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00:05<SuperMiguel>how u install nvidia drivers?
00:06<Slurb>apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia
00:06<Slurb>i think
00:06<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
00:06<Slurb>i think it will download everything for you
00:07<Slurb>i did the above and it worked for me
00:08<Slurb>if i remember correctly
00:08<ml|>follow the wiki and you'll be fine
00:08<SuperMiguel>that wiki is kinda confusing
00:09<Slurb>you have to add a sudo in front of all those commands unless you use a root terminal
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00:09<sam_>it's me again
00:09<ml|>SuperMiguel: it was not for me just read it carefully
00:09<SuperMiguel>ml|, whats Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources (
00:10<sam_>how can I put flash player on iceweasel
00:10<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about sources.list
00:10<sam_>adobe's one
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00:10<Slurb>sam apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
00:10<Slurb>but its 32bit
00:11<craigevil>!tell sam_ about Adobe Flash
00:11<Slurb>and uses ndispluginwrapper
00:11<Slurb>which may be indesireable
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00:11<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about non-free
00:11<sam_>E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
00:12<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about contrib
00:12<ml|>dpkg: tell sam_ about dmm
00:12<Slurb>enable the non-free repos sam_
00:12<ml|>sam on lenny?
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00:12<Slurb>or is it the multimedia
00:12<sam_>I'm on lenny
00:12<Slurb>id get both repos in your sources.list
00:13<craigevil>sam_: install flashplugin-nonfree from
00:13<ml|>dpkg: tell sam_ about dmm lenny
00:13<Slurb>i installed it and didnt have to use backports
00:13<Slurb>i have lenny
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00:14<ml|>there are two one in dmm and other in non-free
00:14<sam_>yo how can I install if from
00:14<sam_>have to add it
00:14<sam_>to my sources.list?
00:14<ml|>dpkg: tell sam_ about sources.list
00:15<sam_>hey ml|
00:15<SuperMiguel>ml|, so just add the word contrib ?
00:15<sam_>I don't know exactly what you're doing
00:15<sam_>I don't receive anything from dpkg?
00:15<ml|>sam_: read msg's from dpkg
00:15<sam_>I see
00:16<ml|>SuperMiguel: one sec
00:16<Slurb>dpkg: tell sam_ about sex
00:16<ml|>mine looks like ... deb testing main contrib non-free
00:17<ml|>and ... deb-src testing main
00:17<Slurb>it should have flashplayer-mozilla
00:18<ml|>deb testing main
00:18<craigevil>flashplayer-mozilla is from dmm, flashplugin-nofree is from backports if your on lenny both do the samething
00:18<Slurb>that is all i have added
00:19<ml|>and for security ... deb testing/updates main contrib non-free
00:19<ml|>deb-src testing/updates main
00:19<ml|>change testing for lenny or stable if on lenny
00:21<sam_>ok but
00:21<sam_>there was something else that adobe flash player
00:21<ml|>and read what dpkg told you guys
00:21<sam_>another kind of player
00:22<sam_>that was too laggy for youtube videos
00:22<sam_>how can I remove it?
00:22<ml|>reverse the steps you took
00:22<Slurb>flashplayer-mozilla works great for me im lenny x64
00:22<ml|>yeah dmm flash player is good
00:23<sam_>yes but it seems like it didn't replace the old player
00:23<ml|>sam_: you need to remove old one before installing new one
00:23<sam_>how D=
00:23<craigevil>sam_: as root do update-alternatives --config and pick the one you want to use
00:23<ml|>how did you install it?
00:24<ml|>or you can do that
00:24<Slurb>i believe its apt-get purge gnash-swf i think
00:24<ml|>but iwould purge it
00:24<sam_>well iceweasel had its own player
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00:24<sney>and it's terrible
00:24<Slurb>i think its gnash by default
00:24<Slurb>all choppy
00:24<ml|>dpkg: tell Slurb about why aptitude
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00:25<Slurb>aptitude is smarter
00:25<sam_>couldn't find package gnash-swf
00:25<Slurb>i think thats what its called
00:25<sam_>tried it too
00:25<sam_>not installed
00:25<Slurb>maybe just gnash
00:26<sam_>Package gnash is not installed, so not removed
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00:26<ml|>swfdec maybe
00:26<Slurb>i believe its apt-get purge gnash-opengl i think
00:26<sam_>oh I've seen that name during the installation
00:26<sam_>maybe it's swfdec
00:27<ml|>dpkg: tell sam_ about why aptitude
00:27<sam_>Package gnash-opengl is not installed, so not removed
00:27<craigevil>if you didnt install gnash its not installed, if your on gnome the default is libswfdec
00:27<ml|>i don't think any flash is installed by default
00:28<Slurb>gnash was for me
00:28<sney>it comes with some of the tasks but it isn't base default or anything
00:28<sam_>can I search through installed packages?
00:28<sam_>like apt-cache search
00:29<sam_>but for installed packages
00:29<ml|>well sney is right, that's why i didn't have any i just did base install
00:29<ml|>apt-cache search flash
00:30<sam_>found it
00:30<sam_>yay it works now
00:30<ml|>aptitude purge
00:31<ml|>what works?
00:31<ml|>about:plugins and see what version of flash you have
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00:32<sam_>Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22
00:32<ml|>Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22 here
00:32<sam_>latest I think?
00:33<ml|>!congratulate sam_
00:33<dpkg>Yay sam_, you did it!
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00:33<sam_>I really have some work to do
00:33<sam_>with linux
00:33<ml|>new to linux?
00:33<sam_>I hope I'll be soon as comfortable as on windows
00:33<sam_>almost new
00:34<ml|>dpkg: tell sam_ about grounding
00:34<ml|>dpkg: tell sam_ about msg the bot
00:34<ml|>dpkg will help if you use him
00:34<dpkg>ml|: I give up, what is it?
00:35<dpkg>I'm not sure
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00:41<SuperMiguel>when i install virtualbox i get: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist.
00:41<SuperMiguel> Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and
00:41<SuperMiguel> load the module named vboxdrv into your system.
00:41<Slurb>kvirc is the closest to mirc i have found
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00:42<Hideo>mirc is the closest to crap I've ever found
00:42<dpkg>rumour has it, irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read . See also . #irssi on and
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00:42<ml|>yes irssi is the best hands down :)
00:42<Slurb>kvirc blows irssi away
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00:43<Slurb>so much easier
00:43<gsimmons>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel -about virtualbox
00:43<ml|>easier doesn't mean better
00:43<ml|>anyways it's about choice ;)
00:43<sam_>here's a bug
00:43<Slurb>niether does more difficult
00:44<sam_>my sound is bugging =[
00:44<ml|>enjoy kvirc :)
00:44<Hideo>man, there can be a war for anything in oss, editor war, irc client war, distro war, wm war, etc...
00:44<sam_>is there a way I can restart sound?
00:45<dondelelcaro>sam_: unload and reload the sound modules
00:45<craigevil>Hideo: distro war? everyone knows Debian is the Best :)
00:46<Hideo>of course
00:47<Hideo>and gentoo people are still compiling kde
00:47<ml|>that's debatable ;P
00:47<sam_>how can I kill iceweasel
00:47<ml|>killall iceweasel
00:48<sam_>the processes was called firefox-bin
00:48<ml|>yeah always forget that
00:48<sam_>didn't know
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00:50<SuperMiguel>is there a way to put a google search in ice like firefox does?
00:50<niru>Hi all
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00:50<dondelelcaro>SuperMiguel: it is by default?
00:51<SuperMiguel>dondelelcaro, what u mean? is not there by default
00:51<Slurb>just type in the address bar and hit enter
00:51<niru>I took the php source and did a ./configure --with-pgsql make and make install.While I gave dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc -sa it is showing dpkg-source: cannot represent change to regex/.libs/regfree.o: binary file contents changed
00:51<niru> and many such errors
00:51<SuperMiguel>Slurb, good point :P
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00:55<Slurb>niru: sudo apt-get install -f
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00:55<Slurb>do a make clean
00:55<Slurb>then try again
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00:56<sam_>okay, next step will be to make running dual screen
00:56<ml|>SuperMiguel: maybe try kvm
00:56<niru>Slurb, but I want to create deb package
00:56<sam_>and also
00:57<sam_>the sound is bugging
00:57<Slurb>SuperMiguel i have much better luck and its way faster with virtualbox
00:57<Slurb>from the virtualbox website
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00:57<niru>Slurb, yes after make clean buildpackage is working fine
00:57<astronut>is there a way to sort a list of strings by length in shell?
00:58<astronut>sort's manpage doesn't hint at it
00:58<SuperMiguel>Slurb, when ever u install it... where do it get install /etc/bin?
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00:58<niru>Slurb, Slurb but I dont know why the building process stops for a long time at clamav saying your antivirus has been outdated by 7 days so update it
00:58<Slurb>in gnome its under applications system tools
00:59<ml|>SuperMiguel: read the docs on vbox's site for non ose use
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01:00<Slurb>i dont know
01:00<SuperMiguel>k got it :P
01:00<SuperMiguel>thanks guys
01:00<SuperMiguel>time to sleep :)
01:00<SuperMiguel>good luck all
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01:11<Slurb>niru: it seems to build with apt-build
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01:12<Slurb>did you do a sudo apt-get build-dep clamav
01:12<niru>Slurb, no I just did sudo apt-get install clamav
01:13<Slurb>that will work too
01:14<niru>Slurb, what google has shown is only when clean is not proper the error of source changed,unpresedented changes to source comes
01:15<niru>Slurb, but what is wrong with clean in rules file I am not able to find
01:15<Slurb>try a make clean && make mrproper
01:15<Slurb>i am not sure
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01:16<niru>Slurb, ok but will that not clean all my make information and I need to do a make again
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01:52<ml|>!ops Cefty spam
01:52<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ml| complains about: Cefty spam
01:52<jm_>and i was hoping we'll bore the retard until he leaves
01:53<ml|>jm_: yes, but he's being at it for a while now
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01:55<ml|>dondelelcaro: thanks
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02:19<kashif>how to install webadmin plugin in trac
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02:20<k>i'm running debian lenny, and alacarte doesn't work. adding a menu item gives no error, but it doesn't actually add the new entry to the menu (either the menu itself, or the menu editor screen.) i can, however, edit existing menu items successfully.
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02:22<hajoucha>hi, after installing debina lenny on my server, the names of drives changed. It is very confusing and I would like to change the order (sda, sdb...) to be the same as it was during isntallation. How can I achieve that?
02:23<jm_>hajoucha: don't bother, use other methods to get arround the problem
02:23<gsimmons>kashif: The plugin isn't necessary, it's part of core Trac as of 0.11.
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02:29<hajoucha>jm_ you mean mount by labels or UUID ?
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02:30<kashif>how to check my current trac version
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02:30<kashif>means it is below .11 or above
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02:32<wekt>I'd like to verify, by response from this channel, that in apt preferences there is no way to apply a Pin to a Packages Section. Correct?
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02:33<kashif>Thanks i got it
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02:34<jm_>hajoucha: for example yes, if that is the problem you are trying to solve
02:35<kashif>gsimmons: it is possible to run different svn project in same TRAC
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02:37<gsimmons>kashif: See the answer to question 3.6 of the Trac FAQ.
02:39<hajoucha>jm_, more than solving the actual problem I am interested in understanding why this happened.
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02:40<hajoucha>jm_, for example, can it be caused by the order by which the modules get loaded into kernel?
02:40<jm_>hajoucha: several possibilities - you switched to IDE driver using libata, order in which modules are loaded etc.
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02:41<kashif>gsimmons : thanks for help but problem is actually it is not clear to me what i used is i create trac-admin /var/trac/projectname initenv
02:41<kashif>agsimmons: and pass svn path and then add it to apache conf file
02:42<kashif>and every time different trac for every projects and independent from each other
02:43<kashif>gsimmons : but i want single trac and all my SVN projects integrated with that
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02:44<kashif>gsimmons : now it is like http://......../trac/project1 http://......../trac/project2 http://......../trac/project3 etc
02:44<gsimmons>kashif: This doesn't sound like an issue specific to Debian. You'll want to raise this in #trac on
02:44<hajoucha>jm_: oh, I see.
02:44<kashif>gsimmons : Thanks
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02:46<hajoucha>jm_: well, since there are several options, I will try the easiest one first - changing boot order in bios. That can also influence the names of the sata drives.
02:48<jm_>hajoucha: it doesn't normally
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02:49<hajoucha>jm_: hmm, strange. I have found several reports on google claiming just that. Also, it seems in my case it also works - but can't confirm that yet, since the machine did not come alive after reboot - which suggest a change in / partition name (sdb -> sda).
02:51<hajoucha>jm_: (I am not physicaly present at the server room, it is a different location in the city and I am talking to another guy there.... :) )
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02:52<jm_>hajoucha: boot order in bios has no influence on it, must be something else
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02:55<hajoucha>jm_: surely in my case it worked, though I do not know why. The only thnik I can think of is the grub name ... since I use (hd0,1) and than on the kernel line root=/dev/sda2 ...
02:55<jm_>hajoucha: in that case it would be a grub error, not mount error
02:56<hajoucha>jm_: so I am imagining that the match between (hd0,1) and /dev/sdX can change.
02:56<hajoucha>jm_: yes
02:57<aardvarX>it might be easiest just to actually flip your drives around
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02:57<hajoucha>aardvarX: not really, I have one SATA drive and 3 raids.
02:58<hajoucha>if it was a wrong case, than SATA was sdb and raids were sda, sdc, sdd. So I wanted it to be sda = SATA, [sdb,sdc,sdd] = raid controller
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02:59<jm_>best to simply use mount by label/uuid for sda, and for raids add udev rules and specify your names in raid config
03:00<hajoucha>now I have some news... :))) After changing the boot order for the first time and reboot, the sdb was forgotten and I thought it was sda (which workde after another reboot and changing kernel line in grub manualy) so I changed the grub menu.lst so the sda becomes permanent. After another reboot, again it become sdb! How confusing!
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03:01<hajoucha>jm_: yes, that will perhaps be the necessary solution anyway.
03:01<KaiSVK>hi all, does anybody know, when will be kernel 2.6.30 in testing ? I looked on why is not in testing page, and it says "Trying to update" so I hope tomorrow is the day ?
03:02<jm_>no it won't reach testing so quickly
03:02<KaiSVK>jm_, why ? :(
03:02<jm_>KaiSVK: because that's not how packages reach testing
03:03<jm_>!judd kernels
03:03<dpkg>jm_, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
03:03<KaiSVK>jm_, I have seen that it has some dependencies problems, but still, it would be time for it... 2.26.26 still from the relesase of Lenny (december 2008)
03:03<jm_>judd kernels
03:03<judd>jm_: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.29-trunk-686 (2.6.29-1~experimental.2~snapshot.13314); sid: 2.6.29-2-686 (2.6.29-5); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
03:04<jm_>KaiSVK: heck it's not even in unstable
03:04<gsimmons>judd's lying, 2.6.30 is in unstable.
03:04<KaiSVK>jm_, I doubt that ... look
03:04<dmoerner>it's in unstable for some arches, amd64 and i686 at least, ia64 and sparc just made it i think
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03:05<jm_>KaiSVK: right, but it will not reach testing for some time
03:05<KaiSVK>well, I don't understand why
03:05<KaiSVK>everything should work fine :/
03:05<dmoerner>it's in amd64, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc, to be exact.
03:05<jm_>surprising, normally i386 lags like hell for new packages lately, they must build kernels separately
03:05<KaiSVK>dmoerner, so it must be available for all archs ?
03:06<debam>jm_ if i take debian-installer from lenny and tryes to compile for newer kernel then it gives error that version udeb is not avaialable.if want to compile debian-installer with kernel 2.6.30 then what i have to do?
03:06<KaiSVK>dmoerner, what hold it back then ?
03:06<dmoerner>KaiSVK, my point is that it's been in sid for 2 days at the most, it will be 10 days at the least before it gets to testing
03:06<dmoerner>britney's holding it back like normal
03:06<KaiSVK>britney ?
03:06<jm_>debam: d-i docs explain what to do to use a newer kernel with it
03:07<dmoerner>i lied, britney doesn't exist anymore.
03:07<KaiSVK>dmoerner, I have seen that 2.6.30 was in unstable for more than 10 days, then 2.6.30-1 was int unstable for 2 days now ... and they are trying to upgrade testing to 2.6.30-1
03:07<@Ganneff>wrong, it does exist.
03:07<joe__>right now im using flite for a tts engine, and it sounds terrible, what would be a better one to use?
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03:08<dmoerner>KaiSVK, 2.6.30 has not been in unstable for more than 10 days, it is 2 days old.
03:10<KaiSVK>dmoerner, look what I said, 2.6.30 package for 10 days and then 2.6.30-1 package for 2 days
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03:11<dmoerner>KaiSVK, i think you are confused. linux-2.6 is not a debian native package. thus, it must have an epoch (-1 or -2 or whatever). there was never a 2.6.30 package in unstable. what are you talking about?
03:12<KaiSVK>dmoerner, I am serious, I watch "Why is not in testing" webpage everyday
03:14<jm_>good reading that page
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03:15<dmoerner>KaiSVK, you are misreading it then. the short answer to your question is that 2.6.30 will not make it to squeeze until linux-kbuild-2.6.30 is up-to-date, as makes apparent
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03:55<jesperj>I just upgraded to lenny from etch. my swedish keyboard layout works in consolemode but in Xorg with gnome I have us layout. In gnome control center the layouts listed are US and Swedish and Swedish is set as standard...
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03:58<jesperj>when I readded the exact same layout
03:58<jesperj>it worked
03:58<jesperj>oh well atleast it works now :)
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03:59<leejongwook>@_@ <-- this is my eyes
03:59<leejongwook>means i'm watching people
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04:00<jesperj>leejongwook: ok
04:00<jesperj>those eyes looked like "rolling eyes" so I wondered what you were rolling them for
04:01<leejongwook>my eyes always rolling 'cause
04:01<leejongwook>i'm a new at gnu/linux but know how to configure it
04:02<leejongwook>except firewall
04:02<leejongwook>and etc..
04:02<leejongwook>anyway nice to meet you jesperj
04:02<leejongwook>i'm from south korea :)
04:04<leejongwook>it's really too deep to know about basic iptables setting
04:04<jm_>!iptables tutorial
04:04<dpkg>i heard iptables tutorial is
04:04<jesperj>thank you leejongwook. nice to meet you as well. I'm from Sweden. I am watching the situation over there with fear of North Korea and I really hope your contry will be spared from any harm
04:04<leejongwook>thanks jm
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04:05<leejongwook>:) we will be ok, no matter what, we're really to fight all the time
04:05<leejongwook>really --> ready
04:06<leejongwook>@_@ iptables makes me headache
04:08<jesperj>leejongwook: you're definately the good guys in that situation so you better win :) ( and I hope the rest of the world helps you to do so if North Korea attacks you )
04:08<leejongwook>thanks :)
04:08<leejongwook>your nice, thanks a lot :)
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04:12<jesperj>leejongwook: np. I'd be quite scared if I had North Korea as a neighbour country myself. It's an insane government which totally opresses its people and threatens neighbour countries and the world. I just hope that it will not happen that North Korea and maybe Iran and some other countries team up against the US and Europe if war would break out
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04:12<jesperj>I think chances are quite slim the world will survive as we know it when WW3 comes. Nuclear bombs will probably fall all over the place :(((((
04:13*jesperj sighs
04:13<hajoucha>if I have uuid names in /etc/fstab, what I should supply as a root= argument to the grub ?
04:15<leejongwook>jesperj, :)
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04:20<htraki>Please, would someone throw me a .xine/config sample ?
04:20<jesperj>How do I change it so when clicking the panel gnome menu, the menu is visible and does not dissapear unless I hold the mousebutton down as now?
04:20<jesperj>it might be gtk settings?
04:20<jesperj>cant find in gnome-control-center
04:21<leejongwook>htraki, i dont have ~/.xine/config, sorry
04:21<leejongwook>i only have ~/.xine/catalog.cache
04:22<htraki>leejoongwook: Me too, that is my problem
04:22<htraki>I need that, to get xine-plugins to work
04:23<htraki>I have two soundcards, and the sound goes to the wrong output
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04:23<htraki>but amarok, and kmplayer works.
04:24<htraki>They handle that internally
04:24<jesperj>I think it might be gtk settings to change so clicking gnome menu makes menu stay and not dissapear unless I hold mousebutton down?
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04:30<jesperj>when I click a menu in an app that I think uses gtk, like the gnome-panel-menu, gftp, xchat, the menu is only shown when I hold down the left button
04:30<jesperj><jesperj> if I release the button, the menu dissapears
04:30<jesperj><jesperj> I would like the menu to stay open when I just click the menu
04:31<jesperj>just upgraded to lenny from etch on this computer
04:31<jesperj>in #gtk+ a guy suggests it is probably something that got broken in upgrade
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04:31<jesperj>I thought : it would be strange if it was NOT a setting since it works when I click and hold down on a menu
04:32<jm_>gtk in lenny definitely doesn't behave like that for me, check what happens with mouse events in xev when you do the same
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04:32<kashif>gsimmons: i tried to install multirepos under then my trac stop working and gives error
04:33<kashif>gsimmons : i used this link as help
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04:41<jm_>jesperj: there are no button events in there
04:44<jesperj>hmm ok. I tried to cut/paste what was relevant. will retry
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04:49<jesperj>jm_: this is what I got when I chose the window id for Xchat for xev, then went to Xchat window and clicked one of the menues, and the menu showed (while I held down the left mousebutton) then menu dissapears when I release button, and then I went to terminal and copy/pasted the xev output
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04:50<tecpatl>whatsup, maybe some of you remember me (the newbie)
04:51<jesperj>hmm I see that it says "jesper@core2duo:~$ xev -id 0x2800005xev -id 0x2800005jesper@core2duo:~$ xev -id 0x2800005xev -id 0x2800005" but xev started without errors and monitored the correct window...
04:51<tecpatl>now using iceweasel instead of firefox, works moreless the same
04:52<ml|>i installed a package from sid with aptitude -t package , now that the package is in testing, i would like to upgrade from testing again and not unstable, how do i do this?
04:53<jesperj>jm_: I can't see any events named *button* atleast either...
04:53<tecpatl>Im trying to install my wireless card :S Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG but i got lost
04:53<jm_>jesperj: are you sure you specified the right window? try just xev and press/release mouse button in xev window and see if it's shown there
04:53<dpkg>If you're running Lenny (or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel) - ask me about <iwlwifi> instead as you can't use the old ipw3945 driver. For Etch with the 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>.
04:53<jm_>tecpatl: ^^^^^^
04:54<jesperj>jm_: well yeah it should be since I did xwininfo on the xchat window and got the id. But sure
04:54<jesperj>and also only output came in terminal when I had mouse over the xchat window
04:55<jesperj>yeah xev win gives buttonpress/release events
04:55<jesperj>I can try another window... gftp for example
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04:57<tecpatl><jm_> Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG, is that what you mean?
04:57<jm_>tecpatl: do /msg dpkg iwlwifi
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04:59<greatdebnoob>hi, can anyone help me? having trouble installing debian
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05:00<jesperj>jm_: . very odd. As you see I got the right ID for gftp which I tried this time, then went to gftp window, clicked help menu and brought up the help tool, and the help tool started, but xev noticed no buttonevents?
05:00<tecpatl>>dpkg< iwlwifi
05:00<ml|>greatdebnoob: reda the install guide?
05:02<jm_>jesperj: yes it seems it's not showing it when used with -id option
05:02<jm_>!tell tecpatl -about iwlwifi
05:02<chealer>!tell greatdebnoob about ask
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05:02<jesperj>jm_: it does seem like the error is gtk related somehow though?
05:03<tecpatl>thanks <chealer> jm_>
05:03<jm_>jesperj: hmm I doubt that, more people would notice it then
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05:04<jesperj>jm_: can it be something like that old config files are in my homedir from etch and doesnt work with lenny?
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05:04<hajoucha>is is possible to change label on swap partition which is now in "swapon" state?
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05:05<jm_>jesperj: gtkrc files you mean? that should be esay to verify
05:06*jesperj sighs
05:06<jesperj>well I guess it wont make a difference what window manager I try
05:06<jesperj>how would you go about solving this?
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05:07<jesperj>i am thinking about trying 1) as a new clean user to see if it is old configs 2) with other windowmanagers
05:07<jesperj>3) with other mouse (but this one works but just _cause_)
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05:08<jesperj>but since iceweasel and xchat and everything reacts the same I doubt it is gnome...
05:08<jesperj>but I'll try another windowmanager to be sure
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05:08<jesperj>epiphany uses gtk also I think and it works fine. of course maybe it is because gnome and epiphany is quite integrated if I have understood it correctly, that epiphany works if it is gnome-related error
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05:09<greatdebnoob>i've read some of the install guide yes, but didn't find a solution
05:09<jesperj>or well "works" in the sense that I can atleast click the menus and rightclick :)
05:09<brunner>Does anyone know how many USB devices can exist on one system?
05:09<jesperj>greatdebnoob: what's the problem?
05:09<jm_>jesperj: hmm not really sure, did you try moving gtkrc files out of the way? otherwise xtrace might show something
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05:10<jm_>jesperj: easiest to test as a different user first, might also be some accessibility feature
05:11<jesperj>jm_: not yet. but I will try that and the above things and come back here. need to shutdown xchat since it's not niftly like screenable clients when I try, then I'll return here :)
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05:14<greatdebnoob>I'm getting a debootstrap warning while installing the base system
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05:16<greatdebnoob>failure trying to run chroot /target dpkg etc.
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05:17<jm_>you are a noob and you're using deboostrap - why?
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05:20<greatdebnoob>hey I just ran the graphical installer
05:20<azeem_>greatdebnoob: is it a warning or an error?
05:21<azeem_>how do you see the warning, is it a dialog box?
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05:21<greatdebnoob>well, when i press continue it says debootstrap exited with an error
05:22<gsimmons>hajoucha: Not AFAIK. You'll need to swapoff it prior to mkswap -L foo.
05:22<azeem>greatdebnoob: continue to what message?
05:22<greatdebnoob>no, not as a dialog box
05:22<jesperj>jm_: hmm kde and fluxbox behaves the same. I moved ~/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 to ~/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2.bup before also but didnt work. maybe i should reinstall gtk and choose to install the new config files for it? how do I do that?
05:22<jm_>brunner: I think there's no arbitrary limit
05:22<brunner>jm_: thanks!
05:22<jm_>jesperj: KDE with QT apps?
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05:22<jesperj>jm_: gftp
05:22<jesperj>in KDE
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05:23<jesperj>jm_: KDE main menu stayed visible with single click on it
05:23<greatdebnoob>azeem: "Base system installation error. The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1). Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details"
05:23<jesperj>then I fired up gftp and just checked if gftp behaved as in gnome and it did
05:24<azeem>greatdebnoob: I guess partitioning/formatting went wrong then
05:24<jesperj>I also now noticed that if I hold down mousebutton over gnome menu for X seconds and release it, then it stays visible
05:24<jm_>jesperj: hmm then I really have no idea what would be causing this - GTK really has only one config file
05:25<jesperj>same in xchat....
05:25<greatdebnoob>hmm.. possible.. I tried using lvm.. followed the guide and everything
05:25<jesperj>think it is like 3-4 seconds
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05:25<jesperj>jm_: might be systemwide config file that is messed up from etch?
05:25<jesperj>thats why I thought of reinstalling gtk and getting the new config file
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05:25<jm_>jesperj: check /etc/gtk-2.0/im-multipress.conf, I doubt it
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05:25<greatdebnoob>having a partition for / outside lvm also
05:27<jesperj>jm_: what am I looking for? If I want to just reinstall gtk and make it overwrite my /etc/ gtk config files with the fresh ones, how do I do that? (think it is worth a try)
05:28<jm_>jesperj: just install it with dpkg and it'll ask you about it if config file is modified
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05:29<jesperj>jm_: just libgtk2.0-0 right?
05:29<jm_>jesperj: perhaps play with some of these settings in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 :
05:29<jm_>jesperj: that's the main one yes
05:29*jesperj nods
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05:32<jm_>jesperj: but if you had set this manually it would be in that file, so this is really one of those unusual problems
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05:35<jesperj>jm_: :/ well reinstalling gtk 1.2 and 2.0 didnt work
05:35<locklace>greatdebnoob: are you trying to install lenny?
05:35<jesperj>maybe it has something to do with nvidia xorg driver...
05:35<jesperj>but I doubt it
05:35<jm_>jesperj: that would be too easy -- I use nvidia and have never had such problems
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05:37<ml|>i installed a package from sid with aptitude -t unstable package , now that the package is in testing, i would like to upgrade from testing and not from unstable, how do i do this? by using apt-preference file or simply re-installing from testing
05:38<jm_>ml|: just put testing in sources.list and it'll get it from there
05:38<locklace>ml|: what does apt-cache policy show for the package
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05:42<jesperj>jm_: a guy had this problem with gtk and when he disabled minimaps (arent those the icons next to the text in the menus?) it worked. How can I disable icons in gtk menus?
05:42<jesperj>to see if it is the problem
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05:46<greatdebnoob>hmm.. I think I got it fixed now.. after removing some mount options from various partitions
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05:46<jm_>jesperj: doesn't seem to be related to icons from that description
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05:48<ml|>my sources.list ... and apt-cache policy...
05:48<jesperj>jm_: darn :/
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05:49<ml|>jm_: i'm on testing so you are saying nothing for me to do?
05:49<jm_>ml|: no, just wait and when new version will reach testing it will install it from there
05:49<locklace>ml|: you shouldn't have to do anything special then
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05:50<jm_>jesperj: the way he described it it seems to happen if you drag menu from its original position
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05:51<tecpatl>wireless working thanks XD
05:52<ml|>ok, so anything i might install from sid makes it's way to testing apt will know and upgrade from testing once it makes it to testing and for future upgrades to?
05:52<jesperj>jm_: ok. well I ruled out the mouse atleast. same thing with ps2 mouse (other was usb mouse)
05:53<jm_>jesperj: yeah if it was mouse it would happen in kde too
05:53<jm_>ml|: naah, it's because it doesn't know where it came from :)
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05:57<ml|>jm_: but wouldn't apt know since i installed from sid, or it forgets because testing is my default release
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05:57<jesperj>jm_: so what do you recommend? can you think of anything at all that can lead me forward the slightest bit?
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05:57<locklace>ml|: once a package is on your system it's in dpkg-land. no tool keeps track of or cares where it actually came from
05:58<locklace>ml|: so any later versions from repos in your sources.list that appear will be dealt with according to your pinning policy
05:58<jm_>jesperj: unfortunately not, but it definitely sounds like a GTK thing if all GTK apps are doing it (well you haven't tested all, but ...)
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06:00<ml|>locklace: ah, didn't know that, i don't use pinning just apt.conf with APT::Default-Release "testing";
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06:00<jm_>that one's a bitch to find if you use release name and then it changes and you want to dist-upgrade ;)
06:01<jesperj>jm_ oh well thanks. ill try some stuff and bbl
06:01<jesperj>thank you
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06:02<ml|>jm_: sry don't follow ;)
06:04<jm_>ml|: see what locklace told you
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06:11<jesperj>jm_: it WAS nvidia xorg module :D when I tried nv driver mouse works fine!
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06:11<jm_>jesperj: which version?
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06:13<jesperj>jm_: nvidia-glx Version: 173.14.09-5
06:13<jesperj>nvidia-glx package from lenny
06:13<jm_>jesperj: I was using that for a while, no such problems
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06:14<jesperj>jm_: well that package is installed so I guess it is what is providing the nvidia xorg module right? and the problem dissapears when I use nv instead of nvidia so it must be what is the problem
06:14<ml|>but i use tesing tho, i have done this with only one app rtorrent :) just making sure it won't upgrade from sid
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06:14<ml|>locklace: thanks
06:14<jm_>jesperj: yup
06:14<ml|>jm_: thanks
06:14<jesperj>jm_: guess I should file a bugreport.
06:14<jm_>ml|: otherwise do ssd
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06:18<jm_>I meant ssb
06:18<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
06:19<greatdebnoob>got Debian working now. thx everyone!
06:19<ml|>jm_: ok thanks
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06:20<jm_>there's usually no need for this with testing, but sometimes it'll be useful
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06:23<ml|>now that rtorrent can use settings in rc file, that earlier version could not handle things are great, btw reason why i installed sid version
06:24<jm_>what do you mean? it honours settings in rc file for ages
06:24<ml|>not new ones
06:24<ml|>atleast with previous version
06:25<ml|>with .8.4 things are great :)
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06:26<ml|>jm_: i meant specific settings
06:27<ml|>not rc file it self
06:27<jm_>ml|: no idea what you mean with that
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06:32<ml|>jm_: for example ... system.method.set_key =,move_complete,"execute=mv,-u,$d.get_base_path=,~/.torr/done/ ;d.set_directory=~/.torr/done/" would not work with previous version .7.9
06:33<ml|>new things where added to .8.4
06:33<jm_>ml|: ahh right, I never do that, I am too lazy to figure out this fucked up syntax so I do it manually ;)
06:33<ml|>lol ok
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06:34<ml|>yeah and it keeps changing ;)
06:34<themill>they should use xml with gconf for it instead! that'd be easier...
06:34<ml|>but i love rtorrent
06:35<jm_>yeah I am using it for years now
06:37<ml|>i find it's the best client, after you learn how it works :)
06:37<jm_>well it's trivial to use for basic stuff
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06:38<ml|>yes, but some people look at a screenshot and run away
06:38<jm_>yeah and then use something insane like azuerus/whatever it's called now
06:39<ml|>yeah cannot stand that client
06:39<petemc>i use transmission or btlaunchmanycurses, they do rightly
06:40<jm_>yeah I use bittornado before they wrote rtorrent, can't go back now
06:40<petemc>i prefer to steal my stuff from usenet anyway, isp has a news server so i get the full speed of my connection
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06:41<inglor>I got a problem with debian sid, is this the correct channel to ask ?
06:41<ml|>transmission here before rtorrent, tho i tried most of them before finding out about rtorrent :)
06:42<petemc>inglor: you could try
06:42<petemc>ml|: so whats so good about rtorrent?
06:43<petemc>its hardly the syntax..
06:43<inglor>I got latest updates and automatically uninstalled skype and wine I had. (amd64 system). When I try to install them ofc aptitude cannot resilve depentances
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06:43<themill>inglor: welcome to sid. /msg dpkg bat
06:43<ml|>is anyboby having problems with pastebinit not pasting to, i just get a return of
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06:45<jm_>petemc: I switched from bittornado because one can adjust settings in runtime
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06:47<ml|>petemc: yeah not the syntax for sure, but lighter than transmission, runs in screen, and can automate a few things
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06:49<mhymn>ml|: pastebinit works fine here
06:49<jm_>it has XML RPC if you care :)
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06:51<kashif>hey there any tool which can provide gui interface like phpmyadmin in oracle
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06:51<kashif>phpmyadmin is for mysql
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06:51<kashif>but i need for oracle
06:52<petemc>enterprise manager
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06:52<inglor>themill: dpkg is rude :(
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06:56<irocksu>how do i restart the odbc service?
06:56<irocksu>i changed my /etc/odbc.ini but somehow the old entries are still active.
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06:57<ml|> hmm yeah just noticed it works fine when using to paste any of my files, but just noticed pastebinit does not work with /etc/apt/sources.list for example, wonder if that is default behavior and never noticed
06:57<ml|>mhymn: thanks
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06:59<mhymn>ml|: it even works fine in sources.list case too :)
06:59<ml|>hmm i wonder why it does not here
07:00<mhymn>ml|: you might want to try this one:
07:00<mhymn>cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit -
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07:01<kashif>any thing like phpmyadmin in oracle for debian
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07:03<ml|>mhymn: does not work :( guess i'll have to resort to use xsel and pasting manually
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07:04<mhymn>kashif: google? -->
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07:06<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:06<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:16<LivingSouL>i'm wondering why lenny won't let me ping any outside site... i've put policy output accept on the rules
07:16<LivingSouL>but still
07:16<LivingSouL>mace:/home/marc# ping
07:16<LivingSouL>ping: unknown host
07:17<locklace>that's a dns problem. check your /etc/resolv.conf
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07:18<LivingSouL>is it okay if i put opendns IPs on it?
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07:19<locklace>sure, as long as you can reach their servers
07:20<LivingSouL>ok i'll try it.. thanks
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07:21<locklace>can you ping
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07:22<LivingSouL>do i need to restart something?
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07:23<LivingSouL>yes i can
07:23<LivingSouL>mace:/home/marc# ping
07:23<LivingSouL>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
07:23<LivingSouL>64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=1.79 ms
07:24<locklace>ok. no, you don't need to restart anything.
07:24<locklace>everything should work. verify with "dig"
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07:25<LivingSouL>command not found dig
07:26<locklace>eh. try "host" then. but you should "aptitude install dnsutils"
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07:31<shamanix>anyone having problems upgrading app-install-data? also how safe is it to upgrade pciutils? I'm running squeeze btw
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07:31<jm_>it's safe for pciutils
07:34<shamanix>i get the following error when upgrading app-install-data (what does it do btw? the package description isn't very useful):
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07:35<shamanix>trying to overwrite /usr/share/app-install/icons/shutter.svg which is also in package shutter
07:35<shamanix>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
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07:37<jm_>shamanix: check BTS for it
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07:39<locklace>!dbugs 532248
07:39<dpkg>DONE:#532248:S[shutter] app-install-data and shutter: error when trying to install together (confirmed); Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:48:07 UTC [532178]
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07:41*lupine_85 is upgrading a woody machine to lenny for a clieny
07:41<lupine_85>who'd like to rate my chances of success? :)
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07:41<locklace>good luck with that
07:42<lupine_85>I'm on my third dist-upgrade so far...
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07:56<maurizio>ciao a tutti
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08:19<b39inn3r>hay alguien aqui
08:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:22<lupine_85>It's up and running!
08:22<lupine_85>the websites work
08:22<lupine_85>amazing :)
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08:22<ml|>!win lupine_85
08:22<dpkg>Congratulations, lupine_85! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
08:22<stuckey>Is it okay to schrink a partition that has a logical volume on it?
08:22<lupine_85>one more reason to love debian
08:22<lupine_85>stuckey, as you mean physical volume?
08:23<stuckey>lupine_85: Yeah it's a physical volume with LVM
08:23<lupine_85>if a partition is being used as a PV, you'll need to shrink the PV before you shrink the partition
08:23<lupine_85>otherwise Bad Things happen
08:23<lupine_85>Bad Things also happen if you don't shrink the PV enough
08:23<stuckey>lupine_85: I'm not following...
08:24<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:27<stuckey>lupine_85: I thought the physical volume was the partition.
08:27<stuckey>lupine_85: What's the difference?
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08:27<lupine_85>it's all in the metadata
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08:27<lupine_85>partition information is kept in the MBR; PV information is kept in the partition
08:28<stuckey>lupine_85: Okay, so what do I do to find out what I should do?
08:28<lupine_85>if the partition becomes smaller, the PV doesn't find out about it automatically
08:28<lupine_85>first you need to pvresize
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08:28<jm_>isn't fs resize the first thing?
08:28<lupine_85>not for a physical volume
08:28<lupine_85>PVs don't have a filesystem, that's the whole point
08:29<stuckey>lupine_85: Yeah I shrunk my logical volume, but I don't guess that will matter since I can't make free-space out of it anywa.
08:29<jm_>yes, but other layers on top of them do ...
08:29<lupine_85>pvresize will move all your LEs out of the section of the partition that won't be there after you use them
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08:29<lupine_85>jm_, if there's not enough slush in the system, then resize2fs + lvresize is necessary, yes
08:29*lupine_85 tends to keep plenty of slush around
08:30<jm_>lupine_85: right, I just realize it depends on where you start from - all space used, or some space left
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08:31<stuckey>lupine_85: Yeah I did that. But the entire disk has been used by the LVM.
08:32<lupine_85> pvresize will refuse to shrink PhysicalVolume if it has allocated extents after where its new end would be.
08:32<lupine_85> In the future, it should relocate these elsewhere in the volume group if there is sufficient free space,
08:32<lupine_85> like pvmove does.
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08:32<lupine_85>whoops, spare \ns
08:32<hajoucha>hmm, when trying to compile 3ware driver (controller 9650SE) I get this on lenny: /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/source: No such file or directory
08:33<hajoucha>so what package need to be installed?
08:33<stuckey>That's not even close to being clearly written. Can you translate this please?
08:33<hajoucha>are there any "module sources" ?
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08:33<lupine_85>hajoucha, install linux-headers for your kernel
08:33<lupine_85>stuckey, it can't do it
08:33<stuckey>lupine_85: So what are my options, should I want to instal another OS but my disk is full? Just use a live cd to shrink the partition in question?
08:33<petemc>stuckey: which part is unclear, out of interest?
08:34<lupine_85>if you shrink the partition without shrinking the PV, you'll lose data
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08:34<lupine_85>possibly everything on every LV with an extent on the PV
08:34<stuckey>petemc: Try this sentence: pvresize will refuse to shrink PhysicalVolume if it has allocated extents after where its new end would be
08:34<petemc>yeah, looks fine
08:34<stuckey>Now tell me what "it" references.
08:35<lupine_85>you can use pvmove if you've got somewhere big enough for the current size of the PV to go
08:35<lupine_85>that's the best you can do
08:35<stuckey>It's just not good English
08:35<hajoucha>lupine_85: no, I still get the same error.
08:35<stuckey>lupine_85: but I can't resize with a live-cd?
08:35<hajoucha>lupine_85: I guess linux-headers only install under /usr/src.... no?
08:35<lupine_85>stuckey, depends on how attached to your data you are
08:36<petemc>stuckey: the english seems fine, perhaps you might be better using documentatin in your native language as you seem to repeatedly complain that things arent worded correctly
08:36<lupine_85>hajoucha, it should create that symlink automatically - but maybe not (it gets removed automatically by various things)
08:36<lupine_85>feel free to recreate it manualyl
08:37<lupine_85>stuckey, ah, you only need a spare PV with enough space to hold all your currently-allocated PEs
08:37<stuckey>petemc: I am using documentation written in my native language.
08:37<lupine_85>then you can do pvmove onto that PV, and completely destroy/recreate the current PV and partition
08:37<stuckey>lupine_85: yeah but the disk is full
08:37<stuckey>with the current lv
08:37<lupine_85>PVs can be on different discs
08:37<lupine_85>that's the whole point of them
08:37<hajoucha>lupine_85: hm, the link does not end "source" but "build"
08:38<lupine_85>hajoucha, mm, maybe you need linux-source as well
08:38<lupine_85>'though that seems like a bad idea
08:38<stuckey>lupine_85: I only have one hard disk.
08:38<lupine_85>stuckey, then you can't do it
08:38<lupine_85>unless you want to add the functionality to LVM yourself
08:38<stuckey>lupine_85: haha, I wouldn't be able to.
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08:38<jm_>hajoucha: but kernel does have 3ware driver
08:39<lupine_85>the code for moving PEs around is already present in pvmove, so it's not too bad ;)
08:39<lupine_85>stuckey, then you're stuck, ironically enough
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08:39<hajoucha>lupine_85: that is what I did.. but that package only downloads a file linux--version-.bz2 and does not unpack it. Am I supposed to unpack it myself?
08:39<lupine_85>it's rather big
08:40<hajoucha>jm_: yes, I know. But we have some issues here (controller resets randomly) so the 3ware support recomended to use theirs driver (even though I suspect it is the same code as in the kernel)
08:40<stuckey>lupine_85: So if I resize with live cd the risk of losing data would be higher by virtue of an LV being present on the physical volume?
08:40<lupine_85>stuckey, no risk. You *would* lose data
08:40<stuckey>lupine_85: Why
08:40<lupine_85>chances are the entire PV would be lost
08:40<lupine_85>because you're going to overwrite a chunk of it with something else, that's why
08:41<stuckey>lupine_85: but resize with normal PVs works
08:41<lupine_85>let's say your PV is currently sat inside a 100GB partition, using all of it, with extents (bits of LVs) all over. If you chop 10GB off the end, what do you think is going to happen?
08:41<lupine_85>define 'normal PV'
08:41<stuckey>lupine_85: The LV isn't full, only half full
08:41<lupine_85>but the extents aren't placed sequentially
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08:42<lupine_85>(at least, not by default)
08:42<stuckey>So therein lies the problem.
08:42<lupine_85>pvresize should be able to move them, but can't yet
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08:42<lupine_85>pvmove can shift them to a different PV, but you don't have one handy
08:42<lupine_85>how big is this PV, out of interest?
08:43<stuckey>About 550GB
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08:43<jm_>hajoucha: right, so you need kernel headers
08:43<lupine_85>1TB hard drives are < £80 nowadays
08:43<lupine_85>that's cheaper than writing the code
08:44<lupine_85>and once you're done, you can set yourself up with RAID1 :)
08:44<stuckey>lupine_85: Software raid? What's the program called that does this?
08:44<stuckey>Is software raid fast?
08:45<lupine_85>raid1 gives you a write penalty and a read boost
08:45<lupine_85>the software layer doesn't slow you down any more than, say, lvm does
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08:45*lupine_85 uses LVM on RAID1
08:45<lupine_85>safe *and* fast *and* flexible :)
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08:48<stuckey>lupine_85: Does software raid get faster like hardware raid does when multiple disks are added?
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08:48<stuckey>I'd have to find some raid compatible disks...
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08:48<lupine_85>stuckey, depends on the raid scheme used (like hardware raid) and mdadm is compatible with all kinds of discs
08:49<hajoucha>jm_: strange, the driver still does not compile. Now it complains ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.
08:49<stuckey>lupine_85: I suppose I'd need to look into which disks it is compatible with; do you know where I can find a list?
08:49<lupine_85>stuckey, *all* discs
08:49<hajoucha>jm_: I guess one needs to compile kernel from sources and only after that will the driver take that sources as correct... right?
08:50<hajoucha>jm_: that is.. I have to compile custom kernel.
08:50<lupine_85>it takes partitions and turns them into a single RAID array of whichever level you like
08:50<lupine_85>you can then create PVs on top of those RAID arrays (which show up as /dev/mdX)
08:50<jm_>hajoucha: no, if that is so the driver is crap
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08:52<dpkg>tony: VATTENE VIA
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08:53<hajoucha>jm_: :) well.. in a way I agree. I mean - it is not probably crap because 3ware guys are surely smart enough, but yes in a way that the makefile is quite simplistic and could be done in a better way.
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08:53<hajoucha>jm_: much better way.
08:54<jm_>hajoucha: it doesn't use kernel build system properly or you have done something wrong
08:55<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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09:00<stuckey>lupine_85: So again, why exactly couldn't I just install an OS onto a logical Volume on the physical volume?
09:00<stuckey>lupine_85: Since, there's space avaiable there.
09:01<lupine_85>stuckey, if your OS supports booting off the LV, you can do that
09:01<lupine_85>(OS and bootloader, rather)
09:01<stuckey>lupine_85: oh! so, I could shrink the LV I have now, create another LV, and then use that LV to install the system onto, and still have my other LV intact?
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09:02<stuckey>How do I check to see if I've made a perfect .iso from a CD? Is there a way to use md5 sum or something like that?
09:03<lupine_85>stuckey, absolutely
09:03<lupine_85>assuming your OS will boot (which one is it?)
09:03<lupine_85>and you can just run md5sum on the device file
09:03<stuckey>lupine_85: but when I booted ubuntu, it only showed up the physical volume, not the logical volume
09:04<lupine_85>stuckey, you'll need to use the alternate installer
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09:04<stuckey>lupine_85: okay, so "md5sum isofile.iso"
09:04<lupine_85>and bootstrap the lvm as well
09:04<lupine_85>(vgchange -ay in the shell)
09:04<stuckey>lupine_85: This sounds complicated...
09:04<lupine_85>oh, it is
09:04<stuckey>I've never used bootstrap
09:04<lupine_85>but linux really is
09:04<patrikf>no, you can't just md5sum the device file.
09:04<lupine_85>stuckey, bootstrap is a term, not a program
09:05<patrikf>well, you can, but if the md5sums don't match, it doesn't mean that it's a faulty cd.
09:05<stuckey>patrikf: What do I do?
09:05<lupine_85>patrikf, but if they do match, it guarantees that the burned image matches the .iso, right?
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09:06<lupine_85>(excluding the various edge cases that don't actually matter)
09:06<patrikf>lupine_85: I think they aren't edge cases at all.
09:06<lupine_85>k3b will automatically md5sum burned CDs for you
09:06<lupine_85>patrikf, which ones are you worried about, specifically?
09:06<patrikf>there was some article on planet debian, but I can't find it just now.
09:07<patrikf>lupine_85: iirc, the ISO doesn't have to start at offset 0, and it might include random junk after it.
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09:07<patrikf>it = the cd
09:07<jm_>right, it's better to md5sum individual files
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09:08<stuckey>So how do I check this?
09:08<lupine_85>jm_,md5summing the image is faster. so you're best doing it first, IMO
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09:08<lupine_85>if it doesn't match, you can investigate further or chuck it away and burn another
09:09*lupine_85 actually never bothers with verifying CDs
09:09<lupine_85>I just burn and use
09:09<lupine_85>if they don't work, *then* I might run the md5sum
09:09<jm_>lupine_85: absolutely, if you have many small files it would be much faster
09:10<stuckey>OKay so I'm doing "md5sum *.iso" and then "md5sum /dev/cdrom"
09:10<stuckey>lupine_85: What sort of hard drives are you using?
09:10<jm_>stuckey: the trick is in having md5sum verify only the length of iso
09:10<jm_>(when verifying the disc via device file)
09:11<stuckey>jm_: how does one do this trick?
09:12<stuckey>Is there a program that can tell me if the md5sum numbers are different? Just if I didn't want to take the time to look at both of them...
09:12<themill>!check iso image
09:12<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum
09:13<jm_>stuckey: there's a shell script to test debian iso-s somewhere
09:13<jm_>yeah that one
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09:13<stuckey>jm_: I ran it on the .iso and on /dev/cdrom and it matched.
09:13<stuckey>so now I'm going to burn it with wodim
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09:16<stuckey>Is there any special options I should give to wodim, or just do "wodim iso.iso"?
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09:18<matholio>hey all
09:19<matholio>I'm trying to compile nagios ndo on Lenny, and I need socket.h, anyone know which package that would be in?
09:19<petemc>lenny has nagios3 packaged
09:19<dr|z3d>!dependency nagios
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09:20<jm_>I always used cdrecord -data file.img
09:21<matholio>far out, I'm so use to buiilding nagios, I didn;t check. thanks
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09:27<stuckey>How does this md5sum thing supposed to work?
09:28<stuckey>!check iso image
09:28<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum
09:28<stuckey>I did that, but I get an md5sum, but it's not the same as the one I got when I just do "md5sum iso.iso"
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09:32<themill>that's not a good sign
09:33<themill>stuckey: did you replace both instances of "filename.iso" in the command?
09:35<stuckey>themill: I run this all as one big command? md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum ?
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09:38<stuckey>Those should be two different commands; I'm running "dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s petra.iso` | md5sum" but it doesn't reply with anything...
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09:39<stuckey>the name of the .iso file I used is "petra.iso" and I get something when I do "md5sum petra.iso"
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09:43<stuckey>Anyone here know how I can check to see if I made a perfect copy of a cd? I used wodim to burn an .iso...
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09:46<stew>stuckey: "md5sum /dev/cdrom /path/to/iso"
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09:49<mhymn>not sure, perhaps he needs to change /dev/cdrom to the exact device name?
09:49<stuckey>Should this take a long time?
09:50<stuckey>okay, it finnished
09:50<stuckey>Is there a program or something that can compare the output for me, and tell me if it's the same?
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09:51<lupine_85>diff ;)
09:52<llutz>stuckey: you should get 2 lines, just compare those 2 md5sums
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09:56<stuckey>okay, they're the same. Thanks!
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10:02<ert34_>sudo on debian isn't like on ubuntu, how do I make sudo works with my normal user?
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10:07<ert34_>I tried the command, but result in command not found. I tried apt-get install visudo and nothing tooo
10:08<ghantoos>ert34_: "apt-get install sudo" first
10:08<llutz>ert34_: use as root
10:08<ert34_>I have it already
10:08<llutz>it's not in users path
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10:09<ert34_>llutz, you mean to use apt-get? I tried it.
10:09<ert34_>to install vidsudo
10:09<llutz>visudo is not in users path, use it as root
10:09<ghantoos>ert34_: if /usr/sbin/visudo isn't working, you can vi /etc/sudoers
10:10<ghantoos>ert34_: as llutz says, you have to "su" first
10:10<ert34_>works with root visudo
10:10<ert34_>well what I do in this file?
10:10<llutz>man sudoers
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10:12<ghantoos>ert34_: if you just want to add a user with all sudo rights, add "yourusername ALL=(ALL) ALL"
10:12<ert34_>bash completion doesn't works with root
10:12<ert34_>ghantoos, let me try
10:13<llutz>enable it (bashrc)
10:13<pawel>How to send an e-mail from command line using SMTP?
10:13<petemc>mutt can do that
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10:13<ghantoos>ert34_: for completion, add this in /root/.bashrc:
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10:16<ert34_>ghantoos, I added it on the botton of that file
10:16<ert34_>appears do doesn t work
10:16<llutz>ert34_: ". .bashrc"
10:17<ghantoos>ert34_: exit, and su again so that it loads .bashrc again, or what llutz suggested
10:17<ert34_>llutz, thx works
10:17<ert34_>worked now, ghantoos
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10:18<ert34_>I can't save the /etc/sudoers
10:19<ert34_>when I edit it
10:19<ert34_>as root
10:19<ghantoos>ert34_: using vi?
10:19<jurg>ert34_: You're using visudo?
10:19<jurg>You have to use visudo
10:19<petemc>you do?
10:20<jurg>DOn't you?
10:20<ghantoos>/etc/sudoers is in readonly, you have to force to over-write
10:20<petemc>i wasnt aware that it was enforced
10:20<jurg>Huh, was when i had to edit it last, but that might've been ubuntu a long time ago.
10:21<petemc>it is indeed readonly
10:21<petemc>you could force save, presumably
10:21<ml|>you can edit with your fav editor but visudo checks for errors i believe
10:21<ghantoos>if you vi it, just :w!
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10:22<themill>visudo (or sudoedit) are highly recommended over such hacks
10:22<ml|>visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion man visudo
10:22<stew>sudoedit is something completely different from visudo
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10:23<petemc>sudoedit seems badly named, from a brief reading of its manpage
10:23<themill>err duh. /me needs coffee
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10:24<ert34_>visudo: /etc/sudoers busy, try again later
10:24<ert34_>not open in any editor
10:24<ml|>!coffee themill
10:24<themill>petemc: so is visudo, it has to be said
10:24*dpkg decants a fine mug of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for themill, courtesy of ml|
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10:24<themill>thanks, I think
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10:25<ert34_>I am stuck trying to save the file in visudo right now
10:25<stew>ert34_: see what "fuser /etc/sudoers" returns
10:25<stew>ert34_: which editor are you using?
10:25<ert34_>I just closed and opened again with visudo
10:26<ert34_>esc + ^O ?
10:26<ert34_>I miss something?
10:27<ml|>to save and close :wq
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10:27<mhymn>he's probably using nano as default
10:27<Dekko>Hello everyone!
10:27<stew>ert34_: we need to know which editor you are actually using
10:27<stuckey>lupine_85: If I wanted to buy a small hard drive to put my OS on, could I then make the logical volume extend to take up the entire hard drive on the hard drive I have now?
10:27<ml|>use visudo
10:28<ert34_>visudo runs nano
10:28<stew>ert34_: then ctrl+x to exit, it will prompt you to save while exiting
10:28<ml|>ah change it
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10:28<ml|>well don't have too :P
10:28<Dekko>Could someone here please tell me why I no longer get the bootsplash to stay on during the boot process? It drops to Text mode "Loading files needed for booting" or something like that then it goes through the motions of starting the system (seemingly verbose) - everything loads perfectly but.... I would like it to stay at the bootsplash :)
10:28<ert34_>Don e
10:28<Dekko>I did check UUID for the swap file etc.
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10:29<kapil>Dekko: kernel command line option "quiet" enabled?
10:30<ml|>wonder why i get Input/output error from internal dvd drive and not external
10:30<ert34_>sudo as my normal user works now, thanks ppl
10:30<Dekko>kapil: I am quite the newbie to Linux yet so how would I check this (I have experience with Mac OS X so know my way around somewhat)
10:30<ml|>!congratulate ert34_
10:30<dpkg>Yay ert34_, you did it!
10:31<kapil>look at /boot/grub/menu.lst with less and look at the stanza corresponding to the system you are booting.
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10:31<Dekko>kapil: got the first part, but what do you mean by 'stanza'?
10:32<Dekko>okay I'm on jaunty jackalope
10:33<tp43>I have a problem with over heating. I am running debian lenny (linux 2.6.26-2-686) on a thinkpad t43. And the bottom front of it really heats up. Also, I am getting this error: Not starting hdapsd: /sys/block/hda/queue/protect does not exist, please read /usr/share/doc/hdapsd/README.Debian
10:33<kapil>then quiet should have been enabled by default and you should really have joined "#ubuntu" on freenode to ask your question! :-)
10:33<dpkg>module-assistant is, like, a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare". See usage examples at
10:33<dpkg>methinks gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, see . In order to change which version it should use "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. Ask me about <gcc-doc>.
10:34<Dekko>Kapil: Oh man sorry wrong channel....
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10:34<tp43>I'm thinking of trying etch as a fix
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10:34<tp43>I need you guys really bad right now
10:34<kapil>tp43: you should probably "/msg" dpkg to get this info rather than flood the channel with your queries.
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10:34<tp43>kapil, hmmm, I'm not sure what to /msg dpkg with though
10:35<kapil>something like "/msg dpkg gcc"?
10:35<tp43>kapil, oh, no I have an overheating problem
10:36<tp43>kapil, actually there was something I used to /msg dpkg last year and it will give me a list of things I needed to install for development, I wanted to remember, it included gcc and module-assistant and there was some other, you wouldn't remember by any chance?
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10:36<kapil>i note that you quoted the hdapsd message.
10:36<kapil>do you want to load that module?
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10:37<tp43>kapil, oh, cool I can try the message with /msg
10:37<kapil>there is an hdaps module
10:37<mhymn>tp43: <-- might be helpful too
10:37<llutz>tp43: you're looking for "build-essential"?
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10:38<tp43>kapil, I have it installed, but there is no protect file. And also, my laptop uses sda and so I went into the script in /etc and changed hda to sda, but still, there is no protect in the /sda directory either
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10:38<tp43>llutz, yeah that was it
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10:39<tp43>dpkg just told me I am moron #1
10:39<dpkg>i don't know, tp43
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10:40<tp43>c'mon guys my laptop gonna bust
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10:41<sp>tp43: as llutz already told you: build-essential is likely the package you are looking for
10:41<gsimmons>tp43: WRT hdapsd, have you read the README.Debian file which was mentioned?
10:41<tp43>sp, yeah, true, but I had a more important question, that was just a side note
10:42<tp43>gsimmons, yeah
10:42<tp43>gsimmons, it says to go to a link and I read the link, but it was no use
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10:42<sp>tp43: about the hdaspd error: does /dev/hda actually exist? or is it /dev/sda? in that case you will probably need to fix hdaspd's configuration
10:43<tp43>sp, I have sda, but there is no protect file in that directory either
10:43<gsimmons>tp43: It's plenty useful. You'll need to patch the kernel to provide the file it wants.
10:44<tp43>sp, And I went into the /etc directory and changed the script for hdapsd from hda to sda but it still looks in hda
10:44<tp43>ok guys I will try again
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10:45<tp43>I have to go outdoor to another side of the building to get into irc, cause it is blocked in building, so its hard for me to see the screen
10:45<bja>tp43: tunnel it through a transport relay
10:46<tp43>bja really, how do I do that?
10:46<bja>try tor on a first instance
10:46<tp43>bja ok
10:46<bja>tp43: and do a little research you'll find very interesting things
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10:47<tp43>Hey, so you guys saying that if I get my kernel patched for hdapsd then my laptop won't burn, ie. is that error whats causing my laptop to heat up?
10:47<tp43>bja, I don't want to get into trouble though
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10:47<locklace>be a man
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10:48<tp43>locklace, ha, I will go for it then
10:48<tp43>locklace, if my manhood is a stake haha
10:48<locklace>!beer tp43
10:48*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Pils for tp43
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10:48<gsimmons>tp43: I doubt it. hdapsd only provides a disk protection function and it isn't even running right now.
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10:48<tp43>Hey guys, I read that link, and well, I have it installed, I just need help to configure it
10:49<bja>tp43: if your lap is overheating a can of compressed air does magic
10:49<tp43>gsimmons, thats what I mean, if its running, then maybe it won't heat up. I mean, maybe its my harddrive heating up?
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10:49<locklace>check the output of smartctl -a
10:49<tp43>bja, but it doesn't heat up for Windows I don't think. Even the recharger get really hot. You think its just a hardware issue?
10:50<tp43>cause, otherwise, I don't care about the error or harddrive protection, right now I only care about over heating
10:50<tp43>Maybe Lenova just sucks the bag and I should buy HP from now on
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10:52<bja>tp43: cleaning heatsinks have never hurt any laptop, or at least no mine :)
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10:53<tp43>bja, I have to open it up?
10:53<bja>tp43: There is a way of setting the temps that turn on the fans, but I haven't researched it yet. A friend of mine did that on another distro.
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10:53<bja>tp43: use your imagination
10:53<tp43>bja, well, there is an app it will show all the temps, like cpu, and fans and others
10:54<llutz>tp43: sensors
10:54<tp43>llutz, yep, thats it
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10:54<jeian>Is there a way to install a kernel other than 2.6.26 on a lenny ? I can't find anything else that 2.6.26* in the repositories.
10:54<bja>tp43: take a look at how it works i'm sure you'll figure it out
10:54<bja>llutz: thx i'll try it
10:54<tp43>so whats the question you ask dpkg and he tells you gcc module-assistant and build-essentials?
10:54<jeian>I need to test another kernel, cause we may experience a bug between our hardware and this specific kernel.
10:55<bja>sound like nvidia
10:55<mhymn>jeian: /msg dpkg bpo
10:55<tp43>jeian, I was thinking of changing /etc/apt/sources.list from stable to old stable, and then installing an older kernel
10:55<bja>jeian: download it and then install it with dpkg -i
10:56<jeian>Thank you all. I'm studying all these answers.
10:57<ml|>wonder why i get Input/output error from internal dvd drive and not external
10:58<petemc>loose/bad cable?
10:59<ml|>it's a laptop
10:59<ml|>let me re-seat it but i never touch it
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11:01<tp43>c ya guys, gotta go, battery dying
11:01<bja>tp43: gl
11:01<bja>ml|: did you drop your lap?
11:02<ml|>bja: hello, nope
11:02<bja>ml|: hello, a 1 inch drop can make bays come loose :(
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11:03<ml|>dvd drive works fine, first time i have seen this error
11:03<ml|>bja: just re-seated it lets see
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11:11<lantizia>You'll probably think this is a bad idea... but now I've added backports to my sources.list... can I run a command that'll update everything that is update-able from backports?
11:13<themill>lantizia: that's not usually a recommended way to go. That's a combination of software that has never been tested together.
11:13<lantizia>so theres no command to do that?
11:14<rudi_s>lantizia: Use aptitude to update the packages you need .. why would you want to update the rest?
11:14<themill>lantizia: you can get a list of what is available on with "aptitude search ~Vbpo". Install the ones you know you want with "aptitude -t lenny-backports packagename"
11:15<lantizia>see I've just ran the normal backports install command to get OOo3... and it removed "aspell dictionaries-common gnome-spell iamerican ibritish ispell myspell-en-gb myspell-en-us wbritish"
11:15<lantizia>which I kinda like since I'm British
11:15<lantizia>I just feel a general - go update to "backports" would catch these too
11:16<arw>hello people
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11:16<themill>lantizia: the thesaurus is lost -- the package isn't available from
11:17<lantizia>I'm more worried about the spelling and british specific packages
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11:20<themill>lantizia: none of those packages have versions on -- they were probably just "automatically removed" because it seemed like you didn't need them any more. Try installing them one by one with aptitude.
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11:21<lantizia>dictionaries-common goes and forces you down to OOo2 again
11:22<themill>lantizia: sorry... there *is* a version on bpo for that one
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11:25<lantizia>themill, a version of what?
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11:25<bombaclat>hello, I am having a problem with sound on Lenny. Every time a sound starts/stops, I hear a crack/pop. I tried different soundcards (azalia onboard, ESI Juli@, SB Audigy). increasing PCI latency from 64 to 128, and even installing alsa from sid (1.0.20). Same result every time. Any ideas?
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11:27<themill>lantizia: dictionaries-common
11:27<lantizia>yeah got them all now
11:28<lantizia>only the thesaurus directs from en-us to en-gb
11:28<lantizia>bloody americans :P
11:28<themill>lantizia: yeah... that happens :(
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11:36<darkastarok>hi somebody can help me? i have a HP Proliant DL380 G5, i installed Debian 5 whitout any problem but when i restart the server after the grub no happend nothing and the monitor no lights (note: my english is wrong)
11:37<darkastarok>in mode console work fine but don't work in mode graphical
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11:42<adb>used to be a server ?
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11:45<NASCAR>adb i'm darkastarok... yes is used to be a server but my boss want this in mode graphical
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11:46<adb>tell boss to come here
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11:51<NASCAR>here is he
11:53<dpkg>from memory, server is the main-computer in a network of computers. It sends out data to the other computers and it also has data on it. the person who brings you food at cheap restaurants.
11:53<ml|>lol ... the person who brings you food at cheap restaurants
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11:55<deniz>NASCAR, you're asking how to add a GUI?
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12:05<pawel>how to do something if variable is not zero?
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12:06<locklace>pawel: the suck index of that question is impressive
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12:07<astronut>what language?
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12:07<pawel>or console
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12:07<astronut>nonzero is false
12:07<astronut>man [
12:08<panagos_>i noticed that mktemp has been removed from the archive, which package includes its functionality now?
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12:12<pawel>what's wrong in this: 'if [ $var != 0 ]; echo nonzero; fi' ?
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12:17<Gathond>pawel: first off it is missing a then after the if clause seconfly != is for pattern matchin, so you should use -ne
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12:17<lantizia>wow ie7 works quite nicely these days on linux
12:18<pawel>lantizia: There is native FireFox for linux, and you are using byggy ie7?
12:18<bike>i there a virus guard to scan the LAN
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12:19<lantizia>pawel, I already use iceweasel but use ie7 as well - gotta know your web efforts look OK on the two
12:19<lantizia>crossover 8 (released yesterday) has an auto installer for ie7 - works great
12:20<bike>is there a virus guard to scan LAN
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12:21<klh_>oops grr
12:21<bike>ia had a virus problem in my office when i remove it one computer it cames back another one pls help
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12:21<bike>need advice
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12:24<blast_hardcheese>bike: If you're running debian just laugh at the pathetic windows users.
12:24<simonrvn>wrong channel...
12:24<blast_hardcheese>If you're using Windows, hahahahahha!
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12:25<blast_hardcheese>Question: How does one force an LCD monitor to go into powersave? It's old enough that there are few (if any) options,
12:25<bike>im not using but our clients
12:26<llutz>blast_hardcheese: man xset
12:26<blast_hardcheese>llutz: Thanks
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12:27<blast_hardcheese>llutz: Ah, I'm not using x
12:27<llutz>blast_hardcheese: setterm?
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12:28<blast_hardcheese>Tried setterm -powersave, that didn't do anything
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12:28<blast_hardcheese>The best I could do was -blank 1
12:28<ml|>in /etc/console-tools/config
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12:36<rrr69>hi sorry for my bad english i'm frensh and i don't find help on frensh channel. I would like to now how to initialize libnids ??
12:37<rrr69>would like to know
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12:42<mhymn>rrr69: what do you mean by initialize? to install just run: aptitude install libnids1.21
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12:43<rrr69>not install !! i 'have this massage : libnids_init not initialized or somthink like that
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12:46<bighornram>I have a full /var partition. apt cache files are cleaned. How can I clean my system of lost or orphaned temp files?
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12:47<blast_hardcheese>rrr69: Are you a developer using that library?
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12:47<blast_hardcheese>if so, google recommended nids_init()
12:47<mhymn>bighornram: /msg dpkg deborphan
12:48<rrr69>no blast_hardcheese i just search to use dsniff
12:48<rrr69>yes i have see this but it's no work blast_hardcheese
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12:49<rrr69>no they work but i have other message in e few seconde i whrite it to you
12:50<blast_hardcheese>ah, I see. Can you paste the exact error? (If it's in french, I think you can set your language to english by using export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 before running dsniff)
12:51<rrr69>it's work but i have this now : >
12:52<rrr69>sorry i'm a big noob !! :)
12:52<rrr69>now how i can do to work dsniff
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12:53<blast_hardcheese>man dsniff :\
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12:54<rrr69>thank's for all you have so yet many halp me !!
12:55<blast_hardcheese>Good luck :)
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12:56<bighornram>mhymn: thanks! I have a lot of them showing.
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13:05<dazjorz>blast_hardcheese: tip: I think you can say LANG=C instead of LANG=en_US.UTF-8
13:05<dazjorz>unless the app was written in french, that is
13:05<blast_hardcheese>Ah yeah, forgot about C.
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13:06<blast_hardcheese>I think this monitor will never powersave correctly, :(
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13:09<ml|>blast_hardcheese: /etc/console-tools/config changing settings there did not work?
13:09<blast_hardcheese>ml|: They were already on,
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13:10<ml|>on you mean BLANK_TIME=0
13:11<blast_hardcheese>No, I mean there were already values (30, in all cases)
13:12<ml|>oh you want blank, thought it was other way around
13:12<blast_hardcheese>What's strange is the config file says that all the values are commented out to avoid damaging old monitors that don't support DPMS, but under Debian everything was not commented and default values were set
13:14<ml|>default is 60 minutes to blank
13:14<ml|>(POWERDOWN_TIME + BLANK_TIME after the last input)
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13:17<ml|>so nothing happens after 60 minutes
13:17<blast_hardcheese>Just changed both values to 1 and rebooted just to make sure
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13:18<ml|>it works here on old laptop and desktop
13:18<blast_hardcheese>I just started X, said "xset dpms force suspend" and my screen went white
13:19<blast_hardcheese>which is the same behavior as in the original OS, Windows 98
13:19<blast_hardcheese>if you let it sit for a while it would just go white
13:19<blast_hardcheese>seems suboptimal
13:20<blast_hardcheese>I think I might just add a switch on the side that turns off the backlight.
13:20<ml|>i just use xset dpms force off
13:20<blast_hardcheese>oh, I'll try that
13:21<blast_hardcheese>(as soon as it stats again)
13:21<llutz>blast_hardcheese: construct a small robot to pull the plug after xx minutes :)
13:22<blast_hardcheese>very small robot, considering it's inside a tablet PC
13:22<llutz>that's a challenge
13:22<ml|>xset dpms force off did not work either?
13:22<blast_hardcheese>trying now
13:23<blast_hardcheese>it just blanked the screen
13:23<blast_hardcheese>backlight is still on at full power
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13:24<sam_>yo, what do I do when I get broken packages error
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13:24<ml|>dunno that should work, but i do have some things in xorg.conf
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13:25<sam_>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:25<sam_> compiz-gnome: Depends: libwnck18 (>= 2.15.90) but it is not installable
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13:25<ml|>and have keybind for that and works fine
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13:33<sam_>help me guys D=
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13:34<Gathond>sam_: find some source supplying libwnck18 in a version of 2.15.90 or newer
13:34<sam_>how can I?
13:34<Gathond>sam_: or if it is something in debian stable file a bugreport may be a good idea
13:35<sam_>I tried that tutorial:
13:35<sam_>it is for ubuntu but.. made it on debian
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13:36<ml|>sam_: that looks very old
13:37<sam_>so, what am I supposed to do now =/
13:38<ml|>dpkg: tell sam_ about compiz
13:38<ml|>undo what you did from that tutorial
13:39<sam_>it would be great to know how to undo
13:39<ml|>dpkg: tell sam_ about ubuntu
13:39<sam_>well I can.....
13:39<sam_>delete lines from sources.list
13:39<sam_>the lines I added
13:39<ml|>retrace what you did and undo them
13:39<ml|>read msg's from dpkg
13:40<sam_>how can I undo apt-key add?
13:40<llutz>apt-key del
13:40<sam_>gpg: key "DD800CD9.gpg" not found: eof
13:40<sam_>gpg: DD800CD9.gpg: delete key failed: eof
13:41<sam_>end of file
13:41<ert34>I am trying to install a .deb package but it fails telling that needs dependencies
13:41<ml|>ert34: why not install using aptitude?
13:42<ert34>because I don't know
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13:43<ml|>dpkg: tell ert34 about aptitude
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13:47<ml|>sam_: next time look thru debian wiki, after that if not sure try asking here to avoid potential issues
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13:48<sam_>can I copy-paste something long
13:48<lupine_85>nope :p
13:48<lupine_85>use a pastebin
13:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
13:51<ml|>sam_: did you undo all that stuff from that tutorial?
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13:51<sam_>I think yes
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13:51<ert34>I want install a package pakagename.deb that is on my /home/user/Desktop/packages/packagename.deb
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13:51<ml|>ert34: use aptitude
13:51<ert34>sudo aptitude install packagename.deb doesn't works
13:52<lupine_85>ert34, dpkg -i to install a .deb, but only if you know what you're doing
13:52<ml|>ert34: learn to use aptitude
13:52<ml|>no to install from deb file unless necessary
13:52<ert34>lupine_85, doesn't works too, needs dependencies
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13:52<lupine_85>ert34, so you don't know what you're doing - ergo, you shouldn't be doing it
13:53<lupine_85>but the short answer is to install the dependencies
13:53<ml|>ert34: read what dpkg told you here
13:53<ml|>read wiki
13:53<lupine_85>(using aptitude, apt-get or dpkg)
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13:53<ml|>ert34: whatever you are trying to install is in debian
13:54<ml|>sam_: so you undo all that stuff and installed from debian repos?
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13:55<ert34>On ubuntu I had used just an utility, a graphical one, two clicks over the packet... Should I try it? What is this utility name?
13:55<ml|>ert34: no
13:55<ml|>learn what you are doing first
13:56<ert34>ml|, I tried to build the dependecies
13:56<ert34>aptitude ~D packege.deb
13:56<ml|>sam_: then wait for someone to help you with that
13:56<ert34>doesn't qorks
13:56<ml|>ert34: read man read
13:56<craigevil>ert34: install gdebi and use it
13:57<ml|>!lart craigevil
13:57<ml|>aww :(
13:57<lupine_85>lartfail :p
13:57<ml|>haha yes
13:57*dpkg duct-tapes craigevil to the floor and drools on him
13:57<ml|>:) haha
13:57<lupine_85>ert34, building the dependencies from source won't help - they won't be in dpkg's database
13:57<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gdebi is a tool to install manually downloaded .deb packages. It is useful as it automatically resolves dependencies for you. aptitude install gdebi
13:58<enouf>judd: info gdebi
13:58<judd>enouf: gdebi (admin): is optional; Version: 0.3.11debian1+nmu1; Size: 32.4k; Installed: 228k -- Simple tool to install deb files
13:58<ml|>but why show him that when he has no idea what he is doing
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13:59<enouf> This package contains the graphical user interface.
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13:59<lupine_85>ml|, it can't break the system unless the .deb in question is malicious/really poorly packaged, so it's no big deal
13:59<ml|>lupine_85: true but he'll never learn that way
14:00<lupine_85>that's ok, most people aren't interested in learning - and it shows
14:00<ert34>I am stuck
14:00<ml|>ok i guess i'll stop then
14:00<enouf>s/most/many that wander into #debian?
14:00<ml|>ert34: gl
14:00<Hideo>lo ml|
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14:00<lupine_85>the number of ignorant people I come across every day is astonishing
14:00<enouf>ml|: open?
14:01<ml|>Hideo: yo
14:01<ml|>enouf: ??
14:01<ml|>good luck
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14:02<adama>sam_: compiz needs to be run as user
14:02<ert34>I am really stuck
14:02<sam_>did the same
14:02<enouf>ignorance is just a lack of knowledge, not a lack of willingness to obtain said knowledge
14:03<ert34>How do I build the dependencies with aptiutude?
14:03<adama>sam_: try it at a lower resolution
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14:03<ml|>sam_: yes as user sry i didn't notice that
14:03<petemc>enouf: ignorance is a choice
14:03<sam_>yes but I have two monitors
14:03<enouf>petemc: no it isn't
14:04<petemc>may i direct you towards a dictionary
14:04<ml|>enouf: i have tried over and over to help him but ...
14:04<enouf>ml|: i don't dispute that at all
14:04<enouf>ml|: and .. i showed up later :-)
14:04<sam_>yo ert
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14:05<sam_>programs sometimes need other programs/packages to run
14:05<sam_>I think that if you proceed with apt-get install
14:05<sam_>you will get less dependencies problems
14:05<lupine_85>ignorance is curable, stupidity is not :)
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14:06<lupine_85>(that phrase got me refused for secondary school teaching... whoops)
14:06<fcs>thats right
14:06<ml|>lets try again
14:06<ml|>ert34: did you read wiki page on aptitude
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14:06<ml|>ok how do you install an app?
14:07<enouf>!info aptitude-doc-en
14:07<ert34>sam_, that is no packages on repositories for tihs package
14:07<sam_>what are you trying to install
14:07<dpkg>aptitude-doc-en: (English manual for aptitude, a terminal-based package manager), section doc, is optional. Version: (sid), Packaged size: 356 kB, Installed size: 1304 kB
14:07<sam_>you could add repo on sources.list and proceed with apt-get
14:08<sam_>it would probably be easier for you
14:08<adama>ert34: just use dpkg -i whatever.deb, then when it fails, do apt-get -f install
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14:08<enouf>that's "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install"
14:08<adama>I'm lazy
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14:09<enouf>so am i
14:09<enouf>i copied/pasted :-P
14:09<sam_>yo can compiz-fusion run with fglrx?
14:09<ml|>enouf: lol
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14:10<ert34>adama, what you told works.
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14:10<adama>of course
14:10<sam_>yo can compiz-fusion run with fglrx?
14:11<lupine_85>hee, icedove is a part of the japanese-gnome-desktop task but no others
14:11<lupine_85>sam_, probably
14:11<ert34>no mentions of it in the wiki
14:11<lupine_85>you might have to enable composite manually though
14:11<sam_>what xgl is?
14:11<ert34>how do people can know about that?
14:11<sam_>it is not present
14:11<lupine_85>Xgl is a very deprecated X server
14:12<lupine_85>don't use it
14:12<ert34>how do I learn using man aptitude if I need use apt-get together?
14:12<lupine_85>(I've not kept up with compiz, but presumably you can use the non-TFP rendering mode?)
14:12<ml|>ert34: you use one or the other
14:12<lupine_85> worst
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14:13<ml|>dpkg: tell ert34 about why aptitude
14:13<ert34>ml|, no just worked here using both together
14:13<enouf>ert34: see what i wrote and what dpkg said
14:13<enouf>you can use both/either
14:14<ert34>but I still don't knowing how do this in a unique aptitude way\
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14:14<ml|>but it's better to use one or the other
14:14<enouf> enouf> that's "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install"
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14:14<enouf>ml|: not since Lenny ... there are differences though
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14:15*lupine_85 hugs apt-get
14:15<lupine_85>apt rules tude drools ;)
14:15<enouf>!love apt-get
14:15*dpkg makes love to apt-get, caressing apt-get's hair, whispering sweet nothings in apt-get's ear...
14:15*ml| hugs apyiyude
14:15*ml| hugs aptitude
14:15<enouf>wrong gal :-p
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14:15<dpkg>I'm female
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14:16<sam_>I ran old xorg.conf backup
14:16<sam_>so my resolution is lower
14:16<ml|>enouf: not since Lenny ... there are differences though ??
14:16<sam_>trying compiz --replace with lower resolution
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14:17<sam_>yo okay
14:17<sam_>it says many but less things
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14:17<sam_>it talks about texture_from_pixmap that is not present
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14:18<sam_>about xgl
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14:21<sam_>would my glxinfo output would be useful for you ?
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14:23<craigevil>sam_: you would probably get more help with compiz in #compiz-fusion on freenode
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14:44<twiadpaws>hi folks
14:45<twiadpaws>i got a grub error 24, how can i use the live cd to check my harddisk?
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14:47<danger_>^^ I would like to know this too
14:47<twiadpaws>:) same problem?
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14:48<danger_>Yep on an older hard disk - never did figure out how to fix it lol
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14:56<twiadpaws>can i prevent grub from booting the default partition? to use its command line interface so i can check what's wrong? the terminal of the live cd doesn't bring a lot of options with it
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15:13<locklace>!lart sime
15:13*dpkg stabs sime
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15:16<djole_nisam_ja>hi people
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15:45<Gesichtslos>Hey is anyone here able to help me with a window lag issue? I'm a relatively new linux user making the switch from Ubuntu to Debian.
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15:51<twiadpaws>now i know why there's an option for giving /boot an own partition
15:54<lupine_85>ho hum, anyone know where I can get libxul for Lenny? It was in etch...
15:54<dmoerner>lupine_85, it doesn't exist anymore
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15:55<lupine_85>so I noticed. Anything similar?
15:55<dmoerner>it's a relic of the old xulrunner, pre-ff 3. why do you need it? it's out of date
15:56<lupine_85>it's mentioned in the build docs for an app
15:56<lupine_85>if xulrunner provides similar functionality, i'm sure I'll be able to use that
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15:58<dmoerner>lupine_85, yeah try with xulrunner-dev
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16:00<lupine_85>will do, thanks
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16:21<Mosey>can anyone here help me fix a bug i'm having?
16:22<locklace>!tell Mosey about ask
16:22<dr|z3d>Really depends, Mosey. You need to outline your problem first.
16:22<dr|z3d>We're not mind readers.
16:22<dr|z3d>(Except dpkg).
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16:23<Mosey>So basically, I am running lenny. installs fine. I can boot and log into it and it runs perfect for about 2-3 minutes then it completely locks up
16:23<Mosey>My hw: Core2Duo E6600, ATI X1800XT video card.
16:23<locklace>in x or outside x
16:24<dr|z3d>Smells like hardware issues, overheating perhaps..
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16:24<Mosey>that's what i thought it should be
16:24<Mosey>it never happened in etch though
16:24<locklace>does it work fine outside x
16:24<Mosey>it is in X
16:24<locklace>which video driver, radeon?
16:25<Mosey>i think so, whichever comes with the default installation
16:25<dr|z3d>Have you tried booting off a live cd to see if that does the same thing?
16:25<locklace>Mosey: "grep drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
16:26<Mosey>i see, so basically 1: try non graphical mode, 2: find drivers
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16:26<Mosey>any other suggestions?
16:27<locklace>!lart vartan
16:27*dpkg pushes the wall down onto vartan whilst whistling innocently
16:27<locklace>Mosey: yes, follow instructions
16:28<vartan>i need help on sound system
16:28<Torfox>apt-get install pwn
16:28<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
16:28<locklace>Mosey: "grep drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
16:28<wekt>That is indeed the first "lol" I have made, I think.
16:29<twiadpaws>it's the 2nd now
16:30<Mosey>ok i will be back in a bit
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16:31<vartan>i need help on sound issues any body out there
16:31<locklace>!tell vartan about how to ask
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16:31<Torfox>!tell Torfox about how to ask
16:32<locklace>!tell Torfox about selftell
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16:32<vartan>this the first time on chat channel
16:32<Torfox>wow all these rules... I'll never fit in
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16:40<vartan>when i play cd on the debian lenny 5.0 i can not hair th sound connection is ok
16:41<vartan>Processor : Pentium III (Katmai)
16:41<vartan>Memory : 386MB (180MB used)
16:41<vartan>Operating System : Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.2
16:41<vartan>User Name : vartan (vartan)
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16:42<bl4ckc00k1e>hi people
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16:42<bl4ckc00k1e>how i know if my grafic target it works?
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16:43<bl4ckc00k1e>i install the driver
16:43<bl4ckc00k1e>but iam not sure if my nvidia works
16:43<bl4ckc00k1e>i know that there are some comand, but i dont remember
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16:45<adama>bl4ckc00k1e you need to edit your xorg.conf file to use the new driver
16:45<adama>if it is working you will see the nvidia logo on GDM start
16:46<bl4ckc00k1e>adama i edit all
16:46<bl4ckc00k1e>and i ahve some problems
16:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 436] by debhelper
16:47<bl4ckc00k1e>but when i start my configuration of resolution works more
16:47<bl4ckc00k1e>and i dont know if the nvidia its working
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16:47<bl4ckc00k1e>i dont see the logo because i turn off, and i wana know if its works now
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16:48<adama>bl4ckc00k1e: glxinfo|grep vendor
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16:49<chealer>bl4ckc00k1e: what do you mean by "grafic target"?
16:49<bl4ckc00k1e>adama comand not found...
16:50<bl4ckc00k1e>chealer, i mean nvidia, 3D target, i dont know the name in inglish
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16:52<locklace>bl4ckc00k1e: "xvinfo | grep Adaptor"
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16:54<chealer>bl4ckc00k1e: I'm still not sure what you mean by "3D target". which driver did you install? what is your native language?
16:54<Mosey>so, 1: The driver is radeon, 2: it doesn't crash when i run without X
16:54<Mosey>any suggestions?
16:55<locklace>Mosey: try the vesa driver
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16:55<Mosey>hmm ok
16:56<bl4ckc00k1e>chealer, i am spanish, i trie to mean the nvidia target, for plame games, etc. like ati
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16:57<chealer>bl4ckc00k1e: I'm guessing you mean 3D acceleration
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16:57<chealer>bl4ckc00k1e: #debian-es might help you better. otherwise, which driver did you install?
16:58<bl4ckc00k1e>chealer, i install the driver woth module.assistant, only i wana know the comand to see if it works
16:58<chealer>bl4ckc00k1e: OK. did you follow the wiki guide?
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17:00<chealer>bl4ckc00k1e: I assume you're talking about the nvidia driver then
17:00<bl4ckc00k1e>chealer, i folow to many guides, and in the 6º tried, my screen resolution is better, and i think its works, but i am not sure
17:00<chealer>bl4ckc00k1e: did you follow ?
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17:01<chealer>bl4ckc00k1e: that one contains a "Check that it worked" section
17:01*chealer goes to train
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17:02*locklace plays the theme from "iron man"
17:03<chealer>that conflicts with Ride the Lightning
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17:05<vartan>how i can get help
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17:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:10<vartan>i have problem sound card output running Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.2 the sound card is SB Audigy LS
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17:11<blast_hardcheese>Who doesn't
17:12<vartan>what sound card i should use !
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17:14<locklace>vartan: "cat /proc/asound/cards"
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17:15<vartan>locklace : can you explain?
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17:15<locklace>execute the command, paste the output at
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17:21<locklace>but we were just getting to know you
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17:22<vartan>i am new and lost a little bit i am trying to find my way around
17:22<kenyon>!confuse vartan
17:22<dpkg>No, how are my pineapple tomorrow, vartan? Lederhosen of the Monarchy of Micronesia with extra cheese.
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17:23<loudergood>try /part
17:23<blast_hardcheese>or /quit
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17:25<vartan>pineapple tomorrow ? .. what that means
17:26<adama>I like cheese
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17:27<Hideo>!confuse vartan
17:27<dpkg>Yes, those was my bacon tomorrow, vartan? Trousers of the Monarchy of Liechtenstein with extra crabpaste.
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17:27<adama>mmmmmm bacon & cheese
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17:29<Mosey>hi again, does anyone have a guide for switching from radeon drivers to vesa for x?
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17:33<Mosey>do i just have to mess around with xorg.conf or what?
17:33<adama>here's a guide: 1. switch radeon to vesa in xorg.conf 2. restart your DE
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17:34<Mosey>figured :/
17:34<loudergood>it really is that easy
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17:46<twiadpaws>i had to upgrade to the newest kernel, is there a possibility to not update to further unstable versions unless they've become stable?
17:46<twiadpaws>err, not to*
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17:47<smacnay>enouf, well, I got everything installed
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17:48<locklace>twiadpaws: no. we'll be sending a team member around shortly to hold a gun to your head until you update.
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17:49<smacnay>enouf, now to update everything
17:50<twiadpaws>locklace, glad to hear :)
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17:50<locklace>that's the spirit
17:50*locklace raises the fist of communal update solidarity
17:51<twiadpaws>it's nonsens to keep updating unstable versions, after they've been tested successfully i'd like to get em
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17:53<Mosey>so i switched my drivers to vesa, but now when i boot it says "sync over range" when x starts
17:53<Mosey>basically, its drying to display at too fast a rate for my monitor
17:53<Mosey>anyone know how to lower the refresh rate for vesa?
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17:53<Solus>Hey all
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17:55<Solus>I've just installed Debian but am having a few problems when the boot process, anyone able to help?
17:55<ml|>dpkg: tell Solus about ask
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17:55<kapil>Mosey: does Ctrl+Alt+KPPlus (KPMinus) work?
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17:57<Solus>Thanks ml|
17:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 429] by debhelper
17:57<Mosey>hmm i can try doing that
17:57<Mosey>any other ways to do it?
17:57<simNIX>Solus, on irc Linux ask help channels its aexpected you fully state what you tried and waht exactly happend - asking can someone help me with this is so litle specific no one wil answer ...
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17:58<Solus>:P right o
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18:06<Mosey>ok, so i tried the vesa drivers, and it hangs the same way with vesa drivers as well
18:06<smacnay>Is there a link or info on setting up apt.sources lines? All of mine in this new install are for "main". There is a contrib and nonfree if I recall.
18:06<Mosey>basically: after i boot and log in, it randomly hangs after 2-3 minutes of operation, this happens with both vesa drivers and radeon drivers
18:08<dr|z3d>Smells like hardware overheating to me. Just a hunch.
18:08<adb>!tell smacnay about sources
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18:08<Mosey>i can try starting it with a huge freaking fan pointed at my video card
18:08<Solus>I've installed Debian 5.0.1 "Lenny" & have an ATI Radeon HD 4890, 4GB RAM & a Intel Q6600 Quad Core. During the latter part of the boot process my monitors show: "Frequency out of range" and "Not optimum mode, recommended mode : 1280x1024 60Hz".
18:09<dr|z3d>Mosey: Good idea.
18:09<Mosey>my video card has a controllable speed fan, what program can i use to control the speed
18:10<adb>smacnay: deb lenny main contrib non-free
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18:12<Solus>So far I've tried: Adding "vga=ask" to Grub to see if trying lower settings work however as expected this didn't effect the latter stages of the boot sequence. When the monitors bomb out I dropped into the terminal using ctrl+alt+F1 and have tried editing "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" to force vert & horizsync as well as defaultdepth which didn't get me anywhere... Updated & installed fglrx-control, fglrx-driver & module-assistant & run "m-a a-i fglr
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18:13<Solus>modprobe fglrx returns the errors: "fglrx: module license taints kernel"... "[fglrx] max main mem to use for dma buffers: 3806MBs"... "*Error* [driver] allocating 0 bytes"... "[fglrx:firegl_init_device_list] *Error* out of memory when allocating device heads"... "*error* firegl_init_devices failed FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2amd64/misc/fglrx.ko): Cannot allocate memory"
18:13<Solus>And I'm pretty much out of ideas on what to do to fix it now :/
18:13<loudergood>have you used ati-config?
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18:13<loudergood>or is it fglrx config
18:13<Solus>Returns: "Command not found"
18:14<loudergood>I haven't used fglrx config in years
18:14<Solus>Neither are found
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18:15<loudergood>ah it's aticonfig
18:15<loudergood>but that depends on how you installed fglrx as well
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18:16<bighornram>i had squeeze installed 3/30/09 disk, and it detects the disk without problems, june 15 cd can't identify the disk, how do i find out what driver i need?
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18:18<adb>bighornram: i recall a bug in squeeze installer , take a look at BTS
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18:22<Solus>loudergood: Thanks I'm running through aticonfig atm, I'll let you know how it goes :P
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18:25<loudergood>Solus: glad I remembered, it's been years since I've run linux on hardware not supported by radeon
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18:26<Solus>loudergood: They were _supposed_ to be getting better for it, lol. Experience is suggesting they're not
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18:27<loudergood>my laptop's radeon 7500 is supported perfectly ;)
18:28<Solus>You're lucky, I've had one hell of a job with this 4890 on a couple of distro's now...
18:28<osmga>We had a trouble with a raid monitoring software (dell omsa). After a closer look, we found out that the kernel was involved. So I installed a new kernel. The surprise is that the 2.6.26 from the official source isn't safe, but the 2.6.26 from bpo actually works.
18:28<osmga>How can I compare both kernels ? Is there a list of compile options somewhere ?
18:29<osmga>Do I have to check something else than compile options ? Like modules or something ?
18:29<loudergood>bpo must have a list somewhere
18:30<petemc>osmga: look in /boot/ for the kernel config
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18:33<osmga>petemc: thx, so I basically just have to compare /boot/config* and that's all ? I mean except compile options, nothing else is supposed to change ?
18:33*osmga looks at this
18:34<adb>osmga: actually bpo has no any 2.6.26 kernel
18:35<osmga>Damn, the compile options are the same :/
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18:35<osmga>config-2.6.26-bpo.2-vserver-amd64 is from etch-backports.
18:35<osmga>I can't use the 2.6.29 from lenny-backports cause there is no -vserver kernel :/
18:35<osmga>That's what is bothering me.
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18:37<adb>osmga: etch has no 2.6.26 official kernel
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18:38<quicksilver>Hello. Use debian lenny 5.0.0. I installed VirtualBox and I would like to know if it is trial version (eg 30 days). Also if you have already installed Windows XP can be launched from linux or install it directly from there to 0. I'm from Argentina, sorry for my english. Thank you
18:38<osmga>adb: I'm running lenny, but the official kernel doesn't work, so I had to use the one from etch-backport.
18:39<themill>osmga: they should have different acpi compilation options at least.
18:39<dkr>!tell quicksilver about dual boot
18:39<osmga>themill: doesn't this appears in config-* ?
18:39<dkr>!tell quicksilver about dual boot guide
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18:41<quicksilver>If me or something that explains a little better. In English or Spanish is the same.
18:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:43<quicksilver>sorry but not many know about the topic in that channel, dpkg
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18:45<quicksilver>ok I see
18:46<dkr>quicksilver: there is a free version of virtualbox and a commercial version. virtualbox-ose is the free one
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18:47<dkr>ose == open source edition
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18:47<dr|z3d>ose = no usb support or 3d acceleration.
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18:49<krazykit>i thought the open-source version had limited usb support?
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18:49<dr|z3d>Last time I looked it had none. It might have changed.
18:50<dr|z3d>Feel free to do your own research. :)
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18:54<smacnay>what is the "volatile" source in apt.sources all about?
18:54<quicksilver>Ok thanks for your input. I was very helpful
18:55<dpkg>well, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>.
18:55<dli__>W: GPG error: ftp://punk etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
18:55<themill>dpkg: tell dli__ about new archive key
18:55<dli__>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
18:55<dli__>themill, thanks
18:55<smacnay>what an oracle that dpkg is-- thanks themill
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18:55<themill>dpkg knows everything
18:55<dpkg>Yes, I do, themill.
18:56<dli__>themill, I would like to ask why "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" is still there. I remember this was accepted as a bug years ago
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18:56<themill>dli__: yeah.... it's still in the bts somewhere
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18:56<fladd>hello, can anyone help me briefly with one issue? I use AVLinux (a debian stable) and there is a rt-kernel provided. However, when using this, my wireless does not work anymore, due to the fact that there is no iwl4965 in the modprobe.d folder for the rt-kernel. Is there any way I can fix this? Can I get the module from somewhere else?
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18:56<mib_w6tnuk>I'm trying to install lenny through a Microsoft ISA proxy server, and cannot get apt toauthenticate. I've tried the following proxy configuration: http: //<domain>\<user>: <pass>@<ip address>: 80 and the regular varation without the domain specified. However I cannot get through. Is there any way around this?
18:57<dli__>themill, I know how to add apt-key, but reading the error message is really frustrating after years
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18:57<themill>!dbugs 397702
18:57<dpkg>#397702:N[apt] Shouldn't suggest running 'apt-get update' to fix NO_PUBKEY (confirmed); Wed, 08 Nov 2006 22:33:18 UTC [418456 464941 511292]
18:58<themill>dli__: ^^ send patches :)
18:58<dli__>themill, okay, I should, if no others would like to fix this non-challenging bug
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18:59<themill>dli__: there's a chance that the code paths are well entangled and it is actually quite hard to fix
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18:59<dli__>themill, no, I would just add a message to the gpg error part, quite easy there
19:00<dli__>themill, if key_fail; then suggest apt-key
19:01<themill>that's not so great for maintaining trust in the keys though
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19:03<Bunnyh>Is the dmraid -ay command run on bootup somehow, if I have the package installed? It doesn't seem to have a README.Debian, there are no init.d files and I couldn't find any other init.d file containing references to dmraid
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19:04<fladd>can anyone tell me if I can add the iwl4965 module when I have the headers for the kernel? or do I need to recompile the kernel?
19:04<Bunnyh>Seems like an easy thing to do, I'm just unsure about how to correctly configure it to run at boot-time (or whether I even have to do that myself)
19:04<gnude>has anybody worked with jfs on debian here?
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19:05<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
19:06<themill>fladd: iwl4965 is already in the kernels -- I don't know if the RT patch disables it however.
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19:06<fladd>I only have iwlcore and iwl3945
19:06<fladd>the normal kernel has additionally the iwl4965
19:07<fladd>so if it is disabled then I have to recompile the kernel? no other chance?
19:07<themill>fladd: you really need to ask whomever you got that kernel from
19:07<fladd>I also know that I can use the iwlagn module, but according to the rt config it is not set
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19:09<inglor>Anyone got a clue how to solve broken dependance after installing latest release with apt-get on sid ?
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19:10<themill>dpkg: tell inglor about bat
19:11<inglor>I tried to use the bot but don;t really know how to use it.. :S
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19:13<bighornram>This bug in the installer where the hard drive is not detected seems to have been around since march. Is there a workaround for this?
19:14<Computer_Man>can some one help me get conky to automatically launch on login?
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19:14<gnude>hello, use anybody jfs here?
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19:15<themill>inglor: please let us know the URL of your paste when you've done that (and tell us in the channel so that others can help should I fall asleep...)
19:15<locklace>!tell gnude about anyone
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19:16<vvas>gnude: what about it?
19:16<gnude>i decieded to use jfs at debian. but i dont know, how does it allocate space for the files. is fragmentation here a problem?
19:17<vvas>i wouldn't expect fragmentation to be a problem for any of the primary Linux filesystems
19:18<dli__>gnude, jfs supports extents, so, problem fragmentation is not a serious issue
19:18<dli__>gnude, I think ext4 supports extents too
19:18<gnude>ok in this way there is nothing bad about jfs? why dont use more people the file system? is has b-trees, extents, can manage hard disks up to 4 petabyte?
19:18<vvas>having said that, i don't think there are many reasons to prefer jfs over the other ones
19:19<dli__>gnude, never say never :(
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19:19<vvas>gnude: there's nothing wrong with it, but for most uses there's another one that's slightly better :^)
19:19<dli__>gnude, if you want to resize a jfs partition, easy to grow at mount time, but jfs never shrinks
19:19<inglor>I am trying to install wine back after apt-get dist-upgrade auto removed it. Here is the info: (Thanks for answer)
19:20<gnude>i dont want so shrink, and i dont let it grow. i only work with it. saving files. reading files. it must be fast with this.
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19:23<dpkg>Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3>. Old benchmarks at . #linuxfs on
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19:23<vvas>heh, i'd say that pretty soon all four of the up-to-recently primary filesystems are going to become "legacy" ones, thanks to ext4
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19:23<vvas>if not already, now that 2.6.30 has been released
19:23<locklace>!start a fs war
19:23<dpkg>UDF is too slow!
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19:26<dli__>gnude, some claim jfs as fast, but do find jfs is faster on fsck, but probably not so by daily usage base
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19:28<gnude>no fswar... ;-)
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19:32<twiadpaws>my debian runs smoothly again :D
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20:01<chazchaz>I'm trying to install the latest testing on my beige G3 and the installer won't recognize my hard drive. It shows up in /dev as sda1-7 and I'm pretty sure that the mesh drivers are being successfully loaded on boot
20:02<chazchaz>any ideas?
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20:04<adb>tried lenny ?
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20:05<chazchaz>yeah, it recognized it
20:06<goodger>hello, I have just rebooted my squeeze system's Xorg for the first time in several weeks and it is stuck in 640x480. the correct driver, HorizSync and VertRefresh values are specified in xorg.conf; does anyone have any suggestions to restore my system to a working state?
20:07<adb>chazchaz: use it , install only the Base system , reboot in lenny , and migrate to testing
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20:11<chazchaz>ok, thanks
20:11<chazchaz>should I file a bug or something?
20:12<adb>sure , if it is not already one
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20:16<smacnay>libc6 is not 64 bit I see.
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20:32<smacnay>is there much in debian that has not been ported to 64bit?
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20:35<gnude>hello, i have the following problem with debian: i backup a filsystem (root) with dd into a image file. after restoring with dd and check with fsck many errors and lost files are found. the problem is with ext3 and jfs. after this the system wont boot anymore correctly. during backup i booted from the system rescue cd. on other computer i can do a backup with dd without errors. the dd image is on a fat32 drive, is this a problem?
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20:37<smacnay>wow - what a change from an Athlon 2800 to a dual core intel chip - power galore. Like moving from a Ford Pinto to a Mustang.
20:38<gnude>is the ram not more interesting? from what ram to what ram you change?
20:39<smacnay>gnude, 2 to 4 gig
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20:40<nick_>What do I need to run if I want to compile a python script into an encrypted or byte compiled form so others can't get at the source?
20:41<mikegrb>uh, probably doing it wrong
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20:41<mikegrb>if it can be executed, it can be inspected
20:41<gnude>the fucking error is found. fat32 only supports files to 4gb, the file is larger then 5gb and everything after 4 gb is missing. so dd only writes a part of the data, the other is missing. thats fat32, thats ms. thats shit!!!
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20:49<dli__>gnude, FAT32 :(
20:49<dli__>gnude, also, you should use partimage, instead of dd
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20:52<nick_>What do I need to run if I want to compile a python script into an encrypted or byte compiled form so others can't get at the source? I have both python and python-dev installed.
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20:54<bremner>nick_: byte compilation is easy, but not very secure
20:56<bremner>nick_: what are you trying to accomplish?
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20:57<gnude>yes partimage would be better
20:57<nick_>mainly trying to find out if I write a program in python if I want to protect users from modifying it like some programs do they byte compile .pyc instead of .py files how do I do this?
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21:00<jawnsy>hi there. I have Debian installed on a partition on my machine, and currently dual-boot. I was wondering if anyone might know how to get it to also boot in a VMware container (I'd like to keep dual booting ability, though)
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21:01<bremner>nick_: py_compilefiles
21:02<nick_>programs like mailman byte compile their python files if I change do I need to recompile mm_cfg.pyc in order for the change to take effect or will that happen automatically?
21:03<bremner>nick_: maybe someone else can tell you a simpler way; that script is in the package python-central.
21:03<bremner>nick_: maybe you should consult a python faq/channel
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21:05<nick_>channel #python no one is talking in there is there a good python faq?
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21:08<smacnay>anyone have a preferred photo management app in gnome?
21:09<bremner>nick_: there is lots of doc on, if I remember right. By the way, "no one is talking in #on-topic-channel" is not really a popular reason.
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21:12<magyar> hi, is there a kbuild for linux-image-2.6.30 or kbuilds a obsolete?
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21:16<jawnsy>how do I get the UUID of a volume so I can use it in grub?
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21:16<jawnsy>ah, blkid apparently. or vol_id. hm
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21:22<smacnay>does a 32 bit libc6 deter an AMD64 install from eak potential?
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21:30<jawnsy>hm, how do I turn off the annoying beeps when say, I hit backspace too many times?
21:31<jawnsy>smacnay: I'm not an expert, but I'd say having a 32bit libc is sort of pointless on amd64 since programs aren't going to be able to access all the memory 64bit ones can...
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21:31<jawnsy>smacnay: why would you want such a configuration?
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21:31<vvas>jawnsy: "xset b off" should do the trick
21:31<smacnay>jawnsy, it is the default. I have selected nothing myself yet. This is the Debian default install of AMD64
21:33<vvas>smacnay: talking about the ia32-libs package? it should do no harm
21:33<antixogh>so i just did a fresh install of debian 5.0 from a netinstall cd. when i boot i make it to the welcome screen, the video output is jumbled and it freeze the system. any ideas?
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21:33<smacnay>vvas, thanks - I am brand new to the 64bit / dual core arena and just see some things that make me wonder
21:34<vvas>smacnay: it's just there for compatibility in case you try to run a 32-bit executable
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21:37<jawnsy>hm, is it possible to get Debian's grub-upgrade script to use UUIDs instead of /dev ... etc
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21:49<jawnsy>ooh figured it out, it was under the options in /boot/grub/menu.lst (but outside of the automagic kernels stuff)
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21:51<twb>!why iceweasel
21:51<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
21:52<twb>WTF, the dpkg on #debian-bots on Freenode gives different answers
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21:56<beren>.msg dpkg nvidia
21:58<adb> /msg dpkg nvidia
21:58<antixogh>so i just did a fresh install of debian 5.0 from a netinstall cd. when i boot i make it to the welcome screen, the video output is jumbled and it freeze the system. any ideas?
22:00<adb>gnome ?
22:00<beren>gnome?!?! Kde is da bomb :)
22:01<antixogh>does gnome control gdm?
22:01<twb>antixogh: did you choose to install the "desktop" task?
22:01<twb>antixogh: gdm is the gnome display manager.
22:01<twb>antixogh: sorry, I can't be bothered helping with X problems
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22:03<antixogh>lol alright
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22:05<twb>I find the best way to get rid of video problems is to avoid all Nvidia and ATI graphics cards, and Intel GMA 500s.
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22:07<antixogh>i haven't installed anything yet it's a fresh instal
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22:15<dli__>twb, ati is fine here
22:17<twb>dli__: ymmv, etc
22:17<twb>I grant you that the R200 worked reasonably well.
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22:17<dli__>twb, r5xx
22:18<twb>I would not trust anything r300 or higher.
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22:18<dli__>twb, It simply works for me without an xorg.conf
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22:19<dli__>twb, and r7xx 3D support with mesa-7.6 (when released)
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22:22<lintian>I have kernel 2.6.24-1-486
22:23<lintian>how can I install dabian lenny in a raid 0 config
22:25<dli__>lintian, do you mean to get a lenny installation CD? or to add raid0 to a running system
22:26<twb>lintian: why do you want RAID0? It is usually the wrong thing.
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22:46<f_9>hello warty
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22:53<GhostlyDeath>Is there a way to change my resolution to 320x200?
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22:53<twb>You may need to write a modeline for it, since it's an unusual resolution
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23:06<bighornram>Is Squeeze not operable right now or what!!!! reinstalled due to f****d up system and now getting prompt for root user password dispite not putting a root user in the setup at all!!!
23:07<antixogh>maybe the root password from the old install?
23:08<bighornram>Is a brand new install with the sqeeze CD downloaded it today
23:08<bighornram>there is NO root
23:08<bighornram>I have no control
23:09<bighornram>I KNOW!!
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23:09<adb>so ?
23:09<bighornram>AND the CD had no hard drive detection. POS
23:10<bighornram>MICROSOFT SUCKS TOO
23:10<twb>bighornram: sit down, take some deep breaths
23:10<bighornram>this is the exact reason I migrated years ago
23:10<bighornram>I'm feeling angry
23:10<twb>bighornram: either you can rant, or you can discuss specific issues and we can try to solve them.
23:11<bighornram>guess the answer right now is to go back to Lenny. twb I knwo
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23:11<twb>If you want to rant, I suggest you try #emacs or #ideologies on Freenode, where such things won't get in the way of people trying to solve issues.
23:12<adb>bighornram: squeeze CD had no hard drive detection, known bug
23:12<GhostlyDeath>Ranting in #emacs is saying "Editor x is better than emacs"
23:12<twb>GhostlyDeath: try /msg fsbot salespitch
23:13<bighornram>twb: I understand what you are saying although I have been slammed for asking simple questions on this chat before, I can tell one time. the bug has been since March and comments were wait a couple days. It is June!
23:14<twb>bighornram: Squeeze isn't released yet, so the -boot team are not obliged to make it work.
23:14<twb>bighornram: I don't doubt they're working on something else they consider more important.
23:14<twb>Or, you know, maybe they're on vacation or maternity leave or something. Whatever.
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23:15<bighornram>I have been using debian since potato and can't remember it being messed up for so long. You are probably right.
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23:17<sney>or you used the nightly built netinstall image for squeeze and they temporarily broke something
23:18<krazykit>bighornram, so install lenny and upgrade to squeeze?
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23:20<antixogh>FML... so i can't and version of linux i have to run on my system
23:21<bighornram>krazykit: I think probably calmly thinking I should go back to lenny for a while. Venting I guess, have a cd from months ago, network discovery doesn't work, now network discovery works but no hard drive. Guess I think it ID'd it before why not now.
23:21<antixogh>- and + get
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23:26<adb>!tell bighornram about kmuto
23:26<chazchaz>I'm trying to update from lenny to testing with aptitude, and I'm getting a bunch of package not authenticated errors
23:27<chazchaz>how do I install the new keys?
23:27<dpkg>[key] Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive
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23:29<bighornram>adb: why thankyou for that!!
23:29<adb>!tell chazchaz about new archive key
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23:30<TheFish>what do i need to connect a scsi drive to a host pci adapter, i know that i need a cable, but there is no power connector on the drive, does the drive get power from the pci adapter?
23:30<adb>ask vendor
23:31<TheFish>i got the drives from my uncle
23:31<adb>ask uncle
23:31<TheFish>he got them from a yard sale
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23:32<adb>usually scsi needs separate power
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23:32<TheFish>ah, ok
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23:33<TheFish>cu all
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23:34<RJARRRPCGP>Have you seen this:
23:34<RJARRRPCGP>root@rjarrrpcgp-khc:/home/rjarrrpcgp/Desktop# gpg --verify MD5SUMS.sign
23:34<RJARRRPCGP>gpg: Signature made Tue 14 Apr 2009 02:16:21 PM EDT using DSA key ID 88C7C1F7
23:34<RJARRRPCGP>gpg: BAD signature from "Steve McIntyre <>"
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23:44<antixogh>!tel antixogh about debian
23:44<adb>!tel antixogh about selftell
23:44<antixogh>!tell antixogh about debian
23:44<adb>!tell antixogh about selftell
23:46<RJARRRPCGP>Anyone having a problem with the GPG signature for the MD5?
23:47<RJARRRPCGP>It reports the signature being bad.
23:47<kenyon>RJARRRPCGP: nobody knows what files you're talking about.
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23:48<edbian>Can I switch my debian PC to ipv6? Do websites support ipv6? My router? My modem? Do they need to? Where should I start?
23:48<edbian>kenyon: Thank you :)
23:51<kenyon>edbian: also
23:51<adb>RJARRRPCGP: do /nick rjar , please
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23:53<rjar>This is puzzling that gpg claims a bad signature for the md5sums.
23:53<kenyon>maybe you should download again and retry
23:54<adb>!new archive key
23:54<dpkg>If you have fallen behind with your updates, then you may be getting this warning from apt-get update: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 9AA38DCD55BE302B". Install the debian-archive-keyring package to load the new key or manually load the new key using apt-key after verifying that it has been correctly signed. Ask me about <secure apt> <apt-key 55BE302B>.
23:54<rjar>When I used the MD5SUMS file and did "md5sum -c MD5SUMS" it was OK.
23:55<rjar>But verifying via gpg, with MD5SUMS.sign fails.
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23:56<rjar>Oh, BTW, I just downloaded 5.0.1 i386 and posting from Ubuntu. The CD was burned already.
23:57<rjar>I'm using two different methods of checking the download:
23:58<rjar>The usual md5sums passed.
23:58<rjar>But the gpg method fails.
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