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00:02<borman>you can create the file ~/.ssh/config, specifying necessary hosts and port in him
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00:03<jvasile>borman: Thanks much, that was the missing piece
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00:41<jvasile>You have been eaten by a grue.
00:42<wooj>but.. but.. .it isn't dark
00:43<jvasile>Don't blame me if your lantern went out when you weren't paying attention.
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00:43<jvasile>You probably missed the notice in the mad scroll of "You are in some dark, twisty passages, all alike."
00:44<wooj>No doubt. I tend to just skip over a lot of that stuff.
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00:44<jvasile>Ah, if only there was tintin for zork.
00:46<wooj>ooh I want to play a good mud now.
00:46<jvasile>Are there good muds anymore?
00:48*adb singing: măi Vasile, măi :)
00:48<jvasile>I bet that would sound better if my terminal could render those chars.
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00:52<edbian>How stable is testing???
00:53<edbian>(Unrelated question) is there any reason to have shells installed that I never use??
00:53<jvasile>edbian: The answer to that question changes over time.
00:53<jvasile>(and depends on what you mean by "stable")
00:54<edbian>jvasile, Do you have any experience with testing?
00:54<jvasile>edbian: I've been running testing on various desktops and low-importance servers for 10+ years.
00:55<jvasile>edbian: But I'm not an expert in anything.
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00:55<edbian>jvasile, What is your experience with it? How many times a week does an app freeze / crash?
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00:56<jvasile>edbian: Rarely. But YMMV.
00:56<jvasile>edbian: In my opinion it's fine for desktop use for a somewhat savvy end user.
00:56<edbian>YMMV ??
00:56<dpkg>ymmv is, like, an abbreviation of "Your mileage may vary."
00:57<edbian>Rarely = Less than once a week?
00:58<jvasile>edbian: Well, firefox crashes a dozen times a day.
00:58<jvasile>edbian: And stumpwm once in a blue moon.
00:58<jvasile>edbian: Emacs not really crash prone
00:58<jvasile>edbian: It really depends on the app.
00:58<edbian>ha ha ha
00:59<edbian>jvasile, I think that firefox crashes because of poorly written websites more than anything else.
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00:59<jvasile>edbian: If a poorly written website can crash a browser, that's a broken browser.
01:00<wooj>the app i've found crashes most is transmission
01:00<jvasile>wooj: btdownloadcurses is pretty bullet-proof
01:00<jvasile>bit tornado, I think is what's underneath it
01:00<jvasile>At least, that's true for btdownloadgui
01:01<wooj>I might check it out.
01:01<edbian>jvasile, Really? I guess that's just a rumor then. So what is it with all these firefox crashes? Is it an open problem?
01:01<jvasile>which is also pretty good
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01:01<wooj>I've only had iceweasel crash a couple times.
01:01<wooj>its pretty solid, and I think it was the flash plugin that crashed those times.
01:01<jvasile>edbian: If you're using the non-free flash plugin, I'm told that can crash it often.
01:02<wooj>swfdec and gnash don't work for a lot of stuff though
01:02<edbian>Have any of you tried Chrome? They just released an official linux version
01:02<wooj>so its an evil trade off
01:02<jvasile>wooj: It is a dilemma indeed.
01:02<edbian>wooj, Yeah I noticed that
01:02<wooj>edbian, google says not to download it if you don't like crashing.
01:02<edbian>wooj, It's EVIL he he
01:02<wooj>its a developer preview
01:02<jvasile>edbian: I avoid non-free software, but chromium looks pretty good.
01:02<edbian>wooj, Have either of you run it yet?
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01:02<wooj>edbian, only on Windows.
01:03<wooj>I don't care for it. It lacks Adblock and Noscript.
01:03<jvasile>I downloaded chromium today and am running it right now on an ubuntu laptop.
01:03<wooj>I won't browse without them.
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01:03<jvasile>wooj: It's fast as heck. I imagine chromium adblock and noscript aren't far off.
01:03<edbian>jvasile, Do you like it? Is the java-script engine any faster?
01:04<jvasile>wooj: And, you can take out a lot of the adds at the router.
01:04<jvasile>edbian: I've only used it for an hour.
01:04<wooj>jvasile, well, my router is a crappy dlink, I dunno.
01:04<wooj>I have one that runs dd-wrt, but its not hooked up, no 802.11n.
01:04<jvasile>wooj: chain them!
01:05<wooj>jvasile, lol I could, yeah
01:05<jvasile>I removed ads at the router. My gf complained. Turns out she likes some ads.
01:06<dr|z3d>Yeah, run the dd-wrt router as a client and bridge it to the network, perhaps.
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01:06<wooj>I especially hate flash ads, since I'm on a 900mhz eeepc :(
01:07<chealer>edbian: using doesn't change much the frequency of crashes. issues in testing include various bugs and lack of software. if you have no problems with APT, the best answer to your question would be to try try testing. or look at the RC bugs list.
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01:07<edbian>jvasile, I heard that you can connect multiple virtual connections to your network card so that if you are on a network you appear was more than one PC and are given more bandwidth. Is there any truth to this?
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01:07<chealer>s/using/using testing/
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01:08<edbian>chealer, IC thank you!
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01:21<c>Hi Any time don't run openofice. How diagnostic problem?
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01:22<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
01:22<dr|z3d>Translation: OpenOffice won't start; how do I diagnose?
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02:00<dr|z3d>c: Please don't private message without first asking permission.
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02:40<eeeuser>How can I query if a filesystem is supported by the kernel?
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02:43<eeeuser>Ah. /boot/config
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03:06<enouf>cat /proc/filesystems
03:07<enouf>although, i see ext2/3 is not there since it's module isn't loaded
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03:09<enouf>dr|z3d: launch it from a xterm?
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03:10<enouf>oh .. nm
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03:22<mazze>When selecting "Shut Down Computer" in GNOME, there are two options at the left side, one of them being hibernation. When I press it, the laptop just whistles, but does not do anything else. What do I have to do to get hibernation working?
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03:29<dr|z3d>mazzeL Hibernation is often hit and miss on Linux. You might try updating your kernel.
03:30<mazze>dr|z3d I thought, there would be something missing, as GNOME makes some sounds, but does not show any errors or dismiss the window ... :(
03:31<dr|z3d>mazze: What's missing is support for hibernation for your mobo in the kernel, most likely.
03:31<mazze>okay, understanding; that's sad, of course ...
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03:31<dr|z3d>Find a newer kernel to install.
03:31<dr|z3d>2.6.29 or 2.6.30
03:32<dr|z3d>What are you using now, mazze? (you can do uname -a to find out)
03:32<mazze>2.6.26 ...
03:33<mazze>Using stable at the moment!
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03:33<dr|z3d>If you do try a later kernel, we'd be interested to know if it fixes your issue.
03:34<mazze>from backports, there is a linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64 image. Should I try that one?
03:34<dr|z3d>You're on 64bit?
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03:35<dr|z3d>Sure, then give 2.6.29 a shot.
03:35<amphi>mazze: does 'cat /sys/power/state' say 'disk'?
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03:35<mazze>amphi yes, it says "mem disk"
03:36<dr|z3d>2.6.29 sees more driver support (esp. wireless) and a faster boot time, amongst other things.
03:36<amphi>mazze: then 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' should suspend to disk; at boottime, you probably need to add 'resume=/dev/whatever' (where /dev/whatever is your swap partition) to the kernel command line to resume
03:37<dr|z3d>And 2.6.30 improves on boot time further.
03:37<dpkg>Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (a.k.a. hibernate) or suspend to RAM. The in-kernel suspend now works pretty well in etch (and even better in lenny). There are also kernel patches that provide more features such as <tuxonice>. Installing the uswsusp and hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or kpowersave should be enough. Also ask me about <suspend troubleshooting> and <swapwake>.
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03:39<mazze>okay, after all these ideas, I have now enough things to try ... thank you so far; maybe I'll be back, but as I see, dpkg here is also a great help :D
03:39<dr|z3d>!nuke mazze
03:39*dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at mazze
03:40*mazze completely confused
03:40<dr|z3d>!confuse mazze
03:40<dpkg>Yes, where is their bacon tomorrow, mazze? Wellies of the Monarchy of Tibet with extra cream.
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03:40<Supaplex>enough with the bot abuse
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03:48<mazze>now using 2.6.29 ...
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03:52<mazze>with "echo disk > ..." the system did hibernate correctly, just the GUI-Buttons in GNOME don't work. Where can I see, what commands they try to execute?
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03:56<hachi>network-manager 0.7.1 is VERY badly broken for me
03:56<hachi>is anyone able to help?
03:56<jrabbit>Don't use it.
03:56<hachi>I have three interfaces... wireless (a wireless card), wired (a wired card) and switch (a bridge, nothing bridged into it)
03:57<hachi>switch is configured in /etc/network/interfaces
03:57<hachi>if I plug an ethernet cable into my wired ethernet card
03:57<jrabbit>use ifconfig and iwconfig.
03:57<hachi>anyone want to help me get network-manager working properly?
03:57<jrabbit>I have NEVER had success with network-manager
03:57<wooj>hachi, network manager is the devil
03:58<wooj>if you need a manager for wifi, use wicd, and use ifconfig for ethernet.
03:58<hachi>is there some other forum of discussion for network-manager?
03:58<hachi>or perhaps debian support?
03:58<hachi>I would like to use network-manager
03:58*jrabbit was worried some RHEL psuher would pop in
03:58<gsimmons>hachi: There's #networkmanager on
03:58<hachi>not be berated for asking for help
03:58<hachi>thanks gsimmons
03:59<jrabbit>wooj: atleast we attempted.
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03:59<wooj>we did
03:59<hachi>gsimmons: no... there isn't really
03:59<wooj>however, some people want to do it the hard way I spose. :)
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04:00<hachi>there's one person there... channel isn't registered
04:01<wooj>hachi, I'd help you with network-manager if I could, but it is a really broken and buggy piece of software. You may find some assistance on #ubuntu about it, as they use it by default I believe, or maybe someone else in here eventually, but really (and I'm not trying to be an ass) you're better off NOT using it.
04:02<fsateler>hachi: what is wrong with your network-manager?
04:02<hachi>I haven't found a tool that lets me use WPA networks decently, other than network-manager
04:02<wooj>hachi, have you tried wicd ?
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04:02<hachi>fsateler: when I plug a wire into my interface named 'wired'
04:02<wooj>or that.
04:03<hachi>it takes the settings from my virtual interface 'switch' (which is a bridge configured in /etc/network/interfaces) and uses the static IP address assigned to it instead
04:03<hachi>and then gives me a message saying that it brought the interface 'switch' up
04:04<hachi>I'm trying to have automatic management of interfaces 'wired' and 'wireless' via nm, and a static interface in /etc/network/interfaces for my kvm sessions to attach to
04:05<fsateler>hachi: what does your /etc/network/interfaces say?
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04:07<hachi>and nm is set to managed=false
04:08<hachi>the options in the nm-system-settings.conf file is badly documented... I can't tell if there are extra things I could put in there
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04:09<gsimmons>hachi: Looks like it's #nm on freenode now.
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04:09<fsateler>hachi: this is weird... nm should not try to manage your hardcoded interfaces
04:09<hachi>that's the funny part
04:09<hachi>it isn't
04:09<hachi>that interface is staying put, as I expect
04:09<hachi>it has an address, is up... stays there
04:10<hachi>what happens is the other interface, my eth card
04:10<hachi>with an entirely different name
04:10<hachi>the nm interface says it's managing 'switch'
04:10<fsateler>but is eth0 up?
04:10<hachi>but really it's using the 'switch' settings from /etc/network/interfaces, and applying them to 'wired'
04:10<hachi>eth0 (wired) does come up
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04:10<fsateler>oh ok
04:11<hachi>but it is assigned the static address from /etc/network/interfaces on the other interface
04:11<hachi>it should be hitting DHCP
04:11<hachi>if I comment out this interface in /etc/network/interfaces it all works fine
04:11<fsateler>did you try adding eth0 to /etc/network/interfaces?
04:11<hachi>I did
04:11<hachi>but then in order for nm to manage that interface I have to set managed=true
04:11<hachi>and then nm treats the bridge as a real interface
04:12<hachi>and claims to be 'online' all the time, and other things
04:12<fsateler>I can't think of a possible explanation
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04:12<fsateler>possibly nm is not capable of handling your situation
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04:13<hachi>I'm pretty sure it's just doing the wrong thing period
04:15<fsateler>hachi: maybe it is a bug... nm should just ignore the settings in /etc/networks/interfaces
04:16<fsateler>report it... even if it's not a bug, then it is a documentation bug
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04:23<sammy>can someone pls help
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04:23<sammy>im installing debian-501-i386-netinst
04:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:24<sammy>and in at configure apt
04:24<sammy>but tells me packages cant be found on the server
04:24<dr|z3d>Add the correct repositories to your apt list, sammy.
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04:24<sammy>tells me no valid release files
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04:24<sammy>any ideas i have tried other servers 2
04:25<dr|z3d>A quick google will tell you how to add sources to apt's repo list.
04:25<sammy>they get same errer
04:25<sammy>when im installing
04:25<sammy>what do i add tho
04:25<sammy>none of the originals work
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04:26<sammy>recons it dont have the right realease files
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04:28<dr|z3d>google for: "add repositories to debian's apt list"
04:29<sammy>k thanks
04:29<sammy>but i havnt installed it yet
04:29<wnd>just to be sure, did you run "aptitude update"?-)
04:30<sammy>im installing ti
04:30<sammy>im in the installer
04:30<sammy>booted from cd
04:30<wnd>oh ok. nevermind then.
04:30<dr|z3d>Check you have net connectivity.. sounds like you don't.
04:30<sammy>well it got clock from internet
04:30<dr|z3d>Ok, then you do.
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04:33<sammy>must not be connected
04:33<sammy>cant see it on my router
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04:34<sammy>is there any way to test for a live connection when its installing
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04:49<hachi>fsateler: I try to report bugs... but I really hate reportbug
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04:50<hachi>I want to send the bug via my own MUA
04:50<hachi>but the thing always tries to send it via sendmail or something for me
04:51<hachi>takes a ton of config
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04:51<hachi>I think I reported a bug on reportbug on that... and am still waiting
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05:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:16<Flakk>Hi people, how can I determine the type and characteristics of my processor? i am running debian etch
05:16<Yoda-BZH>cat /proc/cpuinfo
05:17<Flakk>great thanks!
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05:19<Flakk>actually /proc contains a lot of info
05:19<Flakk>as i see now
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05:22<Flakk><Yoda-BZH> actually when i try gedit /proc/cpuinfo the file itself turns out to be empty. why? ( ycat /proc/info gives what I wanted, but I am just curious
05:22<alys>This is not specifically debian, but I would like to know, please, what has happened to good ol' bitchx. I have just installed lenny and I could not apt-get bitchx. Thank you.
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05:23<shamanix>you could try manually downloading the deb if it was in the repos, and just use dpkg to install it
05:24<alys>thank you.
05:24<Yoda-BZH>Flakk hmmm, works fine here
05:24<shamanix>I don't guaranty it will work but its worth a shot
05:24<alien>well all my apt's are gett-ed
05:24<Yoda-BZH>make sure you didn't misstyped the filename
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05:25<alien>who's on first
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05:26<Flakk>Yoda-BZH i mean the command "gedit /proc/cpuinfo" open an empty file - i checked the spelling
05:26<Supaplex>uh, isn't bitchx abandoned?
05:26<gsimmons>!tell alys -about bitchx
05:27<Supaplex>it needs to be nuked :)
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05:28<jlj>Is there any way to tell the type of a SD card from within the system? ie if it's SDHC or a regular card
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05:28<azeem>jlj: lshal, maybe
05:29<Yoda-BZH>Flakk checked with kate and geany, fine here; you can cat /proc/cpuinfo > $HOME/mycpuinfos; gedit $HOME/mycpuinfos
05:29<jlj>azeem: ok, i'll try
05:30<Flakk>Yoda-BZH, ok thanks, in any case cat /proc/cpuinfo is fine, I was just curious
05:33<shamanix>anyone know what to install when I get the following error:Could not find the file that is generated by gnome-libs install? Tried installing a few gnome dev packages but none of them solved it so far
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05:45<Flakk>Yoda-BZH, I have found a strange thing about my laptop. the processor is called "Intel Pent. 1.6 Ghz" but the cpuinfo says also: cpu MHz = 600, and bogomips = 1200. SO it is actually 600, and NOT 1600 Ghz, right? :)
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05:48<Nemoder>Flakk: it's possible the chip is underclocked, might check your bios settings
05:48<Yoda-BZH>cpu frequency scaling
05:48<Flakk><Yoda-BZH> sorry what do you mean?
05:49<Nemoder>ohh laptop that's right
05:49<Yoda-BZH>when the cpu has nothing to do, the kernel underclock the cpu to save energy
05:49<Flakk>Nemoder: the same message; sorry I do not understand
05:50<Nemoder>Flakk: as yoda says it is probably just low to save energy, try running something cpu intensive and then check it again
05:50<Flakk>oh ok got it, - trying
05:52<locklace>Flakk: run "powertop"
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05:56<Flakk>locklace: hmm i have installed powertop, but $powertop says no command powertop, maybe it has another name?
05:57<locklace>Flakk: /usr/sbin/powertop, run it as root
05:57<motor>i in
05:57<Supaplex>or type hash -r if you are root.
05:57<motor>i'm fish ,i in
05:58<Flakk>Nemoder: i tried "CPU Fibonacci" the result is satisfactory: 5. 9 seconds against 3.6 seconds on my desktop with 3.2 Ghz, so i basically think they did not lie about 1.6 Ghz on the laptop, however /proc/cpuinfo still says 600mhz cpu
05:58<Flakk>locklace" oh ok
05:59<Flakk>locklace: it says c0=1.6 Ghz c1halt 1200 Mhz c2 600 Mhz (in bold letters)
06:00<Flakk>I think i understand
06:00<Flakk>thanks a lot!
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06:02<lili__>how i can enable my energy save mode ??
06:03<lili__>my cpuinfo never changes..
06:03<Supaplex>init 0 ;)
06:03<locklace>yeah, that will save lots of energy
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06:05<locklace>lili__: lenny uses the ondemand cpufreq governor by default, meaning your processor frequency should automatically scale up and down to match load. if this isn't happening (according to powertop, say) then either your hw doesn't support it or, if you know it does, your kernel doesn't support your hw
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06:08<lili__>locklace : what is the name of the kernel module that support save energy...
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06:20<lili__>Is w3m browser possible to view the online-video ??? like the video on youtube..
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06:21<lili__>Is w3m browser possible to view the online-video like the video on youtube??
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06:21<shamanix>w3m is text mode only, I don't think thats possible
06:22<Supaplex>but he wants to use aalib ;)
06:24<lili__>we just lack of that plugin? while w3m-img can see the picture..
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06:37<Ninds>I am trying to prepare a debian package as per
06:37<Ninds>but am a little confused .. about the steps I need to take
06:38<Ninds>is there someone who could help
06:38<kenyon>what's the problem?
06:39<Ninds>sorry I think I should be on another channel debian-mentors
06:39<kenyon>oh, ok
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06:50<lili__>why dose my sound card can be used by only one program? when i use xmms, my game mae no voice at all??
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06:51<lili__>Are you guys have the same situtation
06:52<sunoano>does anybody know a repo where I can get a .deb for
06:52<Torsten_W>lili__, use alsa in all apps
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06:52<sunoano>err ? ... better :)
06:52<sunoano>else, I'll have to do it manually
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07:22<kva>hello, all. is there someone who knows how to use vloopback?
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08:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:22<eduardo_>anyone knows a good tutorial for samba?
09:22<eduardo_>home network
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09:25<eduardo_>thanks, with samba i can see files shared in windows that right?
09:26<dr|z3d>eduardo_: Yup.
09:26<dr|z3d>Samba is MS's SMB protocol reverse engineered.
09:27<eduardo_>thanks a lot, i will read and try
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09:43<incal>hello, what is the best way to "sleep" your computer so that the monitor is blank, as little activity as possible (quiet computer) but still internet access, and quick "turn on" when you resume work... I have found sleep, rtcwake, pm-action, apmsleep, and some others but they don't work as I want them to?
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09:44<abrotman>incal: just don't touch it .. the monitor should turn off on its own
09:45<incal>how is that achieved? I am impatient
09:46<patrikf>incal: save-to-ram is probably what you want, although that won't keep your computer connected to the internet
09:46<patrikf>(often labeled "standby" in desktop environments)
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09:49<eduardo_>workkkkk!!!!! thanks a lotttt!
09:49<eduardo_>jtaji, dr|z3d, very very thanks!
09:49<dr|z3d>De nada, eduardo_
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09:51<incal>is there a way to simply disable the monitor from bash?
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09:57<locklace>incal: setterm
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10:30<stuckey>Could anyone here tell me how I can shrink my LVM so that I can get like 20gb of free space?
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10:32<locklace>!fgi stuckey shrink-lvm
10:32<TongueOfColicab>hi, im mounting my windows partition from fstab file, but when i try to enter using a "noroot" user i get the message "access denied to /mnt/windows"
10:34<locklace>TongueOfColicab: man mount | less '+/^Mount options for fat'
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10:34<TongueOfColicab>im using this line to mount it /dev/sda1 /mnt/WindowsXP ntfs user,rw,auto 0 0
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10:34<TongueOfColicab>appears to be fine because i can get in using root user
10:35<TongueOfColicab>not the same using "noroot" user
10:35<TongueOfColicab>i think is about permissions not mount options
10:35<locklace>TongueOfColicab: man mount | less '+/^Mount options for ntfs'
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10:37<stuckey>locklace: <-- how come I have so many 64mb partitions?
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10:39<locklace>stuckey: ignore ram*, those are just potential ramdisks
10:39<stuckey>locklace: So I did lvreduce -L -8G /dev/my_volume/
10:39<stuckey>That was all that need be done?
10:40<stuckey>What am I missing
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10:42<stuckey>locklace: Was I supposed to reduce the file system first?
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10:43<TongueOfColicab>i've add the umask option to mount line on fstab
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10:44<TongueOfColicab>and still cant get in
10:45<Torsten_W>TongueOfColicab, have u remount the partition after the change?
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10:45<stuckey>locklace: okay so I didn't shrink the filesystem first; should I re-enlarge it again by 8G?
10:45<TongueOfColicab>ive rebootes
10:45<Torsten_W>and which umask-option u have used?
10:46<Torsten_W>umask=000 is what you want
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10:46<Torsten_W>u should read the manpages carefully
10:46<TongueOfColicab>isnt 777 full access?
10:46<Torsten_W>is not!
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10:47<TongueOfColicab>read the file man!!!??
10:48<locklace>stuckey: what is the second sentence in the DESCRIPTION section of man lvreduce
10:48<locklace>TongueOfColicab: man umask
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10:49<stuckey>locklace: shit
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10:49<stuckey>locklace: The drive wasn't full though... I hope that means that I didn't lose data.
10:50<locklace>stuckey: you can try extending again and running fsck on the filesystem
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10:51<stuckey>locklace: Do I just do "fsck /dev/my_volume/"?
10:52<locklace>please read the man pages for commands before asking how to use them here
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10:53<locklace>you know, things like lvreduce, resize2fs, fsck
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10:53<weasel>how boring. trying to understand what one's doing. such a quaint concept
10:53<TongueOfColicab>ok now i can get access to partition, however i cant write in it
10:54<TongueOfColicab>ive used rw option on mount line in fstab
10:54<Torsten_W>TongueOfColicab, u will nevver be able to write on ntfs with the kernel-ntfs-driver
10:54<Torsten_W>TongueOfColicab, stfw about ntfs-3g
10:54<TongueOfColicab>ive used ntfs-3g somedays ago
10:54<Torsten_W>ntfs != ntfs-3g
10:54<Torsten_W>then use ntfs-3g
10:54<TongueOfColicab>can i use ntfs-3g in fstab line?
10:55<Torsten_W>where else?
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10:55<TongueOfColicab>whats rtfm i speak spanish i dont understand somethings like that!! =)
10:55<dpkg>methinks rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
10:55<Torsten_W>then use google
10:55<drakeman>hello TongueOfColicab
10:56<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, i speak spanish too.
10:56<TongueOfColicab>gg nice
10:56<TongueOfColicab>hola hombre que te cuentas??
10:56<Torsten_W>not in this channel
10:56<Torsten_W>speak english or leave
10:56<drakeman>TongueOfColicab, i sent you a private msg.
10:56<TongueOfColicab>i just response to drakeman
10:57<TongueOfColicab>easy boy
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10:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:58<sney>and there's no need to be mean about it. :)
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10:59<TongueOfColicab>however i like to find help here
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10:59<TongueOfColicab>because u really know a lot
10:59<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
11:00<sney>well, as long as you keep hablando ingles we won't have any problems
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11:01<mihkel>Hi. I'm trying to compile latest vanilla kernel on squeeze. But after fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image, I have no initrd.img in /boot
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11:02<mihkel>and the system won't boot
11:02<mihkel>How can I generate that initrd.img* file?
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11:04<TongueOfColicab>ok i can write now using ntfs-3g
11:04<TongueOfColicab>thanks a lot
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11:05<locklace>!dbugs 528373
11:05<dpkg>DONE:#528373:N[kernel-package] /usr/bin/make-kpkg: make-kpkg doesn't build initrd since kernel (); Tue, 12 May 2009 13:36:01 UTC []
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11:09<danger_>Hi I'm trying to start doing some driver development work, the tutorial I'm reading says I need to get the "kernel-source-2.6.x" package but I can't find it with apt-get
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11:11<locklace>danger_: linux-source-2.6
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11:11<Golfgeo>Hi all
11:11<locklace>danger_: linux-source-2.6.26 that is
11:11<danger_>thank you locklace
11:12<Golfgeo>What protocol is used to combine IP ranges (subnets) into one logical IP adress
11:12<Golfgeo>*into one logical IP network?
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11:12<Golfgeo>Or what is doing this called
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11:13<Golfgeo>(context of routes b.t.w.)
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11:13<Bunnyh>virtual private networking, perhaps?
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11:13<Golfgeo>Bunnyh: No, combining multiple vlan ip subnets into one "route" to advertise on the network...
11:14<locklace>Golfgeo: why do you keep joining this channel to ask networking questions that have nothing to do with debian
11:14<locklace>Golfgeo: go to ##networking or #cisco on
11:14<Golfgeo>locklace: Feedback for my project
11:14<Golfgeo>Been there and no one was there
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11:15<adb>173 on ##networking
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11:15<Golfgeo>wth, 173?
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11:15<Golfgeo>Last night it was 2 peeps without any activity
11:15<adb> on
11:16<Golfgeo>Yep, on freenode
11:16<locklace>Golfgeo: the fact that "no one is there" in the right channel is no excuse to ask in the wrong channel
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11:16<Golfgeo>locklace: I know, but I might still get an awnser here, since most people here know a bit about networking
11:16<Golfgeo>But this discussion is without a point
11:16<locklace>Golfgeo: that response is, frankly, bullshit
11:17<locklace>ubuntu people give the same bogus justification for coming here when they don't get help in #ubuntu
11:17<locklace>it's an abuse of irc
11:17<Golfgeo>Perhaps, but still my response
11:18<locklace>and ubuntu at least is vaguely connected to debian, unlike your questions
11:18<Golfgeo>Look I have no time to spare a.t.m., I asked politly and got a partial awnser
11:18<adb>Golfgeo: go ##networking , now they are 173, hurry up
11:18<dr|z3d>Golfgeo: I think locklace might be subtly hinting that there are better places to ask your questions. :)
11:18<Golfgeo>I'm happy I tyed and going to follow adb advice
11:19<locklace>you have no time to spare, but assume we have time to spare for helping you on off-topic questions?
11:19<bja>dr|z3d: Subltly ? I belive that is an understatement
11:19<danger_>If that's subtle, then I'd hate to see locklace be blunt lol
11:19<dr|z3d>(the day locklace does subtle is the day he sports a pair of hormone induced breasts).
11:20*dr|z3d winks.
11:20<Golfgeo>I would say "not nice" i.s.o. "helpfull", perhaps a perspective problem. But still...
11:21<dr|z3d>When that time comes, I'm sure he'll proudly have them on display for the channel, eh locklace? ;)
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11:22<locklace>dr|z3d: i don't think we needed to know that much about your predilections
11:22<dr|z3d>locklace: With or without breasts, I'm happy to report you're _not_ a fetish of mine. :)
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11:23<locklace>colour me relieved
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11:24<danger_>Guys are there any decent (but preferably free :D) online books covering writing linux device drivers preferably where the author is using Debian?
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11:25<sney>do you have much experience with that sort of software engineering or do you just plan to jump in headfirst
11:25<locklace>danger_: this is the only book i know of on the subject, but you're probably seen it:
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11:26<danger_>Hi sney - well I have some experience with C programming but no real experience of device driver development reading this tutorial at the moment
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11:26<cerpin>is there no kde3.5 in testing anymore?
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11:26<locklace>cerpin: nope. consider reading debian-devel-announce
11:27<dpkg>debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process and it's your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' < /dev/null" or Ask me about <apt-listchanges>
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11:27<sney>well, if you're fairly fluent in C your best bet would probably be to read up on the basics (like you just found, and locklace linked) and then opening up a bunch of existing device drivers and reading the source
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11:27<sney>but, since the linux kernel is pretty universal, there won't be much debian-specific anything involved, at least not until you get to the very end and are packaging modules
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11:28<raymonp_>im having problems with a debian postfix installation
11:28<raymonp_>suddenly the accounts have started to get emails stating "Considered UNSOLICITED BULK EMAIL, apparently from you"
11:28<raymonp_>any ideas?
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11:29<danger_>Thanks for that link locklace just having a look at that now :) thats pretty much what I'll do I think sney - more interested in network devices than anything else at the moment so might have a look at the device driver for whatever the inbuilt NIC is in my laptop
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11:30<locklace>raymonp_: either your users actually are sending junk, you're being used as a relay, or your source addresses are being forged by junk senders elsewhere
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11:31<sney>danger_: the e100 and 3c59x are 2 venerable ethernet drivers, they've been around forever and work very well. probably a good example to work from
11:31<bja>dpkg: tell raymonp_ about unix lessons
11:32<locklace>no ne2k love?
11:32<bja>raymonp_: take a look at number 8
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11:32<danger_>will check them out thanks sney
11:33<sney>locklace: heh, that one too, but I never actually owned a ne2000 nic so it's not the first thing that comes to mind
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11:34<raymonp_>I`ve checked the logs.. can`t find anything out of the ordinary. I think it might be spam related, fake sender..but I don`t want these kind of rapports sent to the email accounts..
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11:36<bja>raymonp_: check your ip at spamhaus, its a place to start
11:36<raymonp_>ok, thanks.
11:36<danger_>I had a look through this which seemed quite good though it's looking at a RealTek chip, when I think I've got some inbuilt intel thing
11:37<raymonp_>the IP is not listed
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11:38<bja>raymonp_: Use your imagination, what can be wrong, is the mail also spam, ... pls
11:39<raymonp_>I think its spam generating a report sent to the users.
11:39<raymonp_>"Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.1 Rejected, id=00771-06 - SPAM" is mentioned in the email
11:40<raymonp_>perhaps amavis? I just want to drop the report email. It`s annoying.
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11:42<danger_>ban plz
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11:43<thairys>oq é isso ???????????
11:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:43<thairys>n sei oq q eu estou fazendo al???
11:43<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:46<bja>Score dr|z3d 1 danger_ 0
11:46<danger_>:( lol
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11:48<dr|z3d>!ops thairys is being an asshat
11:48<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: thairys is being an asshat
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11:49<ml|>dr|z3d: lol
11:49<weasel>dr|z3d: a little more restraint, please.
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11:49<azeem>maybe he meant "asset"
11:50<dr|z3d>Nah, weasel.. check the nick change.. he's been irksome for a while.
11:50<ml|>thairys: plz don't pm me
11:50<danger_>^^ he did that to me too grr
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11:51<weasel>dr|z3d: that does not make people "asshats".
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11:51<dr|z3d>weasel: We must agree to differ on that point, then. :)
11:51<ml|>Myon: thank you
11:52<danger_>how long should it take to compile the kernel source code - stressing my laptop out big time at the moment :o
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11:53<mentor>dr|z3d: and you must agree to take weasel's point in here
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11:53<@Myon>no meta discussions please
11:55<stuckey>locklace: okay so I ran fsck and it says "file system was modified".
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12:00<danger_>Random question looking at the standard out whilst compiling the kernel some lines are prefixed CC (which I assume means it's just complied a C program) and others LD - what does the LD bit mean?
12:01<locklace>danger_: man ld
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12:02<danger_>ah thanks locklace should have though of that myself :(
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12:03<bja>!coffee danger_
12:03*dpkg decants a fine brew of fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for danger_, courtesy of bja
12:03<stuckey>How do I determine by how much to reduce my Logical Volume by after resizing the file system? I resized the file system so that it would be 500G (that caused the volume to become 542G).
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12:09<dazjorz>What's the right channel to go for debian gnu/kfreebsd? :)
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12:15<danger_>can insmod be run by a standard user?
12:17<Myon>dazjorz: depends on your question
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12:37<sandi>hello ppl
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12:39<jidm>hi. i'm on debian testing now, and im a little affected by the upgrading process of gnome
12:39<jidm>my problem is i can't connect over ssh on nautilus/gedit
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12:40<jidm>i ask you: is it a bad idea to upgrade my system to debian sid, and after that link my repos to testing again?
12:41<jidm>so i can get a working gnome, and then with the time will be synced to testing again
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12:46<cahoot>jidm: no that's not going to work AFAIK
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12:46<jidm>cahoot: you say if i switch to sid, i can't never get back to pointing testing again?
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12:47<cahoot>jidm: that's my understanding - as Dylan says 'you can go back but not all the way'
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12:47<herard>Daniel discupame
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12:49<herard>Daniel_Duesentrieb, discupame yo no podia quedarme
12:49<herard>pues no me siento bien
12:49<bja>jidm: And then you are left in between releases, I don't think that is a good idea
12:50<bja>herard: Si tienes algo personal para alguien mandale un mensaje y ahorranos la molestia
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12:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:51<jidm>cahoot: let me express myself again: I want to switch sid, upgrade to sid, then NOT downgrading to testing, but point to testing so when it goes upgrading, i'll be synced to it again
12:51<jidm>sometime in the future
12:51<cockroach>okay, it seems i'm being stupid and need help: gpg -K <mykey> shows 4 uids in my key but when the key appears in the list (using a plain gpg -K) there are only 3 uid. how can i fix that?
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12:52<cahoot>jidm: in spite of the quote I think I understood you correctly first time - still don't believe that's a viable method
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12:52<jidm>cahoot: ok thanks. So i should look for a gnome 2.26 repo instead?
12:52<craigevil>jidm: I would check the BTS to see if the packages you are having issues with are even fixed in Sid
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12:53<dazjorz>Myon: no question, just hanging around
12:53<dazjorz>Yoda-BZH: thanks :)
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12:54<jidm>craigegil: the problem in testing today is that there is a mix of packages between gnome 2.20, 2.24 and 2.26
12:54<jidm>i think it will be solved with time
12:54<craigevil>jidm: sid isnt any better, most of gnome in sid is 2.24 though
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12:55<jidm>ok so i should wait?
12:55<bja>jidm: You can always change de
12:55<craigevil>gnome-core is 2.24, while nautilus is 2.26
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12:55<jidm>bja: change de? sorry i didnt get it
12:56<bja>jidm: Desktop environment
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12:56<jidm>bja understood!
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12:57<cahoot>jidm: missing some vital functionality?
12:59<jidm>cahoot: not vital as i cannot use gnome, but yes vital to my daily work manners :P
12:59<jidm>np i think i can try kde. It is in good shape now, isnt it?
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12:59<danger_>sorry to ask again, but could some one give me a rough idea of how long the kernel takes to compile (1.2Ghz Centino). Are we talking 1 hour or 10?
13:00<cahoot>closer to 1 than 10 I'd say
13:00<craigevil>jidm: kde4 either sucks or rocks depends on who you ask, I like lxde
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13:00<jidm>craigevil so i think i'll try lxde
13:01<jidm>craigevile whether it sucks or not, is it stable in testing?
13:01<craigevil>jidm: no clue i run Sid
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13:02<shamanix>Guys I'm trying to get my floppy (don't laugh) drive working (told you not to laugh), however every time I try to mount I get something like /dev/fd0 doesn't exist ... error, can anyone help with this?
13:02<cahoot>modprobe floppy?
13:02<craigevil>whats a floppy? :)
13:02<cahoot>hmm it's saturday
13:02<jidm>or i could learn awesome :o
13:03<shamanix>cahoot well it lit up, now what
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13:03<abrotman>jidm: you can use to check
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13:03<jidm>thanks people. going one way or another
13:03<jidm>abortman: yes, im addict to p.d.o
13:03<wndofw>so... my system seems alot slower under linux right now.
13:03<danger_>lol how so?
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13:04<cahoot>shamanix: mount?
13:04<shamanix>cahoot: just tried, looks like its working
13:04<wndofw>a web page takes a long time to load. it's not my connection. under windows it's just point>click>load. there is no lag. under linux it takes like 2 full seconds just for to load.
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13:05<wndofw>other apps are really slow
13:06<wndofw>watching video/media is painfully slow
13:06<wooj>wndofw, disable ipv6 lookup in firefox
13:06<shamanix>wndofw: I had that prob with slow internet until I manually set DNS and totally disabled ipv6
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13:07<wooj>wndofw, - for ubuntu, but the same applies
13:07<wndofw>so i toggled the ipv6 setting in about:config if that's what you meant
13:07<wndofw>maybe it's firefox
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13:08<shamanix>wndofw: google up how to disable ipv6 (not just in firefox), and how to manually set dns servers and if that doesn't fix it nothing will
13:09<craigevil>wndofw: if other apps are slow it sounds more like a video driver issue
13:09<wndofw>i was having video driver issues
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13:09<wndofw>and i'm not using latest nvidia drivers because i read something about older drivers working better with my card
13:10<wndofw>maybe that was just bull...
13:10<danger_>craig maybe I'm being an idiot but I don't understand how a video driver would effect say a grep command
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13:11<danger_>wndofw when you say other apps are slow, what do you mean - any examples
13:11<wndofw>so the file /etc/modprobe.conf doesn't seem to exist on my system
13:12<bja>wndofw: Nvidia policy or what i understand of it, is that theyĺl keep fixing their drivers, until they drop them. If your card is supported by the latest driver, then you should stick to it
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13:13<wndofw>danger_: forget that. maybe i was just imagining other apps being slow.
13:14<wndofw>and why don't i have a modprobe.conf on my system
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13:14<wndofw>that's weird
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13:17<wndofw>shamanix: ans what do i want to set my dns servers to? my isp's or an alternative?
13:17<wndofw>cat /etc/resolv.conf
13:17<locklace>wndofw: opendns is fast
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13:18<wndofw>yeah. i tried that once. i got alot of errors about them not allowing traffic to certain sites
13:18<wndofw>i felt sensored
13:19<wndofw>cat /etc/resolv.conf
13:19<wndofw>domain domain_not_set.invalid
13:19<wndofw>search domain_not_set.invalid
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13:19<craigevil>you can adjust opendns so it doesnt block anything
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13:19<danger_>if you rmmod a module, which itself is a dependency of a another module loaded into the Kernel, what happens when you try and get that loaded module to do something that it needs the removed module - just a kernel panic or something worse?
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13:20<wndofw>does that look right to you guys? 'domain domain_not_set.invalid'?
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13:21<wndofw>ok. those nameservers are definitely wrong, right
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13:22<locklace>!lart pippo
13:22*dpkg urinates on pippo
13:22<dr|z3d>pippo: Take the spam elsewhere. Thanks.
13:22<wndofw>*kick pippo (reason: spam tard)
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13:22<dr|z3d>!ops pippo's advertizing warez.
13:22<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: pippo's advertizing warez.
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13:23<cahoot>the reation amounted to 15 times the original spam
13:24<wndofw>divided by 5
13:24<cahoot>lines (in my win)
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13:24<dr|z3d>He wasn't looking for Debian help.
13:25<dr|z3d>Spamming onjoin as well. Not polite.
13:25<kins>my window manager doesnt show any icon on title bar --i use compize+emerald
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13:25<danger_>Hi guys is there a specialized irc chan for discussing device driver programming?
13:25<wooj>kins, emerald --replace &&
13:25<wooj>in console
13:26<petemc>danger_: #kernelnewbies
13:26<abrotman>danger_: maybe a kernel channel like #kernelnewbies
13:26<danger_>thank you two
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13:26<kins>nothings happening
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13:27<kins>i used to have metacity before now i switched to compiz
13:27<alys>advice, please: I'm using irssi in lenny as I could not install bitchx - my usual irc client in etch. Is irssi secure and advisable to use?
13:27<petemc>much more so than bitchx
13:27<wooj>irssi is quite good
13:28<wooj>(says the guy using xchat)
13:28<alys>I find it difficult to get used to, but I suspect it will take all the normal irc commands.
13:28<valdyn>!best irc client
13:28<dpkg>from memory, irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . #irssi on
13:28<alys>Thanks to you all.
13:28<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
13:29<alys>I see - I didn't realise it was so questionable
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13:29<wooj>Its from like the 1990s
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13:29<wooj>I recall using it on efnet way back then.
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13:30<danger_>Using chatzilla here I quite like it :)
13:31<kins> compiz --replace
13:31<kins>/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Plugin 'core' has ABI version '20080828', expected ABI version '20080424'.
13:31<kins>/usr/bin/compiz.real (ccp) - Error: InitObject failed
13:31<kins>/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Couldn't activate plugin 'ccp'
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13:35<kins_> this is what iget on entering compiz --replce
13:35<danger_>I think the Debian folks missed a trick with iceweasel would have been awesome if they called it fozenpussy instead
13:36<danger_>frozen rather lol
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13:36<wooj>kins_, I think your compiz-core has a different version than other bits of your compiz
13:37<wooj>kins_, try purging it and doing an apt-get update and reinstalling?
13:37<kins_>lemme try
13:39<alys>Puppy Linux - if that's not impermissible to mention - has 'icecat' - a version of mozilla firefox
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13:39<kins_>ya my compiz and compiz-fusion are of different versions
13:39<Mavromatis>what desktop env. you'll recommend for a p200mhz with 64mb of ram?
13:40<dr|z3d>Mavromatis: You're pushing it, there.
13:40<amphi>kins_: how did you manage that?
13:40<wooj>Mavromatis, twm.
13:40<dr|z3d>On 64MB, Xfce's too much.. windowmaker?
13:40<wooj>or fvwm
13:40<amphi>or openbox
13:41<ml|>or xmonad ;)
13:41<dr|z3d>fluxbox would also be ok.
13:41<kins_>i did an update on compiz for installing the latest emerald theme manger
13:41<wooj>kins_, are you getting any of this from a 3rd party repo?
13:41<wooj>cause I didnt think emerald was *in* debian
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13:41<amphi>ml|: right - it's using 7MB here ATM ;)
13:41<ml|>amphi: sup :)
13:41<alys>I used flwm in etch on a PII 233 Mhz 64megs ram and it was really good - no worries about displaying anything but the programs you want.
13:41<danger_>Finally kernel compilation finished! my laptop was getting a little too toasty for comfort
13:41<bja>Mavromatis: Keyboard oriented, i would recomend Xmonad or ion3
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13:42<amphi>ml|: 'the sedges are withered by the lake, and no birds sing'
13:42<Mavromatis>so you say I must stay on command line area?
13:43<amphi>Mavromatis: no; there are many light WMs
13:43<amphi>some of which have been recently mentioned
13:43<bja>Mavromatis: the simpler it gets, the most posibilities you have that it will run at all
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13:43<danger_>whats wrong with just using the CLI?
13:44<Mavromatis>danger_, I use the machine to connect to a VNC server
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13:44<alys>I have always found debian to be good on low-end PCs - the sort that Windoze would not touch - and I wouldn't touch Windoze, of course! ;-0
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13:45<danger_>To be fair the system I'm on at the moment is only a 1.2Ghz Centrino and Lenny with GNOME work perfectly well.
13:45<danger_>I wouldn't try running eclipse on a 64MB PII though :o)
13:45<Mavromatis>actually I was using some modified win95/98 on this machine
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13:46<alys>Mavromatis: delete win95/98 - or dual boot using grub - and you will find the machine works just fine with debian. Use a good size swap file to help
13:47<neiljp>is there some way to find out if a later (java/gnu) classpath implements a function that is "unsupported" in the lenny version...and then get it if so :)
13:47<Mavromatis>doing that now alys
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13:48<alys>I thought you might - I bet you think debian is great - as I do.
13:48<jamuraa>but debian is great! :)
13:48<alys>Amen to that! ;-)
13:49<dpkg>Sing it, sister!
13:49<Mavromatis>I hope it is
13:49<alys>how did it know my gender? ;-)
13:49<danger_>it's not as good as RHEL (runs off into corner to await oncoming abuse)
13:49<ml|>danger_: :P
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13:50<locklace>alys: greatness
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13:52<danger_>Anyone tried the new Ubuntu release? Have a quick go with it today, well I tired to right until the entire install process bollocks'd up grr, definitely sticking with debian
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13:52<kins>i still dont get the icons on title bar
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13:53<dr|z3d>Sounds like #compiz-fusion or whatever the channel's called on freenode might be a better bet, kins. They know all. :)
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13:57<shamanix>Guys, is there a way to reset or better yet force X to redetect graphics card settings?
13:57<danger_>could you change run levels?
13:58<kins>how do u wake a system from hybernation at a specific time
13:59<danger_>Dunno could you use WoL
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14:06<kurumin>eu sou victor
14:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:06<kurumin>my name is victor
14:07<kurumin>my name is joelson
14:07<kins>my debian lenny seems to hang up occassionally--while seeing movies..even while browsing...could anyone help?
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14:07<dr|z3d>kurumin: Got a Debian issue we can help you with?
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14:08<bja>dr|z3d: Nice try, you made a mistake not br but troll he he
14:08<bja>dr|z3d: No point for you this time :)
14:08<dr|z3d>bja: Nah, more likely he'd just installed Debian and was taken here by default by Xchat?
14:09<ml|>lol he was tricked
14:10<ml|>kurumin usually comes around and does that
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14:10<dr|z3d>Ah, ok. A known misbehaver.
14:10<bja>dr|z3d: The usual mosquito that comes and goes :)
14:11<ml|>yup, best to ignore him usally leaves right after
14:11<bja>ml|: Is zsh faster than bash or is it just my imagination?
14:11<ml|>bja: using zsh?
14:12<bja>ml|: Downloaded yesterday, and took an hour to customize it
14:12<ml|>nice huh :)
14:12<ml|>are you usind dash?
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14:13<bja>ml|: I also downloaded it, but Haven't tried it yet
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14:13<ml|>bja: it's easy dpkg=reconfigure dash yes and reboot
14:14<bja>ml|: I'll take my time, Iḿ researching it before i do that :)
14:15<ml|>ml|: ok i did too ;)
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14:15<bja>btw PS2 is the prompt what are PS1 and PS4 ?
14:16<danger_>just reading that "Linux device drivers" book you pointed me to locklace, it's actually very good and very well written (makes a change from some of the shite O'Rielly sell lol) well judging on the first three chapters, so thanks for flagging it up
14:16<kins>could anyone tell me how to wake a system from hibernation
14:16<ml|>bja: dunno i just use PS1
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14:16<danger_>bja - games consoles?
14:17<ml|>my zshrc ...
14:17<bja>ml|: sorry PS1 is the prompt, PS2 and PS3?
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14:17<bja>danger_: shell variables
14:17<kins>like i tried rtcwake command....but my system doesnt bootup
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14:18<off39>qualcuno parla italiano?
14:18<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:18<off39>ok grazie
14:19<danger_>m1| +1 point
14:19<ml|>oh keeping score are we?
14:19<bja>ml|: Interesting appart from the compinstall and zsh-newuser-install all I have is PS1="%n@%m:%~%# "
14:19<danger_>yep! we need some sort of bot to do it for us
14:20<ml|>danger_: lol
14:20<ml|>bja: try my zshrc and be in aww ;)
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14:20<ml|>change the username tho
14:20<bja>ml|: I'll give it a go
14:21<ml|>bja: lmk how you like it
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14:21<ml|>you'll notice colored ls, and a bit better completion etc...
14:22<danger_>dudes is adobe acrobat reader in the non-free repos?
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14:22<bja>the completion is the part i don't seem to get right, but I'll play around with it
14:22<bja>danger_: evince xpdf, and lots more that can do that :)
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14:23<ml|>you will see a difference from my zshrc to zshc like yours
14:23<danger_>bja: evince is not working to well here I think due to this systems spec :(
14:23<craigevil>danger_: no you have to get adobe reader from
14:23<abrotman>danger_: tried xpdf ?
14:24<danger_>abrotman apt-get'ting it as we chat
14:24<ml|>xpdf, epdfview work fine here
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14:25<bja>danger_: you can always fallback on gs
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14:26<AxxxA>i need some halp
14:26<AxxxA>and im a linux noob
14:26<ml|>dpkg: tell AxxxA about ask
14:26<jiyanmoyu>What's the problem?
14:27<ml|>dpkg: tell AxxxA about grounding
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14:27<abrotman>!tell ml| about piav
14:28<danger_>he he
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14:28<AxxxA>wait while i work shit out
14:28<AxxxA>so on my computer i have two hard drives
14:29<AxxxA>one 320 gb running windows xp
14:29<ml|>abrotman: really don't get what you mean by that
14:29<craigevil>danger_: you might try evince-gtk
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14:30<AxxxA>and another one 80gb running debian kernel 2.6.18-6-686
14:30<danger_>craigevil: well I've just got xpdf open and it looks to be doing okay (looks a bit primitive though :) )
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14:30<AxxxA>with the debian hard drive as master
14:30<AxxxA>and xp hd as slave
14:31<AxxxA>but xp is having driver problems and is kind of hard to access
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14:31<AxxxA>so i can access my xp files from my debian?
14:31<AxxxA>i unpassworded my xp hd
14:31<dr|z3d>AxxxA: Sure. Samba's what you want.
14:31<AxxxA>^ i have no internet
14:32<danger_>ntfs-3g is your friend probably
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14:32<AxxxA>but how do i do it
14:32<abrotman>ml|: he hadn't even asked his question yet
14:32<raymonp_>u need ntfs-3g
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14:32<AxxxA>what is it + how do i get it?
14:32<danger_>allows you to access NTFS (windows XP) formatted drives
14:32<raymonp_>its the component u need to read/write on ntfs partitions.
14:32<danger_>use apt-get ntfs-3g
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14:33<danger_>apt-get install ntfs-3g rather
14:33<ml|>abrotman: i know that, but he said I need some help hence the ask and linux noob hence grounding what's wrong with that?
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14:34<ml|>danger_: try epdfview
14:34<AxxxA>so can you tell me exactly what to type in and where
14:34<AxxxA>please do
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14:35<danger_>apt-get install ntfs-3g
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14:35<hale3rder>does anybody here know the creator of libgmail?
14:35<hale3rder>i think his name is Sebastien Delafond
14:35<hale3rder>i'm trying to figure out how to contact him, but i'm not sure
14:36<dr|z3d>AxxxA: You say you have no internet access? You'll have problems.
14:36<danger_>ntfs-3g comes with the base DVD doesn't it
14:36<danger_>(did on the DVD I had anyhow)
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14:37<cryos>someone can help me?
14:38<AxxxA>it says
14:38<cryos>i m trying to run program
14:38<cryos>as another user
14:38<AxxxA>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
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14:38<cryos>sudo -u user program
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14:39<danger_>AxxxA did the su command ask you for a password? if so did you enter it correctly?
14:39<cryos>but if i try tu run an X-program
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14:40<cryos>il return me: No protocol specified
14:40<cryos>cannot open display:
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14:41<AxxxA>danger i did
14:41<danger_>have you got Synaptic open?
14:41<danger_>if so close it
14:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:42<kins>how could i wake my system from suspended state at a given time...somethinf=g like rtcwake(it doesnt work on my system)
14:42<bja>dr|z3d: 10 yard penaltie unnecesari violence :)
14:43<AxxxA>it wasnt opened
14:43<AxxxA>hang on
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14:43<AxxxA>i'm going to try something
14:43*dr|z3d is unnecessarily violent towards his laggy connection.
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14:44<purvesh>hey any 1 from usa
14:44<bja>dr|z3d: yea i knew the spelling was wrong, crapss
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14:44<AxxxA>couldnt find package ntfs-3g
14:44<dr|z3d>purvesh: This isn't a social channel.
14:45<dr|z3d>It's specifically for Debian support.
14:45<purvesh>then suggest me if any 1 at xchat.. i want to know abt iphone
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14:45<avu>purvesh, this isn't the IRC yellow pages channel either
14:46<purvesh>so which channel i hav to join
14:46<kins>how could i wake my system from suspended state at a given time...somethinf=g like rtcwake(it doesnt work on my system)
14:46<purvesh>pls suggest me
14:46<dr|z3d>!gfi iphone irc
14:46<aatosz>how can i package a java project?
14:46<danger_>AxxxA with no internet connection your going to need to download the ntfs-3g package to your current machine and get it onto your Debian box
14:46<purvesh>its urgent
14:46<dr|z3d>!fgi iphone irc
14:46<AxxxA>danger --- gimme the url
14:46<AxxxA>then i will download the package
14:46<avu>!fgi purvesh iphone irc
14:46<dpkg>purvesh: irc
14:46<avu>!fgi purvesh iphone+irc
14:46<dr|z3d>We got there. :)
14:47<avu>hard work it was though :)
14:47<avu>let's have a beer
14:47<purvesh>dpkg : hey thanx i'll see now
14:47<dpkg>purvesh: i haven't a clue
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14:47<AxxxA>wil it be ok if i stick it on my ipod and then plug that into my debian
14:47<danger_>AxxxA give me a few minutes to find the URL
14:47<AxxxA>i have never tried
14:47<danger_>Dunno AxxxA I dont have an iPhone
14:48<avu>the only way to let an iphone talk to linux is to jailbreak it and install openssh
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14:48<avu>and even then you can't sync much
14:48<dr|z3d>AxxxA: Your ipod should work fine in Debian.
14:48<kins>how could i wake my system from suspended state at a given time...somethinf=g like rtcwake(it doesnt work on my system)
14:48<avu>same goes for the ipod touch of course
14:48<dr|z3d>kins: WakeOnLan. Read about it. :)
14:48<avu>older ipod models work quite well though
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14:49<bja>avu: You can have ipod touch sync with debian?
14:49<avu>bja, with older models, yes
14:49<AxxxA>im using an ipod mini so yeah
14:49<AxxxA>i should be fine
14:49<dr|z3d>bja: :)
14:49<bja>avu: Gen 1
14:49<avu>bja, I don't know when exactly the cutoff is though
14:49<avu>bja, the only one where I'm sure that it does /not/ work is the ipod touch
14:49<AxxxA>danger which bit do i download
14:50<bja>avu: thx, thats exaclty the one i have :(
14:50<AxxxA>i download the 2 .gz bits
14:50<avu>bja, that one you can at least jailbreak to install openssh :)
14:51<AxxxA>but when i click the .dsc one
14:51<AxxxA>it just opens up another page on the site
14:51<bja>avu: I already have openssh
14:51<danger_>AxxxA if your on a standard i386 PC download this
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14:51<avu>bja, ah, well, then you're as far down the line to open access to the device as anyone got so far
14:51<AxxxA>:o that was fast
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14:52<bja>avu: :(
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14:52<avu>bja, yeah, sucks
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14:52<danger_>!beer avu
14:52*dpkg pours a pint of Yuengling Lager for avu
14:52<avu>why thank you, I'm feeling better already
14:53<bja>avu: It was a present, and the soul reason i have an xp partition hanging around
14:53<avu>bja, for me it's the company that sponsors my iphone as we do development for this.. thing.
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14:54<avu>bja, luckily something I'm no longer directly involved in. their SDK and IDE are so very ugly and broken, it makes me cry
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14:54<stuckey>!versions ffmpeg
14:55<stuckey>Wasn't there a bot that would tell you which versions of a package were where?
14:55<avu>judd: versions ffmpeg
14:55<judd>avu: ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8 etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1 lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090420-2 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090420-2 squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20090508-0.1 sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20090604-0.0
14:55<avu>stuckey, can tell you too though
14:55<danger_>judd USE THE GOD DAMN PASTBIN
14:55<judd>danger_: Error: "USE" is not a valid command.
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14:56<dr|z3d>danger_: One line is fine, 2 even.. calm down!
14:56<weasel>judd: USE test
14:56<judd>weasel: Error: "USE" is not a valid command.
14:56-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
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14:56<AxxxA>danger: i put it on my desktop naow
14:56-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*stew@*] by weasel
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14:56<azeem>weasel: what?
14:56-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
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14:57<ml|>why judd is usefull when /msg judd
14:57<danger_>AxxxA okay in a terminal you need to install that .deb file. I think it you do that with dpkg -i *.deb
14:57<azeem>weasel: please revert
14:57<avu>weasel, why would you do that? it's been here for ages.
14:57<AxxxA>how do i safely disconnect my ipd
14:58<kins>wake on lan is for starting a system on lan na? thats not what i waanted
14:58<weasel>when/if don tell me that bot is welcome I might.
14:58<weasel>lacking that, we don't want any bots other than dpkg.
14:58<azeem>weasel: it was discussed in #debian-ops, and it's obviously stew's
14:58<kins>i need to turn on my system automatically at some time specified
14:58<dr|z3d>kins: WakeOnLan will bring a system out of hibernation. Read about it.
14:58<weasel>then it should also obviously be cloaked as bot.
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14:58<weasel>stew can talk to us in #oftc if he wants that.
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14:59<azeem>weasel: I'll let him know, please revert now
14:59<weasel>do it, if you must.
14:59-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
14:59-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*stew@*]] by azeem
14:59<weasel>and it better get a real ircname too.
14:59-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
14:59<AxxxA>and how do i disconnect my ipod safely
14:59<danger_>Whats not working
15:00<AxxxA>dpkg: error processing *.deb (--install):
15:00<dpkg>axxxa: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
15:01<AxxxA>cannot access archive: No such file or directory
15:01<dr|z3d>You might need to invite judd back into the channel, azeem..
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15:01<AxxxA>Errors were encountered while processing:
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15:01<ml|>judd is working fine by /msg judd
15:01<danger_>AxxxA can you see the deb file post do ls | grep 'deb' for me please
15:02<AxxxA>dude i have to go
15:02<ml|>azeem: thanks
15:02<AxxxA>im getting shouted at
15:02<AxxxA>bbl though
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15:02<danger_>Okay np
15:04<pert>Hi. Does anyone know why /etc/rc[06].d/K*ssh do not exist in lenny? They were there in etch.
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15:04<pert>I don't want to create a bug for something so trivial (especially as there's probably a good reason).
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15:10<danger_>apt-get feedme pizza
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15:11<stuckey>So I built ffmpeg from sid and it built like 15 different .deb pacakges... Do I need to install all of these?
15:11<azeem>stuckey: depends on what you're trying to do
15:12<stuckey> <--- many .debs
15:12<stuckey>azeem: Well I needed a newer version of ffmpeg because the one in lenny doesn't support the "-vpre" option.
15:12<azeem>stuckey: then install the newer version of whatever ffmpeg packages you already have installed I guess
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15:14<danger_>stuckey lots of those look like core packages like filter and codec so they probably are really needed
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15:14<stuckey>azeem: how do I tell which ffmpeg packages I have installed right now?
15:15<avu>stuckey, apt-cache policy ffmpeg
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15:16<stuckey> <-- appears to need all
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15:17<marx>selam deniz
15:17<kins> i still dont get a way to use wakeonlan to wake the system itself at a sheduled time..pls help
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15:18<pert>kins: you can't use wake on LAN from the local PC.... it's off
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15:19<kins>thats whati was trying to stae to <dr|z3d>
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15:19<stuckey>Anyone know how I can get this installed? I understand the basic idea but this package seems to have a ton of dependencies
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15:20<kins>how could one start a local pc to start from hibernation at a specified time
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15:20<dr|z3d>kins: You'd need to trigger that from _another_ pc.
15:21<kins>it can be done on local pc thats what rtcwake is supposed to do
15:21<kins>but it doesnt on my system
15:22<stuckey>azeem: Is there any easier way of doing this?
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15:25<Gathond>kins: the hibernated machines bios has to have WakeOnLan enabled
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15:26<Gathond>I think that is all there should be to it, it will just make the bios boot and the rest follows from there
15:27<bja>kins: There is also a wake on lan on the kernel, but i believe is set by default
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15:29<npnux>hi pls help me for avermedia a707 tv card for ubuntu
15:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:30<npnux>hi pls help me for avermedia a707 tv card for ubuntu
15:30<debian_>hi please help me for config wifi atheros acer aspire one
15:31<dr|z3d>npnux: Visit #ubuntu in freenode.
15:31<ml|>npnux: Use #ubuntu ( instead.
15:32<bja>ml|: Is there an option on zsh to load the rc from another file besides .zshrc ?
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15:33<kins>i tried rtc wake with wakeonlan set still doesnt work
15:34<ml|>bja: you can use .zshenv instead of .zshrc
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15:34<bja>ml|: thx
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15:38<ml|>bja: take a look at ...
15:39<bja>ml|: I was reading the man page, no use there, the easy way is mv files around
15:39<kins>u got anyway for auto system startup...while in windows i used to have an application-autosystem startup for this
15:40<ml|>bja: what do you mean by ' the easy way is mv files around'
15:40<stuckey>What do I need to install in order to use SVN?
15:40<stuckey>As in "svn checkout svn:// ffmpeg"
15:40<Gathond>stuckey: subversion
15:40<stuckey>I run that and I get command not found
15:40<stuckey>Gathond: thanks
15:41<bja>ml|: mv .zshrc .zshrc_original && cp zshrc_ml .zshrc
15:42<ml|>ah ok, do you see the difference between them?
15:42<bja>ml|: It'll do the trick he he
15:42<bja>ml|: I'm on that right now
15:42<ml|>ok you should lmk
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15:44<bja>ml|: emacs?
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15:47<ml|>emacs yes, but you can try dindkey -v for vi keybinds style but that did not work here, had issues with home.end,delete keys once i started using bindkey -e everything works fine if you want try binkey -v first and if it does not work use bindkey -e
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15:48<bja>ml|: done that already, just checking the rest of the file
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15:52<ml|>bja: but i don't really use that it's for other keys to work
15:53<bja>ml|: Excuses :)
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15:57<bja>ml|: interesting interface
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15:58<bja>ml|: How did you come to that prompt?
15:58<ml|>bja: you change stuff, just trying different things
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15:59<ml|>no need for user name
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15:59<bja>ml|: very interesting autocompletion
16:00<bja>ml|: Difference between less and most?
16:00<ml|>you can use RPROMPT to display your current workin dir instead of the left side like i have it now
16:00<ml|>bja: open a man page now :)
16:01<bja>ml|: Sorry not installed, thats why i was asking
16:01<ml|>oh install it now!
16:02<ml|>locklace: sup
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16:03<kins>is there an alternative for rtcwake
16:03<bja>ml|: low batt. Yesterday i ran out of it midinstall and got away with it, iḿ not betting with the devil today
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16:03<ml|>heh ok ttyl
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16:08<bja>locklace: thx
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16:16<bja>locklace, ml|: 2% batt gtg cu charger at home
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16:18<penguin42>Hi - is there actually a boot floppy image for lenny? I can't see it
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16:20<penguin42>abrotman: Someone could do with fixing:
16:20<abrotman>if you really want to use floppies .. you'll have to use the etch ones .. then upgrade to lenny
16:21<abrotman>penguin42: should i tell you to file a bug on the website ?
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16:21<penguin42>abrotman: Should a generic grub floppy be able to load the kernel/initrd in the usb dir?
16:21<penguin42>abrotman: Is it in the standard debian bug tracker or separate?
16:22<abrotman>you can do it with reportbug on psuedopackage
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16:22<penguin42>abrotman: OK, will do
16:22*penguin42 is trying to reinstall his firewall - it's an old crusty P90 - within the 64MB/1GB minimum spec but it won't boot from CD
16:23<abrotman>penguin42: yeah .. i'd use the etch floppies
16:24<penguin42>ok, I'll give that a go
16:25*penguin42 is a little worried whether the lenny kernel can actually cope
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16:38<ben>is this a place to troubleshoot ubuntu at all?
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16:38<dondelelcaro>ben: nope
16:38<dondelelcaro>ben: try #ubuntu on
16:38<ben>my question is pretty general though, can i throw it at you?
16:39<ben>i am having trouble with my disk drive, it's not mounting a dvdr, is there a way to force mount it from the command line?
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16:40<dr|z3d>ben: man mountiso perhaps.
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16:40<charzero>Where do I configure which portion of the touchpad acts as a scroll wheel?
16:40<dr|z3d>Also look to handbrake, it might be able to recover some data if the dvd is damaged.
16:40<ben>oh good idea
16:41<ben>it's a bit scratched up, but i figured not so much that it wouldn't mount at all
16:41<Wilduck>so, I just installed the visualboyadvance package using aptitude (as well as visualboyadvance-gtk) and trying to run the command "visualboyadvance" from the terminal does nothing, additionally I can't find it in my menus. Where did this program go, and how do I run it?
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16:46<gsimmons>Wilduck: vba and gvba. 'VisualBoyAdvance' should be under Applications/Emulators.
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16:46<Wilduck>ho ho!
16:46<Wilduck>thank you
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16:47<raymonp_>guys.. the file explorer is annoying.. when I click a folder, another window opens.. whats the easiest way to get a better file explorer in lenny?
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16:47<charzero>raymonp_: System -> Preferences -> File Management -> Behavior -> Always open in browser windows
16:47<raymonp_>perfect, thanks :)
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16:58<charzero> /quit
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17:33<debuz>Hi. I'm having some trouble getting postfix to allow me to relay sasl authenticated users. Could anyone give me a hand on that?
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17:54<MyWifeIs19>how come " (xterm -e amarok) &" does not work???
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17:55<locklace>!doesn't work
17:55<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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17:56<MyWifeIs19>well... it flashes amarok then quits immediately....
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17:57<Wilduck>hey, is anyone else having trouble connecting to sourceforge?
17:58<Wilduck>it's down for everyone though =(
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18:03<Wilduck>also, does anyone know if there's a package for qjoypad?
18:03<Wilduck>I can't find anything with aptitude...
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18:05<MyWifeIs19>I have multiple terminal windows open, but $HOME/.bash_history does not record all the stuff I do. How can I make that happen?
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18:06<ml|>locklace: what that command to use in zsh instead of find?
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18:08<locklace>the zsh glob system is a superset of find
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18:10<chealer>MyWifeIs19: did you ask #bash?
18:11<ml|>locklace: ok thanks
18:12<locklace>ml|: it's fully documented in the zshexpn man page under FILENAME EXPANSION, but you can see some examples in the zsh-lovers man page (look for it on the web)
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18:14<ml|>yeah zsh-lovers page is good will look into both thanks
18:14<ml|>locklace: ^
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18:18<dimbix>hy linux freax
18:19<dimbix>not much happening here
18:20<dimbix>how about a tux party in munich
18:20<dimbix>wake up you
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18:21<dimbix>> resume now
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18:22<dimbix>startx or die
18:22<weasel>Wilduck: iirc bash writes its history on exit
18:23<Wilduck>that was Mywifeis19's question
18:23<Wilduck>I was asking about qjoypad
18:23<weasel>true, sorry.
18:23<weasel>MyWifeIs19: ^
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18:24<MyWifeIs19>I found the answer it's "shopt -s histappend"
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18:31<Xnet>Gotta curious question... is anyone using jre for the Sparc version of Debian?
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18:34<Xnet>better yet does anyone know of a Binary source for Sparc to use sun-java5-jre for Debian?
18:34<Arcalyth>Hi #debian, I'm having issues with my fglrx driver... It doesn't work with the 2.6.26, 2.6.28, or 2.6.29 kernels. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong and googling says lots of people have issues with fglrx but I'm not sure what exactly to look for.
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18:35<Xnet>what video card?>
18:35<Xnet>scratch that
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18:35<Xnet>fglrx you say?
18:36<Xnet>lemme check
18:36<Arcalyth>Radeon HD 3650
18:36<Xnet>ah ok
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18:37<Arcalyth>I got far enough that I finally got the module to load.. but I'm not sure if it's actually loading at boot despite it being in /etc/modules
18:37<Arcalyth>when X loads, I get a blank screen
18:37<Xnet>i take it you have already done this
18:37<Xnet>cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod
18:37<Xnet>chmod +x
18:37<Xnet>cd ..
18:37<Arcalyth>I can't ctrl+alt+backspace or switch vty, I have to power off my computer
18:37<Xnet>rmmod radeon
18:37<Xnet>chmod +x
18:37<Xnet>dpkg-divert --package fglrx --add /usr/X11R6/lib/
18:38<Arcalyth>uhh.. no
18:38<Xnet>id try that to compile from binary
18:38<Xnet>normally 9 times out of 10 when it comes to drivers i compile from source binaries
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18:39<Xnet>here is another workaround thats used for mepis
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18:40<Arcalyth>hang on I want to see if that compile from source worked
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18:41<Xnet>anyone here ever try to use the sun-java5-jre for Sparc?
18:42<Xnet>or know of any binaries i can compile from?
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18:43<Wilduck>So, I'm getting an error ' /usr/lib/qt/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf needed by "Makefile" '
18:44<Wilduck>what does this mean?
18:44<Xnet>lemme check for you
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18:45<Arcalyth>Xnet it didn't work :<
18:45<Xnet>what kernel?
18:45<Arcalyth>It might be worth mentioning that I still don't get any kind of GL ability using the radeon driver
18:46<Arcalyth>[arcalyth@lambda]$ glxinfo
18:46<Arcalyth>name of display: :0.0
18:46<Arcalyth>X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
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18:46<Xnet>wait did you include the driver in the kernel config?
18:46<Arcalyth>the radeon driver?
18:46<Xnet>well just the base driver you compliled
18:47<Arcalyth>I basically took the config from debian's 2.6.29 and compiled it with 2.6.28
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18:47<Arcalyth>because I didn't feel like spending 3 hours to compile a kernel..
18:47<Arcalyth>but even on the 2.6.29 I had the same issue
18:47<Xnet>what i normally do is look for the precompiled kernel for ATI drivers
18:47<Xnet>sounds like it may be a known issue
18:47<Arcalyth>well it doesn't make any sense to me that I can't even use the open source radeon driver
18:47<Arcalyth>using debian's prepackaged kernels
18:48<Arcalyth>I get the glx error on everything
18:48<Arcalyth>screensavers, glxinfo, glxgears, games, etc..
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18:48<Xnet>sounds like whatever open source drivers are available they are conflicting with the type of card and/or kernel you are running
18:48<Arcalyth>was working fine a few months ago
18:48<Xnet>i had a similar issue with OpenSuSe
18:49<Arcalyth>then I reformatted and everything just stopped working after reinstalling
18:49<Xnet>what changed?
18:49<Arcalyth>(I reformatted to alter my partition table)
18:49<Xnet>wait did you compile it from binary before?
18:49<Xnet>from the source packages >?
18:49<Arcalyth>yeah I always used the ati installer from their website, and debian's kernels
18:49<Xnet>did you do anything different this time?
18:50<Xnet>any missed or skipped step can make or break video drivers
18:50<Arcalyth>hand-rolled a 2.6.28. but I hand-rolled a 2.6.28 back then too.. although I actually took the time to configure that one (and it worked much worse than debian's)
18:51<Xnet>so you were using the 2.6.28 kernel last time right?
18:51<Arcalyth>not sure which version of catalyst though, so I tried a few, none of them worked
18:51<Arcalyth>right now I'm using... 9.1 I think?
18:51<Arcalyth>most recent is 9.3 I believe
18:52<Arcalyth>9.1 is from march.. that's a month after I got this computer
18:52<Xnet>did you backup any of the old catalyst drivers you had before
18:52<Xnet>what about 9.0?
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18:52<Arcalyth>I can try it
18:52<Xnet>i normally go with the best working driver before going with new ones
18:52<Xnet>there ya go
18:52<Xnet>i wish my issue were as simple
18:53<Arcalyth>Well no guarantees this will work, haha
18:53<Xnet>maybe you can answer this
18:53<Xnet>im using a Sparc server with Debian 5.. i cannot for the life of my find debs or binaries for sparc for sun-java5-bin or jre
18:53<Xnet>any ideas?
18:55<Arcalyth>Solaris SPARC though =/
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18:55<Arcalyth>you just said debian
18:55<Arcalyth>and this is #debian.. wow I feel stupid.
18:55<Xnet>lol no worries
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18:55<Xnet>yeah ppl look at me strange when i tell them im running debian on a sparc server
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18:56<Xnet>but it works sooooo well
18:56<Xnet>especially for a 4U
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18:56<Arcalyth>yeah I have no idea.. if it's not on google then I don't know, cause I'm still a newbie :P
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18:57<Xnet>i hear you thee
18:57<Xnet>there rather
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18:57<Xnet>yeah im on the verge of ditching the idea of installing Openfire and just using IRC
18:58<sney>Xnet: the java JRE for sparc is called blackdown, iirc
18:58<Xnet>i know.. apparently its gone
18:58<sney>I used to run linux on a U60
18:58<sney>oh? daang
18:59<Xnet>i tried downloading it
18:59<Xnet>and its gone
18:59<Xnet>i was very dissappointed
18:59<sney>the #gentoo-sparc guys on freenode would probably know, they won't turn their noses up just because you're not using gentoo
18:59<Xnet>i might try them
18:59<sney>they are a knowledgeable bunch
19:00<Xnet>what is it
19:00<Xnet>yeah i will have to check that out
19:00<Xnet>lol this is what i get for using Debian on a 4U 420R Sun Server
19:00<Arcalyth>ok let's try this again >_>
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19:01<Xnet>but i love how the server runs
19:01<Xnet>i just didnt feel like using Solaris.. although it would probably be more recommended
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19:02<sney>I did find that gentoo ran significantly better than debian on my UltraSparc hardware, for the most part. Probably due to the fact that debian uses a 32-bit kernel so their sparc distribution works on the older sparc32 hardware as well.
19:02<sney>Solaris is mostly terrible, though apparently the recent OpenSolaris stuff is pretty good
19:03<Xnet>well when configured Solaris is so solid
19:03<sney>compiling everything isn't a big deal if you have 4-way SMP, after all :)
19:03<Xnet>yeah having quad Sparc II's makes compiling so much faster
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19:04<Xnet>lol beleive it or not i got the server as a clean pull for 260
19:04<Xnet>its worth about 1500
19:04<Xnet>yeah i noticed doing package installs was rediculously fast
19:05<Xnet>beats using the 1ghz AMD boz
19:05<Xnet>box rather
19:05<Xnet>whats silly is the only reason i want java on the machine at this point is to run an Openfire server
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19:06<Xnet>but im questioning those motives and considering just using IRC for linux
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19:08<Arcalyth>Xnet it didn't work still ,but I think progress was made
19:08<Arcalyth>now I get some colorful lines at the top of my screen and I can ctrl+alt+backspace to dump me to a blank screen...
19:08<Xnet>how so?
19:08<Arcalyth>but I still can't switch to a vty
19:09<Xnet>what did you change?
19:09<Arcalyth>catalyst 9.1 instead of 9.3 or 9.5
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19:19<grummund>Hi, my Iceweasel won't play flash movies anymore, although it used to work... any ideas what could be wrong pls?
19:19<grummund>I'm running etch, and I tried installing flashplugin-nonfree from etch-backports but that didn't help. -
19:19<grummund>it *used* to work, even without backports.
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19:25<Wilduck>ok, how do I find where qt is installed/located?
19:25<Wilduck>I'm looking everywhere
19:26<Wilduck>and I have a bunch of directories called qt3 and qt4
19:26<Wilduck>none of them have anything in them except empty plugins folders
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19:26<Wilduck>I'm looking to set a QMAKESPEC variable
19:26<Wilduck>and I'm getting completely lost
19:26<Wilduck>any help would be appreciated
19:27<adb>dpkg -l qt*
19:27<dpkg>ii qt* 1.7-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
19:28<locklace>Wilduck: dpkg -l '*qt*' | grep '^ii'
19:28<locklace>Wilduck: then run dpkg -L on any of the packages to see what and where its files are
19:28<adb> dpkg -L "your qt"
19:28<dpkg>ii "your qt" 1.6-5.1 adb's private porn collection
19:29<Wilduck>it says No packages found matching [...]
19:29<Wilduck>and then replace [...] with a bunch of libraries
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19:29<cheal>grummund: which Flash player do you use?
19:30<locklace>Wilduck: did you copy and paste the exact line above?
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19:30<Wilduck>no, I just typed it in
19:30<Wilduck>without the ' ' s
19:30<locklace>that's your problem
19:31<grummund>cheal: how do i find that out? it's whatever Iceweasel uses to play BBC News 24.
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19:32<Wilduck>thanks guys
19:32<Wilduck>I guess that's helpful?
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19:33<cheal>grummund: normally, you use the Flash player you installed...Iceweasel uses your Flash player to play BBC News 24, I suppose. about:plugins shows you a list of plugins.
19:38<grummund>cheal: thanks. i am of course assuming that News 24 uses Flash, but in that case about:plugins says File name:, Shockwave Flash 9.0 r159
19:39<cheal>grummund: so you're using "Shockwave Flash" (Adobe Flash Player). if you don't mind, is there a reason you don't upgrade to lenny?
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19:41<grummund>chealer: yes, the kernel driver for my sound card was dropped in lenny
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19:42<grummund>chealer: i spent many hours trying to fix that through various means, and finally submitted.
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19:43<grummund>hmm, about:plugins also syas: File name:, Shockwave Flash 4.0 animation viewer handled by swfdec-0.3.6. Plays SWF animations, commonly known as Macromedia Flash
19:44<grummund>This is alpha software. It will probably behave in many situations, but may also ride your motorcycle, drink all your milk, use your computer to browse porn, or launch kittens from a cannon. Comments, feature requests, and patches are welcome.
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19:46<grummund>if there's another way other than ""Shockwave Flash" (Adobe Flash Player)" I'm happy to hear it...
19:47<adb>ask #flash
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19:47<chealer>grummund: aha. sorry then. check whether swfdec was installed recently (since it used to work)
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19:49<ajavid>uhm maybe im an idiot, but there are two diff flashes?
19:50<ajavid>i thought there was just a close source flash player from adobe, and then some few free ones
19:50<dpkg>i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
19:50<ajavid>what is a shockwave flash? and what is a non shockwave flash
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19:51<ajavid>why is a shockwave?
19:51<locklace>!confuse ajavid
19:51<dpkg>Yes, where are your snake today, ajavid? Breeches of the Republic of Tahiti with extra crabpaste.
19:51<chealer>!shockwave flash
19:51<dpkg>Macromedia Shockwave Player is non-free software not available for GNU/Linux. For "Shockwave Flash" (Flash), ask me about flash
19:51<ajavid>so its the same thing, but its called diff thigns
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19:52<ajavid>i dont get
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19:54<adb>ajavid: shocked ?
19:54*Hideo waves
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19:54<grummund>chealer: dpkg -l swfdec "No packages found matching swfdec.", should i install it?
19:55<ajavid>no I look on google
19:55<ajavid>Flash Player delivers fast loading front-end web applications, high-impact web site user interaction, interactive online advertising, and short to medium form animation.
19:55<ajavid>Shockwave Player displays destination web content such as interactive multimedia product demos and training, e-merchandising applications, and rich-media multi-user games
19:55<ajavid>two diff things
19:55<ajavid>now the factoir makes sense about it so shockwave is not linux but flash is linux
19:56<ajavid>i mean in* linux
19:56<chealer>grummund: no. what about *swfdec* ?
19:57<grummund>ii libswfdec0.3 0.3.6-2.2 SWF (Macromedia Flash) decoder library
19:57<chealer>dpkg: shockwave =~ s/Macromedia/Adobe/
19:57<dpkg>OK, chealer
19:57<chealer>grummund: check when that was installed
19:58<grummund>hmmm, so can you gimme a clue how to check that pls? ;-p
19:59<chealer>dpkg: shockwave flash is a confusing term for Adobe Flash
19:59<dpkg>okay, chealer
19:59<chealer>grummund: dpkg's log
19:59*chealer will bbl
20:00<grummund>-rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 2009-06-05 23:46 /var/log/dpkg.log ;-(
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20:01<grummund>no wait...
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20:02<grummund>/var/log/dpkg.log.8.gz:2008-10-13 22:26:18 install libswfdec0.3 <none> 0.3.6-2.2
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20:24<Bunnyh>Any idea why mrtg doesn't run as any other user as root anymore? It gives the following error: "Insecure dependency in kill while running with -T switch at /usr/share/perl5/ line 1180, <READPID> line 1." . My mrtg package version is 2.16.2-3, and the command I'm trying to use is "mrtg --daemon --user mrtg --group mrtg"
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20:26<Bunnyh>If I drop the --user and --group options, it runs fine. The user and group mrtg exist, and I could run it like that before
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20:29<dazjorz>by the way - what's Debian's motive to fork off into iceweasel and icedove; what's the advantage of that much of maintainance work?
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20:34<upsy>!tell dazjorz about why iceweasel
20:35<dazjorz>upsy: ah, thanks :)
20:36<Bunnyh>Heh, my mrtg problem was that the process wasn't able to remove a stale pidfile. Pretty confusing way to complain about that...
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20:40<Xgamerz>when i try to install mysql "apt-get install mysql-server" i have this msg E: Couldn't find package mysql-server
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20:41<dazjorz>Xgamerz: try running apt-get update
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20:42<dazjorz>Xgamerz: if that doesn't fix your problem, please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
20:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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20:48<edbian>I am looking for a linux distro that has insane fast boot times and runs in RAM (for insanely fast computing) preferably debian based Any suggestions?
20:49<Xgamerz>dazjorz this is my sources list
20:49<adb>edbian: debirf
20:50<dazjorz>edbian: insane fast boot times *and* running in ram?
20:50<dazjorz>edbian: what will transfer the base system to ram and still be insanely fast?
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20:50<edbian>dazjorz: Am I living in a fantasy world here
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20:51<dazjorz>Xgamerz: ah - your apt is configured to only your installation CD
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20:51<dazjorz>edbian: sounds like it - running from RAM requires at least something installed in RAM, and since it won't stay there, something needs to copy it there at boot, making the boot time slower
20:51<dazjorz>edbian: but you may reach quite high speeds using SSD's
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20:53<dazjorz>Xgamerz: check, for example, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list for one that installs packages from the network
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20:53<dazjorz>Xgamerz: after updating sources.list, re-run apt-get update - you will probably have to upgrade some packages by apt-get dist-upgrade
20:53<dazjorz>Xgamerz: then you can apt-get install mysql-server :)
20:54<edbian>dazjorz: Can you suggest two different distros? 1 that runs from ram and is debian based and another that boots fast based on debian?
20:54<edbian>I am trying to look at debirf linux but having trouble finding it
20:54<dazjorz>edbian: I heard people got Fedora to boot in three seconds on an EEEPC; maybe you will want to look into Ubuntu Netbook Remix for something debian-based
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20:55<Xgamerz>dazjorz my cd is mounted but i cant install
20:56<dazjorz>edbian: I don't think there's a distro that runs from ram from boot; you will need to write boot scripts to mount a tmpfs, unpack a basic system on there, then pivot_root onto it
20:56<dazjorz>Xgamerz: the package doesn't seem to exist on your cd
20:57<dazjorz>Xgamerz: if you really need to install off the cd, try apt-cache search mysql-server, see if anything pops up
20:57<dazjorz>Xgamerz: if it doesn't, do as I said above to install it from the Debian archive instead of your CD
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20:58<edbian>dazjorz: What do you mean runs from ram from boot? I am just looking for anything that runs from ram (regardless of boot times) and is debian based
20:58<Xgamerz>ok dazjorz thks will try :)
20:59<dazjorz>edbian: the thing is, if you want to run from your ram, you need all files in ram, right, or it won't run from ram
20:59<dazjorz>edbian: ram will reset at reboot, so stuff needs to be copied there every time
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20:59<dazjorz>edbian: and you typically want to switch very early in the boot process, thus you will have to write your own scripts to copy stuff over and then pivot_root over to ram
21:00<edbian>dazjorz: What about puppy linux? Doesn't that run entirely from ram? Or DSL (Damn Small)? Are either of those debian based?
21:01<dazjorz>edbian: DSL is debian based I think - but it doesn't run from ram, it's just very small
21:01<dazjorz>edbian: but, look into SSD's - they are typically very very fast too, just like ram, but they have the added advantage that when you reboot, your data is still there
21:02<edbian>dazjorz: Thanks!
21:02<dazjorz>np :)
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21:17<dazjorz>adb: no, a kind of storage device
21:17<dazjorz>upsy: if you're still there - Ubuntu ships both Iceweasel and Firefox
21:17<adb>we may install debian on than ?
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21:18<dazjorz>upsy: they change Firefox, for example, with Ubufox; to make for example installation of the flashplugin easier
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21:18<dazjorz>upsy: so they explicitly asked Mozilla if that was OK, then? Otherwise they wouldn't be allowed, right?
21:18<dazjorz>adb: are you trolling me?
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21:20<dazjorz>adb: yes, you can install debian on them, they act just like a regular hard drive
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21:25<upsy>dazjorz: I don't know, but they probably just use the original logo
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21:25<dazjorz>upsy: what was different about the debian one?
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21:25<upsy>dazjorz: and it looks like ubuntu has abrowser, not iceweasel
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21:26<upsy>I don't know, since I didn't use debian at that time
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21:26<dazjorz>you're right
21:27<dazjorz>I thought it had iceweasel earlier, maybe I mis-looked
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21:37<Xnet>ok i feel much better
21:37<Xnet>finally got an IRC server going
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22:13<Gingerbread-Man>hey can anyone here explain to me why the sound server stoped working after reboot and how i can get it going again?
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22:14<Gingerbread-Man>tryed restarting artsd and it made no difference
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22:19<adb>Gingerbread-Man: lenny ?
22:20<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also
22:20<Gingerbread-Man>problem only started after i cleaned the hd with the mbr on it ( prepareing to move debian onto that because this hd is getting old)
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22:21<adb>reinstall alsa-utils
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22:22<Gingerbread-Man>reinstalled and restarted alsa-utils still no change
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22:23<adb>run alsaconf
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22:23<adb>(my last resort )
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22:24<Gingerbread-Man>hmm still no change ... oh well ill sort it out later thx for ur help :-)
22:25<chealer>!tell Gingerbread-Man about doesn't work
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22:47<grimpirate>I had a question about the isos available for torrent
22:47<grimpirate>What exactly is the kde-CD-1
22:47<Gingerbread-Man>hello again :-) i mannaged to get sound working ... for some unknown reason debian decided to spontaniously remove me from the audio group ... does anyone know what may have caused this?
22:48<grimpirate>and -xfce+lxde-CD-1
22:48<Xenguy_>sound sux :-)
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22:50<Xenguy>remember when these debian channels used to really cycle ?
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22:51<chealer>grimpirate: the KDE CD is a better choice than the default CD 1 for KDE users who want to install from 1 CD. the other one is similar for Xfce or LXDE users (the CD fits 2 DEs since they're smaller)
22:51<Intel>I am running Lenny under Vmware workstation. I can surf the net so i have net access but everytime I try to run an eggdrop it fails. Under other distros it works so is there something new in lenny that I need to change...
22:52<grimpirate>@chealer: but those are also net installs then?
22:52<grimpirate>or they simply replace the first ISO on the list?
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22:53<chealer>Gingerbread-Man: that would be unusual. what was the modification date?
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22:53<Gingerbread-Man>chealer about 3 hours ago :-)
22:54<chealer>grimpirate: the "net install" refers to a specific iso which is unlikely to be used without net access. but all medias can use the net, and most do.
22:54<chealer>Gingerbread-Man: was there system maintenance at that time?
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22:55<chealer>Gingerbread-Man: (the modification date on /etc/group, that was)
22:55<Gingerbread-Man>chealer as far as i know no ... all i have done today was format the hardrive witch had the mbr on it to move debian to that hd later on tonight
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22:56<chealer>Gingerbread-Man: does /etc/group look otherwise corrupted?
22:57<Supaplex|work>Gingerbread-Man: backups of a few common files like that are in /var/backups/
22:57<grimpirate>thx chealer
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22:58<Gingerbread-Man>no it looks to be in tact ... its nearly the same as the backup (excepting for user not being in a few of the groups it use to be in)
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22:58<chealer>Gingerbread-Man: could you show the diff?
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23:00<amitz>I have a PC that connect to a wifi router and a lan router. Both has DHCPD running. Can I make such that default gateway won't be re-set when/if my PC DHCP query the wireless router? How should I approach this problem? At least what keywords to google? Debian lenny.
23:01<chealer>Gingerbread-Man: run $ diff /etc/group /var/backups/group.bak
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23:04<Supaplex|work>I'm drawing a blank. what controls the default permissions on new files? some kind of mask...
23:05<Supaplex|work>oh yeah, umask
23:05<Xenguy>Supaplex|work: yes, .skel or something?
23:06<chealer>Gingerbread-Man: something restrained bishop's group membership. note the modification time and compare with logs if that was to occur again
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23:08<rizki>halo aku mau kenalan
23:08<Supaplex|work>actually, needed fmask/dmask for mount -t vmhgfs. I recall using umask with and without symbolics to help me find the right mask value faster. then I can ditch that shell. cheap hack but it works. :)
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23:09<Gingerbread-Man>right thx for ur help guys im off (work to do :-( )
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23:14<Arcalyth>Hi, #debian. I'm having an issue with my fglrx driver... on boot, I get a black screen with some lines on the top. I don't get ANY GLX functionality, even with the open-source radeon driver. I've tried on kernel 2.6.29 and 2.6.28m, with various versions of the catalyst driver. I don't know what to do anymore, and not having GLX at all is quite crippling...
23:15<Arcalyth>If someone could at LEAST help me get software rendering working that'd be great...
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23:18<amitz>Arcalyth: if all else fail, try #radeon #fglrx or #xorg.
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23:18<Arcalyth> ok thank you
23:18<Arcalyth>errr... on freenode, I'm guessing?
23:20<adb> #ati on
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23:43<amitz>oh, sorry. yeah, at least in freenode.
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