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---Logopened Tue May 26 00:00:03 2009
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00:00<ml|>ed_debian: if you like startx give gdm the boot :)
00:00<TongueOfColicab>can i use this?
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00:02<shamanix>you could just get them with apt, aptitude, synaptic, since its an official debian package
00:02<ml|>TongueOfColicab: you should be able too read ...
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00:04<TongueOfColicab>that grub-splashimages
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00:04<TongueOfColicab>isnt functional?
00:04<ml|>i do like this ...
00:05<ml|>TongueOfColicab: it's manily for looks
00:05<Guest127>anyone know how do i get my terminal only screen in debian (etch)? like you used to be able to get away from X using Alt-F1
00:06<Hideo>Guest127: ctrl + alt + f1 ?
00:06<interbird>Guest127: what do you mean? not start X at system boot ?
00:06<Guest127>yeah, sorry
00:06<Guest127>nope, i'm ok with the booting of x
00:07<interbird>Guest127: change /etc/X11/default-display-manager to /usr/bin/console
00:07<Hideo>Guest127: I'm not understanding your question?
00:07<Guest127>i just was wondering why i can no longer get into that terminal..
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00:07<shamanix>he meens switching terminals
00:07<interbird>ctrl-alt-f1 switches to tty0
00:07<Hideo>so did ctrl + alt + f1 work?
00:07<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
00:07<ml|>he wants to leave X to a tty
00:07<Guest127>no, i just get a black screen
00:07<TongueOfColicab>i dont have splashimages directory in grub directory
00:07<Guest127>that's it
00:08<TongueOfColicab>have to create it?
00:08<ed_debian>ctrl + alt + F1 gives a blank screen?
00:08<interbird>Guest127: and on ctrl-alt-f2?
00:08<shamanix>TongueofColicab where did you look for grub?
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00:09<Hideo>Guest127: did you try hitting some random keys when in tty, maybe it went to sleep or something?
00:09<interbird>yeah what? black or works?
00:09<ed_debian>What happens if you are at the black screen and you press alt F1 or alt F2 (alt F7 returns to X btw)
00:10<shamanix>TongueOfColicab no splashimages directory?
00:10<Guest127>just black... like it's going there but there's no login prompt waiting on it
00:10<interbird>Guest127: do you see kernel messages at boot or is that also black ?
00:10<shamanix>did you try apt get grub-splashimages
00:10<TongueOfColicab>have to do that?
00:11<Guest127>yeah, am going back and forth between Alt-Ctrl-F1 and Atl-Ctrl-F7
00:11<Guest127>have also tried the others - there's no login prompt on them either
00:11<shamanix>well you can use aptitude, synaptic, dpkg or whatever, just download grub-splashimages package somehow
00:11<Hideo>Guest127: paste your /etc/inittab on a paste site
00:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
00:11<TongueOfColicab>i did it
00:11<Guest127>have been wondering if it's a screen mode problem but wanted to find if there was a configuration file somewhere that i could check before going any further
00:12<TongueOfColicab>now i can see some xpm.gz files
00:12<TongueOfColicab>in splashimages directory
00:12<ed_debian>ml|, If all that GDM does is display a pretty login screen why does it take a lot of resources?
00:12<Guest127>is it going to be some setting in /etc/inittab?
00:12<ml|>ed_debian: dunno, good question
00:12<interbird>Guest127: try killall -HUP getty
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00:13<Hideo>Guest127: there is some line to invoke getty on bootup
00:13<Hideo>Guest127: try what interbird suggested also
00:13<TongueOfColicab>now i have downloades that
00:13<interbird>Guest127: sorry: try killall -s HUP getty
00:13<TongueOfColicab>how i set the image i want
00:14<shamanix>you have to edit menu.lst
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00:16<Co_X>dear all expert...
00:16<Co_X>may i consult with you?
00:16<interbird>Guest127: if that does not work try modprobe vesafb
00:16<TongueOfColicab>cant find where in menu.lst file must i set which image i want
00:17<Hideo>!tell Co_X about ask
00:17<Co_X>i've been install ubuntu with 1st CD
00:17<TongueOfColicab>right im in the file
00:17<interbird>gfxmenu (hd0,4)/boot/grub/message
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00:17<Co_X>and cancle to find next ISO
00:17<interbird>adjust for your stuff
00:17<TongueOfColicab>but cant find where i set the image
00:18<Co_X>how to continue next iso?
00:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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00:18<interbird>TongueOfColicab: gfxmenu (hd0,x)/boot/grub/image
00:19<Hideo>Guest127: try what interbird suggested above and report back to us
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00:19<TongueOfColicab>where "image" is the filename of the xpm.gz image i want?
00:20<interbird>Co_X: Ubuntu comes on one CD and this is a Debian channel. try #ubuntu on
00:20<Guest127>interbird: killall - won't that just respawn like it says in ininttab
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00:21<Hideo>Guest127: it would, but maybe it'd work again
00:21<interbird>TongueOfColicab: i think so, this comes from an old menu.lst of mine; i don't use splashimages anymore, just try it
00:21<Guest127>interbird: and modprobe is something altogether different
00:21<TongueOfColicab>alexisdebian:/boot/grub# gfxmenu (hd0,2)/boot/grub/image
00:21<shamanix>interbird according to 2 tutorials i found its supposed to be splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splashimages/nameofsplashimage.xpm.gz
00:21<TongueOfColicab>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `hd0,2'
00:22<interbird>Guest127: yes that will respawn the getty process and the modprobe is for if somehow your initrd failed to load vesafb
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00:22<Co_X>dear sir... sorry... i do install debian... sorry... i am very new in ubuntu
00:23<Co_X>i do install 1st CD of debian... and cancel CD iso search, how to continue next debian CD after finish 1st CD?
00:23<Co_X>i am very new in debian tooo
00:23<Hideo>Co_X: Debian and Ubuntu are two different distributions
00:24<interbird>shamanix: i think there's more that one way, some may be old, like mine; haven't used grub splash for a long time
00:24<Co_X>yup... sorry... now both were i study
00:24<Co_X>i just study about debian and ubuntu... now i concentrate on debian
00:24<interbird>Co_X: are you installing Debian ?
00:25<Co_X>but i don't know to continue install next CD after finish install 1st cd
00:25<TongueOfColicab>ok im going to try grub
00:25<Hideo>but ... um you were asking us about finding a ubuntu ISO, how in the world would we know that?
00:25<TongueOfColicab>back soon
00:25<Co_X>yes... i am install debian
00:25<Co_X>i've been download all debian ISO
00:25<TongueOfColicab>some grub update before restart?
00:25<interbird>Co_X: what version of the debian cd are you installing? netinstall? cd1 of the cd-set ?
00:25<Co_X>using VMWare, i install 1'st cd
00:26<Guest127>interbird: thanks - ill logout now an look through those things
00:26<ml|>Co_X: do you have high speed internet access?
00:26<shamanix>TongueOfColicab, this I'd love to know since some tutorials mention it and some dont
00:26<Guest127>thanks too hideo
00:26<Hideo>Guest127: np
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00:26<Co_X>no... slow internet access, i download all debian iso within 1 month
00:26<ml|>TongueOfColicab: i think you should
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00:27<ml|>Co_X: ok
00:27<interbird>Co_X: does it ask for cd2 now ?
00:27<interbird>Co_X: then you have to use vmware to detach the cdrom and mount the other iso
00:27<Co_X>interbird : no sir... it was finish
00:27<Co_X>i finish 1st cd
00:28<Co_X>i attach cd 2
00:28<Co_X>and... i don't know what to do next
00:28<interbird>Co_X: you don't have to
00:28<Co_X>no setup.exe just like windows... :-(
00:28<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
00:28<Co_X>interbird : please help me... thank's to your help...
00:28<interbird>Co_X: you don't need the second cd because you can install additional software from the internet
00:29<shamanix>think again, if you need debian windows installer look here
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00:30<ml|>Co_X: what is your native language?
00:30<Co_X>interbird : how to use ISO that i already downloaded?
00:30<Hideo>Co_X: so did your new system boot up?
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00:31<Co_X>ml| : i am indonesian
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00:31<TongueOfColicab>hi again i have a new boot screen
00:31<Co_X>hideo : yes sir, with 1st cd install, all system going fine
00:31<ml|>TongueOfColicab: like it?
00:31<TongueOfColicab>but one prob, i cant see the selection bar =(
00:32<Co_X>hideo : but, i really don't understan how to continue install next CD that i've been already downloaded
00:32<TongueOfColicab>selection bar color is black, and image background is black too
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00:32<TongueOfColicab>have to change
00:33<TongueOfColicab>i liked the cheese one
00:33<Hideo>Co_X: I always used the netinstall cd, I never used the entire CD set, so I don't know, maybe someone here can help
00:33<shamanix>TongueOfColicab did you use gfxmenu or splashimage? and did you do grub update?
00:33<TongueOfColicab>no, but image appears on boot screen
00:33<interbird>Co_X: if you want the downloaded cd's you have to use as a repository you'll have to add them to /etc/apt/sources.list
00:34<Hideo>Co_X: if your internet connect isn't too terribly slow, you can always update and upgrade from an online repository
00:34<interbird>Co_X: but if your internet connection is fast enough you can install software from the internet; no need for cd2 and higher
00:34<Co_X>interbird : i've been download all Cd from repository sir...
00:34<Hideo>interbird: hehe you just repeated what I said =P
00:35<shamanix>Co_X you should have a working system with 1 cd, the rest are for installing progs and whatnot
00:35<interbird>Co_X: then you have the complete distribution, but only the first cd is needed to get an installed system
00:35<Co_X>shamanix : you mean that i don;t need next cd?
00:35<interbird>yeah :-)
00:36<interbird>you don't need the other cd's; you can hang them on the wall and let the sun shine nice colors on them
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00:36<ml|>interbird: lol
00:36<Co_X>interbird : i haven't burn it yet sir, using vm ware as iso
00:37<TongueOfColicab>you know, when debian is charging a lot of messages of this kind appears
00:37<Co_X>so, what is the function of CD2 thru cd 31 sir?
00:37<shamanix>well it wasnt a comlete waste of bandwith, because when you want to install something it will not install from net but from the cds
00:37<interbird>Co_X: then you can delete the cd2 and higher iso's saving space on your harddisk
00:37<TongueOfColicab>(somenumber) buffer I/O error, dev sr0 sector somenumber
00:37<TongueOfColicab>(somenumber) buffer I/O error, dev sr0 logical block somenumber
00:38<TongueOfColicab>a lot of those messages
00:38<Hideo>Co_X: unlike microsoft where updates comes once in 6 months, apps in Debian can have new updates almost everyday
00:38<interbird>Co_X: everything is installable from the internet now, just like with ubuntu
00:38<TongueOfColicab>however the system loads well
00:38<Hideo>Co_X: so it is best to install from an online repo, whereas the apps on your cds are probably obsolete now
00:38<interbird>Co_X: if you don't have internet and want to install software not on cd1
00:38<TongueOfColicab>it is something bad happening?
00:39<Co_X>interbird : it's too bad if i have to delete it..
00:39<interbird>Co_X: like if you are in the desert without any wireless accesspoint
00:39<interbird>then keep them...
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00:40<Co_X>interbird : yes sir, i am in the desert with no wireless or free internet here :-)
00:40<Co_X>then i download it when i was in free mode place :-)
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00:41<shamanix>you pretty much downloaded every soft for debian lol, chances are out of 31 you really need 2-3 cds
00:41<Co_X>interbird : debian not come with other program such open office? i can't find it now....
00:41<interbird>Co_X: now you know downloading only cd1 was enough
00:41<Hideo>31 cds' I didn't know Debian have that many
00:41<Slurb>netinstall is enough
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00:42<Hideo>Co_X: now you learn about synaptic or aptitude in order to install software like open office
00:42<Co_X>well... i was wasting my time downloading 31 CD :-(
00:42<interbird>Co_X: start synaptic package manager and search for openoffice, then you'll find it
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00:44*interbird is on the same thought-train as Hideo again :-)
00:44<TongueOfColicab>well i just want to say THANKS FOR ALL
00:44<Hideo>interbird: quit copying me! =P
00:44<Co_X>interbird : i can't find any synaptic package manager in all menus sir...
00:44*interbird was using copy-left :-)
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00:45<TongueOfColicab>now ive sound, kde and a pretty boot screen
00:45<interbird>Co_X: Gnome->System->Administration
00:45<Hideo>interbird: hmm does Debian comes with synaptic by default?
00:45<TongueOfColicab>see ya
00:45<Hideo>I always do the bare minimum install
00:45<interbird>cd1 does
00:45<Hideo>later TongueOfColicab
00:45<ml|>TongueOfColicab: gl thanks
00:46<shamanix>not the lxde one, at least I dont remember it being on cd
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00:46<interbird>Co_X: can you open a terminal ?
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00:46<interbird>Co_X: Applications->Assecoires->Terminal
00:47<Co_X>interbird : yes.... i do... as root already
00:47<ml|>oh becareful
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00:47<interbird>Co_X: now type synaptic
00:48<Co_X>bash: synaptic: command not found
00:48<ml|>dpkg: tell Co_X about grounding
00:48<Hideo>apt-get it is
00:48<interbird>Co_X: apt-get install synaptic
00:48<Hideo>ml|: see!? apt-get is useful
00:48<interbird>seems cd1 does not come with synaptic
00:48<Hideo>does aptitude come by default
00:48<ml|>!why aptitude
00:48<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
00:48<Hideo>ml|: ah ok
00:49<Co_X>i found aptitude sir,,,,
00:49<Hideo>ml|: I've used Debian sid for almost 10 years, apt-get for the same time, there's never a problem I couldn't solve
00:49<interbird>Co_X: apt-get install synaptic
00:49<Hideo>ml|: apt-get + dpkg are all you need really
00:50<Co_X>deep in debian menus: application>debian>applications>system>administration>aptitude
00:50<ml|>Hideo: yes, but for new users should use aptitude
00:50<interbird>Co_X: apt-get install synaptic
00:50<ml|>interbird: :P
00:50<Co_X>apt-det install synaptic : create error sir
00:50<Hideo>Co_X: well what kind of error?
00:51<Hideo>not apt-det my friend
00:51<ml|>aptitude install
00:51<interbird>!hit ml|
00:51*dpkg slaps ml|.
00:51<Hideo>ml|: that's an even longer word lol
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00:52<debian501>fiz stayalive
00:52<interbird>Co_X: once synaptic is installed, run it by typing synaptic in the root terminal or Gnome->System->Administration->Synaptic
00:52<ml|>i see you guys stuck in your old ways ;)
00:52<interbird>Co_X: in synaptic search on openoffice and you will find it
00:53<Co_X>apt-get install synaptic :generate this error : Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
00:53<Hideo>paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file
00:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
00:54<Hideo>I wonder if a browser comes with cd1 by default?
00:54<shamanix>I had iceweasale installed
00:55<Hideo>Co_X: look for iceweasel in the menu, then go to and upload the file /etc/apt/sources.list
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00:56<interbird>synaptic should be in main true ?
00:56<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
00:56<Hideo>interbird: yes
00:57<Hideo>interbird: but i'm suspecting his sources.list only has the cd's as repos
00:57<interbird>Co_X: try aptitude install openoffice
00:57*Hideo shrugs
00:57<interbird>Hideo: me thinks so too
00:58<shamanix>if he selected nut to use network mirrors he has, I had to manually edit it myself after first install
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00:58<Hideo>shamanix: ah ok
00:58<Co_X>Hideo : i already send it with sir
00:58<shamanix>however since he has all cds why doesnt it just ask for the cd???
00:58<Hideo>Co_X: can you give us the url here
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01:00<Co_X>hideo : i guess, i did not edit any file since first install, either with apt\source.list sir....
01:00<Co_X>may be because of low speed internet problem sir... so i can not install?
01:01<Hideo>!tell Co_X about sources.list
01:01<interbird>Co_X: put this line after the last cdrom line: deb lenny main contrib
01:01<Hideo>Co_X: or do what interbird just said, that works too
01:01<interbird>Co_X: and put a # in front of the first cdrom line
01:01<interbird>Co_X: ehhh, and put a # in front of the second cdrom line
01:02<interbird># in front of second deb cdrom:
01:02<Hideo>line 4
01:02<shamanix>why would he need to do that????
01:02<interbird>otherwise the cds come first and then internet
01:03<Co_X>done sir....
01:03<interbird>does not matter for him in vmware wit a mounted iso but an empty cdromdrive generated a question to insert the disc
01:03*shamanix edits his sources.list in secret
01:03<Hideo>ok, now do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install synaptic"
01:03<interbird>Co_X: apt-get update
01:04<interbird>Co_X: then apt-get upgrade
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01:04<interbird>Co_X: then apt-get install synaptic
01:04<Hideo>I win yet again, interbird =P
01:04<interbird>hehe :-)
01:04<interbird>and in a 1-liner, cum laude :-)
01:05<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, afk is Away From Keyboard
01:05<Co_X>yup... something happen now... it downloading something now...
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01:05<Co_X>but... i guess... it took a month again with very low internet speed
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01:05<Hideo>Co_X: what kind of connection do you have?
01:06<Co_X>modem sir.. :-)
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01:06<Co_X>very very old connection
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01:06<interbird>Co_X: you can use your cd images by enabeling the two lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and addling corresponding lines for the other cd's
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01:07<interbird>Co_X: but then you have to reattach every cd in vmware when installing software and the installer wants another cd
01:07<Hideo>I don't think the general updates/upgrades take that much for lenny, but if you want to install openoffice, that would take a long time
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01:08<Co_X>interbird : sir, i've read that debian installer have capability to read Atomatically all iso at first install... how to reactivate it sir?
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01:08<interbird>Co_X: that would have added them to your sources.list
01:08<interbird>Co_X: you can still do that
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01:09<Co_X>interbird : what is the string rule to write it sir?
01:09<interbird>Co_X: then you can install openoffice from the cd's which may be faster that from modem i'm sure
01:10<interbird>Co_X: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 CD Binary-2 20090413-00:10]/ lenny main
01:10<interbird>Co_X: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 CD Binary-3 20090413-00:10]/ lenny main
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01:10<interbird>as many 'binary' cd's as you have
01:10<jm_>Co_X: don't write it by hand, use apt-cdrom
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01:11<interbird>just duplicate the cd-lines and change the number
01:11<Co_X>interbird : all file still in iso sir, i havent birn it...
01:11<interbird>that's ok
01:11<Hideo>you are using vmware aren't you?
01:11<interbird>we are talking about adding the other cd's to sources.list so we can install openoffice from the other cds
01:11<interbird>yes he is
01:12<Co_X>ok... i'll try it now...
01:12<interbird>pastebin your final sources.list so we can check it
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01:13<Hideo>jm_ is right about using apt-cdrom
01:13<interbird>dunno that one
01:13<ml|>yes apt-cdrom is nice, but he has not burned the iso yet
01:13<Hideo>I've never used it either
01:14<Hideo>ml|: but it shouldn't matter, vmware can load the iso right
01:14<jm_>doesn't matter with vmware - vmware has the option to use ISO image for CD-ROM device
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01:14<interbird>apt-cdrom looks good but i have no exp with it
01:15<Hideo>from the man page, I think all he needs to do is load the ISO in vmware, do apt-cdrom add
01:16<ml|>oh, didn't that would work nice
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01:16<Hideo>Co_X: did you get the above ^
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01:16<Co_X>yes sir,,,,
01:17<Co_X>i've learn everything from here
01:17<Hideo>cool =), us too
01:17<ml|>forgot this is a vm install
01:17<Co_X>you know.... you all are my best teacher
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01:18<Hideo>Co_X: ok so once that finish, just do this "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install synaptic"
01:20<interbird>Co_X: What is your country ?
01:20<Hideo>oh you're looking for a repo near him?
01:21<interbird>for advice to next time get the dvd-iso, then he does not have to swap in vmware
01:22<Hideo>interbird: looks like he's in Jakarta, Indonesia
01:22<ml|>yes he said indonesia
01:23<interbird>australia? taiwan? no indonesia in this list
01:25<Hideo>hmm.. maybe try apt-spy
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01:26<ml|>interbird: australia lookd the closest to him
01:27<Hideo>interbird: oh, you want him to download a dvd
01:28<ml|>or thailand
01:28<Hideo>I thought we were looking for the best mirrors =P
01:28<matt7676>I would like to add an directory to root PATH, but there is no ".bash_profile" file in /root/ directory. How can I add directory to my PATH variable?
01:29<interbird>Hideo: Next time when he's at such a place he might try that, then he has a complete dvd iso and he can install most software from it without having to attach each separate cd in vmware
01:30<jm_>matt7676: follow the good old unix philosophy - if it isn't there, create it
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01:30<jm_>matt7676: ohh and read about the differences in using bashrc and bash_profile
01:31<interbird>matt767: /etc/profile
01:31<interbird>matt7676: /etc/profile
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01:32<matt7676>interbird: as far as i know, /etc/profile does not apply to root.
01:32<interbird>matt767: there is an if statement separating users and root
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01:36<ml|>maybe someone can answer this ?... If all that GDM does is display a pretty login screen why does it take a lot of resources?
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01:37<shamanix>quick user switching maybe, just a guess
01:37<shamanix>probably gets stored in memory or something
01:37<Hideo>apt-cache show gdm , looks like it depends on a bunch of crap
01:38<ml|>Hideo: yes besides that
01:38<Hideo>whereas apt-cache show slim, less dependent crap
01:38<shamanix>is slim any good?
01:38<ml|>shamanix: a lot pepps use it
01:38<interbird>matt7676: you could also append [[ -f "/etc/bash.mystuff" ]] && . "/etc/bash.mystuff" to /etc/bash.bashrc and put all you custom stuff in a separate file
01:38<jm_>gdm does abit more than displays just a login prompt, plus remember it's spawning an X server
01:38<Hideo>shamanix: it's fine
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01:38<shamanix>does it work with lxde?
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01:39<jm_>another alternative is wdm
01:39<Hideo>shamanix: it should, it says that it is desktop independent
01:39<ml|>shamanix: it should work with anything
01:39<shamanix>thats good news
01:40<shamanix>are any of you guys using or used squeeze?
01:41<shamanix>i've been thinking of switching to it, just wondering how stable it is, and what are the differences compared to lenny
01:41<shamanix>lenny is not cutting edge enough for me
01:42<interbird>squeeze is in the process of updating gnome from 2.20 to 2.26; there are hickups...
01:43<ml|>dpkg: tell shamanix about testing faq
01:43<shamanix>interbird I dont use gnome that much, other then the occasional app that depends on gnome libs
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01:44<SkyNET>Debian México ?
01:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:46<ml|>jm_: i just use startx was just wondering, since it was asked earlier
01:46<SkyNET>¡ gracias!
01:48<chealer>shamanix: yes. there is no big difference - some software is newer (in particular, KDE 4), added, and it has bigger bugs. if you know APT a bit, don't be afraid to try testing on a personal PC.
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01:49<shamanix>ok, i'll give it a try as soon as I backup everything :-)
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01:54<matt7676>interbird: ok, I was not aware of the if statement. So basically usung /etc/profile I can control PATH variables both for users and root?
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02:04<interbird>matt7676: in /etc/profile you see the first if with the test for uid eq 0, below that is the path setting for root, the else is for users
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02:09<matt7676>interbird: yes, I have there "PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/loacl/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" for uid 0. However, when I do "dpkg --purge module-init-tools" under root I will get "dpkg: install-info not found on PATH", "dpkg: update-rc.d not found on PATH" etc. What might be the problem?
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02:10<jm_>matt7676: my guess would be you ran su, instead of su -
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02:10<matt7676>interbird: on more note- I booted the system up with "kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 root=/dev/hdb2 ro init=/bin/sh" because if I use init, I will go out of memory
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02:11<interbird>so you are in an escape shell ?
02:11<matt7676>jm_: what is the difference between "su" and "su -"?
02:11<interbird>what does echo $PATH say ?
02:11<matt7676>interbird: yes, something like that
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02:13<jm_>matt7676: from the man page: -, -l, --login
02:13<jm_> Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had
02:13<jm_> the user logged in directly.
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02:16<interbird>matt7676: what does echo $PATH say ?
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02:18<matt7676>interbird: it says "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
02:18<interbird>matt7676: there is a typo in your previous line: :/usr/loacl/bin: read back ^
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02:18<matt7676>interbird: yes, sorry
02:18<interbird>matt7676: /usr/sbin is missing from the path
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02:19<interbird>matt7676: /usr/sbin that is where update-rc.d is
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02:19<matt7676>interbird: in the /etc/profile there is correctly :/usr/local/bin:
02:20<matt7676>interbird: I know, that's why I am trying to add /usr/sbin to PATH
02:20<Hideo>then add it, what is the problem?
02:20<interbird>but still the /usr/sbin dir is missing from your path now so do: export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin
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02:22<interbird>then rcupdate-rc.d will be found
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02:24*interbird is gonna toy with his freshly downloaded mint 7 iso, nite all
02:24<Hideo>nite interbird =)
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02:29<matt7676>Hideo: under /etc/profile there is "PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" for uid 0, but when I do "echo $PATH" under root I get only "/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin". I mean for some reason the /etc/profile file doesn't apply.
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02:30<Hideo>matt7676: log out of root, log back in
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02:31<Hideo>matt7676: if echo $PATH still doesn't change, log out of the user which you su'ed to root, and log back in
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02:35<Hideo>matt7676: well? Did that work?
02:36<matt7676>Hideo: yes, after loging out and back in the PATH changed
02:36<matt7676>Hideo: thanks!
02:36<Hideo>matt7676: cool, it's np =)
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02:37<ml|>!beer Hideo
02:37*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for Hideo
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02:38<Hideo>I take whatever beer I can get, I guess =P
02:39<mutianet07>salam kenal dari aku anak jepara
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02:40<matt7676>Hideo: I think the issue was because I booted the machine up without using init. I booted using init=/bin/sh ("kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 root=/dev/hdb2 ro init=/bin/sh"). Maybe this caused what "jm_" said, that I used "su" instead of "su --login". However I don't fully understand the difference between these two.
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02:42<matt7676>man bash: "If bash is invoked with the name sh, it tries to mimic the startup behavior of historical versions of sh as closely as possible, while conforming to the POSIX standard as well. When invoked as an interactive login shell, or a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first attempts to read and execute commands from /etc/profile and ~/.profile, in that order." :D
02:42<Hideo>matt7676: I think he meant that using su -, you don't have to log out and log back in, basically you su to root with the newly updated $PATH
02:42<jm_>matt7676: right, this is something similar, you need to fix your environment when booting with init=/bin/bash
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02:58<alephnull>dh-make-perl says Needs the following debian packages: libexception-class-perl, libclass-accessor-perl, libfile-slurp-perl
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02:59<alephnull>But these packages are already installed. For example: ii libclass-acces 0.31-2
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03:03<sangeetha>hi all
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03:08<matt7676>I have a faulty version of module-init-tools(makes machine Out-Of-Memory) and basically the only option to do something on the maschine is booting up with "kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 root=/dev/hdb2 ro init=/bin/bash". I would like to replace the faulty version of module-init-tools with a working one(I have the working version of module-init.on a CD in .deb format). Is there a reinstall option, where older module-init-tools is replaced
03:08<matt7676>* (I have the working version of module-init-tools on a CD in .deb format)
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03:09<matt7676>is it "apt-get upgrade packagename.deb" ?
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03:12<jm_>matt7676: no, mount cd, dpkg -i /path/to/m-i-t.deb
03:12<fanto666>does debcopnf cache answers given to package's configure script? where?
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03:15<Supaplex>is there a bittorrent client that allows me to select what files in the torrent I'm interested in? any suggestions? I'd like to avoid installing each one just to discover I want something else.
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03:19<matt7676>jm_: thanks! I did "dpkg -i /mnt/cddrive/module-init-tools_3.3-pre4-2_i386.deb" and now when I look "dpkg -l | grep module-init-tools" I get "ii module-init-tools 3.3-pre4-2". I'll restart the machine now and boot up normally. hopefully there is no Out Of Memory errors now. Or any other suggestions before i restart+
03:19<matt7676>Supaplex: Vuze
03:19<Supaplex>judd: versions vuze
03:19<judd>Supaplex: vuze -- sid: lenny: sid: squeeze:
03:19<jm_>matt7676: make sure to remount / ro, then reboot
03:20<Supaplex>hummm okay.
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03:21<matt7676>jm_: why is it important to remount my /dev/hdb2 partition back to ro before rebooting?
03:22<Supaplex>matt7676: so the filesystem isn't dirty, or leave you open to unsaved data.
03:24<Hideo>why does judd says sid twice, with 2 different versions?
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03:25<jm_>judd: versions rtorrent
03:25<judd>jm_: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.2 squeeze: 0.7.9-2.2 sid: 0.8.4+tit-4
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03:26<jm_>it's confused
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03:27<Hideo>yah, the latter one is right, the former one it pulled out its behind
03:27<jm_>rmadison doesn't mention version, no idea where it got it from
03:28<Hideo>its behind! =)
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03:29<ml|>dpkg: lart judd
03:29*dpkg pours hot grits down the front of judd's pants
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03:29<Hideo>bot on bot violence
03:30<ml|>Hideo: lol judd can't hit afaik
03:30<Supaplex>dpkg: confuse judd
03:30<dpkg>No, what is your pineapple today, judd? Wellies of the Democracy of Swaziland with extra crabpaste.
03:31<matt7676>jm_: the computer is back in order. Monitoring "watch -n 1 free" shows no memory leakage. Thanks!! Only one question: if the module-init-tools version 3.7-pre9-1 is known to be faulty, then why isn't it removed from the "testing" repository?
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03:32<jm_>matt7676: because nothing has been done about that bug report yet I think
03:32<jm_>so the assumption is it's not faulty I suppose
03:33<ml|>matt7676: maybe add your 2 cents to the bug report
03:33<Hideo>what bug number?
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03:37<sangeetha>could anyone tell me how to patch a debian package
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03:39<jackyf>sangeetha: you have to download source for debian package, patch it some way, then rebuild and install
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03:40<sangeetha>jackyf, i want to edit the desktop file of a package
03:40<sangeetha>but already patch is available for that desktop file
03:41<sangeetha>then how do i do it
03:41<jackyf>sangeetha: are you asking how to apply a patch only?
03:41<sangeetha>jackyf, yes
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03:42<jackyf>sangeetha: then man 1 patch
03:42<sangeetha>jackyf, ok
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03:59<matt7676>ml|: should I just send an email using my own email address with my problem description to ?
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04:01<rufuscure>does anyone know where to get a hotmail script for conky?
04:01<matt7676>Supaplex: in my opinion and as much I have tested other clients, Vuze is the most advanced torrent client both for Windows and Linux platforms.
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04:06<jm_>ahh vuze is azuerus :)
04:07<Hideo>ah java bloat
04:09<Hideo>matt7676: yes that is the address to send
04:10<Hideo>matt7676: only if you have helpful info though
04:10<Supaplex>uhhhh too many open files?!?
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04:11<Hideo>Supaplex: rtorrent my friend, as jm_ suggested
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04:15<matt7676>Hideo: before sending the traditionas email, I tried reporting a bug using "reportbug", but it quits after i have inserted the package name(module-init-tools).
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04:15<Hideo>matt7676: try reportbug-ng
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04:15<prahal>hi using shorewall 4 ... how comes any of the chains it defines are not referenced ? (what make them referenced or not in shorewall conf ?)
04:17<matt7676>Hideo: I'll send the email. In my opinion knowing the exact email address where to send the mail is the easiest way to report a bug.
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04:19<Supaplex>looks like utorrent was easier to install. albeit via wine. ;p I need to kick this etch box into the lenny age.
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04:21<shamanix>Supaplex give Transmission a try
04:21<Hideo>Supaplex: for shame
04:22<Supaplex>well, i'll let it seed over night. all done. then I'll purge that for now.
04:22*Supaplex cracks open his downloadz
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04:25<ml|>matt7676: a bit late but like Hideo said yes
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04:26<ml|>Supaplex: rtorrent!
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04:27<Hideo>that's the 3rd rtorrent recommendation he's got now
04:27<ml|>i did suggest it earlier
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04:31<shamanix>just dont get Vuze, in fact I beg you net to get it, Java is evil
04:32<shamanix>unless you got some 8 core cpu with 16 gigabytes of ram
04:32<Hideo>what if he lives in the Arctic and needs the extra heat from his pc, huh? Did you ever think of that?
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04:35<matt7676>Hideo: is there some standard info I should give when reporting a bug? I mean in Windows environment there is memory dump taken automatically...
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04:37<Hideo>matt7676: huh? What do you mean by Windows environment?
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04:38<Hideo>matt7676: oh, you mean in MS Windows?
04:38<Hideo>matt7676: just use reportbug-ng
04:39<Hideo>it'll automatically add the version and the dependency in the bug report for you
04:39<matt7676>Hideo: yes, MS windows
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04:39<matt7676>Hideo: ok, I'll use reportbug-ng then
04:39<Hideo>on the other hand, since you already downgrade, just add the version of the affected package in manually
04:43<matt7676>Hideo: message sent:
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04:45<Hideo>matt7676: why are you still using etch?
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04:50<matt7676>Hideo: I'll upgrade it to Lenny today
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04:51<Hideo>!tell matt7676 about etch->lenny
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04:57<Supaplex>!tell me a bed time story
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05:01<cluster>hi is here anybody who has some experience with fetchmail + maildrop..
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05:02<jm_>just fetchmail for me
05:04<cluster>fetchmail is working alone but filtering with maildrop doesn't..
05:06<jm_>why would one use maildrop + fetchmail?
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05:11<cluster>because i need local mail delivery agent for filtering emails...
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05:23<matt7676>!tell me about lenny release notes
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05:47<shiznatix>Hello. I just installed Zend Optimizer 3.3.3 and now apache won't come back up. The error I am getting is this:
05:49<jm_>Address already in use means something else is already listening
05:50<locklace>you can find out what with netstat -tlp
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05:51<shiznatix>it says apache is already listening
05:51<shiznatix>full output:
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05:54<sander_m>Hi all. How can I find the reason for php5-clamavlib being dropped? It was available in Etch but no longer in Lenny. I can't seem to find out why. Also, is there an alternative to scanning files with ClamAV using PHP on Debian Lenny?
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05:59<OdyX>sander_m: gi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=
06:00<OdyX>bleargh.. wait bloody paste
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06:01<OdyX>!bug 498936
06:01<sander_m>OdyX: Thanks
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06:02<shiznatix>Ok I was able to kill apache and restart it with apache2 but I still don't have control over apache with the regular /etc/init.d/apache2, it still gives me the same errors as my first pastebin and the website is unreachable
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06:03<jobi>i have broken gconf defaults (or maybe schemas) on my box
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06:04<jobi>ran make install from a gconf debian source tree to try something, now whatever i try i don't get defaults
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06:49<deavid>"top" shows 700Mb of buffers. There's a command to "clear" the buffers?
06:49<deavid>I want to clear these "cached data",, to force the OS to read the disk again
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06:50<jm_>deavid: read about /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
06:51<deavid>jm_: ok, i've found it, thanks!
06:53<deavid>I'm mirroring 160Gb of data to a external USB disc using rsync
06:53<deavid>if that data stored in my computer is not modified by anything, and every time I try to rsync, rsync says that is transfering some files...
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06:54<deavid>it will mean that, the disc is corrupted and I'm hqaving data loss?
06:54<jm_>how do you know it's not modified?
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06:55<snogglethorpe>deavid: if you're using rsync -t (or -a), it can do taht to update mod-times
06:55<deavid>jm_: because is a folder that I copied manually into my home folder, so no app is using it
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06:55<locklace>deavid: use the verbose options to rsync to find out what it's actually doing
06:56<locklace>deavid: look into -i, -vv, -n etc
06:56<locklace>deavid: and --stats
06:56<jm_>deavid: well it can tell why it copies
06:56<jm_>and with statistics it writes a file where you can look
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06:57<locklace>and if you aren't using -u it's going to copy them anyway
06:58<deavid>ok, the next time I'll try "--stats" and "-vv"
06:59<deavid>that pastebin is the log of what i've done
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07:06<deavid>ok, done
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07:10<locklace>so it's, what, randomly sending three files every time you run it?
07:10<deavid>locklace: yes, that is!
07:10<deavid>and noone is changing that folder
07:10<deavid>i was experiencing problems with this drive with XFS filessystem, and I tried now ReiserFS.
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07:11<deavid>and I think that this is the same problem as before
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07:11<deavid>the diference is, that reiserfs does not complain
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07:12<locklace>deavid: you should use -i to show the nature of the changes from rsync's perspective (read the info on this option in "man rsync")
07:13<deavid>-i with -vv and --stats ? all together ?
07:13<locklace>but yeah, it does sound like there's something fishy going on with your filesystem
07:14<locklace>you may want to run some drive/fs tests
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07:15<deavid>locklace: i'm interested on test that are conclusive, to know if the device is really broken or not. I can erase all data without problems (is backed up)
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07:15<deavid>do you know some useful tests for this?
07:16<jm_>md5sum, badblocks
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07:16<locklace>deavid: check out smartmontools and hdparm
07:17<locklace>you can also use hdparm/sdparm/blktool to see and change low-level attributes of the drive
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07:18<jm_>yeah smartmontools to monitor it
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07:20<locklace>it can also do various tests
07:20<jm_>indeed, best to schedule them at weird hour though
07:20<locklace>like just before sleeping, hehe
07:20<deavid>device doesn't support it ---
07:20<deavid>is trough usb
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07:22<deavid>doesn't matter, i suposse, I'll do one or two tries more, and if it fails, it's broken
07:22<locklace>deavid: might be some useful things here,
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07:23<deavid>hmm, thanks!
07:24<jm_>depending on your chipset etc. SMART can work for USB drives
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07:39<dr|z3d>I've just installed exmap to look at, and I can't find it anywhere. No man entry either. Any ideas?
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07:40<locklace>dpkg -L exmap
07:40<dpkg>No packages found matching exmap
07:41<locklace>is that even a debian package
07:42<dr|z3d>Hmm, possibly not. May have come from another repository.
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07:42<locklace>oh, it's in etch and sid
07:42<locklace>anyway, the dpkg -L should list all the files it installed, also check /usr/share/doc/exmap
07:42<dr|z3d>Ok, thanks.
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07:43<dr|z3d>Nice. Package is called exmap, binary is called gexmap.
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07:45<locklace>yeah, just saw that
07:45<locklace>it looked interesting until i saw that it has a ton of gtk dependencies
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07:46<dr|z3d>Yeah, also needs a kernel mod :/
07:46<locklace>yeah, for something that works like that, hardcoding a gtk interface into it is mind-boggling
07:46<dr|z3d>It's a more accurate version of top.
07:47<locklace>there was another (cli) tool i saw that did something like that
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07:48<dr|z3d>Hmm.. let's give that one a spin.
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07:52<dr|z3d>locklace: fwiw:
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08:04<pkt>isn't that (exmap) unmaintained for ages now?
08:05<dr|z3d>pkt: Quite probably.
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08:15<tone>morning, folks
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08:17<sander_m>Hi. When I want to test out some server running on TCP (e.g. an SMTP server) I can use telnet to connect to it and just hammer in the SMTP command manually. But what if a service is running on a unix socket? I have just installed clamav-daemon and it uses a socket (/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl). Is there a super-simple telnet-like terminal I can use to access it?
08:18<locklace>sander_m: netcat
08:18<sander_m>locklace: Thanks. I'll give it a try!
08:19<locklace>not sure if it handles unix domain sockets yet, it might be ip only
08:19<locklace>yeah, socat
08:19<locklace>that definitely does it, and it's what i actually use these days
08:20<sander_m>Indeed, from the netcat manpage it looks like it's just IP
08:20<sander_m>I';ll try socat
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08:22<buffoon_work_>does anybody have an idea to convert a .dwg file to .png with debian?
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08:25<OdyX>buffoon_work_: convert from imagemagick
08:27<buffoon_work_>hmm, imagemagick reads .dwg too? that doesn't seem to be a swiss army knife... it's a swiss army arsenal =)
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08:55<tuxcrafter>hello everybody i am on a vds with debian stable and it has an iscsi disk over eth1, the interface file looks like this:
08:55<tuxcrafter>how can i make sure eth1 stays up when restaring the network
08:55<tuxcrafter>/etc/init.d/networking restart
08:55<tuxcrafter>it now brings down the iscsi with the disk
08:56<locklace>well, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to, restarting the network
08:57<tuxcrafter>locklace: i know but the iscsi eth1 is the root
08:57<tuxcrafter>if the eth1 goes down the complete systems goes
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08:58<locklace>if you don't actually want it to restart part of the network, then you need to remove eth1 from the /etc/network/interfaces, hack the init.d script, or don't restart it that way
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09:00<tuxcrafter>there is no way to tell the interface file not to take down eth1
09:00<locklace>if there is it would be in man interfaces
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09:06<tuxcrafter>i cant find it but the man page is prety big
09:07<zwamkat>Could someone tell me how I can rotate my /var/log/messages faster? It is rotating weekly. I'd like it to set to daily.
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09:07<OdyX>zwamkat: depends on your system logger
09:08<OdyX>search for a file in /etc/logrotate.d/*
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09:10<shiznatix>can anyone help me with courier? I have courier-imap installed but I want to add email accounts to it since right now it mostly just sends emails, never receives any but I need to change that and I don't know how to do it from the command line
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09:11<zwamkat>@Odyx I think I use both logrotate and syslogd. /var/log/messages is being rotated by syslogd. I can tell by syslogd-listfiles -w
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09:13<OdyX>no. I don't think that /v/l/messages is rotated vy syslogd
09:13<jm_>zwamkat: look in cronjobs, sysklogd etc.
09:13<OdyX>it's logrotate's task
09:14<jm_>it is, but it's only listed ny syslogd-listfiles in weekly cron job, you'll easily see why
09:14<zwamkat>@OdyX Can I paste the outcome of syslogd-listfiles -w ??
09:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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09:16<zwamkat>syslog.conf defines /v/l/messages but I can't find where I can define the rotation freq.
09:17<jm_>like I said, cronjobs
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09:17<OdyX>zwamkat: /etc/logrotate.d/inetutils-syslogd
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09:18<zwamkat>@OdyX & jm_ The outcome of syslogd-listfiles -w =
09:20<jm_>now look at /etc/cron.{daily,weekly}/sysklogd
09:20<zwamkat>Sorry file /etc/logrotate.d/inetutils-syslogd does not exist
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09:22<simon1245>Hello Everyone, could someone tell me how to download and install LiveZilla?
09:23<dr|z3d>simon1245: Did you google?
09:23<simon1245>No, I need help fast that was why i came here
09:23<simon1245>I am a supporter for and i need that program
09:23<dr|z3d>So, google.
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09:23<dr|z3d>It's as fast as you can type. +-
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09:25<simon1245>Is Livezilla for debian to?
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09:25<simon1245>They are talking about Wine or something
09:25<dr|z3d>How about you hit google, first.
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09:26<dr|z3d>Wine runs Windows executables in Linux.
09:26<dr|z3d>So likely LiveZilla doesn't run natively.
09:26<zwamkat>Hello pbn, welcome to #debian
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09:27<zwamkat>@jm_ /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd reads: logs=$(syslogd-listfiles --weekly)
09:27<simon1245>Oh ok thank you
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09:27<simon1245>Dr z3d could i private chat you?
09:28<dr|z3d>simon1245: Sorry, no.
09:28<shiznatix>How do you setup a new email account on debian? I have always just used cPanel to setup the email account but since this server doesn't have cpanel or any gui to do things like that how do I go about adding an email account from the command line?
09:28<simon1245>Ok, Never mind
09:28<zwamkat>Hello fabiottini, welcome to #debian
09:29<zwamkat>@OdyX jm_ pointed me to /etc/cron.{daily,weekly}/sysklogs but that seems a dead end to me.
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09:32<zwamkat>@shiznatix I usually have need for a new e-mail accont when I create a new user. On my default installations it happens automagicly.
09:33<shiznatix>zwamkat, the problem is that I don't want to create new accounts on the system, just new email accounts that will be managed by that server (no ssh, ftp, etc anything else, just email)
09:33<zwamkat>@shiznatix Do you need a new user or a new account?
09:33<shiznatix>zwamkat, just the new email account
09:33<simon1245>How do i use Wine?
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09:34<valdyn>shiznatix: adding an email account is just adding an account
09:34<zwamkat>@shiznatix What mail(server) combination are you running?
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09:34<shiznatix>courier and exim
09:34<valdyn>shiznatix: unless you went out of your way to set up an independent email accounting system
09:34<valdyn>shiznatix: so just run adduser
09:34<simon1245>Dr Could you tell me how to use it?
09:35<zwamkat>@valdyn That it what I tried to explain... :-)
09:35<shiznatix>valdyn, but I don't want to make a home directory or any of that stuff
09:35<valdyn>shiznatix: why does it bother you that theres a home directory?
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09:35<valdyn>shiznatix: dont want your users to autoforward mail?
09:35<zwamkat>@shiznatix The home dirs are default, you might need them to store mail in.
09:36<locklace>shiznatix: it's possible to set up "virtual" user accounts just for email, but that's purely a matter of configuring your mail server software, consult its documentation to find out how or if it can handle it
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09:36<valdyn>shiznatix: you *can* do all kinds of t hings, what locklace said or adduser without home directory, the question is if its worth the effort
09:36<zwamkat>unless you put the mail in var/spool/mail
09:36<shiznatix>valdyn, because its a shared server in a way, the only thing that we need on this server is email accounts for a domain
09:37<valdyn>shiznatix: how do users fetch mail?
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09:37<valdyn>shiznatix: via pop3? imap?
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09:38<shiznatix>valdyn, the new accounts created won't be accessed by anyone. they will be dummy accounts that will have all the email forwarded to a php script that will handle everything
09:38<valdyn>shiznatix: ok, then just use useradd instead
09:38<valdyn>shiznatix: thats similar to adduser, but about anything like home directories, copying /etc/skel/ contents etc is optional
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09:39<shiznatix>valdyn, roger that. I will look into doing it that way
09:39<valdyn>shiznatix: use useradd with the proper option, setting login to /bin/true or somesuch, so they dont get a shell account
09:39<shiznatix>valdyn, one other question though. How do I setup a email forwarder from the command line?
09:39<valdyn>shiznatix: the unix forwarder is ~/.forward
09:40<valdyn>shiznatix: which kind of conflicts with you not wanting $HOME
09:40<valdyn>shiznatix: what do you need to forward to?
09:40<valdyn>shiznatix: a php script?
09:40<shiznatix>valdyn, yes
09:40<simon1245>Can someone tell me how to use Wine
09:40<valdyn>shiznatix: thats mailer dependent then
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09:41<valdyn>shiznatix: mta have configurable delivery
09:41<valdyn>shiznatix: alternatively use ~/.forward
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09:41<valdyn>shiznatix: home directories dont hurt you
09:41<valdyn>shiznatix: you can collect home directories wherever you want, they dont need to be at /home
09:42<simon1245>Please, Can someone help me?
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09:42<valdyn>shiznatix: the thing to consider is that if you dont use the cross mta standards, then you get stuck using one specific mta
09:43<locklace>!tell simon1245 about ask
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09:43<shiznatix>valdyn, roger. I will start to take a look see into this stuff. See what I can make of it all.
09:44<simon1245>Locklace i don't know how to use Wine
09:44<simon1245>Locklace could you help me please?
09:44<valdyn>simon1245: wine someprogram.exe
09:44<valdyn>simon1245: *that* simple
09:44<locklace>so go read the documentation, it's there for a reason
09:44<simon1245>Valdyn: In the terminal?
09:44<valdyn>simon1245: sure
09:45<simon1245>Valdyn: I want to use Livezilla, Should i download the Windows version?
09:45<valdyn>simon1245: how the fuck would i know what you should do
09:45<valdyn>simon1245: wine is a tool to run windows versions of programs
09:45<locklace>hehe, this isn't going to end well
09:46<valdyn>simon1245: you should use linux versions
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09:46<valdyn>simon1245: and avoid useing wine
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09:46<simon1245>There isn't any linux version i guess, I went to there site and checked
09:46<simon1245>There didn't show up anything about linux
09:46<petemc>wine wont run every windows app
09:46<valdyn>simon1245: guess you dont have a choice then
09:47<simon1245>Ok, I will try let me download it
09:47<valdyn>what a junk, its just a chat system
09:47<locklace>don't feel obligated to give us running commentary on your progress
09:47<valdyn>im sure theres free as in libre equivalents
09:48<simon1245>Is there any site to see all linux terminal commands? And there functions?
09:48<valdyn>simon1245: no
09:49<valdyn>simon1245: what you are asking for is "is there a site with all linux programs", no theres not
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09:50<locklace>!tell simon1245 about grounding
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09:52<simon1245>Valdyn: Lol where does the file saves? :D
09:52<asaleem>how do i confim a compromised mail server being used by spam
09:52<petemc>the logs
09:52<valdyn>simon1245: same as in windows
09:52<simon1245>valdyn: Ok, Thank you
09:52<valdyn>simon1245: which is wherever you configured your webbrowser to save at
09:53<asaleem>petemc, what particular in the logs
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09:53<petemc>asaleem: the particular bit that shows mails going out
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09:53<simon1245>Valdyn: Ok, Thanks and is there any websites with Linux books? I mean free, don't want to pay lol for something that is so hard :D
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09:53<asaleem>my system normally sends emails to users that use it for different activities
09:54<valdyn>asaleem: watch the traffic from a non-compromised router
09:54<locklace>simon1245: are you even reading the messages from dpkg
09:54<locklace>!tell simon1245 about grounding
09:54<dpkg>somebody said fundamentals was You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at Then, read the Debian Reference at
09:54<valdyn>simon1245: start with ^^
09:54<asaleem>valdyn, I watch the emails going out
09:55<valdyn>simon1245: that howto links to more advanced howtos which are decent reading material too
09:55<asaleem>petemc, valdyn, if I see many of them at tyhe same time, I can suspect it
09:55<simon1245>Should i read these manuals?
09:55<simon1245>Thank you :)
09:55<valdyn>asaleem: sure, i dont doubt your abilities as a bayesian filter ;)
09:55<locklace>yes, read every single one and come back when you're done.
09:56<valdyn>asaleem: maybe that server is already listed at the usual sites
09:56<simon1245>This is so much harder then Windows is
09:56<valdyn>simon1245: its not hard
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09:56<valdyn>simon1245: its technical
09:56<simon1245>Valdyn: How long time did it take for you to learn it?
09:57<valdyn>simon1245: i dont get spoonfed with stupid metaphors
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09:57<valdyn>simon1245: *you* dont get spoonfed with stupid metaphors
09:57<asaleem>valdyn, it normaly send emails when user do reservations at its web interface. It was blacklisted by AT&T's server
09:57<valdyn>simon1245: i have no idea, theres always plenty new things to learn
09:58<simon1245>valdyn: Are you proffesional Linux user?
09:58<valdyn>simon1245: nope
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09:58<simon1245>valdyn: Ok, Do you know every basic things?
09:59<valdyn>simon1245: nope
09:59<valdyn>simon1245: thats a silly question
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09:59<valdyn>simon1245: no one on earth knows every basic thing by my definition, i dont know your definition
09:59<simon1245>Valdyn: Lol, Just asked if you knew
09:59<valdyn>simon1245: you want to learn how to find the docs to every basic thing
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10:00<valdyn>simon1245: you dont want to know every basic thing, thats insane
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10:00<simon1245>valdyn: No i meant in linux do you know the basic things so you can use it good without needing to ask every sec you doing aything?
10:00<locklace>simon1245: this would be a great time to start reading and stop typing dumb things into irc.
10:00<simon1245>Valdyn: Like i can use Windows without any problems but when i got in here i keep asking
10:00<valdyn>simon1245: i dont need to ask
10:01<valdyn>simon1245: first google hit usually is it.
10:01<simon1245>locklace: Ok i will stop
10:01<simon1245>valdyn: Ok i will use google most of the time
10:01<valdyn>simon1245: i didnt say that
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10:02<valdyn>simon1245: many people come here after they followed a howto found on google. That howto was bad. The art is how to read documentation
10:02<locklace>simon1245: alternatively, you could go to #ubuntu on and type dumb things in there, where they're accepted as normal
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10:03<simon1245>Lol :D
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10:08<simon1245>Does everyone use terminal? (dumb question?) :D
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10:10<locklace>everyone who matters
10:11<simon1245>I don't know how to install it now
10:11<locklace>more reading, less speaking
10:12<simon1245>Oh comon help me
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10:13<simon1245>I can't get it working :S
10:13<simon1245>It's wierd i did like he told me
10:13<locklace>how old are you
10:14<locklace>that's about four years older than i expected
10:15<simon1245>Look i get this
10:15<simon1245>err:reg:SCSI_getprocentry SCSI type line scan count error (fscanf returns 1, expected 2)
10:15<simon1245>wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\livezilla.exe": Module not found
10:15<simon1245>wineWine failed with return code 126
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10:16<simon1245>Oh shit what was that?
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10:20<simon1245>So what should i do?
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10:21<locklace>1, read the links you were given in their entirety; 2, stop messing with wine and find a better chat program that's linux-native, there are hundreds.
10:22<simon1245>I need one like that
10:22<simon1245>I got kicked so i don't got the links
10:22<petemc>simon1245: google for "livezilla wine"
10:23<simon1245>Petemc: I will try, Thank you
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10:33<shiznatix>Hello. I know this is not really a debian question but I don't know where else to ask. I have a HD with centOS installed on it but the HD is dieing and I really need to back up the stuff on it. I got knoppix to boot up on it but I can't get the HD to mount properly, only the /boot part is visible in the file browser. Is there any hope for this at all?
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10:34<locklace>shiznatix: don't mount it, make a backup image using dd or, better, ddrescue or similar
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10:36<shiznatix>locklace, but if knoppix doesn't even seam to realize that there is more than just the /boot partition will that still work?
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10:37<DET_>guys how to make an app auto detect an encoding?
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10:37<locklace>shiznatix: only you can answer that
10:38<wes_h>Is there a problem with the transition to the new archive signing key? says "archive will be digitally signed by both the old and the new key" for now, but my package updates are showing up as untrusted. This prevents me from installing the new debian-archive-keyring (unless I override the warning).
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10:39<OdyX>wes_h: aptitude update '
10:39<wes_h>OdyX: tried that
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10:40<locklace>wes_h: so override the warning and install debian-archive-keyring
10:40<OdyX>locklace: and the trust ?
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10:43<locklace>alternatively get and install it manually
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10:44<OdyX>locklace: ;)
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10:44<nas>how to make horde/webmail detect jap chars
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10:45<wes_h>I guess my question is just more does anyone know if the repositories are known to be messed up? I don't think I should be getting a trust issue unless someone botched the key stuff. On 5/23 it was posted, "Starting with the next mirror update this evening and for the next three weeks the archive will be digitally signed by both the old and the new key. Starting with the 13th of June only the new key will be used."
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10:46<dpkg>[jp] Japan
10:46<OdyX>thanks dpkg, very useful
10:46<locklace>wes_h: haven't had any problems myself, nor seen any similar reports from people lately
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10:48<dpkg>[debian] See
10:48<nas>sorry for the unrelated question
10:48<nas>if anyone happen to know please reply
10:49<dr_doofenshmirtz>nas: what unrelated question?
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10:49<valdyn>nas: why would your webmail care about characters?
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10:50<nas>because my horde webmail does not render jap chars. when i open a mail with jap chars, the jap chars become some funny chars
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10:50<valdyn>nas: rendering is done by the webbrowser
10:50<nas>the same mail i send to gmail is rendered properly
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10:51<nas>without having to change my browser setting
10:51<nas>i know browser can set encoding
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10:51<valdyn>nas: so set it properly in the browser and see
10:51<nas>i did but nothing happens
10:51<valdyn>nas: the site default is what you got to change problably, so you do not have to set it in the browser
10:52<nas>the same mail sent to horde webmail and gmail. gmail displays it properly without having to change any browser encoding setting
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10:52<valdyn>nas: google renders chinese or wth this is here as images
10:53<valdyn>nas: that makes it work even if your browser is configured wrongly
10:53<nas>really? but i can try copy paste the chars in gmail? how could it be images?
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10:54<valdyn>nas: not sure
10:55<nas>could it be the locales package?
10:56<nas>do i need to enable something in the locales package after installing to make it work?
10:56<valdyn>nas: you need to install japanese fonts anyway
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10:57<valdyn>nas: nm, that image is a placeholder only
10:58<valdyn>nas: you need content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"
10:59<nas>actually from the compose window when i copy paste is ok. rendered properly. but when i checked in the sent item and inbox, the jap does not render any longer
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11:04<nas>and btw, anyone knows how to make a cert using openssl. i want to achieve the cert format in this link. -- >
11:05<nas>if you notice before the begin certificate there are lines before that
11:05<nas>it starts with this
11:05<nas> Data:
11:05<nas> Version: 3 (0x2)
11:05<nas> Serial Number: 1 (0x1)
11:05<nas> Signature Algorithm: md5WithRSAEncryption
11:06<nas>i used openssl and i can only generate the RSA and CERTIFICATE itslef
11:06<nas>but not the lines before the cert
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11:07<nas>this is x509 cert format
11:07<nas>think got to play with openssl options
11:07<nas>but can't find it out
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11:09<Piet>you are aware of security implications with md5, right?
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11:10<nas>but i just need to create this cert
11:11<nas>for testing
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11:12<Piet>i _think_ the "Certificate: Data:" block is just a summary
11:12<Piet>but dont rely on this ;-)
11:12<nas>yeah i know but i need to create this format
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11:13<nas>because my apache config looks for this part
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11:15<darrob>hi, apparently the $XDG_CONFIG_HOME and $XDG_DATA_HOME variables are not set on my system or at least they don't echo. where is the best place to set them manually? .xinitrc, .bash_profile or somewhere else?
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11:17<Piet>nas: just create one and then use "openssl x509 -in /path/to/newcertificate.pem -text" to display it. it should display the data header
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11:20<Piet>darrob: ~/.xinitrc seems like a good place to me, since it's X specific and of user scope. but i guess ~/.bashrc will be fine, too
11:21<Piet>as long as this is the shell you use
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11:22<darrob>Piet: thank you. i'm wondering, though, how some applications find those directories just fine.
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11:24<Piet>darrob: i don't know how your system is configured. i did not need to set these variables on my system which runs X, too, but probably has different hardware and software installed than yours
11:25<valdyn>you dont need to set these in debian
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11:27<darrob>valdyn: so there is something wrong with my installation?
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11:27<valdyn>darrob: how would i know? did you tell us the issue you are having?
11:28<darrob>oh, didn't i? sorry.
11:28<darrob>it's quite simple. there is a bash script depending on that variable as a directory path.
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11:29<valdyn>darrob: sounds like that bash script is being stupid
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11:29<valdyn>darrob: and youd set those variables to fix that bash script
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11:31<valdyn>darrob: seems like apps are supposed to use $HOME/.local if XDG_HOME is not set
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11:32<darrob>valdyn: do you mean to set them inside the script?
11:32<valdyn>darrob: i dont know your broken script
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11:33<darrob>it's one of the little scripts that come with the uzbl browser
11:33<valdyn>a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used.
11:33<valdyn>darrob: read the spec if you want to fix that script properly
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11:34<valdyn>darrob: or just set the variables in that script
11:34<darrob>alright, i will. thank you.
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11:36<Mitsui_Sam>Hi all, I got, using apt, etchnhalf patches and source, how can I apply all patches to the new source?
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11:48<Tenebrus>hi there
11:48<Dominique>Hi! How do I completely remove wine from my linux?
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11:48<cahoot>red or white?
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11:49<Tenebrus>apt-get remove *wine* i guess
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11:49<bja>I do prefere rose
11:49<Dominique>hmm... when I reinstall wine, all the config. remain same... I don't want that to happen.
11:50<Dominique>or is there a way to restore wine to its default settings?
11:50<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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11:52<Tenebrus>how can i control sound mixer settings in console?
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11:52<bja>Tenebrus: Alsamixer
11:53<Tenebrus>oh, thanks
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11:54<Dominique>Hi! I uninstalled wine using apt-get remove wine. but the name still shows in "Applications"
11:54<Dominique>how do I remove wine completely from my linux?
11:55<bja>Dominique: use aptitude
11:55<cahoot>aptitude purge wine
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11:56<Dominique>i did aptitude purge wine, and still the name shows in Applications
11:57<dr|z3d>Dominique: Try restarting your DE.
11:57<Dominique>how do i do dat?
11:57<bja>Dominique: "man aptitude" or "man apt-get" are your friends
11:57<dr|z3d>Sometimes that's needed to clean shortcuts from your menus.
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11:57<dr|z3d>Dominique: Log out, log in.
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11:58<ed_debian>Dominique, That happens to me from time to time. IDK why but sometimes when you purge a package the gnome-panel doesn't update unti you restart (either the system or the panel)
11:58<dr|z3d>ed_debian: logout will fix. Easiest way.
11:58<dr|z3d>You could just kill the panel, but still.
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11:58<Dominique>no luck. wine still shows in applications
11:59<dr|z3d>Then you may need to fiddle with gconf or gnome's menu editor.
11:59<bja>dr|z3d: On releases before lenny I used to have a Debian submenu, now it is gone, is that the normal procedure or there is something wrong here.
11:59<bja>Dominique: have you tried synaptic to uninstall things?
11:59<dr|z3d>bja: Something's not quite right.
12:00<bja>dr|z3d: Thanks, thought so, I won't waste your time nor mine to fix it
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12:00<Dominique>synaptic is the same as "apt-get remove wine". I've Tried That
12:00<bja>Dominique: Not exactly, there are subtle differences
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12:01<Dominique>lemme see...
12:02<Dominique>in synaptec, its not checked
12:02<Dominique>i see... i still have wine-bin
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12:03<Dominique>brb bja
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12:05<edoreld>how can I stop an interface (e.g: eth0) from automatically reconfiguring (e.g: ifconfig eth0 down >> it goes up automatically & ifconfig eth0 <ip> netmask <mask> >> it ignores it and gets an autoassigned ip)
12:05<edoreld>it's a fresh install, debian 5.0
12:06<Dominique>bja. i uninstalled wine-bin and wine-utils from synaptec. wine still shows in Applications, but the icon has changed to a folder.
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12:09<bja>Dominique: check all the things that depend on wine, I would uninstall it directly through aptitude interactively
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12:11<Dominique>how do i use aptitude to uninstall interactively?
12:11<bja>Dominique: Console with root privilidges
12:11<Dominique>i did...
12:11<bja>Dominique: Type "aptitude"
12:12<Dominique>hmm... some interface opened up.
12:12<bja>Dominique: type "/"
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12:12<Dominique>Search opened up.
12:12<bja>Dominique: type "^wine"
12:12<bja>Dominique: type "_"
12:13<bja>then type g and again g and wine is gone gone :)
12:13<Dominique>i typed ^wine.
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12:13<Dominique>okay. i typed ^wine_
12:13<bja>And it should have taken you directly to thw wine package
12:14<bja>type first is a regexp that will take you to wine, the second _ is a command to aptitude to purge completely wine
12:14<bja>s/type first/the first
12:15<Dominique>i typed /^wine <enter> and then "_"
12:16<Dominique>that's only the underscore.
12:16<bja>Dominique: Right
12:16<Dominique>the last underscore didn't make any visible difference.
12:16<Dominique>anyways, i've three wine packages. wine, wine-bin and wine-utils.
12:16<Dominique>what do i do next?
12:16<bja>if you push the return key on wine, all the deps are shown
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12:17<bja>Dominique: Everything should be on red
12:17<Dominique>yes they are.
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12:17<bja>Dominique: Then wine is completely purged.
12:18<bja>Dominique: To chech that type on a console "locate wine"
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12:19<Dominique>it returned many lines... files.
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12:20<dr|z3d>Dominique: Load up synaptic, search for wine, and remove anything there you find.
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12:20<bja>dr|z3d: Dominique allready did that
12:21<fxiny>Dominique: don't worry about locate/lines , this is the rigth command to check for : apt-cache policy wine
12:21<bja>Dominique: There should be only about 8 or so
12:21<dr|z3d>bja: Odd. If he'd done that, wine should now be nuked.
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12:22<Dominique>well, it's got locations from all the softwares I ever installed on wine...
12:22<dr|z3d>I suspect there are still wine libraries about and other secondary packages.
12:22<bja>dr|z3d: I installed wine by mistake, I uninstalled it and the uninstall process leaves some things behind
12:22<magyar_>hi, is there a way to "AUTO" mount a usb drive in lenny?
12:22<ed_debian>magyar, Do they not mount automatically already?
12:23<fxiny>wine and libwine perhaps ?
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12:23<fxiny>mine is a vintage version Installed: 0.0.20041019-1 ;)
12:24<bja>dr|z3d: Plus what Dominique allready stated
12:24<magyar_>ed_debian, nope, I can see in dmesg, that /dev/sdc is attached , but df is not showing any mounting
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12:24<Dominique>okay. There happen to be the directory structure that wine has left behind. Is it safe to delete them?
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12:24<fxiny>in your home ?
12:24<Dominique>it points to the folders /root/.wine and /home/dominique/.wine
12:25<fxiny>root wine ?
12:25<Dominique>yes. my home and root's home.
12:25<valdyn>Dominique: dont run wine as root
12:26<Dominique>well, i did that by mistake when I first installed it.
12:26<ed_debian>magyar, The answer to your question is yes, you can auto-mount. Unfortunately I don't know how to do it lol. I assume there is a package. Try googleing it! I use gnome and it automounts
12:26<Dominique>is it safe to delete all the windows file structure wine has created?
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12:27<fxiny>i have a tarball of my ~/.wine
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12:28<dr|z3d>Dominique: Yes. Fine to delete all of that.
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12:30<bja>Dominique: Nuke them all, and have fun :)
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12:32<Dominique>Okay. I'm new to linux. There's a line ~/.config/menus which contains the file structure which is same as the one found in applications. How do I find out if this folder is not being used by any other application so that I may delete it safely.
12:32<valdyn>Dominique: why are you walking thru config files and trying to delete them?
12:32<Dominique>there is a line (in locate wine)
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12:33<fxiny>Dominique: i'd tar it up
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12:33<fxiny>you never know
12:33<valdyn>Dominique: menu entries can be deleted safely
12:33<Dominique>okay... but the directory "menu"??
12:33<valdyn>Dominique: contains menu entries
12:34<Dominique>so I shudn't delete that?
12:34<Dominique>it's got only wine and subsequent wine submenus.
12:34<valdyn>Dominique: its menu entries according to xdg standard
12:34<fxiny>a meny dir ? i can see dosdevices and fake_windows only dir
12:34<valdyn>Dominique: you can delete it all, it will be recreated as needed
12:35<valdyn>Dominique: but if theres any menu entries you need in there, those would be gone
12:35<Dominique>well, there isn't theres only wine.
12:35<valdyn>Dominique: this is made to be manipulated via GUI
12:35<valdyn>Dominique: as the menu is GUI too
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12:37<Dominique>i'm keeping the /home/dominique/.config/menus/applications-merged/ directory, but deleting everything inside... it's got only the wine menus.
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12:37<Dominique>is that okay?
12:37<valdyn>Dominique: you cant damage your system that way
12:37<valdyn>Dominique: you can only remove menu items
12:37<bja>Dominique: My system doesn't have that dir , and it works fine, It will not have a termonuclear reaction
12:37<Dominique>then what is the right way to remove those dead entries?
12:38<valdyn>Dominique: your menu GUI
12:38<valdyn>Dominique: or the command line
12:38<fxiny>no icons here
12:38<bja>Dominique: There is no right or wrong way, as long as you know what you are doing.
12:39<Dominique>how do i delete using the menu GUI?
12:39<valdyn>Dominique: do you understand what a gui is?
12:39<valdyn>dont ask me how to click buttons with a mouse
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12:44<Dominique>okay. i'm taking a hard decision, believing it is right. I'm deleting the menu directories...
12:44<locklace>!win Dominique
12:44<dpkg>Congratulations, Dominique! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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12:44<bja>Dominique: Any decision taken by you is right, you are the one who will live the consequences je je
12:45<Dominique>and the result is instantaneous. the dead listings in the Applications menu is gone...
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12:45<bja>!beer Dominique
12:45*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for Dominique
12:46<Dominique>hehe! who's dpkg?
12:46<ml|>dpkg: rocks
12:46<dpkg>Yer damned right...
12:46<bja>dpkg: tell Dominique about dpkg
12:46<Dominique>he's bin around forever, but never talks.
12:46<valdyn>I think Dominique really is a smart bot
12:46<fxiny>a tyrant
12:46<fxiny> dpkg rulez
12:46<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
12:47<valdyn>dpkg: Dominique owns you
12:47<dpkg>valdyn: are you smoking crack?
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12:47<Dominique>dpkg: hi
12:47<dpkg>what's up
12:47<Dominique>hmm... is dpkg a bot?
12:47<Dominique>dpkg: are you a bot?
12:47<ml|>dpkg: tell Dominique dpkgbot
12:47<dpkg>Dominique: i haven't a clue
12:47<ml|>dpkg: tell Dominique about dpkgbot
12:48<Dominique>fuck no...!
12:48<Dominique>he's so... impressive.
12:48<Dominique>dpkg: you're impressive
12:48<dpkg>Dominique: I give up, what is it?
12:48<Dominique>that says it...
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12:49<Dominique>limited responses...
12:49<ml|>dpkg: tell Dominique about bot
12:49<valdyn>dpkg: you're impressive is <reply>You however, are not.
12:49<dpkg>valdyn: okay
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12:49<Dominique>lemme try again.
12:49<Dominique>dpkg: You're impressive
12:49<dpkg>You however, are not.
12:49<Dominique>funny... lol
12:49<valdyn>dpkg: forget you're impressive
12:49<dpkg>valdyn: i forgot you're impressive
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12:50<dr|z3d>dpkg: no, you're impressive is <reply>You, however, are not!|<action>tunefully farts out the star spangled banner. "Thanks!".
12:50<dpkg>okay, dr|z3d
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12:52<ed_debian>I am trying to get rsync to sync a dest and a source the dest has files that the source does not and I want those files deleted. What is the flag / config to do so?
12:52<Dominique>debian wiki says "dpkg stores and retrieves factoids and answers to FAQs." how do I make use of it?
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12:52<valdyn>Dominique: /msg dpkg <factoid>
12:52<valdyn>!search dpkg
12:52<dpkg>Pick my brains at or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.
12:52<fxiny>ed_debian: -avz --delete -e ssh ... ?
12:53<ed_debian>this is all local
12:53*fxiny likes anything v rbose
12:53<valdyn>except that ssh is implicit?
12:53<Dominique>!search wine
12:53<Dominique>!search dpkg
12:53<dpkg>Pick my brains at or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived.
12:53<ed_debian>--delete says that it will remove "extraneous" files. What makes a file extraneous?
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12:54<Dominique>thnx all... bye for tonyt.
12:54<fxiny>local ? rsync -avz --delete orig/ dest/
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12:54<ml|>not in source dir
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12:55<ed_debian>yeah. I literally want to sync a source and a dest. What does the delete flag do? What makes a file extraneous?
12:55<locklace>all of this is spelled out in exhaustive detail in man rsync
12:55<fxiny>ed_debian: itr will delete files in dest not in src
12:55<ml|>not in source dir
12:56<ed_debian>fxiny, Exactly what I'm looking for :). I wanted to be sure --delete is a scary flag lol
12:56<ed_debian>Thanks guys!
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12:56<ml|>ed_debian: maybe leave out the z, unless you want to compress
12:56<ed_debian>yeah, no I'm not compressing
12:57<ed_debian>I'm not archiving either
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12:58<adama>z is generally only useful when rsync is going over a network - compresses the byte stream to speed up and save bandwidth
12:58<adama>it is not for compressing your backups if that's what you were thinking :)
12:59<ed_debian>I am syncing a pmp with several different files on my hdd
12:59<ed_debian>my music folder, my pictures, my videos etc etc
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12:59<adama>I recall you were doing this yesterday
13:00<ml|>how is working out?
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13:00<ml|>rsync is nice :)
13:00<adama>now you need to make it do it automatically when you plug the thing in :)
13:00<ed_debian>I think I'm all done though. Sometimes it's kinda depressing to finish because it's more about the project
13:00<ed_debian>then the result
13:00<ed_debian>adama, :)
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13:00<ed_debian>I was thinking about making it unmount when it was done
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13:01<adama>might as well
13:01<ed_debian>So when it is plugged in is there an event flag thrown?
13:01<ed_debian>o like
13:01<ed_debian>how do I pick that up? cron?
13:01<adama>you can
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13:02<fdsafdsa>so i pulled a debian installation from one system and put it in a different box. everything is working great except the network card. i'm assuming drivers are being loaded for the original card so the new card is unable to be used to access the internet. a little help?
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13:02<fdsafdsa>debian installation = hdd
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13:03<adama>ed_debian: I forget what the thing is called to let you run things when a drive is mounted/unmounted ...I'm sure you can figure it out :)
13:04<ed_debian>adama, :) thank you!
13:04<ml|>ed_debian: there you go a new project ;)
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13:08<ed_debian>thanks again guys :)
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13:48<kalsriv>hi there
13:48<kalsriv>how to use debian to
13:49<kalsriv>load poi on garmin
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13:49<kalsriv>any help i can get?
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13:51<cahoot>kalsriv: maybe apttitude show gpsbabel
13:51<cahoot>err aptitude show gpsbabel
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13:53<themill>kalsriv: gpsman is a solid app for it too. Quirky, but pretty good. Qlandkarte is excellent for manipulating map sets for upload. Both are packaged for debian/
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13:57<kalsriv>any hint on installing them?
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13:57<ml|>kalsriv: aptitude install package-name
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14:16<wekt>There was a (for my computer) fatal bug introduced in an update to xserver-xorg-core in Lenny. Where do I get the source to for the versions to compare?
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14:19<ed_debian>I am writing a script that will be called by udev (some of you might remember me)
14:20<ed_debian>How can I get my script to output in a place I would see it? Using dbus would be cool. Or maybe a very simple gtk box
14:20<ed_debian>but simply launching a terminal would be sufficient
14:21<kalsriv>more questions
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14:21<GabrielMA>Olá pessoal
14:21<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:21<GabrielMA>Gostaria de saber como tiro o linux e coloco o XP
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14:22<locklace>ed_debian: look at gtkdialog
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14:22<ed_debian>locklace, Is that a package?
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14:24<ed_debian>not dbus, I mean gnome notifications
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14:25<wekt>Is there another debian channel with more Debian developers on it (like for X Windows?)
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14:27<dpkg>well, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC> <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed.
14:27<azeem>wekt: ^^
14:29<wekt>azeem: I see how to use that for 1 version, but can I use it to retrieve 2 versions of the same package, both in Lenny?
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14:30<azeem>wekt: you mean from lenny?
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14:30<azeem>wekt: you can try to find earlier/later versions of the package on, but it does not have them all
14:31<wekt>azeem: no, in lenny. Both versions belong to lenny 1 is an update.
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14:31<wekt>The update breaks X Windows (for me).
14:31<azeem>wekt: if it already in lenny (and not just in lenny-security), then you will have to resort to e.g.
14:32<azeem>or get the old version from the original Lenny source CDs
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14:32<ed_debian>I found a neat program in the libnotify-bin package called "notify send" very easy to use.
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14:32<wekt>aha. Source CD. I guess that's on FTP along with the other CDs.
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14:35<wekt>Thanks azeem.
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14:50<ed_debian>where can I get the udevtest program?
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14:54<cahoot>udevadm test [options] devpath perhaps?
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14:55<locklace>yes, a bunch of dumb little separate helper programs were replaced by udevadm
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14:56<ed_debian>thank you!!!
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15:00<adb>judd: versions udevadm
15:00<judd>adb: udevadm --
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15:03<locklace>!greet ed_debian
15:03<dpkg>Moo, ed_debian
15:03<ed_debian>lol, sorry I was testing my internet connection
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15:04<ml|>ed_debian: !test can help ;)
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15:05<ed_debian>I do have a question though. So I have two udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/10-udev.rules
15:05<ed_debian>They file is being read
15:05<ed_debian>the first rule changes my device from "sdb" to "S9" the second rule though doesn't seem to be working
15:05<ed_debian>it is the rule to call a script
15:05<ed_debian>it looks like this
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15:06<ed_debian>SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{size}=="32194560", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/cowon-sync"
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15:16<ed_debian>My udev rule doesn't seem to be working! Any ideas?
15:16<ed_debian>SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{size}=="32194560", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/cowon-sync"
15:18*locklace awaits the imminent rush of udev hackers, crowding the channel gates to answer
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15:20<locklace>udev is just a short stone's throw away from hal and dbus in the scheme of things
15:20<ed_debian>your point being?
15:21<weasel>it sucks
15:21<locklace>!beer weasel
15:21*dpkg pours a litre of Yuengling Lager for weasel
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15:23<ml|>ed_debian: btw did you give startx a try?
15:23<ed_debian>ml|, No I haven't gotten around to it yet. This is occupying my time pretty well
15:24<ml|>ok, gl :)
15:24<ed_debian>How much do you gain from it? Does GDM take up resources after you've logged in?
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15:28<ml|>i just prefer it to using gdm, and it does use more resources, but that should not matter if you have plenty of memory
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15:30<ml|>just give a try when you get a chance, you might like it over gdm
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15:34<ed_debian>I am planning on it just not today
15:35<ml|>i was just wondering btw
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15:39<shamanix>guys I have multiple wav files and I'd like to convert to mp3 using lame, and I'm too lazy to go hunting for a frontend, how could I do such a thing in bash
15:39<shamanix>without entering every single file manually of course
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15:41<adb>maybe (for i in $ , do ;done) ?
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15:43<enouf>sox should do that easily enough
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15:45<valdyn>shamanix: or just use jack ( not jackd )
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15:46<valdyn>err, jack was a ripper, nvm
15:46<locklace>i prefer john
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15:50<kashes>when ever I try to do 'aptitude update' , I get Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20090413-00:10] lenny Release.gpg
15:50<kashes>followed by such similar lines
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15:51<kashes>I am new to debian
15:51<adama>kashes: either put your CD in or remove that line from /etc/apt/sourced.list
15:51<kashes>can any one please help me out
15:51<adama> /etc/apt/sources.list
15:51<azeem>kashes: it's a warning
15:51<themill>kashes: Ign means "ignore". It's just telling you that you still have the CD in your sources.list.
15:51<adama>yeah you can ignore it
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15:52<kashes>ok so I will just remove this line from source.list
15:53<kashes>yup its working now
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15:53<jthomas>I am running Sid with 2.6.29-2-686 and I cannot seem to get VMware Workstation 26.5.0 installed, and the google results that I have found aren't clear at all. It seems that I cannot 'modprobe vmmon' but I don't have that listed at all; "m-a a-i vmware" seems to be an option but it fails to install. Anyone have ideas or tips for me?
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15:54<kashes>also I am finding problem in setting up my wifi connection. I made ethernet work on DHCP. cant do the same with wifi.
15:54<kashes>I am not even sure if the appropriate drivers are in place
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15:54<jthomas>sorry, I meant VMware Workstation 6.5.0
15:54<adb>jthomas: missing headers-2.6.29-2-686 ?
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15:55<jthomas>no, adb
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15:55<jthomas>i linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686
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15:56<Piet>is there an option to instruct aptitude, by the time you purge a package, to purge all packages which were installed automatically because of this package?
15:56<Piet>normally, they will be removed, not purged
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16:04<adb>jthomas: i get from "m-a a-i vmware" : vmware, what is vmware?
16:04<azeem>adb: =
16:04<azeem>jthomas: fails to install how?
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16:07<publico>alguna chica
16:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:27<kashes>I have switched from ubuntu and thus I am acustomed to tab completion in apt-get
16:28<kashes>I am unable to do so in debian
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16:28<kashes>any perticular reason?
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16:28<Ganneff>you dont have the bash completion stuff loaded, thats all
16:28<kashes>I did apt-get update too
16:29<kashes>Ganneff: how do I do that?
16:29<Ganneff>source etc/bash_completion in your bash startup script
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16:32<kashes>Ganneff: but in this case shouldnt tab competion work other wise too? like with cd, vim etc, which it is
16:33<kashes>I am able to do tab completion other than with apt-get/aptitude
16:33<Ganneff>you can do tab completion on files and dirs. but not on random programs arguments and stuff, i bet
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16:34<locklace>kashes: if you want a real completion system, switch to zsh
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16:35<kashes>Ganneff: tab on vi gives vi viewres vimdiff vino-preferences vidmode vigr vim.tiny vipw view vim vinagre visudo
16:35<kashes>I never used tab completion for arguments
16:35<Ganneff>kashes: now that are existing programs on your system. thats a thing bash can do without extra stuff
16:36<kashes>locklace: will give it a try if I cant make it work otherwise
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16:36<kashes>Ganneff: will try to twea bash startup scripts then
16:37<locklace>kashes: try it anyway. once you realise bash is a bloated version of zsh with a tenth the functionality you won't go back
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16:40<k1lumin4t1>both smbclient and komba display a shared host on my network, but smb4k doesnt
16:40<k1lumin4t1>any ideas?
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16:44<Chobo>I am using it possible to install lenny via floppy disk?
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16:45<Chobo>what does the net install disk mean?
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16:45<locklace>it means it gets the packages it needs at install time over the net
16:45<shamanix>other then the base system it installs everything from the net
16:46<chealer>locklace: what's real about zsh's completion system?
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16:46<locklace>chealer: man zshcompsys
16:47<kashes>Ganneff: I have uncommented those lines. do I need to restart my system for the change to take effect? (its not working till now)
16:47<locklace>the current bash completion system is essentially a partial copy of zsh's system
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16:48<dondelelcaro>kashes: just source /etc/bash_completion
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16:49<kashes>dondelelcaro: thanks
16:49<kashes>Ganneff: thanks
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16:51<chealer>locklace: I don't see a huge difference. at least nothing about the question
16:53<locklace>then you haven't made it through man zshcompsys
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16:54<chealer>locklace: of course I haven't
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17:02<Bunnyh_>is building my own package the only way to get SSL support for wine?
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17:05<kashes>I still cannot get wifi to work on my system
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17:05<kashes>I am following this
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17:06<kashes>I have done aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
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17:06<kashes>it was donw ithout any issues
17:06<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
17:06<kashes>what should I do next . Is their a way out using backports
17:07<shamanix>Bunnyh_: what app needs SSL, chances are you just need to copy a few dlls to system directory
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17:08<chealer>kashes: which Debian suite do you use?
17:08<Bunnyh_>I googled around, found some stuff about certificates (already added them to ca-certificates), but I also found out that wine doesn't seem to support ssl. At least the binary in /usr/lib/wine/wine.bin doesn't need any ssl libs.
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17:09<Bunnyh_>I tried to compile my own with --enable-openssl, but it seems to stop at some error which also seems common by google. I was just thinking, if there was some other way besides compiling custom packages?
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17:10<shamanix>Bunnyh_: thats wierd I tried 1 or 2 apps that use openssl and they worked flawlessly after installing openssl dlls to wine windows dir
17:10<Bunnyh_>OK, what dll's are you refering to?
17:11<shamanix>Bunnyh_: just a sec until I find the link
17:11<Bunnyh_>I haven't installed any additional stuff, just wine-utils, wine-bin, libwine and libwine-alsa
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17:11<shamanix>what version of wine do you have?
17:12<Bunnyh_>plus a tad over a hunderd libx-dev packages, just to try the compilation... :)
17:12<shamanix>ah, I use the latest 1.1.21 or something
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17:12<shamanix>from wines own repository
17:13<Bunnyh_>What am I supposed to do with that .exe file? Run it with wine?
17:13<shamanix>yeah and if it asks install to windows or windows/system32 or something
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17:13<shamanix>or the apps folder that asks for it
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17:15<chealer>kashes: oh, I'm guessing lenny. there is at least no official way. do you have any reason not to use the backport?
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17:19<rando_>I'm looking for help with PHP5 and lenny. Upgraded from etch and all my error reporting is gone on lenny even when set in the program source. What's up with this? anyone know?
17:20<k1lumin4t1>I can't get a Windows printer to print via samba/cups
17:20<k1lumin4t1>the log displays this: E [26/May/2009:16:38:10 -04-30] [Job 10] Connection failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
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17:21<shamanix>Bunnyh_: why botter with SSL and torrent? If they want you they will get you, bittorrent while a good idea, securitywise is a total failiure, SSL afaik is only used for secure trackers, not the data itself, and it won't hide your ip in any way
17:21<locklace>!fgi k1lumin4t1 cups-nt-status-access-denied
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17:22<dr|z3d>shamanix: Sure, encrypted torrent isn't the solution, but it ups the ante.
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17:22<Bunnyh_>Anyway, it's a requirement in some places
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17:24<shamanix>dr|z3d: 10% protection is still better then 0%, that is right
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17:26<kashes>chealer: I have absolutely no problem in using backport. and yes I have lenny
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17:26<chealer>kashes: then I'd try the backport
17:27<chealer>rando_: could you give an example?
17:27<kashes>chealer: what will be the procedure?
17:27<locklace>kashes: the firmware and a kernel version >= 2.6.27 are necessary and sufficient for iwlagn to work. just get a new kernel from backport, kernel snapshots, or use the current sid kernel package, it works fine
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17:28<kashes>locklace: the step for fetching a new kernel given here: . Will this be fine?
17:28<kashes>I am at the last step
17:28<rando_>chealer: sure, on etch have the settings error_reporting = E_ALL & E_STRICT set in php.ini for both apache and cli same on lenny.
17:28<chealer>kashes: quite similar to what's in that section, but you add the backport repository instead (which may already be there, probably disabled)
17:28<chealer>!tell kashes about bpo
17:28<rando_>chealer: on etch if there is something wrong with code in a require, you get an error, on lenny it's silent.
17:29<locklace>kashes: probably, haven't tried it. give it a go. or to get the sid kernel package, go to and pick your arch and download the .deb and install it with dpkg -i.
17:29<rando_>I even have error_reporting(E_ALL & E_STRICT); set in the code that executes and still lenny is quite.
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17:32<rando_>chealer: for example, I had a syntax error in the code I was require'ing, nothing on lenny, on etch it complains. If I run php -l <code> on lenny, I get errors, but no specifics, on etch I get syntax error on line xxxxx missing {
17:32<rando_>or something like that.
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17:32<rando_>when running php -l <code>
17:32<chealer>rando_: what do you get on both exactly
17:33<kashes>locklace: will try backport in case the solution given does not work. Time to reboot. :)
17:33<rando_>ok, just a sec....
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17:35<rando_>chealer: on ubuntu 8.04 (bascially etch, most of my etch systems are converted now to lenny!) I get: php -l tests/commonTestFuncs.php
17:35<rando_>Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '}' in tests/commonTestFuncs.php on line 56
17:35<rando_>chealer: on lenny it gives: php -l ../commonTestFuncs.php
17:35<rando_>Errors parsing ../commonTestFuncs.php
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17:53<themill>rando_: lenny's default config provides me with that error message so it's a local configuration problem. Perhaps you could pastebin the output of: php -r "phpinfo();" | grep error
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17:54<rando_>themill: ok, will do...
17:54<bja>I screwed cp what package do I need to reinstall to fix it ?
17:55<locklace>not even going to ask how you broke cp
17:55<bja>locklace: thx stupid things happens when you fool arround :(
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17:56<rando_>themill: thanks, the issue is in the error_reporting variable setting... lenny: 0 , ubuntu 6135... investigating...
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17:58<themill>rando_: "error_reporting = E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE" should be the default
17:59<rando_>themill: yes, noticing that... on lenny I have mine set to E_ALL & E_STRICT
17:59<themill>rando_: you want | not & there
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18:06<rando_>themill: thanks. I went back to the default and all is well. Must play with this some more later.
18:07<themill>rando_: excellent. Have fun with it!
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18:08<Bunnyh_>How can packets be sent on a LAN interface that doesn't have any routes using it, especially when there is a default route that should make packets use another interface?
18:09<Bunnyh_>That hasn't been happening before, it seems that utorrent running under wine causes those. Everything else is working as supposed, I'm just getting packets dropped by my sanity checking like this:
18:09<Bunnyh_>iptables OUTPUT DROP -- IN= OUT=br0 SRC= DST=
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18:11<Bunnyh_>It is sending packets on all interfaces, using the destination address that should make the packets use the default route, and the source address of each interface respectively. I didn't know that would even be possible with normal user privileges
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18:13<locklace>Bunnyh_: that's a multicast packet
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18:16<Bunnyh_>Oh, I guess disabling multicasting in the kernel isn't enough to stop programs trying to use it, then? I have rules only to silently not _forward_ multicast packets
18:17<locklace>forwarding is not the same as local generation, right
18:19<Bunnyh_>But what does the kernel option CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST do, if not enable/disable multicasting?
18:19<Bunnyh_>That is not enabled on my system
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18:24<locklace>Bunnyh_: IGMP support
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18:32<ed_debian>I can't figure out how to write a udev rule to run a program when my pmp is mounted. Here is my rule right now:
18:32<ed_debian>ACTION=="add|change", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{size}=="32194560", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/cowon-sync"
18:32<ed_debian>Any ideas?
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18:37<Yesu`away>i have a hd4870x2, and after installing and booting for the first time, I am getting an input out of range message on my monitor, how do I fix this?
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18:39<Yesu`away>is anyone here?
18:39<supaman>Yesu`away: try reconfiguring your xserver with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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18:40<Yesu>supaman, do i need to do that from a cmd line? if so, how can I reach it
18:40<Yesu>ctrl+alt+backspace does not return me to a cmd prompt :(
18:40<supaman>Yesu: are you in X at the moment?
18:40<Yesu>no, i am in windows :(
18:41<supaman>what happens when you boot into linux?
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18:41<supaman>is everyhing black or do you get a login with only text?
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18:41<Yesu>a lot of text scrolls up the screen showing that debian is booting
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18:41<supaman>and after that?
18:41<Yesu>and upon bringing up the desktop, screen flickers, then input out of range
18:42<Yesu>and yea, everythign turns blakc
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18:42<supaman>ok ... try there to issue ctrl-alt-F1 (or any key of F1, F2, F3, F4, F5 or F6)
18:42<supaman>that should take you to a text only console
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18:43<Yesu>then what after that?
18:43<Yesu>type what you suggested earlier?
18:43<supaman>Yesu: then issue the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and answere any question that is asked there.
18:44<Yesu>ok, cool, i'll give that a try, thanks for your help supaman
18:44<supaman>Yesu: good luck ..
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18:44<supaman>and if you don't succeed .. try using irrs to contact us on irc
18:44<bja>!beer supaman
18:44*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for supaman
18:44<supaman>Yesu: its an text only irc client for linux
18:44<Yesu>is that a text oriented irc without GI?
18:44<Yesu>ahh ok
18:45<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
18:45<Yesu>what's the command to retrieve that?
18:45<Yesu>i'm new to linux
18:45<supaman>thanks bja :)
18:45<Yesu>is it apt-get irrs?
18:45<locklace>dpkg: nodm
18:45<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console.
18:45<Yesu>is it sudo apt-get irrs?
18:45<supaman>Yesu: if it is not installed ... then it issue sudo aptitude install irssi
18:45<locklace>Yesu: if ctrl-alt-fn doesn't work, boot with init=/bin/bash, remount / rw and do the echo false thing above
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18:46<Yesu>gonna try, brb
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18:55<dutche>I downloaded the testing cd iso and I install it with no problems, but when lilo tries to load, it sends me the initramfs shell... Why?? It never happened with the install. I'm using LVM
18:57<locklace>it should tell you why. failing to find the root fs, for instance
18:57<locklace>but why are you even using lilo
18:57<locklace>and why don't you just use the lenny install cd
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19:03<dutche>locklace, it says "Mouting /dev/root on /root failed: No such file or directory"
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19:05<locklace>then the initrd lvm setup is hosed
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19:05<dutche>its something I could done wrong in partitioning?
19:05<dpkg>broken, busted, kaput
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19:06<streuner>!factinfo hosed
19:06<dpkg>hosed -- created by greycat <> at Tue Apr 30 15:51:00 2002 (2583 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by ml|, 24s ago.
19:06<locklace>probably not, but 1, you shouldn't be using lilo, and 2, you should be using a lenny installer
19:07<dutche>ok, I'll use lenny....thanks for the help locklace
19:07<locklace>and also don't put your root partition on lvm
19:07<locklace>once you get lenny installed, you can easily upgrade to testing
19:07<streuner>dpkg, hosed =~ s/kaput/kaputt/
19:07<dpkg>streuner: OK
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19:09<themill>streuner: only one t in English though.
19:09<ed_debian>When I make a udev rule "KERNEL=sd*, RUN+="myscript" and then plug in my usb drive. udev avoids the rule by changing the device to sdc
19:09<streuner>themill, well, i thought greycat used an german term :-)
19:09<ed_debian>so if I put KERNEL=="sdc" it would mount it as /dev/sdd
19:09<themill>streuner: :)
19:09<streuner>dpkg, hosed =~ s/kaputt/kaput/
19:09<dpkg>streuner: OK
19:10<ed_debian>how about that? It doesn't matter what letter I put there, udev avoids it
19:10<bja>streuner: but it looks better in german
19:11<ml|>yeah german looks better
19:11<bja>streuner: Please do the honors :)
19:13<themill>(it is, of course a German word that's been imported into English or possibly French) </ot>
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19:16<bja>themill: être capot c'est une otro chose
19:16<bja>themill: btw it still looks better in German je je
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19:23<enouf>spraken de deutschbag?
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19:27<bja>enouf: Thats not german its dutch?
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19:47<shamanix>awfully quite in here
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19:51<fsateler>is there any util that does a similar thing as dcop (the program, not the protocol) used to do in KDE 4, but for KDE 4 (ie, dbus)?
19:53<streuner>!info dcop
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19:58<enouf>dcop sucks ass
19:58<enouf>and so does kde
19:59<fsateler>enouf: no it doesn't
19:59<enouf>and most likely gnome - all DEs suck
19:59<enouf>fsateler: you're wrong as usual .. it seems
19:59<fsateler>as usual?
19:59<enouf>just trying to be nice
19:59<streuner>RAM isnt a big issue today
20:00<enouf>bloat is
20:00<streuner>its cheap
20:00<enouf>locking up CPUs has nothing to do with amounts of ram
20:00<streuner>well, my laptop running a 1.6 MHz Celeron
20:00<streuner>but 2 GB RAM
20:01<themill>enouf: if you can't answer the question, just leave it.
20:01<themill>fsateler: there's a dbus-send utility that you can use
20:01<enouf>themill: i'll do what i want - thanks
20:01<shamanix>Bloatware must die
20:02<shamanix>luckily you can make linux as lean or as bloated as you disire :-)
20:02<fsateler>themill: thanks, it seems to be part of what I want, it sends the messages
20:02<enouf>shamanix: one can MORE easily cutomize windows98
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20:02<fsateler>but it doesn't do service discovery
20:03<enouf>fsateler: i can tell you this; from various ps/pstree/pstree.x11 outputs; there
20:03<enouf>stupid keyboard
20:04<enouf>there's two dbus-daemons, one is root launched, one is user launched, the other is a user-launchaed dbus-launch
20:05<enouf>fsateler: and all three suck shit
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20:08<themill>fsateler: not quite as easy as with dcop, but still possible I think: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames
20:10<fsateler>themill: thanks, that's a bit closer
20:11<fsateler>themill: is it possible to find out which methods each service provides?
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20:12<themill>fsateler: umm.... I know little about dbus as I've never used it much. (dcop I use a lot though, so I'm going to have to work this out sooner or later, aren't I!)
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20:15<themill>fsateler: perhaps try out qdbusviewer from qt4-dev-tools. Seems to be a replacement for kdcop.
20:16<fsateler>themill: I was just going to report finding it
20:17<fsateler>at least it means it's possible. All that is left is make a shell completion for dbus-launch
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20:18<themill>fsateler: yeah. some shell completion would be nice in all this. But I think you'll have to do some xml parsing in the shell which isn't pretty by any stretch of the imagination
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20:19<fsateler>themill: definitely. But it should be possible to write a small program that puts a more appropriate output that the completion code can call and
20:20<xemacs4321>how can i boot an iso dirctly from hard drive e.g. ubuntu install disk ?
20:20<themill>fsateler: XMLStarlet might be where you start...
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20:22<younes>enfin bon soire
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20:22<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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20:25<fsateler>themill: hmm, it seems that finding object paths is not as easy
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20:36<fsateler>i found it: just send an Introspect msg to / and you get the paths
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20:45<walldo>what up
20:46<stui>Just trying this out
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20:58<TongueOfColicab>hi how are you people from debian chan
20:59<TongueOfColicab>have a prob with debian with it is starting
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20:59<teratoma>need more details
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20:59<TongueOfColicab>a lot of messages of this king appears "(somenumber) Buffer I/O error, dev sr0 sector (somenumberagain)
21:00<TongueOfColicab>a lot of messages of this king appears "(somenumber) Buffer I/O error, dev sr0 logical block (somenumberagain)
21:00<TongueOfColicab>lots of them
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21:00<teratoma>sounds like your disk drive is broken
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21:01<caletronic>sr0. Are you trying to boot from a CD?
21:01<TongueOfColicab>then it cant be fixed by some software way? (commands)
21:02<TongueOfColicab>my hdd is new
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21:02<TongueOfColicab>i've less than one month
21:02<TongueOfColicab>to have it
21:03<TongueOfColicab>however debian starts fine
21:03<Cypriot>hi all
21:04<TongueOfColicab>i just think that prob may be a prob later
21:05<shamanix>TongueOfColicab what is the prob with you hard?
21:05<TongueOfColicab> a lot of messages of this king appears "(somenumber) Buffer I/O error, dev sr0 sector (somenumberagain)
21:05<TongueOfColicab>a lot of messages of this king appears "(somenumber) Buffer I/O error, dev sr0 logical block (somenumberagain)
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21:06<TongueOfColicab> lots of them when debian is starting
21:06<TongueOfColicab>sorry, "of this kind"
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21:09<shamanix>can you disable harddrive cache in bios and see if it gives this error?
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21:09<Txt_file>How can I print the output of ./configure to a file? With '> std.out 2>&1 std.err' it says
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21:10<TongueOfColicab>ill search in bios that option right now, if i can find it ill disable it
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21:12<Yesu>does anyone here run any of the newer ati vid cards on debian stable?
21:13<Txt_file>Yesu: can you be more specitic with newer cards?
21:13<Txt_file>or which driver
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21:14<aardvarX>i want to - i want to get one of those radeon 4650's - cheep for like $64
21:15<Yesu>Txt_file: I am running a HD4870x2, but nothing in my xorg has been configured for it
21:15<Yesu>is there a driver for it i can install through cmd prompt?
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21:17<Txt_file>yesu: sure ... the readeon or radeonhd drivers should do it
21:18<Txt_file>!tell yesu about radeon
21:18<shamanix>are the new ati drivers as bad as the old ones?
21:20<Yesu>Txt_file: Is there an apt-get cmd i need to type in order to retreive the proper drives through cmd prompt?
21:21<dr|z3d>Yesu: Come again?
21:21<Yesu>can i retrieve the proper drivers for my 4870x2 through the apt-get command
21:21<dr|z3d>What are you wanting to do? ls -a ?
21:22<Yesu>i want to get the right drivers for my 4870x2, and get xorg configured correctly so I can get a Desktop Enviroment to work correctly
21:22<dr|z3d>Oh. Drivers.
21:22<dr|z3d>Now we're getting somewhere.
21:22<Txt_file>'aptitude install xorg-video-radeon'
21:22<dr|z3d>4870-2. Is that an ATI card?
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21:22<dr|z3d>Or R2D2's twin sister?
21:23<Txt_file>no it is two cards :D
21:23<Yesu>Txt_file: ok, after that is their a command I need to run in order to configure xorg.conf?
21:23<dr|z3d>Ok, what Txt_file said.
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21:23<Txt_file>yesu: should work without any other cmd
21:23<Yesu>i'm giong to give it a try, i'll brb
21:24<Txt_file>eventually you must configure your xorg.conf
21:24<Yesu>in order to get the DE to work?
21:24<dr|z3d>Yesu: If you're running a DE, gRandr is helpful.
21:24<Yesu>gRander, what is that z3d?
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21:25<Txt_file>dr|z3d: ieh gnome ... xrandr is more then enough :D
21:25<dr|z3d>Gui to configure your screen(s). Essentially.
21:25<Yesu>oh ok.
21:25<Yesu>ok, i'll brb
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21:26<dr|z3d>Txt_file: He's got 2 cards, I'm assuming maybe multiple screens.. in which casem gRandr, no? Or did I miss a trick? :)
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21:26<Txt_file>the 4780X2 is one card with 2chips
21:26<mysoogal>hi guys can someone please test if video playing on vlc on my site using wordpress
21:27<mysoogal>someone please help me !
21:27<dr|z3d>Ah, I misread your comment as his.
21:27<mysoogal>has anybody got the vlc mozilla plugin ? on firefox ?
21:27<Txt_file>mysoogal: looks not very right in my opera10alpha
21:27<dr|z3d>So, assuming multi-screen, anyways as a supposition, grandr's a better tool or not, in your view?
21:27<mysoogal>please somebody ! test the bleach 219 post
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21:28<mysoogal>Txt sorry i dont think it will work on opera :(
21:28<mysoogal>im not sure if the vlc javascript swfobject work good on opera
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21:28<mysoogal>only IE and firefox seem to be ok
21:28<mysoogal>can you please test on firefox post bleach 219 and click play
21:29<mysoogal>are you able to stream the video clip
21:30<mysoogal>U_U someone help me on this
21:30<Txt_file>dr|z3d: I have a nvidia-card an the propritary driver and it has its own screen-config tool which is nice cause I can connect and disconnect monitors and use them w/o XServer restart
21:31<Txt_file>but the most randr-tools are fine. tried arandr and the cmdline xrandr and both worked fine for me
21:31<dr|z3d>Txt_file: Linux has come a long way. :)
21:31<mysoogal>U_U anybody can help me only like 2 mints
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21:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:32<Txt_file>mysoogal: opera has some problems with some flashs but for the hard stuff I have iceweasel without any plugin
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21:32<Txt_file>expect flash
21:32<mysoogal>:( i hate flash
21:33<dr|z3d>mysoogal: Wrong channel, I think. You're running Windows, right?
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21:33<mysoogal>im on ubuntu
21:33*dr|z3d is confused.
21:33<shamanix>never had any probs with flash in opera, however I'm using the propriatary one
21:33<dr|z3d>You didn't say that.
21:34*dr|z3d winks.
21:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:34<mysoogal>right now im testing the vlc plugin on wordpress theme called cssgallery i have integrated vlc plugin on this theme and i like to know if users on linux with the vlc plugin are able to play the video
21:34<mysoogal>that is all U_U
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21:35<dr|z3d>mysoogal: Apologies for assuming you were using Windows. My bad.
21:35<Txt_file>shamanix: I have also propritary flash but please try southparkstudios. this is one site that I can't view with opera
21:35<mysoogal>no problems dude
21:36<mysoogal>anybody on ubuntu ? with vlc plugin for firefox ? can help me please
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21:36<dr|z3d>I get a pavlovian kneejerk brainfart moment everytime i see the letters I & E conjoined :/
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21:36<ml|>mysoogal: #ubuntu on freenode
21:36<shamanix>I & E, doesnt that stand for something like Internet Sexploiter
21:37<mysoogal>nobody here on ubuntu :(
21:37<dr|z3d>mysoogal: or #firefox on mozilla's network.
21:37<dr|z3d>Interfect Explodus.
21:37<mysoogal>nobody on ff channel :O
21:38<dr|z3d>Probably. But it's channel policy to not chat ubuntu.
21:38<mysoogal>what here ?
21:38<dr|z3d>Rabid bunch, these Debian dudes. *wink*
21:38<dr|z3d>Mention Ubuntu 3 times in a row and your nads may be removed.
21:38<mysoogal>well i normally dont call it ubuntu, i call it da bunto
21:38<shamanix>Txt_file: southparkstudios seems to work ok for now on my pc
21:39<ml|>mysoogal:please ask in #ubuntu on freenode
21:39<dr|z3d>mysoogal: Call it Lenny and you'll do fine in here :)
21:39<ml|>dr|z3d: no yell him that :P
21:39<mysoogal>u guys dont like ubuntu ? why is that
21:40<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:40<Txt_file>shamanix: the site is working but I can't watch the episode
21:40*dr|z3d chuckles.
21:40<dr|z3d>ml|: Me bad.
21:40<ml|>mysoogal: read that ^
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21:41<mysoogal>Txt, you have to click play video, only post bleach 219 has that below the vlc media player
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21:41<ml|>dr|z3d: it's cool but ya know better!
21:41<mysoogal>well since im here, does Deb has same vlc plugin as in ubuntu ?
21:41<Txt_file>there is no button
21:41<dr|z3d>No. Different packagers.
21:42<dr|z3d>Subtle differences.
21:42<mysoogal>look for this codePlay video
21:42<mysoogal>its the vlc javascript onclick
21:42<sney>judd: mozilla-plugin-vlc
21:42<judd>sney: Error: "mozilla-plugin-vlc" is not a valid command.
21:42<sney>man what was the thing for it to display the package
21:43<ml|>mysoogal:hence you please ask in #ubuntu on freenode
21:43<sney>yeah, or ##linux on freenode
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21:43<mysoogal>im not only asking for ubuntu im also asking about it for deb system to
21:43<mysoogal>since you have vlc player :O
21:44<ml|>judd: versions mozilla-plugin-vlc
21:44<judd>ml|: mozilla-plugin-vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 0.9.8a-3 sid: 0.9.9a-2
21:44<shamanix>Txt_file: the play button just appeared and it looks like it'l play, I did wait a shitload of time for it though
21:44<dr|z3d>mysoogal: Here's a tip. apt-cache search vlc
21:44<mysoogal>Jud, it should work if your deb has this package with vlc mozilla-plugin-vlc
21:44<ml|>sney: see it now?
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21:44<mysoogal>so your able to watch the clip ?shamanix
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21:45<mysoogal>thanks can you tell me which operating system u are on
21:45<mysoogal>deb or something else
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21:45<sney>mysoogal: also, there is no firefox on debian, it's called iceweasel :)
21:46<shamanix>debian lenny 5.0.1
21:46<Txt_file>shamanix: ... I don't get more than this
21:46<mysoogal>really :O i never use deb really
21:46<mysoogal>is it better then Ub :O
21:46<sney>it is more flexible
21:46<sney>since it is designed as a multipurpose OS, not just a one track mind deskop "hey my mom could use this" thing
21:46<mysoogal>for developments ?
21:47<dr|z3d>mysoogal: Ubuntu is Debian for Dummies. Essentially. Some would say, anyways.
21:47<mysoogal>these the ISO of deb have wubi ?
21:47<shamanix>i did have to wait like half a minute for it to start, but that could be because I'm on a 768k connection
21:47<dr|z3d>Ubuntu is more accessible, and shields the user from a lot of lower level tinkering.
21:48<mysoogal>shamanix, thanks the mov is from apple ! so should be fast but its probably your connection :p thanks for your help i know it works now on deb system
21:48<dr|z3d>Think of Ubuntu as a consumer os, as close as it comes in Linux to a mom & pop os, versus Debian which is more an enthusiast OS.
21:48<mysoogal>dr, i see but ubuntu i find it very interesting but not version 9.04
21:48<mysoogal>er i see, major geeky type of system :O
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21:49<dr|z3d>Ubuntu takes some of the pain, and some of the control out of Debian.
21:49<Txt_file>sham: hmmm ... I think this could be a problem with flash and opera and my debian\sid\amd64
21:49<shamanix>mysoogal give Mint a try its basically Ubuntu+Codecs+Extras
21:49<dr|z3d>The fundamentals are the same, the differences are subtle.
21:49<mysoogal>flash should be replaced with totem player
21:50<dr|z3d>Bah. Ubuntu's fine.
21:50<shamanix>Txt_file: could be the 64bit, I have a good ol' AMD Barton
21:50<mysoogal>i wanted to try that suse thing but its GB in size to download ISO
21:50<mysoogal>so damm large
21:50<dr|z3d>And all the codecs are there. You just need to know where to look.
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21:50<mysoogal>you mean the application coders hang around these channels and use deb all the time :O
21:50<Txt_file>yeah yeah yeah ... good old time
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21:51<mysoogal>do you also have greecmonkey support in your deb browser ?
21:51<dr|z3d>mysoogal: At your pricepoint, Ubuntu is probably best. And you will find all the help you need on irc:// There's normally over 1000 guys there all ready to talk Ubuntu. If ypu haven't been there, you're missing out.
21:51<shamanix>bah just get Archlinux ;-) afterwards pretty much anything seems easy
21:52<mysoogal>i've been there but they are so slow :O
21:52<mysoogal>Archlinux i read all prompt type of system
21:52<dr|z3d>mysoogal: IceWeasel is Firefox in all but name (and trademarks). Runs the same way Firefox does.
21:52<Txt_file>so but now I want to post my question again
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21:52<Txt_file>How can I print the output of ./configure to a file? With '> std.out 2>&1 std.err' it says
21:53<mysoogal>well if your interested, you can check out this greecmonkey script called YouTotem which can replace youtube swf player with totem embeded player, flash is very slow in full screen
21:55<mysoogal>thanks everybody for ur help goodbye ^_^ back to wordpress coding
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21:56<shamanix>Txt_file: looks like it totally ignores the > simbol or something
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21:57<Txt_file>yeah but it is the only way I know for print output to file
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22:00<ml|>arrrgg power around here is very flaky
22:02<shamanix>damn this is harder to google then it sounds, can't find anything useful, and I'd like to know this as well
22:03<shamanix>Txt_file's problem
22:04<Txt_file>ml|: this: How can I print the output of ./configure to a file? With '> std.out 2>&1 std.err' it says
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22:04<Txt_file>nearby .. it is rtorrent what I want to compile
22:06<ml|>judd: versions rtorrent
22:06<judd>ml|: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.2 squeeze: 0.7.9-2.2 sid: 0.8.4+tit-4
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22:07<Yesu> f
22:07<Txt_file>my vps has etch and only 80MB RAM but I want to run a torrentserver
22:07<Yesu>for some reason, the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd driver will not install with the aptitude install command
22:08<Yesu>any reason why?
22:08<Txt_file>if you can give us the output we could take a look
22:08<Txt_file>without it is very difficult
22:09<dr|z3d>aptitude should tell you why.
22:09<dr|z3d>read your console output.
22:09<Yesu>hrm, ok.
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22:10<ml|>Txt_file: you can try the deb's from the link, those are form rtorrent maintainer
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22:11<dr|z3d>Txt_file: Idea. Get a console plugin for gedit.
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22:12<Txt_file>gedit ... has that not damn many gnome-deps? ... but this could work
22:13<dr|z3d>It's probably got a few gtk deps, sure.
22:13<dr|z3d>"Help me Ob1 Kenobe, you're my only hope"
22:13<dr|z3d>Needs must and all that. :)
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22:13<dr|z3d>There may well be a more uber leet know, but the jury's our on what that might be. :)
22:14<Txt_file>gtk-deps are ok ... gnome-deps not
22:14<Txt_file>I have lxde running
22:14<dr|z3d>apt-cache depends gedit
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22:17<Txt_file>'aptitude install gedit-plugins' would need 38MB. Too much for this problem
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22:18<ml|>Txt_file: geany
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22:23<Txt_file>damn this can't become something ... rtorrent depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1.
22:24<Txt_file>I think I should go to bed and think in a few houres again about all the stuff
22:25<Txt_file>so 'til later
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22:28<Yesu>ok, i got the drivers installed, i need help to configure my xorg.conf now
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22:29<Yesu>is there a good wiki for xorg configs for ati radeon hd cards?
22:30<shamanix>try man nameofdriverpackagehere maybe?
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22:30<shamanix>try man xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd or man radeonhd or something like that
22:31-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
22:31<Yesu>ahh ok
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22:34<wohdfoh>need help with GRUB
22:34<wohdfoh>so i have linux on hdb but in grub its referred to as hd0, 0
22:34<wohdfoh>so what would hda be?
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23:12<ed_debian>I can't figure out how to get udev to call a script
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23:15<sun>hi anyone know how to rip a super-audio cd (sacd?) i have a dvd drive...
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23:17<dr|z3d>sun: apt-cache search audio ripper
23:18<dr|z3d>That's a good place to look, if no one has any specific recommendations.
23:19<dr|z3d>I hear google's also handy. :)
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23:28<wildweasel>I'm trying to do something partially silly with my linux desktop - I'm trying to set up a Winamp Remote-style streaming media server that I can access over internet
23:28<wildweasel>I was pointed toward Subsonic on another channel but it doesn't appear to do anything, and I have no idea why
23:28<shamanix>icecast maybe?
23:28<xemacs4321>wildweasel, vlc !
23:29<wildweasel>Specifically I would like to be able to browse my MP3 folder remotely and play specific tracks at will
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23:29<wildweasel>I actually have tried SSH - didn't quite work out...
23:29<wildweasel>it ended up just playing music through the host machine and outputting to the client's terminal
23:30<dr|z3d>wildweasel: You could do that with some php and mysql.
23:30<shamanix>winamp using wine?
23:30<dr|z3d>Quite a few mediaservers out there.
23:30<ed_debian>All of the sudden I cannot use rhythmbox! It simply does nothing (freezes) when I try to play any song in my library.
23:30<wildweasel>I'm serving from a linux system but I need to be able to connect through internet using a Win2K-powered laptop
23:31<dr|z3d>shamanix: shoutcast servers are mostly *nix.
23:31<ed_debian>totem also freezes ?
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23:32<ed_debian>If I run from terminal there is no ouput for totem or rhythmbox
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23:32<ml|>ed_debian: do they play with something else
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23:33<ed_debian>What should I try that plays .ogg files?
23:33<wildweasel>ed_debian: if mplayer doesn't do it, nothing can
23:33<ml|>mplayer or vlc
23:33<wildweasel>excepting vlc, heh =P
23:33<shamanix>another vote for mplayer
23:33<ml|>i prefer mplayer
23:34<ml|>but moc ftw :)
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23:35<ml|>dpkg info moc
23:35<dpkg>moc: (ncurses based console audio player), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:2.5.0~alpha3+svn20080629-2 (sid), Packaged size: 209 kB, Installed size: 588 kB
23:36<ed_debian>mplayer is sptting a bunch of errors. lol, alsa not found, aRts not found...
23:36<ed_debian>I probably need those huh
23:36<xemacs4321>pulse audio, or jack may be able to do what you want also
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23:37<shamanix>alsa not found, that sounds nasty
23:37<ed_debian>well since I'm at this crossroads now... Why does linux have so many different sounds mechanisms? What are the advantages of some over others?
23:37<xemacs4321>no single one is clearly best for all apps .....................
23:37<ed_debian>There is JACK, alsa, aRts are there any I'm missing?
23:38<shamanix>some are drivers, some are apis, some are sound servers, some are god knows what
23:38<ed_debian>mhmm ic
23:39<xemacs4321>esound worked better then alsa for a long time
23:39<ml|>i think pulse is suppose to to a way with esound
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23:40<shamanix>ed_debian: ALSA, OSS, esound, JACK, aRts, OpenAL, SDL, etc can't remember any more
23:42<ml|>ed_debian: but what did you do recently that sound is not working?
23:42<ml|>or is it just ogg
23:43<ed_debian>idk but i did restart today
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23:43<shamanix>if it happens with ogg only its prob some dependency issue
23:43<ml|>was it working before?
23:44<ed_debian>hang i'm on the phone
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23:58<wohdfoh>after editing the grub menu.lst can i just reboot or do i need to update something else?
23:59<dondelelcaro>wohdfoh: you can just reboot.
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23:59<dondelelcaro>wohdfoh: but please don't repeat your question in different channels.
23:59<wohdfoh>you're on both networks, eh?
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