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---Logopened Wed Jun 10 00:00:30 2009
00:01<kenyon>I hate the java plugin. The icedtea6-plugin package used to work, but stopped for some reason, applets just don't load. So I installed icedtea-gcjwebplugin. That just causes iceweasel to hang upon viewing a page with an applet. I guess now I'll have to try sun-java6-plugin, which works until it eventually causes iceweasel to hang.
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00:10<sanket>hi i had an idea abt dpkg, apt-get
00:11<sanket>ne takers, i had long waited yesterday too ?
00:11<kenyon>!ask | sanket
00:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:12<Computer_Man>i'm trying to get custom effects enabled on my dell 260gx any suggestions
00:12<sanket>yes, had this idea about creating and maintaining partial mirrors... via a apt-get wrapper
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00:13<sanket>so that pple who make their custom distro's may make custom mirrors which are NOT broken interms of dependencies !
00:14<sanket>i wanted to know if such a solution sould be welcome by debian community ?
00:14<kenyon>!tell Computer_Man about compiz
00:15<Computer_Man>trying to get compiz to run but can't get the desktop properties to work with it.
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00:16<sanket>kenyon, ?
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00:17<Computer_Man>every time try to get compiz or custom desktop effects working it says can't enable custom effects
00:18<Computer_Man>no 3dcube or any of the other features.
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00:20<Computer_Man>this issue has me stumped. the closest i've gotten is my dell driver don't support these effects but i find that hard to believe. Isn't like that it is a really "bad" card even though is internal card.
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00:25<Computer_Man>how can i tell if my card is openGL?
00:26<Newguy>Is there a config file I can edit gnome without needing to go into it? I just installed tonight but when the PC boots it says out of frequency range lower res but I don't know how to change it
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00:27<caletronic>Newguy: this isn't a Gnome problem exactly. It's an xorg problem.
00:28<Newguy>Ty any chance you know a general direction I could start to look to repair this?
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00:29<caletronic>you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
00:29<Newguy>Thank you very much :)
00:30<caletronic>google for xorg.conf horizfreq vertrefresh
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00:33<caletronic>err. horizsync
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00:37<kva>hello all. someone used vloopback?
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00:46<sney>I detect confusion
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00:51<metacity>wer r u
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01:04<xemacs4321>un 9 21:59:33 debian fetchmail[9331]: connection to localhost:smtp [::1/25] failed: Connection
01:04<xemacs4321>+refused., how to setup loopback for ipv6 ?
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01:05<jm_>Debian installer gives you the option to do it at install time
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01:12<hackndoes>Hi, you all, i have a small issue you will probably solve in 2 seconds. i have a static route which is permanent that i would like to remove. i looked in interfaces, but it is not coming from there. any idea from where can that come?
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01:14<kenyon>hackndoes: I would use ip route del ... see man ip
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01:16<xemacs4321>hackndoes, route add/del should work
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01:36<hackndoes>kenyon, xemacs4321 , thanks guys, i know how to delete the route on the fly, the only problem is it's persistent and i would to remove so after reboot it will also not be recreated
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01:36<hackndoes>any suggestions?
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01:40<xemacs4321>hackndoes, i dont knowwhere route is restored from, i would bet it is somewhere in /etc/
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01:41<xemacs4321>backup etc and add another route ?
01:41<xemacs4321>and see what has changed
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01:42<xemacs4321>sudo cp -r /etc/ to somewhere .........................
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01:44<hackndoes>not the backup part, the what has changed part
01:44<hackndoes>diff on all the /etc directory?
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01:45<kenyon>adding a route won't change anything in /etc
01:45<hackndoes>usually it is set in /etc/network/interfaces but not in my case
01:45<hackndoes>kenyon, that is not the case, there is some persistent static route on my system that i need to remove
01:45<hackndoes>can find ti
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01:46<kenyon>hackndoes: yeah, but how does that contradict what I just said?
01:46<kenyon>hackndoes: find the init script that adds the route
01:46<hackndoes>it doesn't
01:46<hackndoes>i will thanks
01:47<kenyon>hackndoes: well you said "that is not the case" ...
01:47<kenyon>hackndoes: maybe you can do a grep -R for route?
01:47<hackndoes>sorry, didn't mean to make it sound this way you have been very help full
01:47<hackndoes>grep -R takes hours that i don't have but you gave me a direction thanks
01:48<jm_>grep -R on /etc takes hours? wow
01:48<hackndoes>well lot's of minutes :)
01:48<hackndoes>it's a work thing can't wait that much
01:48<kenyon>must be a slow machine, /etc is fairly small
01:49<jm_>another option is to simply check routing table while init scripts are executed and see when approximately it gets added, easier to find it afte rthat
01:50<jm_>plus, you never mentioned how exactly the route looks like
01:51<hackndoes>few minutes
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01:58<stuckey_>Hello, I'm getting this error when I try using "scanimage": scanimage: open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM1312_MFP?serial=00CNB8872H1M failed: Error during device I/O
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02:04<hackndoes>kenyon, sorry for disappearing, my boss called me
02:04<hackndoes>can you repeat your suggestion please?
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02:06<kenyon>hackndoes: grep -RI route /etc
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02:12<nomelon>uf no me savia que avia tantas personas conectada a IRC ace mil años que no me conectava
02:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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02:13<nomelon>hola moriha
02:13<nomelon>como estas
02:13<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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02:13<nomelon>denuevo estoy solo
02:14<nomelon>am bueno les quiero planter auna cosa
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02:14<hackndoes>kenyon, let me explain the problem more precisely and maybe you will have other ideas.
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02:16<hackndoes>i started a openvpn server on another computer in the past. then i added (don't remember where or how) a route to the vpn server so i can remotely talk over the vpn with the this computer
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02:16<stuckey_>I'm trying to use an hp scanner. The "hp-makeuri" command doesn't work, but there's a "URI" listed in CUPS for the printer.
02:17<hackndoes>the thing is i removed the vpn server from the other computer and it was moved to this computer. the problem is the route still exist, and any reply from the new server is still routed to the old one which is no longer the server
02:17<stuckey_>When I use "hp-check" it tells me that the device uri make failed.
02:17<nomelon>am solo se habla ingles?
02:17<kenyon>hackndoes: maybe your openvpn client is starting at boot with the old configuration?
02:18<hackndoes>so clients doesn't get responds. if i remove the route everything works fine
02:18<hackndoes>kenyon, my server.conf file?
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02:18<kenyon>hackndoes: I don't know, I have never used openvpn
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02:19<kenyon>hackndoes: but it sounds like you just need to figure out what you did to make it talk over the vpn to that old server
02:19<hackndoes>well the server configuration is server.conf and it's configured correctly. not adding any local routes other then the default for the system it's running on
02:20<hackndoes>kenyon, yes it is. only i can't remember
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02:20<kenyon>hackndoes: the /etc grep returned nothing?
02:20<hackndoes>nothing with the relevant route
02:21<hackndoes>only the apipa route 169.254.
02:22<ppk>hi all, does this room take questions about squeeze (testing)?
02:22<ppk>forgive me
02:22<kenyon>I've seen squeeze questions in here before
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02:24<hackndoes>kenyon, thanks man you are the best found something in the output
02:24<hackndoes>fixing it
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02:25<kenyon>hackndoes: nice, so where was the route being added?
02:25<ppk>i'm having a problem with dpkg-reconfigure. searching around it looks like it's a bug that requires patching, but i'm pretty new to debian and want to get a second opinion. here's the error:
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02:27<kenyon>ppk: ah, a fellow dvorak user
02:27<ppk>:) yeah
02:27<ppk>saved me from a carpel tunnel surgery
02:27<kenyon>ppk: I use dpkg-reconfigure console-setup to change the console layout
02:28<kenyon>ppk: hoping it does the same for me
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02:28<ppk>kenyon: cool let me try that. and yea, within 3 months of switching over the pain was gone!
02:29<hackndoes>kenyon, indeed in script, i just didn't find it. it's a startup script i created :)
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02:30<jm_>do you have console-data package installed?
02:30<ppk>jm_: yes, checked that first
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02:33<ppk>looks like console-setup is missing tho
02:33<jm_>ppk: these are mostly conflicting packages
02:33<jm_>i.e. use one or the other
02:34<ppk>ok, well i just installed console-setup to see if that one works... should i pull out console-data before continuing?
02:35<kenyon>I have both installed here on squeeze
02:37<jm_>as in remove? it's not really needed, but probably not a good idea to have two things configure it
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02:39<ppk>ok, that worked! thanks guys!
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02:40<ppk>console-setup offers much more tweakability than console-data. at present i left console-data installed
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02:41<jm_>yes, that's current way to do it - but old console-data etc. has some things which can not be done with console-setup
02:41<Lothain>Will the command glxinfo | egrep "glx (vendor|version)" only return positive if OpenGL is working? I followed the instructions for installing the nvidia non-free driver from the debian wiki and, for me, it simply returns: "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". And X fails to load with the nvidia driver
02:42<Lothain>(I have to comment it out and then X loads the vesa driver by default)
02:42<ppk>console-data was installed by default, i didn't have to install it, so i'm not sure i should remove it
02:43<jm_>yeah installing X pulls in console-setup IIRC
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02:43<jm_>Lothain: grep -i glx
02:44<jm_>Lothain: is it actually using the nvidia driver? verify that first
02:45<Lothain>I know it's not; when I uncomment the "Driver "nvidia" " line in xorg.conf, X fails to load
02:45<Lothain>jm_ : Despite the fact the the glx module appears to load fine according to xorg.0.log? x_O
02:45<jm_>you need to check X logfile to find out why
02:46<jm_>Lothain: I don't understand your last question
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02:46<stuckey_>Anyone here know anything about hp scanners?
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02:46<Lothain>jm_ : The only error it shows is "Module 'ramdac' is already built in." My last question means: why would the glx module load fine if the nvidia driver is not being used (I'm working under the assumption that only the nvidia driver has OpenGl support)?
02:47<Lothain>jm_ : "it" in the first sentence refering to Xorg.0.log
02:48<chealer>stuckey: yes
02:48<jm_>Lothain: you can use software renderer, but that's horrible - paste your X logfile with nvidia driver on some pastebin (hint: pastebinit package is useful)
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02:52<Lothain>jm_ : Highlighted seemingly relevant lines. Meanwhile I'm going to learn how to use pastebinit; thanks for that.
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02:53<jm_>Lothain: #
02:53<jm_>LoadModule: "nv"
02:53<jm_>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//
02:53<jm_>you are not using nvidia driver
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02:54<Lothain>jm_ : It's specified in under "Driver" in the "Device" section? Is there a way to verify whether the driver is properly installed?
02:54<ml|>Lothain: pastebinit is easy to use just pastebinit -i file-to-paste -a nick-you-want-to-use
02:54<jm_>Lothain: show me the line
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02:55<jm_>so his line will clear it up
02:56<Lothain>jm_ :
02:56<Lothain>[ is there a way to highlight certain line numbers w/ pastebinit? ]
02:56<jm_>Lothain: it certainly isn't using nvidia driver in the previous pastebin
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02:57<ppk>Lothain: does nvidia show up in lsmod?
02:57<jm_>don't think it supports that (pastebinit)
02:59<Lothain>ppk: Yes, "nivida [Size] 7086148 [Used by] 0"
02:59<ml|>Lothain: when you start X do you see a nvidia logo?
02:59<jm_>that would be a different error and it's smart enough to notice the module is not loaded
02:59<ppk>Lothain: ever try using the nvidia control panel nvidia-settings (or something)
02:59<Lothain>I'm going to reload X making sure that "nvidia" driver is uncommented; I have generated a number of log files and may not have posted the correct one.
03:00<ppk>or nvidia-x-config
03:00<Lothain>ml| : Not any more. The problem only began recently; I am not sure whether it was an update or what but it only recently stopped working
03:00<ppk>speaking of video hw, anyone know if there is a setting somewhere that will tell apt/aptitude what kind of video hardware you have so it doesn't install every xserver-foo it knows about
03:00<Lothain>ppk: Yes and yes
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03:00<Lothain>No success.
03:01<grimpirate>I installed the LXDE desktop with Debian and wanted to add packages to it
03:01<jm_>ppk: it did that because you installed xorg which depends on all, you can install individual stuff manually
03:01<grimpirate>I understand its easier to do with "apt get install synaptic" from the terminal
03:01<grimpirate>In order to use the graphical manager for installation
03:01<grimpirate>But I don't have an internet connection and have the CDs so I'm unsure how to proceed
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03:01<jm_>you can use apt with CD-s
03:01<ml|>first run nvidia-xconfig, restart X, then in X su -c nvidia-settings and select the settings appropriate for the monitor and Save to X Configuration File
03:02<grimpirate>@jm_: Do you know of an online source that explains how to do this? 'Cause I figure it would be a bother to ask you to explain further
03:02<ml|>oh he left
03:02<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct replies to particular users in some web fora. It is NOT used to direct replies on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
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03:03<jm_>grimpirate: didn't installer configure it for you? otherwise you simply add CD-s to sources list with 'apt-cdrom add' command
03:03<grimpirate>The installer asks to scan CDs only if you use the GNOME disk
03:04<ppk>jm_: oh ok. i'm used to gentoo where you specify a video_device and it only brings down the appropriate server
03:04<grimpirate>Not if you use the LXDE and XFCE disc
03:04<jm_>grimpirate: it's the same installer, I find this hard to believe
03:05<grimpirate>@jm_: lol not making it up, promise
03:05<grimpirate>The GNOME one asked if I wanted to scan more disks
03:05<grimpirate>Which I did
03:05<grimpirate>But since my system has low RAM I'd prefer to use LXDE
03:05<jm_>grimpirate: no big deal, easy to configure it afterwards
03:05<grimpirate>But it didn't ask to scan the CDs
03:05<grimpirate>yeah its ok, I'm just unfamiliar with the terminal
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03:06<grimpirate>But basically I just go to terminal
03:06<jm_>you will be able to use synaptic after this is done
03:06<grimpirate>Once I scan then I can just use synaptic to install what I want
03:06<grimpirate>That much I understand
03:06<grimpirate>So basically I just launch terminal
03:07<grimpirate>Perform apt-cdrom add
03:07<jm_>yes, as root
03:07<grimpirate>For each one of the 31 CDs
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03:07<grimpirate>correct as root
03:07<grimpirate>And then apt get install synaptic
03:07<jm_>why do you have 31? you don't need to do it with all
03:07<grimpirate>There were 31 CDs for download
03:07<grimpirate>I figure I might want some of the software on them
03:07<jm_>please don't download all CD-s for the next debian release
03:08<grimpirate>no just the updates
03:08<grimpirate>This is the first Debian release I've ever downloaded
03:08<grimpirate>First Linux I've ever used in fact
03:09<grimpirate>I loaded Knoppix prior, but when I discovered Debian's packaging system it seemed to make a lot of sense
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03:10<kenyon>You don't need the CDs (except possibly for initial install) if you have a decent internet connection.
03:10*grimpirate doesn't have decent internet connection
03:10<grimpirate>Which is why I downloaded the CDs
03:10<grimpirate>At someone else's place
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03:11<grimpirate>So once I scan the CDs using "apt-cdrom add"
03:11<ml|>not even to install a package or two after initial install?
03:11<grimpirate>"apt get install synaptic" will set me on my way right?
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03:11<grimpirate>Not even ml|
03:11<grimpirate>Its just a stand alone computer that I'm trying to revive with something useful on it
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03:12<Lothain>jm_ & al. : Here's the correct Xorg log:
03:12<ml|>Lothain: did you get rid of driver and whatever you did before following the wiki?
03:12<Lothain>ml|: Yes, removed it all and started entirely over. All signs pointed to success until trying to reload X
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03:13<jm_>Lothain: it says backtarce at the end which indicates it crashed
03:13<ml|>did you use nvidia-xconfig after following the wiki?
03:13<Lothain>ml|: I tried but the same problem persisted
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03:14<jm_>grimpirate: yes
03:14<Lothain>ml|: Well, I "xconfigged," but it didn't get X working. It rewrote the xorg.conf file but X didn't like that one either
03:14<Lothain>jm_: Does that indicate a potential course of action?
03:16<jm_>Lothain: not really, perhaps try a newer nvidia driver, or try without the allowcomposite option
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03:17<ml|>Lothain: did you check if your card is supported?
03:17<Lothain>jm_ : The allowcomposite was an attempt to fix the problem itself. I don't believe there are newer nvidia drivers.
03:17<jm_>it is, the driver would say if it isn't
03:17<jm_>Lothain: there are, just not in lenny ;)
03:17<Lothain>ml| As of two days ago my card was supported
03:17<grimpirate>@jm_: thx a lot for your help
03:17<jm_>but it's simple to backport it
03:17<ppk>Lothain: if you let Xorg generate you a config file what driver does it pick? (X -configure)
03:17<grimpirate>I appreciate it
03:17<jm_>grimpirate: no worries
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03:18<chealer>Lothain: did you check the BTS?
03:18<paolo>wichi is the bestsolution to restore vlc with debian.multimedia repository in lenny?
03:18<Lothain>ppk: It leaves it unspecified. Under "Device" it lists only "Configured video device"
03:18<ml|>Lothain: after following the wiki, try this first run nvidia-xconfig, restart X, then in X su -c nvidia-settings and select the settings appropriate for the monitor and Save to X Configuration File <--- works for me
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03:18<Lothain>chealer: I did, but didn't find anything that seemed like my situation (perhaps due to my own ignorance)
03:19<Lothain>ml|: I'll try that, then try and expand my horizons w/ backporting as per jm_'s suggestion
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03:19<Lothain>(If the former fails to work)
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03:20<ml|>Lothain: maybe you missed a step on wiki page re-read it again and troubleshooting section might help
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03:21<ml|>paolo: restore?
03:22<Lothain>ml|: I'll go through it again before running xconfig. Just a shot in the dark, but could installing wine have broken it? The other possibility I can see is that the software updates updated my kernel, which according to the wiki requires reinstallation of the nvidia driver (but I'm not sure whether kernel upgrades...happen like that)
03:22<jm_>you can try rebuilding kernel module, but I don't think it'll help
03:22<paolo>ther was incompatibility between libraries of debian multimedia repository (marillat) and th official ones
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03:23<ml|>Lothain: no full install of driver needed like jm_ said is all that's needed after new kernel
03:24<ml|>paolo: are you trying to use both
03:24<paolo>yes of course...
03:24<chealer>Lothain: a missing kernel module wouldn't cause a crash
03:25<ml|>paolo: only use one other other
03:25<jm_>ok off for some time
03:25<paolo>i've pinned back to the official repo the imoportant libraries so now vlc works fine but kdenlive now is unable to be installed....
03:25<Lothain>I greatly appreciate all this fantastic advice; I'm going to restart X and see if xconfig worked this time, ;)
03:25<chealer>Lothain: check the system's integrity (debsums)
03:26<paolo>ml|: can i try to recompile it?
03:26<Lothain>chealer: I don't know what that means
03:26<chealer>Lothain: use debsums to verify that files under dpkg's control are not corrupt
03:27<ml|>paolo: did you try to use just vlc from dmmm?
03:27<ml|>it should work fine
03:27<paolo>what's dmmm?
03:27<Lothain>chealer: Are debsums... file sizes? Or a command? or...?
03:27<chealer>!tell Lothain about debsums
03:27<ml|>dpkg: tell paolo about dmm
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03:28<paolo>ah ok.... the vlc package isn't in debian-multimedia repo there are only libraries
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03:29<ml|>paolo: you sure, i use mplayer so would not know
03:30<paolo>yes i'm sure...
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03:30<paolo>another questione....
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03:31<paolo>if i try to install (pinning) vlc from testing it upgrades glibc package in lenny... Is it safely?
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03:33<ml|>dpkg: tell paolo about bpo
03:33<Lothain>chealer: debsums returned everything as "OK"
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03:35<paolo>yes i know about bpo but vlc isn't in backports.... I tried in past to backport by me vlc from testing.... but during compiling i had an error about permissions...
03:36<ml|>paolo: seems like if you want to use vlc you'll need to compile your self, check bpo if it's there, or install it by downloading the the needed debs
03:37<paolo>ok i'll try to compile.... I'll learn more in this way!
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03:38<ml|>gl this might help
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03:39<Lothain>ml| & jm_: nvidia-xconfig failed to work. Xorg.0.log: . Interestingly, nvidia-xconfig added another module, "Type1" ?
03:39<paolo>ml|: wow i'ts wonderful!!!!!!
03:39<ml|>and check the vlc site for more info
03:39<paolo>thank u very bvery very much
03:39<kenyon>Lothain: Type1 is for fonts
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03:41<Lothain>kenyon: I wonder why that would fail
03:42<chealer>Lothain: just to be sure, what does $ debsums -s; output?
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03:44<ml|>Lothain: so X didn't start?
03:46<Lothain>ml|: No. It seems to fail whenever "nvidia" is listed for "driver." "Glx" can be put under "module," compositing enabled, etc, and it's fine. But whenever nvidia is set as the driver it always fails. And what I don't understand (among other things) is that the short error log says just: "Module ramdac is already built in."
03:46<Lothain>ml| Though maybe that's irrelevant, =P
03:47<Lothain>chealer: I don't really understand what debsums -s told me.
03:47<ml|>Lothain: is the xorg.conf you are using the original before you started all this or one you modified?
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03:48<chealer>Lothain: what does $ debsums libgl1-mesa-glx; output after reinstalling libgl1-mesa-glx?
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03:49<chealer>Lothain: actually, just $ debsums -s libgl1-mesa-glx
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03:49<ml|>Lothain: that X log points to nvidia driver is installed and working, unless i'm missing something
03:49<Lothain>ml|: Timeline: X11 works, then stops working. I run the command dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg as per the recommendation in the xorg.conf comment section. X now works, nvidia doesn't. I download nvidia-xconfig, use it, x fails. I try commenting out various lines, and get it to work by commenting out #nvidia, and am now here
03:50<Lothain>chealer: On it
03:50<Lothain>chealer: debsums: can't open libgl1-mesa-glx file /usr/lib/nvidia/ (No such file or directory)
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03:51<Lothain>ml| : That's why I am confused. The only indication I have that the driver isn't working is that... it isn't working, ;)
03:51<ml|>Lothain: i would try with original xorg.conf the one that was there before you when down this road
03:52<ml|>and see if X starts
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03:53<chealer>Lothain: I don't think that explains your problems, but it looks like the nvidia driver lost one of libgl1-mesa-glx's file. what does COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l nvidia*; output?
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03:53<ml|>nvidia-settings is what you use to setup a new xorg.conf in this with nvidia driver
03:54<Lothain>ml| : When I try to run nvidia-settings it tells me the driver is not installed
03:55<ml|>Lothain: well X needs to be running why i suggested you try with original xorg.conf
03:55<Lothain>ml| From what I can tell nvidia-settings requires X to have loaded with the nvidia driver, which I can't seem to get it to do. Am I wrong there?
03:56<chealer>Lothain: what does $ ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/; dpkg-divert; output?
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03:57<chealer>Lothain: sorry, dpkg-divert --list
03:57<ml|>right, but X doesn't start, is why i think it might something to do with xorg.conf, but i could be wrong
03:59<ml|>did you reboot after installing nvidia driver, if you didn't and nothing else works might try that to rule it out
03:59<Lothain>dpkg-divert: command not found; ls -l... :
04:00<Lothain>ml|: That's a good idea. I don't think I have actually rebooted since installing it.
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04:00<ml|>it's worth a shot
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04:02<Lothain>chealer: Should I reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx?
04:02<chealer>Lothain: I think so, but not again right now
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04:06<chealer>Lothain: sorry... try removing nvidia-glx, # rm /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*; then reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx, then install again nvidia-glx
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04:06<chealer>Lothain: run dpkg-divert as root theen
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04:07<chealer>Lothain: that is, a 4 steps procedure
04:07<R1ck>hi... ever since upgrading etch to lenny, sometimes our apache2 fails to reload with the error: PHP Fatal error: Unable to start mysql module in Unknown on line 0
04:08<R1ck>anyone familiar with this?
04:08<Lothain>chealer: Right. Uninstall nvidia, uninstall libmesa, install libmesa, install nvidia; right?
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04:09<chealer>Lothain: 1. Remove nvidia-glx. 2. Run # rm /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]* 3. Reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx. 4. Install again nvidia-glx
04:10<chealer>Lothain: all steps are done with the package manager, except step 2. step 2 isn't exactly uninstalling libmesa, but something like that.
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04:10<ml|>aptitude :)
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04:13<Lothain>dpkg-divert --list : ; I may have jumped the gun in that I did those steps with apt-get (remove, remove, install, install)... will that have negative consequences?
04:13<chealer>Lothain: what exactly did you do at step 2?
04:14<Lothain>apt-get remove libgl1-mesa-glx
04:15<Lothain>chealer: [/usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]* did not exist, btw]
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04:16<chealer>Lothain: what does $ ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/; output?
04:17<Lothain>I am going to attempt to restart X; brb
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04:20<Lothain>no luck their; thought removing nv driver might do something
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04:21<chealer>Lothain: are you sure about /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]* not existing? what does $ ls /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*; output?
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04:21<Lothain>chealer: I must have mis-copied the line originally. It gives: /usr/lib/nvidia/ /usr/lib/nvidia/
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04:22<Lothain>er, that is not accurate, one moment
04:22<chealer>Lothain: it's OK
04:23<Lothain>chealer: ok. I want to thank you for your help
04:23<Lothain>chealer: I feel like I must have done something quite stupid without realizing it, ;)
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04:25<chealer>Lothain: do that instead: 1. # apt-get remove nvidia-glx 2. # rm /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]* 3. # apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-glx 4. # apt-get install nvidia-glx 5. Paste $ ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*;'s output
04:25<stuckey>I'm still having trouble with my hp scanner; hp-makeuri doesn't work(though I don't understand why I need this), and scanimage says scanimage: no SANE devices found
04:26<stuckey>And "scanimage" says: scanimage: open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM1312_MFP?serial=00CNB8872H1M failed: Error during device I/O
04:26<chealer>Lothain: it's OK. nvidia-installer is known to break Debian systems and shouldn't be used, but Debian's nvidia packages are also buggy and probably adding to the confusion.
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04:27<stuckey>Installing nvidia drivers? That's a real pain.
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04:27<stuckey>Especially if the version you need isn't in stable.
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04:29<Lothain>what's most frustrating is that I got it working back in October without too much of a hassle... and all of a sudden it stops
04:29<stuckey>Does anyone know what the "hp-makeuri" command does?
04:30<dpkg>hello, dominique
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04:31<ml|>Lothain: did you upgrade thr kernel and this happened?
04:31<chealer>Lothain: gah. I'll ask you to do that again, but to stop after step 2 and to do step 5 then
04:32<Lothain>ml| Not knowingly. I did that little... er... orange-spark like auto-update thing.
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04:32<Lothain>chealer: Hehehehe ok.
04:34<Lothain>chealer: I don't think ls is necessary: Removing nvidia-glx ...
04:34<Lothain>rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/': No such file or directory
04:34<Lothain>chealer: Step 2: Alexandria:/home/tristan# rm /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*
04:34<Lothain>rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*': No such file or directory
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04:34<chealer>Lothain: "rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/': No such file or directory" is not too worrying
04:35<chealer>Lothain: you're running bash as root?
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04:35<ml|>Lothain: when updating your system, i think it's best to use aptitude or if you must apt-get not an auto-update thing, this way you know exactly what's happening to your system
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04:36<Lothain>chealer: I was there, =X
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04:36<chealer>Lothain: what do you mean?
04:37<Lothain>chealer: wait, I think I misunderstood your question: you're just asking whether I'm using the bash shell or...?
04:37<chealer>Lothain: yes
04:37<Lothain>ml| Sound advice
04:37<Lothain>chealer: As far as I know. I'm not really aware of the alternatives and, as I'm sure is evident, am quite the linux neophyte
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04:39<ml|>Lothain: what chealer was asking, if you are root
04:39<chealer>Lothain: OK. I want you to delete all files matching "/usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*" but it looks like we're having a shell syntax issue. what does # rm /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*; ls /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*; output?
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04:40<Lothain>rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*': No such file or directory
04:40<Lothain>ls: cannot access /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*: No such file or directory
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04:42<Lothain>ml| I am root; should I universally used sudo instead? I don't think I understand how to define user privileges fully: I'm often running commands as root which before I hardly new existed and so couldn't define them in sudoers.
04:42<ml|>root is fine
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04:43<ml|>you can setup sudo if you like, it's not by default and becareful only use root as neeeded
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04:45<chealer>Lothain: so you're telling me that ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*; shows 4 files when run as a user, but "No such file or directory" as root?
04:45<mohammed>ls -l
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04:46<Tenguch>hello world
04:46<Tenguch>I have a "little" problem while using preceed installation...
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04:46<Lothain>chealer: At present, the directory "usr/lib/nvidia" doesn't exist. I think it did exist at an earlier time before I had removed either/both nvidia-glx & libgl1-mesa-glx. But that's an ignorant guess.
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04:47<Tenguch>installing through PXE on a dell laptop, it asks me for proprietary firmwares, even if I put "d-i hw-detect/load_firmware boolean false" in my preceed file...
04:47<Tenguch>any idea ?
04:47<Lothain>chealer: Oh, and it doesn't exist either for root or user
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04:48<chealer>Lothain: hum. you're talking about "/usr/lib/nvidia/", right?
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04:48<Lothain>chealer: my mistake, yes.
04:48<kenyon>Tenguch: I have that line commented out in my preseed file, and the question is not asked.
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04:49<Tenguch>kenyon: hmmmm. is there a way to debug it ?
04:49<Tenguch>kenyon: you're using lenny ?
04:49<Tenguch>(should have say it before, sorry)
04:49<Lothain>chealer & ml|: Have an address so I can send you two a care package for offering such patient help?
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04:49<kenyon>Tenguch: actually the preseed is for ubuntu
04:50<ml|>Lothain: not needed thank you :)
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04:51<chealer>Lothain: that's possible. in that case, please continue the steps (3 and 4), and tell me after which step the file /usr/lib/nvidia/ (which points to is restored.
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04:51<Tenguch>kenyon: ok... well.... as I took this line from a generated preceed from a the very same laptop, under the very same version...
04:51<Tenguch>it _should_ work
04:52<chealer>Lothain: just something to put on my wish list for next Christmas would be sufficient.
04:52<kenyon>kenyon: yeah, I don't know. I started with the example from the manual
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04:53<ml|>kenyon: heh talking to your self? hehe
04:53<kenyon>ml|: wow, it's too late, LOL. I'm off to bed.
04:53<ml|>lol gn
04:53<chealer>Lothain: also, I'm not sure I'm on the real problem. there's something fishy, but it may be unrelated.
04:54<Lothain>chealer: /usr/lib/nvidia/ is created after Step 4, "apt-get install nvidia-glx"
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04:55<Lothain>anywho, I should be getting to sleep myself; nearly four am. Thankfully the lack of openGL is probably helping me get more work done anyway, ;)
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04:56<Lothain>Counter-Strike isn't my field of research, ;)
04:56<s_i_m>are here any "lucky" owners of BCM4311 wlan chip?
04:56<chealer>Lothain: is /usr/lib/nvidia/ still a broken symlink to
04:57<Lothain>chealer: How can I check?
04:58<chealer>Lothain: run ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/; as a user. a broken symlink will show in red
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04:58<Lothain>chealer: Got it; Yes, it is still a broken like (though I don't know if it is to
04:58<gsimmons>s_i_m: Do you have a question concerning that chipset?
04:59<chealer>Lothain: also, what does $ ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/; output?
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05:00<s_i_m>gsimmon, i am trying to diagnose what could be the reason of repeating disconnects i am experiencing with it. I use b43 driver and fwcutter
05:00<chealer>Lothain: what does it output ( ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/
05:00<dominique_>hey do you know how to install backtrack on hard drive
05:01<s_i_m>gsimmon, i am on sid with 2.6.29
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05:01<Lothain>chealer: ^^^ Was your second Q. Your first:
05:01<chealer>Lothain: yeah
05:02<Lothain>chealer: Excuse me, that was your First
05:03<Lothain>chealer: Alexandria:/usr/lib/nvidia# ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/
05:03<Lothain>ls: cannot access /usr/lib/nvidia/ No such file or directory
05:03<s_i_m>gsimmons, with 2.6.26 the driver worked better, but with 2.6.29 I get a lot of TX errors and disconnects from the AP.
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05:04<chealer>Lothain: uh. you just told me that this file existed (you ran the same command and told me the result was red...)
05:04<gsimmons>dpkg: tell dominique_ -about backtrack
05:04<chealer>Lothain: "<chealer> Lothain: run ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/; as a user. a broken symlink will show in red"
05:05<Lothain>chealer: I'm not screwing with you!
05:05<Lothain>chealer: tristan@Alexandria:~$ ls /usr/lib/nvidia/lib[gG]*
05:05<chealer>Lothain: we're talking about that same file and command, so unless you did something, that file should still be there
05:05<Lothain>chealer: errr
05:05<chealer>Lothain: I don't doubt it
05:05<Lothain>chealer: I'll show you the two outputs on pastebin
05:06<chealer>Lothain: my bad
05:07<chealer>what does it output ( ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/
05:07<chealer>Lothain: (typo)
05:08<vfaronov>Hi. Is there a way to remotely, programmaticaly search the Debian package archive, other than screen-scraping packages.d.o?
05:09<Lothain>chealer: Oh, and is red
05:09<chealer>Lothain: OK. "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2009-06-09 15:52 /usr/lib/nvidia/ ->" tells you that /usr/lib/nvidia/ is still a symlink to
05:10<Lothain>chealer: symlink ?= link? broken link?
05:10<chealer>Lothain: no, a symlink is a symbolic link, which is broken when its target does not exist
05:10<s_i_m>gsimmons, I am on this half-broken wlan now, and I am not even sure that all my messages get to channel =)
05:10<Lothain>chealer: Ok.
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05:11<Tenguch>if someone can help me with my preceed file : my problem is, it keeps on asking me about proprietary firmwares...
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05:12<gsimmons>s_i_m: Is your connection significantly better when using the 2.6.26 kernel?
05:12<chealer>Lothain: you still have some nvidia-installer remains on your system, which seem to have partly "infected" nvidia-glx, since even deleting /usr/lib/nvidia/ restores it as a broken symlink after reinstalling nvidia-glx. you also have /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ which shouldn't be there. you can remove that, though I don't think that will help.
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05:13<Lothain>chealer: Any suggestions as to how to systematically dig up nvidia-installer remains? ;)
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05:14<chealer>Lothain: I didn't use nvidia-installer in years. you said you had done the normal uninstall, right? #nvidia may know better
05:15<Lothain>chealer: Ok. I will do that. For now I must get some sleep, but not before thanking you again for your patient and enlightening help!
05:15<s_i_m>gsimmons, yes, at least, it lasts for much longer time. but i still see some TX errors in the syslog.
05:15<Lothain>chealer: best of luck to you
05:15<chealer>Lothain: at this point I think it could take quite some time to fix, so you may come back mentionning that you used nvidia-installer on a system on which X now crashes when trying to start with the nvidia driver. there are unclean files in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ and /usr/lib/nvidia/
05:16<chealer>Lothain: good night
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05:16<s_i_m>gsimmons, and I also see that the b43 driver in 2.6.26 behaves differently: it sometimes switches on CST protection. The same driver in 2.6.29 does not do that at all.
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05:19<ml|>chealer: in Lothain's issue, wouldn't be easier just to backup data and do a fresh install?
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05:21<gsimmons>s_i_m: Try using 2.6.30-rc8 in trunk; /msg dpkg trunk kernel
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05:21<chealer>ml|: hopefully not. at least, I would like to know what is the problem if someone else were to get the same issue
05:22<ml|>yes that would be good to know, maybe he will get help from #nvidia fix his problem, comeback here and explain the fix
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05:24<ml|>never use nvidia's installer does it install alot of crap?
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05:26<chealer>ml|: I've rarely, if ever, seen users come back here with fix explanations. I'd assume #nvidia's fix would be a temporary one. but it costs nothing to hope :)
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05:26<chealer>ml|: the issue isn't the amount of crap installed, it's the way the crap is installed
05:27<ml|>oh, they should include an uninstaller, but that's problably asking to much
05:27<mistrynitesh>is kde-livecd available for version 5.01?
05:28<jm_>it does have uninstall option
05:28<chealer>what lacks is a restorer
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05:28<ml|>dpkg: tell mistrynitesh about debian live
05:29<chealer>s/lacks/is lacking/
05:30<ml|>in that case a backup before using that would save alot of time and pain fixing it
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05:32<ml|>or not use it to begin with unless you really need it
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05:32<chealer>yes... those that use nvidia-installer on Debian are usually just unaware of how they should proceed (and nvidia-installer's issues).
05:33<Tenguch>if someone can help me with my preceed file : my problem is, it keeps on asking me about proprietary firmwares...
05:34<ml|>true or that there is a debian way of using nvidia driver
05:35<jm_>Tenguch: there's a setting for that
05:35<jm_>ahh you do have it set
05:35<jm_>but your file is wrong
05:36<ml|>it's unfortunate most people don't bother to search\do some reading before messing with their system
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05:37<Tenguch>jm_: where's the error ?
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05:38<zxd>any reason why one would prefer to install i386 fresh lenny installation over x64 ?
05:38<zxd>are there still alot of packages missing from 64bit arch?
05:38<jm_>Tenguch: wait, I am checking, perhaps I am wrong
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05:39<Tenguch>jm_: thanks. in fact I wrote this file merging other thing I found on internet, read in our own preceed file [in my enterprise], reading some doc.... and so on :/
05:40<Tenguch>is there a way to check if a preceed file is correct (i.e. no syntax error, or maybe wrong value, wrong "type" (string/bool) ) ?
05:40<dominique>I want to mount a disk of System W95 Ext'd (LBA) Which -t option should i use?
05:40<Tenguch>dominique: -t vfat
05:40<dominique>doesn't work
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05:41<Tenguch>well. you mount a logical/primary drive, right? not an extended one... ?
05:41<jm_>Tenguch: it is OK, I remembered it wrong
05:41<dominique>"fdisk -l" lists the device as "W95 Ext'd (LBA)"
05:41<Tenguch>jm_: uh. weird.
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05:41<jm_>dominique: you don't need to specify -t
05:41<Tenguch>that's the only point of failure in my file
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05:42<dominique>jm_ it says "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
05:42<jm_>dominique: that means it couldn't be mounted with any one of the supported filesystems
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05:43<dominique>jm_ hmm... there must be some way...
05:43<ml|>zxd: generally if you need what x64 offers use it, if not go for i386
05:43<jm_>dominique: try file -k on it
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05:44<dominique>jm_ I didn't get that...
05:44<Tenguch>dominique: pastebin fdisk -l output...
05:44<laber>I hava a java file contains character and not character data. we can only see the not-character in hexedit ,not vi. i want to delete all the not-character data,so that i can compile the java file,how can i make it??
05:45<jm_>dominique: file -k /dev/sda1 for example
05:45<dominique>says "block special"
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05:47<jm_>right, try -sk
05:47<dominique>jm_ it says: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x7, starthead 1, startsector 46, 78136796 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x5, starthead 140, startsector 78136842, 3301374 sectors
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05:48<jm_>dominique: you did it on the entire disk I'd say, not on the partition
05:48<jm_>if you did the same with mount, well ...
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05:49<ml|>dpkg: tell zxd about amd64
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05:50<dominique>jm_ so how do I modify my mount command?
05:50<mistrynitesh>checked the debian-live project, but it gives link to only Debian 5.00
05:50<mistrynitesh>is there a possibility of finding a KDE LIve-CD for Debian 5.01? If not currently, whether anytime soon?
05:51<jm_>dominique: how would I possibly know? I have no idea what you typed so far, I have no idea how your partition table looks like
05:51<jm_>mistrynitesh: you can create your own
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05:52<dominique>jm_ it turns out that I've been trying to mount the wrong Device.
05:52<jm_>dominique: that's what I was trying to tell you
05:52<ml|>mistrynitesh: and i don't think there would be much difference anyways between 5.00 and 5.01
05:52<dominique>jm_ Anyways, I have two windows partitions (NTFS), 1 ext3 and 1 swap. I don't understand what the fifth one is...
05:53<mistrynitesh>jm_: I know, the problem is good internet. If a ready made version is available, I can direct the local vendor to the image-link
05:53<jm_>dominique: perhaps extended partition?
05:53<jm_>mistrynitesh: right
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05:55<dominique>thnx jm_ i found out what extended partition is... thnx.
05:56<mistrynitesh>so should I be waiting for the 5.01 version or ask the vendor to send the 5.00 version
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05:57<jm_>dominique: it's used to be able to have more than 4 partitions
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05:57<jm_>ok ...
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05:57<ml|>if you need it now get 5.00 if not wait and see when and 5.01 will be out
05:57<Tenguch>.... so it was an extended partition, as I said at the begining :D
05:58<Tenguch>jm_: so, for my preceed... I guess I'll use a grep in installer sources -.-
05:58<jm_>Tenguch: did you check if it says anything on other tty-s? it also has some debug options
05:58<mistrynitesh>ok... thanks!
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05:59<zxd>anyone know if it's later possible to change the passphrase used for encrypting a block device with cryptsetup without destroying the data
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06:00<azeem_>zxd: you can at least add other passphrases AFAIK
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06:00<azeem>zxd: but better read the documentation closely
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06:09<Tenguch>jm_: oh? debug? that can help. I'll check a bit later, for now I'm testing the whole installation.
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06:13<Tenguch>jm_: just to be sure : I just have to add DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 on PXE kernel boot ?
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06:15<dominique>hi! How do I set ntfs-3g setuid-root?
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06:16<jm_>Tenguch: you can check preseed file with debconf-set-selections -c, yes DEBCONF_DEBUG
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06:17<Tenguch>jm_: thanks a lot !
06:17<jm_>Tenguch: apparently there should be only one space between type and value so make sure you fix that
06:17<jm_>dominique: why would you?
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06:18<stuckey>Anyone here know how to use an hp-scanner?
06:18<Tenguch>oh, there was an error in fact :D
06:18<Tenguch>last line.
06:19<themill>stuckey: You should know by now -- you have a specific problem, ask a specific question. /msg dpkg ask
06:19<azeem>stuckey: the engineers who designed it would know, I'd hope
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06:19<dominique>jm_ I'm trying non-root users to be able to mount ntfs-3g drive. I've added the line to /etc/fstab, but it says Permisison denied...
06:20<dominique>jm_ the manual says "If ntfs-3g is set setuid-root then non-root users will be also able to mount volumes."
06:20<jm_>dominique: use keyword user or users
06:20<jm_>dominique: is there anything about it in README.Debian?
06:20<Tenguch>jm_: mmm. I'll check that
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06:22<stuckey>themill: I get this error when I run "scanimage": scanimage: open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM1312_MFP?serial=00CNB8872H1M failed: Error during device I/O
06:22<dominique>jm_ i dunno where to find the readme...
06:22<dominique>jm_ the manual is at
06:22<themill>stuckey: don't ask me -- ask the channel. I know nothing about HP scanners other than they have always "just worked" for me. I'm just encouraging you to ask a better question.
06:23<stuckey>I've been asking the channel.
06:23<stuckey>No one seems to know.
06:23<azeem>you didn't ask today
06:23<stuckey>azeem: 10:25 < stuckey> And "scanimage" says: scanimage: open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM1312_MFP?serial=00CNB8872H1M failed: Error during device I/O
06:24<themill>stuckey: "Anyone here know how to use an hp-scanner?" would have to be the most useless question you can ask though. I could just reply "yes, they just work" and that doesn't get you anywhere.
06:24<azeem>stuckey: did you ask HP?
06:24<azeem>stuckey: are you in the scanner group?
06:24<stuckey>I haven't asked HP yet
06:25<themill>stuckey: yesterday, you were going to pastebin the output of "hp-check" and "scanimage -L" (both run as root)
06:25<azeem>also, maybe try stracing it
06:25<jm_>dominique: /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>
06:25<stuckey>azeem: I'm running it as root
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06:25<badeagle>is there a quick and easy way to build a .deb package for a small app i made? perhaps even GUI tool?
06:26<azeem>badeagle: not really
06:26*badeagle cries.
06:26<dominique>jm_ nothing useful there.
06:26<jm_>dominique: what's the package name?
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06:27<jm_>badeagle: checkinstall makes it relatively easy
06:27<themill>badeagle: dh_make is a good start, but fundamentally you will have to do a fair amount of polishing to the packaging to make it a *good* package
06:27<enouf>IINM, users added to the fuse/fuser group can mount ntfs rw?
06:27<badeagle>i have a dh_make tutorial, but it is /so/ long
06:28<jm_>dominique: yeah it doesn't mention it, but changing suid bit will be overwritten when you upgrade the package
06:29<dominique>okay... how do i change the suid bit?
06:29<dominique>jm_ that's not a problem. I'll remember that.
06:29<jm_>dominique: so you think ;)
06:30<dominique>well, I sure hv remembered a lot of stuff i stumbled upon... hehe!!
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06:31<dominique>jm_ how do i change the suid bit?
06:32<enouf>dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 4755 /path/to/executable <-- jm_ would that override any upgrading changes?
06:32<jm_>dominique: see above
06:33<jm_>enouf: good one, I completely forgot about this - I think it would work yes
06:33<badeagle>... i don't understand or use makefile or configure scripts, and don't know how to package. i just call gcc from terminal. to learn to make good packages, where should i start learning?
06:33<jm_>badeagle: new maintainers guide
06:34<Tenguch>let's go for debug.
06:34<badeagle>jm_: ok, ty
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06:35<dominique>i typed "dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 4755 /usr/bin/ntfs-3gD" at the console, but nothing's changed.
06:35<dominique>i typed "dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 4755 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g" at the console, but nothing's changed.
06:35<themill>badeagle: there's no way you're going to be able to make a package without learning about makefiles, so you're going to need to do some reading on that front
06:35<jm_>dominique: this only applies when installing a package, you also need to chmod it now
06:35<jm_>my first package was created entirely without makefiles :)
06:36<dominique>i used apt to install it... do i have to chmod it to 4755?
06:36<themill>jm_: debian/rules?
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06:36<enouf>jm_: thanks, and welcome (using links2 -g in console mode as GUI made me recall to review /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian) .. and the dpkg-statoverride man page pointed me to /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride in which i noticed some other alterations i was unaware of
06:36<enouf>dominique: yes
06:37<dominique>i tried "chmod 4755 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g" still there's no change
06:37<stuckey>I'm trying to use an HP scanner. Here's output of "hp-check" and "scanimage -L":
06:37<stuckey>When I run "scanimage > image.png" I get "scanimage: open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM1312_MFP?serial=00CNB8872H1M failed: Error during device I/O"
06:37<enouf>dominique: change in what? you said it was a /etc/fstab issue?
06:37<jm_>themill: I used an existing package, only changed a few bits in there - I meant non-packaging created makefiles
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06:38<dominique>enouf: It's more an issue of ntfs-3g. The Permission denied error occurs only for ntfs-3g filesystems.
06:38<themill>jm_: right... so since debian/rules is a makefile you fundamentally need to understand a little about makefiles before you can do much. (e.g. if you don't understand that a Makefile needs tabs rather than spaces, you're going to be in trouble)
06:38<jm_>themill: absolutely
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06:39<jm_>themill: so your point was spot on, I simply forgot "rules" is a makefile
06:39<themill>!coffee jm_
06:39*dpkg decants a fine broth of hippy-blend Peruvian for jm_, courtesy of themill
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06:42<Tenguch>hmmm. using DEBCONF_DEBUG=5, I can see one special line : check-missing-firmware: no missing firmware in /tmp/missing-firmware; then net/hw-detect.hotplug finds my network interface eth0 lo, wlan0 and wmaster0. then, there's another call to missing-firmmware : check-missing-firmware: missing firmware files (iwlwifi...) for iwl3945
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06:43<Tenguch>then... mmm. INPUT high hw-detect/load_firmware question will be asked
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06:44<enouf>jm_: FWIW - the --update option in that dpkg-statoverride negates the need to apply a following "chmod ... /path/to/exe" .. just tested it here
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06:45<enouf>jm_: so .. i was mistaken as well when i told dominique_ "yes" when s/he asked if a chmod was necessary
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06:47<themill>stuckey: can you pastebin "SANE_DEBUG_HPAIO=5 scanimage -T"
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06:49<jm_>enouf: doesn't matter, won't hurt anyway
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06:50<Aleric>hmmm just did a apt-get upgrade ... system did hang... had to hard reset.. then my RAID array had a non-OK status ... had to continue dpgk install from interupted state etc...
06:50<Aleric>Is there a way to check every installed file on my system to verify every file of all packages is installed and is ok?
06:51<jm_>Aleric: debsums is as close as it gets
06:51<themill>stuckey: btw have you tried powercycling the scanner? computer?
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06:51<enouf>jm_: right - i also just found reverting the /usr/bin/file to more sane (or original perms) _does_ require a followup chmod to revert it back ... the --remove option took the entry out of the database file though
06:51<dr|z3d>Aleric: If "dpkg --configure -a" completes fine, you should be ok.
06:51<stuckey>themill: I've powercycled the scanner but not the computer.
06:52<Aleric>dr|z3d: it did
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06:55<Tenguch>jm_: passing this option to kernel works : hw-detect/load_firmware=false
06:55<Tenguch>jm_: but when it's in preseed file.... FAILED.
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06:55<Tenguch>that's a bit tricky.
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06:56<enouf>does "/msg dpkg installer firmware" help at all?
06:56<jm_>Tenguch: check if debug reveals anything
06:56<jm_>enouf: he wants to get rid of the question via pre-seeding
06:56<Tenguch>jm_: I copied some stuff later
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06:57<enouf>jm_: oh .. i misunderstood then
06:57<Tenguch>jm_: """hmmm. using DEBCONF_DEBUG=5, I can see one special line : check-missing-firmware: no missing firmware in /tmp/missing-firmware; then net/hw-detect.hotplug finds my network interface eth0 lo, wlan0 and wmaster0. then, there's another call to missing-firmmware : check-missing-firmware: missing firmware files (iwlwifi...) for iwl3945"""
06:57<Tenguch>jm_: """then... mmm. INPUT high hw-detect/load_firmware question will be asked"""
06:57<Tenguch>that was before I add this option to kernel line
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07:00<Tenguch>jm_: and now, instead of "question will be asked", I have "question skipped". I guess that's ok.
07:00<Tenguch>now the question is : why do I have to pass this option to kernel...
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07:02<enouf>Tenguch: this might have some useful info ...yet, your last question seems a bit odd to me - my answer would likely be; "that's how the scripts work"
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07:03<Aleric>I have missing files for ... capplets-data, gnome-settings-daemon, nautilus-cd-burner, samba, and the nvidia kernel module is missing.. but nothing alarming.
07:03<Tenguch>enouf: shouldn't work like that... I write a preseed.cfg file, I think it's enough. I shouldn't have to give preseed options to kernel, as it's already written in the preseed file...
07:03<enouf>Tenguch: oh .. i see, you think it's not obeying your preseed.cfg then .. hrmmm
07:04<Tenguch>it's not obeying for this only thing in fact
07:04<Tenguch>I don't understand why.
07:04<Aleric>Oh wait... debsums printed 68 lines with a non-OK status
07:04<Tenguch>syntax is correct -.-
07:04<enouf>Tenguch: is it possibly pxe/tftp related?
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07:05<Tenguch>hm... as all the rest of the preseed file is taken...
07:05<Tenguch>I doubt
07:05<Tenguch>now it's partitionning my drive, installing packages and doing all what preseed says
07:05<Tenguch>that's why it's weird. really weird
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07:06<enouf>well .. loading/asking/installing "firmware" is/has been a tricky thing .. many many changes - many non-free things .. i have no idea though what the issue is
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07:07<Tenguch>enouf: yeah, I read a bit on kernel ML
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07:07<Tenguch>but it's ok, I can do it this way. if I have time, I'll see on bugtracker and maybe open/comment out a bug.
07:07<enouf>i suppose the installer's BOOT_DEBUG=N is of no use, since the issue happens even prior to that?
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07:09<s_i_m>gsimmons, tried 2.6.30 from the trunk with no luck =( same disconnects. i guess i will have to stay with 2.6.26.
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07:10<Tenguch>enouf: mmm, maybe it can help... I'll check that after this installation [as it's working fine now, I want to see what happens later)
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07:16<el_isma>Hello. Help! my dpkg is broken! Don't have any idea how to fix it
07:17<enouf>Tenguch: is the firmware the only thing in non-free? or is it that firmware even part of non-free? and do you have something like--> 'base-config apt-setup/non-free true' in your preseed.cfg?
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07:17<enouf>Tenguch: just poking about philip hands' site -- looking at certain things
07:18<Tenguch>enouf: yeah, I have this line in my preseed; and yeah, seems to be the only thing from non-free at this point of installation.
07:18<gsimmons>dpkg: tell el_isma -about localized errors
07:18<ffws>el_isma: would be nice to read this in en
07:19<gsimmons>enouf: See also bug #519382 in the BTS.
07:19<gsimmons>el_isma: ^^^
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07:21<enouf>gsimmons: ahh .. mistab ;0 ,, i was like; well, what about "dpkg: error processing python-ropemacs (--configure)" heh ;-P
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07:21<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
07:21<gsimmons>enouf: Sorry about that. :)
07:21<enouf>not a prob at all - i do it all the time ;-)
07:23<Tenguch>enouf: if you want to see my preseed :
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07:28<Aleric>After my last apt-get update, I cannot connect anymore to the sourceforge svn server.
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07:28<Aleric>hikaru:~/tmp>svn co libcwd
07:28<Aleric>svn: OPTIONS of '': could not connect to server (
07:28<Aleric>This same command still works from another PC.
07:28<Aleric>Anyone an idea why this stopped working?
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07:30<enouf>Aleric: odd .. an "apt-get update" would only update your local cache
07:30<Aleric>and upgrade, sorry
07:30<Aleric>dist-upgrade even
07:31<enouf>Tenguch: nice of you to post - though i probably can't help
07:31<locklace>!dbugs 531338
07:31<dpkg>DONE:#531338:N[subversion] svn: OPTIONS of 'http://...': could not connect to server (http://...) (); Sun, 31 May 2009 17:27:01 UTC []
07:32<enouf>Aleric: ahh .. well, check your network settings/config? i mean, that's a real generalization .. but
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07:34<Tenguch>enouf: no problem. for now, it's ok
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07:34<Tenguch>thanks for your concerne :)
07:36<Aleric>Yes, thanks - locklace too. Apparently I need to upgrade libneon27 and libneon27-gnutls from unstable.
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07:37<Yoda-BZH`Wk>err, didn't see locklace command =)
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07:40<Aleric>Something else that stopped working...
07:40<Aleric>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
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07:43<Aleric>I guess this is my problem: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use.
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07:44<Aleric>something is using sound... but what :/
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07:48<locklace>Aleric: you can try something like "lsof /dev/snd/*"
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07:50<el_isma>gsimmons, ffws, sorry! here's in english:
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07:51<themill>!list alsa users
07:51<dpkg>To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer
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07:52<locklace>now there's a pretty command
07:53<Tenguch>uho oO
07:53<Tenguch>that's a nice one-liner
07:53<Aleric>locklace: Thanks :) ... it was pulseaudio ..
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07:54<Aleric>Yay! I got sound again
07:54<locklace>!congratulate Aleric
07:54<dpkg>Huzzah Aleric, you did it!
07:55<themill>It's the one-liner from hell.... I do like how it can be replaced by "fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer" instead :)
07:56<themill>(actually, if it weren't for limitations in the infobot, it could be simplified a little)
07:56<gsimmons>el_isma: You would want to use the workaround ( provided by the package maintainer to install this version of python-ropemacs.
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08:16<MotoHoss>I can't ping the local network I just reconnected from this box. The other boxes can ping this one...
08:17<MotoHoss>I can't remember what to do... to fix it. (Combo of some serious surgery and 'CRS')...
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08:38<enouf>MotoHoss: does 'route' and 'arp' show proper output?
08:38<enouf>oh .. a goner
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08:42<el_isma>gsimmons: thanks! After a while I got it to work.
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08:43<gsimmons>el_isma: Good to hear. With 2.6.29 or 2.6.30-rc8?
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08:43<gsimmons>el_isma: Uh, disregard the kernel versions.
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09:19<junix>when doing a netinstall of etchnhalf, how long should i be waiting for APT to catalog everything??
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09:21<jm_>why are you still using etch?
09:21<vasconcelos>bruno vasconcelos magalhaes
09:21<@Ganneff>why not, its still supported.
09:21<jm_>it will soon have to be upgraded (FSVO soon)
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09:38<ao2>hi, can anyoune help me with querying? I would like to get a list of all bug reports I contributed (either as a submitter or as a commentator), I tried to search using the "mail from" field but it does not get all bug reports
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09:56<simNIX>after I switched some nic's around my Debian sees eth2 as eth2_rename_ren - So i countered with in /etc/udev/rules.d/010_netinterfaces.rules a KERNEL="eth*",SYSFS{address}=="00:50:04:ec:4d:d1",NAME="eth2" and the same line with there mac for eth0 and eth1 - but still after a reboot I only have a eth2_rename_ren - does someone see where I go wrong ?
09:57<simNIX>this is my 1st udev rule ...
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10:00<zxd>is there a debian package that disables /etc/init.d/hwclock these are not needed when running xen domu correct?
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10:15<alys>Have I missed something? I installed libdvdccs2 but I cannot play DVDs in gxine, vlc or totem. Any ideas, please?
10:15<themill>dpkg, dvd playback
10:15<dpkg>To play DVDs, you need some media playing software (ask me about <dvd> for some suggestions on viewers). You will also need libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 w32codecs some of which are in <> (see <libdvdcss> <w32codecs>). You will also need to set a region on your DVD player if you have never done so before using regionset. Also ask me about <dvd playback troubleshooting>.
10:16<alys>Thanks a lot - I haven't gotten most of those
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10:18<vvas>alys: getting the packages from the repository is usually the easiest option
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10:19<alys>Yes - I am downloading with aptitude, now - thanks
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10:21<Purple_Stuff>Hey, anyone have some experience with samba and AD ?
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10:23<Purple_Stuff>I configured everything right , net ads testjoin work fine but net ads join -U administrator gives me and error
10:23<Purple_Stuff> kerberos_kinit_password DEBIANBUG$@domain.CO.IL failed: Preauthentication failed
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10:26<alys>I have downloaded and installed all the multimedia packages and still I cannot play a DVD. Ah well....
10:26<alys>how do I use 'regionset'?
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10:27<dr|z3d>alys: 'man regionset' would be a good place to start
10:28<dr|z3d>(or regionset --help)
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10:32<johnfg>hi folks
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10:34<johnfg>I'm trying to ssh from a win xp box to my debian server. I can ssh to the server fine from linux, but I get this message from putty: Network error: Connection timed out
10:34<johnfg>Anyone know how to fix this?
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10:36<acidlover>Hello, I am a debian newb and want to install debian, my question to this is, which architecture is the corect one for an older sempron ?
10:36<bja>if it is 32 bits, normal one, if it is 64 then amd64
10:36<stew>acidlover: i386
10:37<acidlover>thx a lot!
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10:40<johnfg>I checked and the port 22 for ssh is open, and sshd is running. Any help from anyone?
10:40<Purple_Stuff>umm, how can I test if the linux box joined the domain ?
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10:41<petemc>johnfg: how did you check port 22 was open?
10:41<dr|z3d>johnfg: Check the firewall on the winbox.
10:42<johnfg>petemc, network tools - port scan on the ip.
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10:43<bja>johnfg: on what machine?
10:43<petemc>johnfg: from xp, can you telnet to port 22 of the linux box?
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10:44<johnfg>petemc, No, because I'm running kerberos, so telnet client in windows doesn't know how to encrypt the connection.
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10:45<bja>johnfg: Doesn't matter, it is needed to check the accesability of the port
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10:45<johnfg>petemc, Just a sec, I didn't notice that you said port 22. Let me give that a try.
10:46<dr|z3d>johnfg: If you have putty around, you might use that instead.
10:47<johnfg>bja, petemc, When I telnet from the win xp box to port 22, it comes back with, as I expected, telnetd: Authorization failed.
10:47<johnfg>And I was using putty for ssh from windows.
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10:48<petemc>johnfg: telnetd?
10:48<dr|z3d>Telnet won't support the key exchange.. try putty again, johnfg
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10:48<bja>johnfg: then check you win firewall and allow putty to make external connections
10:48<dr|z3d>"Authorization failed" = port's open.
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10:49<bja>johnfg: for some reason your win machine doesn't allow the putty to connect. :( (one reason i dropped xp long ago)
10:50<johnfg>bja, Believe me, if I didn't need these xp machines at the church I pastor, I'd have dropped them long ago.
10:50<dr|z3d>Firewall is the most likely reason.
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10:50<johnfg>I've had to keep it around since att sysv!
10:50<petemc>johnfg: what are you trying to connect to?
10:51<johnfg>My debian server.
10:51<johnfg>petemc, Yup, via putty.
10:51<petemc>so whats with telnetd?
10:52<bja>petemc: usually telnet is not restricted on xp machines :)
10:53<dr|z3d>johnfg: If you're just relying on Windows Firewall, make sure you hav ean exclusion for putty. If not, check your other firewall.
10:53<johnfg>If I could get ktelnet to work on the win box, then I could connect and have a kerberos authentication.
10:53<dr|z3d>Outbound traffic _shouldn't_ be blocked, but sometimes it does.
10:54<johnfg>dr|z3d, I've got kaspersky on the win box, and It's configured to let ssh in and out.
10:55<petemc>ive seen kaspersky allow connections from the local network, but not allow connections forwarded from outside
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10:56<johnfg>I can telnet into the win box with no problems.
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10:56<petemc>using kerberos for auth, does ssh not display a banner?
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10:57<petemc>as telneting to port 22 and getting a banner is the usual check to see if ssh connections work
10:57<johnfg>Nope, I don't.
10:58<johnfg>I should just be doing from the win box: telnet, right?
10:58<petemc>telnet host 22
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10:58<petemc>if you're using software firewalls, its probably them blocking your connection
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11:02<johnfg>hey guys, how can I make sure, manually, that port 22 is open on this debian server?
11:03<petern>well you could try to ... connect ... to it
11:03<@Ganneff>netstat -tulpen|grep 22, telnet localhost 22, ssh localhost
11:03<johnfg>I get the message back from telnet: Could not open connection to the host, on port 22: Connect failed.
11:03<acidlover>didnt you say that it worked with another linux?
11:04<acidlover>so it shouldnt be a server-side-problem
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11:05<johnfg>acidlover, Yes, I did, and I do get the banner when I do telnet localhost 22 from linux.
11:06<acidlover>so listen to the people trying to help you an dshutdown, for a test, all your firewalls and so on and take a look what happens
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11:07<johnfg>acidlover, Right, I have and am listened/listening, have paused protection on the win box, but still getting nothing connected.
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11:08<bja>johnfg: Can you look at the logs on debian machine?
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11:09<johnfg>Yeah, I guess I should look at them. Which would be best?
11:09<bja>johnfg: /var/log/auth.log
11:10<johnfg>I at least can ping the debian machine from windows.
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11:12<johnfg>Nothing in the auth.log.
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11:12<johnfg>I mean nothing of relevance.
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11:13<bja>johnfg: Then definetely its your win machine, besides the firewall there might be some other program avoiding the connection. Sorry can't help you there any more
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11:15<CraiZE>is there something like apt-search ?
11:15<bja>johnfg: One last thing from the server side, If you have recently changed server keys, those could prevent the client from connecting, as the known key and the actual one differ.
11:15<bja>johnfg: Try removing any known host on putty that might work
11:16<Torsten_W>CraiZE, there? where?
11:16<johnfg>bja, et al, thanks for the good try, I'll keep plugging away, and If I find anything noteworthy, I'll come back.
11:16<petemc>CraiZE: apt-cache search
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11:17<CraiZE>ty :P
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11:21<acidlover>I try to isntall Debian sinc... 2 weeks or so, it just keeps hevin corrupt files or just stop and doin nothing anymore. At first I blamed my old cd-burner co I boaught a new one, still not working to the end, meanwhile i downloaded debian a bunch of times but with no positiv effects
11:21<acidlover>it seems random where the isntall crashes
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11:22<acidlover>but mostly while doing something with "mand-db"
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11:22<acidlover>its very annoying and Im close to throw it in a corner and cry ^^
11:23<acidlover>I even changed the IDE cable from the cd-drive
11:24<johnfg>acidlover, So have you verified your install image? And how did you download it?
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11:24<acidlover>google -> debian -> klick the first link -> get debian -> http/ftp -> stable i386 version
11:25<acidlover>well cd 1^
11:25<johnfg>Do you have the ability to download it with some kind of torrent app?
11:25<acidlover>saved it and then burned the image on a cd
11:25<acidlover>i have a torrent client and can use it
11:25<johnfg>The torrent is checked, I think, pretty much byte by byte.
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11:26<dr|z3d>acidlover: If as johnfg suggests, you can download with bittorrent and point the download to your existing iso, then you'll get a checksum.
11:26<johnfg>I would download it that way, then check the sums on it, either md5sum, or sha, whatever.
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11:27<johnfg>dr|z3d, is right, and the torrent should be able to fix any missing bytes; right dr|z3d ?
11:27<dr|z3d>A bittorrent download can also "repair" a corrupt iso, indeed.
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11:27<johnfg>Make sure you verify the burned iso as well.
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11:27<acidlover>second time someone sied "verify"
11:28<acidlover>and my brains like -> wtf?
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11:28<acidlover>sied = said
11:28<dr|z3d>Verify the download, verify the burnt image. All normal.
11:28<acidlover>no its not
11:28<acidlover>i have no idea what you mean
11:29<acidlover>maybe its a language problem, english is not my motherlanguage
11:29<johnfg>OK, verify the checksum on the downloaded image, first. The bittorrent client should be able to do this.
11:29<bja>acidlover: which is ?
11:29<dr|z3d>Verify the download's not currupt with bittorrent or other means. Verify the burn's intact by opting to verify the burnt image in your mastering app.
11:29<acidlover>i got it
11:29<bja>if you feel more confortable in german there is also a
11:30<johnfg>Next, when you endeavor to install debian, it will ask if you want to verify the cd/dvd. Say, jawohl!
11:30<bja>acidlover: Anyway take a look here ""
11:31<acidlover>"Answer is quite simple use md5sum command to compute and check MD5 message digest."
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11:32<acidlover>really easy without any linux-like machine around
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11:35<acidlover>thats great i scrolled till if found something für cheksum om xp
11:35<acidlover>but the downloadside is under reconstruction
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11:36<turma81_>vao se ferrrrar
11:36<turma81>qula e
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11:37<turma81>fuck you
11:37<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
11:37<dr|z3d>!ops turma81 needs a hand out.
11:37<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: turma81 needs a hand out.
11:37<RichiH>turma81: can we help you?
11:37-!-mode/#debian [+o Myon] by ChanServ
11:37<RichiH>or that
11:37-!-mode/#debian [+q-o turma81!*@* Myon] by Myon
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11:38<turma81_>yess,i'm ddoing a fuck work about hpv
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11:38<Myon>rockstar: you might want to fix your client
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11:38<junix>is there a problem with the germany debian mirror?? its says its going to take 1day for the files to download for Ethcnhalf
11:39<dr|z3d>junix: Try another mirror, in that case. You can use Synaptic to pick the fastest mirror.
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11:39<junix>dr|z3d: i'm doing the install....
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11:40<dr|z3d>junix: Ah. Don't know if you can specify another mirror mid-install.
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11:41<junix>maybe i'll start the install over, YAY
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11:55<miguel>how do i activate the tv-out of my nvidia card?
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11:57<zxd>point at the card and say - TV OUT ACTIVATE!
11:57<cahoot>xrandr I'd say unless you use nvidia's drivers - if that's the case google
11:58<bja>zxd: first take your magic wand out, or else it may back fire
11:59<miguel>i use nvidia drivers indeed
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12:10<miguel>i have now my tv as separate X screen, and i see the xfce background on it
12:10<miguel>but i have no idea how to ACCESS it....
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12:11<CraiZE>I am installing an app (glftpd), and during install, it tells me: Searching . . . Failed! - Question... where do I get the file from?
12:11<Kjetil>just move your cursor to the edge of the screen in some direction ?
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12:13<miguel>nah, that makes me swap desktops on my normal screen
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12:15<paolo>chi mi può dire perchè con vuze posso scaricare e vedere qualsiasi file audio,ma pur avendo tutti i video player di sto mondo non riesco a vedere un filmato perchè un messaggio di avviso mi dice "il percorso non è esatto?" vi ringrazio Paolo
12:15<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:16<acidlover>very amusing how you react here
12:16<bja>koollman: beat me by 1 sec
12:17<bja>acidlover: I can't help you in german. But i'll do my best in English
12:17<koollman>acidlover: well, I don't read italian very well, and can't write it at all. So it's the best I can do to help :)
12:17<acidlover>i hope the torrent will solve my problems
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12:18<acidlover>its great reaction kollman but for me, as this all is very new to me it sometimes is funny
12:18<acidlover>dont know why ;)
12:18<koollman>I can understand that. In time, you will react greatly too :)
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12:19<acidlover>a guy comes in a room talkin a lot of freaking stuff and two guys step forward and just wave ther arms to the italian vorner of the pub ^^
12:19<acidlover>and its corner
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12:27<OdyX>acidlover: think it as a crowd of english speaking person not understanding italian - speaking out loud and discussing. A non-english speaking guy comes in and asks something in an undecypherable language - One notices its italian and points him to the italian corner, where he'll get better help
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12:28<OdyX>its easier and faster to directly point to !it than to first say "here we speak english"…
12:28<patrikf>acidlover: I find that a very charming analogy for the channel :)
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12:32<bja>acidlover: You've yet to meet the partime owner he he
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12:33<acidlover>which one might that be? ^^
12:34<acidlover>my torrent is through I will report the new error message when done ;)
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12:36<stuckey>I'm unable to run scanimage; when I do I get this error: scanimage: open of device hpaio:/usb/HP_Color_LaserJet_CM1312_MFP?serial=00CNB8872H1M failed: Error during device I/O
12:36<emeraude>salut tout le monde
12:37<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
12:37<emeraude>c'est un salon en anglais ici ?
12:37<emeraude>ok thank you very mutch :)
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12:52<narendra>how are you
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13:04<stuckey>How do I use subtitles with mplayer? I have a .srt file but it doesn't load automatically with the film.
13:05<jackyf>stuckey: does it have the same filename?
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13:10<stuckey>jackyf: no
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13:11<jackyf>stuckey: rename it to be so
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13:14<stuckey>jackyf: Is there a way to change languages in the subtitles? If they were to exist...
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13:14<dkr>stuckey: there is a key to switch subtitle tracks. I forget what it is though
13:14<jackyf>stuckey: yeah, options '-sid', '-slang'
13:14<dkr>maybe "v"
13:15<idbgthusiexist>I was looking for some advice. When I install Debian Lenny on a Dell PoweEdge 1950 (same happens in Etch), during the netinstall, for some reason, it assigns my SCSI hard drive to /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sda . This screws up the boot once it's installed and makes it virtually impossible to install with LVM+Encryption
13:15<dkr>ah, v turns them on or off, 'j' to cycle through different ones
13:16<idbgthusiexist>Is there any boot parameter or something to get the OS to correct the way it's picking up the drive assignment?
13:16<mrnice`_>hi, i got a problem, i want to start my systemdisk from sata instead of pata. i got dmcrypt running, now cryptsetup cant find the source device /dev/hda2 which is now sda2, some ideas how to acomplish that? i
13:17<dkr>idbgthusiexist: you can put an entry somewhere in /etc/udev/preferences to assign the device name
13:17<idbgthusiexist>dkr: at what point?
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13:17<dkr>idbgthusiexist: hrm, although that would be after the system boots, maybe you do need a kernel parameter
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13:18<idbgthusiexist>dkr: ya, just don't know what i should google for. this bugs been driving me nuts for a long time now :)
13:18<dkr>I know you can setup a device map with grub
13:18<patrikf>idbgthusiexist: just refer to the partitions by either a FS label, or by their logical volume name if you're using LVM anyway...
13:19<dkr> /boot/grub/
13:20<idbgthusiexist>patrikf: not as easy as that. you need to update your initramfs as well, but since everything is encrypted, i cant access it. tried dmcrypt, when it drops to busybox on the post-install boot, but was unable to mount that darned thing
13:20<dkr>mrnice`_: actually, the grub might be useful for your problem, too. oddly enough. I don't have experience with encrypted partitions though, which is why i avoided your qeustioni nthe firs tplace/ :)
13:20<mrnice`_>dkr, thx for the tip:)
13:21<idbgthusiexist>dkr: :p
13:21<patrikf>idbgthusiexist: right, missed the part with dmcrypt
13:21<idbgthusiexist>dkr: fair enuf, i'm unfoprtunately stuck with it :\
13:21<mrnice`_>dkr, also my first time, and a bit stressy, i want to go to a lan party with new maschine :)
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13:22<patrikf>idbgthusiexist: I'd just change everything to sdb though and be happy.
13:23<idbgthusiexist>yeh, unfortunately, grub detects it as /dev/sda on reboot and then lvm gets all confused and cant mount the volume group
13:24<patrikf>idbgthusiexist: grub has no notion of /dev/sda at all. (hd0) maybe.
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13:24<patrikf>if grub and the kernel disagree on the order of your harddrives, that sounds weird, but it shouldn't confuse the lvm at all
13:25<bja>idbgthusiexist: Would persistent names be a solution?
13:25<idbgthusiexist>patrikf: true. but it just seems to, nevertheless
13:25<patrikf>idbgthusiexist: maybe someone could help you if you defined "confuses lvm"
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13:26<idbgthusiexist>k, when i install, it sees it as /dev/sdb. then i do lvs+encryption. on reboot, it halts with the message:
13:27<idbgthusiexist>well, something like this (i'm rebooting the server now to get the precise error)
13:27<idbgthusiexist><blabla> volume group not found
13:27<idbgthusiexist>and drops top busy box
13:27<idbgthusiexist>but i'll get the precise message in a moment and pastebin it
13:28<patrikf>hmm. is it LVM inside a crypted partition or a crypted logical volume?
13:29<idbgthusiexist>patrikf: i think its crypted first, with the logical volumes inside
13:30<jrabbit>Does anyone have experince with HFS+ partitions and debian do they play along nicely?
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13:31<idbgthusiexist>i tried a while ago to run dmcrypt to decrypt it in busybox and then exit to continue the boot process and then fix initramfs after all is said and done, but in the lastest lenny, i can't get further than decrypting it... it still doesn't find the volume group after decrypting
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13:33<patrikf>idbgthusiexist: you could try with some live system (e.g.
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13:33<idbgthusiexist>patrikf: wil have a look, i have to leave now, but thanks for your suggestions... to be continued... ;)
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13:38<acidlover>well... installation of debian workt nicely with the torrent-data until software installation step in general and starting man-db in special
13:39<acidlover>then it says installation step failed
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13:39<acidlover>i really start thinking that this man-db doenst like me
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13:42<acidlover>what is this man-db?
13:42<acidlover>and is there somethin special so it can be a problem
13:42<dr|z3d>acidlover: type from a terminal: man man
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13:42<patrikf>acidlover: if you want assistance, please paste the exact output to a pastebin
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13:45<acidlover>it looks like a standard failure message called "Installation step failed" to me
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14:03<mrnice`>how can i disable X-start with a kernel parameter?
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14:04<cahoot>possibly nox
14:05<bja>mrnice`: afaik x is started on the specific runlevel you are enterinv via a startup script.
14:05<mrnice`>bja, normal startup
14:06<mrnice`>bja, so i think the answer is yes
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14:07<bja>mrnice`: Try it and post the answer
14:08<mrnice`>bja, what should i try?
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14:09<raymonp>is there a way to upgrade from ext3 go ext4 without a reinstall?
14:09<DSX-Guru>what would be a recommended Mail server ?
14:10<raymonp>DSX-Guru, Zimbra.
14:10<dmoerner>raymonp, yes, but old files will still not be in the new on-disk format unless you manually move them
14:10<raymonp>I see.
14:10<DSX-Guru>raymonp, thank you very much
14:10<raymonp>DSX-Guru, np
14:10<DSX-Guru>is it easy to setup, and configure?
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14:11<raymonp>yeah.. there is a useful guide on
14:11<DSX-Guru>very nice
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14:12<DSX-Guru>sadly not available as package ?
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14:12<raymonp>packages are available at their homepage.
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14:16<vvas>DSX-Guru: mail server? i'd go for postfix
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14:17<DSX-Guru>how come vvas?
14:17<DSX-Guru>im very new, never ran a mail server before, and this is my first dedicated server
14:17<DSX-Guru>so i have no idea :)
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14:18<vvas>well, it's reasonably simple to configure for simple setups, it's powerful enough to let you create complicated setups (but have consult the documentation obviously), it's fast, it's fairly secure, it's well integrated with Debian...
14:19<vvas>s/but have/but you have to/
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14:22<vvas>the other mainstream alternatives would be exim and sendmail, each with its own set of quirks and possibly advantages
14:23<phiresky>i'm looking for help with debian is this the right place?
14:23<vvas>anything else counts as obscure :-p
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14:23<DSX-Guru>heheh, well, gotta reboot my system
14:23<DSX-Guru>so i bbiab :D
14:23<mrnice`>phiresky, yeah just ask
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14:23<phiresky>oh cool
14:23<DSX-Guru>thx for the help so far :D its really appreciated
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14:23<phiresky>i'm like brand new to linux (played around with fedora once never got anywhere)
14:23<kins>anyone know how to wake a standalone system automatically at some time
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14:24<phiresky>and i donwloaded debian 5.0 and i'm trying to make ndiswrapper-1.54 and i get the error
14:24<vvas>kins: some option at the BIOS usually
14:24<phiresky>cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-powerpc/build
14:24<phiresky>is it configured
14:24<vvas>kins: which you might be able to set with some ACPI magic
14:24<kins>nther han that any thing in debian
14:24<vvas>kins: (through /proc/acpi or /sys)
14:25<phiresky>anyone know what i should do?
14:25<amphi>phiresky: did you install the kernel headers package for your kernel?
14:25<phiresky>i read that alot on help files and i don't know
14:26<phiresky>it was an 8 disk installation and i have no idea what i'm doing lol
14:26<vvas>phiresky: yes, you need to install the headers / kbuild packages for your kernel
14:26<phiresky>ok so do i enter that in my terminal? and what do i enter
14:26<vvas>kins: there's also the option of enabling wake-on-lan and sending the appropriate magic packet from another computer
14:26<kins>what in /proc/acpi isee a file wakeup
14:26<kins>i want it on a stand alone machine
14:27<vvas>ah, right
14:27<kins>i tried rtcwake using rtc alarm but doesnt work
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14:27<phiresky>how do i install headers / kbuild packages?
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14:28<phiresky>i do apologize if this is just supposed to be known i just started trying to learn all of this yesterday cuz i'm fed up with windows and mac os's....sigh...
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14:30<phiresky>am i still in the window?
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14:31<kins>anything else for that
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14:32<dsl_>I noticed that Ctrl+Alt+Backspace doesn't kill X anymore. Alt+sysrq+k doesn't work either. I've tried to enable the former but it doesn't work. I now have some trouble with X (again) after an update and I have to reboot everytime I make a change and it doesn't work. Can I somehow enable one of those methods of exiting?
14:33<vvas>dsl_: if i recall correctly, Option "DontZap" "false" in Section "ServerFlags" does the trick for reenabling it
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14:34<dsl_>Yes, I tried that. I also tried "setbkmap -option "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" in .xinitrc (and the equivalent in xorg.conf) to no avail.
14:34<dsl_>I just get a blank screen from X.
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14:35<dsl_>I had a similar problem before and I remember I made a small change to xorg.conf and then it worked again but idiot that I am I didn't keep a copy of the old xorg.conf.
14:35<dsl_>It's the same every time after an update. X always breaks. Youd think I would learn...
14:36<dsl_>It's pretty annoying...
14:37<dsl_>No errors in the logs ofcourse.
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14:42<dsl_>What to do? X just gives me a blank screen and there seem to be no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log...
14:43<locklace>try different video driver version, check bts, file a bug
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14:44<simNIX>when I aptitude update in gnome with the gui with either or org I get
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14:44<simNIX> Unable to find expected entry universe/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
14:44<dsl_>I acutally thought that xorg.conf was ignored in newer versions. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do much anymore...
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14:51<adb>simNIX: ask #ubuntu about universe ..
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14:53<simNIX>better loose it on my deb
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14:53<simNIX>tnx for spotting
14:54<adb>mixing distributions is bad idea , anyways
14:54<Lounge>tried it once
14:54<Lounge>beter bad
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14:54<Lounge>very bad*
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15:02<dsl_>I tried various drivers in the xorg.conf device section. I'd expect at least "vesa" to work but it doesn't. Just a blank screen.
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15:04<dsl_>How do I find out which driver to use?
15:05<adb>none ?
15:05<stuckey>dsl_: Use "X -configure"
15:05<phiresky>i had a major problem the power cord got pulled out of my powerbook g3 (battery doesn't work anymore) and when i turn it back on it doesn't boot back into linux. any idea why?
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15:06<stuckey>phiresky: What do you see instead of linux?
15:06<phiresky>it comes up with the ? mark on the file (reminds me of windows blue screen of doom)
15:06<phiresky>and the ? mark flashes
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15:06<stuckey>phiresky: Try resetting the CMOS (I don't know how to do this).
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15:07<phiresky>lol me either
15:07<stuckey>phiresky: google
15:07<phiresky>kk i'll try that next time (already start re installing debian)
15:07<adb>retire battery ?
15:08<phiresky>lol would like too just no money right now (more or less trying to learn debian as a project right now cuz i wanna switch everything over to linux at some point but i don't want too til i know how to use it)
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15:08<phiresky>and this old powerbook g3 is all i have for extra space right now and thank you everyone for the help so far
15:08<chealer>dsl_: which video card do you use? which Debian suite do you use?
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15:10<guillaume_>does someone suceed in enabling bluetooth of the Bluetooth Properties 2.27.5 applet ?
15:10<adb>phiresky: CMOS battery , i meant , but maybe thee is a (hide) resetting CMOS button
15:11<ml|>adb: how are thee ;)
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15:13<adb>phiresky: but a good practice said unplug for 10-15 min , replug+ start , and so some times
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15:13<adb>will reset CMOS ..
15:13<adb>ml|> hi
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15:18<phiresky>when i'm installing debian 5.0 do i really need anything other than the system files and gnome for personal use?
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15:19<dsl_>Yes... "X -configure" gave me an xorg.conf file which looks correct. It detected the correct screen and everything but the screen is still blank when I start X.
15:21<adb>phiresky: dsl_ gnome-core , xorg, iceweasel are installed ?
15:21<phiresky>i'm not sure yet i'm currently setting up partitions
15:22<phiresky>it says to set up all files in one partition for new users is that really best? or should i seperate them as /home /usr /var and /tmp?
15:22<ml|>phiresky: a sperate /home is a good idea...
15:22<adb>desktop system ? >> seperate /home
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15:23<phiresky>it's laptop
15:23<ml|>the rest not realy
15:23<phiresky>i'll make it with a seperate /home then thanks
15:23<phiresky>i can't wait until i'm smart enough to know this stuff on my own lol....
15:23<phiresky>it's hard switching to this from a lifetime of running windows
15:23<ml|>all in good time
15:23<sney>it's a rewarding process!
15:24<sney>just be patient, and don't be afraid of reading the manual
15:24<phiresky>don't have a google and irc now
15:24<ml|>dpkg: tell phiresky about grounding
15:24<dpkg>[man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @
15:24<sney>that is the manual I mean.
15:24<ml|>dpkg: tell phiresky about install guide
15:24<phiresky>oh ok
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15:25<phiresky>wow nice
15:25<ml|>phiresky: read msg's frrom dpkg
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15:25<phiresky>i see that
15:25<ml|>phiresky: read msg's frrom dpkgbot
15:25<ml|>phiresky: read msg's frrom dlol
15:25<phiresky>so where should i start? newbiedoc
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15:26<ml|>dpkg: tell phiresky about dpkgbot
15:26<sney>ml are you stuck
15:26<ml|>sney: lol for a sec i was sry
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15:27<phiresky>oh i see...sorry for flooding the page all.
15:27<ml|>dpkg: tell phiresky about msg the bot
15:27<ml|>phiresky: you did not flood
15:28<phiresky>so i can type /msg dpkg ndiswrapper
15:29<phiresky>cool...thats where i keep getting stuck i'm gonna look at that
15:29<ml|>or anything the dpkg knows
15:29<phiresky>and if dpkg doesn't know then ask here about specific problems?
15:29<phiresky>sorry i probably sound like really really new (but...i am lol)
15:29<phiresky>ok thank you very much
15:30<ml|>phiresky: dpkg is here to help you
15:30<ml|>if you are not sure ask away
15:30<ml|>dpkg: tell phiresky about ask
15:30<sney>dpkg -i sl_3.03-16_i386.deb
15:30*dpkg removes a liver from sney and replaces it with sl_3.03-16_i386.deb
15:30<ml|>that should help
15:30<ml|>sney: lol
15:31<sney>wait, "a" liver?
15:31<phiresky>lol what?!
15:31<sney>I thought I only had one.
15:31<ml|>dpkg: rocks
15:31<dpkg>Yer damned right...
15:31<ml|>phiresky: anything with dpkg as first word dpkgbot answers
15:32<phiresky>dpkg: help
15:32<phiresky>holy thats fast
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15:32<ml|>phiresky: but you should msg dpkg
15:32<phiresky>got it
15:33<ml|>phiresky: dpkg has a lot of info to help you
15:34<sney>and when dpkg doesn't know, odds are one of us does
15:34<ml|>sney: heh don't say that :P
15:35<sney>what? it is a support channel after all.
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15:35<ml|>sney: sry miss read dunno what's wrong with me
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15:36<sney>at least you've learned the difference between portuguese and spanish
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15:36<ml|>sney: thought you said none us know would know
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15:36<ml|>sney: :P
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15:37<phiresky>i asked dpkg about install ndiswrapper and it said i'm not sure is it larger than a breadbox
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15:38<sney>I've never actually installed ndiswrapper, every computer I've owned has had supported hardware
15:38<ml|>phiresky: dpkg does not know all, try just ndiswrapper
15:38<b39inn3r>como cambiar de canal please
15:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:39<gsimmons>phiresky: Ask dpkg about "ndiswrapper one-liner", as stated in the ndiswrapper factoid.
15:39<bja>b39inn3r: /j #debian-es
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15:39<b39inn3r>pero estoy en el programa no en consola
15:41<ml|>b39inn3r: se ase eguial
15:41<adb>Ctrl +Alt+ F1 /F6
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15:41<ml|>my spanish is horrible
15:41<bja>ml|: but improving "Se hace igual"
15:42<ml|>bja: heh, nice :)
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15:42<adb>"Se face egal" (in .ro)
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15:44<bja>ml|: how do you join a channel on xchat
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15:45<adb> /j #debian-es
15:45<ml|>bja: hmmm, shoud be the same
15:45<sney>yep, it works
15:45*adb in xchat
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15:45<bja>adb: thx b39inn3r is stuck
15:45<sney>I'm going to idle in #debian-es from now on, maybe it will improve my spanish.
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15:50*ml| btw i use irssi :)
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15:51<b39inn3r>me mando al del principio
15:52<dsl_>erhm... i forgot to start the window manager. no wonder it didnt work. duh.
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15:53<ml|>well you will never forget that now
15:53<bja>!coffee dsl_
15:53*dpkg decants a fine mug of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for dsl_, courtesy of bja
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16:02<Tuplad>hey! I've just used netinst cd to install debian, I clearly selected it to be localized in Russian yet my whole desktop is English. how can I fix this ?
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16:05<ml|>Tuplad: try in #debian-russian @
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16:05<huston>ciao a tutti. italiani??
16:05<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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16:08<chealer>Tuplad: otherwise, what is your desktop environment?
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16:09<Tuplad>chealer: gnome
16:09<Tuplad>ml|: I understand English perfectly :)
16:09<Tuplad>ml|: I just want to know how to switch locales :D
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16:10<ml|>Tuplad: was not implying you don't know english just they might answer you faster
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16:11<Tuplad>ml|: oh... in that case, I'll try :]
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16:38<jcox>does anybody know when/if a xen dom0 is coming for linux kernel 2.6.29 ?
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16:42<phiresky>bash: make: command not found? help?
16:42<phiresky>trying to make ndiswrapper
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16:43<Torsten_W>install it
16:43<phiresky>apt-get install make?
16:43<simNIX>or your not root ?
16:43<Torsten_W>make don't need root
16:43<craigevil>phiresky: apt-get install build-essentials
16:44<simNIX>no, but non root may not have it in path ...
16:44<phiresky>e: couldn't find package build-essentials
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16:44<phiresky>apt-get install make installed make
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16:44<llutz>simNIX: /usr/bin/make so it's in your path
16:44<simNIX>ok - I didnt check
16:44<yoshio>adb: figured out my problem with not displaying Japanese web pages correctly - if I browsed with no proxy, it was OK. When I used privoxy, it would mess up the display. Turns out I had privoxy's "demoronizer" filter turned on, what this does is "Correct Microsoft's abuse of standardized character sets, leave the browser to (mis)-interpret unknown characters, sometimes bizarre results on non-MS platforms." -- this messed up UTF_8 pages. I just t
16:44<simNIX>my bad
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16:49<phiresky>try to make ndis and it reads
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16:49<phiresky>cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-powerpc/build, is it configured?. Stop.
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16:51<phiresky>can anyone help with that?
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16:52<simNIX>I would recomend spend a few bucks for a suported card ... ndis ait great from what I got ...
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16:52<phiresky>hmmm ok
16:52<simNIX>I can work, but it uses windows drivers from what I got
16:52<phiresky>still wish i knew why it won't make
16:52<simNIX>so experiences not all that stable
16:53<simNIX>you did add build-essentials ?
16:53<simNIX>are you on powrpc ?
16:53<ml|>did you install build-essential
16:53<simNIX>mac ?
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16:53<adb>yoshio: nice to know that ;)
16:54<phiresky>it doesn't install build essential
16:54<phiresky>i'm on a powerbook g3
16:54<simNIX>then pastebin your apt/sources.list ..
16:54<simNIX>ok - just cheking
16:54<chealer>phiresky: if you don't mind, which network chipset do you use?
16:55<phiresky>i dunno
16:55<phiresky>i'm brand new to all of this how do i check it
16:55<bja>phiresky: lspci will hint you
16:55<ml|>phiresky: ask dpkg about wifi
16:56<ml|>whatever chipset you should be supported since it's a g3
16:56<bremner>I'm getting Size mismatch errors trying to install highlight-common from sid. The checksums and sizes seem to match the announcement, so I guess my local system is messed up somehow. aptitude clean did not fix it.
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16:56<urbinek>how can i make my web cam work ?
16:57<urbinek>i don't know what is type and producer of it
16:57<urbinek>on windows it's working
16:57<urbinek>on linux not even torun on
16:57<urbinek>turn *
16:57<bja>urbinek: take a look at the harware part on linux and get the info out of there, then go to linux and get what you need
16:58<ml|>dpkg: tell urbinek about webcam
16:58<petern>then go out and buy the extremely expensive one that does work
16:58<urbinek>i've got one no-name :P
16:58<simNIX>may cheap one was detected no prob by Debian
16:59<simNIX>you can check with dmesg amoungst others
16:59<petern>lucky. it's a lottery :(
16:59<petern>actually mine is detected but doesn't work
16:59<urbinek>but i dont even have /dev/videoN (for web cam) only for tuner
17:01<adb>cat /etc/group | grep video
17:01<epifanio>hi all whats the best way to create a .iso backup bootable of my system?
17:01<urbinek>urbinek@haruko:~$ cat /etc/group | grep video
17:01<adb>that ok
17:01<simNIX>bootcd / debianlive
17:02<simNIX>or clonezilla ?
17:02<ml|>dpkg: tell epifanio about debian live
17:02<urbinek>adb: any idea :>
17:03<phiresky>makefile:34: cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-powerpc/build, is it configured?. Stop.
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17:03<dpkg>i guess ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
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17:04<adb>phiresky: install linux-headers-2.6.26-2-powerpc , BUT first tell us your chip card , guess is a airo something
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17:04<phiresky>ok are you talking about what wireless i have? it's a belkin usb
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17:04<phiresky>i'm am super new so please go slow with me ...sorry
17:04<adb>lspci said ?
17:05<phiresky>it says
17:05<adb>belkin usb ?
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17:05<phiresky>host bridge motorola mpc106 grackle rev 40
17:05<phiresky>usb controller: agere systems usb
17:05<ml|>thought you where using internal wireless
17:05<phiresky>multimedia controller c-cube microsystems cinemaster c 3.0 dvd decoder
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17:05<phiresky>class ff00 apple comp inc paddignton mac i/o
17:05<adb>use paste man
17:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
17:06<phiresky>i can't two diff computers
17:06<simNIX>you can ..
17:06<simNIX>not paste screen, but paste lots of lines on website
17:06<phiresky>oh yeah i could type in word the copy paste n/m sorry
17:06<bremner>type the same stuff in a different place. You're welcome
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17:07<ml|>use pastebin on that computer then paste link here
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17:08<phiresky>Bus 001 Device 004: ID 050d:705c Belkin Components F5D7050 v4000 wireless adapter
17:09<dpkg>Belkin is a manufacturer of computer hardware. Ask me about <F5D6050>, <F5D7050> and <F5D7051>.
17:09<simNIX>(is there a trigger or website that shows al info in bot ?)
17:10<ml|>ah, lucky looks that what you have is supported :)
17:10<simNIX>no need for ndis = good - )
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17:10<phiresky>ok so where do i go now? dpkg says upgrade to but i'm sure mine is higher than that
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17:11<adb>phiresky: no any needs for now , ask bot about F5D7050
17:12<phiresky>how do i set that up
17:12<ml|>ask dpkg
17:13<phiresky>i typed install zd1211rw and it says no idea lol
17:13<chealer>phiresky: yes
17:13<chealer>!tell phiresky about zd1211rw
17:13<chealer>phiresky: try that instead of ndiswrapper
17:13<ml|>'zd1211-firmware' from <non-free>
17:14<ml|>phiresky: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
17:15<ml|>phiresky: and if run into problems ... #zd1211rw on
17:15<phiresky>ok it's unpacking wireless tools
17:15<phiresky>i think i did it
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17:16<phiresky>but now how do i set it up lol.....
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17:16<phiresky>i did the apt install wireless-tools zd1211-firmware
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17:16<Anne84>My nslu2 cannot find the debian mirrors!! HELP!!
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17:16<ml|>phiresky: ask dpkg about wifi
17:17<Anne84>Trying to install Debian on a NSLU2 device, I get this message:
17:17<Anne84>The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror.
17:17<adb>Anne84: sources are ok ?
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17:18<Anne84>adb: Don't know, it just doesn't do anything
17:18<adb>!tell Anne84 about sources
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17:18<phiresky>i installed the driver but dpkg won't tell me how to set up a connection
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17:19<DirtyXktrry>Is this place hatefull against n00b questions?
17:19<Anne84>adb: All I know, is I'm using SSH to connect to the device, I start the installation, I choose a mirror, and it does not work.
17:19<ml|>dpkg: tell phiresky about wlan howto
17:19<phiresky>thanks ml
17:20<adb>Anne84: installing which distrib ?
17:20<Anne84>adb: And I know, It used to work
17:20<Anne84>adb: latest
17:20<Anne84>adb: debian ARM lenny
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17:21<ml|>phiresky: when you ask dpkg and you see the following See also: <wlan howto> ask dpkg what's inside <>
17:21<Anne84>etch worked fine
17:21<adb>Anne84: wired interface ?
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17:21<Anne84>adb: yep
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17:22<Anne84>adb: SSH works
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17:22<adb>firewall is up ?
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17:23<phiresky>lol yup i don't understand any of that either way i gotta go to work thanks for all the help all
17:23<ml|>gl later
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17:25<DirtyXktrry>quick noobquestion, what command do I use to abbort a package being installed?
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17:26<DirtyXktrry>It's asking for a dvd which I don't have
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17:26<Anne84>DirtyXktrry: Try [ctrl]+[c] or[q] or [x]
17:27<DirtyXktrry>ty, trying
17:27<bja>DirtyXktrry: after that check you sources.list and act acordingly
17:27<box>hi all , who i can update lib file system/
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17:28<DirtyXktrry>actually, I lost my linux-virginity yesterday so I have no idea what I'm doing :)
17:28<DirtyXktrry>But it still gives me this when I try to install something new
17:28<DirtyXktrry>This is a major failure of your software management system. Please check for broken packages with synaptic, check the file permissions and correctness of the file '/etc/apt/sources.list' and reload the software information with: 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get install -f'
17:28<ml|>dpkg: tell dpkg about grounding
17:29<ml|>dpkg: tell DirtyXktrry about grounding
17:29<DirtyXktrry>Wait one sec, I think that I could solve it
17:29<ml|>17:28:41 <dpkg> Isn't that a bit silly?
17:30<Anne84>DirtyXktrry: sudo apt- something (i lost my linux virginity not so long ago)
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17:31<bja>DirtyXktrry: what release are you installing?
17:31<simNIX>!why aptitude
17:31<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
17:31<ml|>DirtyXktrry: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list if you still need help
17:31<Anne84>Does anyone have troubles installing debian 5.0.1? My NSLU2 does not connect to the debian mirrors
17:31<ml|>simNIX: :)
17:31<simNIX>with the right tools :)
17:31<Anne84>Ore the mirrors do not want my nslu
17:31<DirtyXktrry>thanks, I'll try a bit of trial and error for a while
17:31<AzaTht>ok, I got some more finding regarding my AltGr problem, I decided to install 'kate' and ran it, and there there are no problem at all
17:31<AzaTht>so it seems to be some gtk/gnome issue here
17:32*bja smells ubuntu around
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17:32<simNIX>Anne84, I'll check if I can aptitude update on my nslu2
17:32<AzaTht>[0:0][azatoth@azabox ~]$ dpkg -l | grep ubuntu | wc -l
17:33<bja>AzaTht: Its obviously not you, ml| spotted it also, but he is nicer than i am
17:34<chealer>Anne84: just ask your question
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17:34<AzaTht>ml|: you also have AltGr prob?
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17:34<ml|>AzaTht: no bja was talking about something else
17:35<DirtyXktrry>omfg, I solved it! :) lol "apt-get remove wine"
17:35<ml|>AzaTht: check bts for your problem
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17:35<AzaTht>ml|: been there ,done that I'm afraid
17:35<Anne84>chealer: I did, does anyone have a simillar problem to mine
17:35<Anne84>simNIX: tell me about it.
17:35<AzaTht>ml|: sadly I'm not certain which package could be the evil thingi
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17:35<ml|>AzaTht: oh, i have no idea gl
17:36<Anne84>DirtyXktrry: wine is the problem... :S that's odd
17:36<simNIX>Anne84, on 1386 no prb but oddly does nothing (but wait for timeout?) on nslu2 ...
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17:36<simNIX>im using
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17:36<chealer>Anne84: that's not really what you asked. people would need to know the problem anyway.
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17:36<Anne84>simNIX: ik kan op geen enkele mirror komen
17:37<ml|>Anne84: have you try different mirrors?
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17:37<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
17:37<Anne84>ml|: dutch, german, uk and belgian
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17:38<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
17:38<simNIX>maybe try f
17:39<Anne84>simNIX: je nslu kon niet updaten?
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17:40<simNIX>no couldnt update it
17:40<bja>Anne84: If that was dutch, congrats i don't understand a word :)
17:40<patrikf>Anne84, simNIX: please talk english here or go to #debian-nl
17:40<simNIX>aptitude update justs hangs - no output
17:40<simNIX>but nslookup works on the nslu2
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17:40<simNIX>Im doing so ..
17:40<Anne84>bja: Maybe i did not talk to you...
17:40<simNIX>and apolized
17:40<bja>Anne84: That was the point
17:41<Anne84>but, i'll keep it english
17:41<simNIX>Its just nice for a Dutch one to see a Dutch word from time to time - )
17:41<simNIX>am now aware not apreciated
17:41<simNIX>so wont do again
17:41<Anne84>simNIX: so it seems to be an ARM prob, not being able to connect to a mirror... :S
17:42<simNIX>odd since it pulls from same mirror ...
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17:42<Anne84>The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror.
17:42<Anne84>^This is wat the installer tels me
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17:43<bja>Anne84: Can you ping the server from your location
17:43<simNIX>Ill try again and wait till it gives a eerror ..
17:43<simNIX>my apt/sources should be fine pugraded with it a few days ago and I dont touch that box oft
17:44<Anne84>bja: I can from my normal pc
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17:44<simNIX>no ping reply
17:44<Anne84>simNIX: from your nslu?
17:44<bja>Anne84: check the ftp and the http ports are available from your pc
17:45<simNIX> = here down from ping reply on i386 box
17:45<bja>Anne84: If they are reachable, then it is something from the mirror or your nslu
17:45<Anne84>bja: that does not make sence, I can ping it. Average 12ms
17:45<simNIX> = ok
17:45<bja>Anne84: not the connection
17:45<simNIX>aptitude update updated onnslu2 here
17:45<simNIX>with deleay
17:45<Anne84>like I said
17:45<Anne84>The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a different mirror.
17:45<simNIX>but no error
17:46<simNIX>I sall pastebin my sources file ...
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17:46<Anne84>so it's a mirror problem, they forgot something at debian
17:46<bja>Anne84: pinging is not accessing port 80 or port 21
17:46<ml|>both of you using same mirror
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17:46<Anne84>bja: I know, but etch worked fine, problems started at this version
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17:46<Anne84>ml|: y
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17:47<bja>Anne84: just humor me and check it pls
17:47<ml|>if it works for simNIX then it must be some config issue on your end
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17:48<Anne84>bja: uhm... now we get a problem, The NSLU2 just runs the most basic installer, so I cannot check anything on it
17:48<simNIX>hmm - pastebin thing sources file = spam - grr
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17:48<s_i_m>my 2 cents: seems down from here.
17:48<simNIX>On my nslu2 = a full debian
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17:49<simNIX>Hit lenny/non-free Packages
17:49<simNIX>maybe ping is blocked ?
17:49<bja>worst from here port 21 closed
17:49<simNIX>realy odd
17:49<adb>Anne84: why just not upgrade from etch to lenny ?
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17:49<Anne84>s_i_m: pinging the dutch debian mirrors never has beent the problem, I think they forgot to put the ARM repository online
17:50<simNIX>O I didnt spot your on etch
17:50<s_i_m>oh, no, it works.
17:50<s_i_m>just does not respond to pings.
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17:50<simNIX>im on Lenny
17:50<Anne84>adb: I made a mistake, so I have to reinstall
17:50<ml|>adb: i had the same thought
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17:50<Anne84>I'm on nothing
17:50<bja>Anne84: check that your sources go to http it seems there is an ftp problem down there
17:50<simNIX>that is a fast mirror in holland if Debian one fails your
17:51<adb>Anne84: which mistake
17:51<Anne84>bja: Only ftp's are available
17:51<bja>Anne84: From where i stand ftp is down and http is up
17:51<Anne84>adb: My external HDD power broke, but before I checked it, I flashed the installer into the NSLU device
17:52<simNIX>you are correct - I now spot on my nslu2 I do http
17:52<Anne84>bja: crap, I cannot choose a http mirror
17:52<simNIX>on all my other boxes I do ftp sorry not spotting that earlyer
17:52<simNIX>why not ?
17:53<simNIX>how do yuo try to install Lenny ?
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17:53<Anne84>simNIX: the only possible way for a NSLU2
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17:53<adb> is ok
17:54<simNIX>upslug, so exept need to format big partitons upfront its a normal Debian installer right ?
17:54<Anne84>I get to choose between 5 ftp mirrors, and they do not work
17:54<simNIX>also ?
17:54<Anne84>but if they now they have a problem, it is going to be fixed. I asume
17:54<Anne84>simNIX: y
17:54<adb>Anne84: so reinstall etch , and upgrade
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17:55<simNIX>whay not clean Lenny install ?
17:55<Anne84>adb: I do not have the etch installer anymore
17:55<AzaTht>ml|: as I hanv't been able to find anything relevant in bts, I decided to file an bug against gtk+2.0, hope it will help me
17:55<Anne84>and it is not downloadable for arm either
17:55<ml|>AzaTht: yes, gl
17:55<Anne84>simNIX: do you have the etch installer?
17:55<slipshot>anyone know anything about remastersys?
17:55<Anne84>AzaTht: good luck
17:55<ml|>good luck
17:56<simNIX>No I prefer Lenny
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17:56<AzaTht>was afraid you though it was opengl
17:56<Anne84>me 2
17:56<bja>Anne84: you can get the installer from etch from the debian site directly
17:56<simNIX>if from command line I ft no prob ...
17:56<simNIX>maybe your dns is not ok ?
17:56<adb>!tell slipshot about remaster
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17:56<Anne84>bja: but that one does not support the NSLU2's network
17:56<Anne84>and I do not have a usb->network converter
17:57<simNIX>whay do yuo want Etch over Lenny ?
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17:57<slipshot>i min installed debian and out openbox as my primary desktop, i have everything working great but remastersys wont pick up my wallpaper or let me on the net with a live cd any ideas?
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17:58<slipshot>i have Wicd network manager and nitrogen for my wallpaper
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18:00<Anne84>this is where I should get my installer from (the orriginal debian installer I do not want), no etch
18:00<simNIX>thats one w network
18:01<Anne84>simNIX: that's the one I got
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18:01<Anne84>but if debian has a ftp problem, there's not much I can do
18:01<simNIX>no ftp problmem with
18:02<simNIX>I can ftp to it on command line
18:02<bja>Anne84: that link points to more http links
18:02<simNIX>check network settings and ping localy
18:02<simNIX>maybe bad dns ?
18:02<Anne84>bja: no it doesn't
18:02<bja>Anne84: try this ip
18:02<Anne84>simNIX: well known to me
18:02<simNIX>you did set ip seting in web interface forehand ?
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18:04<slipshot>guess no one has any idea
18:04<Anne84>bja: OK, but then I got no network, so I'm going to try aggain tomorrow
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18:04<Anne84>THX for all the help
18:04<ml|>slipshot: maybe wait a bit more
18:04<simNIX>great boxes not those nslu2
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18:05<Anne84>uhm... name me an http mirror...
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18:06<dpkg>debian mirrors is, like, or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>.
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18:07<simNIX>ftp of that last one also works on commandline
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18:08<adb> ==“” could not be found.
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18:09<adb>Anne84: ^^ that's your issue ..
18:11<Anne84>well... I call it a day, maybe tomorrow I got less isues ;)
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18:12<Aleric>How can I get a list of all existing packages that start with 'libmono', without that I every downloaded or installed them (I don't know which I am missing)
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18:13<vvas>Aleric: dpkg -l libmono\*
18:13<locklace>Aleric: aptitude search ^libmono
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18:13<Aleric>vvas: that only shows the ones you installed
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18:13<llimeht>aptitude search ~n^libmono
18:13<vvas>Aleric: not really
18:14<adb>No packages found matching libmono*..
18:14<adb>vvas: ^
18:14<llimeht>vvas: dpkg won't include packages that it hasn't had to "think" about. The aptitude search gives 66 packages but your dpkg search only gives 22 on this machine
18:15<vvas>ok then, dpkg -l libmono\* preceded by a "dselect update"
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18:16<llimeht>just use aptitude....
18:16*locklace drags vvas out of the bronze age
18:16<vvas>whatever, i'm oldskool
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18:17<miguel>what was again the name of the nice bot?
18:17<locklace>!confuse miguel
18:17<dpkg>No, them was their weasel tomorrow, miguel? Wellies of the Republic of Tahiti with extra cheese.
18:18<dpkg>methinks beer is liquid gold mate
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18:18<miguel>ah he doesn know anything about xfce4-sessions :(
18:18<Aleric>locklace: Thanks btw :) ... got opensim running now :)
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18:19<miguel>im trying to figure out, how it works
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18:20<locklace>!fgi miguel xfce-sessions
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18:23<slipshot>do i have to rename the inxi file to an .sh?
18:23<slipshot>wrong channel
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18:39<banished>what a pitty that got lost from the debian repositories
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18:41<banished>oh, it's still in lenny
18:42<banished>but why not in unstable and sid?
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18:49<dondelelcaro>banished: because it's probably not actively maintained anymore
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18:51<dondelelcaro>banished: see;dist=unstable;package=xt for some of its problems
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18:53<Supaplex>someone set us up the meme
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18:53<Guest68>ok will be
18:53<banished>dondelelcaro: on Windows you write an application once and if it doesn't interfear with the system itself, it will run without change in any further versions
18:53*banished runns
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18:58<Supaplex>sounds like another cause for 1. vserver 2. SIYH/DIY/HTH
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19:05<miguel>how can i execute a command (like grep) on a list of files that i obtain with another command (like find)
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19:06<vvas>miguel: man xargs
19:06<krazykit>for find and grep, it sounds like
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19:06<krazykit>er, sounds like | would be sufficient
19:07<krazykit>find ... | grep word
19:07<miguel>i want also to see the filenames
19:07<miguel>and this would perform only the grep on the list
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19:07<miguel>and not the CONTENTS of the files in the list
19:07<krazykit>then you want xargs :)
19:08<miguel>reading the man
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19:09<Supaplex>find ... -print0 | xargs -0 grep foo
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19:13<Supaplex>odd. somehow moving a program to a different desktop invoked autoscrolling through all of them. It looped all the desktops for at least three itterations until I grabbed the titlebar of it back.
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19:13<abrotman>why not use -exec ?
19:13<Supaplex>silly openbox. must be an odd interaction with wine in this situation.
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19:14<Supaplex>true :)
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19:14<locklace>and if you're using zsh, you don't need find at all
19:15<vvas>abrotman: thought i'd mention him the generic solution first
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19:15<abrotman>vvas: i wasn't talking about yours
19:15<Supaplex>I didn't pay a lot of attention. sorry :p
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19:32<unitypunk>i need some help installing sql
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19:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
19:32<Supaplex>!tell unitypunk -about ask
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19:32<cockroach>okay, you're more subtle :)
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19:32<unitypunk>let me copy my output.
19:33<unitypunk>to pastebin.
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19:34<unitypunk>i was hoping by doing apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 it would install and cnfig the sql server
19:34<miguel>can i start an application without any window decoration under x , and place it BEHIND all other windows managed by the window manager?
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19:35<llimeht>unitypunk: did you look at /etc/mysql/my.cnf as suggested in that output? You have a configuration option that is known to cause problems
19:35<abrotman>unitypunk: etch doesn't have mysql-4.x IIRC .. that's a transitional package
19:36<unitypunk>what do you mean abrotman.. i dont understand why it would try to install it if it didnt have it.
19:36<abrotman>it's a transitional package
19:37<vvas>miguel: your window manager might have window-specific options
19:37<abrotman>miguel: why would you want to do that?
19:37<vvas>miguel: for example kde has them, and they're extremely detailed
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19:38<miguel>i want to have always a terminal running as "desktop-wallpaper"
19:38<llimeht>unitypunk: see
19:38<abrotman>dpkg: info root-tail lenny
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19:39<llimeht>judd: info root-tal
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19:39<llimeht>judd: info root-tail
19:39<judd>llimeht: root-tail (x11): is optional; Version: 1.2-3; Size: 20.2k; Installed: 80k -- Displays select log files in the X root window
19:39<abrotman>miguel: ^^^^
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19:39<llimeht>faster even with a typo!
19:39<Alexe>ses koi sa
19:39<unitypunk>so what am i looking for in thecnf?
19:39<abrotman>not my fault!
19:39<dpkg>root-tail: (Displays select log files in the X root window), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.2-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 80 kB
19:39<abrotman>Alexe: english please
19:39<llimeht>dpkg, you're slow
19:39<dpkg>No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1!
19:39<abrotman>because this is an english channel
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19:39<abrotman>if you prefer to speak another language .. ask which channel they speak it in
19:40<Alexe>What is that ;XChat?
19:40<llimeht>unitypunk: look in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz
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19:41<miguel>i xchat - IRC client for X similar to AmIRC
19:41<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
19:41<llimeht>unitypunk: there's also details in the debian config file itself
19:41<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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20:04<dpkg>dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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20:05<adama>I'm getting 403 forbidden from DMM, and when doing aptitude udpate - fresh lenny install
20:08<adb>adama: dns, router , firewall issue ?
20:08<bja>adama: have you tracert dmm
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20:09<adb>DMM + volatile+ security
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20:11<adama>it is only happening for certain GETs
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20:13<adama>sources.list is at the bottom
20:13<adama>I'm not having any trouble actually installing things
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20:14<adama>just wondering if my sources.list is wrong or if something is up with the servers
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20:16<adb>all DMM + volatile+ security works here , and sources list seems ok
20:17<adb>dns/firewall issue for me
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20:22<adama>why would bad DNS or firewall produce 403 Forbidden responses from the server?
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20:24<bja>adama: bad dns, your talking to the wrong server, but a 404 would be more logical
20:24<bja>adama: firewall will fake the 403 server response
20:25<bja>adama: pain in the neck sysadmin sometimes do that
20:25<adama>DMM is correct?
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20:26<adama>it's working fine on my squeeze box (this one)
20:26<adb> DMM is ok
20:26<bja>adama: what does telnet that ip on port 80 gives you
20:27<adama>Connected to
20:27<bja>adama: then you can achive connection hmm
20:29<bja>adama: can you paste sources.list or can you spot something atipical?
20:29<adama>I already pasted it, it's at the bottom
20:29<adb>adama: rerun aptitude update
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20:31<adama> fwiw
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20:33<adama>it's OK, I'll figure it out eventually - I think everything I need is on this local mirror anyways
20:36<adama>I think it might be the proxy server here
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20:39<bja>adama: sorry, i checked all your data, can't find what is the problem sorry .(
20:40<adama>it's ok, must be a local weirdyness - thanks anyways
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21:05<bullshit>i have a question :)
21:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:05<bullshit>if i rented a vps and i have only access on ssh for the root, would i be able to install the interface or something
21:05<bullshit>and then connect to it by remote
21:06<sney>if you have ssh access then what else do you need
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21:06<bullshit>i'd like it remote
21:06<sney>what, like vnc or something?
21:07<bullshit>to do the stuff like i'm at my home machine'
21:07<bullshit>yes like vnc
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21:07<bullshit>to turn the vps in it
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21:08<bullshit>do i have a chance to do that ? i'm a linux beginner brw...
21:08<sney>so, just to be clear, you're considering renting part of a server, so you can put X on it, and use it like a desktop?
21:08<bullshit>i like the interface
21:08<bullshit>i mean not use all the server
21:08<bullshit>just that vps i own
21:09<sney>yeah I know what you mean, it just seems a little bass ackwards just to use a server as a remote desktop.
21:09<sney>and yes, you can do it.
21:09<bullshit>holly shit
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21:09<bullshit>how could i do that
21:10<bullshit>i had few beers anyway
21:10<ml|>sney: you sure that can be done?
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21:11<ml|>heh not good to make decisions will drunk
21:11<sney>well, provided you could get X installed, running, and then the tightvnc server
21:11<bullshit>no no, i'm still fresh
21:12<ml|>ok, sure
21:12<sney>shouldn't be too big of a deal since you can do all the config stuff in text files... but nubsauce here might find that part a little hard
21:12<ml|>is it a debian vps?
21:12<bullshit>the tightvnc thing sounds good, but what
21:12<bullshit>what's x
21:13<bullshit>some interface to install ?
21:13<bullshit>it's a gentoo vps
21:13<sney>X is how linux makes pretty pictures with a mouse pointer
21:13<bullshit>ohh heh :)
21:13<ml|>bullshit: why don't you read up before you consider this
21:14<ml|>dpkg: tell bullshit about grounding
21:14<ml|>that should help
21:14<abrotman>bullshit: you're asking #debian about a gentoo vps ?
21:14<ml|>ah gentoo
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21:14<bullshit>this was the largest channel around :)
21:14<sney>abrotman: that is really not the strangest thing he's asking
21:14<ml|>yeah best to ask in #gentoo
21:14<bullshit>and i connected as a random linux server
21:15<sney>#gentoo on might give you better support
21:15<xemacs4321>can a live cd do this ? that might be a little bit easier
21:15<abrotman>bullshit: did you try #gentoo on ?
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21:15<bullshit>nope, i will, thanks
21:15<sney>they will be just as confused about what you're asking
21:15<sney>but they will have more specific information for getting it set up
21:15<bullshit>better get some guide to install that X and then it will be ready to go
21:16<sney>the gentoo manual has pretty comprehensive X docs
21:16<ml|>yeah gentoo docs are good
21:16<bullshit>sney, thanks a lot man for the info you provided
21:16<bullshit>i hope i'll manage
21:16<bullshit>take care ;)
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21:17<Zviper>does your X come with MDMA? :P
21:17<sney>drugs r bad mmmkay
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22:05<k>I'm trying to install Debian Testing off the full (600MB) CD, before either the graphical or text installer loads the terminal fills with lines of hex addresses and ".error: idle with IF=0"
22:08<k>after doing that for a few seconds, the installer loads (the graphical installer does so with a red X "image not found" placeholder along the top of the screen) and then seems to work as intended until I finish partitioning, where it gives me the error "debootstrap warning failure trying to run chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc"
22:08<k>which according to Google, has never happened before in all of history!
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22:11<Supaplex>dpkg: mini.iso is a super small iso that utilizes the <netboot> images to fetch <d-i> and all components over the network. Only contains a boot loader, kernel and initrd, typcially ~8MB. Start at ** [[N-Selector]]
22:11<dpkg>okay, Supaplex
22:11<Supaplex>dpkg: forget mini.iso
22:11<dpkg>Supaplex: i forgot mini.iso
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22:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mini.iso is a super small iso that utilizes the <netboot> images to fetch <d-i> and all components over the network. Only contains a boot loader, kernel and initrd, typcially ~8MB. Start at and work your way until you find mini.iso for your arch etc.
22:13<Supaplex>k: see above. I don't think this uses gtk by default, so it's text only. troubleshooting may involve using tty3,4 to see messages.
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22:14<k>Supaplex: forgive me if i'm being obtuse. but! are you suggesting that the mini-iso will work better?
22:14<Supaplex>k: it might be eaiser to troubleshoot with
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22:15<k>Supaplex: I may just attempt to install Debian 5 instead. it's kind of frustrating that Ubuntu installs right because hoo boy does their "hey, stability is for chumps" policy ruin my day.
22:15<k>Supaplex: okay, thanks.
22:16<Supaplex>good luck :)
22:16<k>Supaplex, I'm sure I'll need it.
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22:17<Supaplex>#debian-boot is also a good resource for install issues
22:17<k>thank you, I will ask there.
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22:21<phiresky>btcg: help
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22:21<phiresky>whats the name of the help bot again?
22:21<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
22:21<phiresky>i apologize to dpkg
22:22<phiresky>dpkg: wifi
22:22<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
22:22<k>okay, so far the mini-ISO isn't displaying any kind of error.
22:22<Supaplex>that's good
22:22<k>Supaplex, I may be on the verge of sending you delicious funnel-cakes in thanks.
22:23<k>ooh. yeah, looks like the mini-iso works fine but the heavy image is broken. that disc also fails gratuitously in my other machines, and passed the integrity test.
22:23<Supaplex>I just scarfed an order of bread sticks. now to the pasta. yyyuumm... *gobble*^3
22:24<k>awesome. i-
22:24<k>wait, where'd you get the pasta? we don't have any decent pasta restaurants here.
22:24<k>which isn't a huge big deal 'cause it's easy to cook properly at home, but.
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22:26<k>well, how about that.
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22:26<k>you happen to know if root reserved blocks can be set to a fraction of a whole percent or not?
22:27<And1>Could anyone help me installing profont? Or maybe there even is an unofficial package?
22:27<k>And1: What's your issue with the source?
22:27<Supaplex>k: iirc, you can set how many blocks are. tune2fs
22:28<phiresky>what does <non-free> firmware mean?
22:28<k>Supaplex: right. the installer just has an option in percent.
22:28<And1>k: I don't know exactly, it just won't work after putting the pcf.gz files in the font directory...
22:28<phiresky>like for zd1211-firmware
22:28<k>phiresky, it's likely a binary blob for which no source is available
22:29<phiresky>so if i want to install a driver for my 4000 series f5d7050 how would i go about asking dpkg?
22:29<Supaplex>k: just leave it at defaults, and tune2fs it later.
22:29<k>phiresky, it doesn't mean that you have to pay for it - just that it isn't OSS, basically.
22:29<k>Supaplex, okay.
22:29<k>phiresky, open source software.
22:30<phiresky>thanks i'm brand new to all of this
22:30<dpkg>non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
22:30<phiresky>ok so my lsusb reads out the belkin usb router and shows exactly what it is but when i try to make a wireless connection it doesn't let me access my wireless usb....
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22:33<phiresky>i'm really just not sure where to go from here....
22:35<k>phiresky, have you downloaded the software via a .deb package?
22:37<phiresky>no i haven't the system that has debian on it doesn't have access to the web i'm on a computer running xp where do i go?
22:39<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>., or apt-sneakernet (in jest)
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22:40<k>okay, well. "asking dpkg" to install it isn't liable to help given that you need to both locate the install packages and then get them onto the computer.
22:40<k>although it sounds like apt-zip would do the trick too.
22:40<Supaplex>you'll have to grab it and deps from
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22:40<Supaplex>then install with dpkg -i
22:40<phiresky>i was going to do ndiswrapper until i was informed i didn't need to for this router this all seems so difficult just to get a wireless usb up and running
22:41<phiresky>but i'm stubborn and i want to learn
22:41<k>but your first steps are likely-
22:41<k>okay, the router has nothing to do with ndiswrapper, ndiswrapper is a driver for the wireless card.
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22:41<phiresky>ok so i need the zd1211rw firmware and i can get it at
22:41<k>or rather it allows the windows drivers to work for the wireless card.
22:42<phiresky>i see
22:42<Supaplex>phiresky: maybe. /query dpkg search
22:42<phiresky>in the dpkg window?
22:42<Supaplex>!tell phiresky -about search
22:42<k>phiresky: pm.
22:42<phiresky>put what am i searching for
22:42<phiresky>oops but
22:43<phiresky>i found that
22:43<phiresky># Debian Lenny/5.0
22:43<phiresky>deb lenny main contrib non-free
22:43<dpkg>[zd1211rw] the recommended driver for USB devices with ZyDAS ZD1211/ZD1211B chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.18-rc1. Firmware is required, install 'zd1211-firmware' from <non-free>. Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio: kernel >= 2.6.23 is required. If "RF MAXIM_NEW_RF 0x8 is not supported" is stated in the kernel ring buffer, upgrade to kernel >= #zd1211rw on
22:43<Supaplex>looks like there is a firmware package for it
22:44<phiresky>zd1211 firmware right?
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22:44<Supaplex> choose lenny/stable
22:44<k>phiresky: the simplest thing to do would be to plug the computer into the network via ethernet cable and type "sudo apt-get install zd1211-firmware"
22:45<phiresky>hey....that'll work if i hardwire it?
22:45<phiresky>cat-5 it
22:45<phiresky>ok i'll go try that out
22:45<k>i'd imagine so. the wireless and wired network connections are generally based on separate hardware and wired ethernet cards are much more genericised.
22:46<k>i've only ever had one install fail to grok my ethernet out of the box, and that was with a horrible laptop PC-card ethernet solution.
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22:55<chappy>hey guys i am looking to make a custom debian based distro ..... a very custom one anyone have any ideas/tip/guides on where to start?
22:55<chappy>i tried the custom chanel but no one is talking
22:56<Supaplex>what do you want to customize?
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22:57<chappy>desktop environment , apps that come with it, write my own apps with it, strip it down to being really lightweight, then go from there to see where it takes me and my friends
22:58<chappy>we want to use Ion for our desktop enviroment
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22:59<chappy>yeah we know essentialy what to do but i am looking for some guidance on a starting point
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23:03<chappy>anyone any ideas to help?
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23:11<dpkg>i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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23:13<dpkg>i heard gnash is a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch>
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23:13<dpkg>swfdec is probably another free flash implementation which can play youtube videos and integrates with GNOME
23:14<chealer>!tell gottelby about msg the bot
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23:16<gottelby>any good solution for watching hulu without the nonfree?
23:17<gottelby>chealer, ?
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23:18<chealer>gottelby: what do you mean by hulu?
23:18<krazykit>gottelby, those are the possible solutions. it's either that or adobe's flash
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23:20<gottelby>nonfree only seems to use one core so its really choppy
23:20<gottelby>my chip isnt really that fast
23:20<gottelby>so i need something that will thread better or use something different
23:21<edbian>How do you make a floppy boot-able from debian? I am trying to flash the bios on an old system. The instructions that I got for the bios say to type "FORMAT A:/S at the DOS prompt in windows to format / make the floppy boot-able. Is the linux equivalent to this?
23:21<gottelby>chealer, krazykit am i doing something wrong?
23:21<dpkg>[mkboot] makes a boot floppy for your system
23:21<krazykit>no, adobe flash is just a sack of crap.
23:22<gottelby>im on a quad core that can't run full screen video
23:22<chealer>gottelby: maybe you're expecting too much. Flash is a pain, which is either painful with Adobe Flash, or abominally painful with a free player.
23:22<edbian>thanks guys
23:23<gottelby>is there hardware support somewhere in nvidia?
23:23<gottelby>i dunno
23:24<gottelby>edbian, np
23:24<edbian>I am not trying to boot linux from this disk. I am trying to boot a small bios flashing utility. Should I point the root at that? The kernel?
23:25<sney>bios flash utilities are usually a self-contained DOS thing, just toss it on a floppy and do your thing
23:25<gottelby>edbian, bios flashing utilities generally dont boot
23:25<edbian>1. Type FORMAT A:/S at the DOS prompt to create a bootable system floppy disk.
23:25<edbian> DO NOT copy AUTOEXEC.BAT & CONFIG.SYS to the disk.
23:25<edbian>2. Type COPY D:\AFLASH\AFLASH.EXE A:\ (assuming D is your CD-ROM drive) to copy
23:25<edbian> AFLASH.EXE to the just created boot disk.
23:25<edbian> NOTE: AFLASH works only in DOS mode. It will not work with DOS prompt in Windows and will
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23:25<edbian>I got booted for that hahaha
23:26<gottelby>flood is flood
23:26<dpkg>FreeDOS is a free implementation of the Disk Operating System, packaged for Debian. It can run <loadlin>. Violates the Principle of Least Surprise -- after booting it, it won't see files that you copied to A:. #fd-user and #freedos on
23:26<edbian>Did anybody see the post?
23:26<chealer>gottelby: I'm not sure what you're asking... NVIDIA cards support technologies like OpenGL, but not specific programs like Adobe Flash
23:26<edbian>so I can't use freedos because it won't see the files I've copied to the A: drive (like the new bios)
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23:27<gottelby>edbian, please re read the manpages for those commands
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23:28<gottelby>chealer, but the decoder could be hardware accelerated.
23:28<gottelby>that 9800gt isnt exactly a slug
23:28*Supaplex nabs it "Thanks!"
23:29<edbian>gottelby: I read the one for mkboot. I am not trying to make a linux boot disk. I am trying to make a dos boot disk. Is there another man page I should be checking? Can mkboot make a dos boot disk?
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23:29<gottelby>edbian, i was referring to freedos
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23:30<edbian>o ok, thanks gottelby!!!
23:30<gottelby>edbian, and there are many other commands in the tofromdos package
23:31<gottelby>edbian, but i just use a bootable wincd
23:31<gottelby>or a flash stick
23:31<gottelby>theoretically you could use dosem in root mode
23:32<chealer>gottelby: depending on the player, yes
23:32<gottelby>chealer, any ideas?
23:32<phorce1>edbian: just download a dos boot disk image and use df to write it to a floppy
23:32<edbian>oh ok
23:32*phorce1 has fat fingers
23:32<edbian>thanks again guys!
23:32<chealer>gottelby: I don't understand your question
23:34<gottelby>to accelerate flash playback
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23:35<krazykit>gottelby, not really. it is what it is. complain to adobe, though good luck making them care
23:35<phorce1>edbian: should be one at Make sure you have dosfs tools installed so you can write to the dos formatted floppy after you create it
23:36<phorce1>edbian: in fact, they have one labeled "special disk for bios flashing"
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23:41<chealer>gottelby: if you're not using hardware acceleration, then yes, you could make Adobe Flash hardware-accelerated
23:41<gottelby>krazykit, found an adobe 64 bit thing
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