaSe> Cromagnon man is an archaeological ancestor of Homo sapiens.
07:16<XaSe>Darn bot.
07:16<XaSe>O well.
07:17<locklace>!start an os holy war
07:17<dpkg>unix sucks!
07:17<XaSe>Where is x
07:17<XaSe>what is debian
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07:18<XaSe>that !help thing is misleading
07:18<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
07:18<azeem>XaSe: please /msg the bot
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07:30<Aleric>Is it possible to run an X application from within a chroot?
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07:31<Aleric>I created a chroot with a 32bit debian install (on a 64bit system), but when I try to run an X application it tells me it can't connect to X.
07:32<Aleric>Rather, the error is something like "No protocol specified"
07:32<XaSe>did you try starting x on another tty trminal
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07:32<XaSe>or x in general
07:32<locklace>Aleric: did you set DISPLAY
07:32<Aleric>I'd like the use the X server that is already running on my machine
07:32<Aleric>locklace: yes
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07:33<locklace>Aleric: that should be enough, provided you bind-mounted /tmp correctly
07:34<Aleric>Yes, /tmp is bind mounted too.
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07:35<Lish>any site for advandage and disadvande about the deb vs rpm!
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07:36<bremner>Lish: can you explain why you care?
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07:36<Lish>i want to know , for overal opinion
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07:37<mini>he ho
07:38<bremner>Lish: the question is a bit like "whose brand of car parts is better? Toyota or Nissan?"
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07:39<bremner>Lish: IIRC, there was some discussion about the relative merits of the crypographic signing setup, but in Debian this is a function of apt, so again I'm not sure if the question makes sense.
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07:41<mini>exists a debian tutorial in german language?
07:41<mini>i cant found it on the debian site
07:41<variable>mini, what kind of tutorial you are searching?
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07:42<amphi_>mini: install debian-reference-de
07:42<Lish>bremner: ok i will change the questons , why you prefer deb and not rpm , if you use deb:)
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07:44<avu>mini, although the english documentation is usually more up to date
07:45<bremner>Lish: I prefer debian, which is a completely different question. I couldn't care less about the low level package format (somebody might, just not me).
07:45<mini>the reference i have found already
07:45<mini>the autor is writing: Ich erwarte, dass der Leser bereits hinreichende Erfahrungen mit Unix-artigen Systemen vor dem Lesen dieses Dokuments gesammelt hat.
07:46<mini>i are completely new with linux systems
07:46<mini>i ve only worked with windows last time
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07:47<avu>mini, and you're sure you can't read documentation in english?
07:47<avu>mini, otherwise I'd suggest
07:47<bremner>mini: did you try asking on #debian-de about tutorials?
07:48<mini>thats a good idea
07:48<amphi_>mini: might be of use, but it's in english - I didn't see a .de version
07:49<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:49<bremner>oh, .de, not -de, weird
07:50<mini>i will try to join the channel
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07:50<mini>otherwise i must read the documentation in english ;)
07:50<mini>thanks for the help
07:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 402] by debhelper
07:51<frank>mini: so if you are completely new, did you take a look at the install guide?
07:54<mini>the install guide i've already read
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07:57<amphi_>mini: that introduction to linux link I posted is quite good, if I recall correctly
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07:58<amphi>accursèd tail
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08:01<locklace>you could try a hat instead, amphi^, that's cute
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08:03<locklace>or the "clan" approach: [[--^^AmPHi_0wnzj00^^|here--]]
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08:07<locklace>or some asian teenybopper styling, ^____amphi____^
08:07<bremner>!tell Lish -about privmsg
08:09<Lish>bremner: np i find my answer:)
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08:09<iborisova>hola. Does anyone have canon lbp2900 printer?
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08:26<ustun>Hi, I can't connect to any svn servers using http/https. It gives the error could not connect to server. The other machines on the network can access the server. How can I debug the problem? I am running sid, and have not installed a firewall. I have tried upgrading to the svn package on the experimental, but that did not help.
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08:40<cryingtux>how do i change root password?
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08:41<cryingtux>or what`s the utlity to manage users and their passwords in lenny gnome edition??
08:42<cahoot>cryingtux: can you su to root?
08:42<cryingtux>cahoot: yes
08:43<cahoot>the as root issue passwd
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08:44<cahoot>(and run pwgen or such to get a suggestion for a reasonable choice)
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08:45<cryingtux>in kde there is a utility to manage users:::do we have any like that in gnome?
08:45<cryingtux>that would be more simple to fix this
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08:47<dr|z3d>cryingtux: admin-users
08:47<dr|z3d>That's Gnome's default user management tool.
08:47<cryingtux>dr|z3d: thanks
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08:48<cryingtux>dr|z3d: synaptic gives no admin-users on search
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08:48<dr|z3d>users-admin in that case.
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08:48<dr|z3d>Still a bit fuggy here. :/
08:49<cryingtux>thanks: will check this one too
08:49<pbnjhxma>hi. fluxbox, apps file: [Dimensions] {1152 840} for fullscreen. for live version get/set as variables?
08:49<cryingtux>and whats the ulitity for changing mouse cursor theme?
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08:50<dr|z3d>cryingtux: Sounds like you need to have a look around your gnome menu.
08:50<dr|z3d>Most of the stuff there is pretty obvious.
08:51<dr|z3d>"Appearance" is your hint.
08:51<cryingtux>dr|z3d: i installed netinstall and almost everything is barebone and im not so good with gnome
08:53<dr|z3d>cryingtux: Gotcha. Why Gnome, if you're wanting a pared down setup, personally I'd recommend Xfce.
08:53<cryingtux>i will look into that too
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08:54<dr|z3d>Xfce is a lightweight Gnome, in essence. You don't lose much, and it looks just as good (unlike Lxde which frankly looks a bit homemade).
08:55<cryingtux>dr|z3d: gnome-system-tools looks like the package i need
08:56<dr|z3d>cryingtux: Yeah, quite probably. Remember, if you don't need the package, it's easily uninstalled.
08:57<cryingtux>yes, im trying to get minimal possible packages
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08:58<bremner>How is lxde for function?
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08:59<dr|z3d>bremner: Functionally it's pretty good. And it's definitely swift.
09:00<dr|z3d>Also, pcmanfm (LXDE's file manager) is a great lightweight fm that's recommended regardless of what desktop enviro you're running.
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09:01<joe__>is there a way to run a program to give it more cpu
09:01<cryingtux>lxde is very good:::i have used it on pclinuxos, lenny, madriva:::its better than kde4, nearer kde3 and easier than gnome imho
09:01<joe__>i wanna run a program and have it use all 8 cores
09:01<bremner>Yeah I run xmonad, just looking for some pieces
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09:02<steffan>Is there a command to check your kernel on debian?
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09:04<cahoot>then uname
09:05<dr|z3d>steffan: try lsb_release -a
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09:06<dr|z3d>That shows you installed modules and distro. Useful.
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09:12<steffan>cahoot: Yes version
09:12<cahoot>then uname
09:12<cahoot>then uname -r f ex
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09:15<steffan>dr|z3d: No such command, also 'uname' just says Linux
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09:16<dr|z3d>steffan: Try uname --help
09:16<dr|z3d>probably uname -a
09:16<dr|z3d>Will give you a full spec.
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09:17<steffan>dr|z3d: Thank you. How can I find current load average?
09:18<locklace>steffan: uptime
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09:19<steffan>locklace: :)
09:19<locklace>steffan: (or "cat /proc/loadavg" if you want to be lame)
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09:19<dr|z3d>steffan: Recommend you install htop
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09:20<dr|z3d>(ncurses terminal task manager)
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09:20<dr|z3d>Or "top with colors"
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09:25<dr|z3d>steffan: Also, if you're running a desktop, you may want to install conky.
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09:26<dr|z3d>You may also/alternatively want to install gkrellm. :)
09:26<steffan>dr|z3d: it's not a desktop :)
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09:28<dr|z3d>Ah. Okeydoke. In which case htop is fine. :)
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09:31<steffan>dr|z3d: :)
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09:37<locklace>!lart knoppix_
09:37*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on knoppix_
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09:41<groulder>who's awake
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09:47<saman>I know that packages are realesed when "ready", but any idea regarding when Gnome 2.26 will go into testing?
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09:48<locklace>sometime after it goes into sid
09:49<steffan>hm, logger fails to work.
09:49<locklace>!tell steffan about doesn't work
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09:50<saman>mm ...... I assumed it was in sid already
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09:54<steffan>what do the defaults in /etc/crontab {} mean?
09:55<locklace>"unless anacron is installed, do the stuff in cron.daily, .weekly and .monthly daily, weekly and monthly, and do the stuff in cron.hourly hourly in any case"
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10:11<sylarrr>is there an easy way to resize an ext3 partition on an lvm?
10:12<patrikf>sylarrr: lvextend, resize2fs
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10:12<patrikf>with recent kernels even without unmounting if you're enlarging
10:12<sylarrr>I am finding in google only complicated things about turning the ext3 to ext2 and block sizes calculations etc
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10:12<patrikf>sylarrr: do you want to enlarge or shrink your partition?
10:13<sylarrr>patrikf, shrink
10:13<patrikf>sylarrr: is it your root partition?
10:13<patrikf>sylarrr: then you'll have to do it from another system (i.e. live cd)
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10:13<patrikf>(I'd recommend
10:13<sylarrr>but what do I do? resize2fs seem to be for ext2
10:14<patrikf>no, it's for ext3 as well (they're very similar)
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10:15<sylarrr>I'll man it
10:15<sylarrr>I hope it is simpler then the howtos I find
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10:19<sylarrr>patrikf, seems like grml has all the packages I need
10:19<patrikf>sylarrr: yes, grml is *the* choice for command-line admin jobs from a live cd :)
10:20<locklace>and they're zsh people, so it's a done deal
10:20<sylarrr>I don't zsh yet
10:20<locklace>great time to start
10:20<XaSe>no it isn't
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10:21<sylarrr>except I gota reduce that ext3 first
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10:21<bearhou>anybody chinese?
10:21<locklace>iirc zsh has a builtin to do the ext3+lvm root volume resize for you
10:21<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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10:21<Bolle1961>doe mij maar nasi
10:22<sylarrr>isn't zsh just a shell like bash, tcsh csh etc?
10:22<dpkg>it has been said that cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
10:22<locklace>no, it sucks less
10:22<cahoot>oh another round of shell philosophy
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10:23<sylarrr>I am in a hurry now
10:23<sylarrr>so, I just need to get it done
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10:29<steffan>why am I getting 'Permission Denied' to write to a file in /www (permissions at
10:29<steffan>afaik, those permissions are read+write
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10:29<locklace>struggling to enumerate all the problems with that question
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10:30<locklace>let's start with 1, what exact file are you trying to write or create; 2, as what user
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10:31<steffan>locklace: the file is /www/tmp/cregn.c as user steffan
10:32<locklace>the permissions on that directory are 755 and it's owned by root
10:32<steffan>locklace: everything in www/ and subfolders should be owned by steffan, at-least they were until now
10:33<locklace>well, it isn't, as you can plainly see
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10:37<steffan>locklace: ok
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10:39<steffan>locklace: should 'chmod u+w www/' work, as steffan created it?
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10:40<steffan>locklace: can you elaborate on that?
10:41<locklace>!tell steffan about permissions
10:41<steffan>locklace: that is what I am reading, and that's how I came up with 'chmod u+w www/'
10:42<locklace>that sets the owner-writable bit on the "www" directory
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10:43<locklace>the best way to actually fix your problem, presumably, is "chown stefan.stefan ~stefan/www/tmp" as root
10:43<ranix>read that factoid for information about permissions
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10:43<ranix>each file has two owners: a user, and a group
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10:44<ranix>and there are three permission sets that reflect this
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10:44<ranix>user permissions (the owner), group permissions (the group owner), and everyone else permissions
10:44<locklace>(wondering if ranix is going to repeat the full contents of the permissions help pages ad hoc here in the channel)
10:45<ranix>I think that will be enough
10:45<ranix>sometimes it's hard to get people to read documentation until they understand the breadth of what they don't know
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10:45<locklace>well put
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10:46<bja>locklace: Can you make that the qotd
10:47<locklace>no easier than you
10:48<bja>locklace: I don't know how, the man pages for the bot are not in my system je je
10:49<steffan>locklace: thank you
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10:50<dpkg>14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?"
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11:08<shamanix>guys is there some known problem with copying to pendrives? I am getting pretty low speeds compared to windows 2-3 mb/s compared to ~15 mb/s i get with windows
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11:09<Flakk>Hi people, I have an Openssh server installed on my machine (deb stable). Can I strop this server running (wihout purging the package)? anyway, how to make sure whether it is running or not? - thanks
11:09<Flakk>strop -> stop
11:10<pjm>/etc/init.d/ssh stop
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11:10<pjm>check with /etc/init.d/ssh status or ps -ef | grep sshd
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11:11<pjm>if you want to remove autostart, use update-rc.d
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11:12<Flakk>pjm - thanks, trying
11:12<bja>Flakk: less /etc/init.d/README what you are looking for is there on your machine je je
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11:14<Flakk>pjm : /etc/init.d/ssh status gives Usage: /etc/init.d/ssh {start|stop|reload|force-reload|restart} so what do I conclude? I gues this means that sshd exists, but this does not tell me whether it is running at present, right?
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11:15<sney>if you tell the script to stop the server, it'll either a) stop it or b) complain that it isn't running, and exit
11:15<sney>either way it's not like you'll break anything
11:16<pjm>check with ps
11:16<sney>that works too
11:16<Flakk>pjm: ok :) checking with ps
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11:16<pjm>sneys way is more hardcore ;-)
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11:18<Flakk> ps -ef | grep sshd gives: root 2938 1 0 07:14 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
11:18<pjm>yep its running
11:20<Flakk>so in particular somebody couldd make an ssh connection to my machine if he know the user name and the pswd, right?
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11:20<bja>Flakk: "ps -AF|grep [s]shd && /etc/init.d/ssh stop"
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11:21<bja>Flakk: Thats the way things are suppose to work
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11:22<Flakk>must I be root to stop the ssh server?
11:22<bja>Flakk: Maybe, just maybe if you read man ssh things will get a little more clear for you
11:22<bja> yes
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11:27<Flakk>pjm : so I said as root /etc/init.d/ssh stop and got the message "Stopping OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd" then I said again " ps -ef | grep sshd" and the line starting with "root" disappeared. But there is still the line starting with the users name and containing: "26711 26691 0 13:14 pts/18 00:00:00 grep sshd" I guess I have stopped the ssh server but what does this additional line means?
11:27<cahoot>your grep
11:28<sney>yeah, ps shows everything, including the command you just ran to see if sshd was still running
11:28<Flakk>sney: I see, that's what i thought also.
11:28<cahoot>Flakk: try grep [s]sh
11:30<Flakk>cahoot: 19907 19859 0 08:00 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/gnome-session !!!
11:31<bja>Flakk: thats a client
11:31<Flakk>bja: you mean the ssh-client?
11:31<cahoot>ssh-agent - manages your keys
11:32<Flakk>Ok thanks a lot, I understand the stuff beter now I guess
11:33<bja>Flakk: type on a console "man ssh-agent"
11:33<sney>as long as sshd isn't running, nobody can connect to your system remotely. though if you have a strong password it's not like that'll happen without your permission anyway
11:33<sney>I mean, unless you're constantly finding yourself a target for l33t h4x0rz
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11:34<Flakk>sney: what is l33t h4x0rz??
11:35<sney>but, not the kind that mess around with things and figure out how they work
11:35*locklace makes scary hacker shadows on the walls
11:35*Flakk hides under the table
11:35<sney>the kind from TV who are always trying to steal your credit cards and plant child pornography on your hard drive. you know, the ones that don't exist in huge numbers
11:36<Flakk>yeah :)
11:36<bja>Flakk: If you get scared by those, do the math and take a look at iptables recent module
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11:37<shamanix>one more try, guys is there some known problem with copying to pendrives? I am getting way too low speeds compared to windows, 2-3 mb/s compared to ~15+ mb/s i get with windows.
11:37<locklace>shamanix: run hdparm on it
11:37<locklace>shamanix: there are lots of potential issues
11:37<locklace>shamanix: how many have you tried, does it happen with all of them
11:37<sney>windows also might cheat on its speed numbers
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11:38<shamanix>locklace, only one my 8 gig kingston
11:38<Flakk>bja: what is "iptables recent module"? this is really new for me.
11:38<bja>Flakk: man iptables
11:38<locklace>shamanix: try with some others if you can to get more data points. run hdparm, lots of options to check block/cache/dma modes and other things and do perf tests
11:39<locklace>shamanix: if it's a general problem, post your controller and drive specs and the info you collected with hdparm to lkml
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11:39<locklace>shamanix: and the windows comparative wall clock stats
11:40<locklace>shamanix: and make sure you also test with a current kernel version, 2.6.29 or later
11:40<neocortex>hello, I have ThinkPad T61 and Debian testing. I just realized that my internal mic is not working, and it did, just recently...
11:40<shamanix>locklace, this probably isnt't much help but
11:40<sney>with usb storage, a lot of the time windows tells you the data is copied but it doesn't actually sync it until later
11:40<locklace>neocortex: any luck with changing the settings with alsamixer
11:41<sney>they play it pretty fast and loose with that stuff since it'll always sync when you do a safely remove hardware
11:41<neocortex>locklace: I tried couple of things. Could you tell me what to do?!
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11:41<locklace>shamanix: no, read the hdparm manpage for all the options, there's a ton of stuff you can do with it
11:41<shamanix>ok i'll do that
11:42<locklace>and sney is right too, make sure you're taking that into account when measuring wall clock time in windows
11:42<locklace>neocortex: you said it was working before, what changed? what kernel are you using?
11:42<shamanix>wall clock time???? never heard that word
11:42<neocortex>Latest... I do my update regularly
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11:42<locklace>neocortex: uname -r
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11:43<neocortex>locklace: 2.6.26-2-686
11:43<bighornram>so after an update today I find a new im app (empathy). thought I would give her a try. I mainly use jabber and that set up fine but have a stubborn sibling who uses yahoo. I am unable to import the yahoo account as prescribed. The protocol doesn't appear to be present. Do I have to add it somehow? anyone know?
11:43<locklace>neocortex: so what changed between when it was working and when it stopped? how are you testing it?
11:44<locklace>neocortex: what kind of sound card?
11:44<neocortex>locklace: I tested it with SoundRecorer and used Skype
11:45<neocortex>locklace: Intel
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11:46<locklace>neocortex: can you check your mic settings in alsamixer and try it with arecord at the cli instead of a desktop app
11:46<locklace>neocortex: still waiting for the answer to "what changed"
11:46<neocortex>locklace: Intel AD198x
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11:47<neocortex>locklace: Nothing changed. I did not touch anything. Just that I did not need Skype for a while. And now it is not working.
11:47<locklace>sounds suspicious, probably a mixer settings issue
11:48<neocortex>locklace: Microphone and Internal Mic are at maximum, the only suspicious thing is that Capture and Capture 1 have X on Toggle audio to capture
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11:50<Zviper>hey anyone else having problems with apt-get?
11:50<neocortex>locklace: Also, first Input source is Internal Mic, and second is Mic
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11:50<neocortex>locklace: But, again, I did not touch/changed anything
11:50<locklace>neocortex: ok, try playing around with those, some app may have messed with them behind your back, and also experiment with arecord -vvv
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11:51<locklace>Zviper: could you be a little more vague please
11:52<Zviper>is anyone having any problems?
11:52<locklace>nicely done
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11:53<Zviper>;) im getting these errors using apt-get
11:53<Zviper>Err lenny/non-free Packages
11:53<Zviper> 403 Forbidden [IP: 80]
11:53<cahoot> neocortex cat /proc/aosund/cards - card0 being what you expect?
11:53<locklace>Zviper: try a different mirror
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11:54<cahoot> neocortex also /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 should set sane mixeroptions
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11:56<neocortex>cahoot: Ops! I tried /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 and got invalid card number
11:57<Zviper>ah ok, got it working now
11:57<cahoot> neocortex cat /proc/asund/cards - card0 being what ?
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11:58<neocortex>cahoot: 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel / HDA Intel at 0xfe220000 irq 17
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12:00<cahoot>neocortex: notice the same error here - hmm
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12:01<cahoot>neocortex: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
12:02<neocortex>cahoot: and then? /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0?
12:02<enouf>why is alsa so broken lately? it's been in the kernel now for years
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12:03<cahoot>neocortex: hopefully the restart did the job
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12:03<enouf>i mean; alsamixer 's controls don't even control anything .. and there's like 3000 separate sliders i have for my stupid 00:10.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 08)
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12:04<enouf>Master Volume does shit
12:05<neocortex>cahoot: Nope! No sound from Internal Mic
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12:06<bighornram>anyone have tips to configure empathy in squeeze?
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12:12<shamanix>hdparm doesnt seem to solve my pendrive probs, all i can set is the read ahead and that doesnt do much maybe adds 1 mb+ but thats it still a far cry from what it should be, for the rest I get invalid argument errors all the time, and I tested almost everything
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12:13<shamanix>could the usb driver be the prob?
12:14<adb>tried sdparm ?
12:15<shamanix>installing sdparm right now
12:15<locklace>shamanix: i didn't say it was going to solve your problems, i suggested it as a way to show low-level settings and conduct tests to gather more info
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12:20<shamanix>sdparm gives me: Direct access device specific parameters: WP=0 DPOFUA=0, anyone know what this means?
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12:53<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
12:54<tonytraductor>dude, that is so deep...
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12:59<ml|>tonytraductor: wb
12:59<tonytraductor>I like it here
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13:00<tonytraductor>I can't ssh from my laptop to my home box since installing Lenny
13:01<tonytraductor>the IP hasn't changed (assigned by router), and I have a dydns ddclient running, anyway
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13:01<ml|>port open
13:01<locklace>did you actually install an ssh server
13:01<tonytraductor>oh yeah...dude...I confess I haven't checked to see if I have sshd running...doh
13:02<locklace>i find that step to be of some importance
13:02<tonytraductor>yeah, that's running
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13:02<ml|>locklace: thought of asking that, but seem he knew that ;)
13:04<tonytraductor>I have the router sending ssh to port 22, I do know that
13:04<ml|>you mean port fowarding
13:05<tonytraductor>I'm confused...doing some googling
13:05<ml|>and sshd_config setup right
13:05<tonytraductor>on previous installs (ubu, pclos) all I had to do was start the sshd...I don't remember having to do anything to configure it or tell it which ports to use, etc.
13:06<ml|>yeah it should work with default config, but might worth a look tho
13:06<tonytraductor>default port is 22
13:06<FourtyTruth>here come the cops
13:06<tonytraductor>the response I get is something about remote host identification has changed
13:07<tonytraductor>it is possible that someone is doing something nasty, it says
13:07<tonytraductor>and if I try to sshfs mount it just resets connection by peer
13:08<ml|>if you have ssh open to the net, without much protection anything is possible
13:11<locklace>tonytraductor: uh, that's perfectly normal
13:12<locklace>tonytraductor: you not only changed your sshd keys, you installed a whole new os
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13:12<locklace>tonytraductor: so delete the host key on the client and try again
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13:13<tonytraductor>oh...delete the host key on the laptop?
13:13<locklace>from the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file
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13:16<ml|>locklace: adding to known_hosts file should work too right
13:16<Flakk>pjm: i was trying to remove the sshd server from the set of the startup programs, as you advised by update-rd.c . so I said "update-rc.d /usr/sbin/sshd remove" it said "removing" but when I re booted, it is still running what did i do wrong?
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13:17<locklace>ml|: not sure what you mean, adds are performed automatically by the ssh client, no point trying to do it manually
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13:20<ml|>locklace: ok, why delete the host key from known_hosts file, guess iḿ missing something
13:21<locklace>because the key on the server changed, so the client sees the server key is different from its stored copy and raises hell
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13:22<ml|>ok, yeah i get that, but can just add new key without deleting old one is what i'm asking
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13:24<ml|>it's being a while since i have had issues with ssh, memory not helping :(
13:25<locklace>why would you want that? the server only has one key, the old one is gone
13:25<Flakk>Hi people, I would like to remove the sshd from the autostart. Any help?
13:25<locklace>Flakk: add the line "exit 0" to /etc/default/ssh
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13:26<ml|>locklace: agreed doesn make sense, just curious
13:26<newsense>whats going on with kde in squeeze i have just tried to do an upgrade via aptitude and i am getting dependency conflicts with kdebase-bin
13:26<bja>Flakk: less /etc/init.d/README what you are looking for is there on your machine je je
13:26<tonytraductor> do I delete or regenerate the host key ont he client? googling is getting me no where
13:27<locklace>tonytraductor: it happens automatically, to repeat what's already been said here
13:27<tonytraductor>the client is running ubuntu (crunchbang linux, really, but that's ubuntu with openbox)
13:27<ml|>newsense: ask in #debian-kde
13:27<locklace>tonytraductor: you delete the line from known_hosts and do the ssh again. end of story.
13:27<newsense>ml|: great thanks
13:27<tonytraductor>oh sorry, I see ~/.ssh/known_hosts
13:27<cahoot>Flakk: update-rc.d /usr/sbin/sshd remove - looks like a syntactic misyake
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13:28<Flakk>cahoot yes it seems so, but I could not compose it correctly.
13:28<tonytraductor>I'm in
13:28<locklace>tonytraductor: observe also how much quicker the resolution would have been if you'd stated the exact error message at the outset instead of saying "it doesn't work"
13:29<tonytraductor>oddly, I uncommented Banner, but didn't see the text (These aren't the droids you're looking for...)
13:29<tonytraductor>yeah, really
13:29<Flakk>locklace: for the moment I have the one non-commented line in the file /etc/default/ssh, namely SSHD_OPTS=
13:29<locklace>Flakk: right, so just add the line
13:29<bja>tonytraductor: Usually if you read the error message, the solution is right there je je
13:30<ml|>tonytraductor: did you setup the
13:30<Flakk>should I add exit 0 after the "=" or in a new line?
13:30<locklace>Flakk: new line
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13:30<tonytraductor>yeah, I just added the text (Deathstar - These aren't the droids you're looking for...)
13:30<Flakk>locklace: ok thanx trying, but I would be curious: what this means ctually? )
13:30<bja>locklace: Thats cheating the script, but if it works I think its fair game :)
13:30<tonytraductor>oh, doh...but I didn't restart the sshd after changing that...has anyone seen my brain around here?
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13:31<locklace>Flakk: the ssh init script sources that options file when it's run, so adding the line makes the init script just exit silently
13:31<locklace>bja: in many cases it's cleaner in practice that screwing around with rc?.d links
13:31<tonytraductor>the one thing I had to do with ubuntu I didn't have to do here was manually update my IP at web interface
13:31<tonytraductor>the ubu ddclient needed some help
13:32<tonytraductor>no problem here with that, though
13:32<cahoot>Flakk: may one ask why you want to inhibit sshd?
13:32<ml|>tonytraductor: and did you ln to issue
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13:32<tonytraductor>no, was I supposed to do that?
13:33<Flakk>cahoot: i am using sshd very rarely actually only wneh connecting the destop to laotop via ethernet cable. So I just do not need it all the time
13:33<tonytraductor>I don't remember doing that before
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13:33<Flakk>thx - rebooting and trying
13:33<tonytraductor>I just told the sshd to Banner /etc/
13:33<tonytraductor>and edited
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13:33<tonytraductor>I think
13:35<ml|>tonytraductor: is it working without the ln
13:36<tonytraductor>it did when I had ubu
13:36<tonytraductor>made sense to me, since I pointed sshd to /etc/ specifically, and not /etc/issues
13:37<tonytraductor>from what I understand, I could point it to any text file, really, no?
13:37<tonytraductor>I just thought using was, more or less, standard practice
13:37<tonytraductor>anyway, I'm in, and that's the important thing.
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13:39<ml|>so did it issue... (Deathstar - These aren't the droids you're looking for...)
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13:39<tonytraductor>no, but I think that's just because I didn't restart sshd after editing the config and
13:40<thebloggu>can someone help me setting up samba to share the home directory of my user homeserver? it should connect to one windows xp, one windows vista and one ubuntu linux 9.04 machines. i am slightly noob in debian.
13:40<tonytraductor>huh...just restarted it and tried again, but didn't post the banner
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13:41<tonytraductor>not that important, really
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13:42<thebloggu>reinstalled samba right now, so what's next ?
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13:43<ml|>tonytraductor: if you want that msg ln -s to issue
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13:45<tonytraductor>I get ln: target `issue' is not a directory
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13:47<ml|>tonytraductor: here is the full command ln -s /etc/issue /etc/
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13:49<tonytraductor>oh, I cd /etc then just did it without the full paths
13:50<tonytraductor>but, like an idiot, I pasted your commmand with "to" in there
13:50<tonytraductor>then I did it without the "to", no error
13:50<tonytraductor>but the message still doesn't post
13:51<tarrasquero>si yo si
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13:52<bja>tarrasquero: Lanzate al canal #debian-es alla te ayudan
13:52<Flakk>locklace: this is again about sshd. I added "exit 0" to the /etc/default/ssh and indeed it does not autostart. However I have problem now, since I can not launch it anymore. Before I was saying /etc/init.d/sshd start now it obviously does not work. I mean, I do not want to suppress the OpenSSH server package from my DebianBox, (i could do it with "purge"), I just want that it does not launch every time I boot, but I want to be able to
13:52<Flakk> start it at any moment I need it. Any help?
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13:53<locklace>Flakk: of course you can start it: "/usr/sbin/sshd"
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13:54<tonytraductor>yeah, I restarted it with the full path like that
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13:55<ml|>tonytraductor: the message needs to go in /etc/issue
13:55<Flakk>locklace: Oh yes! I did it before, and it did not work, but forgot thta should be root. )) thx
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13:57<tarrasquero_>hola a todos
13:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:58<tonytraductor>ya me adjunte a #debian-es
13:58<tarrasquero_>eso intento jajajaja
13:58<tonytraductor>oh, veo ahora
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13:58<tonytraductor>wasn't talking to me
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14:00<panda>bonjours, quand j'ouvre une video ou un mp3 n'importe quel logiciel me le lie à la vitesse X2
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14:01<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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14:05<tonytraductor>may we help you?
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14:10<locklace>anyone else running testing with xscreensaver installed that can report whether the "webcollage" saver works for you
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14:12<StyXman>hi everybody. I'm running sid and I realized that I can't mount removable devices or suspend my machine because policykit denies me permission. is there any docs I should read, or any honts on what should I do?
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14:16<cahoot>polkit-gnome-authorization was suggested somewhere StyXman
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14:18<StyXman>hmm, but I have kde4 here... actually, kde4 from svn, not from packages. I will try that anyway
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14:29<bja>When will judd be back ?
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14:31<bja>Any comments on wxWidgets
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14:34<StyXman>cahoot: there's no polkit-gnome-authorization available
14:34<StyXman>only gksu-polkit
14:35<cahoot>StyXman: well I just ran it
14:35<cahoot>but - this is on gnome
14:37<StyXman>cahoot: ah, it's a excutable. I'll serach for it
14:38<StyXman>let's see
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14:43<fbt>has anyone been able to make Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller work on squeeze?
14:43<fbt>i'm on a fresh installation on this new PC, and haven't been able to make it work
14:44<fbt>kde4 tells me phonon couldn't use the device, and goes back to "default" or something similar
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14:45<k1lumin4t1>any GUI linux tool to create CD labels?
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14:45<cahoot>fbt: what if you simply test with speaker-test -t wav -c 2 ?
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14:46<fbt>cahoot: i'll check...
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14:47<andrew>why does nm-applet try to connect with my nic even though it isn't plugged in?
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14:49<cahoot>fbt: what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return?
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14:53<cahoot>pkill knotify4 and try speaker-test again
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14:55<fbt>it's apparently working, but i get no sound
14:55<fbt>amarok doesn't tell me xine couldn't start also, so i think this counts as some progress...
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14:56<cahoot> invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 - any result?
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14:57<fbt>done! i unmutedeverything on kmix and its working now!
14:57<s0ckz>wadup ppl
14:57<fbt>thanks cahoot , what would be the reason for this problem?
14:57<s0ckz>Yo can i get some help here or...
14:58<fbt>s0ckz: yeah, just ask
14:58<s0ckz>you guys gonna shoot me in the face and hang me from a tree
14:58<cahoot>I'd guess - no idea what it's for
14:58<s0ckz>oh alright then
14:58<fbt>cahoot: great thanks, I'll just disable knotify then
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14:59<s0ckz>When im applying a patch.. do i need to download the linux kernel source file.. then apply the patch to that kernel source.. and then recompile that source i just patched?
15:00<Bunnyh_>that's right, if you're talking about a kernel patch
15:00<s0ckz>ja i am
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15:01<Bunnyh_>you can also compile the kernel as a debian package, which is a bit neater than just compiling and copying the files
15:01<s0ckz>and how would i go about doing that?
15:02<Bunnyh_>I've been using the make-kpkg command, which comes with kernel-package
15:03<s0ckz>so then.. once ive patched the source.. i can use that make-kpkg command and it will do what...
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15:04<s0ckz>wtf.. this irc has no host masks..
15:04<s0ckz>thats pretty.. wierd.
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15:05<s0ckz>ive got a better question
15:05<Bunnyh_>"make-kpkg linux_image" will create a .deb file in the directory where the kernel source directory is located, you will also need fakeroot and --rootcmd fakeroot if you don't want to compile it as aroot
15:05<s0ckz>But here, this better suits what im really after
15:05<s0ckz>You know that config_software_suspend error?
15:05<s0ckz>Well, if i patch my kernel.. will patching it fix that?
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15:06<s0ckz>Because that error is the one thing that keeps screwing up all my GUI installations
15:07<Bunnyh_>anything related to suspending and advanced power managament is pretty much out of my limits, I'm only using desktop systems and servers. have you checked the options in the vanilla kernel related to those already?
15:08<s0ckz>does the vanilla kernel come in debian-5.0?
15:08<Bunnyh_>I've just heard that suspending in linux is still somewhat tricky, and am glad to not have to use that :)
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15:08<s0ckz>does the vanilla kernel come in debian-5.0?
15:09<Bunnyh_>there are kernel source packages, and there's but you really have to know what you're doing, when you're skimming through the kernel config selecting features
15:09<s0ckz>i know what im doing.. its just that i dont know which patch will fix that one damn error
15:10<s0ckz>do the newer versions of the kernel have those suspending errors?
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15:11<Bunnyh_>do you have the file /proc/config or /proc/config.gz ?
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15:14<s0ckz>i have niether
15:15<Bunnyh_>well, you should at least know if your kernel has CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND enable before thinking about any patches, I guess you are not sure?
15:15<s0ckz>I dont see a config file anywhere
15:15<s0ckz>even used find / -
15:15<s0ckz>and nothing
15:15<s0ckz>so its not my fault if its not there
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15:16<Bunnyh_>compiling (or downloading) a kernel which is known to have that feature enabled would be the logical next step in my opinion
15:16<s0ckz>i agree there
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15:16<Bunnyh_>but in all likelihood, it does not need a patch, it's just not enabled by default for some reason
15:17<s0ckz>last question
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15:17<s0ckz>i can upgrade the kernel right?
15:17<s0ckz>like if its 2.6.26
15:17<s0ckz>i can get it to whatever is most current correct?
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15:18<Bunnyh_>most likely, though it's always wise to backup the latest kernel that's known to work, especially if you are installing a precompiled kernel
15:18<s0ckz>Well, im talking about the latest stable version
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15:19<s0ckz>*I meant most current stable version*
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15:20<Bunnyh_>it all depends on what options are compiled in the kernel, I'm not sure about the default kernels, but they should be designed to work with most systems
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15:20<s0ckz>well all im looking for is a kernel with a god damn config file rofl
15:20<s0ckz>i have one that doesnt freakin have one
15:21<Bunnyh_>hehe, the option to have /proc/config or /proc/config.gz is configurable in the kernel, and for some stupid reason it's not enable in the default kernel you're using
15:21<Bunnyh_>so the users can't even check what is enabled and what isn't
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15:22<Bunnyh_>maybe that information is available somewhere else, don't know about that
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15:22<s0ckz>that was defenetly some sort of oxy moron
15:23<s0ckz>the option to have it is configurable.. but its not enabled for you to configure it.. therefore.. you cant configure a config file.
15:24<s0ckz>Wait bunny
15:24<s0ckz>you use debian 4 or 5?
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15:24<Bunnyh_>it's just a virtual file you can use to check the configuration of the running kernel, you have to compile a new one to change anything even if you had that file...
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15:25<s0ckz>I understand that.. im just saying.. how am i supposed to configure it if i cant even find it
15:25<s0ckz>Hell, find / - couldnt even find it -_-
15:26<s0ckz>so how would i be able to
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15:27<Bunnyh_>If you want to modify the kernel, you are supposed to download the kernel source package, configure and compile it by hand. of course the old configuration would help in that, but if it's not available you have to start from scratch, and find out what options you have to enable. it is time consuming :)
15:27<cahoot>s0ckz: look in /boot
15:27<Bunnyh_>yup, didn't remember that, /boot can also have a copy of the file
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15:28<s0ckz>it doesnt
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15:28<s0ckz>because as i just said
15:28<cahoot>then it's not debian
15:28<s0ckz>just checked in boot
15:28<locklace>s0ckz: what's the problem
15:29<s0ckz>and there is nothing in boot
15:29<Bunnyh_>nothing?? how did you boot then? :)
15:29<s0ckz>beats the shit outa me
15:29<s0ckz>but nuthins in thar
15:29<cahoot>obviously not all of it
15:29<s0ckz>none of it
15:29<s0ckz>i can take a pic right now if it pleases
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15:30<Bunnyh_>if your /boot containts absolutely nothing, and you don't have a special, unmounted filesystem for /boot, I have no idea what could be going on there
15:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 412] by debhelper
15:31<s0ckz>im on a vps..
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15:33<Bunnyh_>umm, you are running on a virtual server and thinking about suspending it? isn't that impossible?
15:33<s0ckz>im NOT trying to suspend the whole thing..
15:33<s0ckz>im trying to install xfce
15:34<s0ckz>so i can setup a gui
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15:37<Bunnyh_>I guess you need someone with real knowledge about virtual servers and suspending, I have yet to try the former and couldn't care less about the latter. Still seems strange that you would need suspending ability on a virtual server, though
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15:37<s0ckz>why does that seem strange.?
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16:01<neodragon>I am considering installing debian 5.0.1 on my main PC because my ubuntu install continues to degrade over time, does any one know which version of kde is included in debian 5.0.1 by default?
16:02<neodragon>you mean haven't upgraded to kde 4 yet?
16:04<tonytraductor>why do I have to install the entire dwm package to get slock? that's just silly...
16:04<tonytraductor>kde sucks....install dwm
16:04<Bunnyh_>having to install hal and dbus to get xorg, now that is even more silly
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16:05<Bunnyh_>but I guess that has been covered already on some debates... :)
16:05<tonytraductor>I like dwm, to tell the truth. I'm using it on my laptop
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16:05<tonytraductor>I just kind of thought it was silly to have to install it to get slock
16:06<tonytraductor>because I'm using ion3 on this box
16:06<locklace>!lart hal and dbus
16:06*dpkg steals hal and dbus's mojo
16:06<abrotman>neoXsys: lenny won't get 4.x
16:06<abrotman>neoXsys: not officially anyways
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16:06<tonytraductor>I'm running lenny
16:06<tonytraductor>I tried to install OOo3.0.1 from source and failed
16:06<tonytraductor>but then I read it was causing problems in squeeze, anyway
16:07<tonytraductor>and ))0 2.4 does everything I need anyway
16:07<tonytraductor>OOo 2.4 that is
16:07<tonytraductor>but some old stuff I can't tolerate
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16:07<tonytraductor>I'm the l10n coordinator for OmegaT, so need to keep up with that, and the lenny repos have 1.2.0, while we're now on 2.0.2
16:08<tonytraductor>but that was easy enough to amend
16:08<tonytraductor>I meant, the repos have 1.7.0
16:08<tonytraductor>and 2.0.2 is a HUGE leap ahead from that
16:08<ml|>dpkg: tell tonytraductor about backports
16:08<tonytraductor>window 4
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16:09<locklace>abrotman: don't feel bad, tonytraductor sometimes goes into write-only mode
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16:11<tonytraductor>okay, i added backports to my sources.list
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16:13<steffan>tonytraductor: 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get -t <version>-backports install “package”'
16:13<tonytraductor>that won't have any affect on aptitude upgrade, right? since I have to specify -t lenny backports to get a backport pdg?
16:13<abrotman>!why aptitude
16:13<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
16:13<tonytraductor>I saw that
16:13<abrotman>tonytraductor: did you actually read the instructions at ?
16:13<ml|>aptitude ftw
16:15<tonytraductor>GPG error: lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
16:15<tonytraductor>yeah, looking at the instructions at
16:16<tonytraductor>o i c....didn't import the key
16:16<tonytraductor>doing that nows
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16:16<ml|>install debian-backports-keyring
16:16<abrotman>maybe he should read the instructions instead of you spoon-feeding him
16:17<tonytraductor>I just did it
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16:23*tonytraductor likes Debian...
16:24<tonytraductor>I feel all toasty and warm inside using debian
16:24<tonytraductor>I have to say, I really like iceweasel and icedove, too
16:24<tonytraductor>I had dumped FF and Tbird, and was using seamonkey, for a while, but I never used the composer or irc components
16:24<tonytraductor>but FF and Tbird were annoying me
16:24<tonytraductor>they really aren't fast
16:25<tonytraductor>iceweasel and icedove are faster
16:25<jackyf>tonytraductor: you can to send kudos to upstream and maintainers ;)
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16:27<steffan>tonytraductor: you do know that you can use "," instead of [ENTER]
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16:28<ml|>tonytraductor: congrats :)
16:30<tonytraductor>allright...I'm going to go take the dog for a walk
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16:31<jeancalvin1>what program do i need to adjust/set CPU Frequency?
16:32<jeancalvin1>ml|: thanks
16:32<jeancalvin1>will try it now
16:32<jeancalvin1>how do i install? (I'm a newbie)
16:33<ml|>aptitude install cpufrequtils
16:33<ml|>and sysfsutils
16:34<jeancalvin1>i need to install sysfsutils?
16:34<jeancalvin1>also, how do i figure out what frequency my CPU is currently running at?
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16:35<ml|>but you must have cpu capable
16:35<luismx>hola gente
16:35<Bunnyh_>isn't powernowd easier to configure? I haven't even tried cpufrequtils, since powernowd does the job so easily, as is advertised on its package detail
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16:35<ml|>Bunnyh_: never used that
16:35<luismx>nuevo en esto
16:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:35<luismx>alguna novedad?
16:36<luismx>im mexican
16:36<Bunnyh_>you can see your cpu frequency from /proc/cpuinfo
16:36<jeancalvin1>ml|: you said "but you must have cpu capable". what do you mean?
16:36<ml|>well it´s still spanish
16:36<cahoot>jeancalvin1: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
16:37<jeancalvin1>cahoot: it says 1000000
16:37<jeancalvin1>is that in hertz?
16:37<Bunnyh_>that would be quite slow :)
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16:37<ml|>of sclaing or however itś spell
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16:38<jeancalvin1>what's quite slow? 1000000? and what unit is 1000000?
16:38<ml|>jeancalvin1: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"
16:38<Bunnyh_>1000000 Hz = 1MHz. maybe it's kHz ?
16:38<jeancalvin1>AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
16:39<ml|>modprobe powernow_k8
16:40<ml|>then modprobe cpufreq_ondemand
16:40<Bunnyh_>cpuinfo displays the frequency clearly in MHz for me, and show the correct value when it is scaled by powernowd as well... dunno why you are checking the raw(?) values from /sys
16:41<ml|>the check that itś working with ... cpufreq-info
16:43<ml|>jeancalvin1: is it working?
16:43<jeancalvin1>what's working?
16:44<ml|>lol, ok
16:45<jeancalvin1>ml|: no, it's not a joke.
16:45<jeancalvin1>i'm just lost.
16:45<ml|>jeancalvin1: did you read what i typed above was for you
16:46<Bunnyh_>doesn't cat /prc/cpuinfo show you the line, like this one:
16:46<Bunnyh_>cpu MHz : 1000.000
16:46<jeancalvin1>Bunnyh_: yes, thanks
16:47<Bunnyh_>for your processor, it should be over 2000 by default
16:47<jeancalvin1>mine is 1000.0000 by default
16:47<Bunnyh_>it's scaled down then, and working
16:47<jeancalvin1>which is half as you say
16:47<Bunnyh_>same as mine
16:47<jeancalvin1>BUT you said it should be 2000 BY DEFAULT. mine is 1000 without my mucking around
16:47<ml|>jeancalvin1: type cpuinfo
16:47<jeancalvin1>i'm confused
16:48<Bunnyh_>if you just followed ml|'s instructions, you installed the scaling, and so it was lowered from the default
16:48<ml|>Bunnyh_: right
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16:49<ml|>jeancalvin1: did try what i suggested
16:49<jeancalvin1>what was your suggestion? cpufreq-info?
16:49<jeancalvin1>i did cpufreq-info?
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16:49<jeancalvin1>sorry ? --> .
16:49<ml|>pastebin the output of cpufreq-info
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16:51<ml|>jeancalvin1: did do what i suggested above and itś working
16:52<Bunnyh_>it's working fine, the modprobe powernow_k8 command loaded the driver for your processor
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16:52<Bunnyh_>that's quite simple in linux, I found out some time ago as well
16:52<ml|>but a few more things to make it permanent
16:52<jeancalvin1>hold on. ok. let me tell you why i want to adjust CPU frequency:
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16:52<ml|>if you want
16:53<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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16:53<jeancalvin1>I have an eeepc. it's got an internal mic. it doesnt' seem to pick up my voice , even after playing around with alsamixer. I read and now it says i need to manually control CPU frequency
16:54<jeancalvin1>that forum post is for ubuntu users. my eeepc has debian-eeepc installed, so i don't think i can follow their steps the way they are. that was what lead me to ask about cpu frequency adjusting.
16:55<ml|>jeancalvin1: with what you did it will control the frequency as needed, you can set to a lower power consumption
16:55<Bunnyh_>seems that you need to load the performance governor instead of ondemand
16:56<ml|>conservative, which also sets the CPU dynamically, but less aggressively then the ondemand governor (ideal for laptops) :
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16:57<ml|>this what is set to right now ondemand, which sets the CPU speed dynamically depending on the work load (ideal for desktops) : cpufreq_ondemand
16:59<jeancalvin1>do we want a lower power consumption when we're using the mic (which easypeasy post says requires a high CPU frequency)?
16:59<locklace>heh, that "solution" is totally bogus
16:59<jeancalvin1>locklace: which solution
16:59<ml|>if you want to use cpufreq_conservative modprobe -r cpufreq_ondemand, then modprobe cpufreq_conservative and verify with cpufreq-info
17:00<locklace>the "screw with the cpu frequency to make the mic work" solution
17:00<ml|>why would higher cpu make mic work
17:00<locklace>there's some basic bug here somewhere, suggest you actually find out what that bug is and get the fix
17:00<locklace>if you're totally lost, try a current kernel and/or some other app
17:00<jeancalvin1>you might be right... locklace. When I plug in an external headset into my 2G debian, skype call testing works fine. but when I unplug the headset and try using the internal mic, sound quality is bad
17:01<jeancalvin1>ml|: Are you saying that a higher cpu freq won't make a mic work?
17:01<ml|>jeancalvin1: besides that itś good to use cpu sclaing
17:01<locklace>the very idea is absurd
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17:01<ml|>jeancalvin1: you said that not me
17:02<jeancalvin1>ml|: yes i did. I didn't know whether your question was really a statement (the statement being that you don't believe that a higher CPU makes a mic work)
17:03<ml|>right why would higher cpu make a difference, like locklace said nust be a bug or something
17:03<jeancalvin1>could the sound quality when using an internal mic be bad due to the closeness of the internal mic with the internal speakers? (this is, after all, an eeepc)
17:03<locklace>ml| was just falling off his chair stunned at the sheer implausibility of the notion
17:03<ml|>locklace: hehe
17:03<ml|>jeancalvin1: that might be
17:03<jeancalvin1>locklace: ok. but to a newbie, it's not clear if he's stunned or if he really seeks an answer to the question.
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17:04<ml|>jeancalvin1: besides that itś good to use cpu sclaing
17:04<locklace>jeancalvin1: anything's possible, but suggest you begin by looking for a more reliable source of information than that forum. there are lots of eee pc users out there
17:04<jeancalvin1>locklace: yes. i'll check
17:04<jeancalvin1>thank you ml|. thank you locklace. have a good day.
17:04<locklace>jeancalvin1: i also gave some specific suggestions to try, above
17:04<ml|>jeancalvin1: want to make sclaing permanent i would
17:05<jeancalvin1>locklace: your suggestions: 1. use another app. 2. update kernel
17:05<jeancalvin1>don't know how to update kernel
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17:06<locklace>jeancalvin1: trying with other apps will tell you whether it's a skype thing or an alsa/driver problem
17:06<jeancalvin1>i see.
17:06<locklace>jeancalvin1: what kernel version are you using now
17:06<jeancalvin1>locklace: how can i tell my kernel ver?
17:06<locklace>jeancalvin1: uname -r
17:06<locklace>jeancalvin1: maybe try with arecord, think that uses the mic
17:06<jeancalvin1>my debian eeepc is running
17:07<ml|>judd: kernel
17:07<bja>ml|: Latest version of screen is 4.00.03
17:07<locklace>jeancalvin1: so first try with other app, if it's still bad then try with kernel package from sid, lots of netbook driver updates in the kernel between .26 and .29+
17:07<bja>bot killer je je
17:07<ml|>bja: hi heh
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17:08<jeancalvin1>locklace: re: your "try another app" experiment. won't that be unnecessary? since EXTERNAL mic works fine in SKype, but not internal mic.
17:08<ml|>Screen version 4.00.03jw4 (FAU) 2-May-06
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17:08<jeancalvin1>the problem, it seems to me, is not with skype app.
17:08<locklace>jeancalvin1: so try the internal mic with another app
17:08<ml|>bja: not that far behind
17:08<bja>ml|: Hi there took a look at the gnu site and it happens that the stable version of screen is the one we have
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17:09<jeancalvin1>what's the simplest app i can test my internal mic with?
17:09<bja>ml|: I've tried to reproduce the glitch to no avail, any luck there
17:09<locklace>jeancalvin1: having to repeat myself now. try arecord
17:09<ml|>bja: yes read what you said yesterday :)
17:09<ml|>bja: not since
17:09<jeancalvin1>locklace: will try arecord . thanks for repeating your self. I repeat: thanks for repeating yourself. 8-)
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17:10<jeancalvin1>locklace: couldn't find package arecord
17:10<ml|>jeancalvin1: lets finish setting cpu freq sclaing
17:10<jeancalvin1>ml|: what for?
17:10<jeancalvin1>i just want my internal mic to work
17:11<jeancalvin1>but if that will help, pls tell me
17:11<ml|>better battery life etc... but ok
17:11<jeancalvin1>ml|: i LOVE better battery life. Any downsides to setting CPU freq scaling?
17:12<ml|>none that i know of
17:12<jeancalvin1>ml|: ok. let's do it.
17:12<jeancalvin1>i was doing the stuff you told me on my desktop comp. could you tell me the steps again, PRETTY PLEASE?
17:12<locklace>jeancalvin1: man arecord
17:13<jeancalvin1>locklace: that works.
17:13<ml|>jeancalvin1: itś good for desktop too
17:13<jeancalvin1>ml|: ok. but can you repeat from step 1 again, please
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17:13<ml|>jeancalvin1: cpufreq-info on desktop first the will do eeepc
17:14<ml|>bja: will let you know if it happens again
17:14<bja>ml|: thx
17:15<jeancalvin1>if cpu freq scaling has all Good and NO bad, why don't debian os put in by default?
17:15<ml|>jeancalvin1: now ...
17:15<ml|>echo ondemand | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
17:15<ml|>and... echo ondemand | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
17:16<jeancalvin1>ml|: "echo ondemand | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" gives: ondemand
17:16<ml|>and cpu1?
17:16<locklace>that tells you tee is working. very reassuring
17:16<jeancalvin1> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor: No such file or directory
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17:17<locklace>sometimes i wake up in the middle of the night plagued by fears that tee(1) has suddenly stopped working
17:18<ml|>echo ondemand | tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
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17:18<locklace>anyway, it was the default last time i checked
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17:18<jeancalvin1>ml|: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor: No such file or directory
17:19<jeancalvin1>sorry, let me put in nicely, again....
17:19<jeancalvin1>ml|: echo ondemand | tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
17:19<jeancalvin1>tee: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor: No such file or directory
17:19<ml|>which is it?
17:20<jeancalvin1>check this out ml|
17:20*tonytraductor watched movies ondemand
17:21<ml|>jeancalvin1: this not an x2?
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17:21<jeancalvin1>what's "an x2"?
17:21<ml|>one core or two looks like one
17:21<jeancalvin1>ml|: i'm not sure
17:21<locklace>it's an eee pc
17:22<locklace>you think they put dual-core processors in those?
17:22<kop>Where do I go to look at popcon stats?
17:22<locklace>be glad it has even one core
17:22<ml|>locklace: this on his desktop :P
17:22<jeancalvin1>ml|: yes, i'm currently working on desktop
17:23<locklace>oh, all right then
17:23<ml|>procat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"
17:23<ml|>cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"
17:23<kop>cahoot : Thanks. Been searching and just coundn't find it.
17:23<locklace>nooo. oh well. "useless use of cat" award goes to ml|
17:24<ml|>jeancalvin1: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"
17:24<jeancalvin1>model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
17:24<locklace>for the love of god man. "grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo"
17:24<ml|>ah one core looks like it
17:25<ml|>so forget echo ondemand | tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
17:25<jeancalvin1>locklace: it seems after some tweaking wiht alsamixer, i found optimum capture levels on alsamixer.
17:26<locklace>jeancalvin1: so what are you saying, the internal mic suddenly works now?
17:26<jeancalvin1>locklace: yes.
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17:26<ml|>e echo speedstep_centrino | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
17:26<ml|>no lol
17:26<locklace>jeancalvin1: lesson for posterity: when sound problems occur, try sound mixer settings before cpu frequency adjustment.
17:26<immolo>Hi, does anyone know the switch for tar to stop it adding path names to tar files?
17:27<ml|>jeancalvin1: echo powernow_k8 | tee -a /etc/modules
17:27<jeancalvin1>locklace: yes. maybe one day, computers will be smart enough to not have to be tweaked whether in their sound mixer settings or in their CPU frequency settings
17:28<ml|>jeancalvin1: then... echo cpufreq_ondemand | tee -a /etc/modules
17:28<jeancalvin1>ml|: re: echo powernow....
17:29<ml|>jeancalvin1: as root
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17:29<locklace>immolo: doesn't work that way, why do you think you need it?
17:29<jeancalvin1>ml|: i was root. i was sudo. isn't sudo=root?
17:29<jeancalvin1>if not, how do i do root?
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17:30<ml|>jeancalvin1: then... echo cpufreq_ondemand | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
17:30<tonytraductor>root = su
17:30<immolo>locklace- just slightly annoying having /home/immolo to click through first in my tar
17:30<locklace>immolo: so create the tar with /home/immolo as the cwd?
17:30<locklace>immolo: either by cd-ing into it first or with -C
17:30<ml|>jeancalvin1: first then the above echo powernow_k8 | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
17:31<immolo>locklace- -c /home/immolo -cvf blah.tar
17:31<locklace>C, man! case matters
17:31<ml|>jeancalvin1: got all that?
17:31<immolo>locklace- dodgy shift button :P
17:32<jeancalvin1>ml|: no, i don't get it. i tried su echo powernow.... it still says permission denied
17:32<ml|>jeancalvin1: ok one sec
17:32<ml|>jeancalvin1: echo powernow_k8 | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
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17:32<ml|>jeancalvin1: then... echo cpufreq_ondemand | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
17:33<ml|>got it now?
17:33<jeancalvin1>echo powernow_k8 | sudo tee -a /etc/modules ---> gives me: powernow_k8
17:33<ml|>great now the other
17:33<jeancalvin1> echo cpufreq_ondemand | sudo tee -a /etc/modules -----> gives me cpufreq_ondemand
17:33<ml|>great :)
17:33<ml|>one more thing
17:34<ml|>edit the file /etc/sysfs.conf with ...
17:34<ml|>devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = ondemand
17:34<ml|>as root
17:34<ml|>or with sudo
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17:35<jeancalvin1>ml|: ok. let me figure that out.
17:35<ml|>when done verify with cpufreq-info, pastebin plz
17:37<jeancalvin1>ml|: i don't see the sysfs.conf file
17:37<jeancalvin1>should i make a new file called that?
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17:39<ml|>jeancalvin1: here is a cp of mine ...
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17:40<jeancalvin1>yours have all #
17:40<jeancalvin1>that means they are remarks, right?
17:40<ml|>add the above, yes
17:40<jeancalvin1>ml|: do i create a new sysfs.conf file?
17:41<ml|>yes in /etc/
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17:41<ml|>sudo vim /etc/sysfs.conf
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17:41<jeancalvin1>ml|: so i have lines 1-22 of your pastebin file. anything else?
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17:42<jeancalvin1>Should i add devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = ondemand
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17:42<jeancalvin1>ml|: why have lines 1-22 if they are all hashed out ?
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17:43<ml|>so you know what that file is for
17:43<jeancalvin1> done
17:43<jeancalvin1>added devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = ondemand
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17:43<ml|>in /etc/sysfs.conf ?
17:43<Maavy>How do I use Wine?
17:43<ml|>dpkg: tell Maavy abot wine
17:44<jeancalvin1>ml|: yes.
17:44<ml|>dpkg: tell Maavy about wine
17:44<abrotman>you already did that
17:44<ml|>abrotman: typo read up
17:44<abrotman>ml|: and that still isn't very helpful
17:44<abrotman>Maavy: what do you want to know?
17:45<ml|>abrotman: i don use wine better than no info
17:45<Maavy>I want to know how do I open the windows apps with wine...
17:45<abrotman>ml|: so don't answer
17:45<abrotman>Maavy: which kind of applicatoins?
17:45<Maavy>I already installed it with apt-get, but I can't open the windows apps over here
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17:46<Maavy>I need to install it first, and the installer is an .exe
17:46<ed_debian>what is the migration process?
17:46<ml|>jeancalvin1: ok want to try in eeepc
17:46<abrotman>Maavy: normally you setup wine .. and then run the windows apps installed under your wine_root .. like wine path/to/foo.exe
17:46<abrotman>ed_debian: be less vague
17:46<Maavy>how do i do it?
17:46<jeancalvin1>ml|: are we done on my ubuntu desktop computer?
17:46<ml|>jeancalvin1: ubuntu?
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17:46<ed_debian>The process show by top?
17:46<jeancalvin1>ml|: yes, my desktop is ubuntu
17:46<ml|>you are not using debian
17:47<Maavy>I'm a newbie with linux x)
17:47<jeancalvin1>ml|: my eeepc is a debian
17:47<abrotman>ed_debian: oh .. it's a kernel thing IIRC
17:47<Maavy>how do I setup wine? x.x
17:47<valdyn>Maavy: aptitude install wine
17:47<jeancalvin1>ml|: should i undo everything we did on my ubuntu?
17:47<ml|>jeancalvin1: you didn mention that
17:47<Maavy>apt-get install wine is okay too?
17:47<jeancalvin1>ml|: sorry.
17:47<valdyn>Maavy: yes
17:47<valdyn>Maavy: youd best forget about wine though
17:47<ed_debian>abrotman, Thank you!
17:47<ml|>jeancalvin1: np that should be fine tho
17:47<valdyn>Maavy: its not useful in general
17:47<jeancalvin1>are you sure?
17:48<Maavy>It's because
17:48<Maavy>my dad
17:48<Maavy>wants to play a windows game in debian...
17:48<abrotman>stop hitting the enter key
17:48<valdyn>Maavy: most games dont work in wine
17:48<ml|>jeancalvin1: it should not give you probelms
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17:48<jeancalvin1>ml|: ok. shall we proceed to eeepc that is running debian?
17:48<abrotman>Maavy: which game? did you check the winehq app database to see if it might work ?
17:48<Maavy>Hmm... but he wants it... xD
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17:48<valdyn>Maavy: but maybe you are lucky, or maybe you even looked at the wine appdb
17:48<Maavy>I'll see
17:48<Maavy>1 sec
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17:49<ml|>jeancalvin1: if you want reboot desktop to see
17:49<jeancalvin1>ml|: see what?
17:49<jeancalvin1>what difference will i see?
17:49<ml|>if it works, it should but letś verify
17:50<ml|>the scaling
17:50<jeancalvin1>ml|: ok.
17:50<jeancalvin1>let me save my stuff for 10 seconds.
17:50<Maavy>It works, platinum rating ;)
17:50<ml|>without having to redo this again and since itś ubuntu
17:50<Maavy>So, how'd I open it?
17:51<jeancalvin1>ml|: ok. i'm ready to reboot my desktop that is running UBUNTU.
17:51<jeancalvin1>shall i now?
17:51<abrotman>jeancalvin1: are you trying to fix debian or ubuntu ?
17:51<ml|>sure :)
17:51<jeancalvin1>ml|: brb
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17:52<Maavy>And the game is PokerStars. =P
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17:52<s0ckz>hey uh
17:52<s0ckz>The config file to the kernel.. would it be under /scripts?
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17:52<ml|>abrotman: he didn mention it was ubuntu till the very end
17:53<s0ckz>cuz thats the only place i saw any config fil
17:53<abrotman>s0ckz: /boot/
17:53<s0ckz>omfg not again
17:53<s0ckz>theres no config file under boot
17:53<s0ckz>i just checked
17:53<s0ckz>over and over again
17:53<abrotman>s0ckz: what does `cat /proc/version` say ?
17:53<Maavy>how would I use Wine? I just looked at appdb and the rating for the game is platinum.
17:54<valdyn>Maavy: have you installed wine?
17:54<s0ckz>abrotman, gimme a sec
17:54<valdyn>Maavy: then the next step would be to read the documentation
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17:54<abrotman>jeancalvin1: are you trying to fix debian or ubuntu ?
17:54<jeancalvin1>ml|: i'm back
17:54<Maavy>for wine?
17:55<jeancalvin1>abrotman: desktop is ubuntu. eeepc is debian. both are being worked on.
17:55<Maavy>is it on wine's website or there is a terminal command for it? (i'm noob in linux :P)
17:55<valdyn>Maavy: wine setup.exe
17:55<abrotman>jeancalvin1: no .. which one is broken .. this channel does not support ubuntu
17:55<ml|>jeancalvin1: pastebin cpufreq-info
17:55<valdyn>Maavy: run wine <program you want to run>
17:55<tonytraductor>w0w...are there always lotso people in here looking for ubuntu help?
17:55<abrotman>yes ..
17:55<valdyn>Maavy: that would probably be an installer in your case
17:55<abrotman>jeancalvin1: which system are you currently trying to fix?
17:55<jeancalvin1>abrotman: if you won't talk about ubuntu, i won't either. :-D
17:55<tonytraductor>they should go to #ubuntu on
17:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:55<abrotman>jeancalvin1: you will get banned .. it's not funny
17:56<jeancalvin1>abrotman: i'm here for my debian eeepc's problems
17:56<ml|>jeancalvin1: pastebin cpufreq-info
17:56<jeancalvin1>hope that is clear.
17:56<abrotman>jeancalvin1: what does `uname -a` say ?
17:56<jeancalvin1>ml|: sorry. had some interruptions
17:56<s0ckz>abrotman, it says version 2.6.18-92.1.18.e15.028 etc..
17:56<abrotman>s0ckz: that's not a debian kernel, the debian kernels have the config in /boot/
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17:57<abrotman>ml|: if you want to support ubuntu, go to #ubuntu on
17:57<valdyn>s0ckz: vps?
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17:57<ml|>abrotman: relax he is using debian on eeepc
17:57<valdyn>s0ckz: check /proc/config*
17:57<abrotman>ml|: why don't you want for thet uname
17:57<ml|>abrotman: what
17:58<s0ckz>there is no config under /proc
17:58<s0ckz>only under /scripts
17:58<valdyn>s0ckz: thats not the right one
17:58<abrotman>jeancalvin1: what does `uname -a` say ?
17:58<s0ckz>well i know that lol
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17:58<valdyn>s0ckz: but if you have the source tree, then it should also have a .config file, mind the dot .
17:58<s0ckz>im just going to install a debian kernel then
17:58<ml|>jeancalvin1: great its working fine
17:58<jeancalvin1>ml|: all right
17:59<s0ckz>i dont have the source tree
17:59<valdyn>s0ckz: its a vps, you cant just use a debian kernel, likely
17:59<ml|>jeancalvin1: want to do eeepc
17:59<abrotman>jeancalvin1: please go to #ubuntu on freenode for ubuntu support
17:59<jeancalvin1>ml|: yes.
17:59<ml|>abrotman: he is using debian on eeepc relax
17:59<jeancalvin1>abrotman: i know about #ubuntu, and i use it for my ubuntu comps. I'm here because of my problems with my eeepc
17:59<abrotman>jeancalvin1: so show me `uname -a`
17:59<s0ckz>Well, i wasnt really pertaining to a debian kernel, more or less a more current kernel that has a config file rather than not :p
17:59<jeancalvin1>which runs DEBIAN-eeepc
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18:00<ml|>uname -a
18:00<ml|>Linux I531 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
18:00<abrotman>ml|: you're not helping
18:00<ml|>abrotman: incase you don believe me
18:00<abrotman>ml|: i don't care about your system ..
18:00<tonytraductor>can't you kids play nice?
18:01<jeancalvin1>ml|: as for the scaling on the eee
18:01<tonytraductor>or do I have to stand you in the corner for a time out?
18:01<s0ckz>Valdyn, like you said before, why cant i just use a debian kernel, likely?
18:01<abrotman>ml|: jeancalvin1 said he was going to boot into ubuntu .. he's using ubuntu .. go to #ubuntu to support him
18:01<ml|>jeancalvin1: plz do uname -a and paste here for abrotman
18:02<ml|>abrotman: jeez manrelax
18:02<valdyn>s0ckz: because its a vps and you dont know how or if you can make a proper kernel fir that virtual system
18:03<s0ckz>well.. regardless, couldnt i just get the source to the debian kernel, and then recompile the current kernel with the debian one?
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18:03<jeancalvin1>abrotman: i'm ready with my uname -a. but may i ask you some qusetions first?
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18:04<s0ckz>what the fuk
18:04<valdyn>s0ckz: maybe
18:04<valdyn>s0ckz: maybe you should ask the provider about it
18:05<s0ckz>Ya well, funny thing is, i rebuilt the OS as debian.. but the version now says its Red Hat..
18:05<s0ckz>any coincidence or what?
18:05<valdyn>s0ckz: maybe you need a xen kernel or whatever
18:05<valdyn>s0ckz: which "version" ?
18:05<tonytraductor>how did you go from debian to rh?
18:05<jeancalvin1>i await your response abrotman.
18:05<jeancalvin1>ml|: shall we continue?
18:05<s0ckz>i honestly have no effin clue
18:05<ml|>jeancalvin1: when you are ready
18:05<s0ckz>but im really serious
18:06<tonytraductor>I used RH and fedora for 8 years
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18:06<abrotman>jeancalvin1: i'm still waiting for your `cat /proc/version`
18:06<s0ckz>I rebuilt the OS under debian-5.0-i386
18:06<valdyn>s0ckz: if you say that the version is redhat , then obviously you must have a source telling you that its rh
18:06<s0ckz>and not my version says Red Hat 4.1.2-14
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18:06<valdyn>s0ckz: im just asking where you are seeing that version
18:06<jeancalvin1>abrotman: i'm happy to answer your questions if you would answer mine first.
18:07<s0ckz>i did cat /proc/version
18:07<valdyn>s0ckz: thats only the kernel
18:07<jeancalvin1>abrotman: would you be willing to answer a few questions?
18:07<s0ckz>u sure?
18:07<valdyn>s0ckz: sure im sure
18:07<s0ckz>well i dont fukin want a RH kernel
18:07<abrotman>jeancalvin1: you can ask whatever questions you would like .. as long as they are Debian support related
18:07<abrotman>s0ckz: you have a VPS .. you probably don't have much of a choice
18:07<s0ckz>figured that
18:08<jeancalvin1>abrotman: Question 1: Are you the moderator here?
18:08<s0ckz>But thats still some bullshit
18:08<s0ckz>I asked for debian not RH
18:08<abrotman>s0ckz: do you understand how a VPS works?
18:08<s0ckz>Do you think that could be why im having a few errors?
18:08<s0ckz>or it wouldnt really matter?
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18:08<jeancalvin1>abrotman: i'll stop with my first question. Here's what you seek:
18:08<ml|>jeancalvin1: cpufrequtils sysfsutils
18:09<ml|>install those
18:09<abrotman>wasn't what i asked for ..
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18:09<s0ckz>yes i know how a vps works
18:09<jeancalvin1>abrotman: u did
18:09<abrotman>jeancalvin1: and if you really need help with debian eeepc .. there is a #debian-eeepc that is probably better suited
18:09<jeancalvin1>abrotman: ml| is helping just fine. thanks
18:09<valdyn>s0ckz: sure a vps environment can be cause of problems, but thats a useless statement
18:10<s0ckz>Well look
18:10<ml|>jeancalvin1: didn there was eeepc channel sry
18:10<s0ckz>Maybe you guys can help me with my legit error?
18:10<valdyn>!tell s0ckz -about ask
18:11<s0ckz>Everytime i go to install xfce4, it gives me config_software_suspend
18:11<s0ckz>thnx valdyn
18:11<jeancalvin1>ml|: done
18:11<valdyn>s0ckz: complete error or paste or screenshot
18:11<jeancalvin1>...with installing both *utils
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18:11<ml|>jeancalvin1: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"
18:12<locklace>!uuoc ml|
18:12<s0ckz>jus gimme a sec cuz i need to get there again
18:12*dpkg hands ml| the "unnecessary use of cat" award
18:12<ml|>locklace: lol
18:12<jeancalvin500>ml|, model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 800MHz
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18:12<ml|>oh nice
18:12<jeancalvin1>what's so nice?
18:13<ml|>that's itś not some weird cpu
18:13<ml|>will make things easier
18:13<s0ckz>Full error:
18:15<s0ckz>"No userspace software suspend support in the kernel. The current kernel doesnt support userspace software suspend. Please recompile the kernel with the 'CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y' option."
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18:15<valdyn>s0ckz: just ignore that error
18:15<Maavy>How do I add my username in the sudoers file? .-.
18:15<s0ckz>i cant just IGNORE the rror
18:15<valdyn>s0ckz: why cant you?
18:15*tonytraductor ignores errors all the time...
18:15<s0ckz>the xfce service wont start because of it
18:16<noflash>Maavy, man visudo
18:16<valdyn>s0ckz: i dont think so
18:16<s0ckz>last time thats what happen
18:16<s0ckz>but i will try again
18:16<valdyn>s0ckz: that message is not a fatal error
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18:16<valdyn>s0ckz: nothing like xfce would depend on having sw suspend
18:16<s0ckz>ur right.. its a retard error
18:16<s0ckz>then why is it saying that...
18:16<s0ckz>forget i asked that
18:17<s0ckz>fact of the matter is, who cares.
18:17<s0ckz>well the error came up again..
18:17<ed_debian>I have a small problem. Sometimes for no reason my desktop responsiveness gets pathetic. My mouse gets all choppy and slow moving. I am been watching top for a while now but I can't see any sort of pattern. Any ideas?
18:17<s0ckz>so should i ignore it a second time?
18:17<valdyn>s0ckz: yes, ignore it
18:17<valdyn>s0ckz: is it in the user interface?
18:17<s0ckz>right on
18:17<Maavy>it still says i'm not in the sudoers file...
18:17<s0ckz>you mean like colored n shit?
18:18<valdyn>s0ckz: i dont understand why the error is bothering you
18:18<s0ckz>cuz its in blue and grey and red
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18:18<valdyn>s0ckz: a popup window?
18:18<abrotman>ed_debian: using flash at all?
18:18<valdyn>s0ckz: you need to disable whatever in xfce controls suspend
18:18<s0ckz>and it bothers me because errors are there for a reason. Because something isnt functioning properly
18:18<valdyn>s0ckz: your suspend is not functioning properly, thats expected, thats normal
18:19<Maavy>noflash: man visudo doesn't add me to the sudoers file... x.x
18:19<s0ckz>Well, its done compiling.. and it gave me three errors.
18:19<locklace>!space bar
18:19<dpkg>The space bar is the correct way to separate connected sentences on IRC. Please use it. The Return/Enter key is not a substitute.
18:19<ed_debian>abrotman, I have flash installed (the proprietary player) but the slowness doesn't seem to have any correspondence to playing youtube movies or anything else I can think of that's flash.
18:19<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
18:20<s0ckz>i like to think my spacebar is my enemy
18:20<abrotman>ed_debian: it could be a flash ad ...
18:20<dpkg>it has been said that sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>)
18:20<abrotman>ed_debian: when it's slow, and you run top, what's on top?
18:20<abrotman>Maavy: /msg dpkg foo
18:20<ed_debian>abrotman, Sometimes it happens when there is no browser at all.
18:20<locklace>ed_debian: (install and) run dstat, look for patterns in that output instead of just top.
18:20<ed_debian>locklace, ok
18:20<abrotman>ed_debian: are there any errors in dmesg ?
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18:21<locklace>ed_debian: also look at man dstat and dstat --list to see the things it can show you
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18:21<ed_debian>dmesg is clean other than the occasional re-authentication with my wifi
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18:22<s0ckz>Are those three things really needed to have xfce4 running?
18:22<ed_debian>I originally thought the problem was b43 (a process) so I changed it's nice value (I also bumped Xorg's nice value to -1) but it doesn't seem to have made a difference
18:22<s0ckz>udev,hal, and initramfs-tools
18:23<s0ckz>hey dpkg
18:23<s0ckz>guess what
18:23<ed_debian>I am using preload and backup2l might those be doing something? I am just confused why my mouse gets choppy but top reports nothing taking more than 20% cpu
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18:25<ml|>dpkg: tell s0ckz about dpkgbot
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18:26<s0ckz>like.. really really.
18:26<s0ckz>You didnt think i knew it was a bot?
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18:26<s0ckz>Yeah, because the ! when you were demanding him to be your slave didnt give that away
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18:27<Lish>can i register in this server (irc) ?
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18:28<ed_debian>Yeah i'm watching dstat and my mouse did get sticky (it happens randomly, which is what makes nailing it down so hard) and dstat -c reported that my cpu did jump to about 50 - 60 for a while under the usr column. Perhaps top just isn't refreshing often enough to catch the cluprit?
18:28<abrotman>Lish: /msg nickserv help
18:28<Lish>abrotman: thnx:)
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18:28<s0ckz>Ok.. if i just installed vncserver and xfce4.. and everything worked out just fine.. then why is it that i cant connect to my server via vncviewer
18:28<schweppp>hi all. have an interesting problem. my graphics card is fudged, and makes my screen show black as pink and white as green
18:28<s0ckz>and so..
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18:29<schweppp>i was wondering if anyone knows if there is a way to edit the outputed colours in xserver?
18:29<s0ckz>Isnt it clear that your graphics card is the problem?
18:29<ed_debian>schweppp, Does your card do the same thing in another machine?
18:29<s0ckz>Well, maybe you should.. put the card in another computer to see if its physically damaged
18:29<schweppp>yeah, but im skint and fancy trying to hack it
18:29<schweppp>its a laptop :(
18:29<s0ckz>well then your boned
18:30<abrotman>schweppp: xdpyinfo | grep depths
18:30<schweppp>but is there no way to tell xserver to not display black, instead dark grey
18:30<s0ckz>So anyone know why vnc wont let me connect?
18:30<s0ckz>anyone here use it?
18:30<schweppp>depths (7): 24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
18:31<ed_debian>schweppp, You're probably going to have pitifull performance from the card (essentially anything the card does (everything) needs to be computed on again by the main cpu.
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18:31<abrotman>schweppp: lspci | grep VGA
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18:32<schweppp>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
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18:33<schweppp>sockz, i use vnc and have no problems with it. firewall?
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18:34<s0ckz>no firewall on this vps
18:34<s0ckz>this is so anoing
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18:35<s0ckz>do you think its healthy if my eyeball sorta just made a sucking sound on its own?
18:35<schweppp>depends if you have an insect in it or not
18:35<locklace>s0ckz: it's not just your eyeball
18:36<schweppp>socks, try netstat -putan to check the service is listening
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18:38<s0ckz>locklace.. your hilarious
18:38<ed_debian>s0ckz, What exactly isn't working about VNC?
18:38<ed_debian>explain in more detail what you're doing
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18:38<s0ckz>Client side, when i type int he IP adress to my server.. it waits for two seconds then says.. Failed to connect to server.
18:38<s0ckz>das it
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18:39<ed_debian>s0ckz, how did you set up vnc? Did you just install the package?
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18:41<ed_debian>s0ckz, Can you ping your server?
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18:41<ed_debian>s0ckz, are you doing this on an intranet?
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18:42<s0ckz>i setup vnc via a package
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18:42<s0ckz>and yes.. first thing i did was ping the server to find out if it was dead or not
18:43<s0ckz>and it wasnt
18:43<ed_debian>on the server System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop
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18:43<schweppp>socks, nmap ur server and see if the port is open
18:43<ed_debian>you have to go in there on check the "Allow other users to view your desktop" box before your server will accept connections
18:43<s0ckz>i dont have a gui dude..
18:44<s0ckz>i do everything via ssh
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18:44<valdyn>s0ckz: on server: netstat -plunt | grep -i vnc
18:44<ed_debian>s0ckz, then what will VNC do?
18:44<valdyn>s0ckz: on client: telnet servername portnumber to try if you can connect
18:44<s0ckz>Well, thats what xfce4 comes in for..
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18:45<s0ckz>how do i figure out what port number my server is?
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18:45<valdyn>s0ckz: thats what netstat plunt does
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18:45<s0ckz>oh alright
18:45<valdyn>s0ckz: vnc port numbers also are mapped from the vnc display number
18:45<aron>Can someone help with a connecting-to-the-internet problem on etch?
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18:46<valdyn>s0ckz: i.e. vnc display 0 is plus 0, display 1 is plus one etc
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18:46<MasterVip>whats your from?
18:47<MasterVip>I from Argentina :O
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18:47<dpkg>rumour has it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on
18:47<ml|>dpkg: tell aron about ask
18:48<schweppp>hey aron, whats ur question?
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18:48<aron>I have one user who can't connect to the internet
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18:48<aron>Everyone else can
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18:48<schweppp>but its connected to the network?
18:49<nicholas_>i did a debian unstable dist-upgrade (first in a long time) and now X doesn't find a corepointer/corekeyboard. it claims it gets this from HAL and lshal shows no input.* fields at all.
18:49<nicholas_>any ideas what i should check next?
18:49<aron>I'm logged in now, but if I log into the network as that user first, there's no connection, even when I logout and log in as someone else
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18:50<aron>users and groups has everything checked for that user
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18:51<vinicius>hi! since my last update on sid xorg doesnt want to load nvidia drivers
18:51<vinicius>nvidia driver is properly set on xorg.conf
18:51<s0ckz>yo do you guys think it would be better to install xfce4 manually or do it through the package
18:52<vinicius>have you guys seen some people with the same problem recently due to updates?
18:52<ml|>vinicius: new kernel?
18:52<nicholas_>s0ckz: through the package of course. that's what they're for.
18:52<aron>anythoughts schweppp?
18:52<vinicius>ml|, yes
18:53<ml|>dpkg: tell vinicius about nvidia
18:53<nicholas_>dpkg: tell me about nvidia
18:53<ml|>vinicius: read that wiki page, will tell you what you need to do
18:54<vinicius>ml|, thanks!
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18:54<s0ckz>in order for me to use vncviewer.. i dont NEED xfce4 to be installed right?
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18:54<s0ckz>Just vncserver?
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18:56<nicholas_>s0ckz: right. they have nothing to do with each other.
18:56<s0ckz>do you know the cmd to start xfce4?
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18:58<s0ckz>Does anyone know why everything i install on here, i get the same three errors?: udev, hal, and initramfs-tools
18:58<s0ckz>Everytime i install something it gives me those same errors
18:59<nicholas_>those aren't errors, those are names of packages. what's the error?
18:59<s0ckz>It says, "Errors were encountered while proccessing:
19:00<s0ckz>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
19:00<s0ckz>But when i go into dpkg.. all it is is a bunch of symbols floating all over the place.. and 1500 lines of it too
19:01<nicholas_>try "dpkg --configure --pending" followed by "apt-get -f install"
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19:01<s0ckz>i did
19:02<s0ckz>all it keeps giving is errors..
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19:02<nicholas_>could you pastebin the actual dpkg messages? or some sample of them?
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19:03<s0ckz>like i said
19:03<s0ckz>the dpkg message is a shitload of symbols
19:03<s0ckz>not a single letter
19:03<s0ckz>i checked the whole thing
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19:05<nicholas_>do you have sysfs mounted on /sys?
19:06<nicholas_>the line in the postinst that's failing is "echo > /sys/kernel/uevent_helper"
19:06<nicholas_>so you need sysfs for that version of udev.
19:06<s0ckz>and how do i do that?
19:07<nicholas_>mount /sys -tsysfs ? :)
19:07<nicholas_>are you using debianized kernels or your own?
19:07<s0ckz>it just so happens to be red hat kernel
19:07<s0ckz>even tho i dont want it to be
19:07<s0ckz>i havent a choice
19:08<nicholas_>sysfs is a kernel feature.
19:08<nicholas_>you can use a red hat kernel, it just has to be "new enough"
19:08<s0ckz>which i doubt it is
19:08<nicholas_>(no i don't know exactly how new)
19:08<s0ckz>i recall it being something like 1.6.18
19:09<s0ckz>so once ive mounted that thing
19:09<nicholas_>surely you mean 2.1.18 or something? :)
19:09<s0ckz>lets see
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19:10<s0ckz>Linux version: 2.6.18 Red Hat 4.1.2-14
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19:11<s0ckz>uh btw
19:11<s0ckz>that cmd xfce4-session didnt work
19:11<nicholas_>offhand i think it needs to run from inside X. and may require the xfce4-session package to be installed.
19:12<s0ckz>ya i think your right
19:12<nicholas_>but i do use xfce4 :)
19:12<s0ckz>then you could help me out a bit?
19:13<nicholas_>i can try but X11 isn't starting up for me post-upgrade
19:13<s0ckz>i just got an error :(
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19:13<s0ckz>(xfce4-session:3087): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
19:14<nicholas_>sounds like it's not being run from inside X11
19:15<nicholas_>i'm guessing $DISPLAY is empty...?
19:15<s0ckz>where ix x11 located?
19:15<nicholas_>uh, usually what you do is install xdm (or gdm or whatever) and it gives you a graphical login screen
19:16<nicholas_>but if you really want to know how to start just a bare X server, it's /usr/bin/X
19:16<s0ckz>well what if im doing everything via ssh?
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19:16<s0ckz>will still bring up some sort of graphical interface?
19:16<s0ckz>gonna try this again
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19:16<s0ckz>ty for letting me know :>
19:16<nicholas_>you'd need an X server on the machine you're sshing from
19:16<nicholas_>then ssh -X will have $DISPLAY set to tunnel through ssh
19:17<nicholas_>then xfce4-session will work.
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19:17<ml|>need to configure sshd_config for X to work
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19:19<s0ckz>so as an x server could i use xdmx?
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19:20<nicholas_>what machine are you running ssh on? linux? windows?
19:20<s0ckz>fuck windows
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19:20<s0ckz> ^cute
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19:21<nicholas_>so you're running console on the machine you're ssh'ing from?
19:21<nicholas_>by console i mean text-mode
19:21<s0ckz>im using putty
19:21<nicholas_>hunh. any particular reason for that?
19:21<s0ckz>well because im just testing out a shitload of things on my server..
19:21<nicholas_>wait, what?
19:21<s0ckz>and i do it all through ssh..
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19:22<nicholas_>isn't putty windows software?
19:22<s0ckz>im on xp
19:22<abrotman>nicholas_: there is a linux version too
19:22<abrotman>dpkg: info putty lenny
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19:22<s0ckz>ya but that would be stupid
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19:22<s0ckz>considering you could use terminal..
19:22<dpkg>putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.60-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 296 kB, Installed size: 732 kB
19:22<s0ckz>im on a stripped down version of xp >:)
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19:23<s0ckz>its all ive got atm :/
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19:23<nicholas_>as far as i'm aware, putty won't tunnel an X connection.
19:23<nicholas_>but you could run an x server for windows on it
19:24<s0ckz>hate that
19:24<nicholas_>then ssh in with putty and set $DISPLAY manually and run xfce4-session from there. that should work.
19:24<s0ckz>but im not going to be using ssh..
19:24<s0ckz>i mean'
19:24<s0ckz>thats what i was gona do
19:24<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
19:24<s0ckz>but like i asked before
19:24<s0ckz>is xdmx the right one to use?
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19:25<nicholas_>no, i don't think you can run xdmx on windows.
19:26<s0ckz>i dont want to run anything on windows tho..........
19:26<s0ckz>im only using putty to install all this stuff
19:26<nicholas_>oh oh...
19:26<nicholas_>install xserver-xorg
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19:26<nicholas_>sorry for the round-about ....
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19:26<s0ckz>no problems
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19:27<s0ckz>but what is xserver-xorg?
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19:27<nicholas_>xorg is the fork of xfree86.
19:27<nicholas_>uhm, so bad news coming up -- it's not going to work without 'hal' installed properly.
19:28<s0ckz>im fukd
19:28<nicholas_>pretty much yeah.
19:28<s0ckz>lovin it
19:28<s0ckz>and i take it.. hal isnt a package right?
19:28<nicholas_>it is.
19:28<s0ckz>but i need to configure it myself?
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19:29<nicholas_>it's one of the packages you complained about earlier; udev, hal and initramfs-tools
19:29<nicholas_>hal's only broken because udev is broken.
19:29<nicholas_>udev is broken because you don't have sysfs.
19:29<nicholas_>you don't have sysfs because your kernel is too old and you can't upgrade it.
19:29<s0ckz>what about that sonuva bitch initfram-tools
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19:30<nicholas_>nobody cares about initfsram-tools
19:30<s0ckz>ur funny funny
19:30<s0ckz>so install udev
19:30<s0ckz>and then install hal
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19:31<nicholas_>problem is, it's not going to work. the error you keep getting is the fact that the "post-install script" for udev failed.
19:31<s0ckz>should i have installed those packages before xfdesktop4? or it dont matter?
19:31<s0ckz>sorry i dont know what you mean by that
19:31<abrotman>s0ckz: lay off the enter key
19:31<nicholas_>the error you pastebinned earlier.
19:31<s0ckz>ur kidding right
19:32<s0ckz>Well, how wouldi go about setting up sysfs?
19:32<nicholas_>"mkdir /sys; mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys"
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19:32<deniz>does wacom autodetect digital pens in lenny?
19:33<nicholas_>it either works or else you need a newer/different kernel.
19:33<deniz>or do i need to edit xorg etc?
19:33<s0ckz>i figure that
19:33<deniz>nicholas_, was that an answer to my question?
19:33<nicholas_>deniz: no sorry, i was speaking to s0ckz.
19:33<deniz>nicholas_, o just checking cuz it sounded like an answer for me
19:34<s0ckz>uh, nicholas, apparently sysfs is already mounted to /sys
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19:34<nicholas_>s0ckz: wicked. then "dpkg --configure --pending" and "apt-get -f install" should help now!
19:35<s0ckz>its not working
19:35<s0ckz>just like you said
19:35<s0ckz>post-installation script
19:35<nicholas_>really? is /sys actually there and populated?
19:35<s0ckz>i shall check
19:36<s0ckz>all it has inside of it is class
19:36<s0ckz>and not the good class either :s
19:37<nicholas_>no, that won't do. /sys should have block/ and kernel/
19:37<s0ckz>dear god
19:37<s0ckz>i need a new kernel
19:37<s0ckz>fuck red hat
19:38<nicholas_>you know debian ships redhat kernels, right?
19:38<nicholas_>just apt-cache search redhat
19:38<s0ckz>well they can ship my butt
19:39<s0ckz>this just really frustrates me
19:39<Pitxyoki>I hope you were excpecting no one read that last sentence, s0ckz.
19:40<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
19:40<s0ckz>FINE, my bad i wont use the damn enter key ever
19:40<s0ckz>wow you would smile at me saying that
19:41<Pitxyoki>By the way... How is the building of packages made on the Debian repositories?
19:41<s0ckz>that hurts the cockles of my heart
19:41<Pitxyoki>Is it automatic or does someone have to compile the packages for each architecture?
19:41<s0ckz>im gonna put my money on the second one
19:41<dpkg>i guess buildd is Debian's automated build system that automatically compiles everything it finds.
19:41<s0ckz>sonuva bitch
19:41<s0ckz>i lose in every way possible
19:42<Pitxyoki>Thanks, abrotman.
19:42<s0ckz>YEAH THANKS
19:42<Pitxyoki>Let's just see if that page answers my following question.
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19:43<s0ckz>Shit, nicholas, how would i go about changing my current kernel?
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19:43<amphi>s0ckz: what is it now?
19:43<s0ckz>-_- please not this again
19:44<s0ckz>its like motherfucking REDHAT something!
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19:44<Pitxyoki>s0ckz, what's the problem?
19:44<s0ckz>shit, thats the linux version lol
19:44<s0ckz>redhat version is.. 2.4.24
19:44<s0ckz>or something like that
19:44<s0ckz>I need a more current kernel
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19:45<s0ckz>Because the one i have.. seems to be older than jesus
19:45<s0ckz>so ya
19:45<s0ckz>guess my provider doesnt believe in change ---
19:45<amphi>"constant change is here to stay", as the headline put it
19:46<s0ckz>well then we are all doomed to an eternity of choas
19:46<s0ckz>and choas does not implement randomness
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19:47<s0ckz>Bottom line is, i cant really do anything until i have a more current kernel.
19:47<s0ckz>How lovely
19:47<s0ckz>Worked an entire two days to come to that conclusion lol
19:48<s0ckz>Mind you two days without sleep
19:48<dpkg>hmm... sleep is for wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk*
19:48<Pitxyoki>s0ckz, what are you talking about?
19:48<Pitxyoki>Is that a machine where you can install whatever you want?
19:49<s0ckz>ive been trying to setup this gui for like two days now and havent slept cuz i cant let it go without actually finishing it.
19:49<s0ckz>wait what?
19:49<s0ckz>Pit, what are you implying?
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19:50<Pitxyoki>I don't know, I just got here and I saw you complaining about your provider and the fact that you have an old kernel on some machine.
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19:51<s0ckz>Ok, well then read before that, because nicholas has been trying to help me fix this bullshit, and my current kernel doesnt have sysfs or some bullshit like that. So maybe i dont need a "newer" one, i just need a fucking different one."
19:51<s0ckz>Oh ya one more thing too add
19:51<s0ckz>My anus is a huge gaping supermassive black hole
19:51<adb>s0ckz: just trolling ?
19:52<s0ckz>no no
19:52<s0ckz>just bored.
19:52<s0ckz>i dont feedthetrolls
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19:52<s0ckz>good catch tho ;D
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19:54<s0ckz>If i can get my provider to let me change kernels, which one would be the best choice? Any suggestions?
19:54<s0ckz>and please dont say the one i have now.
19:55<adb>install debian than
19:56<Pitxyoki>The most recent one.
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19:57<s0ckz>adb, debian is currently installed. Itsjust the kernel that isnt debian. But i want to get the most recent debian kernel right?
19:57<adb>lenny ?
19:57<nicholas_>i never remember the names. it's just "unstable".
19:57<adb>paste sources list
19:58<nicholas_>missing an exclamation point? ;-)
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20:01<Brime_>Is wacom suport built into the 2.6.26 kernel?
20:01<Pitxyoki>How did you install debian without installing a debian kernel?
20:02<Brime_>or should i ask thet in #kernelnewbies?
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20:03<airtonix>Pitxyoki, #kernelnewbieswantingtobeflamed
20:03<Pitxyoki>Brime_, you can check at the /boot/config-2.6.26-whatever file.
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20:04<Brime_>ok thanks! will do.
20:04<Pitxyoki>$ grep -i wacom /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686
20:04<SQlvpapir>Brime_: my worked out of the box
20:04<Pitxyoki>Apparently it's compiled as a module.
20:04<SQlvpapir>both debian stable and the kernel from unstable (2.6.29-amd64)
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20:08<Brime_>ok, yeah mine has CONFIG_TABLET_USB_WACOM=m too
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20:09<Brime_>I'm trying to get an old compaq tc1000 tablet pc to work with the pen.
20:11<Brime_>But all the info I could find was for older kernels, now I wont mung up mine with old patches.
20:12<SQlvpapir>plug it in, depmod -a, check lsmod or resort to dmesg ;-)
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20:13<deniz>since people are helping Brime_ with a tablet pc can someone answer this ( about some regular touchpad device (not tablet pc)
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20:14<deniz>people havent even answered once and its been ages :(
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20:15<nicholas_>anyone here know about HAL?
20:16<SQlvpapir>yet another layer :) just ask your question
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20:16<nicholas_>none of my input devices are getting properties on them
20:17<nicholas_>this seems to be because info.capabilities is blank for all of them
20:17<Pitxyoki>deniz, on the mini how-to that you referred...
20:17<Pitxyoki>If you go to the main page, on the left there is a list of supported devices
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20:17<nicholas_>i've just finished a dist-upgrade. it's not clear to me why HAL isn't figuring out what my mouse and keyboard are (they're USB)
20:19<nicholas_>i'm also having quite a soliloquy on #hal (freenode)
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20:21<deniz>Pitxyoki, so there is no out of the box support in Lenny?
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20:23<NickPresta>Is there any way to pin a repository that does not have a label?
20:24<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
20:26<Pitxyoki>What? Why are you asking that, deniz?
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20:28<NickPresta>adb: so I would use origin in the Pin field?
20:29<adb>never used by myself
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20:33<nicholas_>could someone run lshal and tell me what's under 'info.capabilities' for their mouse and their keyboard?
20:33<deniz>Pitxyoki, because playing with xorg seems complicated
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20:35<Pitxyoki>I don't think you have to.
20:36<nicholas_>adb: cool, thanks!
20:37<adb>not sure , but hal has noting to do with mouse & keyboard evens they are usb ,
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20:38<adb> HAL provides an abstract view on hardware.
20:38<adb>apt-cache show hal
20:38<nicholas_>the xserver is querying hal to find the mouse and keyboard
20:39<nicholas_>so i'm getting so corepointer/corekeyboard leaving me very unhappy.
20:39<nicholas_>there is no info.capabilities setting for my mouse/keyboard at all
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20:39<nicholas_>i've run the hal daemon with verbose on and studied the output
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20:39<nicholas_>i've been reading through the hal source code, all to no avail.
20:39<nicholas_>everything would work if it were getting the right capabilities in the first place, and i can't seem to figure out why it isn't.
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20:42<adb>because are not device managed by hal ?
20:43<nicholas_>i don't follow. there are UDIs for them, they aren't marked "ignore" they're just missing key data.
20:44<adb>maybe is udev that manage them
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20:45<nicholas_>so i don't really understand the interplay between udev and hal
20:46<adb>so, what's the right problem ?
20:46<nicholas_>the problem is "X won't start".
20:47<nicholas_>i've followed the trail as a) X11 queries HAL for corepointer/corekeyboard b) HAL lists my keyboard and mouse but no info about them (no input.* entries)
20:47<nicholas_>sorry -- not "no info" but "no interesting/useful info
20:48<adb>ati/nvidia ?
20:48<nicholas_>but really that's not the problem.
20:49<adb>try my xorg
20:49<nicholas_>yes my nvidia drivers are pooched after the upgrade, but forget that for now
20:49<nicholas_>that's nearly the same as what i had except with an additional "load glx"
20:50<nicholas_>btw, since i get no corekeyboard if i try this i will have to hard-reboot to exit X11
20:50<adb>/etc/init.d/gdm restart
20:51-!-mode/#debian [+l 399] by debhelper
20:51<nicholas_>ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't work, since X11 isn't listening to the kbd
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20:54<nicholas_>yup, same behaviour
20:55<nicholas_>adb: to be clear, the X server does come up, i just can't move the mouse or type. the video driver part is fine.
20:55<nicholas_>so the server doesn't quit, either. it just sits there dead as a doornail
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20:56<adb>i suspect xorg don't come up if no mouse and/or type are not detected.
20:57<adb>anyways change mouse / keyboard for testing
20:57<nicholas_>i thought that was true as well, but there's a long entry about it
20:58<adb>rebooted after upgrade ?
20:59<nicholas_>yes, several times.
20:59<nicholas_>i also don't know why it thinks AllowEmptyInput is enabled. i'd certainly like it off.
21:00<adb>reboot with "my xorg"
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21:02<tonytraductor>I installed skype, and it's working fine, but synpatic insists that it is broken and must be removed, and won't let me unmark for removal...why?
21:03<nicholas_>done. same as before: the system is on and running, gdm cursor for username is blinking, but no keyboard typing does anything nor does moving the mouse.
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21:04<nicholas_>i can ssh in.
21:04<adb>nicholas_: last resort > change mouse / keyboard for testing
21:04<nicholas_>what, physical mouse/keyboard?
21:05<nicholas_>i have no others. :-(
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21:07<chamilis>i need some help
21:07<nicholas_>chamilis: just state your question :)
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21:07<chamilis>i'm a newbie, i've jus installed gnu debian lenny
21:07<chamilis>i'm having problems with permissions,
21:08<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or, or <qotd232>
21:08<chamilis>basically it doesn't allow me to do anything
21:08<ed_debian>chamilis, lmao
21:08<ed_debian>chamilis, In detail, what is one thing you are "trying to do"
21:08<chamilis>checking the links, thanks!
21:09<chamilis>i was trying to run #debian
21:09<chamilis>sorry not that
21:09<adb>chamilis: heh
21:09<abrotman>chamilis: be more specific
21:09<chamilis>i was trying to open the sudoers
21:09<ed_debian>chamilis, What do you mean run #debian? Do you mean join this channel? Cause you're already done that
21:10<chamilis>no no, that was a mistake pasting the text
21:10<ed_debian>chamilis, Do you have any experience with another distro?
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21:10<chamilis>my problem started trying to mount a volume that is in ntfsç
21:10<chamilis>no, no experience
21:10<tonytraductor>aptitude tells me the same thing, that skype is broken, and insists on removing
21:11<ed_debian>chamilis, yeah by default in debian you cannot mount volumes as a normal user
21:11<chamilis>for that i downloaded ntfs 3g
21:11<dpkg>ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about < etch> for instructions and see Usage examples: Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
21:11<tonytraductor>I can't install anything without skype being removed...but it isn't broken, it's working just fine
21:11<abrotman>tonytraductor: aptitude -f install
21:11<chamilis>but when i tried to install it
21:11<chamilis>it tells me that i dont have permission
21:12<abrotman>chamilis: did you become root first?
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21:12<ed_debian>chamilis, The linux operating system is different in a very key way than windows in that you are a typical user 90% of the time. In windows you are what linux would call the root user all of the time.
21:12<tonytraductor>oh wait, aptitude had a better's install libqt pkgs, which apparently will adjust the skype situation...nice
21:13<chamilis>how do i become root user?
21:13<adb>chamilis: use su for root user
21:13<ed_debian>open a terminal and type "su"
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21:13<chamilis>you mean single user?
21:13-!-lightcatcher [] has quit []
21:13<adb>super user
21:13<ed_debian>that will log you in (you are now essentially logged in twice) as the root user
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21:13<abrotman>more like switchuser .. but whatever
21:14<adb>sure ..
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21:14<adb>super user is more expressive ...
21:15<abrotman>but that's not what it really does
21:15<ed_debian>chamilis, You are the first person I have ever met that (to my knowledge) jumped into linux with debian and not ubuntu bravo
21:15<abrotman>ed_debian: uhm .. you don't know anyone that used linux before ubuntu existed ?
21:15<tonytraductor>he'll learn the right way
21:15<ed_debian>abrotman, I don't think so
21:15<abrotman>that's kind of sad
21:15<tonytraductor>yeah, honestly...ubuntu didn't exist when I started using linux
21:16<tonytraductor>the first distro I tried was Corel Linux
21:16<ed_debian>abrotman, I've only been using linux for 1 1/2 years?
21:16*abrotman is old ...
21:16<tonytraductor>that was nice...had Photopaint and WordPerfect in it
21:16*adb too
21:16<chamilis>well thanks, i got fed up of f... windows
21:17<adb>chamilis: welcome to Linux
21:17<tonytraductor>then I used redhat->fedora for about 7 or 8 years, then ubuntu for a year, then PCLinuxOs for a year, then Ubuntu again for a week, and then, finally installed
21:17<tonytraductor>opps, finally installed Debian
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21:17<chamilis>awell, thanks a lot for the help, i will try to continue on my own!
21:18<ed_debian>abrotman, Outside of irc / forums / internet I haven't met many people that even use linux.
21:19<ed_debian>chamilis, Feel free to come back for more help. The linux community is different than windows (a lot of us actually love to help when we can)
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21:19<ed_debian>tonytraductor, What makes debian your first choice?
21:20<ed_debian>tonytraductor, Badly phrased, what makes debian the best to you?
21:20<adb>ed_debian: ot!
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21:21<ed_debian>sorry :(
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21:22<shamanix>ed_debian did you have success with handbrake or mancoder?
21:22<jrk>is ssh taking all i type from stdin?
21:22<ed_debian>shamanix, hang on a sec
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21:28<donald>my soundcard is not detected at startup when i plug in my usb camera why? How can i solve this?
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21:32<ed_debian>shamanix, Sorry I had a phone call. Yeah I haven't gotten a chance to work with mancoder or handbreak. I tried to use ffmpeg but I don't know how to set all the flags correctly.
21:33<ed_debian>shamanix, is handbreak not in the repos
21:34<shamanix>handbrake is in the multimedia repo
21:36<ed_debian>shamanix, Help me out here: mencoder inputfile -o output.avi
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21:37<shamanix>try it, I'm reading the man pages but it looks pretty scary without a gui
21:38<jrk>hello. may i interrupt? i want to login to remote system via ssh automaticly and a can't send my pub key because remote sys has fs mounted ro. i tried this: "cat password.txt | plink `cat ip.txt` -ssh -2 -P 22 -l jarek -D 5555". it makes connection (i see prompt of remote sys) but tunnel isn't working, so i tried this: "cat password.txt | ssh -p 22 -l jarek -D 5555 `cat ip.txt`", but it doesn't take password from pipe - i had to type it manually (ss
21:38<jrk>h tunnel is working -- checked with firefox socks4)
21:38<ed_debian>shamanix, Yeah not much of a difference from ffmpeg
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21:38<shamanix>i know a pretty easy way for ffmpeg, wait a sec
21:39<ed_debian>shamanix, ok
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21:40<shamanix>ffmpeg -i filehere.ext -vcoded xvid (or anything else) -sameq -acodec mp3 -f avi out.avi
21:41<shamanix>ffmpeg -formats gives you a list of supported codecs
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21:45<ed_debian>for the vcodec and acodec I had to but libxvid and libmp3lame
21:45<ed_debian>and I had to remove the -f flag
21:47<shamanix>??? I didn't understand the first sentence 100%, well does it at least work?
21:48<ed_debian>for the vcodec and acodec I had to PUT libxvid ...
21:48<adb> ed_debian, shamanix do > /j #ffmpeg , better than here ;)
21:49<deniz>when dealing with ellipses; what does "integral coordinates" mean?
21:49<jrk>avidemux is cool frontend for mencoder. i use it
21:49<deniz>wrong channel
21:51<ed_debian>shamanix, /j me in #ffmpeg
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21:52<ed_debian>deniz, I'm guessing it is talking about the start and end point of your integral? IDK you are in the wrong channel
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21:58<deniz>ed_debian, lol it was a complete accident when i typed the question in this channel but since you answered, what does "integral" also mean?
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22:00<kalsriv>hi everyone
22:01<kalsriv>is someone expert here
22:01<kalsriv>I want help with ubuntu
22:01<kalsriv>never been to this site before
22:01<adb>ask # ubuntu
22:02<kalsriv>you mean a different chat room
22:02<adb>yes , on freenode i guess
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22:07<tonytraductor>I'm having difficulty getting a Logitech Quickcam to function here. I read and googled...installed the gspca stuff and ran the module-assistant, but no joy
22:07<adb>reboot ?
22:07<tonytraductor>I have the qc-utils source and qc-usb-utils installed
22:10<deniz>when i grow up i want to be a software engineer; is there a way to support open source as an employee and make big money at the same time?
22:11<adb>apt-cache search
22:11<adb>tonytraductor: ^^
22:11<deniz>or is there a field that thereis no such thing as open source like NASA maybe? basically i would just like to make software
22:11<deniz>and make big money
22:12<kalsriv>Hi I got a question for video capturing
22:13<adb>from ubuntu ?
22:13<adb>ask #ubuntu
22:13<tonytraductor>wellI apt-cache searched for, and aptitude installed it, but I don't know where it is
22:13<kalsriv>how to get there
22:13<kalsriv>i tried but failed
22:13<tonytraductor>I found it...had to updatedb and locate to find it
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22:16<tonytraductor>all it says is no camera found on my system
22:16<tonytraductor>the camera is listed by lsusb
22:17<tonytraductor>Bus 003 Device 006: ID 046d:092e Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Chat
22:18<tonytraductor>but Camera and skype say no device found
22:18<tonytraductor>I modprobed the gspca modules, did the m-a module-assistant for qc-utils...everything I can find by googling or on the deb forums
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22:22<adb>there is maybe a config file ?
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22:23<tonytraductor>cheese doesn't see my camera, either
22:23<tonytraductor>I don't get it
22:24<adb>unplug /plug camera ?
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22:25<tonytraductor>why? the computer sees's listed by lsusb
22:25<adama26>what's dmesg|tail say?
22:26<ed_debian>I installed KDE a week ago and today I uninstalled it. My root partition went from 49% full to 68% full when I installed but after I PURGED the kde packages my root stayed at 68% full. Any ideas?
22:26<tonytraductor>tried it anyway. but doesn't seem to have made a difference
22:27<dr|z3d>ed_debian: try perhaps installing bleachbit and computer-janitor
22:27<adb>camorama - gnome utility to view and save images from a webcam
22:28<dr|z3d>ed_debian: also try: apt-get autoclean
22:28<ed_debian>dr|z3d, Not in repos?
22:29<tonytraductor>no, autoclean isn't in the repos
22:29<ed_debian>autoclean had nothing to clean
22:29<dr|z3d>ed_debian: Maybe yes, maybe no.
22:29<dr|z3d>Anyways, sounds like your packages are still lying about.
22:29<tonytraductor>just cleans up the apt cache
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22:29<ed_debian>bleachbit and computer-janitor aren't in repos either?
22:29<dr|z3d>Hmm.. then maybe not.
22:29<dr|z3d>ed_debian: Maybe yes, maybe no.
22:29*dr|z3d smiles.
22:30<tonytraductor>hmmmm...aptitude is hanging on "Setting up camorama (0.19.-2) ..."
22:30<dr|z3d>If they're not, you should be able to grab the debs from somewhere.
22:30<ed_debian>is it possible that there are packages such as libraries that I installed (as dependencies) but don't get uninstalled when I remove their "parent" ?
22:30<dr|z3d>tonytraductor: dpkg --configure -a
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22:36<tonytraductor>aptitude is still hung on setting up camorama
22:36<tonytraductor>I went to the restroom and came back
22:36<tonytraductor>I'm afraid to interrupt it
22:37<tonytraductor>dr|z3d , shall I do that as su?
22:37<tonytraductor>status database area is locked by another process (assume aptitude trying to set up camorama)
22:39<adama26>kill it, but run aptitude -f install before trying dr|z3d's command
22:39<tonytraductor>I'm going to ctrl-z aptitude
22:40<tonytraductor> t control z to stop aptitude, just closed that terminal window, but I assume I'd better check ps aux | grep aptitude just to be for sure
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22:42<tonytraductor>I used to love her, but I had to kill her
22:42<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
22:44<tonytraductor>well, that fixed the camorama installation issue, but camorama just gives me an error "Could not connect to video device (/dev/video0) Please check connection. " I't definitely connected
22:44<adama26>ls -l /dev/video* ?
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22:46<matt->How do I get the power button on my powermac to tell lenny to shut down? Right now it is being ignored.
22:46<matt->Google provided no help.
22:46<tonytraductor>okay, I'm wondering if following the instructions here ( may be relevant. I did all of that. I wonder if it might not have been a good idea
22:47<shamanix>guys I'm having a problem with pendrives, reads are fast, however writing to it is sloooowwwwww, anyone know a solution to this?
22:47<tonytraductor>matt: halt lenny via command halt, never by power button
22:48<shamanix>tried it on a windows pc, and write speeds where ok, so my pendrive isnt dying or something
22:49<adb>shamanix: fat16 on it ?
22:49<matt->Well, halting via the command line works, but I would also like to have a shutdown initiated by pressing the power button as well.
22:50<shamanix>fat32 its an 8gig kingston
22:50<matt->All instructions for this are either for i386 or ppc laptops though.
22:50<tonytraductor>the camera worked fine with PCLinuxOS, but had some issues ni Ubuntu, as well, although I did get it work work with some apps in ubuntu (not kopete or skype, though, with which I most want to use it)
22:51<tonytraductor>a powermac isn't ppc?
22:51<adb>the olds only
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22:52<adama26>tonytraductor: did you rmmod and modprobe gspca?
22:52<matt->It is, but the instructions I found were for laptop ppc machines.
22:52<matt->Powerbooks, iBooks, etc.
22:53<tonytraductor>I did modprobe gspca, I don't recall having done anything like rmmod
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22:53<tonytraductor>okay, just googled I want to remove a module? I though I wanted to add one
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22:54<adama26>well you can remove and re-add it and see if dmesg makes any errors
22:55<tonytraductor>the only error it gives is the same one before, Devices not found !!, failed with error -5
22:56<adb>tonytraductor: uname -r ?
22:57<tonytraductor>2.6.26-2-686 (it's a fresh lenny install)
22:57<dpkg>The GSCPA driver provides support for digital cameras and webcams based on SPCA5xx chipsets. To install on Lenny or Etch, ask me about <gscpa one-liner>. Module included in mainline kernel from 2.6.27. Supported devices: See also <uvcvideo>.
22:57<dpkg>somebody said uvcvideo was the Linux USB Video Class (UVC) driver. Included in the mainline kernel from 2.6.26. For Etch with 2.6.18 kernel: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i linux-uvc && modprobe uvcvideo" or install a 2.6.26 kernel image from <>. Supported devices: See also <gspca>.
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22:58<tonytraductor>maybe I should m-a the linux-uvc...I'll try that
22:59<tonytraductor>huh...installation of linux-uvc failed. I do have contrib and non-free enabled.
23:00<adb>i'll install and try 2.6.29,
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23:00<tonytraductor>oh, well I already have 2.6.26 kernel installed, anyway
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23:01<adb>i386 ?
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23:02<tonytraductor>I don't see my cam listed at
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23:02<tonytraductor>lotso Logitech Quickcams, but not this specific model (Quickcam Chat)
23:03<adb>tonytraductor: on i386 ?
23:04<adb>ask man , bed time
23:04<sney>tonytraductor: uname -m ?
23:06<adb>s/ask/ answord
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23:21<tonytraductor>uname -m gives i686
23:21<tonytraductor>I was googling and stuff, or I would have responded sooner
23:22<adb>install/test it ,
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23:23<tonytraductor>install and test a different kernel?
23:24<tonytraductor>I don't want to break stuff. I work for a living on this machine
23:24<tonytraductor>the camera's not that important
23:24<adb>you'will break nothing
23:24<tonytraductor>messing with the kernel is a bit scary
23:25<adb>old kernel is still there ,,,
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23:26<tonytraductor>so, I'm going to have to edit my /boot/grub.list to make this one anooption? or will dpkg -i kernel.deb automagically do that?
23:26<adb>it is automagically
23:27<tonytraductor>so, I will have to reboot, choose the newer kernel and test...if it works, the people will rejoice, and if not, I reboot and go back to my old kernel, yes?
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23:27<zack>всем доброго времени суток | hi to all
23:27<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
23:28<zack>nujna pomohsh'
23:28<tonytraductor>installing it now
23:28<adb>zack: vapros po angliskii
23:29<tonytraductor>well...I guess I should reboot now
23:29<zack>kto mne mojet podskazat' v 4om mojet bit' problema s wifi posle ustanovki debian netinstall
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23:29<dpkg>Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also and <installer firmware>.
23:29<adb>zack: ^^
23:30<zack>prosto uje ne znau v 4om problema
23:30<adb>zack: po angliskii
23:31<adb>ili #debian-russian @
23:33<adb>zack: do > /msg dpkg installer firmware
23:33<zack>i need help with wifi on eeepc 900. installation was made by netinstaller. after installation wifi module see by comand ifconfig or iwconfig, but wicd write about non wireless point are found (sorry about my english, i'm from Russian)
23:34<sney>zack: #debian-eeepc and
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23:35<zack>sney: i was there, but wifi not work
23:35<sney>which 900 is it
23:36<zack>900 (without any symbols)
23:36<adb>zack: no worry, nice english , try wifi-radar
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23:37<zack>wifi-radar - same result
23:37<tonytraductor>well...this newer kernel doesn't seem to have done any damage, but I still have no joy with the camera
23:37<adb>so no any AP around ?
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23:38<tonytraductor>do I need to modprobe and all that again, for this kernel? somehow that makes sense to me, but I haven't done it
23:38<adb>tonytraductor: bad
23:38<adb>sure do a m-a
23:38<zack>)) ap staing - 1m from netbook
23:38<tonytraductor>oh yeah, Module gspca not found, so I see I need to go through that process again
23:39<adb>zack: heh, to short way than ;)
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23:40<zack>if do iwlist wlan0 scan - result: no interface found...but wlan0 shows by comands ifconfig and iwconfig
23:40<dumb_user>anyone else use icewm-lite? is there not supposed to be a taskbar?
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23:43<sney>zack: you have ar242x wifi chip and are not seeing access points, but the driver loads... this is covered here
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23:43<tonytraductor>bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found, and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use
23:44<adb>zack: lspci -nn | grep Wireless
23:44<sney>zack: and the recommendation is to use the backport 2.6.29 kernel
23:44<sney>zack: my eeepc 1000HA has the ar242x chip as well and the 2.6.29 fixed all of my wifi problems
23:44<tonytraductor>probably because i don't have the kernel headers installed
23:45<zack>one moment
23:45<tonytraductor>do i wget that?
23:46<adb>err nm
23:46<user01>aspell ispell myspell . . . how do you choose?
23:47<tonytraductor>I dont bothar muself with dat spelin stuff
23:47<tonytraductor>just kidding
23:48<adb>err . nm
23:48<tonytraductor>installed the kernel headers but installation of the qc-usb module still failed
23:48<zack>it is shaman dance...ifconfig and iwconfig shows that i don't have a wireless...
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23:48<tonytraductor>kdist_build Error 2
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23:49<sney>zack: yes, because the ath5k driver in your install is broken, you need to use the newer kernel
23:49<sney>or use madwifi, but that may also be broken
23:49<zack>madwifi has installed
23:49<zack>but same result
23:49<sney>but it is still not working
23:49<sney>new kernel
23:49<user01>tonytraductor, wel yeh ken jus egnor wred squiggellies
23:50<dpkg>nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.
23:50<zack>ok...going to trying...seks to all
23:50<tonytraductor>says no such file or dir as /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.29-2-common, but shudlnt that ther diractry been maid whan i instarled them hedders?
23:50<user01>who is luke?
23:51<tonytraductor>don't get cocky kid
23:51<tonytraductor>I used to target womprats in my T16 back homme
23:51<user01>i have a t43
23:52<user01>and my brother uses my old t20
23:52<sney>my t42 died an honorable death
23:52<sney>I may be able to revive it someday
23:52<user01>my t40 did too :(
23:52<sney>but for now I have a nice eee
23:53<tonytraductor>oh, I didn't even look at the dpkg output from installing the headers, error processing linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686 (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
23:53<user01>a colombian bandit shot a hole through it
23:53<tonytraductor>me gusta musicas colombianas. estaba escuchando vallenatos esta tarde
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23:54<user01>well through my bag but they did know it was inside
23:54<user01>and they probably forgot the safety
23:55<tonytraductor>would I be able to install said headers via backports in aptitude, and thus resolve dependency issues?
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23:55<user01>it was good though because it distracted them from my nikon camera and my money
23:55<tonytraductor>or apt-get
23:55<user01>and then i just got a t43 on ebay and replaced the drive
23:56<user01>and now it has debian lenny whohoo!
23:56<adb>tonytraductor: it's a variant
23:56<user01>a happy ending
23:57<user01>and i can put up my colombian trip photos now
23:58<mehdi>how to insatll nvidia 7400 in linux debain base?
23:58<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
23:58<sney>oh der
23:59<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (ie. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
23:59<user01>i have ati
23:59<mehdi>thanks Debian
23:59<tonytraductor>can't seem to get the headers for 2.6.29 installed
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