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---Logopened Thu Jun 18 00:00:33 2009
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00:00<rjar>I never gotten a corrupted download with the ADSL service I have.
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00:02<rjar>Here's the usual md5sum test passing:
00:03<chazchaz>I'm still having issues migrating to testing
00:04<rjar>lol "what is a corrupted download? I never had one for a loong time"
00:04<chazchaz>when I download the latest lists of packages, some fail with an expired key error, and when I run aptitude dist-upgrade, I get a warning about untrusted packages
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00:05<rjar>This is the check I would like to see pass, but gpg keeps complaining about the signature.
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00:07<johnfg>hi folks
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00:08<johnfg>Anyone know where I can enter my password for evolution so I won't have to do it every time? It says that the keyring is locked. This used to happen with evolution on fedora, but it's been fixed.
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00:10<craigevil>chazchaz: try reinstalling debian-keyring from testing
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00:10<rjar>I found instructions to check the image via gpg here:
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00:11<rjar>It seems to be fine until I enter:
00:11<rjar>gpg --verify MD5SUMS.sign
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00:16<chazchaz>craigevil: removing the keyring removes all of apt
00:16<chazchaz>wait, nm
00:16<craigevil>dont remove it reinstall it
00:17<chazchaz>that was debian-archive-keyring
00:17<craigevil>i had that happen a couple weeks ago, running sid the key was updated and I had the same error
00:20<johnfg>You guys know about the key ring issue for evolution on lenny? How or where do I unlock it?
00:21<rjar>The one I'm talking about is for verifying the CD burn.
00:22<rjar>Even when it's rare for me to get a coaster.
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00:24<johnfg>Is it possible to copy between, say, an X session, and a tty?
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00:39<twb>johnfg: try gpm
00:45<johnfg>twb: what's gpm?
00:46<craigevil>lets you use your mouse in tty
00:46<twb>!tell johnfg -about gpm
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00:47<johnfg>twb, Thanks! I'll give that a try.
00:47<johnfg>I've only recently discovered about the tty's available through alt-ctl-f1-6. Pretty cool.
00:48<twb> I don't even run X normally.
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00:54<johnfg>twb, Yeah, makes me hark back to my att 3b days and sysv unix.
00:54<johnfg>twb what's the command for dpkg to reconfigure a package?
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00:57<johnfg>Got it.
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01:00<johnfg>So, how do you start gpm in the console/tty? I've got a usb basic optical mouse, ps2 compatible.
01:02<twb>johnfg: dunno, I don't use mice
01:03<twb>Pointing and grunting is for people who don't have language.
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01:03<Hideo>johnfg: what he's trying to say is 99% out there don't have language
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01:09<johnfg>Right. My 18 yr. old son gave an extemporaneous speech tonight, and I told him some things about using language.
01:11<johnfg>I thought this was it, but it just took invoke-rc.d gpm start.
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01:12<twb>johnfg: hopefully /usr/share/doc/gpm/* make it clear
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01:26<simNIX>my 15G usb dongle is detected in dmesg, but when I try to cfdisk it I get
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01:27<simNIX>(FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder)
01:28<simNIX>I bought it to put Debian on, so I would realy like to find a wat to get ext2 on it ...
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01:30<twb>simNIX: use parted, then
01:30<twb>simNIX: presumably you don't care about the existing partitions; you just want to blow them away and create new ones.
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01:35<simNIX>tru - tnx
01:36<simNIX>just wondered whats up with cfdisk since its always been good 2 me
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01:37<twb>It's being paranoid, basically
01:38<twb>This is why it's usually a better idea to use cfdisk than parted :-)
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01:38<twb>I would actually probably just "mklabel msdos" in parted, then go back to using cfdisk.
01:38<twb>Or even just use dd with /dev/zero to delete the partition table
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01:47<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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02:38<debam>jm_ hi i am having built in namuga camera 0ac8:c326 z-star microelectronics corp. which is working using xawtv but using camorama it is giving error as VIDIOCGMBF -- could not set buffer info, exiting
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02:41<jm_>debam: camorama seems pretty ancient tool, try using something newer
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02:42<debam>jm_ to capture moving picture which driver is needed?
02:45<jm_>debam: well it uses video4linux or v4l
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02:52<jm_>debam: which driver do you use for it?
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02:54<jm_>is it UVC?
02:55<debam>jm_ i am using v4l
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02:55<jm_>debam: yes, but that's just a name for the infrastructure - all video devices in Linux are supported via that
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02:58<debam>jm_ but for ekiga it is giving error as a moving logo will be transmitted during calls.notice that u can always transmit a given image or moving logo by choosing as video plugin and movinglogo or staticpicture as driver doesn't support requested format
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03:04<jm_>debam: hmm it says it supports v4l 1 and 2 so in theory should be able to work with all cameras, but v4l can be complicated and the apps needs to configure the device correctly; I don't have any real experience with any of these apps, I have only used spcaview for 5 minutes once with my webcam
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03:04<petern>once upon a time, format conversion was in the kernel, and it all worked...
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03:12<debam>which user application is avaialble in gnome to capture moving video format other than ekiga?
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03:23<jm_>debam: search for v4l or video
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04:08<antixogh>is there an official debain live ?
04:09<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. Pre-built Lenny 5.0.1 images are at #debian-live on OFTC (
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04:35<debam>hi to all changes made in iceweasel/firefox configuration using about:config in which file get stored
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04:36<debam>i want to make offline mode of firefox permenantly to disable
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04:37<jm_>debam: prefs.js, but don't modify it manually
04:37<jm_>or be extra careful when doing it
04:38<jm_>are you sure you can disable it there?
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04:38<dr|z3d>And about:config is a better place to configure.
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04:39<ml|>if you want todo this for use on other computers, it would be best to take the whole .mozilla dir with you
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04:40<debam>jm_ yes i can try .
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04:41<debam>jm_ else each time after loging i have to disable offline mode to use internet.
04:41<jm_>debam: it is disabled by default
04:42<debam>jm_ no i dont know how it got enabled
04:42<ml|>disabling it it easy first menu at the bottom
04:42<jm_>debam: not sure, searching for off doesn't list it in about:config for me, maybe I missed it or it has a different name
04:42<dr|z3d>If IceWeasel detects you're offline, some iterations will automagically put you in offline mode I've noticed.
04:43<ml|>file mune that is
04:43<jm_>how does it detect that? it never detected this for me in many years
04:43<dr|z3d>jm_: There is no method to disable offline mode that I can discern.
04:43<dr|z3d>jm_: No idea, I just noticed that behavior lately.
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04:43<dr|z3d>The closest in about:config is > browser.cache.offline.enable
04:43<ml|>never noticed that
04:43<dr|z3d>Which is not what's needed here.
04:43<jm_>dr|z3d: maybe one needs network manager or somesuch, which I don't use
04:44<dr|z3d>jm_: Yeah, could well be that.
04:44<debam>jm_ browser.offline user set boolean false
04:44<ml|>i don't use iether
04:44<jm_>debam: heh interesting, no such setting here
04:45<dr|z3d>Nope. Don't see that here, either.
04:45<dr|z3d>Might be a key you need to manually add..
04:45<ml|>i see here
04:46<ml|>but as long as i don't mess with it in file menu everything is fine
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04:47<ml|>and i did not add it
04:48<jm_>I also noticed some settings people mentioned elsewhere that I can't see
04:48<ml|>might be because in the past have click on it by accident and that adds it to about:config
04:48<dr|z3d>Could be a customized option for the release you're using; I'm using Minefield from Mozilla.
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04:48<teddy>need help
04:48<ml|>iceweasel here from debian ;)
04:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
04:49<jm_>ok need to check if queue at hairdresser is empty :)
04:49<teddy>about to find a irc channel for "SYSLOG"
04:49<debam>dr|z3d, i too using minefield 3.0.5
04:49<ml|>jm_: hah gl
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04:50<debam>as well i have problem of projector detection on my NC10 laptop
04:50<dr|z3d>debam: 3.0.5 ??!
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04:50<debam>dr|z3d, version
04:51<debam>xrandr not shows projector in my laptop
04:51<teddy>i am new in irc chat ...and i need help to find a channel for "SYSLOG"
04:51<dr|z3d>debam: Sure, I understood that. Your Minefield is _very_ old in that case. 3.6a1pre is current.
04:51<locklace>teddy: a channel for syslog. sounds like the most boring channel ever
04:51<ml|>dr|z3d: maybe try clicking on that on file menu [offline] and close iceweasel, then start it again and to see if you see that setting in about:config now
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04:52<debam>dr|z3d, yes correct but like to solve this problem.
04:52<locklace>teddy: but feel free to create it. /join #syslog. i'm sure many will be thrilled to join the party.
04:52<dr|z3d>The whole point of Minefield is nightly updates. If you're not inclined to do that, you should stick to an official beta.
04:53<teddy>loklace:okey thanks for the help i am going to trying..........
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04:53<ml|>dr|z3d: how does Minefield work for you
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04:54<debam>dr|z3d, jm_ can you tell why in laptop projector is not getting detected?
04:54<debam>xrandr not shows projector in my laptop
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04:54<dr|z3d>debam: Did you boot with the projector connected?
04:55<debam>dr|z3d, yes taht also i tried but not detected
04:56<dr|z3d>Sounds like you may need to manually edit xorg.conf
04:56<jm_>debam: not really, check if xorg log has some info, perhaps there are also driver options to play with
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04:56<jm_>teddy: are you using debian?
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04:57<debam>jm_ which driver option do you mean in xorg?
04:58<jm_>debam: which driver are you using?
04:59<debam>jm_ vesa
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04:59<jm_>debam: uhh I don't think that will be able to do what you want
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05:05<inglor>Anyone have problem with latest libc6-i386 and wine installation on sid ?
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05:06<ant__>is debian the best?
05:06<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
05:06<OdyX>ant__: OF COURSE !
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05:07<dr|z3d>ant_: What are your requirements, what's your usage?
05:07<erKURITA>ant_ of course it is 8D!
05:07<ant__>ok :) and if i have a server running etch, do i have big advantages using the new lenny?
05:07<erKURITA>you get to use newer, more up-to-date software
05:08<erKURITA>which improves functionality and stability
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05:08<OdyX>and which won't get out of security support in 8 months.
05:08<ant__>but if i have all functionality i need? is the new lenny better for security reasons if i have newer versions of software? ah ok thx
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05:09<ant__>so then i have 8 months time to change :)
05:09<OdyX>ant__: security reasons is enough to decide to change.
05:09<OdyX>ant__: depends on your environement, but 8 months can be tight...
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05:09<erKURITA>and oldstable bugs have less priority than stable, as far as I know
05:09<OdyX>ant__: I'd say you HAVE to move, the "when" is up to you
05:10<OdyX>erKURITA: not that I know of...
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05:10<ant__>yes of course :) luckilly there is not much running on that server, should be easy to move :) oke, then my decision is clear, i'll move :) thx for advice :)
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05:12<dr|z3d>ant_: And also, what's your experience with Linux, and your level of Linux knowledge?
05:12<dr|z3d>If you're a complete Linux newb, chances are there are better distros out there for you.
05:12<dr|z3d>I hear good things about LinuxMint of late; built on Ubuntu, which is itself derived from Debian.
05:14<ant__>no no, i'll stick with debian, knowledge should be sufficient, started with sarge some 5 years ago...
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05:15<bigtwix>ya i like debian 2 ant_
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05:16<dr|z3d>ant_: If you've been on Debian for 5 years, do you _really_ need to ask if Debian is best. Stick to what you obviously know, or try some live CDs.
05:16<bigtwix>just swapped out my server from a dual PIII 933mhz to a dual core 1.8ghz, both servers are rack mounts running debian
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05:17<ant__>yes i like it :) that was the reason why i asked about dist-upgrades... cause my etch was running fine all the time... i just asked "is it best" to see what you think...
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05:19<bigtwix>well im running lenny
05:19<bigtwix>and i always update
05:19<ant__>are there big changes?
05:19<ant__>i'm usually afraid of full dist-upgrades...
05:19<ant__>thats why i asked...
05:19<bigtwix>ya i can understand that
05:20<bigtwix>i mean if what u got works and suits ur needs
05:20<bigtwix>stick with it
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05:21<inglor>dist-upgrade may result in removing programs that dont have required packages yet
05:21<bigtwix>i mean with lenny u can get new packages
05:22<bigtwix>ya thats true to anuj
05:22<themill>ant__: you've probably got until February next year for support for etch -- that gives you another 6 months to plan your migration.
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05:22<inglor>My latest dist-upgrade resulted in removing skype + wine
05:23<svein>Hi, im trying to install newest lenny but it fails to detect my network card
05:23<themill>inglor: you're running sid though... that's a very different kettle of fish
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05:23<ant__>yes i'd rather stick with my installed system, but for security reasons you told me to switch to lenny, so i do... :) okay, thats go so i can play around with lenny on a machine that isn't used as a server :)
05:23<svein>00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02)
05:23<svein>thats the card
05:23<inglor>true, and thanks for the answer yesterday, was sleeping
05:23*themill wishes that lspci gave the pciid by default
05:23<bigtwix>ya, put lenny on a vmware
05:23<bigtwix>and see what u think
05:24<svein>have tryed to load it to a USB but it didnt work
05:24<themill>svein: what's the pci-id (output of "lspci -nn" for that card)
05:24<inglor>themill: make an alias :P
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05:25<themill>inglor: it's not for me though -- I know to type -nn... the average person who stumbles into #d doesn't, however
05:25<ant__>bigtwix: yes thx :)
05:25<inglor>true I didn't know it ;)
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05:25<inglor>as for the libc6-383
05:25<svein>themill: [8086:10de]
05:26<themill>judd pciid 8086:10de
05:26<judd>themill: [8086:10de] is '82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also
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05:26<dpkg>For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see
05:26<inglor>libc6-i386_2.9-16_amd64.deb my version
05:27<themill>svein: ^^ the lenny installer won't work for you but a newer kernel will; either try the kmuto installer that dpkg just mentioned or just do the base install and then try a newer kernel from afterwards
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05:27<svein>okey thanks!
05:28<themill>!btssmite inglor
05:28*dpkg beats inglor around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if inglor is running testing or unstable
05:28<themill>!dbugs 533503
05:28<dpkg>#533503:G[libc6-i386] libc6-i386 must use Breaks instead of Conflicts (); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:24:01 UTC []
05:28<themill>inglor: ^^ Welcome to Sid. Have A Nice Day.
05:29<inglor>I think that's your moto :P
05:29<ant__>what is advantage of sid? newest of the newest packages or what?
05:29<inglor>and yeah I read the bug (but not sure I know if this will help installing wine + skype back )
05:30<jm_>ant__: constant fun reading changelogs
05:30<inglor>asvantage of sid: Always have a busy day :P
05:30<ant__>ok :D
05:30<inglor>when you are bored, just try update :P
05:30<themill>ant__: imo, there are few. You get a system that's often broken and have to dig your way out of trouble. And you get to do this on your own because you should have enough l33t skillz to do it on your own if you're running sid. (i.e. #debian tends not to give much support to sid users)
05:32<ant__>so you only use it to work towards a next stable release? or does it have any other purpose?
05:32<inglor>lies you get much support: for example I learned today that someone else had the same problem as me and already listed as bug ^^
05:32<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
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05:33<dpkg>rumour has it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>.
05:33<themill>inglor: it's a bug in the packaging. Unless you want to recompile libc (which is slightly less fun than it sounds) all you can do is wait. Or try downgrading libc... it might work.
05:33<ant__>ok thx for info :)
05:33<themill>inglor: You might like to pay more attention to what aptitude is doing in a dist-upgrade next time and either use "forbid-version" or place a temporary hold on packages that are going to cause things to be removed
05:34<jm_>or maybe even use apt-listbugs
05:34<mhymn>or ubuntu
05:34<inglor>yeah I think I will search for downgrading the lib. and yeah now I will pay more attention :P Thanks for the tip ;)
05:34<inglor>It's fun to have sid!
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05:35<themill>jm_: that bug wasn't reported yesterday so apt-listbugs wouldn't have helped in this particular case
05:36<inglor>I was stupid enough to press Smart-update :P
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05:37<jm_>themill: as a general advice + I had no idea this happened yesterday
05:38<themill>yeah, thought so... and it's excellent general advice. (so is using aptitude not synaptic....)
05:38<ml|>like themill said it's best to take the time to read what aptitude is telling you, and use aptitude no fancy upgrade thing
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05:40<inglor>I solemnly agree (now)
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05:41<ml|>inglor: /msg dpkg aptitude and/or why aptitude for more info if you like
05:41<jm_>I use sid at home, but every week I say won't upgrade now because of foo - another foo available now ;)
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05:41<radostevme>Кто есть русский?
05:41<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
05:42<radostevme>проблема с testing version
05:42<jm_>radostevme: use english here
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05:42<jm_>interesting how they use 'testing' and 'version' in russian :)
05:42<Nazcafan>hello I experienced a random xorg crash, which package sould I report the bug again?
05:42<jm_>Nazcafan: define crash
05:43<inglor>I think I read somewhere aptitude > apt-get (and everything else) because it can handle better the dependancies
05:43<Nazcafan>jm_, I was reading a document in gvim and suddendly the screen went black
05:43<jm_>Nazcafan: did you check xorg log?
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05:43<Nazcafan>there is a big error
05:43<jm_>maybe you're a slow reader and screensaver kicked in? :)
05:44<radostevme>Confronted here with a problem so let's say that I was not able to understand from the developers of Debian. The situation here is: I downloaded the image and netinst businesscard, download that from the first that with the second problem in establishing a SWAP partition, the error is expressed in the symbolism of "?????" with a question mark in a blue circle. Outcome following: Downloading the images I have at least one day, and the result is the sa
05:44<radostevme>me, at work trying to 5-and pnyah machines. Earlier this problem was not, I could not imagine what could happen.
05:44<radostevme>Situation two: I downloaded the DVD testing first drive, run and stops at the stage of "Determination of the disc, the driver requests the HDD Seagate 200Gb SATA. In previous images had not been such a problem that in the last transformed images - I can not understand. In the end, what is the point to produce images of testing every day and every week, even if initially Installer disorder??
05:44<Nazcafan>jm_, I wish you were righc
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05:44<radostevme>Who face such? Who has to deal with such problems?
05:44<jm_>radostevme: you're better off using stable installation images and then upgrade to testing if you feel the need
05:45<Nazcafan>jm_, interested in the log?
05:45<jm_>the point is that people who have enough skills to debug problems can use them
05:45<jm_>Nazcafan: sure, put it on some pastebin
05:45<radostevme>So before it was all good, but now why is that so?
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05:46<jm_>before what?
05:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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05:48<Nazcafan>then the Xorg server couldn't restart
05:48<radostevme>Until April, it was all good with images netinst but now do not get to determine what happened?
05:48<Nazcafan>the only thing I could do was reboot
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05:49<radostevme>and put a stable version and then upgrade to the testing as it is not convenient
05:49<Nazcafan>radostevme, testing is getting quite buggy, for now, and just wait that the new xorg is accepted in testing, you'll be crying your tears, but then, that's the game, write bug reports instead of whining
05:49<inglor> /msg dpkg aptitude
05:50<jm_>Nazcafan: probably submit this against intel xorg driver, but the version in stable is really old (2.3 vs 2.7)
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05:50<jm_>radostevme: if such things don't happen there would be no progress, no new versions - use stable if you can't deal with it
05:51<radostevme>Your advice to me then what will?
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05:53<radostevme>Where can I find a complete list of the most pressing source of updated repository?
05:53<peterS>what does "most pressing" mean?
05:54<radostevme>I beg your pardon, I am a translator with you communicate
05:54<locklace>i love irc dialogues mediated by google translate
05:55<radostevme>yes? google
05:55<inglor>radostevme: try this
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05:56<jm_>the newest release? it's daily images
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05:58<radostevme>Every day produces an image and no change
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06:00<jm_>sure, it doesn't mean there are changes made each day in the installer - d-i prints useful info on tty3 and onwards which can help you debug the issue
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06:02<ml|>i wonder what release most people here use
06:03<locklace>afaict the testing installer images have been borked for a long time. the only sane thing to do is install lenny and upgrade
06:03<ml|>*use here
06:05<pawel>How to reinstall Linux kernel?
06:05<locklace>pawel always asks the best questions
06:05<jm_>pawel: do you know how to reinstall other packages?
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06:06<pawel>jm_: 'apt-get purge package;apt-get install package'?
06:06<suspectx>:) funny, thought I've already read all the weird questions here in user helldesk.. :)
06:07<jm_>pawel: aptitude has reinstall command
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06:07<locklace>suspectx: yesterday it was "how to do something if var is not 0"
06:08<jm_>pawel: you can do the same with kernel, but question is why
06:09<suspectx>locklace: here it's more like "I just recovery my machine because vista sidebar didn't show anything anymore" and of course the cx borked his machine ;)
06:09<ml|>locklace: but you like them ;
06:10<ml|>suspectx: where you get that from?
06:10<locklace>ml|: in the same way people like train wrecks
06:10<suspectx>ml| i work for toshiba complaint managment in germany
06:11<igsen>Any known workaround for "UNSUPPORTED PLATFORM" dialogue box everytime I clicked on network???
06:11<ml|>suspectx: oh so you a lot of those huh?
06:11<suspectx>ml| only those which got bounced from hotline, there are a few which refuse to listen, we handle those cx /carefully/
06:11<pawel>jm_: because my computer hung up during instalation, and I had to turn it off by putting off the power plug.
06:12<petemc>igsen: click on what, where?
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06:12<jm_>pawel: why do you think reinstalling the kernel will help?
06:12<ml|>suspectx: ah fun fun ;)
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06:13<pawel>jm_: because my computer shows kernel error and halts
06:13<pawel>during startup
06:13<suspectx>ml| indeed ;) at least you got some funny stuff to see every day, all the broken lcds, /flooded/ pcbs and cracked ethernet connectors ;) we could run our own "most destructive cx"-wiki :D
06:14<svein>program to make image of cd in linux?
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06:14<locklace>svein: dd
06:14<petemc>igsen: presumably you're talking about gnome, try clicking ok...
06:14<SlimeyPete>svein: k3b
06:15<SlimeyPete>(for ISO files)
06:15<Torsten_W>svein, cat
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06:16<svein>can you make image of an cd with k3b?
06:16<svein>cant see that option there
06:17<jm_>pawel: what error?
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06:17<pawel>I'll turn it on and be back for 2 minutes
06:18<SlimeyPete>svein: Tools -> Copy CDE
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06:20<igsen>petemc, Oh yes I can do that up to Debian GNU/Linux>>Lenny with no noticeable disruptions (I think).
06:21<igsen>petemc, I searched for this in Google and says that its a bug.
06:21<svein>SlimeyPete: ooh thanks!^^
06:21<petemc>igsen: i dont use gnome, im of no help to you
06:22<igsen>petemc, thanks for responding. And what do you use?
06:22<petemc>a mac..
06:22<petemc>(i use debian on my servers)
06:23<themill>!pal petemc
06:23*dpkg points at petemc and laughs uproariously
06:23<Nazcafan>jm_, this one looks like my problem:
06:23<petemc>to make it worse, i use a NT4 desktop in work...
06:23<petemc>rock solid it is
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06:24<jm_>Nazcafan: doesn't look the same to me
06:24<Nazcafan>ah ?
06:25<jm_>eww nt4, I pity you, I had to use that for 3 months when I started working
06:25<jm_>Nazcafan: I don't see the same "ring" messages
06:25<Nazcafan>in his xorg.0.log ?
06:25<igsen>petemc, ok.
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06:27<Nazcafan>jm_, I can't see any fatal error either, so I think he provided a xorg.0.log from after the reboot, which is sane
06:27<pawel>I think it has fixed itself. Now there are fatal errors, but system starts. I think it's because I started terminal from netinstall cd few hours ago.
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06:27<jm_>Nazcafan: the wisest thing would be to use newer intel driver, but that's a bitch since it needs new xorg
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06:28<Nazcafan>jm_, I tried it but had a lot of trouble with it
06:28<jm_>Nazcafan: hmm it's quite stable for my bro with g41 chipset
06:29<Nazcafan>what is g41 ?
06:29<jm_>g41 intel chipset
06:29<Nazcafan>jm_, new xorg completely messed up my touchpad config
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06:29<Nazcafan>plus open arena was totally slow
06:29<Nazcafan>I had to revert
06:30<Nazcafan>(a month ago)
06:30<Nazcafan>anyway, those random crashes are very seldom
06:30<jm_>Nazcafan: hmm google earth is much better with latest driver
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06:31<Nazcafan>jm_, what hardware do you use ?
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06:33<jm_>Nazcafan: the one I am talking about is Pentium E5200 CPU, 2G RAM and G41 chipset - my box is E8200 CPU, 4G RAM,Nvidia 8800GT card and P35 chipset
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06:34<Nazcafan>I use a 945 chipset
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07:00<lantizia>Lo, I just followed the debian wiki on installing nvidia drivers. And I have nvidia-glx installed and loaded in "Modules" inside xorg.conf but for some reason glxinfo reports they arn't loaded
07:02<jm_>lantizia: are you also loading nvidia driver?
07:02<jm_>what does xdpyinfo say?
07:02<lantizia>xorg log file just says its failed to initialize check the X log file that GLX has been loaded - well I'm in the log file :S
07:03<jm_>paste your logfile on some pastebin
07:03<lantizia>ok one sec
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07:04<lantizia>"(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//"
07:04<jm_>well that alone won't help much
07:04<lantizia>but it's installed!
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07:05<lantizia>is it the double forward slash?
07:05<jm_>no I have that too, please put entire log on pastebin
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07:09<lantizia>that 2nd one is for your xdpyinfo command
07:09<ml|>is file-rc worth using over defualt
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07:13<lantizia>any thoughts jm_ ?
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07:14<lantizia>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//
07:14<lantizia>dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions// undefined symbol: _nv000133gl"
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07:14<lantizia>hmm why did it new line that :S
07:15<jm_>yes that undefined symbol is your problem
07:15<lantizia>but I've reinstalled nvidia-glx and it doesn't fix it
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07:38<hajoucha>hi... how do I test network speed between two linux machines? Is there any package for that?
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07:38<jm_>hajoucha: yes
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07:39<hajoucha>jm_: which one?
07:39<jm_>hajoucha: netperf is one
07:39<hajoucha>jm_: thanks.
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08:01<ml|>is file-rc worth using over default?
08:03<locklace>if you like that sort of thing
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08:48<shiznatix>Hello. I installed a program then uninstalled it via apt-get remove PROGRAM but I ment to do "apt-get remove --pruge PROGRAM" so now all the config everything is still lingering around but I want it all gone. How can I get rid of all those config everything now?
08:48<dpkg>rumour has it, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files.
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08:53<stuckey_>Hello. Is it possible to extend a physical partition which contains a logical volume to take up the entire hard disk?
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08:56<client>what is the kde channel?
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08:59<hajoucha>if I want to build my custom kernel with exactly the same config, as is in the distribution package - how do I do it? So far I downloaded linux-source package and kernel-package package
09:00<hajoucha>linux-source pulls in .tar.bz2 file which I have unpacked (in /usr/src/).
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09:01<hajoucha>I guess I should find .config for a "now used kernel" and put it in /usr/src/linux (which is a link to the source dir)
09:01<jm_>hajoucha: cp -i /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config
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09:01<dli__>hajoucha, I also enable /proc/config.gz
09:01<jm_>indeed, Debian should just enable that
09:01<hajoucha>dli__: how?
09:02<jm_>in kernel config
09:02<hajoucha>.. oh, I see :)
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09:02<dli__>hajoucha, cp the config file to /usr/src/linux/.config, make oldconfig, make menuconfig
09:02<hajoucha>now acording to FAQ it should be enough to simply issue this command: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
09:03<hajoucha>dli__: make-kpkg should do it....
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09:03<hajoucha>there is only minor thing - I would like to measure the time (perhaps with "time" command) and possibly use all 4 cores on that machine....
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09:04<hajoucha>does make-kpkg take advantage of more cores?
09:04<amphi_>hajoucha: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=whatever time make-kpkg blah
09:05<jm_>it can if you tell it to
09:05<hajoucha>Amorphous: "whatever" is integer?
09:05<hajoucha>jm_: how?
09:05<jm_>hajoucha: see above
09:05<hajoucha>jm_: ok :)
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09:05<dli__>hajoucha, I heard CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=6 for intel core i7
09:05<amphi_>hajoucha: yes
09:05<jm_>yeah probably 6 for you
09:06<stuckey>Is it possible to extend a logical volume that is on an extended partition to take up the entire hard drive?
09:06<jm_>let us know about the time elapsed
09:06<dli__>hajoucha, and build kernel source on tmpfs (mount -t tmpfs none /usr/src )
09:06<dli__>hajoucha, just some freaking way to speed up building
09:06<hajoucha>ok, so I fired that command :)
09:07<hajoucha>dli__: oh, too late...
09:07<dli__>hajoucha, never mind :)
09:07<hajoucha>dli__: but there might be another oportunity later on, depending on the results of this build :)))
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09:08<dli__>hajoucha, nowadays, hdd is usually the bottleneck
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09:08<dli__>hajoucha, but probably most people don't care about 5 minutes, or 1.5 minutes
09:09<hajoucha>dli__: oh, I see. This one is a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
09:09<hajoucha> with 8GB RAM. Shoudl be rather quick.
09:10<dli__>hajoucha, i7 has hyperthreading support :)
09:10<hajoucha>dli__: yes. this is my case too. I put time just out of curiosity.
09:10<amphi_>you might need more than 6 to keep it cpu bound
09:11<hajoucha>yes.. according to top, the cpus are not busy too much.
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09:12<amphi_>hajoucha: I need 6 here, on a c2d laptop
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09:12<dli__>hajoucha, if hdd is the bottleneck, you never get cpu overloaded, unless on tmpfs or building for the second time
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09:13<hajoucha>interesting... when looking on "top" , in the main area I see only one or two processes, which occasionally reach 20% cpu. But if I look at the top section of the output and pres "1" to see all 4 cores - than all of them are at about 90%.
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09:14<hajoucha>dli__: it seems you are right about the hdd.
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09:16<dli__>hajoucha, after it's done, make-kpkg clean;time make-kpkg kernel-image
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09:17<dli__>hajoucha, second round would be interesting
09:17<hajoucha>and here we go: 1906.51user 277.28system 10:19.12elapsed 352%CPU
09:18<hajoucha>sorry for the formating, but this is how the time spit it to the terminal.
09:18<amphi_>352% isn't bad
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09:18<jm_>all those options enabled :)
09:19<hajoucha>dli__: I would not mind second round, but should I use that tmpfs or just fire the commands above?
09:19<dli__>hajoucha, try the second round :)
09:20<dli__>hajoucha, you may compare it with tmpfs also
09:21<hajoucha>dli__: ok, I just started it :)
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09:22<amphi>hajoucha: still not finished? ;)
09:23<locklace>!kernel song
09:23<dpkg>[kernel-song] "compiling a kernel and it's taking so long - what am i do do? - i can take a snooze or eat some shnooze - or sit here like a fool - watching the kernel compile's {fun,cool,sweet} - i just can't get enough of it - my back starts to ache so i better do some yoga - but i'm watching the kernel compile so i can't - i've some stuff to do, i'm procrastinating - but i'm watching the kernel compile so i can't"
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09:28<hajoucha>amphi: no, not yet.
09:29<hajoucha>dpkg: :))) nice little song.
09:29<dpkg>wish i knew, hajoucha
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09:31<hajoucha>dli__: looks like second time it only uses 1 cpu.
09:31<hajoucha>so it is going to take a bit longer time.... :)
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09:34<dli__>hajoucha, CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=6?
09:34<dli__>hajoucha, CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=6 make-kpkg kernel-image
09:35<hajoucha>dli__: not this time... or, do you mean I shoud ctrl-c now and try again?
09:35<hajoucha>dli__: ie. now I did only make-kpkg clean;time make-kpkg kernel-image. (without CONCURENCY...)
09:36<dli__>hajoucha, of course :)
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09:37<dli__>hajoucha, export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=6
09:37<dli__>hajoucha, :)
09:37<dli__>maybe, do tmpfs directly
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09:38<bremner>is there a sensible way to have ssh clean up dead multiplexing sockets? (.ssh/master-host-port-user) when the corresponding connection is dead?
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09:39<hajoucha>:) I am a bit confused... I stopped the compilation and run exprot CONC...and again make-kpkg clean; time...
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09:40<hajoucha>so I guess I should not have use make-kpkg clean (otherwise what is the purpose of running it again?)
09:40<hajoucha>dli__: how do I use tmpfs?
09:40<dli__>hajoucha, timing :)
09:40<dli__>hajoucha, yes, like: mkdir -p /mnt/tmpfs; mount -t tmpfs none /mnt/tmpfs;
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09:41<OdyX>hajoucha: man 8 mount /tmpfs ?
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09:41<dli__>hajoucha, cp -a /usr/src/* /mnt/tmpfs/, and build kernel there
09:42<edoreld>I'm looking for a lightweight (20 MB tops) package to be able to add printers, can anyone suggest something?
09:42<hajoucha>dinomite_: are there any gotchas with the different building dir?
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09:43<hajoucha>dli__: : are there any gotchas with the different building dir?
09:43<hajoucha>dinomite_: sorry, wrong person.
09:43<dli__>hajoucha, maybe, just mv away /usr/src
09:44<hajoucha>dli__: ok, will try that.
09:44<dli__>hajoucha, mv /usr/src /usr/src.bak, mkdir -p /usr/src;mount -t tmpfs none /usr/src/;cp -a /usr/src.bak/* /usr/src/
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09:49<hajoucha>ok, second run (without tmpfs) real 10m13.703s
09:49<hajoucha>user 31m51.495s
09:49<hajoucha>sys 4m35.837s
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09:49<hajoucha>now I am going to try with tmpfs.
09:50<dli>hajoucha, without CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=6, again?
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09:50<hajoucha>dli: no, this was with =6 again.
09:50<dli>hajoucha, 10minutes? that's still a lot
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09:51<hajoucha>dli: will see in tmpfs
09:51<ml|>edoreld: cups i believe around 12mb
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09:51<edoreld>around 120mb im afraid for my installation
09:52<ml|>ah, alot of dependencies
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09:52<hajoucha>dli: make-kpkg clean ?
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09:53<dli>hajoucha, yes
09:54<hajoucha>dli: ok, fired... now we will see...
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09:55<edoreld>mll: afraid so :/
09:55<ml|>edoreld: here it's only 17.4mb cups cups-client cups-common
09:56<enouf>edoreld: install without all the Recommends?
09:57<enouf>i think aptitude -R does that .. i have it setup as default in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/somewhere
09:57<edoreld>I think it does it by default :/
09:57<edoreld>at least apt-get install does
09:57<edoreld>(not installing recommended packages)
09:58<enouf>~$ rgrep Recommends /etc/apt/apt*
09:58<enouf>/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends:APT::Install-Recommends "false";
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09:58<enouf>both install Recommends as default, IINM
09:58<enouf>since Lenny?
09:58<mhymn>enouf: there's always an easier way
09:58<edoreld>enouf: i was thinking of ubuntu... ^^
09:59<enouf>edoreld: why? :-p
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09:59<ml|>edoreld: can also install it with aptitude in ncurses and see what it recommends a deselect all of it
09:59<enouf>you should see a doctor about that O_o
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09:59<edoreld>I'm using ubuntu & debian all the time, sometimes things get confusing ^_^
09:59<edoreld>ml|: I'll check that out thx ;)
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10:00<mhymn>enouf: i just run aptitude itself, ctrl-t, options, preferences
10:00<mhymn>there's a option for that there
10:00*enouf uses apt-get
10:00<ml|>yeah i mainly use it that way too mhymn
10:00<enouf>aptitude's ncurses interface is stupid
10:01<ml|>!lart enouf
10:01*dpkg whacks enouf with the cluebat
10:01<enouf>but .. so are many other interfaces and tools
10:02<ml|>i find it useful for the info it provides
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10:02<johnfg>hi folks
10:02<ml|>but whatever works for ya ;)
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10:06<johnfg>I see that the mysql config file is in a normal place, /etc/mysql/my.cnf. I'm going to create and restore 8 dbs, including mysql with passwords. Where does debian store the mysql password, or how can I change it? I remember in a version before lenny, that I had a conflict with mysqld starting because of a password issue.
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10:08<hajoucha>dli: here we go with tmpfs:
10:08<hajoucha>real 10m9.633s
10:08<hajoucha>user 31m48.723s
10:08<hajoucha>sys 4m30.321s
10:08<hajoucha>which is the same as above more or less.
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10:08<ml|>not much faster
10:09<dli>hajoucha, too bad
10:09<hajoucha>that means it is cpu bound after all....
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10:09<dli>hajoucha, why 10 minutes, as I said, it's more than I expected
10:10<hajoucha>dli: I have no Idea. The machine is not under any load... no services nothing.
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10:11<dli>hajoucha, oh, you build all modules? as the default debian kernel?
10:12<hajoucha>dli: very possibly
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10:12<hajoucha>dli: I wanted to rebuild the default kernel
10:12<johnfg>OK, I found the file, /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, and it has 2 passwords. I wonder, after I restore mysql.sql, how to change the passwords in debian.cnf?
10:12<dli>hajoucha, then, I don't know about that part. on my dual core core2, it takes like 5 minutes
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10:13<hajoucha>dli: ok, anyway, thanks for sharing that tmpfs trick.
10:14<ml|>!wb bja
10:14<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! bja has returned!
10:14<bja>ml|: :)
10:16<bja>johnfg: the pwd you are talking about is the one that mysql user uses to shutdown the server and all that stuff
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10:17<bja>johnfg: and if you want to change it, just do it as in a normal mysql user, but don't forget to write it down there so your server keeps operating normaly
10:18<johnfg>Will mysql create the encrypted form itself if I just write the unencrypted form in debian.cnf?
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10:21<bja>akaik you putted the plain text pwd on that file I really don't know if that changed recently
10:21<hajoucha>how do I find the reason for: rmmod 3w_9xxx
10:21<hajoucha>ERROR: Module 3w_9xxx is in use
10:21<hajoucha>that is .. who/what is using it?
10:21<edoreld>How can I remove blank lines from a text file like I show in ?
10:22<locklace>hajoucha: lsmod will tell you
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10:22<edoreld>nevermind found out
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10:23<hajoucha>ah.. I see,
10:23<dli>edoreld, sed -i ‘/^[ \t]*$/d’ foo
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10:24<hajoucha>hmm, scsi_mod is using it.
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10:24<edoreld>thanks dli ;)
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10:37<bja>johnfg: installed mysql on lenny first line of debian.cnf "# Automatically generated for Debian scripts. DO NOT TOUCH!"
10:38<hajoucha>if I see a module ( 3w_9xxx) in lsmod, does it mean that it is a _module_ ? Ie. that it is _not_ compiled into the kernel?
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10:47<amphi>hajoucha: yes
10:47<amphi>hajoucha: modinfo 3w_9xxx would tell you something about it
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10:48<Lenhix>Hello. Does anyone know a console-based program for splitting files that works? I'm running 'hoz -c 32M file.tar' (as stated in the manual) but it creates 4KB files instead of 32MB files
10:49<amphi>split(1) ?
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10:53<Lenhix>ok amphi, but how would I merge the pieces later?
10:54<bremner>Lenhix: cat
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10:54<amphi>cat part1 part2 part3 > whole_file
10:54<bremner>yes, some things really haven't changed since 1972 :-)
10:54<petemc>if it aint broke..
10:54<bja>don't fix it?
10:55<amphi>bremner: heheh
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10:58<Lenhix>So, if I have too many piecies it'd be cat * > whole_file
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10:58<petemc>too many pieces for what?
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10:59<Lenhix>For writing them with the keyboard?
10:59<bremner>Lenhix: careful of the sorting order of the names
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10:59<bremner>do "echo *" to check
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11:01<Lenhix>-d -a 3 solved that
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11:02<Lenhix>As long as the whole files doesn't use more than 1000 pieces
11:02<Lenhix>And that's solved with -b :)
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11:06<Lenhix>Thx amphi, bremner
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11:07<amphi>locklace: welcome
11:08<gnufan2>Is gnome-web-photo packaged for Debian anywhere? Failing that seems to use pkg-config, and is complaining about not find dependencies at least one of which (libpng) is definitely there, so I presume I need to drop configure some hints.
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11:09<gnufan2>I'm open to other good tools for creating web site thumbnail images which we can run locally.
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11:12<gnufan2>cahoot: Imagemagick has an HTML render now? I guess I want a website snapshot, I can shrink it easily enough.
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11:13<gnufan2>cahoot: everything I've looked at runs a browser, or pseudo browser, to render web pages.
11:14<cahoot>gnufan2: sorry I misinterpreted your question
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11:15<gnufan2>cahoot: it was vague.... khtml2png nearly does the job.... is packaged ... but I've hit issues rendering via xvfb and we are choosy and prefer gecko if we can.
11:15<petemc>gnufan2: libpng is available in debian
11:16<Cadmium01>I have a debian on my laptop and it's using entire hard drive. Is there a way to free up some space to dualboot other OS on it?
11:17<petemc>Cadmium01: parted can resize partitions, obviously theres a danger of data loss when doing such an operation
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11:17<gnufan2>petemc: I know -- which is why I'm here wondering why I can't compile code these days (once upon a time it was all so much simpler). I think it just needs the dev versions for this.
11:17<petemc>thats standard, yes
11:17<Cadmium01>petemc, is there something I can do to be sre no data will be lost?
11:17<petemc>back the data up
11:18<Cadmium01>petemc, so parted will not ensure that data is not toched?
11:19<petemc>it can resize some file systems dynamically
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11:19<petemc>with, as i said, the obvious risks implied with such a thing..
11:20<Cadmium01>petemc, I have /dev/sda1 ext3 and /dev/sda2 (extended) and /dev/sda5 linux-swap would this work?
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11:20<gnufan2>I don't even want to wonder why libgtk2 dev depends on libmail-sendmail-perl
11:21<bja>Cadmium01: Comment beyond your solution, backup before you begin to mess with partition sizes, just to be on the safe side. :)
11:22<Cadmium01>bja is it possible to backp entire hd?
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11:23<Cadmium01>bja, it's a netbook with usb
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11:29<SQlvpapir>can anyone elaborate on this?
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11:48<s2nt0>can som1 could tell me, is there any different between /etc/init.d/functions and /lib/lsb/init-functions (the same file?)
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11:51<Gathond>I only have the latter one, but check if any of them is a symlink to the other
11:51<petemc>same here
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11:53<ml|>same also
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12:14<lantizia>Hey can anyone help me interpret this bug?
12:14<lantizia>Basically I think it's saying either a line needs to be added to the python source or removed... not sure! :) what do you make of it?
12:15<lantizia>been using these commands to recompile the package with the fix...
12:15<lantizia>but I'm new to recompiling so I'm not sure if its having an effect
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12:19<gnufan2>Built gnome-web-photo from source and get
12:19<gnufan2>Failed to initialise gecko (rv = 80004005)!
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12:21<gnufan2>Seems the Ubuntu folk have been here before me, the suggestion there is try xulrunner-gnome-support - which is already installed.
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12:35<acithium>hello, i'm having a problem with debian and i need some help
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12:37<arw>acithium: please describe your problem
12:37<acithium>i'm trying to install the broadcom drivers to get my wireless working and i'm getting an error
12:37<acithium>i'll post it
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12:39<acithium>okay i'm following the directions on this site.
12:39<acithium>and i get this acithium-laptop:/home/acithium/Downloads/hybrid_wl# make -C /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build M='pwd'
12:39<acithium>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
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12:39<cahoot>acithium: what kind of bcm device?
12:40<cahoot>b43 is already in kernel
12:40<acithium>i can't see any wireless networks
12:40<cahoot>acithium: got firmware installed?
12:40<cahoot>acithium: b43-fwcutter IIRC
12:41<acithium>no i don't
12:41<acithium>i tried to apt-get install b43-fwcutter, but it couldn't find it
12:41<gsimmons>dpkg: b43-fwcutter
12:41<dpkg>well, b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 3 and 4 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers. Available as a <contrib> package for etch, lenny and squeeze. See for more details. Not to be confused with <bcm43xx-fwcutter>.
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12:47<robson>de olivera
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12:48<acithium>alright, it's downloading now.
12:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:49<acithium>is it required to use the wpa-supplicant if you have a wpa encrypted wifi
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12:50<bremner>acithium: AFAIK, yes, oir some other tool which calls wpa-supplicant like wicd or network-manager
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12:52<acithium>which is better wicd or network manager
12:52<bremner>acithium: personal taste
12:54<bremner>acithium: I think wicd got better and (IMHO) network-manager got worse after lenny. In the lenny release, I don't know
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13:07<bremner>or don't let your cat sit on the keyboard
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13:08<EvanCarroll>Any ideas on why i'd be getting that when i try to subscribe to a bug?
13:09<EvanCarroll>Is debian's mailserver at down?
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13:10<azeem>EvanCarroll: you can't subscribe to archived bugs
13:10<weasel>does that bounce actually contain anything even remotely useful?
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13:11<weasel>ah. to the very very very right
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13:17<gusnan>Could anyone give any tips on some mailinglist that discusses free software licensing? I have a question about combining licenses.
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13:18<bja>rafa: /part, /quit /disconnect
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13:19<weasel>.oO( /kill also works )
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13:25<Ancho>aber igrendwie auch doch nicht...
13:25<Ancho>whop...wrong window
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13:29<Guest1231>Hi all .. I did deboostrap sid ..How can create/genisoimage cd iso/image ?
13:29<stuckey>Is it possible to extend a logical volume on an extended partition so that it takes up the entire hard disk?
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13:30<bja>stuckey: you can allways backtrack your way out :)
13:30<stuckey>bja: huh?
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13:37<stuckey>bja: I didn't understand what you said.
13:38<mhymn>gusnan: there once was #gnu or probably #fsf channel on Freenode which might be helpful, dunno about OFTC though
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13:39<bja>stuckey: Two days ago, people here told you how to shrink your lvm on your disk, guess, those steps done backwards will take you out of your trouble
13:39<gusnan>mhymn, thanks!
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13:42<stuckey>bja: So you're saying it's possible to enlarge the LV, to eat up more space on the disk, but it's not possible to shrink the LV to create free-space on the disk. Why is this?
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13:44<luyddi>q e vc
13:45<bja>stuckey: I'm busy right now, guess you'll have to figure for your self that one :)
13:45<jora>Hi everyone . I have a small problem in Ubuntu , my external hdd is not recognized. Could somebody help me with that ?
13:45<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:46<bja>dpkg: tell luyddi about br
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14:02<twiadpaws>how can i reset default permissions to the whole file system?
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14:02<cahoot>twiadpaws: did a recursive chmod from / ?
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14:02<ml|>twiadpaws: what hapenned
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14:03<twiadpaws>ml|, well, i had to copy all file from the drive, format the drive and copy it back
14:04<twiadpaws>cahoot, i have problems logging me in when not being root, commands such as su fail
14:04<dli>twiadpaws, partimage
14:04<twiadpaws>dli, partimage?
14:04<ml|>to cp it back use cp -a , but you had to cp stuff like to begin with
14:04<cahoot>twiadpaws: this is after the fact?
14:05<cahoot>twiadpaws: if so it's a matter of reinstall IIRC
14:05<ml|>yeah easy thing is backup data reinstall
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14:06<ml|>and /etc for any config files that are important to you
14:06<twiadpaws>cahoot, how would reinstall IIRC help me?
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14:07<ml|>dpkg: tell twiadpaws about iirc
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14:09<ml|>twiadpaws: next time use cp -a to cp data back and forth man cp for more info
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14:10<twiadpaws>ml|, so there's nothing else i can do about it now?
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14:10<locklace>nope; you're officially screwed.
14:10<locklace>!lose twiadpaws
14:10<dpkg>twiadpaws: You Lose.
14:11<ml|>twiadpaws: not any way i know, since alot of files have different permissions etc
14:11<twiadpaws>ml|, glad to hear
14:11<ml|>just remember for next time
14:11<twiadpaws>ml|, this cp -a should have been done from the beginning on, say as i started backing up my files?
14:12<bja>twiadpaws: There is a way, but you are better off reinstalling the system. It'll take you far longer to set it up straight again
14:12<ml|>well now doesn't really matter, because you will reinstall, then just use cp then after that incase you need to use cp -a
14:13<ml|>because if you use cp -a permissions will be wrong
14:13<twiadpaws>ml|, i dont get you : \
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14:14<bja>twiadpaws: take the bright side from it, now you know how not to do it :)
14:14<twiadpaws>ml|, when i have a running system i should can't copy the files wihtout losing the right permissions
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14:15<ml|>twiadpaws: to back data now just use cp but if ever need to cp / for any reason use cp -a
14:15<ml|>twiadpaws: what?
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14:15<ml|>if you use cp -a as root you can
14:16<ml|>man cp
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14:16<twiadpaws>ml|, from what point on? after having made a backup or for making a backup?
14:16<wombatz>I have an acer aspire 5570z, with an atheros wireless card. With the default lenny driver 'ath5k' I would experience random crashed...I've switched to using the ndiswrapper and the crashes have stopped....should I file a bug report
14:16<wombatz>and how do i do that?
14:16<ml|>for making a cp if you need to, right now it doesn't mater because they are screwed anyways
14:16<locklace>wombatz: first try a current kernel
14:17<wombatz>I tried 2.6.29 with no luck
14:17<wombatz>I haven't tried 2.6.30
14:17<ml|>twiadpaws: make sense now?
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14:17<twiadpaws>ml|, shit, yes, thanks
14:18<locklace>wombatz: there's a .30 kernel package in sid, give that a try
14:18<ml|>so backup what you need now, reinstall cp data back them if you need to use cp -a
14:18<wombatz>is it safe to try it with lenny?
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14:18<locklace>wombatz: yes. just download it manually and install it with dpkg -i
14:18<twiadpaws>ml|, i've already backed it up. i just tried to make a running system once again out of it
14:18<wombatz>sweet thanks
14:19<ml|>twiadpaws: you can't permissions are srewed need to reinstall
14:19<twiadpaws>ml|, i'm getting that but i dont like it :b
14:19<leandrofmarcos>where download tutorial for treining debian?
14:19<ml|>twiadpaws: be more careful next time
14:20<ml|>it's a good leason to learn since you didn't lose your data
14:20<twiadpaws>ml|, yeh i messed up that careful part before that :b otherwise i wasn't in this situation right now
14:20<ml|>twiadpaws: have fun and gl
14:20<twiadpaws>ml|, thanks for help
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14:24<mike23>i was just examining the rc.d init script and i noticed that it loads the hostname of the machine from /etc/hostname before the file system is mounted, how is that possible?
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14:25<mike23> runs before any of the file systems are mounted
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14:25<dli>mike23, rootfs is mounted by kernel
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14:26<mike23>when is the rootfs mounted
14:26<mike23>i am assuming that is pre init.d scripts
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14:29<mike23>so if I am placing a new hostname file on the machine at boot (/etc/hostname does not currently exist at boot) I will have to run again to get it to accept the new hostname file?
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14:30<mike23>essentially what im doing is creating a machine that will retain various settings after I load an new image on the OS partition
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14:31<bja>mike23: cat /etc/init.d/ will shed some light
14:31<mike23>i have configured various files in /etc as symbolic links to the actual versions on my data partition which never gets overwritten
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14:32<mike23>but the hostname loads so early in the process it loads (none) as my hostname because the file does not exist at the time the script runs
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14:33<mike23>is there any harm in running twice?
14:34<mike23>once where it currently is and once after I run my init script in rcS.d
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14:38<bja>mike23: edit /etc/hostname with the name of your machine whatever you like, then run /etc/init.d/
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14:38<mike23>ok, that's what im doing now
14:38<mike23>i run it after i load the new /etc/hostname file
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14:39<GoldenHedgehog>I'm having some problems with soundcard AD1984A. Maybe someone can help with it? Detailed info:
14:39<mike23>thanks bja
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15:33<sander_m>Hi. I have some daemon running on localhost port 11300. I have written a PHP script that tries to access it using a socket. However, multiple instances of the script are running. A TCP dump and Wireshark tell me what local port numbers that the daemon is communicating with. Does Debian have a tool that tells me which process ID's are using which ports (on localhost)?
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15:34<bzed>sander_m: lsof
15:35<sander_m>bzed: Thanks. I'll give it a try
15:35<bja>!open files
15:35<dpkg>Care to know what program or process has a particular file or port open? lsof (list open files)! the package! the command! lsof is for YOU!!! lsof -i tcp:80; lsof /dev/dsp; lsof -i udp:53; etc... apt-get into today! Also, if you order right now, we'll throw in these hits for free: netstat -upant | grep whatever; fuser -v filename; fuser -v 80/tcp; etc. Ask me about <file-nr>.
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15:40<sander_m>bzed: lsof did what I wanted. Thanks!
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15:44<Lethalman>sander_m: take a look at netstat -taunp too
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15:53<EvanCarroll>does support marking duplicates?
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16:08<bzed>EvanCarroll: merge them.
16:09<EvanCarroll>can i merge if they are archived?
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16:33<GhostlyDeath>Is there a way for FUSE vFat mountings to always specify shortname=winnt?
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16:51<Graveworm>Hi :)! How do I set/change the irq for my soundcard? Is there a module option?
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16:53<locklace>Graveworm: what is this, 1992?
16:53<azeem>Graveworm: why does your soundcard need irq settings?
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16:56<Graveworm>Oh ok. I got it ^^. Don't know. I changed my soundcard but now it makes "strange" noises and my computer crashes after some seconds. Back in the 90s ;) I had some problems with soundcards and IRQs higher than 10 or so.
16:56<azeem>Graveworm: next time, report your real problem
16:56<Graveworm>Now its set to 18 and I would give it a try.
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16:57<non_dumb>i was just doing a virtual install and use an encrypted lvm. i changed my mind about one of the details of the virtual machine and i hit the cancel button. to my surprise the installation stopped the "erasing data on hard drive" stage and just skipped to the next stage.
16:57<non_dumb>just how necessary is this stage of an install using encrypted lvm?
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16:58<Graveworm>But you can't even help now that you know my problem ;). So I just want to know how to change it.
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17:00<locklace>non_dumb: optional
17:01<non_dumb>locklace: and the security of your system if you skip this step. is there any difference?
17:01<non_dumb>not security
17:01<non_dumb>well, nevermind. that was silly
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17:08<alakatama>hello everyone
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17:11<liquidxd>i have a problem in configuration on xorg.conf (ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] (rv200)) if anyone can help me please do!!!!!!!!!ibm thinkpad t30 with radeon driver
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17:13<ml|>liquidxd: have you read the wiki page on radeon?
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17:14<alakatama>I have problem very similar to this ---
17:14<alakatama>in short: every n-th boot system run fsck, and sometimes it stops with 'unexpected inconsistency; run fsck manually.'
17:14<alakatama>is it possible to set -y -p arguments to fsck, so it will fix everything automaticly? where is this settings (fsck on boot)?
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17:16<locklace>alakatama: /etc/init.d/check{fs,root}.sh
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17:17<liquidxd>yes and thinkwiki page but i can't make my ati work properly on debian lenny
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17:19<ml|>liquidxd: try #radeon @ freenode
17:19<liquidxd>ok thanks
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17:21<alakatama>locklace, thanks, I am checking this
17:24<arw>hello, i get the following error when i try to update
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17:44<arw>i get the following error when i try to update: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.5.26_all.deb (--unpack)
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17:45<arw>here is the link
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17:47<weasel>something is seriously fucked that your xargs throws assertions.
17:47<krazykit>i'd suspect filesystem damage
17:48<krazykit>can't hurt to fsck, anyway
17:48<interbird>sometimes when i logout x hangs; intel 855 laptop; any idea's anyone ? (irritating cause also ctrl-alt-fx or change-user sometimes hangs [hard])
17:49<dondelelcaro>interbird: buggy video driver and or kernel
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17:49<dondelelcaro>IIRC, the recomended method is to find Keith Packard and ply him with ethanol and let him have your laptop for a period of time
17:49<non_dumb>hello. i think someone here mentioned a livecd with encryption support. grlm i think
17:50<non_dumb>my system is not booting correctly atm
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17:50<interbird>dondelelcaro: yeah, i think so too; had the same prob with ubuntu 7.10 untill i specified params in xorg.conf; also does not seem to happen when i move mouse during the video-change; no known solution for squeeze yet; mint 7 does it ok
17:52<interbird>tried several solutions on lenny/squeeze; tono avail; this squeeze-box is my devbox; shitty i cannot change user or go ctrl-alt-fx :-(
17:53<locklace>!tell non_dumb about grml
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17:53<non_dumb>locklace: right. i think it was you.
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17:54<interbird>is there a way to generate a xorg.conf on squeeze since x is now 'auto-detecting' ?
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17:55<interbird>(like what dpkg-reconfigure xorg used to do)
17:55<locklace>X -configure
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17:55<non_dumb>locklace: so once i get grml up and running do i (1)use it to unlock my encrypted lvm, then (2) chroot to my hd installation and fix the problem?
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17:56<locklace>non_dumb: or you could just use it to download porn and crack wireless passwords; your call
17:56<interbird>locklace: does that write a config-file for x ?
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17:58<kurumin>BOA NOITE
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17:58<locklace>shouting brazilians --> #debian-br
17:58<kurumin>SIM SOU BRASILEIRO
17:58<kurumin>E VC É DE ONDE ?
17:58<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
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18:00<interbird>dpkg: how are you ?
18:00<dpkg>interbird: I think you lost me on that one
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18:01<non_dumb>okv/sda2 /mnt/sda2' (correct
18:01<interbird>dpkg: hello world
18:01<dpkg>well, hello world is 10 PRINT "Hello World!", or perl -e 'print "Hello World!\n";', or int main() { puts("Hello World!"); }
18:01<non_dumb>*ok.... i'm quoting this from someone in this channel
18:01<non_dumb>if your other partition is mounted under /mnt, "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev" and "mount --bind /tmp /mnt/tmp"; then you can "chroot /mnt"
18:01<non_dumb>so should i mount this my installation under /mnt/sda2 then follow the instructions ^^^^ above?
18:02<non_dumb>locklace: if you have done something like this or understand it i'd appreciate your input on the matter
18:02<interbird>non_dumb: best is to not mount at /mnt but /mnt/<mountpoint>
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18:02<non_dumb>so 'mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/myhdd'?
18:03<interbird>non_dumb: --bind is also a mount of an existing directory on a mounted file-system; this is not the same as mounting a filesystem
18:03<non_dumb>well, i believe i need to use aptitude to remove a package that is causing a problem. which method would be best for doing that?
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18:03<interbird>what package ?
18:04<interbird> /dev/sda2 is a partition; no --bind parameter !
18:04<interbird>mkdir /mnt/bliep
18:04<interbird>mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/bliep
18:04<non_dumb>not sure. last thing i remember is installing 2.6.29 from backports and also usplash (bootsplash package)
18:04<interbird>all as root
18:04<usul>request assistance installing on acer aspire:
18:05<interbird>last thing i remember was i was running a commodore64 game :-)
18:05<usul>followed instructions but got error: could not find kernel
18:05<interbird>nondumb: what does wol_info /dev/sda2 say ?
18:06<interbird>sorry... vol_info
18:06<interbird>about the fs and possibly volume_label ?
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18:07<interbird>usul: problem seems to be in the bootloader, possibly grub
18:07<interbird>usul: do you see a boot-menu ?
18:07<non_dumb>just a sec
18:08<usul>interbird i get a prompt
18:08<non_dumb>interbird: command not found
18:08<interbird>usul: bootloader prompt? initrd prompt? console prompt? what does the prompt look like ?
18:08<usul>interbird but when i hit enter to proceed with the installatio from usb stick i get the error could not find kernel image
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18:09<interbird>usul: what does it ask before proceeding ?
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18:09<simNIX>Ive installed with debootstrap a full Debian on a 15Gb ush flash drive - My pc don't know usb boot so I added to the Debian on the harddrive; kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sdc2 rootdelay=8 ro
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18:10<usul>interbird not sure which promt, it doesnt ask anything, its just a prompt before installation
18:10<usul>thats what im using as reference
18:10<usul>if thats any help
18:10<simNIX>if im booted from hd grub tabs fine to this partiton, but at boot when I select the choice to boot from ubit dont work - with e I notice hd4 is at boot not detected
18:10<interbird>simNIX: sdc2 is maybe not sdc2 at this stage; try the grub discoverer
18:11<usul>this is my first time installing Debian, i can reboot and note the exact message and prompt type if that'll help
18:11<interbird>usul: at what stage? boot? kernel loading? drop into initramfs? does it have a # ?
18:11<usul>yeah #
18:11<interbird>it'll help
18:11<simNIX>by discoverer you meen tab root(hd ?
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18:11<simNIX>in edit mode
18:11<vbmaster>hey guys, I need some help. The other day I went to Windows to burn a Debian Squeeze CD to install on my main machine, but let some sort of auto setup run from the debian cd in windows and it installed a GRUB. How can I fix it? Already did recovery mode, fixmbr....
18:11<usul>ok rebooting brb
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18:13<interbird>simNIX: usb is mostly addressed as scsi-layer once the kernel boots; you may have to fiddle with the grub boot kernel line, like root=/dev/sdX; better is to use a volumelabel or an uuid
18:13<simNIX>interbird, o google for "grub discoverer" turns up nothing ...
18:14<interbird>simNIX: if grub boots ok, you can edit the boot-lines on the fly by enterin e for edit-mode
18:15<interbird>simNIX: also, a help command should give you help for commands, like how grub sees your devices
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18:15<interbird>my guess is your root-statement is wrong in grub menu
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18:15<interbird>usb will be some sdX device as seen from the linux kernel
18:16<usul>interbird im back, and its a boot: _ prompt
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18:16<simNIX>interbird, grub form Debian on hd loads fine - if I go into e I can tab and see no disk 4 - if I then select in menu boot from Debian on hd all is fine - once booted and back in grub tab gives hd4 ... so am I missing a module maybe ?
18:16<simNIX>also I wonder can I use /dev/disk/by-id/usb .... in menu.list boot line ?
18:16<interbird>usul: is this grub ?
18:17<usul>interbird : it reads MBR, SYSLINUX 3.63 Debian - 2008-07-15 EBIOS
18:17<usul>from usb stick
18:17<interbird>simNIX: what filesystem is on the parition you want to boot ?
18:17<simNIX>part1 = /boot, 2 = /
18:18<interbird>usul: ahhh... dunno about that; syslinux is mostly used on bootable cd's; not a debian install AFAIK
18:18<usul>on usb stick
18:18<interbird>simNIX: ok, and on what kind of device are those partitions? harddisk, usb?
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18:19<usul>interbird on acer aspire one, using this wiki guide:
18:19<interbird>usul: hmmm, cannot help you; usb sticks i like to boot with grub. sorry
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18:19<usul>can anyone help with installing on acer aspire one?
18:19<simNIX>device im trying to boot in once in booted Debian from hd is detected as /dev/sdc (its a 15Gb usb flash drive/dongle)
18:19<interbird>usul: yeah, i read that fastly, cannot help you with syslinux, sorry
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18:21<simNIX>beside that I have in box 2x pata and 2x sata real drives
18:22<interbird>simNIX: ok, can you do a vol_info on /dev/sdc1 as root from debian? (assuming /dev/sdc1 exists)
18:22<interbird>or try a fdisk -l /dev/sdc from a booted debian
18:23<interbird>and tell me what the number of the partition is you want to boot from the usb
18:24<usul>can anyone help with installing Debian on Acer Aspire One?
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18:25<simNIX>interbird, I can booted from the hd as I am now - only on Lenny vol_info don't exists - tried aptitude install it no go - ill have a look what pkg has it ..
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18:25<interbird>usul: maybe there is good advice about booting debian from usb on (follow links); grub is the bootloader you might want to use; just read some info on that site
18:26<interbird>hmm, what package is vol_info part of... checking... monumento...
18:26<usul>am on the debian wiki for acer aspire one and followed instructions
18:26<usul>problem is when i try to install it says could not find kernel image
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18:27<usul>no info on that page
18:27<usul>this page --->
18:27<usul>why no kernel image? whats missing
18:28<kapil>usul: which kernel image?
18:28<usul>kapil im using debian-500-i386-netinst
18:28<interbird>usul: no info?
18:28<kapil>from usb?
18:29<simNIX>interbird, would a fdisk -l /dev/sdc1 show you simulair info ?
18:30<usul>kapil yes from usb
18:30<kapil>and it does not boot at all?
18:30<usul>interbird as linked above im on the debian wiki for the acer and followed instructions
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18:30<interbird>simNIX: sorry, meant vol_id instead of vol_info (always mix this up) -- vol_id /dev/sdc1
18:30<usul>interbird dont know what to do or search for (search for error didnt yield answers)
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18:31<interbird>usul: what do you want to accomplish ?
18:31<user01>would there be another directory besides /tmp where webpage video would be stored?
18:32<usul>interbird install Debian Lenny on my Acer Aspire
18:32<bja>user01: depends on the browser, its not system wide
18:32<interbird>usul: on the harddisk of your aspire ?
18:32<usul>interbird yes
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18:32<user01>bja, ah ok its iceweasel
18:33<usul>interbird to replace current ubuntu install with lenny
18:33<interbird>usul: debian installs grub, so what is the syslinux story ?
18:33<usul>its on the wiki page for acer aspire
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18:33<usul>of Debian (as linked above)
18:34<kapil>i think usul is unable to boot the usb stick for installation. am i right?
18:34<bja>user01: or something similar
18:34<user01>bja, thanks
18:34<usul>kapil no the usb is fine gives me a boot prompt
18:34<interbird>simNIX: ok, and this is a usb stick you want to boot from with debian ?
18:34<kapil>boot prompt? have you installed to the hard disk?
18:34<usul>kapil i hit enter to get it started then i get the (could not find kernel image error)
18:35<usul>kapil, no not yet thats what im trying to do
18:35<kapil>in other words the usb stick is not booting linux.
18:35<kapil>it is only getting to the syslinux stage and stopping.
18:36<interbird>kapil: usul has: interbird : it reads MBR, SYSLINUX 3.63 Debian - 2008-07-15 EBIOS ^^ no grub... dunno
18:36<usul>kapil it says MBR SYSLINUX 3.63... etc
18:36<non_dumb>interbird: sry. vol_info didn't return anything. vol_id gives some output though
18:36<simNIX>interbird, yes; I already have a full debootstraped Lenny on it with all I need added, noatime and such is set in its fstab and I mad /tmp /and /var/tmp tmpfs
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18:36<interbird>non_dumb: sorry, vol_id
18:36<kapil>i think the syslinux.cfg on your usb stick may have the wrong device for the stick
18:37<kapil>or more likely you have not copied the kernel to the usb stick
18:37<usul>should i do something else than hit enter to start the install?
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18:38<simNIX>in the Debian on hd that I'd like to give an aditional grub entry I've added kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sdc2 rootdelay=8 ro
18:38<usul>kapil is the page im using followed instructions
18:38<interbird>simNIX: there are two places: grub menu and the initrd that are part of finding the right device; a hard devicename like /dev/hdX or /dev/sdX is not a good idea; better is to label the partition and mount by volume_label; this is independent of the hard device name; an alternative is to mount by UUID
18:39<kapil>usul: did you do the "easy" method of zcat /path/to/boot.img.gz > /dev/sdz ?
18:39<simNIX>k - ill try setup by /dev/disk/by-id/usb ...
18:39<simNIX>tnx for trying to help
18:39<interbird>simNIX: unmount /dev/scd1 in your debian and use the ext2utils to give it a volumename like: MYUSBBOOT and use the mount by labelin fstab and grub
18:39<usul>kapil yes
18:40<kapil>and then you copied over the net-install iso file?
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18:40<non_dumb>interbird: did you get that? i guess i just need to know how to mount and chroot into the installation on this hdd so that i can use apt-get to rmeove some packages. that's where i'll start for now.
18:40<usul>kapil yes
18:40<usul>kapil then rebooted and got the MBR SYSLINUX prompt
18:40<usul>kapil then hit enter
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18:40<simNIX>interbird, I'll give it go
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18:41<usul>kapil the got the could not find kernel image error
18:41<kapil>perhaps the stick got corrupted.
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18:41<usul>kapil perhaps? how to know? what to do?
18:41<interbird>simNIX: man tune2fs
18:41<kapil>give a directory listing of the usb stick image in pastebin.
18:42<non_dumb>gotta go soon. might have to come back later to get this fixed.
18:42<interbird>simNIX: set a volume label on /dev/sdc1 from a running debian with the stick not mounted as root -- man tune2fs tells you how
18:42<kapil>usul: are you sure you wrote to the stick and not accidentally to your hard disk?
18:43<alakatama>locklace, thanks, final solution was sed -i "s/^FSCKFIX=no$/FSCKFIX=yes/" /etc/default/rcS
18:43<interbird>simNIX: then mount that in the grub menu with a kernel line with root=LABEL=yourlabel; google for mounting by volume in linux
18:43<usul>yes its on the stick
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18:43<usul>kapil its on the stick i can see it
18:43<kapil>on what system did you write the stick?
18:44<usul>kapil not sur how to send the listing to pastebin
18:44<usul>kapil on ubuntu
18:44<interbird>simNIX: don't forget to adjust the fstab in the stick to mount by volume also: LABEL=yourlabel / <options>
18:44<user01>bja, hmmm it looks like it broke up the file into three cache files, im guessing they have to be joined together to view
18:44<kapil>usul: did you make sure that ubuntu had not mounted the stick automatically?
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18:45<usul>kapil yes i unmounted it before proceeding
18:45<interbird>simNIX: mounting by labelmakes the recogniszion process independent of the devive-name which could be different in boot stage and booted stage
18:45<usul>and mounted when the instructions said to mount
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18:46<kapil>!tell usul about paste
18:46<usul>when i get the boot:_ prompt am i to just hi enter or do something else?
18:46<kapil>you just give an enter
18:46<usul>kapil i know about paste i dont know how to ge the ls in a file to past
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18:47<usul>kapil yeah thats what i did... hmm
18:47<usul>dont get it followed tutorial
18:47<usul>is it because the iso belongs to root?
18:48<kapil>i followed this tutorial and "it worked for me (tm)" (same netbook!)
18:48<usul>do i use cat to get the ls in a file so i can pastebin?
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18:48<usul>kapil good to know it works, just need to figure out what i did wrong
18:48<kapil>no. just ls and then use cut and past with mouse to firefox if you are in X
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18:50<user01>bja, ah no, thought if i did cat _cache001_ _cache002_ _cache003_ > video.flv it would work :)
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18:50<usul>kapil :
18:52<bja>user01: reconstructing iceweasel cache to get the video is something i've never done, sry can't help you there
18:53<kapil>usul: your usb stick has been trashed by some Mac system!
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18:53<usul>kapil what to do?
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18:54<kapil>usul: run the zcat stuff again from ubuntu. then mount it in ubuntu. it should contain files like f1.txt f2.txt etc.
18:55<kapil>then copy over the netinst iso image and try again.
18:55<interbird>kapil: sorry, did not follow, but what does syslinux do on usus' stick?
18:55<usul>again? thats what i just di
18:55<kapil>interbird: that is the usb debian install hd-image stick which uses syslinux.
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18:55<usul>kapil will try formating first
18:55<interbird>kapil: andnot grub ?
18:55<simNIX>interbird, looks like you sugested now - going to reboot to try bbl
18:56<simNIX>tnx til so far
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18:56<kapil>usul: not required. when you use zcat it will "format" the disk.
18:56<interbird>kapil: why does my usb boot lenny with grub? ok, wrong question
18:56<kapil>interbird: not the hdd system. the usb-installer!
18:56<usul>kapil but i did that a few minutes ago
18:56<usul>kapil it should be umounted when i do that right?
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18:57<kapil>usul: it isn't clear how the files like .Spotlight-V100 got onto your stick but they were not put there by ubuntu.
18:57<interbird>kapil: ahhh, ok; never used that, just installed lenny on the stick as if it was a hd; now i understand; cannot be of help though, no knowledge of syslinux
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18:58<ichdasich>hi guys
18:59<kapil>usul: paste the ls of the usb stick after you write it with zcat.
18:59<usul>k ...
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19:01<kapil>usul: it should look like this
19:01<usul>kapil trying to get zcat to work
19:01<interbird>kapil: just curious, any reason why syslinux is used for usb-install for debian instead of grub ?
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19:01<usul>how do i know what sdb my usb is
19:01<weasel>interbird: probably just because
19:01<kapil>on ubuntu?
19:01<interbird>lsscsi ?
19:02<usul>kapil yes
19:02<usul>is zcat supposed to make weird symbols appear in my terminal?
19:02<interbird>weasel: that's no answer... or, maybe it is
19:02<weasel>interbird: it's a perfectly fine answer
19:02<interbird>weasel: ok
19:02<weasel>interbird: "because that's the way they made it"
19:03<usul>usul i figured and stopped it
19:03<kapil>usul: the zcat output is to be sent to /dev/sd..
19:03<weasel>interbird: and chances all it predates grub and nobody ever bothered to change it - little reason to
19:03<usul>yes sd what?
19:03<kapil>ah. that is the question! :-)
19:03<usul>how to i know if sdb1 is the right one?
19:03<usul>with mount command?
19:03<weasel>I usually just ask dmesg
19:03<usul>*head hurts*
19:03<kapil>1. unplug the stick.
19:03<interbird>weasel: now, that was the answer i was looking for -- i knew you knew it :-)
19:04<usul>kapil 1 done
19:04<weasel>interbird: that was all contained in the "just because"
19:04<kapil>2. plug it in and then check the last few lines of "dmesg" output
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19:04<interbird>weasel: i know that but you didn't :-)
19:04<weasel>move on
19:04<usul>scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
19:05<kapil>wait a while.
19:05<usul>is this right?
19:05<kapil>it should give you something like /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc
19:05<usul>[ 3023.298460] sdb: sdb1
19:05<kapil>ok. so you use /dev/sdb
19:05<usul>is this right sdb1?
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19:06<kapil>not sdb1. /dev/sdb
19:06<interbird>weasel: the reason usul can't get this to work is because the method is too old; agree ?
19:06<weasel>sdb is the disk, sdb1 is the partition
19:06<usul>no dev
19:06<weasel>interbird: I don't know what usul's problem is
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19:06<kapil>that's ok. just use "zcat /path/to/hd.imgz.gz > /dev/sdb"
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19:07<interbird>weasel: booting debian from usb "by the rules" using syslinux...
19:07<kapil>weasel: he hasn't been able to create the usb installer stick.
19:07<weasel>I can think of a million and one reasons for why that may be.
19:07<weasel>good luck.
19:07<usul>weird symbols all over the term when i do that
19:08<weasel>you're doing it wrong.
19:08<usul>zcat boot.img.gz /dev/sdb
19:08<interbird>and what might be the right way ?
19:08<weasel>usul: that's not what you were told.
19:08<weasel>learn to read.
19:08<weasel>Fri 01:06:52 <kapil> that's ok. just use "zcat /path/to/hd.imgz.gz > /dev/sdb"
19:08<bremner>usul: you miss >
19:08<kapil>no. "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb". note the ">"
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19:09<interbird>right, easy
19:09<usul>its doing something :)
19:10<kapil>great. now for some patience. this aaone is not all that nippy!
19:10<interbird>brace yourselves !
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19:10<usul>ok now my ubuntu says unable to mount volume
19:10<usul>that means something happened
19:11<interbird>usul: why don't you use ubuntu? it has ready-made bootable usb-sticks and lots of howto's for download
19:11<kapil>why is your ubuntu trying to mount the volume? did you unplug it and re-plug it?
19:12<interbird>he is... isn't that off-topic ?
19:12<usul>kapil the next step in the tut is to mount it and install the other part
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19:12<usul>kapil to install the iso file
19:12<kapil>yes. but it would have been nice if you had told me that it had finished writing.
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19:12<usul>err. sorry :)
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19:13<kapil>did the "zcat" command finish properly?
19:13<usul>kapil apparently it did, it took some time then it was finished
19:13<kapil>and now you unplugged the stick?
19:14<usul>no not yet
19:14<kapil>unplug it.
19:14<usul>should i?
19:14<kapil>wait a few seconds. then plug it in again.
19:14<kapil>ubuntu should be able to mount it now.
19:15<usul>oh yeah and its called debian inst and has a bunch of debian files
19:15<usul>looks promising
19:15<kapil>ok. just copy over the .iso file to the stick.
19:16<usul>now reboot from usb i gather?
19:16<kapil>then unmount it and you have a shiny new debian 5.0 installer usb stick!
19:16*interbird is booting freedos; how i loved that era...
19:16<kapil>that should work. remember f12 while booting!
19:16<usul>ok put a bottle of champain on ice, im rebooting to install my first Debian :D
19:17<kapil>have fun!
19:17<interbird>!beer kapil
19:17*dpkg pours a quart of Bornem Tripple for kapil
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19:17<kapil>interbird: one reason given for syslinux is that it uses a fat file system which makes it easier on "legacy" o/ses
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19:18<interbird>kapil:i know, but you don't debian is now installed on fat? (impossible...) i know about syslinux on cd's and iso9660 fs etc...
19:19<interbird>s/don't/don'ts say/
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19:19<kapil>that isn't debian. its just an installer.
19:20<interbird>what does that have to with booting debian from a stick ?
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19:20<kapil>the disk image contains syslinux, config for syslinux, vmlinuz, initrd and the iso image which the initrd
19:20<kapil>which the initrd looks for, i was about to say.
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19:21<interbird>but i'm lost...
19:21<interbird>with what it has to do with booting debian from an usb stick
19:21<kapil>the iso image is a debian-installer cd which is loop mounted and used for the installation.
19:21<kapil>interbird: not booting debian from a stick. installing debian to hdd from a stick.
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19:23<kapil>i suppose people have now got used to the idea of having a live cd + installer from most distros.
19:23<interbird>ahhhhhhh, my mistake; i was under the impression he wanted to install debian on a usb stick; and what booted the stick? ubuntu?
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19:23<kapil>the bios.
19:23<kapil>he used ubuntu to write the stick.
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19:24<interbird>ok, with fat that means, otherwise bios cannot boot it
19:24<interbird>kapil: kudo's from this side
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19:25<simNIX>interbird, no lcuk; prob is not in my grub list, but in no usb support at boot with Debian - I found where they mention modules to add to initramfs - I tried but with that also no luck ...
19:25<kapil>well bios does not really care. it will only read the mbr from the stick and execute that as 8086 instructions. the rest is upto syslinux.
19:25<simNIX>How can I configure initramfs to have usb module loaded at grub menu ?
19:26<simNIX>My bios dont support it
19:26<interbird>kapil: yeah, just tought about that; i boot lenny on ext3; makes no sense what i said
19:26<simNIX>so I added grub entry to the Debian that boots from hd
19:27*kapil remembers playing around with mbr's for dos in the '80s ...
19:27<interbird>simNIX: if your bios does not support "legacy usb" and stuff like "usb storage" it's likely yoy cannot boot from usb
19:28<kapil>simNIX: you want to configure hdd grub to boot off the usb device?
19:28<Slurb>turn on usbstorage detect in the bios
19:28<simNIX>kapil, yes
19:28<interbird>that's possible; or you can use a floppy-disk to redirect to the usb
19:29<kapil>simNIX: that is not (afaik) possible since grub cannot add devices that bios does not know about.
19:29<witte>simNIX: I just logged in, so maybe this is already said before, or not to the point, but maybe the following will help
19:29<witte>!usb install
19:29<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at
19:29<simNIX>kapil, once booted in Debian from hd when I go into brub I can tab to hd4,1
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19:29<simNIX>if Im at grub boot before boot and I go into e mode I cant tab drive 4 - looks like none
19:29<kapil>simNIX: Linux can handle many more devices than bios can
19:30<interbird>simNIX: the case is: what does your bios see at boot-up time ?
19:30<simNIX>tru but how to get so much Linux loaded that usb drive is een and can be / ?
19:30<kapil>simNIX: look at what witte told you. if your bios _can_ boot from the usb device then the hdd grub can switch to that if it is present.
19:30<simNIX>bios dont see it
19:31<simNIX>no usb support in my bios
19:31<Slurb>it might be called legecy storage detect
19:32<interbird>simNIX: if it does not see usb and you cannot instruct bios for "legacy usb" and/or "usb-storage" and when done that, an inserted stick cannot be selected in the bios as a boot-device, then changes are 99% booting from usb is not possible
19:32<witte>simNIX: can you describe the problem to me? you want to have the os on the usb, and you do have a hard disk for a boot sector
19:32<kapil>you need to put the kernel from the usb device on the hdd. then give the uuid of the usb root device to that kernel command line.
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19:35<interbird>simNIX: what kapil means is redirecting the boot-process for your usb through a "dummy-boot" from the harddisk; but actually i don't know if that will work because the bios still has to recognize your usb stick (legace/usb-storage)
19:36<interbird>sticking in the usb and asking grub booted from hs could tell you that
19:36<simNIX>witte, I idealy want a full Debian on that 15G usb flash drive that I can boot anywhere usb boot is supported - I debootstraped a Debian to it and added all I need (ext2 /boot 150M rest /) - Since my pc has no usb suport at boot (in bios) I for now want tot make it so that the grub on the hd installed Debian wil load it - Once booted from hd and after I isseu grub I can root (hd4 and on tab I see the partitons 1 & 2 - When I reboot and am in
19:36<simNIX>in the grub menu to select what to boot (loaded from hd) it dont work - with e and tab I there notice hd4 is not seen
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19:36<interbird>hd4 is not a grub device
19:37<interbird>hd(4) might be
19:37<usul>kapil it boots into the installer just fine
19:37<simNIX>that what I meen
19:37<usul>kapil but it doesnt find the iso for some reason it scans sda but not sdb
19:37<simNIX>I found a few post lie
19:37<usul>kapil not sure what to make of it
19:38<simNIX>where entrys for modules are sugested in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
19:39<simNIX>that and update-initramfs -u -v -k all and a reboot didnt do it - so I suspect I somehow not correctly rebuilded the initramfs
19:39<interbird>that's only for when a kernel is booted
19:39<kapil>usul: as in it could get to the stage of searching for cd image?
19:39<simNIX>or is that used after a grub boot option is slected
19:39<interbird>in grub no kernel is booted yet
19:40<kapil>but couldn't find the cd image?
19:40<usul>kapil yes it got to that stage, scans sda and says it cant find it
19:40<usul>kapil offers extended scan that might take more time, did that, but only scans sda apparently
19:41<usul>kapil thats righ doesnt find the iso which i clearly see on the usb key
19:41<usul>330 bytes
19:41<usul>thats not right!!
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19:41<usul>i think thats the problem
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19:41<kapil>ok so it didn't manage to copy the full iso image.
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19:42<interbird>or is it a (broken) symlink ?
19:42<usul>kapil the link to the latest iso on that page gives a 404
19:42<usul>404 --->
19:43<simNIX>could I not boot a minimal Linux kernel which detects usb and then steps over to that ?
19:43<Slurb>try 501
19:43<kapil>don't take current.
19:43<interbird>absolute paths?
19:43<Slurb>where it says 500 make it say 501
19:44<Slurb>in the url
19:44<Slurb>i think its debian 5.01 now
19:44<usul>slurb i did that it workds but kapil why you says not tatke current?
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19:44<interbird>that one works for me
19:45<kapil>but then make sure that you use the recent hd.img.gz
19:45<usul>kapil i dont understand what that means?
19:45<usul>redo the zcat thing?
19:45<kapil>that's the url for the current netinst.iso
19:45<usul>with recent
19:46<kapil>not if you downloaded the hd.img.gz recently.
19:46<usul>yeah thats fine ... using the recent hd is the one im not sure
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19:46<usul>kapil thats what i zcat earlier right?
19:46<usul>how do i know if its the latest?
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19:47<kapil>the url has the MD5SUMS of the recent hd.img.gz
19:47<usul>i got mine at
19:48<kapil>doesn't matter if the md5sum matches.
19:48<simNIX>ill give it a go with supergrub cd
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19:48<usul>how do i check the md5sum?
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19:48<kapil>"md5sum hd.img.gz" and compare it with the appropriate entry in "cat MD5SUMS"
19:49<interbird>md5sum <hd,img.gz> you downloaded
19:49<usul>f3813131afcc81cd4e631e5ce08b7b26 boot.img.gz
19:49<interbird>but it should not matter; only /etc/apt/sources.list may have the old cd in it's list; should not block booting
19:49<usul>with what do i compare it to?
19:50<kapil>"cat MD5SUMS"
19:50<usul>kapil i type that in the term?
19:50<interbird>the md5sum(s) given on the site
19:50<kapil>the MD5SUMS file you download from the installer url.
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19:50<usul>kapil i pasted the md5 up there
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19:51<usul>i need to compare it on the site. what to look for?
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19:51<usul>sorry guys, this is the first md5 check
19:51<usul>im doing
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19:51<interbird>compare the md5sum of your downloaded file with the one given on the site
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19:52<usul>intrepid where to i look for md5 on the site?
19:52<kapil>usul: looks right.
19:52<usul>kapil ok
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19:53<interbird>btw: i am older than this intrepid thingy :-)
19:54<kapil>so now put the full iso on the usb stick. check the md5sums of the iso as well.
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19:56<kapil>usul: contains the md5sums of the various isos
19:56<usul>kapil interbird the md5sum matches that of /hd-media/boot.img.gz but how do i know if it fits with the iso ?
19:56<kapil>^see above
19:57<usul>so those two different files have an identical md5sum? Is that correct?
19:57<usul>none of the iso match
19:57<kapil>no. the md5sum of each file should match the entry in the corresponding md5sum file.
19:58<usul>ok so how do i know they fit together i dont understand
19:58<kapil>in other words. run "md5sum name.iso"
19:58<usul>kapil im confused
19:58<usul>how to i know the boot image goes with the iso image?
19:58<kapil>or "md5sum debian-501-i386-netinst.iso"
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19:59<kapil>the value should match the netry you find for this file in the URL above.
19:59<interbird>md5sum is unique for a file; if you download the file, md5sum it, it gives a number, if that number matches the MD5SUMS on the site for the corresponding file, you ave tolocate it in the MD5SUMS list, then that means your downloaded file is correct
20:00<usul>interbird thanks
20:00<kapil>the Debian archive masters have ensured that the "current" boot.img.gz and the "current" netinst iso images are compatible.
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20:00<usul>but that still doesnt answer the question: how to i know i havet hte approprioate boot image to go along with the iso image?
20:00<usul>kapil thanks
20:00<kapil>so all you need to ensure is that your downloaded files are correct. md5sum does that for you.
20:01<usul>ok gotcha
20:01<usul>that makes sense
20:01<interbird>that is another "match", it's a match between a boot image and a iso; that has to do with versions
20:01<interbird>what kapil said...
20:01<usul>so the links you gave me was for the current iso image then?
20:02<usul>and the boot is current so all *should* be fine
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20:03<interbird>when downloading from ftp, most of the times there is a MD5SUMS file there
20:03<interbird>it contains all the md5sums for the files present there
20:03<usul>do you guys chekc the md5sum every time you download?
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20:04<interbird>so you can downoad a file, md5sum it by your self and checvk that there is no corruption in the douwnload
20:04<interbird>matching hd-images with iso's is a different matter; that depends on the versions, releases
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20:04<interbird>so, an iso matching a hd-image has nothing to do with md5
20:05<interbird>it has do do that they are of the "same build"
20:05<usul>well the boot image i downloaded has current in its tree structure
20:06<kapil>currently, "current" = "5.01" so its ok.
20:06<usul>the debian 501 link you put up is the current also
20:06<usul>ok it might just work :D
20:06<interbird>it will, depending how you use them
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20:07<kapil>now you know why it is such a big win for companies to pre-install the O/S of your choice! :-)
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20:07<interbird>you bet; keep them dumb
20:07<kapil>a big win for you if companies do the pre-install, that is.
20:07<interbird>and get rich
20:08<usul>lol even this isnt too complicated, back in the 90s installing linux must have been a real challenge
20:08<interbird>well, i think it's depriving the consumer/customer of choise, but that's just my humble opinion
20:08<interbird>on the other hand...
20:09<kapil>interbird: they should install the o/s of _your_ choice!
20:09<interbird>too much choise seems to be a problem too :-)
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20:09<kapil>where "your" = "customer"
20:09<interbird>yes, agree; blanc hd !
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20:09<interbird>and later i will say what i want
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20:10<interbird>but using debian or a commercial os is lightyears apart...
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20:11<usul>thanks for the help ppl still 15 minutes of dl before i reboot
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20:12<kapil>usul: by the way, it is nice of you to try out debian but do you know why you want to install it in place of ubuntu?
20:12<interbird>kapil: the minister of my country was able to move the mouse in a 3d way to get the pointer to the north; he never used a mouse; still he was in control about ict development; sorrow story...
20:12<kapil>usul: or is it in addition to?
20:12<usul>kapil making the move to have a more secure os kapil
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20:13<usul>kapil no, replacing ubuntu
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20:14<Pitxyoki>interbird, did he lift the mouse from the table?
20:14<non_dumb> is there a way for me to boot into a parallel installation or a livecd environment and 'uninstall/remove' the offending package with aptitude/apt-get?
20:14<non_dumb>does that make any sense?
20:15<Pitxyoki>non_dumb, can't you boot into safe-mode?
20:15<non_dumb>Pitxyoki: what safe-mode?
20:15<kapil>non_dumb: in principle, you can mount the partition and chroot to it to run dpkg.
20:15<Pitxyoki>The second entry for every kernel entry on grub.
20:15<interbird>Pitxyoki: Yes, he was moving it in 3d fashion in the air in front of his head wondering why the arrow on the screen did not move...
20:16<kapil>this has been fun. gotta go. ta. :-)
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20:16<non_dumb>Pitxyoki: i've tried all entries available from grub
20:16<Pitxyoki>...or single-user mode.
20:16<interbird>bye, kapil
20:16<Pitxyoki>lol, interbird.
20:16<Pitxyoki>That actually makes sense.
20:16<Pitxyoki>non_dumb, then I don't know. :)
20:16<interbird>Pitxyoki: It does, but only if you don't know...
20:17<Pitxyoki>But my guess is that yes, it must be possible.
20:17<interbird>3d motion?
20:17<non_dumb>i was refering to what kapil mentioned. chrooting to the partition so i can run dpkg
20:17<interbird>maybe he was far ahead?
20:18<usul>bye kapil thanks again
20:18*interbird is kickin' back untill real problems arrive, like where do i click... :-)
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20:35<usul>ok rebooting to try the install again :D
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20:37<interbird>learning to walk can take some time and efford; but once mastered it a joy for a lifetime
20:38<interbird>mind the silent s
20:38<X-LP>and the misspelling
20:38<interbird>that was the silent s
20:39<ichdasich>mind the gap
20:39<X-LP>there is no s in efford, and there is no d in effort
20:39<interbird>efford is not meant to be plural
20:40<interbird>is it effort ?
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20:40<interbird>still learning, after all this time...
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21:12<SuperMiguel>to connect to a wpa network do i need to install anything?
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21:13<interbird>on your card, security, etc
21:14<SuperMiguel>... wpa
21:14<dpkg>it has been said that wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA.
21:14<SuperMiguel>thank u
21:15<interbird>if you "see" wifi networks, your driver is functionsl
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21:15<SuperMiguel>well i really dont see any wifi networks :(
21:15<SuperMiguel>but iwconfig shows my wireless card
21:16<witte>SuperMiguel: i think you should see the network, even if you don't have wpa enabled
21:16<interbird>is it a ethx or a wlanx ?
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21:16<interbird>what does lspci say about your wifi card ?
21:16<SuperMiguel> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
21:17<interbird>are you in gnome ?
21:18<interbird>what does the networking applet say ? does it show a list ?
21:18<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
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21:18<interbird>(of surrounding networks ?)
21:19<witte>SuperMiguel: did you install the firmware?
21:19<SuperMiguel>witte, did that already
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21:19<interbird>should be the case since he has a wlan0
21:19<witte>SuperMiguel: something suspisious in dmesg?
21:20<SuperMiguel>can i just add my settings into /etc/network/interfaces?
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21:21<witte>SuperMiguel: you can do that, but in gnome, i found the nm-applet thingy very easy to use
21:21<interbird>second that
21:21<witte>SuperMiguel: can you set the router to no encryption and test if that works (step by step ;-))
21:22<interbird>good idea
21:22<SuperMiguel>well let me remake my question :P
21:22<SuperMiguel>when i click on the nm-appplet i see the list, but when i click on it doesnt connect :(
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21:23<witte>aha, so you see the network, that is something else, that should mean your wireless card is configured ok
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21:23<interbird>but you get no pass-phrase entry dialog ?
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21:23<witte>when you click, normaly you get some output in dmesg about making a connection with an access point
21:24<interbird>if you are "in-charge" of this access-point, first try without encryption, like witte suggested
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21:26<SuperMiguel>it will connect unlocked networks
21:26<SuperMiguel>but not my wpa one :(
21:26<interbird>there are several wpa protocols
21:27<SuperMiguel>without encryption it works
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21:27<interbird>wpa, wpa2, do you have the correct setting?
21:27<SuperMiguel>i do
21:27<SuperMiguel>wpa2 :(
21:27<interbird>psk tkip, etc
21:28<SuperMiguel>let me try something
21:28<interbird>wpa2 tkip?
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21:29<interbird>try to set some other setting on your router, keep wpa2 but change the infrastructure/adhoc thingy; experiment some
21:29<interbird>my guess there's a mismatch there
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21:29<interbird>also, use the excact same case sensitive pass-phrase
21:30<interbird>if not able to connect, try the older wep
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21:44<SuperMiguel>is there a network benchmark? to see whats faster my wlan or my wired?
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21:45<interbird>local ?
21:45<interbird>just copy a big file
21:45<witte>yeah, wget or scp are best :P
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21:45<SuperMiguel>and i think scp has a timer on it as well
21:46<witte>SuperMiguel: that means wpa works?
21:46<SuperMiguel>i guess u guys didnt see what happened :P
21:46<SuperMiguel>i guess i got dc when i said it
21:46<SuperMiguel>well i feel like an idiot :P i had my wireless pool table set =3 and there are 3 systems on my wireless
21:47<SuperMiguel>so i changed to 4 and bam :P
21:47<SuperMiguel>i feel dump
21:47<interbird>late for you ?
21:47<SuperMiguel>well i been trying to figure this out for 5 hours
21:47<SuperMiguel>i feel like an idiot :(
21:47<interbird>why set pool so low? afraid of aliens ?
21:48<witte>well, these things happen, the only way to debug is to test piece by piece what works and what doesn't...
21:48<interbird>better filter mac then
21:48<Supaplex>!scold sudo
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21:48<interbird>true; piece by piece
21:48<SuperMiguel>i have it low because i usually have 3 systems connected... but i forgot that i got an iphone the other day and i connected to it and bam
21:49<interbird>i have it high but filter on the mac;that way i can always connect and later filter the new device
21:50<interbird>must not forget the last though :-)
21:51<SuperMiguel>ummm to do spc over ssh with a different port
21:52<SuperMiguel>is -h miguel@ -p 7656 ??
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21:53<interbird>are you asking what man scp could tell you ?
21:53<SuperMiguel>i read it :P it doesnt :P
21:53<SuperMiguel>damn it i should i got to sleep xD need to use capital "P"
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21:54<witte>SuperMiguel: if i'm correct, one is from and other is to port, both -p and -P could have been correct...
21:55<interbird>-p is for presevations of accesstimes on scp
21:55<interbird>-P is the port
21:56<interbird>am i the only one man scp talks to ?
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21:56<witte>well, long time ago that i looked at it, and to lazy to do it now :p
21:56<SuperMiguel>mines says command not found when i type man XD
21:57<interbird>dunno of any XD command
21:57<interbird>must be witte :-)
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21:58<SuperMiguel>so im copying a 600MB to my server, ima do it 5 times and dive my 5 to find average, and then do it on the wireless network.. that the best way?
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21:58<interbird>you tell us
21:58<interbird>assuming you are on scp
21:58<interbird>could be cifs?
21:58<interbird>you did not tell us
21:59<witte>SuperMiguel: depends on how accurate you want it
21:59<witte>if it is that close, do you care :P
21:59<SuperMiguel>not really xD
21:59<witte>I usually just test with one file on both systems
21:59<interbird>i test with 3; all not just zero's
22:00<witte>because than you must also test downloading of small files etc
22:00<SuperMiguel>what im trying to test is if n networking is faster that 100mb wired
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22:00<witte> apt-cache search network |grep bench
22:00<interbird>it will not be
22:00<witte>SuperMiguel: my bet: no
22:01<witte>54 MB/s + WPA2 encryption <--> 100 MB/s
22:01<SuperMiguel>n should be a bit faster than 54mb
22:01<witte>ah, ok
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22:03<interbird>dd if=/dev/rnd (or hatever) of=bigrandomfile bs=1M count=500
22:03<interbird>this gets you a 500MB random file; copy that with scp and mark your speed
22:04<interbird>no sense in using a 500MB file with all zero's....
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22:05<interbird>midnight-commander can also be of help in determining network speeds
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22:05<Supaplex>i'm looking at the sudoers man page, and the examples imply "supaplex ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" lets me run sudo -u otherusr bash -i but it prompts for a password and denies. suggestions?
22:06<interbird>Supaplex: any ldap active ?
22:06<Supaplex>nope. plain ol box
22:07<interbird>no "sudo warning" (report it) given ?
22:08<SuperMiguel>wired speed average (5times): 52.4 seconds for a 589MB file, using wireless N: same file size took 04:30
22:08<SuperMiguel>that sucks
22:08<Supaplex>interbird: yes, it lectures. sudo true works just fine.
22:09<interbird>wireless speed is like a commercial: now this item for only 3.99 where it was 17.99... :-)
22:09<SuperMiguel>interbird, hahah
22:09<witte>SuperMiguel: does it operate at n speed? (don't know how to check it)
22:09<SuperMiguel>witte, i have no idea how to check it either
22:10<SuperMiguel>the connection info says 54 Mb/s
22:10<witte>SuperMiguel: and according to some random page i found on the web: Question: How Can I Get 300 Mbps Speed on My 802.11n Network? 802.11n networks support approximately 300 Mbps of rated (theoretical) bandwidth under the best conditions. Unfortunately, an 802.11n network will sometimes operate at much lower speeds (130 Mbps and below).
22:10<SuperMiguel>so i guess is not connecting using n
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22:10<witte>and with 130, you are still better off with cable imho (no wpa encryption
22:11<interbird>Supalex: if sudo lectures, then the sudoers file is likely the issue; dunno how you advanced sudo beyond any (none) default settings; maybe try a group to see what that does; dunno
22:11<SuperMiguel>sucks that my laptop only supports 100mb
22:11<witte>SuperMiguel: nope, no n, so this might be caused by the linux driver (you should be able to check if it is n-capable) or you might be to far from the modem...
22:11<SuperMiguel>witte, well is next to the modem
22:12<SuperMiguel>i should get one of these:
22:12<witte>SuperMiguel: a VERY HIGH amount of moisture in the air? :P
22:12<interbird>n-capable is only for supression on longer distances within building with high reflection;it does not do shit when 2 meters away
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22:13<SuperMiguel>witte, hahaha
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22:13<interbird>shutdown your radio Super :-)
22:13<witte>SuperMiguel: for me it is all the same, 10 mbps is fast enough because the internet is not faster (although for access to my server 100 is nice)
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22:14<SuperMiguel>witte, any of u have any experience with a external gigabit ethernet card?
22:15<witte>SuperMiguel: not me
22:15<Supaplex>interbird: odd. "supaplex ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" vs "supaplex ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL"
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22:16<Supaplex>simply confusing I guess. blaeh.
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22:17<interbird>witte: speed is of no concern;
22:17<SuperMiguel>u guys seem the microsoft buried 10grand?
22:18<interbird>you mean what they one promised ?
22:18<SuperMiguel>i called it desperation
22:19<witte>interbird: you are wrong: if the speed is to high, you get congestion towards your cpu and you'll crash your system!
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22:19<interbird>First point is a "deal-breaker"already...
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22:20<witte>I do not think they would be allowed to have such advertisements in Europe :o
22:20<interbird>witte: then just don't type so much :-)
22:20<SuperMiguel>well thats their point make people use ie8
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22:21<prahal>SuperMiguel, thanks I made a pdf out of it ... could be of use for the forthcoming trial about browser and microsoft in europa :)
22:21<interbird>what? are they waking up ?
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22:22*witte goes to sleep, the birds are singing again :P
22:22<interbird>i think webkit has a lot of potential, but i still love gecko very much (Prism)
22:23<interbird>nite witte
22:23<Supaplex>SuperMiguel: lol. MS is a bunch of fuqnutz :)
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22:23<non_dumb>quick question. if my system is booting and i type random characters into the console will this show up in the boot log?
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22:24<SuperMiguel>non_dumb, i dont think so
22:24<ert34>How do I monitore my pc temperature?
22:24<prahal>non_dumb, my understanding of it is that it reads the characters from /dev/console, log them then show them up on the screen . Not the other way around
22:24<interbird>how about checking the bootlog if it does ?
22:25<non_dumb>ert34: search for sensors using aptitude or synaptic or apt-get
22:25<SuperMiguel>ert34, lmsensors
22:25<non_dumb>*apt-cache search
22:25<non_dumb>and you might want to look into conky for a more user friendly and permanent solution.
22:25<interbird>*boot* log
22:25<interbird>or do you mean a *history*
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22:26<prahal>ert34, usually via sensorsd and applets frontends . see sensors-detect to check if your system is supported (a few have non standard sensors managed by dedicated projects)
22:26<non_dumb>uh. boot log
22:26<non_dumb>as in bootlogd
22:26<prahal>bootlogd I bet
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22:26<interbird>as in logging stuff at boot time? and you type shit at boot time?
22:26<non_dumb>interbird: yes
22:27<interbird>well, does it ?
22:27<non_dumb>or is it just logging standard output
22:27<non_dumb>dunno. guess i'll have to check myself
22:27<interbird>guess so, let me know...
22:27<ert34>iwant something in gaphics
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22:28<ert34>cartesian ones
22:28<interbird>try inkscape
22:28<ert34>to monitore the temperature
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22:29<prahal>ert34, gkrellm , gnome sensors applet
22:29<prahal>Computer Temperature Monitor is my favorite (a gnome applet)
22:30<interbird>my favorite is the menubar applet
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22:31*Hideo likes vimperator!
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22:31<adb>Unable to locate package vimperator
22:32<Hideo>of course not
22:32<Hideo>it's in
22:33<adb>than nm ..
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22:33<ert34>I don't find the program to start, even installed
22:33<interbird>So, which of you guys want the $10,000 ? I just found it:
22:34<ert34>the gnome sensors applert
22:34<prahal>ert34, right clicking in the menu bar and clicking Add ?
22:35<prahal>oups the gnome panel not menu bar
22:35<ert34>exactly what I want
22:35<ert34>it logs
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22:39<ert34>I don't trust that this channell has 385 users
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22:40<interbird>trust is all you have...
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22:41<eugeny>where konversation save settings about channels?
22:41<interbird>which irc client ?
22:41<adb>home/$User/config ?
22:42<eugeny>adb: thanks!
22:43<eugeny>adb: but, I dont have /home/$User/config dir
22:43<prahal>this thing about twitter+ms australia shocks me ... is this even remotely legal in australia too ... it is like paying consumer to use a product which to me is the same as selling at loss . Which is illegal in fr at least
22:44<interbird>don't worry
22:44<interbird>a cat in a corner is good for some strange moves
22:45<interbird>the acid2 hurdle is taken
22:45<prahal>I am ... I have seen how they act for 15 years . Except killing people , they have bypassed most of the laws legal or moral
22:45<interbird>acid3 is still a long, long way
22:45<eugeny>peoples, help me please!
22:46<Supaplex>!comfort eugeny
22:46<dpkg>There, there, eugeny. It's OK. I'm here for you.
22:46<eugeny>Supaplew: where konversation save settings about channels?
22:46<interbird>eugeny: what is the matter ?
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22:47<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) -
22:47<twb>$ sudo -ggames strace -o/tmp/trace crawl
22:47<twb>Sorry, user twb is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/strace -o/tmp/trace crawl' as twb:games on twb-scratch-i386.
22:47<Supaplex>never used konversation.
22:47<twb>Why is sudo being silly here?
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22:47<interbird>eugeny: does a menu-item like "preferences" tell you anything? i don't know...
22:48<Supaplex>I think he's trying to save a list of favorite channels
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22:48<interbird>or trying to find the files
22:48<eugeny>interbird: i want to find file with settings/
22:48<interbird>why ?
22:48<prahal>$HOME/.kde/share/config/konversationrc maybe (cannot tell for sure)
22:49<eugeny>prahal: thanks!
22:49<interbird>why ?
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22:49<twb>My primary group is %cyber and in /etc/sudoers I have %cyber ALL=(ALL) ALL
22:49<prahal>as I have not data about channels inside (though I never joined a channel via konversation, mostly took a look
22:49<twb>I can sudo -s and sudo -i and similar, so why can't I run a game as the games group?
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22:51<interbird>dunno, to tiered to figure it out; man sudo might help you a lot; complex; just read it
22:51<interbird>maybe games must be a sudo-group
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22:56<twb>Oh well, it seems just strace works
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22:56<twb>It wasn't before, I presume because setgid was busted
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23:09<fortax>any adults around?
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23:09<fortax>that'll do
23:09<fortax>i cant seem to figure out why my system isn't booting
23:10<fortax>i managed to activate bootlogd but /etc/default/boot is an empty file even after booting my system as usual
23:10<fortax>anywhere else i could look for clues?
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23:13<fortax>locklace: you up?
23:18<fortax>sorry. /var/log/boot is empty
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23:21<interbird>fortax: does setting /etc/default/bootlogd (BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes) help you ?
23:23<fortax>interbird: that is what i did
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23:24<fortax>then i booted. then shutdown. then checked the file /var/log/boot and /var/log/boot.0 and both were empty
23:24<twb>fortax: you obviously need to change init=/sbin/bootlogd or similar when booting
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23:25<fortax>twb: and how would i go about doing that? can i just edit the menu.lst file?
23:25<twb>fortax: if you like
23:25<enouf>fortax: are you using ubuntu?
23:25<fortax>no. my install is debian
23:26<interbird>fortax: are you looking for something dmesg canot tell you ?
23:26<enouf>ok .. well ubuntu had a broken bootlogd at one time
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23:26<fortax>yes. because i'm not sure what to ask.
23:26<fortax>or exactly what my problem is
23:26<enouf>fortax: at exactly when is it failing? errors are?
23:26<fortax>just a sec
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23:26<enouf>got a digital camera? take a pic of your terminal/monitor
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23:27<enouf>upload to or something
23:27<drakeman>ml|, hey
23:27<fortax>i have the system mounted from a livecd right now
23:28<enouf>ok, and?
23:28<enouf>did you chroot yet?
23:28<interbird>a live cd? and you want to bootlog that ?
23:28<enouf>or atleast cd /mnt/point/ and go from there?
23:28<twb>I am trying to make a package use tar instead of zip, and upstream is calling zip with a bunch of options.
23:28<twb>One of those options is "delete files that are added to the archive".
23:29<twb>How can I do this in tar?
23:29<fortax>enouf: no. i can only check the contents of the bootlog from the livecd as the fs is using encrypted lvm
23:29<enouf>packages don't use either, it's an ar archive
23:29<enouf>which contains tar.gz many times
23:30<interbird>enough: that is a bug in an (windoze) archiver; just extract the contents;let it overwrite and repack it
23:30<enouf>fortax: so cd /mnt/point/var/log/ ; cat ,/boot is what you're looking at
23:30<interbird>it has to do with upper/lower case on systems that do not seperate the two; like win
23:31<enouf>interbird: i don't know what you're referring to .. but it's not a problem for me
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23:32<fortax>enouf: that's what i meant. /mnt/<mountpoint>/var/log/boot exists but the file is empty. 0kb
23:33<fortax>and i'm not sure how to chroot into the existing installation fs
23:34<interbird>enouf: i was referring to extracting a zip or tar, build on a (win) fs, where when extraced under linux, filenames clash because of case
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23:35<enouf>mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; same for /dev but use /mnt/point/dev and maybe /sys ; chroot /mnt/point
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23:36<enouf>if you need dm and any crypsetup modules loaded, modprobe them
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23:36<fortax>enouf i have the lvm unlocked and mounted
23:36<enouf>fortax: did it ever work - your installation? how and when did it break?
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23:37<enouf>well .. ok - so enouf> fortax: at exactly when is it failing? errors are?
23:37<fortax>i've been using debian for quite a while now. this installation was fine up until a couple of weeks ago.
23:38<fortax>there are no errors at all. there are only two things that i can report
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23:38<fortax>during boot the screen flickers off for a second then back on. when it does this the screen is cleared of any text and output starts from the top of the screen. yeah wierd, i know.
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23:39<fortax>i have the last lines of text that are outputted to the screen before it hangs. after which it does not continue the boot process. i can restart with Ctrl+Alt+Del but that's it
23:39<enouf>fortax: can you show us your kernel and initrd lines from grub's menu.lst for the usual one you boot/use?
23:40<fortax>yeah. just a sec
23:40<interbird>fortax: can you paste your grub boot-line here ?
23:40<SuperMiguel>whats the best way to make a xinerama background?
23:40<enouf>fortax: and " i have the last lines of text that are outputted to the screen before it hangs." would help
23:40<soul>Hi I'm trying to intall squeeze on a ppc ibook. I have had good luck with lenny, but squeeze does not recognize my hard drive. I noticed others had the same problem. I want to work around this. I think my drive is scsi-mod which is listed but doesnt work. I need some help!
23:40<enouf>!dual monitors
23:41<dpkg>For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See,, Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>.
23:41<SuperMiguel>enouf, thats talks about how to set it up.. im taking about the background :P
23:41<prahal>dpkg you aged ! xinerama is no more
23:41<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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23:42<enouf>soul: the #debian-powerpc mailing list is good - try the channel #debianppc here or on
23:42<prahal>and randr is at 1.3 ...
23:42<SuperMiguel>prahal, um?
23:42<enouf>SuperMiguel: i don't know what a "background" is
23:42<SuperMiguel>enouf, umm
23:43<fortax>that's my menu.lst
23:43<enouf>wallpaper? root window? desktop? spanning across both monitors? screensaver?
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23:43<prahal>well it would be kind to teach dpkg about arandr and gnome-display-properties
23:44<SuperMiguel>enouf, yes wallpaper
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23:45<SuperMiguel>prahal, i know how to change the wallpaper or the background.. the problem when u using dual monitor is that the image gets streched between the two and it looks ugly.. what i have been doing is using gimp and put one image next the other one and that has worked
23:45<enouf>fortax: so kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/mapper/SHELLY-root ro is your typical boot?
23:45<SuperMiguel>i was just looking for an easier way
23:45<enouf>fortax: you have a /boot partition on non-LVM i gather
23:45<prahal>fortax, kernel and initrd are really in / ? not in /boot ?
23:45<Supaplex>aptitude install libuniversal-require-perl libgd-graph-perl libcrypt-ssleay-perl libtree-simple-perl libhtml-scrubber-perl libregexp-common-time-perl libregexp-common-perl libhtml-tree-perl libhtml-format-perl libtest-inline-perl libclass-returnvalue-perl liblog-dispatch-perl libtime-modules-perl libterm-readkey-perl libterm-readkey-perl libterm-readkey-perl libterm-readkey-perl libtext-autoformat-perl libtext-quoted-perl libregexp-common-email-address-pe
23:46<Supaplex>woops. :)
23:46<interbird>no we know your magic
23:46<enouf>fortax: i'd like for you to tell us what changed when it broke? were you doing a dist-upgrade?
23:47<interbird>mapping broke i guess
23:48<enouf>fortax: and have you tried the older .18 kernel boot?
23:48<fortax>sorry. i'm trying to track down a pastebin of the output from my system during boot. last thing i remember doing was installing usplash to customize boot splash screen
23:48<fortax>that and i think i was trying to get 2.6.29 installed from bpo
23:48<enouf>yep, that'll break systems
23:49<enouf>especially your a) .. it's symptomatic
23:49<fortax>ok. so can i just uninstall?
23:49<enouf>i would --purge remove it , but you need to chroot
23:49<fortax>so which part do you think broke my box? 2.6.29 or usplash?
23:50<fortax>usplash right?
23:50<enouf>for starters
23:50<enouf>please answer the other questions
23:50<fortax>sorry. which one?
23:50<enouf>23:39 < enouf> fortax: and have you tried the older .18 kernel boot?
23:50<fortax>same thing. all four options give the exact same results
23:50<fortax>the same hang during boot
23:51<fortax>at the same place
23:51<enouf>fortax: 23:31 < enouf> fortax: and " i have the last lines of text that are outputted to the screen before it hangs." would help
23:51<enouf>23:31 < enouf> fortax: and " i have the last lines of text that are outputted to the screen before it hangs." would help
23:51<enouf>scrollback got me fooled
23:52<fortax>just a sec. i have to comb through a textfile of my bookmarks mounted on a ntfs partition. screw it i'm just doing this from x and open it in iceweasel. it'll be faster.
23:52<fortax>gimme a minute
23:54<enouf>fortax: was there any power failure or some other interruption that might require a fsck on your / and /boot ?? if so exit the chroot and umount the --bind mounts and run fsck on each partition from the livecd boot
23:55<enouf>fortax: and has your vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 ever booted properly? otherwise you might need to update-initramfs after you add/list your dm/crypt/luks modules
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23:56<enouf>or .. mount them ro, i should say
23:56<susan>disculpen que paquete o controlador debo instalar para
23:56<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:57<susan>los videos q estan en extencion .dat
23:57<interbird>susan: ok,but this is an english channel
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