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---Logopened Thu Jun 11 00:00:05 2009
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00:00<gottelby>i are answer
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00:04<phire>ok so i have installed zd1211rw drivers for my wireless usb and i still can't set up a wireless network i currently have my laptop online through a cat-5 can anyone help/
00:04<phire>somehow i managed to bumble through installing xchat (pure luck)
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00:06<phire>is anyone available to help?
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00:08<chealer>phire: what's the problem?
00:09<phire>i installed the zd1211rw drivers for my belkin wireless g
00:09<phire>and i can't set up a wireless network
00:09<phire>i'm currently on ethernet cable chatting
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00:10<phire>err i should say looking for help
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00:13<chealer>phire: don't send non-personal messages in private without asking for permission first
00:13<phire>i apologize don't know rules yet
00:13<chealer>phire: you already wrote that. the problem is you didn't explain how you can be helped
00:13<phire>lets see
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00:14<phire>when i open the network connection configure thing it doesn't give me wireless as an option
00:14<phire>i'm sure i have the zd1211rw driver installed correctly
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00:14<alejandro>super noob question
00:14<alejandro>having trouble mounting usb hard drive
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00:14<phire>and i really just don't know how to set it up at all and i don't understand the walkthroughs that dpkg sends me to
00:14<alejandro>usually it does it on its own
00:15<alejandro>debian lenny
00:15<alejandro>i guess im just not sure what filesystem type to use
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00:15<alejandro>mount /dev/sda/ /mnt/pnt
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00:16<alejandro>what should the option for filesystem type be
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00:19<chealer>alejandro: depends on the filesystem type... you'd better let mount autodetect it
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00:19<alejandro>oh yeah
00:19<alejandro>how can i do that
00:19<phire>well i guess i'll try again tomorow (4 days in a row of trying to learn this man i feel dumb lol)
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00:21<chealer>alejandro: you just don't specify the option
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00:24<alejandro>oh really
00:24<alejandro>damn i dont
00:24<alejandro>and it still askes
00:24<alejandro>for one
00:24<alejandro>ill try it in a while again
00:24<alejandro>thanks though
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00:24<alejandro>i just tried another hard drive
00:24<alejandro>came out on the desktop on its own
00:26<RedMaw>sorry for the noob question but I just want to be sure, is 2GB enough for swap?
00:27<sney>more than enough
00:27<RedMaw>alright, thanks
00:27<tetsuo>!GB is more sufficient
00:27<dpkg>cannot alter locked factoids, tetsuo
00:27<sney>hell if you have a lot of ram you don't even really need swap, unless you're opening files that are bigger than your total amount of ram
00:28<RedMaw>the entire OS is going on dedicated drive so space isn't really a problem
00:33<chealer>!tell alejandro about enter
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00:33<alejandro>damn yeah
00:33<alejandro>sorrya bout that even though i keep doing
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00:34<alejandro>must be the weed...
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01:07<RedMaw>well this is strange, the first 4 times I installed debian my first lan port was etho0 and now it's etho1
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01:10<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
01:11<RedMaw>just thought it was strange how the installer gave them different names this time around
01:11<RedMaw>how would I know the installer has froze? I don't remember it taking a long to so start the partitoner
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01:13<sney>you're reinstalling for a 5th time?
01:13<sney>and yeah if it's taking more than a few seconds to start the partitioner on a modern system, it probably hung up, reboot
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01:13<RedMaw>yeah had some hdd troubles the last few times
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01:14<sney>have you entertained the possibility that you are experiencing a hard drive failure
01:14<RedMaw>now I'm on my 4/5 try to install it tonight, it always dies at the partition part
01:15<sney>I mean, if you've had a bunch of disk problems, and now it's hanging up at the partitioner, it sounds like HDD hardware issues to me
01:15<RedMaw>no, it's a new hdd that hasn't had any problems so far
01:15<RedMaw>been using for a couple weeks running win7 without any problems
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01:15<sney>hum. so what were the hdd problems before, just user error?
01:16<debam>hi to all, how to disable print to file option which comes after clicking print option
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01:17<RedMaw>what really happenned was I used to use a IDE drive and am now trying to put in on a SATA drive
01:18<sney>that shouldn't change a thing other than different /dev names
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01:20<ml|>i have had that happen in the past, installer would name eth0, and start a different install it would name eth1, but that's no biggie you change that after install
01:22<RedMaw>yeah, just thought it was odd
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01:43<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
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01:44<enouf>oh .,, jm_ already did that ...
01:44<snogglethorpe>anyone know if make-kpkg is somehow broken w/r/t 2.6.30?
01:44<snogglethorpe>the .debs I make don't install an initrd image
01:45<enouf>have you checked the author's/maintainer's blog?
01:45<snogglethorpe>tho it worked for me before, and outputs various noise about /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools etc
01:45<snogglethorpe>enouf: do you know where it is?
01:46<enouf>yes, newer versions require options set in /etc/kernel/*
01:47<enouf> to start
01:47<snogglethorpe>hmm, NEWS says it isn't supposed to work with release kernels anymore...
01:47<snogglethorpe>that sucks
01:49<enouf>snogglethorpe: it works, just that the debian-kernel team doesn't support it - they use make-debpkg
01:49<mistrynitesh>dpkg: what is executive information system
01:49<dpkg>mistrynitesh: what are you talking about?
01:50<enouf>!custom kernel
01:50<dpkg>read and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD".
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01:50<enouf>wtf dpkg ?
01:51<enouf>!kernel trunk
01:51<enouf>!trunk kernel
01:51<dpkg>Visit for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels. Also visit #debian-kernel on for more information on these kernels. See or ask me about <kernel package>. Remember these packages are previews and work in progress. Handle with care.
01:51<enouf>you motherf*er
01:52<enouf>!listvals make-debpkg
01:52<dpkg>Factoid search of 'make-debpkg' by value returned no results.
01:53<enouf>dumbass .. i am ,, i guess
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02:01<snogglethorpe>enouf: hey, following that README did it!
02:01<snogglethorpe>enouf: thanks!
02:01<snogglethorpe>enouf: (well i dunno if it _works_ but at least it installed the initrd image....)
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02:21<RedMaw>is "deb non-free" the correct path to the non-free source?
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02:22<sney>that's the correct path to the non-free stuff in volatile
02:22<sney>regular repos have a non-free section too
02:22<RedMaw>err, I hope it isn't right b/c apt-get doesn't work any more lol
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02:23<sney>for me it's:
02:23<RedMaw>I'm after the module-assistant and nvidia-kernal-common
02:23<sney>deb squeeze main non-free contrib
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02:24<sney>wait you need your distro name too
02:24<sney>so instead of the line you pasted, it would be deb lenny/volatile non-free
02:24<sney>and whenever you update your sources.list, make sure you do an apt-get (or aptitude) update
02:25<ml|>mine ... deb testing main contrib non-free
02:25<RedMaw>hmm, I still get the malformed line 14 in source list error
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02:27<sney>hmm, well mine doesn't have the trailing slash after debian-volatile
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02:27<sney>sometimes that makes a difference
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02:28<RedMaw>hmm, it updates now, need to add a space
02:28<RedMaw>it still can't find my packages though
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02:29<buff78>I love debian
02:29<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
02:30<sney>dpkg is bitter
02:30<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, sney
02:30<sney>don't worry dpkg, you'll find a nice lady bot someday
02:30<snogglethorpe>sney: it's true tho, what it says
02:30<snogglethorpe>tho dpkg left out the attribution: --Nietzsche
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02:32<RedMaw>hmm, guess I'll just get the nvidia drivers from their site
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02:33<jm_>do not do that
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02:34<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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02:35<RedMaw>I've been to the wiki and it's instructions no longer hold since the nvidia-kernal-common is not an available package. Or my sources.list is wrong
02:35<jm_>because it will mess with files managed by debian, causing problems when installing it the debian way etc.
02:35<snogglethorpe>and there's _nothing anybody can do_
02:35<jm_>it's nvidia-kernEl-common
02:35<snogglethorpe>(except wait for the next release)
02:36<RedMaw>still can't find the package
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02:37<ml|>RedMaw: you misspelled it
02:37<jm_>did you run apt update afte rediting sources.list?
02:37<sney>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-common
02:37<judd>sney: nvidia-kernel-common -- etch/contrib: 20051028+1 lenny/contrib: 20080825+1 sid/contrib: 20080825+1 squeeze/contrib: 20080825+1
02:37<sney>it's in contrib! is contrib in your sources.list RedMaw
02:37<RedMaw>main contrib is
02:38<sney>ok then you're probably just typing it wrong
02:38<sney>don't think about the spelling, just type it exactly the way I did, letter for letter
02:38<sney>there is no a in the word kernel
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02:39<RedMaw>still can't find it
02:39<sney>what command are you using
02:39<ml|>RedMaw: if it helps here is my sources.lit ...
02:39<RedMaw>apt-get install
02:39<sney>do an apt-get update then try again
02:39<jm_>!be apt-get barbie
02:39<dpkg>But apt-get is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry*
02:40<ml|>!why aptitude
02:40<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
02:40<sney>yes ml| but this is just one thing we're installing here and there is really no need to add extra confusion
02:41<ml|>sney: heh just suggesting to use aptitude is all ;)
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02:42<RedMaw>didn't know there was a difference between apt-get and aptitude...
02:42<RedMaw>after update it still won't find it
02:43<sney>does it show up if you do apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-common
02:44<sney>copy your sources.list to a paste site and let us see it
02:44<RedMaw>doing that atm
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02:46<sney>Red_Maw: add contrib to the first uncommented line
02:46<sney>line 6
02:46<jm_>and non-free
02:46<sney>and non-free
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02:50<Red_Maw>there we go it worked
02:50<Red_Maw>thanks for the help
02:50<ml|>!congratulate Red_Maw
02:50<dpkg>Huzzah Red_Maw, you did it!
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03:02<Red_Maw>well, I installed nvidia-kernel-source b/c I wasn't paying attention. Should I go back and install the defualt version?
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03:04<ml|>you should use a regular kernel and follow wiki for nvidia driver
03:04<paty>hi everybody
03:04<Red_Maw>wiki's script said defualt, w/e version that is
03:04<paty>i need help regarding :"how to break debian DVD into CDs
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03:17<RedMaw>how do you overide a readonly file?
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03:19<ml|>readonly? what file
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03:20<RedMaw>nvm, it decided to work
03:20<RedMaw>kind of
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03:22<RedMaw>how do I run the command "$ glxinfo |grep rendering"?
03:23<adama26>in a terminal, type glxinfo |grep rendering and hit enter
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03:23<RedMaw>it says command not found
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03:24<adama26>then you need to go back some steps in whatever instructions you are following I guess
03:24<adama26>gl, ciao
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03:26<yoshio>RedMaw: install a command called 'apt-file', you can use it to search for files. I typed "apt-file search glxinfo", and it gave me: mesa-utils: /usr/bin/glxinfo -- so install the package 'mesa-utils'. or you could have gone to and searched for the file
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03:41<bnichols>I am new what is this ?
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03:42<ffws>bnichols: ever heard of google or wikipedia?
03:42<bnichols>yes i have
03:42<ffws>bnichols: read it
03:43<ffws>bnichols: read the FAQ in the topic of this channel
03:43<bnichols>k _ out
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03:49<Red_Maw>okay, I need to get some sleep. Once again thanks for all the help
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04:08<unitypunk>what repositoys am i missing?
04:08<unitypunk>is there a list of them somewhere?
04:08<unitypunk>keep getting un meetable dependancies.
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04:16<stuckey_>Anyone know of a program that can create pdf forms? Not just files but the forms that you can send to people and then they can fill out?
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04:28<ml|>stuckey_: msg dpkg edit pdf that should help
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05:39<mick1987>send #17
05:39<Supaplex>I refuse!
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05:46<CraiZE>hello :)
05:46<NewCastleScott>Hows it going all, I think Im having trouble with this bug here is a ldd of svn and what Im missing any ideas how to resolve this?
05:46<jm_>NewCastleScott: how did you manage to install svn like that?
05:46<CraiZE>I was wondering if there is a nice FTP Server, that also has a remote admin (HTTP, application that runs under windows) to facilitate the setup? I know Serv-U on windows does this, but that sadly doesn't exist in Linux :(
05:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 414] by debhelper
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05:49<jm_>NewCastleScott: ahh right, a broken package
05:50<CraiZE>jm_, any idea as to FTP Server? :D
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05:51<jm_>CraiZE: no, I use vsftpd
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05:51<CraiZE>is it easy to setup?
05:52<jm_>yes, you just edit a text config file :)
05:52<CraiZE>well, i really liked the remote admin
05:52<CraiZE>with a GUI
05:53<ml|>also look at proftpd
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05:53<CraiZE>does that have a remote admin tool?
05:54<CraiZE>i currently run glftpd, but i have an issue with overwriting
05:54<CraiZE>it bitches about some dupecheck, even though i disabled it, and also bitches about file perms (altho they are 777)
05:55<Supaplex>!tell CraiZE -about paste
05:55<Supaplex>show us
05:55<CraiZE>oh, sure
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05:55<dominique>Hi! Which is an easy tool to burn DVDs from ISO using CLI?
05:55<CraiZE>im rebooting the server :)
05:55<jm_>dominique: growisofs
05:56<ml|>CraiZE: looks like it ... gadmin-proftpd - GTK+ configuration tool for proftpd
05:57<ml|>but i don't use that
05:57<CraiZE>ml|, ah, does it work only locally, or also by remote?
05:58<CraiZE>ok, lemem pastebin
05:58<NewCastleScott>jm I dont know exactly I have been running this distro fro about 12 hours is there a way around it?
05:58<CraiZE>this is the error i get
06:00<jm_>NewCastleScott: you're using debian for 12 hours and unstable at that?
06:00<NewCastleScott>CraiZE, use ssh if you need to change something for vsftpd
06:00<Supaplex>4am. wow.
06:00<NewCastleScott>jm_, yes...
06:00*Supaplex wonders off to zzZZzz land
06:00<Supaplex>CraiZE: btw,no idea there.
06:00<NewCastleScott>jm_, I didnt enable unstable across the bard though
06:00<CraiZE>Supaplex :D thought so
06:00<gsimmons>CraiZE: Try asking in #glftpd and #glhelp on
06:01<jm_>NewCastleScott: well that's what sometimes happens if you use unstable
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06:01<CraiZE>gsimmons, i have, nobody is responding :P
06:01<gsimmons>CraiZE: In both channels?
06:01<CraiZE>nope, only one :D
06:01<gsimmons>So try the other one.
06:01<dominique>which Graphical tool is for burning DVDs from images...
06:02<jm_>k3b and so on
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06:02<ml|>CraiZE: like i said dunno do apt-cache search proftpd you will some other things there
06:02<NewCastleScott>k3b works well dominique
06:02<NewCastleScott>jm_, I dont have the testing repos enabled at the moment
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06:02<gsimmons>CraiZE: Ask dpkg about ftpd (e.g. /msg dpkg ftpd) for information on FTP servers that are actually in Debian.
06:03<ml|>dominique: for cli try mybashburn
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06:03<dominique>I use Gnome!! does k3b work in gnome?
06:03<jm_>there's also a gnome burning app
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06:03<jm_>and nautilus-cd-burner
06:04<ml|>yeah gnomebaker
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06:04<ml|>and brasero
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06:04<CraiZE>thank you gsimmons
06:04<CraiZE>msg dpkg ftpd
06:06<NewCastleScott>jm_, do you recall the package version of svn that does work?
06:07<jm_>NewCastleScott: the one in lenny works ;)
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06:07<NewCastleScott>the repo I have enabled is for lenny
06:08<jm_>volatile only has very few packages
06:08<NewCastleScott>ahh can you recommend a "better" one
06:09<jm_>well regular Debian mirrors of lenny?
06:09<NewCastleScott>I have been working with what was shipped
06:09<NewCastleScott>Ill find it, thanks
06:09<ml|>dpkg: tell NewCastleScott about mirrors
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06:10<jm_>well just copy your current lines for unstable and change to lenny
06:10<NewCastleScott>thanks ml|
06:10<jm_>but it won't be easy downgrading it
06:11<ml|>isn't downgrading not supported?
06:11<petern>apt will only upgrade to newer packages
06:13<ml|>NewCastleScott: any reason why you need to use unstable
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06:14<vvas>apt *can* downgrade, and i have switched whole installations from unstable to testing/stable at times
06:14<NewCastleScott>no none at all really maybe to find broken packages but I dont know how to code so Im not the greatest at trying to patch 'em ml|
06:14<ml|>vvas: must had being a bit painful?
06:15<vvas>ml|: very easy actually
06:15<NewCastleScott>try that on gentoo /me shutters
06:15<jmho>hi, any idea when linux kernel 2.6.30 is going to be in sid?
06:15<jm_>NewCastleScott: you'll probably fare better with testing then
06:15<vvas>set up the right apt_preferences(5) recipe, dist-upgrade and you're done
06:15<ml|>NewCastleScott: yeah testing would be better
06:16<NewCastleScott>right on I dont mind so long as I can get some help
06:16<ml|>vvas: the right recipe ;)
06:16<jm_>jmho: kernel team has them available
06:16<jmho>jm_: ah great, where can I get them?
06:16<jm_>jmho: /m dpkg trunk kernel
06:17<vvas>ml|: it's fairly obvious once you read that manpage
06:17<jmho>jm_: thx
06:17<jm_>jmho: no worries
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06:18<ml|>i just remember that downgrading is not supported/adviced
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06:20<vvas>ml|: that is correct; but sometimes it's necessary/convenient nonetheless :^)
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06:22<ml|>jm_: when i tried vsftpd could not get . files to show up, did i miss something is that possible?
06:22<ml|>vvas: yeah ;)
06:23<jm_>ml|: try ls -a
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06:24<ml|>i did try with ncftp and filezilla
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06:26<jm_>try ftp or lftp, it definitely works fine
06:27<ml|>ok, so there is no setting to try?
06:27<jmho>jm_: hm, I think there is no 2.6.30 in "deb (trunk|sid) main"
06:28<jmho>or do I have to check out the svn?
06:28<vvas>2.6.30 only got released yesterday, i wouldn't expect debian packages to be out for it just yet
06:29<ml|>it worked fine with ssl, but could not get that to work so went back to proftpd, but try it again when i get a chance
06:29<jmho>vvas: yes, any idea how long it takes usually?
06:29<jm_>jmho: rc8 only, sorry, haven't spotted rc8 earlier
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06:30<vvas>jmho: no idea
06:30<jmho>jm_: hm, but I should get it if I add the deb lines to my sources.list, right?
06:31<jm_>jmho: sure
06:31<vvas>jmho: any particular reason you're wanting to get for 2.6.30?
06:31<vvas>s/get for/get/
06:31<jmho>vvas: yes, radeon r6xx drm
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06:32<jmho>vvas: so if there is a packages with updated drm modules that would be ok as well
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06:33<jmho>jm_: well, just tried that but only got an updated 2.6.29
06:34<vvas>jmho: hm, i don't think you can do much beyond (a) waiting for the debian packages to come out or (b) building your own
06:34<jm_>but seeing as how final .30 has many drm patches it's probably best to wait for that
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06:36<jmho>jm_: I see
06:37<vvas>come to think of it, i'm similarly waiting for 2.6.30 for intel drm/kms/etc
06:37<vvas>the whole graphics stack is in complete turmoil at the moment
06:37<jm_>tried kms with fedora 11 live cd :)
06:38<jmho>vvas: yes, I'm using drm from git on 2.6.29/gentoo on a different machine for quite some time w/o problems
06:38<vvas>it pains me to say it, but at the moment the most care-free computer i'm using is this regard is my main desktop computer which has an nvidia card and the binary drivers
06:38<vvas>s/is this/in this/
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06:40<vvas>jmho: cool, in my case the intel-based computers seem to have some sort of problem with every combination of kernel version + {xaa,exa,uxa} i've tried, it's a complete mess
06:40<jmho>well, currently it is in flux, probably it will take some time until this all settles down, but at least there is progress (and great progress, imho)
06:41<jmho>vvas: I heard that from a collegue too
06:42<jmho>but intel is also a little bit further in development than ati
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06:47<CraiZE>mmm, vsftpd wont let me create/delete directories, any reason to this?
06:48<jm_>it has a setting to disallow writes
06:48<jm_>and mkdir
06:48<CraiZE>I have enabled it, write_enable=YES
06:48<Supaplex>hahaha. this is awesome. li:~# ./ .... Checking for platform-specific packages.....................The Red Hat Version is not supported. grep -C 15 ... and oh, echo debian > /etc/redhat-release ; ./nsm ... Checking for platform-specific packages..................... success.
06:48<jm_>(mkdir is only for anon users)
06:49<CraiZE>nah, this is a registered user
06:49<stuckey_>Has anyone here played Spring on debian?
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06:49<jm_>then mkdir works just fine
06:49<locklace>!win Supaplex
06:49<dpkg>Congratulations, Supaplex! You have won the US presidency!
06:49<CraiZE>i can write files and delete them no problem :)
06:49<CraiZE>and dirs too now, odd
06:50<CraiZE>is it possible, to make /home/username appear as / in vsftpd?
06:50<Supaplex>locklace: funny how debian > /etc/redhat-release is okay. :)
06:50<jm_>CraiZE: yes, read about chroot in config file
06:50<CraiZE>ok :)
06:51<locklace>Supaplex: install scripts that do that kind of thing should be shot, and then given a firm scolding
06:51<Supaplex>indeed. hence why it lives in its very own vserver guest.
06:51<CraiZE>sweet hm!
06:51<CraiZE>that did it :D
06:51<CraiZE>no more glftpd for me :D
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06:52<Supaplex>!shot glftpd
06:52<Supaplex>!shoot glftpd
06:52*dpkg blows glftpd away with an Uzi
06:52<Supaplex>too much blood in my caffination stream here. :)
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06:52<jm_>important lesson learned - you don't always need GUI tool to configure stuff
06:53<CraiZE>i must say
06:53<CraiZE>debian in itself has come a long way
06:53<stuckey>Is it possible to use a unbutu repository with debian? Like if you wanted to backport software from it for lenny?
06:53<CraiZE>from when i ran it years ago
06:53<jm_>stuckey: not a good idea at all
06:54<stuckey>jm_: how bad of an idea is it? There's this game I want to play, but it's only packaged for Ubuntu and I've no idea how to compile it from source.
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06:54<jm_>stuckey: which one is it?
06:54<stuckey>jm_: The game? It's called Spring-ta:
06:55<jm_>stuckey: ahh so not packaged by ubuntu then?
06:55<stuckey>jm_: It's packaged in Ubuntu.
06:55<stuckey>jm_: It's not packaged in Debian
06:56<jm_>stuckey: where do you see it in ubuntu?
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06:57<stuckey>jm_: Aprrarently Ubuntu doesn't have a way to browse their repository from their website.
06:57<NewCastleScott>is there a way to prevent a newer version of a package from being installed? I have tried "aptitude forbid-version subversion=1.5.1dfsg1-2" but when I show subversion I only see the latest package. how would I find/install an older working package?
06:58<jm_>stuckey: right, unofficial repositories - a version for older ubuntu shall be OK
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06:58<stuckey>jm_: shall or should?
06:58<stuckey>jm_: Which version?
06:58<jm_>NewCastleScott: you can do it via pinning, also /msg dpkg sdn
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06:59<ml|>stuckey: maybe you download deb and install manually
06:59<jm_>stuckey: isn't that the same, shall/should? I am not sure which one, I would check which X / libc6 packages each ubuntu version has and then match that against debian
07:00<Supaplex>stuckey: I'd be careful. I tried that with a vmware wrapper they had, and it didn't play nice.
07:00<dpkg>well, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about <woody->sarge>. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISOs are still available: Ask me about <archive>.
07:00<Supaplex>er wait...
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07:00<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt []? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
07:00<Supaplex>!caffinate me
07:00*dpkg gives supaplex a bottle of Coke
07:00<stuckey>jm_: Shall is used as a verb in the infinite to show that something will take place in the future, should is the past tense of shall.
07:01<ml|>yeah it's a bad idea to mix things ;)
07:01<locklace>'a verb in the infinite' - sounds like a new deepak chopra book
07:01<stuckey>ml|: Yeah but this game is fucking awesome and it isn't pacakged for Debian
07:02<ml|>stuckey: try to compile it
07:02<stuckey>ml|: Should I use this: ?
07:03<krazykit>only if you want to be a server
07:03<krazykit>and not actually play
07:03<stuckey>jm_: But that doesn't mean that should is past tense; it can be present tense, e.g., "It should work".
07:04<ml|>stuckey: did you read this ....
07:04<jm_>stuckey: yeah, I was gonna complain abou tthat but it's not that important ;)
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07:05<ml|>they also have a binary
07:05<stuckey>ml|: Thanks, but what does: Also, on 64-bit be sure to build against devIl 1.6.8-rc2 or higher, 1.6.7 has a bug in the PNG loading code that causes issues this mean?
07:05<sheldonh>what's wrong with this control file (error message included in paste)?
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07:07<ml|>stuckey: you on 64bit? it means to use devIl 1.6.8-rc2 or higher
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07:07<stuckey>ml|: Yes
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07:07<stuckey>ml|: So I need to install this package?
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07:09<ml|>if you decide to complite it yes read that page it explains what you need to do
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07:10<stuckey>ml|: How do I install this devIl 1.6.8-rc2?
07:11<ml|>stuckey: you can get more help here ... #taspring @ FreeNode
07:12<sheldonh>i don't get it. i specify a package name. dpkg-deb just doesn't get to the next line of the control file
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07:15<Iceman>Anyone here currently using the Sparc64 version of debian?
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07:16<darrob>hi. i have a lvm/luks encrypted laptop. is it possible to make a bootable clone (e.g. flash drive) from its internal drive's installation?
07:16<Iceman>really not sure on that one
07:16<stuckey>Anyone here used "checkinstall" before?
07:16<Iceman>not i
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07:18<locklace>darrob: sure. dd works
07:18<Iceman>im basically trying to find a possible Java solution for the Sparc64 Version of Debian 5.0... apparently the blackdown solution is gone :(
07:18<Iceman>cant really complain on how well Debian works on a 4U SMP though
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07:21<Iceman>Wondering.. is there any support for Java for Sparc64 versions at this point?
07:23<jm_>Iceman: try gcj
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07:23<darrob>locklace: nice to hear that. i'll give it a try. thank you.
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07:24<Iceman>jm_: thanks for the heads up.. hoping this will work as an alternate solution :)
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07:28<CraiZE>hrm, in my phpmyadmin (if anyone knows), once i try to drop a database, it tells me "drop database" statements are disabled
07:28<CraiZE>any chance of telling me how to enable them?
07:30<Iceman>CraiZE: did you by change disable this option in the phpmyadmin config?
07:30<stuckey>!judd versions
07:30<CraiZE>well, i havent found its config :P
07:30<CraiZE>i think it was disabled by default
07:31<Iceman>CraiZE: how did you install phpmyadmin?
07:31<stuckey>!judd versions libboost-thread-dev
07:31<CraiZE>i downloaded it off the web, and copied it to a folder on the server
07:31<CraiZE>and woosh, it worked :P
07:31<Iceman>CraiZE: what dist do you have?
07:31<Iceman>there is an easier way
07:32<Iceman>not too sure how the setup was done from download
07:32<stuckey>ml|: I need libboot-threads-dev greater than 1.35
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07:32<stuckey>ml|: and all other boost packages on the page to be greater than 1.35
07:32<Iceman>if you unistall that version and do apt-get install phpmyadmin
07:32<stuckey>ml|: Are there backports available?
07:33<locklace>judd versions libboost-thread-dev
07:33<judd>locklace: libboost-thread-dev -- etch: 1.33.1-10 lenny: 1.34.1-14 squeeze: 1.34.1-15+b1 sid: 1.38.1
07:33<Iceman>it will get give you a better install to start with
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07:34<Iceman>how did you install MySQL or are you using Postgre?
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07:36<Iceman>hmm.. the package i install still requires and/or looks for jre1.5 or 1.6 when started the dpkg install
07:37<Iceman>however gcj is a good solution
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08:00<CraiZE>hm, i installed phpmyadmin from the debian package (apt-get), but i cant seem to find out where it is located?
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08:09<llutz>CraiZE: dpkg -L phpmyadmin|less
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08:34<CraiZE>Hmmm, i installed apache, set the root directory to /home/web, where also the user "web" has his home, and i use it via vsftpd... however, it seems apache has issues with rights, to read that directory, when they are owned by that user (web) ? is this normal?
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08:50<R1ck>i have 9 servers who are malfunctioning after upgrading to lenny :s
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08:52<azeem>R1ck: do you need help?
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08:59<valdyn>CraiZE: apache defaults to running as www-data
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09:07<stuckey>Okay so I'm trying to upgrade my versions of libboost; I've made .deb files from sid with a higher version, but now I've got like 20 .deb files (I only compiled 4 or 5 packages). So am I going to have to just use dpkg -i on all of them, and then go searching for all the dependencies or is there an easier way?
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09:08<cck>Hi, i've switched to debian, and i'm now trying to configure my pure-ftpd-mysql, i used to have a giant line to launch it, but it seems that on debian i have to create /etc/pureftpd/conf/OPTIONFILE with yes in it, but i don't get where i can find all the option files names and how i can for exemple limit same ip access to 2
09:09<locklace>stuckey: easiest way to me seems to be just download the sid libboost .debs manually and install with dpkg -i. this isn't too bad since their only dependency is the c++ standard library
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09:11<stuckey>locklace: Why did I end up with like 20 debs when I backported them from sid?
09:11<azeem>stuckey: apt-cache showsrc boost1.38 | grep ^Binary
09:12<stuckey>azeem: and?
09:12<azeem>I am not sure why you are surprised about 20 debs
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09:12<stuckey>azeem: I don't know either
09:12<stuckey>azeem: Why should I not be?
09:12<azeem>because it's expected?
09:13<azeem>if you build a package, you build all the binary packages
09:13<azeem>in this, 20
09:13<stuckey>azeem: No, I didn't expcet it.
09:13<stuckey>azeem: What's a binary package?
09:13<azeem>a .deb
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09:13<stuckey>azeem: But I only need to install a few those of those packages?
09:13<azeem>I didn't say you expected it, I said "people" expect it
09:13<stuckey>azeem: I don't need to isntall all of them... just the ones I wanted, right?
09:13<stuckey>azeem: I'm a person, I didn't expect it, therefore, everyone doesn't expect it.
09:13<azeem>I don't think your logic holds
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09:15<stuckey>azeem: which logic?
09:15<azeem>the "therefore... "bit
09:16<stuckey>azeem: No that's definitely a logical argument
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09:21<lkcl>hi folks, i found a project called "trilogy" - it's a peer-to-peer real-time video distribution system:
09:21<lkcl>they're just about finished, and are getting ready for publication.
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09:22<felixd>Hi there, I've problem with named (bind9). I uses more and more memory. I run 2 mln of dns queries and it was using more than 2GB of RAM
09:23<felixd>is it becouse of cache? if yes, can I limit it somehow ?
09:23<felixd>or should I just disable it ?
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09:29<buffoon_work_>felixd, 2mln == 2 million?
09:29<Tuplad>hey! If I do this: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'model name' | sed -e 's/model name.*: //' I get a double output for model name because my cpuinfo file is doubling all the information, anyone knows a workaround by chance ? (cpuinfo: )
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09:30<valdyn>Tuplad: pipe thru uniq
09:30<azeem>Tuplad: add a "sort -u" or uniq behind the first grep
09:30<felixd>buffoon_work_: yes
09:30<valdyn>Tuplad: information is doubled because you have 2 processor cores
09:30<felixd>2 milion queries, done in about 10h ;]
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09:31<Tuplad>valdyn: yeah, that's what I thought
09:31<felixd>and my server went out of ram, started to use Swap ;/
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09:31<Tuplad>perfect! sort -u :)
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09:33<buffoon_work_>that's a lot though... And I'm really not sure, but I guess caching is done on the FS and not just in RAM so I think the RAM is used for the responses and not just for caching
09:33<buffoon_work_>isn't it possible to upgrade to more than 2 GB RAM?
09:34<felixd>eh ;) but It still grows
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09:34<felixd>I've script that does queries
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09:34<felixd>Iv'e checked all and only named starts to use more and more memory
09:35<felixd>when I restart named it starts to use normla amount of mem, hmm
09:36<felixd>found this
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09:37<felixd>ok got it I think, there is max-cache-size option for bind9
09:37<samantha-c>is there a gui configuration widget front-end for xrandr?
09:38<azeem>samantha-c: grandr
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09:38<vvas>samantha-c: most desktop environments seem to come with such a configuration dialog these days
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09:43<kingnerd>hey guys.. If I am an op in game and hit load level from the menu, will it override the level on the server with the one in my save file?
09:43<Comanderxv>whois jthomas
09:44<samantha-c>i dont understand why i'm getting errors about setting max screen size width to 2304 when the max width is 1280. this is a laptop with an intel video chip and a vga output. but i can't figure out how to enable extended output
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09:46<azeem>kingnerd: depends on the game I guess; how is your question related to #debian?
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09:46<kingnerd>oh... wow... I'm in the wrong channel.. Sorry guys
09:47<bremner>samantha-c, there is a hardware limitation of 2xxx on some intel chips. You might be above that
09:47<samantha-c>bremner, desired setting is 2304 wide. i know this chip is capable of it because i've enabled it in other operating systems and in other distributions of linux.
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09:48<bremner>samantha-c, well that's all I can think of. Are you running the same version of on the other linux distros?
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09:49<samantha-c>bremner, i fried the other distribution so i can't easily answer that. however, they should be close -- squeeze vs ubuntu 9.04
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09:50<bremner>samantha-c, you could look on the ubuntu web site maybe. Or maybe someone else has some ideas.
09:50<vvas>samantha-c, i would imagine that you would need to set the two outputs separately, instead of setting their combined width
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09:53<linduxed>something is making my harddive go "tick tack tick tack"
09:53<linduxed>i have no idea what, any process that could be the culprit?
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09:54<petemc>could be death throes
09:54<locklace>linduxed: better install smartmontools
09:54<linduxed>locklace: and do what?
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09:55<locklace>linduxed: paste output of "smartctl -a /dev/sda" where /dev/sda is whatever your actual drive device is
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09:55<vvas>linduxed: what does hdparm -B say for the drive?
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09:56<jthomas_sb_>linduxed make sure to have backups of data -- IMMEDIATLY
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09:57<vvas>linduxed: (i'm assuming this is a laptop)
09:57<linduxed>[15:56:46]:~$ hdparm -B /dev/sda
09:57<linduxed> -B: bad/missing power-management-mode value (1..255)
09:57<vvas>ah, it cannot read it back
09:57<jthomas_sb_>data is not replaceable; smartmontools may tell you if the drive is bad or not but what good is that if the drive dies in the next 5 minutes?
09:57<vvas>well, do hdparm -B 255 and see if it goes away
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09:58<linduxed>vvas: nope
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09:58<linduxed>jthomas_sb_: well i dont know when it started
09:59*snubby nods
09:59<linduxed>jthomas_sb_: noticed it now
09:59<jthomas_sb_>sure, so back up now.
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09:59<jthomas_sb_>who cares how long its been going? if you don't have a backup of your data, even with a working drive, you're asking for problems
09:59<linduxed>jthomas_sb_: i have
09:59<linduxed>or well
09:59<jthomas_sb_>ok then ignore me :)
10:00<linduxed>its 20 days old i think though
10:00<linduxed>something like that
10:00<jthomas_sb_>as long as you're happy with it
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10:00<linduxed>what was the find command for checking what files have been changed in /home/linduxed the last 20 days or so
10:02<sheldon85>in what way can i see users list on Xchat??
10:02<petemc> /names
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10:05<linduxed>locklace: i got this smartctl -a /dev/sda
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10:05<linduxed>oh and for som strange reason the drive stopped clicking just now
10:05<linduxed>like a second ago...
10:06<linduxed>this shit is getting maximally wierd
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10:08<petemc>theres nothing weird about a hard drive clicking...
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10:10<locklace>linduxed: the most worrying things there are the drive temperature, seek error rate and hw ecc corrections
10:10<linduxed>OH SHIT
10:10<linduxed>it started clicking again
10:11<linduxed>petemc: well its doing so for a long time
10:11<petemc>how long is long?
10:11<linduxed>and it seriously sounds like a clock
10:11<petern>you got backups, right?
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10:11<linduxed>petemc: for an hour now i think
10:11<petern>40-45 deg C is not an issue, temperature-wise
10:12<linduxed>petemc: and thats how long ive noticed it
10:12<petemc>thats not long..
10:12<linduxed>petern: well for the most part
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10:13<linduxed>locklace: unfortunately that doesnt say me anything
10:13<linduxed>locklace: not that savvy when it comes to drives
10:13<locklace>petemc: where are you getting that value from
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10:15<linduxed>locklace: any tips on the temp, seek error rate and hw ecc corrs?
10:15<locklace>linduxed: you've experienced at least one smart failure in the past (airflow temp), and you've had some significant amount of seek errors and ecc corrections although they're not currently in a failure state
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10:15<petern>did you say the drive is 20 days old?
10:16<linduxed>locklace: so in laymans terms the harddrive is endangered to fail soon?
10:16<locklace>linduxed: so looks to me like the drive is in working condition but not optimally so (it's likely to hit one or more failure thresholds again). for best peace of mind, back up your data and consider replacing it
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10:16<Flakk>Hi people I have just installed lenny. Launching rkhunter gives the follwong warning message: Warning: The file '/usr/sbin/unhide' exists on the system, but it is not present in the rkhunter.dat file. Is this a dangerous file to clean? or just something which is not yet in the database of rkhunter?
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10:17<linduxed>locklace: i think i will
10:17<petern>hmm, power on time is 160 days apparently
10:18<hever>Is it possible to reserve a core in a multi core processor for a specified application? something like "use_core x command" ?
10:18<locklace>linduxed: also check your system for temp/cooling issues
10:18<bremner>Flakk, unhide seems to be used by rkhunter, so the message is weird
10:19<petern>locklace, what temp would you rather see?
10:19<locklace>hever: man taskset
10:19<locklace>petern: rather see than what?
10:19<Flakk>bremner: so this basically implies that something is wrong in my system?
10:20<linduxed>locklace: could it have something to do with the fact that the system refused to shutdown (some timeout i guess) which i didnt know about, which made me cook the laptop in my backpack for an hour?
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10:20<linduxed>that was some time ago
10:20<linduxed>but still
10:20<locklace>linduxed: hehe, possibly
10:20<bremner>Flakk, I don't know for sure, but I guess it is not a serious problem. See if it goes away when you upgrade rkhunter
10:21<Flakk>bremner: I have installed it from scratch
10:21<hever>locklace, interesting. And I can specify that the os never uses a given core? (Then I could use that core for special apps for example a VM.)
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10:21<bremner>Flakk, hang on, I'll install rkhunter
10:22<locklace>hever: that would be quite silly
10:22<hever>locklace, why ?
10:23<locklace>hever: because the kernel does a much better scheduling job than you do
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10:23<stuckey>ml|: There's really not much help in #ta-spring
10:23<bremner>Flakk, I guess it is a bug in rkhunter, I get the same warning
10:24<Flakk>bremner : OK, thanx )
10:25<MyWifeIs19>trying to print using CUPS. http://localhost:631/printers/ jobs tab shows print job completed but nothing printed. turned on the debug option, restarted cups. it shows bunch of read write messages, all seems well. there were some "unauthorized" messages, so tried as root. same thing. any ideas?
10:26<bremner>MyWifeIs19, can you print a test page
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10:26<MyWifeIs19>bremner, i tried that. same thing, it shows job completed, but no actual print....
10:27<Flakk>MyWifeIs19 - I am a newbie, but had the same prob yesterady, maybe this couold help - I had a wrong driver installed by defalut
10:27<Flakk>when installing lenny
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10:28<Flakk>then I have corrected the driver (through localhost:631) and it worked
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10:29<MyWifeIs19>Flakk, when I visted http://localhost:631/ for the first time, it asked for what kind of printer. so I selected epson stylus photo.....
10:29<Flakk>that is OK -
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10:30<Flakk>but each printer has drivers and either lenny choses itself (as it is in my case) or you can try to do it yourself
10:30<Flakk>sorry- each printer NEEDS drivers
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10:30<MyWifeIs19>Flakk, how did you check which driver was used?
10:30<Flakk>let me check it (I always had probs at this place)
10:32<Flakk>this should say Printer driver: xxxx
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10:33<MyWifeIs19>Flakk, mine do say "Printer Driver: Epson Stylus Photo Series, 1.3"
10:33<MyWifeIs19>Flakk, do you remember what it said when you had problem?
10:33<Flakk>and does this match your printer?
10:34<MyWifeIs19>and it does match my print.
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10:34<Flakk>oh it did not say much: just "the job completed"
10:34<Flakk>then I just do not know - my experience does not help then
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10:35<eres>i have a little trouble with debian
10:35<Flakk>(but check it carefully_ different epson stylus can have different drivers
10:36<Flakk>the number of the model and all this
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10:36<eres>debian 5.0 lenny + ati proprietary driver (fglrx) )
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10:37<eres>how i can change overscan without CCC &
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10:38<mortuusrex>Hello, is anyone available to help me with an installation issue?
10:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:39<eres>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080
10:39<eres>default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm
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10:40<eres>but on my philips 42pfl desktop overscanned
10:41<mortuusrex>I have a problem with installation, I am trying to install Debian 5.0.1 Lenny, If I pick graphical Install it starts and then stops at "ide-cs: hda : Vpp = 0.0"
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10:52<ignaziotia>Hello. I have problems with fonts in kde applications (konqueror, amarok to name a few) and I don't find the solution, tried a lot. Have a look: Any idea?
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10:56<stuckey>I'm trying to compile a program on lenny; I get this error:
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11:16<slind>Ich möchte eine Partition mit parted vergrößern. Dazu muss ich START und END angeben....Die Partition, die ich vergrößern will ist /dev/sda1....Den Platz will ich allerdings von /dev/sda9 wegnehmen (-50GB)....Muss ich jetzt alle Partitionen von 1 bis 9 ändern?
11:17<Comanderxv>also ... nur so zur iinfo .. mit englisch kommst du hier in dem channel deutlich weiter
11:17<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
11:18<Comanderxv>ich denke nicht das du alle ändern musst ...
11:18<slind>oh sorry
11:18<Comanderxv>solange du diese nicht komplett löschst
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11:18<johnfg>hi folks
11:18<johnfg>which do you think is the best VM for debian lenny?
11:19<slind>Aber für mich sieht es so aus als würde der START-Punkt der nächsten Partition immer gleich dem END-Punkt der vorherigen entsprechen
11:19<petemc>johnfg: theres no best, xen works well for me
11:19<slind>Aber ich geh erstmal in, Danke schonmal!
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11:19<bja>slind: I glaube das in sollt du sein
11:19<bja>slind: Sorry for my german little rusty
11:20<bja>johnfg: Define best
11:20<johnfg>petemc, Any special things to be aware of before installing xen?
11:20<slind>bja, no problem - thanx =)
11:20<johnfg>bja, No, I should have asked, which VM are you using, which do you like, etc.
11:20<petemc>johnfg: you would probably want to read up on it a bit
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11:20<petemc>the debian wiki has some info
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11:21<gsimmons>johnfg: /msg dpkg xen; /msg dpkg virtualization
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11:22<locklace>johnfg: my recommendation is kvm, if you have a cpu that supports virtualization extensions
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11:22<johnfg>gsimmons, Thanks! That's showing me some of what I asked.
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11:22<locklace>johnfg: it's integrated in the mainline linux kernel and xen is a huge pain in the arse by comparison
11:22<johnfg>locklace, Unfortunatley I don't.
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11:23<locklace>johnfg: ok. well you can still use it (run it as kvm -no-kvm, which is basically qemu), but you won't have the hw acceleration
11:23<johnfg>locklace, I guess I can give kvm a try.
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11:25<bja>why does this line "scp -r user@* ./" doesn't work in zsh and it does in bash?
11:25<locklace>bja: try adding a \ before *
11:26<bja>locklace: thx
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11:26<johnfg>bja, I read the info provided in synaptic package manager about kvm, and my cpu definitely does * not* provide hardware virtualization.
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11:27<johnfg>So, in the line of what you spoke of, either qemu or kqemu instead (or xen).
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11:28<bja>johnfg: As someone told me, "Try all of them and let god, sort them apart"
11:29<bja>johnfg: Or something similar he he
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11:29<bja>locklace: why do you have to escape the * on zsh?
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11:29<valdyn>bja: who is expanding the *
11:30<flami>Hi, Im trying to use my Usb stick to install testing. it boots fine , but the installer doesnt seem to be able to find the netinst iso. is there a way to help it find the iso?
11:30<bja>valdyn: zsh
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11:30<valdyn>bja: so that is why it doesnt work?
11:30<valdyn>bja: i think you want to put it in ' '
11:31<bja>valdyn: yes the * needs to be escaped
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11:31<valdyn>bja: oh, nevermind, you solved that already..
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11:33<locklace>bja: zsh can do all kinds of advanced wildcard expansion so using wc chars in general is going to be processed by the shell
11:33<locklace>bja: in the bash case it just happens to see that the pattern doesn't correspond to a file and passes the wc through
11:34<bja>locklace: thx i got it
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11:36<oznt>hi everyone, for a couple of weeks now I try to compile java for octave without success. It's really weired - what is debian doing to java ? Can someone help ?
11:36<locklace>bja: there's still probably some option that controls it, check man zshoptions
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11:37<gsimmons>bja: NOMATCH and NULL_GLOB, IIRC.
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11:39<stuckey>I'm getting this error when trying to compile something:
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11:44<bja>locklace, gsimmons: thx I'm looking into it
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11:46<MyWifeIs19>how do I find which packages were pulled in, which could be a subset of dependency, by aptitude when I installed package <x>?
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11:47<petemc>aptitude why foo
11:47<petemc>if i understand you correctly
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11:49<MyWifeIs19>petemc, I installed package foo. I want to find out which other packages were installed by installing foo except for those already installed.
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11:51<petemc>oh, /var/log/aptitude /var/log/dpkg.log
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12:17<gecko_>i have compile the libdrm2.4.9 without any error, but when i try to compile intel driver i got this msg: Requested 'libdrm >= 2.4.6' but version of libdrm is 2.0.2
12:17<berto>it's looking for a package named libdrm, not libdrm2.4.9
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12:18<berto>(I assume you're creating a debian package)
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12:19<themill>judd versions libdrm-dev
12:19<judd>themill: libdrm-dev -- etch: 2.0.2-0.1 lenny: 2.3.1-2 squeeze: 2.3.1-2 sid: 2.4.11-1 experimental: 2.4.11+git+20090519+f355ad8-1
12:19<bremner>if I remove /var/cache/apt/*pkgcache.bin, will these be rebuilt by apt/aptitude?
12:19<themill>gecko_: what intel driver are you compiling and is there a particular reason you're trying to do it on etch?
12:20<enouf>bremner you could instead just mv it elsewhere and see
12:21<bremner>true enouf
12:22<stuckey>Anyone know why I get this error: ???
12:23<themill>bremner: they're rebuilt on apt-get update (at least)
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12:25<bremner>themill, enouf thanks, it works fine rebuilding them. But I still have a "size mismatch" trying to install highlight-common from sid. It works find on three i386 machines, and fails on an amd64. But it is arch all...
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12:27<themill>bremner: have you tried clearing the downloaded .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives? (check the size of the .deb against apt-cache show if you want)
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12:29<Kumool>ello... hmm i need to remove some packages which are unused but i dont know how to see which packages are no longer needed by other packages (as dependencies) does anyone know?
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12:29<themill>Kumool: do you use aptitude to install packages?
12:29<enouf>apt-get autoclean might help
12:29<Kumool>the-dude, yes
12:30<bremner>themill, enouf, did aptitude clean, but I think I may be onto the problem. back in a sec
12:30<themill>Kumool: then aptitude will automatically clean up packages that were dragged in only as a dependency
12:30<enouf>also, debfoster and deborphan .. but if using aptitude, use that
12:30<Kumool>the-dude, aptitude said there were some no longer used packages but i didnt remove them at the moment
12:30<themill>enouf: you mean autoremove?
12:31<Kumool>so it didnt remove them, but that option doesnt appear anymore
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12:31<enouf>themill: no, i mean autoclean ;-)
12:31<themill>enouf: for whom? Kumool or bremner?
12:32<themill>(I can't see how it would help either, which is why I'm asking)
12:32<enouf>themill: Kumool - sorry if i caused any confusion ... timing
12:32<enouf>i can
12:33<the-dude>Kumool: ?
12:33<enouf>bad tab the-dude
12:33<themill>the-dude: go back to sleep :)
12:33<Kumool>the-dude, eh?
12:33<enouf>he meant themill
12:33<the-dude>thx ;)
12:33<Kumool>the-dude, oh sorry i didnt notice
12:33<bremner>ok, so having the same version of a binary package in two different repos confuses the heck out of apt
12:34<the-dude>Kumool: no worries :)
12:34<themill>bremner: ahh yes... version numbers are supposed to be unique to the contents of the package.
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12:36<bremner>themill: yeah, the worst part is I thought I deleted the package from a private repo, but I failed at reprepro
12:36<themill>bremner: dch --local or dch --bpo :)
12:37<bremner>ahh, a good idea.
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12:38<bremner>I was under the delusion that reprepro would delete all of the binaries if I gave it the source package name. No idea why I thought that.
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12:40<themill>bremner: aiui, removesrc not remove
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12:41<bremner>themill: damn you and your man page reading cleverness :-)
12:41<themill>!win me
12:41<dpkg>Congratulations, themill! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
12:41<simonrvn>would be nice to have visuals in manuals, for us visual-oriented people
12:42<themill>ascii art!
12:42<simonrvn>sometimes i have to read something like 6 times in a row to get some of it :(
12:42<stuckey>error -->
12:43<bremner>stuckey: this is a debian package?
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12:43<stuckey>bremner: no it's spring-ta; a game
12:44<stuckey>But the ta-spring channel is dead
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12:44<bremner>!tell stuckey -about ubuntu
12:44<stuckey>What's this have to do with ubuntu?
12:44<bremner>generalization is left as an exercise to the reader :-)
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12:44<themill>stuckey: either their build-system is broken and is not including the boost headers in that file or it needs a version of boost different to the one you have installed.
12:45<jthomas_sb_>Anyone know how to clone an installed system to make a Debian liveCD with installer? Someone here said to try 'lh_config --clone' but that flag isn't an option.
12:45<stuckey>themill: Thanks, how do I go about determining which is the case?
12:45<themill>stuckey: check the "requirements" or "how to build" section on their web page to see what version of boost you need
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12:47<stuckey>themill: 1.35.*, but I have newer installed, from sid: 1.3.8
12:47<unitypunk>is etch very far outdated?
12:47<stuckey>unitypunk: relative to what?
12:47<unitypunk>is there 2 new releases or just one?
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12:48<plugwash>unitypunk, etch is currently olstable, lenny is currently stable and squeeze is currently testing (that is not released yet)
12:48<themill>stuckey: when it comes to boost, newer is not always what you need.
12:48<stuckey>themill: What is boost? I tried it with the version in stable but I got the same error.
12:48<themill>stuckey: you need to ask upstream. If their channel is dead, try their mailing list
12:49<simonrvn>oldstable, that was a typo
12:49<unitypunk>so it is old.
12:49<unitypunk>is it important to catch up to lenny
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12:49<unitypunk>or am i okay staying with etch
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12:49<themill>unitypunk: I have several etch servers that are doing very nicely still for me. Some day I'll upgrade them to lenny... but etch still has another 6 or 7 months of security support left
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12:50<unitypunk>okay. thanks :)
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12:51<unitypunk>when i try to install php5 packages, they have unmet dependancies, not usualy a problem, eccept whne the dependancies are looking for newer versions they i have available in the repos...
12:51<unitypunk>so am i missing repos?
12:51<themill>unitypunk: in etch?
12:51<unitypunk>yes in etch
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12:51<themill>unitypunk: Please pastebin the command you gave, the entire output and also the output of "apt-cache policy"
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12:53<unitypunk>for the command/output
12:53<themill>unitypunk: you seem to have an interesting mix of etch and lenny here
12:53<unitypunk>out put of apt-cache policy
12:54<themill>and dotdeb :(
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12:54<unitypunk>the only guide to installing php5 says to get it from dotdeb repos.
12:54<unitypunk>atleast the one i found.
12:54<themill>Then it was written for sarge.... that makes it somewhat less than current
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12:55<vvas>surely etch already has php5 packages included, no?
12:55<themill>unitypunk: comment out the dotdeb line from your sources.list; aptitude update; try again
12:55<themill>vvas: it does
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12:56<themill>unitypunk: btw you probably don't want the apache module *and* the CGI version installed. You probably don't need the cli version either
12:56<themill>dpkg: tell unitypunk about install php
12:56<unitypunk>i dont understand..
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12:57<unitypunk>im not even trying to isntall apache.
12:57<themill>unitypunk: what do you want to do with php5 then?
12:57<unitypunk>i need php5 for a robot for my org on an mmp
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12:57<unitypunk>its a php script.
12:57<unitypunk>i b3elieve
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12:58<themill>unitypunk: it doesn't get run through a browser at all then?
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12:58<unitypunk>i dont think so..
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12:58<themill>unitypunk: then just "aptitude php5-cli" will be sufficient. You can always install the others later if you find that you do need them
12:58<themill>err.... "aptitude install php5-cli"
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13:01<unitypunk>after php-cli isdone.
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13:01<unitypunk>php -v actualy responded.
13:02<unitypunk>thanks mate ;)
13:02<unitypunk>i bet apache2 is half set up in there somewhere lol
13:04<wekt>(Is there)/(Where is) documentation on how to make a repository if you have the deb package files? I know I need to make a Packages.gz somehow, sign it, and add the key I signed it with to a keyring. My purpose is to make a repository of all the debian DVDs I have so that I can install those packages without swapping DVDs in the DVD drive or without having a DVD drive plugged in.
13:04<themill>!own repo
13:04<dpkg>Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro>
13:04<wekt>And the winner in speed is themill!
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13:05<wekt>But I'm still curious. Is that documented aside from in dpkg?
13:05<wekt>I mean the dpkg bot.
13:06<themill>wekt: there are other tools for doing what you're trying to do (I think). I never use the DVDs though... just download the .debs as needed
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13:07<stuckey>themill: I installed newer versions of these libboost pakages but then when I do "apt-cache policy" I see: Installed: 1.34.1-14
13:07<Comanderxv>anybody know how an installer from a livecd works??
13:07<stuckey>That's the lenny version, but I installed newer versions from sid with dpkg
13:08<bremner>stuckey: can't you use apt-get or aptitude to install the boost version (it sounds like what you did did not work)
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13:08<stuckey>bremner: Sure you can
13:08<themill>stuckey: sounds like you have a delicious blend of different boost packages now
13:08<unitypunk>how do i rename a file, or files?
13:08<leejongwook>i have a little question about firewall
13:09<unitypunk>from bash
13:09<leejongwook>i mean i need a firewal :(
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13:09<themill>unitypunk: mv if it's one file. rename if it's lots of files (but you'll want to know perl regexps for rename)
13:09<stuckey>themill: It isn't so delicious when my compile fails
13:09<leejongwook>you all dont use firewall (?)
13:09<bremner>stuckey: I meant, you should use apt-get or aptitude rather than dpkg if at all possible
13:09<unitypunk>theres a rename command.
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13:09<unitypunk>is that also the same as mv?
13:09<stuckey>bremner: I used apt-get to get them from sid, build .debs, and then installed them like that.
13:10<themill>unitypunk: man rename
13:10<stuckey>bremner: I wasn't aware of another way
13:10<leejongwook>i have tried to learn about iptables but it didn't work as i expect.. and i have found some simple firewall(ufw in ubuntu) but dont know how to get it
13:10<leejongwook><-- i have debian lenny @_@
13:10<bremner>stuckey: change your sources.list, add a preferences with sid at -10 and apt-get install foobar/sid
13:10<stuckey>bremner: huh?
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13:11<leejongwook>T-T need a firewall
13:11<bremner>stuckey: well, you have a sid repo in /etc/apt-source.list right?
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13:11<stuckey>bremner: Yeah, it was just deb-src though
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13:12<bremner>stuckey: so if you add deb, then you want an /etc/apt/preferences file that only installs thing from sid when you explicitly ask for it
13:13<stuckey>bremner: this sounds interesting... how do I make this preferences file?
13:13<bremner> stuckey: here is my /etc/apt/preferences:
13:13<leejongwook>i found ufw @_@
13:14*bremner notes for the ethics police that he is not encouraging mixing stable and sid, but if you must, use aot
13:14<bremner>apt even
13:14<stuckey>bremner: so I can just copy yours?
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13:15<bremner>stuckey: assuming you are running lenny.
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13:15<stuckey>bremner: Okay so I copied it to /etc/apt/preferences
13:15<themill>bremner: a backport might be safer although for a devel library it probably doesn't matter
13:15<bremner>now, you have to pay attention to when apt-get offers to delete half your system for you
13:15<stuckey>bremner: Now what do I have to do to isntall something from sid?
13:16<bremner>stuckey: you want boost from sid right? (also as themill says, you should check out backports)
13:16<stuckey>themill: How do you do a backport?
13:16<stuckey>bremner: Yeah a bunch of boost packages...
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13:16<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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13:17<stuckey>themill: Yeah, that's what I did, but I still had the same package version when I was done.
13:17<themill>it obviously failed somewhere then...
13:17<stuckey>themill: And is there really any packages in the backports repository? Because, everytime I look I don't find anything.
13:18<themill>there are many, but only selected ones that are known to work well in lenny and where someone want to take responsibility for it. Etch backports has heaps, lenny has a growing collection (e.g. openoffice 3 is there)
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13:20<stuckey>So what do I do now to upgrade my boost packages to the ones shows here as dependencies:
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13:20<stuckey>themill: Do I install from sid or do I backport?
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13:23<bremner>stuckey: if a backport exists, use that
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13:24<stuckey>bremner: none
13:25<stuckey>but hey, themill was right, openoffice is there
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13:26<thumbmonkey>what is this lol
13:28<locklace>!confuse thumbmonkey
13:28<dpkg>No, those was their badger today, thumbmonkey? Trousers of the Democracy of Swaziland with extra anchovies.
13:29<thumbmonkey>1st time i have looked at this xchat thing
13:29<stuckey>bremner: I'm just going to try installing the debs again
13:30<bremner>stuckey: with your new setup, aptitude install libboost-whatever/unstable
13:30<stuckey>bremner: this setup scares me
13:30<bremner>stuckey: ok, whatever. I find installing random debs without dependency checking scarier, but chacun son goat as they say
13:31<bremner>I guess actually dpkg should just barf if the deps are not on your system
13:31<stuckey>This damn thing still says 1.34
13:32<thumbmonkey>ahh its computer stuff
13:33<stuckey>How can this be? Sid has 1.38.1:
13:33<stuckey>There must be something wrong with the version in Sid...
13:33<thumbmonkey>anyone run 64 bit linux O/S ?
13:33<stuckey>Because I just built 1.34 from sid, when it says it has 1.38
13:33<stuckey>So now I understand why I'm getting this fucking error when trying to build
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13:35<thumbmonkey>what makes it 64 bit :S the mobo .. the cpu both ??
13:35<thumbmonkey>i know so little
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13:35<stuckey>bremner: damn, all of the debs I built are 1.34
13:35<stuckey>Why is this? 1.38 is in sid
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13:37<themill>stuckey: what's the version of the source package you downloaded? It's in all the filenames and directory names.
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13:37<darcy>I'm trying to login with gdm to an account whose home dir is mounted via sshfs. After entering username and password, a message comes up complaining about not being able to lock .ICEauthority, and the session is killed. Any known workarounds for that ?
13:37<vvas>oprofiled just dies, how lovely
13:39<stuckey>themill: I'm just going to download them off the website
13:40<themill>of all the options that people have been trying to help you with, I can't recall that being one of them...
13:40<vvas>darcy: perhaps gdm can be instructed to put this elsewhere
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13:40<stuckey>themill: Well I backported it and it built 1.34 debs
13:41<stuckey>themill: It says 1.38 on the website, but I ended up with 1.34 debs--- can this be explained?
13:41<themill>stuckey: what does your deb-src line look like?
13:41<stuckey>deb-src sid main contrib non-free
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13:42<darcy>vvas, thanks, I'd not thought of that
13:44<vvas>darcy: a quick search found this as a possible approach:
13:44<paggas>hi, i added symlinks for /usr/share/munin/plugins/sensors_ in /etc/munin/plugins (named sensors_{fan,volt,temp}, but it seems they are not working! i'm not seeing their output in the munin webpage! what could i be doing wrong? i added e.g. hddtemp_smartctl and it's working fine, also test running /etc/munin/plugins/sensors_* seems to work ok
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13:46<themill>stuckey: what package did you try to backport?
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13:47<paggas>thumbmonkey: if you have a 64bit cpu (which probably means your mobo supports that, since it needs to have the correct socket anyway), you can install a 64bit distribution (or a 32bit if you want :D)
13:47<stuckey>libboost-thread-dev libboost-regex-dev libboost-serialization-dev libboost-program-options-dev
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13:49<themill>stuckey: the boost packages have been changed a fair bit in sid recently. I think you need to try the boost1.38 package first. Note that you'll have to backport mpi-default-dev first.
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13:50<thumbmonkey>thank you paggas. I wanted to know if there are gains in speed / security. The last pc mag i bought came with suse 11 with 32 and 64 bit .. also wondering if amd with 64 suse be okay
13:50<paggas>ahh, fixed that, munin needed to be restarted :|
13:50<stuckey>themill: You mean install package boost1.38 and mpi-default-dev first from sid? And then try installing the others?
13:51<paggas>thumbmonkey: there are speed improvements for certain applications (e.g. cryptography)
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13:51<themill>stuckey: no, I mean you'll have to *backport* each of those packages
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13:52<stuckey>themill: so i do those two first, and then backport the others?
13:52<thumbmonkey>paggas: thank you
13:52<paggas>thumbmonkey: and you can run 32bit apps in a 64bit distro (also 32bit windows apps with wine if you want), but sometimes it can get messy, e.g. when apps search in the wrong directory for their libraries (32bit vs 64bit libs)
13:53<paggas>thumbmonkey: no problem :)
13:53<themill>stuckey: this is going to be a long and difficult procedure. Make sure you really really want this thing to compile
13:53<stuckey>themill: Have you ever played spring-ta?
13:54<themill>never even heard of it
13:54<stuckey>It's pretty much the best gave ever, ever.
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14:03<joe__>i write web pages, and normally i use a windows box to do it with, but im changing to linux, im doing alright, using gedit to write my pages, but ive been using FileZilla to upload my phps as i work on them, and it dont have support for auto update
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14:03<joe__>know of a program i could use to keep a local folder and a remote ssl ftp folder synced? or a better editor that has update support built in?
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14:05<joe__>for windows i used winscp and it did good..... not sure what to use here
14:06<simonrvn>scp ? the thing winscp is based on...
14:07<rudi_s>joe__: lftp is pretty good for mirroring.
14:07<joe__>apt-get install lftp
14:07<joe__>will that work?
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14:07<rudi_s>mirror -R to upload stuff
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14:08<simNIX>(better aptitude install)
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14:09<joe__>im using gnome, can i still use Konqueror.
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14:09<cahoot>yes - you'll get some kdelibs in the bargain
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14:10<joe__>all ive used is gnome
14:11<joe__>is KDE better?
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14:11<simNIX>dpends on how you define better ... no its not, it depends on waht look and feel and such you prefere - both are ok
14:12<joe__>which is prettier?
14:12<simNIX>depends on what you see as prityer ..
14:12<simNIX>... if I wanted to look how both look I'd dowlnoad an iso of a live cd to boot of in vmware to try
14:12<joe__>i have a dual 2.0 quad core with 16 gb ram, which would you run?
14:13<simNIX>both would do fine
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14:13<simNIX>and to make choice bigger; there are lots more - lxde I think is lightest
14:14<joe__>what would you say the biggest difference between the two is?
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14:14<simNIX>look and feel
14:14<simNIX>if you run firefox on one its the same as on the other
14:15<joe__>whats the biggest difference in appearence
14:15<simNIX>realy; just download iso with live linux with any vm you like to try, boot it in vmware or virtualbox
14:15<joe__>in gnome the app bar is accross the top
14:15<simNIX>that way you can savely try em
14:15<joe__>its kinda ugly
14:15<simNIX>and see which fits best
14:15<bja>joe__: It's pointless trying to discuss subjective matters in an objective way. what you like might not be what i like
14:16<bja>and so one
14:16<simNIX>if you dont like bar in gnome you can remove or modify it
14:16<joe__>i understand all that bja
14:16<simNIX>are you looking for look close to windows ?
14:16<joe__>yeah i suppose so
14:16<adama>!start a de war
14:16<bja>joe__: If you have that much power, then try them on vm machines till you find the one you like
14:16<joe__>xp looks so much prettier than what i got runnin right now
14:17<simNIX>I disagree, but I dont like xp .. kde look seems to be closer to windhooz
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14:17<bja>joe__: If looks are so important, there is a miriad of them hanging around for different de try them all and do a nice critique on each one
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14:18<joe__>hrmm... far too busy, was hoping someone had already critiqued them
14:18<bja>joe__: I'll gladly proofread it for you
14:18<simNIX>to busy to set a iso to download and after dowlnoading boot up for 5 minutes to see look ?
14:18<bja>joe__: As I allready stated, discussing subjective matters objectively is pointless
14:19<joe__>simNIX no, to write a critique on them all
14:19<themill>joe__: use kde, it's the best. No arguments. Is that the sort of critique you wanted? Excellent!
14:20<joe__>rock on
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14:20<joe__>im gonna go switch
14:20<joe__>... bbiaf
14:20<simNIX>switch as in reinstall ?
14:20<simNIX>ar aptitude install add ?
14:21<wekt>Where do the signatures go for the packages? It's done on the Packages or Packages.gz file, right?
14:21<simNIX>you can have several vm on one box and choose at login poisen for the day
14:22<joe__>simnix was gonna add the packages i guess
14:22<simNIX>good one - just checking - )
14:22<onur>wekt: Release files have signatures
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14:24<bja>beware of the virus ""
14:24<wekt>onur: I see MD5 signatures in the Release file, but I think there need to be GPG signatures too.
14:25<wekt>onur: My DVD has no Release.gpg.
14:25<wekt>I'm looking on the Lenny DVD.
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14:31<stuckey>themill: what's this boost package do anyway?
14:32<themill>judd info boost
14:32<themill>judd info libboost-dev
14:32<judd>themill: libboost-dev (libdevel): is optional; Version: 1.34.1-14; Size: 1890.9k; Installed: 27448k -- Boost C++ Libraries development files
14:32<themill>how self-referential...
14:33<themill>stuckey: has a "Homepage" link for most packages
14:34<felixd>Does max-cache-size option works in Bind 9.5.2 ?
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14:35<felixd>9.5.1-P2 - sorry (package from Debian Testing repository)
14:35<felixd>I set up max-cache-size to 7M and max-cache-ttl 5 s
14:35<felixd>and named memory consumption still growe
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14:40<unitypunk>how do i killa process inside screen
14:41<felixd>unitypunk: ps ax | grep yourprocess-name
14:41<felixd>and you get pid of process
14:41<felixd>then kill procesid
14:41<felixd>thats all :)
14:42<unitypunk>theres no keystroke.
14:42<unitypunk>sucks that ctrlx dosent work.
14:42<felixd>what do you exacly what to do ? ;]
14:42<unitypunk>well im running a bot in screen
14:42<felixd>you've started screen (shell) and then some program ?
14:43<felixd>and you want to kill this program yes ?
14:43<felixd>what is the program name ? :D
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14:43<unitypunk>its an anarchyonline bot.
14:43<felixd>look i've irssi ;), this session I'm using
14:43<unitypunk>for orgs, to keep track of members
14:44<felixd>elixd@ustal:~$ ps ax | grep irssi 4183 pts/1 S+ 0:00 irssi
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14:44<felixd>see ? :)
14:44<felixd>now only kill 4183
14:44<felixd>and my irsssi is down
14:44<japhb>I've run into the testing subversion/libneon/GNU TLS FAIL, I believe. What is needed to get back a working subversion?
14:44<felixd>you've to do the same ;]
14:45<unitypunk>psno such process..
14:46<felixd>I'm using named (bind9 ver 9.5.1-P2 from Debian Testing repository) and querying about 3000 query/s. named process memory consumption is still rising. How to change that ! ?
14:46<unitypunk>14527 pts/2 R+ 0:00 grep bebot-0.6.3
14:46<felixd>unitypunk: just type ps a and you get all processes started by you, check if there is your program
14:46<felixd>nno no
14:46<unitypunk>but then i tried to kill 14527
14:46<felixd>type ps ax | grep bebot
14:47<unitypunk>i did!
14:47<felixd>type ps ax | grep ebot
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14:47<felixd>not " | grep bebot-0.6.3 " but " | grep bebot "
14:47<felixd>grep finds string in line ;)
14:48<unitypunk>still no such process.
14:48<japhb>Anyone know how to resuscitate SVN in Debian Testing?
14:48<felixd>try: ps aux | grep ebot
14:48<felixd>try: ps aux | grep ot
14:48<felixd>or just type ps ax and look for your process ;)
14:49<felixd>are you sure, bebot is running ? :)
14:49<unitypunk>but it had to be handled by screen.
14:49<unitypunk>and i hadent read enough of the screen manual to figure out how to killa window.
14:50<unitypunk>but i just got to that part.
14:50<felixd>you u have started the program ?
14:50<unitypunk>its okay
14:50<unitypunk>i killed it.
14:51<felixd>I've resolved more then 2 milions ip's in about 20 minutes, I've problem with named !
14:52<unitypunk>felixd, do you know what screen is?
14:52<unitypunk>the window manager?
14:52<felixd>yes :)
14:52<felixd>window manage r? :)
14:52<felixd>you mean apt-get install screen, this package ? :)
14:52<unitypunk>does everyone use that?
14:52<felixd>I'm using it right now :) with Irssi (IRC client)
14:52<felixd>type screen -r
14:53<felixd>in console
14:53<felixd>what do you get ?
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14:53<unitypunk>my bot :)
14:53<felixd>put it on my priv window ;]
14:53<unitypunk>i rebooted it.
14:53<unitypunk>didnt fix the stupid problem.
14:53<felixd>I still don't know what is your exact problem :)
14:53<felixd>you said you can
14:54<felixd>kill it :)
14:54<felixd>now you said you've reboted it :)
14:54<felixd>rebooted whole server ? :D
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15:02<unitypunk>felixd, i didnt know how to kill a screen i had open, thats all
15:02<unitypunk>i was trying to kill the process that was running inside my screen
15:03<unitypunk>all i had to do was rtm like a nub
15:03<unitypunk>too simple for someone to explain to me.
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15:05<stuckey>themill: Do I install all of these libboost packages it created?
15:05<stuckey>I did apt-get -b source boost1.38
15:05<stuckey>and now I have like 30 libboost packages
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15:10<unitypunk>lol opi
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15:34<Cadmium01>Does anyone know if there is any GTK gui ssh/scp program out there>?
15:34<Cadmium01>would like to drag and drop :)
15:35<avu>Cadmium01, nautilus
15:35<kenyon>Cadmium01: doesn't nautilus do it?
15:35<Cadmium01>I didnt know it could
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15:35<Cadmium01>how do I connect?
15:35<avu>you enter sftp://host in the address bar
15:36<japhb>Cadmium01: see also GNOME Places -> Connect to Server..., and select Service Type SSH
15:36<avu>if your configuration doesn't have one, you can bring it up with C-l
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15:36<avu>or that
15:36<avu>that's what you use when you browse directories and copy files to/from an ssh server
15:37<stuckey>themill: Do I install all of these libboost packages it created?
15:37<stuckey>and now I have like 30 libboost packages
15:37<stuckey>I did apt-get -b source boost1.38
15:37<Cadmium01>avu, is sftp sually installed separately or does it come with openssh?
15:37<avu>Cadmium01, it comes with openssh and is enabled by default
15:37<Cadmium01>avu, awesome, thank you very much
15:37<japhb>BTW, found workaround for subversion breakage in testing: set 'http-library = serf' in the [global] section of the subversion "servers" config file
15:38<avu>that workaround has been in the bug report for almost as long as the bug exists
15:38<avu>along with the IMHO better workaround to just install the newer neon27 packages from sid
15:39<bremner>stuckey: you will have to figure out which boost libraries you need (by reading the install docs) or install them all
15:39<japhb>avu: I mentioned it because no one answered my questions earlier about it, so I assumed no one knew the answer, and I wasted 2+ hours looking for a solution
15:39<avu>japhb, next time you have a problem with testing, /start/ by looking at the BTS..
15:40<japhb>avu: I did. Have you noticed how many bugs there are in subversion, neon, and gnutls? And how much of a pain it might be to find the right bug when you don't know what you're looking for?
15:41<japhb>(No rancor in that, just pointing out why it took a long time to find a solution other than "just install stuff from experimental", which was my last resort.)
15:41<avu>japhb, well, I knew that I found it within 30 seconds or so on the bugs.d.o/subversion
15:41<avu>in fact by just searching the page for the exact error I got
15:42<japhb>which error?
15:42<avu>svn: OPTIONS of 'http://...
15:42<avu>the error that goes with this bug
15:42<japhb>(It's possible I got a different one, since I was in fact using git-svn, and took a while to discover the problem was in svn)
15:43<japhb>avu: OK, bug #?
15:43<avu>I just told you how to find this bug in 10seconds max
15:43<stuckey>themill: okay so I installed all the .debs it built
15:43<stuckey>themill: but I still don't have libboost-dev
15:43<avu>I'm not going to look up the number for you now :)
15:44<locklace>!dbugs 531338
15:44<dpkg>DONE:#531338:N[subversion] svn: OPTIONS of 'http://...': could not connect to server (http://...) (); Sun, 31 May 2009 17:27:01 UTC []
15:45<japhb>avu: AH! I see the problem! The view I was looking at did not show resolved bugs. SIGH. Wow, that's a mistake I'll never make again.
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15:45<avu>japhb, the simplest way to access the bugs via web shows those bugs, too (just
15:46<japhb>avu: I rarely search the bug DB by browsing it. I search in Google.
15:47<japhb>avu: and before you ask why ... it's because I often run into cases where a top level app (say, for example, git-svn) is dumping an error, but I have no idea which library in the stack is actually the culprit.
15:47<avu>well, now we have a nice example that using google to search what you are looking for as opposed to a specialized interface is not always the best way to go
15:47<japhb>avu: It usually *is* faster. It just failed badly this time.
15:47<japhb>And now I know to check both ways.
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15:54<dpkg>i heard ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter.
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15:54<Fisherman68>sorry ciao
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15:55<Fisherman68>/msg ILLiMiTeD|DuMp|04 xdcc send #19
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15:56<Guest216>hi. I have a system Debian Lenny on a Areca 1120 raid1 LVM setup. 2 partitions: /boot and /. Although I must say. I *had*.. Now I ambooted with Knoppix. I can access the boot partition, but the other one: no go
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15:57<Guest216>depending on the tool(fdisk, gparted, etc) I can see: no format, unknown partition, ex2 or ext2 lvm)
15:58<Guest216>with dumpe2fs I cannot see a single thing: no output can be made
15:58<Guest216>euh... HELP! ???
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16:00<NewCastleScott>Hello all, Im having issues checking something out via svn. The command Im using is "svn co svn:// osm2pgsql" and I get the error "svn: Can't connect to host '': Connection refused" . I can hit it from port 80 with the web browser but not with svn. am I missing something? I have checked something else out from a diffarent repo with out an issu
16:00<jthomas_sb_>Anyone know how to clone an installed system to make a Debian liveCD with installer? Someone here said to try 'lh_config --clone' but that flag isn't an option.
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16:02<jthomas_sb_>Guest216 you should try ddrescue or dd_rescue, I think one is installed on Knoppix. Read a webpage or the man page on how to use it, but basically it will make a block-by-block copy of the filesystem.
16:02<miguel>im looking for a mail client (pop,imap) that is capable to download only messages from my webserver that are newer then a given date
16:02<miguel>any ideas?
16:02<jthomas_sb_>you'll need a place to copy it TO however, so that you don't overwrite the drive you want to save.
16:02<drakeman_>Hello to all, hey if i use gnome by default in my debian, and i downloaded lxde and i want to put that desktop manager by default, is enought to change it in update-alternatives --config x-session-manager? or i have to do something else?
16:03<locklace>Guest216: try "vgscan --mknodes" followed by "vgchange -aly"
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16:03<miguel>in my case update-alternatives only , worked fine
16:04<jthomas_sb_>Guest216 you may also want to look into TestDisk
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16:04<Guest216>ty both
16:04<drakeman_>miguel, thanks, is that i dont know why in that window, i have it lxde selected, but why it says Manual mode in the right and the gdm says auto mode
16:04<NewCastleScott>Guest216: dd and sleuthkit
16:04<drakeman_>what does it mean, that mode lines.?
16:05<miguel>auto selects the option with best priority
16:05<miguel>and manual lets YOU select
16:05<jthomas_sb_>miguel if you use imap it will only get the headers, so even if you get all of the email, the headers are a lot smaller than the full download of each message
16:05<NewCastleScott>drakeman_: look for a modeline calculator online as well as the specs of your mon.
16:05<miguel>yeah but i need to access an imap and a pop account
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16:05<miguel>and i do not want to download ALL of my old pop messages
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16:05<drakeman_>NewCastleScott, but is not for the modes on resolution display, is in x-session-manager with update alternatives.
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16:06<jthomas_sb_>you could maybe use telnet to access the pop, and delete the old messages...?
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16:06<miguel>ya, i can delete them
16:06<miguel>but i want to leave them on the server
16:06<miguel>but only download NEW ones with my client
16:06<NewCastleScott>drakeman_: it will change your screen resaloution
16:06<jthomas_sb_>miguel then i do not know
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16:07<Guest216>miguel, check impasync. Maybe it has paramters which will meet your needs
16:07<drakeman_>NewCastleScott, are you sure? i think that line is for the defaults windows manager or sometnhing
16:07<miguel>thx guys
16:07<miguel>buuut its pop what im talking about
16:07<miguel>not imap
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16:07<miguel>i need a pop AND imap client
16:08<miguel>but my problems is pop related
16:08<danne>Hey! anyone know where i can get Yaird? aptitude install yaird says "Package yaird is not available" need it for compile a kernel or can i use another prog?
16:08<NewCastleScott>drakeman_: I cant promise you anything **disclaimer**
16:09<drakeman_>NewCastleScott, plop!
16:10<NewCastleScott>drakeman_: modelines effect you resaloution
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16:11<drakeman_>NewCastleScott, i know about modelines, but is not the same im asking fo.
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16:14<paggas>does anyone know of a program that can work as a one-off web server? that is, a user could start this program and tell it to listen to a port, then other users (from other machines) could connect to the server and e.g. upload files. that would be very useful for those occasions that you just want to send a file to someone else on the spot :) any suggestions?
16:14<jrabbit>Tons of them out there
16:14<jrabbit>just search your apt-cache
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16:15<danne>Is there an other prog than can create a ramdisk for my new kernel exept Yaird?
16:16<paggas>jrabbit: any help on what keywords to use? :)
16:16<drakeman_>ANY other ideas to change the default window manager in debian? anyone? i wnaat to do it through the console!
16:16<bremner>!tell dann -about kernel compile
16:16<jrabbit>I donno you could google up a few "light web server" or someting
16:16<patrikf>drakeman_: write a proper .xsessionrc
16:16<jrabbit>I know theres a pure python one somewhere
16:16<patrikf>er, .xsession
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16:17<drakeman_>patrikf, that file is under home folder? it chnage is for all users in the system>?
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16:20<drakeman_>i already change it in update-alternatives, but that changes the default ? i have a .drmc file that says session=default
16:21<bremner>danne: did you read the message from dpkg?
16:21<jthomas_sb_>Sidux released their new kernel (2.6.30) with all of the non-Free firmware removed. Will Debian be doing this also, does anyone know? I understand that they're seperate pojects, but it was a surprise on my Sidux box.
16:21<danne>bremner: what message?
16:21<bremner>!kernel compile
16:21<dpkg>kernel compile is probably To (re)build the official kernels, see ; for personal kernel packages it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg>
16:21<bremner>that one ^
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16:22<danne>aaa okey =)
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16:24<drakeman_>there is a file called default-display-manager under /etc/X11 and inside it says /usr/bin/gdm, should i have to change that line too?
16:24<bremner>drakeman_: display manager !=window manager
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16:25<drakeman_>ok, sorry. but im trying to find how to change it.. but gdm is not for gnome?
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16:28<bremner>drakeman_: I expect gdm can support lxde fine.
16:28<drakeman_>but im tryng to put lxde by default, and i want to know if is enough changing it in update-alternatives --config etc...
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16:30<bremner>drakeman_: it looks like lxde recommends gdm, so leave that alone
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16:31<drakeman_>bremner, but them is enough to change it in update-alternatives option? i donthave to change anything else? i want to do it through the console beause im connected to my computer through ssh.
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16:32<bremner>drakeman_: I don't know the answer to that. Can't get physical access to the machine?
16:33<drakeman_>bremner, well, thanks!
16:34<Guest216>locklace, ty, I now have 6 volumes active, looks good, but, if I reboot, will that fix everything? Or should I do something about initrd too?
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16:40<bremner>does evince not know how to watch files for changes?
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16:41<Guest216>btw: my troubles started when I upgraded the kernel in Lenyy (no dist upgrade or manual kernel install). maybe there is a bug
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16:42<locklace>Guest216: this is one reason why having your root fs on anything other than a plain partition is asking for trouble
16:43<locklace>Guest216: anyway, it's possible there's a problem with your initrd. another possibility is your device numbering has changed out from under your configuration
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16:45<Guest216>I will try a reboot in a moment. ty
16:46<locklace>that's not going to change anything, although you could boot from your previous kernel/initrd
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16:59<Guest231>locklace, yep, reboot did not help, any suggestions please?
17:00<Guest231>vgchange did give me 6 volumes in 1 group, which is ok
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17:05<felixd>I've removed stoped 5.9.1-P2 Bind9 version, downloaded 5.6.1-Rc1 ;] and memory problem is gone :)
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17:10<Guest231>btw. I can boot too and have a root shell, just nothing is mounted....
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17:11<grummund>hi, could someone help me get flash working in iceweasel please? it did once work but no longer...
17:12<Guest231>grummund, try installing gnash
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17:13<grummund>Guest231: thanks
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17:15<nVEe>hey guys
17:15<nVEe>anyone hee?
17:15<krazykit>lots of people are here. do you have a question?
17:16<nVEe>yes ...
17:16<nVEe>can I?
17:16<SQlvpapir>I just installed the kernel from source (the debian way). I'm trying to install some modules, but /lib/module/2.6.30-newkernel is non-existant. any tips on how to fix this? can I just copy them over by hand?
17:16<nVEe>I am probably going to ask the dumbest question ever ... We're planning to run Debian on our work server and I need to find out what version I need to download :) The server is a Intel S5500 motherboard running 2x intel 2.6GHZ Xeon CPU's
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17:17<nVEe>which version must I download? We plan to use it purely as a server
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17:17<chealer>grummund: just ask
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17:18<krazykit>nVEe, for a server, you're best off with the stable branch, which is currently lenny
17:18<grummund>chealer: hi. same problem as you helped a few days ago... i made some pastebin with details ^^.
17:19<chealer>SQlvpapir: that's not supposed to exist. modules are in /lib/modules/
17:19<nVEe>thank you krazykit
17:19<nVEe>krazykit: Which architecture version must I download?
17:19<k1lumin4t1>I'm having troubles sharing a Windows printer with a Linux box using SAMBA + CUPS. I've tried it through every config app there is: gnome's printer config, kde's one and cups Web interface. I've used every single user there's on the Windows machine to authenticate, none of them works. they all fail to access the printer, even though it's being properly seen by samba. The cups error is NT Status Access Denied
17:19<locklace>Guest231: if you can boot successfully with init=/bin/bash then you're in better shape
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17:19<chealer>grummund: sorry, I don't remember what was the problem
17:20<krazykit>nVEe, i'm not sure if that Xeon supports 64-bit (if it's newer, I think it does?), so the choice is yours. the safe bet is 32-bit if you're unsure
17:20<locklace>Guest231: from there it's just going through the startup items manually and finding out which step is failing
17:20<bremner>nVEe: How much me
17:20<nVEe>krazykit: So I assume the i386?
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17:20<nVEe>bremner: How much me?
17:21<grummund>chealer: flash not working in iceweasel, i.e. embedded movies are just blank
17:21<dave_>Buenas tardes saludos
17:21<krazykit>nVEe, yes, i386 is 32-bit and amd64 is 64-bit
17:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:21<SQlvpapir>chealer: typo
17:21<Guest231>about everything is failing, all volumes seem to be recognised but nothing seems to be mounted so I am even lacking /sbin etc I think
17:21<grummund>chealer: i'm currently installing mozilla-plugin-gnash on advice from Guest231
17:21<SQlvpapir>chealer: but should work w/o the typo?
17:21<bremner>nVEe: Sorry. How much
17:22<Guest231>grummund, you will need to restart iceweasel to get it working after installing gnash
17:22<chealer>grummund: did you try with a single Flash plugin installed?
17:22<nVEe>bremner: I am speaking under correction, but I think it is 1gb
17:22<locklace>Guest231: are you actually in your real root fs or stuck in an initramfs
17:22<dave_>sorry i dont talk so fine english, a need help witc dnsmasq
17:22<nVEe>bremner: It may even be 512mb, I am really not sure
17:22<grummund>chealer: no, i don't know how to do that...
17:22<chealer>nVEe: what's the CPU model?
17:22<Guest231>I think I am stuck in initramfs
17:22<bremner>nVEe: 32bit then
17:22<bja>dpkg tell dave_ about ask
17:23<chealer>grummund: ...remove one of the two you have (probably swfdec) and restart the browser
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17:23<nVEe>bremner: Okay, thank you very much! I anyways dont think that we will feel the real impact between 64bit and 32bit in our enviroment seeing that we only use the server for mail routing and file server
17:23<Guest231>Lenny 2.6.26 amd64 default kernel
17:23<locklace>Guest231: should be easy to tell
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17:23<dave_>when start the deamon dnsmasq show this error dnsmasq: no se pudo acoplar socket de servidor DHCP: La dirección ya se está usando
17:24<Guest231>locklace, if I reboot I can tell I suppose
17:24<nVEe>krazykit: krazykit: A alternative question (you can notice that I am a current windows user) - I was advised that due to our firm not being fimiliar with Linux, it would be best to use Debian as a server because it provides the best server support and to run Ubuntu on teh desktop machines because it has a similiar look and feel to windows. Is this correct?
17:24<bja>dave_: take a hike to #debian-es, more help there, ask for Kebianizao
17:24<locklace>Guest231: no, it should be easy to tell without rebooting. i mean, something like mount or df will make it pretty obvious
17:24<Guest231>if the mount command is available that is, not sure about that
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17:24<locklace>Guest231: or like, ls /etc
17:25<Guest231>yup, but I am now on knoppix on the same PC, so I really must reboot to tell
17:25<chealer>SQlvpapir: what directories do you have in /lib/modules/ ?
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17:25<nVEe>All: What linux distro would you recommend for a company which primary does web development? Is there one which specifically caters for a web development company?
17:25<Guest231>let me check. brb
17:25<locklace>Guest231: ok, well go try and boot with init=/bin/bash and see if it succeeds
17:25<locklace>nVEe: we would recommend debian
17:26<Guest231>single user boot gives same sh*t as regular boot
17:26<Guest231>one mo
17:26<chealer>nVEe: Debian. not AFAIK, but #linux would know better
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17:26<grummund>chealer: apt-get remove libswfdec0.3 ?
17:27<chealer>dave_: how do you start it?
17:27<chealer>grummund: you can get rid of all *swfdec* packages. that may do it
17:27<nVEe>All: Last question. Can I set user desktop restrictions on the desktop machines via the server? The idea is to by default not allow personal to download and install applications, restrict certain websites (like facebook)?
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17:27<bremner>nVEe: Bias aside, one system is better than two
17:27<locklace>nVEe: you can do anything if you really believe
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17:32<nVEe>bremner: This makes it difficult for me based on the fact that I have no real Linux experience, and it would be impossible for me to install all distros to find the best one. I was advised that Debian is the best OS for server usage. Ubuntu was recommended because it was more user friendly towards old windows users... but in honesty, do you think running the 2 hand in hand would make a difference?
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17:32<nVEe>locklace: Thanks for that conclusive answer :)
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17:32<CLUSTER>ayuda con debian
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17:33<bja>CLUSTER: /j #debian-es
17:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:34<eldowan>I've got lenny installed on a hp dc7900sff, with the ich10 chipset, using kernel 2.6.22-1. It seems that my nic needs the e1000e module to function (currently I'm on a usb nic). How would I go about obtaining the e1000e module? Currently modprobe e1000e returns the following error: FATAL: Module e1000e not found.
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17:35<CLUSTER>thank you
17:35<CLUSTER>bye bye
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17:35<SQlvpapir>chealer: looks like it compiles now.. however, I'm on amd64, and the driver does not compile (cleanly) or work (at all). the symlink to "source" in the older kernel is linking to the -common headers - I dont have any such thing for the self-compiled kernel version. you have any knowledge on this?
17:35<chealer>nVEe: more or less. restricting certain websites is possible. why would you want to restrict installing applications?
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17:36<locklace>eldowan: the lenny kernel version is 2.6.26
17:36<locklace>eldowan: what does "find /lib/modules -name e100e.ko" return
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17:37<eldowan>locklace: to be able to use the needed module, I should update to 2.6.26?
17:37<nVEe>chealer: We have employees who really get distracted quite quickly. With social networking around, it makes it so difficult for us to control them. We want to have them use the basics offered with the OS. This guarantees that we will have less issues vir viruses and slow machines
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17:37<locklace>eldowan: oops
17:37<locklace>eldowan: what does "find /lib/modules -name e1000e.ko" return
17:37<bja>nVEe: I've yet to see a linux virus
17:37<nVEe>all:All: I promise this is the last question (for today): Do I understand it correctly that I can control user settings, previledges ect directly from the server, or does this only work for items on the server? Can I control desktop behaviours and restrictions from the server or must that be done client side?
17:38<nVEe>bja: hahaha sorry man, im so use to it on our side :)
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17:38<eldowan>locklace: find /lib/modules -name e1000e.ko; returns nothing
17:38<eldowan>locklace: ^ run as root
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17:38<locklace>eldowan: ok, what does "uname -r" return
17:39<eldowan>locklace: 2.6.22-1-k7 ( i still havent updated the kernel from the platform move, but everything else works fine)
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17:39<Guest232>locklace, I can boot into the actual FS, however: vgscan from Knoppix reported 6 volumes and when booted I have 5, also /usr/bin is emty which containes all kind of important stuff obviously so the system is working far from properly
17:39<locklace>eldowan: ok, you're not even really using lenny then. go through the upgrade procedure
17:40<chealer>nVEe: installed applications aren't necessarily more problematic than others. there must be a way to limit the applications that can be executed
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17:40<locklace>Guest232: ok, but at least you're in your real root and not stuck in initramfs. you should be able to mount your other filesystems manually after the vgscan/vgchange, just mount -av
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17:41<eldowan>locklace: hmm, my sources.list shows testing sources, I guess I didn't do a dist-upgrade (or whatever the new term is now).
17:42<Guest232>which lvm command lists volumes so I can check which volumes is missing please?
17:42<locklace>eldowan: better fix your sources.list to point to lenny everywhere, then "aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude" and then "aptitude safe-upgrade" and then "aptitude full-upgrade"
17:42<chealer>nVEe: it could be done from another machine
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17:43<Guest232>locklace, how do I procede after the manual mount, to fix things for a regular boot?
17:43<eldowan>locklace: I'll give that a try tonight, though I'm dreading re-learning how to go about re-installing the nvidia X11 driver and a few other apps...
17:43<locklace>Guest232: "lvs" or "lvdisplay"
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17:44<locklace>Guest232: remount / rw and then look in /etc/rc2.d and just start manually running the S* files in order
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17:44<locklace>Guest232: or actually, if the mount -av works and / is mounted rw, just try "telinit 2"
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17:45<locklace>Guest232: or "exec init 2" if init isn't already running
17:45<grummund>chealer, Guest231: i did apt-get remove libswfdec0.3 flashplugin-nonfree; so now only the gnash plugin is installed. but flash movies still do not run... although now they show as blank white, whereas before they were blank black images.
17:46<grummund>any ideas? perhaps it's worth a try: remove gnash and reinstall swfdec ?
17:46<chealer>grummund: hum, could you show your new plugins list?
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17:47<Guest232>missing volume turns out to be swap_1 so that looks ok
17:48<Guest232>grummund, if you start iceweasel from a termnial you get debug output
17:48<drakeman>hey, there is anyway apart to update-alternatives --config x-session-manager to change from gnome to kde, or to lxde, any config tool in command line to do it?
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17:50<chealer>grummund: try with Adobe Flash
17:51<chealer>drakeman: do you use a display manager?
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17:53<drakeman>chealer, im using gnome, i want to change it to lxde, but i doesnt have physical access to the machine right now, im connected through ssh... and i want to change it,
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17:54<grummund>sorry... that was for Guest232
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17:56<chealer>drakeman: what do you mean by changing "it"?
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17:56<drakeman>chealer, ok debian by defualt uses gnome, i want to set as defaulte lxde
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18:04<Guest236>locklace, everythings seesm ok EXCEPT, /usr/bin is very very empty and there is nothing to mount as everything is already mounted
18:05<Guest236>so, I guess I need a way to fix the missing files
18:05<Guest236>but I am not even sure if I got network as ping ifconfig lynx etc are all in usr/bin so it seems
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18:06<Guest236>also I get some errors on ELF headers. for instance on ./usr/lib/
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18:06<Guest236>and the unability to load /usr/sbin/graphbind/pl probably because of a missing PERL interpreter in /usr/bin
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18:15<grummund>grr. flash still not working...
18:15<Guest236>flash is not working or a certain flash app is not working?
18:15<grummund>With libswfdec0.3 only installed, Iceweasel shows a static image and underneath is the text "Cannot play media.You do not have the correct version of the flash player."
18:16<grummund>With flashplugin-nonfree only installed, Iceweasel shows a blank black image.
18:16<grummund>With mozilla-plugin-gnash only installed, Iceweasel shows a blank white image, and prints errors on the console:
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18:20<locklace>Guest236: sounds like you don't really have all your partitions mounted; comparing output of df with /etc/fstab will tell you
18:21<ml|>how can i get lftp to use local time?, I tried to set in ./lftp/rc 'set ftp:timezone' so it would use local time like it suggests in manpage, but when a mirror a dir the time is 4 hours behind[GMT], since that didn't work I set use_localtime=YES
18:21<ml|>in vsftpd
18:22<Guest236>I have /dev/mapper/usr or something like that mounted, just the subdirectory /usr/bin is empty
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18:22<Guest236>afaik everything is mounted
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18:22<Guest236>moun -av does tell me that too
18:22<ml|>but that didn't work either
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18:22<locklace>Guest236: uh, that's very odd then. it would suggest large portions of your /usr fs were deleted
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18:23<Guest236>I did run an e2fsck in the past, but an entire /usr/bin gone is a bit too much... :-(
18:24<locklace>Guest236: can't really suggest anything except poking around and trying to find out what happened and the extent of the damage. look at your list of installed packages with dpkg -l, run dpkg -L on some of them and see if all the files really exist, etc.
18:25<Guest236>suppose that is the case, is there a way to fix broken packages?
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18:25<Guest236>ok. I was thinking the same direction
18:25<Guest236>I just hope dpkg is not in /usr/bin.......
18:26<locklace>Guest236: yes, if your package data (/var/lib/dpkg) is ok then you can run a reinstall of everything installed
18:26<locklace>Guest236: just hope things like /etc weren't damaged
18:26<Guest236> /etc seems ok at first glance
18:26<Guest236>I would hare it if I need to reconfigure everything
18:27<Guest236>if I remember correctly there is a tool which checks the integrity of all installed packages and fixes mussing stuff
18:28<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to check config files.
18:28<Guest236>just no idea of it's name :-(
18:28<Guest236>yes! ty
18:29<Guest236>now I hope I still have network
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18:31<locklace>Guest236: "aptitude search '~i!~M'" should return a list of the stuff you'll want to reinstall (or you can filter with debsums)
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18:32<miguel>i am compiling and installing soem sources using ./configure
18:32<miguel>how can i find out the available parameters
18:32<miguel>for instance , how to install it INSIDE my home dir
18:32<miguel>and not in / ?
18:33<CraiZE>read INSTALL or README
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18:33<CraiZE>that comes with it?
18:33<locklace>miguel: ./configure --help
18:33<locklace>miguel: to install with your home dir as the install root, ./configure --prefix=$HOME
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18:33<miguel>hooray, thx!
18:33<Supaplex>miguel: are you trying to install something that isn't already available as a package?
18:33<miguel>its only shipped as source
18:34<miguel>i compiled it already successfully
18:34<miguel>but i do not want to install it in my ROOT
18:34<Supaplex>ahh. What is it?
18:35<ml|>good place for that wold be /usr/local/bin/
18:35<edbian>I am trying to make a bios flash floppy for an old system I got recently. How do you make a dos boot floppy in linux? Do I need dos for such a project? I have a bios flashing program and a copy of the new bios (zip file) that I got from the website. Can anybody walk me through this??
18:35<locklace>edbian: why don't you try using flashrom instead
18:36<miguel>some mmrpg game
18:36<Guest236>edbian, there are howtos afaik, there is and you might need freedos
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18:36<ml|>any ideas on my lftp issue?
18:36<edbian>locklace: What is flashrom?
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18:37<edbian>I cannot use flashrom because the system will not boot
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18:38<edbian>Supaplex: I have the windows 98 file from that site.
18:38<Supaplex>can't you just dd the disk image to the drive?
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18:38<edbian>Do I need to use freedos or is it possible that the little bios flashing program I have will do that for me?
18:39<Supaplex>if the program is only for flashing, you still need to boot with something
18:39<edbian>This computer won't boot. I need to flash the bios to hopefully add support for harddrives larger than 20GB (I have a 40GB I hope to use)
18:39<locklace>edbian: sure you can (if it supports your hw); you make a linux boot disk instead of a lame dos one
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18:39<Supaplex>will it boot from floppy?
18:39<eldowan>edbian: if the computer won't boot at all, how are you going to boot from a floppy to reflash the bios?
18:40<edbian>It won't boot becuase I can't get a harddrive in it that will work
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18:40<edbian>It does turn on and bios post etc etc
18:40<Supaplex>edbian: will it boot from floppy?
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18:40<edbian>I just need it to recognize a 40GB drive so I can boot completely
18:40<edbian>Supaplex: yes it will boot from floppy
18:40<edbian>So I have 3 files: boot98se.exe and
18:41<Guest236>if it is too old you can probably not boot disks larger than 8 GB
18:41<edbian>Do i just place these on the floppy drive?
18:41<Supaplex>just unplug the hdd until the bios update is done if it's hanging on the detection
18:41<edbian>Guest236 it used to have a 15GB drive in it
18:41<edbian>The mobo is from 1998 (at least the bios are anyway)
18:41<Supaplex>edbian: unzip the files. not sure what boot98se is for
18:41<edbian>boot98se is dos
18:41<themill>it's a long time since I've had to play that game.... gee I don't miss it either
18:42<edbian>Supaplex: I can't plug the HDD in while the system is running can I?
18:42<Supaplex>I don't think it's dos. maybe it'll create a dos disk
18:42<eldowan>edbian: look at the Non-Windows Based Image Files W/ImageApp section of, one of the zip files should contain a .img file, which you can use dd to make a bootable floppy, I believe
18:42<edbian>Supaplex: So then simply removing the disk while bios is posting is not an option. That is what it is doing BTW hanging on detection of the harddrive.
18:42<Guest238>jemand hier der mir helfen kann?
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18:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
18:43<Supaplex>edbian: power it down, unplug the drive, reboot. provided you have a working boot floppy
18:43<dpkg>No Offense
18:43<edbian>Supaplex: Well that is the plan to flash teh bios but how does that allow me to boot an OS off of a harddrive?
18:44<Supaplex>edbian: one step at a time. if the bios is so old the newer hdd prevents it from posting, you'll have to update the bios first.
18:44<edbian>Supaplex: That is why I am trying to flash the bios :)
18:45<Supaplex>I get that, but I don't get why you can not do this in steps
18:45<edbian>Now that we're together (ha ha ha) I assume the best way to flash the bios (flash = update) is to create a boot floppy. Is this wrong??
18:45<locklace>this is a strange conversation
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18:45<Supaplex>that's right. create the boot floppy from a disk image, and place the unzipped contents fo the flashing program and the bios image on the floppy disk
18:46<edbian>Supaplex: I am not trying to be rude. I apologize if I am :(
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18:46<edbian>Supaplex: Does it matter what disk image I use??
18:46<miguel>are there ANY cooool/ playable games for linux!?
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18:46<Supaplex>feel free to just say you don't understand. I don't like the impression you're avoiding a step for a reason you can't tell me.
18:46<locklace>!tell miguel about nethack
18:46<edbian> has several images
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18:46<edbian>Supaplex: ok :) Thanks for the help so far
18:47<Supaplex>any dos 6.0, or windows 9x disk should work
18:47<Supaplex>dos 6.x and windows 9x boot floppies for this task are quite stable.
18:48<SQlvpapir_>my dhcpd starts at boot time.. I'd like to prevent it from doing this (I only use it ocationally..) any hints?
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18:48<Supaplex>SQlvpapir_: update-rc.d
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18:49<Guest236>thanks guys, I will try to fix things tomorrow . to for bed now
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18:50<SQlvpapir_>Supaplex: thanks!
18:50<edbian>Supaplex: Now my floppy drive is being shitty. Can I burn these files to a CD ??
18:50<locklace>edbian: burn yourself a copy of grml
18:51<edbian>I already have a copy of that
18:51<teststudi>or knoppix
18:51<edbian>Only problem is that the little bios flashing program is .exe
18:51<Supaplex>edbian: yeah. a cdrw might be better, because I doubt you'll use this very often. :)
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18:51<Supaplex>hummm I forget how to spell it maybe.
18:51<edbian>So how do a burn dos 6.0 to the CD? I can't use dd right?
18:52<Supaplex>no, you have to tell the iso creation you're supplying a boot disk image
18:52<Supaplex>it treats it like a virtual floppy disk
18:53<teststudi>you can use wine to run the .exe file. on your own risk ;-)
18:53<Supaplex>teststudi: wrong!
18:53<edbian>When I got DOS 6.0 from that site it gave me a .exe file. Will that be a problem?
18:53<locklace>can your antediluvian bios even boot from cd
18:53<Supaplex>the flashing program will not have hardware access, even if you run it as root.
18:54<edbian>Supaplex: ??
18:54<Kjevlum>Hi, everyone! I am new to linux and I'm finding the transfer from windows rather hard. Could somebody point me in the direction of a website or some sort of guide that might get me going with linux?
18:54<Supaplex>edbian: ignore teststudi sarcastic advice.
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18:55<Kjevlum>That looks great, thanks!
18:55<edbian>Supaplex: I am not sure I am doing this right. I have dos60.exe I am using gnome-baker. I select burn ISO ??
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18:56<Supaplex>odd that these are not images. I suppose they expect you're already running windows.
18:56<edbian>Yeah I guess
18:57<edbian>Should I find dos6.0.iso ??
18:57<abrotman>ask the DOS support channel?
18:57<locklace>edbian: you can just stick flashrom and your flash image on a floppy with any fs, boot grml and mount the floppy
18:58<locklace>actually grml already has flashrom
18:58<Supaplex>really... humm
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18:59<eldowan>How do I find out what chip my graphics card is using? the nvidia 8400gs may use the g86 or g98 chip, and I need the g98 to take advantage of vdpau
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19:00<vvas>eldowan: perhaps "lspci" can help
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19:01<ml|>how can i get lftp to use local time?, I tried to set in ./lftp/rc 'set ftp:timezone' also tried 'set ftp:timezone 'GMT offset +04:00:00', so it would use local time like it suggests in manpage, but when a mirror a dir the time is 4 hours behind[GMT], since that didn't work I set use_localtime=YES in vsftp, but that failed also any ideas?
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19:01<bja>eldowan: lspci will give you a device number, then you have to go to nvidia and find out your chipset theree
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19:02<bja>ml|: why not instead of mirroring, you just copy it perhaps you are also cping the mirrors time
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19:03<eldowan>vvas: bja: Where would I see the device number, is it 1b13:0422?
19:03<Supaplex>lspci -nn lspci -k is pretty handy too.
19:03<ml|>bja: samething happens with get
19:04<Supaplex>ahh. -n is already in there.
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19:04<bja>ml|: get or wget
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19:04<ml|>bja: get in lftp
19:05<eldowan>Supaplex: what does -k do? My lspci doesn't recognize -k as a valid switch.
19:05<bja>ml|: to mirror sites, i usually use wget i find it more robust than many other apps
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19:05<Supaplex>eldowan: it's available in lenny. shows what kernel modules are loaded, or could be loaded for the device.
19:05<locklace>eldowan: it's probably because you're still using a ghetto non-lenny install
19:06<bja>ml|: Unix philosophy the right tool for the job :]
19:06<vvas>eldowan: 10de:0422
19:06<eldowan>locklace: yeah well... hopefully that'll be taken care of tonight.
19:07<eldowan>vvas: thank you kindly.
19:07<Supaplex>!pciid [10de:0422]
19:07<dpkg>grep -i `echo 10de:0422 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap
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19:07<locklace>judd pciid 10de:0422
19:07<judd>locklace: [10de:0422] is 'GeForce 8400 GS' from 'nVidia Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
19:07<ml|>bja: lftp is the right tool :P
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19:07<vvas>wow the bots in here are pretty advanced
19:07<bja>ml|: :)
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19:09<ml|>dpkg: rocks
19:09<dpkg>Yer damned right...
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19:10<themill>locklace: if we can dig up some pciid matches for nvidia and fglrx I'll add them to judd's db
19:10<snogglethorpe>dpkg: eats muffins
19:10<dpkg>snogglethorpe: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
19:11<eldowan>Thanks for the help with the gpu identification, it seems that I can't use the vpdau, but its nice to know how to find out now.
19:13<ml|>bja: just need to figure out why the time is off tzdata is fine, hwclock is right, thanks for suggestion anyways
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19:16<bja>ml|: np
19:16<chealer>eldowan: #nvidia may know better
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19:17<eldowan>chealer: now thats an obvious place to look isn't it? Thanks for that
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19:18<CraiZE>dpkg: parse error me now please
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19:18<dpkg>wish i knew, CraiZE
19:18<CraiZE>dpkg: 1+1
19:18<CraiZE>dpkg: 23/7
19:18<abrotman>stop screwing with the bot
19:19<CraiZE>dpkg: 22/7
19:19<CraiZE>if only he would continue that calculation :D
19:19<bja>dpkg tell CraiZE about selftell
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19:19<abrotman>how about just stop messing with the bot?
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19:19<CraiZE>how about I don't ?
19:20<dmoerner>CraiZE, how about you listen to ops?
19:20<dmoerner>(abrotman, in this case)
19:20<chealer>SQlvpapir_: if you don't mind, which module are you trying to compile?
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19:20<CraiZE>dmoerner, I am not intimidated by someones status in a chatroom, sorry
19:20<abrotman>how about just being polite ...
19:21<edbian>I screwed up my bios royally (To those it may concern)
19:21<CraiZE>I was having some fun, if someone wants to be an ass about it, so be it
19:21<CraiZE>"OMFG! someone is having fun while im not! quick, lets make em stop!"
19:21<abrotman>we're asking you to stop .. if you need a calculator, install one ... don't flood the channel with trivial math
19:21<CraiZE>abrotman, 22/7 is not trivial, its essential
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19:22<CraiZE>the first calculation was just testing the bots capabilities
19:22<abrotman>that doesn't make it difficult
19:22<edbian>Hey is there anyway to recover if you (hypothetically) flashed the wrong BIOS image into your bios??
19:22<SQlvpapir_>chealer: the em28xx-new.. but I'm back to stock kernel for the time being as I have a few programs to record
19:22<abrotman>edbian: some boards have a backup bios
19:22<chealer>!tell CraiZE about msg the bot
19:22<CraiZE>abrotman, I never spoke about difficulty, now have I ? i said it was essential, not difficult
19:22<abrotman>edbian: you also might want to try to reset/clear the bios
19:22<edbian>abrotman: I already tried clearing. How do you access backup bios??
19:22<CraiZE>!tell chealer about making the bot message people who did not ask you to do so
19:23<abrotman>CraiZE: please stop
19:23<themill>CraiZE: please leave it. If you want to play with the bot, do it in a /msg
19:23<CraiZE>I have stopped since over 5 minutes, I don't see why so many people jump in after I gave it 3 calculations
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19:23<abrotman>and two other commands ..
19:24<CraiZE>the channel was dead quiet at that moment, as soon as talk began, I did stop on my own, as i do have common sense
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19:27<chealer>CraiZE: the bot doesn't know about that
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19:28<CraiZE>chealer, so you have something in common with it - you both lack common sense
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19:28<chealer>CraiZE: please stick to topic
19:28<CraiZE>see, i did bite - just like you laid out the bait for me to give you a snarky remark
19:29<abrotman>you could both go play in #debian-offtopic :)
19:29<dserban>running sid. Everything seems to be affected by pulse, is there a good integration document on this new sound server? Flash and pidgin die because of it, etc... Amarok's been having issues, etc... I won't go into finite detail as there are so many problems I'm experiencing due to pulse that I'd just rather read up on 'em.
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19:29<CraiZE>chealer: please do not address me unless I have granted you permission to do so, thank you very much
19:30<dkr>CraiZE: 7/10
19:30*CraiZE bows
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19:30*Supaplex hiccups
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19:31<bja>!beer Supaplex
19:31*dpkg pulls out a tasty Franziskaner Hefeweizen for Supaplex
19:31<bja>!beer CraiZE
19:31*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for CraiZE
19:31<abrotman>leave the freaking bot alone
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19:31<vvas>hm, i should try pulseaudio at some point
19:32<chealer>SQlvpapir_: OK...feel free to reask if you try again. for out of tree modules you need to compile at the same time as the image or you need headers.
19:32<bja>abrotman: one more pls :)
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19:33<sylar>anyone knows how to send a key event without pressing that key?
19:33<abrotman>to X or CLI?
19:33<sylar>to X
19:34<SQlvpapir_>chealer: I dont think the drivers support 64bit.. but I should throw them in my source before compiling my kernel? I dont really get how it is different, as I see it it would fail due to it being a 32bit driver/device
19:34<sylar>I want to press capsLock without pressing it
19:34<dserban>sylar: telepathic much?
19:34<sylar>is there a "virtual keyboard" thingy?
19:34<abrotman>like an OSK ?
19:34<CraiZE>sylar is an evil genius,he will automatically enable capslock for people within #debian on the next build of xchat, and then we're all screwed :)
19:35<CraiZE>sylar, there is an onscreen keyboard, i just dont recall its name
19:35<CraiZE>xkeyboard was it?
19:35<Supaplex>OH NO. ;)
19:35<sylar>abrotman, I don't know OSK
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19:35<CraiZE>OSK = On Screen Keyboard
19:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 415] by debhelper
19:37<dserban>so there's nothin' on pulse? I feel like tearing the freakin' thing out
19:37<dserban>billy talent makes me want to tear things
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19:38<SQlvpapir_>jejejje, no comprende?
19:39<CraiZE>andale andale!
19:39<CraiZE>ariba :D
19:39<teststudi>asi es chicos
19:39<CraiZE>el loco en el coco
19:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:40<dpkg>lu is probably Luxembourg
19:40<CraiZE>it is, but whats the channel for it?
19:40<abrotman>probably isn't one .. only like 12 people living there? :)
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19:41<Supaplex>abrotman: 18 including pets
19:41<abrotman>and Herbie The Love Bug
19:41<CraiZE>abrotman, being condensending about ones country population really makes you seem smarter every second.
19:41<gN__Eterm>hello all =)
19:41<dserban>sylar, xsendkeycode
19:41<themill>that was Monte Carlo, not Luxembourg
19:41<sylar>GOD BLESS YOU
19:41<abrotman>CraiZE: and your lack of a sense of humor?
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19:42<dserban>CraiZE: lol move to canada ... what a jaded debian user you are... you'll fit in here nicely
19:42<CraiZE>abrotman, wait, your lack of humor from earlier when i was messing with the bot?
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19:42<Supaplex>CraiZE: imo he was using humor. if you're jaded by things that are better forgotten, that's your problem.
19:42<CraiZE>Im just being pedantic
19:44*beardy pulls themill's leg.
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19:45<CraiZE>well, good night to everyone
19:45<CraiZE>hope you all fix your problems :P and remember, rm -rf /* gets rid of all issues at once :D
19:45<dserban>sylar: I couldn't turn off my caps lock... odd... coincidence? I think NOT! (yw)
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19:46-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
19:46<bja>beardy: no, feels australian
19:46-!-mode/#debian [+b CraiZE!*@*] by abrotman
19:46-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
19:47<dserban>So due to my debian/pulse hatred, I will go ahead and continue hating it and stew until someone else understands how it works.
19:47<abrotman>eh ?
19:47<abrotman>dserban: have you read the pulse docs ?
19:48<dserban>Heh yep the ones on the site? Yep.
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19:50<dserban>Doesn't explain why flash/amarok/audacity/pidgin don't work when using pulse. I've googled for debian specific issues, alas I've looked, just don't know what to do to make these programs segfaulting and/or being silent.
19:51<jrabbit>dserban: use a working sound system?
19:51<dserban>grr heh I mean. Program specific bugs exist in the bts...
19:51<dserban>Yeah, it works..
19:51<dserban>The programs trying to use pulse don't
19:52<abrotman>dserban: do they try to use OSS or Alsa ?
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19:52<abrotman>and what does work ?
19:52<beardy>And what has that got to do with a window manager.
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19:55<stew>don't hate me!
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20:03<edbian>Suppose (hypothetically) that while trying to flash the bios on a system I flashed the wrong bios! Is there any way to recover from something like this? (Hypothetically of course)
20:03<d3co>I need debian Lenny 5.0.0! !
20:04<edbian>Then download it!
20:04<abrotman>!d-i d3co
20:04<dpkg>d3co, you want to go to
20:05<Supaplex>edbian: if it boots, reflash it
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20:05<Supaplex>sounds like a dos question tho ;)
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20:06<edbian>Supaplex: It does not boot :(
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20:08<ert34>I have an question. Who here uses Ice Weasel?
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20:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:09<dpkg>i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at
20:09<jmc>ert34: almost everyone I guess
20:09<ert34>Why you don't use firefox?
20:09<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian from Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as IceCat). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see and ask me about <d-s-a>.
20:10<Supaplex>it is firefox.
20:10<jmc>just a logo away :P
20:10<jmc>some integralists out there even use IceCat :D
20:11<ert34>These people, who uses ice weasel, how many uses flashplugin-nonfree?
20:11<Supaplex>judd: versions gnome-default-applications-properties
20:11<judd>Supaplex: gnome-default-applications-properties --
20:11<jmc>ert34: many
20:11<jmc>what's the question? :P
20:11<ert34>Then why they uses it, and defend the "liberty" about the iceweasel
20:12<Supaplex>because it's in the "non-free" repo
20:12<bja>ert34: Where are you trying to go?
20:12<jmc>ert34: oh they don't
20:12<jmc>they install
20:12<jmc>get IceWeasel as it is in the repositories
20:12<jmc>and then learn how to get a non-free Flash
20:12<jmc>maybe they don't care? :)
20:13<jmc>get Gnash
20:13<ert34>Well, I am asking why they defend a thing, and the way that they appear to contradict in.
20:13<Supaplex>what's that virtual rms proggie that belittles you everytime you install something that's not in main?
20:14<dpkg>from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
20:14<ert34>Get the free Ice Weasel just to put they prefered closed source plugins within?
20:14<jmc>ert34: as I told you before
20:14<jmc>maybe those are the ones who don't really care?
20:14<ert34>"maybe they don't care? :)" If it is true they don't want icecat
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20:15<ert34>Just download firefox
20:15<Supaplex>judd: I think it's asking about why we enable them to do this
20:15<judd>Supaplex: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
20:15<jmc>no, those are different ones :P
20:15<Supaplex>jmc: rather. :)
20:16<ert34>If you use it because by being in conformity with the debian social contract. Then what they do with non free things?
20:16<Supaplex>ert34: why iceweasel? because mozilla took a dump on our security fixes. at first they didn't mind. at first they even allowed us to use our own logo. then they changed their mind.
20:17<ert34>Supaplex, you are telling it now. But in the official doc this isn't the apresented reason.
20:17<jmc>then what's the official reason? :)
20:17<Supaplex>which doc?
20:18<jmc>don't know :D
20:18<ert34>That it's against the debian rules(aka the social contract)
20:19<jmc>./debian/rules for sure :P
20:19<jmc>no, really
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20:19<cesurasean>how would I go about changing the "bios" time of a VM using virtualbox on debian?
20:19<jmc>I don't see the problem
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20:19<cesurasean>I'm trying to crack Microsoft Server 2008, and I want to expire the time, to see if my crack has worked.
20:20<jmc>you are given tons of free "as in speech" software
20:20<jmc>then if you want to install a non-free software
20:20<jmc>it's up to you
20:20<jmc>am I wrong?
20:20<cesurasean>do I just change the bios time on the computer itself? or a setting in virtualbox?
20:21<cesurasean>is that what virtualbox is using, is the bios settings on the host machine itself?
20:21<plugwash>mozilla changed the rules to require things that debian could not comply with while keeping to their own policies/commitments, iirc both the requirement for mozilla to sign off on patches and the requirement to use the official logo were unacceptable
20:21<ert34>/me try find the rules
20:21*ert34 try find the rules
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20:22<ert34>plugwash, you are doing it because this isn't "free" as debian want?
20:22<ert34>Then use non-free plugins isn't more worse?
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20:23<plugwash>I didn't do it i'm merely saying what debian did
20:23<jmc>non-free plugins are not in main, extra or contrib
20:23<jmc>again, it's your choice
20:24<plugwash>if users choose to use non-free plugins that is thier choice
20:24<bja>ert34: Is the Debian comunity responsable for the actions I perform on my computer with the Debian system?
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20:25<cesurasean>does anyone here use virtualbox??!!
20:25<ert34>jmc, plugwash, yes, but if they chose icecat for that given reason this doesn't matters
20:25<cesurasean>I thought this was a debian channel. :)
20:25<jmc>ert34: wait
20:25<jmc>IceCat is not even in the repositories
20:25<Supaplex>cesurasean: we can't help you crack software. just ask ert34 for more advice :)
20:25<ert34>bja, no. I don't got your point.
20:25<jmc>those who dare even to compile it
20:26<jmc>evidently care about "freedom"
20:26<jmc>they would use swfdec/gnash instead
20:26<cesurasean>I never asked you to help me crack software. I just want to understand how virtualbox figures out the computers date. :)
20:26<jmc>who says that someone that compiles icecat on his own
20:26<jmc>uses flashplugin-nonfree? :D
20:26<cesurasean>does it have it's own setting ( which I can't find ), or do I just increase the date on the bios of the actual host?
20:26<jmc>if you know somebody like that
20:27<jmc>give him my congratulations for his coherency
20:27*bja smells troll
20:27*jmc smells too :|
20:27<Supaplex>ahhh. well I'll stop feeding the troll too.
20:27<ert34>I think that compilation isn't the freedom way.
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20:28<ert34>You read won't read the source code of it all.
20:28<jmc>ok, this stops here :)
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20:28<Supaplex>he's making less sence now. must be drunk/stoned
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20:28<Supaplex>!confuse ert34
20:28<dpkg>No, what are my badger today, ert34? Breeches of the Democracy of Tahiti with extra cream.
20:29<jmc>I even know the maintainer of IceCat :P
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20:29<jmc>he doesn't flashplugin-nonfree :P
20:29<jmc>that's for sure
20:29<jmc>& use
20:29<jmc>* use
20:30<ert34>I am afraid about coosing debian for my pc. They argue that ubuntu isn't really free... because they don't has the rules like debian has though.
20:30<jmc>I missed that one
20:30<ert34>Then I am just thinking about these rules and balancing if they really make sense.
20:30<jmc>"02:29 <ert34> You read won't read the source code of it all."
20:31<jmc>what does THAT mean? :D
20:31<jmc>you read the source code of EVERY single software you use? :D
20:31<ert34>You won't read the source code of what you build.
20:31<Supaplex>jmc: qotd candidate
20:31<jmc>no, you are given the OPPORTUNITY to read it
20:31<jmc>Supaplex: definitely
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20:31<jmc>ert34: why you can't you read some source and then compile it? :)
20:31<Supaplex>ert34: that's what apt-get source is for
20:32<jmc>and, well
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20:32<jmc>you study only the sources of what you really are interested in
20:32<jmc>not all software :)
20:32<Supaplex>if that were the case I'd be stuck on linux 2.0.36 or something. haha
20:33<bja>Supaplex: my vote on qotd
20:33<ert34>Man, you think that all users need to read the source code of some program to have really free?
20:34<jmc>well, no, they must have the CHANCE to do that ^^
20:34<jmc>they give you the software
20:34<jmc>and they say
20:34<jmc>"oh, man, here's the url with the sources:"
20:34<jmc>and, if you want, and only if you want to
20:34<ert34>Chance just if you study, and really being an professional, source code isn't for normal people.
20:35<jmc>you read that
20:35<jmc>ok, what does "normal people" mean? am I a weirdo or what? :D
20:35<cesurasean>(7:29:02 PM) Supaplex: he's making less sence now. must be drunk/stoned
20:35<cesurasean>who were you talking about?
20:36<ert34>Man, I know a bit of programming, but I really know that is really impossible read the sources code as you are telling.
20:36<Supaplex>cesurasean: ert34
20:36<jmc>ert34: define "a bit"
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20:36<dpkg><ert34> You read won't read the source code of it all.
20:36<Supaplex>cesurasean: for that. :)
20:37<ert34>Make an useful program, web programming....
20:37<ert34>This was a typo
20:37<ert34>the first read doesn't exits
20:37<Supaplex>the keys were like right next to each other.
20:37<bja>!beer Supaplex
20:37*dpkg pours a quart of Delirium Tremens for Supaplex
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20:38<jmc>ert34: I do web programming too
20:38<jmc>not only
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20:39<jmc>if you have the chance to study Joomla sources
20:39<jmc>would you do that?
20:39<jmc>can you study vBulletin?
20:39<ert34>Backing to the first question. People want icecat because the firefox developers imposed restritions for changing the program... then you use an program within that you even can change(aka fkash plugins). This doesn't really makes sense for me.
20:39<ert34>jmc, no I don't have capacity to do so.
20:40<jmc>ert34: well, that's quite a different thing :)
20:40<jmc>you can't, you don't
20:40<jmc>you souldn't care
20:40<Supaplex>ert34: you do what you can. adobe, and nividia aren't nearly as forthcoming as we'd like
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20:41<Supaplex>I don't think a lot of people appriciate the progress somethings have made. dos may be dead, but freedos filled the gap well. minix pales in comparision to linux now.
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20:43<jmc>enough licences for me today
20:43<ert34>jmc, I am thinking about what you told.
20:43<jmc>it's too late at night here :P
20:43<jmc>ert34: tell me
20:43<jmc>but quick, the bed waits! :)
20:43<chealer>SQlvpapir_: I don't know if your driver supports 64-bit, but I was thinking about Debianized out-of-tree modules. in your case, I don't know what you have to do with the source.
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20:44<ert34>jmc, none conclusion yet
20:44<jmc>the clock is ticking :P
20:44<jmc>ok you'll tell me tomorrow
20:44<bja>water boiling at home jmc?
20:44<ert34>when I am winning you run
20:45<jmc>winning? :P
20:45<bja>ert34: you lost your way so way back
20:45<jmc>bja: no, it's 3 A.M. here
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20:45*bja sighs
20:45<jmc>ert34: think about what "freedom" means more generally speaking
20:45<bja>jmc: oops
20:45<jmc>if you can't, you're not free
20:46<ert34>But I will put debian in my eee pc
20:46<jmc>if you can AND want to, you're free to do it
20:46<jmc>that's all, basically speaking
20:46<jmc>ok let me go now :P
20:46<jmc>see you tomorrow
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20:46<ert34>see you later
20:47<abrotman>there is an eee-pc channel
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20:47<abrotman>#debian-eeepc i believe
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20:47<ert34>I know.
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20:48<ert34>But today I am not intersted in configuring it. It don't has already arrivied.
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20:48<abrotman>ert34: what's your native language?
20:48<ert34>I can't say. Why?
20:49<abrotman>you can't?
20:49<ert34>I know that we have a bunch of laguage debian channels.
20:49<ert34>I cleaned my CTCPs responses.
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20:50<ert34>Why you are asking for my native language.
20:51<bja>abrotman: please let this guy dwell in here, don't point him anywhere else, the rest of the debian constellation will be gratefull to you :)
20:51<ert34>bja, ?
20:53<ert34>I will get the rest boring, then it's good make me stay here?
20:53<ert34>Ah, thanks.
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20:53<abrotman>bja: but he's difficult to understand .. which makes it difficult for us to help him .. he's not here to amuse you, he's here to get help
20:54<bja>abrotman: he is here to troll the channel, and the first question i asked told me that.
20:54<slind>Hi, I booted with grml in order to repair my grub. after mount /mnt/sda1, chroot /mnt/sda1 bash and /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda1 grub says: "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.". what did i wrong?
20:54<ert34>bja, no I am not an troll.
20:54<abrotman>bja: so why would the channel want him here ?
20:54<bja>abrotman: if he really needed the help, he would have asked before
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20:55<ert34>I am trying to understand the social contract and the firefox/iceweasel issue.
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20:55<abrotman>!tell ert34 about why iceweasel
20:56<bja>abrotman: thats not for me to answer, but he has a tor cloack, he's language is barely understandable, and the las hour he's been trolling.
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20:56<abrotman>bja: you have a tor cloak .. you're barely understandable .. and you abuse the bot ..
20:57<bja>abrotman: yes, but i don't linger around the same point for hours making no sense of my self
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20:57<bja>abrotman: besides, the legal isue is solved better with a lawyer who knows the local laws.
20:57<Supaplex>I bid you all adiu. time to study.
20:57<bja>Supaplex: take care
20:59<ert34>Firefox isn't DFSGed, then they make icecat. And people use non-free flash plugins in it. Why you done icecat in first place and keep using it?
21:00<ert34>That isn't DFSGed.
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21:00<abrotman>but debian doesn't distribute non-free flash
21:01<ert34>abrotman, yes!
21:01<abrotman>ert34: and debian doesn't distribute firefox either
21:01<ert34>But a lot people probably uses icecat with it.
21:01<ert34>a lot of people/
21:01<ert34>And these icecat users argue the DFSG issue to keep using it.
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21:02<ert34>Then you agree that if you use icecat because it is against DFSG, it doesn't matter if you use against DFSG things on it?
21:02*abrotman doesn't see what icecat has to do with it
21:03<ert34>But you understand that I am trying to tell?
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21:08<ert34>"Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free" Then they made icecat
21:08<abrotman>GNU did .. not Debian
21:08<ert34>"Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free" Then they _uses_ icecat
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21:10<ert34>abrotman, you have a system 100% DFSG-free?
21:10<abrotman>nope ..
21:10<ert34>you don't care about it?
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21:18<bja>slind: I really don't know what went wrong, try to make a backup of your data through grml and try fsck on your partitions maybe on of them got corrupted.
21:19<bja>slind: get more specific data, someone might be able to help, try no to be so vague
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21:21<slind>bja, thank you for your help. hier are some helpful pastes
21:21<bja>slind: I'm on my way out, be back in about 8 hours or so, can't help you more
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21:22<bja>slind: I'm really sorry
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21:22<slind>bja: what a bummer
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21:24<abrotman>slind: and you did fsck it? or it doesn't work ?
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21:25<slind>abrotman, i'm trying fsck at the moment
21:25<abrotman>though at 1.5TB .. might take a bit
21:26<slind>abrotman: /dev/sda has "only" 160GB :-)
21:26<abrotman>ah .. good time to uh .. drink a few beers? :)
21:27<cck>Hi, i'm new to debian, so i prefer to ask before making a mistake: I want one software that is not in stable, what is the best solution to get it without breaking the possibility to update my dist later ?
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21:28<abrotman>cck: which software?
21:28<cck>abrotman: transmission
21:28<abrotman>you mean ..
21:28<abrotman>judd: info transmission
21:28<judd>abrotman: transmission (net): is optional; Version: 1.22-1; Size: 0.8k; Installed: 20k -- free, lightweight BitTorrent client
21:28<abrotman>judd: versions transmission
21:28<judd>abrotman: transmission -- etch: 0.6.1.dfsg-1 lenny: 1.22-1 sid: 1.34-1 sid: 1.40-5 squeeze: 1.61-2 sid: 1.71-1
21:28<abrotman>that one in lenny ?
21:29<cck>abrotman: but my question was not really related to that one, i have no clue what to do on debian when apt-get doens't work, should i compile, or is that going to be a problem
21:29<abrotman>cck: it really depends on what the software is
21:29<cck>meaning ?
21:29<abrotman>cck: you can use something like stow/checkinstall if you want to compile .. or use something outlined in `/msg dpkg ssb` to backport it from sid (if available there)
21:29<enouf>use Stable ;-)
21:30<abrotman>cck: also see for some other items (if the package is available there)
21:30<enouf>oh .. one software _not_ in stable ... nm me
21:30*abrotman unbeers enouf
21:30*enouf is misreading all over the friggin place
21:31<cck>abrotman: thanks, i'm going to read what it is
21:31<ert34>2) Strictly Free Software
21:31<slind>huch fsck was really fast:
21:31<abrotman>ert34: if you use just 'main'
21:31<ert34>Really doesn't matters if you use flash-plugins-non-free
21:31<abrotman>it's not in debian .. for the second time
21:32<ert34>It's a contradiction you choose debian because "2) Strictly Free Software" and use flash-plugins-non-free
21:32<cck>btw, i asked because if you do apt-get install transmission, it installs a monstruous load of crap ( i don't need the gtk client for exemple, and i suppose the libraries are ofte linked to the need of gtk
21:32<ert34>You as user
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21:34<ert34>Oh, well. You distribute a software for people to become DFDGed, then they use close source within.
21:34<abrotman>cck: aptitude search transmission .. there is a CLI package
21:34<cck>i need the daemon one, i couldn't find it
21:35<abrotman>daemon one? i thought it was just a client
21:35<cck>there is client/daemon/gui
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21:36<abrotman>ert34: they have that option .. we won't tell them they cannot do that
21:36<cck>abrotman: oh daemon is included with client
21:37<abrotman>ah ok
21:37<slind>also no success with the grub-shell:
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21:41*ert34 asks for someone in the entire world that has an really DFSG-free system
21:41<ert34>Like I thought
21:41<abrotman>!tell ert34 about gnewsense
21:41<abrotman>have a good day
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21:43<ert34>Nobody has an system in conformity with the DFSG, then why it was made in first place?
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21:44<abrotman>some people do .. i said that before
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21:45<ert34>abrotman, you didn't
21:46<abrotman>that's my choice .. so what about it?
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21:47<ert34>why you chose debian?
21:47*abrotman gives up
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21:49<adb>ert34: go away to troll
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21:50<ert34>you are offending me
21:51<adb>sorry , than
21:51<ert34>I can't ask an polimic thing without getting insulted...
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21:51<johnfg>hi folks
21:52<johnfg>I just installed qemu and friends. I read the wiki stuff, but still have a question about what kind of image will boot/run.
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21:53<johnfg>I'd like to run the new Fedora 11, and have downloaded the dvd iso. Is there an image there that I can boot with the vm?
21:53<Zviper>i've got lenny right now, i have raid0 setup but not partitoned properly. i have 2 x 750gb hdds but when i do df -h i only see one 750gb but when i do cfdisk i see it as unpartitioned. anyone have a guide to partitioning this?
21:53<abrotman>johnfg: you would create a qemu HDD image .. then boot and give the options to use the iso as your CD
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21:54<abrotman>qemu-img create -f qcow2 <imagename> <imagesizedesired>
21:55<abrotman>then something like
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21:55<abrotman>qemu -hda <imagename> -cdrom <pathtoISO> -boot d
21:55<abrotman>with other options as desired
21:55<ert34>I can ask why Debian is an better choice than Ubuntu?
21:56<ert34>Without get called as troll
21:56<johnfg>abrotman, What would I use for the image name: just fedora, e.g.?
21:57<abrotman>whatever you want to call it .. fedora_11_test_image_because_i_just_want_to_play_with_it.img .. or whatever
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22:05<johnfg>Is the path to the cdrom other than just /media/cdrom0? That's what it is.
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22:06<johnfg>I typed qemu -hda fedora11 -cdrom /media/cdrom0 -boot -d
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22:06<johnfg>But get returned: Invalid boot device.
22:06<enouf>johnfg: path/to/iso
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22:06<johnfg>aha, I see it now.
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22:10<johnfg>Gotta give up the system to my son so he can do espanol. Will chat later. Thanks for the help!
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22:45<MadEchidna>Hello everyone
22:45<MadEchidna>So I'm running testing and I just set up KDE4
22:45<MadEchidna>and I can't figure out how to get the gtk theme to work
22:45<MadEchidna>there is no gtk-qt-engine-kde4 in testing for some reason
22:45<abrotman>dpkg: why is gtk-qt-engine-kde4 not in testing
22:45<dpkg>gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is not in testing for the reasons listed in
22:47<MadEchidna>not sure what to do with that
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22:57<user01>i cant seem to open a pdf file in debian could someone verify it if i give a link to the pdf?
22:57<Zviper>post it
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22:59<user01>it generates a preview but it crashes when i try to open it in evince or xpdf
23:00<user01>and i can view it online in an online pdf viewer
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23:00<compgrokker>froze up epdfview in sid
23:00<user01>im using lenny
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23:01<user01> i uploaded it there and i could view it
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23:04<user01>wonder if there is something wrong with the way the pdf was saved
23:04<user01>normally i dont have any problems with pdf
23:05<user01>but i generate them with LaTeX usually that one was done with openoffice
23:05<adb>can't open ...
23:05<adb>in xpdf
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23:06<user01>adb, weird, but do you see a preview of it in your window manager?
23:06<adb>killall -e xpdf.bin
23:07<user01>yes i did that twice
23:07<adb>have to do it to stop xpdf
23:07<user01>i wonder if it is declared as a wrong pdf type
23:07<user01>or a preamble issue
23:08<adb>my browser has no preview -epiphany
23:08<user01>i googled for online pdf viewer and it displayed it correctly
23:10<adb>filled it in works
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23:11<user01>no idea then
23:12<adb>file a bug
23:13<user01>i can just provide a link?
23:13<adb>will be fine
23:13<user01>pdfmenot isnt working with it though it appears
23:14<NewCastleScott>Hello all, Im having issues checking something out via svn. The command Im using is "svn co svn:// osm2pgsql" and I get the error "svn: Can't connect to host '': Connection refused" . I can hit it from port 80 with the web browser but not with svn. am I missing something? I have checked something else out from a diffarent repo with out an issu
23:15<adb>NewCastleScott: known bug
23:15<NewCastleScott>any work around?
23:15<adb>find in in bts, maybe there are
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23:24*Supaplex scarfs down a butterfinger *chomp* *chomp* *chomp*
23:25<dmoerner>if i run update-initramfs -u, the default is to update the initramfs of a kernel that no longer exists. how can i get it to "forget" about this old kernel?
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23:29<dmoerner>ah, i need to clean out /var/lib/initramfs-tools
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23:31<user01> will work for a gmail account?
23:31<user01>for the bugtracker?
23:32<Supaplex>I don't see why not
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23:32<Supaplex>ssl perhaps?
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23:32<johnfg>Got the system back for a while :-)
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23:33<dmoerner>user01, make sure its sending out on port 587
23:33<dmoerner>and you will need to set smtpuser and smtptls
23:33<dmoerner>i believe
23:33<johnfg>If I want to boot the iso from the hard drive, what do I use for that flag instead of -cdrom?
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23:35<Supaplex>!tell johnfg -about rescue
23:36<Supaplex>-cdrom ... for qemu? -boot /x/
23:37<johnfg>Supaplex, Sorry for not bringing you up to speed: I was asking about booting an iso for qemu. Just trying to learn how to use it.
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23:38<Supaplex>qemu -help
23:38<Supaplex>-boot [a|c|d|n] boot on floppy (a), hard disk (c), CD-ROM (d), or network (n)
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23:49<user01>mmm so what do i do once i am done typing the details in the bug template in the vi editor?
23:51<edbian>So I recently did an upgrade from linux 2.6.26-1 to 2.6.26-2 and now I have all of these extra vmlinuz files in my /boot dir? Should I be getting rid of these? I even have a couple images for i486 (I am using an i686 architecture)
23:51<Supaplex>user01: save and quit?
23:52<user01>i think i hit :: too many times got it now
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23:52<Supaplex>edbian: dpkg -S /boot/vm* to see what packages own them, then remove the package.
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23:54<edbian>What about the initrd files?
23:55<edbian>oop nevermind it took care of those files as well
23:56<user01>Report is unchanged. Edit this report or quit [E|q|s|?]? q
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23:56<user01>and then it doesnt do anything
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23:57<user01>not sure how it is unchanged if it has a file name
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23:58<edbian>I have another problem. When I uninstalled those packages it automatically updated grub's menu.lst but it made some errors (calling my HDD hda instead of sda, pointing grub at HD(0,0) instead of hd(0,1) ) Is there anyway to stop dpkg from making these mistakes??
23:58<edbian>(BTW dpkg did the same thing (including mistakes) when I updated to 2.6.26-2
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