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00:01<johnfg> Since I'm not getting this, maybe you can tell me what I'm doing wrong in this syntax.
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00:01<edbian>On an unrelated note I am looking for a good (simple) backup program. I would like it to run automatically for me. Also what files are good to backup?
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00:03<johnfg>I created the image with, qemu-img create fedora.img 10G
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00:06<johnfg>Then, I tried to boot the image (following the wiki) with: qemu -hda fedora.img -cdrom Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso -boot -c
00:07<johnfg>But that failed with Invalid boot device.
00:07<johnfg>Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso is on my hard drive, btw, not on a dvd or cdrom.
00:08<gsimmons>johnfg: qemu -hda fedora.img -cdrom Fedora-11-i386-DVD.iso -boot d
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00:10<johnfg>gsimmons, Hooray! It's going! Thanks guys!
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00:14<edbian>What files should I be backing up??
00:14<johnfg>Into the install process, I get this message from anaconda, of course within qemu: Error processing drive sda. Maybe it needs to be reinitialized. YOU WILL LOSE ALL DATA ON THIS DRIVE!
00:15<johnfg>Is this normal withing qemu?
00:15<johnfg>Then there are two choices: Ignore drive; Re-initialize drive
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00:17<johnfg>gsimmons, What do you think?
00:19<gsimmons>dpkg: tell edbian -about things to backup
00:19<gsimmons>johnfg: Well, your new image is blank. So yes, you'll have to.
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00:22<johnfg>OK, yeah, Ignore drive didn't work.
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01:02<foopartor>good morning everybody
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01:03<foopartor>anybody using xfce in lenny: do you have the hibernate and suspend button on logout?
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01:09<foopartor>I cant get to enable them. here says its supposed to be there:
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01:11<foopartor>oops, its fixed in squeeze, not lenny
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01:46<laber>can i ask a java question here? or can you suggest me a java channel somewhrere?thanks
01:47<jm_>!tell laber -about java
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01:50<oipunx>how do i get sound in kvm to work with nvidia mcp55 audio
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01:57<RedMaw>hey, I installed lenny yesterday and restarted/shutdown several times except now it won't boot. Gets hung on start up...guess I'll type the contents of the screen into a pastebin.
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02:00<nullitt>lenny rocks. thanks to any devs/maintainers/contributors hanging around here. Kudos to you!
02:00<RedMaw>I get this msg "Gave up waiting for root device. Common problems: etc....ALERT! /dev/sda3 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!"
02:00<oipunx>check your mount
02:01<jm_>it means it couldn't find your / - check prior kernel messages to see what is going on
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02:01<RedMaw>"PCI: Not using MMCONFIG"
02:01<RedMaw>"unable to enumerate USB device on port 1"
02:01<ml|>how can i get lftp to use local time?, I tried to set in ./lftp/rc 'set ftp:timezone' so it would use local time like it suggests in manpage, also tried set ftp:timezone "GMT offset +04:00:00", but when a mirror a dir or just use get the time is 4 hours behind[GMT], since that didn't work I set use_localtime=YES in vsftpd that did work, how can I preserve timestamp on files/dirs?, when i use scp -p does this with no problem
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02:03<ml|>s/did work/didn't work/
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02:05<jm_>ml|: the format for offset is "GMT+2" for example
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02:05<liwei>who am i
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02:05<ml|>if it matters i'm using ssl, jm_ will try that
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02:25<simonrvn>someone who needs a better 'net connection?
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02:37<joe__>ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Adobe Flash Player installer.
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02:37<blast_hardcheese>There's apparently a x64 compatible flash player in either Contrib or Debian-Multimedia
02:38<blast_hardcheese>I haven't tried it yet
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02:40<Supaplex>adobe is lame
02:40<joe__>i cant get none of them to work
02:40<joe__>tried gnash, swfdec, and adobe
02:40<joe__>i cant get adobe to install
02:41<joe__>so dont know if it works or not
02:42<Supaplex>dpkg: repeat after me, adobe is tHe suxorsness
02:42<dpkg>adobe is tHe suxorsness
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03:06<ml|>jm_: that did not work set ftp:timezone "GMT+4" or set ftp:timezone "GMT offset +4" , using set ftp:use-mdtm NO and set ftp:timezone "GMT offset +4" did work, but i think will just go back to using scp/ssh/rsync
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03:09<jm_>ml|: perhaps using its debug options would reveal something then
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03:31<ottoshmidt>is kernel 2.6.27 available for debian?
03:31<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking. Eg, 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install) 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online), and <help find> (bot). <dpkg search> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>.
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03:32<Tenguch>ottoshmidt: I guess you can find it :
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03:37<ottoshmidt>I searched it but couldn't find that's why I asked here
03:37<ottoshmidt>my prob is that vbox Gues additions require kernel 2.6.27 or higher :(
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03:38<chealer>ottoshmidt: there are no official Debian packages of 2.6.27, no
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03:39<ml|>judd: kernel
03:39<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-2-686 (2.6.29-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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03:40<ottoshmidt>chealer, and 2.7.XX ?
03:40<ottoshmidt>that was something like that
03:40<chealer>ottoshmidt: there is no such thing as Linux 2.7
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03:40<Tenguch>it's going to be 2.6.30 now.
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03:40<ottoshmidt>let me check that out ones again
03:40<ml|>ottoshmidt: look at what judd just said ;)
03:41<Tenguch>oh. (2.4.37) on gentoo :D
03:41<gentoo>Linux livecd 2.6.24-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP Thu Jun 26 18:36:15 UTC 2008 i686 AMD Sempron(tm) 2400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
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03:41<Tenguch>2.6.30!b!s <- latest one.
03:42<gentoo>Gentoo used to beat up Debian daily.
03:42<gentoo>Espically on the distrowatch polls.
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03:42<gentoo>Now Gentoo is lagging behind seriously.
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03:44<Supaplex>!gentoosmite distrowatch
03:44*dpkg spends 6 days recompiling distrowatch, and when it's all done, distrowatch runs 1% slower than previously
03:44<Supaplex>;) heheheehehe.
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03:49<simonrvn>i just installed the 2.6.30 on the ppc box...
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03:49<jm_>simonrvn: does it also boot faster on PPC? it's noticably quicker on x86
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03:50<simonrvn>haven't booted it yet. they re-did the hdd scan so it does it in parallel
03:51<simonrvn>there's some lwn posts about it
03:51<jm_>sure, I read about that and the problems it can cause, was just wondering if it's generic
03:52<gentoo>!gentoosmite debian
03:52*dpkg spends 5 weeks recompiling debian, and when it's all done, debian runs no faster than previously
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03:52<simonrvn>oh i don't know.. would be nice if it worked nicely. would probably shave off 5-10 seconds off a 7 minute boot time.
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03:53<simonrvn>hmm, it's probably faster now... i took out apache on that thing, and mysql
03:53<jm_>now stupid bios etc. needs to get faster too
03:54<simonrvn>heh, yeh. i like of for that, nice and fast. too bad licensing is fricking expensive. i think it'd be more popular if it weren't.
03:58<simonrvn>oh well. in time, eventually we'll have a decent layer, and not have to deal with borkedness anymore. if that time ever comes.
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04:01<blackdragon42>Hello everyone.
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04:01<luckylucy>anyone able to help me save som files off of a crashed server. i have /var, but no /etc and want the mysql databases.
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04:02<luckylucy>i put in a usb stick, dmesg | tail shows it, but i don't know how to copy to it.
04:02<blackdragon42>No backups?
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04:02<luckylucy>not recent enough. oh how i wish i had set up cron
04:02<luckylucy>now i am in a pickle.
04:03<blackdragon42>cron jobs can be extremely helpful at times...
04:03<blackdragon42>And a good backup schedule, of course.
04:03<luckylucy>i know, i have them on another server, just not this one, it was for testing, but became more valuable than i realized. can you help?
04:04<plugwash>luckylucy, make a directory, mount the usb stick onto it, copy the files as normal and then unmount the usb stick
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04:05<luckylucy>cant mkdir, fs is read-only.
04:05<luckylucy>can't login, at sh prompt with uid 0
04:05<luckylucy>plugwash: unless of course, there is a way around my problems.
04:06<plugwash>so where did you run dmesg | tail?
04:06<blackdragon42>Do you login as a user or as root?
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04:07<luckylucy>neither, just started the box, failed to load debian, now i have this sh-3.2# prompt
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04:07<luckylucy>i haven't seen this before...consider me lost.
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04:08<luckylucy>got hit by big storm that took out the ups
04:08<blackdragon42>Do you have an install disc?
04:08<plugwash>luckylucy, can you see the files you want to recover?
04:08<blackdragon42>Have you tried rescue mode?
04:09<luckylucy>i think, for mysql i think i want var/lib/mysql, although documentation says it is a directory, mine is not, no one seems to be able to verify.
04:09<luckylucy>blackdragon42: no, i am unaware of this.
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04:10<plugwash>luckylucy, it should be a directory, if it's not then unfortunately that probablly means that everything that was inside has been destroyed :(
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04:10<blackdragon42>Boy, I hope not...
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04:10<luckylucy>plugwash: that is what i need to save my database right?
04:12<luckylucy>plugwash: #cd mysql<enter> sh: cd: mysql: Not a directory
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04:12<blackdragon42>If you load the Debian install CD you see the main menu. Select "Advanced Options", then select "Rescue Mode". I'm not sure if it would help but...
04:14<luckylucy>ok, thanks. i am going to give it a try. be back if it doesn't work :)
04:14<blackdragon42>It will probably load an installer.
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04:16<ottoshmidt>"This system does not seem to have support for OpenGL direct rendering.
04:16<ottoshmidt>VirtualBox requires Linux 2.6.27 or later for this. Please see the log
04:16<ottoshmidt>file /var/log/vboxadd-install.log if your guest uses Linux 2.6.27 and you still see this message."
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04:16<ottoshmidt>but it was a headers issue and I solved it, neverthless
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04:17<blackdragon42>Did it work for you? I don't think I ever got around to fixing that in my VirtualBox settings.
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04:18<blackdragon42>I don't really run any OpenGL programs anyways.
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04:20<ottoshmidt>it solved yes, finally I managed to install additions
04:20<ottoshmidt>have no idea of OpenGL,
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04:20<ottoshmidt>I usually install additions for Fullscreen mode and Shared folders
04:22<blackdragon42>I fiddled around to figure out how to get the VBoxAdditions working. It was a pain, anyways. OpenGL was slow, so I don't use those programs.
04:23<luca_>hi everyone
04:23<luca_>I am trying to use debuild to create a package, but I need it configured so that it installs in custom directories ..
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04:23<luca_>I can't figure out how to give this option to debuild though :(
04:24<blackdragon42>Have you read the man page or any other documentation?
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04:24<luca_>I know the option I have to pass to the program
04:24<luca_>the problem is,
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04:25<luca_>I cannot figure out the right sintax - it thinks the options always are relative to dpkg-buildpackage (which is called by debuild)
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04:33<jm_>alternatively call dpkg-buildpackage manually
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04:36<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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05:01<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
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05:02<Ethaniel>Do you know how can I resolve a panic kernel regarding a "no NFS server installed"?
05:04<Ethaniel>The new kernel already kicked me, as you can see...
05:04<sander_m>Hello. I could use some help debugging a TCP/IP issue. I am writing a webapplication that uses beanstalkd, a message queue. The application and beanstalkd communicate over port 11300. There is a problem with the application. Are there any tools in Debian that allow me to see what is flowing over port 11300 in real time?
05:04<jm_>sander_m: yes
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05:04<sander_m>jm_: Such as? :-)
05:04<jm_>sander_m: tcpdump, wireshark etc.
05:05<sander_m>jm_: Thanks. I'll go have a look!
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05:06<blackdragon42>I like using wireshark, personally. You can view your port activities in realtime with that.
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05:07<blackdragon42>That, too. As a standard utility, it works well without using much resources.
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05:12<Shauny>Hi there.
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05:16<Ethaniel>Anyone tried the new kernel?
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05:17<Ethaniel>I just keep getting this weird panic...
05:18<jm_>what is the new kernel?
05:18<locklace>"the" new kernel? what are you talking about?
05:19<locklace>what kernel version? what version of debian? what exactly is happening? how far does the boot progress? paste the panic message
05:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:20<Ethaniel>The last one, 2.6.30, I'm with "Testing" right now.
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05:21<Ethaniel>Or "squeeze". I always mistype that.
05:21<jm_>there is no 2.6.30 kernel in testing
05:21<locklace>judd kernel
05:21<judd>locklace: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-2-686 (2.6.29-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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05:22<Ethaniel>I downloaded it and compiled it, just for kicks. Never knew the kernel would kick back...
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05:22<jm_>well in that case you configured the kernel or boot loader incorrectly
05:22<locklace>then you screwed up the configuration
05:22<jm_>or failed to build initrd image for example
05:23*OdyX points discretely to
05:23<locklace>OdyX: might want to point continuously instead
05:23<OdyX>I haz 2.6.30-trunk built "as it would be for Debian"
05:23<OdyX>locklace: point continuously ?
05:23<OdyX>who is continuously ?
05:24<locklace>you were pointing discretely. thought continuous pointing might be more effective
05:24<Ethaniel>Well, it's the first time I try to compile a kernel. A terrible attempt so far...
05:24<locklace>Ethaniel: back to the drawing board
05:25<OdyX>locklace: in fact. but I don't know what's the policy for these things... the "I want the latest shiny kernel" is probably not suited for testing users…
05:26<OdyX>Ethaniel: Debian is about having people do these compiling things for you…
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05:28<Ethaniel>I just did it to explore a little. The compiling process went fine, but I get this "NFS server panic" thingie that I don't understand what it is.
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05:29<Ethaniel>I wanted to know what went wrong but the error message is... cryptic.
05:29<locklace>Ethaniel: if you don't know how to debug it, compiling the kernel is probably not for you
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05:32<Ethaniel>I imagined the same thing. Have you compiled a kernel?
05:33<locklace>yes sir
05:33<Ethaniel>I read it's the "ultimate customization process".
05:34<Ethaniel>Although there must be a difference between "compiling" and "making your own".
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05:36<Ethaniel>I don't like to ask about these things. I don't want to be a lamer....
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05:37<locklace>you are being a lamer, pretty much, because you're asking before reading
05:38<locklace>and your total failure to paste the details of your situation and the exact error message ensures that no one here will be able to give you any specific help, even if they wanted to
05:39<locklace>what you should do is go read up on some of the hundreds of guides and howtos on building the kernel, and review the relevant sections from the debian reference documentation
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05:41<Ethaniel>Well, let me reproduce the error. Give me a minute.
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05:44<Ethaniel>Here's a screenshot:
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05:48<OdyX>Ethaniel: why would you need 2.6.30 by the way ? I mean, you obvisouly lack some kernel options which _are_ in Squeeze's kernel (and in Sid's)
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05:50<Ethaniel>Pure, vulgar curiosity. I just wanted to see it work.
05:51<OdyX>it does not…
05:51<OdyX>to get the "whoa, I used a self-compiled tool", beginning by the kernel is certainly not the first thing to do…
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05:52<Kjetil>and 2.6.30 has some new fancy stuff
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05:52<OdyX>Ethaniel: the best to read is probably The kernel Handbook:
05:53<Ethaniel>Let me see that...
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05:55<Ethaniel>Looks like I could print it. I thought it would have more pages...
05:56<Ethaniel>(locklace, are you still angry with me?)
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05:59<enkrypt>when I used to compile my own kernels I included the boot logo, the tux logo which showed when booting with vesa fb. how can I do that when using the default debian kernel from packages?
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06:03<Guest311>how to set local hooks in live helper
06:03<locklace>Ethaniel: i'm never angry
06:04<Guest311>hi looklace
06:05<locklace>!beer Guest311
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06:07<locklace>enkrypt: you can't, afaik. it has to be compiled in
06:07<Ethaniel>Great, my boss is yelling. Got to flee. Take care everyone.
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06:08<morpheuss>can u please tell me locklace have the same problem
06:08<jm_>enkrypt: check if debian kernels have it enabled
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06:16<locklace>!lart pauk
06:16*dpkg --purges pauk
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06:37<Tuplad>I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers, but it's killing me... could anyone take a look at this ? it says that compiler to compile the kernel doesnt match the current kernel:
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06:39<themill>Tuplad: if you install the drivers the debian way, the packages take care of that for you. /msg dpkg nvidia ; If you want to use their broken installer thing, then "/msg dpkg nvidia compiler fix"
06:40<Tuplad>themill: I'm mainly doing all of this to use compiz
06:40<jm_>the reason doesn't matter
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06:41<Tuplad>themill: but my xorg.conf file seems to not be correct, and direct rendering isn't on either... I googled and it seems to be the solution
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06:41<themill>Tuplad: installing the nvidia driver might be the solution, but installing it via the debian packages is better in the long run to using the installer from the nvidia website
06:43<Tuplad>themill: oh ... :o
06:43<Tuplad>themill: do you by chance know the package name ?
06:43<themill>dpkg: tell Tuplad about nvidia
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07:04<jrodger>good evening, I am after some help that requires the restarting of the sshd daemon on a regular basis, can someone help me with cron?
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07:33<locklace>!greet jrodger
07:33<dpkg>Gr33tz, jrodger
07:33<themill>jrodger: why would you want to restart sshd regularly?
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07:35<soc>does anyone have an idea, when texlive will be updated?
07:35<soc>version 2007 is still in the repos, but version 2008 is available since september 2008 ... i guess we could update to texlive 2009 now ...
07:35<themill>soc: aiui, there is work going on for this
07:36<soc>themill: is there any progress?`because the webpage remains unchanged ...
07:36<tarzeau>i need newer sextractor packages!
07:37<soc>and how much sense does it make to update texlive to 2008 when version 2009 will be released in september?
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07:38<dpkg>hello, scorpion
07:40<jrodger>themill: the proxy sshd service stops for some reason, preventing remote maintenance unless i restart the server.
07:40<themill>soc: see (and earlier threads that month about texlive 2008)
07:41<scorpion>hi! how do i configure my webcam to be used with Skype? Cheese shows static
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07:44<themill>jrodger: proxy sshd? what sort of config do you have? periodically restarting sshd doesn't really sound like the best solution to this, does it?
07:45<jrodger>scorpion: I count my webcam not working as a blessing, is rich and closed source software (like all their stuff)
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07:46<jrodger>themill: I need do some remote maintenance from time to time the proxy is inside the firewall, and I'm the only linux user inside the company. Aside from restarting the server is there another way to resart sshd without the cold boot?
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07:47<themill>jrodger: this is just a machine you ssh to first and then ssh on to the next machine? What happens when you can no longer reconnect?
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07:50<jrodger>themill: I only need access to this computer. I and it are within the network, everyone else is a virus user (windows) and time to time I need log on to check logs, disk space etc
07:55<jrodger>themill: you think I am looking at things the wrong way? is there another?
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07:58<jrodger>proxy is debian derivative and sits between the firewall and the exchange box. Unfortunately I administer a windows network (from a glorious debian box) and the sshd issue plagues me.
07:58<jm_>jrodger: proper way would be to find out why it stops working
07:58<jrodger>jm_: granted, but windows users are like children, they require constant daiper changeds
07:59<jm_>jrodger: but it's only you using it no?
08:00<jrodger>no, it scans mail for virii and spam. It worries me that it may have been "changed"
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08:02<jm_>changed how?
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08:07<jrodger>jm_: well cracked, I'm only new to the game and we have a contractor that checks isk space etc., however the checks are intermittent so I would eventually like to take the checks over.
08:08<breeg>can u read my messages?
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08:08<jm_>jrodger: ahh, try rootkit detectors, debsums and compare against known good checksums etc.
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08:09<root>anyone know any good backup software, especially for mysql-dbs ?
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08:14<jrodger>jm_: but I thought you needed to "baseline" that sort of thing first? is nl the best site to get rootkits from still?
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08:15<locklace>jrodger: indeed. if you don't have a baseline, you're obviously going to find it hard to tell whether things have changed from baseline
08:16<jm_>jrodger: indeed, that's why I said against known good checkusms
08:16<locklace>jrodger: but things like debsums can still help you check the integrity of packages
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08:18<locklace>jrodger: if you want/need to do integrity checking and intrusion detection comprehensively, check out something like samhain
08:18<jrodger>okay, I can try that next week. I will also look at the sshd logs to see why it keeps stopping, any other pointers I should take heed of?
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08:21<jm_>you'll probably want to run sshd in debug mode for that
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08:27<jrodger>jm_: running in debug mode?
08:28<jm_>jrodger: yes
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08:32<jrodger>jm_: how do I do that?
08:34<jm_>jrodger: edit ssh options, it's -d or multiples of it
08:35<jrodger>jm_:okay, will look into it, thanks
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09:09<jrodger>quick question....what port I need open on the firewall to be able to access this IRC from work?
09:09<ml|>jrodger: depends how are you connecting
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09:12<[Gloom]>hi there. I'm trying powertop to maximize battery, and I got a couple of doubts. Are the settings that powertope set permanent, or should I run powertop on each reboot? And are the settings ( like min_power in /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/link_power_management_policy) ignored when the AC adapter is on, or could they affect the performance while on AC power?
09:12<jrodger>through a firewall
09:12<jrodger>ml| through a firewall, just need open the port
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09:13<ml|>right, but what are you using ssh?
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09:14<jrodger>not through ssh, no proxy just the firewall
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09:15<jrodger>ml|: not through ssh or anything jusy normal network access, except for the firewall
09:15<ml|>jrodger: how are you running your irc client
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09:15<ml|>jrodger: screen and irssi are great for this
09:16<jm_>jrodger: or ask netsta and it'll show you
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09:17<ml|>and using ssh to connect would be better
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09:17<jrodger>sorry, I'm not following you......
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09:17<jm_>netstat -a|grep oftc
09:17<jrodger>I just think that the port is being blocked at the firewall, I am using Konversation.....
09:18<johnfg>hey folks
09:18<johnfg>Do I just delete the image I created with qemu to start over? Or do I have to delete it with qemu itself?
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09:27<ml|>johnfg: deleting img should be fine
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09:28<johnfg>ml|, Thanks, that worked.
09:29<jmc>still puzzled by flash? :D
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09:42<johnfg>What command do I use to search for a package? Specifically, I was going to install kqemu-modules-$(uname -r), but aptitude returns an error saying it doesn't exist.
09:42<leikh>I've just set up Exim4 with clamav and spamassassin on Debian Lenny. Shouldn't there be something mentioning that the email has been scanned by clamav in the email header?
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09:44<petemc>leikh: did you tell it to add a header ?
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09:45<locklace>johnfg: aptitude search
09:45<gsimmons>johnfg: There aren't any pre-built kqemu-modules packages for Lenny. Use module-assistant to build for your system; /msg dpkg m-a
09:45<ttf>hi all.. where can I read up on when to use ~, +, etc. when building custom packages?
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09:45<ml|>or apt-cache search
09:46<johnfg>gsimmons, Yeah, I figured after the message back, that that might be the case.
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09:46<jackyf>ttf: debian policy, about sorting version string
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09:47<ttf>hmm I did check but couldn't find it
09:47*ttf doublechecking..
09:47<themill>!compare versions
09:47<dpkg>version compare
09:47<themill>dpkg, version compare
09:47<dpkg>The canonical way to test whether one version string is considered greater than another is by testing an assertion such as: dpkg --compare-versions 1.1 gt 1.1~rc1 && echo true. See also
09:48<leikh>petemc: well, I didn't tell anything to spamassassin either, but that's in the header. I see SA activity in exims mainlog, but I can't se any clamav-activity...
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09:48<ttf>good - thanks!
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09:50<petemc>leikh: look at the data acl, compare the config for SA with that for clamav
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09:54<leikh>petemc: ok, thx
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09:57<leikh>petemc: well, the acl is set up according to this
09:58<petemc>that looks very old
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10:10<zebulon>Hi there
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10:10<zebulon>where to go for questions related to debian package?
10:11<zebulon>my xchat does not display network list :P
10:11<petemc>you can ask here
10:12<zebulon>OK, I have been trying to build a lintian clean package...
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10:12<zebulon>Just one warning is left to be sorted...
10:13<zebulon>W: fisygradis: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/fisygradis
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10:13<zebulon>I have done the modification in dirs: /usr/share/man
10:14<zebulon>and created fisygradis.6 in debian
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10:15<zebulon>but the man page is not put in usr/share/man
10:16<ghantoos>zebulon: did you add dh_installman in your debian/rules ?
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10:17<ghantoos>cat you paste your debian/rules file? (
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10:18<zebulon>ghantoo: ok
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10:22<famelix_>rm -f /
10:22<adb>!ops famelix_ spam
10:22<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: famelix_ spam
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10:23<jeka>ñêîëüêî íóæíî ñâîáîäíîãî ìåñòà äëÿ ñáîðêè ÿäðà?
10:23<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:23<Supaplex>adb: awwwe I wanted to play with my prey. heh :)
10:23<ert34_>jeka, probably not.
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10:25<ghantoos>zebulon: try adding "dh_installman path/to/fisygradis.6"
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10:25<ghantoos>zebulon: inside the "binary-arch: build install" part
10:26<ghantoos>zebulon: fisygradis.6 shouldn't be created in debian/
10:27<ghantoos>zebulon: if you want to add a file to the package you should patch the package (i.e. in debian/patches/ )
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10:31<johnfg>I've got the kqemu module loaded, and it definitely makes qemu faster. However, after initial compiliing I added it with modprobe then rebooted. It wasn't added automatically after reboot. How do I add it to /etc/modules?
10:31<gsimmons>johnfg: man modules
10:32<johnfg>gsimmons, So, I just have to find the module and copy it over, right?
10:32<bja>johnfg: on init.d there should be a script that loads the module, that should be linked to the runlevel directory
10:34<ghantoos>johnfg: echo kqemu >> /etc/modules
10:34<jrodger>johnfg: have you tried setting the runlevel of the kqemu, I forgot how, but if you set the runlevel should fix it....
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10:36<johnfg>ghantoos, I think what you said will probably do it, and jrodger, maybe that would have done it, too. I'll reboot in a bit and see if that got it.
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10:38<johnfg>Is there a way to get synaptic package manager to do the search like it does in ubuntu? I.e., I think it must maintain some sort of cache, or db of pkgs, and as soon as you start to type in the search box, voila, whatever starts with that letter shows up.
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10:41<jrodger>my understanding is that it does (within the selected resources)
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10:42<johnfg>I've barely played with ubuntu, but it's definitely different, and it saves a step, so is also a bit quicker.
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10:43<zebulon>ghantoos: could the path be dh_installman fisygradis/usr/share/man/
10:43<jrodger>I have added a few repositories and regularly do a bit of a cleanup but it seems to do okay
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10:44<ghantoos>zebulon: it depends where the "make install" puts fisygradis.6
10:45<ghantoos>zebulon: if it installs it in ${DESTDIR}/usr/share/man/ you should specify "dh_installman usr/share/man/fisygradis.6
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10:46<zebulon>ghantoos: good point, in my, I must specify it, isn't it?
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10:47<ghantoos>zebulon: you have 2 choices, or add a patch that will add the man file, or edit your Makefile so that it installs the man file
10:48<zebulon>ghantoos: thx, let me try the Makefile first...
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10:49<ghantoos>zebulon: cool :)
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10:56<zebulon>ghantoos: I just realised that my was producing a /usr/share/man / instead of /usr/share/man/ :P
10:56<zebulon>silly me!
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11:06<herard>saludo Daniel
11:07<herard>no se si esta conectado
11:07<locklace>herard: still not spanish
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11:08<herard>I want to say you I have problem witch mi monitor
11:08<herard>for that I can't come today
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11:13<joe__>salin bank and trust company
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11:16<bja>herard: mail is a better channel for you comunications
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11:19<herard>ok daniel
11:19<herard>I will do that
11:19<herard>have a good day!
11:20<herard>please you don't if the screen is there?
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11:21<locklace>herard: you fail at irc. :(
11:22<bja>locklace: I don't think he even cares about it. :(
11:23<dr|z3d>bja: mail? I'm thinking more along the lines of finger painting. ;)
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11:23<bja>dr|z3d: you made my day :D
11:24<Nazcafan>hi, anyone experiencing, the "no more alt-gr in gtkapps" issue?
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11:46<ttf>bye all..
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11:48<shze>I tried to create a pbuilder base.tgz using stable, but while extracting libdb4.6 I always get "E: Got signal: Broken pipe, cleaning up"
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11:48<shze>it does not even clean up directories
11:48<shze>I tried debug switch, no more info
11:48<shze>what can I do to find the problem?
11:48<zebulon>ghantoos:are you still here
11:50<shze>btw. I'm using testing
11:50<zebulon>I have got an error when trying: dh_installman ./debian/fisygradis/usr/share/man
11:51<zebulon>ghantoos: this is the error: dh_installman: Could not determine section for ./debian/fisygradis/usr/share/man
11:51<zebulon>make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1
11:52<azeem>zebulon: dh_installman expects files as arguments, not directories
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11:52<azeem>besides, when the
11:53<azeem>manpages are already in ./debian/fisygradis/usr/share/man, you don't need dh_installman anymore
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11:58<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:58<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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11:59<fakocero>tnk to all
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11:59<OxyGenic>hello, anyone good with ldap here? :)
12:01<ml|>bja: -2
12:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> <search>, or <htasq>
12:01<zebulon>azeem: something weird is going on. I removed the man statement from because it created a directory usr/share/man /man6 <-- note the space before the slash, anyway thank you to remind me about the file condition: ./debian/fisygradis/usr/share/man/fisygradis.6
12:01<tuxcrafter>is there a package in debian that creates a ifup and ifdown system of sshfs entries in fstab (so disconnect connect when network goes down gomes up)
12:01<tuxcrafter>else i am going to create it
12:02<tuxcrafter>and uplaod it to mentors for sponsering
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12:03<azeem>zebulon: what was the line in like?
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12:03<Zathraz>hi. Looking for some help on firebird2 on Etch. Seems it is not running, all packages are installed, yet all packages seem to contain just README and the like files. No start/stop script. What should I look for please?
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12:03<Zathraz>firebird2 as being the SQL DB, not the mailclient
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12:04<ml|>bja: btw figured out sort of, but went back t using scp, rsync
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12:05<bja>ml|: great
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12:06<ml|>ftp with ssl is slow compared to scp rsync and uses more cpu
12:07<bja>ml|: sftp ?
12:08<ml|>more like ftp with tls
12:08<ml|>but that use ssl
12:08<bja>ml|: I believe rsync also uses ssh on its own
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12:09<ml|>bja: rsync -a file -e ssh user@host etc
12:09<vvas>-e ssh may well be the default these days
12:09<ml|>but if using ssh-agent -e is not needed
12:10<ml|>ssh-agent then ssh-add i meant to say
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12:12<ml|>bja: sftp uses ssh
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12:15<zebulon>azeem: OK, even though I removed the following statements: mandir = $(datadir)/man and man_MANS = ../debian/usr/share/man with a space that I discovered afterwards. The dpkg tools keep creating two man pages under usr/share one is empty and the man with space contains man6/fisygradis.6
12:15<bja>ml|: its part of the bundle
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12:16<azeem>zebulon: debian-specific directories have no business in Makefiles
12:16<ml|>but once you ssh-agent $SHELL ssh-add it's easier to use scp or rsync because then completion works, I did try lftp sftp://user@host but seems clunky comapared to ssh rsync
12:16<azeem>and mandir should already be defined by autoconf
12:16<ml|>bja: yup
12:16<vvas>ml|: really? i use lftp with sftp:// all the time
12:17<vvas>ml|: and i think it supports fish:// too
12:17<zebulon>azeem: OK therefore, could it be a problem caused by the rules file
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12:17<azeem>I don't know
12:17<azeem>zebulon: the upstream build system should install the manpages at the proper place
12:17<zebulon>azeem: do I have to use the patches file solution to sort it out
12:17<ml|>vvas: i tried fish 'zsh' but was ok
12:18<azeem>zebulon: note that "man_MANS = " expects the list of manpages, not a directory
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12:18<ml|>vvas: guess i'm just used to ssh rsync,
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12:18<stuckey>I'm trying to scan something with "scanimage"; when I do I see "scanimage: sane_read: Operation was cancelled
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12:19<stuckey>" in the terminal. It creates a "scan.png" file, but I'm not able to open it. If I try to open it with gpicview or gimp, I see an error that says "Failed to load image 'scan.png': Premature end-of-file encountered"
12:19<azeem>stuckey: how big is the file?
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12:19<azeem>stuckey: is your file system full maybe?
12:19<stuckey>And why does irssi send a message when I copy and paste something? That's really annoying.
12:20<stuckey>azeem: there's 1.9g free on the filesystem.
12:20<vvas>stuckey: you're selecting a whole line, so when you paste it you paste the newline too (same as pressing <enter>)
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12:23<stuckey>azeem: <--- I've posted the output of /var/log/syslog there at the very bottom; I had another program but I found a solution to it.
12:23<ml|>bja: what i was trying to say before is that sftp and ftp with ssl are different
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12:25<bja>ml|: yes you are right
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12:26<ml|>old school scp, rsync ftw :)
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12:27<azeem>stuckey: why http?
12:27<ghantoos>zebulon: does your man file start with: .TH fisygradis 6 "date.." "version" ?
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12:27<azeem>is this scanning over the network?
12:27<ml|>atleast found out that lftp is a good ftp client was using ncftp
12:27<stuckey>azeem: I'm not following...
12:28<stuckey>azeem: oh... in the log... hmmm, I have no idea.
12:28<azeem>Jun 12 18:08:40 debian scanimage: http.c 344: invalid http_status=0
12:28<stuckey>azeem: Why is it http?
12:28<azeem>I'm asking you
12:28<stuckey>I've got no clue
12:28<azeem>maybe it's another http
12:28<bja>ml|: I usually use wget for both http and ftp
12:28<azeem>stuckey: how is the scanner connected?
12:28<azeem>Jun 12 18:08:40 debian scanimage: sane_hpaio_read(maxLength=32768): User cancelled!
12:28<azeem>I don't know about this, try googling
12:29<azeem>might be a driver or hardware problem
12:29<ml|>bja: yes, i need to use wget more and read up on it
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12:29<stuckey>azeem: It was two days before I could even get it to respond to the "scanimage" command; it's actually scanning now. It's just that I'm not getting the file.
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12:30<azeem>you're not getting the file becase there was an error
12:30<bja>ml|: nice little bugger, a wolf on sheep costume
12:30<azeem>I'd say
12:30<ml|>bja: thanks for mentioning it :)
12:30<azeem>stuckey: maybe your /tmp is full?
12:31<stuckey>azeem: How do I tell if temp is full?
12:31<azeem>df /tmp
12:31<vvas>bja: i actually use lftp quite often for http:// ;^)
12:31<vvas>it supports ls and everything
12:31<stuckey>azeem: it's mounted with /home, 1.9g free
12:31<bja>vvas: :)
12:31<azeem>with home?
12:32<stuckey>azeem: on the same partition I mean
12:32<ml|>vvas: yes lftp is nice :)
12:32<azeem>stuckey: what does tune2fs -l /dev/hda2 | grep Free.inodes say?
12:32<azeem>exchanging hda2 to your /tmp, /home partition
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12:34<stuckey>tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda5
12:34<stuckey>Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
12:34<Zathraz>try dumpe2fs
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12:35<phrhd>hi, could anyone tell me how i can prevent mysqld from beng started when i boot up?
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12:35<stuckey>azeem: "
12:35<azeem>stuckey: so it's probably not sda5
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12:35<stuckey>/dev/sda5 15G 13G 1.9G 87% /
12:36<Zathraz>phrhd, change the startlevel or add an exit 0 in the startscript (which is ugly and will break when upgrading)
12:36<azeem>stuckey: and/or you're not running it as root
12:36<vvas>phrhd, use update-rc.d(8) to remove its startup links from /etc/rc?.d
12:36<Zathraz>yup, thats the way to go
12:36<phrhd>i have never done that before...
12:36<phrhd>ok, simply read the man page?
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12:37<azeem>no idea then
12:37<azeem>stuckey: well, let's assume that's not the problem
12:37<stuckey>azeem: okay
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12:47<stuckey>azeem: <-- see anything there?
12:48<azeem>that ENOPERM is a bit suspicious
12:48<azeem>Jun 12 18:43:53 debian scanimage: io/hpmud/musb.c 136: unable get_string_descriptor -1: Operation not permitted
12:52<stuckey>azeem: After turning off and then back on, it only scans if I'm running it as root. Otherwise, I get: scanimage: no SANE devices found
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12:59<zebulon>azeem: can you explain to me why I have got a man/ (empty) and a man\/ with man6/fisygradis.6 inside?
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13:02<zebulon>azeem: is that a known bug
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13:05<stuckey>Anyone here ever tried that csmash game? It's pretty hard.
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13:10<azeem>zebulon: 18:16 < azeem> zebulon: note that "man_MANS = " expects the list of manpages, not a directory
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13:13<zebulon>azeem: I tried this: man_MANS = ../debian/fisygradis/usr/share/man/fisygradis.6
13:13<azeem>are you actually reading what I say?
13:13<azeem>18:14 < azeem> zebulon: debian-specific directories have no business in Makefiles
13:15<zebulon>where is the "man_MANS = " statement then?
13:15<zebulon>azeem: rules?
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13:18<zebulon>azeem: is it man_MANS = /usr/share/man/fisygradis.6 in Makefile?
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13:19<azeem>man_MANS enumerates the manpages *in that directory*
13:19<azeem>automake will automatically install them at the correct location
13:20<azeem>just like it will install programs from bin_PROGRAMS (or what's it called) to the correct location
13:20<zebulon>azeem: is it man_MANS = fisygradis.6 in Makefile?
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13:20<azeem>zebulon: probably
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13:20<zebulon>azeem: OK, let me have a go then
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13:24<zebulon>azeem: still no trace of fisygradis in man/
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13:25<zebulon>azeem: still no trace of fisygradis.6 in man/ sorry
13:25<azeem>did you run automake? did you check it gets installed upon make install?
13:25<azeem>did you rerun config.status
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13:34<zebulon>azeem: Should I remove the config.status file, Lintian throws me a warning if I keep it
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13:34<azeem>you have to fix the build system before you worry about Debian stuff
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13:36<zebulon>azeem: the build system works without the man page, /usr/bin/fisygradis is OK
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13:36<azeem>zebulon: installing the manpage is part/job of the build system
13:37<zebulon>That is why I am working on it
13:37<azeem>ok, but lintian has nothing to do with this
13:37<zebulon>azeem:well trying
13:38<zebulon>azeem: I must agree
13:39<drakeman>Anyone have an idea, if actually im using openbox as window manager, now i installed pcmanfm how do i use it by default?
13:40<drakeman>sorry, how do i use pcman as default file manager
13:41<drakeman>right now im using gnome / openbox.
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13:47<zebulon>azeem: do you think that I should look at or any other config files for errors to solve my manpage issue
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13:49<azeem>zebulon: I wouldn't know
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13:50<shze>trying to create a stable base.tgz using testing pbuilder stops with "E: Got signal: Broken pipe, cleaning up"
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13:50<shze>debug does not give any more information
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13:50<shze>what's wrong? what can I do?
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13:51<azeem>shze: proabably an error occurred further above, inspect the full log
13:52<shze>azeem: you mean the output? or do I miss a log file?
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13:53<azeem>shze: yes, probably
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13:53<azeem>no idea whether pbuilder logs that automaticalyl
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13:54<shze>azeem: full screen output at, but I don't see any other error
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13:55<azeem>shze: then check for a full file system
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13:56<shze>azeem: should be no problem, /tmp has 6G free
13:57<shze>usually base.tgz is <100M, so even uncompressed it should fit
13:57<azeem>did you try again?
13:57<shze>tried 3 times total, did never work
13:58<shze>but if I try testing it works immediately
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13:58<azeem>no idea, sorry
13:58<azeem>maybe try debootstrap directly instead
13:58<shze>would have to figure out how that works, but I can try
13:59<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>: . It is key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
13:59<shze>nice, thanks!
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14:05<chi_of_cause>hi, someone got information regarding useage of ENVY (Nvidea) in LENNY?
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14:12<chi_of_cause>!selftell envy
14:12<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
14:13<ml|>dpkg: tell chi_of_cause about nvidia
14:13<vvas>chi_of_cause: if i'm not mistaken, there are nvidia driver packages included in the non-free section
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14:14<ml|>i don't think there is envy in debian ;)
14:14<chi_of_cause>vvas: may you explain what section means? do you mean a package source?
14:15<ml|>chi_of_cause: read msg from dpkg it will explain
14:15<chi_of_cause>ml|: there is envy in debian, 4.0 (stable)
14:15<sney>part of it is in non-free and part of it is in contrib. make sure your sources.list has those entries or it will not work
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14:16<vvas>chi_of_cause: are you familiar with /etc/apt/sources.list?
14:16<ml|>judd: versions envy
14:16<judd>ml|: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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14:17<chi_of_cause>i am familiar with the concept of the file, but not with any of the debian package sources... i only added "" where is the information about the non-free source?
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14:18<ml|>chi_of_cause: read msg from dpkg it will explain
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14:19<vvas>chi_of_cause: in your main packages line, just change "main" to "main contrib non-free" and then the packages from those sections will be available too
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14:20<ml|>dpkg: tell chi_of_cause about sources.list
14:20<chi_of_cause>ml|: okay, i found the manpage for sources.list.
14:21<chi_of_cause>already, would have saved me some trouble- to figure out who to trust^^
14:21<ml|>ok, did you read wiki for nvidia
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14:22<chi_of_cause>well i just parsed it for the sources ^^! i will first look at packages before building any driver myself
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14:22<chi_of_cause>is there a package-source project in debian? (sry i just have so many questions and can't google them all^^)
14:22<ml|>ok, but envy doe not come up for me anywhere gl
14:23<vvas>i guess envy meant NV meant nvidia
14:24<ml|>but envy and nv are two diffrent things
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14:24<vvas>they're both green :^)
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14:25<ml|>chi_of_cause: if you want to use the nvidia driver i suggest you read the nvidia wiki page that dpkg gave you
14:25<pbn>Hi there I got 4 GB RAM and I'm dualbooting between 32-bit and 64-bit. 64-bit shows 3967 MB but 32-bit shows 3280 MB ... is that normal ?
14:26<ml|>pbn: yes
14:26<chi_of_cause>ml|: yes i understand xD - just checking the new easy power from my sources.list
14:26<SlimeyPete>32-bit limits you to a 4GB address space
14:26<SlimeyPete>your hardware (graphics card etc) occupies some of that space
14:26<ml|>limitation of 32 bit right
14:26<pbn>yes I know 32 bit is max 4 GB
14:26<SlimeyPete>thus, you can only see about 3.2GB of RAM on most 32-bit systems
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14:27<ml|>no 3.4gb
14:27<ml|>or there abouts :)
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14:27<SlimeyPete>yeah, but the point is that it's a maximum 4GB *address space* - not max 4GB RAM. RAM and other hardware must share the address space.
14:27<ml|>pbn: you can use bigmen kernel for 32 bit
14:27<matth>mmh 32bit could be more with CPU PAE extension
14:27<pbn>SlimeyPete: yeah I get it, the graphics card had 512 MB DDR3, and the CPU needs to address that memory too...
14:28<pbn>matth: I've read that with PAE extension it's not 32-bit but 36-bit
14:28<SlimeyPete>pbn: indeed, and all the gadgetry on your mobo, your sound card etc. requires at least some space
14:28<SlimeyPete>it adds up :/
14:28<matth>pbn: I guess that's what the bigmem kernel is for
14:28<vvas>isn't PAE enabled by default in stock Debian kernels?
14:28<matth>up to 64GB
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14:29<matth>vvas: apparently not. On a stock sid 32bit kernel here CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
14:29<matth>(instead of CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y)
14:30<vvas>yeah makes sense i guess
14:30<Gathond>the 64G option probably gives a performance hit which it not generally desirable
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14:31<ml|>Gathond: right
14:31<vvas>pbn: so yeah, either get the i686-bigmem linux-image or the amd64 one
14:31<Gathond>pbn: its not really 36 bit though, it is 32 bit for individual processes
14:31<Gathond>so only rather specific loads will benefit from more than 4 GB
14:31<vvas>Gathond: he's only got 4GB of physical memory, so i don't think he'll mind this particular limitation ;^)
14:32<pbn>vvas: you mean I can use a amd64 kernel on a 32-bit userland ?
14:32<vvas>pbn: indeed
14:32<vvas>pbn: and Debian provides it as a package
14:32<Gathond>pbn: you could, but subject to the same limitations (which with 4 GB as vvas says is rather academic)
14:33<Gathond>some chipsets will not allow you to use the entire 4 GB though no matter what
14:33<vvas>pbn: that's what i do in fact on my home PC
14:33<Gathond>some intel chipsets only supports 4 GB at the memory controller level
14:33<pbn>Gathond: ok but I plan to expand to 8 GB soon... with that amd64 kernel on a 32-bit userland, will I be able to address the 8 GB ?
14:33<Gathond>nothing can change that, and those 4 GB includes the PCI address space of 768 MB or so
14:34<ml|>yes even some nvidia chipsets
14:34<vvas>Gathond: surely not the ones that are meant to be coupled with 64-bit processors?
14:34<Gathond>pbn: probably, with the limitatins above
14:34<Gathond>vvas: sure
14:34<Gathond>vvas: some of the early c2d chipsets
14:34<Gathond>my laptop for one
14:35<Gathond>runs smooth af 64 bit, supports 4 GB of memory but the memory controller only supports 4 GB as well so 4 GB of modules yields 3200MB usable memory
14:35<ml|>some bios have this limitation
14:35<Gathond>pbn: it would still be subject to the 4 GB limit per 32 bit process though
14:35<Gathond>so you won't be able to use 8 GB of memory for one process
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14:36<ml|>yup only in 64bit
14:36<Gathond>which may and may not be an issue for you
14:36<ml|>even then the app has to support it
14:36<Gathond>ml|: no it wouldn't
14:37<Gathond>a 64 bit app would be able to reference >4 GB or memory without any specific support
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14:39<ml|>Gathond: dunno about that is my understanding that the app needs to be done a certian way to address that much ram, but i could be wrong
14:40<Gathond>well it needs to be compiled with 64 bit pointers
14:40<Gathond>and generally not do anything to typecast stuff to 32 bit on the way
14:40<Gathond>but if done properly it should just work
14:40<ml|>like someone came around complaining that gimp would not use all the ram available
14:42<vvas>ah, i love the smell of a freshly-laser-printed document
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14:42<vvas>probably full of ozone goodness
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14:42<patrikf>... or fine toner particles...
14:42<vvas>that too
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14:54<ml|>stew: that was a quick fix gj :)
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14:55<stew>autovaccum was killing the box before and I had to kill the postgres cluster. the stupid plugin author was too dumb to make the bot plugin pick up a new database connection
14:55<stew>(I'm the stupid plugin author)
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14:59<reeher>Cant figure this out. I have Samba configured to allow usershares, and have (according to testparm) everything configured correctly. While at the console, I can connect the the share. If I am sitting at a M$-XP system, when I attempt to connect, I am repeatedly asked for password by windows. I've tail -f'ed all of the logs, nothing registered. Again the user in question CAN log on to the 'Windows Share' when sitting at the console. Ideas why
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15:00<reeher>The M$ system in question can ping and FTP to teh server and successfully log in.
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15:03<dpkg><bja> Gateway: Your english is somewhat broken anc you be more specific
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15:08<danger_>Sup hommies
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15:22<ensy>Ciao a tutti!!!
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15:23<nextime>hello. After a dist-upgrade on sid, some (non official) repository i have in my sources.list won't work anymore, cause they have Packages.gz instead of bz2. Is there a way to make apt work in the "old" way accepting also .gz files?
15:25<nextime>ok it was cause the repository redirect 404 to another site
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15:31<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:31<tetino>I not speek englis
15:32<tetino>you speel italian??
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15:32<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:33<ml|>no /join #debian-it
15:33<tetino>mi capisci
15:33<tetino>ce capisci l italiano
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15:36<tetino>you listen tu music house??
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15:39<tetino>I like figa
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15:54<slind>Has anybody an advice for me regarding this thread: ... julian answered but i dont have a cd rom in this machine...
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16:12<Guest359>Hi. My FS (ext3) got corrupted. Now my /usr/bin is gone. How can I fix this? I see two theoretical options: 1. undedele filecatalog/directory & 2. repair with debsums. However, most tools have execs in /usr/bin which is gone....
16:12<Guest359>Now I am on knoppix
16:13<Guest359>any suggestions please?
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16:13<azeem>Guest359: reinstall the packages
16:13<dpkg>it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
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16:14<locklace>Guest359: manually get and unpack the dpkg and aptitude packages and go through the reinstall like we talked about
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16:20<MadChi>:O, my wireless chipset is no more listed in $lspci (debian lenny) i found it always in ubuntu. any guesses?
16:21<locklace>MadChi: what card/chipset do you have
16:21<stew>MadChi: do you get entries in lspci which are "unknown"? if so, try "update-pciids" as root?
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16:22<MadChi>atheros: some 42** chip (cant look it up^^ without lspci - the product name is airpace)
16:23<locklace>MadChi: is it recognised by the kernel
16:24<MadChi>stew: no unknown - tried update - still not listed.
16:24<MadChi>locklace: how do i test this? du i have to look in "proc" ?
16:25<locklace>MadChi: cat /proc/net/wireless
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16:26<MadChi>mm not sure... some stuff is listed, but i seems to be more like the "head" of a matrix without entries
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16:28<locklace>MadChi: so is your main concern the lspci output or do you actually want the card to work
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16:29<MadChi>it is fatal, if the device is not listed in lspci?
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16:29<oleg>hi people
16:30<Guest359>locklace, ty for the advice, I just downloaded a bunch of .debs and put them on an usb-stick, but.... How am I gonna install these? dpkg is not there, tar, bzip etc are about all in /usr/bin I think
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16:30<locklace>MadChi: no. upgrade your kernel:§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports
16:31<chealer>MadChi: what does lspci output?
16:31<locklace>Guest359: what's why i said to install dpkg and aptitude (and only those) manually, meaning get the .deb and untar it yourself (from knoppix, say)
16:31<locklace>Guest359: what's=that's
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16:33<MadChi>chealer: well i guess the normal stuff. things are well formed and listed as always, but my atheros card is missing (the length of the list seems to be as always too)
16:33<locklace>Guest359: also coreutils if you lost it too
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16:35<chealer>MadChi: I mean, please provide it
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16:35<MadChi>chealer: OF CAUSE
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16:36<MadChi>locklace: well please explain why you guess kernel-update is fixing my issue?
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16:37<chealer>MadChi: what other operating systems do you have installed?
16:38<MadChi>on this machine only debian at the moment
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16:38<locklace>MadChi: depends on whether there's already a driver for your card in the .26 kernel. if so, the update may or may not help. if not, you definitely need the newer one.
16:38<locklace>MadChi: anyway, there's no reason not to try the new kernel. your old kernel will still be there, so you can easily boot back into it if you want to for any reason.
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16:39<chealer>MadChi: what kind of card is it?
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16:39<MadChi>locklace: i just installed nvidea and VM on exactly this kernel
16:40<locklace>MadChi: so try the new one and if it doesn't help, just go back to the old one. it's as simple as picking it from the boot menu.
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16:41<MadChi>mm i give it a try soon, first
16:41<MadChi>chealer: AR2425 Atheros!
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16:42<chealer>MadChi: what is the card's form factor?
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16:43<locklace>MadChi: your driver is ath5k. there have been huge ath* driver updates between .26 and .30
16:43<MadChi>chealer: well i am not quiete sure, those slots used to be pci a while ago
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16:44<chealer>MadChi: when did the problem appear?
16:44<MadChi>locklace: thats true... are you saying there are reliable 30 kernels out there?
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16:45<chealer>locklace: the driver isn't the problem. his card is not detected.
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16:45<MadChi>chealer: on ubuntu 8.10 the card worked and was listed. i installed debian- and i am not quite sure if it was ever listed in debian...
16:45<locklace>MadChi: i gave you the link to the .29 lenny backport kernel. it's the first thing to try. i count 189 commits to ath5k between .26 and .30.
16:47<chealer>MadChi: how long ago was that?
16:48<MadChi>debian lenny is installed for about 7-10 days. basically everything seems to be working in order
16:48<chealer>MadChi: and how long since the card worked?
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16:49<MadChi>the card worked for about a 5 month period i guess
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16:51<chealer>MadChi: showing your dmesg might help. otherwise, do you have another OS at hand to test (in particular, Ubuntu 8.10)?
16:52<MadChi>chealer: i tried to find there something myself. the error seems not to be "trivial" named^^
16:53<MadChi>chealer: i may be able to use a liveCD
16:53<chealer>MadChi: yeah, if you can make sure another OS still detects the card that would help.
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16:53<locklace>MadChi: or you could just take ten seconds to download and install the backport kernel and see whether it works
16:54<MadChi>chealer: okay, so if the card is detected by another OS i will try to increase kernel version, right?
16:54<chealer>MadChi: yes, if it works with 2.6.27 I'd try 2.6.29
16:54<ranix>upgrade your kernel first
16:55<ranix>or downgrade as is appropriate
16:55<bremner>upgrading your kernel is not with peril, especially with intel graphics drivers
16:55<MadChi>ranix: what do you mean by downgrade?
16:55<ranix>I wasn't aware that term was ambiguous
16:55<locklace>bremner: not suggesting he try to run x. just install the package, boot to console, see if the ath5k works.
16:56<locklace>MadChi: anyway, feel free to do something else and waste more time if you want
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16:58<MadChi>locklace: well i chose stable for reasons of not wasteing time. and i fear the boomerang of this "kernel-trick"
16:58<MadChi>but i can indeed run both
16:58<MadChi>but first i have to verify the card is still "alive"
16:59<ranix>i fear the boomerang
17:00<MadChi>thx for all your help guys. (what do you mean by this?)
17:00<ranix>you should forget about the boomerang
17:01<ranix>and fear the hoop-snakes and dropbears
17:01<wopr>me ne vò, mi aspetta un bel pò di strada per tornare a casa...
17:01<locklace>!tell wopr about it
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17:03<MadChi>ranix: for me your language is amigious, i am sorry, the noun are not translateable by the engine of my choice... and the chunkwise translation does make serveral false-positives^^
17:04<ranix> hoop snake
17:04<ranix> dropbear
17:06<ranix>no pictures of live specimens have been caught, but there have been taxidermied hoopsnakes. Dropbears are more elusive, and we only have an artist's rendition
17:07<ranix> is made from the processed livers of dropbears
17:10<MadChi>:D ; locklace is there a more verbous help on upgradeing the kernel?
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17:11<locklace>MadChi: just download the .deb from the link i gave you and install it with dpkg -i. simple as that.
17:11<MadChi>yeah, is there a way to find out if the package will set up grub? (just curious)
17:12<locklace>it will
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17:37<kenyon>I made some metapackages that just depend on packages I want. But some of those have recommends that we don't want. What's a good way to prevent certain packages from being installed?
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17:39<Guest367>locklace, aptitude etc will not work: I get an error I saw before: invalid ELF header on various libs. Now on
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17:39<Guest367>my kernel is now fubar?
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17:40<ranix>invalid elf header?
17:40<ranix>are you using a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit system?
17:40<ranix>what kernel are you using
17:40<Kjetil>memory error ?
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17:41<Guest367>I was using stock 64bit kernel AMD64 on Lenny, did an security upgrade, installed new kenerl version, same time some disk errors
17:41<Guest367>now it's partytime
17:42<Guest367>/usr/bin became a file from 2005 instead a dir with all files etc
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17:43<Guest367>now I try to fix things using manual install of dpkg etc and then try to fix everything else
17:43<Guest367>but the system is not really working with me... :-(
17:43<miguel>im using compiz but im to stupid to google or find out how i can minimize a window with keyboard-shortcuts :(
17:43<miguel>can anyone help me pls?
17:45<adama>!confuse miguel
17:45<dpkg>No, them was my pineapple yesterday, miguel? Lederhosen of the Democracy of Swaziland with extra crabpaste.
17:45<eldowan>miguel: I would guess that would be a feature of your window manager. are you using gnome or kde or something else?
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17:47<eldowan>miguel: I would suggest that you use your google-fu and search to a keyboard shortcut to minimize in xfce, I don't think compiz would factor into that. But I have been wrong many times before...
17:48<eldowan>miguel: Look for maximize / unmaximize
17:49<eldowan>miguel: also on that page, scroll down and it will show you how to hide (minimize)
17:50<miguel>yah clear, my mistake was i was thinking its an compiz-issue
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17:50<miguel>thank you !
17:50<eldowan>miguel: no worries. hope you get the behavior you're looking for.
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17:52<madAdam>Hello, I can't write to /var/www/
17:52<madAdam>Please help
17:52<miguel>ah, my window-mnager is compiz and not xfce
17:52<miguel>xfce is just desktop, session etc
17:52<miguel>but not WINDOWS
17:53<miguel>aah , but i found it, thx!
17:53<Guest367>madAdam check permission (ls -sla), become root or something...
17:54<madAdam>You're alot of help
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17:56<locklace>madAdam: more help than you deserved for such a vague, dumb question
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17:57<locklace>!tell madAdam about permissions
17:57<locklace>!tell madAdam about errors
17:57<locklace>!tell madAdam about smart questions
17:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:59<madAdam>locklace, I just says I don't have access to write to that director
17:59<madAdam>"Permission denied"
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17:59<Guest367>locklace, any further ideas about my issue? Guess it is kernel related?
18:00<locklace>madAdam: come back after you've read everything dpkg told you and pointed you to
18:00<locklace>Guest367: for the love of god, man, choose a real nick if you're going to hang out in here
18:00<Guest367>madAdam, so read up on permissions on the net and check permission on that dir and check which user you are. Things are probably logical then.....
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18:01<locklace>Zath: the errors make me think you installed the package for the wrong architecture
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18:01<Llolipop> - very interesting ONLINE game ! Try it !
18:01<locklace>!lart Llolipop
18:01*dpkg --purges Llolipop
18:02<Zath>nope. Looks like that, I agree. But the .debs I downloaded are for amd64, my system is amd64 and my kernel used to be amd64. The apt lib was already on my system
18:02<Zath>so I am kind of starting to suspect that apt-get upgrade installed a wrong kernel somehow
18:02<locklace>Zath: did you also download/unpack the libapt package
18:02<Zath>which would be quite weird
18:02<Zath>I get the same errors on other libs that were already on my system
18:02<locklace>Zath: can you do that and try again, maybe you have problems with libraries as well as /usr/bin
18:03<Zath>hope not...
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18:03<Zath>I have 1 older kernel. maybe that one boots better
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18:03<locklace>Zath: frankly this is starting to get to the point where fixing things may be more painful than "back up and reinstall from scratch"
18:04<JamieNB>Hey guys wondering if you could help me add myself to a folders group
18:04<locklace>JamieNB: vigr
18:04<locklace>JamieNB: man vigr
18:04<Zath>there is no such things as folders. Folders are located in the minds of people in Redmond, not on Unix systems
18:05<tedp>anyone know where i can find a debian install disc (any debian release is fine) that has linux 2.6.28 or later?
18:05<locklace>JamieNB: or use usermod -a -G ... if you want to do it the ghetto way
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18:05<locklace>!tell tedp about kmuto
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18:06<tedp>good timing, i just remembered his name and found
18:06<tedp>thanks locklace
18:06<MadChi>well okay i installed Kernel-2.6.29 from backport to my system. but i got trouble enableing backport in my sources.list to install linux-headers for this kernel
18:06*tedp wants to install on ext4
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18:07<locklace>MadChi: did it detect your ath5k or not
18:07<MadChi>locklace: indeed it did
18:07<locklace>tedp: don't recommend it
18:07<locklace>MadChi: surprise!
18:07<Zath>locklace, thanks again for the help. I will continue tomorrow
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18:08<JamieNB>locklace, that vigr thing doesn't work. I get an eror message: vigr: Couldn't lock file: Interrupted system call
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18:08<locklace>JamieNB: are you running it as root
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18:09<locklace>JamieNB: anyway, you can just "usermod -a -G <thenewgroup> <theuser>" as root
18:09<miguel>where can i see the startuplog?
18:10<locklace>miguel: /var/log/dmesg for the kernel part. for the rest:
18:10<dpkg>bootlogd is, like, disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
18:10<madAdam>Okay so I have read over those files. So I need to add myself to a group which can write to /var/www/ ?
18:11<MadChi>-... well and now i added backports to aptitude. and i can find the package, but not install it. -t option and \unstable, result in filure
18:11<locklace>MadChi: it's not unstable, it's backports
18:11<locklace>!tell MadChi about backports
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18:13<dpkg>backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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18:15<tedp>ext4 was marked "complete and stable" in 2.6.28 so i'm willing to use it for a personal machine. i know i might need to jump through a few hoops to boot to it (unstable grub or ext3 /boot)
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18:16<locklace>tedp: up to you. it's not "complete and stable" though.
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18:16<interbird>tedp: ext4 is still young...
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18:18<interbird>It takes some time for a filesystem to mature; you can use it but don't trust your data with it; and possibly feed-back if stuff goes wrong
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18:21<miguel>how can i see where the REBOOTS are in my /var/log/syslog
18:22<miguel>coz my linux just crashed BADLY
18:22<miguel>MiguelsLair kernel: imklog 3.18.6, log source = /proc/kmsg started.?
18:22<tedp>confer with the `last` command
18:22<MadChi>mm what is wrong here?
18:22<locklace>miguel: search for the strings "restart" or "kmsg"
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18:25<interbird>MadChi: you have some packages broken?
18:26<MadChi>interbird: but this is the package i just want to install?
18:26<locklace>judd versions linux-kbuild-2.6.29
18:26<judd>locklace: linux-kbuild-2.6.29 -- sid: 2.6.29-1
18:27<interbird>MadChi: You have 47 upgrades pending, maybe resolve those first
18:28<themill>that's quite possibly just other packages
18:28<interbird>also, i admit i dunno what a -bpo kernel is
18:28<miguel>does this mean that my linux exited CLEANLY: Jun 13 00:03:56 MiguelsLair kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped. ?
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18:29<interbird>themill: thx, should have figured that; blushing
18:29<locklace>themill: seems kind of odd that the bpo kbuild package depends on something that's only in sid
18:29<themill>it smells a little like a snafu, yes
18:31<locklace>er, bpo headers package
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18:31<locklace>MadChi: anyway, as a workaround it's probably safe to manually download/install the kbuild package from sid
18:31<miguel>in my syslog there is really often an entry like that:
18:31<miguel>/var/log/syslog:Jun 12 23:35:31 MiguelsLair kernel: [22549.998959] CPU1: Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 965960)
18:31<miguel>do i need to bother about that?
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18:33<MadChi>after safe-upgrade the output just changes the number of pending upgrade (to 30)
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18:34<locklace>miguel: what kernel version and hardware
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18:34<miguel>Linux MiguelsLair 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 28 21:28:49 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
18:35<chealer>MadChi: the package is indeed broken (uninstallable) - 2.6.29 isn't ready for lenny
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18:35<miguel>and q6600 , 4gm ram, nvidia 8800
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18:35<locklace>miguel: if you have the lm-sensors package installed, paste output of "sensors"
18:36<ComradeHaz>Hi all, I get the message from dnsmasq that an address that should be assigned to a MAC is assiigned to another MAC. How do I make it forget this. Don't hurt me MoDaX, I know I've asked this at least 3 times before, I just can never remember!
18:36<themill>chealer: sounds like it should be pulled from bpo then.... it's been there for a couple of weeks now
18:36<edbian>Can any of you suggest a good backup utility that does automatic backups but gets rid of redundant backups?
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18:36<miguel>im installing the seosors
18:36<ComradeHaz>edbian: get backupninja
18:37<kenyon>edbian: I use rsnapshot, which does that using hard links
18:37<MadChi>mm manual download and dpkg -i fails because of dependancies (Info: depends on : linux-kbuild-2.6.29)
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18:37<ComradeHaz>it uses rdiff-backup, is essentially a tool for configuring jobs for it. Fantastic tool. Answer to all your backup dreams. Can be used locally despite the setup guide not appearing to offer it. Just change type to local destination after.
18:37<miguel>thats my sensors output >
18:37<locklace>MadChi: which package are you trying to dpkg -i
18:38<miguel>temp1: +40.0°C (crit = +75.0°C)
18:38<edbian>lmao "a silent flower blossom death strike to lost data."
18:39<MadChi>chealer, where did you get the info about the "uninstallable"?
18:39<locklace>MadChi: no, the suggestion was to dpkg -i the linux-kbuild-2.6.29 package from sid. it only depends on libc and you should then be able to install the linux-headers-2.6.29 from bpo
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18:39<miguel>sensors only gives me ONE temp
18:40<miguel>and that seems okay i guess
18:40<locklace>miguel: not much info there, you might have a real heat problem or just be hitting some kernel acpi/hw sensor issues. when/under what circumstances/how often does the problem/report happen? is your system shutting down because of it?
18:40<interbird>but is the sensor-software in touch with the hardware or just outputting a value ?
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18:41<interbird>can you throttle your amd cpu ?
18:41<miguel>my system crashed/was shut down for the first time today
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18:42<ComradeHaz>Hi all, I get the message from dnsmasq that an address that should be assigned to a MAC is assiigned to another MAC. How do I make it forget this old lease?
18:42<miguel>then i looked in the syslog and saw that theres hundereds of: above treshhold messages
18:42<locklace>miguel: what were you doing at the time (e.g. making use of graphics card?)
18:42<miguel>i was making a screenshot of what im doing to impress ppl how much linux is capable of
18:43<interbird>ComradeHaz: login to your router and religuish the lease(es)
18:43<miguel>wait, ill upload it somewwhere :)
18:43<locklace>miguel: haha. that probably explains it
18:43<interbird>ComradeHaz: MAC's should be unigue though
18:43<chealer>themill: yeah. this problem is common, it looks like this occurence wasn't reported
18:43<miguel>but the overheat-message in the syslog appears quite often
18:43<locklace>in general replacing nvidia gpus with blast furnaces results in a cooler system
18:43<miguel>without me experiencing any problems before
18:43<ComradeHaz>interbird: that's what I'm asking how to do. dns masq is my dhcp server
18:44<ComradeHaz>and yes, mac is unique, I'm trying to reuse the ip
18:44<chealer>MadChi: I figured out - the package depends on an unavailable package
18:44<locklace>welcome to 30 minutes ago
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18:45<miguel>linux crashed right after i made this screenshot:
18:46<edbian>What are the opt and srv folders used for??
18:46<miguel>4 instances of dosbox, with 4 versions of leisure suit larry, watching tv, and listening to music on my compizFusion desktop
18:46<interbird>ComradeHaz: Dunno about dns masq, sorry; but a mac is unique so it's strange for dns masq to tie an address to multiple macs; if it's a daemon try to restart it in /etc/init.d
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18:47<interbird>miguel: leisure suit larry; wow, that brings back some memories ! :-)
18:47<locklace>no kidding. c64 days
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18:48<miguel>i played it on my first pc
18:48<edbian>What are the /opt and /srv folders used for?
18:48<interbird>slap! when he tries to touch the ladies leg... (lol)
18:48<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
18:48<ComradeHaz>interbird: it's not. Once that IP should have been leased to one IP, now that machine has exploded, never releasing its IP
18:49<miguel>interbird, : the same like in real life ;)
18:49<miguel>anyway, i think the screenshot was worth , crashing my system ! :)
18:49<interbird>miguel: yeh, isn't life an adventure ? :-)
18:50<interbird>ComradeHaz: Can you get a "leases" list from dns masq ?
18:51<interbird>ComradeHaz: I don't know it, but there must be a way to relinguish the lease...
18:51<miguel>a new advenure every day
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18:55<interbird>ComradeHaz: AFAIK ip-addresses are coupled to mac's from the POV of a dhcp-server; resetting both should relinguish, unless there is some persistant storage; maybe in /etc ?
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18:56<ComradeHaz>yeah, there is somewhere, but I cannot remember where
18:56<ComradeHaz>grepping for it now, but not found it so far
18:56<interbird>grep for the MAC
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18:57<ComradeHaz>yer, I did
18:57<ComradeHaz>couldn't find it :/
18:57<ComradeHaz>trying for IP now
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19:01<MadChi>mm epic fail ^^ how to kernel-headers and source relate?
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19:01<interbird>ComradeHaz: You could do a dpkg -L dnsmasq to see which files belong to the package
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19:02<interbird>MadChi: headers are used for -dev packages, the kernel-source is for compiling your own kernel
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19:02<ComradeHaz>interbird: not a bad idea
19:02<MadChi>interbird: thx
19:04<MadChi>and 28 or 27 kernel headers are even more a mess, compared to 29?
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19:05<interbird>what do you mean by a mess?
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19:06<interbird>like linux 1.0 is a mess compared to 2.6 ?
19:06<MadChi>interbird: well i have problems finding the correct package for 2.6.29 and even cant find any promising package for the other two
19:07<locklace>MadChi: did you dpkg -i the linux-kbuild-2.6.29 package from sid or not
19:07<interbird>MadChi: but i think you are mixing apples and pears and don't know what you are doing
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19:09<interbird>kernel is kernel and userland is userland
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19:10<locklace>MadChi: giving up on you in 30 seconds
19:10<MadChi>why? because i dont spam on you?
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19:10<locklace>because you aren't answering simple yes/no questions, for one
19:11<MadChi>because it isnt simple
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19:11<interbird>actually, it is
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19:12<MadChi>i installed "a" linux-kbuild sid package... what turned out to be not accepted by the system ( because when trying to install headers, the header package did not find any kbuild (it said))
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19:12<ComradeHaz>This is doing my head in
19:12<ComradeHaz>I can't find this bloody thing any where :(
19:12<interbird>MadChi: what does sid stand for ?
19:12<interbird>what is sid?
19:13<interbird>100% or less ?
19:13<MadChi>a project name in debian?
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19:13<locklace>MadChi: so what does "dpkg -l | grep kbuild" return
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19:14<interbird>ComradeHaz: ps -ef|grep masq shows you a running process?
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19:15<MadChi>infrastructures for 2.6.26 and 2.6.29 were found - as well as a make-file framework
19:15<ComradeHaz>that'll not help, interbird
19:15<ComradeHaz>I need to find this file, delete a line, and I'm done
19:16<ComradeHaz>pretty sure MoDaX know where it is
19:16<ComradeHaz>guess he's not about though
19:16<interbird>MadChi: uname -a is your running kernel
19:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 403] by debhelper
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19:17<MadChi>confirmed, still i need both for now
19:17<interbird>ComradeHaz: hmm, it get's difficult if you have a problem with software that you cannot find...
19:18<ComradeHaz>well, I know the software, it's dnsmasq.
19:18<ComradeHaz>just where it writes out its current lease info i've no idea
19:18<interbird>uninstall it
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19:18<interbird>then it must release :-)
19:18<ComradeHaz>it doesn't delete this file :D
19:19<ComradeHaz>purge might
19:19<ComradeHaz>not really an ideal solution though :D
19:19<interbird>ComradeHaz: qemu?
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19:20<interbird>ComradeHaz: or virtualbox; create a simple vm; handcraft the mac; trace it to the dhcp offer; traceroute or whatever; you say you don't know what hads-out the ip-addresses....
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19:21<ComradeHaz>I know what hands it out
19:21<ComradeHaz>I know the machine that hands it out
19:21<ComradeHaz>I just don't know where this machine has remembered what it's handed out
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19:22<ComradeHaz>I need to make it 'forget' one of these leases
19:22<interbird>/var ?
19:22<ComradeHaz>because the machine that had it blew up
19:22<ComradeHaz>greped it for the mac, no findy
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19:23<interbird>and dpkg -L did not tell you about what files are part of it and ps does not show a process?
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19:24<interbird>it must be running on that box...
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19:24<interbird>ComradeHaz: maybe lsof helps...
19:24<interbird>man lsof
19:25<interbird>lsof|grep -i mas
19:25<interbird>lsof|grep -i "MAC"
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19:26<ComradeHaz>I dunno either
19:27<interbird>i wipe stuff that does not work for me
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19:27<ComradeHaz>normally works very well
19:28<interbird>normally does not exist
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19:30<MadChi>should linux-headers-2.6.29-2-686 (bananas) work with 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 (apples)?
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19:32<themill>using the bpo package would be preferable
19:32<locklace>provided it exists. :)
19:32<themill>judd versions linux-headers-2.6.29-bpo.2-686
19:32<judd>themill: linux-headers-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.29-5~bpo50+1
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19:32<themill>it's only the kbuild package that doesn't... we covered that about an hour ago
19:32<locklace>wait, the headers package is fine, it's the kbuild package that's missing
19:33<locklace>right. that's why i can't figure out why he didn't just do what was suggested at that time
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19:34<tedp>ComradeHaz: ^
19:34<interbird>ComradeHaz: tedp
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19:36<ComradeHaz>tedp: I love you
19:36<ComradeHaz>wtf is it doing over there :D
19:36<interbird>var is var
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19:37*interbird 01:22 /var ?
19:37<ComradeHaz>I greped it
19:38<interbird>to grepis toknow :-)
19:38<ComradeHaz>it didn't find it for some reason
19:38<ComradeHaz>buggered if I know why
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19:38<ComradeHaz>uh, no
19:38<ComradeHaz>why do I need that?
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19:39<interbird>case insensitive; like looking for and AC-BC... mac? dunno
19:39<ComradeHaz>that'd be it
19:40<bja>!qotd 240
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19:41<bja>!qotd 240
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19:42<themill>leave out the space
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19:44<interbird>day 240 ?
19:44<bja>hmm guess someone erased it :(
19:44<interbird>must be dpkg...
19:44<bja>interbird: no number 240
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19:44<locklace>it's just ! brokenness
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19:44<locklace>dpkg: qotd240
19:44<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, locklace
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19:44<dpkg><Brian_L> cd #debian-64
19:44<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 240 (2009-05-15).
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19:45<interbird>hmm, today seems to be there :-)
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19:45<dpkg><toggle> by the way I don't have man installed..
19:46<themill>looks like someone couldn't count when it was at 239
19:46<interbird>now there is some truth...
19:46<themill>!factinfo qotd241
19:46<dpkg>qotd241 -- created by Supaplex <~supaplex@> at Thu Jun 4 08:18:29 2009 (8 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by themill, 50s ago.
19:46*themill blames Supaplex
19:46<interbird>should think 255 would be the barrier...
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19:47<interbird>or is it sparse? ...
19:48<locklace>themill: or it was that high and then earlier ones got erased
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19:50<interbird>what order is that?
19:50<interbird>by time ?
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19:55<locklace>!start a nuclear war
19:55<dpkg>SHALL WE PLAY A GAME?
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19:55<ranix>dpkg: global thermonuclear war
19:55<dpkg>how about a nice game of chess?
19:55<interbird> qotd240: all days in debian are sundays
19:56<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
19:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
19:57<jmc>"love, love is a verb"
19:58<jmc>I'd better stop listening to Teardrop :|
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20:02<interbird>hmm, thought this iceweasel came all alone, after the fight with the fox; didn't know it had brothers and sisters... (maybe lookin' trough a Prism though..)
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20:10<ircleuser>hello, noob here with debian question
20:11<interbird>what still irritates me is...
20:11<interbird>sometimes when i reboot debian...
20:11<interbird>x hangs
20:11<ml|>hmm, how so
20:12<interbird>cpu get's eaten and all shit hangs, also console
20:13<interbird>anyone has any idea? it's intel 85x video on laptop
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20:13<jmc>interbird: it's Satan
20:13<jmc>call an exorcist
20:13<ircleuser>I set the login to the chooser thinking it would give me a list of users at login but it asks for a remote server instead.
20:13<ml|>there is a momentary pause will X starts
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20:14<ircleuser>Now it flashes between a terminal command line screen and the chooser screen
20:14<okayplayer>i've been researching switching to the tv output from using the xrandr command but cant seem how to do a few things. can anyone help? using an ati mobility 9600
20:14<interbird>ircleuser: gdm? kdm? how do you set it ?
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20:14<bja>ircleuser: that sounds like xdmcp
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20:15<ircleuser>I can manage to login on the terminal screen, I'm looking for commands to switch the login screen back to the username/pwd prompt
20:16<interbird>ircleuser: /etc/X11/display-manager set gdm or kdm to console
20:16<ircleuser>or at least a pointer to where to rtfm
20:16<ircleuser>ahh thanks, will try that
20:17<interbird>ircleuser: ^
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20:20<interbird>ml|: good evening; please don't ask for my problems otherwise locklace will respond :-)
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20:20<ml|>lmao !!!
20:20<ml|>hello btw :)
20:20<interbird>hello 2
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20:21<bja>interbird: hello 3
20:22<interbird>bja: you know 255 is the end :-)
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20:23<dpkg>from memory, qotd240 is < stew> autovaccum was killing the box before and I had to kill the postgres cluster. the stupid plugin author was too dumb to make the bot plugin pick up a new database connection, < stew> (I'm the stupid plugin author)
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20:24<interbird>!beer ml|
20:24*dpkg pours a pint of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for ml|
20:24<ml|>interbird: thanks :)
20:24<interbird>stew get's old...
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20:26<bja>interbird: I didn't know,
20:26<soul>who are you
20:26<adama>he is you, from the future
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20:27<ml|>who are you?
20:27<bja>adama: did you put the time machine on ffwd
20:27<soul>i dont stand weri well english and ubuntu
20:27<interbird>soul: i am esr, your worst nightmare
20:28<soul>fuck you
20:28<adama>no, soul in the future put in on frev and changed his name to ml|
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20:28<ml|>adama: :P hehe
20:28<bja>soul: tranquilo hombre es una broma
20:28<interbird>soul: it was meant friendly; no offence meant
20:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:28<ml|>oh look my clone :)
20:28<ml>soy nuevo en esto
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20:30<no>no entiendo nada
20:30<interbird>all that morphing....
20:30<paggas>i happened to notice, some devices under /dev (e.g. all under /dev/snd) have their permissions listed as e.g. crw-rw----+ with ls -l, does anyone know what that extra + means?
20:30<bja>no: /j #debian-es
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20:31<interbird>paggas: acl's
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20:32<interbird>paggas: look at attr and acl; apt-get search attr and apt-get search acl; also you can look into suid and sticky
20:33<adb>hitachi: stop it
20:33<paggas>interbird: so it means that there are extra permissions defined via acls, and i have to run another utility to see them?
20:33<interbird>hitachi: please don't
20:33<hitachi>ok sorry
20:33<interbird>paggas: yes
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20:34<interbird>paggas: getfactl and getattr
20:34<ml|>hitachi: plz /j #debian-es
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20:35<paggas>interbird: thanks :)
20:35<interbird>paggas: what filesystem are you using and how is it mounted? the + says it has extra stuff besides rxw
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20:35<paggas>interbird: it's udev for /dev
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20:36<interbird>paggas: udev should not use acls AFAIK; apt-get install attr acl and then getacl -d might tell you more
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20:37<interbird>pagas: i have no + in my /dev
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20:38<interbird>pagas: mount -l shows your mounted systems; cat /etc/fstab shows the stuff that get's mounted at boot
20:40<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
20:40<paggas>interbird: well, i have udev on /dev with rw,mode=0755 (can't remember if i tweaked anything :D)
20:40<ml|>interbird: so did you fix your ntp issue?
20:40*ml| runs
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20:42<interbird>paggas: extended attributes and acl's are not part of the normal permissions; +x indicates acls or xattributes, which is strange for /dev (udev)
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20:43<interbird>paggas: apt-get install attr acls and getfattr or getacl to find out more; 0755 is normal permissions...
20:43<interbird>ml|: no, i was serious last time; i truly like it
20:44<ml|>interbird: ok i will never bring that up sry
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20:44<paggas>interbird: all files under /dev/snd are user::rw-; group::rw-; mask::rw-; other::---
20:44<paggas>interbird: and mode 660
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20:46<interbird>paggas: that looks ok, but i did not grasp you have a problem?
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20:46<paggas>interbird: i didn't say i have a problem :D just curious :)
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20:47<interbird>ml|: pls don't, ll is watching :-)
20:48<ml|>interbird: yes ok hehe :)
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20:50<interbird>paggas: it is possible that the perms with getfacl look as if there are no acls; it is possible that they were set sometime in the past; this depends on the filesystem in use; it's a bit strange for /dev and the more when udev is used, since this FS get's built at boot and does not use acls or xattrs
20:50<ml|>!beer interbird
20:50*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Yuengling Lager for interbird
20:50*interbird sokes it up
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20:52<amphi_>he osmosed it?
20:52<paggas>interbird: anyway, i might check it out later :)
20:52<ml|>amphi_: sup
20:53<amphi_>not much; with belly full and vacant mind, I'm about to go to bed
20:53<ml|>hehe gn
20:54<interbird>paggas: + is strange in a temp-fs
20:54<paggas>interbird: well, you said that the acls are not stored in the filesystem? then there probably is some script that sets them up?
20:55<interbird>paggas: you mat have some strange stuff in /etc/udev/* or .rules there... dunno
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20:57<interbird>paggas: i did not say that; acls and xattrs *are* stored in the fs; but the wat how depends on the fs; but /dev on kernels after devfs are a temp-fs and do not use these attributes; correct me if i'm wrong anyone...
20:58<paggas>interbird: well, maybe it's some alsa trick then? :)
20:59<interbird>paggas: can you put just the ls -la line with the file/device that has the + here ?
21:00<paggas>interbird: $ ls -l /dev/snd/controlC0 \n crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 0 2009-06-03 19:20 /dev/snd/controlC0
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21:01<interbird>paggas: hmmm, now you say. i have that too; i was only looking in /dev; looking into it; monumento...
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21:02<paggas>interbird: hah
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21:02<paggas>interbird: maybe also try $ ls -l /dev|grep -Ei \\+ :D
21:03<ml|>no + here
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21:05<interbird>paggas: i have no explanation, but my mount says: udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755); i don't know about the way udev uses tmpfs internals and it seems tmpfs supports acls/xattrs. I have no explanation and can only say your question makes sense
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21:06<paggas>interbird: looks like a driver thing, also happens with my sata dvd
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21:10<interbird>paggas: possibly; my guess is acls/xattrs are implemented in tmpfs and also seem to be used; which i think is a good thing. You made me wonder about this and i am interested in this too, so i guess it's time for "use the source"...
21:10<interbird>(kernel source)
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21:11<interbird>or is it a bug in ls ?
21:12<paggas>infernix: o god
21:12<interbird>wrong nick
21:13<interbird>this tab-completion...
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21:17<interbird>honesty is a virtue and not something to be ashamed of
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22:08<sunoano> I have a question about the mailing lists. I have subscribed to and now I get all mails send to my email address. Thing is, I write and read emails via GMANE and thus I don't want to get mails send to my email address again. How do I stay subscribed but disable mail delivery?
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22:16<kmap>sunoano: Just unsubscribe. You don't need to be subscribed to post to the list.
22:16<kmap>sunoano: Anobody can post, no need to subscribe, to most Debian lists.
22:17<sunoano>kmap: ah, I see
22:17<sunoano>hehe :-)
22:17<sunoano>good to know
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22:26<interbird>1 out of 3 times, when i reboot, X hangs. CPU get's eaten and no console can be switched to. Using intel 855GM on laptop. Anyone has the same prob? Any suggestions anyone ?
22:27<interbird>(lenny b.t.w.)
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22:34<interbird>(sorry, using squeeze; xorg version: 1:7.3+18) but it did this from lenny.
22:35<Daenyathos>Hey. I have a somewhat old machine (a i1586). Any version of linux workable on it?
22:35<interbird>depends on what you define as workable
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22:35<interbird>how much ram ?
22:36<Daenyathos>It'll run...? 2 gigs of ram. Sadly, it's a celeron 2.3ghz
22:36<Daenyathos>Ubuntu 8.04 LTS wont run, while Xubuntu seems to, but never loads (from live CD).
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22:37<interbird>what stops 8.04 on this box ?
22:37<Daenyathos>It says it does not find an x86 or x64 processor on it.
22:38<interbird>does any live cd boot? (ubuntu,knoppix,solaris,other?)
22:38<krazykit>that's hardly an old machine
22:39<krazykit>at least comparitively
22:39<Daenyathos>I haven't tried others. Forgot some of their names.
22:39<interbird>i agree
22:39<interbird>not old
22:39<Daenyathos>Thanks. lol I wasn't sure, to be honest.
22:39<interbird>try some live cd's
22:41<interbird>the hardware is not "old", maybe there is some prob with the video or other; trying some live cd's will get you closer to the problem
22:41<Daenyathos>I will. Thanks a lot. I'm downloading knoppix right now, and will have Solaris join it.
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22:42<chealer>Daenyathos: we can only speak for Debian, but I don't see why Debian wouldn't work on it.
22:42<Daenyathos>Could it be that it has an old CD-rom drive? Does any of these make a bootable flash drive?
22:42<interbird>one cd that i use is knoppix 5.11; not the new one; sometimes older is "better"
22:43<chealer>Daenyathos: this is a Debian support channel. ask wherever appropriate for other distributions.
22:43<interbird>when there is no crowd, others are supported too
22:44<krazykit>i wouldn't take advice on a different distro's channel though.
22:45<Daenyathos>Alright. Sorry. Any debian-based linux i should look into for it?
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22:45<krazykit>i suggest debian
22:45<chealer>Daenyathos: there is no reason to. Debian should be fine
22:46*interbird finds chealer a bit strict but possibly correct; anyway, this channel ames to solve; whatever (but .deb is preferred)
22:46<Daenyathos>Alright. Thanks a lot for your help.
22:46<interbird>has a desires to
22:47<ml|>debian works great here on an old T21 laptop P3 1200mghz :)
22:47<interbird>bs s
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22:48<interbird>ml|: so does freedos, not? :-)
22:48<interbird>one hell of a job also; you must give them credit...
22:49<Daenyathos>Which architecture should i get? I dont see the i1586
22:49<interbird>what is your cpu ?
22:49<Daenyathos>Intel Celeron 2.3ghz
22:49<ml|>1386 is fine i'd use netinst
22:49<chealer>Daenyathos: there is no such think as i1586. use i386
22:50<Daenyathos>Sorry. ^^;
22:50<ml|>dpkg tell Daenyathos about install debian
22:51<interbird>Daenyathos: go with i386; later you can "refine" after you understand the difference
22:51<ml|>dpkg tell Daenyathos about install guide
22:51<ml|>dpkg tell Daenyathos about netinst
22:51<ml|>that should help you
22:52<Daenyathos>Alright. I apologize. lol I work with these machines all day practically. XD
22:52<ml|>Daenyathos: read msg from dpkg
22:53<Daenyathos>Thank you.
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22:55<ml|>Daenyathos: there are debian live cd's if you wanna try it out
22:57<Daenyathos>I think i may try a flash drive... I dont know if i trust the CD drive
22:57<interbird>but they are not as "diagnostic" as a knoppix cd; they are nice, but not for problem-solving; i think...
22:57<ml|>dpkg tell Daenyathos about usb install
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22:58<Daenyathos>I asked dpkg about it already. lol
22:58<interbird>no prob to install debian on a usb drive; but booting on different systems can pose problems, depending on the system
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22:58<ml|>interbird: there is debian live rescue cd or grml
22:59<ml|>Daenyathos: oops sry
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22:59<Daenyathos>Im pretty sure that this system will boot from a flash drive... or i can hope.
22:59<Daenyathos>It's fine. I needed the refresher course.
22:59<Daenyathos>So, all it is giving me is a bunch of manifest files...?
22:59<interbird>ml|: i know, but is does not have the hardware-discovery like knoppix has; so to troubleshoot stuff, it's not an option imho
23:00<ml|>Daenyathos: check the bios, but with what you have it is possible
23:01<ml|>interbird: yeah maybe for debian live rescue cd, but grml shouls be just fine
23:01<Daenyathos>All i need for it to install is the manifest files?
23:01<ml|>manifest files?
23:02<Daenyathos>Yeah. I use the other images and go with 1386. it links to me to four files...?
23:02<interbird>ml|: i don't find the debian live cd a good rescue cd
23:02<Daenyathos>Could i take the netinst CD image and just put that on the flash drive?
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23:03<interbird>there are debian images for flash
23:03<jidm>hi. was having troubles with compiz. I was not seeing any window decoration. After playing a little, i found the problem was solved when removed compizconfig-settings-manager. But i have no beauty compiz functionality right now.
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23:03<ml|>Daenyathos: it should be just fine, but i have never done it
23:03<jidm>i'm on Debian Testing, btw
23:03<badeagle>hi, i'm trying to compile the latest glib, gtk+, and glade. I've compiled and installed glib, but the configure script for gtk+ is warnning me that pkg-config returned version 2.20.3 of glib but 2.16.6 was found and that I should remove it. How do I do that?
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23:04<ml|>interbird: ok, but there is one called standard rescue cd, not just live cd
23:05<interbird>jidm: what are you on? lenny? squeeze? because if you are on squeeze(tesing) things get upgraded; do you use the latest ?
23:05<ml|>dpkg: tell jidm about compiz
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23:05<jidm>interbird: im on Testing
23:05<ml|>jidm: you also ask in ... #compiz on
23:05<jidm>(squeeze, sorry)
23:06<jidm>thks m1|
23:06<Daenyathos>I dont seem to be finding the image for a flash drive...
23:06<interbird>ml|: still it does not compare to something like knoppix (5.11); it's for use for a fsck'd deb-install maybe, but for general trouble-shooting it's of no use
23:07<ml|>i've used it in the past for basic things and has worked fine for me
23:08<interbird>jidm: you might want to reset compiz to it's default settings; your old settings may be lost; sorry for that, but as the name says: "testing"
23:08<ml|>but yes knoppix does alot more out of the box, you check out grml if you haven't
23:08<interbird>jidm: but you can get it to work again the way it worked
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23:09<jidm>interbird: i don't care. I would like to restart configurations back. I know compiz had recently upgraded to 70.7.x to 0.8.x
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23:10<jidm>interbird: what should i delete? .config folder on my home folder?
23:10<jidm>interbird: what should i delete? .compiz folder on my home folder?
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23:11<interbird>jidm: start compiz settings and revert to default settings; that will wipe old settings maybe; worked for me
23:11<jidm>interbird: Thanks for that!!
23:11<interbird>jidm: also, install fusion-icon or something; this is a little applet to control compiz-fusion
23:12<interbird>compiz-settings are by default stored in gconf on gnome
23:13<interbird>gconf-editor is the way to manipulate to detail
23:13<jidm>interbird many thanks. I'll restart X now.
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23:15<chealer>badeagle: if you don't mind, what are you trying to do?
23:16<ml|>Daenyathos: usb image ... but read the install guide
23:16<chealer>Daenyathos: no, you can't
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23:17<badeagle>chealer, I'm trying to get glade3.6 up and running, and apparently need to upgrade gtk
23:17<ml|>chealer: so netinst iso is no good to use with usb install
23:18<chealer>ml|: it may be usable, but you don't "just put that on the drive"
23:18<interbird>glade 3.6?
23:19<interbird>you need that specifically ?
23:19<badeagle>yes, only the latest version supports making GTKBuilder files
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23:19<chealer>badeagle: which Debian suite do you use?
23:19<ml|>Daenyathos: you can also try
23:20<badeagle>the glade package in the repo is a 3.4
23:20<ml|>chealer: ok, it might work with unetbootin
23:21<chealer>badeagle: are you compiling from Debian source?
23:21<badeagle>chealer: i downloaded the sources from
23:21<chealer>badeagle: why?
23:21<badeagle>only place i know to go for it
23:22<interbird>badeagle: apt-get source ?
23:22<Daenyathos>Thanks for the help!
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23:22<interbird>badeagle: as root: apt-get build-dep <package>
23:23<badeagle>the vesions that apt-get gives are too old, for example glib 2.16.... i nead 2.20
23:23<interbird>ok, but then you are out of debian
23:23<interbird>or at least, testing and maybe sid
23:24<badeagle>you mean something may be wrong with my sources list?
23:25<interbird>what are you trying to compile?
23:25<interbird>are those sources "debian"
23:25<badeagle>at the moment gtk+2.0 (version 2.16.2)
23:25<interbird>are those sources "debian"
23:25<badeagle>uhm, no generic i think, just the sources avail for download at
23:25<interbird>or from the gnome site ?
23:26<badeagle>yes, the gnome site
23:26<interbird>chealer: help me to explain this
23:26<badeagle>they haven't been touched by debian package maintainers
23:26<chealer>interbird: explain what?
23:27<interbird>chealer: that compiling from generic source is not a trivial matter?
23:28<chealer>well. there's a reason why Debian packages exist. if you have no good reason to compile from upstream source, you'd better use Debianized source.
23:29<chealer>badeagle: if you really want to remove glib 2.16, remove all libglib* packages
23:29<interbird>badeagle: that's what i meant to say; thx chealer
23:29<badeagle>i'll try thta chealer, thx
23:30<badeagle>the difference between glade 3.4 (debian package) and 3.6 is phenominal
23:30<badeagle>so i'mma keep truckin at it
23:30<interbird>cool; but i'll wait for it...
23:30<badeagle>i recently switched from ubuntu which had 3.6 already packaged
23:31<interbird>untill it's in the repo (i'm a bit scared :-)
23:31<badeagle>yeah removing things is scary
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23:32<ml|>judd: versions glade
23:32<judd>ml|: glade -- etch: 2.12.1-7 lenny: 3.4.5-3 squeeze: 3.4.5-3 sid: 3.6.3-1
23:33<ml|>badeagle: are you on testing?
23:33<badeagle>no, maybe i should be tho :P
23:33<ml|>badeagle: try
23:33<ml|>might be there
23:34<ml|>it's in sid
23:34<interbird>he's on sid
23:34<ml|>oh well install it
23:34<ml|>does say 3.6
23:35<drakeman>hey, good evening ml|
23:36<ml|>drakeman: hello
23:36<badeagle>brb need to pee
23:36<drakeman>ml|, hello, how r u man!
23:36<ml|>lol no need to share ;)
23:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 391] by debhelper
23:37<ml|>cool and you
23:37<drakeman>ml|, fine! !!
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23:38<badeagle>ok.. sid... that's the testing version?
23:39<drakeman>testing is testing, sid is sid :D
23:39<drakeman>testing = squeeze.
23:39<drakeman>sid = ehh dont know jeje
23:39<drakeman>stable = lenny.
23:39<interbird>badeagle: so what is this advantage of having GTKBuilder? Is this something i want to know about ?
23:40<ml|>badeagle: you are on sid?
23:41<badeagle>GTKBuilder is a glade-like API for creating GTK widgets from XML, it is native and including in GTK since the developers realized glade should be part of the GTK project instead of separate
23:41<ml|>badeagle: lsb_release -a
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23:42<conradm>i have aDell Wireless 1397 802.11b/g Half Mini Card
23:42<badeagle>it's a libglade replacement and included in GTK now, the glade app (3.6+) now supports building GtkBuilder interfaces
23:42<conradm>my debian has an issue with the wireless and nic card
23:42<conradm>I have the 'etch' release
23:43<badeagle>interbird: basicly libglade is deprecated and developers should use gtkbuilder
23:44<interbird>badeagle: maybe i'm dumb, but weren't glade files already xml? Is this some major change ?
23:44<badeagle>ml|: says i'm on 5.0.1 (lenny)
23:45<ml|>conradm: might want to upgrade to lenny, in a few months etch will not supported
23:45<badeagle>interbird, there are minor difference between a gtkbuilder xml and a glade xml file
23:45<ml|>badeagle: have you used
23:45<badeagle>ml|, no i had no idea what that is
23:45<ml|>dpkg: tell badeagle about bpo
23:46<conradm>so any ideas guys
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23:46<badeagle>ml|, ooh, ty
23:46<ml|>badeagle: it might be there, if it's there then you won't have too compile it your self
23:46<interbird>conradm: do you know what wireless card you use ?
23:47<conradm>Dell Wireless 1397 802.11b/g Half Mini Card
23:47<conradm>i just mentioned it
23:47<interbird>conradm: can you paste the line from lspci for the card here? just the line ?
23:49<chealer>ml|: it's not in backports.
23:50<ml|>was worth a shot
23:50<badeagle>glade_3.4.5-3_i386.deb is what i got from backports
23:50<badeagle>too old
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23:50<badeagle>rofl, i need to l2package and help out or something :P
23:50<interbird>please... :-)
23:51<ml|>badeagle: is this the only app you want that's not on lenny?
23:52<badeagle>yeah :P
23:52<interbird>badeagle knows his stuff; he just wants too much too soon :-)
23:52<badeagle>i know some of my stuff, i wing it a lot
23:53<interbird>the last is the prob
23:53<ml|>oh was going to suggest you move to testing, and install it from sid but for one app, well that's up to you
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23:55<badeagle>well, i like to develope desktop applications with gtk, which is pretty much all i do. and i'm trying to learn what i need to be a package maintainer, so moving to testing sounds good to me
23:55<ml|>in that case it might be better for you
23:55<interbird>sounds good, but don't leave us in the dust...
23:56<ml|>dpkg tell badeagle lenny->squeeze
23:56<interbird>are you going to be incompatible ?
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23:56<ml|>dpkg tell badeagle squeeze
23:56<ml|>dpkg tell badeagle about lenny->squeeze
23:56<ml|>dpkg tell badeagle about squeeze
23:57<Yonut27>Hi, I am interested in adding to my gnomes/nautilus right click menu. I have the nautilus-actions installed, and can add things successfully. But I have a bunch of scripts I want to add, and would like to create a submenu on the right click... Is this possible, and how ?!?
23:58<interbird>conradm: ?
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23:58*badeagle looks around.....
23:58<interbird>Yonut27: templates
23:59<Yonut27>ty will check that out
23:59<ml|>badeagle: if you decide to move take a look at this ...
23:59<badeagle>interbird: i suppose using a newer gtk version would make my apps incompatible with lenny
23:59<interbird>Yonut27: for files; nautilus actions for others
23:59<ml|>then you can install that version of glade
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