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00:02<phorce1>xemacs4321: not building a debian package, a program that's not in the debian tree ---- and the author's documention sucks. The ./configure error is ...
00:02<phorce1>"You need to install the development packages of X11, GTK+ and/or QT."
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00:04<xemacs4321>phorce1, apt-cache search lets you search available packages
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00:06<ml|>phorce1: just install the dev packages for what it needs
00:09<phorce1>ml|: heh -- did you see that error? the -dev packages of X11, GTK+, and/or QT. There are a LOT of -dev packages for each of those. Picking through them with acs (apt-cache search) is getting tedious. I was hoping there was something like "build-essential" for X
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00:12<shamanix>phorce1 after a while you will get used to it, apps you need to compile and there readmes rarely give exact package names
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00:14<ml|>phorce1: this should fix your X11 error... libx11-dev - X11 client-side library (development headers)
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00:14<phorce1>shamanix: 99.999999% of what I ever use is already in the debian tree nowadays. I used to install pretty much *-dev to play with non-debianized stuff. Now I'm getting picky (which is a little stupid since I now have thousands of times more available drive space)
00:15<phorce1>ml|: I hadn't reached that one yet. I tried xserver-xorg-dev
00:16<phorce1>ml|: and it looks like when I installed libgtk2.0-dev it pulled in libx11-dev as a depend
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00:19<phorce1>What the heck is this? "X11 found, but it does not seem to have the XTest extension No X11 dependant applications will be build"
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00:21<phorce1>google here I come
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00:23<phorce1>aha, libxtst6
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00:24<phorce1>success (at least the compiling)
00:25<ml|>!win phorce1
00:25<dpkg>Congratulations, phorce1! You have won the US presidency!
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00:32<phorce1>Now I can "cheat" at an online flash game by using my snazzy new X11 mouse auto-clicker. It would be really nice to fing an X macro scripting program like "AutoHotKey" for M$Win. That think comes in VERY handy for copy/pastig data between windows
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01:45<Xodiac13>i need help on getting sound for zsnes
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01:46<Xodiac13>i have looked on the forums and it said do dl the lib files and mess with my volume and i still dont have sound
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03:12<bokuno_t>i get "Reading package lists... Error!
03:12<bokuno_t>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
03:12<bokuno_t>E: Error occurred while processing timer-applet (NewVersion1)
03:12<bokuno_t>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages
03:12<bokuno_t>E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened."when i try to use apt-get update.
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03:13<cahoot>bokuno_t: see /msg dpkg dynamic mmap
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03:23<bokuno_t>and now i get another wrong message "There is no public key available for the following key IDs:"
03:24<bokuno_t>when i try to use "apt-get update"
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03:32<gsimmons>bokuno_t: Please provide the complete output for your command, along with the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file, at a paste site.
03:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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04:02<echo>anyone use LXDE?
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04:05<lethias>Anyone have phpbb3 setup that knows how to setup a folder for avatars?
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04:09<aardvarX>LXDE here!
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04:14<wooj>ugh vlc 1.0.0 is evil
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04:16<bartm>!seen anibal
04:16<dpkg>bartm: i haven't seen 'anibal'
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04:17<fsateler>wooj: why?
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04:19<wooj>fsateler, every time I run ./configure it stops on another dev package I have to install
04:19<wooj>so then I install it, and run ./configure again
04:19<wooj>I'm on my 9th or 10th run ;)
04:20<fsateler>wooj: might be of help
04:20<wooj>Oh. I feel silly.
04:21<echo>LXDE is swift, I like LXDE more than Gnome.
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04:21<fsateler>and, of course, ./configure --help will tell you what dependencies it looks for
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04:21<bartm>echo: lightweight? looks good?
04:21<echo>It looks like windows interface
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04:22<aardvarX>echo, it really speeds things up the way i like it
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04:22<bartm>echo: which browser fits lxde ? I'd like to install lenny with desktop software on a pentium 100 :)
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04:22<echo>wow, pentium 100, you're really pushing to the limit
04:22<bartm>echo: yea :)
04:23<echo>Opera is the best browser on these old computers.
04:23<bartm>isn't opera non-free ?
04:23<echo>Opera is totally free.
04:23<wooj>I find firefox faster than opera on my eeepc (Celeron 900mhz)
04:23<wooj>Opera is 'free' but not open source.
04:23<bartm>i'd expect something dfsg, and I don't think opera is in section main
04:24<echo>Yea, opera is not open source.
04:24<bartm>wooj: would firefox fit that pentium 100 ? :)
04:24<wooj>oh heavens no
04:24<wooj>links-gui ?
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04:24<bartm>lynx is so old-school :)
04:24<echo>I am using IBM T22. P3 896mhz. Opera is faster than firefox 3.5 b4 in this machine
04:25<aardvarX>dillo would be about the fastest
04:25<bartm>echo: I try hard to avoid non-dfsg-free software
04:25<bartm>dillo? ok thanks for the hint
04:25<wooj>ugh dillo is ugly
04:25<wooj>try epiphany maybe
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04:26<bartm>tried epiphany, it pulled in too many dependencies so the hard disk was full :)
04:26<wooj>yeah I only have a 4gb SSD
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04:27<bartm>I guess my pentium 100 can still serve as a firewall with nat
04:27<bartm>wooj: 4 gig is plenty space :)
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04:28<echo>oh, then try Galeon
04:28<aardvarX>wooj get a memory card for that thing :)
04:28<bartm>right galeon, I've been using that some time ago, I could try that
04:29<wooj>aardvarX, I have a 500gb HD hooked up via USB, for downloads and my home dir, but all my /usr is on the 4gb
04:29<echo>Galeon use Gecko, and it's open source. It's light and swift.
04:29<echo>Swiftfox is better than firefox.
04:29<bartm>good hint thanks
04:30<aardvarX>wooj, i would stick minimal with lxde on that thing
04:30<wooj>I have lxde, yes
04:30<vkramar>Anybody knows an elegant way to allow a standard user (without root access) to make updates? On Lenny.
04:30<aardvarX>crontab maybe
04:31<wooj>at least once I get vlc built I can remove all these dev packages...
04:32<bartm>vkramar: what kind of updates?
04:33<wooj>is there a simple idiot proof way for me to pack my vlc 1.0.0 into a .deb ?
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04:33<vkramar>bartm: regular updates of system - something like "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade"
04:35<vkramar>i made a quick and dirty hack via sudo (NOPASSWD for those 2 commands) and a short shell script
04:35<bartm>vkramar: yes see "man sudo"
04:35<aardvarX>wooj, but you would have to have root access, and you would want to watch it update.
04:35<bartm>vkramar: sudo is a way to give extra root-permissions to normal users without giving the root password
04:36<vkramar>bartm: yeah, i know
04:36<vkramar>my solution works fine, but i'm searching for something a bit eye-candy... you know... ;-)
04:36<wooj>eh I'll just use Stow.
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04:39<aardvarX>bartm, you could use update-manager update-notifier
04:40<bartm>aardvarX: ?
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04:41<aardvarX>update-manager is a gnome app though
04:41<vkramar>aardvarX: but update-manager askes for a root password
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04:42<aardvarX>does it? i thought you could gksudo it
04:42<vkramar>i already tried this way...
04:43<vkramar>but! maybe i can try to add an entry to /etc/sudoers and run update-manager with sudo...
04:44<aardvarX>you could probably run it that way without using a password even
04:44<vkramar>i was worried of updates of update-manager, because i was running it via changed update-manager.destop file...
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04:44<vkramar>but if make a special shortcut in Xfce menu...
04:44<bartm>aardvarX: I think you were talking to vkramar, right ?
04:45<aardvarX>ill talk to anyone that will listen :P
04:47<aardvarX>vkramar, why dont you use the root password anyway
04:47<vkramar>aardvarX: it
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04:48<vkramar>aardvarX: i don't want to give this user any other administration rights
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04:49<aardvarX>sounds like sudo would be the way to go, you could give him rights to the update manager with no password.
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04:52<vkramar>aardvarX: YES! This is the right way. Now it works perfect. :-) Thanks for pointing me the right way.
04:53<aardvarX>cool :O)
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04:57<bokuno_t>anyone know howto install build-essential in debian 4?
04:58<vkramar>aardvarX: And changing Exec line in /usr/share/applications/update-manager.destop and then running dpkg-divert --divert /usr/share/applications/ /usr/share/applications/update-manager.desktop makes it even better.
04:59<bartm>bokuno_t: doesn't apt-get work for that ? I'm not sure whether I understand the question
05:00<bokuno_t>apt-get show a very long wrong message.
05:00<bokuno_t>Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
05:00<bokuno_t>Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or libc-dev
05:00<locklace>bokuno_t: paste your sources.list
05:00<bartm>bokuno_t: it seems that you're mixing multiple dists of Debian
05:01<aardvarX>vkramar, and then probably in sudoers give it something like 'johndoe update-manager:nopasswd'
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05:02<vkramar>aardvarX: yeah, it's already done: patrik ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/update-manager
05:02<bartm>bokuno_t: are you familiar with "apt pinning" ? that is useful when mixing multiple dists
05:02<bokuno_t>but these is a new setup debian 4
05:02<bartm>bokuno_t: ok please do what locklace requested: show us /etc/apt/sources.list
05:03<bokuno_t>deb etch main non-free
05:03<bokuno_t>deb-src etch main non-free
05:03<bokuno_t>deb etch/updates main contrib
05:03<bokuno_t>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
05:03<bartm>bokuno_t: four lines ?
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05:03<bartm>bokuno_t: try this: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
05:04<bokuno_t>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
05:04<bartm>bokuno_t: (better use a near mirror instead of, but that's not the problem right now)
05:04<bartm>bokuno_t: ok now try to install build-essential again
05:05<bokuno_t>same wrong message
05:05<bartm>bokuno_t: apt-get install build-essential
05:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
05:05<bartm>dpkg: yea yea :)
05:05<dpkg>bartm: no idea
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05:07<bokuno_t> complete wrong message
05:09<bartm>bokuno_t: do you have a file named /etc/apt/preferences ?
05:09<bartm>bokuno_t: and please show us the output of this: apt-cache policy build-essential
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05:11<bartm>bokuno_t: ?
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05:12<bokuno_t>there is no file named "/etc/apt/preferences"
05:12<locklace>bokuno_t: two thoughts: 1, add a different mirror and redo the update/upgrade; 2, try to install libc-dev and g++ directly
05:13<bartm>locklace: good advice I think
05:13<bokuno_t>already tryed a lot of different mirror
05:13<bartm>bokuno_t: is your system a fresh installation of etch, or did you upgrade from something older?
05:14<bokuno_t>get same wrong message when try to install them directly
05:14<bartm>bokuno_t: show us the message please (it cannot be identical)
05:14<bokuno_t>its a fresh install system
05:14<locklace>why are you doing a fresh install of etch and not lenny anyway
05:14<bartm>not having a file named /etc/apt/preferences is OK
05:15<bartm>locklace: good idea, however besides the point, isn't it
05:16<bartm>bokuno_t: what happens when you type this: apt-get dist-upgrade
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05:17<bokuno_t> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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05:17<locklace>judd versions libc6
05:17<judd>locklace: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-13
05:18<locklace>there is some etch/lenny confusion somewhere
05:18<bartm>locklace: yes that's it
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05:18<locklace>either you have a broken mirror or (more likely) something you did earlier hosed your system
05:19<aardvarX>did you ever run dist-upgrade?
05:19<gsimmons>bartm, locklace: bokuno_t previously stated issues concerning "dynamic mmap" and "no public key" a few hours earlier.
05:19<bartm>aardvarX: see above, asked that already :)
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05:20<locklace>my guess is he had a lenny mirror online at some point and installed some packages from it
05:21<bartm>locklace: yes that might be it, maybe "dpkg -l" could reveal that
05:21<bokuno_t>so how can i fix it?
05:21<kikokos>i have a question about lastfm...
05:21<locklace>bokuno_t: upgrade to lenny or reinstall
05:21<bartm>bokuno_t: are you willing to dist-upgrade to lenny ? then this might fix this
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05:22<jeremiah>Why would a source package build a binary with a different version number? Isn't this a policy violation?
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05:22<Lat>I'm building a .deb and I'm getting "dpkg-genchanges: not including original source code in upload dpkg-buildpackage: binary and diff upload (original source NOT included)" I used to get that the source would be included
05:22<kikokos>could anybody tell me why when i listen music lastfm doesn't show this icon next to my avatar?
05:22<kikokos>i use exile
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05:22<overlordlaharl>hi, im having some problem with my WUSB54Gv4 WIFI adaptor: it can see my WPA2 network but cannot connect. Anyone help lease?
05:22<Ganneff>jeremiah: its valid to do so and there ar sometimes reasons for it. but not very many, its not a common thing
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05:23<bartm>locklace, bokuno_t confirmed, libc6 is 2.7-18 on bokuno_t's system
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05:23<kikokos>it's mistake of music app or lastfm serv?
05:23<bartm>bokuno_t: edit /etc/apt/sources.list replacing etch by lenny, and do this: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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05:24<locklace>might want to upgrade apt/dpkg/aptitude first
05:24<bartm>bokuno_t: that is, if you want lenny
05:24<bartm>bokuno_t: other solution, as locklace said, is reinstalling etch, if you would want that
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05:25<Lat>anyone knwos why the source isnot be included?
05:26<bartm>Lat: versions xx.yy-1 have default the .orig.tar.gz included, xx.yy-2 and higher default not
05:27<bartm>Lat: to include the .orig.tar.gz try this: pbuilder build --debbuildopts '-sa' package.dsc
05:27<Lat>ahhh, thank you bartm
05:27<bartm>Lat: that is, if you use pbuilder
05:27<overlordlaharl>can anyone assist me?
05:27<bartm>overlordlaharl: lots to explain
05:28<overlordlaharl>i don't mind
05:28<locklace>overlordlaharl: if you're using wpa_supplicant, paste its config and the output of running it with -dd during the period it's trying to connect
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05:30<jeremiah>Ganneff: Okay, so it is not a policy violation. Good to know. It is being done for gcc apparently, why would one do it this way?
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05:30<overlordlaharl>how do i check the output of wpasupplicant? (sorry, im only 1 month into the Linux world...jumped to debian after trying out Fedora 10)
05:30*bartm is looking up his notes about wpa2...
05:31<Lat>I'd make sure the card is being loaded
05:31<Lat>paste iwconfig
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05:31<overlordlaharl>iwconfig: command not found
05:32<bartm>overlordlaharl: what exactly did you mean by "it can see my WPA2 network but cannot connect" ?
05:32<bartm>overlordlaharl: I mean, exact commands and exact output
05:32<overlordlaharl>as in, when i click on KNetworkManager it shows up the list of available wireless networks
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05:32<overlordlaharl>but when i select my network, it just refuses to connect
05:32<Lat>ah, k, the card is working
05:33<bartm>Lat: not neccessarily
05:33<Lat>o.o really? k
05:33<Lat>is the router MAC protected?
05:33<bartm>Lat: it's possible that the card can do unencrypted connections only, so then the driver is to be replaced
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05:34<overlordlaharl>no, the only security on the router is my WPA2 encruption
05:34<bartm>overlordlaharl: so your kde gui network tool can see the router
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05:34<overlordlaharl>i don't think its the card, because the thing works fine on Fedora and Ubuntu
05:34<overlordlaharl>bartm: yep, it can see my router
05:35<overlordlaharl>im on KDE 3.5 by the way
05:35<Lat>power reset the router for 10secs?
05:35<bartm>overlordlaharl: did you configure the wpa2 network on your computer for this card to connect to the router?
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05:36<overlordlaharl>bartm: it has already been done previously. i mean, on distros like openSUSE, Fedora 10 and Ubuntu 8.10, the WUSB54Gv4 connects fine
05:36<overlordlaharl>it's just Debian (and PCLinuxOS) where it refuses to work
05:36<bartm>overlordlaharl: I believe you that the card works fine, but have you configured wpa2 on your computer on Debian ?
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05:37<bartm>overlordlaharl: it's not clear to me why it would work on ubuntu and not on debian
05:37<overlordlaharl> configure, do you mean setting up /etc/network/interfaces ?
05:37<bartm>overlordlaharl: yes :)
05:38<overlordlaharl>well, i followed the instructions from the debian wiki and this is my config:
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05:38<overlordlaharl>iface lwan inet dhcp
05:38<overlordlaharl>wpa-ssid <name of SSID>
05:38<bartm>overlordlaharl: lwan or wlan ?
05:38<overlordlaharl>wpa-psk <passkey>
05:39<overlordlaharl>sorry, wlan0
05:39<bartm>overlordlaharl: did you try ifdown wlan0 and ifup wlan0 while looking at /var/log/syslog ?
05:40<overlordlaharl>yep, i tried those just now
05:40<bartm>no errors?
05:40<overlordlaharl>lots of it actually
05:40<bartm>overlordlaharl: good :)
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05:40<bartm>overlordlaharl: now you have an opportunity to improve your system :)
05:41<overlordlaharl>let me post the output here, if its fine with you all
05:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
05:41<bartm>thank you gene simmons :)
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05:44<overlordlaharl>but the ironic thing is, im using another wireless usb adaptor to connect to the WPA2 network and it works fine...
05:44<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: Line 2 is the issue right there. Please provide your interfaces file, with the PSK removed.
05:45<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: The output of "ifup -v wlan0" would be considerably more useful too.
05:45<overlordlaharl>ok, give me some time to prepare everything
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05:47<Lat>mine without hot peppers, pls
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05:49<overlordlaharl> output of /etc/network/interfaces
05:49<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: wpa-ssid, not wpa2-ssid.
05:50<overlordlaharl>ok, i'll make that change.
05:50<overlordlaharl>here's the output of ifup -v wlan0
05:50<bartm>gsimmons: removing wpa-psk may require changes on the router, I think. anyhow, I use wpa2 with wpa-psk in /etc/network/interfaces
05:51<gsimmons>bartm: That was just to prevent a PSK disclosure in the paste.
05:52<bartm>gsimmons: at some point I understood that you suggested to remove wpa-psk from /etc/network/interfaces, so maybe overlordlaharl might be confused about this too
05:52<bartm>gsimmons: maybe just me :)
05:52<overlordlaharl>well, it doesn't matter to me whether you have my psk or not ;)
05:53<Lat>doesn't he said he was another nic working right now? so he should have wlan0 and wlan1
05:53<overlordlaharl>just some information: my security is WPA2 Personal, AES
05:53<bartm>Lat: true
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05:54<overlordlaharl>well, no, wlan1 just worked immediately when i plugged it in
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05:54<Lat>so another iface wlan1 should be there
05:54<overlordlaharl>i didnt do any config for wlan1
05:55<bartm>overlordlaharl: how can wlan1 connect to the router with wpa2 without any config ?
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05:55<overlordlaharl>bartm: don't ask, it just wroked like that. i also have no diea why
05:55<Lat>both nicks are USB, right?
05:55<overlordlaharl>yep, both are USB
05:56<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: Run ifup again after making the amendment.
05:56*bartm gotta go
05:56<Lat>k, so no /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules needed
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05:56<Lat>um, so, knetwork can see the router because wlan0 is working
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05:57<Lat>but, can wlan1 see the router?
05:57<overlordlaharl>yep, wlan1 can see it as well
05:57<Lat>aight, so if you want both cards to work, then you need to add wlan1 in /etc/ne../interfaces
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05:58<Lat>bc you want to fix #
05:58<Lat>run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
05:58<Lat>There is already a pid file /var/run/ with pid 4143
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06:02<overlordlaharl>output of ifup -v wlan0 after changes have been made:
06:02<overlordlaharl>looks like the same problem :(
06:04<Lat>k, now, can the dhcp server give more than 1 ip?
06:04<Lat>power reset the router always work for me when dhcp won't work :P
06:05*Lat uses a old linksys BEFSR41 V3, tho
06:05<overlordlaharl>i don't think so...because i actually power rest the router before i came to this chatroom
06:06<stuckey>Anyone know what it means when you've an error in rtorrent that says "input is not a valid torrent"? I'm pretty sure I have a valid torrent.
06:07<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: Verify you don't have wpa2-psk set either (should be wpa-psk). Is network-manager still running?
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06:08<overlordlaharl>yes, it is set to wpa-psk, and yea, network-manager is still running
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06:10<overlordlaharl>i dont want to throw in the towel so soon, because there is something about Debian which i really like
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06:13<Lat>I know this isn't m$, but I'd reboot just to sort it out
06:13<overlordlaharl>this is a screenshot of my knetworkmanager, showing all the SSIDs clearly:
06:13<overlordlaharl>tried rebooting already T.T
06:13<overlordlaharl>its almost as if Debian hates my Linksys adaptor
06:14<Lat>I don't use knetwork, tho
06:15<overlordlaharl>or should i use something else, like say, wicd?
06:15<Lat>I only use knemo to see if it connected or not
06:15<Lat>since /etc/network/interface should tell the nic what ssid to connect to
06:15<Lat>unless you use roaming connections, and that's another story. Which is what I use two
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06:16<Lat>!s two too
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06:17<overlordlaharl>awww...pity...i still cant get it to work :(
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06:18<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: It appears wlan0 is being managed by NM. Restart it (e.g. invoke-rc.d network-manager restart), then ifup -v wlan0.
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06:19<overlordlaharl>so i enter invoke-rc.d network-manager restart in the konsole?
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06:31<overlordlaharl>didnt work at all
06:32<overlordlaharl>i think i'll just have to go back to Fedora and hope for the next version of Debian to support it then :(
06:32<overlordlaharl>that or use a lan cable
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06:35<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: The WUSB54Gv4 is supported (WRT Debian 4.0r4 and 5.0) just fine. I own one of these devices myself.
06:35<overlordlaharl>yeah, i know, but i dont understand why i cannot get it to work even after restarting network-manager T.T
06:36<overlordlaharl>maybe i should remove my D-Link and try again?
06:36<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: Because the WPA is (for some reason) failing to be daemonized. Please pastebin your current interfaces file.
06:36<gsimmons>s/WPA/WPA supplicant/
06:37<overlordlaharl>sorry, what's the path again?
06:37<Lat>if I may suggest how I have it working
06:37<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: /etc/network/interfaces
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06:40<overlordlaharl>here you go:
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06:41<overlordlaharl>but i dont understand why my D-Link can connect to it instantly through network-manager
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06:43<Lat>why there's no wlan1 in that file?
06:43<gsimmons>Lat: It's being managed through NM.
06:43<overlordlaharl>because wlan1 has been automatically configured by knetwork-manager?
06:43<Lat>no "iface lo inet loopback"?
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06:45<azeem_>overlordlaharl: did you check syslog while it tries to connect?
06:45<azeem_>overlordlaharl: I assume you enter a password, and then n-m just keeps on trying to connect but times out?
06:46<overlordlaharl>yes, that was until i restarted knetwork manager, and now, wlan0 does not appear in nm anymore
06:47<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: That's expected, as you have this interface referenced in /e/n/i.
06:48<overlordlaharl>yeah, this is the lastest results of ifup -v wlan0:
06:48<azeem_>overlordlaharl: is that your real passphrase?
06:49<overlordlaharl>30031984? yeah
06:49<azeem_>overlordlaharl: what does dpkg -l network-manager | tail -1 say?
06:49<Lat>#No DHCPOFFERS received.
06:49<Lat>#No working leases in persistent database - sleeping
06:49<Lat>looks like a table reset is needed
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06:51<azeem_>Lat: a what?
06:51<Lat>power reset of the router
06:51<azeem_>it can just as well mean that the passphrase was not accepted
06:52<Lat>doesn't line 13 say it was accepted?
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06:52<Lat>or it says that it was sent suceful?
06:52<azeem_>I don't know wpasupplicant/WPA enough to tell
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06:52<azeem_>but I guess it's worth a try
06:53<gsimmons>Lat: No, that's just configuring parsing.
06:53<azeem_>overlordlaharl: do you have control over the router?
06:53<overlordlaharl>azeen: yea, why?
06:53<azeem_>12:49 < Lat> power reset of the router
06:53<azeem_>overlordlaharl: also, 12:47 < azeem_> overlordlaharl: what does dpkg -l network-manager | tail -1 say?
06:53<Lat>azeem_, I was thinking that he only have 1 dynamic ip config'ed or MAC protected, too
06:54<azeem_>well, it worked with other Linux distros
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06:54<azeem_>overlordlaharl: personally, I suspect an issue with your passphrase and its hashing
06:54<Lat>has both card worked at the same time in other distros?
06:54<azeem_>wait, both cards?
06:55<Lat>yes, he said two cards
06:55<overlordlaharl>yeah, in OpenSUSE, Fedora, Ubuntu and Mandriva 2009, both cards cam connect to the same router simul
06:55<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: At least wpa_supplicant is now able to start. You can add 'wpa-debug-level 1' to /e/n/i, then ifdown/ifup again. wpa_supplicant activity will be logged to /var/log/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.log.
06:55<overlordlaharl>DreamLinux also works, but not very stable
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06:56<overlordlaharl>and of course, both work in Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 RC as well
06:56<overlordlaharl>ok, let me try that
06:57<Lat>so, why you don't go like "I reset everything a min ago, and it didn't work. IN YOUR FACE, LAT"
06:58<overlordlaharl>do i need to put in the inverted commas for the wpa-debug?
06:58<Lat>at least that's what works when I was messign with ndiswrapper and native bcm43xx
06:58<gsimmons>overlordlaharl: No.
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07:01<overlordlaharl>there are over 1000 lines in that log T.T
07:01<Lat>other suggestion /etc/init.d/hal restart ; /etc/init.d/udev/restart ; /etc/init.d/networking restart
07:01<azeem_>dbus restart
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07:01<Lat>yeah, why not
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07:01<Lat>!seen *kelmo*
07:01<dpkg>i haven't seen '*kelmo*', Lat
07:02<overlordlaharl>i'll just grab the latest message off the log
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07:05<Lat>could you paste iwconfig ?
07:05<azeem_>overlordlaharl: what are actually doing right now?
07:05<azeem_>overlordlaharl: using n-m or e/n/i?
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07:05<overlordlaharl>my D-link is on n-m which i am using now
07:05<overlordlaharl>im trying to get my Linksys to work, somehow
07:06<overlordlaharl>or should i just kill knetworkmagaer
07:06<azeem_>I don't know
07:07<azeem_>were you able to use both with n-m on FC10?
07:07<Lat>I'd say kill knetwork and put wlan0 and wlan1 in interfaces
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07:07<azeem_>OTOH, FC10 uses n-m 0.7 AFAIK
07:07<overlordlaharl>how about Lenny?
07:08<azeem_>as does Ubuntu 8.04
07:08*Lat uses sid, so idk
07:08<overlordlaharl>so should i go back to Fedora then? :(
07:09<overlordlaharl>i'll miss Debian's massive repos T.T
07:09<azeem_>overlordlaharl: did I say that?
07:09<azeem_>overlordlaharl: I'm just saying it might be that Debian's n-m cannot handle two active wlans at the same time
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07:10<overlordlaharl>just prior to that, without the D-link the Linksys was also not able to connect
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07:11<overlordlaharl>i even physically removed the D-link, turned off knetworkmanager and the Linksys still does not connect
07:11<azeem_>how would it connect without n-m?
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07:12<overlordlaharl>sorry, ttyl, dinner
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07:14<Lat>azeem, I don't use any n-m
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07:41<fabiim>how can i get vlc to work on lenny?
07:42<locklace>install it and run it
07:43<fabiim>yah , but it doesn't run xvid and divx , only play's the sound of these videos
07:44<fabiim>i tried some magic from some websites , but then i upgrade the system now i have broken packages and vlc doesn't work again
07:47<locklace>if you give me the link for some thing you're trying to view i'll see if it works here
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07:48<amphi>fabiim: install ffmpeg, libxvidcore, libx264 etc. perhaps
07:48<amphi>fabiim: and don't install weird crap from the 'tubes ;)
07:49<locklace>damn the tubes
07:49<fabiim>tubes ?
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08:37<sunoano>hm ... seems to be down
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08:38<abrotman>sunoano: which URL? seems fine here
08:39<sunoano> for example
08:39<abrotman>works fine here
08:39<sunoano>hm, I see
08:40<abrotman>would you like a mirror perhaps ?
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08:41<sunoano>that one works, thank you
08:42<abrotman>though is a round-robin .. so maybe i just got lucky
08:43<sunoano>hehe, crossed my mind too :)
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09:03<davehunn>hi i am having some problems with a debian lenny upgrade.
09:03<davehunn>the machine has software raid5 and about 50% of the way t
09:03<davehunn>through etch -> lenny
09:04<davehunn>became VERY slow with all IO tacking a very long time
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09:04<davehunn>the machine has 5 scsi 10k disks and 4 Gb of ram
09:05<davehunn>the reading database part of dpkg takes over 2 mins
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09:06<locklace>can you gather some more info about the system, e.g. what processes are running when this is happening, what states they're in, whether all i/o is affected, output of "dstat" or similar during the time, etc
09:06<locklace>what kernel version, how much mem is used, are you swapping at all
09:07<davehunn>locklace: kernel Linux ogwen 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Mon May 11 19:00:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
09:07<davehunn>Linux 2.6.26-2-686 (ogwen) 05/30/09
09:07<davehunn>avg-cpu: %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle
09:07<davehunn> 0.56 0.00 8.31 36.94 0.00 54.19
09:07<davehunn>Device: tps Blk_read/s Blk_wrtn/s Blk_read Blk_wrtn
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09:08<dr|z3d>!tell davehunn about paste
09:09<davehunn>top says there is asome swap in use bu i can not see what ius using it as very little is running on the machine at the moment
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09:09<dr|z3d>davehunn: aptitude install htop might help.
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09:11<davehunn>dr|z3d: htop shows 1 cpu red and a small amount of red swap
09:11<davehunn>one cpu at 100%
09:12<dr|z3d>davehunn: You should be able to see where the swap's being used.
09:12<davehunn>dr|z3d: not sure how to do that. When sorted by memory everything is pretty small
09:13<davehunn>the bigest is dpkg at 0.1%
09:14<dr|z3d>You want to see swap use. So sort by VIRT, not RAM.
09:16<davehunn>dr|z3d: there is a few openldaps with 242m virtual
09:16<davehunn>is there any way of seeing what kernel task is using 100% of one of the CPU's ?
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09:19<famelix>quero atualizar meu brlix como fasso
09:19<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:20<davehunn>ok stopped openldap, nfs, exim and mailman
09:20<davehunn>still cant take the swapoff
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09:24<davehunn>ps axl gives:
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09:24<davehunn>with 4 gigs of ram I can not turn off swap !
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09:26<dr|z3d>davehunn: Google around for "swappiness".. changing that might help.
09:26<dpkg>i guess swappiness is A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swapiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache.
09:27<davehunn>dr|z3d: not to bothered about having swap to be honest. Would just like a machine that isnt spending most its time in IO waite
09:27<davehunn>ill give it a try though ..
09:28<dr|z3d>Swappiness determines how Linux swaps out application memory to ram.. you can use that to force Linux to use more ram, and swap less.
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09:33<davehunn>dr|z3d: thanks, I understand that but I should have cache instead of swap right ?
09:33<davehunn>i.e. if something gets swapped out I should get some cache instead
09:33<davehunn>at the moment I have no free ram or cache but a small amount of stuff in swap
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09:34<davehunn>but the contents of swap are bigger than whats running on the machine (I think(
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09:37<davehunn>dr|z3d: I have 3627904 of ram being used by: 1 apt-get upgrade, 3 sshd and 3 bash's and htop
09:37<davehunn>that cant be right !
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09:39<dr|z3d>Read that article I posted, davehunn.. it's pretty helpful.
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09:47<davehunn>dr|z3d: it is but it doesnt explain why my server is doing all that swapping when its in single user mode !
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10:15<crowd1>I am trying to mount an external usb drive as a normal user with no success
10:15<crowd1>any idea ?
10:15<bja>crowd1: on your fstab add the line you want to use for the external diskc and add the user pragma
10:16<crowd1>bja: ye but i want to mount it as a normal user not as a root
10:17<crowd1>what do you mean by user pragma ?
10:17<weasel>crowd1: try pmount
10:17<bja>crowd1: 4th column, add the user option to your normal line that way
10:18<bja>crowd1: any user can mount it
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10:18<weasel>use pmount.
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10:19<luyi>HI ,guys.
10:19<luyi>i need help.
10:20<sepski>try lube
10:20<crowd1>thank bja i will try that
10:20<crowd1>weasel thank i will try that to :)
10:20<bja>crowd1: weasel gave you another option
10:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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10:21<crowd1>is there a way as a root to mount the disk so every user can see/use it ?
10:22<abrotman>luyi: english please
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10:24<crowd1>bja: is there a way as a root to mount the drive and let all users access it ?
10:24<luyi>I would like to set the display standby time, but no place to set up, to what packages you installed?
10:25<abrotman>luyi: set it where? Gnome? KDE? console?
10:25<bja>crowd1: take a look at fstab, the / partition and /home partition are accessed by every user, so i believe it can be done :D
10:26<luyi>abrotman, please
10:26<abrotman>System->Preferences->Power Management
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10:27<weasel>luyi: AND DO NOT SHOUT
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10:28<crowd1>bja: no what i mean is to load it without fstab, this is a USB disk so the device is changing according to the port i am connecting it
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10:28<luyi>abrotman, where are you?
10:29<bja>crowd1: pmount as weasel allready told you 3 times
10:29<bja>weasel: thx
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10:30<crowd1>hmmm i don't seem to have it i need to install
10:30<crowd1>thought i could use normal mount to do the job
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10:35<locklace>crowd1: you can, do what bja suggested but use a persistent id in the fstab entry
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10:39<crowd1>thank locklace
10:39<crowd1>bye all for now
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10:41<davehunn>commenting out the fstab for swap and rebooting has helped with with the IO problem
10:41<davehunn>its not happily going through the dist upgrade
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10:59<sylar>Iceweasel could not install this item because "install.rdf" (provided by the item) is not well-formed or does not exist. Please contact the author about this problem.
10:59<sylar> iceweasel -install-global-extension flashblock-1.5.10-fx.xpi
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11:01<abrotman>sylar: using unstable?
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11:02<bja>sylar: 32 or 64
11:02<sylar>and the flashblock I got from the firefox site
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11:02<sylar>32 arch wiht 64 kernel
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11:02<abrotman>oh .. the flashblock is broken
11:03<bja>sylar: I get a lot of segfaults from iceweasel on 64 bits,
11:04<sylar>maybe an older version of flashblock work?
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11:05<abrotman>bja: he just said he's using 32bit userland
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11:06<narcan>hi, what is equivalence of /usr/adm on Debian?
11:07<bremner_>narcan, is that where logs go? try /var/log
11:07<narcan>mhh I don't know maybe
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11:07<dr|z3d>narcan: /root/ ?
11:07<bremner_>well, what is /usr/adm then?
11:08<narcan>its for patch a man file example : /usr/adm/xferlog
11:09<narcan>the complete command is : awk '$9 ~! /incoming/ { print $9 }' < /usr/adm/xferlog
11:09<locklace>/usr/adm is largely an archaic version of /var/log
11:10<bremner_>locklace, ITYM Solaris :-)
11:10<bokuno_t>anyone know howto get last debian 4 image file?
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11:10<narcan>locklace: ok sure?
11:11<locklace>bremner_: just about all unix up til about 15 years ago
11:11<bokuno_t>anyone know howto get last debian 4 iso file?
11:12<bremner_>bokuno_t, please wait for an answer, we heard you
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11:14<bja>abrotman: At risk of sounding really stupid, what exactly are you telling me. You can have a 64 bit kernel and still be able to run 32 bit apps? Because if you can do that, it would make my life very easy.
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11:15<bokuno_t>anyone know howto get last debian 4?
11:16<bremner_>bokuno_t, ok, I'm ignoring you for a while
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11:18<bokuno_t>anyone know where can i get last debian 4?
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11:20<locklace>bja: sure
11:20<bja>locklace: how?
11:20<bja>locklace: a url will do
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11:22<locklace>bja: lots of ways, multilib, chroot, 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit arch install
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11:23<bja>locklace: yeap it sounded really stupid thx
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11:24<billsex_x>anyone know where i can get last debian 4?
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11:25<adb> last debian is 5
11:25<locklace>bokuno_t: adding clones to repeat your unintelligible question doesn't help your case
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11:29<billsex_x>thx for help
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11:38<Bsims>I am having problems getting konq to update application preferences I get this error konqueror(16535) FileTypesView::save: Entry "audio/mp3" is dirty. Saving
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11:51<user01>is there a debian equivalent package for texlipse?
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11:51<stuckey>Could anyone help me increase the size of my lvm?
11:52<user01>oh wait nevermind
11:52<user01>made it look like it was windows only
11:53<user01>its just eclipse plugin
11:54<user01>wow but eclipse is 309mb
11:54<user01>with other dependencies
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11:56<stuckey>I'm trying to extend the size of my LV but I get this error: Physical Volume "/dev/sda" not found in Volume Group "my_volume"
11:56<stuckey>How do I figure out what the name of the physical volume is?
11:57<ed_debian>the vol_id command?
11:57<ed_debian>something like that
11:57<locklace>stuckey: pvs
11:57<locklace>stuckey: not that you need it for lvextend
11:57<stuckey>oh okay, so that's the physical volume that I made into a LVP?
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11:58<stuckey>locklace: says you need it... How else would I have extened the volume then?
11:59<stuckey>Okay so it says that it extened it, but when I do "df -h" it still says it's the same size.
11:59<gsimmons>stuckey: You also need to resize the relevant filesystem.
11:59<locklace>stuckey: no it doesn't
12:00<stuckey>gsimmons: how do I do that?
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12:00<locklace>stuckey: and if you'd actually read the man page and howto about how to extend filesystems, your life and ours would be much easier
12:00<locklace>it's not as if you're trying to do something completely unanticipated in the lvm design, or that no one has ever done before
12:00<stuckey>locklace: I read the man page. I didn't know there was a how to.
12:01<bja>!beer locklace
12:01*dpkg pours a litre of Gulden Drak for locklace
12:01<locklace>stuckey: short version, run lvextend to extend the lv, then resize2fs to extend the filesystem into the additional space
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12:03<stuckey>So what do I just run resize2fs and then device name?
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12:04<locklace>man resize2fs
12:04<stuckey>It wasn't very helpful.
12:05<stuckey>I just did "resize2fs /dev/my_volume"
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12:06<stuckey>locklace: should this take a while?
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12:12<locklace>bja: i like to think of this as a bar. i'm the old bastard at the far end against the wall, drinking an endless series of pints of stout and comparing the customers with their more self-sufficient predecessors
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12:13<locklace>and weasel is another bastard with a black patch over one eye and a scratched-up .44 sitting on his knees
12:14<fxiny>guns are s*
12:15<locklace>abrotman is an austrian who needs a lot of beer before he starts having a good time, bja is the brightly-dressed spanish guy who keeps getting himself into trouble, and ml| is the friend who eggs him on
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12:17<ed_debian>who am i?
12:17<dr|z3d>ed_debian: /whois ed_debian
12:17<ed_debian>ha ha ha
12:18<locklace>and azeem is the bitter part-owner whose terrible childhood experiences have left him with a scarred face and a permanent frown beneath his bushy black eyebrows
12:18<locklace>just the way i see things. ymmv
12:19<bja>locklace: thx fot the brightly-dressed spanish guy, Stress comes from other parts, and this is somehow my escape channel, since I used to be the old bastard on the corner drinking and smoking endlessly
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12:23<ed_debian>Someone was just having trouble on the ubuntu channel and someone else told him that to give him self the ability to sudo he should add himself to the admin group. Is this the standard way of doing this? I thought you should edit /etc/sudoers?
12:23<bja>btw dr. said no more nicotine
12:24<bja>ed_debian: The end justify the means, either way will do the trick
12:24<ed_debian>bja, Ok. It seemed like a hack to me and I offended the guy on accident when I called it that lol
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12:26<ed_debian>Every once in a while my computer has mild heart-attack. Things get slow (particularly the mouse) and keyboard input. It lasts about 20 seconds and when it's done everytime without fail this is in my dmesg:
12:27<ed_debian>[ 3156.145068] wlan0: RX deauthentication from 00:12:17:08:ee:bf (reason=7)
12:27<ed_debian>[ 3156.145075] wlan0: deauthenticated
12:27<ed_debian>[ 3157.144063] wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:12:17:08:ee:bf
12:27<ed_debian>[ 3157.145703] wlan0: RX authentication from 00:12:17:08:ee:bf (alg=0 transaction=2 status=0)
12:27<ed_debian>[ 3157.145710] wlan0: authenticated
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12:27<ed_debian>I got booted lol
12:28<locklace>ed_debian: shut down your wireless and see if it still happens
12:28<ed_debian>I'll try that later...
12:28<ed_debian>locklace, Thanks locklace
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12:44<rufensis>Does anyone know a good command line tool for extracting audio from a cd and converting it to ogg or flac?
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12:49<rufensis>fxiny: abcde looks good. ever used sound juicer? do you know if that has command line options.
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12:51<fxiny>rufensis: no idea , never used sound juicer
12:52<fxiny>rufensis: the only gui thing i use is rezound
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12:54<rufensis>fxiny: thanks. i will try abcde.
12:55<fxiny>rufensis: np
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13:06<zeus>Hi all, i have a very old notebook (pentium3 700) that run in CLI only mode. Updating to debian 5.0.1 from debian 5.0 i've lost a tweak. How can i make my notebook able to startup and use 1024x768 screen resolution instead of 640x480 ? I remember someone here gave me a string to be added to the grub menu.lst. can any one help ?
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13:08<azeem>zeus: you have to add it to the line "# kopt=" not the "kopt=" lines
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13:09<ml|>zeus: vga=792
13:09<slay>привет друзья!
13:10<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
13:10<dr|z3d>zeus: If you prefer a gui, aptitude install startupmanager
13:10<zeus>bja: THANKS !!
13:11<slay> THANKS !!
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13:11<ml|>!beer bja
13:11*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for bja
13:12<bja>ml|: thx
13:12<bja>zeus: Make a copy of that file somewhere and use it for future reference
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13:12<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
13:12<bja>hey shuldn't we stuff him?
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13:13<ml|>it cycles
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13:44<drakeman_>nadeera, hi
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13:55<bja>Does anyone know of a native stock tracker for Debian?
13:56<bja>Meaning on the repos.
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13:57<fxiny>bja: wget , yahooquote , wget does it better
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13:57<fxiny>if yiou know how to wget yahoo
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13:58<bja>fxiny: I am using yahoo right now, but i need to do some analysis and jre no longer works with eclipsetrader
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13:58<rektide_>my user crontab doesnt seem to be getting run. i've added a line that should echo a simple string into a file every three minutes, but it never seems to run
13:59<rektide_>i have no idea what i can do to debug this
13:59<fxiny>bja: analysis ? perl can do any stock analysis
13:59<sylar>anyone has flashblock extension working with iceweasel?
13:59<dr|z3d>sylar: If Flashblock fails, try NoScript, perhaps.
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13:59<locklace>fxiny: being turing-complete, perl can do anything. the question is whether it should
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14:00*bja sees a monocle shine
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14:00<fxiny>locklace: perl does any stock analysis , is all about parsing csv files , nothing more and perl does is better and faster then any metastock crap
14:00<sylar>dr|z3d, I wonder what versions people that can run it have
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14:01<dr|z3d>sylar: You might just disable IceWeasel's compatibility checking.. could work.
14:02<dr|z3d>sylar: Disable extension compatibility checking: about:config -> right-click in page -> new -> boolean -> extensions.checkCompatibility -> false.
14:02<ml|>sylar: flashblock works here
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14:04<fxiny>bja: i believe ami can be run in wine
14:05<fxiny>bja: and , there was a qt very basic apps to display stocks graphs qttracker ? something like that
14:05<sylar>ml|, versions?
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14:06<ml|>iceweasel 3.09 and flashblock 1.5.10
14:06<sylar>mine is 2.0.0.x
14:07<sylar>ml|, backport?
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14:07<ml|>you in lenny?
14:07<bja>fxiny: ami?
14:07<ml|>judd versions iceweasel
14:07<judd>ml|: iceweasel -- etch: etch-security: lenny: 3.0.6-1 sid: 3.0.9-1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1
14:08<fxiny>bja: is a windoze app
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14:08<ml|>sylar: 2.0 is dead move up to 3.0
14:08<fxiny>bja: believe me , dig into perl and forget all those useless gui apps
14:08<sylar>ml|, mine is 3.0.6
14:09<sylar>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv: Gecko/2009032803 Firefox/ (Debian-3.0.6-1)
14:09<dr|z3d>3.10 is current.
14:09<sylar>is this
14:09<bja>fxiny: had a look at yahooquote right now, the graphics part is the one I'll have to figure out
14:09<sylar>means that it is firefox 2?
14:09<ml|>ah, but i use iceweasel
14:09<fxiny>bja: yiu wget the files you want and you run perl scripts on it , is all about math ,some very basic some advanced
14:09<dr|z3d>And end-of-line. (read: security issue).
14:10<ml|>purge that version and install 3.0
14:10<fxiny>bja: plotting ? gnuplot or quickplot , quickplot is easy
14:11<ml|>sylar: just use iceweasel
14:11<bja>fxiny: Then I'll look for the url to download the files
14:11<sylar>ml|, it is iceweasel, that is what it say in its help - > about
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14:12<fxiny>bja: you don't actyually want to plot anything , if you do plot you end up reading values which a perl script can display and sort at will
14:12<bja>fxiny: thx
14:12<ml|>oh 3.0 doesn't say firefox but iceweasel in help -> about
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14:12<locklace>bja: what kind of analysis are you looking to do
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14:13<fxiny>bja: try this : wget -q "<YOUR-TICKER-HERE"
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14:13<bja>locklace: bond evaluation , fibonacci fans and the sholes model
14:13<fxiny>bja: forget the < just YOUR-TICKER-HER
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14:14<fxiny>bja: yahooqotes sucks , wget can save all the files you want
14:14<locklace>ew, bonds. bond valuation is about as exciting as a mug full of lukewarm water
14:15<locklace>black-scholes is just plug in the parameters and get the answer, nothing interesting there either
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14:15<locklace>equity valuation is where it's at
14:15<bja>locklace: Then you extrapolate all that and give market news a weight in you eq to have a model that can predict the future valuation of the stock
14:15<fxiny>bja: also ,. there is a perl (locklace grinds) called quotemonster
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14:16<sylar>ml|, are you on lenny?
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14:16<ml|>no testing
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14:16<fxiny>bja: so you can grab the historics quotes and tell wget to append
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14:17<locklace>sure, the most important inputs for a good valuation model are the projected returns on capital and reinvestment rate over the next 5-10 years, and that's nothing but prediction
14:18<bja>and thats wherer the fun part is
14:18<fxiny>bond market ? i don't like it
14:18<bja>fxiny: And stock markets, not for the weak of heart
14:19<fxiny>bja: yeahhh , is all about thieves
14:19<bja>fxiny: A fundamental analysis /
14:20<bja>fxiny: A fundamental analysis (what locklace was talking about) is part of the equation, a good market analysis and feeling is what is mostly about.
14:20<fxiny>bja: is all about playing against computers programs
14:21<bja>fxiny: That is another agent on the market
14:21<fxiny>bja: i belive is the only one
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14:24<fxiny>bja: i do not belive there is a market at all : all transactions are controlled by programs . some programs are so smart to f* some banks programs up in a totally legal way , that is the only acceptable side of this s*
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14:25<fxiny>and perl is up to the task , and so is haskell ....
14:25<locklace>and bc
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14:25<fxiny>hahahah yeahhh i love bc
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14:27*bja finds a new toy to play "bc" hmmm
14:27<locklace>my favourite calc is actually calc
14:27<locklace>(the debian package is called apcalc)
14:28<bja>mines is hp12c The one on my desk is number 5
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14:30*bja finds yet another new toy "calc" and it has a library ohh wunderbar
14:30<locklace>it's on the power tools list for a reason
14:31<fxiny>wanna a weird calc ? Prelude> ...
14:31<dpkg>Top ten Unix power tools: <zsh>, <screen>, <vim>, <emacs>, <ssh>, <mutt>, <git>, socat, <busybox>, <rsync>. Honourable mentions: sdd, pax, <afio>, <gnupg>, (ap)calc, <irssi>, aria2, <w3m>, <perl>, <rtorrent>, dstat, <sox>.
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14:32<fxiny>wt4x ! perl in *only* Honourable ? change that damned factoid !
14:32<bja>guess i have emacs and zsh missing although i would change w3m with links2
14:32<fxiny>hahaha leave it yeahhh : there is no python :P
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14:33<fxiny>which means python is not even honourable :P
14:33<fxiny>perl rulez
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14:34<locklace>the only reason perl shows up is that it's in almost every default unix install nowadays and replaces the whole lot of sed/awk/cut/... stuff
14:34<bja>locklace: One more character to your picture?
14:34<Zbang>hello all. i need to downgrade my debian 5.0 to 4.0...
14:35<fxiny>so you think Larry Wall works at the nasa because google is too had for him ? :P
14:35<Zbang>can some1 help?
14:35<bja>Zbang: Easy way get a vm and do a fresh install there
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14:36<bja>Zbang: Downgrading is not usually supported
14:36<bja>Zbang: Although someone can prove me wrong
14:36<weasel>downgrading is not supported.
14:36<weasel>not at the package level and certainly not at the distribution level.
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14:39<bja>Does anyone have an objective comparison between sox mp3 and lame encoding?
14:40<Zbangy>i've got subversion running there. how could i back it up?
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14:46<fxiny>locklace: i am an ignorant perl user , i own perl some great emotions . perl in the hand of a monk is astonishing , is like a zen blade , a logic blade . this is the feeling perl can give to any average perl user
14:47<locklace>is there a doctor in the house
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14:50<deniz>is ext4 in squeeze ?
14:51<deniz>or just sid?
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14:51<fxiny>yes , there is a doctor , i've got one for you : Installed: 0.5DrLecter-2
14:52<bja>psychos on the loose?
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14:57<goldelite>deniz: It seems just sid, according to
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14:59<bja>locklace: Have you used calc for difference equations?
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15:00<locklace>nope, i just use it for simple things most of the time, if i need to do actual math i use something like maxima
15:01<deniz>goldelite, o thanks
15:02<locklace>although software isn't a lot of help for things like functional analysis and differential topology anyway
15:02<user01_>hmm i just picked up a logitech quickcam deluxe for notebooks for $25 is there a good howto to get it running in debian?
15:03<user01_>i thought 2.6.26 kernel has drivers for uvc
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15:05<ml|>dpkg: tell user01_ about webcam
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15:09<user01_>oh wow my entire screen went black when i did xawtv
15:12<user01_>hmmm if i go ctrl + alt + f4 then back to xwindows i can see myself
15:13<user01_>otherwise the screen is all black
15:13<user01_>the image isnt focused though
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15:17<abrotman>bja: did someone answer you?
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15:18<bja>abrotman: yes, i got my answear from locklace
15:18<bja>abrotman: Thanks a lot
15:19<abrotman>ok sorry iwas out playing in the sun
15:19<bja>I envy youi
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15:21<deniz>if my house has a router firewall as well as firestarter, can my isp see which websites i am visiting? if it can, can it find out which of its customers (me) is visiting?
15:21<deniz>in terms of links and websites etc
15:22<bja>deniz: Why do you think tor exists?
15:22<locklace>deniz: yes
15:22<ml|>yes they assign you an ip
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15:22<simonrvn>if you want 100% stealth, disconnect
15:23<bja>and don't forget to unplug
15:23<petemc>you can surf through a proxy
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15:23<deniz>bja, locklace, im not talking about downloads, i am talking about just regular usage, someone else is asking me this and id like to know the answer too
15:24<locklace>deniz: there is no difference between "downloads" and "regular usage"
15:24<deniz>locklace, well moblock can hide ur ip for bittorent downloads is what i meant
15:24<deniz>i wasnt reffering to http
15:24<Gathond>deniz: no it cant
15:25<deniz>Gathond, thhen what does moblock do?
15:25<abrotman>bja: tor only hides the sites, not hte bandwidth usage
15:25<Gathond>deniz: moblock is a list of specific IP's it will not allow you computer to connect to for torrents
15:25<deniz>Gathond, ok so then is the stuff you view sent as anynomous to your isp>?
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15:25<Gathond>deniz: any other torrent user you actually load data from will have your IP
15:25<Gathond>otherwise how would they send you the data
15:26<Gathond>(not including stuff like tor and other tunnels here)
15:26<Gathond>deniz: stuff you sent will never ne anynomous for you ISP, it will always contain addresses
15:26<deniz>ok but basically, can my isp see what me and other people do or is it sent to them as anonymous?
15:27<Gathond>note in the tor case the "address" will be the address of a random tor node
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15:27<deniz>Gathond, what is tor?
15:27<Gathond>what do you mean sent anonymous
15:27<deniz>like they cant identify which customer browses which sites
15:27<Gathond>deniz: a network for annoymiing data
15:27<Gathond>deniz: they can
15:27<bja>abrotman: Can you hide your bandwith usage?
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15:28<ml|>bja: that would a nice
15:28<deniz>Gathond, tor is something to make network anonymous?
15:28<abrotman>bja: from who? you rISP?
15:28<Gathond>deniz: the ISP is like the postoffice there, they will always be able to see the address of the letter/package
15:29<Gathond>deniz: it hides traffic to some extent
15:29<Gathond>deniz: your ISP would probably be able to conclude you use tor through
15:29<deniz>Gathond, why is it a problem if theyd conclude that? lol
15:29<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about tor
15:30<Gathond>deniz: depending on location encryption etc is illegal
15:30<deniz>Gathond, i live in canada
15:30<Gathond>deniz: in france to mention one (unless you give the state your encryption key so they can listen in)
15:30<deniz>Gathond, is it legal here? assuming, it is: tor will hide what I am doing from my isp?
15:30<dr|z3d>deniz: I2P is something else you might want to look at.
15:30<Gathond>deniz: depends on what you want to hide
15:31<Gathond>it will hide who you connect to and what you transfer
15:31<deniz>Gathond, so it will hide which websites you visit?
15:31<Gathond>it WILL however do so at a great penalty in bandwidth
15:31<Gathond>and response times
15:31<Txt_file1>Gathond: then the only way is to not use the internet
15:31<Gathond>Txt_file1: yes
15:32<deniz>Gathond, can you just answer this as a yes or no though please: does using tor hide the websites i am visiting from my isp?
15:32<Txt_file1>deniz: no
15:32<Gathond>deniz: yes
15:32<Gathond>deniz: to your ISP it would appear you connect to some random tor node
15:32<Gathond>at least that is if tor lives up to what they promise
15:32<deniz>Gathond, what is a tor node
15:32<Gathond>deniz: google tor
15:33<bja>deniz: Why don't you take a look at the tor website, I think youĺl see this more clear
15:33<ml|>deniz: read dpkg msg
15:33<Gathond>they probably explain their concept more accurately than I would be able to
15:34<bja>deniz: You can always go to #tor
15:34<dr|z3d>Yeah, ideally _after_ he's done some background reading. :)
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15:36<user01_>hmmm looks fine in amsn but doesnt seem to send video
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15:37<sylar>fixed that issue with iceweasel flashblock
15:37<sylar>turns out that the permissions on global installations are not allowing reading by users
15:37<sylar>and there was the problme
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15:38<ml|>sylar: good, but you should move to 3.0 for security raesons
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15:40<bja>dr|z3d: You always so grumpy, let the boy ask :D
15:41<dr|z3d>Me, grumpy? *locates his 9bore*
15:41*dr|z3d chuckles.
15:42<dr|z3d>What I can tell you bja is that #tor doesn't suffer fools gladly. Background reading is always a good idea, there. :)
15:42<oxymor00n>I'm trying to change my usplash-theme. I compiled a theme, created an alternative and changed the alternative to point to it, update-initrd'd and my kernel is still showing the old splashscreen... what am i missing?
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15:42<dr|z3d>oxymor00n: startupmanager? Might help with configuring your boot.
15:43<oxymor00n>dr|z3d: tried it, doesn't change anything, shows the old splash screen
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15:46<dr|z3d>oxymor00n: No idea, then. Maybe try plymouth, if you can get it working.. just a thought.
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15:47<oxymor00n>thanks anyway
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15:48<bja>dr|z3d: xD
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15:50<simonrvn>oxymor00n: are you using initramfs-tools or yaird for your initrd?
15:51<oxymor00n>simonrvn: initramfs-tools
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15:53<simonrvn>you should be using update-initramfs for starters
15:53<oxymor00n>simonrvn: yeah i did, update-initramfs -u
15:54<dr|z3d>I had a hunch that might be needed, but then, startupmanager _should_ do that.
15:55<oxymor00n>what would that be?
15:55<simonrvn>oxymor00n: i usually do update-initramfs -k all -u -v (just FYI)
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15:57<oxymor00n>simonrvn: ah thx... looks like it adds the right .o file. hm. i just don't get what the fuck's going on
15:57<simonrvn>hm, you said you were symlinking it right?
15:58<oxymor00n>simonrvn: yep, using the alternatives-system, i.e. adding an alternative and then updating it to reflect my change
15:59<oxymor00n> /usr/lib/usplash/ -> /etc/alternatives/ and /etc/alternatives/ -> /usr/lib/usplash/
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16:03<oxymor00n>i have an idea... brb
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16:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:09<Txt_file1>how can I tunnel X11 apps throught ssh? with 'ssh -X host xawtv' I get 'Error: Can't open display:'
16:09<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
16:10<Txt_file1>I tried thias
16:10<petemc>echo $DISPLAY
16:11<Txt_file1>makes no different
16:12<petemc>its meant to show you what the display variable is set to
16:12<Txt_file1>oh damn ... it shows nothing
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16:12<petemc>theres your problem
16:12<Txt_file1>good. and how can I get this solved
16:13<valdyn>Txt_file1: do what dpkg said
16:13<petemc>do you have xauth installed ?
16:14<Txt_file1>xauth is installed
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16:16<Txt_file1>valdyn: in /etc/ssh/ssd_config I have 'X11Forwarding yes' set and I connect with 'ssh -X host'
16:17<paggas>anyone else having problems with psi/testing lately? seems it broke after the upgrade to qt 4.5 or so
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16:19<amarc>what is right way to set date to local .. i can use date command but it gots restored after reboot?
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16:20<valdyn>!set the time
16:20<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
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16:28<bja>I leave with an image of a really big bar :)
16:28<bja>!beer everyone
16:28*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for everyone
16:28<grummund>humph. i had a reboot due to power brownout and now it seems X has max resolution of 800x600, anyone know what could be the cause?
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16:30<grummund>the machine is normally on 24/7 and reboots are rare, so perhaps something was apt-upgraded and only just took effect?
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16:31<Txt_file1>grummund: I have such stuff if I turn off my monitor and turn it on after X has been started
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16:32<grummund>Txt_file1: ah, ok. lemme try that
16:32<Supaplex>how do I list only the conffiles of a package? and how can tell which ones are different from the maintiner one?
16:34<grummund>Txt_file1: thanks! ;) Ctrl-Alt-Backspace fixed it.
16:35*grummund so glad he doesn't need to play with Xconfig
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16:37<Xodiac13>in clamav is there a way i can switch it to world wide instead of single use
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16:39<burnclouds>I have an MSi laptop that when I plugin headphones the main speakers donot mute any idea?
16:39<Xodiac13>i need help with clamav how do i switch it to world wide instead of single user
16:39<burnclouds>lspci | grep Audio
16:39<burnclouds>00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1)
16:39<valdyn>Xodiac13: depends on your mta
16:40<locklace>Supaplex: dpkg -e it and look at DEBIAN/conffiles i guess
16:40<Xodiac13>valdyn: what do you mean i am new to linux
16:40<dpkg>[mta] Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>.
16:41<Xodiac13>valdyn: am i good in single user
16:41<Supaplex>locklace: humm. packages are already installed
16:41<valdyn>Xodiac13: are you WHAT?
16:41<Xodiac13>valdyn: because it said if i was had a root password then use world wide its for clam av
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16:41<locklace>Supaplex: but might still live in /var/cache/apt/archives
16:42<valdyn>Xodiac13: i cant parse what you're writing
16:42<locklace>Supaplex: actually just look in /var/lib/dpkg/info
16:42<locklace>Supaplex: there will be a file called yourpackage.conffiles
16:42<Xodiac13>valdyn: i have clam av i just instealled it and it said do you want single user or world wide
16:43<valdyn>Xodiac13: i dont know what you want
16:43<Xodiac13>valdyn: i chose single user but really i needed world wide is there a difference
16:43<valdyn>Xodiac13: not if you are the only system user
16:43<Xodiac13>valdyn: i am the only system user so im good?
16:43<valdyn>Xodiac13: yes
16:44<Xodiac13>valdyn: o okay sorry about thank you
16:44<valdyn>Xodiac13: you dont need clamav anyway
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16:44<valdyn>Xodiac13: i guess it doesnt hurt to have it either
16:44<Xodiac13>valdyn: i know just in case because i love linux better then windows but i need to wait till the new laptop i have is supported vista takes to much memory
16:45<burnclouds>any help?
16:46<locklace>burnclouds: what kernel version
16:46<Xodiac13>if i could help i would
16:46<Xodiac13>im a newbie with linux
16:46<burnclouds>lspci | grep Audio
16:46<burnclouds>00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1)
16:46<burnclouds>uname -r
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16:47<locklace>burnclouds: driver update fixed that for me, maybe try newer kernel
16:48<burnclouds>is that not the latest in sid?
16:48<Xodiac13>in zsnes how do i use gedit to configure the sound i fiugured it out i just dont know the command
16:48<Supaplex>locklace: that's good. I suspect the only way to determine if a package has different conffiles, is to compare the lists, and the diffs etc between installed files, and extracted ones.
16:49<locklace>burnclouds: yes, you'll have to build a new one yourself
16:49<locklace>Supaplex: not clear on what you're trying to do exactly
16:49<locklace>burnclouds: it's a good exercise anyway
16:50<valdyn>Supaplex: if you just want to find changed conffiles - theres md5 sums of the originals stored iirc
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16:51<burnclouds>yeah, but every time i try I end up messing it up by selecting just the modules i need and i leave something out.
16:51<burnclouds>Is there a utility that will help me pick the essential modules?
16:51<locklace>burnclouds: figuring out what you need is the instructive part
16:52<Supaplex>valdyn: I don't find them in the md5sums files though. joe:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep -Ff backuppc.conffiles backuppc.md5sums | wc -l
16:52<locklace>burnclouds: lspci is pretty helpful. there are really only a few critical ones to make sure that e.g. you can boot
16:52<burnclouds>i'll try it and be back
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16:53<Supaplex>humm the good news is, I have backups of this in a tarball, thanks to the upgrade notes. :)
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16:56<banished>There is no debian-multimedia for etch and mipsel?
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17:19<eightyeight>hmm. gnome is hanging when logging in from gdm. nothing useful in /var/log/messages or /var/log/gdm/*.log. any ideas?
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17:21<maks_>If I want to create a binary package that works both on i686 and x86_64 architectures with dpkg-deb, what should I set the Architecture field in the control file to?
17:21<maks_>any? all?
17:21<maks_>Or nothing at all?
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17:27<locklace>maks_: make two packages
17:27<azeem>maks_: you can't
17:28<maks_>hmz. what happens if I specify 'all' then?
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17:28<azeem>maks_: the architecture field in the control file is for the source package
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17:28<azeem>maks_: all means binary independent
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17:28<azeem>e.g. perl scripts
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17:30<maks_>so then "all" would work, but would be too general?
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17:33<locklace>maks_: it would be wrong
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17:33<maks_>would leaving out the Architecture line be less wrong?
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17:35<locklace>maks_: what part of "make two packages" was not clear
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17:37<maks_>It was clear, but that wasn't really an answer to my question. :)
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17:39<locklace>maks_: it was, and if it wasn't sufficiently clear, see "you can't"
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17:40<maks_>But I think I can.
17:43<locklace>ok. we'll start calling you "the little engine"
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17:47<azeem>maks_: is this for a library or an end-user application?
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17:49<maks_>end-user application
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17:49<azeem>maks_: how will the user know which file to run?
17:50<maks_>the user just runs the application, which selects the right executable based on the output of uname -m
17:50<azeem>maks_: does it depend on any libraries?
17:50<hazard2>is there a package to generate a netbootable kernel?
17:51<maks_>azeem: yes, those are bundled.
17:51<azeem>maks_: which programming language?
17:52<maks_>the dynamic libraries are all C, I think.
17:52<azeem>so you bundle the libc as well=
17:52<maks_>no, of course not :)
17:52<azeem>how will you make sure the amd64 libc is installed in a ia32 system?
17:53<maks_>it doesn't need to be, because on an ia32 system you wouldn't execute the 64-bit binary.
17:53<stephenr82>guys im making a base system using debootstrap and booting it with my kernel in qemu, but when it boots it asks me for a login. How can I set this or change it
17:54<azeem>maks_: ok well
17:54<azeem>maks_: anyway, you can't
17:54<maks_>the main idea was to make it easy to provide as few packages as possible that work on a wide range as systems, to make it easy for not too knowledgable people to use it.
17:54<azeem>maks_: provide a Debian package repository then
17:54<maks_>(you'd be amazed at the fraction of Ubuntu users that don't know if they installed the 32-bit or 64-bit edition, for example)
17:55<azeem>the right architecture will automatically get installed
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17:55<maks_>that's not ideal, as this isn't a free software package.
17:56<azeem>I don't see how that is relevant
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17:56<maks_>I don't think Debian's package repositories support authentication?
17:56<azeem>sure they do
17:56<maks_>(in the sense of authenticating a user before allowing downloading of packages)
17:57<azeem>they don't do that
17:57<eightyeight>is gnome currently broken in sid?
17:57<maks_>and anyway, I think adding package repositories is even more to ask of a user :)
17:57<azeem>eightyeight: possibly; it's sid after all
17:57<eightyeight>azeem: naturally
17:57<azeem>maks_: well, then, you'll have to think up something else
17:57<eightyeight>azeem: but, that doesn't help
17:57<azeem>eightyeight: sorry
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17:58<maks_>azeem: I think I'll just test what happens without specifying the architecture. Thanks for the input anyway. :)
17:59<azeem>maks_: it'll fail
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18:03<maks_>it seems to work just fine though :)
18:03<maks_>not even a warning on installation.
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18:04<locklace>thanks for the bug report
18:05<azeem>maks_: does it work on the other architecture as well?
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18:07<maks_>Haven't tested it yet... I don't have a 64-bit Debian partition at the moment
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18:14<Apache2>hi all
18:15<Apache2>anyone know how to configure apache2
18:15<weasel>way to be specific
18:15*weasel can help here. "use vi"
18:15<azeem>Apache2: check /etc/apache2
18:15<Apache2>i know
18:15<Apache2>i checked
18:16<Apache2>but i don't know how to modify it
18:16<Apache2>i like to make a folder web for all user
18:16<weasel>read the documentation
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18:16<ed_debian>Apache2, Config files are almost always in /etc/packagename/someting.conf
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18:16<Apache2>like /home/*/public_html
18:16<weasel>that should work out of the box if you have the userdir module loaded
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18:17<Apache2>i search in google
18:17<Apache2>they say modify httpd.conf
18:17<Apache2>but there is nothing on it
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18:19<Gathond>Apache2: that does not directly apply to the debian apache2 installation, you should modify either apache2.conf (for general configuration) or add/edit some of the files in /etc/apache2/sites-available
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18:20<Gathond>finaly make them active with a2ensite
18:20<Apache2>i'll try
18:20<maks_>shouldn't you move stuff though?
18:20<maks_>from sites-available to sites-used or something?
18:21<maks_>(you should be able to look that up in httpd.conf anyway)
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18:24<Apache2>al ok thx
18:24<Apache2>the file is defaut
18:24<Apache2>Thank You Gathond
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18:25<Apache2>And All People here
18:25<Apache2>Bye Bye
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18:25<Gathond>maks_: a2ensite symlinks bewteen the two
18:25<Xodiac13>how do i use 7zip i used synaptics package manager to install it how do i get it running in terminal
18:25<Xodiac13>i have tried 7zip
18:26<Xodiac13>i just need to extract a 7z file
18:26<maks_>ah. you may be right; I'm just saying that just because a config file exists it might not be loaded, so check the main config to see which directories it loads stuff from
18:26<Xodiac13>how do i do that
18:26<Xodiac13>i am new to linux
18:27<maks_>7z x somefile.7z?
18:27<Xodiac13>okay i will try
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18:28<dr|z3d>fileroller should also unzip 7zip files.
18:28<dr|z3d>And other gui file managers also.
18:28<Xodiac13>thank you
18:28<Xodiac13>this one is working i really do apreciate the help
18:31<Xodiac13>i have another question i am using antix m8 and when i load the os everything seems to fine but before the os complety loads it shows files that needs .conf i first replaced the files with new one and then i reinstalled os thinking there is something wrong then installed of replacing i kept the local ones is my system still good i havent ran into any problems it was an update that i did
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18:49<Guest847>fc :( sry
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19:15<youbi>bonsoir tt l monde
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19:53<deniz>i was installing an .exe this whole time and i just checked with terminal and apparently wine is not installed on my system! (ive never gotten it from somewhere other than repositories)
19:55<matt7676>I installed GTA VC game under Debian. I have nVidia GF 8600 GTS graphicks card(drivers are nVidia 180.51) and 1024x768@85Hz CRT monitor. The problem is that when I start GTA VC, the refresh rate goes from normal 85Hz to 87Hz(interlaced) and the image qualityu is poor during gaming. Why does the refresh rate change when i start the game?
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20:15<brunner>what is the default naming scheme for serial ports?
20:15<brunner>my server only has one serial port
20:16<weasel>ttyS0 etc
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20:16<brunner>is there any way to get a list of detected serial ports on the system?
20:17<weasel>maybe dmsg tells you? or /var/log/boot
20:20<brunner>so if I use minicom to watch a serial port that is connected to a device that's turned off (a Cisco AS5400 in this case) I shouldn't have to do anything to reset or initialize it when I turn the device on before I start seeing output, right?
20:20<weasel>I'd use screen
20:21<weasel>it's way easier than minicom
20:21<weasel>screen /dev/ttyS0
20:21<brunner>screen will do that?
20:21<weasel>or, if screen isn't able to guess the speed - it gets it right most times - screen /dev/ttyS0 115200
20:21<brunner>thanks. I looked up the speed in the manual
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20:25<iplanet>acabo de instalar debian gnu/linux, y quiero agradecer a la comunidad Debian por este gran sistema operativo
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20:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:26<iplanet>i just done installing debian gnu/linux, and i want to thank all the debian community fot this great operative sistem
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20:30<ed_debian>Hey guys
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20:31<iplanet>hey ed_debian
20:32<iplanet>hey mentor , are you Loyd Blankenship ? :P
20:32<ed_debian>I am working (as some of you may remember) on writing a script that will automatically sync my pmp when it is plugged in. I am down to the final stages all I need is a good way for my simple bash script to output to the user (the progress so far and then when it is finished) udev will be calling the script as root so simply echoing to the terminal isn't an option. Any ideas?
20:32<ed_debian>(I could create a python script and ouput all of this to some sort of gtk thing written in python but that seems like over-kill
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20:33<ed_debian>Also I have been trying to get notify-send to work but it will not run as root and I am sick of finding work around that really don't work
20:33<ed_debian>In other words, what is a good way to output info in a bash script besides printing to the terminal????
20:33<iplanet>redirect to a file
20:33<ed_debian>I want the program to notify me as things happen
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20:34<ed_debian>you know "I'm all done now!"
20:34<ed_debian>kinda thing
20:34<iplanet>make a .sh file
20:35<ed_debian>?? iplanet ....
20:35<ed_debian>go on
20:35<iplanet>put the thing you want to do , like " du > space ", and in the next line, put " done "
20:36<iplanet>im sorry, i dont really know what a pmp is
20:37<ed_debian>portable music player
20:37<iplanet>oh oh
20:37<ed_debian>what does du > space do?
20:37<iplanet>put the result of du comand on a file, instead of printing in screen
20:37<mentor>iplanet: Should I be?
20:37<iplanet>you say besides printing to terminal
20:38<shamanix>anyone have any experience with installing a sid kernel in squeeze? I've googled this, but every site says it a bit differently so I'm a bit confused here
20:38<ed_debian>I'm looking for something gui based
20:38<iplanet>mentor, i dunno :P
20:38<iplanet>gui based
20:38<ed_debian>That way I can plug in the pmp and when it's done it will pop-up
20:38<iplanet>i understand
20:38<iplanet>i do that on windows
20:38<ed_debian>I've been trying to get this notify-send program I found to work but bottom line it won't run as root
20:39<iplanet>but, to stop the usb device
20:39<ed_debian>I don't care about that right now
20:39<ed_debian>iplanet, I'll give you the whole picture
20:39<iplanet>rundll32 user32,stop_usb_stuff , something like that
20:39<iplanet>im sorry, i cant help you, i need more skill on gnu/linux yet
20:40<ed_debian>I plug in the pmp, udev calls a script based on my pmp's model / vender. The script (eventually) gives some sort of gui notification that "pmp connected" then it runs a series of rsync commands that copy files on my computer onto the player. Then I want the script to gui ouput again something like "Done!" I have everything working except those simple gui notifications
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20:41<ed_debian>You know how python can build gtk apps?
20:41<ed_debian>Can bash do the same?
20:41<shamanix>xdialog, zenithy
20:41<iplanet>im sorry i dont know
20:41<ed_debian>shamanix, Are you talking to me?!
20:42<shamanix>zenithy makes gtk dialogs possible from shell AFAIK
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20:42<ed_debian>shamanix, I have a feeling you just made my day
20:42<shamanix>thats what it says on the tin, I never tried it, but seen scripts use it
20:43<ed_debian>What does afaik mean?
20:43<shamanix>As far as I know
20:43<mentor>iplanet: Can't help you then
20:44<shamanix>ed_debian just look it up in the repos
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20:44<iplanet>mentor , ok, answering to your question, no. you shouldnt be only for your nic
20:44<ed_debian>did you mean zenity? and not zenithy?
20:45<shamanix>I probably spelled it wrong, yeah thats it
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20:45<iplanet>you shouldnt be lloyd becouse of your nick.
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20:46<ed_debian>zenity is great!!!
20:46<ed_debian>Thank you soooo much shamanix
20:47<shamanix>I think xdialog or whatever it's name is does the same, only less fancy then the gtk of zenity
20:47<kapal>does anyone know how to disable polling of smartd deamon on a specified disk on debian lenny? I've set hdparm -S for this disk, because it's data is seldomly used, and i guess smartd is causing it to spinup every 30minutes. Any answer appreciated...
20:49<shamanix>kapal what does hdparm -S do? (i know what hdparm is, just don't know the flags)
20:49<kapal>shamanix: turns off power if the drive is not accessed for a specified amount of time
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20:50<kapal>shamanix: in short - puts drive to sleep :)
20:50<shamanix>does disabling smart in the bios work? (if the bios has an option for that)
20:51<kapal>shamanix: you know i have other drives, that i run all the time... and i want smart for them to be enabled
20:51<shamanix>ah, ok
20:52<shamanix>Well I know of a few tools to low level disable smart for one device, but I think there is prob. an easier way
20:54<kapal>shamanix: i think smart itself isnt the problem, the smartd daemon polls every 30min the disk and reads smart data from the drive, causing the drive to wakeup
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20:54<kapal>im digging the documentation right now to find appropriete option...
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20:59<mentor>iplanet: Ah no; completely separate etymology
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21:03<kapal>found it! Im gonna answer my own question: from man 5 smartd.conf: -n POWERMODE[,q] This `nocheck` Directive is used to prevent a disk from being spun-up when it is periodically polled by smard
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21:04<kapal>and by default smartd is configured in debian lenny to poll all smart-capable disks
21:06<mentor>Should possibly be the default.
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21:06<mentor>File a bug?
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21:09<ed_debian>One of the options for zenity is "--listen ; listen for commands on stdin"
21:09<ed_debian>What is stdin??
21:10<kapal>ed_debian: standard input
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21:10<ed_debian>kapal, ... meaning?
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21:11<ed_debian>ah hah!
21:17<ml|>kapal: nice link thanks
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21:25<kapal>I guess setting -n standby to smartd should be a default behaviour. Otherwise smartd daemon wakes up the disk every 30 mins if the spindowntime option to hdparm is set...
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21:25<kapal>ill try to report this issue
21:26<kapal>how to report a bug? I have never done it before...
21:26<blarson>kapal: Use reportbug
21:26<kapal>i mean how to _properly_ report a bug
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21:27<kapal>blarson: thanks, doing apt-get install reportbug
21:27<shamanix>speaking of reporting, if an app has a newer version then in the debian repos and the debian overlords havent noticed, how do I report that?
21:28<blarson>shamanix: use reportbug, report it as a wishlist bug
21:29<blarson>shamanix: make sure the new version isn't in unstable or experimental first
21:29<shamanix>i did, same version in sid as in stable and testing
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21:50<kapal>success... smartd[25776]: Device: /dev/hdc, is in STANDBY mode, suspending checks, filling bug report right now
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21:58<Gekz>wtf Debian is moving to eglibc?
21:59<Gekz>doesnt seem like a bad thing
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21:59<wooj>Gekz, 'more helpful upstream' I believe is the major reason
22:00<Gekz>I remember reading that the GNU guys made fun of ARM
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22:08<snogglethorpe>I think they rejected a patch and the submitters got all pissy
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22:09<snogglethorpe>tho according to the account I read, it was a bad patch anyway, and the problem it addressed was later solved in a better way
22:09<snogglethorpe>not sure where I saw that account though
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22:09<snogglethorpe>but i think the real reason seems to be that ulrich annoys people
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22:20<starfish>i am using ubuntu on windows and i am unable to connect wireless via my dlink dwa-130
22:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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22:34<sam__>hi, I'm getting a really strange problem with xorg and my screen resolution
22:35<sam__>my desktop is only taking up part of my actual screen
22:35<sam__>is anyone here good with xorg?
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22:39<sam__>is there a different xorg channel?
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22:46<shamanix>sorry, can't help you with xorg, never had a reason to change its configuration
22:47<sam__>well this is the xorg being messed up from the start, but I'll check out the xorg channel
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22:51<snogglethorpe>yeesh people should stay on line for more than 10min...
22:51<ml|>heh. yeah
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22:52<snogglethorpe>there are like 15 xorg channels on freenode...
22:52<snogglethorpe>well most of them are more specialized dev channels
22:52<ml|>one should suffice
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22:53<snogglethorpe>but still it's useful if you are having particular sorts of problems, which could use feedback from a real developer
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22:58<fsateler>4 seconds... must be a record
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23:05<paaa> my display is samsung syncmaster 551v and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't pops up monitors list to choose one from ?
23:05<paaa>the problem i'm getting sync out of range instead of splash image
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23:07<mbent>i have a question. I installed debian yesterday, and dist-upgraded to unstable. Its throwing dependency problems. But I get gnome-settings-daemon: breaks gnome-session (<2.24) but 2.22.3-3 is to be installed
23:08<mbent>why is it saying that, if it wants <2,24, and is going to install 2.22.3-3
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23:11<fsateler>mbent: it breaks <2.24, it doesn't want it
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23:13<Dargor>anyone know how to delete a raid array, made with mdadm. I think ive done it but the /dev/mdX device is still there.
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23:14<mbent>fsateler, but 2.22.3-3 is < 2.24
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23:15<fsateler>mbent: yes. gnome-settings-daemon breaks all versions of gnome-session < 2.24
23:15<fsateler>so apt won't let you install the new version
23:15<mbent>oh i see
23:16<ml|>dpkg unstable
23:16<dpkg>rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges><bts>.
23:17<fsateler>mbent: it is very likely that this is a temporary problem if you are tracking unstable, gnome-session 2.24 might not be available yet
23:17<mbent>yeah, as i thought
23:17<mbent>ml|, i've been running unstable for years. i've just never installed unstable in the middle of gnome being upgraded
23:18<mbent>hence my lack of knowledge with dependency problems
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23:30<deniz>when the update manager updates, is the reason for which the updates are not the size of the wholeprogram since it is only downloading the parts of the software that has source code that changed?
23:32<fsateler>deniz: what update manager
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23:33<deniz>fsateler, well that is what debian uses but i meant the graphical tool
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23:33<deniz>fsateler, although the question applies in general and not just for the graphical tool
23:33<fsateler>deniz: yeah. normally, debian downloads the whole package
23:34<fsateler>but it is compressed, so that is why it is smaller
23:34<fsateler>you may want to check out debdelta
23:34<dondelelcaro>deniz: because just downloading the diff would require us to have diffs for all of the possible versions, which isn't something we can do on mirrors
23:35<dondelelcaro>(or at least, a large number of versions)
23:35<deniz>fsateler, so if i apt-cdrom0 add my optical drive then use a debian disc that is not completely up to date to update and have the internet, instead of getting the data from disc and using the internet to update it, it will forcefully download the whole package from internet?
23:35<deniz>dondelelcaro, ^^
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23:36<dondelelcaro>deniz: it'll download whatever package is most recent, using the highest listed option in your sources.list
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23:37<deniz>dondelelcaro, so only the packages that are not newer than the ones on disc will be downloaded from disc?
23:37<dondelelcaro>deniz: depends on what your sources.list says
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23:38<deniz>dondelelcaro, if disc is on top, then it would get from disc and reject the up to dateness?
23:38<deniz>on top of the sources.list file that is
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23:38<dondelelcaro>deniz: no, it'd get from the disk if the disk had the newest versions. If not, it'd get from whatever source was listed highest that had them.
23:39<dondelelcaro>deniz: reread the sentence that I wrote
23:39<deniz>dondelelcaro, o lol
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23:40<deniz>dondelelcaro, fsateler, k so thanks i learnt what i wanted to know
23:42<dondelelcaro>deniz: see man sources.list; and man apt_preferences; for the full information on what exactly is happening.
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23:59<sun>hi whats a lightweight but usable mencoder frontend?
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