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---Logopened Wed Jun 03 00:00:00 2009
---Daychanged Wed Jun 03 2009
00:00<drakeman>mmm, any mozilla folder?
00:01<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, try to look for /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
00:01<drakeman>and look for the file.
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00:05<TongueOfColicab>well i have copied the file to the firefox's plugins folder
00:05<TongueOfColicab>and now this works fine
00:05<TongueOfColicab>thanks a lot
00:06<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, you welcome
00:06<TongueOfColicab>should i copy all the .so files on iceweasel's plugins folder to the firefox??
00:07<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, if your firefox is working fine dont know why you should copy all the other files, but if you want it you can.
00:07<TongueOfColicab>ok thanks
00:07<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, just my tought!
00:07<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, ok!
00:07<TongueOfColicab>i can watch dragon ball episodes fine on my lenny gg
00:08<drakeman>lol!, damn, i hate drango ball, i you would say that before i wouldnt help you
00:08<TongueOfColicab>have to see saint seiya later =)
00:09<drakeman>see you!
00:10<TongueOfColicab>k, thanks again
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00:28<sun>hi what's the easiest way to rip a dvd to .mov or .avi?
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01:07<c>hi, what is this FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet warnings.warn("apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning
01:07<sney>it's a warning
01:07<sney>if it's not breaking anything, and you're not a programmer, it's safe to ignore it.
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01:22<c>rkhunter say:"Please inspect: /dev/.static (directory) /dev/.udev (directory) /dev/.initramfs (directory)" What I need do?
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01:23<Woet>I've configured a crontab to run every 10 minutes. According to syslog, it runs fine:
01:23<Woet>Jun 3 07:20:01 manatee /USR/SBIN/CRON[13101]: (ffs) CMD (php -f /home/ffs/domains/ #Banlist)
01:23<Woet>however, it does not get executed.
01:23<jm_>it does, otherwise it wouldn't show up there
01:23<Woet>it works fine when I execute that exact command myself as 'ffs', but the crontab fails somehow.
01:23<Woet>jm_: everything what's in import.php does not get executed.
01:24<Woet>it doesn't send me an E-Mail, like I configured it to (it does when executing manually)
01:24<Woet>and it also doesn't write a log file, which it does when executing manually
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01:30<Woet>jm_: any idea?
01:30<jm_>Woet: the easiest way to see what happens is by stracing cron or write a wrapper shell script
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01:35<jm_>Woet: cron can also send you mail if an error occurs
01:35<jm_>or if command has output etc.
01:35<Woet>jm_: how to configure it?
01:36<Dats`>That is a hypothetical question.
01:36<jm_>Woet: by setting MAILTO variable
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01:37<jm_>Woet: it sends mail to the owner of crontab by default
01:37<Dats`>What do you really want to ask me?
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01:41<Woet>jm_: great
01:41<Woet>'/bin/sh: php: command not found'
01:41<Dats`>I'm afraid I can't give you an accurate answer right now.
01:41<jm_>Woet: heh, use absolute path
01:41<Woet>and what is up with Dats`?
01:41<Woet>kinda annoying.
01:42<Dats`>I do not understand.
01:42<jm_>ignore them
01:42<Dats`>I am glad we agree.
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01:47<Woet>bye Dats` :)
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01:47<Dats`>:-) Goodbye.
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03:49<kingsley>Why can't I edit the table at
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03:57<kingsley>Oops, wrong channel.
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04:07<AzaTht>I'm trying to figure out how to keep an USB harddrive from being "removed" from an RAID array during boot, anyone has any ideas? all google told me was to modify initrd, but as we are not using initrd, that is a bit moot :(
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04:08<AzaTht>"relevant" output is at
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04:14<jm_>I don't see it being removed
04:15<AzaTht>jm_: the second device is sdb1
04:15<AzaTht>on USB
04:15<jm_>AzaTht: it's never even added
04:15<AzaTht>not removed per se, but not included
04:16<AzaTht>meant that
04:16<jm_>that would be because it's not available when auto-scan is performed
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04:16<AzaTht>suspected that
04:16<AzaTht>but I'm trying to figure out if there is an easy way to resolve the issue
04:16<AzaTht>in a good way
04:17<AzaTht>I don't want to "prohibit" our customers from using USB drives in an array, even though it is always better to use eSATA for this
04:19<jm_>I doubt using raid= option would help with this, probably best done via initrd
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04:19<AzaTht>jm_: sadly we are not uasing initrd :(
04:19<jm_>AzaTht: why would it be a problem to use it?
04:20<AzaTht>don't think there is a problem, just that we are not using it
04:20<jm_>I recommend you to switch to using initrd
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04:25<AzaTht>jm_: you don't think there is an viable option without using initrd?
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04:26<jm_>AzaTht: I don't think you can delay raid auto-detection like you can delay mount of rootfs
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04:26<AzaTht>perhaps removing raid autodetection
04:27<AzaTht>and do it manually in later stage
04:27<jm_>well sure, if that's an option ..
04:27<jm_>I thought you need it at boot
04:27<AzaTht>as we are never going to have the root filesystem on raid
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04:56<locklace>dpkg: qotd0
04:56<dpkg><scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good
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05:00<dpkg><bja> Gateway: Your english is somewhat broken anc you be more specific
05:01<prahal_>hi anyone knows of an itunes store client ? I know all the hymn projects about removing drm though I am interested in buying new its mp3 (so no drm).
05:01<prahal_>I also know about all the other platforms (an dbuy from them) . NOte that I am in france (amazon mp3 is told to come since 2007)
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05:03<ml|>so you can't from amazon
05:03<prahal_>I am especially fond of 7digital though this time the title I am looking after is rather hard to find anywhere (it is for performous, I d like to enjoy karaoke too)
05:03<prahal_>no I cannot . geolocalization prevents me ...
05:03<prahal_>stupid I know . even 7digital I cannot access the uk service which has way more titles than the beta fr
05:04<ml|>yeah it's record companies shooting them selfs in the foot
05:05<prahal_>I will end up using wine+itunes though it is bloated as hell ... a small dedicated client to the its would be perfect
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05:05<ml|>yeah itunes blows gl
05:06<prahal_>ml|: true. They are blind about technology and shoot like a duke'nukem ... no wonder they end up hurting themselves
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05:07<prahal_>I am especially fond of the apple talk about our new law that protect them ... they are crying because the law requires the ability for users to buy from any platforms :)
05:07<prahal_>bah going the wine way thanks anyway
05:08<ml|>yeah no fun take care
05:08<azeem_>anybody remember how to do SSH port forwarding in sarge?
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05:08<azeem>I get "Bad forwarding specification ''
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05:12<jm_>azeem: did ssh in sarge support specifying bind address like that too?
05:13<azeem>apparently not
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06:43<zebulon>Hi there, I need an advice on whether it is compulsory to put a deb package binary in /usr/bin
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06:44<jm_>zebulon: not really - there are many in /sbin and /usr/sbin :)
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06:45<zebulon>I meant out of the root directory... like in ~/
06:45<jm_>yes, /home is out of question
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06:49<koollman>is there some way to ask aptitude (or perhaps the apt system) to NOT keep packages in /var/cache/apt/archives ? (like, removing them once the installation is done)
06:49<koollman>or should I just remove them regularly ?
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06:50<jm_>koollman: yeah, via apt.conf
06:50<koollman>I haven't found that ... I found options for 'cleaning', but it seems to keep the most recently used packages anyway
06:51<jm_>hmm no - I remember it wrong, it's for http cache options
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06:53<insmod>anyone know if there is a way to fix webcam access on youtube and such sites ? it just holds at the allow access pop up
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06:56<jm_>sounds like flash crap, not sure if it even supports that on linux
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07:04<insmod><jm_>yay worked before
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07:06<jm_>insmod: in linux? interesting
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07:19<kashif>hi all
07:20<kashif>my python file is not working
07:20<kashif>error in httpd.conf file
07:20<EmleyMoor>Are Dell's built-in Bluetooth modules or a common USB one better in Debian?
07:20<gsimmons>kashif: Is this related to Trac again?
07:21<kashif>Trac is working fine
07:21<azeem>EmleyMoor: I don't think it matters much usually
07:21<kashif>i am really thankful to you
07:22<gsimmons>kashif: Provide the error and relevant Apache configuration at a pastebin.
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07:24<kashif>gsimmons: Thanks
07:24<kashif>gsimmons: it is working
07:24<kashif>but when i tried for any user then
07:25<kashif>gsimmons: and open python file on browser then it gives save and open option for python file
07:27<kashif>gsimmons : i just want any body should able to run py file on browser from it own public_html/cgi-bin
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07:33<tyson>Chanserv list all
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07:36<tyson>anyoe there?
07:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:43<kashif>gsimmons: thanks now i solved my problem cheers!
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07:54<valdyn>kashif: thats a fucked up idea
07:54<kashif>valdyn : what
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07:54<valdyn>kashif: giving users cgi-bin
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08:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:11<rayarn>hey.. just joined the channel. could someone recommend the best channel for asking debian questions regarding webservers, mysql etc?
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09:12<themill>rayarn: just ask
09:12<buffoon_work_>rayarn, I'm sure somebody can help you here. Just ask your question
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09:21<zebulon>rayarn: xampp is a good start in my opimion
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09:38<rayarn>themill, buffon_work_, zebulon. thanks. Don`t have any questions atm. Just looking to get into the community and the right channels :)
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09:49<trupheenix>libgthread is part of which package?
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09:50<avu>!tell trupheenix about search
09:50<trupheenix>avu hmmm no response
09:51<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>.
09:52<trupheenix>avu it doesn't give any respnse
09:52<trupheenix>apt-cache search
09:52<trupheenix>doesn't give any results sorry
09:52<avu>so you tried the first thing the factoid mentioned
09:52<trupheenix>apt-cache search gthread doesn't give any results
09:52<valdyn>trupheenix: SURE it doesnt give any response
09:52<valdyn>trupheenix: we know
09:52<avu>trupheenix, read the whole thing dpkg said
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09:52<avu>not just the 1.5 sentences
09:52<avu>the first even
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09:53<trupheenix>valdyn, i deleted libgthread.a by mistake so i want to know which package on reinstalling will give me the file back.
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09:53<avu>trupheenix, yes. and dpkg just told you how you can find out what package that file belongs to
09:53<valdyn>trupheenix: and were supposed to destill the solution out from 4 lines dpkg said?
09:53<themill>trupheenix: as dpkg told you, apt-file search libgthread.a
09:54<avu>bad themill
09:54<trupheenix>got it :)
09:54<trupheenix>it works! :)
09:55<themill>no, bad themill would have been "it's in libglib1.2-dev"
09:55<avu>that would have been worse themill :)
09:55<trupheenix>my case it's libglib2.0-dev
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10:09<zhxk> iknoia:are you the fucking guy in #ubuntu-ops at freenode?
10:09<azeem>zhxk: eh, this is off-topic here
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10:11<deepsa>zhxk, language please
10:11<zhxk>azeem:yes, there has
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10:15<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. In kernel 2.6.26 and later, modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module. Also ask me about <shell beep>.
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10:18<zhxk>deepsa:what's up
10:19<azeem>zhxk: do you have a Debian question?
10:19<deepsa>zhxk, stay on topic , /topic
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10:42<bja>Dodi: ??
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10:44<dr|z3d>Need help with Debian, Dodi?
10:44<stew>Dodi: do you have a debian related question? can you please stop dumping random characters?
10:46<Dodi>No, Thank's
10:46<Dodi>No, Thank's
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10:56<ixp425>is anyone here running squeeze and compiz?
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10:57<shamanix>ixp425 running sqeeze, but no compiz
10:57<ixp425>I'm having trouble with compiz and I was wondering if anyone else is too
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10:58<shamanix>I think theres a compiz channel on freenode maybe you can try that
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10:58<ixp425>i'll take a look
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11:02<seanius>ixp425: it wouldn't hurt to describe the problem in more detail here, maybe somebody might know
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11:20<nano->Where is the place to enable system wide core dumps?
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11:25<ixp425>so, anyone else having troubles with compiz in squeeze? I suspect that it could be something with the packages in squeeze
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11:29<jackyf>ixp425: can't you just report a bug to maintainer using reportbug(1)?
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11:31<ixp425>jackyf, I could...I spoze I want to know if anyone else is having the problem because if so, then it's the repo, if not, it's me. I suspect it's me because my other computer runs it just fine
11:31<jackyf>ixp425: bugs can be spurious, so...
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11:54<sd_>hello! Guys, how to translate IP address like 3232300798 to normal IPv4 form like with Perl ? Is there some special function?
11:54<bja>#perl at freenode
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11:56<locklace>!fgi sd_ perl-net-ip
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11:58<shamanix>is that even possible? (to translate ipv6 to ipv4, as ipv6 has way more possible combinations then ipv4)
11:58<themill>sd_: "here's one that I prepared earlier...."
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11:59<sd_>locklace: i was trying... :(
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12:01<stew>sd_: convert it to hex, then convert back to decimal, two places at a time
12:01<sd_>themill: thanks! I will probaly make use it. I just thought there is some kind ready-to-use function, like inet_ntoa() .
12:01<stew>perl -e 'my $hex=sprintf( "%08x", 3232300798 ); $hex=~/(..)(..)(..)(..)/ ; my $ip=hex("0x$1"). x$3") . "." .hex("0x$4") ; print $ip;'
12:02<themill>I think my ten-year-old crufty perl will do quite nicely :)
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12:04<sd_>thanks guys
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12:19<drakeman>Hello, somebody can help me cause i do some steps to jail a user into the home folder using rssh, i folllow the steps to jail the user in sftp and i dont want the user can access thorugh ssh, i finish all the steps but whwen i try to connect with that user i get Connection reset by peer message, when i enter with another normal user i can enter fine! but dont have idea where i can have the error.
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12:21<urbinek>drakeman: are you sure shat config is correct ?
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12:22<drakeman>urbinek, the sshd_config or the rsshconf?
12:24<sd_>inet_ntoa(pack("N", $tmpULarr[9])) -- most compact solution from Perl guys :)
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12:30<urbinek>rsshconf i think
12:30<drakeman>urbinek, i guess so!
12:30<urbinek>byt why you need sftp ? normal ftp isn't wnough ?
12:30<urbinek>enough *
12:30<drakeman>because the openssh server gives you the option for sftp and scp.
12:30<beer>hmm kde 4.3 beta 2 has been tagged 34 min ago. Hope to see it "debian-Soon" ind experimetal
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12:31<drakeman>urbinek, my problem is when i jail a user into sftp to the home folder, because i can use sftp normally with other users.
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12:32<urbinek>are you jailing 1 user to 1 dir or all users to 1 dir ?
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12:34<drakeman>urbinek, one user, to a 1 dir, or one home dir.
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12:35<urbinek>hmm, show me config
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12:36<nosklo>I'd like to create a "guest" user with a single password, that, when logging in on gdm, creates a temporary user instead, with a temporary homedir, and when logging off, delete that user. Did I make sense? Any hints on what to use to setup debian like this?
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12:37<nosklo>I'm having trouble in finding a good term to search on google
12:37<urbinek>nosklo: eee i don't think that you can create account while logging in gdm
12:38<nosklo>urbinek: how would I create a "guest account" setup like this then?
12:38<urbinek>you can clear account by removing all files from //home/temp-user/* ad exiting seasion
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12:39<urbinek>create normal account, setup it as you wish, set perms on config files and that's all
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12:39<urbinek>wait a sec i've sen how-to how to do this
12:39<nosklo>but then that won't allow simultaneous logons
12:39<nosklo>Thing is, that machine has lots of potential users via XDMCP
12:39<nosklo>today I have a guest1 guest2 guest3 etc setup
12:40<urbinek>mhm, i get it
12:40<nosklo>I'd like to unify guest account user "guest" password "guest" and you get a fresh account
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12:40<nosklo>even if another user is already logged in
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12:41<[machine]>nosklo: sounds like you need a custom PAM module, not aware of one that does such a thing
12:41<urbinek>and you want for each user new temp-home-dir ?
12:41<sylarr>DBus.Error.AccessDenied on usb pendrive?
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12:41<nosklo>[machine]: hm, thanks for the hint
12:42<nosklo>urbinek: exactly
12:42<[machine]>you could hack something to achieve the same effect, but you would be asking for security problems
12:42<urbinek>have you got there http server ?
12:42<drakeman>urbinek, when i try to log through sftp with the "jailed" user, i get instantly the message connection closed.
12:42<nosklo>urbinek: no
12:42<nosklo>[machine]: Security is not a concern
12:43<urbinek>drakeman: check is server running
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12:44<drakeman>urbinek, yep, server is runing fine, i cant connect normally with my other users!
12:44<urbinek>nosklo: hmm, maybe create script in php/cgi whatever that can createe account on demand, generating randon login and password ?
12:45<drakeman>the problem is with the "jailed" user...
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12:45<urbinek>with some time to expire
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12:47<drakeman>urbinek, look, when i change the terminal to the jailed user to /bin/bash, then it can connect succesfully but without the jail, so it can see all the folders, but when i used /usr/bin/rssh console, i get connection closed.
12:47<urbinek>nosklo: are you get it ?
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12:48<drakeman>so the problem should be in rssh.conf i guess, but don know where.
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12:48<nosklo>urbinek: I am good at python programming. I guess I can create a script that creates the login over the web. But that would require someone to log in on some other machine, access the script, and then hand out the username and password
12:49<urbinek>nosklo: it's 1 terminal or what ?
12:49<nosklo>urbinek: it's a single server and 25 terminals
12:49<urbinek>so create 25 accounts
12:49<nosklo>urbinek: yeah, that's the current approach
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12:50<urbinek>and make script at logout that will delete any nwe (not default) files
12:50<nosklo>urbinek: on machine 1 there's a sticker that says "user guest1 password guest1"
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12:50<nosklo>urbinek: but now and then someone logs machine 3 using machine 5's password and so on
12:50<nosklo>and that sucks
12:50<nosklo>because user from machine 5 can't log in
12:51<sylarr>DBus.Error.AccessDenied on usb pendrive?
12:51<urbinek>nosklo: well you can create script that will create 25 account's thats not problem but as you say, hmm
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12:52<urbinek>drakeman: ckeck out cnfig file again, or reinstall rssh
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12:53<drakeman>urbinek, ok.
12:53<urbinek>nosklo: hmm you can creathe script that will check if right user e.g guest5 is logged on right terminal if not then logout
12:54<nosklo>urbinek: yeah, that would be great! How can I get from the script which terminal the user is logging in (via XDMCP)?
12:54<urbinek>1, what is XDMCP xD ? (googling it alredy)
12:54<urbinek>2. you can name each single terminal
12:54<ranix>a remote x session, basically
12:55<dpkg>xdmcp is probably if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world"
12:55<ranix>that wasn't what I expected it to be
12:56<urbinek>by change hostname and compare hostname with login user on login in
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12:59<urbinek>if i'm fight if you logginh via XDMCP you have running windows with modified X11 ?
13:00<urbinek>right *
13:00<urbinek>logging * xD
13:00<ranix>urbinek: you should avoid attempting to answer questions regarding subjects about which you know nothing
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13:01<urbinek>ranix: at least i'm trying
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13:04<enecon>gamiete to simpan
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13:16<DTE>hi all
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13:16<DTE>i'm trying to pinning some packages
13:16<DTE>but apt-cache policy always show me the defauls values
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13:18<DTE>how can i force i package from tghe oldstable?
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13:23<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
13:23<buffoon>hi there. I'm trying to connect to a nfs server, but when mounting I get 'mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered' and rcpinfo -p doesn't show any nfs stuff
13:23<buffoon>anny suggestions?
13:24<DTE>themill: it's not working
13:24<DTE>just if i push the package/release install
13:25<themill>DTE: yes... pinning is hard. Read those website and man 5 apt_preferences again carefully.
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13:26<DTE>i did the same as it stays in the man
13:26<DTE>but for php
13:26<DTE>and it's not working
13:26<nosklo>urbinek: no, you're wrong
13:27<nosklo>urbinek: I don't have windows. I have really low-end machines and a good, fast server. So the low-end machines are being used as terminals.
13:27<bja>buffoon: is the nfs server up and running?
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13:28<nosklo>I've changed the init script of them to run "X -query myserver"
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13:28<buffoon>bja, yes, on another client it got mounted perfectly
13:28<urbinek>nosklo: i've thinking about linux
13:28<buffoon>it's just the notebook that doesn't work...
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13:28<DTE>themill: nothing....always 500 as all the others
13:28<urbinek>but those terminals have any hdd ?
13:28<urbinek>ip adress ?
13:28<locklace>buffoon: check for filters and firewalls
13:29<themill>DTE: my ESP-over-irc skills won't let me see your configuration unless you pastebin it
13:29<urbinek>nosklo: i mean Xwindows not MS windows xD
13:29<urbinek>Xwindow *
13:30<buffoon>locklace, there aren't any in the middle, except the Access Point but that one just does bridging and has no filter/firewall configured
13:30<nosklo>urbinek: oh, then yes, I run the X server on each terminal, connecting to the XDMCP server.
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13:30<bja>buffoon: check that you ip is within the range in /etc/exports
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13:31<urbinek>nosklo: then set host name on /etc/hosts, e.g.
13:31<locklace>buffoon: if rpcinfo -p works from one client but not another, some kind of filtering or problem at the network/link layer is the most likely culprit
13:32<themill>DTE: re-read the section on where it talks about wildcards
13:32<urbinek>urbinek@haruko:~$ cat /etc/hosts
13:32<urbinek> localhost
13:32<urbinek> terminal1
13:32<urbinek>and compare terminal name with quest user on startup, if ther's something wrong then logout
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13:33<nosklo>urbinek: yeah, but I don't get the terminal name on logon
13:33<DTE>themill: but so i have to specify all the packages with php
13:33<nosklo>urbinek: because logon already happens on the server
13:34<nosklo>urbinek: GDM is not installed in the terminal, it is running remotely
13:34<buffoon>well, so I called rcpinfo -p on the client. Should I check it on the server?
13:34<DTE>all this just because the php5-sybase bug
13:34<bja>buffoon: can you ping your server?
13:34<locklace>buffoon: run it from both clients and compare
13:34<themill>DTE: yes. Alternatively, you can fix that bug in the lenny packages
13:35<themill>DTE: mixing releases is going to end in tears
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13:35<DTE>themill: i'd like, but i'm not a programmer unfortunately
13:35<buffoon>bja, yes, I can ping it and I go through a virtual server, running on the nfs server, in the internet
13:35<themill>DTE: have you got a bug number for this bug?
13:35<urbinek>nosklo: cirrect me if i'm wrong, if you login from terminal1 at server you won't have access to terminal1 physical hdd ?
13:35<DTE>yes of course :)
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13:36<nosklo>urbinek: when logging in, no. I have access to the server HDD
13:36<nosklo>urbinek: the login code is running at the server
13:36<buffoon>locklace, the other client shows the same output on rpcinfo -p
13:36<urbinek>nosklo: and you cant check terminal1 hostname ?
13:36<nosklo>urbinek: if I check the host name, it will return the server's hostname
13:36<urbinek>or I P ?
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13:37<bja>buffoon: Are you exporting nfs directly or is it over ssh?
13:37<nosklo>urbinek: since I am logging on the server
13:37<buffoon>bja, directly
13:37<urbinek>nosklo: and can you ckec kon server from which terminal user is logging ?
13:37<themill>DTE: sounds like a compilation option that you could change in debian/rules in the php package. "/msg dpkg package recompile" for a starter
13:37<urbinek>check *
13:37<buffoon>and i'm not using nfs4 btw
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13:37<bja>buffoon: Is you ip on the export range?
13:38<urbinek>...can you check on server... *
13:38<paggas>hi, i have a question regarding linux in general, when i run lsof -p<pid>, i get among others all open anonymous unix domain sockets by that process. my question is, how can i see which process has the other end open? same question for anonymous pipes. thanks :)
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13:39<buffoon>bja, yes, in the same subnet and I exported the whole subnet
13:39<buffoon> /buffoon <-- just to be clear ;)
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13:40<paggas>actual reason for my question, i'm seeing many kio_http processes, which sometimes take up alot of memory, i'm trying to find why this is happening
13:40<buffoon>my ip is
13:40<DTE>themill: i'm going to give a look
13:40<DTE>thank you
13:40<themill>no worries
13:41<locklace>buffoon: paste output of "rpcinfo -p" against the server, "ps axwww" on the server, and mount command and/or fstab entry for both clients
13:41<locklace>buffoon: and also iptables -S on server and problem client
13:41<paggas>like at times ~6-8 of them each taking up ~60 M of resident memory
13:41<buffoon>locklace, ok, hang on a sec
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13:43<bja>locklace: iptables -S -> iptables v1.3.7: Unknown arg `-S`
13:45<ml|>is it worth replacing bash with dash?
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13:45<locklace>ml|: yes
13:46<urbinek>locklace: why ?
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13:46<locklace>bja: works for me on anyway, use iptables -vL instead if it fails
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13:46<bja>locklace: thx
13:46<locklace>urbinek: because bash sucks as a batch sh script processor
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13:47<locklace>(sucks as an interactive shell too compared to zsh, but that's neither here nor there)
13:47<ml|>installing dash and dpkg-reconfigure dash is all that is needed to make dash deafault?
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13:47<urbinek>locklace: so why bash is default shell ? and what's are diffrents besides speed ?
13:47<locklace>ml|: yes
13:47<urbinek>ml|: yes
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13:48<locklace>urbinek: work is in progress to replace /bin/sh with dash by default
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13:48<ml|>should i keep bash or purge it?
13:48<locklace>you have to keep it
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13:49<locklace>dpkg -s bash: "Essential: yes"
13:49<dpkg>You Fool! bash: "Essential: yes" is installed!
13:49<locklace>!bomb dpkg
13:49*dpkg drops a humongous exploding turd on dpkg
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13:49<urbinek>locklace: so what is diffrent in dash exept speed ?
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13:49<m2rt>Themes for gnome, in what package format it should be? tar.gz?
13:49<themill>There's no plans to change the default user shell from bash. The default /bin/sh will probably change to dash at some stage soon.
13:50<ml|>ok will a reboot be required?
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13:52<buffoon>locklace, may I query you?
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13:55<urbinek>hmm, how can i compile mplayer with CUDA support ?
13:55<urbinek>is mplayer support it ?
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13:57<ml|>thanks for the info buys
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14:00<deref>Can anyone help me with information on where the mac address is stored in Debian? I upgraded last night to the latest testing 2.6.26-2-amd64 and it apears Debian really thinks my mac address of eth0 is the one I had pre-up'd ifconfig hw ether <fake mac>. So now I'm trying to completely get rid of that fake mac address, but I can't seem to do it...
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14:01<bja>deref: ifconfig
14:01<bja>deref: HWaddr
14:02<bja>deref: Sorry miss understood
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14:04<deref>it seems everytime I try to set eth0 back to it's original MAC using ifconfig I get: SIOCSIFHWADDR: No Such device
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14:05<cahoot>deref: not simply /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules making trouble?
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14:06<shamanix>hmm, I remember a prog called ethtool or something like that that could do a lot of stuff with network interfaces, I don't remember if it does MAC addresses but its worth a try
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14:07<simNIX>Hello - I'm switching a vsftpd from FreeBSD to Debian. I'm using the same config on Debian - Odd thing I've noticed is if I want to let a ftp user other then anonymous login that the account needs a shell or I can't login ? Im wondering why this is so and if I can easely change this behaviour of Debian (on FreeBSD nologin as shell still let ftp acount login ...
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14:09<simNIX>aah - I cracked it; on Debian /usr/sbin/login isnt in /etc/shells
14:09<simNIX>now it works :)
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14:09<simNIX>ment ofcourse /us/sbin/nologin
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14:17<theniel>did enyone had problem with mp3 file? how to fix mp3 file on debian?
14:17<theniel>is it posible? i cant find on goole :(
14:18<ml|>want to play mp3's?
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14:19<theniel>yes of actually convert to ogg but mp3 seems to be broken
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14:20<ml|>what do you mean broken?
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14:20<locklace>theniel: you win the "dumbest question of the week" award
14:21<locklace>!tell theniel about doesn't work
14:21<locklace>!tell theniel about ask
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14:21<bja>locklace: nfs problem soved?
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14:21<locklace>i have no problems with nfs, apart from its existence
14:21<vsayikiran>when i try to sync my ipod with rhythmbox, rhythmbox crashes
14:21<bja>!confuse locklace
14:21<dpkg>Yes, what are their snake today, locklace? Trousers of the Republic of Tahiti with extra ham.
14:21<ml|>locklace: hah
14:22<theniel>i can open a file but sound is "indistinct"(?)
14:23<vsayikiran>does any know how to sync ipod shuffle with rhythmbox
14:23<theniel>nice to be dumbest ;)
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14:23<bja>vsayikiran: if you are using gnome plug it and use gtkpod
14:24<bja>vsayikiran: rhythmbox doesn't play with ipods
14:24<cahoot>theniel: better describe the problem you have
14:24<vsayikiran>bja: but i read in some websites that gtkpod will remove all my files
14:24<theniel>yes but my english.... :/
14:24<vsayikiran>bja: when i mounted my ipod shuffle, rhythmbox was launched automatically
14:25<cahoot>theniel: what language would you prefer?
14:25<bja>vsayikiran: do a safety backup if you like, i've used it for a lot of time
14:25<bja>vsayikiran: read the helpl part on rhythmbox
14:25<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
14:25<vsayikiran>bja: in the left pane of rhythmbox player the ipod icon was there
14:25<theniel>polish :)
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14:26<jim_>anyone familiar with dosemu?
14:26<locklace>jim_: hehe, blast from the past
14:26<vsayikiran>bja: i read this link, please go through it
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14:27<jim_>locklace, do you remember print setup?
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14:27<jim_>$_printer_command = "cat - | dos2unix | lpr"
14:27<jim_>is what i have
14:27<locklace>jim_: i'd rather set fire to my eyebrows and tear my fingernails out with superheated pliers than try to configure printing through dosemu
14:28<jim_>but dos2unix isnt doing its things
14:28<vsayikiran>bja: so you mean that you never lost any data because of gtkpod
14:28<bja>locklace: any help on that appartment
14:28<bja>locklace: new pliers here
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14:28<bja>vsayikiran: not yet
14:28<vsayikiran>bja: ok
14:28<jim_>locklace, dos that look correct?
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14:29<bja>vsayikiran: if you don't trust gtkpod, then do a backup of your music and play with it
14:29<locklace>what it looks like is a useless use of cat
14:29<jim_>cat the stdin?
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14:39<deref>sorry cahoot, I had to get on the phone... I was messing around in 70-persistent-net.rules and every time I boot up it adds a line for a new eth1 using the spoofed MAC I used to use for eth0
14:39<cahoot>deref: remove it
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14:40<deref>I tried that... I even tried pre-up back to my original MAC address, while removing all those lines in 70-persistent...
14:40<deref>It's really weird, as I have no idea how it is remembering that spoofed MAC address when I am deleting it from everything?
14:40<cahoot>deref: removed 70-persistent...?
14:41<deref>... 70-persistent-net.rules
14:41<deref>kind of long to type :)
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14:41<cahoot>deref: removed 70-persistent-net.rules and the problem hmm persisted?
14:42<deref>Is there any other file in debian where that MAC address might be lingering?
14:42<deref>well, I removed all lines but my original eth0 with it's correct MAC
14:42<cahoot>deref: remove 70-persistent.. and see what gives
14:43<cahoot>deref: it will be recreated
14:43<cahoot>hopefully sane
14:43<deref>ahh ok, haha, I thought I would just be really screwed then
14:43<deref>I will back it up to somewhere else just to make sure
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14:45<deref>on reboot it says "Ignoring unknown interface: eth0=eth0"
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14:47<deref>by the way cahoot, I tried googling this problem for 5 hours this morning. I just want you to know I'm not purposfully wasting your time
14:47<cahoot>deref: what's in 70-persistent-net.rules now?
14:48<deref>it has one line for my wlan0 which is fine
14:48<cahoot>none for eth*?
14:48<bja>deref: can you paste your line
14:48<cahoot>deref: any module loaded for eth*?
14:49<deref>the eth0 line says: SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="spoofed MAC", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME=="eth0"
14:50<deref>it keeps grabing that spoofed MAC from somewhere??
14:50<deref>it's not in my interfaces file anymore
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14:51<cahoot>deref: ip link shows correct MAC?
14:51<deref>same as ATTR{address}
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14:52<deref>I would just use it but the problem is it doesn't respond to DHCPOFFERS
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14:52<deref>It's like it got burned in somehow
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14:52<Gekos_decouvre_debian>is it an english irc room ?
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14:53<Gekos_decouvre_debian>i try debian, and i search french chat for debian
14:53<cahoot>deref: sorry this is beyond me
14:53<Gekos_decouvre_debian>someone can help me ?
14:53<dondelelcaro>Gekos_decouvre_debian: yes, there is #debian-fr, though
14:53<bja>deref: please "echo $MATCHADDR"
14:53<deref>cahoot: thanks for your time
14:53<Gekos_decouvre_debian>dondelelcaro, thanks man :)
14:54<bja>deref: should be blank
14:54<deref>bja: hang on one second, rebooting
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14:56<deref>bja: it's blank
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15:01<locklace>deref: how did you change the mac address originally?
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15:02<deref>inside /etc/network/interfaces: pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether <addr>
15:03<locklace>deref: and you have no more address-setting commands in /etc/network/*? what does "cat /sys/class/net/eth0/address" return?
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15:05<deref>It's back! For whatever reason it looks like my last attempt at changing the mac address back to it's original has worked
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15:05<ranix>no apostrophe
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15:06<locklace>uh, wrong
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15:06<locklace>oh, second its
15:06<ranix>ah didn't realize the ambiguity
15:06<deref>haha, yes sorry
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15:07<ranix>excuse the rudeness of correcting english in a multinational irc
15:07<deref>no you're fine, I'm english and you're right the second "it's" was not meant to be "it is
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15:09<ranix>it's and "try and" really grate my goat
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15:13<deref>hmm... that's too bad, I use contractions all the time :)
15:13<deref>err, I try and use contractions all the time
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15:14<drakeman>urbinek, look, when i change the terminal to the jailed user to /bin/bash, then it can connect succesfully but without the jail, so it can see all the folders, but when i used /usr/bin/rssh console, i get connection closed.
15:14<drakeman>Hello, somebody can help me cause i do some steps to jail a user into the home folder using rssh, i folllow the steps to jail the user in sftp and i dont want the user can access thorugh ssh, i finish all the steps but whwen i try to connect with that user i get Connection reset by peer message, when i enter with another normal user i can enter fine! but dont have idea where i can have the error.
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15:15<jenipapo>Hi, all
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15:16<jenipapo>I just installed squeeze on a P4 graphic chipset is Intel 82865G
15:16<jenipapo>Monitor is a LCD 1280x1024
15:17<jenipapo>I am unable to "set" the correct resolution. I allways get 1280x768
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15:17<jenipapo>Could you help please?
15:20<jenipapo>Nobody ?
15:20<paggas>jenipapo: you tried adding your resolution in xorg.conf?
15:21<jenipapo>No, because I dont know how to do because there is now no resolution section in
15:21<jenipapo>just defaultxxxx
15:23<jenipapo>how to do?
15:23<drakeman>anyone pleaseee... i cant find the solution..
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15:23<jenipapo>Or where can I find how to do?
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15:25<jenipapo>Section "Screen"
15:25<jenipapo> Identifier "Default Screen"
15:25<jenipapo> Monitor "Configured Monitor"
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15:26<jenipapo>How can I set the resolution?
15:26<paggas>jenipapo: you can add your own, create a section "Screen" etc, though i don't remember the exact method, you can look it up :)
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15:27<deref>jenipapo: I'm rebooting, I'll look at mine in a second
15:27<paggas>jenipapo: it might work, who knows :)
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15:27<jenipapo>ok deref
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15:33<deref>jenipapo: modify section screen to have the following:
15:33<deref>SubSection "Display"
15:33<deref>Depth 24
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15:34<deref>Modes "1200x800"
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15:34<deref>... So you would set "1200x800" to be whatever resolution you would like
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15:34<jenipapo>Ok deref, I try. Thank you for your help
15:35<deref>No problem
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15:52<gedO>hey guys
15:52<gedO>how are you???
15:52<gedO>i have one problem
15:52<gedO>my NTFS disk isn't working
15:53<gedO>can enyone help me? :)
15:53<locklace>!space bar
15:53<dpkg>The space bar is the correct way to separate connected sentences on IRC. Please use it. The Return/Enter key is not a substitute.
15:53<locklace>!doesn't work
15:53<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
15:54<gedO>i can't acces it
15:54<gedO>how i can mount it?
15:54<drakeman>you already try to mount it?
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15:54<drakeman>is another hdd?
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15:54<gedO>don't know how :)
15:55<drakeman>you already have the package ntfs-3g
15:55<drakeman>apt-get install ntfs-3g
15:55<gedO>i will try
15:56<gedO>i have installed it
15:57<gedO>but i can't acces
15:57<drakeman>ok, not what is the partition yoou want to mount
15:57<drakeman>fdisk -l
15:57<drakeman>what is the xp or vista partition?
15:57<drakeman>yes ?
15:57<drakeman>yes what?
15:57<drakeman>hda1? hda2?
15:57<gedO>hda1 :D
15:58<drakeman>well you have to mount, you cant make a folder into media mkdir /media/windows
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15:58<drakeman>then you write mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /media/windows
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15:59<victoria>como les va
15:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:59<drakeman>hello victoria.
15:59<gedO>ura :D it is a live :d
15:59<gedO>thx man :)
15:59<drakeman>gedO, no problem
15:59<gedO>greatings from lithuania :d
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15:59<gedO>cheers :)
16:00<drakeman>great victoria, but here you have tu speak english, if you wnat to ask something in spanish you can enter to #debian-es
16:00<drakeman>or you can talk in english and ask here, like me :d
16:00<victoria>alguien habla en espa
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16:01<gedO>hey :)
16:01<drakeman>i do...
16:01<drakeman>victoria, i speak spanish,
16:01<victoria>bien aca
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16:02<AA3102>I am with FCC AUX and do you have a prob with me being here
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16:02<AA3102>is this a Linux server
16:02<victoria>alguien de aca habla en spanish
16:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:03<AA3102>ok thanks
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16:03<drakeman>victoria, i speak spanish
16:03<drakeman>why you dont ask me in a private.
16:04<victoria>me voy chau
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16:13<foyfoytos>hello. i' trying to install my usb wifi adapter and settup a connection with a wifi router with WPA2PSK. I have a ralink chip rt3070. I downloaded the drivers from the site and installed them (correctly i guess). I now see a ra0 interface with iwconfig. i alse set up wpasupplicant as shown in almost all howtos online. But when i try to ifup ra0 i get and error saying that this is not allowed and can't find the channel. Any hhelp here?
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16:14<foyfoytos>any1 here?
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16:15<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
16:16<drakeman>bja, i read the AUTHENTICATE part but i cant match that with my problem!
16:16<drakeman>bja, :(
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16:18<g_>testing program..anyone there?
16:18<dpkg>Test Failed.
16:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:25<AA3102>can someone help me
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16:25<amphi>!tell AA3102 -about ask
16:25<ranix>too late
16:26<ranix>I think he failed the turing test
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16:35<g_>dpkg:installed debian..comes up first on powerup..want vista first.How to change the menu?
16:35<dpkg>g_: You are moron #1
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16:36<deref>that's not very nice haha
16:36<bja>g_: Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
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16:37<g_>bja tried it claimed I don't have rights
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16:39<deref>g_: to edit system files like that you would need to escelate to root user, so type "su" then your root password
16:39<g_>will give 'er a try ..thanks..
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16:41<ixp425>I have a question, perhaps someone could help me
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16:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:42<ixp425>is the repo more or less up to date than, say,
16:42<ml|>!beer Hideo
16:42*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for Hideo
16:44<ixp425>anyone have any idea?
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16:45<Yesu>what is a good dock program for mac os doc?
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16:46<bja>ixp425: you are talking about two completely different things
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16:46<ixp425>bja, can you explain a little?
16:46<deref>ixp425: I'm not really qualified to answer, but I have always used debian or mirrors closer to me, as I figure the packests will be tested and built to work correctly with the exact configuration of debian I am running
16:46<ixp425>I see
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16:47<wnd>bja, I don't think so. does mirror debian repositories.
16:48<wnd>unless, of course, bja isn't talking about that
16:48*wnd sighs
16:48<wnd>unless ixp425 is talking about that
16:48<wnd>ok, I'll give up
16:48<Hideo>or maybe he was asking about the kernel in vs. kernel in debian repo
16:49<ixp425>just the debian packages
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16:49<Hideo> only has kernel as far as I know, it doesn't mirror debian repo
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16:49<deref>wnd: I got from ixp425's question that he was looking to update his kernel from, without using packages built for debian
16:49<ixp425>it does at
16:49<cfrabel>deref, working!
16:49<cfrabel>Thank you
16:49<Hideo>ok maybe it does then :P
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16:50<ixp425>I don't mind my kernel, I just mean, what repo is the most up to date because I suspect that they are not all synced
16:50<cfrabel>deref, I added VertRefresh and HorizSync
16:50<deref>cfrabel: No problem! What did I do? :)
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16:51<cfrabel>You gave me the way of solution
16:52<deref>cfrabel: were you jenipapo?
16:52<cfrabel>Yes, I was
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16:52<deref>ahh, hey no problem, gald it worked!
16:53<cfrabel>Yes, I really cant understand why it cannot discovert good resolution by itself
16:53<bja>ixp425: Sorry typo
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16:54<deref>I think unless you use the exact drivers required by your graphics card that there might be no way for the generic driver to discover it???
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16:55<persia>Is this a support channel, or is there a better place to ask questions?
16:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:57<persia>But that *was* my question :) I don't have a specific question, I just want to verify before I redirect someone with a question who ended up in #debian-ubuntu
16:57<xemacs4321>then there you are
16:57<persia>Thanks :)
16:57<locklace>#debian-ubuntu? wtf
16:57<ml|>remember this for debian only
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16:58<locklace>ixp425: it's called a "mirror" for a reason
16:58<persia>locklace, At one point it was a coordination channel for utnubu and the like. Now, it's mostly for people who get lost, and people who don't update their auto-join.
16:58<ml|>yeah #debian-ubuntu?
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16:59<ixp425>locklace, right. but they are not synched
16:59<ixp425>and I wonder which is most up to date
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17:00<locklace>ixp425: they are. that's the point.
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17:00<ixp425>locklace, I was using the and I switched to and I had packages to upgrade.
17:01<ixp425>that is evidence that they are not
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17:02<locklace>you're a silly person.
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17:03<deref>ixp425: I would think that would be the first point of distribution for the debian project. Did you have the exact same parameters for your deb and deb-src following the URL?
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17:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:04<ixp425>there weren't a whole lot of packages to upgrade, but there were a few and that indicates that the was more up to date than the ftp at debian...which is the opposite of what you expect too
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17:05<xemacs4321> is very large machine
17:05<deref>hmm, did you do an apt-get update/upgrade on the right before switching to
17:05<deref>that's crazy then, haha
17:05<ixp425>oh well, I was just curious
17:05<xemacs4321>i agree
17:05<gedO>hello all, i having problem with nvidai drivers :0 can somebody help me?
17:06<locklace>!tell gedO about how to ask
17:06<ixp425>locklace, thanks for the URL
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17:06<gedO>Can somebody say how to shutdown X server???
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17:07<ml|>maybe while you where changing your source.list that update was added and when updated on it came up
17:07<deref>ged0: X Server, or Gnome? I know when I update my Nvidia driver if I shutdown gnome it will run the installation.
17:07<ixp425>could be
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17:08<gedO>so, I am useing debian 5.0 version, my architecture 32 bit and i am having problem with geforce fx 5700video card drivers
17:08<deref>ixp425: that's what I'm thinking too, it might have just been updates were released the exact time you switched
17:08<gedO>and someone can help me
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17:08<gedO>to install drivers?
17:08<ml|>i doubt that debian is behind
17:08<ixp425>i think you guys are right
17:08<deref>ged0: are you installing one of the *.run drivers from Nvidia's web site?
17:09<gedO>I don't know hoe to exit X server
17:09<gedO>I don't know how to exit X server
17:09<deref>Did you first boot into a desktop?
17:09<ml|>gedO: why not do it the debian way?
17:09<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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17:09<ml|>locklace: thanks was just about to ;)
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17:10<gedO>OOoO... debian has own way :D Going to try
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17:17<gedO>hey, were i can get Appendix A of NVIDIA's 1.0-8776 driver?
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17:27<gedO>what is Etch?
17:28<ml|>dpkg: tell gedO about etch
17:30<ml|>read message from lenny
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17:31<drakeman>ml|, hey!
17:31<bja>dpkg: nuke drakeman
17:31*dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at drakeman
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17:31<ml|>drakeman: hello
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17:31<drakeman>ml|, :D hello mr.
17:32<ml|>dpkg: tell gedO about grounding
17:32<gedO>hey, were i can get Appendix A of NVIDIA's 173.14.09 driver ? :)
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17:34<ml|>gedO: just click the link on that page
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17:34<gedO>what page? :D
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17:34<ml|>dpkg: tell gedO about nvidia
17:34<Slurb>the msg dpkg sent you
17:34<ml|>that page on debian wiki
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17:37<gedO>i will try
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17:37<bja>dpkg: tell drakeman unix lessons
17:37<drakeman>bja, whyyy!
17:38<bja>dpkg: tell bja unix lessons
17:38<drakeman>rssh_chroot_helper[3793]: read_shell_config() failed, /etc/rssh.conf: errors processing configuration file! <-------------------- this sucks!
17:39<ml|>dpkg: tell bja about msg the bot
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17:40<bja>ml|: dpkg: tell bja unix lessons ---> <dpkg> No, bja, I won't. (target invalid?) ??
17:40<sylarr>DBus.Error.AccessDenied on usb pendrive anyone know how to solve this?
17:40<ml|>bja: about
17:41<bja>ml|: I was just making sure the message was there not because of an invalid nick
17:41<bja>he he
17:41<bja>dpkg: tell drakeman about unix lessons
17:41<bja>ml|: thx
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17:41<ml|>bja: you can do that msg dpkg factoid
17:41<ml|>bja: np
17:42<bja>sylarr: if you have lenny chech that you are on plugdev group
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17:42<ml|>bja: oh just got it lol
17:43<bja>sylarr: if you are on anything above it, I think things have changed
17:43<bja>drakeman: pls pay atention to poin #8
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17:44<sylarr>bja, onl lenny, thanks
17:44<drakeman>bja, sorry :(, and thanks, hehe njow i know what to check, but im going to try a few thinks, if dont work ehh, dont know what to do, hehee
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17:45<bja>drakeman: I'll take a wild guess, you'll ask :)
17:45<ml|>drakeman: read the manpage for rssh, and recheck you config file
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17:46<drakeman>ml|, bja thanks, im going to do that! after any questino :D
17:46<drakeman>dpkg, thanks for the unix lessons.. lol!
17:46<dpkg>drakeman: de nada
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17:47<ml|>dpkg: lol
17:47<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
17:47<bja>ja ja
17:47<drakeman>dpkg sucks
17:47<dpkg>Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that?
17:48<ml|>dp rocks
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17:52<sylarr>it worked :D
17:52<sylarr>bja, thanks
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17:52<ml|>!coffee bja
17:52*dpkg decants a fine brew of International Roast Caterers Blend for bja, courtesy of ml|
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17:55<bja>sylarr: np
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17:57<gedO>hey guys
17:57<gedO>how to get nvidia-kernel-common????
17:58<bja>apt-get is a good option
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17:58<gedO>Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common
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17:59<bja>gedO: Debian version
17:59<locklace>judd versions nvidia-kernel-common
17:59<judd>locklace: nvidia-kernel-common -- etch/contrib: 20051028+1 lenny/contrib: 20080825+1 sid/contrib: 20080825+1 squeeze/contrib: 20080825+1
17:59<locklace>add contrib to your sources.list
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18:03<chealer>gedO: are you following ?
18:03<gedO>i am trying
18:03<gedO>to follow
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18:06<darcy>is there support for nvidia vanta series card in lenny ? just installed, and screen is all laggy
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18:07<banished>Hi, there is something that makes me worry quiet a bit:
18:07<banished>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
18:07<banished>/dev/nand 1014M -319M 1.1G - /
18:07<gedO>hey guys
18:07<gedO>how i can get nvidia-kernel versio?
18:07<gedO>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
18:07<jrabbit>negative usage
18:08<banished>gedO: there is the sgfxi script
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18:08<k1lumin4t1>banished, your HD is placed backwards
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18:09<banished>k1lumin4t1: which means?
18:09<gedO>i have to write
18:09<gedO>but i don't know
18:09<k1lumin4t1>banished, that you have to put it in the correct way
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18:10<darcy>gedO, try with the second part of uname -a (for example, 2.6.26-2-686 on my system(
18:10<chealer>gedO: did you read ?
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18:10<bja>gedO: uname -r
18:10<bja>chealer: gedO doesn't speak english as a native language
18:10<chealer>darcy: that won't work
18:11<gedO>i am lithuanian
18:11<gedO>but i can speak english
18:11<gedO>i reading that wiki
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18:11<k1lumin4t1>you reading wiki?
18:11<gedO>so how i can
18:12<gedO>get version
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18:12<gedO>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source how i can get that version?
18:12<gedO>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source how i can get that version number?
18:12<sney>uname -r
18:12<Yesu>what repository is the Cario dock located in?
18:13<bja>gedO: nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`
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18:13<bja>gedO: Where are you from?
18:13<gedO>from lithuania
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18:14<bja>any prefered language
18:14<chealer>bja: that won't work
18:14<gedO>so i write uname -r and i get 2.6.26-2-686
18:14<gedO>so what to write?
18:14<chealer>sney: that won't work
18:14<chealer>gedO: did you read ?
18:14<gedO>i have
18:14<gedO>i tryed to download thath scripti
18:15<gedO>but i can't
18:15<chealer>gedO: did you use the proposed script?
18:15<gedO>open it
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18:15<gedO>i can't load it
18:15<gedO>maiby there is some way to load thath script?
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18:16<gedO>maiby i have to put that script somewere?
18:16<chealer>gedO: use it
18:17<chealer>gedO: yes there is. the script doesn't have to be in any particular place
18:17<gedO>were i have to put it?
18:17<banished>into some file
18:17<chealer>gedO: anywhere, for example $HOME
18:17<banished>than chmod a+x the file
18:17<locklace>!win banished
18:17<dpkg>Congratulations, banished! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
18:18<gedO>and how i can
18:18<locklace>best df output ever
18:18<gedO>use it?
18:18<chealer>gedO: $ sh filename
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18:19<gedO>ok, trying :)
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18:19<gedO>Your card is supported by all driver versions.
18:19<iceD[R]>Good night for all!
18:19<gedO>so i get Your card is supported by all driver versions.
18:19<gedO>what that means?
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18:20<gedO>i haven't got version number :( :D
18:20<gedO>what to do what to do
18:20<chealer>gedO: use an empty $VERSION
18:21<iceD[R]>I have one problem, i'm new linux user. How to install geforce 6200 video card?
18:21*chealer will bbl
18:21<chealer>!tell iceD[R] about ngd
18:21<locklace>banished: what does "stat -f /" return
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18:24<gedO>dosn't work
18:24<gedO>don't work
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18:24<gedO>I will try that tomorrow
18:24<gedO>good bye
18:24<iceD[R]>chealer, sorry but what is ndg?
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18:27<hachi>anyone know how I can get Network-Manager to ignore certain interfaces?
18:27<hachi>I'm trying to use tap interfaces with qemu, and NetworkManager likes to try and connect to them as though
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18:28<jaSOnG>oh this is not freenood,net ?
18:28<simNIX>maybe better set networking up in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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18:29<hachi>adding or removing clauses in /etc/network/interfaces dosen't seem to hide/show them in network manager
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18:30<mipsuser>locklace: (it's me, banished, changed the device)
18:30<simNIX>if it works through setting up interfaces then would it realy matter if its not shown in gui ?
18:30<simNIX>I understand in perfect worls it would ..
18:30<hachi>no the problem is
18:30<hachi>network manager tries to connect to
18:30<hachi>I wouldn't mind if it just showed up
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18:30<hachi>but I want network manager to not manage the interface
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18:32<simNIX>I have a thought , maybe a bit drastic ...
18:32<simNIX>sudo update-rc.d NetworkManager remove
18:32<simNIX>that should stop it from loading ...
18:32<locklace>mipsuser: what kind of fs is on that device?
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18:33<mipsuser>locklace: yaffs2
18:33<simNIX>that would be sudo aptitude purge network-manager network-manager-gnome I think from what I just googled
18:34<simNIX>(if you want it gone)
18:34<locklace>mipsuser: well, you've found a bug in it
18:34<hachi>I don't want to disable network-manager
18:34<hachi>I just want to disable some interfaces in it
18:35<hachi>why do you keep dodging the question and answering it with something else?
18:35<hachi>I use network-manager for my wired and wireless connections
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18:35<hachi>I just want to make it ignore tap interfaces
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18:48<sylarr>does lvm allow me to choose where on the disk the next lvm will be?
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18:51<dondelelcaro>sylarr: the whole point of lvm is that it doesn't matter where it is
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19:02<sylarr>dondelelcaro, but it does mater for speed
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19:05<tonytraductor>I don't think I've ever seen this channel so quiet
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19:11<dondelelcaro>sylarr: so long as it's contiguous, it doesn't even matter for that
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19:15<prahal>hi anybody knows the status of rsync above gvfs mounted shares ? any success ?
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19:16<prahal>hard to find on the net ... too many users complaining about the obvious permission issue when backing up home folders
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19:17<sylarr>dondelelcaro, the begining of the disk is 1.5 faster then its end
19:18<dondelelcaro>sylarr: uh... try again
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19:18<sylarr>dondelelcaro, the begining of the disk is 1.5 times faster then its end
19:18<dondelelcaro>sylarr: on modern disks there isn't necessarily any correspondence between physical location on a platter and logical location in the device
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19:19<sylarr>dondelelcaro, just partition ur disk to 4 equal parts and check. you will see.
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19:22<prahal>sylarr: isn't there many disks in the hd ? or are you talking about cdrom ?
19:22<dondelelcaro>sylarr: uh... it certainly won't change much here
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19:30<sylarr>prahal, i m talking about hard disks
19:31<sylarr>and its from testing experience, not only theoretical ideas
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19:36<prahal>sylarr: yes though I wonder how you manage to know if which of the partitions are starting on the start of a physical disk . Regarding the fact that we only see one "disk" while there are many in the inside . In fact each partition could be exactly fully on an individual disk if you use 4 parittions and there are 4 disks in the inside . I cannot tell why you experience that . I bet the more important issue there is whether you swap a l
19:36<prahal>ot and if your swap is at the start or end of the whoel virtual disk (swap partition use to be small and will likely fit on a real disk end or start.
19:37<prahal>it is the most frequent operation . Switching from swap to user partition
19:38<prahal>having multiple swap on multiple disks down the issue (they are raid 0 like)
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19:45<simNIX>having enough ram to not swap is best - )
19:45<dondelelcaro>plus, any intelligent drive firmware will automatically reallocate commonly used sectors to central segments of disk
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19:46<dondelelcaro>(we've come a long way from winchesters)
19:46<simNIX>I started w 170Mb hd
19:46<simNIX>now I just bought 3x 500Gb
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19:47<sylarr>prahal, i am talking about disks without swap partition on them
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19:57<Yesu>is there a way to undo an apt-get update?
19:57<finsken>apt-get clean
19:57<Yesu>thank-you kind sir
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19:58<Yesu>and also, from what repository can I get cario-dock?
19:58<finsken>deb hardy cairo-dock
19:58<Yesu>thank-you sir
19:59<abrotman>finsken: why would you give him that for a debian box ?
19:59<finsken>ops, too fast on google
19:59<dr|z3d>Yesu: you might want to check gnome-do and gbar as alternatives.
19:59<finsken>Must drink some more link
19:59<abrotman>Yesu: you probably shouldn't use that
20:00<Yesu>oh ok
20:00<abrotman>that's probably better
20:00<peterS>I'd say those answers are 0 for 2
20:00<peterS>not abrotman's answer, I mean finsken's
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20:00<Yesu>should some paraemter go after the source?
20:01<Yesu>like main, contrib, or somethign ?
20:01<Yesu>dr|z3d, i'll try this
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20:02<abrotman>Yesu: yes, there should be more .. man sources.list might help
20:02<gpm>hi all. i want to do a search/replace on directory names (i have a bunch of directories with money in the name, want to change that to cash). not sure how to get started, any advice would be much appreciated.
20:02<peterS>Yesu: looks like it has the structure that should have '....../debian stable cairo-dock'
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20:03<abrotman>gpm: find + rename .. should get you started ?
20:03<peterS>gpm: prename s/money/cash/ /some/dir/*
20:03<peterS>prename is the perl version of rename. apparently there are others, I have no idea how they behave
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20:04<gpm>peterS: if it has spaces, i assume i need to use quotes or somethin?
20:05<gpm>i don't know a ton about regexes, especially in perl
20:05<peterS>gpm: yeah, for the shell to know it's a single argument
20:05<peterS>perl doesn't need additional quoting, but you have to quote the argument for the shell
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20:06<gpm>peterS: would that have to match the whole filename to work?
20:06<gpm>like the search string would have to be the whole filename?
20:06<peterS>gpm: no, it's search/replace on any part of the filename
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20:07<peterS>try it: touch /tmp/foo; prename s/o/O/ /tmp/foo; ls -l /tmp
20:07<Yesu>abrotman, how do i run gnome-do and gbar? from terminal?
20:07<peterS>(if you want to replace both 'o's with 'O' you need s/o/O/g or other things)
20:07<abrotman>Yesu: type 'gnome-do' ?
20:07<bernardo>how can i "enable" the graphics acceleration for this video card? ( Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) )
20:08<peterS>bernardo: should just be a matter of installing xserver-xorg-video-intel and possibly libglx-mesa-something
20:09<gpm>peterS: does it work on directories though?
20:09<bernardo>peterS: ok
20:09<peterS>gpm: a directory has a filename like any other file, so it works on the directory. it does not recurse _into_ the directory, if that is what you mean
20:10<peterS>bernardo: I think I meant libgl1-mesa-dri
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20:11<bernardo>peterS: just install these packages?
20:11<peterS>bernardo: yeah, then log out and restart the X server if needed. (at the X login screen, hit ctrl-alt-backspace, should cause the server to restart)
20:11<peterS>(by 'cause the server to restart' I mean the X server software, not the whole computer)
20:12<bernardo>peterS: ok...ty
20:12<Yesu>abrotman, this gnome-do, doesn't seem like it does mch of anything
20:13<abrotman>Yesu: depends what you want it to do :)
20:13<Yesu>i would like a MAC OS like doc
20:14<abrotman>Yesu: did you try to `apt-cache search dock` ?
20:14<abrotman>there are *tons* in debian already
20:14<Yesu>nah i dind't, didn't know about that command :(
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20:21<abrotman>!tell Yesu about search
20:21<abrotman>!tell Yesu about grounding
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20:50<unipower>hello everyone!
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20:55<gpm>peterS: hi. regex question again, say i wanted to replace all ocurrences of [X].[Y] with [X] . [Y].txt, where [X] and [Y] are digts (0-9). basically i want to insert spaces around the dots. what would i do? also if you have a recommended website/book for learning regexes i'm ready to learn them. thanks!
20:56<gpm>s/\d\.\d/\d\ \.\ \d/?
20:56<gpm>ignore the txt, sorry
20:56<peterS>gpm: prename 's/([0-9])\.([0-9])/$1 . $2.txt/'
20:56<gpm>oh i see
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20:57<peterS>gpm: note in perl, $1 means the first (), $2 means the second
20:57<gpm>$1 and $2
20:57<peterS>and yeah \d means [0-9], so \d is easier to type
20:57<gpm>ok i was close, i just didn't know about $1 and $2
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20:57<peterS>gpm: 'man perlre'
20:57<peterS>(as in perl regular expressions)
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20:58<gpm>peterS: if i do s/\d{2,2}..., will $1 be the first digit or both of them?
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20:59<peterS>gpm: $1 is whatever was inside the first set of ( ).
20:59<peterS>so (\d\d) would be both digits in $1, but (\d)(\d) would be one digit in $1, one digit in $2
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21:01<gpm>peterS: and i can escape spaces with \ for the shell?
21:02<peterS>gpm: you can...but it's easier to use ''. if you don't use '', then your \d needs to be \\d because the shell will steal one \
21:03<gpm>stupid bash
21:03<Supaplex>is it out smarting you again?
21:03<gpm>oh always
21:04<Supaplex>so bash is crafty. not stupid. :D
21:04<gpm>i repent
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21:06<gpm>ideally "01.Requiem - Requiem aeternam.mp3" will be renamed to "01. Requiem - Requiem aeternam.mp3," i tried `prename s/\d\d\.\w/$1\.' '$2/ .` with no effect, bash is, in its wisdom, not deigning to help me. please advice.
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21:07<peterS>gpm: you really do need the ( ) when you use $1 $2 $3 etc. literal ( ).
21:08<gpm>ok i'll try s/(\d\d)\.\w/$1\.' '$2/ then
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21:09<gpm>prename s/'(\d\d)\.(\w)'/'$1\. $2'/ ... no love.
21:09<InkBottle>Hi, I want to use this, but aptitude complains about pub_key
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21:13<dmoerner>InkBottle, did you read the last paragraph on the page?
21:13<dmoerner>it lists two different ways to get the key and even links to ap age that explains signed apt archives :)
21:14<InkBottle>dmoerner: yes I'm trying to understand it now
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21:15<dmoerner>InkBottle, wget -O - | apt-key add -
21:15<gpm>peterS: it was the _second_ argument to prename that was wrong. sorry! i learned a lot about regexes at least. thanks!
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21:16<InkBottle>dmoerner: ok
21:16<stew>wait, prename wasn't a typo of rename?
21:17<peterS>no, rename is one alias of prename
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21:21<stew>whaddya know
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21:22<peterS>yeah I suppose it probably used to be named 'rename' but then there was something else called that... or I dunno
21:24*Supaplex *burp*s
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21:27<sighK>hey people
21:27<sighK>how many links can an average web crawler go though in 2 minutes?
21:27<sighK>with 220kb internet
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21:28<abrotman>wouldn't that depend on the amount of content?
21:28<sighK>talking about average sites
21:28<abrotman>so tell us what the average size is
21:28<sighK>i dont know
21:28<sighK>i was asking
21:28<Supaplex>why is this a debian question?
21:29<sighK>on a debian system
21:29<abrotman>sounds like a math question to me
21:29<dpkg>well, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life
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21:29<Supaplex>sighK: yup. 42. even dpkg says so.
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21:32<Yesu>how do you set a specific sound card as default? Alsa is randomly selecting all of my soundcards everytime I reboot; I want my usb-headphones to be set as default and load everytime
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21:39<Supaplex>Yesu: I assume that would be controlled by modprobe order.
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21:41<k-man_>i built a package using apt-get -b source but i needed to change some things in the control file. how do i rebuild it and increment the version number?
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22:01<iceD[R]>How to install pidgin 2.5.6 in the debian lenny?
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22:03<gsimmons>iceD[R]: Do you really need 2.5.6? 2.5.5 is available as a backport.
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22:05<iceD[R]>gsimmons, backport?
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22:07<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update . See also <bpo mirrors>.
22:07<gsimmons>iceD[R]: No private messages, please. /msg dpkg backport ; /msg dpkg bpo
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22:15<Hideo>about that 42 factoid, 6*8!=42
22:17<InkBottle>how can I visualize xft fonts?
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22:35<bighornram>what is "Not Installed (residual config) mean in synaptic?
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22:42<colt>if the debian gui has random shapes colors and lines all over the screen, isn't the problem likely an nvidia driver
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22:44<prahal>bighornram: that the package was not purge but only removed (the config file are still there in case you reinstall it). If you don't plan on reinstalling a program it is better to clean by purging
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22:46<bighornram>ahh ok thanks
22:46<prahal>k-man_: apt-get source <package> . Then cd <package>-<version>/ change the file , then dch -n
22:46<prahal>and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc -us
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22:51<user01>hmmm i dont get it, how is bing supposed to be better? it looks like a ripoff of google with a mountain in back
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23:01<hikin>(Please sorry for my ugly English) What role of number before the colon in version of many Debian packages? i mean the "2:" in package names like "vim_2:7.2148-2_amd64.deb". It is a "slot" like in Gentoo? Where i can read more about this?
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23:07<TongueOfColicab>Hi, how can i get access to my ntfs partitions from debian
23:07<jamuraa>hikin: it is the epoch number. It is used in some packages if the version number for a newer version would otherwise be considered an older version. In this case you can increment the epoch number, and higher epoch numbers will always be considered later versions than older ones no matter what else they have after them
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23:09<hikin>jamuraa: thanks
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23:10<k-man_>prahal: thanks - thats great - i was unable to find that info by googling
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23:11<k-man_>perhaps my google foo is weak today
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23:20<k-man_>if i edit debian/control will it get overwritten next time i build?
23:20<k-man_>should I edit debian/ instead?
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23:30<prahal>k-man_: if there is a it could happen . It is not so often and they are not supposed to be triggered (from to control) automatically due to the policy I bet ... so I kind of never encountered the issue or a very long time ago (though it could happen .
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23:34<colt>is nvidia geforce4 440 64 just too old or bad to even work with linux without giltchs?
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23:44<jamuraa>it should work okay in linux colt, I was on a geforce 6600 for a while
23:45<jamuraa>I can't understand their naming scheme, but I have always had luck with geforces
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23:50<chealer>colt: GeForce4 440 is merely 7 years old
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23:51<peterS>geforce 4 series used to be very well supported by the nv driver. the proprietary binary-only nvidia thing, pretty sure it wouldn't be in the newest driver but they have a 'legacy driver' fork they might let you use.
23:52<ml|>colt: go to there are some links that shows what's supported, it should work just try it and use that link to install it gl
23:52<peterS>but why use that, it's not like with a geforce 4 you really care about 3D performance, just use the nv or nouveau drivers
23:53<colt>interesting. it's hard to navigate the gui through the glitchy random shapes and boxes
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23:53<ml|>true try the nv driver first, if X runs slow like it did for me use the above
23:54<peterS>do you know which driver you're using? I mean probably 'nv' but it's possible you are using a different one
23:54<colt>i don't know. i'm not fluent with command line and the crazy glitches won't let me see anything on screen
23:56<peterS>colt: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you can (use 'less' or similar to read it). if you're using the nv driver there will be lots of lines starting with (II) NV(0):....
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