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00:01<ed_debian>scared myself for a second there! My /dev was majory messed up! I logged in and had no sound card at all! using the gnome-panel at all froze the system (shit was bad). I went to that udev rule I was working on and commented the entire thing. Restarted and now everything is fine :)
00:01<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
00:02<ml|>so everything back to nornal?
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00:02<ed_debian>Yeah I fixedit
00:03<ml|>i guess messing udev is not easy then
00:03<ed_debian>lol no
00:03<ed_debian>I think that I had a syntax error so things went really bad really quick
00:04<ml|>atleast you know what doesn't work ;)
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00:04<ml|>back to the drawing board eh?
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00:05<ed_debian>yeah. I can't get that rule to run my script IDK why!
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00:05<ed_debian>RUN+="/usr/local/bin/cowon-sync" !
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01:22<c>hi.How to tune debian anonproxy
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01:27<aardvarX>does that have something to do with privoxy? i don't think you need to do anything other than change proxy settings.
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01:28<aardvarX>or use something like torbutton with tor(the onion router).
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01:30<shamanix>yes you have to change proxy settings and privoxy has to be running
01:31<gsimmons>c: WRT anon-proxy: man 8 mix; editor /etc/default/anon-proxy
01:31<jm_>alternatively use automatic proxy config (PAC)
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01:41<c> who know safe dns servers
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01:44<dondelelcaro>c: what's your question?
01:44<c>i need safe independend dns
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01:45<k1lumin4t1> a Windows Game CD (Max Payne 2) won't mount in Debian GNU/Linux
01:45<k1lumin4t1>I mean
01:45<k1lumin4t1>I get it in the cd-tray but it doesn't pop-up at the desktop environment
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01:48<dondelelcaro>c: you mean someone who provides dns services? it's not really on topic here...
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01:49<shamanix>here's the link
01:49<sney>opendns's resolution is godly but their search thing that comes up sometimes is obnoxious
01:50<ml|>yeah search not so good
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01:52<c>i test opendns, fast ,safe-?
01:53<sney>it's like, yeah, I really wanted to search for "debian org"
01:53<ml|>c: yes
01:53<shamanix>dont know if this is any good I just found this by accident
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01:58<sney>I think I broke debian
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01:58*sney tinkers
01:59<ml|>!win sney
01:59<dpkg>Congratulations, sney! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
01:59<sney>I tell it to remove openoffice and it tells me it's gonna remove some of openoffice, and upgrade the rest
02:00<sney>oh, there we go, I found the one that takes all of them with it
02:00<ml|>shamanix: that looks interesting
02:00<shamanix>even cooler from the looks of it:
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02:05<c>all thanks,gb!
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02:06<deniz>wats the defautl lenny time interval at which the hard drive indexes a file?
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02:07<roumba>i'm trying without success to make working irssi-otr (installed from aptitude), but it seems that the quickstart doesn't work for me (debian sid, amd64), anyone with some experience with this plugin?
02:08<amphi>deniz: for the locate db? 24 hours; cron runs updatedb at 05:30 or so
02:09<roumba>deniz: you can install anacron ("run cron scripts when it can") if your machine isn't running 24/7
02:09<deniz>amphi, u mean updatedb?
02:09<jm_>roumba: irssi-tor perhaps?
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02:10<dpkg>WHAT. There's an h in there. If you say wat, people laugh. See also wot. a Bhuddist temple
02:10<roumba>jm_: irssi-plugin-otr is the exact name of this nice debian package (but the real project name is irssi-otr)
02:11<sney>hmm dpkg spelled buddhist wrong
02:11<jm_>roumba: nothing useful in /usr/share/doc/irssi-plugin-otr/README ?
02:11<amphi>sney: heh, true enough
02:12<roumba>jm_: it's the same doc everywhere (in :usr/share/doc and accessible with /otr help) : a quickstart and an outline of the commands
02:12<deniz>amphi, is it updatedb though?
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02:13<roumba>deniz: i think so
02:13<roumba>deniz: though with mlocate it's updatedb.mlocate (can't say with other members of the updatedb family)
02:13<sney>updatedb updates the slocate database.
02:14<kenyon>grep -R updatedb /etc/cron*
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02:14<deniz>roumba, ok so it's for sure every 24 hours because ubuntu has it ever few minutes or something, id actually prefer the debian way and if i needed immediate indexing, i could always do sudo updatedb, right?
02:14<roumba>deniz: i think so
02:14<kenyon>that's something different that ubuntu does
02:14<roumba>(i think a lot lately)
02:15<deniz>kenyon, what's that?
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02:15<kenyon>not sure what the program is called, but there is a similar one called beagle
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02:15<kenyon>I'll find it
02:16<deniz>kenyon, i found it thanks
02:16<kenyon>oh, is it beagle?
02:16<dmoerner>i think you mean tracker
02:17<deniz>did i just inbstall beagle for nothing? lol
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02:19<roumba>oh and the cli doesn't depend on gnome, cool
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02:55<FalseChicken>is there any way to get a program that is ment to run in a shell to execute by double clicking on it?
02:57<FalseChicken>quiet channel
02:58<jm_>why is it meant to run in a shell?
02:59<shamanix>is it a shell script?
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02:59<amphi>FalseChicken: yes; 'xterm -e top' for example
03:00<FalseChicken>no, just a binary file. like nmap for example
03:00<avu>what would nmap do if you double click it?
03:00<avu>it needs arguments for useful operation
03:01<jm_>use the above method if you want to look at its output (add a read after the first command), otherwise it can be started just like anything else
03:01<FalseChicken>ok thanks
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03:26<FalseChicken>how do i set a program to execute no matter what dir im in? Like how g++ can be executed
03:26<RattusRattus>good morning all. can somone spare me a little while to talk me through compiling a kernel, and adding this image to grub? (I need to make a minor mod to the IDE subsystem for a test, which I can easily do, but can't it's been so long since I last rolled a kernel)
03:26<FalseChicken>I compiled my program now I would like to be able to execute it anywhere
03:26<jm_>FalseChicken: it has to be in your path
03:26<RattusRattus>FalseChicken: add its directory to the path
03:27<jm_>RattusRattus: use make-kpkg
03:27<FalseChicken>? new to linux
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03:27<RattusRattus>jm thx
03:27<azeem_>FalseChicken: why do you compile it? What program is this?
03:27<FalseChicken>just a simple text app. learning c++ just a little test
03:28<azeem_>if you learn C++, you might want to learn Unix along the way
03:28<FalseChicken>just wondering how i can do that. I know that in windows if a program is in your system32 folder it can be executed anywhere
03:28<FalseChicken>and im gonna do that too
03:28<jm_>echo $PATH
03:29<jm_>that's where it has to be, of course you can add your own directories to PATH
03:29<FalseChicken>ok. how do i add directories?
03:29<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
03:30<FalseChicken>not needed but nice to know
03:30<jm_>it's a shell variable, so you set it the same way as something else - read the above
03:30<jm_>for example: export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin would add ~/bin to your PATH
03:30<FalseChicken>ok thanks
03:30<jm_>best done in shell startup files obviously
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04:25<FalseChicken>is there a way I can make only one window open when i open folders instead of it opening a new window?
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04:37<RattusRattus>jm_: are you still about?
04:37<jm_>RattusRattus: yup
04:37<RattusRattus>ok still trying to build my kernel. and failing. :-(
04:38<RattusRattus>error make[1] Enetring directory '/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26/Documentation/lguest'
04:39<RattusRattus>lguest.c error zlib.h: no such file or directory
04:39<jm_>!find zlib.h
04:39<RattusRattus>ok so I am missing some files :-(
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04:40<dpkg>Debian Search of 'zlib.h' (7 of 40): (/usr/include/zlib.h) in libdevel/zlib1g-dev ;; (/usr/include/lzlib.h) in libdevel/liblz-dev ;; (/usr/include/bzlib.h) in libdevel/libbz2-dev ;; (/usr/include/Poco/zlib.h) in libdevel/libpoco-dev ;; (/usr/include/lsb3/zlib.h) in devel/lsb-build-base3 ;; (/usr/include/sword/zlib.h) in libdevel/libsword-dev ;; (/usr/include/nifti/znzlib.h) in libdevel/libnifti1-dev.
04:40<jm_>zlib1g-dev: /usr/include/zlib.h
04:40<locklace>RattusRattus: you broke it
04:40<jm_>install that
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04:43<RattusRattus>humm. I had installed kernel-package, linux-tree-2.6.26 (and the usulal build-essential) am supprised that it wasn't part of that lot
04:45<jm_>build depends are handled by source packages
04:46<RattusRattus>so what package should I be installing (just zlib?)
04:46<jm_>zlib1g-dev for now
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04:46<sylar>say, if I accidentally lvreduce, will lvextend fix it?
04:47<sylar>or is the FS toasted
04:47<gsimmons>sylar: The latter. See lvreduce's man page.
04:47<Supaplex>!lart sleep deprivation
04:47*dpkg chops sleep deprivation in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
04:47<Supaplex>screw chopping it. MINCE IT to BITS!
04:47<locklace>!coffee Supaplex
04:47*dpkg decants a fine brew of organic Peruvian for Supaplex, courtesy of locklace
04:47<sylar>god damn resize2fs
04:48<Supaplex>I'm immune to caffination now.
04:48<sylar>instead of resizing it gives the please check your fs message
04:48<RattusRattus>jm_: ok re-compiling
04:48<sylar>by the time I finish to check the fs
04:48<sylar>I lvreduce
04:48<sylar>without a resize2fs
04:49<sylar>gsimmons, man pages could be too harsh
04:49<Supaplex>operator error at local host
04:49<locklace>!lose sylar
04:49<dpkg>sylar: You Lose.
04:50<locklace>i guess the ubuntu people will have to put a wrapper around lvreduce to prevent people from hurting themselves (
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04:51<sylar>locklace, it doesn't say what happens in my case
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04:52<Supaplex>sylar: today's word is FUBAR.
04:53<Supaplex>sylar: if you can pray, and you're lucky, restore the size of your lvreduce labotamy, and see if it magically comes back.
04:53<RattusRattus>jm_: W00t - built kernel. ok just gonna copy magic files to /boot and updatye grub. thanks
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04:53<jm_>RattusRattus: did you build a deb?
04:53<sylar>Supaplex, i did lvextend to the max
04:54<sylar>and lets see
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04:55<locklace>RattusRattus: if you build with make-kpkg and install the resulting .deb with dpkg -i it will install the kernel and update the bootloader for you
04:55<shiznatix_>Hello, I have a disk that is pretty dead and am trying to back it up to an identical disk that is empty and unformatted yet. I was wondering if anyone could point me to where I could start to know what I need to do, I am in knoppix 5.1.1 right now
04:55<jm_>mount old one ro, cp to a new one
04:55<locklace>shiznatix_: i told you yesterday, ddrescue
04:56<RattusRattus>locklace: yep just found that out!
04:56<shiznatix_>locklace, yes you did but I don't know where to being with this
04:56<locklace>shiznatix_: "man ddrescue"?
04:56<shiznatix_>locklace, "no entry found for dd_rescue"
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04:57<locklace>the gnu people like to put most of the useful things in info instead of man
04:59<jm_>ddrescue: /usr/share/man/man1/dd_rescue.1.gz
04:59<jm_>ahh wait, it's knoppix
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05:00<shiznatix_>roger that. The next problem I have is that I don't know which HD is which. I have "/dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb" but how do I know which is the crap HD and which is the brand new one?
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05:01<jm_>my guess is sdb is new one since it has no partitions
05:01<jm_>but double verify it
05:01<shiznatix_>jm_, how do I double verify it?
05:01<jm_>i.e. check SMART power on hours attribute
05:01<jm_>and so on
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05:02<shiznatix_>I don't quite know what you mean there
05:02<jm_>smartctl -a /dev/sda ; smartctl -a /dev/sdb
05:02<prahal_>hi . Is there an applet where one could drag n drop documents, links, etc to have a current work view ? this looks like gnome-shell though this one is not yet fully developped
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05:06<locklace>shiznatix_: there are all kinds of ways to verify that; do the disks have exactly the same size?
05:06<locklace>same manufacturer? look at your dmesg output
05:08<shiznatix_>Ok "sdb" has an unknown partition table while "sda" seams to have several partitions
05:09<shiznatix_>according to dmesg output. They are the same size though
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05:10<locklace>shiznatix_: run an fdisk -l /dev/sda
05:10<locklace>shiznatix_: look at the type field for the partitions, if it's linux it pretty much guarantees things
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05:11<locklace>assuming the new disk is actually new
05:11<shiznatix_>Linux and Linux LVM for sda. sdb just says no partition table
05:11<prahal_>arf stupid me . It is easely done via file applet and a dedicated directory . Sorry for the noise
05:11<FalseChicken>is there a way I can make only one window open when i open folders instead of it opening a new window?
05:11<shiznatix_>FalseChicken, check under the preferences. Are you using Gnome?
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05:12<locklace>shiznatix_: were you able to get to the link with the ddrescue documentation and examples?
05:12<shiznatix_>FalseChicken, I don't have gnome infront of me right now but its in the preferences or settings when you have a file browser open. Just search though there and you will find it
05:12<sylar>what happens to an lvm if one of its hds dies?
05:12<shiznatix_>locklace, yes, I was going to just do the example 1 from here:
05:12<RattusRattus>jm_: W00t - other than forgetting to build initramdisk everything worked. thanks for your help
05:13<jm_>RattusRattus: no worries
05:13<locklace>now that's altruism. the man is in the middle of a rescue recovery of a dead drive and he still finds time to help some other poor bastard out with gnome window behaviour
05:13<sylar>will the data on the rest of the hds stay?
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05:13<locklace>sylar: depends how you set up the pvs/vg
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05:14<shiznatix_>just keeping him off your back so you can help me :)
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05:14<sylar>locklace, say [p1,p2]=lv1
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05:21<shamanix>can anyone who uses/used adesklets or knows a bit of python translate this error message into human understandable form
05:23<kooll>shamanix: important bit seems to be : font 'VeraBd/8' could not be loaded
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05:24<shamanix>where do I get that font? or should I just replace it with some different font in the py file
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05:26<kooll>shamanix: perhaps in the package ttf-bitstream-vera
05:26<prahal_>shamanix, ttf-bitstream-vera ... if it was the default you should report a bug (or ttf-dejavu could work also though no matter what the package should require the fonts it needs
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05:27<shamanix>thats probably it, I dont have ttf-bitstream-vera installed, I'm installing right now
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05:29<shamanix>thanks that solved it
05:30<shamanix>!beer for prahal_
05:30*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Spaten Optimator for for prahal_
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05:47<themill>judd depends adesklets
05:47<judd>themill: adesklets -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libimlib2, libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), libx11-6, python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.5), python-central (>= 0.6.7), ttf-dejavu
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05:51<ComradeHaz>Hi all, is there anyone who's familliar with, and better still able to shed any light on what's going to happen about:
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05:53<locklace>ComradeHaz: no, but the right link to track the issue is
05:53<locklace>someone seems to have posted a workaround there at least
05:53<ComradeHaz>Wonder how long it'll take skyp[e to sort out :(
05:53<ComradeHaz>aye, not sure I like it much
05:53<ComradeHaz>Might just make do
05:54<ComradeHaz>Virtual box FTW ;)
05:54<AzaTht>probably an OT question, though I don't know where I best should ask this question: In a scenario when using an software raid using mdadm with one internal SATA disk and one external eSATA disk, and the internal disk fails, what information is required to restore the full array only based on the external one (the RAID is an normal mirror)?
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05:57<AzaTht>locklace: forgot to mention that the internal disk is replaced fully in this situation, so thus I wonder what data might need to be backuped beforehand
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05:57<AzaTht>the internal disk is the only disk in the system, and is also the system disk
05:58<AzaTht>internal that is :/
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05:59<AzaTht>and yea, the Software-RAID howto is rather outdated sadly
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06:03<jm_>AzaTht: you should be able to boot from the other disk, assuming raid1
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06:13<AzaTht>jm_: heh, forgot to say is is only /home that is under RAID, the system is statically on the internal disk
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06:15<jm_>AzaTht: ouch
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06:26<simon1245>Hello everyone, I need help with Wine. I want to use Livezilla but i don't know how to
06:27<simon1245>If someone could help me fast i would appericate it because i need to leave soon
06:27<petemc>if i were i would give up on that wee idea
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06:30<simon1245>But i need that program, Is there any other program like taht one?
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06:31<shiznatix_>Hello again. I just did a disk copy with dd_rescue and now the exact same problem is going on. I tried to do "fdisk /dev/sda" then "e2fsck -v -f /dev/sda1" like the man page says but it said invalid command "e" so I am not sure what to do now to try to fix this partition
06:32<locklace>why are you running that on the old disk instead of the new one
06:32<jm_>it says invalid command "e"?
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06:34<simon1245>Bye i will be back later with more problems :D
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06:35<shiznatix_>errr, ok my bad. I am running it on the new one. I forgot to get out of fdisk before I entered the other command. I entered the e2fsk command properly and got this:
06:36<shiznatix_>I unplugged the old one just to keep more damage from possibly happening to it
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06:36<shiznatix_>so that is why it is now sda and no longer sdb (sorry for posting so many times, I need to just get this stuff in 1 message)
06:36<locklace>does the partition table on the new one match the original one now
06:36<shiznatix_>locklace, yes
06:37<locklace>does the fsck work on any of the other partitions
06:38<shiznatix_>not sure, I havn't used fsck for anything yet, what would be that command to even try?
06:38<jm_>how big is the disk? sounds like dd was too fast for a problematic disk
06:38<shiznatix_>80 gigs in size but not much on it really
06:39<jm_>ok it's acceptable for 80G
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06:41<locklace>shiznatix_: depends on your partitions
06:41<locklace>shiznatix_: one of them is lvm space iirc, any luck activating that?
06:42<locklace>shiznatix_: if you're not able to repair the filesystems with fsck you're going to have to use deeper recovery tools, maybe testdisk
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06:43<shiznatix_>sadly not. The lvm one is showing when I do "fdisk -l" but I can't get it to mount. when I click on it on the desktop in knoppix to mount it i get this error "mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified"
06:43<locklace>uh, you can't mount lvm space directly, you have to activate it
06:44<locklace>try "vgscan --mknodes" and "vgchange -aly"
06:44<shiznatix_>ah ok, I am really new to this whole area of linux so please bare with me
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06:46<locklace>please paste "fdisk -l /dev/sda" and "lvs" output
06:46<locklace>and "ls -l /dev/mapper"
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06:47<locklace>heh, dude
06:48<locklace>you tried to fsck your lvm partition earlier
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06:48<locklace>try it on /dev/sda1 instead of 2
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06:49<shiznatix_>I haven't used fsck at all, just double checked
06:49<locklace>your e2fsck
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06:51<locklace>fine. now run it on /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 and /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol01
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06:51<AzaTht>jm_: I assume you don't have any ideas?
06:52<jm_>AzaTht: well I do - simply install stuff on another disk and reconstruct your raid there
06:53<AzaTht>I look into it
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06:53<jm_>AzaTht: mdadm assemble, or you can try linux kernel find the devices using autodetection of RAID array
06:54<shiznatix_>locklace, is this supposed to take a long time?
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06:55<AzaTht>jm_: you mean i should assemble the external as an incomplete array, and then add the internal partition as spare?
06:55<jm_>AzaTht: yes
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06:56<shiznatix_>locklace, problems with the second one:
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06:57<locklace>shiznatix_: what is that second lv? it's not ext2/3fs, and it's small, only 2GB
06:58<shiznatix_>locklace, honestly, i have no idea. I set this machine up about 2 years ago with just a default setup for a server
06:59<locklace>oh, it's probably swap.
06:59<locklace>!congratulate shiznatix_
06:59<dpkg>Woohoo shiznatix_, you did it!
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06:59<sylar>Supaplex, it seems to be OK
06:59<shiznatix_>what did i do?
06:59<locklace>you're done.
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07:00<sylar>Supaplex, the lvm which was accidentaly reduced
07:00<locklace>you can boot from the disk now if you want
07:00<shiznatix_>oh. well then! so it should work when i boot up?
07:00<sylar>how do I debug network slowness?
07:00<shiznatix_>roger that. i will give that a go right now. thanks for your help, i will let you know if it works out
07:00<sylar>where do I increase send buffer/window?
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07:01<sylar>It seems like I have only 216mbit/s on a gigabit nic
07:02<jm_>how did you test that?
07:03<locklace>i was going to ask, then realised i didn't really want to know
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07:05<sylar>jm_, who, me?
07:05<jm_>sylar: yup
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07:05<sylar>I am doing a drbd sync of two raid arrays over the network
07:05<sylar>but I guess there are more ways to test
07:06<jm_>right, that's not going to be a good test
07:08<sylar>jm_, do you have a good test that doesn't use the disk?
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07:10<locklace>sylar: netperf, or one of the hundreds of other related tools
07:10<jm_>sylar: yeah netperf will do
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07:12<sylar>and for testing the disk?
07:12<matt7676>when I have used "apt-get clean" then is there any idea to use "apt-get autoclean" and "apt-get autoremove"? As much as I know, the local package repository is only in /var/cache/apt/archives and "apt-get clean" deletes everything in it.
07:12<locklace>matt7676: use aptitude instead of apt-get
07:12<jm_>for disk you can use dd, bonnie, hdparm, ...
07:13<jm_>matt7676: autoremove does soemthing else
07:14<sylar>anyone has an opinion about rsnapshot? or a similar program?
07:14<sylar>for backups?
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07:14<locklace>sylar: it's nice if it fits your use case. other things to look at are afio and flexbackup
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07:14<matt7676>locklace: isn't aptitude just a front end to apt-get? And as much as I know, I can do everything with apt-get that I can do with aptitude.
07:14<jm_>or rdiff-backup
07:15<sylar>can i use rsnapshot to recover from some time with cp -ax rootsnapshot /.
07:15<jeremiah>matt7676: aptitude is not merely a front end to apt-get.
07:15<locklace>matt7676: no
07:15<locklace>!tell matt7676 about why aptitude
07:15<shiznatix_>sigh, no such luck. The exact same problem when trying to boot up. If i try from the default kernel it just hangs at "init: version 2.85 booting". If I try from the second kernel it gets past this but hangs at the step of "loading default keymap (en)"
07:16<jeremiah>!tell jeremiah about why aptitude
07:16<jeremiah>That looks like fun reading. :)
07:16<locklace>!tell jeremiah about selftell
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07:16<locklace>shiznatix_: well, look on the bright side. your disk is fine.
07:17<jeremiah>Oops. Please excuse the #debian faux pas! :)
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07:18<matt7676>jm_: Ok, so "apt-get remove" uninstalls not needed installed packages(which were previously needed because of dependencies).
07:19<jm_>matt7676: autoremove, not remove
07:19<matt7676>jm_: yes, sorry. "apt-get autoremove"
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07:20<jm_>matt7676: as for other question - I still see use for autoclean
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07:20<sylar>is it possible to know a certain connection tcp parametes?
07:21<sylar>if I have autowindow scaling?
07:21<matt7676>jm_: what question?
07:22<jm_>matt7676: well question, comment, whatever
07:23<shiznatix_>locklace, thats good since I just bought the thing today but are there any hints on how to get the disk to boot properly so I get get the database off of it? The mysql databases and some files are all I really need but when I can't boot it and can't get it with knoppix I have no idea what to do
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07:25<locklace>shiznatix_: first, do you actually have any real reason to believe anything was wrong with the original disk
07:26<shiznatix_>locklace, other than the non booting thing, no
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07:27<locklace>so your original disk is probably fine, and all you've done so far is make a copy of it
07:27<locklace>lesson: make sure you're solving the right problem
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07:28<locklace>now, getting the databases and files is trivial from knoppix, you just activate the lvm like we just did and mount the filesystems and copy whatever you want.
07:28<locklace>the more interesting question is why your boot is failing during execution of the rc scripts
07:29<shiznatix_>locklace, roger that. How do i activate the lvm? after everything i did last time I still could not get it to mount
07:29<locklace>you do the same things you did before, vgscan and vgchange -aly
07:30<locklace>then mount /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 under /mnt or wherever.
07:30<locklace>also for future reference, consider using grml instead of knoppix for rescue activity:
07:31<matt7676>when moving to aptitude, isn't there any reason sometimes switch back to apt-get? I mean apt-get has so many options- has aptitude really all of them?
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07:32<shiznatix_>locklace, mounted! yes! and this grml looks better than knoppix
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07:34<locklace>it includes useful things like john and aircrack-ng
07:35<AzaTht>jm_: as everything like mdadm.conf is removed during the reinstall, should I backup that file?
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07:35<locklace>matt7676: i've never needed to revert back to apt-get. apt-cache is still occasionally useful
07:35<Fastrack>scusate vorrei collegare windows a linux con vnc
07:36<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:40<matt7676>locklace: ok, but what about apt-listbugs ?
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07:41<simon1245>Hi all, I'm back
07:42<AzaTht>locklace: you get more help there than here???
07:42<simon1245>Could someone tell me how to change so the Windows automactally starts at startup?
07:43<dpkg>[grub] Grand Unified Bootloader. It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see . For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>.
07:43<locklace>matt7676: what about it
07:46<simon1245>AzaTht: It gives me some kind of error, Can i copy it in here? i did aptitude install grub grub-doc
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07:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
07:47<locklace>simon1245: i thought we agreed that you were going to read the tutorials you were given before asking more stuff in here
07:48<simon1245>locklace: I never find anything when i search, Just need to read a bounch of shits and i never understand anything, This is 10x faster to get help on.
07:48<AzaTht>gah, forgot to fully sync the array before testing to rebuild it from the external
07:48<AzaTht>have to redo it all :(
07:49<shiznatix_>locklace, thanks a million. I am now putting everything on a usb drive and will ditch centos for debian lenny on all my servers. The rest of this I am sure I can handle so thank you so much for helping me out here. Cheers!
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07:49<AzaTht>simon1245: just set windows to default in grub conf
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07:49<locklace>simon1245: you are abusing the channel by not consulting the documentation that has been provided for you before asking for help.
07:50<simon1245>locklace: Ok, Sorry i will try to use google more. But i like to chat :D It's 10x easier
07:50<locklace>shiznatix_: sounds good
07:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:50<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put an underscore( "_" )_ on both sides of them.
07:51<locklace>simon1245: i didn't ask you to use google, i asked you to read those documents. but using google is also something you should do first.
07:51<simon1245>locklace: Why are you always angry?
07:51<locklace>simon1245: saying that "i ask in the channel because it's easier than reading or searching" is unacceptable. it's a waste of other peoples' time.
07:51<carlosggsb4428>YOU CAN LISTEN TO ME
07:52<simon1245>Carlos Who are you talking to? Me?
07:52<carlosggsb4428>NO NO
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07:53<carlosggsb4428>HOLA HOLA
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07:53*dr|z3d spoonfeeds simon1245 something unpleasant and steaming.
07:53<dr|z3d>!ops carlosggsb4428 is being an asshat.
07:53<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: carlosggsb4428 is being an asshat.
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07:54<locklace>simon1245 is fast approaching the limits of asshatry also
07:54<jm_>AzaTht: wait, I thought the disk is dead
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07:54<AzaTht>jm_: no, not yet
07:54<AzaTht>I'm working on an NAS software raid solution
07:54<AzaTht>and need a way to handle errors somewhat
07:54<azeem>dr|z3d: for referenec, the factoid for spanish is !es
07:55<AzaTht>azeem: [13:52:53] <dr|z3d> !es
07:55<jm_>AzaTht: so you don't have the issue at all then or what?
07:55<azeem>it'd be nice to wait a few secs after that before escalating to ops though
07:55<dr|z3d>azeem: I think you'll notice I triggered that prior to determining the man was a twonk. :)
07:56<AzaTht>jm_: I'm trying to figure out how to best handle the solution
07:56<AzaTht>azeem: it had been three minutes since my !es
07:56<dr|z3d>AzaTht: I notice you'd already triggerd.. azeem: he had plenty of time to demonstrate his non-asshat status. :)
07:56<azeem>ok, I give up
07:56<locklace>!coffee azeem
07:56*dpkg decants a fine brew of International Roast Caterers Blend for azeem, courtesy of locklace
07:57<azeem>I'll go for the jura
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07:57<jm_>AzaTht: right, having a backup will be helpful
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07:57<AzaTht>jm_: ok
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07:58<AzaTht>is mdadm.conf the only file usable to backup, or are there other stuff thatcould benefit reconstruction?
07:58<sylar>how do I make changes in sysctl.conf take effect?
07:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:58<matt7676>locklace: ok, it looks like apt-listbugs works with aptitude as well.
07:58<AzaTht>!ops carlos is back
07:58<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: azatht complains about: carlos is back
07:58<jm_>sylar: sysctl -a
07:58<locklace>matt7676: yes, and so does apt-listchanges
07:58<jm_>uhm not -a, but -p
07:58<dr|z3d>carlos: Take a hint. Speak English for fsck off. Thanks.
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07:59<sylar>jm_, thnks
07:59<jm_>sylar: -p though
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08:00<matt7676>locklace: however, am i right that aptitude is ment to be replacing apt-get, but not apt-file or apt-cache?
08:00<locklace>matt7676: it overlaps some with apt-cache but doesn't replace it completely afaict, and apt-file is its own thing
08:00<dr|z3d>matt7676: Correct.
08:01<dr|z3d>apt-file and apt-cache !=apt-get
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08:01<dr|z3d>aptitude and apt-get are roughly equivalent. That's all.
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08:03<jm_>far from it, show me minesweeper in apt-get
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08:15<FalseChicken>anyone know how to pause a console app in C?
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08:17<locklace>FalseChicken: define "pause"
08:18<FalseChicken>wait for the user to press a key
08:18<locklace>a read from stdin will have that effect
08:18<locklace>man getchar, etc
08:20<jm_>FalseChicken: keep in mind that in normal mode the user will have to press enter - alternatively put tty in a different mode or use ncurses
08:22<matt7676>What is the Debian usage share among other distributions?
08:23<dr|z3d>matt7676: Google is the best "person" to ask.
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08:24<locklace>oh, i just realised who simon1245 is
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08:25<locklace>he was already banned once
08:25<matt7676>locklace: I mean something like pie chart with other distributions not just list with distributions which are based on Debian.
08:26<dr|z3d>matt7676: Did you try Google?
08:26<locklace>matt7676: count entries, also count entries of "list of linux distributions", divide. done.
08:26<dr|z3d>Because we'd have to do the same to pull you down a page.
08:26<FalseChicken>thanks again
08:27<dr|z3d>Do we look like we have google written on our foreheads? :)
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08:28<dr|z3d>!tell matt7676 about google
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08:30*locklace actually hoping someone hurries up and makes a better search engine than google, noncommercial
08:30<locklace>irritating having to go to them all the time just because everyone else sucks so much
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08:32<roumba>hello all
08:32<petemc>locklace: why is it irritating?
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08:32<matt7676>sorry, I was bit unspecific. I ment pie-chart of distribution users(people).
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08:32<matt7676>and yes, I tried Google
08:33<Yoda-BZH>hi, is there any possibility to detect an IDE disk as a sd* device ? (or the oposit, a sata drive named hd*) in the install stage ?
08:33<locklace>petemc: because in general being beholden to any single corporation for something so fundamental is a problem, and in specific because of their revenue model they're a better ad-serving engine than a search engine
08:33<dr|z3d>Virtual monopolies invariably are, petemc
08:33<dr|z3d>Evidently you have much to learn about googling, young jedi.
08:33<jm_>Yoda-BZH: yes
08:33<Yoda-BZH>how ?
08:33<jm_>by using IDE drivers that rely on libata
08:34<roumba>i'm still investigating my problem with irssi-plugin-otr, GotenXiao made a little workaround, but as noticed by ulim it doesn't really change how the program works, so i tested with irssi from debian stable and it's working, irssi 0.8.13 from debian sid broke irssi-plugin-otr 0.3 from sid too
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08:34<Yoda-BZH>how can I know which ones rely on it ?
08:34<petemc>locklace: google got the search right first, then applied a business model
08:35<roumba>i'm building irssi 0.8.13 to see if that's the debian package which broke the plugin or at least part of the new release
08:35<petemc>im not sure how else such a task could be undertaken without a big company backing it
08:35*dr|z3d commends to lovelace.
08:35<jm_>they are typically named pata_foo
08:35<sylar>can someone give me a hint about lvm performance tuning?
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08:35<locklace>dr|z3d: i already use it for everything
08:36<locklace>sylar: only if you could be a little more vague
08:36<roumba>so, if you really need irssi-otr working just install irssi=0.8.12-6
08:36<sylar>locklace, I can try
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08:37<sylar>locklace, my lvm maybe performs bad like 27MB/s over 3 disk mdadm raid 5
08:37<sylar>locklace, I am not sure thoug
08:37<Yoda-BZH>jm_ so not all disks are supported ? unfortunatly I don't have the choice of disks nor ide chipsets, I have to install an OS on randoms machines, i'd like to be able to use a single preseed for both ide and sata drives
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08:39<jm_>Yoda-BZH: what do you mean? yes they are
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08:41<Yoda-BZH>i'm gonna run some tests
08:41<Yoda-BZH>thanks jm_
08:41<jm_>Yoda-BZH: not sure which drivers Debian kernel/installer prefers in case both support the same chipset
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08:44<shiznatix>I have an external usb HD that mounted with no problems in Knoppix but now when I try to mount it on debian it just doesn't mount. It shows up in nautilus but when I click on it nothing happens and when I right click->mount nothing happens. How do I get it to mount as the regular user so I don't have to screw around with root?
08:45<roumba>shiznatix: what's the file system ? and did you try with pmount from the terminal ?
08:45<locklace>shiznatix: did you do the lvm setup stuff
08:46<locklace>shiznatix: or is this some other disk
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08:46<shiznatix>locklace, other disk, not the same thing
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08:47<enouf>probably fastest to just boot into knoppix and pastebin info (dmesg) from there
08:47<shiznatix>roumba, I didn't try pmount (didn't know about it) but how do you figure out which drive it is? ls /dev/sd* gives me 4 different drives
08:48<shiznatix>really this isn't the first time I have had trouble mounting usb memory in debian, it sometimes only lets me put stuff on a thumb drive if i am root after mounting it normally
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08:48<valdyn>sylar: hows that value meaningful when we dont know how you are benchmarking?
08:49<roumba>shiznatix: well, i admit that i know how are partitioned my drives well enough to guess the number, for the letter, you can check the last lines of dmesg when you plugin the drive
08:49<locklace>shiznatix: paste "ls -l /dev/disk/by-id' if that dir exists
08:49<roumba>shiznatix: so, unplug it, plug it, and run in the terminal 'dmesg | tail'
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08:50<valdyn>shiznatix: gnome just mounts it, so try double clicking the icon
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08:50<roumba>locklace: i always forget these directoris with human readable info :D
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08:51<shiznatix>valdyn, thats the problem, it isn't "just mounting"
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08:51<valdyn>shiznatix: whats the error message?
08:51<shiznatix>and the the rest: dmesg | tail leads me to believe that it is sdd / sdd1 since I did just plug it in
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08:52<locklace>shiznatix: paste "ls -l /dev/disk/by-id'
08:52<shiznatix>valdyn, there is no error message. nothing happens.
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08:52<valdyn>shiznatix: never seen a double click just do nothing, it either opens or gives an error
08:52<cpineda>hola a todos
08:53<locklace>shiznatix: fine. so that tells you exactly which disk is which.
08:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:53<roumba>shiznatix: i would try 'pmount /dev/sdd1' (or pmount-hal)
08:54<shiznatix>locklace, funny, it says "mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdd1 is already mounted on /" then "mount failed" but I can't find the drive in /mnt/ or /media/
08:55<roumba>shiznatix: a pastebin of 'mount' please :D
08:55<locklace>shiznatix: paste "cat /proc/mounts"
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08:57<shiznatix>both commands:
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08:58<roumba>funny, sounds a bit confusing, you should offer more presents to your computer :D
08:59<roumba>shiznatix: can you pastebin 'cat /etc/mtab' please
08:59<locklace>shiznatix: pmount is confused, can't help there as i've never used it. but with the right options in fstab you can let arbitrary users mount the usb drive with mount if you want
08:59<locklace>roumba: not useful
09:00<locklace>mtab is obsolete, no more info than /proc/mounts
09:00<roumba>locklace: the problem with fstab is that you can't anticipate the device letter of the usb drive
09:00<roumba>ok lock
09:00<locklace>mtab was a dumb idea to begin with, it should never have existed
09:01<locklace>roumba: you don't have to, you can reference the drive by persistent id (id, label, uuid)
09:02<roumba>ah yes, you're right
09:03<themill>Does pmount require you to be in the plugdev group?
09:03<roumba>yes themill
09:03<jm_>who would know with all the desktop cruft
09:03<locklace>jm_: plus the cruft mutates almost weekly
09:03<jm_>locklace: heh
09:03<locklace>at least static cruft can be worked around
09:04<themill>(or just use KDE where it just works (TM) and has done for years)
09:04*themill ducks
09:04<locklace>!bomb themill
09:04*dpkg drops a humongous exploding turd on themill
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09:05<shiznatix>sooooo, how can i go about getting this silly thing to mount properly?
09:05<shiznatix>or even mount at all
09:05<locklace>shiznatix: first step, make sure it mounts as root
09:05<themill>shiznatix: and are you in the plugdev group? (if you're trying pmount)
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09:06<shiznatix>Yes, it works as root
09:06<shiznatix>how do you check what groups you are in?
09:06<roumba>'groups' in terminal
09:07<shiznatix>yes, i am part of the plugdev group
09:07<roumba>didn't know 'id',cool
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09:09<locklace>shiznatix: next step, my way, is add the right line to /etc/fstab that will allow mount by normal users. may not provide desktop integration though
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09:09<dpkg>Test Failed.
09:10<shiznatix>aye. well I am going to say screw it for now and just deal with having to use the command line to mount it, i am tired and have only 50 minutes till i want to jet out of this office
09:10<locklace>shiznatix: from everything we've done today you may be noticing a pattern: the commandline is better.
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09:11<shiznatix>locklace, :) yes it is a true story. My biggest problem is i can't keep track of the million different command names, I just know I have a command that did A and now I don't remeber it anymore
09:12<locklace>shiznatix: that's normal, you'll remember them after using them a few times. also, big tip: man -k. "man -k <topic>" will show you all man pages/commands with <topic> in their description
09:13<shiznatix>locklace, ahhhhhh. never heard of that before. good deal
09:14<locklace>shiznatix: paste "blkid /dev/sdd1"
09:14<OdyX>dooh... what was the command to show all manpages with <topic> in their description ? ;)
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09:14<locklace>OdyX: hehe
09:14<locklace>OdyX: the best stupid unix thing ever: sccs stealing the "help" command
09:14<shiznatix>locklace, /dev/sdd1: LABEL="My Book" UUID="1F58-E8C3" TYPE="vfat"
09:14<OdyX>sccs locklace ? bash ?
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09:15<locklace>OdyX: if you don't know sccs it's probably in the best interests of your sanity to preserve that golden state of cerebral innocence
09:16<enouf>shiznatix: (related to man {-k,-a}) , man apropos ;-)
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09:16<locklace>shiznatix: ok, one thing about (v)fat, if you want a user to have read/write access then you have to pass a mount option to set the user who will be designated as the "owner" of all the fat files/dirs
09:16<enouf>shiznatix: man whereis as well
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09:17<locklace>and "man man" is easy to remember
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09:17<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
09:17<enouf>i always just chown <myuser> /mnt/point
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09:18<locklace>shiznatix: add that mount line to your /etc/fstab, making the appropriate substitutions. in particular, replace "/dev/partition" with LABEL="My Book"
09:18<shiznatix>whew baby, ok I will have to write this down and work on it tomorrow, i just want to get my old database up on my local machine so i can calm the boss
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09:18<locklace>!bomb the boss
09:18*dpkg drops a humongous exploding turd on the boss
09:18<enouf>locklace: i think for fstab a \040 is needed for a space in name
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09:18<locklace>enouf: really? that sucks
09:19<enouf>LABEL="My\040Book" .. or something
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09:19<locklace>i guess that makes sense though given the need to be backward-compatible with the ancient fstab format
09:20<locklace>better thing is to change the label so it doesn't have a space in the first place
09:20<enouf>right .. or use UUID= ;-)
09:20<locklace>yeah, label is somewhat nicer to read though
09:21<enouf>sure is - for vfat label altering, i think mtools is the pkg needed (and maybe you also want dosfsutils)
09:21<locklace>shiznatix: "e2label /dev/sdd1 MyBook"
09:21<locklace>oh, oops, it's vfat
09:21<enouf>heh .. careful :-P
09:21<peat>hey, i have a short question, maybe you can help me out .. i want to export a variable called something like "file.path", i get an "invalid identifier" when i try to export this. debian/etch. Is ist the "." in the var name and is there a way to export this var ?
09:21<shiznatix>:) not ext2
09:22<sylar>valdyn, I now benched 47mb/s writing to the lvm
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09:22<locklace>peat: show your exact command
09:22<sylar>valdyn, using dd if=/dev/zero of=zeros bs=100000000 count=100
09:23<enouf>shiznatix: man ascii (for the hex/octal/decimal equivs for standard ascii characters)
09:23<peat>last try was export config.file=/home/proj_name/filename.xml
09:23<sylar>I think I should get more
09:23<sylar>more , more more !
09:23<sylar>I tel ya
09:24<locklace>shiznatix: you can get the mtools for the vfat labeler, or put the \040 in the line, or use uuid instead
09:24<jm_>peat: variable names can only contain alphanumeric chars + underscore
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09:25<peat>i thought so .. trying to set up a application on debian, was runnuing on win_serv
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09:25<peat>thx u for ur help
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09:26<shiznatix>locklace, roger
09:27<matt7676>When I use aptitude, does it call apt-get and apt-get calls dpkg? Or does aptitude call directly dpkg?
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09:29<locklace>matt7676: aptitude and apt-get use libapt
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09:33<matt7676>locklace: ok, so using aptitude it calls libapt and libapt calls dpkg?
09:33<enouf>matt7676: do you really want to know?
09:33<valdyn>matt7676: man strace
09:34<matt7676>enouf: it's nothing so necessary, but just interesting to know
09:34<valdyn>matt7676: learn to use strace
09:34<enouf>thank the author, if you can
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09:34<enouf>that too
09:34<dr|z3d>matt7676: Just watch aptitude in action whilst you install something. It's verbose enough to give you a good idea of what it's doing.
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09:35<valdyn>sylar: compare it to a plain disk
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09:37<valdyn>sylar: your raid5 is not supposed to be very fast in real world usage, no matter what
09:37<enouf>matt7676: libapt-pkg-perl: /usr/share/doc/libapt-pkg-perl
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09:38<sylar>valdyn, raid5 should be (Ndisk-1)xdiskSpeed fast
09:38<valdyn>sylar: no, thats nonsense
09:38<valdyn>sylar: that assumes unrealistic conditions
09:39<sylar>for big files
09:39<valdyn>sylar: for silly benchmarks
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09:39<sylar>silly benchmark say something
09:39<valdyn>sylar: do a comparison: dd from big file and dd from raw raid device
09:39<valdyn>sylar: if theres a huge difference then your lvm is set up wrongly
09:40<sylar>but I don't have another raid device
09:40<valdyn>sylar: *from*
09:40<valdyn>sylar: youre not overwriting by reading from
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09:40<sylar>so I like dd from /dev/md5
09:40<valdyn>sylar: yes
09:40<sylar>k, I can do that
09:40<sylar>lets party :D
09:41<valdyn>sylar: raw read should be about twice as fast as single disk *if* your system can handle that
09:41<valdyn>sylar: writes should be slower, im not sure by how much
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09:42<valdyn>sylar: either way your experience with dd going up from 27 to 47 just by changing block size makes me think that you have a system that cant handle the load easily
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09:47<shiznatix>ok last question today for sure. Where is the world is the default error log file for mysql?
09:48<petemc>do you know where logs are normally stored?
09:48<locklace>shiznatix: /var/log/mysql?
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09:48<shiznatix>nothing there
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09:48<locklace>shiznatix: probably defined in some config file in /etc/mysql
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09:49<petemc>shiznatix: ls -la /var/log/mysql<tab>
09:49<sylar>valdyn, l checked dd if=/dev/md5 of=/dev/null bs=100000000 count=100, and got 120MB/s
09:49<shiznatix>petemc, already tried all those, all empty and just some random .gz files
09:49<valdyn>sylar: now compare the raw volume
09:50<valdyn>sylar: you want to know which layer is slowing you down, raid or lvm or filesystem
09:50<sylar>valdyn, and it went from 27 to 47 on ocfs2+drbd+lvm vs lvm+ext3
09:50<locklace>shiznatix: look at the log-related entries in the my.cnf or whatever in /etc/mysql
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09:50<shiznatix>locklace, there is nothing there, already checked
09:52<locklace>/etc/mysql is empty?
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09:58<maks>searching how i can copy an audio track in cinelerra
09:58<maks>captured dv is mono
09:59<maks>would like to copy the "Audio 1" track into "Audio 2"
10:00<roumba>maks: cinelerra lovers are on #cinelerra on freenode
10:00<roumba>(we're on oftc if i'm not wrong)
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10:04<maks>roumba: went there but is pretty silent
10:05<maks>t get how to select this audio track and paste it into the other one
10:07<roumba>i can give a try let me check
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10:09<acu>I want to install Postfix _ Cyrus IMAP on Lenny - if I have multiple domains - do I need to configure first Postfix for multiple domains or should I do it later ?
10:09<sylar>valdyn, on my second server, which has a degraded raid5 with two disks each does 72MB/s and the raid5 does 35MB/s
10:09<maks>i can arm "Audio 1" select all, then create a new audio track arm only this one and then paste into it
10:10<maks>the strange thing is that it paste its into the end
10:10<sylar>valdyn, on my first server each disk does 62mb/s and the raid5 does 120mbs
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10:11<sylar>valdyn, so something is wrong with my mdadm raid5 on the second server
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10:11<maks>oh i was using the wrong "strategy" whatever that was
10:11<maks>thanks roumba anyway seems to work out
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10:12<maks>i'm just too stupid for those guis
10:12<roumba>cinelerra is strange anyway
10:13<roumba>i can't wait to test lumiera :D
10:13<maks>pitivi seems to improve accoding to planet.gnome.o
10:13<matt7676>When I do "dpkg --list | grep 'zip\b'" I'll get: "ii zip 2.32-1 Archiver for .zip files". But when I do "dpkg --list | grep '^zip\b'", I'll get no results. However, there is free space before "zip"?
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10:14<roumba>maks: efectively, they released today
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10:21<acu>If I am logged in as one user - how can I change at console the logged user to another user?
10:22<roumba>acu: 'su <user>'
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10:34<tech404>Does anyone know of a good resource for finding hw with excellent open support? Preferably completely open hw? I found this and it seems pretty good but seems like it may be outdated.
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10:35<tech404>I would like to build a new computer and want to have complete control this time. No proprietary graphics drivers, no reversed engineered linux drivers.
10:36<valdyn>tech404: plain and only intel hardware
10:36<roumba>what about radeon (ati/amd) ?
10:36<valdyn>old or not well supported
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10:37<tech404>roumba, last I heard they had said they were going to open everything but have not
10:37<roumba>i readed they release more or less regularly some docs to help devs
10:37<valdyn>roumba: for outdated hardware
10:38<roumba>but i agree with valdyn, it's not so well supported
10:38<sylar>valdyn, the raid5 read performance differ significantly between my two servers. Do you know where mdadm raid5 parameters are located?
10:38<valdyn>roumba: while docs need to be released _before_ the hardware releases
10:38<valdyn>sylar: they are set when you create the raid
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10:39<valdyn>sylar: but you probably have 2 parallel ata disks on the same cable or whatever
10:39<roumba>valdyn: i'll surely agree with near everything you would say, i just don't work for ati/amd :D
10:39<valdyn>sylar: this is complex
10:39<sylar>valdyn, I have SATA II
10:39<valdyn>sylar: nice, that excludes a bunch of issues
10:39<roumba>tech404: i'm not sure, but i readed there's not so many motherboard with intel igp for desktop machine
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10:40<valdyn>theres plenty
10:40<tech404>roumba, igp?
10:40<valdyn>but theres only few with a decent set of pci(e) slots
10:40<tech404>ohhh integrated graphics
10:41<roumba>yes sorry
10:41<roumba>valdyn: ok
10:41<tech404>I would prefer a video card to integrated.
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10:42<sylar>anyone know how to make mdadm spit out all raid parameters?
10:42<tech404>I think that VIA makes 2 cards that are open
10:42<roumba>so no choice you'll buy nvidia or radeon
10:42<roumba>ah yeah
10:42<valdyn>tech404: thats not useful
10:42<roumba>(damn, i'll shut up)
10:42<valdyn>the-dude: thats embedded stuff and/or badly supported
10:42<valdyn>tech404: ^^
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10:43<tech404>valdyn, why do you say that? I dont need huge gpu performance I just dont want my mb doing the work and taking from my memory
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10:43<valdyn>tech404: because embedded stuff implies that its on board and that its got a slow cpu
10:43<tech404>ohh, bad support. Thats a good reason
10:43<valdyn>tech404: but its really nice chips, sure
10:44<valdyn>tech404: makes nice media playback boxes, but not desktops
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10:45<tech404>valdyn, whats your first language... out of curiosity. Also thanks a bunch for talking to me about this stuff.
10:45<valdyn>tech404: german
10:46<valdyn>tech404: maybe your best choice is some "outdated" ati card, i cant tell you which one that is
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10:47<addydas>ist jemand hier
10:47<tech404>valdyn, I am looking at the site and it seems like they have some pretty decent (not great but fine for what I will be doing) cards. I guess they only provide the specs and docs for the embedded stuff?
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10:47<addydas>who are you?
10:47<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
10:47<roumba>tech404: on the linux download section, it seems you can only get drivers for the igp's thingy, not the cards
10:48<addydas>sorry someone cracked my account
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10:48<valdyn>tech404: the openchrome driver used to be bad, i dont know much specifics
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10:50<tech404>valdyn, Thanks for all your help. I will take just take a look at the kernel and see what cards it supports 3d for. I guess I may just be stuck with ig.
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10:51<tech404>roumba, you too.
10:52<roumba>tech404: (could be useful for your searches)
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10:52<roumba>you're welcome
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10:55<valdyn>hmm, via 540gtx does look neat
10:56<valdyn>but linux driver support doesnt seem complete
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10:58<sylar>I don't get it, the systems are identical
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10:59<sylar>they have the same hardware, same bios settings, even the disks are cloned
10:59<sylar>just one is in degraded mode
10:59<sylar>the other is not
10:59<roumba>tech404: , the installation instructions sounds as complex as for other video binary drivers
10:59<sylar>and maybe that is the big diff
10:59<sylar>is it?
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11:01<Yesu>does anyone have any examples of a xorg.conf for ati r700 cards
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11:07<jstein>on my debian testing system the installation of emacs/xemacs is confused. i had xemacs in past, removed it then and installed emacs. Now emacs on console returns xemacs: command not found. i can start emacs only by calling /usr/bin/emacs22-x. can i fix that problem with something like aptitude purge? (literally purge did not help)
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11:13<bja>Yesu: A bad advice, take a live cd, see how it responds and take a look at the xorg.conf file
11:13<bja>Yesu: Knoppix has great software to recognice hw.
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11:15<dpkg>Test Failed.
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11:23<Bunnyh>Is it possible to set up a VNC environment that allows persistent sessions for users, but doesn't require using unique port numbers for each user? Currently I'm using xinetd, xdm and Xvnc, that allows using the same port for all users, gives a nice login screen, but doesn't allow persistent sessions
11:25<dr|z3d>Bunnyh: Sounds like tightvncserver might suit you better.
11:25<dr|z3d>You won't need unique ports, just unique session ids. eg: lanip:1 lanip:2 etc.
11:25<Bunnyh>what is the difference? I thought they did pretty much the same thing. I know it's possible to have persistent sessions with Xvnc server, but that would require using the "wait" inetd option
11:27<dr|z3d>If it doesn't work for you, feel free to say so. After you've tried it. :)
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11:28<Bunnyh>What I would like, is that the users connecting to a certain port with a VNC client would get the XDM login screen, and after logging in, would either get their old session, or if there isn't any, a new one. If they just disconnect their client without exiting the X window manager, the system would keep their session running.
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11:28*dr|z3d yawns.
11:29<dr|z3d>Why don't you try my recommendation. The only thing you won't get is GDM. You'll launch each user straight into their own DE.
11:29<dr|z3d>Check your X startup scripts in ~/.vnc
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11:33<Bunnyh>I'm just trying to figure out the overall setup that would be required. I'm looking into tightvncserver, even though I don't have any idea yet what would be different with that. Both Xvnc and tightvncserver can be run manually by the user, which would enable the persistent sessions, but would require a unique port for each user. Both can also be used with xinetd and xdm. Where is the difference?
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11:34<dr|z3d>No. tightvncserver does NOT require unique ports.
11:34<dr|z3d>Unique session ids, sure. Not ports.
11:34*dr|z3d loves repeating himself.
11:34<dr|z3d>You need not worry about ports. just :1 :2 etc.
11:35<Bunnyh>And how does that happen? I know you said that, it just doesn't mean anything concrete to me ATM. How does someone specify which session id he wants?
11:35<dr|z3d>They simply start a new vnc session and get allocated an id.
11:37<dr|z3d>That may well map to a different port, but the user need not specify that.
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11:39<Bunnyh>How can the user connect then, if the port number can be anything?
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11:40<dr|z3d>Bunnyh: This is how it works: User logs into his account over ssh. Starts his on vnc session with: tightvncserver. Gets allocated session id. logs into his own vnc session with allocated :id
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11:40<Bunnyh>OK, so you just mask port numbers with id's, isn't that pretty much the same as inputting the port numbers manually?
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11:41<Bunnyh>you just have to write one number instead of 2-5
11:42<dr|z3d>I'm telling you how it works.
11:42<roumba>have fun all
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11:44<Bunnyh>That's right, but that doesn't seem like what I want. You still have to know your id, which is pretty much the same as having to know your port number (and the id's even map directly to port numbers with 5900+id, what's the point really?)
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11:45<dr|z3d>When you launch the tightvncserver command, it TELLS YOU YOUR ID. Jeebus.
11:45<Bunnyh>I know, but it still is a hassle. And it still requires multiple ports
11:46<Bunnyh>Which is what i stated as being the problem in the first place
11:46<Yesu>anyone know of a good xorg.conf example for a ati hd4870x2?
11:47<Bunnyh>You are offering a solution requiring multiple ports, to my problem which comes from requiring multiple ports
11:47<dr|z3d>You can pipedream all you like. I'm merely stating how it works. You cannot run multiple vnc sessions on the same port, unless I'm missing some fundamental detail.
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11:47<Bunnyh>I am doing that currently, the sessions just can't be persistent...
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11:49<Bunnyh>Of course you can run multiple sessions on the same port, people are doing that with SSH all the time
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11:50<Yesu>anyone have a sample of an xorg.conf for ati 48xx series cards?
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11:50<dr|z3d>Bunnyh: Off you go, then. Don't let me stop you. :)
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11:53<Bunnyh>Persistent sessions are easy, and running many sessions on one port is easy. Combining those is the problem here, and might very well be impossible
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11:55<Bunnyh>BTW, I still don't know the difference between vnc4server and tightvncserver. To me, it seems that I can do exactly the same things with both of those
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11:57<bja>Bunnyh: man pages are your friends, and /usr/share/doc also
11:57<Bunnyh>I read those some time ago while learning VNC, and have used both of those programs. I didn't notice any difference, except the names
11:58<Bunnyh>I'm not trying to claim to know both completely, just commented on their similarity
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12:00<Bunnyh>The APT information of those packages also makes me think, that there is little difference
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12:00<acu>Bunnyh: what is your question ?
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12:01<acu>Bunnyh: the fastest is x11vnc
12:01<Bunnyh>No question really, just wondering about their similarity
12:02<acu>Bunnyh: spend your neurons in something pragmatic - learn to install a mail server :)
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12:03<Bunnyh>I ran my own some 5 years ago, but it was quite pointless for just my own personal mail. Most likely I have forgot everything about sendmail
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12:05*arw hello folks
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12:24<Hydroxide>I'm sure this is a popular question right now, but ... how do I tell a lenny machine to be satisfied if only one of the two signatures on the archive can be verified currently? this is not the same as ignoring both
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12:24<Hydroxide>once I do that I will install the updated debian-archive-keyring
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12:27<themill>!etch->lenny key
12:27<themill>dpkg, etch->lenny key
12:27<dpkg>During <etch->lenny>, apt may warn 'W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 4D270D06F42584E6'. Lenny's Release file is signed by two keys, only one of which you have. The chain of trust has not been broken and you can proceed with the upgrade. This is a different message to if you had untrusted sources. Once the lenny version of "debian-archive-keyring" is installed, the message goes. See <secure apt>.
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12:28<themill>dpkg, fix infobot's short addressing
12:28*dpkg takes infobot's short addressing to the vet for a "special" visit.
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12:28<themill>Hydroxide: ^^
12:29<Hydroxide>themill: this isn't what is happening. this is already a lenny machine, and it's saying it can't verify one of the sigs, but then aptitude goes ahead and claims the packages I want to install are untrusted
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12:29<Hydroxide>themill: I'm trying to do this in an automated fashion, and I'd rather not have to enable allow-untrusted
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12:29<themill>hmm... I've not seen this. Can you pastebin the output?
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12:31<Hydroxide>themill: in response to aptitude install snmpd, with a few options unrelated to key stuff (e.g. forcing to keep old conffiles)
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12:34<Hydroxide>themill: this machine seems to have been installed last November with a pre-release version of Lenny. so it's basically the same thing as etch->lenny in that regard ... but aptitude shouldn't be giving that big scary false warning
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12:34<Hydroxide>themill: nor requiring user input in this case
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12:39<themill>Hydroxide: istr something about the archive key being rotated late last year and then again just recently (perhaps?). Two rotations might be what is confusing it.
12:39<themill>I'm possibly hallucinating though.
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12:40<Hydroxide>themill: well I'm presuming it has two signatures at once ... not sure why that's causing the problem
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12:40<Hydroxide>I don't think it was rotated late last year
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12:41<themill>Hydroxide: they key your aptitude doesn't like was issued 2009-01-27
12:42<alyons>do you know if the various Debian IRC channels are logged anywhere?
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12:44<Yezu>upon typing this in as root: ./ --extract fglrx
12:44<Yezu>the screen returns to me Permission denied, why is that?
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12:46<themill>Hydroxide: it's basically the same as "etch->lenny key" but with the new key, I think.
12:47<Hydroxide>themill: yeah, I added a workaround of using dpkg -i to install the right keyring package before updating :)
12:47<themill>Hydroxide: the "update" is only a warning that's ignorable though. The question would be whether you could just "aptitude upgrade" to pick up the newer keyring
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12:49<Hydroxide>themill: answer: not without allowing it to install untrusted packages for at least one install run
12:49<Yezu>i cannot extract the fglrx driver from the ati-driver installer; it tells me permission denied, can anyone help me?
12:49<dr|z3d>Yezu: Try prefixing that command with sudo.
12:50<themill>Hydroxide: odd. Perhaps this is because you had an oldish keyring to begin with. Lenny has had this key in its keyring since it was created in January, but I would have expected the rollover to be less painful.
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12:50<dr|z3d>Ah, you are root. nm.
12:50<gsimmons>Yezu: ATI's driver installer package isn't supported here. You should be using the Debian fglrx packages instead.
12:50<gsimmons>!tell Yezu -about fglrx
12:50<bja>Yezu: Have you looked at the ati website?
12:50<Hydroxide>themill: also, it would be good to revise the dpkg factoid to simply tell etch users to make sure they have debian-archive-keyring installed and are 100% up to date on etch updates before upgrading to lenny. then they really shouldn't get any warnings and should pay attention to any they do receive
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12:51<Yezu>ok,t hx
12:51<Hydroxide>themill: since the latest etch point update includes the new keyring
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12:51<Yezu>bja, yes i looked at the website, did exactly what it said, but its returning permission denied
12:51<themill>Hydroxide: yeah... will do. (would be nice to have that included in the release notes.. becuase *everyone* reads them...)
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12:52<Hydroxide>themill: I know the release notes DO tell you to be fully up to date on etch
12:52<Hydroxide>themill: I just followed them yesterday :)
12:53<Hydroxide>themill: (on a different machine)
12:53<Hydroxide>themill: also, this is the command line I ended up using to mass-install snmpd on a bunch of different machines and get it listening on all interfaces:
12:53<themill>Hydroxide: true. And so does /msg dpkg etch->lenny :P
12:53<Hydroxide>(slightly sanitized for public consumption of course)
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12:54<themill>Hydroxide: yuck is the word that comes to mind for that command...
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12:55<Hydroxide>themill: haha. but it works :) and there isn't really that much better of a way to do it in a one-off manner without having a suitable infrastructure in place first
12:56<themill>Hydroxide: Do you have a local repo that is trusted fully by all machines (e.g. cron-apt automatically installs from it)
12:56<Hydroxide>themill: currently no. it's on our todo list.
12:56<themill>err... guess not, otherwise you wouldn't have that problem
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13:00<sney>yep, I definitely broke something
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13:02<sney>where does iceweasel log its errors, anyone know?
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13:05<bja>sney: AFAIK iceweasel doesn't log anything, but if you run it from a console, a lot of useful info shows up on the screen
13:06<sney>hopefully it'll show me useful info when it crashes spontaneously
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13:06<matt7676>if I am a aptitude user, then is it safe to use "apt-get clean" and/or "apt-get autoremove"?
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13:07<bja>sney: you can always redirect it to a file :
13:07<sney>bja: you had it right the first time
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13:08<bja>sney: thx my spelling is somewhat wrong this last few years :)
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13:09<sney>bah it segfaults before I can see what the error console says
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13:12<bja>sney: version of iceweasel
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13:14<sney>3.0.9, but epiphany segvs too so I'm thinking the problem is somewhere else
13:14<bja>sney: text base browser also segfaults?
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13:16<sney>w3m doesn't
13:16<sney>i think it's something to do with displaying images. doesn't segv but my bank does
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13:17<Gathond>java perhaps?
13:17<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:46<k1lumin4t1>hi there
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13:47<k1lumin4t1>A question to all of you using KDE 4.2 in Debian Squeeze
13:47<k1lumin4t1>I can't seem to have CD/DVD automounted, nor through the device notifier nor through dolphin
13:48<k1lumin4t1>whereas USB drives do mount well
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13:49<zack>i need some help with configuring eee pc 900 with debian lenny
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13:51<zack>when i listening music and open the some of programm i have hang of sound...
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13:51<zack>what is may be?
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13:51<zack>can i change some parametres in xorg for optimise this problem
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13:52<alys>I have an unbootable debian lenny system. There is an error message regarding procfs but I cannot do an fsck in maintenance login as it says hda1 is busy. Any ideas, please?
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13:55<locklace>alys: unbootable in what way exactly. how does it fail
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13:57<alys>it boots up until it comes to /proc checking and then everything goes wrong. Of course, it defaults to maintenance mode but when I have logged on as root I cannot perform fsck check or anything else.
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13:57<locklace>alys: /proc is a virtual filesystem, it doesn't get "checked".
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13:58<alys>the 'automatic' fsck check says failed with 'error 8' - is that important?
13:58<locklace>alys: rather, a problem with your root fs i guess. boot from a rescue disk and run the check from there.
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13:58<locklace>alys: or maybe you have a broken fstab
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13:59<alys>Thanks. Should I have made a rescue disk? - or can I do it now?
13:59<locklace>alys: the line for /proc should have 0 0 in the last two columns. verify
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13:59<alys>Thanks I'll do all that....
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13:59<KomaTous>Hello all, Im looking to remove x-window-system but cant find the uninstall command any where on google, im guessing im going to have to reinstall from scratch again? or is it possible to remove the x-window-system from the command interface (the one that you get on a basic install)
14:00<locklace>KomaTous: aptitude remove xorg
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14:01<simonrvn>error 8 means something went wrong with the fsck, usually means you'll have to do it manually.
14:01<KomaTous>thanks locklace ill use that, just so you know i installed liek this apt-get install x-window-system so should i rather do aptitude remove x-windows-system?
14:02<locklace>KomaTous: try what i said first, if it doesn't work then do what you said
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14:02<locklace>KomaTous: or just "aptitude remove xorg x-window-system x-window-system-core"
14:02<KomaTous>locklace ok thanks your way worked
14:02<locklace>!congratulate KomaTous
14:02<dpkg>Good show KomaTous, you did it!
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14:04<quitte>hi. debootstrap ignores me when I tell it to exclude sysvinit as i want to try upstart again. is there some way to force it?
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14:08<chealer>quitte: sysvinit is Essential: Yes
14:09<quitte>chealer: I know. but the debootstrap manpage even warns that it is possible to remove essential packages that way
14:09<quitte>and i tried. nothing else depends on sysvinit
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14:10<asmith>Hey, I should be able to read DVDs with a fresh install of Ubuntu correct?
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14:10<Gathond>asmith: probably not, but ubuntu should not be discussed here
14:10<asmith>You know what, I"m in the wrong IRC room
14:10<Gathond>asmith: or read DVD's yes, play back encrypted DVD movies, propably not so much
14:11<quitte>asmith: irc channel!
14:11<Gathond>asmith: the key point being that deCSS distribution is probably of questionable legality in some places
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14:24<quitte>it works with cdebootstrap. so it probably is a bug
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14:29<NqqmNet>anyone who can help me with tspc on ubuntu 9.04?
14:29<NqqmNet>and afraid ^^
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14:32<quitte>NqqmNet: try #ubuntu
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14:36<jthomas_sb>how can i find out which partition a directory is located on?
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14:37<dkr>mount will show all mounted partitions
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14:37<jthomas_sb>yes but say i have a two partitions, and a folder is located on one but symlinked onto the other
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14:39<jthomas_sb>i want to be able to automate stuff for a script, basically finding out 'if directory dir1/ is /dev/sda2, hardlink to these files; if dir1/ is on /dev/sdb1 then hardlink to these files'
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14:42<banished>Hi, I got a Debian etch mipsel system with a 2.4.20 kernel - there are still issues with the 2.6 kernel for this device, so I have to stick with that. As there is no udev, sould I install userdevfs for being able to mount usb hotplugged devices?
14:42<adama>jthomas_sb: check man stat
14:43<jthomas_sb>ok thanks
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14:52<binarymutant>can I send debdiffs to the BTS?
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14:55<dpkg>i heard can is question of capability, not permssion. You are quite capable of attempting anything you choose. If you're meant to ask permission instead, ask me about <ask>. SocketCAN project, ask me about <SocketCAN>.
14:55<adama>sorry couldn't resist
14:55<binarymutant>how do I attach debdiffs to the bts? :P
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14:56<dondelelcaro>binarymutant: just send it as an e-mail attachment
14:56<binarymutant>dondelelcaro, ty
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15:02<binarymutant>is there a site to check if a package ftbfs?
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15:02<Lethalman>binarymutant: try
15:02<binarymutant>Lethalman, ty
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15:04<binarymutant> come I can't find debian-policy in or ?
15:05<dondelelcaro>binarymutant: because it's an arch: all package and doesn't get built; it is on though
15:05<binarymutant>dondelelcaro, ty, I'll search through qa
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15:13<nive>What's the easiest way to connect to an xserver from a windows pc?
15:14<binarymutant>nive, I would say vnc
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15:14<quitte>what dpkg says about can doesn't make a lot of sense. wether i can write to a file _is_ a question of permissions
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15:18<nive>How can I configure the xserver to allow access to the login screen from vnc. I've actually tried vnc and it works great as long as i'm logged in. When logged out however the session ends and I cannot connect anymore.
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15:33<Hideo>quick question, is "while :" instead of "while true" bashism?
15:34<quitte>nive: you could configure you dm to manage a tightvnc session additionally to the local xserver
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15:38<quitte>nive: look at 2.2.7
15:40<nive>ok thanx
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15:41<banished>hm, what did debian use before there was udev?
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15:41<banished>can one get it on etch?
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15:42<quitte>debian never used devfs by default
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15:42<banished>so what did it use?
15:42<quitte>banished: it was just a directory containig device files
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15:43<banished>hm, but when I plug in an usb thumb drive, it won't appear in /dev
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15:43<quitte>banished: right. that's waht udev is for
15:43<quitte>banished: or you just have enough /dev/sd* devices already there
15:44<banished>how to get them?
15:44<acu>I am trying to setup an email server on Debian Lenny AMD64 - with POSTFIX - Cyrus - I am still confused - if I have more than one domain and want to use a database (I would prefer postgresql) - does anyone knows whether the database with domains and users is for both postfix and cyrus? - is any turnkey debian installation which takes care of a basic setup?
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15:44<quitte>banished: MAKEDEV or mknod
15:45<dkr>banished: devfsd was in sarge, not etch
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15:47<dkr>I didn't realize it was never default though. thought it went MAKEDEV, devfs, udev. I guess debian cycle was long enough to miss the devfs primary phase. :)
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15:48<quitte>you just made me uncertain. I'd have to install sarge. but iirc i always had to enable devfs myself, because for some reason I thought it was good.
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15:49<banished>cool, it works
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15:53<banished>what about ?
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15:55<dkr>what about it? it's for use in the installer
15:55<banished>yes, but why can't it be used within the installed system?
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15:59<dkr>I'm not sure exactly. probably a lot more efficient/optimal to use device drivers in kernel space
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16:31<banished>is there a reason a b/g wifi card only runs in b mode in etch?
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16:41<julia>weiß jemand, wie ich meinen dvbt stick ans laufen bringen könnte?
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16:44<chealer>banished: which card / chipset?
16:45<Flakk>Hi people. I had deb 2.6.18-4-686, this is "etch", I thought that having said apt-get upgrade I will get the recent version,that is 2.6.29, but I am still with 2.6.18. could you explain me where is the error
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16:49<chealer>Flakk: 2.6.18-4-686 is about your Linux image. Debian etch is Debian 5
16:49<chealer>Flakk: sorry, Debian etch is Debian 4
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16:50<Flakk>chealer: OK I mean that the most recent kernel version it seems to me is 2.6.29 isn't it?
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16:51<chealer>Flakk: yes
16:51<adb>chealer: even for etch ?
16:52<Flakk>can i get it by just upgrading fom my current version, or should I do the complete procedure of installation?
16:52<locklace>Flakk: why not move to lenny
16:53<Flakk>locklace: yes, that is what i wanted anyway
16:53<chealer>adb: Linux 2.6.29 is not in etch, no. it's the current Linux version (upstream)
16:53<locklace>Flakk: with lenny you'll have 2.6.26, but you can install the sid kernel package on top of it to end up with 2.6.29, or build your own kernel if you feel like it
16:53<acu>is anyone familiar with Cyrus -IMAP server ?
16:53<locklace>!tell acu about ask
16:54<Flakk>locklace: tha tis fine. how do i move to lenny?
16:54<chealer>Flakk: you can get it by upgrading
16:54<locklace>dpkg: etch->lenny
16:54<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
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16:54<acu>I installed Postfix (and it works) and installed Cyrus - but I am stuck - I do not know how to test it
16:54<Flakk>chealer: I did already the upgrading. I said "apt-get upgrade"
16:54<valdyn>acu: why cant you test an imap server?
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16:55<Flakk>locklace: oh i see
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16:55<Flakk>that is fine
16:55<acu>valdyn - because I do now know how to add domains - users :)
16:55<chealer>Flakk: "apt-get upgrade" does not necessarily perform all upgrades
16:56<acu>UW-IMAP did not need changes - but the Cyrus is like a mute donkey
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16:57<Flakk>locklace: yes I understand: if I just say "upgrade" it fetches the packages from my "sources.list" and they are etch packages
16:57<valdyn>acu: google?
16:58<acu>valdyn: google servers are hot from my searches - I need a human - whatever I know I can teach in 5 minutes - because is easy
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17:02<acu>I wish I could donwload a CD and install it with Debian as mail server
17:02<Flakk>locklace: thanx! I have one more question, this time about the wifi. I do not have a wifi interface, only two eth ones. How do I create a wifi interface?
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17:02<locklace>Flakk: it will be created automatically if the kernel detects your hardware. what kind of wlan chipset do you have
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17:03<Flakk>locklace: no idea
17:03<Flakk>(if any)
17:04<Flakk>02:05.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller [11ab:4320] (rev 13)
17:04<locklace>Flakk: ok. well, before asking whether you can have a wifi interface, you really do need to know whether you have a wifi card. ;)
17:05<Flakk>err ... lspci -nn gave me several lines but i guess only one has smth to do with NET
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17:07<Flakk>i guess i understand what you mean - the same command on my laptop cites an "intel corp PRO/Wireless...
17:07<acu>valdyn: seems sweet your link :)
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17:21<bja>Is it possible to pipe a file into ooffice and have it displayed?
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17:23<banished>chealer: Zydas ZD1211B, with another 'distribution' using the same kernel and modules it works in g mode (and more stable) - I didn't change the kernel, this get's managed by U-Boot
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17:23<banished>(the 'other distribution' is the default OS that comes with the device, it has no pakage management)
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17:25<chealer>banished: which kernel and modules?
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17:27<chealer>bja: did you check its manual?
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17:27<bja>chealer: Nothing useful there
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17:27<banished>chealer: kernel is 2.4.20-celf3, the module is zd1211b
17:28<locklace>bja: see if you can pipe it to a program that takes a filename as an arg and use "/dev/stdin" as the filename
17:28<chealer>bja: if it doesn't talk about reading stdin, you can assume it doesn't
17:29<chealer>banished: Debian does not support that kernel
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17:30<banished>chealer: it's etch
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17:30<bja>locklace: It didn't work. Guess I'll have to output to a temp fiel and then open it with ooffice
17:30<bja>chealer: thx dead end taking a detour
17:30<chealer>banished: etch doesn't have Linux 2.4.20
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17:31<Supaplex>it's way too old
17:31<bja>chealer: That kernel sounds like sarge ?
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17:32<banished>hm, I can choose between 2.4.20 and 2.6.24, but the 2.6.24 kernel lacks some drivers for that device (I don't know what they were thinking - they also shipped Firefox aka Bon Echo 2.0)
17:33<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
17:33<chealer>bja: not even
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17:34<bja>chealer: As I rememeber, you had an option of 2.4.something kernel and afterwards there was an upgrade to 2.6.8 or similar
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17:35<chealer>bja: it shipped with 2.4.27 by default and 2.6.8
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17:36<bja>chealer: If that is from memory, your's is impressive je je
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18:07<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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18:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:20<bja>shamanix: long gone je je
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18:21<shamanix>oops, just noticed
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18:24<SeLEct>Hello, every time i "make" i get some "clock" warning
18:25<SeLEct>Thank you
18:25<SeLEct>anyone know how i can fix it? or doues it even need to be fixed?
18:25<Supaplex>what's the warning?
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18:26<Supaplex>perhaps your system date and time are wrong.
18:27*locklace briefly tries to fathom the kind of mind that walks into an irc channel, makes a supremely vague statement about a problem, and then asks for definitive information on it.
18:28<Supaplex>!tell SeLEct -about don't work
18:28<themill>SeLEct: please try to be more vague
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18:28<Supaplex>SeLEct: the exact error message please
18:28<SeLEct>well my debian sys in swedish so
18:28<SeLEct>ill try to translate
18:28<bja>!beer themill
18:28*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for themill
18:28<SeLEct>make[2]: Warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 7,9e+07 s in the future
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18:29<bja>SeLEct: trt if you feel more confortable in german I haven't tried #debian-se
18:29<SeLEct>make[2]: warning: clock future detected (maybe wrong translated). the make can have been built wrong..
18:29<SeLEct>i guess something like that
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18:30<SeLEct>doues it make any sense?
18:30<Supaplex>SeLEct: is your clock set correctly?
18:30<dpkg>somebody said time was found on, or 2009.05.27 22:30:34, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see
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18:31<ruben>I am trying to make my PC autologin without using GDM
18:31<SeLEct>just "time" works right?
18:31<adama>SeLEct: either way it can probably be safely ignored
18:31<Supaplex>SeLEct: date
18:31<Supaplex>date -u
18:31<Supaplex>Wed May 27 22:31:42 UTC 2009
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18:31<Supaplex>and yes, my clock might be a little off.
18:31<SeLEct>nahh date seem pretty fued
18:31<SeLEct>any way to auto update it?
18:32<dpkg>ntpdate is probably a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp.
18:32<bja>ruben: What do you mean?
18:32<ruben>I have followed this: and it seems to work fine, however; It says "user to authorised to start the x server" at boot, and I have to login via command line to get into my PC atm
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18:33<ruben>*user not authorised
18:33<ruben>Does anyone know how to correct this?
18:33<SeLEct>hmm cannot find ntp-server in apt-cache search
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18:35*Supaplex adds another disk to a vg, then adds another 20gb to /home ala lvm. \o/
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18:36<ruben>I aim to have my PC boot straight into my LXDE environment without the hassle of loading GDM at all
18:36<locklace>!congratulate Supaplex
18:36<dpkg>Woohoo Supaplex, you did it!
18:36<abrotman>SeLEct: it's just 'ntp'
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18:37<bja>ruben: /j #debian-es
18:37<ruben>What's that?
18:38<bja>El canal de debian en español,
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18:38<ruben>I'm English
18:39<ruben>What use is a Spanish channel?
18:39<tombs>maybe is because you said:
18:39<tombs><ruben> Yo
18:39<ruben>Very funny
18:39<ruben>Can anyone help me?
18:39<ruben>Or am I wasting my time here?
18:40<SQlvpapir>the 8ball says no
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18:40<mark__>sexy porn
18:40<abrotman>mark__: wrong channel
18:40<abrotman>!run at startup
18:40<dpkg>Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local
18:40<abrotman>ruben: maybe use that to run 'startx' as your user at boot time
18:41<bja>ruben: I made the mistake
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18:41<ruben>I'll look into this
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18:42<tombs>not even "thanx"
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18:42<MontelEdwards>hello all
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18:48<gishdog>so - this may seem like a really stupid question but is there anyway to see a previous version of a file that I've overwritten?
18:48<MontelEdwards>gishdog: i see you didnt make backups
18:49<themill>gishdog: only if you have a backup or were running VMS not Debian.
18:49<gishdog>well... my sysadmin was supposed to setup snapshots before he left the company
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18:50<wohdfoh>i want to add a os on a spare hdd to my current setup it's already on the system i just want to be able to access it through grub. i tried something i found on a forum through google, but it didn't seem to work
18:50<wohdfoh>what i did was make an entry for the drive/os in grub
18:50*themill paints some brightly coloured stripes on the wall
18:51*locklace watches with cap in hand as the DEC shock troops drag themill away
18:51<wohdfoh>yeah, so i got an error message saying the drive could not be accessed or could not be found or something. i'll have to reboot to get the exact message
18:51<gishdog>so - what's supposed to go in sites-enabled? that's what got overwritten
18:52<gishdog>oh - crap
18:52<gishdog>all of the config info goes in there huh?
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18:54<themill>gishdog: all the custom config for the site goes in there, but that's not necessarily very much.
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18:55<wohdfoh>this is my file
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18:56<arw>hello, i made a update of my system and it fidhed ok, but when i try to use gnome desktop it does not atend the keyboard, against kde that it does, any ideas? my system is: debian testing 2.6.26-2-686
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18:57<wohdfoh>and this is the entry i added in the menu.lst file
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18:57<wohdfoh>arw: are you using a translator? that did not make sense. maybe it's just me.
18:59<wohdfoh>themill: does any of that make sense to you? you are a op here right? or is that abrotman?
18:59<wohdfoh>i cant remember
18:59*abrotman hides from themill
19:00*themill knows stuff all about grub
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19:00<bja>wohdfoh: arw got disconnected before you wrote anything :(
19:01<dkr>(nick completion)++
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19:06<jblair>I hope everyone had a good memorial day weekend
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19:07<jblair>can I ask a question about 5.0?
19:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:07<bja>jblair: Your politness overwhelmed the channel
19:08<jblair>Sorry I try, anyway is there a problem with the /etc/groups in lenny or am I having a brain-malfunction tonight
19:08<Supaplex>mine is better now that I have my days off
19:09<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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19:09<bja>jblair: expose your facts and lets hope its your first choice
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19:10<jblair>Aye, I added a group and then users in that group, but then I get access denied, and my groups comand don't show me in that group
19:11<themill>jblair: did you log out and then log back in again?
19:11<bja>Anyone has a good iron, my fingers seem to be ultimately tangled :\
19:11<jblair>ie: groupname:x:groupnum:user1,user2 etc
19:11<bja>jblair: can you type the command you issued?
19:11*Supaplex takes a 9-iron to bja's fingers *WHACK*
19:11<jblair>i opened a new terminal in X
19:12<jblair>do I have to totally relog?
19:12<Supaplex>jblair: run 'id' you usually have to log completely out and back in.
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19:12<themill>or run "newgrp groupname" but that won't work for everything
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19:12*bja looks at his fingers and cries
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19:12<Supaplex>ssh to localhost
19:13<Supaplex>bja: at least they're not burnt. Shall I get the hot iron instead?
19:13<bja>Supaplex: Guess so, todya is typo dya
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19:14<jblair>@bja I actually used VI to edit the /etc/group file
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19:15<bja>jblair: thought so, log out and then back in, everything should be fine by then
19:15<jblair>I also tried usermod
19:15<jblair>Oh, O.K. TYSVM
19:15<Supaplex>it's generally better to rely on the tools, instead of a text editor
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19:15<Supaplex>enjoy :)
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19:16<jblair>Thanks alot guys you guys are great, I will relog later
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19:16<Supaplex>ssh to localhost if you're lazy ;)
19:16*jblair wave
19:16<bja>jblair: I usually use groupadd, so it gets the groups and passwd files updated
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19:16<gishdog>So - apache seems to restart without error but I can't access my server - where can I check the overall apache error logs?
19:17<Supaplex>uh... the logs would be on the server.
19:17<bja>Supaplex: Usually
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19:22<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
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19:23<bja>!beer Supaplex
19:23*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Dogfishhead 90min IPA for Supaplex
19:23<xemacs4321>dpkg you do this proffessionaly
19:23<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
19:23<prahal>hi is there a tool to forward dhcp from a router to clients of a bridge (with a wireless interface)
19:24<tonytraductor>dpkg is da man
19:24<dpkg>tonytraductor: are you smoking crack?
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19:24<tonytraductor>no, I gave up smoking crack years ago
19:24<tonytraductor>hacking linux is more addictive, and more rewarding
19:24<tonytraductor>and far more fun
19:24<SlimeyPete>I have a smoking crack.
19:24<tonytraductor>and less expensive
19:25<wohdfoh>if i uninstall grub shouldn't the /boot/grub directory be deleted?
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19:25<xemacs4321>tony you mean profitable
19:25<tonytraductor>that, too
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19:25<tonytraductor>I'm expecting an everex cloudbook that I got cheap off of ebay
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19:26<tonytraductor>it has ubuntu 8.04 already on it
19:26<Supaplex>wohdfoh, uh, stick around...
19:26<xemacs4321>tonytraductor, then it need fixing
19:26<tonytraductor>actually, this laptop I'm on right now as ubu, too, but all of the machines in my office are no running debian
19:26<tonytraductor>and this ubu install has been much modified
19:27<tonytraductor>gnome erased, ion3 added, lotso other cruft and chaff removed
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19:27<tonytraductor>yeah, needs fixed...needs debian on it
19:27<tonytraductor>but is there a debian for netbooks?
19:27<gishdog>alright... I can't start apache - it asks for an Apache:mod_ssl passphrase - anyway to reset that?
19:28<tonytraductor>I suppose I could start ith an alt install and just install the stuff I want, but I wonder about hardware deetection for this little toy thingy
19:28<xemacs4321>they have some good people, but if i don't want unpleasant surprises debian stable is the good stuff
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19:28<tonytraductor>the guy I bought it from recommends keeping ubu 8.04, because it was a modified install from the manufacturer, configured for the hardware
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19:29<jblair>Hello again.
19:29<Supaplex>gishdog: don't use a cert that has a passphrase? or strip it with openssl so it's phraseless
19:29<gishdog>i only have one cert installed and it doesnt have a passphrase...
19:29<bja>jblair: How did things come out?
19:29<jblair>I wanted to thank you, re-loging worked great, and I figured out why I was confused. I always SSH because I only ran linux on servers until now.
19:30<gishdog>the only thing I can think of is that its looking for the passphrase for the cert that amazon issues (it's an aws server)
19:30<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
19:30<tonytraductor>how could anyone not be satisfied with debian gnu/linux and the amazing community on #debian?
19:31*jblair /waves
19:31<tonytraductor>and dpkg
19:32<gishdog>anyway I can verify what cert it wants a passphrase for?
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19:35<Supaplex>gishdog: freenode #httpd
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19:38<bja>No flame intended, If you were to try bsd which one would you try openbsd or freebsd?
19:38<jblair>bja: depends on what for?
19:39<locklace>try them all. let god sort them out
19:39<Supaplex>!start a bsd war
19:39<Supaplex>ahh fooey. :)
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19:40<jblair>freebsd == good generic bsd, openbsd == tinfoil-hat mode netbsd == toaster compatibility :)
19:40<locklace>!start an os holy war
19:40<dpkg>unix sucks!
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19:41<jblair>ooh, ooh, can i start too? SCO > all ;)
19:42<bja>overwhelming response on just under 2 min whao
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19:44<shamanix>SCO (aka Caldera) was the first linux I saw 10 years ago, no wonder I didn't get hooked on linux back then lol :-)
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19:46<jblair>wow, It's been a while eh, I think I started with RH 5.2(I hear that's pretty normal)
19:47<bja>Since all are going to go to vm's I'll guess I'll buy a wm external hdd to host all of them :)
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19:49<dpkg>[sco] Santa Cruz Operation,, and also suing everyone over linux The SCO that's doing the suing is actually Caldera, renamed to SCO (The SCO Group). The original SCO (Santa Cruz Operation) went bankrupt years ago and became Tarantella. EFAIL (crewel irony of errno.h), or
19:50<xlotlu>western maxtor?
19:50<bja>jblair: s/wm/wd western digital
19:50<Supaplex>dpkg: sco =~ s/and also/failed/
19:50<dpkg>OK, Supaplex
19:52<bja>I just don't seem to get my fingers staight today, not even after Supaplex 9 iron je je
19:52<jblair>oh drr
19:53<shamanix>!confuse bja
19:53<dpkg>No, those is our snake today, bja? Wellies of the Democracy of Belarus with extra crabpaste.
19:53*jblair is having an off-day, needs to drink less :)
19:53<shamanix>!alcohol and linux
19:53<dpkg>they don't mix!
19:53<abrotman>lay off the bot
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19:54<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
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19:55<jblair>lol, run /make menuconfig when trashed and try and remember the next day has turned out to be a pretty fun game(IMO, of course not on production servers)
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20:40<sney>I broke my web browsing capability
20:41<shamanix>!congratulate sney
20:41<dpkg>Good show sney, you did it!
20:41*dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay."
20:41<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
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20:42<abrotman>sney: with all browsers?
20:42<kristianpaul>yay i love this bot dpkg k
20:42<abrotman>leave the freaking bot alone
20:42<sney>abrotman: well, with iceweasel and epiphany anyway.
20:42<DeepDayze>guess the bot needs some love :p
20:42<sney>it segfaults on certain pages
20:42<abrotman>sney: tried safe mode?
20:43<sney>tried safe mode
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20:45<shamanix>did you compile the browser yourself? did you install any libraries/dependencies that could conflict with it?
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20:45<abrotman>sney: tried a non-gecko browser?
20:46<sney>hmm let me try opera
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20:50<sney>ok, opera works
20:50<sney>so something is happening that gecko doesn't like
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20:51<abrotman>sney: which version of debian ?
20:52<sney>I removed iceweasel and epiphany and installed them again with apt, but it didn't pick up any new dependencies
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20:54<kop>I'm trying to remove all attachments from email and must be doing something fundimentally wrong. I'm using procmail and a .procmailrc file (which I know is run). I've a recepie that looks like ':0 f<newline>| altermime --removeall --input-'. Yet I get attachments. I'm running postfix on etch fwiw.
20:57<abrotman>sney: if you do a `aptitude full-upgrade` .. is anything held back ?
20:58<sney>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
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20:59<locklace>sney: can you try it either as a different user or with moving all of its config stuff out of the way
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21:01<kop>I'm thinking that perhaps altermime --removeall does not really remove all attachments, just file attachments or something.
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21:02<kop>Or maybe the "f" procmail flag is not what I want?
21:02<kop>brandon : Hello
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21:03<brandon>uh wat do u guys talk about here?
21:03<locklace>!tell brandon about debian
21:03<brandon>i no wat it is
21:03<kop>brandon : This is support for debian gnu/linux.
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21:05<kop>Maybe I need "w" or "W" flag also? (What's the point of "waiting" instead of "not waiting" anyhow? I don't really get it.)
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21:20<kop>Allright, so waiting is just with respect to the result code, not the filter output. Anyway, I'd expect it to work, it just doesn't, and I'm a kinda at a loss.
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21:38<Yonut27>I am running Debian Lenny and have a problem. I loaded gnome, and things have changed. When I open a window, it becomes the only window I can use, it even covers the main menu, and cannot be moved out of the way. Also, the 4 sections in the bottom right corner (for the desktop), has become one. Please help, I don't know what I did.
21:39<abrotman>which window manager are youusing ?
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21:39<Yonut27>whatever the default was
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21:40<Yonut27>wait, is metacity a windows manager?
21:41<abrotman>but is it actually running ?
21:41<Yonut27>ok, then that is it, no, I removed it, because of the hotkeys feature was messing up when I would type long messages.
21:41<Yonut27>but I will try it again, ty
21:41<Yonut27>and without hitting any hotkeys
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21:43<shamanix>Yonut27 give Openbox a shot if you dont like metacity
21:43<abrotman>well .. there are other WMs you can use
21:43<abrotman>but he's gone already
21:43<shamanix>oops he just left
21:44<sney>I think I kind of liked sawfish
21:44<sney>back in the day
21:46<jblair>so (without trying to start a war) does anyone still use e or WM? And is there a better CDE that XFCE (even !free beer would be ok)
21:46<shamanix>hmm, i'm wondering what programs are there (other then pcmanfm of lxde and idesk) to get icons when using openbox or a simular wm
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21:48<abrotman>e or WM ?
21:49<jblair>abrotman: enightenment or window maker(nextstep)
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21:49<sney>enlightenment is neat to play with, but the default theme is really bad looking
21:49<sney>I wonder how e17 is coming
21:49<sney>and yes, people still use wmaker
21:50<jblair>unstable last i played with it :)
21:50<jblair>sney: cool, will have to look at it again then
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21:52<jblair>Hello nam
21:52<namiranian>I want to khnow which of my hardwares are known by linux
21:53<namiranian>becouse some of my graphical effects are disables
21:53<shamanix>what do you have?
21:53<jblair>ok. can you be more verbose?
21:53<namiranian>I want software like device manager in windows
21:54<jblair>i would too :)
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21:54<jblair>but i like /proc :)
21:55<abrotman>namiranian: lspci | grep VGA
21:55<namiranian>hello abrotman
21:55<namiranian>what is that
21:55<abrotman>your video card?
21:56<shamanix>gives info about your gfxcard
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21:59<jblair>nam: whats the output from the "lspci | grep VGA" command on the terminal?
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22:01<shamanix>guys I'm trying to compile a prog and get the following error: wxWindows must be installed on your system. anyone know the exact package to install, so I dont have to download every single wxwidgets package there is?
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22:02<sney>well since it's a ./configure error, that narrows it down to the -dev packages
22:03<sney>or in the case of wxwindows, it appears to be the -headers packages
22:03<johns>shamanix: is the program you are compiling also packaged for debian? if so, apt-get build-dep PKG
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22:03<shamanix>no it isnt packaged unfortunatly
22:04<jblair>do you have wxGTK ?
22:04<shamanix>one of the dev packages solved it, thanks guys
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22:05<shamanix>wish these ./configure errors would just show exact package names, but I doubt thats possible
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22:06<sney>yeah, not likely
22:06<sney>but you get used to it
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22:06<sney>and usually when it throws compile dependencies you can apt-cache search for what it's missing and you'll get what you need
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22:11<Co_X>dear all expert... help me on install pysamba please... i am new in python and debian linux
22:12<abrotman>namiranian: ask in here please
22:13<namiranian>so how can I undrestand that driver is installed on my OS
22:14<abrotman>we wanted to see the device first
22:15<jblair>nam: for video?
22:16<namiranian>ok I saw
22:16<namiranian>it told me nvidia 64
22:16<namiranian>but mine is 32MB memory
22:16<abrotman>we want to see the actual line
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22:17<namiranian>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
22:17<namiranian>this is the result of lspci
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22:18<shamanix>namiranian good luck finding drivers for that, even if you do you may need to downgrade xorg or something like that
22:18<abrotman>the drivers in lenyn will support that just fine
22:19<abrotman>man nv .. tells you right there
22:19<namiranian>is this mean that driver is installed?
22:19<abrotman>if you did 'aptitude install xorg' .. yes
22:20<namiranian>no I havn't installed what you said yet
22:21<jblair>nam: do you have a GUI or are you all text?
22:21<namiranian>I have gui
22:21<shamanix>he did complain about graphical effects so I guess he has it
22:21<namiranian>I think it is installed befor
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22:22<namiranian>but I saw something very intresting in Ultimate Ubuntu
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22:23<abrotman>namiranian: this is #debian .. we don't know anything about ubuntu
22:23<jblair>ahh are you missing compiz cube fading etc?
22:23<namiranian>and in addition when I select normal mode in Visual effects, it says desktop effects can't be enabled
22:24<namiranian>what is that error for?
22:24<abrotman>that video card kind of sucks ... i'm not sure it's really capable of doing compiz
22:24<shamanix>namiranian that is one seriously old graphics card, it probably doesn't support them
22:24<abrotman>that video card is from like .. 1997?
22:25<shamanix>it definatly doesnt do compiz
22:25<jblair>does the nv driver have 3D accel? (dont have anything that old)
22:25<abrotman>jblair: it does .. but maybe not for that card's really pretty old
22:25<namiranian>it is old, but I want work it
22:26<jblair>abrotman: aye, thats what I meant. ok. easy peasy then.
22:27<shamanix>namiranian get at least an fx 5200, older then that and you can pretty much forget fancyshmancy fx
22:27<namiranian>you mean these effects need more than 32MB memory on graphical cart
22:27<shamanix>no its more to do with gpu features
22:27<jblair>yea, the new compiz if geforce2+ IIRC
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22:28<shamanix>compiz runs on gf2, wow
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22:28<namiranian>thanks for your guides
22:28<jblair>if you are looking for really cheap I think the GeForce 4 MX should work
22:28<jblair>GeForce4MX == GeForce2
22:29<namiranian>I have a problem with my M.B becouse my computer Don't go to stand bye or Hibernet modes in linux
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22:29<jblair>chan is that right?
22:30<namiranian>how can I get sure about M.B drivers?
22:30<shamanix>I think it has something to do with acpi or the lack of it, more then the mb
22:30<jblair>older gfx hardware support can also create that problem
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22:31<abrotman>it's probably because it's so old it doens't know what acpi is
22:31<abrotman>and APM is utter crap
22:31<namiranian>How can I undrstand which one is the problem
22:32<shamanix>how old is your motherboard?
22:32<jblair>nam: its most likel\y your video for both
22:32<abrotman>yeah .. not going to have acpi .. and the apm is likely half-assed
22:33<namiranian>is model of my M.B
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22:33<abrotman>it's a Pentium II ?
22:33<namiranian>no it is Duran 800MHz
22:34<simonrvn>same model as mine IIRC
22:34<abrotman>maybe it does have ACPI
22:34<simonrvn>it does have acpi if it is
22:34<namiranian>so what should I do now to get it working?
22:34<simonrvn>Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co. Product Name: 7IXE4
22:35<simonrvn>irongate chipset
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22:35<jblair>maybe noacpi
22:35<Cypriot>hi all
22:35<xemacs4321>Is there any documentation on Virtualbox ?
22:35<simonrvn>you need *amd* drivers for like i2c, agp, etc.
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22:36<abrotman>if it's really a Duron 800 .. it's not from 1997
22:36<simonrvn>it does too, it's really picky though (read: crap), and from ~2000 not '97
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22:37<simonrvn>namiranian: i could give you an lsmod dump if you like
22:37<namiranian>the main board BIOS is for 2000
22:37<namiranian>what is lsmod dump?
22:37<simonrvn>hold.. pastebin url coming up
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22:39<simonrvn>i've fucked with this board for a few months now. have the sensors spitting data, etc.
22:39<abrotman>ha .. appletalk
22:40<simonrvn>mixed network ;)
22:40<namiranian>what is appletalk?
22:40<abrotman>yay system7!
22:41<simonrvn>driver for the server end of mac file sharing
22:41<namiranian>simonrvn : what is this long list?
22:41<simonrvn>the output of lsmod command
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22:41<simonrvn>it'll help you get your mobo working properly
22:43<simonrvn>ignore the appletalk, and snd-* stuff, that won't help
22:43<namiranian>simonrvn : mine is diffrent with your list
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22:45<simonrvn>namiranian: you can do it at the same site
22:45<namiranian>abrotman : what should I do if my problem is acpi?
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22:46<simonrvn>like i said, it's really picky, you gotta play with your bios a bit to get it. though the defaults are a good place to start.
22:47<namiranian>here is the result of lsmod on my PC :
22:47<simonrvn>oh, that nvidia card might not play nice on that mobo, if you're the same person with that geforce*
22:47<simonrvn>i'm using a radeon 9000 for this box...
22:48<simonrvn>(which is rather nice, since i don't have to screw around with proprietary blob drivers)
22:48<abrotman>just appletalk
22:49<namiranian>what is "appletalk" ?
22:49<shamanix>network protocol
22:49<simonrvn>w83781d - your sensor driver, for instance
22:50<namiranian>what is this sensor?
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22:50<simonrvn>cpu, mobo, case temp and fan, stuff like that
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22:52<simonrvn>this particular mobo has an athlon cpu..
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22:52<namiranian>no my M.B has K7 soket
22:52<Ap0llo>can anyone help my graphics issue im facing
22:53<simonrvn>the cpu here is a k6... i wasn't talking about the cpu socket type
22:53<Ap0llo>i have an ati card and i tried installing it with the .deb file and all i get is a black screen
22:53<shamanix>which ati card?
22:54<shamanix>the deb does not work with some older ones
22:54<namiranian>if you mean graphic : w83781d
22:54<namiranian>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
22:54<simonrvn>namiranian: that's not graphics...
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22:54<Ap0llo>its an ATI mobility radeon HD
22:54<simonrvn>22:49 < simonrvn> w83781d - your sensor driver, for instance
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22:55<Ap0llo>before i would get this weird graphics burn but now its just a black screen
22:55<namiranian>w83 .. was a miss past
22:55<simonrvn>oh ok, nm then
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22:57<simonrvn>namiranian: that tnt2 might cause issues :/
22:57<Ap0llo>no help???
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22:57<simonrvn>i suppose you tried the radeonhd stuff?
22:58<Ap0llo>i didnt know w here to start
22:58<namiranian_>what is radeonhd?
22:59<chealer>Ap0llo: just ask your question
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22:59<chealer>!tell namiranian_ about radeonhd
23:00<shamanix>Ap0llo which drivers/package did you install then?
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23:00<shamanix>radeon and fglfx is for older cards AFAIK
23:01<Ap0llo>i believe its from the debian site
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23:02<Ap0llo>i run on debian lenny on a 64bit OS
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23:03<shamanix>what is the exact name of the package?
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23:04<namiranian>ok I think I am not using radeon graphic card
23:04<Ap0llo>i cant remember sorry
23:05<Ap0llo>its been a while since i focused on this problem
23:05<Ap0llo>its only now im trying to fix this
23:07<namiranian>what is acpi? isn't it my problem?
23:08<namiranian>in addition I could standby my PC in win98
23:08<namiranian>but in winXP this option was disabled , too.
23:09<c>Hi! Problen: openoffice not open *.doc /ask :"About to execute /usr/sbin/editkeep.This command needs root privileges to be executed"
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23:13<chealer>namiranian: did you ask Wikipedia?
23:13-!-phrosty [] has joined #debian
23:14<c> I ask Google
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23:14<namiranian>I want to know how to enable it on linux
23:14<shamanix>namiranian, maybe you should take a look at your bios, especially the power management part
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23:15<namiranian>as I couldn't find options on Bios
23:15<shamanix>acpi should be enabled by default on most any linux if the motherboard properly supports it
23:16<shamanix>do you have acpid running?
23:16<namiranian>when I used win XP my computer didn't turn off completely unitll I checked for acpi support
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23:16<namiranian>How should I undrestand that?
23:17<shamanix>there is a program named acpid
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23:17<shamanix>think of it as an acpi driver
23:17<namiranian>how can I understand if my acpi is running?
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23:18<shamanix>namiranian just a sec
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23:19<namiranian>I am waiting
23:19<k1lumin4t1>I'm experiencing this problem with CD/DVD mount in Debian Squeeze on every Desktop Environment I've just tried
23:19<k1lumin4t1>I primarly use KDE 4.2
23:19<k1lumin4t1>but the problem is persistent through all of the Desktop Environments I have
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23:20<shamanix>namiranian ps aux | grep acpi
23:20<k1lumin4t1>USB drives do automount and are easily handled with just a couple of clicks
23:20<k1lumin4t1>but not CD/DVD drives
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23:20<shamanix>k1lumin4t1 I have almost the exact opposite problem
23:21-!-mode/#debian [+l 405] by debhelper
23:21<k1lumin4t1>shamanix, and that is?
23:21<shamanix>mounting pendrives, well they mound but run with half speed or less
23:21<Zviper>anyone know how to ask a question in a script and apply the info entered ? not sure if that makes any sense
23:22<k1lumin4t1>Zviper, using variables
23:22<k1lumin4t1>Zviper, parameters that is
23:22<namiranian>here is the result of ps aux | grep acpi : ps aux | grep acpi
23:23<Zviper>how would i get the variables entered?
23:23<namiranian>my misstype was twice typeing the command
23:23<shamanix>namiranian, thats wierd its exactly the same I get
23:25<namiranian>what wierd means?
23:25<namiranian>what is this Wierd Problem?
23:25<shamanix>sorry weird
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23:26<namiranian>was my acpi enabled?
23:26<shamanix>well your acpid is ok afaict, so the problem is probably somewhere else
23:27<shamanix>what did you need to do in winxp to get it working?
23:27<namiranian>I couldn't enable stand by in winXP
23:28<namiranian>But i can stand by in win98
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23:28<namiranian>THe problem I had in XP was: my computer didn't Shutdown completely after saving changes
23:29<namiranian>it would just show your computer is ready to turn of
23:29<namiranian>and I had to turn my pc off bye powe bottom
23:31<namiranian>I think I put a tick on the acpi option in in "advance Powe management" ( I don't remember exact name) and it repaired
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23:31<namiranian>now I can Hibenate in Win XP but not in linux
23:31<namiranian>I can standby in Win98 But not in WinXP and linux
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23:38<shamanix>namiranian try these option is grub
23:39<shamanix>it may not help but its worth a shot
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23:41<simonrvn>is my /proc/cmdline, FYI -> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29-2-686 root=UUID=66a7fc76-5371-4266-b3e7-a4752b61f85f ro lapic vga=788 video=radeonfb:1024x768-60,cmode:32 nosplash
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23:44<ArC>Does debian support fluxbox?
23:44<kenyon>!info fluxbox
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23:44<kenyon>one moment
23:44<dpkg>fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1381 kB, Installed size: 4236 kB
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23:50<new1>i installed a gfx card and the drivers for it. i'm getting really bad framerates. i mean just on the desktop moving a window it will be choppy.
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23:50<new1>it's like a windows box before manufacturer drivers are installed for a gfx card.
23:51<shamanix>new1: what kind of gfx card do you have?
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23:51<new1>geforce4 ti
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23:54<shamanix>what does lscpi | grep VGA give you?
23:55<new1>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4200] (rev a3)
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23:59<shamanix>new1 did it work ok before installing the drivers?
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