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00:15<snogglethorpe>an amazing 2 minutes!
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01:07<monoglets>how to install nvidia driver on amd64 with kernel 2.6.29-2 ??
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01:10<chealer>!tell monoglets about ngd
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01:23<DDevine>Hey I'm using KDE 4.2 on Debian Lenny. I want to run python based plasmoids and I have installed the python-plasma-scriptengine package (from Sid) but it does not seem to work even after a restart.
01:24<DDevine>It complains that it cannot create a python scriptengine for the widget when you try to start a python based widget.
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01:30<DDevine>Apparently if you just do some random re-installing of some python and pykde stuff it shoudl end up working.
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01:35<ml|>DDevine: try #debian-kde
01:36<DDevine>ml|: Thanks
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02:03<shamanix>this may not be the best place to ask, but is there software for linux that does something like or ?
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02:06<pi_>hello. when is /etc/issue displayed? right before the prompt for the username and password?
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02:27<chealer>pi_: yes
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02:43<dpkg>NDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. #ndiswrapper on
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03:08<snogglethorpe>does anyone have an opinion which app is best for managing one's ipod?
03:08<snogglethorpe>gtkpod and rhythmbox both seem to work, more or less
03:09<adb>ipod - tool for retrieving informations from iPods
03:10<adb>(apt-cache search ipod)
03:12<snogglethorpe>i'm more asking for impressions though
03:15<Zviper>i tried gtkpod and worked well
03:16<Zviper>but that was a looooong time ago
03:16<snogglethorpe>actually another question that occurs to me... is there any agreement how these apps manage the "computer side" music library?
03:16<snogglethorpe>or do they all maintain their own idiosyncratic DB?
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03:20<drakeman>hello to all, anyone knows a good tutorial to installl a printer in debian squeez? i have a canon ip1200 but i dont know how can install it into my debian! anyone can help me please? thanks!
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03:25<ml|>dpkg tell drakeman about cups
03:25<ml|>dpkg tell drakeman about cups-setup
03:26<snogglethorpe>these "dpkg tell" lines always conjure up images of someone being taken around to the back...
03:27<snogglethorpe>"ask a question will ye?!?"
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03:28<ml|>drakeman: read messages from dpkg
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03:31<drakeman>my localhost says that the printer es ready but when i send a test page
03:31<drakeman>nothing works.
03:31<cahoot>cups keeps an error log
03:32<drakeman>ip1200-4 Test Page root 17k Unknown completed at, it says the jodb is completed
03:32<drakeman>but is false.
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03:34<Gathond>from cups point of view it probably is as soon as the data is sent to the printer
03:34<Gathond>there may not be any feedback about when/if the printer actually does anything with the information
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03:38<drakeman>cahoot, you mean the access log?
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03:39<cahoot>there are both error and access logs - no? *might* be worth checking them
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03:40<ml|>drakeman: what did you install for cups?
03:41<drakeman>y just get E [31/May/2009:02:36:08 -0500] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
03:41<drakeman>E [31/May/2009:02:39:25 -0500] CUPS-Delete-Printer: Unauthorized from erro logs
03:41<sysadmin_>hello, I just installed debian in a usb drive. I tried to encrypt it, but it does not ask for encryption passwd, only username and userpassw. How can I launch the graphical interface from command prompt?
03:42<drakeman>im installing from http://localhost:631/
03:42<ml|>no what debian packages
03:42<drakeman>i install this aptitude install cups cups-client
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03:43<drakeman>i convert a rpm files downloaded from canon website with alien
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03:44<ml|>try without those, just cups cups-client
03:44<drakeman>the package was cnijfilter-ip2200_2.60-2:i386.deb and cnijfilter-common_2.60-2:i386.deb
03:44<drakeman>ml|, i have to remove cups and cups-client?
03:45<ml|>no the rpm stuff try without those
03:45<cahoot>no cups is obviously install all right
03:45<drakeman>ok, then should i remove de dep packages downloaded from canon. the packages i converted?
03:46<cahoot>canon stuff can be tricky though AIUI
03:46<sysadmin_>what packages do I need to have a gui? I only have command at this time
03:46<drakeman>but that drivers was the only available to my printer.
03:47<ml|>i had similar problems with my brother printer, when I removed the brother stuff it starting working correctly, so try that
03:47<cahoot>drakeman: did the cups interface at 631 allow you to choose the drivers you installed via alien?
03:47<chealer>sysadmin_: at least X (xorg). did you already use GNU/Linux?
03:47<drakeman>i saw pixma 2200 in the list.
03:47<sysadmin_>chealer, yes
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03:47<drakeman>thats the one i choose, but didnt work.
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03:48<drakeman>is a usb printer.
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03:48<sysadmin_>chealer, I am trying to learn about debian. I started with ubuntu, but need an encrypted usb drive with a distribution, and I saw that debian works
03:48<chealer>sysadmin_: which desktop environment do you want/know?
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03:48<insmod>how do I get gstreamer to use /dev/audio1 not /dev/audio0
03:49<ml|>drakeman: so remove those and just use what cups has for your printer
03:49<drakeman>let me remove the alien packages
03:49<sysadmin_>chealer, the problem is that after installing debian on my flashdrive, when booting, I need to edit grub to load
03:50<sysadmin_>chealer, I don't know yet what else to add to grub so that it asks for the encryption password while booting up
03:50<sysadmin_>chealer, any suggestions?
03:51<chealer>sysadmin_: suggestions for desktop environments? KDE
03:51<drakeman>ml|, i already remove the alien debs.
03:51<drakeman>but now my printer doesnt appear in the list.
03:52<sysadmin_>chealer, ok, so how do I install it? apt-get install kde?
03:52<ml|>restart cups
03:52<chealer>sysadmin_: regarding disk encryption, I know nothing about it
03:52<sysadmin_>chealer, allright
03:52<chealer>sysadmin_: yes, for the full version.
03:52<chealer>!install kde
03:52<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see See also <kde version>.
03:53<drakeman>ml|, in the device list in cups panel i have Canon(ip1200) and Canon ip1200 USB #1 (CANON IP1200)
03:53<drakeman>ml|, i already do /etc/init.d/cups restart
03:53<sysadmin_>chealer, one more question, do you know how to configure a wireless connection from terminal?
03:53<ml|>don't you have that printer?
03:54<sysadmin_>anyone knows how to configure a wireless connection from terminal?
03:54<gsimmons>sysadmin_: See
03:54<drakeman>yes, but i know if the name appears in the list because of the alien debs.
03:55<drakeman>im going to choose one.
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03:55<ml|>but didn't remove those?
03:56<drakeman>ml|, i removed it using dpkg -r name fo the deb
03:56<drakeman>mmm in the driver list dont see any match for myh printer.
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03:58<drakeman>ml|, what i have to do if my model/driver dont appear in the list.
03:59<ml|>drakeman canon ip1200?
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04:01<ml|>drakeman: try this..
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04:02<Kmos>someone should change topic.. 4.0r8 is out
04:02<drakeman>ml|, You can get it on But it may not work... Then probe turboprint driver.
04:03<mbent>if i build something from source, do i have to manually build from source forever? or can i do a apt-get upgrade and it will get the latest binary?
04:03<drakeman>ml|, the link send me to the canon site to downlooad a file called 24301.tgz
04:04<drakeman>im downloading it.
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04:05<drakeman>ml|, Operating system(s): Linux, Red Hat Linux 9, SUSE Linux Professional 9.1
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04:10<drakeman>ml|, now i have the same rpm files cnijfilter-ip2200-2.60-1.i386.rpm
04:11<drakeman>ml|, now i have the same rpm files cnijfilter-ip2200-lprng-2.60-1.i386.rpm
04:11<drakeman>and two more.
04:11<pi_>chealer, but i'm not getting it when i login via ssh
04:11<pi_>i get the prompt for usernamd and password right away
04:11<pi_>after that, it's /etc/motd
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04:17<ml|>drakeman: those are the recommended drivers, use alien to convert them and try again
04:17<drakeman>ok, let me try it.
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04:21<ml|>mbent: yes until there it is the repos
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04:41<ml|>drakeman: is it working?
04:42<drakeman>ml|, nop
04:42<drakeman>ml|, now one deb send me an error and the other two was installed correclty but now i didnt see my model in device drivers in cups
04:42<ml|>so it's not list without using those files?
04:43<ml|>see if this helps...,1032,8245#msg-8245
04:46<drakeman>ml|, now i cant remove the installed debs :(
04:46<drakeman>let me se that link, thanks.
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04:47<ml|>why not?
04:50<drakeman>im getting an error.
04:50<mbent>ml|, are you sure it will install the latest binaries from the repos if i build the original using apt-get source ? I have 3 people telling me different things :(
04:51<ml|>mbent: i said no
04:52<ml|>< ml|> mbent: yes until there it is the repos ... < mbent> if i build something from source, do i have to manually build from source forever?
04:52<ml|>*in the repos
04:53<mbent>i know what you said... i've just got different people telling me different things :S
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04:53<mbent>can't seem to easily find it using my friend google either
04:54<ml|>ok think about it, how can you upgrade you built from src with aptitude?
04:55<ml|>makes sense now?
04:56<ml|>cool :)
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05:00<drakeman>ml|, everytime i try to remove a deb package installed i get a big message
05:00<drakeman>it starts with dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in
05:01<ml|>are you using the right name
05:01<drakeman>yep, exaclty he same name
05:02<drakeman>now i cannot install it neither
05:03<ml|>drakeman: maybe you overlooked something when using alien or install time
05:04<drakeman>now the options with that drivers wont work for me
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05:12<drakeman>i give up
05:12<drakeman>im going to sleep
05:12<drakeman>ml|, thanks for the help!
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05:13<ml|>np sry it didn't work
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05:29<EmleyMoor>Anyone tried Win7 under kvm or qemu yet?
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05:30<geophoenix>how can i replace nautilus file manager?
05:30*EmleyMoor is planning to an is looking for caveats
05:30<dr|z3d>geophoenix: Install another, remove nautlius.
05:30<shamanix>download something like Pcmanfm or rox-filer, edit some configuration files if needed
05:31<dr|z3d>Note that nautilus comes with quite a few dependencies.
05:31<dr|z3d>pcmanfm or thunar would be my alternative recommendations.
05:32<EmleyMoor>Not that I would ever use Win7 instead of Debian...
05:32<ml|>yes pcmanfm and thunar are good alternatives
05:32<geophoenix>when i try apt-get remove nautilus , it replies that will remove gnome-core gnome-desktop-enviroment
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05:32<shamanix>the only thing that sucks in pcmanfm (as it is now anyway) is that you can't easily move icons around
05:34<dr|z3d>Not complete answers, those, but possible pointers.
05:34<ml|>i stopped using filemanagers, cli does the job for me
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05:34<dr|z3d> also, geophoenix
05:34<shamanix>idesk and commander style filemanagers get my vote
05:35<dr|z3d>Last link is complete.
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05:36<dr|z3d>Whatever you personally think about Ubuntu, they're often first with the forum help.
05:36<BramOs>hello, i've a question about how i can install the flashplugin in sidux?? can somebody help me? thanks..
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05:37<dr|z3d>BramOs: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
05:37<ml|>yes the forums there are good
05:37<dr|z3d>BramOs: You'd also benefit from learning about: apt-cache search flash
05:37<shamanix>I just download the deb from adobe, then dpkg -i the bastard (the flash plugin)
05:37<BramOs>i'll try it, but isn't it apt-get instead of aptitude??
05:38<dpkg>aptitude is, like, a terminal-based package manager. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>.
05:38<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
05:38<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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05:39<BramOs>command not found...
05:39<dr|z3d>BramOs: Congratulations, you've just upgraded your knowledge!
05:39<BramOs>that's good :p
05:39<dr|z3d>apt-get install aptitude && aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
05:39<ml|>no aptitude in sidux?
05:40<dr|z3d>Would surprise me, that.
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05:42<BramOs>i installed it, but youtube still doenst work..
05:42<ml|>did you restart your browser
05:42<dr|z3d>Which browser?
05:43<dr|z3d>Type about:plugins in the addressbar and confirm you have flash installed.
05:43<ml|>do you have flashblock or the like
05:44<BramOs>typing plugins in the addressbar? google just opens for a search of plugins
05:45<dr|z3d>No. Type about:plugins
05:45<dr|z3d>that's about+colon+plugins
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05:45<shamanix>you could try it with Opera (unless you got something against it), I've been watching YouTube flawlessly since day 1 of my linux install
05:46<dr|z3d>Not really helping, shamanix. He should be able to watch in IceWeasel.
05:46<BramOs>opera doesn't install on my sidux lxde..
05:46<ml|>it should work in iceweasel
05:46<ml|>does here atleast
05:47<cerpin>i restarted my computer and X-Server couldnt start so i have no gui anymore. i am using debian squeeze
05:47<cerpin>errormessage says no screens found. i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg a few times. no result
05:48<dr|z3d>Try reviewing and editing (if necessary) your xorg.conf file directly, cerpin
05:48<BramOs>in about:plugins i don't see flash
05:49<dr|z3d>BramOs: Try a reboot, perhaps. At least we can rule that out, then.
05:49<BramOs>ok.. ciao.. allready thanks for helping..
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05:53<BramOs>my flash player still don't works...
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05:54<ml|>BramOs: ask in #sidux
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05:55<ml|>heh at the sametime
05:56<dr|z3d>Apparently if you manually install (copy) to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ & /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ it should work.
05:57<ml|>yeah, but should work how he installed it
05:59<valdyn>he shouldnt manually copy there
06:00<valdyn>and we dont even know if he uses gnash or somesuch
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06:11<Vanished>Hi there
06:11<Vanished>Do you know how to read a .rm file withou real player ?
06:11<Vanished>But with mplayer for example
06:11<valdyn>Vanished: with mplayer
06:12<Vanished>I wan't to read it under linux
06:12<valdyn>Vanished: so?
06:12<Vanished>ok valdyn but it gives me only sound
06:12<Vanished>there no image when i read it with mplayer
06:12<valdyn>Vanished: what is "it"
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06:12<Vanished>the .rm file
06:12<valdyn>Vanished: does that file have video?
06:12<Vanished>I think so
06:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
06:13<Vanished>ok thank you
06:13<rudi_s>Vanished: You could try the latest VLC, I think they improved Real support.
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06:13<valdyn>Vanished: ^^ has a package w32codecs, which might help in the rare cases where mplayer does not have a codec
06:14<valdyn>Vanished: mplayer should give you a clear error message as to why it cannot play video
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06:14<Vanished>ok maybe the file has no image at least
06:14<valdyn>Vanished: maybe, i dont really use .rm ever
06:15<valdyn>Vanished: so mplayer just plays everythign i throw at it
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06:27<mbent>if i apt-get install gnome-session/experimental in my unstable system, what will happen in the future if i want to dist-upgrade? will gnome-session forever be downloaded from experimental repo? when gnome-session trickles down into unstable, can i tell it do use the version from unstable repo? how do I do this?
06:27<locklace>mbent: easiest approach is to download the .deb from experimental manually and install it with dpkg -i
06:28<mbent>and then what do i do when i want to upgrade?
06:28<locklace>mbent: then you don't have to add any experimental repos and it will automatically track unstable as soon as the unstable version is > the one you have
06:28<mbent>oh, really?
06:29<mbent>i thought that, if it wasn't gotten through apt, it would be followed
06:29<mbent>wouldn't ***
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06:30<locklace>aptitude (which is what you should be using) will see it, can't remember whether it gives it a special classification or not
06:30<mbent>i am using aptitude
06:31<mbent>i just don't want to manually put something there, and forget about it, and then have it not upgrade with the rest of my system
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06:34<locklace>mbent: ok, it classifies it in the "obsolete and locally created packages" section
06:35<mbent>then what happens?
06:35<mbent>do you have a resource that I can read more about this?
06:36<`1>cheers guys.. 1 question.. while im trying to run a server on lenny,the server starts,but it doesn`t show up on the there any way to open the ports that i need?in some config file or something?
06:37<locklace>mbent: i can't confirm immediately on my system with an example, since the only packages like that i have are also not in the repos i use
06:37<locklace>mbent: the documentation is in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README
06:38<locklace>`1: what server
06:39<locklace>`1: there's no firewalling or anything by default, if the program opens a port it will be available
06:39<`1>hmm..could it be the router?
06:39<locklace>`1: sure. first, can you verify it's listening with netstat -4l? is it tcp or udp? what port number?
06:40<`1>tcp/udp listens on 27733
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06:41<`1>hmm it is in the list.. but half of the ports are listed as listening.. the other
06:41<locklace>mbent: easiest way to confirm for sure what happens i think is to try it with some harmless example package
06:42<`1>and is udp
06:42<mbent>im not even sure how to try it
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06:42<mbent>yes, that should be right
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06:42<locklace>`1: so it actually opens a bunch of ports?
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06:42<`1>hold on .. c/p
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06:45<locklace>`1: so your thing is the 27733 listener? actually re-run that as netstat -4lp and paste that
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06:46<mbent>locklace, YES! it worked!
06:46<mbent>locklace, Brilliant!
06:46<mbent>thank you!
06:46<locklace>mbent: how did you test it?
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06:46<mbent>went to my repo, installed an old version of tinc
06:46<mbent>then apt-get upgrade
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06:47<kapal>does anyone know a good tool to retrieve only data (without free blocks) from an ntfs partiton under debian lenny? dd, partimage aren't the option. dd will get freeblocks also, and partimage creates images that cannot be mount (for example via loopback device). Any tip appreciated :)
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06:47<mbent>and it wanted to install the latest tinc
06:47<locklace>mbent: ok cool. that was what i expected, good to have it confirmed
06:47<gsimmons>kapal: ntfsclone
06:48<locklace>`1: ok, so it's actually using 3 udp ports
06:48<kapal>gsimmons: issuing: apt-get install ntfsprogs
06:49<`1>yes..but only 2 i`m inte\rested in
06:49<`1>deos sectools have anything to do with?
06:50<locklace>`1: what's sectools
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06:51<locklace>`1: looks like more of an ids than any sort of filtering system
06:51<locklace>`1: but double-check if you have any firewall stuff in place, "iptables -S"
06:52<`1>i get a looooong list
06:52<`1>i did have the arno-iptables installed..but i purged the package
06:52<locklace>guess you get to start figuring out what program is managing your firewalling and how it works then
06:53<locklace>`1: look in /etc/init.d for firewall-shaped things, any in there will run at boot
06:54<`1>doing now
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06:55<kapal>gsimmons: Looks like this is what I was looking for. Thanks for the tip! I'll try to mount the image as fast as it's created :) Again thanks!
06:55<locklace>`1: also "aptitude search '~i' | grep -i fire"
06:55<gsimmons>kapal: np
06:55<locklace>`1: and did you reboot or anything after you purged your firewall package
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06:56<`1>kmyfirewall was resulted after the command :)
06:56<`1>a simple purge will do?
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06:58<locklace>it'll do to purge the package, whether that's the last of the firewall stuff on your system remains to be seen
06:58<`1>reboot ?
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06:58<locklace>well first rerun the iptables -S after the purge to see if the rules are still there
06:59<locklace>`1: also a "grep -i firewall /etc/init.d/*" is worth doing
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07:02<`1>iptables -S gives the same list..a loong one..
07:02<blackout>el que
07:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:03<`1>grep -i firewall /etc/init.d/* gives nothing
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07:03<locklace>`1: ok, this would be a reasonable time to reboot
07:03<`1>oky.. see u in a bit
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07:09<mihkel>Hi. So do I get it correctly, that squeeze aka testing has security updates again?
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07:10<mihkel>Added: deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free : to sources.list and ran aptitude update
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07:10<mihkel>no 404 as I would have expected
07:10<`1>locklace, thank you thank you thank you :)
07:11<`1>aptitude search '~i' | grep -i fire gives me only 3 variables now
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07:11<`1>sorry.. the iptables -S
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07:11<locklace>`1: right, presumably just the default ACCEPT policies
07:11<locklace>mihkel: well, the repo exists, whether any updates actually get put into it is another question
07:11<mihkel>Although I see no announcement on mailinglists
07:12<`1>input forward and output accept
07:12<locklace>`1: so does your server work now?
07:12<`1>dunno.. but apache does :D
07:12<`1>i`m gonna run it now
07:13<mihkel> there seems to be some updates
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07:13<mihkel>broken though
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07:13<mihkel>before I enabled squeeze security repo, there where only 2 updates
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07:14<locklace>mihkel: i've never seen any announcement about officially resuming the sec support
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07:14<mihkel>locklace, me neither. So I'm just woundering :)
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07:17<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:23<zhongbo>where am I??
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07:23<locklace>you're not in kansas anymore, toto
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07:27<zhongbo>any Chinese here??
07:27<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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07:27<dpkg>from memory, et is Ethiopia
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07:28<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ee is for gEEks. Estonia. ElectricElf
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07:52<ComradeHaz>hmm, guys, totally off topic, but are fairly loud ticking noises from HDD's ever 'normal'?
07:53<dr|z3d>ComradeHaz: Usual when the drive is end of life, sure.
07:54<dr|z3d>Really depends on the drive, what you're doing at the time, the loudness of the clicking.. hard to give an accurate assessment over irc.
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07:55<ComradeHaz>hmm, it's loud, but is seaking between two files
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07:55<ComradeHaz>sounds like someone next to me tapping their nail on the desk
07:55<dr|z3d>Could be sector damage.
07:56<ComradeHaz>I thought it was my missus to start with and did the whole 'stop it' - 'stop what' thing :D
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07:57<ComradeHaz>I bloody hope not, it's a terrabyte external for 'acquired stuff', shall we say, and the only drive that's not backed up :(
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07:59<locklace>ComradeHaz: if it supports smart, run smartmontools on it
08:00<ComradeHaz>ah, good thinking
08:00<ComradeHaz>dunno if it will as it's in a caddy
08:00<ComradeHaz>but will try
08:00<locklace>ComradeHaz: paste "smartctl -a /dev/sdb" where sdb is the actual device name
08:00<ComradeHaz>thanks alot
08:03<ComradeHaz>Device: ST375033 0AS Version: 0024 ; scsiModePageOffset: response length too short, resp_len=4 offset=4 bd_len=0 ; >> Terminate command early due to bad response to IEC mode page ; A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.
08:04<locklace>ComradeHaz: rerun it with "-T permissive"
08:05<ComradeHaz>and as you can see it's 750 not a terrabyte :( I missremembered :D
08:05<ComradeHaz>what does that mean?
08:05<ComradeHaz>I know it told me to do that, bt never sure if it's safe to do those things :S
08:06<locklace>it just means it won't exit if a mandatory smart command is not implemented by the drive
08:06<ComradeHaz>nah, still fails
08:06<ComradeHaz>'Device does not support self test logging'
08:07<locklace>try "-T verypermissive"
08:07<ComradeHaz>I'll take it out of the caddy later and test it
08:07<ComradeHaz>still no
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08:08<locklace>guess it doesn't support smart then. you can try some tests with sdparm instead
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08:08<ComradeHaz>how about '-T veryverypermissiveAndDon'tDareArgue'
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08:08<ComradeHaz>I bet it will out of the caddy
08:08<ComradeHaz>as you can see from teh serial it's a pretty new drive
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08:09<ComradeHaz>thanks for your help though :)
08:09<ComradeHaz>if it has failed, that's the second this week :D
08:10<ComradeHaz>the other was a backup target, so no biggy
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09:05<Chryzo>Back... and did not work
09:05<Chryzo>when i boot now, the screen blinks a few time
09:05<Chryzo>and in the end my CRT is still in 640 * 480
09:06<Chryzo>Oh, and the screen on my laptop is back and showing
09:06<Chryzo>but i can't get my mouse to it
09:06<Chryzo>it is like I have 2 semi distinct environment
09:06<Chryzo>and now my mouse switched to the other screen and i can't get it back on the CRT side of things ^^
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09:11<paggas>hi, i have a problem with approx, running /etc/cron.weekly/approx exits with status 1 and the error message "Not_found"! what could be wrong?
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09:17<abrotman>what's in the cron task?
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09:17<paggas>abrotman: it just runs approx-gc --quiet
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09:32<Tydorb4>i'm using native driver for my wireless(chipset rtl8187b) and the signal is oscillating very
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09:33<Tydorb4>using wicd too
09:34<paggas>i summarized my problem with approx at, anyone care to take a look? thanks :)
09:34<paggas>abrotman: ^^ you might want to have a look at this :)
09:36<abrotman>paggas: put your sources.list in there also
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09:45<paggas>abrotman: ok, here it is:
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09:46<abrotman>paggas: so you're actually using studio64 ?
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09:47<paggas>abrotman: no, i just track their repos :)
09:48<abrotman>that doesn't make sense
09:48<locklace>paggas: don't know approx, but maybe try to run it with debug/verbose options if they exist, or look at log file
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09:53<paggas>locklace: well, there is no log file, and the most verbose option is -v, which i have already included in the paste :|
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09:56<locklace>that sucks. maybe try strace, but it's going to be ugly
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10:16<Redrum>Hello, recently there was an update to hal and I think it is what have affected the way I umount drives (not sure if I should file a bug though, it just might not be a bug).
10:16<Redrum>I've described the expected behaviour (before the update) and the actual behaviour in:
10:16<Redrum>Could anybody help me with it? or should I file a bug (in this case, should it be against hal?)?
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10:22<vinicius>hi! my /etc/resolv.conf keeps being updated with wrong dns numbers... and my /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf is not setting it to prepend any dns
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10:29<locklace>vinicius: the stuff in /etc/resolv.conf only comes from three possible places: dhclient.conf, some other thing running that messes with it, or the dhcp server
10:31<vinicius>locklace, the dhcp server is alright... everytime i run dhclient it fills up resolv.conf with the right servers... after some time this file will be filled with wrong ones (that I use somewhere else) + the right ones filled before...
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10:31<locklace>vinicius: see if you're running resolvconf or some other thing that tries to take charge of resolv.conf
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10:33<vinicius>locklace, the command resolvconf you mean?
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10:34<vinicius>locklace, the command resolvconf you mean?
10:34<vinicius>locklace, im not sure if the message arrived correctly due to this problem ;)
10:35<vinicius>locklace, it seems to be avahi daemon
10:36<locklace>vinicius: do you even need avahi daemon
10:36<vinicius>locklace, im not sure
10:37<locklace>i found it was one of those things that kept getting installed automatically by other stuff
10:37<vinicius>locklace, uninstalling avahi daemon will not uninstall anything else
10:37<locklace>i hate it when servers i don't need get unnecessarily installed
10:37<vinicius>well... lets see
10:38<locklace>yeah, my suggestion is either to uninstall it, or if that produces depend problems, just disable it at startup
10:38<vinicius>locklace, ill wait some time to see how my resolvconf is updated
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10:38<vinicius>locklace, thanks by now :)
10:38<locklace>i have an "exit 0" in /etc/default/avahi-daemon
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10:40<locklace>btw, an amusing way to troubleshoot problems like this is to use inotify (e.g. via inotify-tools) to watch for and report on file modification events
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10:44<paggas>i tried using apt-proxy instead of approx, same problem, seems the remote repo is problematic after all :| in the end i just removed it from approx
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10:49<vinicius>locklace, well.. that didnt work... the servers are wrong again
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10:50<locklace>vinicius: look at what other services you have running. if nothing stands out you can try the inotify trick
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10:51<vinicius>locklace, well i stopped the service now... lets see..
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10:54<vinicius>locklace, network-manager maybe?
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10:56<MacDada>I;m installing COD server on my debian linux. The README file says about problem I have (/cod_lnxded: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
10:56<MacDada>"Here is the library you need, if your Linux distribution doesn't supply it:
10:56<locklace>vinicius: quite possibly
10:56<MacDada>You want to unpack that somewhere that the dynamic linker will see it
10:56<MacDada>(if you are sure it won't overwrite any files, you can even use /lib).
10:57<MacDada>ok, i did that, i downloaded the file and unpacked it to /usr/local/lib on my root account
10:57<locklace>MacDada: ugh, that's awful
10:57<abrotman>MacDada: you sohuldn't have to do that
10:57<Redrum>MacDada try sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
10:57<abrotman>that's awful too
10:57<abrotman>!tell Redrum about why aptitude
10:58<MacDada>ok, i will delete what i unpacked and try aptitue
10:58<abrotman>and probalby doesn't need sudo either
10:58<MacDada>"awfull" hehe
11:00<MacDada>can i install file using aptitue on "normal" (not root) account?
11:00<Redrum>abrotman: thank you, I use aptitude for anything that requires more than one-package installation.
11:01<abrotman>you should still use aptitude
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11:01<abrotman>MacDada: no
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11:01<lulzy>guys i need some help
11:03<MacDada>why dont you tell what kind of help you need? :P
11:03<lulzy>well when i do apt-get upgrade i get this
11:04<locklace>lulzy: what version of debian
11:04<lulzy>so i do apt-get -f upgrade then this comes up
11:04<locklace>lulzy: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list
11:05<lulzy># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20$
11:05<lulzy>#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 200$
11:05<lulzy>deb lenny main
11:05<lulzy>deb-src lenny main
11:05<lulzy>deb lenny/updates main
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11:05<lulzy>i cant paste it on pastbin
11:06<locklace>why not
11:06<lulzy>tripped spam filters
11:06<lulzy>sent you a message with it
11:06<locklace>don't do that
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11:07<locklace>ok, only thing wrong with that is an old sarge line at the end
11:07<locklace>lulzy: are you trying to do an upgrade from something else to lenny or is this a fresh lenny install
11:07<lulzy>so jsut remove that?
11:07<lulzy>well, if i try and install ANYTHING with apt-get i get that message
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11:08<lulzy>so i cant install the depencies it needs
11:08<locklace>that wasn't an answer to the question
11:08<lulzy>but its a fresh install
11:08<locklace>so you installed lenny directly from cd?
11:09<locklace>why do you have a sarge line in your sources.list?
11:09<lulzy>i may have added it when trying to install webmin
11:09<locklace>ok, well it shouldn't really hurt anything but take it out anyway
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11:09<locklace>then paste output of "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade"
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11:11<locklace>somehow it looks like you have a broken install
11:11<locklace>paste "apt-cache policy libc6"
11:11<lulzy>everything worked until i rebooted
11:12<lulzy>then it came up with that
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11:12<lulzy> there
11:12<SamWatkin1>hi there, is anyone interested in using ssh? I wrote and collected some tools to make it work fast with no latency while typing / editing: It should be useful for sysadmins who manage remote servers in another country I think.
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11:12<locklace>not having libc installed is kind of a problem
11:13<MacDada>ok, i found libstdc++5 on my aptitide but when i try to install it (i type "g") then i get "The installation, upgrading or deleting of any packets is not planned" (sorry for my transation from polish ;))
11:13<lulzy>but i dont get how im supposed to install it
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11:13<locklace>lulzy: you shouldn't have to, it's a basic part of any standard install (indeed, the most basic apart from the kernel), so something you did broke your system
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11:14<lulzy>added a second hdd
11:14<locklace>lulzy: only thing i can suggest is to download the lenny .deb for it and try to force-install it manually with dpkg
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11:14<lulzy>how would i do that
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11:14<Redrum>MacDada: just try aptitude install libstdc++5 it should be easier (or now that you're there press + to mark it for installation and then g to proceed)
11:15<locklace>lulzy: first look in /var/cache/apt/libc6*, you probably already have the .deb on your system there
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11:16<locklace>kind of surprised anything works for you at all without libc, maybe it's partially installed but in some weird state
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11:16<lulzy>ls: cannot access /var/cache/apt/libc6*: No such file or directory
11:16<ed_debian>Where can I get more fonts for my system? Are there packages? I'm looking for a good font for conky
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11:17<locklace>lulzy: does /var/cache/apt even exist
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11:18<locklace>ed_debian: "aptitude search font"
11:18<MacDada>how to open menu in aptitude?
11:18<lulzy>server:~# ls /var/cache/apt
11:18<lulzy>archives pkgcache.bin srcpkgcache.bin
11:18<locklace>lulzy: oops, sorry: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6*
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11:19<ed_debian>locklace, there is a ton of shit to wade through? Can you be more specific?
11:20<MacDada>i need to get admin privilages from the menu in aptitude. how to open menu?
11:20<locklace>lulzy: does "dpkg -l | grep libc6" return anything?
11:20<lulzy>just moves down to another line
11:20<abrotman>how about dpkg -l dpkg ?
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11:21<lulzy>abrotman: | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
11:21<lulzy>|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
11:21<Redrum>MacDada: if you just needed to install libstdc++5, close aptitude and execute aptitude install libstdc++5 with root privileges. If you want to learn about aptitude press ?
11:21<abrotman>i only needed to know if it was there
11:21<MacDada>ok, thx
11:21<lulzy>well yes it says 1.14.25 is there
11:22<locklace>lulzy: ok, try "dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18_i386.deb"
11:22<lulzy>subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
11:22<lulzy>Errors were encountered while processing:
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11:24<locklace>lulzy: i think your install is probably hosed. either it was broken to begin with for some reason or something you did destroyed it
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11:25<lulzy>well it was like, i changed the motherboard and upgraded the system then added another hdd
11:25<lulzy>everything works fine like ISPCP but apt-get just wont do anything
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11:25<locklace>was the other drive blank?
11:26<lulzy>i formated it into ext3
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11:27<locklace>lulzy: "ls -l /lib/* ; dpkg -S /lib/"
11:27<lulzy>dpkg: /lib/ not found.
11:27<dpkg>lulzy: i haven't a clue
11:27<lulzy>its strange
11:27<locklace>lulzy: paste "ldd /bin/ls"
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11:30<locklace>hmm. you have i686 libs but the libc packages in your cache are i386
11:31<abrotman>it should still install
11:31<locklace>shouldn't aptitude have retrieved i686 arch packages though?
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11:32<ed_debian>For future reference it's a lot easier to find fonts if you search "ttf" and not the word font
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11:32<abrotman>locklace: no such thing
11:32<locklace>i guess there's only an i386 libc package
11:32<abrotman>judd: versions libc6-686
11:32<judd>abrotman: libc6-686 --
11:32<abrotman>uhm ..
11:32<lulzy>what do you think i should do then
11:32<abrotman>judd: versions libc6-i686
11:32<judd>abrotman: libc6-i686 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-13
11:33<ripperda>I did a dist-upgrade to unstable last night and the gnome-session appears to be broken
11:33<locklace>ok, don't really understand how the various libc packages are chained together
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11:33<ripperda>is this a known issue, or is it more likely I have a local problem?
11:33<lulzy>would a system upgrade help?
11:34<ripperda>when I try to install, it complains about other packages not to be installed (even though they already are installed)
11:34<ripperda>specifically gnome-control-center, gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-panel
11:35<locklace>lulzy: not seeing how changing your mainboard and adding a new empty drive could have done this to your system
11:36<locklace>anyway, fwiw the libc6-i686 package depends on the normal i386 libc6 and just has optimized versions of some things
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11:37<locklace>lulzy: does /usr/share/doc/libc6 exist?
11:38<locklace>lulzy: "dpkg -S /usr/share/doc/libc6"
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11:38<lulzy>server:~# dpkg -S /usr/share/doc/libc6
11:38<lulzy>dpkg: /usr/share/doc/libc6 not found.
11:38<dpkg>lulzy: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
11:38<abrotman>try without the leading /
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11:39<lulzy>not found again
11:40<locklace>lulzy: ok, one more, "dpkg -S /usr/bin/ldd"
11:40<abrotman>might be easier to just manually extract the libc6 .. and then reinstall it later
11:40<lulzy>dpkg: /usr/bin/ldd not found.
11:40<dpkg>lulzy: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
11:40<lulzy>is what?
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11:40<ripperda>abrotman, got it, looks like the package is out of date
11:40<locklace>lulzy: but you ran ldd earlier and pasted the output... where is it? "which ldd"
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11:42<lulzy>server:~# which ldd
11:42<locklace>oh, right.
11:42<locklace>so anyway, you have the libc contents installed or partially installed but dpkg doesn't know about it
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11:43<locklace>abrotman: can you tell him the easiest way to extract the libc package, have doubts it will improve the subsequent install result but worth a shot
11:44<abrotman>well .. are the contents of a libc6 package already on his system ?
11:44<abrotman>because if they are, what i tell him won't make a bit of differecne
11:44<abrotman>maybe he should strace/ltrace a bit ?
11:44<lulzy>i think they are
11:44<locklace>they are at least partly there, but possibly not fully
11:45<locklace>for instance he has no /lib/
11:45<abrotman>it's a symlink
11:45<abrotman>or should be
11:45<abrotman>does he have any libc* files in /lib/ ?
11:46<locklace>yes, it should be there, it's owned by libc6
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11:46<locklace>no /lib/libc6*
11:46<locklace>lulzy: paste "ls /lib/libc*"
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11:46<abrotman>for instance, on lenny /lib/ -> /lib/
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11:47<locklace>but anyway, since the symlink is missing the package is in some partially installed state
11:48<lulzy>ls /lib/libc
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11:48<locklace>well, it's there after all
11:48<abrotman>and apparently he does have /lib/
11:48<abrotman>but is it a symlink ?
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11:49<locklace>oh, i see. i misinterpreted his earlier paste: it's not that it isn't there but that dpkg doesn't know about it
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11:50<locklace>so from everything so far it looks like all the files are there but dpkg doesn't own them
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11:51<lulzy>so could it be a rights issue?
11:51<locklace>no, there's some corruption in your package database
11:51<abrotman>can you do anything with dpkg ?
11:51<abrotman>or aptitude?
11:51<lulzy>apt-get? n o
11:52<locklace>only thing i can think of is to manually rebuild the dpkg state
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11:53<lulzy>im will to try everything its screwed as it is
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11:54<antonio2>sorry :D
11:54<antonio2>hi there, anyway
11:55<abrotman>lulzy: what does `cat /proc/version` say ?
11:55<lulzy>Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-15lenny2) ( (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Mon May 11 19:00:59 UT
11:56<abrotman>lulzy: is there any libc6* in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ?
11:56<lulzy>it goes too fast for me to read and when its done it only shows the last couple of lines
11:57<locklace>lulzy: you should probably paste the full output of dpkg -l
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12:00<abrotman>that's everything ?
12:00<abrotman>w t f
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12:01<locklace>i was expecting something like that
12:01<locklace>i think you're going to need to do something like this:
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12:01<abrotman>lulzy: if you `echo "libc6 install" | dpkg --set-selections` .. and then dpkg -l .. anything change ?
12:02<lulzy>just goes into >
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12:02<abrotman>does `dpkg --get-selections` have more lines ?
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12:03<MacDada>hi again ;)
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12:03<abrotman>no one home!
12:03<abrotman>come back tomorrow!
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12:03<lulzy>server:~# dpkg --get-selections
12:03<lulzy>base-files install
12:03<lulzy>base-passwd install
12:03<lulzy>dpkg install
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12:03<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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12:04<abrotman>lulzy: that's what the is for
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12:04<lulzy>i thought i might get away with 4 lines
12:04<abrotman>four is the limit
12:04<locklace>lulzy: check out sections 6.3.4 and 6.3.5 here:
12:04<abrotman>maybe it's without the " for the set-selections
12:05<MacDada>im using debian over ssh, i started CoD server and i want to test it. the question is: what is my server's ip?
12:06<MacDada>i logged to root and typed "ifconfig" and i see that i have many ethX interfaces with different IPs
12:06<abrotman>!tell MacDada about grounding
12:06<MacDada>sorry, eth0:X
12:06<MacDada>where X is a number
12:06<abrotman>or use links2 and go to whatismyip
12:07<lulzy>ive just done that
12:07<lulzy>but it didnt work
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12:07<MacDada>18:06 < abrotman> !tell MacDada about grounding <<<< ???
12:07<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
12:08<abrotman>lulzy: strace dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18_i386.deb
12:08<lulzy>Errors were encountered while processing:
12:08<lulzy> /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18_i386.deb
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12:09<abrotman>that's all it says ?
12:09<MacDada>!tell MacDada about grounding
12:09<MacDada>ok, i see :]
12:09<abrotman>!tell MacDada about selftell
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12:09<abrotman>lulzy: paste all the output
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12:11<MK13>quick question: what's the reason for the dvd images (1-5), do they contain more packages or something?
12:11<paistis>Hi i have problem with pulseaudio and surraund 5.1, amarok play music too fast,music sound like it is speed up
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12:11<abrotman>lulzy: see .. the rest of the that information would have been useful hours ago :)
12:11<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:12<lulzy>i just thought the error code was it
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12:12<abrotman>that error code is useless without context
12:13<abrotman>so basically .. the trick is to make dpkg think that it owns the libc6-i686
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12:13<abrotman>lulzy: did you do anything silly to your system like install libc6 from ubuntu or something ?
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12:14<MK13>what's the reason for so many dvds (1-5) during installation none of the others besides 1 was needed
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12:14<Redrum>abrotman: he mentioned that he changed his mainboard, could it be that it also changed system's architecture or something like that?
12:14<wooj>optional packages, I presume for people who might not have a network connection during install or something.
12:14<abrotman>lulzy: do a `dpkg --get-selections > /tmp/packages` .. go into the file .. and change two of the lines to libc6 and libc6-i686 .. delete the third line .. then dpkg --get-selections < /tmp/packages .. then apt-get dselect-upgrade
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12:14<abrotman>Redrum: debian boots?
12:15<Redrum>right that was silly
12:15<hyperactivething>Hello, does anyone have experience using an Encore enlwi-g2 wireless card on debian (or any linux distro)?
12:15<locklace>lulzy: did you look at those sections in the debian reference manual link?
12:15<abrotman>MK13: you could have done the install with the netinst
12:16<lulzy>go into what file? all dpkg --get-selections > /tmp/packages did was take me onto a new line
12:16<locklace>lulzy: they tell you how to rebuild your dpkg database from the contents of /usr/share/doc
12:16<abrotman>hyperactivething: do you know the chipset ?
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12:17<hyperactivething>*chipset: realtek RTL8185L
12:17<MK13>MK13:...i know how to install... i am asking why the extra DVD's like more packages or something?
12:17<MK13>thnx wooj.
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12:18<EmleyMoor>You don't need them if you have an Internet connection but they give you at least the packages in main
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12:19<lulzy>locklace: go into what file? all dpkg --get-selections > /tmp/packages did was take me onto a new line
12:19<MK13>kk, thought so... so only the 1st disk is needed and the other 4's content can be downloaded as needed
12:19<abrotman>lulzy: i gave you all that junk
12:19<abrotman>lulzy: go to edit /tmp/packages and do the rest of what i said
12:19<EmleyMoor>MK13: 1st is more than sufficient
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12:19<hyperactivething>Hello, does anyone have experience using an Encore enlwi-g2 wireless card on debian (or any linux distro)? (chipset realtek RTL8185L)
12:20<MacDada>im trying to search reference but i dont find any information about grounding (
12:20<gsimmons>!tell hyperactivething -about rtl8185
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12:21<MK13>thnx everyone, just trying debian since i am currently a ubuntu user
12:21<locklace>lulzy: you can do what abrotman said, but also look at section 6.3.4
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12:24<lulzy>thats what keeps happening
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12:30<abrotman>lulzy: that's not what i said to do
12:30<abrotman>lulzy: oh .. shit .. sorry .. dpkg --set-selections < /tmp/packages
12:30<lulzy>you said to edit tmp packages so i did
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12:31<lulzy>ill reedit
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12:32<|Source|>what's the name of the package that contains the application for downloading/compiling/installing third-party kernel modules from source ?
12:32<|Source|>something modules or mod
12:32<lulzy>that didnt work
12:32<dpkg>[module-assistant] a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them, or "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare".
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12:33<|Source|>simonrvn: takk!
12:33<abrotman>lulzy: none of it?
12:33<ubuntu>where are you
12:33<lulzy>i edited with nano, then saved
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12:34<lulzy>then did dpkg --set-selections < /tmp/packages and then apt-get dselect-upgrade
12:34<lulzy>then it just gave me the same usual error about depencies
12:35<abrotman>that's not the usual error
12:35<abrotman>use the paste site
12:35<lulzy> *
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12:40<abrotman>lulzy: see if the method locklace pasted from the site will help
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12:40<lulzy>i dont know how to do that when i tried
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12:41<abrotman>that one ?
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12:41<abrotman>it's a script
12:42<lulzy>yes thats what i dont know how to run
12:42<locklace>the reference guide link is better i think
12:42<locklace> section 6.3.4
12:42<lulzy>ive tried that
12:42<lulzy>didnt work
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12:43<locklace>did you check to see if you had a good /var/lib/dpkg/status-old or /var/backups/dpkg.status.*?
12:44<lulzy>yes both say permission denied
12:44<locklace>you have to do all of this as root
12:44<lulzy>i am root
12:45<locklace>then you shouldn't get any "permission denied" errors when trying to read or write files or dirs.
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12:46<lulzy>server:~# /var/backups/dpkg.status.*
12:46<lulzy>-bash: /var/backups/dpkg.status.0: Permission denied
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12:47<locklace>lulzy: you're supposed to look at them, not try to execute them
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12:48<locklace>lulzy: paste "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status* /var/backups/dpkg.status.*"
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12:49<locklace>ah hah. your last good backup is dpkg.status.2.gz
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12:53<locklace>lulzy: paste "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info"
12:53<lulzy>i cant
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12:56<locklace>lulzy: why not
12:57<lulzy>putty doesnt give me the whole output
12:57<lulzy>i think what im going to do is reinstall it all
12:58<locklace>lulzy: let's try one more thing.
12:58<lulzy>ok then
12:58<locklace>lulzy: ls /usr/share/doc | egrep -v '([A-Z])|(^debian)' | awk '{print $1 " install"}' | dpkg --set-selections
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13:00<lulzy>did nothing
13:01<locklace>lulzy: "returned no output" is not the same as "did nothing" ;)
13:01<locklace>lulzy: if you now run "dpkg --get-selections | less" and just look through the output, do you see lots of packages marked "install"?
13:02<lulzy>no just the 3 before
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13:07<locklace>lulzy: does "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status" still show that it has size 68886?
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13:08<locklace>lulzy: ok, can you "dpkg --clear-selections"
13:08<locklace>then check that ls -l again
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13:09<lulzy>yes retured no ouput
13:10<locklace>does the ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status show same size or some other size?
13:11<locklace>ok, that's interesting. what does dpkg --get-selections show now?
13:11<lulzy>3 packages
13:12<locklace>lulzy: ok, "mv /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/lib/dpkg/status.bak" and then rerun the long command above:
13:12<locklace>lulzy: ls /usr/share/doc | egrep -v '([A-Z])|(^debian)' | awk '{print $1 " install"}' | dpkg --set-selections
13:13<lulzy>dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory
13:13<dpkg>You are moron #2, lulzy
13:13<locklace>lulzy: ok, try first creating it: "touch /var/lib/dpkg/status"
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13:14<locklace>then rerun the long command
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13:14<locklace>ok, now what does dpkg --get-selections show?
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13:15<lulzy>no ouput
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13:15<locklace>and "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/status" shows what size?
13:16<lulzy>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 66403 2009-05-31 19:13 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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13:17<locklace>lulzy: hm. can you just run "less" on that file and paste the first couple of pages?
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13:18<lulzy>man i have to go
13:18<lulzy>ill coem back soon
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13:20<locklace>hehe. he wins the prize for most hosed system of the week
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13:24<Redrum>Agree xD
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13:30<Guest8>estoy probando la version de xubuntu pero live cd
13:30<Guest8>alguien me puede orientar que distribucion de linux
13:30<Guest8>es mas liviana
13:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:31<Guest8>ya que tengo una maquina muy antigua
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13:32<Redrum>por favor ve al canal debian-es, este canal es exclusivamente en inglés
13:32<Redrum>please go to channel debian-es, this channel is exclusively for English language.
13:32<arkratos>hay una distribucion llamada puppy, es muy pequeña
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13:32<Guest8>y de donde la descargo
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13:33<bobby>Hi, I have set up 2 desktops
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13:34<bobby>when I move to the 2nd one, I can still see the applications that are open in the first one, in minimized form
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13:34<bobby>how can I "not see" these minimized applications?
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13:34<arkratos>you can find a list of linux distributions in wikipedia
13:35<valdyn>bobby: gnome or kde ?
13:35<xemacs4321>or distrowatch
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13:36<arkratos>this question have very years without resolve
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13:37<bobby>arkratos: you mean my question?
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13:38<arkratos>its that i hear this questions how a million
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14:32<matt7676>hello, I tried couple of Windows programs under Debian using Wine and I was rather impressed. However, is here somebody who knows how far can wine go? Is it possible to provide 100% compatibility some day?
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14:34<Slurb>compatability changes with new files
14:34<Slurb>dlls and such
14:35<Slurb>so its always gonna be hit or miss i would assume
14:35<Nemoder>matt7676: some older applications may work perfectly, new ones will definitely be hit or miss
14:35<Slurb>virtualware on the other hand works well for programs
14:35<Nemoder>matt7676: check for issues
14:35<Stummi>matt7676, imho there will never be 100% windows-support
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14:36<Slurb>i have a question
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14:36<Stummi>you can use dualboot or virutal machines for windows-programs.. or look for alternative programms for linux
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14:36<Slurb>is there any way to get a program off the broken list without removing it
14:37<Slurb>i forced gimp because i know the dependencies are satisfied but apt doesnt
14:37<Slurb>and gimp runs
14:37<Slurb>but apt says its broken
14:38<Slurb>so how can i fix apt?
14:38<Stummi>try dpkg --configure -a
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14:41<plt>can anyone help with "chkconfig not found" on debian ?
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14:41<Slurb>still broken
14:42<Stummi>paste the exakt output of apt, pls
14:42<Nemoder>plt: I believe it resides in /sbin/ which means it's only in root's path by default
14:43<plt>there is no such file or dir in sbin
14:43<Nemoder>then perhaps you don't have it installed
14:43<Stummi>plt: What says "whereis gimp"?
14:43<plt>shouldn't it come by default ?
14:43<Nemoder>plt: apt-get install chkconfig
14:43<plt>i used aptitude install chkconfig
14:43<Slurb>gimp: Depends: libwebkit-1.0-1 (>= 1.0.1) but it is not installable
14:43<Nemoder>or that
14:43<plt>and it says coudn't find any package
14:44<plt>stummi : when i do whereis gimp
14:44<plt>i get "gimp:" that's all
14:44<Slurb>im in sid
14:44<Nemoder>plt: which version of debian did you install?
14:44<plt>does debian have a chkconfig at all ??
14:44<plt>its lenny 5.0.1
14:44<plt>i saw lot of webpages about etch : what's the diff between lenny and etch ?
14:45<Nemoder>plt: etch is old, lenny is latest stable
14:45<plt>also i tried to get ddclient by using "aptitude install ddclient" - but again it can't find the package
14:45<plt>nemoder : ok
14:45<Nemoder>plt: sounds like your /etc/apt/sources.list needs fixing
14:45<plt>i can find the package ddclient on the debian pacakge list
14:45<plt>i checked the sources.list
14:45<plt>and searched online - it has same stuff as i found online
14:45<Nemoder>plt: and then run aptitude update
14:46<plt>did that too
14:46<Nemoder>plt: pastebin your sources.list
14:46<Stummi>Slurb: What says "apt-get install libwebkit-1.0-1"?
14:46<plt>let me try
14:46<plt>it says 73.7 MB etc.. and if i want to continue
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14:47<plt>following new packages will be installed etc..
14:47<plt>so that one seems to work
14:47<plt>what's the url for the pastebin ?
14:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
14:48<Slurb>Stummi: it install
14:48<plt>that's my sources.list
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14:49<plt>btw - can i remove the CD entries from the sources.list - to avoid having to save all the CDs and just use the network ?
14:50<Nemoder>plt: yes but you'll need an actual line for net source not just security
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14:51<Nemoder>plt: deb stable main contrib non-free
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14:52<plt>i just add this ?
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14:53<plt>btw, how can i remove the cd rom stuff ? - i don't want to update from cds anymore, just use the network ?
14:53<Nemoder>plt: yes it should work, you can comment the cdrom lines too
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14:54<ml|>plt: deb-src stable main <--- add this one too
14:55<Nemoder>yes, that too if you want source code
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14:56<ml|>have you ever used debian multimedia, you want to add that too
14:56<plt>guys, when i do "aptitude install libio-socket-ssl-perl"
14:56<plt>it shows 0
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14:56<plt>don't need multimediat at least for now
14:56<Nemoder>plt: did you update after editing sources.list?
14:56<plt>but when i add the CD lines
14:56<plt>it asks for the bin cds
14:56<plt>will do that
14:56<ml|>right update
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14:57<plt>its fetching some stuff :
14:57<ml|>you can remove the lines for cdrom if ya like
14:57<plt>but i get this error :
14:57<plt>Err lenny/main Packages
14:57<plt> 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
14:57<plt>ya, the CD thing is a pain
14:57<plt>cool it works now !!
14:58<plt>cool !
14:58<plt>been struggling since morning to get a package
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14:58<plt>thanks a lot guys !
14:59<plt>ml / nemo : have you guys used with vmware by any chance ?
14:59<ml|>deb /updates main contrib #
14:59<plt># ?
14:59<Nemoder>plt: no, I use qemu
15:00<plt>what network driver do you specify it as for debian ?
15:00<plt>with vmware i asked it to use e1000
15:00<plt>and had problems with it on my T61 (which is supposed to match e1000 I think)
15:00<plt>but when i remove the e1000 line in the vmware vmx file, everything works -
15:00<abrotman>ml|: that's not right
15:01<plt>with e1000 ping -s 1000 doesn't work, but without it it works ! - took weeks for me to figure out why things weren't working
15:01<Nemoder>I just go with the defaults in qemu, haven't had any network issues
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15:02<ml|>plt: deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free deb-src lenny/updates main <--- these should work better for security
15:02<ml|>abrotman: ?
15:03<abrotman>that's not what you typed earlier
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15:03<ml|>did you see the oops right after :P
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15:07<ml|>plt: you can also try kvm or virtualbox
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15:14<h>i have a problem, i cant end dpkg --configure -a gives error 1
15:15<h>and i cant make aptitude install anything
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15:15<plt>virtualbox ?
15:15<plt>does it work with windows ?
15:15<plt>i have windows xp and want to install debian on it inside some virtual thing
15:16<plt>let me check these out ...
15:16<h>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem
15:16<h>but i cant
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15:16<ml|>plt: this on a different system?
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15:17<h>can anyone helpme? that happened after dist upgrade
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15:17<ml|>dpkg: tell plt about vbox
15:18<h>it says it can block the file meaning usualy that dpkg or apt is being instaling other package
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15:19<plt>ml : looked up vbox , don't run on windows :(
15:19<plt>anyway vmware is working ok for me now at least finally
15:19<ml|>plt: yes it does ...
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15:24<plt>ml : is there a way to completely remove the effect of aptitude install ?
15:24<plt>i did apttiude install ddclient
15:24<plt>and when it showed the screen i stopped it using ctrl-c
15:25<plt>now it won't let me use apttiude install unless i did a dpkg --configure -a which i did and it continued the ddclient installation but gave an error
15:25<plt>now i did aptitude remove ddclient
15:25<plt>and again aptitude install ddclient
15:25<plt>but can't get that screen back again
15:26<ml|>what screen?
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15:28<plt>the screen with widgets
15:28<plt>that helps setup ddclient
15:28<plt>just all text, but sort of a gui
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15:29<plt>basically somehow the aptitude remove did n't completelyundo the impatc of install
15:29<ml|>try aptitude purge and when it's done reinstall it again
15:30<plt>aptitude remove
15:30<plt>and then aptitude purge ?
15:31<ml|>no just aptitude purge
15:31<ml|>plt: man aptitude
15:31<plt>cool !
15:31<plt>works !
15:32<ml|>so app is working now?
15:32<plt>i am still configuring it
15:32<plt>but i see the gui
15:32<plt>is there a a way to stop the installation and the gui ?
15:33<plt>i tried esc, but doesn't exit the gui
15:33<plt>basically the apttiude install ddclient feteched from stuff from the network
15:33<plt>and then showed the gui - i tried ESC and then ctrl-c to stop it
15:33<plt>and now with the purge i can reget the gui upon aptitude install again
15:33<plt>but just curious how to exit a gui provided via an aptitude install
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15:35<ml|>that's problably part of the install proccess for that app, i have never installed that so dunno, i think you must go thru all the steps
15:36<plt>anyway now i have optoin of ctrl-c and using purge to go back...
15:37<onur>2323123 3\ss sdd sdqs
15:37<onur>ups sorry
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15:42<sighK>what is everyones favorite gui
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15:44<sighK>ust al be bots
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16:10<tom550>Hey. I'm running unstable. GRUB is unresponsive to any keyboard input. Does anybody have any ideas? (I've tried this with USB and PS/2 keyboards. Same behaviour with both.)
16:13<adb>but entering BIOS works ?
16:14<adb> with both ?
16:15<adb>in testing is ok ?
16:15<tom550>I've not tried it in testing. Should I? (`aptitude -t testing grub` ?)
16:16<adb>no, i means when all system is testing
16:16<azeem>tom550: do you use grub or grub2?
16:16<tom550>azeem: Grub.
16:16<tom550>adb: I don't know what you mean.
16:16<adb>well was*
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16:16<azeem>then there'd be no difference between testing and unstable
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16:17<adb>oh, ok
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16:22<Gattuso>there is some way to use blur effect under windows without compiz on xfce??
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16:36<deniz>is there a calculation in the repositories that is like a graphing calculator or that would at least allow me to use statistics tools because it's extrmely annoying to put 19 different marks using a regular calculator since i dont have a graphing calculator in real life
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16:38<felixd>test ;]
16:38<Stummi>felixd: test failed
16:38<felixd>no, it works :) ok :)
16:39<felixd> - /IGNORE #debian ALL -PUBLIC -ACTIONS
16:39<felixd>for Irssi :)
16:39<felixd>I just didn't want to see all the joins and parts and other stuff :) only msg's from people :)
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16:58<ml|>deniz: apt-cache search helps
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17:44<sthunder>Marcos: Hola
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17:44<Marcos>sthunder, te puedo hacer una consulta?
17:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:45<sthunder>Marcos: Claro, si puedo ayudarte con todo gusto
17:45<Marcos>entraré a debian-es mejor, gracia de todos modos!
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17:45<sthunder>Marcos: Ok, suerte
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17:48<serhhh>anyone studies programming languages theory
17:48<serhhh>whats the use of a delimited continuation
17:49<locklace>serhhh: you're going to want to ask about that on a cs channel
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17:55<avtobiff>serhhh, i have never heard of delimited continuation. but from what i see it is similar to the y/fix point/paradoxical combinator in lambda calculus.
17:57<serhhh>and the use for it?
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17:57<serhhh>from wiki i get an idea
17:57<serhhh>but its for some function
17:57<abrotman>serhhh: there is a #programming on
17:57<avtobiff>thy y combinator is used to form recursion in lambda calculus.
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18:00<locklace>serhhh: or just pick a haskell or scheme channel, those people can spend all day talking about that stuff
18:00<serhhh>avtobiff is big help in any case
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18:14<vook>anyone have any suggestions for a good web spider or crawer script ? I'm looking at heritrix currently. I'm building a small search engine - preferably based on postgresql but possibly MySQL.
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19:08<Light->hi, I just installed debian 5.01 on an old laptop I have. It has a 16-bit PCMCIA Xircom RealPort ethernet card, which was recognised fine by the installer. However, once the system is installed and booted, the card is no longer recognised. Would someone be able to tell me what the process debian-installer used to set it up so I can manually replicate it?
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19:11<LazurBeemz>Anyone what can cause svn not to connect to the host although it can be ping-ed and lynx-ed
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19:12<Light->are you using the svn:// method or the http:// method?
19:12<Light->dunno then
19:13<LazurBeemz>It's really bizzare though.
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19:13<LazurBeemz>I reinstalled debian about 2 hours ago
19:13<LazurBeemz>None of my other boxes have this problem
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19:30<valdyn>Light-: it probably just loads the modules randomly
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19:31<valdyn>Light-: is the pcmciautils package installed?
19:32<Light->I figured out its using the module "xirc2ps_cs" and modprobed that, but nothing happened. and pcmciautils is installed
19:32<Light->`pccardctl ls` yeilds nothing
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19:33<valdyn>Light-: lspcmcia
19:33<valdyn>Light-: a pccard should be something else
19:33<Light->lspcmcia also shows nothing
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19:34<valdyn>Light-: first you need the driver for the pcmcia controller
19:34<Light->I see.. so how do I find out what that driver is? can it be determined by booting up the installer and switching to a virtual terminal?
19:35<valdyn>Light-: lspci | grep -i cardbus
19:35<Light->haha this laptop doesnt have PCI
19:35<Light->its that old
19:36<Light->it only supports 16-bit pcmcia cards
19:36<valdyn>Light-: ok, i dont know the new isa tools
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19:36<valdyn>Light-: so booting up the installer would be one way
19:37<Light->ok i'll do that
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19:43<hachi>how do I ask apt/aptitude to only upgrade packages matching a glob?
19:43<hachi>I tried to do `aptitude full-upgrade tex\*`
19:43<hachi>but it doesn't match with glob like apt does, I guess
19:44<Light->valdyn: ok its finally booted up and passed the DHCP stage, what do I do now?
19:44<valdyn>Light-: alt-f1, run lsmod
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19:45<Light->ok, the only pcmcia related things that I can see are "xirc2ps_cs","pcmcia","pcmcia_core","firmware_class"
19:46<valdyn>pcmcia_core 35600 3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
19:46<valdyn>i know that yenta_socket is my hardware driver
19:46<valdyn>your hardware driver too must depend on pcmcia_core
19:47<Light->oh I see, mine says "pcmcia_core 31760 4 xirc2ps_cs,pcmcia,i82365,rsrc_nonstatic"
19:47<Light->so is i82365 the controller driver?
19:47<Light->or rsrc_nonstatic?
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19:48<valdyn>read /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports to see which or if it uses ioports and interrupts
19:48<valdyn>and note those values
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19:48<valdyn>you *might* have to specify those values when loading i82365 later
19:50<Light->it uses irq 11 if im reading this properly (from /proc/interrupts) and I dont see it in the ioport list, although I do see a pcmcia_socket0 on 0300-030f
19:51<valdyn>Light-: guess thats ok
19:51<Light->ok so do I reboot into the hdd install and try modprobing i82365?
19:51<valdyn>Light-: ioports does not list the module names in general, sometimes it does
19:51<Light->I see
19:52<valdyn>Light-: or "modprobe i82365 irq=11 ioport=0x300" or somesuch
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19:52<valdyn>Light-: "modinfo i82365" will list possible parameters
19:52<Light->ok, i'll try that, thanks heaps for your help
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19:53<valdyn>Light-: point is im not familiar with kernel 2.6 and isa, im giving you 5 year old knowledge
19:53<valdyn>Light-: theres some pnp mechanisms for isa which im not familiar with
19:53<Light->well they dont appear to be working so...
19:55<valdyn>Light-: the discover package might do it
19:55<Light->ok i'll check it out, although it'd have to be already installed because I cant install anything without network
19:55<valdyn>Light-: ah, good point
19:56<valdyn>Light-: well, once you figured it out without it theres not really anymore point in using it for that nic anyway
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19:58<Light->aha! you're a genius, modprobing xirc2ps_cs then i82365 worked perfectly
19:58<Light->now to get it to do that on startup
19:58<Light->but I can consult the documentation for that
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20:53<Ace2017_->Hi all
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21:00<Ace2017_->how can i find out if atop's networking patch has been included in the latest kernel in sid?
21:00<Ace2017_->oh, i downloaded linux-patch-debian-2.6.29_2.6.29-5~bpo50+1_all.deb and i extracted it and tried to find the patch in it
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21:05<Ace2017_->i can't find any mention of atop in but the disk activity monitor works and the network activity monitor does not, but they both require patch
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21:06<h4ck3r>I'll find you!
21:07<h4ck3r>I don't know I was working on that but now I'm just going to haunt you!
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21:07<Ace2017_->how can you do that when you can't find me?
21:08<h4ck3r>hmmm now all I need is a AHH HA FOUND YOU SUCKA!!!!
21:08<h4ck3r>good question but I'm sorry Dave but I'm afraid I can't answer
21:09<abrotman>h4ck3r: do you have a debian question?
21:10<h4ck3r>no except how to make wine friggin work!!!! with text
21:10<h4ck3r>are you a dev or admin or thought police officer
21:11<abrotman>does it matter?
21:11<abrotman>just ask your real question .. and wait for an answer
21:11<h4ck3r>ur scary poppin up and talkin and all oh and yes it does matter
21:11<abrotman>so you don't have a real question?
21:12<h4ck3r>that is a real question it just might not apply to ur specifications good sir
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21:13<h4ck3r> I'll ask a friggin question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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21:14<abrotman>h4ck3r: either ask a real question or be quiet
21:15<dsmith>Why does udevadm make my system startup hang for about 2 minutes? Why does it also seem to ignore a --timeout option? This was happening in Lenny as well as the current Testing. Why is there no bugs about this?
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21:15<h4ck3r>WOW THERE'S 2 OF U and if you want a real question you get technicaly a real question it just is not the f***ing ? ur looking FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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21:17<Hideo>bam! there goes the internet tough guy
21:17<abrotman>dsmith: is there a verbose logging feature to see what is going on?
21:18<dsmith>abrotman, Yes, but it's basically useless.
21:18<abrotman>if you restart it manually, does the same thing happen?
21:19<dsmith>abrotman, it says "hey I'm calling settle" and that's about it.
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21:19<dsmith>abrotman, It seems to run instantly after the system is up.
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21:20<dsmith>abrotman, It's the udevadm settle in /etc/init.d/udev
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21:24<eaglestar>hi i just changed to debian lenny from ubuntu jaunty because ubuntu was making my computer run a bit slower my question is i am using lxde and i don't see program icons when i minimize them in the tray all i see are tiny folders and i have no way to see which tab i need to open when using the computer
21:24<eaglestar>how do i change that?
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21:28<aardvarX>i installed lenny with lxde, and i see icons on the lxpanel :\
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21:51<dsmith>Hmm. I wonder it this applies:
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22:28<Co_X>dear all... help me on clean up mess on apt that i have made...
22:29<Co_X>i cannot use synaptic, synaptic said 114 broken package
22:29<Co_X>and i cannot open menu setting>repositories at synaptic
22:30<Co_X>it happen since i add all CD image 1 by 1 but at CD iso #4 was broken
22:30<Co_X>thank you for all your help
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22:47<ChronoX>Hello guys, i need help. I have a ATI X1200 and now its not working well. after some uninstalls and reinstall i lost half of my performace with glxgears. Using Lenny AMD64
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22:51<ChronoX>Please Help...
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22:54<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (ie. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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22:55<sney>one time my grandmother was trying to say that something was a goldmine, but she messed up and said "this is a minefield!"
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22:55<sney>our bot dpkg is a veritable minefield of information. use him
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22:57<ChronoX>ok, ty, if i send you my xorg.conf can you see if its all ok?
22:58<ChronoX>i think it must be on xorg.conf... please help
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22:59<kenyon_>why do you have two Device sections
23:00<kenyon_>and Monitor and Screen
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23:00<ChronoX>i have deleted it now
23:00<ChronoX>but i think its not rhe problem...
23:00<kenyon_>oh yeah, I see that it refers to the correct ones
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23:01<ChronoX>on Catalyst i put to less all things... to see when 3d become ok
23:02<ChronoX>there is no need for modules or files loading?
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23:07<ChronoX>there is no need for modules or files loading?
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23:16<ChronoX>OK, ill resolve it later... i have a mic, i plug it on computer, i can listen the sound of mic from the headphone. But no recording works..
23:17<ChronoX>i put it on Capture 1, opened Gnome sound recorder, selected Capture 1 and record.. no sound recorded
23:18<ChronoX>Can anyone help me
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23:36<Computer_Man>any one have a idea where I can get a driver for a dell gx260 video card so I can run confiz?
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23:51<nw-b>how can I connect to a wireless network? I have no idea on how to do it, or which apps to use
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23:59<chealer>nw-b: what kind of wireless network?
23:59<nw-b>chealer, wep
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