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---Logopened Tue Jun 16 00:00:15 2009
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00:00<johnfg>So, my question is: I know I don't need all that space either in the /opt or /usr/local partitions(actually /dev/sda8 and /dev/sda9. Can I shrink one of them and make a new partition?
00:00<johnfg>Or could I rename one of them?
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00:02<dr|z3d>johnfg: You probably can, sure, but leave _some_ space for expansion.
00:02<dr|z3d>johnfg: Sounds like you'd be better off with a root partition and a home partition.. just a thought.
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00:13<johnfg>dr|z3d, Did you mean those only? I do have separate partitions for / and /home.
00:13<dr|z3d>johnfg: Yeah, / and /home should normally be sufficient.
00:13<dr|z3d>As partitions, that is.
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00:14<johnfg>Right, although I have at present for debian lenny, /boot, /, /home, /var, /opt and /usr/local all as separate partitions.
00:15<johnfg>I have less partitions on my fedora system.
00:15<dr|z3d>johnfg: Sure, I got that part. I'm saying that's overkill.
00:15<dr|z3d>How you reintegrate /var /opt and /usr/local back into your root partition I couldn't tell you.
00:16<johnfg>dr|z3d, np, I just shrunk one of them and will use the unallocated space to create a new partition to be mounted on /vicepa/.
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00:17<johnfg>dr|z3d, Have you done anything with openAFS?
00:17<dr|z3d>johnfg: I confess not.
00:17<dr|z3d>That's a "no" :)
00:18<johnfg>dr|z3d, btw, if you aren't familiar with gparted for working with your disks/partitions, it's a really cool tool.
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00:18<dr|z3d>johnfg: I'm familiar, but thanks. :)
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01:06<fenix>do you speak portuguese?
01:06<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
01:06<fenix>blarson, where are you from?
01:07<fenix>answer me!
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01:09<twb>Consider the case where I am preparing a rescue USB key.
01:09<twb>It boots on a machine with six NICs.
01:09<twb>I want it to try to DHCP on all of them, but I want it to happen in parallel, rather than in series.
01:10<twb>Because if only one of the NICs is cabled (as is usually the case), bootup will be delayed while each of the other NICs time out in series.
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01:15<jm_>yes, that's pretty annoying - I hate DHCP for that reason
01:16<blarson>twb: That might cause race conditions if multiple dhcp servers give you default routes or dns servers.
01:17<dr|z3d>blarson: Should be fine, no? Each nic gets a different ip.
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01:18<twb>dr|z3d: they fight for resolv.conf if they're plugged into different networks
01:18<blarson>twb: but just set "noauto" on all the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces and add a script that does an ifconfig eth? up and dhclient eth? for each
01:18<dr|z3d>Ah, different networks. Gotcha.
01:18<twb>blarson: that's plan B
01:18<twb>Basically I want to avoid making another knoppix ;-P
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02:51<debam>hi to all, i am using 2.6.22 kernel on top of old lenny.ethernet card driver is not working or not present for marvell technology PCI-E fast ehternet 88E8040
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02:52<debam>i have sky2 after doing modprobe sky2 also it is not detecting device
02:52<jm_>what's its PCI ID?
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02:56<debam>jm_ 11ab:4354
02:56<debam>jm_ shows driver is sky2
02:57<jm_>debam: yes, so check what the driver says when you load it
02:58<debam>jm_ no error or warning it got inserted properly
02:59<debam>jm_ lsmod shows ...sky2 39940 0
02:59<jm_>debam: so what makes you think it doesn't work?
02:59<debam>jm_ i am not sure.
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03:00<debam>jm_ after inserting sky2 ethernet card has to be detected ..but it is not getting detected using sky2
03:00<jm_>debam: has to be detected by what?
03:01<debam>jm_ has to be detected by sky2 driver.
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03:01<jm_>debam: what makes you think it isn't?
03:02<debam>jm_ may be driver issue
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03:02<jm_>debam: I still have no idea what your problem actually is
03:03<debam>jm_ i am not able use my ehternet card device.
03:03<debam>it is not detected
03:03<debam>because of driver problem
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03:03<jm_>debam: how do you know it's not detected? you haven't actually shown anything so far - did you do ls /sys/class/net to start with?
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03:04<debam>jm_ ls /sys/class/net/ showing 3 folder ath0 lo wifi0
03:05<debam>ath0 and wifi0 is wireless card
03:05<jm_>debam: right, in that case I would expect sky2 driver to say something - it does have a lot of error messages
03:07<jm_>but there were a lot of fixes for sky2 driver since 2.6.22, you really should upgrade
03:07<debam>jm_ is there any way to just upgrade driver not complete kernel?
03:08<jm_>debam: in theory yes, but with so many changes in the kernel it's not trivial to backport it
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03:08<debam>jm_ how to do this i like to test.
03:09<jm_>debam: you will fail if you don't know what this means
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03:10<debam>jm_: if it compiled well then its ok so i like to try please guide me how to do..steps this can be useful to me later
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03:10<debam>some driver upgradation
03:10<jm_>debam: it won't compile, that's what I am trying to explain
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03:15<debam>jm_ while booting it always ask youu passed undefined number mode to avoid this
03:16<jm_>debam: specify a number it knows
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03:17<debam>jm_ is any way to pass as a kernel parameter
03:17<jm_>debam: yeah, vga=
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03:19<debam>jm_ currently i have given vga=791
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03:21<jm_>debam: it might be your card doesn't support this mode
03:23<debam>jm_ my graphics controller is intel 945GME express integrated controller
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03:24<jm_>debam: is it a custom kernel?
03:24<debam>jm_ yes
03:24<jm_>debam: maybe you're missing the right kernel options too
03:25<debam>jm_ example which may be that?
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03:25<debam>what normally required parameter?
03:25<shiznatix>Hello. I seam to be having troubles with iceweasel reading compressed css/javascript in 1 file. Even the beta chrome can read these pages fine but with iceweasel the css and javascript are just not run at all and I just get the standard black text with no style. Is there a way to fix this?
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03:26<jm_>debam: vesafb support
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03:32<simonrvn>shiznatix: check the headers sent by the browser, it should include gzip, deflate, and bzip2 (at the very least gzip). if you don't see that/those, then i'd start looking bug reports, or checking about:config .
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03:35<simonrvn>looking at*
03:36<shiznatix>simonrvn, I checked and get a "Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate" and content-encoding: gzip. Not sure what to do with those though
03:36<twb>simonrvn: I think he's saying that he's actually storing css.gz on his webserver, and trying to include the .gz file directly in his <style> tag.
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03:40<shiznatix>its actually a php app that I am trying to get running. It sends all the content in 1 request as gzip or something but iceweasel can't handle it while firefox on windows and chrome on linux can
03:41<jm_>iceweasel can definitely handle gzipped content just fine
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03:44<simonrvn>jm_: which is why i'm finding it weird..
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03:45<simonrvn>shiznatix: it means what jm_ said, it supports those
03:45<shiznatix>yes yes
03:45<jm_>simonrvn: the whole thing sounds like a nono to me - what if a user visits it with a browser which doesn't support such encodings
03:45<shiznatix>its an admin section for a banner management thing so that I am not worried about. i am more worried about me being able to manage it from my browser
03:46<simonrvn>usually it's set bt the server... the daemon will use the supported compression method that's been nego'd
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03:46<shiznatix>I looked on the forums for this app and quite a few other people have this same problem with debian iceweasel
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03:47<jm_>yeah browser and server negotiate it
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03:47<simonrvn>various servers support deflate or gzip as processors
03:47<simonrvn>(or both)
03:48<shiznatix>but why would the exact same code work on chrome and not work on iceweasel on the same computer requesting the same data from the same server?
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03:50<jm_>how would I know, perhaps you're visiting it via a proxy or somesuch
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03:52<simonrvn>seems to me khtml and gecko handle it differnetly..
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03:53<simonrvn>yes, ty
03:55<jm_>you can easily see what browser sends using httpfox for example
03:55<jm_>and what server returns too
03:57<simonrvn>or firebug
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03:57<JoeK>does anybody know an easy to configure proxy(http,socks4, or socks5) ?
03:58<shiznatix>but what exactly am I looking for? I believe it returns gzip (it only does 1 file when I check the headers sent and recieved instead of requesting the css separatly as well)
04:00<jm_>see what browser sends in Accept and Acept-Encoding
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04:03<clarence>how to make a desktop environment?
04:04<clarence>I want to use LFS to make a new Linux distrobution
04:04<jm_>try to ask in LFS related channel then
04:04<jm_>JoeK: no not anybody does
04:05<clarence>in that book
04:05<clarence>it said prepare a desktop environment what you want to install
04:06<clarence>but I want to make a new
04:06<clarence>A new desktop environment
04:09<chealer>clarence: ask somewhere else. this is a Debian support channel
04:09<clarence>sometimes I want to shutdown
04:09<clarence>the shutdown menu was no responsing
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05:52<snogglethorpe>incidentally, what's the package you need to install to get a "shutdown" menu item in the gnome panel menu..?
05:52<snogglethorpe>i used to have one, but it disappeared at some tpoint, and i'm not sure why
05:53<jm_>try System -> Administration -> Login Window
05:53<jm_>or maybe not, this seems to affect gdm
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05:54<De[v]il>snogglethorpe ïðèâåò!
05:54<twb>snogglethorpe: gnome-power-manager, probabl
05:54<twb>snogglethorpe: but note that in EVERY BLOODY RELEASE gnome likes to rearrange the menu structure completely
05:55<twb>I long ago gave up trying to find gnome-terminal in the menu
05:55<twb>Now I just do Alt + F2 bash Alt + t RET
05:55<De[v]il>twb çäàðîâà
05:55<snogglethorpe>i guess i uninstalled it because gnome "tweak global settings" usualyl just seem to fuck things up
05:55<twb>!tell De[v]il about English
05:56<De[v]il>twb what country do you come from?
05:56<twb>De[v]il: no comment.
05:57<De[v]il>twb i from russia
05:57<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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06:08<tecpatl>im new but really new on this sys
06:08<kripz>Im trying to patch (RT patch) and compile but it keeps looping around in circles, am i doing something wrong?
06:08<tecpatl>as new as im not able to install firefox
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06:09<jm_>tecpatl: it's called iceweasel
06:10<jm_>kripz: noticed clock skew messages?
06:10<tecpatl>but it's doesn ha the same performance, i think
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06:10<kripz>jm_, yeah i did but i dont know what it means or how to fix it.
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06:10<jm_>kripz: it means something's wrong with your clock
06:10<locklace>kripz: you can use touch(1) to manually set the timestamps on the files it's complaining about if necessary
06:11<kripz>date just returned a weird date time, ill set that first then give it another go.
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06:12<locklace>kripz: also consider installing ntpdate
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06:18<tecpatl>ok thanks deb-experts
06:18<tecpatl>see you soon
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06:20<rostayob>What's the simplest way to limit the amout of bandwidth going trough a range of ports?
06:21<weasel>iptables DROP/REJECT
06:21<weasel>that's quite coarse tho.
06:21<rostayob>I my case I want to limit the upload bandwidth 8000:8400 to 2000kbit/s
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06:22<kripz>locklace, jm_, time was incorrect, installed ntpd and now its compiling fine. thanks.
06:23<rostayob>weasel: could you explain better?
06:23<weasel>rostayob: you are looking for the LARTC howto
06:24<rostayob>actually I've already looked in the lartc, but things aren't really clear to me...
06:24<rostayob>the fact is that I don't want rate limiting
06:24<weasel>you just said you did
06:24<rostayob>I just want to keep the bandwidth under a certain number
06:25<weasel>and what's the difference, pray tell?
06:25<locklace>!win rostayob
06:25<dpkg>Congratulations, rostayob! You have won the US presidency!
06:25<rostayob>I remeber some difference
06:25<weasel>rostayob: I think you are describing exactly what rate limiting is about.
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06:26<weasel>rate limiting limits the data rate.
06:26<weasel>bandwidth is just a wrong term for data rate.
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06:26<weasel>one that everybody uses and understands, but still technically quite wrong :)
06:26<rostayob>It is important to observe that rate limiting is conceptually different from bandwidth throttling/limiting; a bandwidth-throttled connection will queue packets and limit the rate at which they are transmitted/received. Rate limiting will not do this; when you use rate limiting on, for example, incoming TCP connection attempts to your identd, and connections exceeding the specified limit will be denied; there is no queueing of packets.
06:27<weasel>unless you really want to limit bandwith, in which case you probably need some band filters and other frequency stuff which I have no clue about
06:27<locklace>rostayob: where did you get that text? that's utter crap
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06:28<weasel>regarding that
06:28<locklace>rostayob: the correct distinction is between traffic-shaping and traffic-policing
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06:29<weasel>rostayob: just assume for now that traffic shaping is what you want.
06:29<weasel>rostayob: and go read the LARTC howto.
06:29<weasel>and it will not be "simple". this thing's hairy as hell, but it does work once set up correctly
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06:30<rostayob>ok, then I'm afraid I don't have the time to do that now
06:30<Supaplex>weasel: just think, that's a clever way to say "rostayob could recode tools to make this easier" :)
06:31<Supaplex>someday perhaps I will, but it's not on my calendar right now.
06:31<rostayob>I just tought something like trickle exists, but for ports
06:31<locklace>i'm scared to even look at how linux tries to implement those things
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06:31<Supaplex>I have too much blood in my caffination system.
06:32<locklace>!coffee Supaplex
06:32*dpkg decants a fine mug of hippy-blend Colombian for Supaplex, courtesy of locklace
06:32<Supaplex>tried that. I'm immune now.
06:33<rostayob>weasel: so the definitife answer to "Can I do that with a single command" is "No"?
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06:33<locklace>you could try zipfizz
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06:33<Supaplex>does a one liner count? ;)
06:34<locklace>rostayob: you can do it with a single command. it's just going to be a fucking huge command
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06:34<weasel>rostayob: there might exist wrappers, but in the end it'll all run tc in combination with ip/iptables.
06:34<rostayob>ok a "reasonably short" command lol
06:34<kripz>anybody had any experience with converting DVD's to mkv/avi on a headless machine? mencoder?
06:34<weasel>it's probably not rocket science
06:34<weasel>but you will have to understand what you are doing.
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06:34<weasel>I'm not going to help you shoot your foot off without you trying to understand what kind of gun you're actually holding there
06:34<Supaplex>screw rockets. have you ever done binary math for networking in your head?
06:35<weasel>yes, rockets are harder I think.
06:35<rostayob>weasel: ooooook
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06:35<Supaplex>gravity, acceleration, yeaddi yeaddi stuff.
06:35<weasel>rostayob: go read the howto like you've been told 15 minutes ago
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06:36<jm_>kripz: dvdrip
06:36<rostayob>weasel: I reall don't have the time to study iptables now. I'll do that in another moment
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06:36<weasel>rostayob: ok.
06:36<kripz>jm_, looks like it has a gui, GTK+
06:36<jm_>kripz: sure, ssh -x to the rescue
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06:37<locklace>Supaplex: how about, true or false: a_1,...,a_n in Z^n are linearly independent over Z <=> they're independent over R
06:37<locklace>Supaplex: that's a fun thing to do in your head
06:37<Supaplex>vmware torked me off today. my suspended guest tried to renew dhcp, and apparently the update threw the networking into a different subnet, so all my scripts and stuff needed adjustment.
06:38<Supaplex>locklace: simple. I'd google it. ;)
06:38<locklace>that's no fun at all
06:39<Supaplex>I'll take your word for it
06:39<weasel>locklace: is that really a <=>?
06:39<locklace>weasel: that's the question
06:40<Supaplex>!nuke that formula
06:40*dpkg fires an 80 petaton thermonuclear weapon at that formula
06:41<Supaplex>oops. it's gone man. simply gone.
06:41<weasel>oh. that's just a vector space over plain old Z, nothing with modulo groups
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06:41<locklace>weasel: yep, straight linear algebra
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06:41<locklace>Supaplex: if you don't like that one, we could do, show that a basis for a banach space of infinite dimension is uncountable
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06:42<Supaplex>well, I'm so tired, everything you said past "show that a" is Charlie Browns' teacher speaking. %-)
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06:43*Supaplex turns the kvm off for the night
06:43<locklace>but it will infect your dreams
06:43<weasel>locklace: so, all the scalars need to be out of Z too?
06:43<weasel>or may they be in R?
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06:44<rostayob>weasel: I think I found something anyway...
06:44<twb>What is this, #math?
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06:45<locklace>weasel: well you're looking at n integer-valued vectors, and asking about their independence over Z (integer scalars) and over R (real scalars)
06:45<weasel>and aren't vector spaces defined over _fields_? and Z isn't quite one
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06:45<kripz>Finally got the kernel to begin compiling, now getting errors regarding encryptfs:
06:46<locklace>weasel: technically yes; a "vector space" over a ring like Z is called a module; and additive abelian groups are "the same things" as Z-modules
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06:46<twb>kripz: have you already been told not to compile kernels?
06:46<locklace>but none of that matters for this question
06:46<kripz>twb, what?
06:47<locklace>kripz: you broke it
06:47<weasel>locklace: how do you define linear independence over integers anyway. there'll hardly be integers lambda_i \in Z such that \sum lambda_i * v_i = 0.
06:47<twb>Hmm, let's see if I can guess the dpkg entry
06:48<locklace>weasel: same definition. the vectors a_1,...,a_n are linearly independent (over K) if there are elements k_1,...,k_n of K, not all zero, such that k_1 a_1 + ... + k_n a_n = 0
06:48<twb>kripz: in short: there are legitimate reasons to recompile a kernel, but most people try to do so for silly reasons.
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06:48<weasel>locklace: so, K being Z means that for instance (2) and (3) are linear independent.
06:49<kripz>twb, trying to set it to 1000hz and remove crap from it. also for educational purposes.
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06:50<twb>kripz: "remove crap from it" is a really dumb reason, unless you're doing embedded work.
06:50<twb>kripz: pedagogy is a good reason, for which reading LFS is probably a good entry point.
06:50<dpkg>i guess lfs is large file support --, or ask me about <linux from scratch>, or the Log-structured File System in NetBSD
06:50<locklace>weasel: the question is: is it true that a_1,...,a_n are l.i. over Z <=> they're l.i. over R? one direction is trivial
06:50<twb>!linux from scratch
06:50<dpkg>i heard linux from scratch is uber cool,, or #lfs-support at
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06:52<twb>kripz: the process for building a kernel correctly for Debian doesn't involve running "make" directly; rather you ought to use Debian-specific build infrastructure. This makes it less useful for study purposes.
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06:57<dpkg>hmm... make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
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07:06<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:06<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:30<heuk>there are 30 debian CD images (???) , which one has the gnome desktop package on it?
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07:30<dr|z3d>heuk: You'll be wanting disc 1, U suspect.
07:31<heuk>k, thanks
07:31<dr|z3d>Nu guarantees, but I *think* it's on disc 1.
07:31<ml|>heuk: or do you have good internet connection use netinst
07:31<heuk>I did, when I last installed
07:31<patrikf>heuk: you can always get it directly from an online repository. in fact, many people only get a netinst cd which contains the bare minimum necessary
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07:33<jm_>!cd contents
07:33<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
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07:51<Stephen>Maybe you all could help me with a problem on my debian computer. I tried to start ircII to connect to this channel :) (I'm on another computer now) and got something that scrolled past pages and pages of information and ended with Dump ended or something like that. My computer was then unresponsive. I tried a second time to start the program after rebooting and got the same thing. I rebooted my computer another time, and during the startup
07:52<azeem>Stephen: your line got cut off after "and during the startup[...]"
07:52<locklace>Stephen: wow. sounds like you triggered a kernel panic
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07:52<Stephen>tartup process I got this message: /etc/init.d/rcL line 207: 1930 Segmentation fault $debug $sh "$script" $action Then a newline /lib/init/ line 174: 1941 Segmentation fault which stat > /dev/null 2>&1
07:52<kley>Hi people I have some problems with sound on ny lenny box. To start with, there is "sound juicer" which launches every time when I insert the CD in the CDROM drive. I would like to disable this feature but I do not know how to do it. The "Sound Juicer" manual says nothing about it. Any help? -thanks
07:53<locklace>!win Stephen
07:53<dpkg>Congratulations, Stephen! You have won the US presidency!
07:53<azeem>Stephen: looks quite unstable
07:53<azeem>Stephen: did the system run fine for an extended period?
07:53<locklace>Stephen: ok, two possibilities: 1, your system is very unstable for some hw or sw reason; 2, the kernel panic resulted in some filesystem corruption
07:54<locklace>Stephen: what version of debian? what kind of hardware?
07:54<Stephen>azeem: I just started the computer this morning and immediately tried to run ircII which crashed the first time.
07:54<Stephen>It has been running for a long time reliably for the past few months though
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07:55<Stephen>should I try another time to reboot and see if I make it to a login prompt?
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07:55<Stephen>I won't run ircII again, though. I'm using Colloquy on my iMac.
07:55<locklace>Stephen: what version of debian? what kind of hardware?
07:56<locklace>Stephen: can you run a memory test?
07:56<Stephen>locklace: lenny, 600 MHz speed x86
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07:56<Stephen>not sure what kind of processor. it's a pretty old computer
07:57<Stephen>how do i run a memory test
07:57<jm_>install memtest86+ package or use the one on debian cd-s
07:57<locklace>Stephen: assuming nothing screwed up your sw install recently, the symptoms are suggestive of a possible low-level hardware or bus problem
07:57<dpkg>methinks memtest is . Also check out or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package, or ask me about <cpuburn>
07:58<Stephen>I can't install anything... and my debian cd is likely too scratched up to do that
07:58<Stephen>but I'll try now
07:58<jm_>you can download minimal CD/floppy image from the net
07:58<Stephen>I have dialup
07:58<Stephen>oh well
07:59<jm_>the image is about 500kB in size at most
07:59<jm_>ahh no < 50kB
07:59<Stephen>then I can say I don't have a cd burner
07:59*dr|z3d underlines the word _floppy_ for Stephen
07:59<jm_>not even floppy/usb?
08:00<Stephen>I don't have a working floppy drive on this computer
08:00<Stephen>or any computer
08:00<jm_>!lose Stephen
08:00<dpkg>Stephen: You Lose.
08:00<Stephen>i know
08:00<Stephen>Macs don't have floppy drives
08:00<kley>is this a laptop?
08:00<locklace>the "memtester" package is 80k and can be run online
08:01<Stephen>I'm in the CD menu but how to I start the memtest
08:02<Stephen>The options I see are Install, Graphical install, Advanced options, Help
08:03<jm_>hmm I don't see it in advanced, why do I remember it was there
08:03*dr|z3d hands Stephen a cluestick.
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08:03<Stephen>In advanced options there are expert install, rescue mode, automated install, graphical expert install, graphical rescue more, graphical automated install
08:03<jm_>let's download newer lenny image
08:03<Stephen>thanks for the help but I have to get off
08:03<dr|z3d>Ok Stephen, hang on. jm_ to the rescue!
08:03<Stephen>I'll try later when I have more time
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08:04<dr|z3d>Hope she's nice, Stephen ;)
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08:04<shze>I'm trying to build using pbuilder, but it stops with: Updating certificates in /etc/ssl/certs..../usr/sbin/update-ca-certificates: line 59: mktemp: command not found
08:04<kley>Hi people I have some problems with sound on ny lenny box. To start with, there is "sound juicer" which launches every time when I insert the CD in the CDROM drive. I would like to disable this feature but I do not know how to do it. The "Sound Juicer" manual says nothing about it. Any help? -thanks
08:05<dr|z3d>shze: Tried aptitude install mktemp ?
08:05<shze>dr|z3d: in pbuilder?
08:05<shze>shouldn't it install it automatically if it's a dep?
08:06<jmw>shze: it needs to be a build-dep
08:06<jm_>it's a bug if it's not listed
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08:07<dr|z3d>shze: When you see a "command not found" error, first thing you should do is try and install the missing command.
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08:07<shze>dr|z3d: yeah, if you are not in pbuilder
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08:09<shze>but this error happens before it starts compiling, when it's still setting up packages..
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08:10<shze>so it's not a missing dep
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08:10<shze>and it also happens for a pkg that I compiled before (just tried again and it fails with same error)
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08:13<themill>shze: mktemp has recently moved packages
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08:13<themill>shze: you probably just need to update your pbuilder
08:14<shze>themill: didn't know that, but I just created that base.tgz, so it should be fine..
08:14<shze>unless maybe my mirror is not up to date...
08:14<themill>shze: sid? lenny? and what package are you trying to build?
08:15<shze>themill: testing
08:15<shze>looks like the new version of mktemp is not in testing yet
08:15<shze>I'm trying to build plasma-widget-networkmanagement
08:15<themill>shze: yes. The transition will take a little while to be completed and then that problem will go away
08:15<Nazcafan>in which logs do I find the date of a package update ?
08:16<shze>themill: ok, in that case I'll just get the new version of mktemp
08:16<shze>themill: thanks a lot!
08:16<themill>shze: for now, you'll have to update the coreutils in the chroot using the one from sid
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08:17<shze>themill: yeah, that's my plan. I just completely missed the coreutils update :)
08:17<jm_>this changelog entry is pure brilliance: Added a 60 seconds sleep in update-modules to annoy whoever may still
08:17<jm_> be using it.
08:19<jm_>Nazcafan: aptitude/dpkg logs
08:20<Nazcafan>jm_, I use synaptic, does it matter ?
08:20<jm_>Nazcafan: no, dpkg log will still be updated (unless you disabled it)
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08:25<kley>Hi people I am still trying to configure the Sound-Juicer from gnome-configuration menu, and can not find the way to prevent it from starting each time I insert a CD. Any help?
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08:29<dr|z3d>kley: You need to configure the event on disc insertion. Someone else will direct you to the option; I forget offhand where that is.
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08:32<kley><dr|z3d> -thanx.
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08:32<buffoon_work>kley, in the menu, navigate through system -> Preferences -> Removable Drives and Media
08:32<buffoon_work>there you should find the options you're searching for
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08:32<kley>Oh yes, here it is, thanks!!
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08:41<locklace>argh. R is failing to redraw plot windows when they're hidden and re-exposed
08:42<Nazcafan>I have upgraded a package to a version that has a grave functionnality bug, how do i revert?
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08:47<jm_>Nazcafan: install older version
08:48<Nazcafan>jm_, what is the pefered way to do that?
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08:49<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: Uninstall current version, supply a repository with the old version in it, disable repo with new version, install old version, pin it, away you go.
08:49<dr|z3d>(And then re-enable normal repo and disable old one).
08:49<dr|z3d>Or just grab a .deb and install manually, having removed the old version.
08:49<Nazcafan>jm_, thanks for the hint on the logs, that helped me to find the bad package
08:50<Nazcafan>dr|z3d, right, where do I find the .deb?
08:50<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: Google is your first port of call :)
08:51<Nazcafan>dr|z3d, isn't there a standard bebianish to do that?
08:51<petemc>you might still have the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/
08:52<Nazcafan>petemc, I don't
08:52<jm_>Nazcafan: I would just use dpkg directly
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08:53<dr|z3d>(Or gdebi if you prefer a gui).
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08:55<Nazcafan>ok, I'll use dpkg, but I need to find the package
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09:00<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: locate <packagename> should help.
09:00<umarzuki>any of you guys ever compiled synapse on sid?
09:01<umarzuki>i'd very much appreciate for a few pointer on doing that
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09:02<Nazcafan>dr|z3d, I mean, I need to find the .deb
09:02<dr|z3d>Nazcafan: I know. My advice stands :)
09:03<dr|z3d>locate will take wildcards.
09:03<Nazcafan>I am puzzled
09:03<dr|z3d>So you might try: locate *.deb |grep packagename (or partial name).
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09:05<Nazcafan>the old version is not on my hard drive anymore
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09:06<Nazcafan>(not even in the archives)
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09:08<Yoda-BZH`Wk>Nazcafan or you can use something like that [fr]
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09:18<enouf>tried dlocate?
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09:23<enouf>If you can't find the _older_ .deb you want to revert to, you either likely ran apt-get autoclean at one point, or --purge remove, or some aptitude thing
09:23<enouf>in that case, /msg dpkg pdo ;-)
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09:24<dr|z3d>Or he's configured synaptic to delete on install.
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09:26<enouf>adb: i know he's not here,.. i'm bored :-p
09:27<enouf>adb: and some people need to learn how to hang around, if they ever want to learn anything
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09:29<Lanta>hey hey, is squeeze worth running (I was running lenny during the last 10 months before it's final release) or would I not get much out of it that isn't already in lenny?
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09:32<enouf>Lanta: at this point, squeeze/testing has many newer versions of software, and kernels .. but it depends on your needs for that machine
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09:32<Lanta>enouf, what would you say are the highlights of that new software (i.e. ones people seem most drawn to)
09:33<dpkg>hmm... sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
09:34<enouf>Xorg, and Wireless drivers mainly i suppose .. i'm sure there's other things, but lenny-backports might be the way to go for those pkgs not requiring a newer libc6
09:36<locklace>Lanta: if you yourself don't have any specific reason to move away from stable, then it's simple: don't move
09:37<themill>!upgrade path
09:37<dpkg>upgrade path is, like, install <stable> first, then use <> if you really really need newer software, then maybe <simple sid backport>, upgrade to <testing>, use <pinning>, and when you want to abandon all hope, go for <unstable>
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09:39<dpkg>APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache>, or
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09:44<mmarch>hi, I have / on /dev/md1, but after kernel boots, mdadm says it doesn't find any configured device...
09:44<mmarch>after a while I'm dropped to a initramfs shell
09:44<mmarch>and from there if I write mdadm --assemble --scan all is detected perfectly
09:44<mmarch>and when I hit exit, the system boots up normally.
09:44<mmarch>debian 5, insatlled yesterday :-)
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09:45<dr|z3d>mmarch: Could be an ide issue.. try adding rootdelay=<seconds> to your boot string.
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09:46<mmarch>ok I'll try, but I should add that I have 2 scsi disks that are spinned up by the LSI controller...
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09:47<dr|z3d>Ok, ide/scsi.. in any event, rootdelay can sometimes cure stuff. No harm in trying.
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09:49<vvas>surely the kernel would wait for the scsi bus enumeration to complete before attempting to mount the root filesystem?
09:49<vvas>(though no harm in trying indeed)
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09:58<sseering>sometimes apt-get asks questions when installing packages, i want to see these questions again, how do i do it ? (dpkg-reconfigure wont show them)
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10:04<sseering>sometimes apt-get asks questions when installing packages, i want to see these questions again, how do i do it ? (dpkg-reconfigure wont show them)
10:05<themill>sseering: what sort of questions: "this file has changed, do you want to replace, ignore, diff?"
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10:06<sseering>no, like 'what is your keyboard setup' when installing X
10:06<themill>sseering: dpkg-reconfigure will do that if you use it on the right package
10:07<themill>e.g. in that case, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
10:08<sseering>hmmm thanks, i could swear vim-common was asking me question when installing it, but then dont appear any more even when going to low priority
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10:10<asaleem_>I have broken depencies for a perl module libhtml-tree-perl. How do I fix that? will apt-get -f install work?
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10:11<sseering>this most times helped me : apt-get --reinstall --force install
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10:12<themill>dpkg: tell asaleem_ about bat
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10:22<asaleem_>themill, I see iB when I do aptitude search libhtml
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10:23<asaleem_>themill, in the 1st column
10:23<themill>asaleem_: this tells me nothing.... what version of debian? what version of libhtml-tree-perl? What's the output of "aptitude -f install"? What's the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy packagename" for each of the packages involved?
10:24<themill>You need to give me a fighting chance here... ESP over IRC isn't as easy as it looks.
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10:24<asaleem_>themill, got it
10:25<locklace>dpkg: 8ball =~ s/definetly/definitely/g
10:25<dpkg>locklace: that doesn't contain 'definetly'
10:25<dr|z3d>!8ball Is locklace a smartass?
10:25<dpkg>Sure. Yeah, exactly.
10:26<dr|z3d>dpkg has spoken. *grin*
10:26<dpkg>dr|z3d: are you smoking crack?
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10:26<dr|z3d>dpkg: Yeah. Want some? :)
10:26<dpkg>dr|z3d: I don't know, could you explain it?
10:26<themill>locklace: "/msg dpkg literal 8ball" will reveal all
10:27<locklace>themill: already done. funny thing is, it seemed to have fixed it (unless someone else did it)
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10:29<mmarch>dr|zed: appending rootdelay=10 to the boot string in menu.lst (grub) solved the issue, thank you!!
10:29<dr|z3d>mmarch: Splendid news :)
10:30<gunavara>guys, can u navigate me to a good tutorial that explains how to make samba users view only their /home/user directory and 1 dir that is +rw to all users
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10:31<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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10:43<areku>yo all, I need some help on a debian lenny
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10:43<areku>i'm trying to install mondo but have some problem, does someone already install it ?
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10:57<bishop>can i ask a ? here
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10:57<locklace>!tell bishop about ask
10:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:57<dr|z3d>Stereo support.
10:58<bishop>new to linux best distib to learn linux
10:58<bishop>have used ubuntu and mint
10:58<ffws>still no question ;)
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10:59<bishop>need to learn more about using terminal
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10:59<locklace>!tell bishop about unix lessons
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11:00<ml|>dpkg: tell bishop about grounding
11:01<ml|>bishop: read messages from dpkg
11:02<ml|>bishop: /msg dpkg general cli tutorial
11:04<bishop>read dpkg thankx
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11:05<bishop>got more reading to do ...out
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11:15<gunavara>can u guys help me with my smb.conf i want to share a directory to all users who log in with their usernames and passwords and be able to write to that directory ?
11:15<gunavara>i've done all but it sais access denied
11:16<petemc>you used smbpasswd?
11:17<gunavara>all users log in and have full access to their /homedirs
11:17<gunavara>but can't write to the dir i shared to be visible to all users
11:17<petemc>is it set not to be readonly
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11:17<gunavara>can i paste the lines here without being dc'ed ?
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11:17<gunavara>private ?
11:17<petemc>no thanks
11:18<petemc>use a pastebin
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11:20<gunavara>i've fixed it thanks..
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11:22<locklace>no problem
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11:27<Cad>hi there can someone advise me a good p2p app for debian
11:28<locklace>Cad: apt-p2p
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11:33<SQlvpapir>anybody here using diffdeb?
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11:33<SQlvpapir>eh, debdelta ofc :)
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11:49<deniz>how do i get out of fullscreen mode in
11:50<deniz>in fullscreen is ctrl+shift+j
11:50<petemc>that was a guess, lots of apps do use f11
11:50<deniz>ya i no, it was my guess too initially
11:50<deniz>but now it'sannoying because
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11:50<deniz>every time i run it, it's in fullscreen
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11:57<ghantoos>deniz: are you using Compiz?
11:58<deniz>ghantoos, no
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11:58<deniz>just plain lenny
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12:00<kimo>hi, I sent an email (Message-id: <>) to debian lists and I want to delete from your database, Is that possible ?
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12:01<ghantoos>deniz: is installed on your system?
12:02<ghantoos>deniz: if not, sudo apt-get install
12:02<ghantoos>deniz: if you are using gnome as wm of course
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12:03<deniz>ghantoos, ya that's installed and i am using gnoem
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12:03<ghantoos>deniz: sorry, i'm out
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12:04<stew>kimo: no, it can't be deleted. note that it is probabaly already mirrored in dozens of places anyway
12:04<deniz>ghantoos, :( thanks anyways
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12:05<Zviper>is there like a raid test i can do on my raid setup? it's in raid0 i believe..
12:05<kimo>I know but if you delete it, it will be "delete" from other placex
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12:08<ghantoos>deniz: one last try, what you can do is: rm -rf ~/*
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12:09<iD>Hey, I have bumped into an issue with setting environment variables in the GNOME environment. It seems that GNOME Terminal will use my ~/.bashrc but applications launched through the Panel menus ignore it.
12:09<ghantoos>deniz: or just, rm ~/.openoffice.org2/user/registry/data/org/openoffice/Setup.xcu
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12:09<iD>How should I set environment variables so that they are applied to applications launched through the GNOME Panel menus?
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12:11<deniz>ghantoos, that did it :D, thanks!
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12:11<ghantoos>deniz: ;)
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12:20<locklace>!greet antixogh
12:20<dpkg>Welcome, antixogh
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12:22<antixogh>alright so i am having an issue, where the welcome screen to gdm( i believe) is jumbled and then the system freezes. i wasn't able to find this problem on google. does anyone have any ideas?
12:22<Flakk>Hi people, I always had problems with KsCD - now that I migrated to lenny they persist again. Namely, i insert an audio disk; then i launch KsCD. It recognizes the CDRom correctly, but there is no music, only the digital watch counts seconds. Any help?
12:23<antixogh>if i hit ctrl alt f1 right before gdm loads it it's crashing point i can log in.
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12:23<gsimmons>antixogh: What version of Debian are you using?
12:23<antixogh>debian gnu/linux 5.0
12:24<antixogh>i just installed it from the netinst cd
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12:25<antixogh>it problem happen right after the first boot
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12:29<Flakk>antixogh: seems like it is an xserver problem
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12:30<antixogh>alrighty i will start there thank you
12:30<antixogh>be back later
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12:41<dr|z3d>We can see you, tuket. Got a question? :)
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12:42<Flakk>never succeeded with kscd, but kaffeine works and am happy!
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12:43<shiznatix>Sorry, this is more of a linux general question but anyway, I am trying to replace the every occurance of rel="nofollow" in every file in a certain folder but to just skip over folders that are hidden (which are .svn folders and if I edit those files I can't make the commit). This is the code I am trying but it doesn't work at all:
12:43<Slurb>i havent found many things to not work, sept in sid
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12:46<locklace>shiznatix: for f in *;do sed 's/rel=.nofollow.//g' < $f > $f.tmp; mv $f.tmp $f; done
12:46<locklace>shiznatix: test/adjust on noncritical data first
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12:47<tuket>can i ask something?
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12:47<locklace>apparently not
12:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:48<shiznatix>locklace, I got "sed: read error on stdin: Is a directory"
12:48<locklace>shiznatix: right. in zsh i'd replace * with *(.)
12:49<themill>using find and sed -i is the right approach -- you probably just need to get your find working properly
12:49<shiznatix>locklace, what do you mean by "zsh"
12:49<locklace>it's only the right approach if you're using a lame shell ;)
12:49<locklace>shiznatix: aptitude install zsh
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12:50<bja>zsh is a shell as bash, dash csh and all those others
12:50<bja>with different capabilities
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12:50<shiznatix>well really I don't want to install another shell, i like mine as is
12:50<themill>locklace: he is explicitly looking for things in .svn directories descending through the dir hierarchy... for i in * doesn't quite do that
12:51<shiznatix>no im explicitly looking for things NOT in .svn directories
12:51<themill>ahh... my bad.... of course
12:52<locklace>and by "every file in a certain folder" i wasn't getting "recursive descent"
12:52<shiznatix>my "find . \( ! -regex '.*/\..*' \) -type f" works perfectly and if I do "find ./* -type f -exec sed -i 's/rel="nofollow"//g' {} \;" I replaces it but replaces things in .svn directories also so I am just looking for that code that I could add to that which would exclude .svn directories
12:52<locklace>but whatever. adjust the wildcard appropriately
12:52<themill>shiznatix: find -type f -print0 | grep -Zzv .svn/ | xargs -0 sed -i (etc)
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12:52*locklace makes choking sounds
12:53*themill stops strangling locklace for a second
12:53<shiznatix>slow down, I don't know much about the commands I have posted, I have taken chunks from the internet and pieced them together. What you say (etc) how do I continue with it?
12:54*dr|z3d slaps locklace vigorously on the back.
12:54<locklace>do you want recursive descent or not
12:54<themill>if not, then there is no need to worry about .svn dirs
12:54<shiznatix>i do want recursive
12:55<themill>the "etc" bit is just what you were wanting to do with sed -- i.e. it would be: find -type f -print0 | grep -Zzv .svn/ | xargs -0 sed -i 's/rel="nofollow" //g'
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12:56<shiznatix>alas, that didn't work
12:56*bja takes his notebook on Bash scripting 101 and begins to take notes
12:56<stew>-path \*.svn\* -prune -o -type f -print0
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12:56<themill>yeah, that's prettier ;)
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12:56<locklace>shiznatix: ok. then the zsh wildcard */**(.)~*.svn* should work fine
12:56<themill>shiznatix: you need to be a little more helpful on the "it didn't work" bit...
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12:57<locklace>and calling awful find command pipelines "pretty" compared to that is madness
12:57<themill>locklace: I've seen perl regexps that are more readable than that
12:58<shiznatix>when it didn't work it just didn't replace anything, all the files are the same and on errors where given
12:58<themill>line noise ftw!
12:58<locklace>themill: */** = recursive enumeration of everything from here; (.) restricts to regular files; ~ is set complement
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13:00<shiznatix>ok well I have to go for now so if I can't figure it out myself tomorrow I will hopefully see you guys here again
13:00<shiznatix>thanks though for the help
13:01<locklace>go with god
13:01<vvas>that sounds kinky
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13:08<johnfg>No, adios says the same, the russian, zebogim, etc., etc. I even think that goodbye is saying the same thing.
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13:13<washi>enouf, what is your problem?
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13:14<simNIX>greetz @ enouf
13:14<dr|z3d>He's not Hawaii'd up, washi.
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13:21<bja>Dependens on your time zone
13:22<non_dumb>i'm trying to make some changes to my debian installation. i cant boot into it though. i'm booting to a parallel installation. then i need to remove some applications with aptitude. if i chroot to the old install will this allow me to do what i want?
13:22<non_dumb>or am i mistaken about what chroot is?
13:22<non_dumb>never really used it before
13:22<locklace>non_dumb: yes, chroot is the right thing to do
13:22<locklace>you should bind-mount /dev and perhaps /tmp first
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13:23<non_dumb>sorry. you just lost me
13:24<locklace>if your other partition is mounted under /mnt, "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev" and "mount --bind /tmp /mnt/tmp"; then you can "chroot /mnt"
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13:27<non_dumb>k. lemme write that down
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13:31<jla>Hi, I've got a system that is telling me NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B, and then it tells me debian-archive-keyring is untrusted; despite the fact that Philipp Kern says it shouldn't ;) How can I get this key in a verified manner?
13:33<dr|z3d>jla: Plenty of ways.
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13:34<dr|z3d>jla: A quick google will tell you how to import a gpg key.
13:34<enouf>!new archive key
13:34<dpkg>If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>.
13:34<jla>ty enouf; didn't see it listed in topic.
13:34<enouf>don't think it is ;-)
13:34<jla>dr|z3d: a long time googling has lead me to try many gpg options that are not finding the key
13:35<dr|z3d>jla: fair play.
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13:35<enouf>jla: the next thing when issues like that occur is check BTS (
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13:36<non_dumb>jla which key is it? and what exactly are you doing when you get this message?
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13:37<jla>i'm getting this problem:
13:38<jla>aptitude update tells me no key, as listed above, and a warning 'this version of debian-archive-keyring' is from an /untrusted source/!
13:38<jla>comforting :D
13:38<jla>going to chat w/ dpkg about it. ty
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13:46<jla>I'm still having trouble finding 55BE302B from a keyserver.
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13:46<themill>!new archive key
13:46<dpkg>If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>.
13:47<jla>i've done & read all that
13:47<jla>gpg: error reading key: public key not found
13:47<themill>from what command
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13:49<jla>from trying to list public keys for that key id from either or or any online gpg/pgp query tool
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13:49<themill>!apt-key 55BE302B
13:49<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 55BE302B ; gpg --export 55BE302B | sudo apt-key add -
13:49<themill>jla: ^^ has that key
13:50<jla>when i ask it to list the key, it gives the error I mentioned. when I ask it to recv, it times out
13:50<themill>jla: sounds like a problem with your internet connection then
13:50<stew>jla: specify a --keyserver
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13:54<jla>themill: or it's all broken :P i can somehow use irc, surf the web to query and ssh to my server at home on a different network that also fails to --recv-keys
13:54<jla>stew: I'm doing exactly: "gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 55BE302B"
13:55<jla>i've also tried with the other keyserver I mentioned because some post suggested using it
13:55<themill>jla: I did just test it and they key is most definitely there. The connection timing out is a bad sign.
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13:57<themill>does name resolution work for that host? "getent hosts" Do you have a funny firewall rule that's not letting you out for hkp (11371)
13:57<stew>jla: sounds like you have a firewall bloacking hkp?
13:57<stew>jla: what happens if you run "telnet hkp" or "telnet hkp" ?
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13:58<jla>themill: dig gives a lot, getent works too
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13:58<jla>stew: telnet seems to connect right away
13:59<Morpheu>Boa tarde!
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13:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:00<jla>I tried --keyserver and it says key 55BE302B not found on keyserver
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14:00<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:00<jla>telnet to subkeys is not connecting
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14:01<jla>i do have shorewall, it allows a lot out, no /var/log/messages about blocked hkp ports
14:01<jla>plus the telnet to k.d.o worked
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14:02<jla> is failing, trying others by ip
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14:03<jla> worked. ty for help
14:04<themill>jla: ahh... possibly a bad server on the round robin then.
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14:04<jla>must be my bad luck to get it from different locations :)
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14:04<themill>stew: btw is there a reason the new key wasn't signed by the old key? It's very sweet that the 4 of you signed it with your personal keys, but Joe Average has never heard of you.
14:05<stew>themill: i don't now
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14:05<stew>Ganneff: ?
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14:07<themill>istr a previous rollover having the old key sign the new key and then it was blindingly obvious what was happening to someone not skilled with the WoT
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14:08<julia>hi my friend just converted my computer but there is no sound - any ideas how to turn it on/command it on???
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14:10<bja>julia: the more facts you state from yuor comp the easier it is for people to help you
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14:10<locklace>!tell julia about how to ask
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14:14<guillaume>hello, I have some problem with my wifi chipset, I have an iwl3945 and get ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready (2.6.29-2-amd64 / iwl3945 loaded firmware version ) any idea ?
14:15<locklace>guillaume: seems fine. it will say that until you associate
14:16<guillaume>locklace, problem is that at boot it don't.... I have to do ifdown --force and ifup to associate the wifi card to my AP
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14:17<dr|z3d>guillaume: You may find pump a useful command to install.
14:17<locklace>guillaume: ok. that sucks, but at least you have a workaround. it might also help to specify the ap directly with iwconfig.
14:17<jla>julia: it should "just work" so start simple with plugs & volume, have your 'conversion' friend check it out for more technical stuff if you're not comfortable with that.
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14:17<locklace>dr|z3d: how does that help with a wireless driver problem
14:17<guillaume>locklace, wlan0 is up but wpa won't work before that
14:17<patrikf>guillaume: please put your /etc/network/interfaces onto a pastebin
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14:18<dr|z3d>locklace: pump -i potentilly useful.
14:19<dr|z3d>Or possibly entirely useless. Ymmv.
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14:19<guillaume>seem to be good ....
14:20<guillaume>i'm using wpa roaming mode
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14:21<locklace>guillaume: any difference if you specify the ap directly with iwconfig
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14:27<guillaume>locklace, no, i think the problem is link to wpasupplicant. It's as if at boot wpasupplicant doesn't start corectly and I have to force the wifi card down before it can work properly.
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14:28<guillaume>when I do ifup after that without changing any setting all work fine
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14:28<locklace>guillaume: what if you take the automatic stuff out of the startup, boot, and then manually bring up the interface and wpasupplicant
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14:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:55<servidor>como voy a ubuntu
14:55<bja>#ubuntu en freenode
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14:56<dr|z3d>servidor: irc://
14:58<bja>servidor: bom voyage
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15:00<ludo_>bonjour tlm
15:00<guillaume>locklace, I find this output in dmseg
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15:02<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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15:06<locklace>guillaume: so does it work
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15:08<guillaume>locklace, not the first time, but the second one yes
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15:09<locklace>guillaume: this is with doing everything manually after boot?
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15:10<locklace>guillaume: i think it's a problem with your version of the iwl3945 driver. next thing i'd try would be some different kernel versions
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15:11<jared>hey im having a problem getting virtualbox to work
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15:11<guillaume>locklace, I have no problem with 2.6.26 kernel branch, it's only with 2.6.29
15:11<locklace>guillaume: can you try the .30 kernel from sid
15:12<guillaume>jared, wich one ?
15:12<guillaume>ose or sun verson ?
15:12<guillaume>locklace, yes i will
15:13<cahoot>guillaume: what fw version?
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15:14<cahoot>guillaume: ucode serves my iwl3945 fine (otoh I had no probs with 2.6.29 and iwl3945)
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15:25<guillaume>cahoot, do you use wpa with wpasupplicant ?
15:25<non_dumb>quillaume: what's the problem?
15:25<non_dumb>with 2.6.29
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15:27<drakeman|work|>ml|, mldonkey is maded by you?
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16:04<ml|>drakeman|work|: huh?
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16:05<drakeman|work|>hehe, sorry, i just ask
16:06<drakeman|work|>ml|, ok! :D
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16:06<ml|>hehe sup
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16:17<Glanzmann>In Lenny, is there something like autoyast or redhat kickstart besides FAI? I though that I have read about a d-i feature that supportes an unattended isntallation?
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16:20<dmoerner>Glanzmann, you want preseeding
16:20<wekt>are there any tools for users (like me) to do queries on Packages files? I wish to examine only 1 dist, not all of my package sources and to be able to view by section or tag.
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16:21<dmoerner>wekt, you might want to look at the package dctrl-tools, it lets you selectively grep through the package information files
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16:21<dmoerner>dpkg, tell Glanzmann -about preseed
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16:21*wekt looks.
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16:22<e-DIO-t>mmh pardon: since #networking is empty...can anyone help me to interprete a tracert ?
16:22<e-DIO-t>[or even tells me where could I ask for something similar, if that's the official chan :P ]
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16:24<oleg>добрый вечер
16:24<oleg>помогите пожалуйста
16:25<xente>anyone here a java/mysql developer?
16:25<oleg>can anyone help me?
16:25<bja>do you want them sent via fedex?
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16:26<oleg>i cant activate nvidia-gix driver
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16:28<dr|z3d>oleg: What about nvidia-glx driver? Tried that one? ;)
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16:28<oleg>nothing chahges
16:29<oleg>i got it and installed....rebooted...and nothing
16:30<oleg>no acceleration
16:30<bja>oleg: nothing changes is too vague, can you be more explicit
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16:31<oleg>sorry...i say as if nothing was installed
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16:32<oleg>when i used ubuntu there wasn't such troubles
16:32<bja>dpkg tell oleg about nvidia
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16:32<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
16:33<oleg>gforce 7600 GT
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16:34<bja>oleg: For the facts that you are stating, I have the crude idea that you don't have the nvidia driver installed.
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16:34<bja>oleg: Take a look at the debian wiki to install it once again.
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16:35<oleg>i installed it with apt
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16:35<oleg>can here be a misstake&
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16:37<bja>oleg: it might not be installed properly, take a look at the wiki to sort things out.
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16:38<oleg>thank u all
16:38<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
16:39<bja>tell oleg about ru
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16:39<bja>dpkg: tell oleg about ru
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16:40<bja>locklace: is it normal that zsh complains about a backgrounded process even though it thas the unsetopt nohup
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16:41<locklace>bja: set both NO_CHECK_JOBS and NO_HUP if you want. or do what i do and use disown
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16:44<bja>locklace: no man page for disown??
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16:44<locklace>man zshbuiltins
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16:45<Zviper>what's the difference between terminate and kill?
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16:45<locklace>Zviper: they're different signals
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16:46<bja>sigup and sigkill
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16:46<locklace>Zviper: man 7 signal
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16:47<locklace>bja: btw, weasel got caught in the linear independence problem, maybe you two should compare notes. hehe
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16:48<bja>locklace: :D
16:48<bja>locklace: ill call him later
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16:52<locklace>!lart marthe
16:52*dpkg strangles marthe with a doohicky mouse cord
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16:57<locklace>!ops marthe join/part spam
16:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: locklace complains about: marthe join/part spam
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17:08<Glanzmann>dmoerner: Thanks
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17:22<xorg62>when i start up my debian i get a message who is repeated inifinite times :/
17:22<xorg62>modprobe: Fatal error running install command binfmt_0000
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17:22<xorg62> is anyone know a solution to fix it please ?
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17:27<bja>xorg62: do you have banshee installed
17:27<xorg62>on the broken debian ?
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17:28<xorg62>(or on my current live cd ubuntu where i have to stay :P)
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17:29<xorg62>bja ?
17:30<bja>xorg62: That message appeared on my machine because of a faulty banshee install, i reinstalled it and went away
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17:31<xorg62>Oo oh
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17:31<xorg62>actually, i was upgrading my debian (apt-get upgrade) and my battery did get empty
17:31<xorg62>i reboot it and *bang* this message
17:32<xorg62>chroot doesn't work :/
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17:33<xorg62>bja: but no, not banshee on my debian
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17:33<xorg62>bja: how did your reinstalled it ? Oo
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17:37<locklace>xorg62: you hosed your system
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17:38<xorg62>locklace: uh ?
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17:38<h2>does anyone know what happened to the /etc/init.d/approx file, or how to restart a running approx? that file is missing
17:38<locklace>xorg62: you can either back up your data and reinstall from scratch, or try to fix it from a rescue disk
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17:39<h2>I tried aptitude reinstall approx from sid, and it reinstalls, but no init.d file
17:39<xorg62>locklace: i'm on a rescue disk
17:39<xorg62>but chroot doesn't work :(
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17:40<locklace>!doesn't work
17:40<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
17:41<dr|z3d>xorg62: Tell us what you're doing with chroot, and what's failing.
17:41<xorg62>root@ubuntu:/mnt# chroot debian/
17:41<xorg62>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
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17:41<xorg62>same arch..
17:42<locklace>xorg62: try a different shell
17:42<xorg62>i tried
17:42<xorg62>sh bash busybox..
17:42<xorg62>root@ubuntu:/mnt# chroot debian/ /bin/busybox
17:42<xorg62>/bin/busybox: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/ file too short
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17:42<enouf>diff arch
17:43<XeNiX>Hello all how i can check all installed packages on my server ?
17:43<xorg62>but different gcc i think
17:43<enouf>something major is wrong
17:43<locklace>xorg62: are you booted into a 64-bit kernel?
17:43<enouf>dumpubuntu as a rescue cd
17:44<locklace>xorg62: but your debian install is 64-bit, isn't it?
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17:44<jrabbit>XeNiX: dpkg -l
17:44<xorg62>locklace: no :)
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17:45<xorg62>enouf: O_o ? how ?
17:45<locklace>xorg62: ok. thought i saw a reference to 64 above but maybe not
17:45<locklace>xorg62: anyway, your filesystem is hosed
17:45<locklace>xorg62: you have the two options that i mentioned, but the "fix" option is going to be hard
17:45<xorg62>yes ?
17:45<xorg62>what is the fix option ?
17:46<locklace>xorg62: basically you're going to have to download and manually untar the base packages like libc and dpkg
17:46<dr|z3d>xorg62: Any data you need recovering on the drive?
17:46<xorg62>or dpkg --root /mnt/debian -i ___.deb ?
17:46<jrabbit>sounds painful
17:46<xorg62>dr|z3d: a bit
17:46<dr|z3d>xorg62: Otherwise your _quickest_ bet is a reinstall.
17:47<locklace>xorg62: you can try it, but if it fails you're going to have to do the manual untar
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17:47<dr|z3d>Might be worth focussing on data recovery.
17:47<dr|z3d>Recover data, reinstall OS. That's my advice.
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17:47<xorg62>dr|z3d: ok :'(
17:47<dr|z3d>Save yourself a whole bunch of hassle.
17:47<ml|>yup backup data if not done already and reinstall unless you want continue for learning ;)
17:48<enouf>i bet he started wu=ith a debian variant ... just to be a party crasher
17:48<jrabbit>put ~ on a seperate partition
17:48<xorg62>ok ok
17:48<jrabbit>so you don't have to muck with it later
17:48<jrabbit>and when you break the entire system again it's seamless :P
17:48<dr|z3d>Yup. ~ on another partition should be standard. Default.
17:49<locklace>xorg62: if you want to try to fix it, you'll need to get at least: libc6, coreutils, bash, dpkg, aptitude, and their depends
17:49<enouf>jrabbit: it's fun to 'muck with it'; that's how one learns .. it's not so much fun wlaking a newcomer through it :-p
17:49<ml|>yup separate /home is the way to go
17:49<jrabbit>makes mucking less destructive enouf
17:49<xorg62>locklace: in .deb ?
17:49<xorg62>from package.debian ?
17:49<locklace>xorg62: yep.
17:49<jrabbit>xorg62: how the heck did you do this
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17:50<enouf>you should probably grab all of priority ~required
17:50<locklace>jrabbit: his battery died during a dist-upgrade
17:50<xorg62>locklace: no
17:50<xorg62>just upgrade
17:50<xorg62>not dist
17:50<ml|>how do reinstall dpkg if it's broken?
17:50<jrabbit>ml|: everycarefuly
17:50<locklace>ml|: you get the package and manually unarchive it
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17:51<enouf>ar -x
17:51<Guest177>is it possible to upgrade a remote box from etch to lenny? or at least do it easily where a local admin woudln't have to be bothered?
17:51<enouf>then you get to toy with tar some
17:52<enouf>Guest177: yes
17:52<enouf>Guest177: is it always smooth? no .. sometimes breaks horribly? yes
17:52<xorg62>locklace: but how install the .deb in the broken debian ? O_o
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17:52<bja>I know xorg62 is in deep trouble, wouldn't it be safer, and faster just to make a fresh install?
17:53<locklace>xorg62: it's an ar-format archive. you un-ar it and then you'll get some tar files that you have to untar
17:53<ml|>jrabbit: locklace and move to appropiate place
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17:53<xorg62>bja: yes..
17:53<enouf>Guest177: a) have a serial console for remote ssh access and b) /msg dpkg etch->lenny and read
17:53<xorg62>but this make me..
17:53<ml|>bja: unless he wants to learn/ go through pain ;)
17:53<Guest177>enouf: thanks
17:54<xorg62>locklace: not that easy :P
17:54<bja>xorg62: just follow instructions and backup everything you believe is important, yuor wifi config, basically your etc subdir and home subdirs
17:54<ml|>yeah /etc/ is important
17:54<locklace>xorg62: the hard part is that you have to get all the dependencies of those packages, recursively
17:55<enouf>you could boot a or something and cp off your important data
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17:55<enouf>or at worst ddrescue an image and mess with that ...
17:56<locklace>xorg62: so you're looking at ~30-odd base/library packages; follow the depends links from p.d.o for libc6, dpkg, coreutils, tar, etc.
17:56<ml|>sounds like fun ;)
17:57<xorg62>ok i need to find my netinstall cd ^^@
17:57<enouf>xorg62: sorry - it's
17:57<xorg62>no, to reinstall :D
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17:58<enouf>heh .. wuss
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17:58<ml|>enouf: is that any better than grml debian live rescue cd?
17:58<locklace>xorg62: on the other hand, you could try just getting a couple of critical ones like libc6. that might be enough to get you going depending on how much filesystem damage you actually have
17:58<enouf>!pain xorg62
17:59<locklace>xorg62: busybox for instance only depends on libc6
17:59<enouf>ml|: so i hear .. doesn't impress me much, it couldn't even boot an older standard p4 dell dimension
17:59<xorg62>what mean
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17:59<xorg62>modprobe: Fatal error running install command binfmt_0000
17:59<ml|>enouf: oh, works fine here on old p3
17:59<enouf>ml|: it's more of rescue tools on a smaller disk - is missing quite a few things - even the medium one
18:00<ml|>enouf: ok will check out it then
18:00<ml|>but i do have full cd
18:01<enouf>ml|: which version kernel is up to finally?
18:01<ml|>ah, don't remember of hand
18:01<enouf>ml|: from The kernel has been updated to a new version: linux-2.6.29 comes with more drivers, and also it supports the very promising btrfs filesystem (still under heavy development). GParted has been updated to 0.4.5, it improves the dmraid and the
18:02<locklace>xorg62: it means your initrd is fucked
18:02<ml|>enouf: ok thanks
18:02<enouf>ml|: i recall a .25 or something, and that was only on the full version
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18:03<ml|>enouf: sysresccd get's updated often then?
18:03<enouf>yikes! heh, been seeing some of that over time in here and on freenode
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18:03<enouf>but from Debian installation CDs, not sysresccd
18:04<enouf>it's genisoimage issue .. or isolinux .. even i have atleast one system the newer isolinux versions won't boot, but older ones do
18:05<ml|>enouf: Linux grml 2.6.28-grml #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 4 07:40:22 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
18:05<xorg62>locklace: maybe i can compile a initrd here and replace the current ?
18:05<bja>enouf: there were cheats on knoppix that solved those problems, maybe you need one of those
18:05<enouf>it's almost like joerg planted an scsi MMC bomb on his way out
18:05<locklace>xorg62: you don't need to compile it, just get the kernel package and extract it. do the same for libc6
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18:06<xorg62>kernel package
18:06<locklace>xorg62: after extracting libc6 see whether your chroot works
18:06<enouf>bja: even knoppix had issues, various versions 3.9 - 5.1 DVD, but knoppix booted an old 1999 ibm thinkpad just fine ;0
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18:06<xorg62>so i get the libc6.frn
18:06<xorg62>extract it
18:06<xorg62>and chroot
18:06<enouf>ml|: nice
18:06<locklace>sure, try that first
18:07<locklace>you'll probably have to chroot to busybox
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18:07<bja>enouf: yep but to boot my old p3 (rest in peace) needed a few cheats, just don't remembet which were the ones :)
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18:08<locklace>xorg62: btw what happens if you try to run the busybox binary from your debian system without chrooting
18:08<enouf>bja: my p2 boots fine, it's my p1 that only boots older 3.x DSL and win98 OEM O_o
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18:08<enouf>so i use SBM ;0
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18:09<xorg62>root@ubuntu:/mnt# debian/bin/busybox
18:09<xorg62>debian/bin/busybox: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by debian/bin/busybox)
18:09<enouf>and the pain ensues
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18:09<locklace>xorg62: ok, that's fine. thanks
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18:09<bja>!beer ml|
18:09*dpkg pours a litre of Spaten Pils for ml|
18:09<enouf>wait till you get the message "Your kernel is too old .."
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18:09<ml|>bja: thanks :)
18:10<locklace>xorg62: you may want to also get libc6-i686
18:10<enouf>!judd depends libc6-i686 --arch i386
18:10<dpkg>enouf, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
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18:10<enouf>judd depends libc6-i686 --arch i386
18:10<judd>enouf: libc6-i686 -- Depends: None
18:10<enouf>thanks dpkq
18:10<enouf>thanks dpkg
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18:11<ml|>dpkg: thanks
18:11<dpkg>bitte, ml|
18:11<xorg62>i got it
18:11<xorg62>locklace: how to extract them now ?
18:11<enouf>!8ball is ml| being a pedant?
18:11<dpkg>Are you smoking crack?
18:11<locklace>xorg62: ar x <file>.deb
18:11*enouf wishes he was
18:11<ml|>enouf: stop smoking crack!
18:12<simNIX>better switch to the bong
18:12<ml|>dpkg: bong
18:12<dpkg>bong is probably like, dude, yeah... see
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18:12<Slurb>anyone know how virtualbox does with windows 7 64 bit
18:12<locklace>xorg62: you can actually try the dpkg --root=... at this point if you want
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18:13<unitypunk>how do i retrieve something from the background?
18:13<unitypunk>like a process.
18:13<simNIX>I switch with screen
18:13<simNIX>but I asume you meen how to forground a backgroun proces
18:13<unitypunk>i tried using a shell script to start it in screen.
18:13<unitypunk>but the script wont work.
18:13<enouf>locklace: does he have his / mounted?
18:14<ml|>screen for President :)
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18:14<unitypunk>so yeah now its just a background process
18:14<xorg62>root@ubuntu:/mnt# dpkg --root=debian/ -i /home/ubuntu/Desktop/libc6-i686_2.7-18_i386.deb
18:14<xorg62>wtf :>
18:14<xorg62>dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `mpd' in statoverride file
18:14<dpkg>xorg62: I give up, what is it?
18:14<unitypunk>i would vote for screen.
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18:14<unitypunk>even in iran :D
18:14<Slurb>sudo rm / -r...takes all your worries away
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18:14<enouf>man dpkg-statoverride
18:14<ml|>unitypunk: hah
18:14<Slurb>i wrote that wrong on purpose
18:14<ml|>!lart Slurb
18:14*dpkg pushes the wall down onto Slurb whilst whistling innocently
18:14<enouf>your FS is funked man
18:15<unitypunk>hold on.. someone tel me why my shell script dosent work :-/
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18:15<enouf>unitypunk: did you disown the process?
18:15<unitypunk>i dont think so.
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18:15<enouf>unitypunk: if not, you can fg %1 is it's job 1
18:15<unitypunk>i just did eggdrop config.
18:15<Slurb>its more like rm -r --noask /...right... thats the end all shell command
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18:16<simNIX>unitypunk, probably becouse you made a mistake ?
18:16<enouf>unitypunk: type 'jobs'
18:16<enouf>any listed?
18:16<unitypunk>but it looks the same as the other one i have.
18:16<unitypunk>that starts another bot.
18:16<ml|>rm -rf / ;)
18:16<unitypunk>no enouf
18:16*enouf gets ready to call it a day soon
18:17<Slurb>man i cant get nover how easy on the eyes kvirc is
18:17*bja chains enouf to his keyboard so he can't run away
18:17<locklace>xorg62: that's because the contents of your debian /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride refers to users that are not in your current (ubuntu) /etc/passwd
18:17<ml|>bja: hah
18:17<bja>unitypunk: kill the process start screen re run yuor process detach screen
18:17<unitypunk>yeah.. okay.
18:18*bja Writes on the exit door "No one lives till this mess is set up straight"
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18:18<Slurb>is there a way to build a 32 bit package on a 64bit system?
18:18<Slurb>without a chroot enviro
18:18<dask>some one here can gime one information/;
18:18<dondelelcaro>Slurb: not easily, no.
18:18<dondelelcaro>Slurb: but there's no reason not to use a chroot
18:18<bja>dpkg: tell dask about ask
18:18<Slurb>i am trying to get a 32bit rpm on a 64bit debian system
18:19<xorg62>locklace: :/
18:19<Slurb>alien in a chroot will get it to a deb i believe
18:19<dask>multi-arch debian, use i386 and 64 in same time?
18:19<Slurb>then can i force it with dpkg
18:19<simNIX>Slurb, no ... once you got an neviroent to build I recomend maks a static busybox, then no mess with libs
18:20<unitypunk>wonder why screen keeps terminating it.
18:20<locklace>xorg62: you can either keep trying to work around the dpkg issues, or do the ar x and then extract the data.tar.gz file from within your debian root directory
18:20<dondelelcaro>Slurb: uh... why don't you just build whatever it is for Debian?
18:20<Slurb>there is no source
18:20<simNIX>dask, can use at the same time if bot installed next to eah other
18:20<Slurb>its a printer driver from canon
18:20<enouf>dask: there's debootstrap and chroot envs that'll do it
18:21<enouf>dask: have a look - might be outdated, but still
18:21<Slurb>you can run 32bit without chroot with the 32bit libs installed
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18:21<dask>i not need use in same time. only curious about multi-arch iso in debian server
18:22<enouf>the ia32-libs pkg'd for debian, yeah
18:22<dask>i put one 32 iso and they recomend me use adm64 or multi-arch.. i never hear about multi_arch iso before
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18:22<unitypunk>how would i log off a user, but not kill putty? so i can log in as someone else?
18:22<enouf>let's be clear about which arch(s) we mean :-P
18:23<enouf>there was some start to intense multiarch support - i think it withered .. dunno for sure
18:23<jla>unitypunk: make a new connection or use some tool like screen
18:23<unitypunk>you cant just go back to log in screen?
18:23<jla>you can also su
18:24<locklace>unitypunk: exec su <newusername>
18:24<unitypunk>then you'll be that user?
18:24<simNIX>yes w screen you disconnect, go to other box (posible) and ssh back in
18:24<simNIX>then sccreen -r
18:24<unitypunk>after a password:
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18:24<simNIX>and you are where you were
18:24<unitypunk>that works great
18:24<unitypunk>i really like how i never have to go over there to touch that computer..
18:25<simNIX>ssh in
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18:25<simNIX>start screen
18:25<unitypunk>i do sim
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18:25<simNIX>I read it wrong ; as in I'd like to know
18:25<simNIX>my bad
18:25<simNIX>geting late
18:26<dask>anyway i will use 386 iso ^^ tks for explanations
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18:26<simNIX>enjoy - )
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18:27<jla>unitypunk: it is cool :) be sure to walk around occasionally anyway ;)
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18:39*bja names to days log "How to unscrew a fubar system"
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18:44<Pitxyoki>How can I print something to the kernel log?
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18:50<locklace>Pitxyoki: printk
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18:52<Pitxyoki>Do I have to make a program for that?
18:52<Pitxyoki>I was expecting to find some command that would do it.
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18:53<bja>Pitxyoki: vague answer for a vague question :)
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18:53<kapil>Pitxyoki: see if "logger" works for you
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18:54<Pitxyoki>Actually what I'm trying to do is to get netconsole to work.
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18:56<Pitxyoki>The PC I'm at is the one that should send the kernel messages to the other computer on my side.
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18:57<Pitxyoki>This computer has IP and the one that's supposed to log the received messages is
18:57<Pitxyoki>So, I set up PC 2's /etc/default/syslogd with SYSLOGD="-r"
18:58<bja>Pitxyoki: make sure before anything that you have syslogd running on and that port 514 is open
18:58<Pitxyoki>And on PC 1, I did modprobe -v netconsole netconsole=@,@
18:58<Pitxyoki>Everything seems fine, but I don't see anything on any logs at PC 2.
18:58<bja>Pitxyoki: check your config that syslogd will hear there and tell your program to do it
18:59<Pitxyoki>more: wireshark isn't seeing any packets coming at PC 2.
19:00<Pitxyoki>Let's see what's going out of PC1.
19:00<Pitxyoki>nothing! :D
19:02<Pitxyoki>My iptables are completely empty.
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19:02<unitypunk>you has no ip on the table.
19:02<unitypunk>how are you here..
19:03<Pitxyoki>iptables is a firewall.
19:03<Pitxyoki>You don't need anything there to be connected to the Internet.
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19:19<oleg>hi people
19:19<oleg>i have a problem with compiz
19:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
19:21<oleg>when starting compiz my window header disapears
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19:22<oleg>what's the bug? how to fix it?
19:24<adama>in the ccsm, make sure you have "window decorations" enabled and set properly
19:26<oleg>ok, i'll check it
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19:27<oleg>well it is ok
19:28<oleg>how can i make compiz start with the system?
19:29<oleg>i start it with a compiz-fuzion icon
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19:32<clancy>Hello,can someone help me with this?
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19:46<famelix>tengo unas preguntas de famelix
19:46<famelix>alguien m pued ayudar
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19:47<famelix>soy Carola
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19:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:50<Slurb>!dpkg kvirc
19:50<dpkg>KVirc (K Visual IRC) is a full-featured, intuitive Qt-based <IRC> client with MDI, a powerful scripting language, plugins and optional support for <KDE>. #kvirc on
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19:51<famelix>buneo gracias x la "ayuda"
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20:16<PerryArmstrong>hey can anyone tell me how i can add additional tasks using tasksel to the debian installer
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20:32<PerryArmstrong>hey can anyone tell me how i can add additional tasks using tasksel to the debian installer
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20:33<abrotman>PerryArmstrong: you were told *hours* ago on freenode
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20:34<PerryArmstrong>i want to make the changes to the installer cd not to my system abrotman
20:34<abrotman>!custom netinst
20:34<dpkg>it has been said that custom netinst is see <kmuto>
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20:39<Slurb>i did a apt-build --world and debian hauls ass
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20:46<simNIX>would a specifc preseed suffice to let installer do more then basics ?
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21:02<sam_>is there anybody that is not busy
21:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
21:03<sam_>yo I tried to sudo something
21:04<sam_>but, it told me, user not in sudoers file
21:04<sam_>so I did add my username to the sudoers file
21:04<abrotman>so don't use sudo
21:04<sam_>you mean?
21:05<wooj>sam_, use 'su' to drop into a root shell.
21:06<sam_>well, what is rather use, sudo or su?
21:06<sam_>every single web site I've seen, they talk about sudo
21:06<sam_>they all use sudo
21:06<dpkg><bja> deniz: take it easy on sudo, it looks like you are using ubuntu
21:06<bja>je je
21:07<abrotman>sam_: you don't have to ..
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21:07<vvas>sam_: so you added the username to sudoers and then?
21:07<Slurb>sam use sudo...disable root login
21:08<Slurb>much more secure
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21:08<deniz>wats secure bout su and sudo and all this
21:08<Slurb>easier to manage
21:08<sam_>and then it works.. but I'm wondering if I shouldn't add a user group
21:08<abrotman>if you don't know how to configure sudo .. probably diabling root isn't a great idea
21:08<sam_>rather than just add every single user
21:08<deniz>does it prevent executable viruses from being run in backround if they were widespread?
21:08<deniz>without permission
21:09<deniz>or is it something completely different?
21:09<Slurb>no root password
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21:09<sam_>and so
21:09<vvas>sam_: i'd guess that it is an option
21:10<vvas>sam_: if you read the manpage for sudoers it should say what to do with groups
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21:10<sam_>when I do get to gdm screen
21:10<Slurb>no root all access is ever granted to any user
21:10<sam_>it is................ flashing
21:10<sam_>you know what I mean?
21:11<Slurb>if you didnt disable root login when you installed debian just use su
21:11<abrotman>he already said sudo isn't working ..
21:11<Slurb>it is very difficult to add a user to a sudoers file from what ive read
21:11<abrotman>holy jeez
21:11<Slurb>sudo is disabled if you have su
21:12<sam_>well I don't know anything about su, gksu, sudo root and all those things
21:12<abrotman>no it's not
21:12<vvas>he said that sudo *is* working
21:12<sam_>what's the difference?
21:12<abrotman>Slurb: i have both working here .. try again
21:12<vvas>if anyone is actually paying attention
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21:12<abrotman>vvas: he said his user wasn't in the sudoers file
21:12<sam_>well I got it working
21:12<abrotman>ah ok
21:12<sam_>I'm just wondering
21:13<sam_>what's the difference
21:13<sam_>between su, gksu and sudo
21:13<Slurb>when you install if you do not disable root login it does not automatically add you to the sudoers file...if you disable root login it does
21:13<Slurb>they all do the same thing
21:13<dr|z3d>sam_: gksudo's for a gui prompt. (gtk).
21:13<abrotman>not quite
21:13<vvas>sam_: su -> gives you a root shell where you can execute any command
21:13*abrotman would be ignoring pretty much everything Slurb has said by this point
21:13<dr|z3d>*password prompt
21:14<vvas>sam_: sudo -> executes individual commands as root (potentially you can have complex configurations that limit what/how/when
21:14<abrotman>vvas: su can also switch to other user logins
21:14<abrotman>besides root i mean
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21:14<sam_>so should I prefer su to sudo?
21:14<vvas>abrotman: of course, but for the purposes of this discussion i'm sticking to the common case
21:14<vvas>sam_: whatever works for you best
21:14<Slurb>whichever you feel more comfortable with
21:15<deqc>sudo longuement criter pour sa securiter
21:15<sam_>I don't feel so comfortable with linux anyway
21:15<sam_>tu parles français?
21:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
21:16<deqc>oups mauvais canal
21:16<sam_>on te pardonne
21:16<bja>he he
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21:16<Slurb>you people are too critical
21:16<Slurb>sudo is the safest route
21:17<Slurb>i have killed systems in root shells by accident
21:17<abrotman>so 'su' is to blame?
21:17<dr|z3d>sudo leaves a 10 minute exploitable window.
21:17<abrotman>dr|z3d: by default .. that can be changed
21:17<dr|z3d>However, most don't. That's why su is preferred, I guess.
21:17<abrotman>Slurb: and you could do the same with sudo .. don't blame the tool because you can't use it correctly
21:18<Slurb>i didnt blame the tool
21:18<Slurb>i made a mistake
21:18<abrotman>yeah .. you kind of did
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21:18<Slurb>but if i used sudo it would not have happened
21:18<abrotman>right ...
21:18<sam_>it gets weird when I get to the log screen
21:18<abrotman>what does?
21:18<sam_>well, hard to explain
21:19<sam_>like if there was 1 pixel on 2 that was black
21:19<Slurb>maybe the graphics drivers
21:19<abrotman>sam_: there is a french channel if that would be easier for you ?
21:19<bja>Slurb: If killed systems because of MY slopines, not the slopines of the tools
21:19<Slurb>debian is always like 3 months behind
21:20<sam_>you're right
21:20<sam_>maybe I'm not that good in english
21:20<abrotman>sam_: which WM do you want to use?
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21:21<sam_>didn't make my choice right.. but I'm using metacity I think
21:21<sam_>the one that comes with gnome
21:21<abrotman>and you want a GUI login ?
21:21<sam_>I've one
21:21<sam_>gdm right?
21:21<abrotman>but it's not working correctly?
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21:21<abrotman>probably gdm
21:21<sam_>graphics are weird
21:22<abrotman>what is your video card?
21:22<sam_>ati radeon xpress 200m series
21:22<sam_>I don't know if it is well supported
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21:23<sam_>I always got problems with linux, with many distributions
21:23<sam_>graphic problems, sound problems, wifi problems
21:23<abrotman>that card should be supported
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21:25<Slurb>you need the proprietary driver
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21:25<Slurb>i had problems with my ati card
21:25<Slurb>its in the repos
21:26<sam_>graphical problems stop when I get to my desktop
21:26<sam_>it's short
21:26<sam_>but kinda weird
21:26<Slurb>that is strange
21:26<abrotman>no he doesn't
21:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 407] by debhelper
21:27<abrotman>Slurb: please stop lying
21:27<Slurb>mine wouldnt work with the default driver x chose
21:27<abrotman> RS400/RS480 Radeon XPRESS 200(M)/1100 IGP
21:27<abrotman>from man radeon
21:27<abrotman>sam_: lspci -nn | grep VGA .. show us that line
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21:28<sam_>k sir
21:28<Slurb>well thats what fixed it for me
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21:28<Slurb>i was unable to login a fresh install
21:28<sam_>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] [1002:5a62]
21:29<abrotman>!fglrx one-liner
21:29<dpkg>Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Lenny users: Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). Etch users: Run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select fglrx.
21:29<Slurb>that should work
21:30<streuner_>abrotman: do you know what fglrx is? :-)
21:30<abrotman>i'm aware
21:30<Slurb>ati's 3d driver
21:30<sam_>well you're sure it could fix?
21:30<Slurb>it worked for my ati card
21:31<abrotman>sam_: can't make it worse .. if it does, Slurb will fix you up :)
21:31<sam_>when I'm on lenny so, I just edit xorg.conf and..
21:31<abrotman>sam_: no .. see what the bot said above
21:31<abrotman>aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules
21:31<Slurb>do what it says in an x-terminal
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21:32<Slurb>you dont have to put it in etc modules x will load it on startup
21:32<Slurb>like a command prompt
21:33<Slurb>go to applications >accessories>terminal
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21:36<Slurb>sam_: after that command don't forget to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
21:36<abrotman>he won't need to
21:36<Slurb>module assistant adds it?
21:36<abrotman>xorg will guess
21:36<abrotman>the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't even ask you anymore
21:37<Slurb>i never mess with it anyway i just add the driver line to the config
21:38<sam_>I used to ask help to another irc channel
21:38<sam_>not on that server
21:38<sam_>they started to DOS attack me
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21:39<sam_>they even put my email on a porn website =[
21:40<sam_>so I received a lot of email
21:40<sam_>like "wow amazing tits"
21:40<streuner_>How they know the mail at all?
21:40<sam_>well, it is some kind of hosting services
21:40<sam_>by 21 years-old people
21:42<dr|z3d>They didn't put your address anywhere.
21:42<dr|z3d>Your address got harvested.
21:42<sam_>they put it on 4chan
21:42<sam_>something like that
21:42<Slurb>it gets harvested on some irc networks
21:43<Slurb>then sold as part of a list
21:43<dr|z3d>In any event, what's this got to do with debian, sam_?
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21:43<Slurb>sid is pretty stable if you ask me
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21:44<Slurb>for a beta
21:44<streuner_>Life is hard?
21:44<abrotman>oh ffs
21:44<sam_>ok driver is fullsy installed now
21:44<sam_>what do I have to do
21:44<abrotman>restart X
21:44<Slurb>cntrl alt backspace
21:44<abrotman>/etc/init.d/gdm restart
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21:45<Slurb>or logout
21:45<streuner_>please dont tell people unstable is stable :-)
21:45<dr|z3d>"shutdown - r 0" would have bought a little more time.
21:45<Slurb>i think he used cntrl alt backspace
21:45*dr|z3d winks.
21:45<Slurb>sid was pretty stable when i used it
21:45<Slurb>never froze
21:46<abrotman>Slurb: please do not recommend that people here use unstable
21:46<Slurb>i had a feeling of incompleteness though
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21:46<Slurb>i wouldnt
21:46<abrotman>sam_: all better?
21:46<sam_>I think it fixed some problems..
21:46<sam_>not all the problems
21:46<Slurb>it tried to mess up my system
21:46<Slurb>apt did
21:47<abrotman>sounds like you did
21:47<Slurb>said i had about 200 packages no longer needed
21:47<abrotman>sam_: what is wrong now ?
21:47<Slurb>would have crippled my system though
21:47<abrotman>!tell Slurb about enter
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21:47<sam_>I don't know how to explain it in english
21:47<sam_>does flashing mean something?
21:48<abrotman>like i said .. there is a #debian-fr
21:48<dr|z3d>Flashing, sure.
21:48<sam_>there is nobody in it
21:48<dr|z3d>Clignoter or something?
21:48<Slurb>flashing is normal on ati in my experience
21:48<Slurb>couldnt fix it
21:48<Slurb>never looked for help here though
21:49<Slurb>just one quick flash
21:49<abrotman>sam_: what is flashing?
21:50<dr|z3d>I guess he means flickering. Low refresh or somesuch.
21:50<abrotman>yeah .. what is twinkling ?
21:50<Slurb>right before the login screen appears right?
21:50<sam_>ok, tanslators are bad
21:50<sam_>yes slurb
21:50<sam_>it looks like a low refresh too
21:50<Slurb>it is strange
21:50<abrotman>that's probing ?
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21:50<Slurb>i couldnt fix that
21:51<dr|z3d>xrandr or grandr.
21:51<dr|z3d>Should help.
21:51<Slurb>it didnt efect the way it worked though
21:51<Slurb>and i got the same flash before starting 3d games or apps
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21:52<Slurb>it looked kinda like a degaus from and old monitor
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21:53<Slurb>is knoppix debian?
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21:54<Slurb>i thought it to be gentoo
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21:54<sam_>okay, I got to go now
21:54<Slurb>have fun
21:54<sam_>I'll come back if more problems occur
21:55<sam_>byebye guys
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21:56<lasheimok>Hi all :)
21:56<lasheimok>What is the right channel to ask about "no sound in squeeze"?
21:57<streuner_>just ask
21:57<lasheimok>About mid June sound suddenly stopped working.
21:57<lasheimok>ThinkPad T43, intel sound chip
21:57<lasheimok>mic still works, but no sound.
21:57<streuner_>different kernel?
21:58<lasheimok>I don't remember what exactly updated at that day.
21:58<Slurb>pcm probably muted
21:58<streuner_>sure, could be
21:58<Slurb>run alsaconfig
21:58<Slurb>no alsamixer
21:58<streuner_>lasheimok: what kind of chipset?
21:59<lasheimok>00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
21:59<lasheimok>nothing is muted according to alsamixer
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22:00<Slurb>alsaconfig may fix it
22:00<streuner_>lasheimok: sid
22:00<streuner_>lasheimok: ?
22:00<Slurb>that card should have sound
22:01<streuner_>ah, yes, he told us
22:01<lasheimok>What is alsaconfig? apt-file doesn't find it.
22:01<gsimmons>Slurb: There is no alsaconf is Squeeze.
22:01<abrotman>alsaconf you mean? it's gone
22:01<abrotman>Slurb: are you even using debian currently?
22:01<Slurb>dpkg-reconfigure alsa?
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22:02<streuner_>abrotman: well, it was the same here...
22:02<Slurb>i havent had to mess with any of this since i upgraded to lenny
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22:02<streuner_>abrotman: you dont need alsaconf many times usually, and all in sudden its gone...
22:02<Slurb>where did it go?
22:03<gsimmons>dpkg: alsaconfig
22:03<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, gsimmons
22:03<abrotman>streuner_: uhm .. why are you telling me ?
22:03<gsimmons>dpkg: alsaconf
22:03<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from 'alsa-utils' at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also
22:03<abrotman>Slurb: removed .. not useful anymore supposedly
22:03<streuner_>lasheimok: just try to use that kernel what you used before
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22:04<streuner_>lasheimok: its the same here, the soundcard (intel) has different chipsets and my notebook work only with an .24er Kernel (sound)
22:04<Slurb>i would try reinstalling alsa
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22:04<lasheimok>Oops, I just realized I messed up the date when it stopped working. It was mid may, not mid june.
22:04<streuner_>ALSA is part of the kernel...
22:04<dr|z3d>Better to reset any custom alsa configs.
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22:05<Slurb>type in a terminal /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart and see what it says
22:06<lasheimok>* Shutting down ALSA... [ OK ]
22:06<lasheimok> * Setting up ALSA... [ OK ]
22:06<Slurb>as long as there is no error you should have sound
22:07<lasheimok>How do I downgrade to an .24 kernel?
22:07<streuner_>lasheimok: nah
22:07<Slurb>thats a pain
22:07<streuner_>i didnt say YOUR notebook work with an .24 kernel
22:08<streuner_>i said my notebook work only with .24 in order to get sound...
22:08<Slurb>he had sound before though
22:08<Slurb>the old kernel should still be installed
22:08<streuner_>yeah, thats why we told him to try his old kernel
22:08<Slurb>choose it in the grub menu
22:09<lasheimok>grub offers three different versions of .26, but no .24
22:09<lasheimok>I think I tried an older kernel back then, but it didn't make a difference.
22:09<Slurb>try the middle one
22:10<lasheimok>All the currently installed kernels were installed after sound stopped working, so no point in trying them again.
22:10<Slurb>on my card there was an option if checked it killed the sound
22:11<Slurb>some dac option
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22:12<Slurb>exchange dac
22:12<abrotman>lasheimok: have you tried reading through dmesg to look for errors?
22:13<Wilduck>So, I'm running Debian Lenny, and I'd like to install E17, which is only in the sid repository. What do I need to add to my sources.list file to be able to install it?
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22:14<dpkg>Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17, or
22:14<lasheimok>At a first glance I don't see errors in dmesg
22:15<abrotman>i meant more .. does it even see your sound card?
22:15<abrotman>does sound work for root?
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22:16<Wilduck>basically I just want to know how to install something from the sid repository
22:16<Wilduck>while running lenny
22:16<streuner_>Wilduck: /msg dpkg backports
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22:17<Slurb>!dpkg tell Wilduck backports
22:17<Slurb>i think i did that wrong
22:17<streuner_>! is alias for dpkg
22:17<Slurb>dpkg yelled at me
22:17<dpkg>Slurb: bugger all, i dunno
22:17<abrotman>Wilduck: you probably don't want to do that .. mixing versions of debian will usually end up in a broken system
22:17<Slurb>its not a good ideal
22:18<Wilduck>sad times
22:18<lasheimok>I don't see the sound card mentioned in dmsg, but pulseaudio detects it, and the mic is working.
22:19<streuner_>.oO (pulseaudio)
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22:20<Slurb>turn the pulseaudio volume up
22:20<lasheimok>it is
22:20<lasheimok>nothing is muted, all the volume is up
22:20<Slurb>i dont use pulse
22:20<Slurb>im 64bit
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22:23<lasheimok>After all I read in the forums I guessed it was related to PulseAudio, but none of the suggested solutions work.
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22:24<lasheimok>except for commenting out "load-module module-device-restore" in /etc/pulse/ Now the sound is not displayed as muted any more, but there's still no sound.
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22:25<streuner_>did you install pulseaudio after or before it worked?
22:26<lasheimok>I didn't install it manually. So unless apt-get installed it itself it should have been there before.
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22:29<Slurb>try killall pulseaudio
22:29<Slurb>then pulseaudio -D as a user
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22:30<streuner_>!info pulseaudio
22:30<dpkg>pulseaudio: (PulseAudio sound server), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.15-3 (sid), Packaged size: 920 kB, Installed size: 3296 kB
22:31<streuner_>lasheimok: well, somebody installed it :-)
22:32<lasheimok>Slurb: running pulseaudio -D as a user doesn't make any difference.
22:32<lasheimok>streuner_: I'm just checking the update log
22:32<Slurb>its probably the same
22:33<Slurb>just restarts it
22:35<lasheimok>When I click the 'Test' button in the sound properties dialogue, I can see the sound in the volume meter, but I can't hear anything.
22:39<streuner_>answer abrotman's question
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22:39<streuner_>did you add your user into sound group?
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22:41<lasheimok>yes, I'm in the audio group
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22:43<lasheimok>I also added the user to the pulse-rt group, but didn't make any difference.
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22:47<lasheimok>At 2009-05-12, pulseaudio was upgraded from 0.9.14 to 0.9.15. That was the week when sound stopped working. (I'm not sure whether it was the exact day, though.)
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23:16<streuner__>lasheimok: hm, makes sence then to me, did you look in BTS yet?
23:16<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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23:17<streuner__>judd, versions pulseaudio
23:17<judd>streuner__: pulseaudio -- etch: 0.9.5-5etch1 etch-security: 0.9.5-5etch1 lenny: 0.9.10-3 squeeze: 0.9.15-2 sid: 0.9.15-3
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23:19<sephiroth>shall i join?
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23:19<streuner__>join to what?
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23:20<sephiroth>to this forum
23:20<Slurb>whats your asoundrc file say in it
23:20<Slurb>allthough i dont think its needed anymore
23:21<Slurb>i dont have one
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23:27<lasheimok>I can't find an asoundrc file.
23:27<Slurb>it would be in your home file its actually .asoundrc
23:27<lasheimok>streuner__: I did look at bug reports, but none of the suggestions seemed to work.
23:28<lasheimok>no ~/.asoundrc
23:28<Slurb>type gedit ~/.asoundrc
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23:33<Slurb>is it a laptop
23:33<Slurb>is there a physical vulume dial or anything
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23:35<lasheimok>yes, there is
23:35<lasheimok>Slurb: that was it.
23:36<lasheimok>I thought it would just give signals to the software, I didn't know it was actually a hardware control.
23:36<lasheimok>Thanx! :)
23:36<streuner>!beer Slurb
23:36*dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for Slurb
23:36<Slurb>i remembered my laptop...glad to help
23:37<Hideo>heh, let this be a lesson, check the physical first then the virtual
23:37<Slurb>thx for the beer
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23:42<lasheimok>thank you so much! :)
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23:42<lasheimok>There aren't any dancing and party etc. emoticons in irc?
23:43<lasheimok>What's the irc way of doing this?
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23:43<colby>i think you just did the irc way of doing emoticons
23:44<Hideo>that's me with a mustache
23:44<sney>( ´_ゝ`)
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23:48<streuner>dpkg, karma Slurb
23:48<dpkg>slurb has karma of 1
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