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---Logopened Sun May 24 00:00:12 2009
00:00<user01>but a good think is that the proprietary drivers work for my card still in lenny
00:00<tonytraductor>I did the wget and dpkg -i route, and there were errors, unresolved dependencies
00:00<tonytraductor>aptitude just wanted to remove that erroneous attempted installation fo the errors
00:01<tonytraductor>I think I'm not doing something right to get it frm backports...I'll go check the backports directions again
00:01<user01>hmmm what does gvim use for spell check?
00:01<adb>tonytraductor: wait
00:02<tonytraductor>I checked the command for backports, I did aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686, and got No candidate version found for linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686
00:02<ml|>user01: ispell i believe
00:03<user01>eh i just installed the aspell what were the chances
00:03<tonytraductor>oddly, xsane sees the camera
00:05<tonytraductor>xsane can kind of get a very poor image from the camera, even
00:06<user01>ml|, hmm installed ispell dictionary but it cant find it
00:06<ml|>user01: i have aspell ispell myspell installed
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00:09<tonytraductor>that should resolve the dependencies, then, I assume
00:09<adb>tonytraductor: try to change focus on cam , sure
00:10<adb>objective * focus
00:11<tonytraductor>hmmm...still errors on attempting m-a a-i qc-usb
00:11<adb>dpkg -i is one line ...
00:11*dpkg installs is one line ... into adb's head with a bone saw and a few screws
00:12<user01>ml|, i think there maybe more configuration in gvim than just adding the deb dictionary package
00:13<tonytraductor>yeah, I know...I didn't get errors installing the kernel headers this time, must attempting the module assistant
00:13<tonytraductor>I tried to pipe the output to a file so I could pastebin it but it gave me garbledy-gook
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00:15<ml|>user01: i mainly use vim, but do see an option in gvim tools spelling turn that on
00:15<tonytraductor>keep getting Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686'
00:15<tonytraductor>make: *** [default] Error 2
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00:16<tonytraductor>but I swear...I did what you pastebinned, and didn't see errors installing the headers, this time
00:16<ml|>user01: type misspelled word and then do z= to correct spelling, you will get a menu to chose the word to replace with
00:16<adb>i know it is ok
00:16<user01>ml|, i did tools --> spelling and the spanish and french languages arent showing that i just installed
00:16<ml|>user01: turn it on
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00:18<tonytraductor>I wonder why xsane can see and use the camera, but no other app can
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00:18<adb>tonytraductor: i saw poor cams too
00:19<adb>adjust objective * focus
00:19<adb>may help
00:19<user01>ml|, it is on and it has the english dictionaries not the french or spanish ones
00:19<tonytraductor>but every app says it can't even find the camera, except xsane
00:19<tonytraductor>cheese, camorama, Camera (, skype, etc.
00:19<adb>magics ...
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00:20<tonytraductor>I've noticed that the little green light on the camera is not on, now, too, since booting to the newer kernel
00:20<tonytraductor>it was on before
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00:21<tonytraductor>still listed by lsusb
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00:22<adb>well , try another cam too
00:22<adb>ones i tested two cam , older get cleaner views ...
00:23<adb>got figure why
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00:29<zack>hi2all again: little question...
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00:30<zack>if i reinstall the system...what the kernel will i get..(i will use netinstall)
00:30<ml|>zack: the latest
00:31<zack>okey....and who are tall right/
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00:34<zack>oh....yes...i remembered...i have old netinstall get the latest version and how use them...
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00:44<tonytraductor>allright, I'm a little upset, now...I installed this new kernel, but have problems installing the kernel headers, so no modules can be installed, but installing the new kernel rewrote my grub/menu.lst, and the older kernel no longer appears in the list so I can't boot back t the old kernel
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00:45<tonytraductor>oh, I still have the entries for the older kernel in there...sorry
00:46<tonytraductor>hold on
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00:49<ml|>judd kernel
00:50<ml|>judd still out
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01:03<dumb_user>so is flash in firefox still a problem on linux
01:04<sney>it was for me until I installed the non-free Adobe player
01:04<sney>seems to work just dandy now
01:04<shamanix>dont know, never had any problem whatsoever with flash, but I use opera as my browser
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01:05<dumb_user>opera runs on linux?
01:06<shamanix>its been available for quite some time
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01:07<ml|>dpkg: tell dumb_user about adobe flash
01:08<dumb_user>so will this install the Adobe flash player 1
01:08<dumb_user>sorry. will flashplayer-mozilla install flash 10?
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01:09<ml|>dpkg: tell dumb_user about mm
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01:11<ml|>dumb_user: you on lenny
01:11<ml|>hmmm which is it heh
01:12<ml|>dpkg: tell dumb_user about dmm lenny
01:12<dumb_user>yeah. i have it in my sources.list
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01:12<ml|>ah ok just incase
01:12<user01>dumb_user, i followed these instructions
01:15<ml|>user01: using debian multimedia is easier for flash
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02:33<bilobi>anyone in?
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02:34<bilobi>hoping to get some insight into an issue i am having with a bridge
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02:49<Zylvain>if i have accidentally deleted some couple of files from /usr/lib/
02:50<Zylvain>but i dont remember which ones
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02:50<Zylvain>is there any way apt-get can detect it, to restore them
02:50<Zylvain>accidentally deleted = manually
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03:15<ootput>how did that even happen?
03:18<Zylvain>ootput: rm /usr/lib/blabla
03:18<Zylvain>to manually uninstall the software that I had compiled and manually installed
03:18<ootput>Zylvain: if you did that from shell, can you parse the shell history?
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03:20<Zylvain>ootput: i can't find it in the bash history
03:22<Zylvain>basically, apt-get seems not have such recover functions
03:23<cahoot>and you looked in root's .bash_history?
03:25<Zylvain>not there either
03:26<Zylvain>maybe i'll make a shell script using dpkg -l and apt-file
03:26<Zylvain>and find -name
03:26<Zylvain>to track missing files
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03:34<cahoot>Zylvain: sorry to persevere but you're aware :bash_history is written with some delay? tried the command 'history'?
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03:35<Zylvain>oh actually i did that some days ago
03:36<Zylvain>maybe i'll download the sources, compile again and check the binary files
03:36<Zylvain>probably the missing files are some of them
03:39<Zylvain>i just thought this option was handled by apt-get or apt-file
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04:33<Sersh_>ïðèâåò ïîìî÷ü êòî ìîæåò ï debian?
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04:40<ootput>Sersh: not quite
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05:45<tructcl>every body
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05:50<sylvio>I cannot get any sound.
05:52<sylvio>I can do alsaconf and alsamixer, I did everything in !alsa checklist
05:52<sylvio>01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS780 Azalia controller
05:52<sylvio>00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
05:52<sylvio>both are in lspci
05:53<cahoot>sylvio: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 error/silence/sound?
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05:54<sylvio>a lot of output (still going) but no sound
05:55<sylvio>I have the video hooked up via hdmi, and speakers plugged in as well
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05:59<cahoot>via hdmi?
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06:02<cahoot>sylvio: can you paste the output of aplay -L on a pstebin?
06:02<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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06:04<denya>help me
06:04<denya>I don`t run winetricks?
06:04<denya> wine v.1.0.1 os Debian
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06:04<denya>write in console, its "bash: winetricks: command didn`t search"
06:05<cahoot>sylvio: run speaker-test -Dsurround40:CARD=HDMI -t wav -c2
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06:08<cahoot>sylvio: and speaker-test -D surround71:CARD=SB,DEV=0 -t wav -c2 ?
06:08<sylvio>it works!!
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06:09<sylvio>"front left, front right, ...."
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06:11<sylvio>if I put -c4 instead of -c2 at the end though, the rear ones don't play
06:11<sylvio>how do I make it use that SB,DEV=0 for alsa etc/
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06:49<sylvio>cahoot: I can
06:49<cahoot>sylvio: can what?
06:49<sylvio>'t get it to use that setup by default
06:49<sylvio>the surround71
06:50<cahoot>you could create an ~/.asoundrc and define what should be default
06:50<sylvio>the commands in /etc/rc.local make errors like amixer: Unable to find simple control 'Surround Jack Mode',0 etc.
06:51<sylvio>I did, but it ain't working
06:52<sylvio>I only put the 5.1 part from that site, and changed surround51 to surround71
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06:59<sylvio>it is working!
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07:47<ce-tomboy>nick erina
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07:49<melkart>the logical volume manager together with dm-crypt encryption of partitions in debian 5.0.1 - is it a mature technology? because i just booted and the computer hung when "reading all logical volumes", without any hard disk activity. i rebooted and it worked then. but i worry about my data becoming inaccessible
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07:51<simonrvn>lvm yes. dm-crypt has been around a long time.
07:51<simonrvn>barring bugs, of course ;).
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07:53<locklace>melkart: lvm is very mature, the crypt stuff is fairly mature
07:54<locklace>melkart: but it's still not a great idea to put / on lvm, let alone crypt lvm or swraid
07:55<melkart>not? because it's a default choice when i choose "assisted partitioning" in the installer...
07:55<melkart>you would keep / on a separate partition then for exactly that reason?
07:55<locklace>yeah, i know, i hate the way the installer does that
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07:56<locklace>there are at least two major reasons to keep / separate: no need for initrd, and no extra boot pain when something goes pear-shaped
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07:57<melkart>if you were concerned about your hard disk containing secret information during normal use (for example, in /tmp or /var)... which parts would you encrypt and which not?
07:57<melkart>if i put / on a separate, not encrypted partition... which parts should i move out to an encrypted partition then?
07:58<locklace>you can just use a minimal / and encrypt everything else if you want
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07:59<lecram>I'm having some issues with xdm on a fresh install
07:59<abrotman>lecram: need more information
07:59<lecram>it only displays the username box, not the password box by default
07:59<phoenix>halo ce tomboy
07:59<melkart>yes, but what does "everything else" consist of? i mean, by default, / contains everything... i have to manually specify which parts i want on a partition separate from / and which parts i want encrypted...
07:59<lecram>password box overlays the username box if you just hit enter
08:00<abrotman>lecram: last time i used xdm .. that was normal .. you enter the username, hit enter, then it will prompt for password
08:00<abrotman>lecram: i know that's how gdm works on this machine
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08:01<lecram>I'm sorta used to it just displaying the login and password entry boxes at the same time, and being able to tab between them
08:01<locklace>melkart: depends how you want to lay out your partitions. but you can just use crypt-backed lvm, so any lvm partitions are automatically encrypted, so then it's just a matter of deciding what other partitions you want. swap obviously, and /tmp is tmpfs, /var and /home are good candidates
08:02<abrotman>lecram: honestly i haven't used xdm in years .. but i'd imagine that's pretty common
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08:02<abrotman>lecram: maybe there's an option in the xdm config
08:02<lecram>not that I can find
08:03<lecram>and it differs from the behaviour I'm used to in freebsd
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08:08<pabs>anyone know how to start navit? I only get this:
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08:22<melkart>suppose i had to access my dm-crypt encrypted partitions (located within a logical volume) from another installation... how could i do that? is it at all possible? they are not automatically recognized from within nautilus, i already tried
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08:23<melkart>(whereas my encrypted partition on an external hard disk, but NOT inside a logical volume does get automatically recognized by nautilus and i can easily access it after i get prompted for the password)
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08:25<christoph>can anyone help me to make git use the EMAIL adress from the user calling sudo git commit instead of the superuser's ?
08:26<christoph>I would prefer to see in etckeeper which of the sudoers made the commit
08:26<christoph>asuming trustworth users, so forging $EMAIL is no issue
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08:28<lynn>I can't set vert my refresh rate by editing xorg.conf, try as I might. Anyone know what I might be missing?
08:28<locklace>melkart: seems better to back the whole lvm space with a crypt-mapped block device (pv)
08:28<locklace>christoph: just set GIT_CONFIG appropriately, see "git help config"
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08:30<locklace>lynn: syntax is in "man xorg.conf", grovel through your xorg.log file to see how it chooses monitor modes
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08:31<melkart>locklace: thank you... argh, what is a crypt-mapped block device (pv)? never heard of it before... sorry, that i am so uneducated
08:31<cahoot>lynn: xrandr -q doesn't list an option to your liking?
08:31<locklace>christoph: or alternatively you can use the EMAIL, GIT_AUTHOR_EMAIL and/or GIT_COMMITTER_EMAIL env vars directly
08:31<melkart>locklace: did you just mean that i should just make regular backups? (like on such an external encrypted hard disk i mentioned)
08:31<lynn>cahoot: let me try that
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08:33<locklace>melkart: say you have a physical partition /dev/sda3 you want to use as lvm space. you can use dm-crypt to encrypt the block device and provide the decrypted device as a mapped device in /dev/mapper, which you can then use as your lvm physical volume (pv)
08:33<lynn>cahoot: very informative, it seems that even though my 21" crt monitor is capable of several high-freq modes, the video card limits what I can do?
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08:38<cahoot>lynn: possibly create a modline with gtf
08:38<dr|z3d>We can see you, sandra.
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08:38<lynn>cahoot, i've done that
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08:39<lynn>cahoot, it seems i've been giving invalid data given the video card capabilities
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08:51<christoph>locklace, the EMAIL adress is set but git seems to not use it
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08:53<rbrito>Hi there.
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08:55<rbrito>I have one problem with udev and a package of mine. I would like to debug it... Can anybody help?
08:55<rbrito>The package in question is usbmount.
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08:57<cerpin>i installed alsa on my debian testing machine but i cannot hear any sound. tested it with mp3blaster and mpg321... it's on board soundcard - mcp61 nvidia
08:59<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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09:22<enouf>wow .. nice ALT key on this pos
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09:22<taj07c>hi all
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09:23<taj07c>i came in on friday looking for some sarge upgrade help
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09:23<dpkg>Find old Debian releases at
09:23<taj07c>i'm going through the process now, seems to be going smoothly, but i'm going to hang around in case things go awry
09:23<perryarmstrong>hey can anyone tell me how i can make my system download packages from the internet instead of from the cd
09:24*enouf needs a much better irssi starup script .,,ugh
09:24<abrotman>perryarmstrong: comment out the cdrom sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list
09:24<taj07c>perryarmstrong: what is in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
09:24<enouf>perryarmstrong: comment out the cdrom
09:25<enouf>taj07c: are you here connected through a different machine?
09:25<enouf>bravo - smart
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09:26<taj07c>hopefully that doesn't brake down i'd have to find someone to mind the desk for me while i go sort it out
09:26<enouf>just place your pet poodle on the desk - everyone will get a laugh ;-)
09:26<abrotman>taj07c: did you install screen before you started? are you using it now?
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09:27<taj07c>abrotman: yes, i also have a full on disk image of the system as it existed when the office closed on friday
09:27<taj07c>i'm confident the data is safe
09:28<abrotman>well .. the screen was in case your ssh gets dropped
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09:36<enouf>iceweasel 3.x version locked my poor CPU for like years, just from deleting bookmarks... great work
09:36<enouf>judd is still dead?
09:37<taj07c>ok, running into a little problem...
09:37<enouf>taj07c: play-by-play we don't need
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09:37<taj07c>enouf: do i need to set LC_ALL to something?
09:38<enouf>you might - seen waht /msg dpkg sarge->etch says?
09:39<enouf>taj07c: can you tell us which era the CPU is from? just for a recap - and i'll be running out for a little soon - make sure whomever pops in to help knows where you are (upgrading process from sarge ... etc)
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09:40<enouf>amphi: thought you'd like to know .. i finally kicked all of k d e to the curb for good -- that pofs ...
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09:41<taj07c>enouf: it's an i686
09:41<enouf>taj07c: i mean, tell us a bit about the hardware -- pentium4 ? SATA HDDs?
09:42<enouf>taj07c: pentium-pro is 686 as well ;-)
09:42<enouf>taj07c: is there more than 1G of RAM?
09:42<enouf>if not, consider sticking with a -486 kernel
09:43*enouf goes
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09:45<taj07c>if anyone is still about, I was getting perl warnings on kernel upgrade, let LC_ALL to C and that seems to be cleared up
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09:51<taj07c>now i'm getting "failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool" any insight?
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10:10<enouf>taj07c: sounds like initramfs-tools needs to be installed
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10:10<enouf>taj07c: you're still moving from sarge ---> etch?
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10:11<enouf>taj07c: did your sarge use 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 or higher?
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10:11<taj07c>was 2.4 something
10:11<enouf>taj07c: the other gtcha i recall was from hotplug-->udev
10:12<enouf>taj07c: no X is running on the machine, right?
10:12<taj07c>tried installing intiramfs-tools, but aptitude doesn't seem to play nice anymore
10:12<enouf>taj07c: check output of ps auxf and kill any unwanted services that are running - just precautionary
10:12<taj07c>now it just wants to upgrade the kernel
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10:13<enouf>taj07c: apt and aptitude did not play nice till Lenny
10:13<taj07c>i think it killed all the services earlier in the process
10:13<taj07c>i'll double check though
10:13<enouf>taj07c: "it wants"? upgrade from what to what?
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10:15<taj07c>hang on
10:16<taj07c>running aptitude install [anything] seems to just try to run the kernel upgrade and fails
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10:30<taj07c>whatever i've done now, i've killed it... rewriting the disk from the backup image. I'll try double-checking initramfs-tools is installed before i mess with the kernels this time
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10:35<enouf>wait .. whereami ?
10:35<enouf>you switched networks?
10:35<enouf>or .. did i originally connect to the _other_ one :-P
10:36<enouf>no wonder i couldn't find you .. heh
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10:36<ed_debian>I am using dstat. What is a pc's "load" or "load average" ?
10:37<taj07c>i've been here the whole time :)
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10:37<enouf>taj07c: my bad then
10:37<taj07c>no problem
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10:37<enouf>taj07c: it's better i didn't find you ;-)
10:37<enouf>you shou;d be doing what you are
10:37<taj07c>i suppose, i still have the same problem though
10:38<taj07c>i've got to get this system moved to etch
10:38<enouf>taj07c: remember, the pkg 'hotplug
10:38<enouf>must be uninstalled and udev added
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10:38<dpkg>i heard dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: see Etch is no longer Stable! Lenny is the latest Stable (5.0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch release notes here ..also see for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch
10:38<enouf>taj07c: i made that some time ago .. ;-)
10:38<enouf>an updated it recently., i think
10:39<taj07c>i'm using the etch release notes
10:39<taj07c>going from this:
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10:39<enouf>the other url shows nice lists of diffs
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10:39<enouf>suit yourself
10:39<taj07c>what should i remember about 'hotplug'
10:39<taj07c>enouf: if i should be using something else, i will
10:40<taj07c>obviously the last run didn't pan out too well
10:40<enouf>just read a lot .. and absorb
10:40<taj07c>will do
10:41<enouf>dpkg: dbse =~ s/betwen/between/
10:41<dpkg>OK, enouf
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10:43<taj07c>this may have been my problem: "Using yaird will cause linux-image-2.6 installations to fail if you are running a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel. "
10:43<taj07c>i believe yaird got installed at some point
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10:44<perryarmstrong>taj07c; can you have a look at this
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10:46<perryarmstrong>taj07c; ok
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10:51<perryarmstrong>taj07c; any idea??
10:52<taj07c>perryarmstrong: are we looking at the same thing? I don't see what there is to be an idea about--except it being a good one to think before you type
10:53<perryarmstrong>taj07c; in the sense
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11:17<luser>Stuck in a dselect loop - how do I get out:
11:17<luser> *** Req perl perl-base minimal Perl system
11:17<luser> *** Opt libs libperl5.8 Shared Perl library
11:17<luser> *** Opt perl libapache-re
11:18<luser>running stable
11:18<luser>It's complaining that libperl5.8 depends on perl-base. Yeah I know - that's why it's selected
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11:19<luser>Any suggestions to use aptitude or apt-get will be met with even more issues
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11:20<arn>Hi. I'm unable to install Lenny on i386 laptop due to kernel freeze. Can anyone help?
11:21<luser>first thing I normally do is see what an ubuntu boot disk makes of the system
11:23<locklace>arn: like, an actual 386 processor?
11:25<arn>locklace, laptop is Asus A9RP with Celeron M 440. The last line from dmesg is: Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode...Ok. I'm trying to install from Lenny i386 image.
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11:29<locklace>arn: that's interesting. have you ever gotten a debian kernel to boot on this laptop?
11:29<cahoot>arn: sometimes the trick is to disable apic and/or acpi
11:30<arn>locklace: no, it's first time. I have system running from the same DVDs on another laptop.
11:31<arn>cahoot: noapic, noacpi?
11:31<locklace>arn: you could try those (kernel options), or try a backported installer image with a more recent kernel - lots of laptop fixes lately
11:31<cahoot>arn: try one or the other or both
11:31<locklace>!d-i backport
11:31<dpkg>backport, you want to go to
11:32<locklace>hm, that's wrong and used to be right.
11:32<dpkg>For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see, or d-i backport
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11:36<Guest45>anybody can do better?
11:36<arn>cahoot: same freeze with noapic and/or noacpi.
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11:37<locklace>arn: try the installer backport
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11:37<ed_debian>locklace, Do you remember my problem with the mouse sticky-ness?
11:38<locklace>did you fix it
11:38<ed_debian>I am not running dstat to find a problem??
11:38<ed_debian>locklace, No I am wondering what should I be looking for with dstat. Right now I am watching load, cpu, net, system, and procs. Is there more to it than just looking for what the numbers are when I notice the slowness?
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11:39<ed_debian>locklace, Which would you watch?
11:39<locklace>look for patterns like i said, and look at man dstat and dstat --list to see all the types of info you can get
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11:39<luser>What's the solution to the "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
11:39<arn>locklace: oh, I've just found out that it's not actually stable lenny, but official shanpshot from 20081215. Ok, I'll try.
11:39<locklace>it's a general tool, play around with it for a while
11:39<luser>that I get when I run apt-get update
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11:40<locklace>luser: depends on "these problems". and you should use aptitude anyway
11:40<ed_debian>locklace, Ok, I think I get the general idea of what it is doing I just have to figure out what all the acronyms are.
11:40<ed_debian>locklace, Thank you!
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11:40<luser>locklace - W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: ABCDEFG12312313
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11:41<locklace>luser: any luck with "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring"
11:43<luser>locklace - it's talking about about 200 packages being "kept back", but only one package needs to be upgraded - I'll say "Y"
11:43<locklace>fine. if that works, follow on with an "aptitude update"
11:44<luser>locklace - can that command be added to the debian ticket about that issue. There are about 5 duplicates, and none of them list an actual solution
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11:44<locklace>i'm sure you can add it if you want
11:45<luser>I tend to do a lot of swearing when I do things like that.
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11:45<locklace>so did the update work
11:46<luser>locklace - is 'aptitude yadda' generally the same as 'apt-get yaddaa' ?
11:46<locklace>no, it's superior
11:46<locklace>!tell luser about why aptitude
11:46<luser>It did work
11:47<luser>That may have potential with my perl dependency problems...
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11:47<luser>What does "The following packages have been kept back:
11:47<luser>mean? Why are they kept back - I've not '=' them
11:48<locklace>just means they're upgradeable but you haven't upgraded them yet
11:48<locklace>you can do an "aptitude safe-upgrade" if you like
11:48<luser>Unknown command "safe-upgrade"
11:48<locklace>what debian version is this?
11:49<locklace>that explains it
11:49<luser>It's a server, it's supposed to be stable.
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11:49<locklace>that's not "stable" anymore, it's oldstable
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11:49<luser>So do I do a dist-upgrade rather than an upgrade?
11:50<luser>LAst time I had this issue on a different server I couldn't get out of the mess, and just re-installed stable from scratch
11:50<luser>!tell luser etch->lenny
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11:50<luser>"[dpkg] No, luser, I won't. (target invalid?)"
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11:51<luser>So he's alive, just not talkative
11:51<locklace>dpkg: etch->lenny
11:51<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
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11:53<luser>Resolving dependencies...
11:53<luser>open: 6430; closed: 4780; defer: 0; conflict: 2 ONo solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]
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11:53<locklace>that with dist-upgrade?
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11:54<locklace>try harder, i guess, or you could deinstall one or more of the conflicts with "aptitude remove"
11:54<luser>tried harder 12 times ;-)
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11:54<locklace>that's pretty hard.
11:55<luser>OK, I'll keep some notes, and keep the solution offered... wish me luck ;-)
11:57<Knorrie->if it's sarge, fist upgrade to etch, then to lenny, not direcly
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12:27<taj07c>trying kernel upgrade again
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12:27<taj07c>from 2.4 to 2.6.18-6-486
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12:28<taj07c>aptitude is installing yaird, as a dependency, so hopefully that wasn't the problem after all
12:28<taj07c>...same problem ramdisk issue
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12:35<taj07c>the hang up seems to be, as predicted, the move to udev
12:35<taj07c>initramfs-tools wants me to be running udev already
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12:36<taj07c>but as far as i can tell, the only way to get udev onto sarge is pushing the kernel to 2.6.15 or above
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12:40<taj07c>is a force install of udev a really bad idea?
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12:43<locklace>it probably will fail horribly if your kernel isn't new enough. better idea might be to install a newer kernel first
12:44<dpkg>cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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12:45<taj07c>locklace: that's the problem, the newer kernel won't install without initramfs-tools
12:45<taj07c>which won't install without udev
12:45<taj07c>any way out of this?
12:46<taj07c>if it helps, i can have system images and catastrophic failure is recoverable in under half an hour
12:46<luser>locklace - progress is good... many thanks. Still some hurdles to get over though...
12:46<taj07c>should read: i DO have system images, not can
12:46<locklace>might be a better way, but at least one is to build your own non-initrd kernel package
12:46<taj07c>locklace: I don't know where to begin with that, but I'm game to work through it if you have a starting point for me
12:47<locklace>or even just build the kernel and boot from it, might be enough to get you by
12:47<locklace>taj07c: ok, well, it's the kind of thing that's easy if you're used to compiling source packages or familiar with the kernel, but a bit time-consuming otherwise
12:49<taj07c>maybe it would be easier to figure out why the upgrade isn't going as it's supposed to?
12:49<taj07c>i found at least one person who recommends dpkg -i --force-all udev
12:49<taj07c>but like you said, that seems like it might go wrong really quick
12:50<locklace>ok. well just guessing, if someone has definite experience with forcing a udev install on an old kernel, that's worth heeding
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12:51<taj07c>similar problem, but not sure if they discuss current kernel version or not
12:51<locklace>hm, seems like a better idea could be to use aptitude to force-install all of (initramfs-tools, udev, kernel) at the same time
12:52<taj07c>that might be worth a shot
12:54<mint>hi all, i'm looking for something like apt-get source documentation
12:54<mint>i don't wana do reverse engeenering (sorry my english) to understand how it works
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12:56<mint>do you know where to find something about apt-get
12:56<locklace>mint: did you already read
12:56<mint>but not HOWTOs?
12:56<mint>locklace, i think not... checking thx
12:57<mint>oh yes
12:57<mint>i saw it
12:57<mint>i dont want to know how to use apt
12:57<mint>i want to know about how it works internally
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12:58<mint>what i saw is about indexes like Packages.gz
12:58<mint>or Sources.gz
12:58<mint>those files are headers of the repos
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12:59<mint>and i want to know how to parse them
12:59<locklace>ok. i've found good documentation on apt* somewhat hard to come by, so good luck
12:59<mint>and how to determine dependencies
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13:01<taj07c>locklace: force install of udev runs into dependency issues with libc6 and others
13:01<taj07c>libc6 2.7-1 is going to want a new kernel as well
13:01<taj07c>looks like that's out
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13:05<locklace>taj07c: not sure how you got yourself into dependency hell, but you're definitely there
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13:05<locklace>taj07c: how about just force-install of initramfs-tools and kernel
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13:05<taj07c>i can say confidently that it wasn't me... i just inherited a system that has been neglected for 5+ years
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13:06<taj07c>still pulls up udev dependency
13:06<locklace>hence "force"
13:06<taj07c>what command should i use -- apt-get -f install gives me dependencies
13:07<taj07c>do it manually?
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13:07<locklace>what debian version is this?
13:08<locklace>and you're trying to do sarge->etch?
13:08<taj07c>hitting problems at the kernel stage of
13:08<locklace>do you have etch entries in your current sources.list or just sarge?
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13:09<locklace>dpkg: sarge->etch
13:09<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <etch release notes>. The recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the procedure in the release notes. Also ask me about <etch security>. It's time to put those upgrade plans into action, as Sarge security support ended on 31 March 2008 (
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13:09<taj07c>yeah, already looked at that, helps to a point, but then this
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13:10<taj07c>cant seem to find any help moving to udev on those pages
13:11<locklace>ok, so you already did the "aptitude upgrade" and "aptitude install initrd-tools"?
13:11<taj07c>those went off without a hitch
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13:11<taj07c>at least as far as i could tell
13:11<taj07c>no errors or warnings thrown
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13:12<locklace>ok. what bootloader are you using?
13:12<taj07c>initrd-tools upgraded libc6, but not far enough
13:12<taj07c>grep, i think, haven't checked for sure
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13:12<locklace>i guess you mean grub
13:13<taj07c>...silly mistake...
13:13<locklace>ok, what happens if you manually get the etch kernel package from the web and install it with dpkg -i
13:14<locklace>ok, actually from the comments in the release notes i'm thinking about doing things this way:
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13:15<taj07c>downloading kernel now, will leave it for the moment, but if you think a dpkg -i is likely to work any better, i'll run it
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13:15<locklace>what libc version do you have now?
13:17<taj07c>.dsl-13etch9+b1 if that matters
13:17<taj07c>udev wants 2.7
13:17<locklace>heh, what you are experiencing right now is the absolute worst part of linux
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13:17<locklace>and always has been
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13:18<locklace>what problems do you hit if you attempt to upgrade libc?
13:19<taj07c>wants a new kernel, i think
13:19<taj07c>hang on
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13:20<taj07c>yeah, says it wants kernel version 2.6
13:21<locklace>ok, i think you're going to have to force-install udev with dpkg. doing it with dpkg should give you the right options to push that through
13:22<taj07c>just did that unilaterally
13:22<taj07c>and purged hotplug
13:22<taj07c>which it asked me to do
13:23<locklace>ok. so new udev now? any problem with upgrading the kernel package now?
13:23<taj07c>it doesn't seem to have helped though
13:23<taj07c>initramfs-tools still complains about no udev
13:24<locklace>can you install it with dpkg?
13:24<taj07c>aptitude is saying udev is unused and wants me to uninstall it
13:24<locklace>that's fine, stick with dpkg for the moment
13:24<taj07c>downloading it, trying with dpkg
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13:25<taj07c>ok, this is a little different
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13:26<taj07c>initramfs-tools now complains of needing busybox and busybox-cvs-static
13:26<taj07c>as well as klibc-utils
13:26<taj07c>no candidate version for -cvs-static
13:27<taj07c>the other two download fine, i'll try to install them
13:27<locklace>ok, can you try installing the kernel package with dpkg -i?
13:27<taj07c>it starts to unpack but fails
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13:28<locklace>hm. the busybox packages should have only libc as dependency at least
13:28<taj07c>package shipped with symbolic link to /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/source
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13:28<taj07c>cannot read target
13:28<taj07c>then fails to create initrd image
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13:29<locklace>and the klibc-utils should depend only on libklibc which is independent
13:30<taj07c>ok, busybox installs ok
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13:30<kristianpaul>dpkg, tell mint about sources.list
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13:31<taj07c>klibc wants the dependency, i'll download it it now
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13:32<taj07c>i think we might be in business
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13:32<taj07c>building ramdisk
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13:32<taj07c>found kernel, updating grub
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13:35<luser>Eeeeep! apache-perl 1.3.x is Obsolete! ?!?!??!?
13:36<gsimmons>!apache 1.3
13:36<dpkg>i heard apache 1.3 is obsolete, see and ask me about <apache2> instead.
13:37<bzed>luser: welcome to 2009. apache1.3 is sooo 2004
13:37<luser>Worse than that. I've done dist-upgrade, and upgrade twice, but dselect is still telling me that libperl5.8 depends on perl-base, yet I've got both packages selected
13:37<luser>My websites are also sooo 2004.
13:37<locklace>please don't use dselect
13:38<luser>I've been using dselect since the 1990s, nothing else is vaguely usable
13:38<locklace>aptitude, man
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13:39<ml|>dpkg: tell luser about why aptitude
13:39<locklace>just enter "aptitude" with no args to get the interactive interface
13:39<luser>I pressed a key in aptitude, and it changed the display, and I didn't know what I'd done, so I quit and it saved that new display setting, so I can't get back the display I had
13:40<taj07c>locklace: thanks a ton
13:40<locklace>well, you can always remove your ~/.aptitude cache directory which is where those config settings end up
13:40<taj07c>dist-upgrade went through clean with the new kernel
13:40<locklace>taj07c: now comes the fun part, rebooting and praying
13:41<luser>"[1(1)/...] Suggest 2 keeps" what does that mean?
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13:41<luser>'e' leads me to:
13:41<luser> --\ Keep the following packages at their current version:
13:41<luser> bsd-mailx [UNINST]
13:41<luser> libssp0 [4.1.1-21 (now)]
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13:41<ml|>dpkg: tell luser about paste
13:41<luser>wow - 3 lines - what monstrous flood
13:42<taj07c>locklace: carefully going through the "before the next reboot" section on the release notes now
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13:46<luser>"Some dependencies of libperl5.8 are not satisfied: * libperl5.8 depends on perl-base (= 5.8.8-11.1+lenny1) [UNAVAILABLE] "
13:46<luser>that's aptitude, btw
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13:46<luser>how can something depend on something that's not available?
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13:47<b52light>i got a vaio laptop and i can nor reduce brightness with default fn + keys
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13:48<ed_debian>b52light, Are you using gnome?
13:48<b52light>ed_debian, openbox
13:49<ed_debian>b52light, Maybe look for a package that lets you adjust the brightness from the command line. If then work on getting those keys to perform.
13:49<taj07c>ok, bad news... the new kernel freezes during boot on "waiting for root file system..."
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13:49<b52light>ed_debian, hm ok
13:49<taj07c>it boots into the old kernel and seems to run ok
13:49<ed_debian>(remove that "if")
13:49<locklace>luser: perl-base in lenny is 5.10.0-19
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13:51<locklace>taj07c: root device id or numbering issue?
13:51<taj07c>the release notes warn of problems with devfs, but that doesn't seem to be it cat /proc/mounts | grep "devfs" returns nothing
13:51<luser>When I press 'd' on cpp-4.1 it goes to another screen that makes no sense to me. 'q' just takes me back to the screen where it's listed as installed
13:51<taj07c>maybe, i wouldn't know about that
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13:52<locklace>taj07c: what is your root filesystem device
13:53<taj07c>not sure locklace. educate me?
13:53<locklace>taj07c: look at /etc/fstab
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13:54<taj07c>sure, /dev/hda1
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13:54<locklace>is that an ordinary ide controller?
13:54<taj07c>i assume so
13:54<taj07c>could be a controller issue?
13:55<locklace>well, it's going to be some udev-related stupidity
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13:55<locklace>can you boot the new kernel with the kernel options root=/dev/hda1 init=/bin/bash and get a working command prompt?
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13:57<taj07c>not sure, trying now
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13:57<locklace>actually it would be good to know the disk controllers/devices/partitions the new kernel can see. you can find this out either by inspecting the kernel messages at boot or directly if you can get a working shell
13:58<luser>Is there any view in aptitude that's vaguely like the old dselect one?
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13:59<luser>At this rate, I'm going to have more luck just using apt-get install and dpkg -P
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13:59<taj07c>locklace: what's the best way to reboot with the kernel options, i don't want to change /sys/module, do I?
13:59<locklace>well, most of the time i just use aptitude from the cli, "aptitude install ..." etc
14:00<locklace>taj07c: no, you just enter them in at the bootloader
14:00<thedoctor>is there anyone here who could help me write a line in my fstab?
14:00<locklace>taj07c: in grub you can hit "e" on any of the items to edit the kernel commandline
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14:01<locklace>thedoctor: what device do you want mounted and where do you want it mounted at
14:01<taj07c>giving it a shot now
14:01<thedoctor>i have a sata (fat32) hard drive that i want mounted on /media/disk
14:01<thedoctor>i am just having issues with the options
14:01<thedoctor>so that it both mounts at boot and can be read/write/executed from my user account
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14:02<thedoctor>right now the line is: /dev/sdb1 /media/disk vfat auto,user,rw,utf8 0 0
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14:05<thedoctor>fuck did i miss my tidbit of advice with the fstab?
14:05<thedoctor>CURSE MY IGNORANCE
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14:06<taj07c>locklace: no luck
14:06<locklace>thedoctor: your line looks fine to me, does running "mount -a" result in it getting mounted
14:06<taj07c>root is auto-set to /dev/hda1
14:06<taj07c>setting init doesn't help
14:06<thedoctor>it gets mounted automatically at boot
14:06<thedoctor>which is grand
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14:06<locklace>taj07c: what can you glean from the kernel boot messages about the disk controllers/devices it sees
14:07<thedoctor>but only the root user has permissions to do anything but read files
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14:07<luser>Well, Chiark is still running Apache 1.3. If it's good enough for Ian Jackson, why isn't it good enough for other 'stable' debian users?
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14:07<locklace>thedoctor: not sure how the permissions thing works for windows filesystems or if there's some trick to make them read-write by a non-root user, maybe someone else knows
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14:08<thedoctor>is fat32 a windows file system? i thought it was public domain or somesuch
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14:09<luser>There are patents on it, but there's core functionality which is freely distributable.
14:10<luser>it causes issues in some fat-juicy-sueable companies who distribute linux-based devices
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14:11<taj07c>locklace: it finds ide 0 on irq14 and ide1 on irq15, but that's most of what i can get from it
14:11<locklace>thedoctor: ah, try uid option
14:12<taj07c>however, if i leave it looking for /dev/hda1 long enough it tells me it doesn't exist and goes to a prompt
14:12<taj07c>i'm seeing if it will load bash if i boot with init=/bin/bash and leave it
14:12<locklace>taj07c: ok, that's good, that's discussed in the release notes
14:12<locklace>taj07c: the workaround there is to boot with rootdelay=9
14:13<locklace>although that assumes that it actually does eventually find the root device
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14:13<locklace>we can confirm if you're able to get a shell
14:14<taj07c>let's see...
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14:15<taj07c>no bash
14:16<taj07c>but the debug shell finds console, null and tty0-8 in /dev/
14:16<locklace>ok, that's busybox shell i guess
14:16<locklace>can you "cat /proc/partitions"
14:18<taj07c>major minor #blocks name
14:18<taj07c>the prompt is (initramfs) rather than busybox, if that means anything to you
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14:20<locklace>how about "cat /proc/scsi/scsi"
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14:21<taj07c>no such file
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14:21<locklace>do you have a dmesg command there? does "dmesg" work
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14:22<taj07c>what should i look for in it?
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14:22<locklace>hopefully there's also a pager like more or less so "dmesg | more" works
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14:23<locklace>you want to look through the dmesg output to see whether the kernel is identifying any of your disks or partitions. the fact that /proc/partitions is empty is not a good sign really
14:23<taj07c>more works
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14:24<taj07c>probing ide interface on ide0
14:24<luser>locklace - 'aptitude remove' is working well - thanks!
14:25<taj07c>hda: ######, ATA DISK drive
14:25<taj07c>also seems to find the cdrom
14:25<taj07c>it does note that it is assuming a system bus speed of 33MHz which might be wrong
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14:26<taj07c>says i can override with idebus=
14:26<luser>What age/type of IDE bus is it? It might well be 33MHz
14:26<locklace>but you don't have any hda* devices in your current /dev, right
14:27<taj07c>console, null, and tty0-8
14:27<locklace>this is some udev stupidity
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14:27<locklace>since the old kernel boots but the new one fails i'm almost wondering if you're still running the old udev
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14:29<taj07c>that seems like a likely conclusion
14:29<locklace>i'm thinking it might be a good idea to boot on the working kernel, verify udev version and reinstall new kernel package
14:30<locklace>now that you've done the full dist-upgrade things might be different
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14:31<taj07c>i'm rebooting into the old kernel
14:31<taj07c>it's worth noting that sarge wasn't running udev at all
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14:32<taj07c>hotplug instead
14:32<taj07c>maybe hotplug is just lingering somewhere, blocking up the works?
14:32<locklace>ok. start off with an "aptitude update" and see if there's any more things you can upgrade in this state
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14:33<taj07c>i tried to purge it with aptitude, and that seemed to work, but we didn't do the kernel upgrade the conventional way
14:33<taj07c>the release notes give me the impression that aptitude would've yanked hotplug when it ran the update
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14:34<locklace>yeah, we should be in better shape to do things with aptitude instead of dpkg now which may help
14:34<taj07c>ummm... -bash: aptitude:command not found
14:34<taj07c>apt-get updates normally
14:35<abrotman>part of the sarge->etch is the removal of hotplug IIRC
14:35<locklace>heh, oh hell. can you "apt-get install aptitude"
14:35<taj07c>yes, but it throws dependency problems
14:35<taj07c>this could get fun.
14:36<locklace>what kind of problems
14:36<taj07c>wants libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11
14:37<taj07c>which wants libc6 2.7
14:37<taj07c>but we're still stuck at 2.3.6
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14:37<locklace>ok, but you should be able to upgrade libc now because of the new kernel install, right?
14:37<hodgkin>taj07c: sudo !!
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14:38<abrotman>taj07c: which part of the upgrade are you doing now ?
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14:39<locklace>we're stuck in the middle of the kernel upgrade
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14:39<abrotman>from what to what?
14:40<locklace>sarge (2.4) kernel to etch (2.6) kernel
14:40<taj07c>sarge ->etch
14:40<abrotman>so the sarge kernel boots? but the etch one fails?
14:40<abrotman>did you try to reinstall the bootloader?
14:40<taj07c>can't find /root
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14:40<abrotman>or did you switch bootloaders?
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14:40<locklace>grub seems fine
14:40<abrotman>is the system SCSI? IDE? SATA?
14:40<taj07c>still running grub
14:41<abrotman>(i found out a few months ago that a dist-upgrade doesn't run grub-install)
14:41<abrotman>or any bootloader install
14:41<SQlvpapir>abrotman: why would it?
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14:41<SQlvpapir>if a new kernel is installed it will ad it to whatever bootloader is installed
14:42<taj07c>grub-install -v returns 0.97
14:42<locklace>grub is working fine
14:42<abrotman>SQlvpapir: in my case .. the machine started as uhm .. slink i believe (this was an alpha box) .. and when i did the dist-upgrade to lenny, the aboot couldn't boot the lenny kernel
14:42<taj07c>and both kernels show up under grub
14:42<abrotman>the aboot was likely from the slink version
14:42<locklace>taj07c: try: "apt-get install --reinstall <kernel package name>"
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14:42<abrotman>SQlvpapir: no .. not the bootloader config .. the actual bootloader
14:43<SQlvpapir>I dont get it
14:43<SQlvpapir>you boot up without a bootloader, dist-upgrade and expect it to install a bootloader by itself?
14:43<taj07c>locklace: ouch... failed to find suitable ramdisc
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14:44<taj07c>it doesn't like initramfs-tools again
14:44<abrotman>SQlvpapir: uhm .. no
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14:44<locklace>taj07c: ok, try the same but with initramfs-tools then
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14:45<abrotman>SQlvpapir: i mean the MBR bootloader
14:45<ramoonas>hi all. I am having trouble setting up wireless at my home. I have deployed d-link access point and i want to connect to it using WPA2 security. I have installed wifi-radar, but i have no idea what to enter in wpa driver section
14:45<taj07c>and we've found the root of the problem... depends: udev
14:45<taj07c>which depends libc6 again
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14:46<locklace>taj07c: yeah, that was predictable. even though it shouldn't really be happening since you supposedly do have udev installed...
14:46<abrotman>it might not be new enough
14:46<taj07c>we just fooled dpkg into thinking udev was running long enough to get everything installed
14:46<taj07c>abrotman: we're stuck on libc6 2.3.6
14:46<abrotman>which is what is in etch
14:47<abrotman>taj07c: are your sources pointing at etch or lenny?
14:48<locklace>taj07c: what do you get with "dpkg -s udev"
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14:49<taj07c>a big list of output
14:49<locklace>specifically the "status" and "version" fields
14:49<taj07c>what you're looking for is probably this: version: 0.125-7+lenny1
14:50<taj07c>status deinstall ok config-files
14:50<locklace>how did you end up with a lenny package and not an etch one
14:50<taj07c>we need to find an older udev, apparently
14:50<locklace>the etch version is 0.105-4etch1
14:50<locklace>that's the one you need
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14:52<taj07c>i find a udev-105.tar.gz at
14:53<abrotman>not sure i'd try that
14:53<taj07c>is there a debian-specific mirror i should use instead?
14:53<luser>locklace - I've run aptitude remove on tons of stuff - how do I make it purge all the cruft that accompanied them?
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14:53<locklace>get the etch package
14:53<abrotman>taj07c: if you `apt-cache policy udev` .. what does it say? can you paste it ?
14:53<abrotman>luser: you purge it
14:53<luser>abrotman - there were 200 packages, they've scrolled off my screen now
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14:53<locklace>luser: "aptitude purge ..." instead of (or in addition to) "aptitude remove ..."
14:53<abrotman>luser: dpkg -l | egrep "^rc"
14:54<taj07c>abrotman: i think i found it
14:54<taj07c> is pointing to stable
14:54<abrotman>whoops .. that'll do it
14:54<locklace>yeah, was just going to say, you seem to have wrong entries in your sources.list
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14:54<locklace>so now things are going to be in a bad state of hoseage
14:54<luser>where did you get the 'rc' from? it's not in dpkg manpage
14:55<taj07c>locklace: that's probably been our problem from the start
14:55<locklace>taj07c: yes
14:55<locklace>taj07c: this would be a fine time to reset to the backup image and start over, this time without making errors in sources.list
14:55<taj07c>now aptitude installs
14:56<taj07c>locklace: that sounds best
14:56<abrotman>luser: if you `dpkg -l bash` ... you'll see the package states at the top
14:56<taj07c>can have it running again in under half an hour
14:56<abrotman>taj07c: you should be able to finish without restoring
14:57<taj07c>abrotman: that is also good, saves me the half hour
14:57<abrotman>well ... it'll be more difficult, but not impossible
14:57<locklace>abrotman: he might be able to, but who knows what state the system will be in then, with random lenny packages
14:57<abrotman>locklace: i thought his eventual goal was lenny ?
14:57<locklace>my view, start over clean, chance is too great otherwise that we'll hit another showstopper
14:58<luser># aptitude purge `dpkg -l | egrep "^rc" | cut -d ' ' -f 3` works well
14:58<taj07c>abrotman: lenny is probably the goal, but really this system only needs to run long enough to update the mission critical software on it and move to a newer, cleaner server
14:58<abrotman>luser: a bit more than i would have used .. but okay
14:58<abrotman>taj07c: ah ok
14:59<taj07c>frankly, this machine has been neglected for over 5 years up until i got here, and i'm stuck with the mess
14:59<luser>Oh, I looked at the grep first - I wanted rid of all the crap for good
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14:59<luser>The server doesn't have a screen attached, it really didn't need x11_yaddayadda-0.12
14:59<locklace>luser: one of the good things about using aptitude is that it will keep track of stuff that gets auto-installed to meet dependencies and then remove it for you when it's no longer needed, helps keep junk from accumulating
15:00<luser>locklace - that's a WIN!
15:00<locklace>!win aptitude
15:00<dpkg>Congratulations, aptitude! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland!
15:00<luser>now typing aptitude purge dselect ...
15:01<hodgkin>hey all: how do i revert back to network manager from wicd?
15:01<luser>the gui part is utterly alien to me, but command line looks almost as good as dselect was
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15:02<taj07c>running dist-upgrade again
15:02<taj07c>hopefully better on reboot this time
15:02<taj07c>if not, i'll start from the image again
15:03<locklace>don't think that will do anything about the lenny packages you have installed now
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15:04<taj07c>locklace: as long as they don't wreck my database, webserver or perl libraries, i don't care
15:04<taj07c>the system only has to exist for a few more days
15:04<taj07c>i'll probably just move it to lenny before running the upgrades anyway
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15:05<luser>'aptitude why' is a win!
15:05<taj07c>i think my software is going to want libc6 2.7 anyway
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15:07<shamanix>anyone know how I can get a nokia 2626 working in linux? tried gammu but the phone doesn't seem to be supported
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15:07<Canuck>are you looking to install debian on the phone? or just want to connect it via usb?
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15:08<shamanix>connect it via usb of course
15:08<shamanix>LOL debian on a nokia 2626, the phone has 3.2 mb of memory that would be interesting
15:09<SQlvpapir>shamanix: 2.4 :/
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15:09<GhostlyDeath>How could I enable X to use transparency?
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15:10<shamanix>ooops your right SQLvpapir
15:10<locklace>GhostlyDeath: what kind of transparency
15:10<GhostlyDeath>locklace: Alpha Transparency
15:10<Canuck>what's your desktop shamanix?
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15:11<locklace>GhostlyDeath: i mean what exactly do you want to achieve
15:11<shamanix>Canuck lenny + lxde
15:11<GhostlyDeath>locklace: I want to see through windows
15:12<GhostlyDeath>Such as they can set a transparency value
15:12<GhostlyDeath>and they appear as such instead of fully opaque
15:12<locklace>GhostlyDeath: you can install xcompmgr and transset-df
15:12<locklace>GhostlyDeath: xcompmgr is a package, transset-df isn't really packaged yet but is easy to install anyway
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15:13<GhostlyDeath>I'll check those out
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15:13<Canuck>my first thought is to try wammu - it's based on the gammu library
15:14<shamanix>I get the following error in wammu: Error while communicating with phone Description: Unknown model type string. Check config file Function: Init Error code: 19
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15:14<vasylek>hi everybody
15:14<shamanix>I did use wammu, but since its a gui shouldnt make a difference
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15:16<vasylek>somebody from poland is this channel???
15:16<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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15:19<shamanix>I could try gnokii but the command line for that prog is ridicoulisly complicated, and none of the guis I found for it compile properly
15:20<Canuck>hmmm - I'm thinking you're out of luck shamanix - I think the problem is that the phone is so entry level that it wasn't meant for pc connectivity
15:21<shamanix>thats, true, I only know of one prog that supports it on windows, only one out of far too many
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15:22<KaiSVK>hi all
15:22<Canuck>I'm chatting on msn with a friend of mine and he says any nokia that starts with a 2 ain't gonna work
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15:22<shamanix>according to gammu phone database they do at least 2610 and 2630, however 2626 isnt on their list
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15:23<Canuck>then roll up your sleeves shamanix - time to write an interface for it :)
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15:24<shamanix>I guess its time to start learning some C/C++ :-)
15:25<Canuck>or at least get in touch with one of their developers and say you have the device and are willing to be a guinea pig
15:26<shamanix>I guess thats my best bet, AFAIK the file system is the same as any S40 based nokia, so it shouldnt be too hard in theory
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15:27<Canuck>exactly - it may be as simple as adding a device ID into their DB and possible adding some switches into their code to deal with particulars
15:28<shamanix>my guess is the error Unknown model type string is just that, the prog refuses to work with anything it doesnt know of
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15:31<zack>hi2all again
15:32<zack>problems with wifi - now all is ok...but....
15:32<Canuck>need a hand with wifi zack?
15:33<zack>no thanks...wifi is workng...problem was in kernel
15:33<zack>now problem with sound...
15:34<zack>in xfce4-mixer is empty list of audio devices...
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15:34<Canuck>using debian lenny?
15:34<zack>but sound working,,,now listening music with audacius
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15:36<zack>all needed also utils and driver are installed
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15:38<zack>what i need to do?
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15:39<Canuck>not sure -- but if the sound is working why break it :) (kidding)
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15:42<marshh>does it works?
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15:42<shamanix>Canuck here's a debug log from wammu maybe you can make more sense of it then I can
15:43<Canuck>zack - if you login as root do you see the devices?
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15:46*abrotman thinks that was drive-by tofu
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15:49<zack>sorry...all right...reboot and list is 2 all
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15:49<Canuck>shamanix - definitely reach out to the gammu devs - basically it's communicating with the phone, asks for the device ID and doesn't recognize so it's giving you the finger :)
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15:53<Canuck>ok guys I'm out - peace
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15:56<_arcangel777_>Ciao :D
15:56<_arcangel777_>sera a tutti
15:57<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:01<chatuu>when i try to use debian sid there is some unmeeting depency when i try to install gnome, anyone can help ?
16:01<chatuu>can you help ?
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16:02<abrotman>that's part of using unstable .. if you want stuff to work, use stable
16:02<chatuu>abrotman, like i know what you mean
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16:03<chatuu>the packages are not well configured
16:03<chatuu>i just want to know if it is normal
16:03<chatuu>cause i used for long and it never happened abrotman
16:04<abrotman>it happens sometimes
16:04<abrotman>!sid upgrade
16:04<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
16:04<chatuu>the testing version the packages are to old
16:04<Hydroxide>does dovecot's IMAP server support forcing SSL or TLS?
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16:05<chatuu>and i like the idea of rolling realese about sid abrotman
16:05<abrotman>Hydroxide: couldn't you just close the non-tls port ?
16:05<Hydroxide>abrotman: is there no way to allow the IMAPS port plus require STARTTLS on the IMAP port?
16:06<abrotman>(i haven't mucked with dovecot in awhile and should just keep quiet)
16:06<kenyon>chatuu: testing is also a rolling release, and the packages come from sid
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16:06<kenyon>but testing is much more usable
16:06<abrotman>Hydroxide: i've been using cyrus .. when i setup the mail server at work, dovecot still didn't support shared maildirs
16:06<chatuu>kenyon, in about some months the pacakge will frozze right ?
16:07<kenyon>where did you hear that?
16:07<abrotman>chatuu: if you follow debian news, you'll know when testing is going into a freeze
16:07<Hydroxide>abrotman: ah
16:07<kenyon>last I saw the time was "when it's ready"
16:08<kenyon>for freezing squeeze
16:08<abrotman>Hydroxide: though i'd like to re-evaluate dovecot .. it's gotta be less messy than cyrus
16:08<abrotman>chatuu: but currently testing is not frozen and packages are flowing in
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16:08<chatuu>abrotman, kenyon thanks
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16:08<deniz_>when you want to reply to a bug report by email its n@debian what?
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16:09<chatuu>abrotman, kenyon i am using squezze right now...
16:09<kenyon>me too
16:09<dpkg>_arcangel777_: VATTENE VIA
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16:10<chatuu>abrotman, kenyon if i leave "testing" on my souces.list the next genaretion... like... when squezze becames stable... the testing version will change a lot right ?
16:10<abrotman>chatuu: yes, but not at first
16:10<kenyon>chatuu: yes
16:10<kenyon>that's why I use squeeze in sources.list
16:11<chatuu>but that is my point
16:11<kenyon>what is your point?
16:11<chatuu>i would like better sid
16:11<abrotman>then don't complain about broken packages
16:11<chatuu>so it will be just "updating" never dist-upgrading
16:11<kenyon>so would testing
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16:12<chatuu>i will keep with testing
16:12<kenyon>yeah I have no problems with testing now
16:12<chatuu>kenyon, abrotman thanks =]
16:13<chatuu>kenyon, it is cool but still "old" but works really nice
16:13<chatuu>and light
16:14<kenyon>for "old" packages, check if there is a new version in sid. if there is, it will go into testing eventually, and you can use to see why it's not in testing yet.
16:14<chatuu>yeah i do that
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16:15<chatuu>but i can't use sometimes...
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16:15<chatuu>but anyways.. i like squezze now
16:15<chatuu>thanks and see you
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16:25<Txt_file1>how can I print a html to pdf?
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16:27<mysoogal>hello can someone help me with this
16:27<mysoogal>for i in *.avi; do mencoder "$i.avi" -o "$i" -af volume=10 -aspect 16:9 -of avi -noodml -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=500:level_idc=41:bframes=3:frameref=2: nopsnr: nossim: pass=1: threads=auto -oac mp3lame ; done
16:28<mysoogal>not seem to be working not encoding
16:29<shamanix>avi and x264 dont mix
16:29<kenyon>I would try that.
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16:30<shamanix>x264 in avi is a hack and a brutaly ugly one
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16:30<Txt_file1>tried that. it created only blank pdf. either I missed something to config or something else
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16:33<Txt_file1>I coosed the wrong printer
16:33<Txt_file1>now its working
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16:40<shamanix>what is a good prog that supports metalink?
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16:48<oposszum>sziasztok valaki?
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16:50<shamanix>he valaki aki tud magyarul
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17:01<actachyon>testing connection
17:01<actachyon>anybody please rely
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17:02<actachyon>I am looking for help on installing debian from windows
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17:03<shamanix>sorry, cant help you there, I did a clean install
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17:04<shamanix>hehe good domain name ;-)
17:05<actachyon>so i should be able to install from
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17:12<shamanix>I get when trying to compile a perl file, can anyone tell me what this means?
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17:13<kenyon>shamanix: you don't have tk installed?
17:14<shamanix>that was my first thought but according to synaptic, aptitude, etc I do
17:14<kenyon>!info perl-tk
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17:15<dpkg>perl-tk: (Perl module providing the Tk graphics library), section perl, is optional. Version: 1:804.028-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2390 kB, Installed size: 8192 kB
17:15<kenyon>maybe that.
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17:15<shamanix>installing right now
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17:38<shamanix>!beer kenyon
17:38*dpkg pulls out a tasty Jever for kenyon
17:38<shamanix>thanks perl-tk did the trick
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17:43<Apollo>anyone have a choice on a laptop with wifi under $500?
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17:55<Txt_file1>Apollo: there are many notebooks with WLAN for less than $500
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18:14<deniz>how do i mount an iso?
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18:14<kenyon>!iso mount
18:14<dpkg>i heard iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
18:16<deniz>kenyon, ok but for the path part, there are spaces in the directory and the terminal doesn't recognize spaces as spaces so do I have to put some other character in place of a space or must I rename the folder graphically?
18:16<kenyon>escape them with a \ before the space
18:16<kenyon>tab completion should help
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18:17<locklace>or quote them, cd 'foo bar'. but stop putting spaces in file and dir names
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18:19<deniz>kenyon, wat do i put for mount point?
18:19<kenyon>deniz: some directory, like /mnt/whatever or anywhere really
18:19<deniz>kenyon, home?
18:20<kenyon>then the mounted ISO will appear under there.
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18:33<Apollo>I understand about the laptops being available, does anyone have a comment on the aspire one with that tiny 8.9 screen? Can I buy it and install Debain?
18:33<Apollo>I need it with wifi
18:34<Apollo>do I need to install non-free?
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18:35<Txt_file1>what chipset it has in it
18:36<Canuck>what model apollo?
18:36<Apollo>acer aspire one
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18:37<locklace>Apollo: it'll work, lots of netbook work in the kernel lately, you might need to build/install a new kernel to get some things working
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18:38<Apollo>with the money I would spend it would be mostly internet and program code
18:38<Canuck>most of the aspire one's use atheros wifi - so it'll probably work -- if you could give me a specific model number it would help
18:39<Apollo>well I'm fishing Canuck
18:39<Apollo>I'm looking for a recommendation mostly
18:40<locklace>recommendation: get something with a less cramped screen and a nice keyboard
18:40<Canuck>the a110 and a150 will work no prob (they offer a linux option for those) - it's the D150 I'm not sure of
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18:40<Apollo>I'll check it out thanks!
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18:42<Zviper>could someone tell me the command to grep port 80?
18:42<Canuck>you want to do what to port 80? lol
18:43<Zviper>i wanna see what's running on it haha
18:43<locklace>netstat -lp
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18:45<Caithness>when i installed debian, ubuntu wouldn't boot any more: grub told me "you have to start the kernel first" when i tried
18:45<Caithness>so i loaded the ubuntu live cd and reinstalled grub from there
18:45<Caithness>and now debian is missing from the list
18:45<Caithness>could somebody tell me how to add it?
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18:46<Txt_file1>why do you want to have ubuntu AND debian?
18:46<Caithness>why not?
18:46<abrotman>you have to choose which OS is going to manage the bootloader
18:46<Caithness>debian is for learning, and ubuntu is for fun
18:46<abrotman>or tell grub which config to read
18:46*abrotman thinks learning is fun ...
18:47<locklace>"this is my rifle, this is my gun! this one's for fighting, this one's for fun!"
18:47<Caithness>learning can be fun if it's not too hard
18:47<Caithness>i think grub is probably configured through ubuntu right now
18:48<Txt_file1>I would try it with a boot-partition.
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18:49<Caithness>i remember having a similar problem back when i still wanted to use windows
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18:50<simonrvn>sometimes you need a challenge
18:50<Canuck>cathness - first make a backup of menu.lst
18:50<Canuck>*caithness - sorry bout the mispell
18:51<Canuck>running "grub-install /dev/hda" should do the trick - surprised ubuntu didn't automatically add debian for you
18:51<Canuck>note: replace /dev/hda with whatever your hard drive is --
18:51<Caithness>i think it's sda
18:52<Canuck>probably sda - I'm going off of memory here ;)
18:53<Caithness>where's menu.lst? the root directory?
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18:54<kuber>anyone have any suggestions for a wireless gamepad that is well supported in linux/deb ?
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18:54<Canuck>caithness - based on your answers I'd suggest you do some reading on partitioning and grub -- basically the menu.lst is the key for you
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18:56<simonrvn>os-prober helps ...
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19:01<dumb_usr>whta's the virtual machine app for linux?
19:02<locklace>there are like 8
19:02<dumb_usr>anything better than virtualbox?
19:02<locklace>!tell dumb_usr about kvm
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19:03<ml|>dpkg: tell dumb_usr about virtualization
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19:04<duraperidol>anyone have any ideas why on a brand-new debian install (5 days old) that the mouse cursor dissappears whenever a logout (either via gdm or skill -kill) is initiated? Subsequent logins have no visible mouse cursor (it still tracks).
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19:06<Txt_file1>SPAM SPAM SPAM
19:06<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
19:09<hever>If I arping any IP I'm getting no responses, why ?
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19:12<dumb_usr>ok. installed ntfs-3g and mounted a ntfs drive. now i'm trying to copy a folder from the ntfs drive to my home folder for backup using thunar in xfce. i'm getting a permission denied error.
19:12<dumb_usr>i chmodded the file to 777, but i'm still getting the error
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19:25<dumb_usr>there a channel for virtualbox?
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19:25<dumb_usr>on a different network?
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19:34<kakalto>when running "startx -- :1" from within X (0th desktop), it tells me my user hasn't the permissions to run X
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19:36<kakalto>what permissions am I missing?
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19:57<d3co>scan here
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20:07<SQlvpapir>something in my pxe setup is fscked. I believe ive got something wrong with my servers eth0. could anybody take a look?
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20:09<kenyon>SQlvpapir: looks ok, what is the problem?
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20:10<SQlvpapir>kenyon: the pxe client behaves as it cannot get a ip. also eth0 on the pxe server does not recieve any data (see paste)
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20:11<kenyon>can that eth0 ping other hosts?
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20:16<SQlvpapir>kenyon: yup
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20:18<kenyon>SQlvpapir: but it still says RX bytes = 0. It should be > 0 if it can ping and receive pings.
20:18<SQlvpapir>kenyon: had the if restarted just before doing the paste
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20:21<kenyon>SQlvpapir: broadcast address should be for that subnet
20:21<kenyon>SQlvpapir: not sure if that is the problem though.
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20:22<SQlvpapir>yeah been staring at ifconfig man for a few minutes
20:23<kenyon>indeed, your ifconfig netmask/bcast and dhcpd.conf don't match
20:24<SQlvpapir>maybe a few hours of sleep will magically resolve everything :)
20:24<kenyon>heh perhaps, good luck.
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20:34<brime>hello I am having trouble getting my tablet pc wacom working
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20:37<TBBle>Is it already a known issue that the multiple-signatures on the Etch Releases file don't work with Etch's gnupg?
20:37<ed_debian>brime, What is a wacom??
20:38<brime>Its a stylus that works with the screen
20:39<brime>its what makes a laptop a "tablet pc"
20:39<brime>SUPER pain to get running
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20:40<brime>I'm not shure if this is the right room to ask in.
20:41<ed_debian>brime, No you're in the right room. Its just that nobody here has an answer right now. (Including me).
20:42<ed_debian>brime, I believe that there are packages for tablet pcs in the repos.
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20:43<brime>yeah its all configured, but i'm still getting some errors that i don't know what to do about...
20:43<Txt_file1>did you take a look at
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20:45<brime>yeah... I have read it back and forth.
20:45<ed_debian>brime, What are you errors?
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20:47<brime>well i'm not shure, Xorg is not giving me any errors, but if i try to set my main pointer to my stylus it errors out...
20:47<brime>let me get pastbin googin
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20:48<TBBle>Is it a known issue that the multiple signatures on the Etch Releases file don't work with the Etch gnupg?
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20:50<nick_>I have a problem with /etc/X11/xorg.conf in Ubuntu Jaunty nVidia 8400 GS driver nvidia-settings gives error message
20:50<ed_debian>nick_, You should probably join the #ubuntu channel
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20:51<nick_>can I get there from here? /join ubuntu?
20:51<ed_debian>nick_, I believe you can join any channel from any other channel (they are created if no-one else is in them) They are sort of nebulous
20:52<ed_debian>idk if "ubuntu" is a channel. Although it should be "#debian" is one
20:52<TBBle>Try "/join #ubuntu" although if they're on a different network, you will need to connect to that network first.
20:52<ed_debian>also channels always start with "#" (#ubuntu, #debian)
20:52<nick_>thanks ed, I appreciate that
20:53<nick_>found #ubuntu = (1) other user :)
20:53<ed_debian>no problem
20:53<nick_>have a good one
20:53<TBBle>Try on the freenode network instead, or check Ubuntu's website for better preferred IRC instructions.
20:54<nick_>good idea, have a good one gentlemen
20:54<kenyon>yes, #ubuntu on freenode is the place.
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20:55<ed_debian>Why is it the #debian is the only active channel out of all the different debian related ones?
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20:55<brime>ed_debian: People in #ubuntu are telling me to update my kernel so i'm going to try that out
20:55<ed_debian>#debian-offtopic , #debian-community, and #debian-desktop never seem to have anybody in them talking
20:56<ed_debian>brime, Worth a shot!
20:56<ed_debian>brime, I really have no idea. I've never set up a tablet with linux
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20:58<dpkg>perlmonkey: grow a sense of humor
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21:03<brime>ed_debian: ok hear is one you probably know, how do i update from 2.6.24-2-486 to 2.6.28-11?
21:04<ed_debian>brime, Ubuntu or debian?
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21:05<ed_debian>brime, here is a helpful guide
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21:06<ed_debian>at the bottom there is a command "Run #lilo" you probably wanna run update-grub
21:06<ed_debian>or grub-update
21:06<ed_debian>something like that but probably not lilo cause I don't think debian has used lilo for like 3 realeases now
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21:13<shamanix>ed_debian you seem to know a lot about grub, do you know how to change grub boot or splashscreen or whatsitcalled?
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21:14<ed_debian>shamanix, Umm there is a package called "splashy" I think that does that
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21:15<ruipedroca>anybody can help me installing vmware? i've installed it several times in several machines, but this one is making me crazy..
21:15<ed_debian>ruipedroca, How is it not working?
21:15<ruipedroca>it's the gcc version
21:16<ruipedroca>it keeps telling me i'm using the 4.3
21:16<shamanix>ed_debian I'll look it up thanks
21:16<shamanix>ruipedroca what version do you have?
21:16<ruipedroca>i've tried several times: "# export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" but it seems to keep using 4.3
21:17<ed_debian>shamanix, Or you can download a boot splash (usually comes in a something.xpm.gz file) and place it in /boot/grub then run "update-grub"
21:17<ruipedroca>then the installation aborts
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21:18<ed_debian>ruipedroca, Unfortunately I don't have any idea
21:18<ed_debian>ruipedroca, Are you trying to get the VM software running or are you trying to install an OS on your virtual machine
21:18<shamanix>if your compiling from a makefile or something simple you can use the -V flag
21:18<ruipedroca>i'm trying to install the software
21:18<ruipedroca>vmware server 1.0.8
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21:20<shamanix>you could give virtualbox a try maybe
21:23<ruipedroca>i did, but i've a production vmware server running 3 vmware machines. So this vmware server i'm setting up right now is for testing a new vmachine before moving it to the production server
21:23<ruipedroca>and virtualbox has bridged networking only in the non-free version
21:24<ed_debian>ruipedroca, 1stly I have never heard of the "export" command. Are you sure you need it to install a package? What kind of package is this? What does export do?
21:25<ed_debian>2ndly Do you need a vm server to one 1 virtual machine? Why not just create a stand alone vm? (Sorry if this seems silly to you I don't know anything about virtual machines).
21:25<ruipedroca>well, i've seen that in several different sites, like this one:
21:26<ruipedroca>in this vm server i create and test the new vm machines
21:26<ed_debian>ruipedroca, oooo!! IC export is a command for VM server
21:26<ruipedroca>then, i'll move it to the production server where already are several other machines
21:27<ruipedroca>i don't follow
21:27<ed_debian>ruipedroca, well I think that I understand what you're trying to do a lot better now. The bad news is that just solidifies that I have no idea how to solve your problems :( sorry
21:28<ruipedroca>ok, thanks anyway
21:29<ruipedroca>can you help find this directory mentioned here?:
21:29<ruipedroca>What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?
21:30<ruipedroca>it sugests as default this: "/usr/src/linux/include" but it doesn't work, so it must be another directory
21:30<ruipedroca>i'm on a fresh install of lenny
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21:32<Txt_file1>and you are shure that su setup all deps?
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21:36<TBBle>ruipedroca: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build generally.
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21:38<ruipedroca>not in this one..
21:38<ruipedroca>"bash: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/build: No such file or directory"
21:39<TBBle>Have you installed the kernel headers package to go with your kernel?
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21:43<ruipedroca>i did, but after that i've made som many changes that i guess i ended screwing up some packages
21:43<ruipedroca>but then i did a apt-get update and upgrade, so i think it must be fine now
21:44<ruipedroca>i've just found out that i had "gcc 4.1 base" but not the "gcc 4.1" only
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21:47<brime>ed_debian: ok im doing, and i'm stuck
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21:49<brime>im at the step where you add "deb woody module-init-tools initrd-tools procps" to the sources list
21:50<brime>and apt-get update errors out on me
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21:51<ml|>brime: aew you on lenny?
21:52<brime>do i swap woody with lenny?
21:53<ml|>dpkg: tell brime about backport
21:54<brime>yeah i'm lost T_T
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21:57<ml|>brime: try using this in sources.list instead the one you used ....
21:57<ml|>deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free
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21:59<ml|>brime: then aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install the-package names here
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22:06<ruipedroca>well, i'm going to sleep and think about this tomorrow
22:06<ruipedroca>thanks anyway
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22:30<s0ckz>is it normal for someone to download a kernel and its already patched for you?
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22:39<nickburns>Hi all, first time Debian user switching over from Gentoo. I've just got Debian installed and am attempting to boot the kernel for the first time. Grub picked the wrong boot device, so I had to change that, but I'm now getting stuck after "Booting the kernel. Loading, please wait ..." message - does anyone have any ideas?
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22:41<ed_debian>nickburns, You installed debian and grub was pointing to the wrong device? Do you have multiple harddrives?
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22:43<ed_debian>nickburns, IDK if you have access to the file-system but check out /boot/grub/menu.lst
22:43<nickburns>yes and i just figured it out, it picked the wrong device for root= also
22:43<nickburns>i guess this is why i liked doing everything manually before :)
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22:44<sney>the installer gets a little confused on multiple drive systems sometimes
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22:45<ed_debian>nickburns, What drives you to debian?
22:45<nickburns>yeah no biggie doesnt help i am booting from a slave drive either i bet
22:45<nickburns>ed_debian have you ever used portage (gentoos package manager)?
22:46<ed_debian>nickburns, No but I have heard that it doesn't resolve dependencies correct?
22:46<nickburns>actually i think it's very good at resolving dependencies, one of the reasons i left debian ages ago...i always used to have problems with apt and dependencies
22:46<sney>portage borrows ideas from apt and BSD's ports system, but it's coded in python so it's slow on a lot of architectures, and it has silly issues with various things
22:46<ed_debian>I must be thinking of slack or something then
22:46<nickburns>portage is awesome, probably the best manager i've ever used --- except when it breaks your whole system basically breaks
22:46<sney>also, the whole compiling everything deal can get old if you're trying to do something quickly
22:47<nickburns>you constantly have to stay on top of updates for gentoo, i waited a couple months to update my system and i wound up breaking it, something fairly easy to do
22:47<nickburns>compiling was never a big issue, i always liked the idea of being able to specify exactly what i wanted
22:47<ed_debian>nickburns, Not updating broke your system? Isn't that essentially like saying "I did nothing for too long and the system broke" ? That doesn't make sense to me
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22:48<nickburns>already i've noticed debian didn't ask me what i wanted to put inside my kernel, something that makes me rather uncomfortable already....but i know there is a way to install the kernel sources so i will probably play around with that
22:48<ml|>nickburns: use aptitude
22:48<sney>debian supports tinkering but it doesn't require it of its users.
22:49<sney>gentoo encourages tinkering with things that aren't really necessary to mess with, so a relative neophyte can get into trouble easily
22:49<ed_debian>nickburns, Do you think that compiling everything your self gentoo-style got you a performance boost? I have heard booth sides (yes / no)
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22:50<sney>you didn't ask me, but I found that the performance difference between a binary distro and a source distro on i686 was basically negligible
22:50<nickburns>ed_debian not 100% sure, i really don't have a high load on any of my servers, not enough to notice a difference but a lot of gentoo users swear by it
22:50<nickburns>sney: that's kind of how i am siding
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22:51<sney>while on sparc64 it was huge
22:51<dr|z3d>ed_debian: You might get a boost, if you're prepared to compile everything, but you certainly don't get any boost when compiling. :)
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22:51<sney>gentoo was waaaaaaay better than debian on my sparc64 box.
22:51<nickburns>the compiling times are really only an issue when installing the system for the first time, especially from scratch
22:51<nickburns>emerging a few packages here and there werent a problem especially on my hardware
22:52<ed_debian>dr|z3d, That would be an interesting study. Is the time saved from the performance boost trumped by the time wasted compiling
22:52<ed_debian>wasted time* compiling
22:52<sney>i686 is just not diverse enough for individual compiles and chosen options to make a huge difference
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22:53<sney>while sun systems with their various SMP/UP and wonky bus configurations practically make it a necessity
22:53<nickburns>quick ? for you guys - what's the equivalent of rc-update - to make scripts in /etc/init.d run on boot
22:53<ed_debian>sney, ! Wonky!!! I thought I was the only one who used that word!
22:54<sney>searching apt is a bazillion times faster than searching portage, also
22:54<ed_debian>nickburns, The scripts in /etc/init.d are called depending on whether or not there are symlinks to them in the different run level folders /etc/rc2.d /etc/rc3.d etc etc
22:54<nickburns>sney ive noticed that already too
22:55<nickburns>ed_debian ok thanks
22:55<nickburns>google turned up update-rc.d
22:55<nickburns>same thing?
22:55<nickburns>seems to be
22:56<ed_debian>Well if you enter runlevel 2 the things in rc2.d will be run (the things that start with S) you don't have to "activate them" it is the default behavior
22:56<ed_debian>ed@******:~$ update-rc.d
22:56<ed_debian>bash: update-rc.d: command not found
22:57<ed_debian>It isn't even a command for me
22:57<nickburns>strange i have it
22:57<nickburns>ed_debian try as root
22:58<ed_debian>nickburns, Up, you're right. Still though I have added scripts to rc2.d and they run at start-up and I have never used that command
22:58<nickburns>i'll give that a shot, gentoo has rc-update that i'm used too
22:58<nickburns>ill give you guys one thing apt is hella quick
22:58<ed_debian>nickburns, yeah it's nice like that :)
22:59<nickburns>i just got mysql/web/php installed in about 2 min
22:59<ed_debian>nickburns, Yeah and I bet most of that was download time
22:59<nickburns>yeah my connection blows
22:59<ed_debian>nickburns, I can't live without a highspeed connection
23:00<nickburns>i have a 5 Mbps cable line
23:00<nickburns>just got back from 15 Mbps at school
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23:03<ed_debian>why is it that so many people are on this channel but none of them ever say anything?
23:03<ed_debian>90% of them anyway
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23:17<s0ckz>Because they are just idlers.
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23:19<ed_debian>s0ckz, meaning they joined the channel and left the computer?
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23:29<shamanix>ed_debian they could be spies for micro$oft :-) who knows
23:29<ed_debian>shamanix, :/ hopefully not!
23:30<dr|z3d>Some people soak up the channel knowledge like they soak up the sun. Entirely passively.
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23:34<eightyeight>are there any debian installers that support putting down an ext4 fs by default? maybe the nightly builds?
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23:35<shamanix>yeah I'd like to know that as well
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23:37<shamanix>does lenny support ext4 if I partition my hd to use it?
23:38<shamanix>or do I have to get squeeze or sid
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23:38<eightyeight>you'll need squeeze or sid. lenny ships 2.6.26, which has basic minimal support
23:38<eightyeight>ext4 didn't go stable until 2.6.28
23:39<eightyeight>not sure if squeeze has >2.6.28 though. sid has 2.6.29
23:39<eightyeight>i'm about to do a new install, and i don't mind converting from ext3 to ext4, but i know i lose some features as compared to a newly built from scratch ext4 fs
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23:40<eightyeight>which is why i'm asking about the installers
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23:44<s0ckz>Can somebody please tell me where the kernel is located in debian?
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23:47<s0ckz>What about
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23:56<wohdfoh>i was trying to install a package and i'm getting this message from aptitude. does this mean that i cannot install this package?
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23:58<shamanix>thats interesting, it doesnt install dependencies, if all else fails download the dependencies manually
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