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00:33<wndofw>is there a way to launch xscreensaver from the console?
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00:34<sney>wndofw: you mean activate the screen saver? yep, xscreensaver-command
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00:35<sney>I was going to say more, but oh well
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00:36<wndofw>sney: do you think that could work as a screen lock? i've heard reports of xlock crashing after a while. crashing to desktop and an unlocked machine
00:36<sney>xlock I"
00:37<sney>xlock I'm not familiar with. the command I've always used is xscreensaver-command -lock &
00:37<sney>and I never saw it crash even once
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01:06<edbian>I am trying to increase my boot times and I realized I am running exim4 (an email server). This computer is not a mail server. It aptitude wants very badly to replace it with another mail server when I try to remove or purge it. Why?? Do I HAVE to have a mail server?
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01:08<Xenguy>edbian: it's good to be able to receive log reports, etc.
01:09<Xenguy>from you own system
01:09<edbian>Xenguy: IC I have seen those before
01:09<edbian>like users trying to sudo that aren't allowed to etc etc
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01:10<edbian>Next issue. acct is a service that "reports and summarizes data about use connect times and process execution statistics" Is this necessary if I have no interest in such logs?
01:11<Xenguy>edbian: I would uninstall it unless you really need that info
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01:38<n3cro>is it possible to forward all ports to a single port?
01:38<n3cro>example smtp, http, https to port 3128?
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01:50<stianiquniez>hello everybody, is it a way to remove all files that don't come with a clean install of debian ?
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01:51<stianiquniez>or, could someone tell me howto complete remove apache, mysqld and php? that is not installed by dpkg.. The files are in /urs/sbin
01:52<sney>did you build them from source packages
01:52<xemacs4321>stianiquniez, reinstall is best !
01:52<stianiquniez>This is a server, so I don't have accses to the server, I think the host build them from source.. It look like that..
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01:53<cahoot>how do you expect to be able to remove anything without access?
01:53<sney>I think he means physical access
01:53<stianiquniez>I have ssh access..
01:54<sney>like it's in a dc somewhere
01:54<stianiquniez>correct sney :)
01:55<stianiquniez>I have never removed any programs build from source, I allways use the package system..
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02:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
02:00<cristian>alguien me puede brindar ayuda
02:01<xemacs4321>stianiquniez, if you want to make from source at least use debforter
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02:02<stianiquniez>don't want to make it from source, Want to remove the one who is there.. Or remove everything that is not included in a install of debian
02:03<xemacs4321>dpkg keep file list of installed packages in /var/idont-rember
02:03<dpkg>xemacs4321: are you smoking crack?
02:04<fsateler>there is a tool called cruft that lists all files that are in the system but dpkg knows nothing about
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02:05<fsateler>and the files dpkg says should be there but aren't
02:05<ml|>dpkg: cruft
02:05<dpkg>cruft is, like, a program to look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run.
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02:05<ml|>fsateler: nice :)
02:06<stianiquniez>don't you need GUI to run it ?
02:06<fsateler>its a command line tool
02:07<fsateler>last time I used it seemed unmaintained... apparently that has changed
02:09<ml|>aww judd is not around
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02:10<ml|>looks like it active
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02:16<wndofw>aptitude search audacity
02:16<wndofw><wndofw> ERROR: object '/usr/lib/' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
02:16<wndofw><wndofw> i audacity - A fast, cross-platform audio editor
02:17<wndofw>what is this? ^^ just installed tsocks and this error started moments later. uninstalling did not help/
02:19<ml|>don't know what that is, but did you purge that or remove, if you removed it try purging the config files
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02:20<wndofw>yeah. i tried to edit the tsocks.conf
02:20<wndofw>that's it
02:20<wndofw>dunno how that effected my whole setup though
02:21<ml|>purge the config that might help
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02:22<wndofw>aptitude update
02:22<wndofw>ERROR: object '/usr/lib/' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.
02:22<wndofw>and so on
02:23<wndofw>7 times befor update was complete
02:23<wndofw>haha. i even get that when i run 'ls'
02:23<ml|>might need to reboot
02:23<wndofw>that's a bit much
02:24<wndofw>i'll find out in the morning
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02:35<deepsa>hi, what's the keyserver for debian? i would like to import the new key
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02:41<ml|>deepsa: you install it thru aptitude
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02:42<TongueOfColicab>hi and good nights, someone has installed Vmware on lenny? im trying to do it but i get always a new errors
02:43<TongueOfColicab>and just now i cant pass this one "Unable to build the vmmon module"
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02:44<ml|>dpkg tell TongueOfColicab about vmware support
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02:45<ml|>TongueOfColicab: if you want try kvm
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02:51<Supaplex>TongueOfColicab: module assistant has these modules. it will build a debian package of them so they can be removed later if need be.
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02:57<TongueOfColicab>trying to use internet help without success
02:57<dpkg>it has been said that module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare". See usage examples at
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03:03<TongueOfColicab>ive installed moduel-assistant without success
03:04<Supaplex>!don't work
03:04<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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03:05<songer>help pleas
03:05<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
03:05<songer> I can't load firmware for my usb wireless
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03:06<gsimmons>songer_: What wireless device do you have? Which version of Debian are you using?
03:06<songer_>tthe new one
03:07<songer_>Debian 5.0.1 i386 Bin-1
03:09<songer_>this is my usb wireless
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03:12<Supaplex>is it on the hcl? /msg dpkg hcl
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03:12<gsimmons>songer_: What is the vendor/product ID of this device? (lsusb)
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03:13<songer_>Bus 004 Device 002: ID 148f:2870 Ralink Technology, Corp.
03:13<songer_>Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
03:13<songer_>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
03:13<songer_>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
03:13<songer_>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0930:6544 Toshiba Corp.
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03:16<Supaplex>heh. poor sap doesn't know how to rejoin.
03:16<ml|>maybe he thinks he can't
03:17<EmleyMoor>#IRChelp experience - /msg saying "Unban me" - my response "You're not banned."
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03:18<gsimmons>!tell songer -about paste
03:18<gsimmons>songer: Your device is supported by the rt2870sta driver, available for Lenny via a backported 2.6.29 kernel image.
03:18<ml|>songer: readmsg from dpkg
03:20<songer>excuseme ml|
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03:21*EmleyMoor might have fun with backporting a kernel when he gets his new laptop...
03:21<songer>how can I get backported 2,6,29kernel image
03:21<gsimmons>!tell songer -about
03:21<EmleyMoor>... or at least grabbing a backport
03:21<songer> But I don't now how to do that
03:22<ml|>songer: read msg from dpkg
03:22<EmleyMoor>dpkg should just have told you
03:22<dpkg>EmleyMoor: no idea
03:23<gsimmons>songer: You would probably want to install linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 package, once your sources are appropriately configured. The driver itself has the device firmware compiled within. Restart your system to use the new kernel.
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03:25<songer>ok I read it
03:26<songer>linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 package whre can I take it?
03:27<songer> can you telme step by step how I need to do that?
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03:30<gsimmons>songer: It's a package provided by the repository. Substitute its name for "package" in the instructions.
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03:31<ml|>songer: and read msg from dpkg about backports,org
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03:32<ml|>you need to do steps before you can install a package from backport
03:32<songer>I can't see msg from dpkg
03:32<Supaplex>and if all else fails, [bang head here]
03:33<Supaplex>type /query dpkg
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03:33<ml|>songer: in your irc client window or tab named dpkg
03:33<songer>ok now I'm in ubuntu debian it can't detect mi usb wireless
03:34<ml|>dpkg: tell songer about ubuntu
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03:35<songer>I'm sorry i can't understand
03:35<ml|>songer: native language?
03:36<songer>how to do that
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03:36*ml| throws hands in the air
03:37<Supaplex>judging by the #debian-es channel, I think Spanish is songers' native language. :)
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03:42<fsateler>is there some special magic to get bluez 4.x to connect to bt mice?
03:42<fsateler>I read some stuff about hid2hci, but I couldn't figure it out (hid2hci just makes hci0 dissappear)
03:43<Supaplex>yes, smoke. you didn't lose any magic smoke yet, right?
03:43<fsateler>apparently I'm all out of it :(
03:44<fsateler>alternatively, where can I find more verbose output than hcitools "input/output error"
03:44<fsateler>so I can properly diagnose the problem
03:45<Supaplex>if the magic smoke escapes, you have to buy a new one.
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03:47<fsateler>but debian is supposed to be free!
03:48<petern>that's the problem, you've let it loose
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03:50<fsateler>then freedom is bad for the user...
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03:55<fsateler>anyways, any place I can look for more verbose bluetooth logs?
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03:56<Gathond>fsateler: indeed, freedom breeds flexibility which breeds complexity which is arguably bad for most users
03:57<Gathond>fsateler: dmesg perhaps
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03:57<fsateler>Gathond: didn't have any bt output
03:57<Supaplex>no freedom for you. only wheat gruel and water.
03:57<fsateler>perhaps there is some parameter
03:57<fsateler>I'll look for that
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03:59*ml| serving debian humble pie for all :)
03:59<brunner>is it possible to mount an ext3 partition as ext2, or disable journaling some other way?
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03:59<fsateler>brunner: yes, you can mount ext3 as ext2
04:00<immolo>H, Does anyone know if any recent updates to gnome have stop video thumbnails from working?
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04:02<Yesu>what is the package for the dos web browser?
04:02<ml|>dos web browser?
04:03<Yesu>to search the web in dos mode i suppose
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04:03<ml|>dos you mean cli
04:04<Yesu>i guess
04:04<Yesu>i thought it was irrs
04:04<Yesu>bbut apparently its not
04:04<Supaplex>what if he's in dosemu? ;)
04:04<ml|>Yesu: terminal web browser?
04:05<Yesu>ahh yes
04:05<Yesu>thank you kind sir
04:05<ml|>there is another one
04:06<ml|>elinks is better i believe
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04:06<Supaplex>!start a user agent war
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04:07<ml|>!start a shell war
04:07<dpkg>tcsh is better than rc
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04:22<simonrvn>links, links2, elinks, lynx (the original ;), w3m
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04:23<Supaplex>real men use netcat
04:25<zeroXten>i have yet to try browsing with scapy
04:25<zeroXten>or some other packet crafter
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04:27<wthigo>used perl but will check the hints
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04:29<Supaplex>I once brought down a cluster of webservers using java+asp with a rather ordinary series of requests via perl and WWW::Mechanize
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04:31<Supaplex>oh, and mssql for their database. just about every box was pegged on ram and thrashing in swap. :P
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04:32<Supaplex>they're weren't very happy, even when I said I was only using a pentium3 1ghz with 512mb of ram to "browse" their site. >:D
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04:33<xArv3nx>anyone have any ideas how i can get my dell inspiron 531 working with debian 5.0?
04:33<xArv3nx>it wont find the cdrom drive.
04:34<xArv3nx>it appears my hardware is supported in debian, it's just not working for me.
04:34<Supaplex>elaborate. /msg dpkg don't work
04:35<xArv3nx>in the debian installer, it boots from the cd fine but when it tries to find it in the installation step, it doesn't.
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04:35<xArv3nx>it asks me to load drivers from somewhere else.
04:35<xArv3nx>and no, there is no cd device in /dev
04:35<ml|>xArv3nx: i'm on a inspiron 531 works great here
04:36<Supaplex>humm. does the mini.iso (dig in netboot images) work any better?
04:36<xArv3nx>i think ive tried both the netinstall images, neither works.
04:36<xArv3nx>ml| good for you. :)
04:36<xArv3nx>im not sure why it doesn't work at all here.
04:36<wthigo>is there a centreon package for debian
04:36<Supaplex>read carefully, "netboot" !== "netinst"
04:36<guybrush->hello everyone I have a doubt about how to remove 2 physical volumes from a VG can any one give me a hand?
04:36<ml|>xArv3nx: just saying might hardware related
04:36<xArv3nx>i guess i could try it.
04:37<Supaplex>the netboot mini.iso is about 8mb. it needs everything off the network. even the bulk of the debian installer.
04:37<xArv3nx>ok, i thought you were referring to the 40mb one
04:37<xArv3nx>and it should work?
04:37<fsateler>I once had the same problem and used netboot to install
04:37<fsateler>it did get my box up and running, but the cd
04:37<xArv3nx>i thought the business card iso would fix that, tbh. =/
04:37<fsateler>never worked
04:38<ml|>i did use netinstall
04:38<xArv3nx>and your cd drive is recognized?
04:38<xArv3nx>what bios version are you using?
04:38<fsateler>ml|: but if the cd is not recognized it can't load d-i
04:38<Supaplex>netboot doesn't need to recogonize the cd to install. the bootloader loads the kernel and the initrd to get things started.
04:38<ml|>like i said might be hardware issue
04:38<xArv3nx>we have the same hardware. o_o
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04:39<xArv3nx>well i also just need to get things working in general, because there are a lot of debian derivatives out there.
04:39<xArv3nx>they don't work either. :<
04:39<xArv3nx>parsix and elive for example.
04:40<xArv3nx>the sad part is i got debian to boot/install fine once.
04:40<xArv3nx>never again.
04:41<Supaplex>is windows installed? /msg dpkg debian.exe
04:41<xArv3nx>yes, actually.
04:41<gsimmons>!tell guybrush- -about lvm removedisk
04:41<ml|>xArv3nx: and dvd drives works fine
04:41<guybrush->xArv3nx, the thing is that I have a VG with 2 Physical volumes, on disck hdc and all the rest on sda, the VG has 120 Gb used and about 420 free. the thing that I want to do is remove the 2 extensions on hdc but I don't ave any other physical volume as big as the hdc6 is it posible to move the information on this physical volume to the rest I don't care on which one or if they have to use 2 o 3 physical volumes.
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04:42<xArv3nx>i think you should be talking to someone else.
04:42<guybrush->gsimmons, I think that to perform vgreduce the physical volumes must be empty.
04:42<Supaplex>guybrush-: the lvm2 howto (google it) has a senario or two that sound like that.
04:42<Supaplex>and yes, you may need to carefully study it.
04:44<guybrush->supaplex, the think is that probably I'm goint to user pvmove, but I think this means that I need another physical volume as big as the one in hdc6.
04:44<Supaplex>how much unused space is reported by pvscan?
04:45<guybrush->I haven't check that but probably most of it because it was one of the fist devices I added to to vg and when it becomed full I extended the VG over a new disk :-(
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04:47<Supaplex>11.6 may apply.
04:47<guybrush->yeah the hec6 is full 55Gb I going to have a look to this howto.
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04:47<Supaplex>is what you're trying to do somehow infeasable?
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04:48<Supaplex>eg, expecting to free a second drive when you're using too much space?
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04:51<Supaplex>if you add drives, your reduce of the volume you want to get rid of should push the used extents to other disks.
04:52<guybrush->Supaplex, I don't realy know how lvm works internaly, but it would be nice if they are able to "rebanace" the infomation on pvdisk I've got enough freespace on the VG but my free physical volumes are smaller. so what I want lvm do for me is move 55Gb form one pv to 3 new pv. (it shoudn't be so dificult. (whith all my respect for the developers of lvm who by the way did a great job.
04:52<Supaplex>did you mean "rebalance"
04:52<guybrush->yea, rebalance sorry
04:53<guybrush->I've been reading the vgreduce man and it doesn't say that move the used extents.
04:53<Supaplex>and if it does, what does this solve?
04:54<Supaplex>I'd have to setup something in a controlled setup to test. eg, qemu with a few disks.
04:54<Supaplex>even 100mb disks. :)
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04:56<guybrush->I think I'mg going to use the old fasion way of copy the info to a new one and put back after modify the VG. I think I will test this later as well fortunately I'm plenty of space on this server. and the VG is only accessed by one process.
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05:58<Jimmy89>Hey guys, I am new to linux and I am thinking of building a file server running debian.
05:58<Jimmy89>I am currently leaning towards software raid5 using mdadm
05:59<Jimmy89>but I also see people talking about LVM in addition to using mdadm, but I am confused as to what the LVM actually does.
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06:01<ml|>dpkg:tell Jimmy89 about lvm
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06:02<eeeuser>!tell eeeuser about lvm
06:03<eeeuser>oops. At any rate, wikipedia has a nice summary.
06:03<ml|>dpkg: tell eeeuser about self tell
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06:04<Jimmy89>So I guess my question is, is raid5 using mdadm the best route to take, and would I need to do anything else to get the array running apart from following steps similar to this
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06:04<Jimmy89>I realise the guide is for ubuntu, but basically I just don't need to use the sudo commands :p
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06:10<locklace>hehe, the way they prefix every command with "sudo" is mind-boggling
06:10<locklace>Jimmy89: anyway, sure, it's the same everywhere
06:11<Jimmy89>yeh it is just the commands for mdadm.
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06:12<locklace>Jimmy89: here's another random example just for variety:
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06:18<Jimmy89>in that example you linked, it uses lvm
06:18<Jimmy89>but in the one I linked it dosn't, am I correct there?
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06:22<SQlvpapir>Jimmy89: zfs
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06:24<kampasky>anyone else experiencing quite broken squeeze desktop, kaffeine, vlc and various other apps throwing SIGFPE on startup?
06:24<locklace>Jimmy89: right. thought the lvm info might be helpful for you
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06:26<locklace>kampasky: did it just start happening after an update?
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06:31<kampasky>locklace: actually I will probably have some trouble pinpointing when did it start happenning, I didn't use the machine much for a while
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06:33<locklace>kampasky: symptoms sound like some low-level library problem. i'd double-check your sources.list and installed package versions to be sure they're all in sync with squeeze
06:36<kampasky>locklace: well, i'm using X from unstable :)
06:36<kampasky>but all looks in sync
06:36<locklace>so are you having problems with any non-x programs
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06:38<kampasky>not really, but not that many x apps either
06:39<locklace>by "not really" do you mean "every program i am having the problem with is an x program"?
06:39<kampasky>oh and never mind anymore :)
06:39<kampasky>(gdb) bt
06:39<kampasky>#0 0x00007fa3182251cf in ?? () from /usr/lib/
06:39<kampasky>#1 0x00007fa318225348 in QPaintDevice::x11AppDpiY ()
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06:39<kampasky>so this is actually :(
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06:53<herb>hi everybody!
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06:54<herb>i have two distros in my laptop: debian and xubuntu. But i can't mount xubuntu, because debian can't recognize ext4. what can i do to read xubuntu partition? thanx!
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06:57<gsimmons>herb: You can either attempt to mount it read-only via ext4dev, or install a 2.6.28 or later kernel to provide the ext4 filesystem driver.
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06:58<herb>gsimmons, i guess my kernel is later than that. how can i find out kernel version?
06:58<gsimmons>!tell herb -about version
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08:03<AzaTht>I still hanvn't figured out why my dead kets stop working properly, even in xchat I can't neither use dead keys as AltGr combo, nor I cna' use any other AltGr combo, which does work in the terminal (dollar etc..); is the AltGr tilde tilde combo
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08:19<beer>I have a bug in konqueror that I can reproduce but the backtrace does not look complete. What -dbg things can I be missing. I am running debian sid
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08:22<zeroXten>hmm, any known reasons for getting "I wasn't able to locate file for the curl package" after a etch->lenny upgrade?
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08:22<carlos>good morning
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08:24<emikaadeo>hi, does anybody know where can i find some patches to improve seeking through .flac and .wavepack files ?
08:24<abrotman>zeroXten: curl is in lenny .. your sources.list might be messed up
08:24<emikaadeo>patches for xine
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08:27<zeroXten>hmm, it looks okay
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08:30<abrotman>zeroXten: put the file in a pastebin
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08:32<InkBottle>in dmesg, how can I know the date/time when a given message had been emitted?
08:33<InkBottle>same question for Xorg.log
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08:34<cahoot>InkBottle: re demsg - checked syslog?
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08:35<jean>'lo lo
08:35<InkBottle>cahoot: I will
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08:36<AzaTht>there seems to be more people than me who noticed this problem:
08:37<AzaTht>though a read thread is that we knows nada what is the problem
08:37<AzaTht>and yea, I'm not running gnome, I'm using xfce4
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08:40<jean>when I installed kdm on my system, I got an error when it starts up now about "No greeter widget plugin loaded".... so to resolve it, I had to install kdebase-workspace. This seems to pull in most of kde. Is there anyway to avoid this? Is this a bug or is this here to stay?
08:40<jean>I don't use the kde window manager, so I'd rather not have to have it installed if I'm not gonna use it.
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08:41<InkBottle>cahoot: there is absolutly noting in syslog except some cron messages
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09:27<dddreammer>I purged a package that was previously installed and is now out-of-date by using "dpkg --purge foo". When I try to update 'foo' shows-up on the list of the to-be-removed... and dpkg chokes with an error: "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" 'foo' is on a list to be removed... but isn't installed. I need to clean-up that list somehow... but don't know how to do that. Any thoughts? Thanx.
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09:46<herb>hi everybody
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09:48<herb>i installed debian to my laptop. before that i had xubuntu. so, now i have two distros. but grub can't see xubuntu. how can i find it or edit it? thanx!
09:49<herb>edit menu.lst?
09:49<dddreammer>i'm think 'grub.conf'
09:49<Torsten_W>no, it's menu.lst
09:51<herb>i have hda1,hda2,hda5,hda6. one of them xubuntu, (unfortunately ext4) how can i check which of them ext4?
09:51<gsimmons>herb: Be aware that GRUB Legacy doesn't support ext4. You'll need to use GRUB version 2.
09:52<herb>gsimmons, how can upgrade it?
09:52<herb>just apt?
09:53<gsimmons>!tell herb -about grub2
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09:55<dddreammer>how does one mark a package as uninstalled... if it is uninstalled but dpkg wants to purge it?
09:55<herb>gsimmons, how can i update now menu.lst?
09:55<abrotman>dddreammer: so if you `aptitude purge <pkg>` .. it tells you that it cannot ?
09:57<dddreammer>I tried purging a package that was previously installed...
09:58<herb>also, i want to mount ext4,"mount -t ext4dev -o ro /dev/hda5 /media/xubuntu" but it says wrong fs type
09:58<herb>but it not
09:58<herb>it is not*
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09:58<dddreammer>the following shows it marked for purge as far as i can tell: dpkg-query --list
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09:59<eeeuser>herb: You could build a later kernel, 2.6.30 would do.
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10:00<eeeuser>This removes the dev moniker from the ext4 support.
10:00<herb>eeeuser, im newbie, how can i build that? is it easy?
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10:00<dddreammer>i get "dpkg: error processing postgresql-7.4 (--purge): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1"
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10:01<abrotman>dddreammer: you could put an "exit 0" after the shebang in the postrm file
10:01<dddreammer>"dpkg-query --list postgresql-7.4" results in: "pc postgresql-7.4 1:7.4.17-1"
10:02<dddreammer>I think the "pc" in the above is a marking for purge
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10:02<dddreammer>the problem is that postgresql-7.4 isn't installed any more... so it can't be purged
10:02<herb>eeeuser, thanx!
10:02<eeeuser>I would ignore the bit about backports.
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10:03<eeeuser>In fact, you might find a better reference than that.
10:03<InkBottle>about the swfdec pluggin for firefox, when I do properties, I can't copy the displayed information. Any idea of a work around?
10:03<abrotman>dddreammer: does /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-7.4.postrm exist ?
10:04<eeeuser>herb: actually the more I read that, the less I like it. You should probably download the latest stable for 2.6 from
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10:04<dddreammer>yeah it does according to "locate"
10:04<herb>eeeuser, ok
10:04<dddreammer>it is here: /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-7.4.postrm
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10:05<eeeuser>and read some
10:06<herb>eeeuser, ok, thanx :)
10:07<abrotman>dddreammer: on the line after the shebang .. put 'exit 0'
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10:08<dddreammer>i don't find the pattern 'shebang' in the file
10:08<dddreammer>i do see a line: update-rc.d postgresql-7.4 remove >/dev/null || exit $?
10:08<abrotman>dddreammer: the shebang is the first line
10:08<dpkg>somebody said shebang was the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use
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10:10<giupy>i have downloaded the debian usb installation img and created usb pen with netinst iso, i have used it and all goes well. i have a pc with deb installed where doesn't exist usb boot, can i boot the installation from usb using the grub already installed in that pc ?
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10:12<eeeuser>giupy: You could do a tftp boot.
10:13<giupy>eeeuser ?
10:13<eeeuser>network boot.
10:13<giupy>eeeuser hm i don't understand how to useit
10:14<giupy>i have read something
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10:14<dddreammer>looks that did it :-)
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10:15<dddreammer>dunno how i would have figured-out that myself
10:15<eeeuser>!tell giupy about netboot
10:16<abrotman>dddreammer: you probably wouldn't have .. i guess maybe there should be some fail-safe way to do that
10:17<eeeuser>giupy: this all assumes you don't have a CD/DVD drive or a spare HDD lying around.
10:17<giupy>eeeuser yes i don't have them
10:18<eeeuser>Depending upon your physical configuration, you could pull the HDD from the non-USB booting box and move it to the other.
10:20<giupy>well, another question :))
10:20<eeeuser>fire away.
10:20<dddreammer>would have removing the 'postrm' file done it?
10:20<giupy>i have alsa installed, in alsamixer i see volume but when i open something audio i can't use it
10:20<giupy>all without audio
10:21*eeeuser doesn't really know a lot about sound.
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10:23<abrotman>dddreammer: might have made things worse
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10:31<Intel>I am running Lenny under Vmware workstation. I can surf the net so i have net access but everytime I try to run an eggdrop it fails. Under other distros it works so is there something new in lenny that I need to change...
10:32<stuckey>I'm following this guide ( for installing the latest x264 and ffmpeg in Ubuntu, and I was wondering if I could also use this "checkinstall" program the same way it's used in the guide in Debian. I'm guessing the only thing I might need to change would be the "-pkgversion "1:0.svn`date +%Y%m%d`-0.0ubuntu1"" section.
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10:33<abrotman>stuckey: you could .. but you'd do better to `/msg dpkg dmm` and install them as packages
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10:34<stuckey>abrotman: Do they keep the most updated packages in dmm?
10:35<locklace>!tell Intel about doesn't work
10:35<abrotman>dont know .. don't use them .. look for yourself
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10:35*EmleyMoor wishes he had a really quick way to back up all his systems
10:36<stuckey>abrotman: Will aptitude automatically use the dmm repository since it has a newer version of the package?
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10:36<abrotman>stuckey: if you include it in your sources ..
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10:40<tonsofpcs>can mgetty be set to answer a modem based upon the RD line being pulled low (normal state is high) rather than the textual "RING" provided by the modem?
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10:41<giupy>is that true that with grub2 i can boot an iso ?
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10:41<giupy>wich params to menulst ?
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10:41<steffan>giupy: with grub2 you can directly boot an (iso9660) ISO using its loopback option
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10:42<stuckey>abrotman: So, by having this in my apt sources, does that mean that other packages will get upgraded to the packages in dmm?
10:43<stuckey>For example, mplayer?
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10:43<abrotman>you can do it that way if you like
10:43<stuckey>abrotman: I don't want it that way
10:44<abrotman>i think there are very few packages in dmm and tghe main repo
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10:44<dddreammer>i'm off... thank you for the help!
10:44<Dcc>Hello ..
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10:47<miguel>any idea what is wrong about that: mplayer -gui /dev/video0
10:48<miguel>i want a mplayer with gui AND open this file
10:48<miguel>but i only get the gui
10:48<miguel>mplayer /dev/video0 works fine too, but i get no gui of course
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10:58<Graviton>Ich habe eine Frage weiß jemand nen Terminal Befehl um die USB Schnittstellen zu aktualisieren oder nach Festplatten zu suchen?
10:58<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:00<Graviton>Does anybody know a terminal Command to refresh USB or search for HDDs?
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11:03<stuckey>Anyone know how I can tell how long a video file is with mplayer or ffmpeg?
11:03<stuckey>Without actually watching the whole thing and timing it?
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11:04<tonsofpcs>anyone here have a good working knowledge of RS232 and how modems interface with mgetty? i'm looking to build a solution that will tell mgetty that a line is ringing so it can issue an answer command to the modem, but i need the modem to not issue ring status [incoming calls are filtered by an external device that provides a contact closure upon a data call] [or if there's another way to tell mgetty to answer, that could be useful]
11:04<locklace>stuckey: you might want to have a look at avinfo
11:05<raymonp_>Graviton: reboot? hehe.. just kidding.. such a command would interest me also.. :)
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11:06<Graviton>with reboot it don't work the disk is not found
11:07<stuckey>locklace: what if it's a .VOB file?
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11:09<raymonp_>Graviton, look at dmesg for a solution?
11:10<raymonp_>!tell Graviton about dmesg
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11:15<plugwash>anyone have any idea what could cause a "stale nfs file handle" error in a system that isn't using nfs?
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11:25<gades>estoy tratando de instalar el debian en usb, baje los archivos que estan en la pagina oficial, pero no sé como proseguir
11:25<gades>alguien me podría ayudar
11:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:27<gades>craigevil, escuse me, I thought I was in the channel in Spanish
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11:31<gades>ok, i'm download the debian usb files, i copied the files in the usb stick but this can't boot
11:31<gades>how to do it
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11:32<locklace>gades: just get the normal netinst .iso image and use unetbootin to put it on the usb:
11:34<gades>locklace, ok
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11:54<gades>locklace, but how to install debian in a usb?
11:55<cahoot>you mean like a live-USB ?
11:57<gades>cahoot, yes
11:57<gades>this is the point
11:58<cahoot>good then the wiki is written for your benefit
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12:28<Stacey-Chin>what a waste of time
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12:33<edbian>I have been browsing the net looking for a linux distribution. I am looking for something very minimal. All I want is to boot to a graphical web-browser preferably firefox. Insanely fast boot times. And based on debian. Is there such a thing??
12:34<plugwash>there is damn small linux but it's based on a very old version of debian (woody iirc) so I wouldn't reccomend it
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12:35<plugwash>just how small do you need this thing to be? using regular debian and stripping unnessacery services yourself may be your best option
12:36<steffan>edbian: xubuntu is designed for low-end machines, it's a spin-off of ubuntu which is inturn based on debian --
12:36<steffan>edbian: or ofcourse there is the option of just stripping debian down to the bare minimal
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12:37<cahoot>' Insanely fast boot times.' 1s 2...5?
12:37<edbian>plugwash: System resources are not an issue. Mmm. I never though of that. I could just configure debian (i.e. get it to boot quickly)
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12:37<edbian>Under 5 would be insanely fast to me
12:37<abrotman>steffan: what's wrong with using debian ?
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12:37<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:37<cahoot>edbian: s2ram
12:38<steffan>abrotman: please highlight where i said there was anything wrong with using debian :)
12:38<edbian>cahoot: Is that a package?
12:38<abrotman>steffan: then why recommend another distro?
12:38<cahoot>edbian: suspend to ram
12:39<edbian>abrotman: To be fair I asked for something debian based (implying not debian) But debian is a good idea!!! (it's just the best isn't it)
12:39<steffan>abrotman: 'And based on debian.', did you not read this?
12:39<abrotman>edbian: use debian
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12:39<abrotman>if you don't want debian, this is the wrong place to ask
12:39<locklace>debian is trivially based on debian
12:39<edbian>ha ha ha
12:39<FCS>Hello (my english is not so good) I search one Pakte - firmware-iwlwifi - how can I found?
12:39<cahoot>aptitude search
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12:40<FCS>with apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi .... doesnt found
12:40<cahoot>enable non-free
12:40<FCS>how ?
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12:41<gsimmons>FCS: Which Debian version are you using?
12:41<abrotman>edbian: you don't even have to install a window manager .. but how fast is 'fast' ?
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12:41<edbian>I would like to see a boot time of less than 5 seconds
12:41<edbian>(from off) I don't want to be suspending my computer 24 hours a day
12:42<locklace>your bios probably takes 5 seconds to post
12:42<alexbaumgertner>hi, how i can enable in debian lenny ext4 support?
12:42<FCS><gsimmons> Debian 5.0
12:42<gsimmons>!tell FCS -about non-free sources
12:42<edbian>locklace: I was reading that a couple guys got fedora to boot in less than 5 seconds. And I have read in various different sites that it has been done. Do I need some sort of high-performance bios?
12:42<alexbaumgertner>I am using linux- kernel
12:43<locklace>edbian: coreboot would be a good choice
12:43<FCS><gsimmons> what do you mean?
12:43<azeem>FCS: see what dpkg /msg'd you
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12:45<plugwash>edbian, note that they were booting off solid state storage not a HDD, also they don't say if thier 5 seconds includes bios POST
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12:46<plugwash>nothing they did seems to be distro specific so I don't see any reason you couldn't achive the same with debian
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12:48<FCS>he doesnt find the package
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12:50<cahoot>FCS: you did aptitude update first?
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12:50<edbian>Thanks guys!!
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12:52<FCS>here my file index
12:52<FCS># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090214-16:03]/ lenny main
12:52<FCS>#deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090214-16:03]/ lenny main
12:52<FCS>deb lenny main
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12:52<azeem>FCS: use
12:52<FCS>is that ok?
12:52<FCS>ohh sry
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12:54<azeem>FCS: the main lenny line does not have non-free
12:54<azeem>only security and volatile
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12:56<FCS>ok thanks 4 help
12:56<FCS>have a nice day
12:56<FCS>nice to meet us!
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13:27<Zviper>i've got an i686 proc (intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3360 @ 2.83GHz w/ 4cores) but if i have a process say at 4% it's unbearably slow. anyone have any ideas?
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13:36<SQlvpapir>Zviper: is the disk i/o high?
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13:46<zaccour>i know i might get flamed for asking this, but why does debian always use packages that are at least 2 years old rather than newer more advanced ones?
13:46<raymonp_>because debian is not ubuntu.
13:46<raymonp_>and debian is STABLE
13:47<shamanix>zaccour, try testing or unstable
13:48<zaccour>all systems should be stable by default, isn't that what alpha and beta testing is for?
13:48<SQlvpapir>!dpkg squeeze
13:48<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
13:48<cahoot>zaccour: define stable
13:49<SQlvpapir>stable != debian stable
13:49<zaccour>by stable i mean tested and fixed, i.e. alpha and beta done "properly"
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13:49<raymonp_>zaccour.. ask microsoft
13:49<zaccour>what microsoft does and what they should do are completely different, bad example haha
13:49<bzed>zaccour: that's what debian does.
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13:49<SQlvpapir>zaccour: no new features is introduced into debian stable
13:50<bzed>zaccour: and thats why stuff is sometimes a bit older. but its stable.
13:50<zaccour>ok i see, thanks
13:50<zaccour>thanks for not shooting flame arrows at me lol
13:50<SQlvpapir>some people need stable software, not bleeding edge brown/orange themes mixed up with old debian unstable packages
13:51<zaccour>one more question. will debian ever by default install closed source drivers? many computers require them especially for wireless networking
13:51<raymonp_>our company choose debian over ubuntu because we need stability. Not bleeding edge untested software.
13:52<jackyf>zaccour: install unstable+experimental and enjoy dozens of packages that newer than anything else :)
13:52<SQlvpapir>zaccour: there is non-free for that kind of stuff
13:52<jackyf>zaccour: stable means extensive and prolonged testing and freeze
13:52<raymonp_>you have to include the none-free repositories for closedsource.
13:52<SQlvpapir>zaccour: just enable it in your sources.list
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14:22<benny>Hi all,
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14:23<benny>I've just installed Debian and KDE4 but I don't have control center, do you have any idea how to get it ?
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14:28<miguel>how do i get xgl support?
14:28<miguel>i installed compiz , but it seems to depend on THAT
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14:29<nick25>is anybody awake in here
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15:23<softlite>hi :D people :D
15:24<softlite>I have a question I hope someone can help me, I would ask about pain Suse disks as you know I can do?
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15:27<petemc>softlite: that question doesnt make much sense
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15:29<softlite>well this was not my intention just wanted to see if I could help but understand: D thanks: D
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15:38<locklace->!confuse softlite
15:38<dpkg>No, who is your gouda tomorrow, softlite? Pants of the Democracy of Tahiti with extra ham.
15:39<elcausa>how do you add japanese languaje support to debian?
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15:59<GnomeAfterAll>Hey, i've got a problem woth my icecast server. When a song starts, it sounds really weird. I reconnect with my client and then it works fine, 'til the end of the song. Anyone can help me?
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16:10<defg>Hi people, is there any channel on this network where it is appropriate to ask about hardware? I mean this is not really debain specific, I just want to build a new desktop and want some advice
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16:13<GnomeAfterAll>defg, i would say #hardware, but no one is there :(
16:13<defg>lol that s right
16:14<GnomeAfterAll>and someone owns it too :(
16:15<defg>no prob
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16:30<deniz>does anybody know when lenny and a half is coming out approximately?
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16:54<chealer>deniz: it might happen in November - there is nothing close to a schedule yet
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16:57<deniz>chealer, this is a somewhat random question but, when testing is frozen, does it only receive security fixes or any little minor bug is addressed up until it is classified as stable and then only receives release critical bugs?
16:58<Zviper>how do i check what's running under a single core? the second core of my quad core is always 100% for some reason
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17:00<SlimeyPete>"taskset -p <pid>" I think
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17:01<herb>hi everybody!
17:02<herb>is there a way to mount ext4 under kernel 2.6.26? please help!
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17:03<gsimmons>herb: We told you already. Use either ext4dev or upgrade your kernel to at least 2.6.28 (e.g. lenny-backports).
17:04<herb>gsimmons, i know, but upgrading my kernel is difficult for me. i read several tutorials, all they seem very complicated
17:05<herb>i used ext4dev (mount -t ext4dev -o ro /dev/hda5 /media/xubuntu) but it says wrong fs type
17:05<herb>so, i don't know what to do
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17:07<Zviper>thanks for that command SlimeyPete, i got this in the end though
17:07<Zviper>pid 5105's current affinity mask: f
17:08<Zviper>my first core is running 100% now, i have no idea why
17:08<gsimmons>herb: Backported 2.6.29 kernel images are available from You can install one of these to provide your system with the ext4 driver ; /msg dpkg bpo
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17:10<herb>gsimmons, thanx!
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17:13<darrob>hi, there are contributed builds of a package, navit, for lenny and sid. i run squeeze, however. is it --generally speaking-- worth trying to install the lenny version?
17:13<Phr3ak>hi there !!
17:13<Guest1174>is there a text-to-speech that doesn't sound like crap! ?
17:13<Phr3ak>i dont have to ask, if you peeps are running debian over here ^_^
17:13<deepsa>Guest1174, have you used synaptic to find out yet/
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17:14<Guest1174>tried epos espeech and festival
17:14<Guest1174>crap crap crap!
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17:15<Zviper>how do i look at what's running under a certain core?
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17:16*Phr3ak has a kernel panic
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17:16*Phr3ak 's kernel is always in panic ^_^
17:16<thegve>Zviper, Why do you wanna know that?
17:16<Zviper>my first core is constantly 100%
17:16<thegve>Some process is likely taking 50% of your CPU power
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17:17<Zviper>it's probably rtorrent, but i don't know what to do..
17:17<thegve>Or less if you have more than 2 cores..
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17:17<Zviper>i've got 4 cores
17:17<thegve>And restarting rtorrent doesn't help?
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17:17<Zviper>no, i've tried that numerous times
17:17<thegve>If you close it, does the cpu usage go down?
17:17<Phr3ak>just send it to /dev/null
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17:18<Zviper>what will that do?
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17:18<Zviper>ok i killed it, it's not at 100% anymore
17:19<Phr3ak>just kill the damn bastard! :D
17:19<Guest1174>anyone know about gigabit pcie nics eeprom problems, or more to the point which one don't have that problem?
17:19<Zviper>ya but i still need the process!
17:19<Phr3ak>what kind of nic ?
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17:20<thegve>Zviper, There will likely be a bug in rTorrent... I was just thinking, doesn't it have an automatic unpack system that is working, or am I just thinking to obvious now...
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17:20<Zviper>what is an automatic unpack system?
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17:20<thegve>I guess you download zip/rar files using rTorrent?
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17:21<thegve>I'm using nzbget for usenet myself, that unpacks zip/rar etc. files for me.
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17:21<Zviper>yeh most releases come in multi-rars
17:21<Zviper>it doesn't auto extract though if that's what you're saying
17:21<Xeross>I want to make sftp accounts that can only access their home directory and got no commands other then moving/editing/etc files in there home directory, how would i do this ?
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17:22<thegve>ok... Than you should check with rTorrent if there are upgrades or known issues etc, cause this will (most likely) be a rTorrent issue then.
17:23<thegve>I'm making a serious lot of typo's, sorry for that
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17:23<Zviper>it's cool
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17:26<geol4>Hi people I have a question which is not debian specific but maybe you can help. Assume that I transfer a file by "scp" and at some moment the connection is lost. I understand that scp will not restart automatically after the connection is re established. Is there a program which has this auto-restart option?does not re start automatically the file
17:26<kamitree>i have a n00b question, i have two network cards and both are pluged into a different network but only one is receving a dhcp lease
17:26<kamitree>any help would be great
17:26<themill>geol4: rsync
17:26<kamitree>geo14: use rsync that does that
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17:27<geol4>themill: I thought I need to restart "rsync" manually each time after the restarting of the connection. Do you say it is automatic?
17:27<kamitree>(i don't know if this helps but when i use the arp command it shows two different hardware address but they are both on the same interface)
17:28<kamitree>geo14: nope look in the man page but there is a flag you use to tell it to just make changes to files that are different
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17:29<kamitree>geo14: i think it's the -u for update
17:29<Tristan>I'm having a problem as well. I restarted and for some reason X wouldn't load, and I'm not sure what I could have done to have broken it
17:29<themill>geol4: rsync needs to be restarted manually, but it won't restart the transfer from the start of the file
17:30<geol4>themill: thanks, i understand this. What I was asking for: is there any program which would auto-restart the trasnfer after the connection is rebuilt?
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17:30<geol4>this way i could just start the story and not watch it any more
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17:31<geol4>kamitree - thanks, checking
17:31<themill>geol4: some of the fancier graphical clients might be able to do that (e.g. filezilla). You could inspect the exit code of rsync in a script and write your own retry wrapper
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17:31<Hideo>geol4: how about "for i in {1..10} ; do rsync -va blahfile foo/ ; done"
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17:32<geol4>hideo :)) yeah
17:33<geol4>themill: btw does rsync work if one of the machines is Windows, or it needs both Nix?
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17:34<kamitree>geo14: it depends how you are sending the file if you are going from the windows box to your linux then yes it would need rsync i believe but if you are going linux to windows no as long as you can use something like ssh or some transfer proto
17:35<geol4>OK people, thanks I guess i understand the stuff much better now
17:36<kamitree>good luck
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17:36<kamitree>can anyone point me in the right direction for trouble shooting my network interface, for what ever reason it's not getting a dhcp lease
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17:38<Hideo>well pointing in the right direction at least, use tcpdump, tshark, ping
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17:41<kamitree>ok :) is it common when you do an arp dump to have two hardware address but both have the same interface? this seemed odd to me (i would have expected one hardware to be on eth0 and the other to be on eth1 but they are both on eth1 and eth1 is the only interface i have working)
17:41<wopr>notte a tutti..
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17:43<gorb>does Jumbo frames matter anything these days with strong cpus?
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17:47<raymonp_>is glusternfs stable?
17:47<raymonp_>and well tested?
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17:47<raymonp_>im thinking about testing it in production.
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17:58<simNIX>I have setup a Debian mirro with apt-mirror - all is ok except when using it for netbooted installs that it fails key of (my) mirror - is there a way to fix this ? I am aware in preseed I can say go ahead without checking but I'd rather fix it properly ..
17:58<bzed>simNIX: you could use debmirror
17:58<simNIX>would that do something diferent ?
17:58<simNIX>or prefered ?
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17:59<bzed>it would copy the files from the mirror which are signed by the dbeian archive key, instead of creating them from scratch and not signing them
18:00<bzed>I *think* that's your problem
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18:01<simNIX>are you aware in what directory on ftp server I could find this files ? with around 60Gb downloaded with apt-mirror I would for now rather fix it like that, wil read up on debmirror and set that dowlnoading later ..
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18:01<bzed>I think in dists
18:01<simNIX>k - tnx for info
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18:15<gades>i have actually installed debian-live but can't save changes...
18:15<gades>Ho to do it?
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18:18<simNIX>eather store on network drive or maybe usb drive / dongle ...
18:18<simNIX>... else if you like maybe give some drive the plesure of a full install ...
18:18<simNIX>... be sure to not have anything important still on the drive though ..
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18:28<ntrrgc>la vida no se negocia
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18:49<miguel>for some reasion when i do startx i end up with metacity as window manager
18:49<miguel>but i want xfce4-manager
18:49<miguel>in update-alternatives xfce4 ist set
18:49<miguel>so i dont know where metacity comes from?
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18:50<astronut>ok, if i want to make /dev/video0 availible in a chroot but not all of /dev, what's the best way to do that? I can't make a hard link because of udev if i understand correctly - can udev make the link?
18:51<Tovenaar>Hey everyone, can anyone help me getting internet on different browsers? I have internet connection with other programms like this one.
18:51<astronut>Tovenaar: you should just be able to start a browser
18:52<Tovenaar>I start it
18:52<Tovenaar>I see the startpage.
18:52<Tovenaar>But no internet
18:52<astronut>which browser?
18:52<Tovenaar>firefox and epiphany
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18:52<astronut>firefox's start page is on the internet i think
18:53<astronut>go to in firefox
18:53<astronut>what does it say?
18:53<locklace>astronut: one way to do it is to name it /dev/video/video0 via udev and then mount --bind /dev/video /mnt/dev/video
18:53<Tovenaar>offline modus
18:53<astronut>locklace: i was thinking that
18:54<astronut>Tovenaar: click on the file menu and uncheck work offline
18:54<astronut>locklace: then i have to redo all my configs
18:54<astronut>well, i guess i can symlink video0 to video/video0
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18:54<astronut>locklace: can udev do the hardlink?
18:54<locklace>astronut: yes, that's the right approach
18:54<Tovenaar>doh it works..
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18:54<Tovenaar>Thanks.. I feel like a morron :P
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18:55<astronut>i'm setting up a schroot for skype which i do not trust at all
18:55<locklace>astronut: in udev the real name has to be set to /dev/video/video0 and then it can add the /dev/video0 symlink
18:55<astronut>so i don't ewant to expose all of /dev
18:55<astronut>locklace: i mean can udev do a hardlink?
18:55<astronut>a hardlink will persist in a chroot
18:55<astronut>well maybe
18:55<miguel>how is it possible i end up with metacity as window manager:?
18:55<astronut>i don't know how devfs implements it
18:55<miguel>ROOT> MiguelsLair:/home/miguel# ll /etc/alternatives/ | grep x-window
18:55<miguel>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2009-06-05 01:40 x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/xfwm4
18:55<miguel>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 2009-06-05 01:40 x-window-manager.1.gz -> /usr/share/man/man1/xfwm4.1.gz
18:56<astronut>miguel: what do you use to start x?
18:56<miguel>but i installed compiz and metacity recently
18:56<astronut>do you have a .xwhatever?
18:56<miguel>and since then i and up with metacity as manager
18:56<astronut>.xsession, etc
18:56<miguel>astro: nope
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18:56<miguel>i only have the global ones in the /etc...
18:57<astronut>and what do they point to?
18:57<astronut>i should not be allowed to buy babka
18:57<locklace>astronut: no, symlinks only
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18:58<miguel>xinitrc: is only that: . /etc/X11/Xsession
18:58<edel>que haciendo
18:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:59<bcw>i'm having a problem with the sound on my new HP G60-249WM, which uses the HDA nVidia sound card. when it tries to play a sound effect, sometimes i hear static.
18:59<edel>que haciendo
18:59<bcw>i've run alsaconf, tried fiddling with the gnome sound preferences, even tried upgrading to sid (i've since reinstalled lenny) but every app that tries to play sound still has this problem. any ideas?
18:59<miguel>maybe x-session-manager just REMEBERS my last window manager?
18:59<miguel>is that possible?
18:59<edel>no is posible
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19:00<locklace>bcw: does it happen even with "speaker-test -t wav"
19:00<trueno>Hi all! Is there any good web editing app for Debian? (Ideally available also for windows or easy to hand over the work done to a windows user)
19:00<bcw>locklace, yes.
19:01<locklace>bcw: what's the most recent kernel you've tried
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19:02<bcw>locklace, i haven't specifically tried upgrading kernels... unless the sid upgrade did that for me, i didn't do it. (i don't remember if it did.)
19:02<miguel>ooook, it really seems i just get always the LAST running winodwmanager
19:03<locklace>bcw: first thing, try the latest kernel you can. either install the .29 kernel from sid or build your own from the latest source
19:03<bcw>locklace, ok. do i need to use apt pinning to do that?
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19:03<locklace>bcw: lots of hda changes in recent kernels. if you still get it even with something like 30rc8 you might have to post to lkml
19:03<locklace>bcw: no, just download it manually and install it with dpkg -i
19:04<bcw>locklace, ok. i'll do that. thanks.
19:04<astronut>locklace: you understand my paranoia?
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19:05<locklace>astronut: sure
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19:16<astronut>locklace: can't udev just make 2 instances of it or whatever?
19:16<astronut>2 calles to makedev?
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19:19<locklace>astronut: not afaik
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19:21<metalgear1987>hi to all
19:21<dpkg>All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either.
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19:31<Raziel>I have a question about installing Debian Etch
19:31<Gateway>hello everybody I've tried to installed my wifi card using ndiswrapper... but this one return FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. when I write the command modprob ndiswrapper
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19:31<Raziel>Gateway: Change dir to ndiswrapper
19:32<astronut>Raziel: just ask it, don't announce
19:32<Supaplex>!tell Raziel -about ask
19:32<Gateway>Raziel, how can I do that ?
19:32<Raziel>I run ndiswrapper on my desktop Debian, I run ndiswrapper from a folder, not installed.
19:32<Supaplex>Gateway: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper looks helpful.
19:33<Raziel>But anyway, I installed Debian Etch onto my other laptop, when I try to boot, I get some Sata internal error.
19:33<Raziel>And it infinitely scrolls the error.
19:33<simNIX>better try Lenny ?
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19:33<Raziel>Don't have any CDs
19:34<simNIX>Not that etch's not good, but dated ...
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19:34<Gateway>Supaplex, thanks I'll try it
19:34<simNIX>as in no cd playeR ?
19:34<Raziel>As in, No CD-Rs ;p
19:34<Supaplex>Raziel: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
19:34<Supaplex>there are numerous ways to install debian. :)
19:35<Raziel>But it threw the same error when trying to install, a couple times but then went right into install.
19:35<Raziel>And installed fine
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19:35<Supaplex>it? some error?
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19:36<Raziel>Something like soft resetting port
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19:36<Raziel>ATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 300) internal error
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19:36<Raziel>Or similar.
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19:37<Supaplex>I vagely remember seeing that as a cable issue. try reseating the cables, or when you get the exact error message, more can be confirmed about it.
19:37<astronut>Raziel: any other OSs on the system?
19:37<bcw>locklace, i have a Q related to what we talked about.. i am also using nvidia-glx, and the wiki tells me i'll need a nvidia-kernel-* package for the kernel i'm using, but i can't find an nvidia-kernel-2.6.29-* package. will the current kernel package still work?
19:37<astronut>i think etch's sata was kinda funky IIRC
19:37<Raziel>astronut: yes.
19:37<astronut>etch+1/2 was better
19:37<astronut>Raziel: which?
19:38<Supaplex>bcw: you'd have to compile it.
19:38<Raziel>Primary XP Pro Corp, Secondary Vista Ultimate X64, and then Debian
19:39<astronut>you can use to get a netinstaller for lenny
19:39<astronut>then go straight to lenny
19:39<astronut>or whatever the link is
19:39<bcw>Supaplex, sigh. i've never compiled a kernel module before.. guess i have to learn sometime though..
19:39<astronut>m-a ftw!
19:39<Raziel>How can it go straight to lenny if it can't boot?
19:40<Raziel>And I have no media to install from, cept maybe a USB drive
19:40<Raziel>I hate installing from USB...
19:40<bcw>astronut, yeah, i guess i'll use that. thanks all.
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19:41<astronut>Raziel: that's the boot
19:41<astronut>it installs a bootable installer from windows
19:41<astronut>boots off your windows drive into the intsaller, then you do a netinstall for the packages
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19:41<Raziel>It boots grub, then the kernel, then throws the error after loading a good bit
19:41<Raziel>And all that site had was a button
19:41<Raziel>didn't do anything
19:42<astronut>proper link
19:42<astronut>you boot into windows
19:43<astronut>then run that
19:43<astronut>it sets up an entry in the windows bootloader that luanches the installer
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19:43<astronut>and the installer netboots from there
19:43<Raziel>I was chain booting using a dumped boot sector
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19:44<astronut>chain loading windows -> linux or grub -> windows?
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19:46<Raziel>Vista bootloader > XP Bootloader > Grub
19:46<Raziel>Then made a Grub entry into the vista bootloader
19:48<astronut>that maight be part of your problem, if it's a bad boot sector
19:48<astronut>i much prefer grub -> vista
19:48<astronut>but ya, this will just add an option to your vista bootloader
19:48<astronut>well, i mean grub->windows, though my normal preference is grub -> no other OSs
19:48<Raziel>It's not a bad bootsector, it starts grub fine
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19:48<Raziel>which then starts loading the kernel fine
19:49<Raziel>Then hits a sata error
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19:49<Raziel>as I said, it did that when installing from CD beforehand as well, but it did it a couple times and then went into the install.
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20:08<Raziel>I killed the chat!
20:08<EmleyMoor>I doubt it
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20:09<EmleyMoor>A lot of people are probably in bed
20:09<bja>Or at home living their servers to log
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20:10<bja>judd: versions libvirtd
20:10<Raziel>Or compiling kernels ;p
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20:10<bja>Nah thats mondays first thing on the list hehe
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20:11<bja>what hapenned to judd?
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20:11<Supaplex>dpkg: seen judd
20:11<dpkg>judd <n=stew@unaffiliated/stew/bot/judd> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 5m 21s ago, saying: 'themill: unrar-free -- etch: 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 lenny: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 sid: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1 squeeze: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1'.
20:12<Supaplex>stew: your bot is AWOL
20:13<bja>Supaplex: Versions of packages are on \?
20:14<bja>Ok thx, judd is so much faster, i miss her :(
20:15<bja>I know it is a bot, but I picture her as 1.80 blue eyed blond secretary with exactly what i need when i need it :)
20:16<Supaplex>dpkg: judd
20:16<dpkg>it has been said that judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI-Id and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname".
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20:18<Zviper>anyone here experienced with deluge?
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20:24<dpkg>methinks deluge is a Python/PyGTK BitTorrent client co-developed by markybob. Available for Lenny and through <> for Etch. #deluge on
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20:32<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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20:39<Supaplex>wow. a silent troll.
20:40<abrotman>maybe he figured there weren't enough people here to troll ?
20:41<Supaplex>ahh. maybe he's in #ubuntu :)
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22:04<Raziel>Well.. that net installer != work
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22:47<bighornram>can't get hulu to play with flash says i need version 9 but i have version 10 installed any ideas?
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22:52<ml|>bighornram: works fine here with iceweasel using dmm flash plugin
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22:53<bighornram>what is dmm flash plugin?
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22:54<abrotman>works here with 10
22:54<ml|>dpkg: tell bighornram dmm
22:54<ml|>dpkg: tell bighornram about dmm
22:54<ml|>dpkg: tell bighornram about adobe flash
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23:02<c>Hi What do find / perm 2 ! -type l -ls
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23:03<c>perm 2 !- what is this?
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23:06<kenyon>c: files that have permission exactly 0002 I think
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23:07<dmoerner>c: those are separate, the ! means that it will find files that are not links (! -type l)
23:07<kenyon>c: the ! is ... yeah, what he said
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23:11<Supaplex>how do I configure nagios3 to allow me to view service and host states? I have a password in /etc/nagios3/
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23:17<c>do I need change perm this files? Thanks
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23:27<bighornram>one step closer: got flash working, now how to enable svideo plug on laptop to have video on a tv
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23:28<ml|>bighornram: did dmm flash pluging fixed you flash issue?
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23:29<bighornram>actually i had to uninstall the flash plugin, and install flash from macromedia site, 10.0 version.
23:30<bighornram>hulu wanted a newer version than the one in the package on multimedia
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23:31<ml|>yes whenever changing flash pluging, you need to remove the old one
23:31<ml|>hmm that is wierd dmm works here
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23:33<ml|>iceweasel here is using ... Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22
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23:34<johnfg>hey folks
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23:35<Supaplex>!seen folks
23:35<dpkg>i haven't seen 'folks', Supaplex
23:35<wooj>!seen dpkg
23:35<dpkg>i haven't seen 'dpkg', wooj
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23:36<bighornram>ml: using lenny?
23:36<johnfg>Is there a problem if I have both eth0 and eth1 configured in interfaces? I'd like both to be up.
23:36<ml|>dpkg who are you
23:36<dpkg>I'm a chimp!
23:36<ml|>bighornram: nope i'm on testing
23:37<Supaplex>johnfg: not a problem at all.
23:39<johnfg>Supaplex, So, I've got right now for eth1, auto eth1 (first line).
23:40<bighornram>guess that was the issue. now i want to get my tv svideo channel working
23:40<bighornram>any ideas how to do this
23:40<johnfg>iface eth1 inet dhcp, 2nd line. Would you do the same with auto for eth0?
23:40<Supaplex>if dhcp are on both, yeah.
23:40<johnfg>One would come up, the second,
23:40<johnfg>sorry, 107.
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23:41<Supaplex>that's quite expected.
23:41<johnfg>Supaplex, OK, thank's, I'll go give it a try. I was having a problem that I think was cause with the network not coming up soon enough, when configured with and run by network manager, with kerberos and ldap.
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23:53<Supaplex>snd_ens1371 worked *once* and now I can't even aplay noise.wav as root. grrr
23:53<Supaplex>well, it runs, but no sound.
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23:57<Supaplex>!nuke alsa
23:57*dpkg fires an 80 petaton thermonuclear weapon at supaplex
23:57<Supaplex>ouch :(
23:57<johnfg>Here's a totally unimportant question: sound works fine for everything except it's not there for the cool login sounds. I'm running lenny, all updates, and gnome/nautilus.
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23:58<Supaplex>!nuke snd_ens1371
23:58*dpkg fires an 80 teraton thermonuclear weapon at snd_ens1371
23:59<Supaplex>yeilds are getting all metric on us.
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23:59<ml|>does gnome install even install login sounds?
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