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00:00<Yonut27>no, they have to be actions, as I am passing the currentdirrecoty it was clicked in as an argument to the scripts
00:00<interbird>badeagle: for now yes; not for the future; but i don't know if the best way to getting to learn gtk is to use the latest/greatest...
00:01<Yonut27>* current directory
00:01<ml|>badeagle: another option is to backport glade yourself and stay with lenny
00:01<badeagle>interbird, i already know gtk, was using the latest on ubuntu. not great with linux in general yet though.
00:01<interbird>badeagle: gtk is just a toolkit; every special thing you use of it will make your software less portable
00:03<badeagle>good point, just got company at the door, i will reconsider trying to ride the front of every wave :P thx for advice and stuff
00:03<interbird>badeagle: try to think of a gui and implement it in gtk, gt, swt, wat, swing, dunno; a gui is just a gui; separate your engine from it
00:05<Yonut27>ok, let me ask another way... Is there a way to group nautilus actions into submenus?
00:05<ml|>Yonut27: maybe ask in ... #gnome-debian on
00:06<interbird>Nautilus actions do not need sub-menus
00:06<Yonut27>They do if you have about 20 actions of a desired folder
00:06<interbird>then you don't understand the concept
00:07<interbird>the concept is a filter
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00:07<interbird>and 20 actions for a sinle item is just plain wrong by default
00:08<Yonut27>Well it is becasue I am writing a script for transcoding FLACs to mp3 automatically. But I don't want a terminal window always poping up asking me for the extra argument. This way I don't need my keyboard at all to select the user defined argument, I can just go to the submenu and choose it.
00:09<Yonut27>the 20 actions go to the same script, but with an extra argument that differs between them
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00:09<interbird>create a "dropper" desktop icon than handles the files thrown on it
00:10<interbird>look at the documentation how nautilus handles such stuff; it's now that different from $@
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00:11<Yonut27>k, checking now. ty
00:12<interbird>to experiment is to learn
00:12<interbird>there are no answers
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00:18<joe__>anyone here know how to get flash working? ive read several howtos and cant seem to get it
00:19<ml|>dpkg: tell joe__ about flash
00:19<joe__>the installer script dont work
00:19<joe__>i tried fixing it
00:19<interbird>joe__: lenny? testing ?
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00:19<ml|>dpkg: tell joe__ about adobe flash
00:19<ml|>dpkg: tell joe__ about dmm
00:21<ml|>joe__: if you want to know about free flash /msg dpkg gnash or swfdec
00:21<joe__>no, i got both of the free ones installed and working
00:21<joe__>and they dont work good
00:21<joe__>they dont play lots of diff videos
00:22<interbird>joe__: and in iceweasel you can see what is installed by typing: about: And you can also change your prefered decoder somewhere in the settings...
00:22<joe__>might be because this machine doesnt have a sound card
00:22<ml|>joe__: ok use abode flash, but you must get rid of whatever you have installed noe
00:22<joe__>yeah, didnt find that, but, i figured out if i only have one installed, thats the one it will use
00:22<joe__>yeah they are gone
00:22<joe__>swfdec and gnash are gone
00:22<joe__>right now it is saying no plugin and those two packages unistalled anyway
00:23<ml|>follow dpkg instructions for adobe flash
00:23<joe__>i already did the ones for the one
00:23<joe__>and after i did, it didnt work
00:24<joe__>should i do that one again?
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00:24<ml|>why didn't it work?
00:24<joe__> apt-get -t etch-backports install flashplugin-nonfree
00:24<interbird>check /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins -- that's where the are
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00:24<interbird>or not
00:24<joe__>yeah i copied it to that folder
00:24<joe__>even after
00:25<joe__>i dont know why it didnt work
00:25<joe__>i will do it again one sec
00:25<interbird>restarted the browser?
00:25<joe__>many times
00:26<joe__>where do i tell mozilla what decoder to use
00:26<joe__>because the file is there
00:26<ml|>but why did you cp anytthing apt-get does that for you
00:26<interbird>strange this flash stuff poses so many problems...
00:26<joe__>cuz i did apt-get first, and after it didnt work i investigated
00:26<joe__>and downloaded a copy of the .tar.gz
00:26<joe__>opened it it had the library .so file and the installer script
00:26<joe__>tried the installer script, and it wasnt having it
00:26<ml|>at each try did you remove the one before
00:27<joe__>the installer script wouldnt work cuz it said wrong os
00:27<joe__>said debian x86-64 not supported
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00:27<joe__>i looked in the script and seen what the installer was doing
00:28<interbird>joe__: iceweasel ?
00:28<joe__>all it was doing was copying that file to the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ folder
00:28<ml|>hmmm dunno just works here after installing from dmm
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00:28<interbird>joe__: go to Edit->Preferences
00:28<interbird>joe__: go to tab Applications
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00:28<joe__>yeah im there
00:29<joe__>i was here earlier lookinbg
00:29<joe__>there is no content type for flash video right now
00:29<interbird>joe__: There you can select stuff for what you want; you see combobox; click; select
00:29<ml|>does about:plugins show the last one you tried?
00:29<joe__>i was thinking of installing gnash just to get the content type in there, then changing it to the nonfree's library
00:29<joe__>yeah flash files arent listed
00:29<joe__>and i dont see how to make a new content type
00:30<interbird>about:plugins shows all; ^ for selecting...
00:30<interbird>you don't want to
00:30<chealer>!tell joe__ about enter
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00:31<joe__>it dont have flash files listed as a content type
00:31<interbird>select the codec in the tab i said above
00:31<chealer>joe__: if you run lenny, why did you run apt-get -t etch-backports install flashplugin-nonfree ?
00:31<ml|>yeah was about to ask just use dmm
00:32<joe__>seemed like the thing to do, flash files werent working, and i went in search of a howto, didnt want to ask here b4 i read up on it, and thats what i came accross
00:32<joe__>i will go try the dmm thing right now
00:32<ml|>joe__: follow dpkg for installing adobe flash
00:32<joe__>and uninstall the flashplugin-nonfree
00:33<chealer>joe__: why did you use option -t etch-backports ?
00:33<ml|>yes remove that
00:33<interbird>nonfree is the adobe-one, not ?
00:33<ml|>dpkg: tell joe__ about dmm lenny
00:34<ml|>interbird: no i think they are diferrent
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00:35<interbird>ml|: This package will download the Flash Player from Adobe. It is a -- from dpkg --l
00:36<ml|>yeah just read that, but why is there oon in dmm?
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00:37<joe__>okay, i ran that command
00:37<joe__>and it all installed just fine
00:37<joe__>i restarted iceweasel
00:37<joe__>and flash still dont work
00:37<joe__>says i have iether javascript turned off or old version of flash
00:37<ml|>i just use the dmm one since it's recommened
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00:38<ml|>do you have flash block?
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00:38<joe__>of course not
00:38<joe__>and javascript is enabled
00:38<ml|>hmmm does about:plugins show anything?
00:39<joe__>maybe i should re-install iceweasel
00:39<ml|>was it working before you tried this?
00:40<joe__>non-free has never worked
00:40<joe__>if i install gnash or swfdec they kinda work
00:40<joe__>but they suck
00:40<ml|>was it working *before* you tried this?
00:40<joe__>same as before
00:40<joe__>no difference
00:40<ml|>so free was working *before* you tried non-free
00:41<joe__>i had free working about 3 days ago
00:41<joe__>and uninstalled it
00:41<joe__>to try to use nonfree
00:42<ml|>maybe will trying al this something got left behind from one of the tries
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00:42<joe__>yeah, thats what i was thinking
00:42<joe__>u think u should re-install iceweasel?
00:43<ml|>not sure, but sounds like next thing to try, but purge it
00:43<ml|>then re-install
00:43<ml|>and try again with non-free
00:44<joe__>i just did apt-get install gnash and restarted iceweasel
00:44<joe__>and now its oding same thing again
00:44<joe__>same as nonfree was doing
00:44<joe__>so nonfree might havebeen working, its iceweasel thats broke
00:44<interbird>/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ -> /etc/alternatives/ -- is in my sys and it resolves to swfdec in /usr/lib/scfdec-mozilla/ -- FYI
00:45<joe__>okay, ill go rename that file, sec
00:45<dpkg>hmm... alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>.
00:47<ml|>/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ -> /etc/alternatives/
00:47<ml|>didn't know alternatives handled flash too
00:48<ml|>guess never notced because i only have one installed
00:49<joe__>i did apt-get remove iceweasel, and then apt-get install iceweasel, same result
00:49<interbird>ml|: but what does your's point to?
00:49<ml|>joe__: try *purge*
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00:50<interbird>ultimately i seem to use: /usr/lib/scfdec-mozilla/
00:50<joe__>whats that?
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00:51<ml|>interbird: /etc/alternatives/ -> /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/
00:51<interbird>ml|: one level deeper...
00:51<interbird>or not ?
00:51<interbird>the last is not a symlink ?
00:52<joe__>ml what does purge do?
00:52<interbird>libflashplayer is from adobe if i'm notmistaken
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00:52<ml|>dpkg: tell joe__ about purge
00:53<ml|>interbird: yes from dmm
00:53<ml|>joe__: man aptitude helps
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00:53<ml|>dpkg: tell joe__ about why aptitude
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00:54<ml|>apt-get seems archaic to me ;)
00:54<interbird>synaptic, then apt-get, then compile from source :-)
00:55<ml|>tho apt-cache comes in handy
00:55<joe__>wtf, i purged it and didnt notice, iceweasel was still running
00:55<interbird>a free world...
00:56<joe__>how could it have purged it if it was still running
00:56<joe__>after it got done
00:56<ml|>try to run it
00:56<joe__>and said it was purged
00:56<interbird>cause it is cached
00:56<joe__>oh okay
00:56<joe__>its gone off the list
00:56<joe__>, installing now
00:57<interbird>restart ice
00:57<joe__>no work
00:57<interbird>all of the processes, including any open download windows
00:58<ml|>!doesn't work
00:58<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
00:58<interbird>joe__: i did not follow: which one did you install for flash ?
00:58<joe__>says same thing, Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
00:58<dpkg>it has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
00:58<joe__>the dmm is the only one installed right now
00:58<ml|>joe__: how did you install it this time
00:59<joe__>like dpkg told me to
00:59<joe__>i havent installed it
00:59<joe__>since i re-did iceweasel
00:59<ml|>did you or did you not install it?
00:59<joe__>should i install it again? or uninstall it then reinstall it?
00:59<interbird>joe__: tried swfcdec ?
00:59<joe__>yes, it sucks
00:59<joe__>it worked
00:59<ml|>ok what did you just do?
01:00<joe__>but dont play videos
01:00<interbird>it does
01:00<joe__>not most of em
01:00<joe__>just like youtube ones
01:00<joe__>ml: i apt-get purge iceweasel , apt-get install iceweasel
01:01<ml|>well untill you install flash from dmm it won't work
01:01<joe__>im going to purge gnash, swfdec, and other as well, sec
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01:01<joe__>im going to uninstall all of them
01:01<joe__>then do iceweasel, then dmm, brb
01:01<ml|>thought you did
01:01<joe__>i did but i didnt purge them
01:01<joe__>when i removed them
01:02<ml|>purge purge i always purge
01:02<ml|>hmm, i think i need to purge right about now ;)
01:03<dpkg>hmm... purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files.
01:03<ml|>interbird: i have found that free flash does not work as good as adobe
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01:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:04<interbird>ml|: it will; give it some time
01:04<samuel>souy nuevo una persona me puede ayudar
01:04<samuel>a colocar el Xchat-gname
01:05<ml|>interbird: that be nice and that adobe opens it up would be great
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01:08<interbird>ml|: there is no force harnassed against open-source/free-software; it's just like a little poll of grass emerging from under the cement on the path you walk...
01:09<interbird>it breals trhrough
01:10<joe__>damn, this is crap man, same thing
01:11<ml|>what did you do this time
01:12<joe__>apt-purge gnash, nonfree, swf-dec, dmm, iceweasel, then installed iceweasel and dmm
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01:12<interbird>cache? restart? purge, restart,reinstall
01:13<interbird>shitty, but...
01:13<ml|>dpkg: tell joe__ about dmm lenny
01:13<ml|>^ that is what you need to do
01:13<joe__>i did that
01:13<joe__>echo "deb lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update
01:13<joe__>right ?
01:14<interbird>aptitude is ml|'s section... :-)
01:14<ml|>yes then mozilla-flahspluging
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01:15<ml|>sry ... flashplayer-mozilla
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01:15<ml|>got it backwards
01:16<interbird>joe__: you know you can select in preferences of iceweasel? installing multiple flash stuff does not make the one you installed the default one ice uses
01:16<joe__>now we are cooking
01:17<ml|>!congratulate joe__
01:17<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies joe__, you did it!
01:17<joe__>i was make it the only one installed to use as defualt
01:17<ml|>no need to install anything else
01:18<ml|>yes :)
01:18<joe__>finally.... web porn
01:18*interbird smile
01:18<Xenguy>looooooooove the 'working' :-)
01:18<joe__>was bout to go back to vista
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01:18<ml|>!lart joe__
01:18*dpkg rm -rf's joe__
01:18<Xenguy>joe__: vista is an abomination, don't even go there :-)
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01:20*ml| wonders what joe__ is doing right about now ;)
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01:20<interbird>he lives hapily ever after :-)
01:22<interbird>all days in debian are sundays
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01:28<joe__>heh not hardly
01:28<joe__>but damn near
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01:29<interbird>talk for yourself
01:29<joe__>made me big fat plage of nachos with beef, refried beans, mexican rice and cheese
01:29<ml|>joe__: that was quick ;)
01:29<joe__>i now my #
01:29<joe__>and i can dial it quickly
01:29<interbird>it's up
01:29<ml|>!feed joe__
01:29*dpkg serves up a lovely steak and ale pie to joe__.
01:30<joe__>that was some work though gettin that thing workin
01:30<joe__>thanks guys i really do appreciate it
01:31<ml|>enjoy your p0rn ;)
01:31<interbird>all in a (sun)days work
01:31<joe__>im bout to burn a phatty after i get done grubbin yall could come join me if u were closer
01:31<Xenguy>.oO(sounds delicious)
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01:31<interbird>noted; thx
01:31<ml|>joe__: :)
01:32<interbird>donna summer; the state of independance
01:32<interbird>i'm listening to that right now
01:32<interbird>since we're sharing...
01:33<ml|>:O enjoy
01:33<joe__>i wonder like one day in year 2076 when microsoft or google invents a teleporter, then someone hacks it and breaks it down, who the first volunteer to try the first open source teleporter will be
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01:33<interbird>sorry, they will not be the ones to invent that
01:34<joe__>no, but they will probably somehow own it by time we are allowed to use them
01:34<interbird>also not
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01:34<ml|>heh by that time i'll be dead
01:34<joe__>the nwo would have to control all teleporter traffic
01:35<interbird>ml|: you already have plans?
01:35<joe__>no shit
01:35<joe__>im stickin around as long as they will let me
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01:35<ml|>everybody has those plans
01:36<interbird>count me out
01:36<joe__>if i died tommarow, i would say, welp, never planned that one
01:36<ml|>oh so you guys are immortal
01:36<interbird>feels like it
01:36<joe__>yeah, close to it
01:36<joe__>if not immortal, definately indestructable
01:36<ml|>not planing just sating
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01:37<joe__>damn them nachos were good, wish i would have cooked all of it
01:37<joe__>think i will, brb
01:37<ml|>gl to you guys on that one
01:38<interbird>and then this little poll of grass broke through the pavement... what is it ?
01:38<simonrvn>in body, no, in mind, and spirit, yes.
01:38<ml|>used to be interbird
01:38<interbird>is it a plant? is it a stone? is it....?
01:38<interbird>no, my children :-)
01:39<interbird>beyond the obliss
01:40<ml|>simonrvn: nice idea hope you are right
01:40<interbird>second that
01:42<joe__>back now
01:42<simonrvn>i know i am
01:43<interbird>i know
01:44<interbird>the shortest form is: i
01:44<joe__>long i or short i ?
01:44<joe__>as in bike or shit ?
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01:46<interbird>as i bike through shit
01:47<joe__>thats shitty
01:47<joe__>ive biked thru mud before, and it like flies all up your back
01:47<joe__>glad im not you
01:47<joe__>yeah gets in your hair everything big mess
01:48<joe__>would hate to bike through shit
01:48<interbird>maybe i'm glad i'm not you
01:48<joe__>you probably should be
01:48<joe__>how old r u ?
01:49<joe__>im 30, im old
01:49<joe__>oh well hrmm, no you would prolly like being me
01:50<joe__>i was like 15 when i first started getting on irc
01:50<joe__>back then it was like almost all young people
01:50<interbird>wasted already
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01:51<interbird>like having nike shoes you mean?
01:51<joe__>nah i was thinkin more along the lines like
01:52<joe__>like back in the day when we were all on irc, and someone came on irc and was 30, they were old
01:52<joe__>back in 94 and 95 if u were on irc, and you were 30 your were probably the oldest person in the channel
01:53<interbird>i'm still young, 'm like 18; just trapped in a body that's 44; not my fault, he?
01:53<joe__>i know what u mean, i am a lesbian trapped in a mans body
01:53<joe__>its rough
01:54<interbird>not really; just hanle it
01:55<joe__>i know when i was 15 i thought they would have figured out a way to stop aging by now
01:55<interbird>it's wat you miss most of your time
01:55<joe__>i dont know whats taking so long, but they need to hurry up
01:55<ml|>sucks the you die ;)
01:56<joe__>theyve been done with the human genome project for a while now, and they are supposed to be able to use that info to stop the biological clock that tells when to stop regenerating faster than they die
01:56<ml|>joe__: gl on that one
01:56<interbird>who dears to live forever ?
01:56*joe__ raises hand
01:57<ml|>not me
01:57<joe__>i got a 2 yr old son, i wanna see his kids, and thier kids, and thier kids and thier kids and thier kids
01:57<joe__>not to mention the playstation 10
01:57<joe__>you know thats gonna be a big fiasco
01:57<jrabbit>playstation 11 mgiht be worth buying though
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01:58<ml|>hah you mean xbox7000
01:58<joe__>by then it will be a chip you have installed in your head
01:58<joe__>no consoles...
01:58<ml|>i hoping for a quick death :)
01:58<joe__>parents will be yelling at thier kids, stop playing playstation while im talking to you!
01:59<alys>Since installing Lenny, once I have X running - whichever desktop manager - I cannot then type 'control-alt-F2' or whatever to get a CLI console. Is this a 'feature' of Lenny or am I doing something wrong?
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02:00<ml|>and body!=spirit no one knows
02:00<joe__>alys i got lenny, and it works for me
02:01<interbird>alys: is there an active terminal or is it truly dead? i mean, does it take commands altought blind ?
02:01<alys>Then I don't know - it always worked with sarge and previous debians...
02:01<ml|>alys: works fine here
02:01<alys>I can gain an active terminal on the desktop - but I cannot then switch to a plain console - as I would want to do.
02:02<ml|>alys: are you keybinding correct?
02:02<alys>I'm using Dvorak - they should be fine....
02:02<interbird>so, what if you start with a console by changing /etc/X11/desfault-display-manager to .../console ?
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02:03<alys>I always start with a console - I disabled gdm - but when I go to a desktop manager I cannot then get back to a console - except for a virtual one, of course.
02:03<interbird>then you boot into text-modus; my "gut-feeling" is it is in your "initrd" but i could be wrong
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02:04<ml|>alys: try purging gdm since you are not using it
02:04<interbird>what do you mean by a virt-console that works? like a terminal on a gui?
02:05<alys>yes - a terminal on gui
02:05<interbird>purging gdm for console access?
02:05<alys>if I type 'aptitude remove gdm' it will take gnome with it....
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02:05<alys>is there some way of 'purging' without losing gnome?
02:06<ml|>alys: that is a meta package
02:06<alys> OK - Ill try again....
02:06<interbird>whay would you ant to purge ?
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02:07<ml|>interbird: just a suggestion he is not even using it and might be the cause who knows
02:07<alys>gnome is disappearing - according to aptitude....
02:07<alys>and desktop environment
02:07<alys>Ah well - I can use a CLI....
02:08<interbird>ml|: sorry, don't follow your logic; he cannot access ctrl-alt-fx; nothing to do with a loin manager
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02:09<alys>Ok, guys - how do I reinstall gnome?
02:09<ml|>interbird: yes, but he is not using it, just a hunch
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02:10<ml|>alys: gnome is gone?
02:10<interbird>apt-get install gnome gnome-session gnome-desktop gdm should do
02:10<alys>yep - and all the associated programs
02:10<ml|>!remove gnome
02:10<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly).
02:10<alys>Thanks interbird
02:11<ml|>!install gnome
02:11<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
02:12<interbird>ml|: strange solution path, sorry ml|, how do you know he might not using it tomorrow? And it still is no solution to his problem; maybey he also does not use his backup-kernel right now...
02:12<ml|>alys: sry, but that should not happen
02:12<ml|>interbird: you are right, but he was not using it
02:13<alys>Never mind - I'm not a very tech-savvy gal, it happens sometimes....
02:13<interbird>alys: you know about ctrl-alt-fx in text-modus ?
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02:13<alys>Yes - I have been using that without success recently
02:14<interbird>Does that work if you boot in text-modus ?
02:14<alys>If I boot in text, then I can type ctrl-alt-fx and get whatever I want.
02:17<interbird>alys: if you know how to boot in text (/etc/X11/default-display-manager set to console) and still cannot switch terminal or have no display at all my guess is your initrd is shitty and it might have to to with vga of framebuffer shit
02:18<interbird>so, it works in text-modus yes? (alt-fx?)
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02:18<alys>interbird: thanks - I shall look into the initrd problem - and it certainly works in text-mode
02:18<alys>How do I reinstall - or correct initrd?
02:19<interbird>alys: ok, what you want; this was just a hint; i tought we were still pinpointing yoiur probbie
02:19<joe__>whats the difference between sarge and lenny
02:20<interbird>sarge is the mother of etch which is the mother of lenny
02:20<joe__>buncha bitches eeh?
02:20<alys>Thanks for everything - I have to go now... Bye!
02:20<interbird>and squeeze is the newest elative...
02:20<joe__>is lenny gonna have kids too?
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02:20<interbird>just told you
02:20<joe__>i see
02:21<joe__>i like the sound of it
02:21<joe__>just going by name, it will prolly be a winner
02:21<ml|>damm it appears gnome is not a meta package, like everyone says around here
02:21<interbird>yea, never judge a book by it's cover
02:21<joe__>right... but... i know his mom, and grandma, and great grandma
02:22<ml|>i feel bad for telling alys that, but now i know
02:22<joe__>squeeze is prolly trustworthy
02:22<interbird>it's in the fase of growing-up; like puperty
02:23<interbird>grandma is a better bet for security
02:23<ml|>!lart ml|
02:23*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on ml|
02:24<ml|>!nuke ml|
02:24*dpkg fires a 20 zettaton thermonuclear weapon at ml|
02:24<interbird>vaxen? like those old heavy mainframes ? :-)
02:24<joe__>ml did you write dpkg ?
02:25<interbird>dpkg just gave him some
02:25<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, interbird
02:25<interbird>dpkg: you too?
02:25<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
02:26<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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02:27<dpkg>well, one is there
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02:28<interbird>shit happens and if you say that enough you might run for gouvernor
02:28<interbird>and get elected :-)
02:28<adrian>user, it worked, thank you
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02:30<joe__>is barney frank openly gay?
02:30<cahoot>definitely OT
02:31<joe__>OT ?
02:31<cahoot>off topic
02:31<ml|>... /j #debian-offtopic
02:31<joe__>just seen him on tv a bit ago and was thinking he looked a little flamboyant
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02:32<interbird>ot, but amusing, not ?
02:33<jay_>hi all
02:33<interbird>hi jay_
02:33<jay_>iam on my laptop
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02:34<interbird>me too
02:34<jay_>need some1 fix my pc
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02:34<interbird>like for what ?
02:35<jay_>i have asus note boot laptop
02:35<joe__>jay_ i accept paypal
02:35<jay_>have no money
02:36<jay_>dont no how del files off here
02:36<joe__>well, like off where?
02:36<jay_>cant go on websites
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02:36<joe__>how did you get where you are?
02:36<ootput>banter between multiple personalities?
02:36<joe__>where did you hear about irc ?
02:37<jay_>its on laptop
02:37<joe__>you found a laptop , and this was on it?
02:37<jay_>came with it
02:37<joe__>your laptop came with irc?
02:37<joe__>did you steal it?
02:37<ml|>jay_: ubuntu?
02:37<joe__>forgot bout that
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02:38<joe__>wonder how many people show up in #ubuntu like wtf
02:38<jay_>iam on that
02:38<joe__>next time i bet you dont go cheap on the OS
02:39<ml|>joe__: what are you saying?
02:39<interbird>jay_: what is the problem ?
02:39<jay_>cant del files
02:39<interbird>what files? where ?
02:39<jay_>firefox dont work
02:39<interbird>that is not a file
02:40<joe__>ml| just that i bet a bunch of people go with ubuntu cuz its like $100 cheaper get thier new computer in the mail and are like WTF
02:40<ml|>jay_: for ubuntu support .... Use #ubuntu ( instead
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02:40<jay_>it say there no room on pc
02:40<jay_>its full
02:40<joe__>hrmm, sounds defective
02:40<ml|>joe__: that's not bad if you want it
02:40<interbird>jay_: close firefox
02:40<joe__>no of course not, im talking about the people who dont even know windows is now called vista
02:41<ml|>joe__: people should read before buying
02:41<jay_>it dont load
02:41<jay_>its not open
02:41<joe__>jay are you challenged?
02:41<interbird>jay_: a full disk is a full disk
02:41<joe__>he might be using a live cd
02:41<jay_>no cd rom
02:42<joe__>so you are reading what we are saying
02:42<interbird>a full cd is a full cd
02:42<joe__>yet you are still uttering these random thoughts
02:42<interbird>jay_: do you want helpfrom this channel you got into ?
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02:43<joe__>what is your first language?
02:43<joe__>your shittin me
02:43<interbird>jay_: about what ? debian? we are here about debian you know. you use debian ?
02:43<interbird>you use debian?
02:43<ml|>no he using ubuntu
02:44<jay_>on my other pc i do
02:44<ootput>why did #debian pop up for him?
02:44<ootput>ubuntu wouldn't do that, would it?
02:44<interbird>you have a question about debian ?
02:44<joe__>that goes back to a command i thought of years ago
02:44<interbird>jay_: you have a question about debian ?
02:44<joe__>i kept telling people they should write it into IRC servers
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02:45<joe__>they should make /punt <nick> <channel> so an op could kick someone into a different channel
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02:45<ml|>ootput: i think ubuntu xchat developers forgot to change default irc channel, some has mentioning that before here
02:45<ootput>ah ok.that'd make sense
02:46<interbird>we are here to help; whomever; in the meantime we joke about...
02:46<ml|>for ubuntu support .... Use #ubuntu ( instead
02:46<interbird>fine, still we help
02:47<interbird>i will
02:47<joe__>then help him delete a file
02:47<ootput>joe__: wouldn't really be fun if abusive ops resided on both channels
02:47<interbird>if i can
02:47<joe__>fun for who?
02:47<ootput>joe__: 'punt'ing him back and forth for ever
02:47<joe__>dont sound bad on this side
02:47<ootput>I don't sound bad
02:48<ml|>interbird: i don't mind helping just the rules around here
02:48<joe__>matter of fact, if im in #debian asking about ubuntu i would want someone to punt me to the right place
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02:48<ml|>plus ubuntu is different
02:48<interbird>ml|: one of the rules is not to mock-about; that just happened; not ok, me thinks
02:48<ml|>i did when?
02:49<joe__>interbird what is your first language?
02:49<interbird>not you personally
02:49<jay_>there no1 tthere
02:49<interbird>joe__: why ?
02:49<interbird>joe__: nl
02:49<ml|>jay_: there is usally 1000+ there
02:50<joe__>jay_ : do you read what you typed before you hit enter?
02:50<joe__>do you look at the keyboard or the screen when you type?
02:50<interbird>jay_: can we helpyou with a problem ?
02:51<jay_>no i dont
02:51<joe__>its like watching a monkey screw a football
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02:52<interbird>well, one might think so, but sometimes this channel degenerates into something not so representable of debian...
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02:53<joe__>cant always be perfect
02:53<joe__>im sure everyone gets what they pay for
02:53<interbird>you know what i mean
02:54<interbird>you think so?
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02:54<interbird>i think some get less
02:54<interbird>and some way too much
02:54<joe__>how can they get less
02:54<joe__>you cant get less than what you paid for if you didnt pay anything
02:55<joe__>after all, this is free support
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02:56<interbird>not good
02:56<joe__>hospitality is good
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02:57<interbird>you cannot read.
02:57<Supaplex>nuke it all, sort it out in the afterlife
02:57<joe__>well, i agree with you
02:57<joe__>hostility is not good
02:57<joe__>which is what im sure you meant to say
02:57<interbird>hostality != HOSPITALITY
02:57<interbird>in all cases
02:57<joe__>yeah, remember, i just said i can read
02:57<Supaplex>you two are arguin about the same thing
02:58<joe__>whos arguing?
02:58<joe__>what is hostality
02:58<interbird>you don'tknow?
02:58<joe__>go look up the definition
02:59<joe__> ?
03:00<ml|>dict :)
03:00<joe__>dict ?
03:00<interbird>so, howcome someone reads that as hospitality ?
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03:00<ml|>search for it
03:00<joe__>i did not
03:00<joe__>why do you not read
03:00<joe__>then accuse me of not reading
03:01<joe__>i assumed you meant to say hostility is bad
03:01<joe__>so i agreed
03:01<joe__>and said hospitality is good
03:01<joe__>which si also true
03:01<joe__>then you called me a retard or something i dont remember
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03:01<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
03:02<dpkg>rumour has it, hate is opposite of love (see love)
03:02<dpkg>from memory, rumor is you're a homobot
03:02<Supaplex>only a rumor though
03:02<dpkg>well, suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server
03:03<dpkg>joe__ has neutral karma
03:04<Supaplex>joe__: enough with the bot
03:04<joe__>it likes me
03:04<joe__>your prolly jealous of our relationship
03:04<ml|>joe__: /msg dpkg
03:05<Supaplex>yeah. you can have your own room too.
03:05<joe__>naw i dont wanna get that started
03:05<joe__>next thing you know shell be calling the house gettin my wife all mad at me
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03:06<dpkg>I'm female
03:06<joe__>better be
03:06<joe__>i checkled if you know what i mean
03:06<Supaplex>but that can change at the flick of a switch.
03:06<dpkg>I'm hermaphroditic
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03:06<ml|>yup lol
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03:07<joe__>she is under duress
03:07<joe__>someone had a gun to her head and made her say that
03:07<Supaplex>!comfort dpkg
03:07<dpkg>There, there, dpkg. It's OK. I'm here for you.
03:08<joe__>would you break up with a girl because she got raped?
03:09<aygeX>hi can I still download debian 4.0?
03:09<ml|>yes, but support for it won't last long
03:09<Supaplex>and it'll cost you double
03:10<joe__>+ my percentage
03:10<aygeX>could you send me a link to download etch? I dont find any oO
03:10<ml|>dpkg: tell aygeX about etch
03:10<ml|>dpkg: tell aygeX about install etch
03:11<aygeX> dpkg a bot?
03:11<ml|>dpkg: tell aygeX about install guide
03:11<joe__>dpkg: bill aygeX for support
03:11<dpkg>joe__: are you smoking crack?
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03:12<Supaplex>now the truth is out!
03:12<aygeX>I think I know how to install it
03:12<joe__>she cought me
03:12<aygeX>does it have a GUI for installing?
03:12<joe__>well its a UI not very G
03:12<ml|>not as good as lenny's
03:12<aygeX>then Im gonna print the guide
03:13<joe__>like all blue screen creepy looking
03:13<ml|>tho lenny has that too
03:13<aygeX>yeah I know
03:13<Supaplex>so what's wrong with lenny?
03:13<aygeX>wlan = cr*p
03:13<aygeX>no ndiswrapper
03:14<joe__>its dennys
03:14<ml|>maybe you don't need that
03:14<aygeX>i need it, cause linux drivers only work with kernel 2.6.18 and 2.6.20
03:15<aygeX>its a german wlan-stick
03:15<Supaplex>my chipset is a nerual net processing matrix. it's a learning computer.
03:15<joe__>my chipset is clogged with beer hops and bong resin
03:15<aygeX>? mine is AVM Fritz Wlan USB-Stick 1.1
03:15<ml|>dpkg: tell aygeX about what's my wireless
03:16<joe__>dpkg: tell me you love me
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03:16<joe__><dpkg> No, joe__, I won't. (target invalid?)
03:17<co_gokil>aii ...
03:17<aygeX>ok I have the infos
03:17<co_gokil>woooiii ....
03:17<aygeX>but, well
03:18<joe__>eeeiiii .....
03:18<aygeX>just gonna install debian and try with the linux drivers
03:18<joe__>(i seen this on an i-step test)
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03:18<ml|>dpkg: tell aygeX about wifi
03:18<Supaplex>!bite joe__
03:18*dpkg takes a big bite out of joe__'s jugular vein
03:18<ml|>dpkg: tell aygeX about wlan howto
03:19<joe__>supaplex did you make dpkg?
03:19<aygeX>I know how to configure my wlan^^
03:19<ml|>aygeX: ok just incae
03:19<joe__>!lightly strum the side of Supaplexs cheek
03:20<aygeX>its just the kernel with "destroys" my wlan in Lenny
03:20<ml|>but it's a newer kernel
03:20<aygeX>linux drivers and ndiswrapper doesnt work = no wlan
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03:21<ml|>aygeX: gl
03:21<aygeX>but etch has kernel 2.6.18, doesnt it?
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03:21<aygeX>yeah ok
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03:22<ciinta_oncy>AIII ...
03:23<ml|>interbird: wb
03:23<interbird>joe__: i never called you a retard
03:23<Supaplex>fight! fight! fight! fight!
03:24<aygeX>dpkg doesnt understand any of my questions haha :D
03:24<dpkg>aygeX: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
03:24<ml|>dpkg: tell aygeX about selftell
03:25<aygeX>yeah I sent bot a private message
03:25<aygeX>but he also speaks here ^^
03:25<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
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03:27<interbird>ml|: love you 2
03:27<manuel>wathis yiur name
03:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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03:29<manuel>wath's your name
03:30<aygeX>bye bye guys and thanx for your help
03:30<manuel>need help
03:30<Supaplex>!tell manuel -about ask
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03:30<interbird>with what ?
03:30<Supaplex>the psych ward is closed for the night.
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03:30<interbird>no it's not
03:31<ml|>not realy ;)
03:31<Supaplex>oh yeah. we're open all night.
03:31<manuel>need foxpro for linux
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03:31<interbird>what is that? a database?
03:31<Supaplex>firefox pro?
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03:31<groulder>i've destroyed my debian install
03:31<groulder>how do i fix it
03:31<cahoot>sound like the 90's
03:31<jrabbit>RESCUE MODE
03:32<Supaplex>groulder: hit the continue button and play a few more rounds?
03:32<groulder>i deleted tar, or bzip or some shit. now when i try to use aptitude, i get dpkg errors that it can't unpack
03:32<interbird>i liked the 90's
03:32<groulder>help me guys
03:32<manuel>data base manager
03:32<Supaplex>!tell groulder -about rescue
03:32<interbird>manuel: dosbox? dosemu? wine?
03:33<manuel>i used wine but not run
03:33<Affiliated>Is there a command to get a list of all installed packages. Would like to use this output for a secound machine to install it like the first i got the list from.
03:33<joe__>interbird: i felt offended
03:34<joe__>interbird: i feel like you owe me an apology
03:34<cahoot>Affiliated: /msg dpkg debian clone
03:34<interbird>joe__: not intended; if that was the case i appoligize
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03:35<joe__>thats cheap
03:36<jrabbit>groulder: you're not to bright with rm are you
03:36<joe__>how can you say you did not intend to offend me by saying that I am unable to read?
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03:36<interbird>so, what do you want then? that is not cheap? gold ?
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03:37<Affiliated>cahoot: Thanks.
03:37<mridul>Hi everyone!
03:37<interbird>did not you say the same to me ?
03:37<joe__>i do accept apologies in fiscal format as well....
03:37<interbird>hi mridul
03:37<groulder>i need help. not your sarcasm
03:38<mridul>Hey interbird!!!
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03:38<mridul>Even I need some help! ;-)
03:38<jrabbit>you got dpkg help
03:38<joe__>interbird: how much did you have in mind?
03:39<mridul>I am not able to open netwoek location in squeeze
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03:39<interbird>joe__: whatever you think is worth someting; you are the judge of that; i don't know what you value
03:39<mridul>network* location
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03:40<manuel>i am install el dosbox but is slow
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03:40<joe__>interbird: then to make it fair, you just send me how much you need to so that you will learn your lesson and not immediately insult people before you fully understand the situation....
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03:40<Affiliated>cahoot: There is no command documented by manpage of dpkg. How so you mean this line?
03:41<Affiliated>But --get-selections sounds like it does the job.
03:41<joe__>interbird: how much would it take to make you think twice before pressing the trigger next time?
03:42<interbird>joe__: was my aplology not worth that? are you insecure ?
03:42<cahoot>Affiliated: sorry didn't understand the question
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03:43<interbird>joe__: you are on a bad karma
03:43<joe__>well, you apologized for offending my intelligence in the same sentence as lying about your obvious intentions.....
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03:44<interbird>no, i did not apologige for offending you; i apologiged because you were offended
03:44<Affiliated>cahoot: You answerd me a line here in IRC. "/msg dpgk debian clone". After this a checked the manpages of dpkg again an found no param/command like "debian" for dpkg. But i found "--get-selections" an is sounds like it would do the job.
03:44<Supaplex>!tell Affiliated -about debian clone
03:44<Supaplex>the bot. :)
03:45<interbird>joe__: so, what do you want? gold ?
03:45<joe__>interbird: i have paypal if that would be easier for you
03:45<interbird>i still think you are an asshole because you did not accept my appology
03:45<Supaplex>[bang head here]
03:45<joe__>but i do have a valid shipping address, and me likes gold
03:46<interbird>i like you
03:46<interbird>but you are an ass
03:46<Affiliated>Supaplex: Thanks for all, my problem seems to be solved.
03:46<interbird>get a gripof yourself, you sound like esr in '95
03:46<joe__>i think your an asshole for calling me illterate and saying you didnt mean to offend me and that your sorry that i would get offended by any of it, then offer to pay ... and not.....
03:46<Supaplex>Affiliated: cool.
03:47<Supaplex>can you two be a little more petty? this is entertaining.
03:47<interbird>whatever, joe__
03:47<interbird>feel free
03:47<mridul>seems like a scrapbook on orkut! :-P
03:47<joe__>... im trying... i just smoked a fatty this guy is nuts and im bored
03:48<joe__>its iether this or get back to php... .. grrr ...
03:48<interbird>look in the mirros and tell me what you see
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03:49<joe__>i see the back of my head cuz my mirrors are lined up real good
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03:49<Supaplex>*yawn* I see a pillow calling my name to bed.
03:49<interbird>not the mirrors in your home...
03:50<joe__>which mirrors?
03:50<joe__>and how do you know i have mirrors somewhere other than home?
03:50<interbird>you know...
03:50<joe__>where do you keep your mirrors?
03:50<mridul>mirror mirror on thw wall
03:50<mridul>who is the most .... among them all
03:50<interbird>you would like toknow that, wouldn't you ?
03:50<joe__>nope, not even a little bit
03:50<interbird>in myself
03:51<joe__>didnt wanna know
03:51<joe__>that is bad man
03:51<joe__>you should not stick stuff inside yourself
03:51<joe__>even if it is shiny
03:51<interbird>who says it's shiny?
03:52<joe__>well you call them mirrors
03:52<joe__>was a hunch
03:52<interbird>i did?
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03:52<joe__>you said you stick mirrors inside yourself
03:52<joe__>now stick to your story
03:52<dyanfreaks>hae all..
03:52<cahoot>interbird: and joe__ why don't you take this somewhere private?
03:52<dyanfreaks>can i join..??
03:53<mridul><F1> <F1> <F1>!!!
03:53*joe__ strums the side of interbirds face with the back of his hand at a medium pace while whispering softly into his ear "isso kay isso kay".....
03:54<joe__>he should calm down now guys
03:54<joe__>it usually works anyway
03:55<dyanfreaks>where u from?
03:55<Supaplex>the milkyway
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03:56<Supaplex>hahahaha... ?
03:56<mridul>Supaflex: May I ask you a question?
03:57<mridul>sorry! Supaplex*:
03:57<Supaplex>go ahead
03:57<mridul>Thanx first of all!! :-)
03:58<mridul>I upgraded my system to squeeze from lenny!!
03:58<mridul>now the "network:///" location seems invisible to my system
03:58<mridul>while I am still able to use internet...
03:59<Supaplex>I've never used it that way
03:59<mridul>what might be wrong??
03:59<mridul>I mean I want to access the pc in next room...
03:59<joe__>Supaplex: may I ask you a question also?
04:00<mridul>ah!! joe__ let him handle one at a time...
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04:00<Supaplex>mridul: I usually share filesystems via nfs
04:00<mridul>supaplex: no smb???
04:00<Supaplex>let me count the number of systems running windows right now on my network.
04:00<Supaplex>mmmmm zero.
04:01<ml|>ftp, scp, sftp, etc also
04:01<mridul>he he he!!! I can't force my roommate to migrate to linux!!!
04:01<ml|>Supaplex: lol
04:01<Supaplex>I have seven linux boxes, including two laptops
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04:02<interbird>i have 5
04:02<interbird>one is cli
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04:03<ml|>Supaplex: isn't nfs a pain
04:03<Supaplex>not when you don't rely on it
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04:04<ml|>i fine ssh does a good job with other tools :)
04:04<Supaplex>I've lost count of how many virtual guests are running under vserver on all these.
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04:05<interbird>joe__: are you and i enemies or friends?
04:06<dpkg>friends are people to smoke weed with
04:07<dpkg>Never reason with idiots. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!
04:10<mridul>throw smileys like this : :-*:-*
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04:36<trueno>Hi! Is there any good substitute for MS WebExpression in Linux?
04:37<interbird>wha does it do ?
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04:38<Supaplex>it wastes money. sorry, linux doesn't have a lot to offer there.
04:38<dr|z3d>trueno: There's Kompozer. You can also run Dreamweaver under Wine.
04:39<Supaplex>ml|: is this qotd worthy? :)
04:40<ml|>hehe, yes one after the other
04:40<ml|>you going to add it?
04:41<Supaplex>feels self serving if I quote myself.
04:41<ml|>pk want me to?
04:41<ml|>hmm what number
04:42<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 242 (2009-06-13).
04:42<dpkg>no voted replaceables in the queue
04:42<dpkg><stew> autovaccum was killing the box before and I had to kill the postgres cluster. the stupid plugin author was too dumb to make the bot plugin pick up a new database connection <stew> (I'm the stupid plugin author)
04:42<dpkg><ert34> You read won't read the source code of it all.
04:42<dpkg><bja> Gateway: Your english is somewhat broken anc you be more specific
04:42<dpkg><bja> deniz: take it easy on sudo, it looks like you are using ubuntu
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04:43<Supaplex>someone said I skipped one. so maybe it got filled in. :)
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04:46<dpkg>hmm... qotd243 is < trueno> Hi! Is there any good substitute for MS WebExpression in Linux?, < Supaplex> it wastes money. sorry, linux doesn't have a lot to offer there.
04:46<Supaplex>awesome :)
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04:47<interbird>still it was a valid question
04:48<trueno>ml|: ???
04:48<ml|>yes it was but response was funny
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04:48<ml|>trueno: ??
04:49<Supaplex>trueno: you know I was being funny, right? =) interbird is all too serious today.
04:51<ml|>lol 239 is hehe
04:52<interbird>yeah, think i swallowed some wrong medicine
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04:53<ml|>barf it back up
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04:53<interbird>then i'll take it back and want my money back
04:53<Supaplex>it's okay. this too shall pass. :D
04:54<Supaplex>just be sure to puke in the jar. if they ask, just say you don't trust it.
04:54<interbird>rather in a war if you dot mind
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05:04<c>Hi I use opendns,but any time I can see reverse dns.What do to stop reverse dns? I don't see old resolf.conf in etc
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05:18<c>My resolf.conf (# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN nameserver nameserver
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05:39<locklace>!tell c about ru
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05:58<groulder>if i've stuffed a few core packages on a debian system
05:58<groulder>does anyone know how i can use finnix to fix it?
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05:59<plugwash>what exactly is finnix?
05:59<groulder>some sort of debain based livecd rescue distro apparently
05:59<plugwash>what exactly do you mean by "stuffed" and what packages exactly have you done it to?
06:00<dr|z3d>!fgi plugwash finnix
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06:01<ml|>there is lso grml, plus the debian lived rescue cd
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06:02<plugwash>groulder, until we know what you have done to your system and/or what the symptoms are we can't really do much to help
06:05<groulder>i removed a whole heap of packages using aptitude
06:05<groulder>and from what i can tell
06:05<groulder>it's removed stuff like tar and bzip and build-essentials
06:05<groulder>because whenever i go to install any package now, dpkg throws errors about it being unable to unpack the deb.
06:06<snogglethorpe>hmm that seems unlikely...
06:06<ml|>manually install them
06:06<snogglethorpe>groulder: if you don't know what to install, maybe strace dpkg to see what it's trying to run
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06:07<ml|>you can also look at /var/log/aptitude
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06:09<groulder>how do i manually install them
06:11<ml|>download the deb files you need and dpkg -i
06:11<dr|z3d>Or use gdebi from your window manager, if you prefer a gui.
06:11<ml|>you can also look at /var/log/aptitude for what you need
06:12<ml|>to re-install
06:13<ml|>search for them here ...
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06:13<groulder>how are debs compressed?
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06:14<groulder>using tar or bzip2 or something?
06:14<ml|>install only what you need to get aptitude working again
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06:16<groulder>so /var/log/aptitude will tell me what's wrong?
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06:16<ml|>groulder: try it if it doesn't work maybe someone has a better idea
06:16<ml|>no what got removed/purged
06:16<groulder>oh ok
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06:17<ml|>maybe pastebin the whole error
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06:19<neiljp>should lenny work on a 64M ram Pentium MMX?
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06:21<ml|>yes cli only or maybe a good window manager if you are lucky like xmonad
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06:26<davide>hi channel
06:26<davide>what client do you use?
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06:27<davide>client for irc
06:28<ml|>i use irssi
06:28<davide>i've tried centerim
06:28<dpkg>hmm... irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
06:28<snogglethorpe>no, vi!
06:28<snogglethorpe>no, emacs!
06:29<ml|>!start an editor war
06:29<dpkg>vim sucks
06:29<ml|>aww lol
06:29<vvas>davide: irssi
06:29<davide>wonderful newer begun a war for editors!!
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06:32<davide>i've looked at some channels a moment ago... full of people but no one speaking
06:33<davide>is it normal
06:33<c>I think Your
06:33<ml|>davide: yes
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06:34<davide>mm why? irc should be the biggest protocol... or i'm wrong?
06:35<locklace>davide: join #ubuntu on
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06:37<davide>in what network are here?
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06:39<davide>well strange that greater networks are less active (at least it seams)
06:39<ml|>connect to #ubuntu server then /join #ubuntu
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06:39<ml|>freenode is bigger than here, if i'm not mistaken
06:40<locklace>5600 users here vs. 46000 there
06:40<bremner>so what is the deal with weechat? it sells itself as multi-interface, but then you check everything but curses is vapour
06:41<ml|>irssi :)
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06:42<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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06:43<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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06:51<mike_>Hi! I'm using dedian squeeze/sid and I tried to install KDE 4. But some packets has version 3.5.9 instead of 4.2 and conflicts occurs. What should I do to install KDE 4?
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06:53<ml|>mike_: try asking in #debian-kde
06:53<mike_>Ok, thank you!
06:53<bremner>mike_: it should just replace the 3.5.9 packages it conflicts with. You used aptitude to upgrade?
06:54<mike_>Yes, aptitude
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06:55<bremner>hmm. worked for me on several machines. Mind you, then I stopped using KDE. Draw your own conclusions :-)
06:55<ml|>bremner: haha
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06:57<mike_>"aptitude -s install kde-standard" runs with no conflicts
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06:58<ml|>great go ahead gl
06:58<Nazcafan>I want to format a fat32 external hard drive
06:59<Nazcafan>is there a gnome utility to do that?
06:59<bremner>Nazcafan: gparted is good at that kind of thing
07:00<bremner>Nazcafan: just be careful about what device you are formatting
07:00<cahoot>define 'format'
07:00<bremner>cahoot: gparted can do both :-)
07:01<cahoot>I'm just wondering what Nazcafan wants to do
07:01<bremner>Nazcafan: there are really 3 steps. make a partition table, make a partition, and format that partition
07:02<Nazcafan>I want to format a partition
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07:02<bremner>Nazcafan: then mkdosfs will be simpler
07:02<ml|>unless you need to don't use fat32
07:02<bremner>in dosfstools
07:02<cahoot> you mean creat a filesystem?
07:02<Nazcafan>ml|, it is already in fat32, I just want to reformat
07:03<ml|>Nazcafan: right, but you can reformat it as ext3 for example
07:03<Nazcafan>no, I don't want that
07:03<bremner>right, I guess where I said "format the partition", the unixy thing to say would be "create a file system on that partition"
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07:04<ml|>bremer heh
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07:05<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
07:05<Nazcafan>why on earth use ext3 on an external hard drive ?
07:06<locklace>why not
07:06<Nazcafan>I do have friends who use windows and mac os
07:06<ml|>necause you can and it's better than fat32
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07:07<ml|>well guess you are forced to use fat32 then
07:07<dr|z3d>Anything's better than Fat32, even NTFS. Choose a journalling file system for best results.
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07:08<ml|>but you can also have your friends install ext3 driver to read ext3
07:08<dr|z3d>You can read Ext2/3 and even write to it from Windows, now.
07:08<dr|z3d>Yup. All possible.
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07:09<ml|>if you care about your data use ext3, but your choice ;)
07:10<Nazcafan>look I don't want to do that, it is a pain in the neck, the hard drive should work straight away on most computers and fat32 or ntfs are the best options to that
07:10<Nazcafan>otherwise I would have used reiser
07:11<ml|>isn't reiser dead?
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07:11<cahoot>Nazcafan: so just mkfs.vfat /dev/device
07:12<ml|>make sure you point to right /dev/device
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07:12<dr|z3d>Apparently reiserfs is being actively developed still, fwiw.
07:13<groulder>does debian keep an extract of debs anywhere?
07:13<groulder>i accidently removed tar
07:13<groulder>and i can't install it now because aptitude/dpkg depend on it
07:15<dr|z3d>locate *.deb
07:15<Kvant>you need tar to unpack .deb:s
07:15<groulder>can i download a binary tar from somewhere
07:16<dr|z3d>groulder: /var/cache/apt/archives is one place to look.
07:16<Kvant>someone could unpack it for you, i guess, and send it
07:16<bremner>groulder: are you sure dpkg depends on tar? I couldn't see the dep
07:16<the-dude>groulder: extract with dpkg -x $debfile .
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07:16<groulder>dpkg uses tar to extract deb files is what i'm saying
07:17<dpkg>groulder: okay
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07:17<ml|>groulder: maybe with live cd cp tar to your install to get aptitude working then install it using aptitude, but does dpkg really depend on tar?
07:18<dr|z3d>!depends aptitude
07:18<groulder>(none):~# dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/patch_2.5.9-5_i386.deb
07:18<groulder>dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed to exec tar: No such file or directory
07:18<groulder>dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 2
07:18<dpkg>aptitude: depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6-4.7, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcwidget3, libept0 (>= 0.5.26+b1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libxapian15, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
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07:19<groulder>can someone dcc me a tar binar
07:19<groulder>binary rather
07:19<groulder>and tell me where it goes
07:20<bremner>gravity: can you try dpkg -i tar-whatever.deb, I think that patch package might be special
07:20<ml|>groulder: /bin/tar
07:20<dr|z3d>groulder: You should be able to grab a .deb and unpack manually with another tool.
07:20<bremner>what is .deb, cpio?
07:20<Kvant>deb is ar+tar :)
07:21<bremner>Kvant: so why doesn't the dpkg package depend on tar?
07:21<groulder>i need a tar binary
07:21<ml|>groulder: maybe with live cd cp tar to your install to get aptitude working then install it using aptitude
07:21<bremner>groulder: what architecture, release?
07:22<ml|>rm it before install
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07:22<groulder>bremner, debian 5.0 stable
07:22<bremner>actually, you don't even need to boot the live cd
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07:23<groulder>ok, i'll get it off the livecd
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07:24<bremner>or wget
07:25<bremner>but then you have to trust me, which is a dubious idea :-)
07:25<locklace>it would be easier without the dark glasses and that bulge inside your jacket
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07:26<groulder>better than it being in his pants
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07:28<bremner>and, yes, I'm willing send the sources for tar to anyone who downloads the binary, and sends me a self-addressed-stamped envelope.
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07:33<groulder>we're back in business
07:33<groulder>tar did the trick
07:33<ml|>!congratulate groulder
07:33<dpkg>Woohoo groulder, you did it!
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07:35<ml|>try re-installing tar with aptitude
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07:36<jmc>hi guys
07:36<jmc>does someone have experience with Festival?
07:36<groulder>yep, worked ml
07:37<ml|>great :)
07:37<bremner>groulder: ok, I'm going to delete that copy of tar now
07:37<ml|>groulder: don't you need bzip also
07:39<ml|>you mentioned that you got rid of that to look in /var/log/aptitude to see what else you removed by accident
07:39<groulder>yeah, reinstalled that too
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07:40<ml|>next time read what aptitude tells you, so this doesn't happen to you again, pretty sure aptitude must have given you some warning
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07:43<jmc>I'm interested in running Festival as a service
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07:44<jmc>does somebody know how can I do that?
07:44<jmc>it has to be run at boot time as a daemon
07:45<the-dude>jmc: man update-rc.d is a good place to start
07:45<locklace>jmc: add it to /etc/rc.local or create a startup script for it in /etc/init.d
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07:46<jmc>yes, the rc.local way should be the best one
07:46<jmc>unfortunately it doesn't come with an initscript already
07:47<locklace>jmc: the script can be as simple as "/usr/bin/festival &" or whatever
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07:48<groulder>it did give me a warning
07:48<groulder>but i didn't believe it
07:48<groulder>now i do.
07:48<jmc>it's festival --server, but I don't want to mix my initscripts with Debian ones
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07:48<jmc>I'll stick with the rc.local
07:49<ml|>groulder: ah, a true believer :)
07:49<ml|>jmc: why run it when starting X
07:50<bremner>heh, skepticism has its limits as a practical strategy
07:50<ml|>if it's an X app
07:50<jmc>no it's not
07:50<jmc>it's a TTS server
07:51<jmc>I tell him "say hello world"
07:52<jmc>and I can hear him say "hello world"
07:52<ml|>bremner: that won't happen to groulder again i think ;)
07:52<ml|>jmc: ah
07:52<jmc>lunch time
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07:56<TonyTone17>Does anyone know why .htaccess files are not included in 'zip -r *' ?
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07:56<locklace>TonyTone17: type "echo *"
07:57<weasel>TonyTone17: * does not match dotfiles
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07:58<TonyTone17>so would i have to type *.* ?
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08:00<TonyTone17>sweet that works, thanks guys
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08:01<weasel>Eulex: erm.
08:01<weasel>Eulex: .* matches .. also.
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08:01<Eulex>ah yeah
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08:02<Eulex>tho he left...
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08:02<weasel>for instance.
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08:10<locklace>zsh expansion actually never matches . or ..
08:11<weasel>never is a strong word
08:11<weasel>knowing zsh that's a setopt like everything else.
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08:12<locklace>"man zshexpn" under FILENAME GENERATION: "No filename generation pattern matches the files '.' or '..'."
08:12<ml|>yeah . .. don't expand here
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08:13<ml|>unless typed of course
08:13<locklace>the reason there isn't an option for it is because it's never what you want
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08:14<ml|>it's not hard to type . :)
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08:59<dpkg>Test Failed.
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09:04<mazze2>I've a big problem upgrading from dbmail-1.2.10 to dbmail-2.2.10. I also saw, that there is a registered #dbmail on; how could I ask for help there, as I'm not a CHANOP on its access list?
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09:09<cerpin>i created a .deb package with make-kpkg with the option --initrd but there is no initrd.img in the boot directory. are there more steps neccessary?
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09:13<ghantoos>cerpin: you should copy the hooks needed to generate the initrd
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09:13<ghantoos>cerpin: this should help you
09:14<melkart>i attempted to extend my logical volume for /home with "lvextend -L +5G /dev/desktop/debian_home". it tells me that the logical volume was successfully resized. but with "df" it is still listed with the old size. how can i extend it?
09:14<ghantoos>cerpin: no prb
09:15<mazze2>melkart you need to resize the FS afterwards, too
09:15<mazze2>melkart what FS do you use?
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09:15<melkart>ext3. can i do that while /home is mounted and in use?
09:15<gsimmons>melkart: Only if your filesystem has the resize_inode feature.
09:15<mazze2>melkart yes, you should be able to do this with ext2online
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09:16<mazze2>melkart or with resize2fs
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09:18<melkart>yippie, it worked :) thank you very much
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09:18<melkart>(was amazingly easy, too)
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09:20<abrotman>mazze2: did you put the errors in a pastebin?
09:20<mazze2>abrotman no, not yet. I didn't find somebody yet who could help me.
09:20<clef>why sound is 'zizi~~' when i play mms stream by mplayer
09:21<abrotman>mazze2: might be easier to find someone if they know what the actual problem is :)
09:21<mazze2>abrotman But of course I already digged for the error, and the problem seems to be that the SQL-upgrade-script wants to access/change things that are not availably in my dbmail-DB.
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09:22<mazze2>abrotman I would need somebody who knows something about the data model/structure inside the PostgreSQL-DB for DB-Mail, version 1.2.11 ...
09:24<gsimmons>mazze2: There's #dbmail on freenode, have you tried asking in there?
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09:24<abrotman>with five people
09:24<mazze2>gsimmons thanks for the hint, I tried not yet ... but now I am!
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09:46<yet1>hi, can you give me some repository where can I find firefox or mozilla browsers?
09:46<azeem>yet1: apt-get install iceweasel
09:46<dr|z3d>yet1: What distro?
09:46<yet1>debian lenny
09:47<abrotman>install iceweasel
09:47<dr|z3d>Well, IceWeasel is Firefox in all but name.
09:47<yet1>why it is IceWeasel?
09:47<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian from Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see and ask me about <d-s-a>.
09:47<dr|z3d>Trademark issues.
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09:47<yet1>ok, thank you.
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09:48<dr|z3d>Runs Firefox addons fine, does IceWeasel. So it's all good.
09:48<ml|>yup me too
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09:50<ml|>dpkg why iceweasel
09:50<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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10:12<tele4>hallo hase
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10:13<tele4>hallo hase
10:13<azeem>tele4: do you have a Debian question?
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10:30<monitor>tudo bem?
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10:36<Woet>my FTP server gets (randomly) attacked with lots of IP's connecting to it
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10:36<Woet>they don't actually try to authenticate, they just spam with connects
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10:36<Woet>i'm using vsftpd, even when i configure it to only allow 3 sessions per IP it lags a lot.
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10:40<dr|z3d>Woet: Maybe there's a vilnerability they're targetting.
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10:44<abrotman>Woet: it's FTP .. what did you expect?
10:44<weasel>might as well be running telnet or rlogin
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10:46<bremner>would random connects to sshd be better?
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10:49<symubu>hi guys, could you help me with getting xmonad or ion3 to work? I'm curious about taking a look at tiling window managers
10:49<symubu>I'm a total newb, web instructions are not helping
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10:50<locklace>symubu: have you read the documentation for those programs
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10:51<symubu>I followed the steps for installing xmonad as well as ion3
10:51<steffan>Hello. I'm attempting to install libsqlite0 libdbd-sqlite-perl using apt-get. I'm getting an error on libdbd-sqlite-perl 'Package libdbd-sqlite-perl is not available, but is referred to by another package.'.
10:51<symubu>basically copy pasting the apt-get commands into the terminal
10:52<locklace>symubu: so you haven't read the documentation for those programs
10:52<symubu>the instructions say you should logoff and then you will have an option to start with xmonad, but there is no such option after a logoff
10:52<symubu>locklace, I suppose not :) could you please give me the link that would help?
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10:53<locklace>!fgi symubu xmonad-documentation
10:53<locklace>!fgi symubu ion3-documentation
10:54<bja>symubu: also aptitude install ion3-doc
10:54<symubu> this doesn't help
10:55<bja>symubu: gdmgreet Sessions should give what you are looking for.
10:55<symubu>do I type that into terminal? (sorry, windows fag here)
10:55<bja>dpkg: seen fxiny
10:55<dpkg>fxiny <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20h 7m 43s ago, saying: 'links2 ?'.
10:56<bja>symubu: gdmgreet is your prety boot screen where you type in your name and pwd
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10:56<bja>bottom left Sessions pick there
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10:57<bja>symubu: if you are so windows fag then those two are not for you
10:57<symubu>bja, oh I see. It boots straight into the desktop for me though, no login screen
10:58<symubu>I'll try to logoff again, maybe there's something I missed
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11:24<TongueOfColicab>good morning people
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11:24<TongueOfColicab>i have a problem installing Vmware in my debian system
11:25<TongueOfColicab>i have posted the error here
11:25<TongueOfColicab>maybe someone can give me a hand
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11:26<azeem>TongueOfColicab: install gcc-4.1; export CC=gcc-4.1 before you run the installer
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11:28<TongueOfColicab>i have installed gcc-4.1
11:28<azeem>then do the second part
11:29<TongueOfColicab>just export CC=gcc-4.1 in console?
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11:30<sney>you can also use update-alternatives to set your gcc version
11:30<miguel>i have a tv connected to my pc to my nvidia card and ive chosen (nvidia: twinview: clone) but my monitor and tv resolution differ, and so i wonder how i can play movies with mplayer in fullscreen ON the tv?
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11:30<azeem>sney: gcc isn't governed by alternatives
11:31<TongueOfColicab>i did it but now ive another error
11:31<sney>it isn't? I was looking through the list yesterday and I thought I saw it. huh oh well
11:31<sney>miguel: in windows it's called Theatre Mode, does nvidia's linux package have a similar option?
11:31<Woet>GCC is just by nearly every package
11:31<Woet>changing the version will break everything
11:31<Woet>GCC is required by nearly every package **
11:32<TongueOfColicab>this is new error
11:32<cahoot>Woet: gcc?
11:32<azeem>TongueOfColicab: that's a problem with your kernel version
11:32<miguel>sney, : thx ill have a look
11:32<sney>well except you aren't compiling much in a default debian installation, woet. in fact by default gcc isn't even installed until you install build-essential
11:32<azeem>you need to patch vmware to support 2.6.26
11:32<Woet>sney: hmm, must be something else i was talking about
11:32<Woet>oh, i see
11:33<Woet>yea, nvm me
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11:33<sney>probably glibc
11:33<Woet>i was talking about glibc
11:33<azeem>cc is an alternative though
11:33<TongueOfColicab>that sound not so easy
11:33<azeem>TongueOfColicab: google "vmware nopage" or so
11:33<phiresky>i just tried to bootin into lenny on my powerbook g3 and it comes up with a ? mark flashing on a floppy disk what did i do wrong? won't do anything else
11:33<sney>oof, booting linux on a g3 mac
11:33<sney>I feel your pain phiresky
11:34<sney>it is hard. just keep tinkering
11:34<phiresky>all i had for extra space want to learn linux
11:34<phiresky>it was booting just fine yesterday
11:34<sney>does the powerbook have a floppy drive?
11:34<Woet>virtualbox on your desktop?
11:34<phiresky>ack has some kind of multi slot
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11:35<phiresky>currently a dvd/cd burner i don't have a floppy to put in it
11:35<sney>on g3 macs with a floppy drive you can make a miboot floppy disk and use that to boot the system when the normal ways don't work
11:35<phiresky>hmm but don't know why it won't boot it right now?
11:35<sney>no, but it's probably openfirmware's fault
11:35<TongueOfColicab>i have already get a patch
11:35<TongueOfColicab>going to try it
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11:36<phiresky>so i'm probably going to have to reload everything then?
11:36<sney>command-option-o-f is how you get to the openfirmware console, you can poke around in there and see if the default boot device got lost or something
11:36<TongueOfColicab>but how can i use this .patch file?
11:36<phiresky>sweet it's not the flashing disk
11:36<gsimmons>phiresky: Out of interest, did you resolve your previous zd1211 issue?
11:37<phiresky>nope lol
11:37<phiresky>gave up decided to try again today ordered some books through the library
11:37<phiresky>should be here in a few days
11:38<Zviper>TongueOfColicab: patch -p1 < path/to/file.patch
11:38<phiresky>so now what do i type in this command line....
11:38<sney>I don't remember
11:38<sney>look up an openfirmware guide online
11:38<sney>or maybe type "help"
11:39<phiresky>it just says help help is on
11:39<sney>google it then
11:39<sney>I don't have my mac anymore or I'd try to jog my memory
11:39<phiresky>i'll look around
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11:39<TongueOfColicab>trying to patch that way have another error
11:40<TongueOfColicab> patch -pl < /home/alexis/Desktop/vmware-1.0.7-kernel-2.6.26-compatibility.patch
11:40<TongueOfColicab>patch: **** strip count l is not a number
11:40<azeem>TongueOfColicab: one, not el
11:41<TongueOfColicab>not el?
11:41<azeem>the letter l
11:41<TongueOfColicab>ahh ok
11:42<phiresky>it says xboot but if i can't access xboot....
11:42<upsy>dinsport seems to be a spam bot
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11:43<TongueOfColicab>it shows some text and in the end ask for file to patch
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11:44<azeem>upsy: thanks
11:44<azeem>upsy: next time, use the "!ops: dinsport seems to be a spam bot" command
11:45<upsy>azeem: alright. I did consider it
11:46<bja>upsy: how did you spot it?
11:46<azeem>upsy just joined...
11:47<azeem>TongueOfColicab: you will have to locate#
11:47<azeem>TongueOfColicab: you will have to locatever.c 2008-09-21 16:46:30.000000000 +0200
11:47<upsy>the second I joined it sent me a private message
11:47<azeem>TongueOfColicab: you will have to locate vmmon-only/linux/driver.c
11:47<azeem>TongueOfColicab: probably you have to extract the vmmon.tar or so
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11:47<azeem>TongueOfColicab: patching vmware is messy
11:47<TongueOfColicab>uhh ok gonna try it now
11:48<ustun>what is the best way to make autocompletion work for aliases? ai for apt-get install for example
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11:58<phiresky>no luck i just can't figure out open firmware
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11:59<Rudi>Hello @ all
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12:01<bja>ustun: I use zsh but right now I'm too noob to advise on that, it does do a heck of a lot more autocompletion than bash, maybe you should try it
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12:02<Guest435>I have build yesterday a Debian Installer (Lenny) for Remote install with path to preseed.cfg build in /tmp/preseed.cfg. But I forgot to put preseed.cfg in. ... I set up grub to load debian installer from /boot/installer. there I have linux and initrd.gz. Will it be right that it is right when I put the preseed.cfg in same directory? in this cas /boot/installer?
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12:02<Guest435>Will The installer use it also when build in path is /tmp/preseed.cfg?
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12:03<ustun>bja: in fact I have done some documents, but they don't seem to work here on debian
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12:05<phiresky>any other ideas for trying to boot into linux from open firmware on powerbook g3
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12:06<azeem>phiresky: did you read the powerpc-specific install guide?
12:06<phiresky>where is it at
12:06<phiresky>i have not yet
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12:07<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.1) can be found at and for Etch (4.0r8) at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
12:09<phiresky>oh i'm not trying to install it it's already installed and it won't boot back into it today so i'm trying to re-mount the boot location and don't know how
12:09<TongueOfColicab>still trying to patch vmware without success =(
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12:11<azeem>phiresky: I understand, but making the system bootable is obviously part of the installation, so there might be some hints in there for you
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12:11<phiresky>alright i'll read through that then sorry very new to all of this so i'm still learning it
12:12<dpkg>powerpc is, like, a RISC microprocessor arch created by Apple-IBM-Motorola alliance(AIM) in 1991. Originally intended for workstations, PowerPC CPUs have since become popular embedded and high-performance processors as well. PowerPC was the cornerstone of AIM's PReP and Common Hardware Reference Platform initiatives in the 90s but the arch was most successful in the personal computer market in Apple's Power Macintosh line (2000). Ask me about ...
12:12<azeem>too long factoid
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12:13<bja>!powerpc part2
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12:14<dpkg>a RISC microprocessor arch created by Apple-IBM-Motorola alliance(AIM) in 1991. Originally intended for workstations, PowerPC CPUs have since become popular embedded and high-performance processors as well. PowerPC was the cornerstone of AIM's PReP and Common Hardware Reference Platform initiatives in the 90s but the arch was most successful in the personal computer market in Apple's Power Macintosh line (2000). Ask me about <debianppc>
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12:15<bja>much better
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12:26<awatt>hi all
12:26<awatt>how can i know which versions of a package are available to install
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12:26<awatt>any one?
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12:27<azeem>awatt: apt-cache policy <package>
12:27<petern>hmm, just installed ktechlab but it keeps crashing :/
12:27<awatt>azeem, thanks
12:27<archpollux>i'm trying to install nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx and it says this: dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.a.xlibmesa' with different file `/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a', not allowed
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12:28<azeem>archpollux: which version of Debian?
12:28<awatt>azeem, apt-get install xorg=1:7.4+1 is right?
12:28<archpollux>azeem: sid
12:28<azeem>archpollux: then check the bts
12:28<bja>archpollux: hope you are doing that from tty
12:28<azeem>awatt: it's a valid command; whether it makes sense for you I don't know
12:28<archpollux>bja: yes
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12:34<bja>archpollux: is X stopped?
12:34<archpollux>bja: don't worry about X, it's now running with nv and it's slow as balls
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12:35<archpollux>bja: i just stopped it
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12:38<bja>archpollux: retry
12:38<lucian>is there any type of antivitus/firewall aps for linux that would run in background?
12:38<archpollux>the bts only mentions the provides conflict
12:38<archpollux>bja: i did, same thing
12:39<azeem>lucian: firewalling is in the kernel
12:39<azeem>so pretty background by definition
12:39<archpollux>bja: are you sure that would make a difference on linux?
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12:39<lucian>so you dont need any of this on this OS
12:39<azeem>lucian: there are a couple of antivirus programs, and they all run in the background
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12:40<lucian>do you use any?
12:40<azeem>lucian: depends; if you're delivering mail for Windows users, you probably want an antivirus checker for it
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12:41<bja>archpollux: stoping X to fix debian usually is the standar procedure, so all modules associated with nvidia are downloaded and can be replaced
12:41<archpollux>bja: ok, well, it doesn't change anything in this case
12:41<bja>archpollux: although as azeem already stated the line is valid
12:42<archpollux>bja: what line?
12:42<bja>the one you putted above
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12:43<archpollux>bja: ok, what are you trying to say?
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12:45<lucian>then i have other q
12:45<lucian> is there a way to change the OS password?
12:45<azeem>lucian: there's no OS password
12:45<azeem>maybe you're thinking of the root password?
12:45<lucian> to change the pass
12:46<lucian> it's an user password
12:46<azeem>run "passwd"
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12:46<lucian>okthousen thx
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12:51<newkubuntuuser>sorry ..
12:51<newkubuntuuser>i installed stylz via aptitude under kubuntu jaunty
12:51<newkubuntuuser>i just got disconnected ....
12:51<azeem>newkubuntuuser: please ask #kubuntu on freenode
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12:57<miguel>what torrent client should i take? is tha original bittorrent okay, or should i also have a look at oter ones?
13:01<amphi>rtorrent is nice
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13:06<julioh>quien lo friza
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13:06<locklace>miguel: i like aria2. it does lots of things besides torrent too
13:07<tuxcrafter>i am creating a makefile for a new debian package and i am looking for an example how to instll all tranlsation LC_MESSAGES files to the correct location on the disc and be able to remove them
13:07<tuxcrafter>does somebody know an example makefile
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13:07<tuxcrafter>install --directory $(LC_MESSAGES)/* $(DESTDIR)/usr/share/locale/
13:07<tuxcrafter>something like that but that works :D
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13:08<tuxcrafter> /that/than something that does/
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13:11<lonesome>Hi guys, what debian distro will run well on my Intel core 2 duo, with 6gb ram
13:11<lonesome>(using it for hlds)
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13:12<lookinAround>mythbuntu - when installing with a 720p TV I don't get video after selecting Mythbuntu Live Environment.
13:12<lookinAround>Any recommendations?
13:12<lonesome>Intel IA-64?
13:12<Gathond>lonesome: mad64
13:12<Gathond>amd64 or x86_64 whatever they call it at the moment
13:12<craigevil>lonesome: amd64 debian or maybe sidux
13:12<lonesome>k thanks
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13:13<lonesome>but... x86 ? isn't that the same as 32 bit OS ?
13:13<bremner>!tell lookinAround -about ubuntu
13:13<Gathond>lonesome: not the _64 version
13:13<lonesome>k :)
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13:14<lookinAround>I should just start with ubuntu and install mythtv on it?
13:14<craigevil>lookinAround: ask in #ubuntu on freenode
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13:25<start_>whats a good pdf editor?
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13:26<cahoot>I doubt there is one (for linux)
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13:26<abrotman>not sure about 'good', but it exists
13:26<azeem>There's an OOo plugin/extension which reportedly can import PDFs for editing
13:27<dr|z3d>XaraLX may also be able to import PDF's.. it can, at least, export them.
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13:27<start_>thanks for the suggestions
13:28<start_>i'll try pdfedit
13:28<dr|z3d>If you like graphics, vector graphics sepcifically, don't be shy to try XaraLX, start_.. best of breed on Linux.
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13:29<bja>start_: pdftk is a good tool if you are messing with pdf files
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13:39<deniz>is there a command to see how long your computer wasn't shut down (=uptime)
13:39<SlimeyPete>yes. Just type "uptime"
13:39<amphi>deniz: uptime ;)
13:39<Gathond>deniz: yes and you have already written it in that sentence
13:39<bja>deniz: Have you tried uptime?
13:40<bja>We look like a firing squad :)
13:40<dr|z3d>deniz: If you're a desktop kinda guy, you might appreciate conky, also.
13:40<amphi>something of a pandemonium
13:40<deniz>lol thanks, and conky is GUI?
13:41<amphi>or gkrellm
13:41<dr|z3d>Yeah, conky is a lightweight system monitor.
13:41<dr|z3d>gkrellm is a bit heavier.
13:41<amphi>the moaning goat meter is heavier still ;)
13:42<deniz>k thanks for everything
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13:56<francesco>got a problem with ati
13:57<francesco>i use gpl ati driver on Debian SId
13:57<francesco>but by some week they stop work on 3d app (like kde4 kwin)
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13:57<francesco>and glxinfo say OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
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13:58<drakeman>Debian Rulez!
13:58<francesco>any idea ? or known bug
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13:59<francesco>i use gpl ati driver on Debian SId, but some week ago they stop work on 3d app (like kde4 kwin), my card is R350 based (9800 pro 128)
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14:00<Comanderxv>oh sry ... wrong terminal
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14:01<dr|z3d>!ops AAA _is_ being an asshat.
14:01<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: AAA _is_ being an asshat.
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14:01<abrotman>yay blocking tor!
14:01<francesco>i use gpl ati driver on Debian SId, but some week ago they stop work on 3d app (like kde4 kwin), my card is R350 based (9800 pro 128)
14:01<azeem>francesco: sid is not supported here
14:01<francesco>ok got go :)
14:02<azeem>if you want help, you should be more spefic than "stop work"
14:02<francesco>abrotman : so where can i ask ?
14:02-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
14:02-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*] by azeem
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14:02<Myon>francesco: if you want a stable system, use stable
14:02<francesco>glxinfo say OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
14:02<Myon>sid does break from time to time, that's life
14:02<francesco>azeen that is the problem
14:03<francesco>yes i know
14:03<azeem>why is that a problem?
14:03<francesco>sid is unstable
14:03<azeem>probably your kernel support has gone missing
14:03<francesco>cause it use software render
14:03<francesco>and not gpu
14:03<francesco>= slow
14:04<Myon>using unstable is kind of a promise to fix things yourself, and then send patches
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14:04<francesco>mmm i'll try with a differet kernel ... ok bye and thank u :)
14:04<francesco>Linux rules
14:04<edvardix>hello all
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14:04<edvardix>i have sam qestions
14:04<edvardix>who can help me???
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14:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:05<krazykit>edvardix, the point is to just ask the question.
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14:05<edvardix>how unicod system KDE 3.5 for Russian unicod (utf-8) ???
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14:06<edvardix>i use wine to emulate MS programs
14:06<bja>edvardix: tried the russian channel, utf-8 is kind of tricky specially with cyrillic
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14:07<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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14:38<eta>Hola, alguien puede ayudarme con virtual box?
14:38<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (, SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
14:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:45<Zath>Hi. Will the stable netinstall CD recognize an existing LVM setup with Debian and allow me to repair it?
14:46<stuckey_>Hello, I'm still having a problem with a scanner:
14:46<locklace>Zath: it may see the partition but it's not going to recognise anything on it
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14:48<Zath>hmm. Bummer
14:48<locklace>Zath: basically my suggestion in your case is to back up e.g. /etc and then do a clean reinstall. if you have like a /home then you can arrange that the installer doesn't overwrite it
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14:50<Zath> unfortunally more and more stuff gets into /var too these days. I have some tomcat stuff webstuff etc there too
14:50<Zath>and home is filled ofcourse
14:50<locklace>Zath: back up /etc and /var
14:50<Zath>I have 2 sets of 2 TB disks which are copies
14:50<Zath>*2 sets of 2 1 TB disks
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14:51<Zath>so I should be fine I suppose
14:51<Zath>just a lot of work, but what is more concerning to me: I have no idea how this happened
14:51<locklace>Zath: you don't need to back up all the package data in /var/apt/cache/archives
14:51<Zath>I know. Been using Debian over 10 years
14:52<locklace>yeah, things like that don't usually happen
14:53<Zath>1 time I had a dying sw raid1 with 2 dying disks. Now I am on hw raid, and I think this is a sw issue as SMART and the areca both say: 0 errors
14:53<locklace>you can still try to get dpkg/aptitude working manually and use them to reinstall your packages, but no idea why you were getting the elf header errors when trying to do that
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14:54<locklace>you also need working coreutils, tar, etc.
14:54<Zath>I have pleanty of them, both in 2.6.26-1 as in 2.6.26-2lenny3
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14:55<Zath>I manually also copied to /usr/bin coreutils, elfutils and some other stuff to try to make it work, but to no avail :-(
14:56<b43>i am helping a friend right now: and i want to know how to find out, iff a loaded kernel-modul (driver) is actually using the corresponding hardware-device?
14:56<locklace>does dpkg work
14:56<locklace>b43: you can look at dmesg output or the appropriate place in /proc or /sys. what is the actual driver
14:57<locklace>or should i take a wild guess that it's b43
14:57*kurumin is away: Gone away for now.
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14:57<locklace>!tell Van about away
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14:58<locklace>b43: cat /proc/net/wireless
14:58<Zath>I reconed I needed some compressiontools too. Let me check on dpkg, I would need to reboot. apt is not working
14:59<locklace>Zath: you need ar, tar, and gzip
14:59<b43>locklace: mm i made him do this, but it did not list the driver
14:59<Zath>aptitude had dependencies on lhz or something (would need to check)
14:59<locklace>b43: if it doesn't show a wireless interface there then sounds like the card is not detected
14:59<Vania>i don't understand about this crazy porgram
14:59<locklace>b43: but check dmesg output for lines for that driver
14:59<b43>locklace: the device is listed
15:00<locklace>b43: then great
15:00<Zath>aren't those in coreutils?
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15:00<Vania>core utils???
15:00<locklace>Zath: no. binutils, gzip, and tar packages respectively
15:00<b43>dmesg additionally reports: device found, driver loaded. lsmod lits b43 (which is indeed a driver for this kind of card) ...
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15:01<locklace>b43: so the driver thinks it's working
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15:01<stuckey>locklace: Drivers are thinking things now?
15:02<Vania>your talk grego to me
15:02<locklace>!confuse Vania
15:02<dpkg>Yes, what are their gerbil yesterday, Vania? Trousers of the Democracy of Tahiti with extra ham.
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15:02<b43>locklace: yeah actually i want to find a way to see IFF the module (driver) is in-charge on the hardware
15:03<locklace>b43: it is
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15:03<b43>locklace: thanks. and i can say it from lsmod?
15:03<Vania>i give up no want talk politic i not dump only dont know this program
15:03<locklace>b43: you can say it from the dmesg output
15:03<locklace>b43: or lspci -k
15:04<Vania>yes gigo ligo papua krenak amazon
15:04<stuckey> <-- Can anyone help me with this?
15:04<locklace>!tell Vania about br
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15:05<Vania>Brasil wiith sssss?
15:05*bja spots locklace on the distant with a keyboard on flames
15:05<bja>!beer locklace
15:05*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Yuengling Lager for locklace
15:05*locklace pours the beer onto the keyboard
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15:06<b43>wow! thanks for the lspci -k hint... thats a important thingy to know
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15:07<Vania>by friends my area is tourism and shows
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15:09<Vania>what chanel?
15:09<d4rkl0rd>hello, i have problem installing open-iscsi via apt-get, "Starting iSCSI initiator service: iscsid failed!"
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15:12<d4rkl0rd>is that a bug or what i am doing wrong?
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15:14<locklace>d4rkl0rd: you're just going to have to try to start it manually and see what, if anything, goes wrong
15:15<locklace>d4rkl0rd: "man iscsid", etc.
15:17<d4rkl0rd>locklace: manually i got the same failed error, and package remain unconfigured (apt-get -f install won't go through uit
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15:40<miguel>im trying to download a file with torrent (client: transmission), and there seem to be enough seeders and leechers, but for most of them i get the message: "We'd download from the peer if they'd let us" . i can not find out, what the reason might be...
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15:42<dr|z3d>miguel: Likely their client is "choked". It's normal.
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15:56<Zath>locklace, ELF header isseu is till there so apt does not work. DPKG does however. What did you have in mind?
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16:01<locklace>Zath: try using dpkg to (re)install aptitude and its depends manually
16:01<locklace>judd depends aptitude
16:01<judd>locklace: aptitude -- Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcwidget3, libept0 (>= 0.5.22), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libxapian15, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
16:02<Zath>I think I will have to reinstall those manually too otherwise I will walk into ELF header issues too
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16:02<Zath>I do not have them just on libapt*
16:02<Zath>but on more if not all libs
16:03<locklace>can you verify which of those are already good with debsums
16:03<Zath>I have x86_64 opn AMD64 installed. But the same issue on the other 2.6.26.-1 kernel. So I guess there is a loader issue somewhere
16:04<Zath>I installed debsums with dpkg. It depended on perl which Ii installed manually. Only issue now is with / dialog
16:05<Zath>so it fallsback on readline. So the interface will be rudimentary but I should be fine I guess
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16:05<Zath>libstdc++6 has the ELF header isseu too
16:06<Zath>and so is zlib
16:06<locklace>btw did you end up with much stuff in your lost+found directories after this happened?
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16:06<Zath>have not checked yet
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16:13<Zath>locklace, I suppose that all these are on the install CD? That way I can manually install those from the CD through dpkg I presume?
16:13<locklace>should be
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16:17<Zath>k. thanks again. reboor time again I guess
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16:31<pc-04>tudo bem
16:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:34<enouf>locklace: alternately to lspci -k i find lshal | grep driver semi-useful, followed by lshal | less to actually view _all_ the relevant info from the 1st grep
18:35<enouf>haha @ error: dbus_bus_get: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
18:35<enouf>i guess my DBUS is broken .,, rofl
18:35<enouf>screw dbus
18:35<skimp>whats a good simple bluetooth manager to dload, im using and eeepc trying to set it up to use my bluetooth mouse
18:36<dpkg>The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>. Mailing list: #debian-eeepc on
18:36<azeem>skimp: it doesn't work out of the box?
18:36<skimp>i didnt have debian out of the box
18:37<azeem>I mean, after you have installed Debian
18:37<skimp>now im on debian, and i have my bluetooth enabled
18:37<skimp>just like turn bluetooth on and use the mouth... no that doesnt work
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18:50<deniz>what is the current kernel in squeeze?
18:50<weasel>Linux and FreeBSD.
18:50<deniz>no i meant the version of the linux kernel
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18:51<deniz>and u dint mention hurd
18:51<azeem>(FreeBSD isn't in testing yet)
18:51<azeem>deniz: neither
18:51<deniz>if were actually asking that
18:51<abrotman>deniz: .26
18:51<locklace>judd kernel
18:51<judd>locklace: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-2-686 (2.6.29-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
18:51<skimp>azeem sry dc'd ... no i dont see a bluetooth manager on debian
18:51<skimp>i just went into bios and enabled bluetooth
18:51<skimp>how should i go about this..
18:51<azeem>sorry, dunno
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18:51<skimp>ahh my boyfriends not home! i need to get this working hehe
18:52<skimp>hmm ill just do some searches for a bluetooth manager i guess
18:52<deniz>judd, abrotman, thanks
18:52<judd>deniz: Error: "abrotman," is not a valid command.
18:52<azeem>skimp: I'm not sure what you are looking for
18:52<skimp>a way to get my wireless mouse working!
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18:53<deniz>judd, wat? abrotman is a username not a command
18:53<judd>deniz: Error: "wat?" is not a valid command.
18:53<abrotman>deniz: judd is a bot
18:53<ml|>deniz: judd is a bot
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18:54<deniz>ooooo lol
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18:59<skimp>im running gnome, and cant find a bluetooth manager.. trying to get my bluetooth mouse connected. anyone able to help? linux noobie!
18:59<dr|z3d>skimp: apt-cache search bluez
19:00<dr|z3d>That will show you bluetooth related stuff you can install.
19:00<dr|z3d>Otherwise, feel free to acquaint yourself with your gnome menu. You have plenty of time :) No hurry.
19:00<azeem>skimp: apt-get install gnome-bluetooth, maybe
19:01<azeem>though really, AFAIK should bluetooth input devices just work[tm]
19:01<skimp>k doing that azeem
19:01<skimp>i thought it would just work also
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19:03<skimp>gnome-bluetooth just added a bluetooth file transfer app
19:03<skimp>so that doesnt work
19:03<skimp>its a regular logitech bluetooth mouse, i thought with bluetooth enabled i could just turn the mouse on and have it work!
19:03<azeem>as I said, there is no such thing as a "bluetooth manager", really
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19:04<azeem>skimp: maybe you need to pair it
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19:04<azeem>skimp: really, I suggest trying to google for general "linux bluetooth mouse" advice or so
19:04<skimp>dont know how to do that.. boyfriend might but hes gone for the week
19:05<dr|z3d>skimp: apt-cache search bluez
19:05<dr|z3d>Did you do that from a command line?
19:05<skimp>yea im looking now
19:05<skimp>bluez-gnome - bluetooth utilities for gnome
19:05<skimp>bluez-utils bluetooth tools and daemons
19:06<Yesu>i need some assistance: I am trying to run Call of Duty 4 through wine, but am not sure why it is not working. I will run it through terminal and provide a link with the results if anyone can help me
19:06<skimp>bts scanner - ncurses bases scanner for bluetooth devices
19:06<skimp>bluez firmware - firmware mfor bluetooth devices
19:06<skimp>and thats bout it
19:06<skimp>dr|z3d : maybe the firmware ?
19:07<dr|z3d>skimp: try aptitude install <the first two packages you mentioned>
19:07<ml|>nluez looks like that should work
19:07<dr|z3d>And sure, that also.
19:07<skimp>ml| which one?
19:07<dr|z3d>bluez might be the metapackage?
19:07<skimp>going to do the first two
19:08<azeem>skimp: well, I assumed you had the usual bluez stuff already installed
19:08<ml|>This package contains tools and system daemons for using Bluetooth devices.
19:08<dr|z3d>do bluez also.
19:08<dr|z3d>That may be a "metapackage" that pulls in a whole bunch of stuff.
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19:09<dr|z3d>No harm in installing more than you need, anyways.
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19:09<dr|z3d>Unlike Windows, Linux doesn't get bloated down if you install stuff.
19:09<Yesu>how do i access the wine c: through terminal?
19:10<dr|z3d>Yesu: type: wine
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19:10<dr|z3d>Oh. you mean where's the drive at?
19:10<Yesu>dr|z3d, it immediately ask me for parameters;
19:10<dr|z3d>In ~/.something
19:10<dr|z3d>Have a look, make sure you have hidden files visible.
19:10<dr|z3d>Yeah, sorry, I thought you wanted to run wine.
19:11<Yesu>ahh ok
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19:11<skimp>just installed bluez-gnome ... it added a bluetooth to my preferences list
19:11<dr|z3d>Your c: partition's in your homefolder.
19:11<skimp>but not seeing the mouse on it
19:11<skimp>let me install some more
19:11<Yesu>i got it
19:11<Yesu>its cd ~./wine
19:11<dr|z3d>Yesu: Try: locate *.exe
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19:11<narcan>dr|z3d: I think under .wine/
19:11<toto>sorry for my english...¿help me?
19:11*dr|z3d nods.
19:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:12<dr|z3d>de nada
19:12<dpkg>hmm... ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on
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19:12*dr|z3d chuckles.
19:12<dr|z3d>Argentinians speak Spanish, ml| ;)
19:13<ml|>dr|z3d: yes but they have thier own channel ;)
19:13<dr|z3d>Nonetheless, never noticed they had their own channel.
19:13*dr|z3d chuckles.
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19:13<dr|z3d>Their factoid seems a bit lacking, though.
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19:14<ml|>well ar means more than that so...
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19:15<noousr>last thing i remember doing was adding backports to my repos and installing 2.6.29???bpo***
19:15<noousr>cant boot my system now
19:15<ml|>boot with old kernel
19:16<noousr>dont thing i ever finished installing or got around to it now that i think about it. new kernel is not in grub
19:16<noousr>so scratch that
19:16<noousr>still cant get into system though
19:16<Yesu>i cannot get cod4 to run under wine for some reason. The output of terminal when I run it through terminal is posted here if anyone can help:
19:17<noousr>boot hangs and then nothing. still accepts keyboard input.
19:17<noousr>yesu : have you checked what happened to other people on winedb?
19:17<noousr>and freenode has a wine channel as well
19:17<ml|>noousr: what did you do before you had this problem
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19:17<Yesu>nah, i have never really used wine before
19:17<Yesu>but i'll check there, thanks
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19:18<ml|>#winehq on
19:18<noousr>ml|: only two things i remember. installing usplash and i thought i was installing 2.6.29 but guess i never got around to it cause it's not in grubs menu
19:20<noousr>problem is it's an encrypted fs so that makes fixing very hard.
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19:25<johnfg>hey folks
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19:25<johnfg>What program do you use for burning cds/dvds on lenny?
19:25<johnfg>I'm used to k3b and xcdroast, but wondered what's the choice on lenny?
19:26<johnfg>Nevermind, just found out that the same as gnome in fedora (duh!), just right click, then select write to disk. Oy! What a noodlehead!
19:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 388] by debhelper
19:28<ml|>there are many use apt-cache search and use what you like if that doesn't work for you
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19:35<noousr>hey. possible to install debian using only a floppy drive?
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19:36<dr|z3d>Possible, sure, though a net install is better.
19:36<@Ganneff>im sure one can manage this somehow. but its easier to jump from a skyscraper
19:36<dpkg>[bf] Boot floppies are Debian Installer images written to floppy disk(s), then used to install a Debian system. Not available for Lenny, ask me about <errata>. For Etch, ask me about <etch floppies>.
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19:40<johnfg>hi folks
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19:41<johnfg>You helped before with qemu, and now, I'm trying to figure out how to use an image on cd/dvd vs. an image on the hard drive.
19:41<johnfg>Here's the command I tried;
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19:42<johnfg>qemu -hda opensolaris.img -cdrom osol-0906-x86.iso -boot c -m 256.
19:42<noousr>dr|z3d: i meant a floppy drive and an internet connectino
19:43<dr|z3d>noousr: Sure, that's doable.
19:43<dr|z3d>Installing Debian in its entirety from floppy is what we were advising against :)
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19:51<gsimmons>johnfg: As in, use of the host's CD-ROM? "-cdrom /dev/cdrom" (etc)
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19:53<lonesome>Wich of the debian distros support Intel Dual-Core E5200 ? :O lost the link to where it was stated..
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19:53<ml|>i386 or amd64
19:54<lonesome>so amd64 if i'm going to run with 6gb of ram i guess
19:54<lonesome>k ty :)
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19:58<noousr>i'm trying to use gparted to create a ntfs filesystem but the ntfs option is grayed out. yes i have ntfs-3g installed
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19:58<abrotman>the i386 works with >4GB also
19:59<ml|>but not as good
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20:06<deniz>is that "something dependency" boot with debian squeeze what ubuntu calls "less than 10 second boot"?
20:10<dr|z3d>deniz: Can you rephrase the question please? :)
20:10<dr|z3d>!confuse deniz
20:10<dpkg>Yes, them is your pants today, deniz? Wellies of the People's Republic of Tibet with extra crabpaste.
20:11<deniz>dr|z3d, lol well basically; does debian squeeze also have a less than 10 second boot release goal?
20:11<dr|z3d>Not explicitly.
20:11<deniz>what do u mean?
20:11<ml|>don't think so
20:12<dr|z3d>It will benefit from changes upstream, but it's not a Debian mantra, currently.
20:12<dr|z3d>Changes taking place in the kernel are significantly affecting bootime, currently.
20:13<dr|z3d>That's only going to get better over time.
20:13<deniz>so for ubuntu to get that 10 sec boot, they need to contribute work to kernel?
20:13<shanepardue>dr|z3d: On 2.6.29, it still takes quite awhile to boot on a fresh debian install though
20:13<dr|z3d>2.6.29+ is getting quite fast already.
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20:13<blarson>And some debian people have been working on speeding up boot, but no specific time goal. (and it depends on hardware/installed packages.)
20:14<ml|>you can do it your self a little bit by using readahead, switching to dash, and remove unneeded stuff at boot
20:14<dr|z3d>shanepardue: Sure, point is, the difference is noticable. A good 10-15 seconds on an old rig I have here.
20:14<SkyNET>debian es
20:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:14<shanepardue>dr|z3d: gotcha.
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20:15<SkyNET>help me !
20:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:16<shanepardue>Since #debian-x is slow responding, I have a question someone in here might be able to help with...
20:16<shanepardue>I am running sid with KDE, but am unable to get my synaptics touchpad to enable tapping. Here is my xorg.
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20:17<ml|>shanepardue: you can also try #debian-kde
20:18<shanepardue>ml|: Okiedokie!
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20:54<deniz>is there a GUI application for lenny that can disable tapping with my touchpad mouse
20:54<shanepardue>deniz: gsynaptics
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20:56<deniz>shanepardue, k, thanks ill check it out later :)
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20:56<shanepardue>deniz: np..I'm trying to figure out how to get tapping working on my machine. gsynaptics and KDE seem to be conflicting
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21:18<joe__>is there a way to get the extra buttons on my microsoft reclusa keyboard to work in X ?
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22:03<TehFlash>could some one explain to me how to install java jdk and java jre
22:05<Pitxyoki>apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jre
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22:15<noousr>can i just take a formatted hard disk. put the correct files onto it and have it boot an installer that can finish the job?
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22:55<badeagle>why is mm appended to the names of C++ wrappers of C libraries?
22:55<badeagle>what does 'mm' mean?
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22:58<xjjk>badeagle: er, what libraries in particular? AFAIK only gtk C++ wrappers do that
22:58<xjjk>gtkmm, etc
22:58<xjjk>badeagle: AFAIK it stands for "minus minus", it's supposed to be a joke
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22:58<badeagle>lol omg
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22:59<r3tt3q>hola a todos
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23:18<edbian>How do you use dsniff? I am reading the man pages and having trouble figuring things out.
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