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00:15<fortax>enouf: sorry. i cant seem to enter any text into my x session. that's wierd.
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00:17<interbird>does ctrl-alt-fx give you a console? does typing work there? what gui stage ? gdm,gnome...
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00:20<fortax>enouf: i found the file that is showing the test i was looking for
00:20<fortax>just a sec
00:20<interbird>enouf has shut his eyes
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00:22<interbird>just a wild guess
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00:24<fortax>i guess i'll still answer his questions. didn't see them before. there might have been a "power failure" while something was happening with initramfs. guess i'll run the fsck on the drive. and 2.6.26-2.686 was running just fine for months up until just recently
00:25<fortax>ffsck 1.41.5 (23-Apr-2009)
00:26<fortax>e2fsck 1.41.5 (23-Apr-2009)
00:26<fortax>/dev/mapper/hdd-root: clean, 140651/9682944 files, 10173283/19361792 blocks
00:26<fortax>interbird: was that supposed to be that fast. it's a decent size drive
00:27<interbird>how could i determine "fast" with just a date ?
00:27<fortax>i just ran 'fsck /dev/mapper/hdd-root
00:27<fortax>i just thought it would have taken longer. guess i still remember the days of dos scandisk and such
00:28<interbird>and how am i could i time that ?
00:28<interbird>you are on irc
00:28<interbird>i amnot looking over your shoulder
00:28<interbird>would like to, though... :-)
00:30<interbird>so, what was the problem again ?
00:30<snogglethorpe>fortax: fsck should take long?
00:30<interbird>what fs ?
00:31<fortax>ext3. it was just an assumption i made.
00:31<snogglethorpe>fortax: it can take a long time if the machine crashed previously and you're not using a journaling filesystem, but in the normal case it's almost instantaneous
00:31<snogglethorpe>fs3 should usually take very little time
00:31<interbird>partition size ?
00:31<snogglethorpe>i mean, ext3
00:32<fortax>how would i go about running 'update initramfs' from my livecd?
00:32<snogglethorpe>there is an annoying "every 20 mounts" forced fsck that does take a long time, even on ext3
00:32<interbird>20secs for a corrupted fs
00:32<interbird>maybe 30
00:32<fortax>is this where i need to chroot?
00:32<interbird>what does hdparm -t /dev/device say ?
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00:33<interbird>(raw speed)
00:34<interbird>update initramfs can not be run from a live cd
00:34<fortax>/dev/sdb: Timing buffered disk reads: 104 MB in 3.02 seconds = 34.43 MB/sec
00:34<interbird>you could extract the initramfs, check it, and then recompress it
00:34<interbird>my guess your prob is in there
00:35<interbird>you know whata initramfs does ?
00:35<fortax>no sir
00:35*enouf was distracted ... am back and reading scrollback
00:36<interbird>pretty ladies ?
00:37<enouf>fortax: you can run it after you chroot
00:37<enouf>interbird: somewhat, yes ;-)
00:38<fortax>enouf: run what? update-initramfs?
00:38<interbird>from a lice cd ?
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00:38<fortax>i'm using a livecd
00:39<interbird>to update the initramfs on the live cd?
00:39<interbird>or use special dest parms?
00:39<enouf>chroot makes your / the real-root-fs, so one surely can then use the pkg manager and all other utils, so long as needed mounts are bounf
00:39<fortax>you just lost me with that one. never chrooted anything before
00:39<enouf>interbird: to update-initramfs on his install initrd
00:40<interbird>ahh, ok, he's in a chroot from out of a live cd; ok
00:40<enouf>i explained it all -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^ up ther
00:40<fortax>how to chroot?
00:40<interbird>yeah, sorry, got distracted too...
00:41<enouf>AND, you also want to apt-get --purge remove usplash and friends
00:41<fortax>sorry. i'm using irssi on the livecd and the scrollback only goes up one page
00:41<fortax>yes. the first thing i'll do is get rid of usplash
00:41<enouf>23:26 < enouf> mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; same for /dev but use /mnt/point/dev and maybe /sys ; chroot /mnt/point
00:41<enouf>23:26 < enouf> mount --bind /proc /mnt/point/proc ; same for /dev but use /mnt/point/dev and maybe /sys ; chroot /mnt/point
00:42<enouf>dammit - scrollback is messing with me again ..
00:42<interbird>what is usplash? some boot lady ?
00:43<enouf>some frilly nonsense
00:43<enouf>i think
00:43<fortax>so 'mount --bind /proc /mnt/myhdd/proc' and 'mount --bind /dev /mnt/myhdd/dev' and 'mount --bind /sys /mnt/myhdd/sys' and then 'chroot /mnt/myhdd'
00:43<fortax>does that sound right? it's a bootsplash customizer
00:43<fortax>if myhdd is the mount point for the fs
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00:43<enouf>it just always seems to mess with printk and vga= stuffs ... but, i would even add a vga=791 for good measuer
00:44<interbird>for starters
00:44<fortax>i've never use chroot before. is what i typed above correct?
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00:44<enouf>fortax: yes
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00:45<enouf>fortax: then to exit chroot, type exit, and do NOT forget to umount those three you mounted - see output of 'mount'
00:45<interbird>once this fortax problem is solved it should go into the anals of: "how do i..."
00:46<interbird>like how do a get a vista-like menu on my gnome on debian
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00:47<enouf>but while in chroot - do the apt-get ,,, and any editing of menu.lst and /etc/fstab if needed , and "update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.26-2.686"
00:47<fortax>on noes!
00:47<fortax>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
00:47<enouf>though ... make sure your LVM and any crypsetup stuff is listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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00:48<fortax>enouf: is that after i chroot?
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00:48<enouf>prior to update-initramfs -- but wait - that kernel worked Fine previously? shouldn't be an issue with your initrd then!
00:48<fortax>while i'm INSIDE my system?
00:48<interbird>fortax: what does chroot do ?
00:48<fortax>yes. worked fine
00:48<fortax>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/zsh': No such file or directory
00:48<fortax>which one should i install
00:48<enouf>then, if you didn't change anythying about it, forget it for now
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00:49<interbird>your /bin is not --bind mounted to your chroot
00:49<stew>fortax: you don't have zsh installed in the chroot, so run "chroot whereever /bin/bash" instead of just "chroot whereever"
00:50<interbird>does he use a copy of or a --bind ?
00:50<fortax>chroot /mnt/myhdd/bin/bash
00:50<fortax>chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt/myhdd/bin/bash: Not a directory
00:51<enouf>fortax: close, no cigar
00:51<enouf>fortax: chroot /mnt/myhdd /bin/bash
00:51<fortax>i'm presented witha prompt
00:51<enouf>bingo - ls -l
00:52<enouf>you should see your / FS contents
00:52<interbird>ls -ls /bin/zsh -- does it exist anyways ?
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00:52<interbird>ls -la
00:52<fortax>ls: cannot access /bin/zsh: No such file or directory
00:52<enouf>ls /home/username -- you should see your Installation /home/username/ contents
00:52<interbird>apt-get install zsh ?
00:52<fortax>yes it's there
00:52<interbird>for whatever zsh is needed for...
00:52<enouf>he doesn't need zsh :-P
00:53<interbird>so why then ?
00:53<enouf>it's not, the LiveCD uses it
00:53<interbird>he'sin chroot
00:53<enouf>so that's why it was looking for it
00:53<enouf>it's not anymore
00:53<interbird>did he mount --bind stuff into his chroot ?
00:53<enouf>echo $SHELL fortax
00:53<enouf>yes, AFAICT
00:54<interbird>mount -l ?
00:54<interbird>mount -l | grep bind
00:54<enouf>i want to see if he has bash or sh
00:54<interbird>paste that
00:54<interbird>which bash
00:54<interbird>sh is a symlink
00:54<interbird>mount -l | grep bind
00:54<enouf>interbird: that would showup in and out of the chroot since he --bind mounted outside of it
00:54<interbird>what does that say ?
00:54<fortax>you guys want to see this
00:55<fortax>just a sec
00:55<enouf>interbird: in Debian, it's a symlink to bash, yes
00:55<fortax>i always use bash
00:55<enouf>echo $SHELL fortax
00:56<interbird>enouf: inside the chroot, stuff can be --binded or hard linked; the chroot environment is accessable from the top; so, is it there or not ?
00:56<enouf>fortax: what did you mean "00:42 < fortax> i'm presented witha promp" then?
00:56<stew>hopefully soon it will be a symlink to dash instead of bash for most people
00:56<enouf>interbird: you can do it a couple of ways, use --bind outside, or just mount it from within
00:57<enouf>that works for atleast /proc
00:57<enouf>stew: you're a closet dash promoter/user? ;-P
00:57<interbird>yeah, so a mount -l|grep bind should show the bound dirs; what are those on his box ?
00:57<stew>enouf: if it will cut people's boot time in half, I don't see why not
00:58*interbird is chrooting into CP/M, just for the fun of it
00:58<stew>and no, me saying it out in public means I'm not closeted about it :)
00:58<enouf>stew: does 'aptitude remove ...' imply --purge ?
00:58<fortax>sorry, what?
00:59<enouf>stew: nobody serious about using Debian cares about boot times O_o
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00:59<stew>enouf: no, aptitude purge does
00:59<enouf>stew: i wouldn't mind if it took the time it takes to make a pot of coffee ;-P
00:59<enouf>stew: ahh
00:59<enouf>the purge implies the remove then
01:00<enouf>fortax: so, you'll still have all those usplash config files
01:00<fortax>just noticed that.
01:00<fortax>can i remove them by hand?
01:00<stew>enouf: and yes, my wife cares about boot time. but mostly because I can't figure out why hibernate stopped working on her laptop
01:01<interbird>stew: because you hibernated? (just a joke)
01:01<enouf>heh, i thought it was grml ..
01:01<enouf>stew: i see - gotta keep the lady happy - that i know ;-)
01:02<fortax>enouf: i'm using grml, yes. what are all those lines about 2.6.28-2-686 not being found?
01:02<interbird>numero uno; then you can go your gang'
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01:02<enouf>i don't know what to even make of your pastebin fortax .. why is update-initramfs even there?
01:02<enouf>does usplash crap modify your initrd?
01:02<fortax>that was just me running 'apt-get remove usplash'
01:02<enouf> /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 does not exist. Cannot update.
01:02<fortax>that's what i noticed when i installed it
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01:02<interbird>fortax: what if you read-upon some stuff and check-in tomorrow again ?
01:02<enouf>fortax: dpkg -P <pkg1> <pkg2> ...
01:03<fortax>then i installed a couple of other packages and it updated something with initramfs again
01:03<enouf>alrighty then
01:03<fortax>interbird: what should i be reading?
01:03<enouf>dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2.686
01:03<enouf>try that
01:04<fortax>Package `linux-image-2.6.26-2.686' is not installed and no info is available.
01:04<fortax>Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
01:04<fortax>and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
01:04<fortax>/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-2.6.26-2.686 is not installed
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01:04<interbird>fortax: dunno, you tell me ?
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01:04<enouf>dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 or that - get the name correct ;-)
01:04<fortax>just a sec
01:04<enouf>ls -l /boot
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01:05<enouf>or dpkg -l linux-image-*
01:05<fortax>Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686)
01:05<enouf>so long as you're still within your chroot
01:05<enouf>fortax: fortax is your /boot partition mounted?
01:05<fortax>enouf: yes
01:05<fortax>it is
01:06<interbird>pseudo: for p in *splash*; purge $p; rof
01:06<fortax>but i haven't chrooted anything to it
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01:06<enouf>fortax: hrm ... try mount -t FSTYPE /boot /mnt/myhdd/boot
01:07<fortax>i had it mounted on /mnt/myboot
01:08<enouf>or exit the chroot; do it all over, but this time add /boot as well prior to --bind mounting - you should've umounted your LVM prior to --bind mounts and chroot, IINM
01:08*enouf is getting a bit lost now ... hrm
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01:09*interbird sees enouf in the neighbourhood
01:09<fortax>how do i get out of the chroot?
01:09<enouf>linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 <--that's the correct name, although with "update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.26-2-686" that would be the correct way to feed it version
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01:10<enouf>type 'exit'
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01:10<interbird>exit,quit,stop,bye are some words one is believed to have tried before asking
01:11<enouf>do exit in a shell session and you lose the session :-P
01:11<interbird>enouf is like a mother; he truly cares
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01:12<enouf>heh - and i carry a big stick :-p
01:12<fortax>i've tried exit,quit,stop,and bye. i think i'm out of the chroot, but the partitions are still mounted.
01:13<interbird>hehe; lol!
01:13<enouf>fortax: ofcourse they are; umount /mnt/myhdd/sys .. etc etc
01:13<fortax>i hope i didn't make it worse
01:13<interbird>ctrl-c is also one
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01:14<enouf>i can't even tell if you properly removed and/or purged the pkgs, at worst, that went well, and the real issue is getting your initrd updated
01:14<fortax>i removed usplash. i did not purge it as i should have. so yes the config files seem to still be there.
01:14<enouf>i guess you could try to reinstall the linux-image-VERSION pkg - again, chroot - then do it
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01:15<fortax>i exited the chroot as well.
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01:15<urbinek>hi, is there any way to undelete files on ext3 ?
01:15<interbird>fortax: step by step, but know what you do
01:15<dr|z3d>urbinek: Not really. Good luck finding a recovery tool!
01:15<fortax>what about snoop
01:15<fortax>is that what it's called?
01:16<urbinek>i'v just dele my script dir ...
01:16<interbird>urbinek: could shut off the pc; boot another pc; google for ext3 recovery tools
01:17<dpkg>Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see and ask about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
01:17<enouf>urbinek: ^^^^^
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01:17<interbird>my guess it's on his /, so no unmiuning there...
01:18<fortax>so now i want to mount --bind /sys /proc /dev and /boot, then chroot to /mnt/myhdd, then reinstall usplash then purge it then reinstall linux-image-2.6.26-2.686
01:18<enouf>english please :-p
01:18<urbinek>interbird: yey black magick, but thx
01:18<interbird>the only way
01:18<urbinek>interbird: no its on /home
01:19<fortax>enouf: then update-initramfs?
01:19<enouf>fortax: you could try aptitude purge pkg1 ,,,
01:19<interbird>and /home is a separate partition ?
01:19<enouf>fortax: or dpkg -P as i mentioned, no need to reinstall those
01:19<interbird>not on the same disk as / ?
01:19<interbird>you might be in luck then
01:20<enouf>fortax: yes, and/or dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
01:20<interbird>hard kill the mount; you don't want any activity on that partition from now on
01:20<interbird>then google for some ext3 recovery stuff and pray; i will to
01:20<enouf>fortax: umount whatever grml auto mounts concerning your / and /boot - then start with the --bind mountsa
01:21<interbird>and if you want to remount this partition, do it *readonly*
01:21<interbird>(if it can be remounted)
01:21<enouf>no, he needs rw
01:21<enouf>so he can do shit .. if it was for a fsck, then yes
01:22<enouf>are we talking about 2 different nicks?
01:22<fortax>sorry. i might of missed this part
01:22<interbird>urbinek: for next time, look at man rsync or some other backup tool
01:22<fortax>grml# dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
01:22<urbinek>interbird hmm in other words i'm in deep ass ... k, i'll try it from work
01:22<fortax>Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686)
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01:22<urbinek>interbird: i know, but backup is always needed when something goes wrong :D
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01:24<interbird>urbinek: a usb stick is soo cheap these days, and scripts are soo small; i know... it all comes down with 'discipline'... hard lessons...
01:24<fortax>grml# dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
01:24<fortax>Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686)
01:24<fortax>enouf: ^^^
01:24<interbird>urbinek: thats is a true statement
01:25<enouf>fortax: and show me output of cat /proc/mounts
01:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
01:25<interbird>urbinek: ext3 is fairly good documented; there are tools and ways; it will take time; maybe more that to rewrite them; if you rewrite them, changes are they will be better that they were... :-)
01:26<enouf>fortax: your /boot is NON-LVM, correct?
01:26<fortax>enouf yes
01:26<urbinek>interbird: i'm considering that xD i'll need to rewrite 5 or 8 scripts i've used
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01:26<urbinek>but they were loooong
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01:27<interbird>you see? scripts should not be that long
01:27<enouf>fortax: er .. you haven't yet bind mounted, nor chrooted?
01:27<interbird>now make them better, more modulair, and make a backup
01:28<enouf>fortax: gah, they
01:28<enouf>fortax: gah, they're mounted nodev,noexec ... gah
01:28<urbinek>interbird: they do a lot of stuff, i'll try to recover if not time to move :)
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01:29<fortax>where should i run 'cat /proc/mounts' from? inside the chroot or from grml?
01:30<fortax>i think the first one was from inside the chroot. the last one i just ran from grml
01:30<enouf>inside the chroot .. usually .. but it shouldn't matter .. IINM
01:30<interbird>urbinek: i've lost so many important scripts, and every time i rewrote them they got better; i learned about bash subroutines, etc; now a have a backup.
01:30<enouf>i see
01:30<fortax>maybe i should reboot and start over
01:30<interbird>It's a hard wy to learn; but fruitful
01:31<interbird>my condoleances
01:31<urbinek>hehe, thx
01:31<fortax>i swear i heard of a recovery tool for ext3
01:32<jm_>fortax: yes, ~carlo17 document explains it in detail
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01:33<fortax>enouf: so i'm reinstalling 2.6.26-2-686 right now
01:34<enouf>fortax: ok - makes sense actually - my bad - still .. they're being mounted nodev,noexec - that's a problem. so exit the chroot and umount them and pass each --bind mount the -o dev,exec as options
01:34<urbinek>k, thx guyz, i'm going for some breakfast and to work ~_~ cu
01:34<enouf>and this whole afs (another union fs) is freaking me out
01:35<fortax>enouf: so 'mount -o,dev exec /proc /mnt/myhdd/proc' ?
01:35<enouf>add --bind, or just list it in the options as bind
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01:36<enouf>the --bind is just shorthand fortax
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01:36<jgooch>Hi, is this the right channel to ask for help?
01:36<enouf>mount -o dev,exec,bind /proc /mnt/myhdd/proc
01:36<fortax>right 'mount --bind -o,dev exec /proc /mnt/myhdd/proc'
01:37<fortax>oh, and look at this
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01:37<interbird>we charge $100 per second
01:37<enouf>fortax: If you abort the installation, you should then move /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel (for instance as | | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686.kernel.old) and then try re-installing this image.
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01:38<enouf>fortax: try that
01:38<jgooch>Is it possible to set up grub on a software RAID1 array? I can't seem to get it working.
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01:39<fortax>enouf: crap. i accidently chose not to abort then Ctrl-C to stop it
01:39<interbird>raid1, what was that again? how many physical disks?
01:39<fortax>this is getting retarded
01:39<jgooch>I've got two 2TB disks in the array.
01:40<jgooch>It's mirroring.
01:40<fortax>sry. never messed with linux internals to this extent
01:40<interbird>bios raid ?
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01:40<enouf>fortax: you should consider booting grml with the nofstab option so you don't have all those other extraneous mounts
01:41<fortax>i'll try that on the next boot
01:41<enouf>but whatever
01:41<interbird>does grub see one or two disks ?
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01:41<jgooch>there are two in my
01:41<jgooch>/dev/sda /dev/sdb
01:42<fortax>enouf: so should i just reboot?
01:42<jgooch>LILO seems to be working, but I prefer grub.
01:42<fortax>me too
01:42<interbird>what hd-controller do you use ?
01:42<enouf>fortax: now you seem to have a cryptsetup issue
01:42<jgooch>I'm not familiar with the term 'hd-controller'.
01:43<enouf>and it can't find update-grub .. wait fortax
01:43<enouf>is your / FS mounted as well? the LVM?
01:43<interbird>and lilo works for you ?
01:43<fortax>enouf: i think so...
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01:43<interbird>hd-controller is the controller that controls your harddisks
01:43<fortax>enouf: yes it is
01:43<jgooch>Ah, I'm not sure which one it is.
01:44<fortax>is that wrong?
01:44<interbird>lspci will tell you what you use
01:44<fortax>it's wrong huh.
01:44<jgooch>It's a zotac board. I've never used them before.
01:44<jgooch>Ok, just a second
01:44<enouf>fortax: i'm just wondering if you need to bind mount that ,,,hrm... ive not messed with recovering LVM and cryptsetup stuffs prior
01:44<jgooch>The command lspci is not found :'(
01:44<enouf>!rescue mode
01:44<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see
01:45<fortax>so you think my problem is with GRUB?
01:45<enouf>fortax: see if can help at all - take a breather
01:45<urbinek>bath is beautifully
01:45<urbinek>math *
01:45<interbird>if lilo works, and you use mirroring, which means both disks are 'parallel', using grub will write the grub-code to both disks; like lilo was; but this is just an educated guess of mine
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01:46<jgooch>I think grub only gets installed to one of the disk's MBR IIRC.
01:46<interbird>why does setting-upgrub does not work ? does it give an error?
01:47<jgooch>I will get the error.
01:47<jgooch>It is from grub2.
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01:47<jgooch>normal grub gives a different code, I can try to get it too
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01:47<interbird>dunno about grub2, tried it on single disks, grub2 is still a work in progress; not "stable"
01:47*dr|z3d is running grub2.
01:48<dr|z3d>The upgrade for me was painless.
01:48<interbird>upgrade ?
01:48<interbird>grub2 is still in beta
01:49<dr|z3d>I upgraded it on an Ubu box.
01:49<jgooch>grub-setup: error: Core image is too big for embedding, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume.
01:49<jgooch>I just have it install at the moment because grub wasn't working.
01:49<jm_>jgooch: you can limit the number/list of modules to go in the image
01:49<enouf>jgooch: "jgooch> I think grub only gets installed to one of the disk's MBR IIRC." <-- it does in grub1 the trick is to alter so both /dev/sda AND /dev/sdb point to hd0
01:49<jgooch>I can stick to grub if it will help.
01:49<enouf>then install grub again to /dev/sdb
01:49<jgooch>I will try that, thank you.
01:50<interbird>an uprade is the replacement of a (redundant) version by a new version; replacing grub with grub2 is not 'upgrading'
01:50<interbird>it's "testing if it'll work"
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01:50<interbird>grub2 is not released and in beta
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01:51<interbird>also, grub2 might work for some but does not for most
01:51<enouf>jgooch: grub2 is very modular - you need to manually 'insmod <modulename>' in the grub shell and/or setup /etc/grub.conf and /etc/default/grub* correctly
01:51<interbird>i advise against grub2 for the time being
01:53<jgooch>I have made it so (hd0) is assigned to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb in my
01:53<enouf>well, for grub2 issues, atleast #grub on only deals with grub2 now, all support for legacy grub2 isn't supported there - though it's also only a dev channel
01:54<jgooch>It gives an error when I try grub-install
01:54<enouf>grub-install (hd0)/dev/sdb ?
01:54<enouf>is this grub1?
01:55<jgooch>Yes, I removed grub2 and installed grub1
01:55<jgooch>let me try that command
01:55<enouf>what's the error?
01:55<jgooch>I did 'grub-install /dev/sda'
01:55<jgooch>it says that (hd0) is defined multiple times in my device map
01:55<jgooch>I think I did it wrong.
01:55<jgooch>I just defined hd0 twice
01:56<jgooch>I will try your command.
01:57<jgooch>it also has an error. syntax error near unexpected token 'hd0'
01:58<jgooch>I've only got CLI here. Let me SSH in through my windows box upstairs and I'll be able to get errors faster
01:58<jm_>the syntax is grub-install /dev/sdb or '(hd0)' but not both
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01:59<interbird>root (hdn[,m]) -- this is where it expects it's files
02:00<interbird>setup (hd0,[n]) -- that is were the grub boot-code will be installed
02:00<interbird>sometimes a symlink in /boot to inself is needed
02:00<enouf>is where i got that info
02:00<interbird>cd /boot
02:01<interbird>ln -sf . boot
02:02<jgooch>well let me tell you the error I get when I try grub-install with everything default
02:02<jgooch>maybe it will help
02:02<enouf>jgooch: you need the grub shell, not grub-install
02:02<enouf>just fire up grub
02:03<interbird>note that grub does not see things like when linux is booted; it just knows about devices (hd0) and is able to access filesystems to read files like kernels
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02:03<jgooch>oh ok
02:03<jgooch>I am reading that page you linked.
02:03<enouf>grub shell even has find and cat , etc
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02:03<jgooch>I've been googling this for a few days, haven't been able to figure it out on my own
02:04<interbird>grub is very powerful; if you can boot it, you can experiment "on-the-fly" with it
02:04<jgooch>I get 'The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.' when everything is default
02:04<jgooch>and I run grub-install
02:04<enouf>jgooch: this is for typical manual grub shell installations , just to show use of find
02:04<interbird>start grub
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02:04<interbird>you get a prompt
02:05<enouf>stop running grub-install!
02:05<jm_>the grub emulator is started via grub-emu for grub2 (not grub like previously)
02:05<jgooch>well I am thoroughly confused.. can we start from the beginning?
02:05<interbird>are we talking about grub or grub2 ?
02:06<jgooch>I've got grub1 install now as per suggestions earlier
02:06<jgooch>I'm willing to just forget about grub2 if it's in beta
02:06<interbird>are we talking about grub or grub2 ?
02:06<enouf>just read and comprehend the last 2 URLs i posted - they're fairly simple and straight forward - absorb, comprehend
02:06<jgooch>I just tried it since regular grub wasn't working
02:07<jgooch>I understand, but the first link seems to be for when you already have grub running
02:07<sney>when grub isn't working and you can't figure it out there's always the simple option: lilo
02:07<jgooch>I'm getting a lot of advice coming from different people which is confusing me
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02:07<interbird>grub does not run; it loads
02:07<jm_>jgooch: no, it's for installing grub
02:07<jgooch>I should have said "working"
02:07<enouf>jgooch: type 'grub' in even an xterm
02:07<interbird>a running grub, like the grub command in linux, just lets you configure it
02:08<jgooch>I know that.
02:08<interbird>but you have to know 2 things
02:08<interbird>where is the grub menu.list and the stage files; this is your (root)
02:08<enouf>jgooch: you see this?
02:09<jgooch>yes when I type grub that works
02:09<interbird>and where do you want to install the grub boot code (this can be the MBR but also a LBR) (linked)
02:09<enouf>carry on
02:09<jgooch>I don't really care where it goes. I want it to be usable by both disks though.
02:09<interbird>nou do: root (hd... press tab)
02:10<interbird>you will see your divices enumberated
02:10<interbird>not the dots
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02:10<jgooch>lol I just get whitespace when I press tab
02:11<interbird>root (hd then press tab
02:11<jgooch>yes I do that
02:11<jgooch>but just whitespace
02:11<interbird>** this grub stuff can make things unbootable -- make sure you know what you are doing **
02:12<interbird>no devices ?
02:12<jgooch>i don't have anything on this system I can't replace so I don't mind if it bricks my drive
02:12<interbird>no devices ?
02:12<jgooch>my has two devices in it
02:12<interbird>type help
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02:13<enouf>jgooch: that URL abount mirroring RAID presumes your sda failed
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02:13<interbird>there is a "devices" command or something like that; it will show the devices grub found
02:13<interbird> is not needed by grub; in live-grub, type help
02:14<jgooch>i get a list of commands
02:14<enouf>and allows you to install to sdb, which becomes hd0 only *if* sda fails fatally - that's wwhy i said read, absorb -- just use sdb as hd1 in
02:15<jgooch>there is no devices command listed
02:15<interbird>type root (hd ad then press the tab-key
02:15<jgooch>i get whitespace
02:16<interbird>what are you on? chroot, virtual?
02:16<jgooch>I don't know what either of those are.
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02:16<jgooch>I just installed this on my 'server' box.
02:16<enouf>The reason why the grub shell gives you the device map file is that it cannot guess the map between BIOS drives and OS devices correctly in some environments. For example, if you exchange the boot sequence between IDE and SCSI in your BIOS, it gets the order wrong. Thus, edit the file if the grub shell makes a mistake. You can put any comments in the file if needed, as the grub shell assumes that a line is just a comment if the first character
02:16<jgooch>Trying to set up a fileserver
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02:17<interbird>to your knowledge, should grub be able tofind a harddisk ?
02:17<jgooch>.. I don't see why not
02:17<interbird>so do i (see why not)
02:17<jgooch>I have two of them in the system
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02:18<interbird>if grub does not see any devices than installing grub on a device is kinda hard...
02:18<enouf>you can also try the --recheck option, but i think that only avail to grub-install ,,gah
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02:20<enouf>interbird: funny, grub shell launched here in an xterm acts funnily too - when doing root (hd[tab] it just jumps to the next line with no changes :-p
02:20<enouf>but - hrm .. grub-common is also installed - which is grub2 ish .. i wonder if ..
02:20<interbird>jgooch: i'm in the dark; from the grub-prompt, devices should be visible; dunno why this is not the case with you
02:21<enouf>~$ which grub
02:21<enouf>~$ /usr/sbin/grub --version
02:21<enouf>grub (GNU GRUB 0.97)
02:21<enouf>oh well, guess not :-p
02:21<interbird>enouf: strang indeed;i just started it and it shows my hd's
02:21<interbird>time for grub2 ? (:-)
02:22<jgooch>I think bed is in order right now.
02:22<jgooch>I'll resume trying tomorrow.
02:22<enouf>interbird: i do have my 1st HDD in slot hdb, which is a reiserfs but has no partition table .. i wonder if it's freaking grub out - hdc is my main drive
02:22<interbird>sometimes that is all that is needed... :-)
02:22<jgooch>thanks for the help everyone though
02:22<enouf>interbird: hda is my DVDRW
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02:23<interbird>enouf: hda your dvdrw? not hdc?
02:23<enouf>even fdisk and friends have a fit over that Not a valid partition table ! ...hehe
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02:23<interbird>interesting hd-mingle...
02:24<enouf>interbird: it just ended up that way ... don't ask how/why - but my main disk is still a Master device -- /dev/hdc is SM
02:24<interbird>enouf: still grub should recognize the first harddisk as (hd0) and discard all dvd-cdrom stuff
02:24<enouf>i used to have a cdrw in hdb, but i needed to replace it with another HDD for space
02:25<interbird>enouf: what are your dev-nodes in /dev ? this means that hdc has a dev-node conforming to a hd ?
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02:25<interbird>and /dev/hda has a dev-node conforming to a dvd ?
02:25<interbird>udev-rules ?
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02:26<enouf>i told you - it's the no partition table thing - grub doesn't like that :-P
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02:27<non_dumb>enouf: you were helping me with my chroot sessions. there was a link about crypto right before i got disconnected.
02:27<interbird>enouf: that is the contents of; what does ls -la /dev/hda say? and ls -la /dev/hdc ? what are the dev-node numbers ?
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02:28<enouf> interbird
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02:30<interbird>enouf: it seems correct... it says your hda is 3,0 which is hda; still.. this is your dvd?
02:30<enouf>you want major/minor? cat /proc/partitions then as well :-p
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02:30<interbird>brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 0 2009-06-18 17:20 /dev/hda
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02:30<interbird>brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2009-06-18 17:20 /dev/hdc
02:31<interbird>ls -la
02:31<enouf>i _could_ and likely will soon mv the data off hdb (hd0) and then repartition it properly and mkfs and see if anything in grub shell changes
02:31<bb|[^b]{2}>hello I'm a debian user but i had to install ubuntu of my laptop, so i get some troubles configuring my network interfaces, the ubuntu channel can't help me so it's because I'm here..
02:31<enouf>i'll let you know when i do - and the results
02:31<interbird>enouf: what does fdisk -l say and mount -l ?
02:32<bb|[^b]{2}>can I ask here?
02:32<interbird>enouf: this is no grubbie problem
02:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
02:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
02:32<interbird>bb|[^b]{2}: ok
02:33<bb|[^b]{2}>I see
02:33<interbird>bb|[^b]{2}: diffucult nick to type; glad tab-competion works; just ask your quistion
02:34<enouf>interbird: yes it is a grubber issuew
02:34<bb|[^b]{2}>I configures my wifi with wpa_supplicant and not the NetworkManager and need an applet that works independent of this unlike nm-applet to monitor the signal strength of my wifi connection
02:35<interbird>enouf: well, your /dev/hda seems to be 3,0; a harddisk; maybe some symlinks are mixed-up ? (just a wild guess)
02:35<enouf>interbird: the MBR on /dev/hdb is all 0s
02:35<enouf>interbird: but i assure you it's occupado .. want me to mount it and show you?
02:35<interbird>enouf: ok, what would your hdb be? what is the dev-node number ?
02:36<interbird>bb|[^b]{2}: dunno, does the wifi icon in gnome not helpyou ?
02:37<interbird>enouf: no
02:37<interbird>enouf: what does fdisk -l /dev/hdb say ?
02:37<bb|[^b]{2}>interbird, the gnome applet use NetworkManager service with I disabled
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02:39<interbird>enouf: hdb seems mounted; it's a disk; what does vol_id /dev/hda1 say ? and vol_id /dev/hdc1 ?
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02:39<enouf>you've seen fdisk l output already
02:39<interbird>bb|[^b]{2}: what do you want to accomplish ?
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02:40<enouf>hda is my DVDRW it won;t say anything
02:40<enouf>there is no hda1
02:40<enouf>interbird: it's (/dev/hdb) mounted NOW because i just mounted it to show you there's a FS and data on it
02:41<enouf>hdb == hd0, hdv == hd1, hdd == hd2
02:41<bb|[^b]{2}>interbird, an independent applet that just monitor the signal strength of my wifi connection and do no configurations
02:41<interbird>enouf: hda is not your dvdrw, the /dev/hda dev-node sais it's not; maybe udev-problem? try /etc/init.d/udev restart and in the worst case; just reboot. If it is still like this then i\'m interested in solving... :-)
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02:42<interbird>i know reboot is not done
02:42<enouf>interbird: what on EARTH are you talking about?
02:42<interbird>but sometimes one has to start from the beginning
02:42<enouf>i've rebooted many times too many my friend - am not rebooting now
02:42<interbird>enouf: about your device-mappings...
02:43<enouf>i just proved /dev/hda IS my DVDRW
02:43<enouf>seen the udevinfo and sysfs output? what's the matter with you?
02:43<interbird>still ls -la /dev/hda says it's 3,0 -- is that the devnode for a dvdrw ?
02:44<enouf>interbird: seen the dmesg | grep ATAPI output?
02:44<enouf>are you selectively missing posts?
02:44<enouf>~$ sdparm -a /dev/hda | pi
02:44<enouf>Your paste URL is:
02:44<enouf>read /Documentation/devices.txt
02:45<enouf>it's the 1st IDE Drive
02:45<interbird>sorry missed that one; not selectively though...
02:45<interbird>enouf: but do all things work ?
02:46<enouf>ofcourse - except grub shell :-P
02:46<enouf>i play and burn CDs and DVDs in hda all the time with mplayer ..etc etc
02:46<interbird>enouf: don't be offended by me suggesting a reboot, please
02:46<enouf>i don't understand why you think something is wrong
02:47<enouf>interbird: truist me - i know this system
02:47<enouf>i know the BIOS inside and out
02:47<interbird>i thought you thought so
02:47<enouf>interbird: what exactly do you think is wrong/incorrect?
02:47<enouf>the Major Minor?
02:48<interbird>nothing, besides your /dev/hda posing as a harddisk ?
02:48<enouf> interbird
02:48<enouf>~$ ls -l /dev/hd*
02:48<enouf>brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 0 2009-05-23 07:00 /dev/hda
02:49<enouf>interbird: WHERE is it posing as a HDD?
02:49<interbird>3,0 dev-no
02:49<enouf>wtf is dev-no? device number?
02:50<enouf> 196 0 = /dev/hda Master: whole disk (or CD-ROM)
02:50<enouf>are you blind?
02:50<enouf>or just looney?
02:50<enouf>196 is the line number :-p
02:50*enouf gives up
02:51<enouf>3 block First MFM, RLL and IDE hard disk/CD-ROM interface
02:51<enouf> 0 = /dev/hda Master: whole disk (or CD-ROM)
02:51<interbird>interbird: it just ended up that way ... don't ask how/why - but my main disk is still a Master device -- /dev/hdc is SM
02:51*enouf grabs some whiskey -- thought i was helping someone :-(
02:52<enouf>interbird: my Main disk meaning my / is on hdc
02:52<enouf>and hda and hdc are BOTH Master devices
02:52<enouf>hda == DVDRW - hdc == / FS
02:52<enouf>hda == DVDRW - hdc == / FS on HDD
02:52<interbird>yeah, sorry, it just ended up that way for you; beter because it's not default
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02:52<enouf>i told you how it did as well
02:53<enouf>hdb USED to have a CDRW in it's slot, but i needed more HDD space
02:53<interbird>i thought you were wondering why it ended up this way for you
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02:53<interbird>no, bety boop
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02:54<interbird>no shit
02:54<enouf>when hda and hdb were both Optical drives, 1st HDD was hdc == hd0
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02:54<interbird>half an hour and no problem, that is what i call cool
02:54<interbird>it's enouf :-)
02:56<dpkg>Cut it out!
02:56<interbird>!shutup dpkg
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02:59<enouf>interbird: ahh .,. when i said ".. don't ask how/why " i meant i didn't want to have to explain it .. hahaha
02:59<debam>enouf, jm_ is there any compiled source/binary debian Koha package
03:00<enouf>interbird: and "Master device -- /dev/hdc is SM" <- SM === Secondary Master
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03:00<enouf>judd: versions koha
03:00<judd>enouf: koha --
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03:01<interbird>i stand corrected with enouf energie
03:01<enouf>all i see is;
03:01<enouf>~$ apt-cache search koha
03:01<enouf>id3tool - Command line editor for id3 tags
03:01<enouf>and i have main contrib non-free and dmm
03:02<debam>enouf, judd but this is not main koha package what i require.
03:02<interbird>never explain yourself; it always makes things less cool
03:03<non_dumb>this is the text from my boot. that's where my boot stops at the end there. i'll read the rescue page from the wiki and see if there is anything relevant.
03:03<enouf>debam: judd is a bot - you can search yourself though
03:03<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
03:04<debam>enouf, i have searched in there is no koha package
03:04<enouf>debam: then unless you find some non-official repo offering it, the answer is no
03:05<enouf>debam: what is it? and how big is it?
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03:05<enouf>debam: do you want to compile it? from upstream?
03:06<debam>enouf, yes but it is giving error
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03:06<enouf>debam: well .. not sure i can help without much more info
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03:06<mihkel>Hi. I'm trying to compile 2.6.30 on Debian Squeeze. Since CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated, I did not compile it as module. But in order to use my iptables script, I need to have connection tracking in kernel. In dmesg, i see:
03:06<mihkel>CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use
03:06<mihkel>nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel paramater, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or
03:06<mihkel>sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it.
03:06<mihkel>can't load conntrack support for proto=2
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03:07<enouf>like answers to start, then errors and which debian version you're using and if you have build-essential make etc installed
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03:07<mihkel>So I tried all 3 those sugestions, but every time I got response, which goes something like this: unknown option... ignoring.
03:07<mihkel>So how can I use my firewall script with 2.6.30?
03:07<mihkel>And sorry for the flood :)
03:07<enouf>mihkel: is it a module?
03:07<mihkel>I did no compile it as module
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03:08<mihkel>because it supposed to be deprecated since 2.6.29
03:08<enouf>well .. then hrm have you placed nf_conntrack.acct=1 on your kernel line?
03:09<enouf>tried acct=2 ? or proto=2 as well? no idea about what the internals are with that one
03:09<mihkel>well I did not try those, because dmesg did not mention them
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03:09<enouf>mihkel: in older kernels, try modinfo <modulename> to see parms
03:09<mihkel>only: Please use
03:09<mihkel>nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel paramater, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or
03:09<mihkel>sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it.
03:10<interbird>is it not better to adjust your script ?
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03:10<enouf>have you tried in /etc/sysctl.conf a line like;
03:10<mihkel>enouf, yes. I tried all those 3 sugestions
03:11<enouf>well, i think the last 2 there are concerning if it was =m
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03:20<enouf>mihkel: i'm lost - i was poking about here, but can't seem to find any relevant changes, i wonder if this is debian patch related? did you use or debian sources?
03:20<enouf>er here;
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03:21<enouf>hrm, my Debian kernel has =y anyway
03:21<enouf>~$ grep CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT /boot/config-2.6.29-2-686
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03:27<Tuplad>if I want to switch from lenny to squueze, is there anything else I have to do besides changing sources.list
03:27<jm_>yes, you need to do dist-upgrade
03:27<jm_>and apt* update first
03:27<petern>see topic
03:27<enouf> /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
03:28<petern>oh, no, that covers etch->lenny, oops :)
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03:34<interbird>i would not mind if testing was renamed to evergreen; with testing and the next stable name as an alias
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03:39*enouf prefers ferns and conifers :-P
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03:52<hajoucha>I need to replace now_loaded_and_used module 3w9xxx with a newer version without reboot. Is that possible?
03:52<Tuplad>jm_: so change sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, then apt-get upgrade ?
03:52<hajoucha>that is - somehow tell the kernel to temporarily use only ram :) , remove 3w9xxx, load 3w9xxx_new and tell kernel it can use disk again....
03:53<jm_>Tuplad: yes, although final upgrade is usually noyt needed
03:53<jm_>hajoucha: depends, if you have / on disks managed by that module forget it, then some modules can't be unloaded
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03:54<mihkel>enouf, I use vanilla from In Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt is said that since 2.6.29 CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated
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03:55<mihkel>Why: Accounting can now be enabled/disabled without kernel recompilation. Currently used only to set a default value for a feature that is also controlled by a kernel/module/sysfs/sysctl parameter.
03:55<hajoucha>jm_: the actual situation is slightly different - I have / on another (sata) disk, but 3w9xxx is used by scsi_mod (using: sbp2,sd_mod,libata,3w_9xxx).
03:55<mihkel>But it does not seem to work, or I am doing something wrong. Thats what I want to find out
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03:58<DonAlex>Morning All..
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03:58<DonAlex>Just looking for some advice from a SCSI guru. Am I right in thinking I can plug more than 2 LVD Ultra2 Devices into a LVD U160 bus?
04:00<jm_>hajoucha: try unmounting and removing the module
04:01<hajoucha>jm_: you mean unmounting / ?
04:02<hajoucha>jm_: no other disk space is mounted.
04:02<jm_>hajoucha: well then try removing it
04:03<hajoucha>jm_: # rmmod 3w_9xxx
04:03<hajoucha>ERROR: Module 3w_9xxx is in use
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04:05<hajoucha>lsmodgrep 3w
04:05<hajoucha>3w_9xxx 34948 3
04:05<hajoucha>scsi_mod 160760 4 sbp2,sd_mod,libata,3w_9xxx
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04:06<hajoucha>the space on that 3ware controller is not mounted.
04:07<hajoucha>but it might be the case that lvm is somehow active nevertheless.... or not?
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04:19<jm_>hajoucha: yes
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04:24<hajoucha>jm_: how do I deactivate lvm ?
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04:29<Desiac>i'm trying to install squeeze on my mac book, i am attempting dual boot osx using refit. i get to the initial boot screen and select install, the installer loads for me to select my language and the keyboard/mouse doesn't work. i rebooted, selected expert install, same thing, then graphical ... still same problem. a lil googleing and i found the debian wiki and the macbook section
04:30<Desiac>where is suggested passing "install noapic irqpoll acpi=force" as install parameters, still no luck, and i dont have a usb k/b, anyone have any ideas :)
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04:31<Administrator>Lo I usually use a netboot disc when installing servers but I've only got CD1 to hand... can I do a -similar- install? if yes... which options are best to get the same result?
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04:31<Administrator>maybe "Standard System" and no Desktop ?
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04:37<mhymn>Administrator: i think so, though you can always update packages or upgrade too
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04:39<jm_>hajoucha: I have no idea about that
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04:39<jm_>Administrator: yeah just don't install anything at the end
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04:40<hajoucha>jm_: ok :)
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04:53<Administrator>jm_, so not even standard system?
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04:56<lantizia>< same guy... jm_, ?
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05:09<hajoucha>jm_: :) well... I risked reboot and it went well. :)
05:09<jm_>lantizia: yes
05:09<jm_>Administrator: up to you
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05:15<hajoucha>how do I get java to debian stable?
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05:16<dr|z3d>hajoucha: apt-cache search jre should help.
05:17<dr|z3d>sun-java6-jre is probably what you want.
05:18<hajoucha>dr|z3d: thanks, but that is not included in standard apt sources list, right?
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05:18<hajoucha>dr|z3d: I mean - in the "main" section....
05:19<dr|z3d>apt-cache will tell you what's available in your repositories.
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05:22<hajoucha>dr|z3d: yes, I have searched for sun-java6 without success
05:23<simNIX>have you got nonfree in you apt/sources ?
05:25<hajoucha>simNIX: no, that is what I am askig for - is it in nonfree ?
05:25<simNIX>with that in I can add sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk sun-j2sdk1.6 sun-j2re1.6
05:25<hajoucha>simNIX: ok, super, thank you.
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05:26<jm_>some bits are in non-free and some are in contrib
05:26<fane>quero follar algo
05:26<fane>alguna puta española
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05:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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05:31<bremner>hajoucha: openjdk-6 is in main, and works pretty well for most things
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05:33<hajoucha>bremner: I see, ok. My main concern is installation of some 3ware sw for watching raid. The installer brings its own java runtime, but it is terribly slow and fails at the end my idea was to install java on system and try again...
05:34<hajoucha>bremner: now I am trying with 3ware java, but if it fails, I am going to try openjdk
05:34<bremner>maybe somebody else can verify openjdk is in lenny, I'm on a sid system right now.
05:34<simNIX>denk rond
05:34<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
05:34<hajoucha>bremner: will look ..
05:34<simNIX>ho - wrong window
05:35<hajoucha>bremner: yes, confirmed. Openjdk is in main.
05:35<bremner>hajoucha: ok, I'd give it a try, I use it on several machines, but only for one or two programs
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05:56<tki>hey guys! debian rulezzz!
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06:05<Supaplex>!start a distro war
06:05<dpkg>methinks start a distro war is Debian Rulz
06:05<Supaplex>no bias there. :D
06:06<locklace>!start a pillow war
06:06<dpkg>start a pillow war is, like, * SerajewelKS sticks an ubuntu flag out of his fort and readies for battle
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06:21<css91>hay alguien ahi??
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06:30<Woet>I do not trust the output of /proc/cpuinfo, is there any way to confirm/verify the CPU type and speed?
06:31<locklace>Woet: dmesg | grep CPU
06:31<Supaplex>ship it to me. I'll let you know what it is.
06:31<debianite>open the case!
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06:33<Woet>thank you
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06:33<debianite>Woet: or boot from sysrescuecd and run one of the utilities to get cpu info.
06:33<Supaplex>ship it to me. I'll let you know what it is.
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07:15<gN__Eterm>one question my ttys wont open when i press crtl + alt + F2,F3, whatever, can someone know why?
07:16<Bunnyh>You are stuck on an X display?
07:17<jm_>vt switch can be disabled, perha's it's that
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07:17<hajoucha>or you are at console already. In that case only alt+F2.. shoud work.
07:18<jm_>but ctrl+alt would still work
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07:21<inglor>Hey all, I got a problem with latest nvidia drivers on sid (version 185.18.14). When I try to run a 3D application with wine it says my drivers are old. (tested on Eve online and WoW with wine)
07:22<inglor>Since the drivers released on 5 June I am assuming they are missing something to inform that the current drivers are the latest?
07:22<jm_>it might also be a wine issue
07:23<inglor>Yeah could be using the wineHQ version (wine-1.1.23)
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07:23<jm_>so not wine from debian?
07:25<inglor>Well tried with both, same results.
07:25<jm_>but it works with older nvidia drivers?
07:26<onur>I am using wine from Debian experimental repository with 180.44 nvidia driver. It is working fine.
07:26<inglor>yeah worked fine with 180 ones.
07:26<inglor>nvidia dlinux driver 180 release on 1 June. And 185 on 05 June.
07:27<inglor>onur: don't update yet :P
07:27<jm_>did you check bts?
07:27<inglor>bts ?
07:27<themill>!btssmite inglor
07:27*dpkg beats inglor around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if inglor is running testing or unstable
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07:29<cahoot>then repetition would be redundant
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07:34<inglor>So is there a way to downgrade to 180? testing repository has 173 version :S
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07:36<onur>inglor: how did you install drivers?
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07:37<inglor>I followed the guide from (module assistant + aptitude install )
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07:39<onur>you can remove nvidia packages
07:41<inglor>Ok but then I need nvidia-glx-180 package to install it. Sid repository has 185 one and testing 173) Is there somewhere I can find 180 version packages?
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07:42<jm_>inglor: you can find 180 on sdn (/msg dpkg sdn)
07:43<onur>you need to build packages
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07:46<inglor>ok first time for me this, can someone give some tips for building it?
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07:46<jm_>just grab nvidia source package, unpack it, cd into the dir, do debuild -uc -us -b
07:46<jm_>as in debian source package
07:47<onur>this is a little different
07:47<onur>first checkout the repository with $ svn co svn:// nvidia-graphic-drivers-180.44
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07:51<inglor>ok done I got the snapshot
07:51<onur>after than download nvidia drivers and put those files to our nvidia-graphics-drivers-180.44 directory: and
07:52<jm_>why bother when it's all in debian ...
07:53<inglor>onur: I think I got the procedure since it's non-free (we use part of nvidia files and tools to make debian packages) correct ?
07:54<onur>we are using debian tools for making package with nvidia's non-free drivers
07:54<inglor>(I wonder how you realise I am using amd64) :)
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07:55<hajoucha>is there a freenx server package for debian lenny amd64 ?
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08:02<jm_>hajoucha: try this
08:02<hajoucha>jm_: thanks!
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08:08<gN__Eterm>hajoucha, im in X
08:08<gN__Eterm>but i only can access to tty1 crtl + alt F1
08:09<gN__Eterm>the other ones i cant :S
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08:10<hajoucha>gN__Eterm: hm, I dont know what is causing it. Did you change the default configuration?
08:10<jm_>gN__Eterm: then those ttys might not be enabled
08:10<gN__Eterm>jm_, thats what i think, how can i check or re-enable
08:10<abrotman>look in /etc/inittab
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08:11<jm_>gN__Eterm: yes check inittab
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08:11<abrotman>or just use the one console + screen
08:11<gN__Eterm>mmm i changed to init:5:
08:11<jm_>also look for running gettys
08:11<abrotman>gN__Eterm: why?
08:11<jm_>what for?
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08:11<abrotman>this isn't RH/Fedora
08:11<gN__Eterm>idk i thought that was fedora
08:11<gN__Eterm>jejeje yeah
08:11<gN__Eterm>well i will put 2 again
08:11<gN__Eterm>i needed to install my video drivers
08:12<abrotman>well, that makes perfect sense </sarcasm>
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08:12<gN__Eterm>jejejeje abrotman
08:12<gN__Eterm>well anyway i iwll change it and bring it back
08:12<gN__Eterm>come back soon
08:12<gN__Eterm>in tty if all is good
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08:14<Jimmy89>hey guys
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08:14<Jimmy89>I am having trouble getting my D-Link DWL-G510 rev c2 to appear in debian
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08:15<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
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08:15<bremner>Jimmy89: that is a router?
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08:16<gN__Eterm>okey guys
08:16<Jimmy89>no pci wireless card
08:16<gN__Eterm>all good now
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08:16<gN__Eterm>thx jm_, and abrotman
08:16<Jimmy89>ralink chipset
08:16<cahoot>Jimmy89: find its pciid
08:16<gN__Eterm>no gtg to work
08:16<bremner>Jimmy89: !ralink
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08:16<dpkg>Ralink is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer. Drivers for most Ralink chipsets are present in mainline kernels, ask me about <rt2x00> and <ralink firmware>. For 802.11 draft-n devices, ask me about <rt2860> (PCI), <rt2870> (USB) or <rt3070> (USB) instead.
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08:18<Jimmy89>on that list it says RT61 driver
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08:21<jm_>Jimmy89: find its PCI ID and we can ask the bot here for the right driver
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08:22<jm_>lspci -nn
08:22<jm_>(ID is in form [1234:5678]
08:23<jm_>judd pciid 1814:0202
08:23<judd>jm_: [1814:0202] is 'Unknown device' from 'RaLink' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
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08:27<jm_>Jimmy89: right that's manufacturer's driver
08:28<jm_>but that page doesn't list device with ID 0202
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08:29<stuckey>I'm getting this error when I try to remove a file: Stale NFS file handle
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08:30<themill>judd doesn't (yet) know about out-of-tree modules. As soon as I can find a sensible way of teaching it, I will.
08:30<judd>themill: Error: "doesn't" is not a valid command.
08:30<Jimmy89>well the card is definatley a D-Link DWL-G510 rev c2
08:30<themill>shaddup judd
08:30<Jimmy89>which should be a rt61 chipset
08:31<Jimmy89>question is how do I get it to be detected
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08:34<cozminsky>Jimmy89, so it doesn't show in lspci?
08:34<cahoot>Jimmy89: tried update-pciids?
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08:36<themill>cahoot: judd already has the latest pciid map from update-pciids; that's also orthogonal to the kernel module picking up the card
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08:37<Jimmy89>update-pciids seems to be taking a while
08:37<gsimmons>Jimmy89: Are you sure the device code is 0202? Both revision C1 and C2 have 0302 of that device have stated, AFAICT.
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08:38<gsimmons>s/of that device have/for that device/
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08:39<Jimmy89>1814:0202 is what it is tellin gme
08:39<stuckey>Anyone know why I might be getting an error that says "Stale NFS file handle" when I try to delte a file?
08:39<gsimmons>Jimmy89: Care to pastebin that somewhere? (lspci -nn)
08:40<Jimmy89>yep I can in a minute
08:40<Jimmy89>just rebooting that machine
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08:41<Jimmy89>I rebooted and it says 0302 at the end now
08:42<Jimmy89>seems to have also detected wlan0 now
08:42<themill>judd pciid 1814:0302
08:42<judd>themill: [1814:0302] is 'RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g' from 'RaLink' with kernel module 'rt61pci' in lenny. See also
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08:42<gsimmons>Jimmy89: You'll need firmware for that driver; /msg dpkg ralink firmware
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08:44<Jimmy89>yep I installed that
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08:46<lukas2511>hey guys
08:46<lukas2511>some xorg experts here ?
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08:46<locklace>!tell lukas2511 about ask
08:47<lope>i have some junk at the end of my bash script so i need the script to exit at an earlier point. however, i can't use "exit" because this would quit the shell whenever i sourced my script, so how do i isolate the junk at the end of the script without commenting out each line?
08:48<jm_>lope: try return instead of exit
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08:49<lukas2511>I have two screens on my notebook (internal + external) and i want the first screen to react only on internal keyboard and mouse and the second screen to react only on usb mouse and usb keyboard. I know that there is a way to add this to xorg.conf but i dont know exactly how to do this. So can someone tell me what to write into my xorg.conf ?
08:50<lope>jm_: thank you. i thought "return" worked only for functions.
08:52<jm_>heh that sounds the opposite of what people usually want
08:52<lukas2511>i want this to split my notebook into two "workstations"
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08:53<jm_>wouldn't it then be easier to star ttwo X servers?
08:53<themill>I suspect that would be required
08:53<lukas2511>yeah but i need this information for this, too
08:53<lukas2511>i know that it is possible to add keyboards and mouses to xorg.conf and connect them to a screen section
08:53<jm_>sure, you can specify input devices via /dev/input in xorg.conf - mosue is even easier
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08:54<Jimmy89>what is the best way to manage wireless networks in debian?
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08:54<lukas2511>so my idea is about adding 2 screen sections, 2 keyboard, 2 mouse and then connect them
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08:54<themill>lukas2511: You'll need two ServerLayout sections and then start a second X instance specifying the second serverlayout
08:54<jm_>yes, you can specify two layout sections and then you can tell X server which one to use at runtime
08:54*jm_ successfuly read themill's mind
08:54<themill>Jimmy89: network-manager is the most common, a lot of people seem to like wicd too
08:55<themill>Jimmy89: /msg dpkg wireless connection manager
08:55<lukas2511>this wouldnt be the problem but i need the information about telling xorg which mouse / keyboard to use
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08:55<jm_>lukas2511: i just told you, by their respective device files
08:55<inglor>Jimmy89: wicd for my preferance, network-manager had a bug about 2 weeks ago managed to stuck my pc on every boot (kernel panic)
08:55<lukas2511>yeah but how to say that in xorg.conf ?
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08:56<lukas2511>okay i found something about telling xorg which mouse to use
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08:57<jm_>use evdev driver - man evdev
08:58<Jimmy89>my next challenge is to get software raid 5 working :)
08:58<lukas2511>can i use /dev/input/by-path/* in my xorg.conf ? cause there i can see which is usb and which ist internal
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08:59<jm_>lukas2511: you have my permission
08:59<lukas2511>oh.. that are links ^^ sry didnt see first ^^
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09:00<Jimmy89>is there anyway for me to get the system to bootup without entering a password
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09:00<Jimmy89>because most of the time I will be using it as a fileserver without kb/mouse/screen etc
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09:01<lukas2511>Jimmy89, you dont need to login to use a debian computer as fileserver
09:01<Jimmy89>oh awesome
09:01<Jimmy89>so samba etc should still be running in the background?
09:01<lukas2511>its a daemon
09:02<Jimmy89>anyone know much about setting up a raid5 using mdadm?
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09:02<jm_>Jimmy89: man mdadm has examples
09:03<jm_>also check /usr/share/doc/mdadm/
09:03<jm_>and other files in there
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09:21<popeye>Hi does anyone know how to make ATI ac97 sound work with lenny ?
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09:38<alys>I am installing lenny and I have installed 'standard system'. Do I install xorg as in etch? There I typed 'apt-get install xserver -xorg-core xorg' but I cannot find instructions for lenny. Thank you.
09:40<locklace>alys: "aptitude install xorg"
09:40<alys>thanks a lot - I appreciate that help.
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09:42<Jimmy89>what do you guys recommend for remote management?
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09:43<Jimmy89>sorry talking about remote desktop
09:43<SlimeyPete>vnc, rdp, x-forwarding
09:43<SlimeyPete>any of the above
09:43<Jimmy89>would all the above work without logging in on the physical machine.
09:44<SlimeyPete>I've heard good things about freenx
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09:44<SlimeyPete>Jimmy89: x-forwarding will. Not sure about VNC.
09:45<SlimeyPete>I think RDP does
09:46<Jimmy89>I will play around with those at some point
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09:56<Jimmy89>great... I changed resolution and now i can't see the screen
09:56<locklace>we'd offer to help you, but you wouldn't be able to see it anyway, so never mind
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09:57<Jimmy89>lol indeed
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10:10<flo_>wer kann deutsch?
10:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:20<pbn>Hi, the current weekly-build of Debian "squeeze" has a major problem: it doesn't detect hard drives, it drops me to a screen where it asks for the IDE/SCSI controller.... any of you noticed that ?
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10:22<adb>pbn: i just responded to you ..
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10:23<abrotman>pbn: why not use the lenny instlaler then upgrade?
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10:28<bremner>anyone know how to tell arora what to open e.g. pdf files with? "clicking open" in the download box doesn't seem to do anything.
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10:36<FoxM>Hi. I am using debian squeeze with non-free nvidia drivers and KDE4, but some windows background like Konsole's are all messed and garbled. I think it is an issue with the drivers because the 'nv' drivers work fine. Can I install the sid version of the nvidia driver without 'upgrading' the whole system?
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10:47<tech13>getting a segfault in a php script that looks like it is happening in Is there a handly write-up of how to submit a bug report about it?
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10:49<inglor>FoxM: which version of nvidia you use now ?
10:50<FoxM>inglor 173.14.18
10:51<inglor>I read in nvidia forums that 180 version should solve most problems.
10:51<inglor>sid version however is 185.18.14 (which for me has some problems on wine 3D applications)
10:52<inglor>I don't have kde4 to tell you if I have the same problems with 185.18.14 drivers.
10:52<FoxM>inglor: I know... I read the changelog in the nvidia site, that's why I want to upgrade the drivers
10:53<Jimmy89>It seems I have created my raid5 array
10:53<inglor>I would recomment 180.xx not 185.xx
10:53<Jimmy89>but how do I mount it 0_0
10:53<ml|>FoxM: try #debian-kde
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10:53<FoxM>inglor: Is it safe to install it? and How do I install it?
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10:53<FoxM>ml|: good idea... let me see
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10:56<bkc>Hi, Is any one using the Debian on platform Openmoko (FreeRunner) ?
10:56<Jimmy89>so basically how do I mount my array md0 ?
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11:03<FoxM>inglor: thanks for your help :)
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11:16<Jimmy89>where should I set the mount point to normally?
11:16<Jimmy89>is /media fine?
11:17<inglor>make a folder in it
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11:17<inglor>mkdir /media/data
11:17<shze>I've installed linux-image-2.6.30-1-486 from unstable, but if I plug in my umts-modem after booting, it's not detected until I do lsusb
11:17<shze>what can I do to have it detected immediately?
11:18<shze>how can I debug that?
11:18<bremner>shze: maybe you need some module?
11:18<Jimmy89>it mounted :)
11:19<shze>bremner: but why is it detected on lsusb then?
11:19<bremner>shze: what is it detected as on lsusb, a generic USB device, or a modem?
11:19<shze>lsusb only lists devices, afaik it does not load anything
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11:20<shze>bremner: on first lsusb it finds mass storage, on second lsusb the cardreader and the modem
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11:23<shze>sometimes I get on disconnecting: uhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: Unlink after no-IRQ? Controller is probably using the wrong IRQ.
11:23<shze>but if I search for that I find only very old information..
11:24<cahoot>faulty bios?
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11:25<bremner>shze: can't help much, my card is at home, but I remember there is a specific kernel module it needs. Whether that is loaded automatically or not, I forget.
11:26<bremner>actually, I remember it is sierra, but that depends on the brand obviously
11:27<shze>bremner: mine is a huawei (o2 surf stick)
11:28<bremner>shze: well, if all else fails google it. It probably helps to include usb id in your query
11:30<shze>bremner: yeah, I'll try again, although I didn't have useful hits before
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11:31<shze>it loads modules usb_storage, usbserial and option.. what is option?
11:31<cahoot>probably your usbmodem
11:32<cahoot>its usbid should help
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11:33<shze>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei E220/E270 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem
11:34<shze>cahoot: since it don't find a newer bios to update to, is there any other way to work around a faulty bios?
11:35<bremner>shze: what are you expecting to happen when you plug the modem in?
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11:36<shze>bremner: that the modem is detected and I can connect?
11:36<bremner>shze: detected by what?
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11:37<bremner>shze: are you running network manager?
11:37<shze>by the kernel
11:37<shze>no network-manager
11:37<shze>plain pppd/wvdial
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11:37<bremner>shze: so there are no /dev/USB0 or whatever devices?
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11:37<shze>no, not until I do the lsusb
11:38<stuckey>I just installed another OS but it isn't showing up in the menu (GRUB) when I start the machine. How can boot the OS?
11:38<bremner>shze: so after the lsusb it works?
11:38<SlimeyPete>stuckey: you need to add an appropriate entry to /boot/menu.lst
11:38<cahoot>stuckey: the generic answer would be: make an entry for it in menu.lst
11:38<shze>bremner: yeah, on lsusb it detects the modem, load modules, I get the /dev/ttyUSBx and I can dial
11:39<bremner>shze: maybe you need a udev rule or something?
11:39<bremner>shze: it is pretty mysterious, I agree
11:40<stuckey>SlimeyPete: Mine is /boot/grub/menu.list <--- is that right?
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11:40<SlimeyPete>stuckey: yes
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11:40<stuckey>Ah, I'm reminded of Sneaky Pete's... they had some good burgers.
11:40<shze>bremner: but if I need a udev rule, why does it work on lsusb? shouldn't lsusb don't show any usb device?
11:40<adb>menu.lst* stuckey
11:41<locklace>shze: sounds like a driver problem. check for kernel bugs and then submit one if necessary or post to lkml
11:41<bremner>shze: sorry, out of ideas.
11:41<bremner>oops, that was for emacs
11:41<cahoot>shze: compare dmesg before and after lsusb
11:41<locklace>M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead
11:41<shze>locklace: ok, how do I find the right driver? usb, serial, modem?
11:42<stuckey>How come debian makes it's entries in Grub twice? What's the point in that?
11:42<shze>bremner: np, thanks for the help
11:42<stuckey>SlimeyPete: How do I find all the information I need?
11:42<stuckey>Like, what root, kernel, and init?
11:42<shze>cahoot: dmesg shows all the messages of the detected devices after lsusb, none before
11:42<locklace>shze: sounds like a problem with not probing the usb properly during boot, so i'd view it as a generic or platform-driver usb problem
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11:42<SlimeyPete>stuckey: that'll depend on what OS it is
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11:43<stuckey>SlimeyPete: it's ubuntu
11:43<SlimeyPete>stuckey: which ubuntu? 9.04?
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11:43<adb>stuckey: ask #ubuntu
11:44<locklace>shze: has it worked for you with any other kernel version?
11:44<SlimeyPete>yes, #ubuntu is best
11:45<SlimeyPete>I have an ubuntu menu.lst here but some of the boot options seem to be hardware-specific (the root FS is defined via a uuid, for a start)
11:45<shze>locklace: I did a short test before with .26, it seem to detect it ok, but then I got backtraces in usb_serial
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11:46<locklace>shze: ok. lkml is your next stop
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11:47<shze>locklace: ok, thanks, I'll try that
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11:56<Jimmy89>ok I can't seem to create a folder in my mounted drive in media
11:56<Jimmy89>how do I give myself permission to do so
11:57<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
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11:57<Jimmy89>because root is the owner
11:57<Jimmy89>how do I add all users as owner?
11:58<bremner>Jimmy89: either make an entry in fstab, or check out pmount
11:58<bremner>Jimmy89: are you using some desktop environment?
11:58<Jimmy89>yes gnome
11:59<bremner>Jimmy89: so gnome-volume-manager should take care of this. Perhaps a gnome user can supply more detail
11:59<Jimmy89>ok how...
12:00<ml|>or you can change permissions on that dir
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12:00<Jimmy89>how do I do that?
12:00<Jimmy89>sorry I know I am a noob
12:01<ml|>did you make this dir?
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12:01<Jimmy89>yes it is a raid array that I mounted there
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12:01<Jimmy89>* /media/data
12:02<Jimmy89>probably something to do with the options field in fstab?
12:02<cahoot>vfat/ntfs or what?
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12:02<Jimmy89>it is a raid5 array I made with mdadm
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12:04<Jimmy89>so basically only root has rights to the dir
12:05<Jimmy89>how do I let users read/write to it?
12:06<Pryon>groupadd + addgroup?
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12:09<Jimmy89>more specific please?
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12:11<cahoot>Jimmy89: you can't really expect a full tutorial on linux admin on irc, get and read the debian reference
12:12<ml|>Jimmy89: one way would be to chmod 777 on that dir and then chmod +t = adds the sticky bit, so that people can only delete their own files and sub-directories in a directory, even
12:12<ml|>if they have write permissions to it
12:12<ml|>and root will still own it
12:13<vvas>ml|: also known as 1777 to do it all in one go ;^)
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12:13<ml|>vvas: that too but those are for /tmp dir
12:14<vvas>ml|: i can't see how we're saying different things
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12:15<vvas>(777) + (+t) == (1777)
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12:17<vvas>Jimmy89: my usual solution for this is to [chmod 2775] and [chgrp some_group] the directory, and then add the users that should be able to access it to some_group
12:17<ml|>vvas: guess you are right, for some reason thought they where different
12:18<vvas>Jimmy89: but if what i'm saying sounds gibberish, you should probably find some reference material
12:19<tp43> hi
12:20<tp43>I got major heating issue with my tp43. There is no driver, lenova requires some firmware. Do other laptops have this same issue these days?
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12:24<adb>dpkg: tell tp43 about thinkpad
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12:28<ml|>vvas: btw thanks learned something new today ;)
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12:32<mrvn>Does anyone have an active "deb cdrom:..." url in their sources.list and could paste "ls /var/lib/apt/lists/" for me please?
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12:33<vvas>ml|: you're welcome :^)
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12:40<tp43>adb, thanks
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12:41<patrikf>mrvn: man apt-cdrom
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12:42<mrvn>that doesn't magically materialize a cd in my cdrom.
12:42<patrikf>well, why would you want a cdrom: entry if you don't have the corresponding cdrom? :)
12:43<mrvn>I don't want the entry. I want the ls output.
12:43<patrikf>er, right
12:43<mrvn>And I don't want to download a cd.iso just for that.
12:45<danielesaccucci>sorry, how can i archive emails in evolution???
12:45<sd_>hello! I need to write log messages from remote machines into separate files. Please give me a clue/ I was trying to google it and there is tons of info how to configure syslog to send logs TO remote systems, but I didn't find nothis how to write logs from remote systems into separate file. p.s. ...yes, I know about syslog-ng , but it's unappropriate for me some reason. thanks
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12:46<sd_>man syslog.conf doesn't help also...
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12:48<mhymn>mrvn: i wonder why would you need such a output, anyway -->
12:49<mrvn>doe ia32-apt-get so it can install packages from an amd64 and i386 cdrom.
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12:50<mrvn>mhymn: thx
12:50<lantizia>Is anyone here familiar with AoE?
12:51<nosklo>lantizia: AoE?
12:52<lantizia>ATA over Ethernet
12:52<nosklo>lantizia: Age of Empires? Act or Effect?
12:52<lantizia>Neither ^
12:53<lantizia>Its a SAN thing, an alternative to Fibre Channel and iSCSI
12:54<lantizia>Just installed the driver in debian (although it comes with an older one anyway) and tools... thinking it would let me make the server into a SAN server... but it's just the driver to connect _to_ AoE SAN servers
12:54<lantizia>so I'm getting the horrible feeling it needs special hardware :(
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13:00<sney>lantizia: that would be my guess
13:01<ajavid>would anyone want to have python 2.6 in stable?
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13:04<adb>ajavid: 16:50:46] <Hideme> Can anyone tell me how to get python 2.6 under Debian lenny? asked on freenode
13:04<ajavid>adb, ahh
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13:04<ajavid>well I'm looking to do so
13:05<mhymn>ajavid: a factoid would be appreciated too!
13:06<ajavid>letme look into it, figure out how and I'll try to make a factoid etc. or write an article/howto
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13:07<ajavid>I wonder if 2.6 can be backported and isntalled alongside stabl in 2.5
13:07<ajavid>thats the goal
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13:09<Torrential>Hello, I'm having some problems getting wireless to work on my Dell Studio 1537 laptop. I'm using Debian Lenny/Stable. Supposedly a kernel module called iwlagd is included in 2.6.26 and later kernels, and this will run my network card but for some reason it's not loading and modprobe can't find it. Is this built into the debian binary kernel 2.6.26-2-686?
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13:10<ajavid>fantastic, it doesn't exist in debian at all
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13:10<amphi>Torrential: what card is it?
13:11<Torrential>Intel Wifi Link 5100
13:11<adb>ajavid: keywords=python2
13:12<amphi>did you try the iwl4965 module? that may support that card
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13:12<Torrential>amphi: I'll try again, I loaded it and the card still didn't show up in network-admin applet. I'll load it and check ifconfig/iwconfig.
13:13<amphi>Torrential: iwlagn is not in .26 - I forget whether it came in .27 or .28
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13:14<Torrential>amphi: No luck with iwl4965. Am I going to have to do a custom kernel build to get this module? Or would you recommend something else?
13:14<ajavid>I see
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13:18<cahoot>Torrential: firmware-iwlwifi in place?
13:19<Torrential>cahoot: Yes, that is installed.
13:19<ajavid>amphi, I got a moron!
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13:22<amphi>Torrential: there's an out of tree src tarball for various drivers - I try to recall the name
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13:23<amphi>ajavid: hurrah! is it of the finest quality?
13:24<Torrential>amphi: Thanks, I'll check it out.
13:24<amphi>Torrential: but I think the iwl4965 driver will work, if you have the right fw (which is for your card, not 4965, if I recall correctly)
13:26<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
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13:27<dpkg>iwlagn is probably the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>.
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13:27<amphi>Torrential: ^^^
13:28<amphi>iwlagn is also for 4965, it seems
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13:34<LostPlanet>how do i reconfigure (apt-reconfigure, need package name) X so that it will work with a newly installed video card.
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13:40<prahal>LostPlanet, if you left the file nearly empty as it should be nowadays this is automatic , just restart X
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13:51<ajavid>alright, I'm starting to backport 2.6 from experimenal, lets see what happens
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13:54<ajavid>ok, I'm looking at the rules from python2.6
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13:55<ajavid>I have not found it yet, but I'm trying to find out if it will install alongside 2.5 in debian or if it will replace it. what is going to happen to /usr/bin/python(what version is this goingn to end up as?)
13:56<mhymn>LostPlanet: dpkg-reconfigure?
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13:58<ajavid>ahh alonside, lets see
13:59<LostPlanet>mhymn - yes, but what package ?
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14:01<mhymn>LostPlanet: xserver-xorg or something like that, but guess you should ignore that, see what prahal said above
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14:07<theraphos>do you speack portuguese?
14:07<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:07<bja>locklace: do you have a bot on you computer? :)
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14:09<theraphos>my computer
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14:20<ml|>is debsigs worth using? any penalty in using it?
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14:22<prahal>ml|, last time it was breaking apt badly due to the fact that no packages have signatures embedded . So it was useless
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14:22<prahal>I bet it is a project waiting for someone to step up and do the required job . Though completing aptitude implementation may be of a way higher priority
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14:23<jacky>Hello, can you help me please
14:24<ml|>prahal: thanks for the info, was doing some reading about that and thought i'd ask
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14:26<ml|>dpkg: tell jacky about ask
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14:26<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
14:26<mhymn>that's jackyf though
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14:27<ml|>mhymn: good catch by glancing at the nick looks the same ;)
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14:47<pbn>adb, abrotman: sorry was away... well yeah using the lenny installer is a solution... also there's the daily-build of debian-installer which usually isn't broken
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14:49<pbn>I just was testing the weekly-build because network support was broken two weeks ago, now it appears hard disk support is broken ;)
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14:50<locklace>i have a theory that the d-i team works to make sure that at least one really fundamental thing is broken in each update of the installer image in order to ensure that newcomers get the proper welcome to testing/unstable
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14:56<mhymn>ml|: same thing anyway^^^
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14:59<pbn>locklace: heh :)
14:59<pbn>locklace: maybe :)
15:00<pbn>Well there was a nasty bug in networking on the weekly-builds for perhaps 3 or 4 weeks at least
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15:01<adb>pbn: have you reported this ?
15:01<pbn>yes I have
15:01<adb>where ?
15:02<pbn>well, I have reported the networking bug
15:02<pbn>and it has been solved
15:02<adb>url ?
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15:02<pbn>it's 528929
15:03<adb>dpkg: #528929
15:03<dpkg>adb: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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15:04<tp43>applying a kernel patch, does that mean, I have to compile a kernel?
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15:04<tp43>If you use backport, and then you do apt-cache search hdapsd, how do you know which one it shows, the latest or the backport
15:04<pbn>basically the nic was detected, you type in your IP address (or you use DHCP), but when d-i tried to start networking, *poof*, libresolv segfaults
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15:05<pbn>then you get a red screen saying d-i can't continue because networking isn't configured
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15:06<chealer>tp43: yes
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15:07<pbn>it has been said it was something incompatible between libresolv and debian-installer
15:08<pbn>I filed the bug against libc6-udeb
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15:10<pbn>well anyway I'll try with next monday's weekly-build
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15:11<pbn>however I don't know on what package to file that bug with detecting the hard drives
15:11<pbn>it's perhaps *not* debian-installer
15:12<ajavid>great success, python 2.6 done.
15:13<ajavid>debian packages python2.6_2.6.1-3_amd64.deb and python2.6-minimal_2.6.1-3_amd64.deb where built and installed.
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15:13<ajavid>though there are no alternatives for it... as there are for 2.4, 2.5 in stable
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15:13<tp43>anyone know how to fix this: Not starting hdapsd: /sys/block/hda/queue/protect does not exist
15:13<ajavid>something went amiss but so far so good, no problems on stable with 2.6
15:14<ajavid>can use 2.6 from /usr/bin/python2.6 and python is linked to 2.5.x
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15:16<tp43>when you use backports, and you search for a package, say hdapsd, shouldn't it show two, one for stable and one for backports?
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15:19<tp43>oh yeah apt-get -t lenny-backports install
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15:19<tp43>hmmm, but I still get the same error
15:20<mhymn>apt-cache policy pkgname <-- might help
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15:21<tp43>mhymn, yep, thanks, it didn't install the backports one, it installed the same old one
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15:21<tp43>well, no, it just showed it
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15:38<gernot>hi. i have the suspicion that a recent kernel upgrade screwed up the serial driver or something, but i don't know how to proceed to verify that or find a solution.
15:39<locklace>gernot: boot a different kernel
15:40<gernot>huh. :)
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15:43<panv>please, i need a method to test if my VGA Driver is installed correctly on my lenny debian !!
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15:44<locklace>panv: start x. observe whether it works or dies horribly
15:44<panv>X works
15:45<panv>but i use lshw-gtk to list my hardware...
15:46<panv>then, in my VGA controller, it says that this device hasn't been claimed (with a big ugly X icon = wrong)
15:46<panv>please advice !!
15:46<locklace>paste output of "xvinfo" and "lspci -knn"
15:47<panv>xvinfo gives the following:
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15:47<locklace>!tell panv about paste
15:47<panv>X-Video Extension version 2.2
15:47<panv>Screen #0
15:47<panv>No adapters present
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15:48<locklace>sounds like you're using the vesa driver
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15:50<panv>lspci gives
15:50<panv>i don't think i know alot about this.
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15:50<locklace>so you'll want to set up one of the nvidia drivers
15:50<panv>i am not too into hardware..
15:50<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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15:51<panv>thank you locklace.. i will try to digg there..
15:51<panv>ciao !!
15:51<locklace>good luck
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15:59<drakeman>Hey how can i do if i have openssh installed in my debian squeeze, but when i connect through a windows machine using putty, after certain idle time, the connection lost.... i put clientkeepalive in my sshd config but it stills droping my connection after certain time.
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16:02<non_dumb>drakeman: and this is all on your home network
16:02<drakeman>nop, right now im in my work
16:02<drakeman>and im connecting to my house pc.
16:03<non_dumb>firewall at work to prevent ssh?
16:03<locklace>drakeman: something between your client and your server is fucking things up
16:03<prahal>drakeman, it is not the windows machine going to sleep ? I leave openssh link up nights long without a disconnection
16:03<drakeman>non_dumb, no, because i can connect it normaly, but if i have and idle time like 20 mins, the connections drops
16:03<drakeman>no 20 minutos no mostly like 45 mins.
16:04<non_dumb>so the problem isn't connecting. it's staying connected?
16:04<prahal>highly look like powersaving . Probably a state where the wireless or ethernet card is put to sleep by the system (client)
16:04<drakeman>non_dumb, yes, but if i keep using the connection the connection keeps alive, the problem sis when the connection is idle.
16:05<non_dumb>i'd have to agree with prahal
16:05<non_dumb>or something similar.
16:05<bja>drakeman: the problem might not be your ssh sherver but your isp connection
16:07<non_dumb>drakeman: time the disconnects.
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16:07<non_dumb>see if it's always the exact same amount of time
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16:08<drakeman>non_dumb, let me take the time.
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16:09<non_dumb>at least you are getting paid
16:11<Hideo>you suck
16:11<bja>!lart Hideo
16:11*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on Hideo
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16:21<stuckey>Is it a bad idea to be using testing right now?
16:21<jakub_>hello.i've installed ubuntu on my laptop and i have troubles: there is no sound.can anybody help me?
16:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:22<rudi_s>!tell stuckey about testing
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16:22<jakub_>i ask because i can't join ubuntu channel
16:22<jrabbit>sounds like a personal problem
16:24<bja>jakub_: Try #ubuntu on oftc, then take the hop to freenode, lots more help there.
16:24<bremner>stuckey: I would put it as, now is as good a time to be using stable as it gets.
16:24<jakub_>so ok.i have debian :)
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16:25<bja>jakub_: if you say you have debian and you don't its a waist of your time and a waist of the channel time, do you think it is worth it?
16:26<jakub_>bja: thank you so much :)
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16:37<arw>greetings i get the following error
16:37<arw>Errors were encountered while processing:
16:37<arw> /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.5.26_all.deb
16:37<arw>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
16:37-!-arw was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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16:37<arw>this is the link
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16:39<adb>judd: versions debconf
16:39<judd>adb: debconf -- etch: 1.5.11etch2 lenny: 1.5.24 sid: 1.5.24 sid: 1.5.26 squeeze: 1.5.26
16:40<adb> WARNING: Unknown Debian release: None
16:40<adb>arw: ubuntu ?
16:41<adb>ah sidux ..
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16:41<arw>adb: no, debian
16:41<arw>adb: Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 02:56:43 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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16:43<adb>arw: wget debconf_1.5.26_all.deb , and install it with dpkg -i ..
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16:44<arw>adb: ok, i am going to do that
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16:49<arw>adb: the result
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16:50<adb>arw: file a bug report for debconf .., if not already one
16:50<craigevil>arw: try apt-get clean apt-get update then reinstall it
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16:52<badeagle>if wlan0 shows in iwconfig, should it also show in ifconfig?
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16:52<prahal>badeagle, not if the interface is not up
16:53<badeagle>how would i get it up?
16:53<prahal>badeagle, server or desktop ? -> ifconfig or NM
16:53<ajehals>erm, I am having some difficulty installing debian to a laptop via a usb stick, specifically the drive names are being swapped on reboot, leaving me stuck...
16:54<badeagle>i admit, i tried "ifconfig wlan0 up" based on a guide and it reported some funky error code that started with "SIOSC....." i think
16:57<badeagle>SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device
16:57<arw>adb: does not work.
16:57<arw>adb: i am going to use reportbug
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16:58<ajehals>Surely this can't be that hard, I must be missing something really simple....
16:59<drakeman>if i have this line in a bash script printf "% 4d" $(( $x * $y )) whats the function of the % 4d?
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17:00<adb>drakeman: try #bash on freenode
17:00<drakeman>adb, thanks!
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17:11<Zviper>im trying to create a shell script but i suck dick at making them. here is part of it: is this the way if statements work?
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17:15<prahal>Zviper, yes . You should if [ "x$rsp" = "xY" ]; then ... is safer
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17:18<Zviper>ok thanks
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17:34<wen>hey i've notebook acer and i've just uploaded alsa drivers and there is no sound now :) can anyone help me?
17:34<adb>lenny ?
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17:36<wen>i've checked in alsa mixer and there is all ok
17:37<adb>[23:31:39] <adb> lenny ?
17:38<mhymn>seems he's twitting
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17:38<tp43>hi guys, I use backports to install kernel 2.6.29, but I am still having trouble with hdapsd it give error Not starting hdapsd: /sys/block/hda/queue/protect does not existec
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17:45<mhymn>just to save your time
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18:04<eldowan>using lenny, I'm unable to use lsdvd or totem to watch a dvd, but mplayer will work correctly. I have libdvdcss2 libdvdnav and libdvdread3 installed. I'm unsure of where to start looking, and I haven't found anything worthwhile on the net yet. Any help?
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18:11<craigevil>eldowan: do you have totem-xine installed?
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18:11<craigevil>or totem-gstreamer
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18:13<eldowan>totem-xine works, totem-gstreamer doesnt. However, I've also noted that neither vlc or k9copy will work either. I'm ultimately trying to get k9copy to work so I can shrink dvd9 to dvd5.
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18:15<Zviper>someone tell me what this means? sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `' i have sed -i ’s/$oldp/$newp/g’ .rtorrent.rc
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18:17<tp43>mhymn, I don't know what to do about it, I googled
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18:19<adb>dpkg: tell eldowan about dvd
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18:20<ml|>adb: hello
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18:21<adb> hello ml| :)
18:22<eldowan>Strangest thing, I ejected the dvd, put a known working (from earlier install) dvd video in. (it worked this time). I switched back to the provlem dvd that gstreamer wouldn't play but xine would. Now it works again... Very odd indeed.
18:22<eldowan>adb: craigevil: Thanks for the help, but the problem has resolved itself apparently...
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18:23<adb>bit's magic
18:24<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, magic is a tool and i am its taskmaster
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18:29<bcochofel>hi, I'm trying to update rtorrent on etch but I'm getting several errors compiling
18:29<bcochofel>is there a .deb on some repo?
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18:30<ml|>bcochofel: let me see if i find a link i have
18:30<notyou>what's the command to install a package and ignore dependencies using aptitude?
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18:30<notyou>or apt-get for that matter?
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18:31<bja>notyou: try man apt-get (force)
18:31<witte>notyou: dpkg -i ?
18:31<notyou>seems this distro does not have man pages installed...
18:32<adb> this distro ?
18:32<bja>apt-get install manpages
18:32<bja>adb: fishy?
18:32<notyou>eh, heh. it's debian based but not debian.
18:33<mhymn>smells like DSL
18:33<notyou>couldn't find a channel for it and it's a basic question anyway
18:33<notyou>no. grml.
18:34<bcochofel>ml|, can I safely update etch to lenny just changing repo?
18:34<adb>notyou: try #grml on freenode
18:34<witte>!debian based
18:34<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:35<witte>bcochofel: yes, but read the release notes
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18:35<notyou>well, linux based really. aptitude is used everywhere
18:35*QPrime thinks dpkg should stop picking on ubuntu.
18:35<witte>and check the wiki (which has a link to this page:
18:36<locklace>!start a distro war
18:36<dpkg>start a distro war is probably Debian Rulz
18:36<ml|>bcochofel: read channel msg on top
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18:37<bcochofel>ml|, ok, by the way, wich one can I download from the link you gave me?
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18:38<ml|>any version you like just make sure you download the accommpanying libtorrent
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18:39<ml|>the lastest works great here btw
18:41<bcochofel>ml|, deps problems
18:41<ml|>bcochofel: like works here with np
18:41<ml|>but you are on etch right?
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18:42<bcochofel>ml|, yes
18:42<notyou>can filling a hdd to capacity have a negative effect on the drive?
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18:42<ml|>bcochofel: it's up to you, but upgrade to lenny since support for etch will be other soon
18:45<bcochofel>ml|, I'm doing first a dist-upgrade
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18:46<ml|>bcochofel: plz follow dpkg instructions so you aviod problems
18:46<Zviper>does anyone know what's wrong with this: sed -i ’s/usr/$RTUSER/g’ /home/$RTUSER/.rtorrent.rc
18:46<Zviper>i keep on getting this error: sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `'
18:46<ml|>bcochofel: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
18:46<bcochofel>ml|, those are the first steps
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18:47<ml|>ok, just making sure gl
18:47<bcochofel>but I will not upgrade to lenny
18:47<bcochofel>at least for now
18:47<bcochofel>I'm still on etch on my sources.list
18:47<bcochofel>guess I'm upgrading to the rc8, right?
18:47<notyou>i said that at first. when i did there was no noticible difference at all
18:47<ml|>ok, when ya ready you know how now
18:48<bja>Zviper: guess man sed will give you the answer. (small hint try changing -i for a -e)
18:48<bcochofel>ml|, was that yes for the rc8?
18:49<notyou>can filling a hdd to capacity have a negative effect on the drive?
18:49<blarson>notyou: it may have a negitive affect on the filesystem, but not the drive.
18:50<ml|>bcochofel: i think so, but not 100% since i'm not on etch
18:50<Zviper>i changed it, same error. i checked man sed but i couldn't find anything of use
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18:50<adb>Zviper: try #sed on freenode
18:50<ml|>np, did you try other rtorrent versions?
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18:50<witte>bcochofel: you will upgrade to the latest version, which is the unline status and not a snapshot relaese
18:50<ml|>from that link
18:50<locklace>there's a sed channel?
18:50<locklace>what's next, #/bin/true?
18:50<Zviper>oh cool thanks
18:51<witte>bcochofel: it is also no release candidate (rc) as it is released officially...
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18:51<bcochofel>ml|, yes
18:51<bcochofel>witte, ok, it's r8
18:51<ml|>and they didn't work also?
18:51<bcochofel>ml|, nop
18:51<bcochofel>guess I don't have the latest etch
18:52<bcochofel>let me check
18:52<ml|>ah, need to move up to lenny then would be my guess
18:52<adb>locklace: #sed has 77 "users"
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18:52<bja>i don't believe it
18:52<ml|>hehe not bad ;)
18:52<ml|>bja: make it 78 :)
18:53<ml|>bcochofel: lsb_release -a
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18:54<bcochofel>ml|, only get 4.0
18:55<ml|>r8 might release # for d-i
18:57<witte>!tell bcochofel about etch->lenny
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18:58<ml|>witte: he knows, but not ready for now
18:58<bcochofel>witte, ok, I don't want to upgrade to lenny for now, so I only did the first dist-upgrade
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18:58<simNIX>hello - some time back I was ponted at a program which makes that at login set programs can start automatiicly in gnome and set on what desktop and size - I only cant retrace it with google - I forgot the name :(
18:58<simNIX>maybe someone here knows ?
18:58<bcochofel>witte, maybe after that I can install rtorrent
18:58<witte>bcochofel: is there a specific reason you want to stay with old-stable/etch?
18:58<ml|>bcochofel: since you did a dist-upgrade you should have the lastest etch
18:59<bcochofel>then I will handle the upgrade to lenny
18:59<bcochofel>witte, well, need to check if I have bcks for all the data and that stuff
18:59<ml|>bcochofel: try again now to install rtorrent
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18:59<bja>ml|: only if he did change sources.list to point directly to etch, else ...
18:59<witte>bcochofel: ok, very important :-)
18:59<bcochofel>ml|, that's what I will do as soon as the downloads stop
19:00<bcochofel>witte, yep
19:00<ml|>bja: he has not touched them :)
19:00<witte>simNIX: you mean to change the resolution of your screen? grandr
19:00<ml|>bcochofel: being a while since last update?
19:00<bcochofel>witte, I did apt-get instead of aptitude, that's not a problem right?
19:01<bcochofel>ml|, yes, very
19:01<ml|>dpkg: tell bcochofel about why aptitude
19:01<bcochofel>been a while since I was in this etch
19:01<ml|>just incase
19:02<ml|>ah, backup ->lenny :)
19:02<simNIX>no I mean at login for instance firefox is set to start on desktop 3, on desktop 4 left half could be xcat and right pidgin
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19:02<simNIX>autostart with placement settings simply put
19:02<simNIX>it had a funny name
19:02<simNIX>only cant think of what
19:02<bcochofel>ml|, need to change my DVD rec and them I can safely backup data to DVD
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19:03<ml|>bcochofel: when you can, you still have a few months ;)
19:03<ml|>but sooner the better
19:03<witte>bcochofel: no, i use apt-get as well
19:04<ml|>!lart apt-get
19:04*dpkg whacks apt-get with the cluebat
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19:04<bcochofel>problem is that I need to open my PC and replace my dvd-ram
19:04<witte>bcochofel: it seems aptitude is better, but i like apt-get more, and I don't think the difference is that big (they made some changes to apt-get as well...)
19:05<jrabbit>The diffrences can be bad/good
19:05<ml|>lol he knows
19:05<jrabbit>depends on the string of dependencies
19:05<jrabbit>and if they were done well
19:05<ml|>!win aptitude
19:05<dpkg>Congratulations, aptitude! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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19:06<bcochofel>everyone is trying to get me to lenny :D
19:06<ml|>bcochofel: yup :)
19:06<bcochofel>I will get there
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19:06<simNIX>bcochofel, It's realy worth the switch IMHO but no need to rush
19:07<bcochofel>for a while I was configuring a second server so I can reinstall my first one
19:07<bja>bcochofel: It won't go anywhere switch in due time
19:07<bcochofel>then I was trying to put that on mondo
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19:08<bcochofel>so I could restore it with all my configs
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19:08<bcochofel>that went bad
19:08<bcochofel>and them I need to config all that again
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19:09<bcochofel>I was adding more security and stuff, but mondo never did install on my first server
19:09<bcochofel>don't know why
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19:09<ml|>my backups are done with rsnapshot :)
19:09<bja>!lart lumpy
19:09*dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u lumpy'
19:10<lumpy>was joke :D
19:10<bja>its ok photo is great
19:10*ml| must look now
19:11<bja>ml|: if you understand french
19:11<ml|>no french but picture tells all ;P
19:11<bja>great isn't it
19:12<lumpy>i'm french :D
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19:13<bja>i guessed so :D
19:13<ml|>yeah hehe
19:13<ml|>lumpy: there is a french if ya like
19:13<bja>!tell lumpy about fr
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19:14<amphi>ml|: I was about to say, I'd heard there were several ;)
19:14<bja>lumpy: dpkg told you that
19:14<lumpy>yes but the goal of this game it's to go much poeple who can
19:14<ml|>amphi: hehe :)
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19:15<ml|>lumpy: ok, but last sentence didn't make much sense, but can be decoded ;)
19:16<lumpy>yeah so bad in english ^^'
19:16<ml|>it's cool
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19:17<bja>lumpy: thx for the laugh
19:17<ml|>!lart bja
19:17*dpkg urinates on bja
19:17<bja>ml|: that one hurt
19:17<bja>!nuke ml|
19:17*dpkg fires a 90 petaton thermonuclear weapon at ml|
19:18<ml|>bja: dpkg picked that one not me and ouch
19:18*bja looks how halve the earth goes with ml| into oblivion
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19:18<locklace>!start a nuclear war
19:18<dpkg>SHALL WE PLAY A GAME?
19:18<ml|>bja: would mind it ya know quick and all :)
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19:24<ml|>locklace: hah
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19:26<bja>ml|: don't abuse the bot while I'm not around :)
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19:39<trustedone>hey guys i need some help with my graphics card i have a nvidia geforce 8m card and need to set it up the propriatary one doesnt work i am running 8.04
19:40<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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20:05<prahal>is there a gnokii via bluetooth user ? I am looking after Fbus usage instructions (gnokii try to connect to channel 14 while there is not service listening on that port
20:07<adb>are you sure that channel 14 means port 14 ?
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20:10<prahal>well there is not such thing as port in bluetooth . though it should be close to "port"
20:10<prahal>my bad for to have used "port" concept for an unrelated item
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20:14<adb>apt-cache search gnokii
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20:51<Zviper>what's the best way to su without getting permissions errors when using screen?
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20:52<sney>probably sudo
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21:35<Jimmy89>hey guys, I am having trouble changing resolution on my HD3200 graphics card (onboard ATI 780g)
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21:38<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (ie. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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21:56<Computer_Man>can anyone help me with getting a program to autolaunch?
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21:59<Computer_Man>can anyone help me with getting a program to autolaunch?
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22:01<jidm>Computer_Man which desktop? Gnome KDE?
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22:15<Jimmy89>how can I tell if my network card is synching at gigabit?
22:15<Jimmy89>cause it only seems to be copying at ~100mbit speeds
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22:19<mib_tfk6bvxu>Can anybody lend a hand to a linux newbie?
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22:21<jidm>mib_tfk6bvxu just ask, if anyone can help, he'll do it. Go ahead.
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22:21<Kvant>Jimmy89, take a look at ethtool and mii-tool (in net-tools)
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22:21<Jimmy89>I just found mii-tool
22:21<Jimmy89>it says 1000mbps
22:21<Jimmy89>but file transfer speeds are not over 100mbps speeds
22:22<mib_tfk6bvxu>Thanks. I'm trying to install a display driver, and it tells me I need ld. So I download binutils and try to install, but when I run configure, it tells me " error: cannot run C compiled programs". I'm at a complete loss with that one.
22:23<mib_tfk6bvxu>What am I doing wrong, here?
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22:27<Nemoder>mib_tfk6bvxu: what version of debian are you using?
22:27<witte>mib_tfk6bvxu: which driver are you installing, and why are you compiling if you are a newby?
22:28<witte>mib_tfk6bvxu: normally you should have much easier ways to get what you want unless you want something very special
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22:29<mib_tfk6bvxu>It's Debian 5.0, and I'm trying to compile an nvidia driver to cooperate with its TV-out port. Hey, if there's an easier way, I'm all for it.
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22:29<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
22:30<witte>mib_tfk6bvxu: that was for you ;-)
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22:31<mib_tfk6bvxu>Blessings. I'll take it
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22:47<Jimmy89>could it be samba that is making the filesharing slow?
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22:52<Kindar>Gah, I'm an idiot, and I apologize. I'm taking your suggestion from earlier, and trying to get the nvidia files via apt-get, and it informs me that it can't find nvidia-kernel-common even after editing the sources list to include contrib and non-free. Did I miss an additional step someplace? And if you'd rather I took this to #nvidia, please just say so.
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22:53<witte>did you update after adding non-free and contrib?
22:54<witte> apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-common
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22:55<Kindar>apparently not. I must have missed that in the man page. How do I go about that? (apt-cache search provides no output)
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23:00<Kindar>Never mind... Brain kicked in. Thanks again
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23:19<Jimmy89>can you guys think of any reason why file transfers through samba would start at ~35mb/s, then drop down to 8 ?
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23:24<prahal>Jimmy89, via gvfs ?
23:24<prahal>nautilus 2.24 that is
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23:25<Jimmy89>from a vista machine to the debian box
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23:26<Jimmy89>it was copying at a solid 35mb/s
23:26<Jimmy89>then just dropped won
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