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---Logopened Sat Jun 20 00:00:00 2009
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01:42<kousik>I add a deamon for running at boot by this command su update-rc.d 100Mbs defaults 99 but it seems not working when I run this script manually it works fine
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02:30<girish>help identify
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02:34<girish>I'm looking for some help on downloading e-mail messages from a Gmail account and sorting them in neat mbox folders.
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02:34<girish>What would be the best (simplest) way of doing this?
02:35<alephnull>fetchmail + procmail ?
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02:35<girish>Yeah .. I tried fetchmail.
02:36<girish>But then fetchmail simply got the messages and saved it in my mail spool ..
02:36<alephnull>huh ? What does exim have to do with splitting ?
02:37<girish>Well .. I thought I could write splitting rules in exim .forward file.
02:38<alephnull>girish: procmail does the splitting
02:39<girish>Hm .. OK .. never used procmail before .. so didn't know.
02:40<girish>So you mean I simply ask fetchmail to download all the ~10K messages from Gmail's server ..
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02:40<girish>and then get procmail to sort everything out?
02:41<alephnull>Yes, in essence.
02:41<girish>I see.
02:42<girish>So now I have to figure out how to build a fetchmail-exim-procmail pipeline.
02:43<girish>Procmail seems to included in Lenny by default.
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02:45<alephnull>girish: You can tell fetchmail to pass on the messages to procmail directly.
02:45<alephnull>Quicker too.
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02:46<girish>alephnull: You mean fetchmail-procmail, bypassing exim altogether?
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02:47<girish>Any hints on how to do that?
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02:49<alephnull>girish: --mda. The manpage has all the details.
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02:54<girish>alephnull: Yes, thanks. I'm reading the man page.
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02:56<girish>How do Exim MTA's filtering capabilities compare with Procmail MDA's capabilities?
02:56<girish>I refer to /usr/share/doc/exim4/filter.txt.gz.
02:57<girish>(On Lenny).
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04:14<RobertF>I want to make a ssh tunnel with my remote computer. ssh -L2525:remoteip:25 user@remoteipssh / After, i set up Thunderbird (, there is a message "relay access denied").
04:15<RobertF> => postfix =>
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04:18<ml|>RobertF: try ssh -L2525:remoteipssh:25 user@remoteipssh
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04:24<RobertF>ml|: i always use it. it's not working
04:24<RobertF>ml|: May I use lines in
04:26<ml|>RobertF: sorry, can't help you
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04:27<ml|>RobertF: ask again in a little bit
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04:31<RobertF>ml|: it's not working..
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04:48<lili__>hi !!i am wondering..i have LAMP environment on my server,while apache lack of gzip file support .i want to add this module(, Am I have to recompile php and apache or even mysql??
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04:48<lili__>Can i Just recompile apache with that module
04:48<lili__>and then add the module file to it..
04:50<lili__>any idea?
04:52<ffws>do other sid users experience problems with altgr key in gtk applications as well?
04:52<OdyX>lili__: mod_deflate is in apache2.2-common: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/
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04:54<OdyX>lili__: or apache2.2-bin ... anywas... shipped with Debian packages
04:55<lili__>0dYx, My apache without that module under modules directory,it is httpd-2.2.8
04:56<OdyX>lili__: are you using Debian ?
04:56<OdyX>lili__: please spell my nick correctly…
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05:00<OdyX>lili__: mod_deflate is in apache2 since 2002.
05:00<lili__>0dyx .I am using centOS.but i compile my apahce,it should be the same on any linux version,isn`t it?
05:00<OdyX>lili__: CentOS is not Debian.
05:00<dpkg>methinks centos is CentOS (Community ENTerprise Operating System) is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. For IRC support, join #centos on
05:00<OdyX>lili__: no. That's why we have distributions
05:01<yes>anyone know new ETA for Debian 5.0.2 ?
05:01<lili__>Even when I compile from this sourcecode ??
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05:01<lili__>It is different??
05:01<OdyX>lili__: each distribution maintainers make some choices about the programs they package...
05:02<leejongwook>boot msg : mount local filesystem....failed <--- how do i fix this ?
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05:02<OdyX>lili__: you'd better search for support for your OS or install Debian instead.
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05:03<leejongwook>boot msg : error initializing udevd socket \ udevd[1925]:main:error initializing udev socket <--- i have this too
05:04<leejongwook>boot msg : staring periodic command shecudler:cron failed <--- :(
05:04<lili__>0dyX :Is that really have effect on such king of compile program?
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05:05<yes>lili__ sure
05:05<ottoshmidt>where can I find debian language support?
05:05<lili__>0dyX: on the default choice module of apache
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05:06<yes>ottoshmidt and /list
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05:07<OdyX>lili__: the good thing when you keep on mistyping my nick is that I don't get highlighted...
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05:08<OdyX>lili__: "default choices" are "distribution choices"
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05:09<ottoshmidt>yes, I mean isn't there something like System > Administrator > Language Support in Debian?
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05:09<leejongwook>i made simple iptable script, works fine to me. does anyone wants mine (?) i can send thru xchat
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05:10<valdyn>ottoshmidt: what do you want to do with that language support?
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05:11<ottoshmidt>change language of debian (entirely)
05:11<valdyn>ottoshmidt: run "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
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05:11<ottoshmidt>the ultimate goal is to help translate it into my native lang.
05:11<Desiac>do the dvd's have more driver support than just the first cd? trying to install squueze onto a macbook and the disk controller isin't recognised
05:11<lili__>leejongwook: i want it
05:11<valdyn>Desiac: no they dont
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05:12<ottoshmidt>valdyn, bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
05:12<ottoshmidt>where is that command?
05:12<leejongwook> <-- try this :)
05:12<Desiac>valdyn: squeeze would have a similar driver base to lenny wouldn't it? i was going to d/l lenny and give it a try just wondering if its worth it
05:13<leejongwook><-- have a little english skill, couldn't add explain to it
05:13<yes>ottoshmidt, install debconf, run dpkg-reconfigure locales
05:13<lili__>leejongwook. thanks
05:14<leejongwook>lili__, can you analyze that ?
05:14<ottoshmidt>yes, debconf already installed
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05:15<leejongwook>add remote ip list to ---> iPGroup_USER_SSH="";
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05:16<lili__>leejongwook: it is a little complicate to me
05:16<leejongwook>if you want i can explain
05:16<ml|>ottoshmidt: as root
05:16<leejongwook>##[ COMMON ROUTINE ]#### <-- this block, you dont wanna know it just common procedure
05:17<leejongwook>and all you got to do is.. add the ip list which you like to .... give permit
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05:17<laurent_>hi everyone,
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05:18<leejongwook>just add your friend ip to "iPGroup_USER_SSH" and ask your friend to use ssh
05:18<leejongwook>@_@;; <-- sweeting 'cause of my english skill
05:18<lili__>leejongwook: It is very intelligence..
05:19<leejongwook>well all you got to do is think where to add your friend ip list
05:20<leejongwook>it's works fine to me :)
05:20<laurent_>i have a problem with my intel board DG45ID. Iam trying to install debian with a sata hd but in the installation, no hd is detected. It say to choose a module to load, but i don't know which choose (sorry for my bad english)
05:21<leejongwook>lili__, and one more think, you need to change the ssh port 4288 to 22(default)
05:21<laurent_>it is possible to know which module to load with the board model
05:22<leejongwook><-- newbie
05:24<laurent_>iam not using raid
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05:25<OdyX>leejongwook: I think that good password + using keys + fail2ban is _WAAAAY_ more useful than simple IP-based filtering (for ssh at least)
05:25<leejongwook>i see :)
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05:25<leejongwook>Thanks :)
05:26<leejongwook>fail2ban @_@
05:26<leejongwook>writing down :)
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05:26<OdyX>leejongwook: IP-based filtering is absolutely no security and many ISP provide dynamic IPs
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05:27<leejongwook>what do you use for firewall ?
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05:29<OdyX>leejongwook: nothing. fail2ban for specific services and strong authentication for everything critical (aka ssh and ftp)
05:29<leejongwook>i see
05:29<OdyX>(strong auth being good passwords and/or ssl keys)
05:30<leejongwook>:) cool
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05:33<leejongwook>i was trying to understand "IP-based filtering is absolutely no security" and now i understood completely. that means blacklist right?
05:33<laurent_>IDE Interface : Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family)
05:34<dpkg>For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see
05:34<leejongwook>but i think it's better than nothing. so..
05:34<valdyn>laurent_: what dpkg said
05:34<leejongwook>and hide port and ping(?) status...
05:34<laurent_>valdyn: ok thx i will try
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05:35<leejongwook>just for study :) that's all
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05:36<laurent_>But i am with an unstable cd installation where kernel version is 2.6.29, kmuto version has kernel 2.6.28 :(
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05:43<leejongwook>mounting local file system... failed <-- how do i fix this ? i got this error during i boot up my pc
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05:44<leejongwook>i restored debian backup image(tar) and this happened, do i need to re-install my os ?
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05:46<leejongwook>:) hi again
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05:50<leejongwook>question : tar pczvf ${homeDir}/${backupFile} --exclude=${homeDir}/${backupFile} --exclude=/dev --exclude=/cdrom --exclude=/media --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found /; <-- is this wrong for backup
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05:52<leejongwook>i'm having trouble with UUID(mount) after restored my backup file
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05:54<leejongwook>how do you backup your system ?
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05:55<leejongwook>hi :P
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05:55<dr|zed>leejongwook: SuperGrub boot disc may be able to help.
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05:55<Torsten_W>leejongwook, 2have trouble" is not an error-message
05:56<leejongwook>superGrub ?
05:56<dr|zed>!fgi supergrub
05:56<leejongwook>ok.. error != trouble @_@
05:57<leejongwook>fbi :P
05:57<leejongwook>dr you meant <-- this ?
05:58<leejongwook>this is really cool :)
05:58<leejongwook>thanks :) hehehe
05:58<dr|zed>That's the one.
05:59<leejongwook>thank you ~~~ :) thanks all :D
05:59<dr|zed>If it fails to restore grub to working order, chances are your hd is failing.
05:59<leejongwook>:) i see
06:00<leejongwook>ok see you all later :) going to fix my pc
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06:12<leejongwook>it was for boot problem
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06:12<leejongwook>i still can use my debian. but got some wired messages
06:13<leejongwook>during the boot time
06:13<leejongwook>but the software was pretty cool
06:13<leejongwook>i might will use it when i will have some trouble(but never had one before, and used rescue cd instead)
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06:15<leejongwook>have no problem with grub and boot image(MBR)
06:15<leejongwook>debian said 'mounting local filesystems...failed'
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06:16<leejongwook>i have no important data on my file system and i could re-install my os but wanted to know why and how
06:17<leejongwook>and what'caused the problem
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06:20<leejongwook>@_@ hi
06:21<leejongwook>i'll be back with solution
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06:22<Aleric>Hi all... my videocard burned out or something :(. I had a hardlock up and a frozen image with random pixels over it - had to hardreset. After the reset I had no signal.
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06:23<dr|z3d>Aleric: Check the fan's still working on the card.
06:23<Aleric>I would like to know if my harddisk and motherboard are still ok... is there a way to reboot without the videocard? Using a serial terminal?
06:23<dr|z3d>Aleric: You might just need to swap it out for a new one.
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06:24<locklace>Aleric: nvidia gpu?
06:24<Aleric>The fan was still turning... but I have no signal
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06:24<locklace>Aleric: what kind of system is it in
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06:25<locklace>!greet alys
06:25<dpkg>Howdy, alys
06:25<Aleric>debian 'testing'. A Quad core box
06:26<locklace>Aleric: desktop?
06:26<Aleric>If I reboot with a serial cable connected to another PC that runs a terminal for that... will that just work?
06:26<Aleric>locklace: gnome... why is that relevant? I turned off the PC and after turning it on I have no video signal at ALL, not even during grub
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06:27<locklace>Aleric: i'm asking about the hardware
06:27<dr|z3d>Aleric: Got an external drive enclosure, or another system you can plug the drive into?
06:27<alys>Hello, locklace - I was over on debian-women - they seem to be asleep there.
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06:28<locklace>alys: that seems to happen whenever i show up for some reason
06:28<Aleric>cahoot: I have an encrypted disk... and a RAID... IF things are broken, I really want to see the boot messages :/ ... Isn't it possible to use a serial cable RS233 or what is the name?
06:28<alys>They used to be a lively group - maybe they don't have a mission, now.
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06:29<dr|z3d>RS232. Aka serial.
06:29<Aleric>If I reboot a debian kernel, will the serial terminal work by default?
06:29<gimpuzmani>I have a problem
06:30<gimpuzmani>my os is debian and bad graphics performance
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06:31<gimpuzmani>what do you think
06:32<cahoot>your error description is rather vague
06:33<alys>gimpuzmani: have you configured xorg properly?
06:33<locklace>!tell gimpuzmani about how to ask
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06:38<pawel>how to send and receive from RS232 port?
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06:38<llutz>pawel: cat
06:40<pawel>I think cat is for listing files...
06:40<llutz>"all is a file" so is /dev/ttySx
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06:41<Aleric>I already had serial console setup... so I logged in.... It says RAID status not OK. And after boot I get errors:
06:42<pawel>than can I do something like 'echo message > /dev/ttyS0' ?
06:42<llutz>pawel: sure
06:42<Aleric>Um, welll... I get unrecoverable errors for ata5 and ata2.
06:44<locklace>nvidia makes great mainboard-destroyers
06:44<Aleric>How can I see what these ata's are used for? Which partition(s) of my RAID?
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06:46<Aleric>[ 261.473236] ata5.00: revalidation failed (errno=-5)
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06:48<pawel>how can | read from /dev/ttyS0?
06:48<llutz>cat </dev/ttyS0
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06:49<locklace>mdadm is your info source for all things raid
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06:52<RobertF>ml|: I found the solution
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06:53<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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06:58<Comanderxv>howto stream an wave file to a capture device in console ...
06:58<Aleric>How can I investigate the problems with my RAID? It seems unlikely that the harddisk is really failing :/ .. not together with the videocard. It's more likely that the hardlockup and hard reboot (had to turn off the power!) made it so that it's in this state.
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07:03<locklace>cat /proc/partitions, cat /proc/mdstat, mdadm --query --detail, df, etc.
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07:05<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:07<cahoot>Comanderxv: what kind of capture device?
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07:07<Visine>I'm a new Linux user and I'm using Sidux. I'm trying to configure PulseAudio in it and I got stocked in the very basics. I need to create a file with the terminal. Wich is the command to do it?
07:08<cahoot> /j #sidux
07:08<Visine>ok, got it. :)
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07:09<Aleric>locklace: thanks... I rebooted it again... and now everything seems ok.
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07:10<Aleric>I guess I'll replace the videocard next ... I don't think it makes sense to try that again (I removed it).
07:10<Aleric>Weeew.... the whole reason I'm using a RAID is to avoid the need for a backup in case of drive failure! So, I was afraid that that "solution" had not worked :/
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07:12<locklace>raid can be more trouble than it's worth
07:12<Aleric>I guess... if it would really break down, I'd have no clue who to recover the data :(
07:13<locklace>that's one of the problems. you shouldn't use it unless you understand it
07:13<cahoot>in that case one shouldn't use computers at all
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07:14<Aleric>Which is why I'd like to run SMART on the drives too... not sure if that is possible though. From a quick search on the net it seems that RAID and SMART don't work together
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07:15<locklace>smart is just a low-level interface for disk health
07:15<locklace>aptitude install smartmontools
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07:16<locklace>then run smartctl -a on your physical drive device nodes (/dev/sda, etc.) to see what kind of info it tracks
07:16<Tenguch>if it's hardware raid, it's possible smart can't access physical HD...
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07:16<Tenguch>such case are with DELL stuff
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07:17<locklace>right. that might be what he was seeing
07:17<Tenguch>in dell case, hopefully they give some monitoring tools
07:17<Tenguch>i.e. OMSA stuff for redhat/centos, or a livecd based on centos.
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07:18<Tenguch>there are some other tools, which are for example used by some NAGIOS checks.
07:20<locklace>!birthday adb
07:20*dpkg congratulates adb on life well lived and takes them off to the soylent green factory
07:20<adb>locklace: heh thx
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07:27<ml|>adb: how old ;)
07:27<Aleric>Oh shit :( ... the ata5 started failing again :((
07:29<adb>only ... 58 ml| ;)
07:30<ml|>adb: so you got another 58 to go :)
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07:30<adb>y ...
07:30<ml|>!win adb
07:30<dpkg>Congratulations, adb! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
07:31<Aleric>wait-a-minute!!! *releaved*
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07:31<Aleric>Does this mean what I think it means:
07:31<Aleric>[ 13.271447] ata5.00: ATAPI: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S, 9L02, max UDMA/100, ATAPI AN
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07:31<Aleric>ata5 is my DVDRW drive? lol weew!
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07:32<locklace>hope you're not using that for raid, dude
07:32<Aleric>no heheh
07:33<Aleric>That the RAID status failed was due to ata2, but that was just a one-time error that recovered.
07:33<locklace>are you using swraid or hwarid
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07:34<Aleric>Ok... I got an ASUS P5B Deluxe motherboard with an PCIEX16_1 slot (PCIe)
07:34<Aleric>What would be a good fast videocard that will work well on linux? It got to be an Nvidia card, and I'll use their drivers.
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07:35<ml|>cheap card that will support two monitors nv285 quadro, but not for gaming
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07:36<Aleric>I'm using it a lot for SecondLife. That doesn't use many features, but it has often a very high tris/poly count.
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07:37<Aleric>I had an nvidia 8600, is the 285 quadro better?
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07:37<ml|>Aleric: no
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07:37<locklace>the 8600s are the ones with the gpu defect
07:38<ml|>is for workstations
07:38<Aleric>locklace: What defect?
07:38<ml|>but cheap if you need a card with no gaming, for like $20-30 or so
07:38<locklace>the one you just experienced
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07:39<Aleric>Oh.. you can recommand another card that is faster or equal, without this problem? :)
07:39<Aleric>ml|: I'd have no problems with a card of $200-300
07:40<Aleric>provided it WORKS of course :/
07:40<ml|>best to ask in #nvidia on freenode
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07:40<Aleric>Setups with two cards, each like $650 is over my budget though :p
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07:41<ml|>i'm poor so i use that and works great :)
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07:41<Aleric>locklace: What about the 8800 ?
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07:43<Aleric>This is not on a mobile thingy
07:44<francesco>i'm compiling kernel ... how enable ccache ?
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07:45<cahoot>install it?
07:45<francesco>i did
07:45<locklace>consider reading up through the second sentence
07:45<francesco>but i'm nto sure it is working with compilation
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07:49<ml|>locklace: don't you have an 8800
07:50<locklace>no, radeon
07:50<ml|>was it hard t setup?
07:51<locklace>simple as a dpkg -i
07:51<ml|>ati now has deb's?
07:51<locklace>i'm not using fglrx
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07:55<ml|>wish there was a better open driver for nvidia, nv is slow here. changing workspaces etc...
07:55<dpkg>Nouveau is a project, with the goal of providing open-source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards. Current development status: #nouveau on
07:55<ml|>yeah but doesn't work good tho
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07:59<ml|>maybe someday
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08:29<tom22>x264 isn't in main because it uses methods patented in USA. I'm from the UK. What justification does Debian give for not including it, despite how many of its users aren't subject to software patent law?
08:30<stuckey>!versions radeon
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08:30<stuckey>!judd versions radeon
08:30<dpkg>stuckey, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
08:31<stuckey>judd versions radeon
08:31<judd>stuckey: radeon --
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08:36<francesco>i have a question about linux kernel compilation and ccache on debian ? (if it isn't the right place where to ask ?)
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08:37<francesco>i have installed it from rep ... and compile with sudo HOSTCC="ccache" make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -prova kernel_image modules_image --initrd
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08:41<francesco>any hint ?
08:41<valdyn>francesco: any problem?
08:42<francesco> make-kpkg seams to not use ccache
08:42<valdyn>tom22: debian-legal mailing list or google
08:42<valdyn>tom22: i know you are not the first one asking this.
08:42<francesco>i'm wonder if i miss some configuration step
08:43<valdyn>tom22: if your company has assets in the USA or does business with USA then those patents apply..
08:44<valdyn>tom22: debian does both
08:44<tom22>valdyn: Okay it's fair enough, since a lot of Debian's sponsors are from US.
08:45*Aleric is back with a new videocard... nvidia 9800 GT ... I hope that one works!
08:45<ml|>Aleric: gl
08:45<tom22>It just seems to be an unfortunate situation where everybody is being subject to US laws. Non-US people have no control over this.
08:45<Aleric>no, GT
08:45<valdyn>tom22: its no big deal since there is dmm
08:45<dpkg>i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
08:46<ml|>yeah dmm ftw :)
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08:46<tom22>valdyn: I know of that, but dmm is not a particularly nice solution. Presumably Debian developers cannot work as well with dmm packages.
08:46<valdyn>tom22: theres many things like that
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08:47<tom22>Presumably those packages aren't put through the rigourous process that Debian packages are.
08:47<stuckey>What's dist-upgrade/full-upgrade?
08:47<valdyn>tom22: for instance i doubt debian would distribute "nazi" software ( illegal in germany ) or whatever else conflicts with regions debian devs tend to come from
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08:47<tom22>Extending your logic, why not have 100s of repositories?
08:47<stuckey>What's the difference between that and just doing "aptitude updgrade"?
08:47<Lemonzest>anyone know when lenny 5r2 is going thorough? i read ont he mailing lists it was sometime today?
08:47<locklace>* Aleric is back with a new videocard... nvidia 9800 GT ... I hope that one works! <ml|> Aleric: gl <Aleric> no, GT <--- classic
08:47<valdyn>tom22: its not about repos
08:47<Lat>hi, is there a official or close to official how-to-install-debian in a ps3?
08:47<Aleric>I guess that wasn't for me then :p
08:47<valdyn>tom22: its about being official part of debian
08:48<Aleric>Where can I find which video cards my current driver supports? I'm sure I saw it print a complete list somewhere
08:48<gsimmons>Lemonzest: It has been delayed. See and
08:49<tom22>valdyn: I don't think Debian would distribute anything discriminatory, and not because it may illegal in a particular country.
08:49<valdyn>tom22: as far as i know christian marillat applies the same testing principles as debian does
08:49<valdyn>tom22: yea well, bad example from my side
08:49<tom22>(Arguably anything graphical is discriminatory against the blind)
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08:49<valdyn>tom22: check if pornview is still in debian
08:49<tom22>It is. ¬.¬
08:49<stuckey>Aleric: Which driver?
08:50<valdyn>ah, neat
08:50<ml|>locklace: hehe
08:50<gsimmons>dpkg: tell stuckey -about dist-upgrade
08:50<Aleric>stuckey: 173.14.09
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08:50<ml|>Aleric: check nvidia wiki page
08:50<stuckey>Aleric: So nvidia proprietary...
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08:51<valdyn>lets see how far law goes here, maybe debian will have to remove name servers ;)
08:51<stuckey>Aleric: There's a script on the Wiki, or you can try Nvidia's website.
08:51<ml|>there is a list there
08:52<stuckey>gsimmons: Okay thanks. So it's not something that's used very often... just for some security updates?
08:52<Lat>hi, is there a official or close to official how-to-install-debian in a ps3?
08:52<tom22>I wonder if porn, or tools promoting porn (does pornview promote porn?) are illegal in any countries? Gah. It's almost as if the globalness of the Internet makes law difficult. ¬.¬
08:52<ml|>stuckey: best to use safe-upgrade
08:53<Aleric>Argh... it lists the 9800 GTX, but not the GT :/
08:53<ml|>only use full-upgrade when needed and then read carefully what aptitude tells you
08:53<ml|>Aleric: try it
08:54<stuckey>Aleric: Yeah you're going to need 180+ for the 9800GT---I have the same card.
08:54<Lemonzest>gsimmons: any idea on how long is delayed?
08:54<stuckey>Aleric: I'm moving to ATI, so that I can use the free radeon drivers :)
08:54<ml|>stuckey: send me your card ;)
08:54<gsimmons>Lemonzest: No idea. At least a week as indicated on debian-release.
08:55<stuckey>ml|: Do you live in Germany?
08:55<ml|>no ;(
08:55<Aleric>stuckey: I have a dual-head setup with two monitors... need to use TwinView to get that working satisfactory :/
08:55<Lemonzest>gsimmons: no worries, thanks for the halps
08:55<stuckey>ml|: Where?
08:55<stuckey>ml|: I'd have to check and see how much shipping would be to the US.
08:56<ml|>stuckey: i was kidding, but i appreciate the thought :)
08:57<ml|>how much do those cards cost anyways?
08:57<Aleric>I paid 150 euro
08:57<stuckey>I paid 124USD
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08:57<ml|>not bad ~20 here
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08:58<ml|>for nv 285
08:58<ml|>!coffee stuckey
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08:59<ml|>Aleric: going to try the card out or get the gtx?
08:59<Aleric>I'm going to try it with the latest driver from unstable
09:01<francesco>anyone use ccache can help me ?
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09:03<SoftICE_>francesco have you tried to make a symlink gcc,c++,cc etc. -> ccache?
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09:04<Aleric>:( It fails to build nvidia-kernel !
09:04<francesco>SoftICE : what u mean ?
09:05<Salto>Ist jemand da der mir auf deutsch bei einem Problem helfen kann?
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09:05<TongueOfColicab>good morning, im trying to install virtualbox on my lenny system using Synaptic package manager, when i search for virtualbox on it, i get a large list of packages and i dont have witch ones i have to select
09:05<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
09:05<adb>Salto: ^^
09:05<Salto>danke ^^
09:06<Salto>dann noch nen schönen Tag euch allen :)
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09:07<TongueOfColicab>sorry i tried to say, i dont know wich ones i have to select to install virtualbox
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09:08<gsimmons>dpkg: tell TongueOfColicab -about vbox-install lenny
09:09<ml|>or visit vbox site for instructions on using non-free[ose] version
09:09<TongueOfColicab>thanks gonna check it
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09:10<twb>DejaVuSans.ttf: "DejaVu Sans" "Book"
09:10<twb>n019003l.pfb: "Nimbus Sans L" "Regular"
09:11<twb> do I stop X11 programs using ghostscript's ugly type-1 fonts?
09:11<ml|>Aleric: maybe you need the kernel from unstable, just a hunch
09:11<c4-_>if i use a iptables rule that uses the IP address of John, how do i check if that address is the one of John's PC, and not someone else?
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09:12<twb>Ideally, I want fontconfig to ALWAYS return a face from the DejaVu foundry.
09:12<stuckey>Is it a bad idea to make a directory within / ?
09:12<stuckey>Like, on the same level as /usr/ and /etc/?
09:12<locklace>if you do, monkeys will fly out of your butt.
09:13<ml|>stuckey: like /dir ?
09:13<stuckey>How big are these monkeys?
09:13<locklace>damn big.
09:13<stuckey>ml|: Like for example,
09:14<stuckey>I made /rtorrent there, does that mean that I made a directory "in the top level of the root directory"?
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09:14<valdyn>stuckey: you made a directory in the root directory
09:14<stuckey>valdyn: Not a drectory in the top level of the root directory?
09:15<valdyn>stuckey: or: you made a directory in the top level directory
09:15<ml|>you should make that in ~
09:15<valdyn>stuckey: theres no top of the root directory
09:15<valdyn>stuckey: the top IS the root directory
09:15<stuckey>valdyn: So this is a bad idea?
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09:16<valdyn>stuckey: not bad, unusual
09:16<tuxcrafter>hi all
09:16<ml|>i do mount my backup drive in / as /backups
09:16<stuckey>valdyn: Where might you have put /rtorrent?
09:16<valdyn>stuckey: wherever you want
09:16<tuxcrafter>i am trying to use chkconfig but it does not work on my debian system is this normal?
09:16<valdyn>stuckey: I use /mnt/ or ~/
09:16<tuxcrafter>sudo chkconfig rc.local off
09:16<tuxcrafter>/sbin/insserv: No such file or directory
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09:17<valdyn>stuckey: use whatever you do find nice and tidy
09:17<ml|>right, i would make that in ~ tho
09:18<c4-_>what channel discuses ipchains or iptables or ipfilter stuff?
09:18<valdyn>stuckey: / is generally subject to being used by the system
09:18<tuxcrafter>i cant seem to turnn rc.local on and off with chkconfig
09:18<valdyn>stuckey: in the special case of "rtorrent", thats not ever going to be used by the system, so not a problem
09:18<tuxcrafter>it does work with update-rc.d
09:19<valdyn>stuckey: /opt is ffa, /mnt/ is ffa
09:19<gsimmons>c4-_: There is #iptables on
09:19<valdyn>stuckey: as is /usr/local and ~/ obviously
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09:22<TongueOfColicab>just a question from what DPKG told me about virtual box "Add your user account to the vboxusers group: "adduser yourusername vboxusers", logout and login again before starting virtualbox"
09:22<TongueOfColicab>i have to logout from where??
09:22<gsimmons>tuxcrafter: The chkconfig package recommends the insserv package.
09:22<ml|>TongueOfColicab: just logout
09:23<TongueOfColicab>from lenny session?
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09:23<tuxcrafter>gsimmons: yea i saw it uses insserv debian uses an other system correct?
09:24<ml|>TongueOfColicab: you need to logout yourself the log in
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09:25<Aleric2>Well.. gnome started up fine on the new videocard with the old drivers.
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09:27<ml|>Aleric2: if it works well with old, no need to use new drivers
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09:28<TongueOfColicab>well thanks again im installing a new OS on my Virtual Box now
09:28<ml|>!congratulate TongueOfColicab
09:28<dpkg>Good show TongueOfColicab, you did it!
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09:29<TongueOfColicab>see ya
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09:37<Aleric2>UT2004 does 89 FPS... not really higher than the 8600
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09:41*ml| wishes he can play UT2004 ;(
09:42<User_777>hello guys, im a Squeeze AMD64 user. Today i was upgrading my system (as i do everyday) and it installed
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09:44<User_777>is ok, but its uinstalled nm-apllet, that i use to conect my wireless network. My question is: its a nm-applet substitude:
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09:45<Aleric2>movie works too...
09:45<valdyn>User_777: nm-applet is in the network-manager-gnome package
09:45<User_777>if it is, how to use it, and if isnt, can i uinstall it to put back nm-apllet without problems:
09:46<Aleric2>lemme try SecondLife... seems I don't need a new driver
09:46<valdyn>User_777: i dont think there ever was an nm-applet package
09:48<User_777>ok, but, in installing gnome-network-admin its normal uinstall network-manager-gnome:
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09:49<User_777>if its, how to use gnome-network-admin to conect wireless nets:
09:49<User_777>(how to open it)
09:51<User_777>ty, i think i have foun the answer
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09:51<User_777>its just open network-admin >:
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09:53<User_777>is it just open network-admin?
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09:54<almost>yang: hello
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10:13<mitm>greets all
10:13<mitm>I know u all know me
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10:14<mitm>does anyone here know how to setup a web registra company just like godaddy
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10:17<bja>mitm: Do you think that a Debian channel is the place to ask a business question?
10:17<toiez>hi! i'm having a problem with debian squeeze and network manager.
10:18<toiez>now network manager gnome conflicts with gnomw network admin and i can't use it any more
10:18<toiez>can someone help?
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10:20<mitm>I didnt see a specific topic
10:20<mitm>but since linux/Unix are Os used in such, I decided to ask in here
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10:48<bremner>mitm: I recommend irritating large groups of people, and then trying get their business. Good luck!
10:48<slind>Hello. I'm trying to setup a openvpn in bridge mode (on debian lenny) ... after executing the sample script "bridge-start" the server is no longer accessible
10:48<slind>..but on local lan i'm still able to connect via ssh
10:49<slind>now i realized that the server cannot reach the internet after a reboot everything is ok until i rerun "bridge-start"
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10:52<igsen>Using pidgin 2.4.3 on Lenny stable Status shows Available-connecting but I can't connect. Help please....
10:53<mitm>5 bucks :)
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10:59<SoftICE>i get Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_icon_info_load_icon: assertion `icon_info != NULL' failed when running transmission
10:59<SoftICE>transmission also segfaults because of this
11:00<mitm>how's that ? SoftICE?
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11:04<SoftICE>when i try to run transmission it immediately segfaults
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11:05<SoftICE>but it doesnt if run as root
11:06<mitm>perhaps it has restrictions that only a root user can do..
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11:20<mitm>How can I create my own DNS server ?
11:20<mitm>(What organization should I tell this, and how much this costs ?)
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11:32<Rioting_Pacifist>I just want a simple to configure ftp deamon for hosting /data read-only to anybody on my lan (preferably with good transfere speeds), are any well suited to this ftpd/vsftpd/etc?
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11:33<jaimesilva>hi, everyone! I just made a dist-upgrade and my network-manager-gnome package was removed in favor of gnome-network-admin. So, how am I supposed to configure my network connection easily? I mean enable/disable wi-fi, choose access point, etc.
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11:34<philippe_>comment je peux monter mes partition windows pour que les user puisse lire les donee sans avoir in permission denied ?
11:34<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
11:35<bja>philippe_: /dev/hda1 /windows ntfs user,noauto,umask=0222 0 2
11:36<bja>philippe_: or whatever /dev/* your windows partition is in
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11:40<philippe_>should i create /windows first ?
11:40<patrikf>hmm. is there some debugging tool that allows me to view the network traffic of one single program?
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11:41<rudi_s>Rioting_Pacifist: Why not simple use a http web server?
11:42<locklace>patrikf: not usually needed, since most programs only do a particular kind of traffic that can easily be filtered for
11:42<bja>philippe_: yep
11:42<patrikf>locklace: I just remembered that strace can filter network-related calls
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11:42<jaimesilva>please, can someone explain me why, in testing, network-manager-gnome conflicts with network-manager-gnome? How am I supposed to configure easily my network now?
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11:43<jaimesilva>sorry, it was gnome-network-admin conflicts with network-manager-gnome
11:43<bja>dpkg: tell jaimesilva about patiente
11:43<gsimmons>jaimesilva: See Debian bugs #460691 and #533766. If you want network-manager-gnome, remove gnome-network-admin and install network-manager-gnome.
11:44<philippe_>do i need to set permission on /windows once i created it with root .
11:44<bja>philippe_: not really
11:45<philippe_>thanks going for reboot
11:45<bja>philippe_: they will only be able to read
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11:46<bja>philippe_: bon chance
11:46<diederik>philippe_: for read-write support, get the ntfs-3g package
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11:46<diederik>philippe_: and replace ntfs with ntfs-3g in your fstab
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11:47<jaimesilva>the problem is, if I try to install network-manager-gnome then apt says it must remove "gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-network-admin", so actually gnome is now incompatible with network-manager-gnome
11:47<bja>diederik: didn't catch that line, although he asked for reqding privilidges
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11:47<bja>diederik: I didn't know there was write support for ntfs
11:48<diederik>bja: the ntfs driver itself does not, the ntfs-3g driver does
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11:49<bja>diederik: thx
11:49<gsimmons>dpkg: tell jaimesilva -about unmarkauto
11:50<Rioting_Pacifist>rudi_s: because im only transfering files, surely ftp is better suited than http?
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11:52<rudi_s>Rioting_Pacifist: I have to admit I don't know really what is better. But it works very well with HTTP and a web server is easier to setup (and normally more secure).
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11:53<locklace>Rioting_Pacifist: vsftpd
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11:54<locklace>Rioting_Pacifist: what os will the clients be running
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11:55<Rioting_Pacifist>locklace: windows mainly, but i'd like it to be compatible for any os
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11:56<locklace>Rioting_Pacifist: the main question is really how you want them to be able to access the data. e.g. are you happy with having to use something like a windows ftp client, or do you want them to be able to "mount" the data as a network drive
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11:57<jaimesilva>gsimmons, is not an automark issue it that gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment that depends on gnome-network-admin
11:58<Rioting_Pacifist>happy with them using an ftp client, filebrowsers can normally handle ftp, firefox should handle it too or do you need index.html files for that to work?
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11:59<jaimesilva>gsimmons, if I try "apt-get install network-manager-gnome gnome gnome-desktop-environment" I get an unmet dependency error: "gnome-network-admin: Conflicts: network-manager-gnome but 0.7.1-1 is to be installed"
11:59<locklace>Rioting_Pacifist: no, they'll handle it fine, although with ftp you'll have to either specify a username/password or set up anonymous ftp on the server
11:59<Rioting_Pacifist>locklace: anon is fine vsftpd.conf seams fairly easy to configure thx
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12:02<jaimesilva>now if I try "apt-get install network-manager-gnome gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-network-admin-" I get "The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-network-admin (>= 2.22.1) but it is not going to be installed"
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12:02<jaimesilva>so I guess I have found a bug, do I?
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12:02<jaimesilva>I will check gnome-desktop-environment's reported bugs
12:03<philippe_>sorry i missed something what was the fstab entry to mount the ntfs parttion ?
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12:04<Rioting_Pacifist>jaimesilva: I'm no expert on debian packaging but gnome-desktop-enviroment sounds like a metapackage, i'm not sure if what you've found is a bug or simply that the maintainer thinkgs gnome-network-admin is better than network-manager
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12:06<slind>hi all! i really need help. when i start my openvpn daemon, lenny is no longer reachable over network...
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12:10<jaimesilva>Rioting_Pacifist, maybe but I want my gnome system to be up-to-date with the current gnome, if I uninstall the metapackage I will lost future gnome apps an tools and will be stick with the current ones
12:13<jaimesilva>on the other hand if I remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment metapackages I will have autoremove annoying me about removing all the gnome apps, so I'll have to switch them all to manually installed, one by one
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12:18<Rioting_Pacifist>jaimesilva: true is there actually a solution, gnome-desktop-enviroment has to install a set of network tools, if you don't want them, how can they packageit to allow part of a metapackage to be replaced?
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12:20<diederik>philippe_: /dev/hda1 /windows ntfs user,noauto,umask=0222 0 2
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12:20<jaimesilva>Rioting_Pacifist, well they can add an optional dependency like the one that is already in the gnome package, that depends on gnome-network-admin OR network-manager-gnome
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12:23<Rioting_Pacifist>jaimesilva: will that work? when debian is first installed how will it know which to install? or is the installer smart enough to get around this?
12:24<jaimesilva>Rioting_Pacifist, well there are a lot of those kind of dependencies in a lot of packages, I guess it installs the package present in the disk
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12:28<klh>jaimesilva, aptitude is better than apt-get to solve some dependencies problem, did you try it ?
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12:32<jaimesilva>klh, it will try to remove all the gnome apps in order to install network-manager-gnome
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12:35<klh>erf, to not get this type of problems I just install gnome-core and that I want, no metapackage
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12:37<jaimesilva>It is already fixed in unstable, I just had to add a -t unstable to apt-get, I forgot to try the unstable version after making all this noise, sorry :P. It is broken in testing, but fixed in unstable
12:37<locklace>!lart Guest300
12:37*dpkg decapitates Guest300 conan the destroyer style
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12:44<jaimesilva>klh, I like to be surprised by new added gnome tools and features
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12:44<Slurb>i added the testing repos and did a dist upgrade...will i always have testing now?
12:45<lukasz>Hello, can anybody help me? I can't open audio CDs on Debian recently, by I was able to listen to them earlier and I don't know why...
12:45<Slurb>even when they change the names
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12:45<Slurb>luk sounds like a volume issue
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12:46<jaimesilva>ok, network-manager-gnome is up an working again :)
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12:48<Slurb>how do you run network manager from the command line
12:48<Slurb>it tries root athentication and i disabled root login
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12:51<jaimesilva>Slurb, use sudo
12:51<Slurb>i know
12:52<Slurb>whats the command for network manager
12:52<slind>So I got more informations about my problem: After starting the openvpn daemon the server looses
12:52<slind>his routing tables...
12:52<lukasz>no, it's not a volume issue - the CD cannot be opened by any player and I don't know why...
12:52<jaimesilva>Slurb, or try gksu "command"
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12:54<stuckey>lukasz: What player?
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12:56<lukasz>stuckey: I've already tried amarok, vlc, mplayer and exaile - none of them can open any audio CD...
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12:57<cahoot>nothing in dmesg?
12:57<stuckey>lukasz: Is the Cd mounted?
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12:58<lukasz>stuckey: audio CDs cannot be mounted, because they don't have a specified file system
12:58<stuckey>lukasz: Audio CDs have a file system.
12:59<cahoot>anyway they're not meant to be mounted
12:59<stuckey>Perhaps someone else here knows more than I on the subject; I do believe that they can be mounted.
12:59<stuckey>cahoot: Well it might be prudent for one who wishes to play files from them.
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13:00<cahoot>nothing in dmesg? lukasz
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13:00<stuckey>lukasz: Are you using a desktop enviroment?
13:01<lukasz>Yes, I'm using desktop environment and dmesg throws a bunch of errors...
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13:01<stuckey>Please post them to
13:02<stuckey>lukasz: Usually I don't listen to audio cds... I just rip them and listen to them as wav or flac.
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13:04<Slurb>looks like a kernel issue
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13:04<Slurb>bad module perhaps
13:05<Slurb>or a bad drive
13:05<cahoot>lukasz: tried another cd?
13:05<bremner>lukasz: it looks like something is trying to mount it as a data cd
13:05<lukasz>tried another CDs - cannot open any...
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13:06<stuckey>Have you tried other drives?
13:06<Slurb>i had a mount problem with my ipod...turned out to be a bad module
13:06<lukasz>I've got only one cdrom
13:07<Slurb>did the error start after an upgrade?
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13:07<Slurb>do data cd's mount ok?
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13:09<bja>Slurb: a visual inspection of the lens might shed some light
13:10<Slurb>yeah but thats not an easy thing to look at
13:10<ml|>bja: loves to clean lens ;)
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13:11<ml|>bja: can't figure out why i get an error when checking md5sum's on internal dvd but works fine rest of the time, or atleast seems so
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13:16<bja>ml|: there is a procedure to check the capabilities of your dvd drive, let me take a look at my archives to see if i have it
13:17<ml|>bja: ok
13:17<lukasz>somethings wrong - sound juicer detects the CD and lists all songs, but abcde tells me that none CD is in the drive...
13:17<cahoot>the errors in dmesg look ominous
13:18<bja>ml|: seems that archive is long gone, try EAC site If my memory serves me right, i took it from there
13:19<bja>ml|: although it is a windows program it sheds a lot of light on the subject
13:19<ml|>bja: ok will do some reading
13:19<bja>ml|: gl
13:19<ml|>bja: i love eac :)
13:19<ml|>yeah will need it :)
13:19<bja>ml|: me too, they say it can be run under wine, I just haven't got the time to test it
13:19<ml|>bja: thought of installing xp in vm just for eac
13:20<bja>ml|: me too :)
13:20<ml|>bja: it does, but in vm works best
13:20<cahoot>wodim -prcaps?
13:20<Slurb>i have a vm whats eac do?
13:20<ml|>abcde works good tho
13:21<ml|>exact audio copy
13:21<cahoot>wodim -checkdrive rather
13:22<ml|>but aec+react mp3tag is hard to beat :)
13:22<bja>cahoot: I believe eac is somewhat of a variation of cdrdao exported to windows or something similar, but don't take my word for it
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13:22<cahoot>I wouldn't know
13:22<bja>cahoot: its all stated on their site,
13:22<ml|>and albumart
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13:22<ml|>best combo ever for ripping cds
13:23<bja>ml|: don't forget flac plugin for compression
13:23<Slurb>i use soundkonverter and get great audio using cdda2wav and lame
13:23<ml|>well that goes without saying + ogg
13:23<ml|>or lame
13:24<ml|>Slurb: i don't think any comes close to eac, wish it worked on linux natively
13:24<Slurb>cdparanoia and lame is better audio im sure
13:25<ml|>cdparania is good
13:25<bja>Slurb: no pun intended but i've tried it and well ...
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13:25<ml|>abcde+cdparanoia is good also give it a try
13:26<ml|>closes to eac i have found on linux - albumart
13:27<Slurb>on windows best ive found is cdex
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13:28<ml|>Slurb: you need to try eac on windows it's the best
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13:28<Slurb>i am getting it right now
13:29<ml|>Slurb: you will need to do some reading but it's worth it
13:29<llutz>it's a "must have" for audio fans ;)
13:30<ml|>llutz: for sure
13:30<ml|>the wiki thier will help you get going with eac
13:30<stuckey>All you need is cdparanoia and flac.
13:30<llutz>cdda2wav + lame are quite close to eac for mp3
13:31<cahoot>strange day on #debian with shameless plugs for windows apps
13:31<bja>cahoot: It seems we are music fans :)
13:31<ml|>cahoot: nothing against linux
13:31<cahoot>just off topic
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13:31<ml|>true i'm done
13:32<bja>I've been tempted lots of times to ask for the source code to port it to Debian :)
13:32<ml|>the author won't give it up
13:32<stuckey>What's the big deal about eac?
13:33<ml|>cahoot: wodim -checkdrive <--- that for me?
13:33<bja>I've never asked and I'm sure he will never let it go
13:33<ml|>stuckey: #debian-offtopic
13:33<cahoot>ml|: wodim -prcap and/or wodim -checkdrive
13:33<ml|>cahoot: ok thxs will try
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13:34<bja>btw is there a way to play sound files with a cue file, live concerts sound better this way
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13:38<stuckey>bja: What do you mean?
13:38<cahoot>isn't a cue file just a list of entries?
13:38<Slurb>eac works great with virtualbox as long as passthrough is enabled
13:38<stuckey>bja: You can split a file by a .cue file...
13:39<stuckey>(or .toc file)
13:39<ml|>cahoot: yes
13:39<bja>stuckey: yes i know, but have you heard a live concert on seperate tracks, it sounds better when you play a single file.
13:39<cahoot>so how would a cue file inluence sound quality?
13:39<ml|>but you can change the times so there are no gaps
13:40<stuckey>bja: Oh so you want to put seperate .flac files together based upon a .cue/.toc?
13:40<ml|>but it can be done some other ways too
13:41<bja>cahoot: the gaps between the songs even when gap set to zero you can hear it
13:41<bja>ml|: I'm all ears
13:41<cahoot>try aqualung
13:41<ml|>like cahoot just said with right app i use moc :)
13:41<ml|>or big file
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13:42<bja>ml|: i use mocp and also long files :(
13:42<ml|>bja: but with moc don't need big files
13:42<ml|>or aqualung
13:42<bja>ml|: Some concerts do need them :(
13:43<ml|>bja: are they flacs
13:43<bja>ml|: is there any other format ? :)
13:43<bja>ml|: yes they are
13:43<ml|>flac is gapless by default, yes :P
13:44<ml|>with right player no gaps
13:44*bremner goggles at the statement "container format x is gapless"
13:44<bja>i believe so, I'll take a look at aqualung as soon as i get a faster connection, 5k is veeerrrryyyyy slooooww
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13:46<ml|>bremner: flac and ogg are gapless by default and some others i'm sure
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13:46<bja>bremner: by default flac doesn't insert a pretrack gap unless you make it do so
13:46<bremner>ml|, bja : there are formats that insert pretrack gaps?
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13:47<bremner>or just encoders
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13:47<ml|>yes mp3
13:47<ml|>mp3 are not gapless
13:47<ml|>unless you do some magic
13:47<ml|>using lame or app
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13:48<almost>yang: hello
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13:52<ml|>bja: no need for aqualung tho mocp can handle that
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13:53<bja>ml|: I now mocp does a great job, but well I was just wandering for a better solution
13:54<ml|>bja: ok try aqualung, but i prefer mocp :)
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13:55<stuckey>mocp is the best
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13:55<ml|>i think so, but it is missing a feature or two
13:55<bja>ml|: I'll try to make an objective decision
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13:55<ml|>bja: gl heh
13:55<noousr>can i burn a cd iso onto a dvd?
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13:56<bja>craps i kant speld goog tobai
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13:57<ml|>bja: you had it right the first time :P
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13:57<bja>yea i knew, then i had the idea it was wrong then i realized it was right. Not a good day to compete on a spelling bee
13:58<ml|>would be nice if mocp could play cd's :(
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13:58<ml|>bja: there is an irssi plugin that can help
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14:00<bja>ml|: shoot
14:00<ml|>bja: heh one sec
14:02<bja>ml|: looking into it right now thx
14:02<Zylvain>each time I start a new gnome session, there is a file manager window pops up (~/, nautilus), any idea how to track this to fix it ?
14:03<ml|>did you save a session with nautilus open?
14:03<Zylvain>i can't see it's from ~/.config/autostart/
14:03<Zylvain>save session ?
14:03<Zylvain>no i never use nautilus
14:04<ml|>use cli as file manger?
14:04<bja>Zylvain: I thought nautilus comes bundled inside gnome as default?
14:04<ml|>bja: it does
14:04<Zylvain>hm... i found, it's the entry "File Manager" in the Sessions Preferences
14:05<Zylvain>god, no idea how it arrived there
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14:05<Zylvain>it's one year i've setup this machine, and just few days it does this, and never added that session entry by hand
14:06<ml|>so it was a saved session?
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14:07<Zylvain>the option "Remember session when logout" is not activated
14:08<Zylvain>some package install or some program would have added it
14:08<bja>Zylvain: Maybe you just pressed by mistake "Save Session" when you had it opened
14:08<Zylvain>no idea which and when
14:08<ml|>yeah like bja said
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14:09<bja>Zylvain: The sky will not fall on your shoulders for that :)
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14:09<ml|>bja: sure about that... mean while a plane falls from the sky
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14:10<Zylvain>bja: don't like random or mystery :)
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14:11<Zylvain>usually i google around, and it's few seconds after asking on irc, that I solve the issue by myself
14:11<Zylvain>that's called laziness :P
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14:15<Desiac>i've just setup dual boot debian / osx on my macbook, sucessfully installed OS and all s/ware i need, survived many reboots. on my last reboot its just locking up on reboot saying "grub". i hadn't changed any grub or boot settings since the last reboot. I've tried booting into rescue mode on the cd twice, updating grub and reinstalling to the mbr and partition. all ok without errors
14:15<Desiac>but still gives me grub error, anyone have any suggestions or ideas? running lenny
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14:20<ml|>Desiac: try asking in #debian-ppc
14:21<Desiac>ml|: would be more of an grub issue than mac wouldn't? or am i way offf track, btw intel based
14:22<bja>Desiac: have you fsck your disk?
14:22<ml|>yes could be either or both and figured that but can't hurt to ask their, theres problably some people that dual boot tho
14:22<Desiac>bja: doing as we speak :)
14:23<Desiac>ml|: good idea :) tis almost 5am here not thinking to clearly
14:23<ml|>gl :)
14:24<Desiac>no one in the chan
14:24<bja>Desiac: If it isn't urgent why don't you take a nap, I promise to stop your laptop if it tries to run away :)
14:25<ml|>well that suggestion sucked, maybe try same channel on freenode
14:25<Desiac>need it up and running for work on monday
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14:25<ml|>you have a day to work on it
14:25<bja>better fresh that tired
14:26<ml|>with rest you might figure it out, tho for me sometimes staying works ;)
14:27<Desiac>yeah, but i prolly wont be able to get to sleep, might give it another 30 mins and see if i have any success :)
14:27<bja>ml|: you are a bot on someones computer that mistakenly connecte to an irc server long ago :)
14:27<bja>your choicce
14:27<ml|>bja: yes i'm :)
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14:28<ml|>do a search for mac irc channels that miht help
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14:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:30<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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14:31<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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14:31<ml|>bja: wasn't sure so i used the nuclear option ;)
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14:33<bja>ml|: knard is more or less how the word for duck sounds in french
14:34<bja>canard i believe it is spelled
14:34<bja>today is not the day for that hehe
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14:35<bja>ml|: tried it would be of great help if it could be configured for each channel idependently
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14:37<ml|>wodim -checkdrive tells me its unsupported which is right cause it's only a dvd reader
14:37<ml|>bja: well one is better than nothing
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14:51<bja>ml|: guess you are right :)
14:54<Zviper>im getting an error when trying to add a user
14:54<Zviper>groupadd: unable to lock group file
14:54<Zviper>adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1006 hera' returned error code 10. Exiting.
14:55<blarson>Zviper: fuser /etc/group to see what is keeping it open
14:55<Zviper>returns nothing
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15:00<Zviper>this is odd
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15:18<Zviper>this error won't go away
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15:27<stuckey>Where do you put your chroot folder? In / ?
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15:30<stuckey>How do I set up a chroot to use a different system architecture? I'm using AMD64 but I want to make one that is i386.
15:30<ml|>stuckey: maybe /tmp
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15:36<ml|>stuckey: have you read ...
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15:37<stuckey>ml|: I'm reading it now
15:37<stuckey>ml|: Doesn't say anything about chroot with different architectures.
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15:40<ml|>stuckey: i have no idea sry
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15:41<ml|>stuckey: this is what you reading? ...
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15:43<panv>hi there... does anyone knows when would gnome 2.26 be available for debian ?? i mean i am considering to switch to ubuntu (lol) just to see how it looks like ~!
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15:43<stroyan>stuckey: Have a look at
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15:45<panv>or can i just add the sources of ubuntu, and download packages from there >??
15:45<panv>any answer ?
15:45<panv>it's all *.deb isn't it ?
15:46<diederik>panv: don't, just don't
15:46<panv>don't what >?? diederik ??
15:46<diederik>don't mix ubuntu sources with debian sources
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15:47<panv>lol... i promise i won't...
15:47<panv>so, it's better to move to ubuntu >?? diederik ??
15:47<ml|>panv: you use lenny?
15:47<diederik>that would be your choice ;)
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15:48<panv>i use linux 2.6.29-bpo.2-amd64
15:48<craigevil>panv: a lot of gnome 2.26 is in sid, or you can build it from source :)
15:48<stroyan>stuckey: There is more discussion of 32-bit schroot and debootstrap without the ubuntu bias at-
15:48<panv>i had to use that kernel to make my wireless card work
15:48<panv>it's was a complete night of work/search..
15:48<panv>i know craigevil ... but i am not that talented...
15:49<panv>or let's say, i don't wanna make mistakes..
15:49<panv>what about gnome vs kde ?
15:49<diederik>then don't call them mistakes, but learning experiences LOL
15:49<panv>because i still have problems with my wireless card..
15:50<panv>thanks but i am not in a period where i can afford those learning experiences.
15:50<panv>my whole work rely on my system.
15:50<panv>i can';t *
15:51<panv>sooooooooo i leave the learning for you guys, and i search and copy what you did to solve your problems lol
15:51<stroyan>There is an important difference between knowingly avoiding mistakes and just unknowingly missing the mistakes.
15:51<panv>explain that please stroyan ~!~ i kindof like it
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15:52<stroyan>The mistakes that you don't know about can be missed by happenstance. But that usually doesn't last long.
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15:54<panv>i agree with you. but i have been managing like that for the last six years.
15:54<panv>i am not interested in maintaining the OS, but i love it coz i can solve it's problems by searching how other people did.
15:54<panv>i am not capable of solving problems.
15:54<panv>by the way, my whole environment hates me because i use open source !!
15:54-!-panv was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
15:54<bja>unless you are one lucky bastard :)
15:56<stroyan>It seems that debhelper thinks panv discovered another mistake. ;-)
15:56<bja>guess ran out of luck :(
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15:59<ml|>panv should move to sid or ubuntu if he wants the latest stuff
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16:00<diederik>but he(?) also needs a stable desktop for work, sound contradicting to me
16:00<diederik>otoh virtual machines are great for experiments like that
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16:01<ml|>bremner: gnome 2.26 is in bpo?
16:01<stroyan>A sid schroot can be nice also. But running a desktop from schroot would be tricky.
16:01<bremner>oh, I didn't know that was the specific request. Hard to know a good reason for _needing_ the latest version of gnome/kde
16:01*bremner sees the backscroll now, sorry
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16:03<Zviper>so no one knows what i could do about this? groupadd: unable to lock group file
16:03<Zviper>adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1006 hera' returned error code 10. Exiting.
16:03<ml|>we all make mistakes ;)
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16:03<stroyan>Zviper: sudo that ?
16:04<Zviper>im root
16:04<Zviper>and i tried sudo-ing
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16:05<stroyan>You could strace that. With a non-root user I see "open("/etc/.pwd.lock", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_CLOEXEC, 0600) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)"
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16:05<reno31>salut tout le monde
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16:05<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
16:06<reno31>Thank U
16:06<bja>2 points for ml|
16:06<ml|>!win ml|
16:06<dpkg>Congratulations, ml|! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut!
16:06<diederik>Zviper: what are you trying to do?
16:07<Zviper>add a user with adduser
16:07<Zviper>beirut is badass btw
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16:08<diederik>and the name of the user is 'hera' and you want it to be placed in group with id 1006?
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16:11<Zviper>i don't care about the group id
16:12<Zviper>but the username is hera
16:12<diederik>what's the purpose then of '-g 1006'?
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16:14<Zviper>diederik, this is the command i use
16:14<Zviper>adduser hera
16:14<Zviper>nothing more
16:14<diederik>and that didn't work?
16:14<Zviper>i get an error..
16:14<Zviper>groupadd: unable to lock group file
16:14<Zviper>adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1006 hera' returned error code 10. Exiting.
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16:15<diederik>... the one you specified before, ok, I understand now
16:15<ml|>Zviper: try a reboot?
16:15<stroyan>Zviper: If you run strace -f adduser hera you can see the underlying system call error.
16:15<diederik>ls -l /etc/group
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16:16<Zviper>strace command not found?
16:16<Zviper>should i apt-get it?
16:16<Zviper>oh this is interesting
16:16<Zviper>E: Unable to write mmap - msync (28 No space left on device)
16:16<Zviper>when i tried to apt-get it
16:17<Zviper>i think my /root is full
16:17<stroyan>That could cause both problems. df -h
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16:19<stuckey>Anyone have experience with making a 32bit chroot on a 64bit system?
16:19<reno31>I just do a new install of lenny from netinstall, and when done, the x server never start
16:19<stroyan>stuckey: I did it. Using debootstrap and schroot. But it has been a while.
16:19<stuckey>stroyan: I'm reading the article you sent.
16:20<reno31>i dont have Ctrl+Alt+F1,access, nothing work
16:20<bja>reno31: did you get a dhcp prompt
16:20<bja>reno31: or a way to configure your network card
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16:21<reno31>my network card seems configure but i have no screen
16:21<ml|>reno31: did you install gnome/kde
16:21<diederik>reno31: how did you install? what tasks did you select?
16:21<ml|>or a wm
16:21<ert34>What etch really means? It is just a debian version like lenny or squeeze, or something else?
16:21<reno31>do with the CD select the desktop when asked
16:21<ml|>or even xorg
16:22<bja>reno31: how long did it took to download everything?
16:22<reno31>30 mn
16:22<ml|>ert34: oldstable
16:23<ml|>dpkg: tell ert34 about oldstable
16:23<bja>reno31: i guess you are getting help from #debian-fr stick to one channel at a time its best for every one
16:23<stroyan>ert34: has the list
16:23<stuckey>stroyan: this is taking about "schroot". Is that the same thing?
16:23<reno31>yes sorry
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16:23<dpkg>[schroot] an easy way of setting up a chroot of testing or unstable within your installation of stable. See and
16:24<dpkg>methinks chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
16:24<stroyan>stuckey: schroot is a handy way to do chroot and accompanying bind mounts. debootstrap is a handy way to set up a chroot install for schroot.
16:24<stuckey>Ahh, it's all so confusing.
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16:25<stroyan>stuckey: You can use debootstrap+schroot for 32-bit in 64-bit, or for different releases, or for just isolating different configurations you are trying out.
16:26<ml|>or use a vm
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16:27<stroyan>ml|: A schroot is a lot lighter than a vm. But it does require a common kernel that can support the different chroot environments.
16:28<ml|>stroyan: just offering another option, kvm is not bad
16:29<ml|>but stuckey might want to learn
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16:36<stuckey>stroyan: which lines in the /schroot.conf do I edit?
16:36<stuckey>The one that is labeded as etch?
16:36<stuckey>There isn't a lenny
16:36<reno31>so i quit the french channel (the helper tell me to reinstall my ubuntu)
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16:37<reno31>sorry ^^
16:37<reno31>any idea for the X server ?
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16:38<stuckey>reno31: Which version are you using?
16:38<reno31>debian 5.0
16:39<stuckey>reno31: Try "X -configure"
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16:39<ml|>< reno31> so i quit the french channel (the helper tell me to reinstall my ubuntu) or debian?
16:40<reno31>i did 3 times for now and dont change anything
16:40<ml|>reno31: using ubuntu?
16:40<ml|>debian now?
16:40<reno31>yes if it will work
16:41<ml|>reno31: have you read install manuall?
16:41<diederik>reno31: and all 3 times it failed? In the same way?
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16:41<reno31>how do i can X configure without any shell
16:41<stroyan>stuckey: You will want to start from one that has a personality=linux32 line. You can edit it to match the release that you want.
16:41<reno31>yes same way
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16:42<ml|>dpkg tell reno31 about install manual
16:42<reno31>just when gdm is supposed to start i have a black screen
16:42<diederik>try installing, but this time only select the base task (so no desktop task)
16:42<stuckey>stroyan: do I uncommend all lines in that one?
16:42<prahal>reno31, X don't need configure options ... reading the backlog to try to understand what s exactly happening
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16:42<ml|>!wb judd
16:42<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! judd has returned!
16:42<diederik>reno31: have you tried starting up in single user mode?
16:43<reno31>yes same way
16:43<prahal>reno31, you can start without X by choosing the single user in grub
16:43<prahal>no cannot be . In single user mode there is no X
16:43<stroyan>stuckey: you could read through "man schroot.conf" and decide if you like the way those lines are setting the config. ;-)
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16:43<diederik>reno31: in single-user mode you did not get a command line???
16:44<prahal>reno31, do you get a visual at any time while booting (of anything)
16:44<reno31>i have also a grub problem (error 17), i by pass this one with the grub livecd
16:44<prahal>and how old is your box and screen ? (to know if this is of age of broken acpi or non EDID screen)
16:44<ml|>reno31: read install manual and try again
16:45<reno31>trying to boot with the single mode
16:45<ml|>reno31: read msg from dpkg
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16:45<stroyan>stuckey: If you are only setting up one schroot, you could make sure the aliases line includes "default".
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16:46<prahal>if grub is not working you won't go far until it is fixed
16:47<stuckey>stroyan: should I just put the user as group and user?
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16:48<maxxe>what's better in ubuntu? i love debian, but then i got a bit unsure.. can ubuntu do something that debian can't?
16:48<prahal>reno31, . I suspect it may be a bios setting for the hard drive that is wrong
16:48<diederik>prahal: lol, I was just looking at that thread
16:48<stroyan>stuckey: I just have users as my account and groups as sbuild
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16:51<stuckey>stroyan: How do I do the bootstrap? What's the difference in using "pbuilder" and "deboostrap"?
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16:51<prahal>maxxe, it varies. You have more up to date gnome (but debian is catching up progressively since lenny release) but old underneath software (everything that is in universe tends to be less heavely maintained). PPA for ubuntu sometimes provides softwarre that are not available in debian (the opposite is true , debian ship some things that are not in debian ). So there are things that are better in ubuntu, other in debian . But the exa
16:51<prahal>ct things to which this applly varies with time
16:52<reno31>ok i'm loggin single user mode
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16:52<reno31>i can run command
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16:53<stroyan>stuckey: pbuilder is really focused on creating a package building environment. debootstrap creates a full (minimal) system image.
16:53<diederik>reno31: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors (EE)
16:53<prahal>for example I want to contribute to gnome voice control . Not a problem that this is not in debian . But sphingx pocket which is in ubuntu is also not in debian and it is an heavy dependency of it ... maybe I ll find the opportunity to step up and try to become a Debian maintainer and this will be resolved though there are so many projects
16:54<stuckey>stroyan: How do I do the debootstrap command?
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16:54<reno31>diederik: why should i search
16:54<prahal>reno31, type xinit in a console
16:55<stroyan>stuckey: Running debootstrap is step 3 of It is a one-liner. (But you may want to use a different release than sid)
16:55<maxxe>prahal: yea more up to date packages in ubuntu i suppose
16:55<prahal>reno31, "what" I bet ? grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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16:55<prahal>maxxe, no not for most of what is in debian . But for gnome per se it is true
16:56<maxxe>prahal: okay
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16:56<stuckey>stroyan: as root?
16:57<prahal>and they tend to be unstable in their unstable distribution (not just package conflicts issue and migration , real trunk of any project are integrated and are buggy ... somewhat a sin shared with fedora
16:57<stroyan>stuckey: Yes, As root.
16:57<maxxe>prahal: i guess i can do anything i want in debian, so i see no need to change the distro. but i still got a bit unsure :)don't know why.
16:57<maxxe>debian rules
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16:59<stroyan>stuckey: You may also want a different http server than the example. You want one geographically close to you.
17:00<reno31>prahal: Failed to load module "type 1" (module does not exist, 0)
17:00<stuckey>stroyan: Yeah I used one that is closer.
17:01<diederik>reno31: if that's the only error, there isn't a real problem with X
17:01<stuckey>stroyan: So how do I install a .deb in this thing now?
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17:01<reno31>that the only (EE) error i had
17:01<maxxe>prahal: there's a company behind ubuntu, right? but it isn't for debian?
17:02<diederik>I would focus on fixing your GRUB error, if sth is wrong with HDD (detection) it'll bite you sooner or later
17:02<reno31>maxxe: cannonical = ubuntu
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17:02<stroyan>stuckey: You can run schroot to start a shell in it and start adding .deb packages.
17:02<maxxe>reno31: yea
17:02<reno31>in grub i need to set root (hd0,0) instead of root (hd1,0)
17:03<prahal>maxxe, no that s the whole point behind the creation for debian (to be community driven at a time when there was only company driven distributions ... that does not means company cannot gget involved . I believe it means multiple company could get involved even competing with each others
17:03<reno31>how do i ix this one
17:03<cor>(hello - im being spammed by jacksmit on enter ...)
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17:03<reno31>editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
17:03<stroyan>stuckey: I have /home in /etc/schroot/mount-defaults so I can see the same home directory in a schroot shell.
17:03<maxxe>prahal: yea.
17:04<stuckey>stroyan: E: /etc/schroot/schroot.conf: line 37: No group specified: “description=Debian Lenny (stable) 32-bit”
17:04<prahal>in practice companies tend to make blends of debian . xandros, etc . We are still more like xfree86 than Xorg
17:05<prahal>reno31, what is the device file for the root partition
17:05<reno31>hd (0,0) work, i can boot on this one
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17:05<prahal>I mean the linux device name not the grub one
17:06<stroyan>stuckey: It sounds like you don't have an uncommented "groups=" line in your schroot.conf.
17:06<reno31> /dev/sdb1 is /
17:06<prahal>cause your have to minus 1 to linux device names for grub so sdb1 is hd0,0
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17:07<diederik>prahal: is it? isn't that hd1,0 ?
17:07<prahal>about xorg log . type 1 was the only error ?
17:07<adb>diederik: right
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17:07<reno31> /dev/sdb should be hd(1.0) but !!
17:07<prahal>oups yes . minus one is only for the last number
17:08<diederik>sd_a_ would be device nr 0
17:08<stuckey>stroyan: groups=sbuild
17:08<stuckey>That's what I have
17:10<stroyan>stuckey: Here is a working lenny32 that I just set up.
17:10<prahal>reno31, which type of partitions scheme did you choosed ? everything in one single partition ? Do you have two hdd ? could you check /boot/grub/ for the mapping between grub names and linux device files
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17:10<reno31>fstab :/dev/sdb1 / : /dev!:sdb9 /home : /dev/sdb8 /tmp : /dev/sdb5 /usr : /dev/sdb6 /var : /dev/sdb7 swap
17:11<reno31>i got 3 of them
17:11<reno31>(2 actually unmount)
17:11<hyperactivething>I'm using squeeze/sid, and dist-upgrade just uninstalled network-manager-gnome in favor of gnome-network-admin. It closed nm-applet, but didn't open up anything in its place. Help?
17:12<diederik>reno31: which are unmounted?
17:12<reno31>sda, sdc
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17:13<reno31>(hd0) /dev/sda : (hd1) /dev/sdb : (hd2) /dev/sdc
17:14<diederik>then root pointing to hd1,0 is the correct statement
17:15<stuckey>stroyan: when I use yours I get the same thing except it says "type=directory" instead of "description=*"
17:15<reno31>yes but i put in the grub option (by editing line with e) hd(0,0) and it start
17:15<prahal>hyperactivething, gnome 1:2.24.3~3 fixes this (in sid) . In the mean time you can remove gnome metapackage and make its dependencies manual installled
17:16<reno31>error 17 if I set hd(1,0)
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17:16<stroyan>stuckey: Perhaps you missed the "[lenny32]" line???
17:16<hyperactivething>prahal: whoa, that's a lot of packages
17:17<stuckey>stroyan: E: default: Chroot not found
17:17<stuckey>You were right; now i've another error.
17:17<prahal>hyperactivething, below 40 :)
17:18<hyperactivething>prahal: hmm how unstable is the gnome version in sid?
17:18<prahal>hyperactivething, use aptitude . It kind of easy with that
17:18<stuckey>stroyan: I think I may have the location set wrong...
17:18<stuckey>stroyan: how do I find out where it installed it to?
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17:19<reno31>( in the BIOS sdb is the first boot device )
17:19<stuckey>stroyan: nope, I have it right
17:19<stroyan>stuckey: You installed it to where you told debootstrap to put it.
17:19<stuckey>stroyan: Yeah, I have the location right.
17:20<stroyan>stuckey: schroot -l will tell you what schroot names are configured. "schroot -i" will tell you where it thinks you said to look for the directory.
17:20<prahal>hyperactivething, not unstable but there are transition going on (the one by gnome network admin was ufortunate and I bet not advertised by the maintenair before it propagated to testing :( I bet it has to do that he was not in an open mood regarding the bug repoert backlog of the bug against it regarding it not playing well with NM
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17:21<prahal>reno31, you install grub on the MBR of sdb ? not the one of sda
17:21<stuckey>stroyan: says lenny, lenny32
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17:21<prahal>that s not very good . If you want to keep the one on sda at least chainload via grub from sda to the one on sdb
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17:21<reno31>yes in the MBR of sdb
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17:22<reno31>but the bios search on sdb first no ?
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17:23<prahal>sure and it seems it tells sbd it is sda (remind that linux is not yet loaded so the mapping comes from the bios
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17:23<Zviper>there's a spammer in the channel who sends you a link to go to everytime you join
17:24<adb>who ?
17:24<Zviper>do /hop
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17:24<stroyan>stuckey: "schroot -c lenny" or "schroot -c lenny32" should start a shell in a schroot. The "Location" lines from "schroot -i" will tell you where they want an schroot directory.
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17:24<reno31>so it's normal to set hd0,0 on grub
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17:24<stuckey>stroyan: does this mean I have two chroots?
17:25<stroyan>stuckey: One may be an alias for the other one.
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17:25<reno31>for loading the /boot file
17:25<stuckey>stroyan: okay cool, so it just gives me a prompt that looks like a regular prompt... but I'm in the chroot?
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17:26<reno31>stuckey: ls and see
17:26<hyperactivething>prahal: well look at that, there's a bug report :D (#532477)
17:26<prahal>well I never made such a weird setup :) cannot tell if it is normal ... only that it seems to me that if one use the bios to trick grub , grub has to be told about it
17:27<stuckey>stroyan: how do I run things as root?
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17:28<stroyan>stuckey: echo $debian_chroot will tell you. The default /etc/bash.bashrc actually sets PS1 to tell you about a chroot.
17:28<reno31>ok i will fix this, with the grub cd, but that dont tell me why i have no Xserver
17:28<stroyan>stuckey: You run things as root using su or sudo inside the schroot, or schroot as root.
17:29<stuckey>says su: must be run from a terminal
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17:30<stuckey>I just figured out I need to use etch... damn, have to reconfigure.
17:30<prahal>hyperactivething, I thought you would have checked gnome-network-admin in aptitude . It has a new conflict since #460691 got resolved a few days ago . This new conflict with the old dependency from gnome metapackage to gnome-network-admin leads to the removal of network-manager
17:30<stuckey>how do I get the configure file back like it was when I installed it?
17:31<simNIX>hmm - jacksmith123 is sending me when I join room spam to go to website with pedo in the word ...
17:31<prahal>the bug report you send is from a user confused by the current situation . It does not provides any workaround or insights :-/
17:31<adb>!ops jacksmith123 spam
17:31<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: jacksmith123 spam
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17:31<hyperactivething>prahal: yeah I was reading up on that just now
17:31<ikkerus>hey guys...
17:31<diederik>reno31: it looks like the disk issue doesn't just give you no X, but no working system at all
17:31<ikkerus>good evening or so^^
17:32<hyperactivething>prahal: it also says that gnome is pretty much ready for testing
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17:32<hyperactivething>prahal: I think I'll just upgrade gnome to the version in unstable, see how that goes
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17:33<stroyan>stuckey: You can just change the lenny parts to etch parts and remove and recreate the debootstrap directory.
17:33<prahal>until the new gnome metapackage has transitionned to squeeze the only workaround is to remove the gnome metapackage . I think it was bad from gnome-network-admin maintainer to have send his new package to squeeze breaking network-manger installs without telling anyone beforehand (the ftp master are good but still they cannot read minds
17:33<reno31>diederik: actually i cant ruu apt-get, wget, w3m, so it seem working
17:33<stuckey>stroyan: already deleted the config file
17:33<prahal>hyperactivething, you ll need also the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage
17:34<stuckey>Anyone know how I can reconfigure a package to its default state?
17:34<hyperactivething>prahal: yes, I just did (using apt-get)
17:34<prahal>stuckey, local config in the home directory are up to the user
17:34<prahal>reno31, so this left the X problem
17:34<hyperactivething>prahal: yeah, the network-manager thing was pretty disappointing
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17:35<stroyan>stuckey: You can apt-get --reinstall install schroot
17:35<hyperactivething>prahal: but I hope gnome-netowrk-admin will be a better option, I was never much of a network-manager fan
17:35<reno31>i put grub in sda and come back
17:35<stuckey>stroyan: how do I do that with aptitude?
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17:36<stroyan>Why would you do that with aptitude? ;-)
17:36<stuckey>stroyan: that's what Im learning how to use now... (It's done with L)
17:36<stroyan>stuckey: sudo aptitude reinstall schroot
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17:37<stuckey>stroyan: I still don't have a schroot.conf file
17:37<stuckey>Ahh, this is easy I know someone has to know how to do this.
17:38<diederik>reno31: what does "aptitude search ~b" return?
17:38<hyperactivething>prahal: well thanks, I'll see how it goes with the unstable version
17:38<prahal>hyperactivething, I have high hopes for NM . If only it got splitted in more pieces (ModemManager is a good start though I would love the network status code to be move out and shared between other projects - why not even ifupdown interfacing with this part
17:39<stroyan>stuckey: How about sudo dpkg-reconfigure schroot
17:39<prahal>bah this is a metapackage . If it did not asked you to install a lot of real packages from unstable this is a return to the old state before the breakage
17:39<stuckey>stroyan: already tried that
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17:40<reno31>diederik: nothing
17:40<diederik>ok, so no broken packages
17:40<craigevil>doh :)
17:40<prahal>does someone knows if "type 1" missing error is critical to Xorg , reno31 seems to only have this in his backlog
17:40<diederik>nope, afaik it's a common harmless error
17:41<simNIX>I now have a 15Gb usb stick I boot at random peploe pc's to have my full Debian desktop - I now would like to get ip settings on every place from dhcp - still no prob, except I wonder how to keep dns settings static?
17:41<prahal>ok I ll ask him to double check there is nothing more in Xorg log
17:42<prahal>simNIX, usually this is done on the dhcp server side
17:42<simNIX>I understand
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17:42<simNIX>but travelig I dont control that
17:42<prahal>otherwise just switch from dhcp to static ip setting
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17:43<simNIX>and with my own dns I have personal adresses working ..
17:43<prahal>but you could get in conflict with an already defined ip
17:43<diederik>I doubt the error is there, since Ctl+Alt+F1 isn't working either (which isn't controlled by X, right?)
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17:43<simNIX>the dns I use is on The Internet
17:43<simNIX>so no local conflics
17:44<prahal>simNIX, you may have more success telling why you want a static ip with dhcp than trying to find out how to achieve that . There may well be answer to your real world problem though I believe there are no way to do that the way you try to
17:44<simNIX>if I switch to static I have t osetup at every place ..
17:44<prahal>simNIX, dns has nothing to do with defining ip
17:44<simNIX>I dont want a static ip
17:45<simNIX>I want a dhcp given ip (per location but a fixed dns)
17:45<loudergood>I think he's trying to get static dns
17:45<prahal>ah ok
17:45<simNIX>sorry if I wasnt clear enouf in that
17:45<patrikf>simNIX: personal IP addresses?
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17:46<patrikf>simNIX: so you're using your own DNS server, I assume?
17:46<simNIX>private you meen - no - the dns I want to set fixed = Inet ip
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17:46<prahal>simNIX, dynamix dns with a local client will do . Though it will take at least 5 min to propagate to the world at each change
17:46<simNIX>not on the same box
17:46<simNIX>over openvpn I wil use my own
17:46<stuckey>anyone know how I can reconfigure a package so that the configuration files will be the same as they were when the package was first installed?
17:46<patrikf>simNIX: you can't have the same IP address from multiple internet connections, possibly from different providers.
17:46<simNIX>I know
17:47<simNIX>I dont want the same ip for nic
17:47<patrikf>oh, so you want
17:47<simNIX>but for dns
17:47<simNIX>if set to dhcp
17:47<simNIX>then at every lease /etc/resolv.conf is updated
17:47<simNIX>I want to stop that
17:48<simNIX>patrikf, for explanation clearaty lets asume I want to always use opendns ...
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17:48<prahal>simNIX, does that . You only need to install the client on your box . And to have it called at each interface up .. which may be not yet available for network-manager . But ifupdown is supported
17:48<simNIX>... then at every place if used dhcp no need to set nics ip settings
17:48<patrikf>simNIX: why didn't you say that you were using opendns before?
17:48<craigevil>set the dhcpclient conf so resolv.conf doesnt change
17:48<simNIX>but opendns get overwritten
17:48<simNIX>I want to stop that behaviour
17:48<simNIX>I dont use it
17:49<simNIX>but if anyone knows howe to set fixed opendns
17:49<simNIX>then I can fikll in my ip
17:49<reno31>good news, i've set grub in sda (and put im first in BIOS), it load correctly
17:49<reno31>and grep EE gives me now failed to load "nvidia" and no drivers avaible
17:49<diederik>reno31: so you now have a working (gnome) system?
17:49<simNIX>lets refrase; how to stop /etc/resolv.conf from being updated when getting ip settings from dhcp
17:49<craigevil>simNIX: read the instructions at the bottom
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17:50<reno31>not gnome but i can boot easely now ;)
17:50<simNIX>ok - dhcpclent does that
17:50<prahal>if someone could tell dpkgg to tell reno31 how to install nvidia driver that would be cool
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17:50<diederik>does Ctl+Alt+F1 work now?
17:51<reno31>yes i'm now logg in tt1
17:51<simNIX>tnx all for patience whilst I strugled to get across my quest
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17:51<prahal>I bet X cannot start if nvidia driver is missing
17:51<reno31>it look like
17:51<simNIX>wasnt aware dhcpclient did - eventhough knowing it now it nmakes sense
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17:51<craigevil>!tell reno31 about Nvidia
17:51<diederik>reno31: what does "uname -r" say?
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17:52<diederik>aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686 nvidia-glx
17:53<prquer>alguien de España ?
17:53<phracked>hmm can anyone help me get my optical sound drivers working
17:53<phracked>nvidia chipset xfx mobo
17:53<adb>prquer: stop it
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17:54<diederik>reno31: what's your card's model?
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17:54<reno31>diederik: nothing found ; 9600gt
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17:54<reno31>did i have the repository ?
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17:55<prahal>reno31, non-free is it
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17:56<prahal>phracked, what s wrong with the default setup ? no sound , no device found or no driver ?
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17:58<phracked>well i can use analog
17:58<phracked>but no optical it doesn't see it
17:58<reno31>nothing found with nvidia-kernel-common
17:58<c36pop>hi could anybody that did not touch to hal config and does not have gparted installed pastebin me his /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi config file please
17:58<stuckey>So, I'm trying to install a .deb. Dpkg doesn't install it since it has dependencies which aren't being met. When I try to install a dependency, it won't install, since it has dependencies which aren't installed.
17:59<stuckey>A catch-22... how do I get out of this?
18:00<diederik>reno31: if you have a stock debian kernel, you can install the binary nvidia packages, so then you won't need nvidia-kernel-source
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18:00<diederik>(or -common)
18:00<prahal>stuckey, try to use dpkg directly , dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/...
18:01<stuckey>prahal: should mention I'm doing this in a chroot
18:01<reno31>(a stock ? sorry my english isn(t good) you say "normal"
18:01<reno31>not compile
18:01<phracked>ah im also havin a problem with my 9800GT drivers it says operative system not compatible
18:01<phracked>something like that
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18:01<diederik>I meant just installed it from the repos, indeed no custom compiled kernel
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18:02<prahal>phracked, you are installing from upstream binary packages ?
18:02<phracked>ya i downloaded it from nvida
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18:02<prahal>ouch , the package from debian are modified to better install
18:03<reno31>prahal: where i can found those one
18:03<phracked>what package should i get?
18:03<stuckey> libqt4-core: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
18:03<stuckey> Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0) but it is not going to be installed
18:03<stuckey>I'm getting this shit
18:03<prahal>reno31, do you have contrib and non-free at the end of the deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
18:04<ml|>dpkg: tell phracked about nvidia
18:04<diederik>reno31: are you running lenny, squeeze or sid?
18:05<reno31>and no only lenny main and lenny update
18:05<stuckey>I'm trying to install a .deb in a chroot in Lenny (etch chroot) but I just keep getting dependency errors
18:05<stuckey>how do I fix this?
18:05<prahal>stuckey, usually this means that those dependencies have packages that conflicts against them or that any of their own dependencies are not available yet in the repo you try to install them from
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18:05<stuckey>prahal: it's etch...
18:05<diederik>reno31: looks like you won't be able to install an appropriate package
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18:06<reno31>stuckey: apt-get build-dep "package"
18:06<cagnuluni>salve a tutti
18:06<stuckey>reno31: not in the repo
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18:06<reno31>so i need to had the contrib and non free
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18:06<diederik> doesn't list your card, you need newer drivers for that (from testing or sid)
18:06<prahal>!tell prahal about Nvidia
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18:06<diederik>in order to install the nvidia proprietary drivers, you need non-free
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18:07<prahal>!tell phracked about Nvidia
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18:07<adb>!tell prahal about selftell
18:08<stuckey>So i just installed skype in a chroot (etch)
18:08<prahal>thanks adb .
18:09<stuckey>Anyone know how I can launch it now?
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18:10<snogglethorpe>stuckey: note that the skype static version works without a chroot
18:10<prahal>stuckey, aptitude update ? Do you have the repo in sources.list too ? other than that I don't see anything yet
18:10<snogglethorpe>(even on amd64)
18:10<stuckey>snogglethorpe: I don't want it contaminating my system.
18:11<snogglethorpe>hmm, ok (skype?)
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18:12<stuckey>I just have to figure out how to actually launch the program now...
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18:13<craigevil>why not just install it normally? its no worse than adobe flash , java or using nvidia/ati drivers
18:13<stuckey>Anyone know how I can launch a program I isntalled in a chroot with dpkg?
18:13<prahal>craigevil, who told he had any of those
18:14<craigevil>try locate skype
18:14<prahal>I disagree with including java in the list
18:14<wmt>java blows chunks
18:14<stuckey>craigevil: locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory
18:14<prahal>locate for a chroot
18:14<reno31>did some now where i can find gpg key of repository
18:14<ml|>craigevil: stuckey is funny that way ;)
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18:15<stuckey>ml|: huh?
18:15<prahal>reno31, debian-maintenairs package . Should be already there and up to date
18:15<reno31>*someone know
18:15<adb>!tell reno31 about key
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18:16<prahal>vala rules !
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18:16<ml|>stuckey: since you don't like to use proprietary stuff, but it's cool :) was joking ;P
18:16<stuckey>I avoid it
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18:16<ml|>i know
18:16<stuckey>I just want a little skype in a chroot...
18:16<stuckey>But I can't figure out how to do it.
18:16<stuckey>chroot works fine, dpkg installed skype, but now I don't know what to do.
18:17<ml|>skype doesn't work
18:17<stuckey>in a chroot?
18:17<stuckey>why not
18:17<diederik>reno31: seems like the 185.x serie drivers from sid are what you need
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18:17<ml|>< stuckey> Anyone know how I can launch a program I isntalled in a chroot with dpkg? <--- ?
18:18<stuckey>ml|: Yes?
18:18<reno31>so i need to add sid repository ?
18:18<ml|>skype doesn't work
18:18<stuckey>ml|: Are you sure?
18:18<ml|>no i'm asking
18:18<diederik>it's ill advised to mix stable with anything else afaik
18:18<ml|>in terminal skype to launch skype
18:19<stuckey>ml|: Well I don't know how to launch the program to see or not
18:19<stuckey>ml|: good idea... well nothing comes up
18:19<ml|>stuckey: isn't skype an X app?
18:19<stuckey>ml|: yes
18:19<ml|>do you have working X
18:19<stuckey>ml|: in the chroot?
18:20<stuckey>ml|: didn't know this needed to be done
18:20<stuckey>ml|: so I just configure it like I would any other x?
18:20<ml|>stuckey: i don't much about chroot but it is an X app so it should need X
18:20<diederik>reno31: I don't know how to get the nvidia drivers for your 9600 GT card working on stable/lenny
18:21<diederik>(it doesn't seem available at
18:21<adb>!tell reno31 about simple sid backport
18:21<prahal>stuckey, dchroot ?
18:21<ml|>that card is not listed in debian wiki?
18:21<prahal>xlibs not X
18:22<prahal>you can run an X program via ssh -X for example from a server not having X but xlibs only
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18:23<ml|>hmmm i see 9600 GT listed ...
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18:23<ml|>no need for sid bpo
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18:23<stuckey>I'll play with this tomorrow
18:24<ml|>dpkg: tell reno31 about nvidia
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18:29<diederik>!tell diederik about nvidia
18:30<adb>!tell diederik about selftell
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18:47<lbt>hi. When I use debian/rules what's the best way to pass the app version into the app (for an "about" string)
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18:48<dondelelcaro>lbt: depends on the code, but generally the code should already know what version it is
18:49<lbt>I'm my own upstream :)
18:49<lbt>so using the debian/changelog version would be best for me
18:49<dondelelcaro>lbt: then you should generally be setting the upstream version somewhere in the codebase; the Debian package nomally wouldn't change it
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18:51<dondelelcaro>(that said, if there's an extra version field, setting it by parsing debian/changelog may be valid)
18:51<lbt>I guess my normal process involves incrementing the changelog and building
18:51<lbt>ideally passing a #define in via ./configure would work best
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18:58<bremner>lbt: probably you should use a separate changelog for upstream changes
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18:59<lbt>so have a Changelog aswell as debian/changelog ?
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18:59<phracked>just making gnome bend over
19:00<phracked>raped in the ass
19:00<bremner>lbt: the concensus among debian packagers is to keep the debian packaging separate, yeah
19:00<phracked>lol my bad i was pming someone didnt meant to type that in chat
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19:00<phracked>pretty baked
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19:00<lbt>OK bremner, I should do that really
19:03<phracked>hey can someone look at my nvidia log file and tell me whats wrong i install gcc 4.1 :S
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19:04<diederik>phracked: installing is not enough, you also need to tell it to use it ...
19:04<diederik>export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1
19:04<phracked>ok thanks man
19:05<phracked>ill try that rite now and get back to you
19:05<chealer>!tell phracked about about nvidia-installer
19:05<chealer>!tell phracked about nvidia-installer
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19:07<diederik>tell the-whole-world about the debian way:
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19:08<tecpatl>hi again
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---Logopened Sat Jun 20 19:15:04 2009
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19:15<tecpatl>get mounted auto.
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19:15<sundelor>did you make dir, where you wath to mount it?
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19:15<ml|>tecpatl: use a de?
19:16<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
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19:16<bremner>halevt seems obsolete ivman
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19:16<bremner>halevt seems _to_ obsolete ivman
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19:16<ml|>yes think so
19:17<sundelor>udev looks good to (for term automount) :)
19:17<ml|>i find usbmount does a good job at this, if using just a wm
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19:19<bremner>ml|: it seems hal is the future anyway...
19:19-!-Asparagus [] has joined #debian
19:19<ml|>no hal here :)
19:19-!-Asparagus [] has left #debian [Danke und bis bald... :-)]
19:20<Lethalman>bremner: ehm, hal is going to be deprecated in gnome 3 :)
19:20<bremner>gnome is already deprecated on my machines :)
19:21<ml|>a long ways off huh?
19:21<ml|>mine too heh
19:21<sundelor>easyer to add new rule to udev... or i'm wrong?
19:21<bremner>but the new seems to lean towards hal iirc
19:21<ml|>bremner: yes ;(
19:22<bremner>sundelor: easier than installing halevt? I don't think so. Lighter weight than running hal, for sure.
19:22<sundelor>ok :)
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19:33<ert34>unrar doesn't works...
19:34<bremner>!tell ert34 about doesn't work
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19:35<ert34>I had installed unrar-free through the debian repositories
19:35<ert34>I tried unrar x namefile.rar
19:36<ert34>At end it tells me "34 failed"
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19:36<ml|>ert34: unrar e *.rar
19:36<ml|>man unrar
19:37<ndy40>have never used debian OS but i have used ubuntu
19:37<ert34>ml|, doesn't works
19:37<ert34>unrar e
19:37<ndy40>any deiff in experience
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19:38<ert34>I read that it can be due to incompatibalities of differents repositories
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19:39<ml|>ert34: try again plz
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19:40<ert34>ml|, I tried more two times
19:40<ert34>still the same
19:40<sundelor>mb broken rar?
19:40<ml|>ert34: ok, works here just fine, so dunno
19:41<ert34>can someone upload me a valid rar?
19:41<ert34>through irc?
19:41<ml|>visit pb plenty there
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19:45<ert34>I tried more files
19:45<adb>ert34: reinstall it
19:45<ert34>doesn't works
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19:46<ml|>or install unrar-nonfree
19:46<ml|>or both :)
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19:47<diederik>note: on sid it's basically the reverse: unrar and unrar-free
19:47<ert34>I reinstalled unra-nonfree and still doesn't working
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19:47<diederik>error msgs??
19:48<ml|>diederik: in squeeze too
19:48<ert34>There is a lot of files listed with "Failed" s at right
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19:48<diederik>try to test the archive
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19:49<diederik>ml|: thanks
19:49<ml|>ert34: what exactly are you typing?
19:49<ert34>unrar e xdasdasdas.rar
19:49<ml|>diederik: np but for what?
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19:50<diederik>notifying it's in squeeze too
19:50<ml|>ah :)
19:50<sundelor_>is it normal to use only wm without de? :)
19:50<ert34>diederik, doesn't works for you too?
19:50<ml|>sundelor_: yes
19:50<ert34>unrar-free has the same effect
19:50<ert34>unrar-free e aweaew.rar
19:51<sundelor_>ml|, thx.
19:51<diederik>how about unrar <rar-archive> ?
19:51<ml|>ert34: try purging them both the install unrar
19:51<diederik>ert34: don't have (issues with) rar files
19:51<ert34>let me try the purge way
19:51<ml|>sundelor_: np xmonad is a great wm
19:51<diederik>ert34: to find out how to test an archive do the standard thing: man unrar
19:52<ml|>ert34: install only one this time
19:52<sundelor_>ml|, oh, I just begin's to learn openbox ^_^
19:53<ert34>only one what?
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19:53<ml|>sundelor_: openbos is nice too :)
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19:53<ml|>ert34: unrar app
19:53<ert34>purged and installed and still doesn't working
19:53<adb>ert34: paste your aweaew.rar ...
19:54<adb>and your errors
19:54<ml|>dpkg: tell sundelor_ about xmonad
19:54<ert34>send me a valid file
19:54<adb>no you send us your file
19:54<diederik>ert34: what did the test of the rar file tell you?
19:55<ert34>well, it's that I have some subtitles in my language
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19:55<ert34>and for anonymity issues and risks I can't
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19:56<sundelor_>ml|, one more: openbox + pypanel(fbpanel) & without any fileman (such as thunar\nautilus\etc.) norm?
19:56<ert34>diederik, test? when I try to extract it just fails
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19:56<diederik>who needs subtitles with pr0n?
19:56<ml|>sundelor_: yes
19:56<diederik>ert34: did you read the man page?
19:56<sundelor_>ml|, I'm happy) thx
19:56<diederik>I wasn't talking about extracting, but about testing
19:57<ml|>sundelor_: it's all about choice use what you like :) np
19:57<ml|>sundelor_: i use cli as file manager, you can try mc
19:58<sundelor_>ml|, aboun xmond, it's too soon for me ;)
19:58<ml|>dpkg: tell sundelor_ about mc
19:58<ert34>diederik, well, i don't found any test options on theman page
19:58<sundelor_>ml|, already use it)
19:58<ml|>sundelor_: when ya ready try it
19:58<ml|>ok :)
19:59<diederik>ert34: look here: and search for the word test :-P
19:59<ml|>ert34: t = test
20:00<ml|>so unrar t *.rar
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20:01<ert34>I really don't have test option in the man archive that comes with unrar-free\
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20:01<ert34>but i see noe
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20:02<ert34>but i don't have
20:02<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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20:02<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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20:03<ert34>What I need to see in the test?
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20:04<diederik>if there are errors in the archive, it should tell you so
20:04<ert34>I don't see any errors messages
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20:07<ert34>I need these subs
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20:09<ert34>No clue?
20:09<ert34>diederik, can you send me a valid file
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20:16<diederik>ert34: why don't you download the file from here (found with google):
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20:21<ert34>wow the download doesn't starts xD
20:22<wooj>Can anyone help me figure out why my new debian install won't autocomplete apt-get lines? (ex. sudo apt-get install em<tab> doesnt give a list of options.
20:22<wooj>meanwhile, I enabled completion in /etc/bash.bashrc
20:23<wooj>so I'm at a loss :S
20:23<ert34>wooj, sudo works for your normal user?
20:23<ert34>sudo apt-get update works?
20:23<wooj>ert34, yes
20:23<wooj>I can sudo as normal
20:24<adb>wooj: source /etc/bash.bashrc
20:24<wooj>though it does occur to me I may have added myself wrongly to /etc/sudoers
20:24<wooj>adb, I've done that, and rebooted twice
20:24<wooj>I put wooj ALL=(ALL) ALL
20:24<wooj> in with visudo to let me sudo
20:24<adb>do it in .bashrc
20:24<wooj>is that incorrect?
20:24<diederik>geesh man, you could do that yourself :sigh:
20:25<adb>in your home
20:25<wooj>adb, ok I'll try it
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20:25<adb>and than , source .bashrc
20:26<wooj>adb, tried it, doesnt work
20:26<adb>here yes
20:26<ert34>I could try unrar-non-free
20:26<wooj>adb, no, I mean, I just tried it. It didnt work
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20:28<ert34>diederik, it's not the wise way download a file that you don't know if it is valid when you are findeing it
20:28<ert34>otherwise people can send me one through iorc
20:28<diederik>ert34: but if I send you some random file, it is secure?
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20:29<ert34>why shouldn't?
20:29<ert34>just a .rar file
20:30<adb>ert34: wget
20:30<adb>it work here
20:30<diederik>how long do we know each other? How much do you know about me? Right, absolutely nothing.
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20:30<ert34>But why a .rar file could be dangerous for people?
20:31<dpkg>Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come.
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20:33<ert34>OMG when the counting is over I click in download free and another one starts
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20:34<ert34>download started
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20:35<ml|>adb: what is that file?
20:35<ert34>1 min
20:35<adb>ml|: nm , i delete him
20:36<diederik>ml|: It was a random rar file I found searching with google, I have no idea (nor do I care) what in it
20:36<ml|>ah ok
20:36<ml|>ert34: gl
20:37<ert34>$ md5sum 1861348096.RAR
20:37<ert34>5a8baa281188c0a58c379f7ee06a1a18 1861348096.RAR
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20:38<ml|>hmm md5
20:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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20:39<ml|>dpkg: tell ert34 about selftell
20:40<ert34>adb, diederik
20:40<ert34>see the paste
20:40<ml|>ert34: visit tpb and download rar file man
20:41<diederik>why? I don't care for it
20:41<diederik>now you have a different rar file, so you can see whether that one does extract correctly
20:41<ml|>it doesn't
20:41<ert34>ml|, I download this one
20:42<ert34>diederik, it doesn't works
20:42<ert34>see the paste
20:42<adb>ert34: uname -a
20:42<ml|>ert34: try another
20:43<ert34>Linux user 2.6.29-backports.2-686-bigmem
20:43<ert34>kernel backport
20:43<ml|>ert34: lsb_release -a
20:44<ert34>look the comment
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20:45<ert34>take a look***\
20:46<ml|>ert34: i did why i said download a file from tpb and try again
20:46<ert34>but I will waste my time if I don't guarantee that the file is corrupted
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20:47<ml|>there are no guarantee's in life so ...
20:47<ert34>I tried the file that works for adb and diederik
20:47<ert34>and doesn't works for me
20:48<diederik>ert34: you need the nonfree version, the free version doesn't work
20:48<diederik>*of unrar
20:48<ml|>well them there is somthing wrong with your system
20:48<ert34>how do I add the respectives repos?
20:48<diederik>I got the same error as you did with the free version, while the non-free version extracted/tested correctly
20:49<ert34>I installed this kernel balckport to have the free wifi dirvers
20:49<ert34>instead madwifi ones
20:49<ert34>how do I add the repos contaning the unrar-non-free?
20:49<diederik>aptitude install unrar
20:49<ml|>dpkg: tell ert34 about non-free sources
20:50<ml|>dpkg: tell ert34 about sources.list
20:50<diederik>the nonfree version is now called (also on lenny) unrar, while the free version is called unrar-free
20:51<dpkg>somebody said unrar was a <non-free> package and utility to extract <RAR> 3.0 archives. For earlier archive versions, ask me about <unrar-free>.
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20:52<diederik>the md5sum of 1861348096.RAR is the same as with me, so the archive is valid
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20:53<ert34>That is, works!
20:53<ert34>thx ppl
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20:57<adb>ert34: [Jun 21 01:42:47] <ml|> or install unrar-nonfree
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20:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:58<Webosky>very bad debian-es
20:58<ml|>!congratulate ert34
20:58<dpkg>Huzzah ert34, you did it!
20:59<Hydroxide>Webosky: you can also use (email)
20:59<ert34>but using non-free stuff doesn't makes me too much happy
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20:59<Hydroxide>Webosky: we can't provide help in spanish here.
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20:59<ml|>ert34: plz just use it
20:59<Webosky>ok thanks
21:00<ert34>ml|, you are 1 person?
21:00<ml|>no i'm 10 people, really a bot :)
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21:01<ml|>ask adb
21:01<adb>ml|: say hi
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21:01<ml|>hi adb
21:01<diederik>but only 1 person when he has taken his medicine :-P
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21:01<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
21:02<ert34>because you stay here all the time
21:02<ert34>maybe a nick used for a lot of people?
21:02<ml|>haha, i live here :)
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21:02<ml|>ert34: why do you ask?
21:03<ml|>dpkg: rocks
21:03<dpkg>Yer damned right...
21:03<ert34>ml|, because you stay here 24/7
21:03<adb>ml|: move to #xmonad ;)
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21:04<ml|>ert34: let me tell you a secret just because i'm in channel doesn't mean i'm really here
21:05<ml|>adb: hehe, you not there any more :(
21:05<adb>not really ;(
21:06<ml|>may i ask
21:06<ert34>good morning ppl, I am going, thx for assiste
21:06<adb>no enouf* capacity
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21:07<ml|>adb: there's always room for you ;)
21:08<adb>oh, thx
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21:13<fulham>I deleted the entry "root: [myname]" in /etc/aliases, and now every time I try to send mail to root, it gets redirected to the user "mail". Anyone know what's going on?
21:14*enouf is a bot :-p
21:16<locklace>fulham: are you using exim?
21:17<ml|>enouf: apperantly so i'm i ;)
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21:17<fulham>yes. exim
21:18<adb>enouf: ml| repet after me : I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse)
21:19<ml|>!beer adb
21:19*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Dogfishhead 90min IPA for adb
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21:19<locklace>fulham: check out the exim specification and the configuration line "never_users = root". basically it's a security measure since delivering local mail to root would require the process to setuid to root
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21:20<locklace>fulham: so it's better to redirect root's mail somewhere else with an alias
21:22<ml|>but why not receice mail from root, could be helpful
21:22<locklace>this isn't about receiving from root, it's about local delivery to root
21:22<fulham>many thanks, locklace
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21:23<ml|>locklace: ah may bad misunderstood
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21:41<octoserver>what is akonadi ?
21:44<chealer>octoserver: did you ask Wikipedia?
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21:55<edbian>I am trying spead up my boot process. (Take a look at my thread: I am confused about something though. Is someone here willing to help me with this??
21:55<edbian>I am trying to speed up*
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22:18<enouf>edbian, suspend/resume
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22:19<enouf>lou: er .. you didn't ask anything?
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22:23<Karrde>Hello. I track Squeeze on my laptop. Today, I got an update for gnome-network-admin that removed network-manager-gnome and thus nm-applet is now missing. How, now, do I get a GUI where I can pick and connect to wireless networks? I am using XFCE as my DE and had previously happily been using nm-applet.
22:23<craigevil>Karrde: try using wicd or wifi-radar
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22:28<chealer>how can I free a busy device? I'm getting "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy"
22:29<bzed>kill the programm which is accessing it
22:29<bzed>or better: use alsa instead of /dev/dsp
22:30<chealer>Karrde: you could use network-manager-gnome
22:30<bzed>or use good hardware with a hardware mixer...
22:30<chealer>bzed: which program is accessing it?
22:30<bzed>lsof will probably tell you
22:30<bzed>or fuser
22:31<Karrde>chealer: network-admin-gnome Conflicts: network-manager-gnome, and if I try to remove network-admin-gnome, it wants to remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment as well.
22:32<Karrde>craigevil: thank you, I've successfully connected to wireless with wicd. I wonder why gnome would break things like that and not provide a replacement though?
22:32<chealer>Karrde: so what? note "gnome" is just the gnome metapackage
22:32<Karrde>chealer: and g-d-e?
22:32<chealer>Karrde: g-d-e is also just a metapackage
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22:32<Karrde>hm I didn't know that
22:32<chealer>bzed: neither lsof nor fuser do
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22:42<chealer>how can I free a busy device? I'm getting "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" when trying, for example "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp". neither lsof nor fuser list any process as using /dev/dsp.
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22:44<blarson>chealer: reboot :-(
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22:46<chealer>blarson: yeah...although I'm quite sure that would work, I'm trying to find a way to avoid that, since my virtual classroom application uses /dev/dsp.
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22:47<enouf>chealer: likely firefox-bin or flash?
22:47<chealer>enouf: ah, why did I forget that. thank you
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22:50<chealer>is it normal that lsof and fuser don't report iceweasel (for example) as using /dev/dsp, if it indeed uses /dev/dsp?
22:51<enouf>chealer: lsof | egrep 'firefox|flash' as root?
22:52<enouf>pstree/ps etc will show firefox-bin - iceweasel IINM, is just the Debian pkg name .. er /msg dpkg iceweasel
22:55<chealer>enouf: that lists a large number of files, includes some in /dev/snd/, but I don't see /dev/dsp
22:55<enouf>fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp ?
22:57<gsimmons>enouf: ITYM "list alsa users".
22:57<enouf>ahh - thanks gsimmons
22:58<enouf>chealer: /msg dpkg list alsa users
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23:01<chealer>enouf: that lists firefox-bin, but still nothing about /dev/dsp ( )
23:03<chealer>enouf: the factoid is helpful, but I'd still like to know if what was happening is normal or a known issue.
23:04<enouf>chealer: i'm not sure what to tell you - but the "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" message might not mean what you think it means :-P I think some few others in here, and perhaps on freenode might have more enlightened info - check also the BTS ?
23:05<enouf>chealer: maybe you want to add/remove alsa-oss support? Can you pastebin output of dpkg -l alsa* | grep ^.i and lsmod | egrep 'snd_mixer|snd_pcm' ?
23:06<chealer>enouf: I installed alsa-oss after the problem started, and reproduced it after
23:06<enouf>chealer: oh, and lshal | grep device_file
23:07<enouf>do you use alsamixer? how's everything look when you hit '/' after opening alsamixer?
23:08<chealer>enouf: no. should I install it?
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23:08<enouf>chealer: i'm using sid mostly, and alsaconf has gone away in even squeeze (new autodetection, like what happened with xorg.conf) and my alsamixer doesn't work correctly, IOW the Master Volume and many others do nothing
23:08<enouf>chealer: it was/is in the alsa-utils pkg?
23:08<kingking190>i'm having a problem with my computer
23:09<kingking190>i have Debian installed
23:09<kingking190>on my laptop
23:09<chealer>enouf: oh, sorry. then I don't use it. should I try what you wrote?
23:09<kingking190>and i can't use my internet
23:09<enouf>chealer: it's just a nice way to see some file's contents in /proc and /dev you can just cat anyway
23:09<kingking190>on it can someone help me ?
23:10<enouf>chealer: depends - want an ncurses mixer? :-)
23:10<enouf>judd: versions alsa-utils
23:10<judd>enouf: alsa-utils -- etch: 1.0.13-2 lenny: 1.0.16-2 sid: 1.0.20-1 squeeze: 1.0.20-1
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23:10<chealer>enouf: no. I use kmix
23:11<kingking190>can someone help me ?
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23:12<enouf>chealer: kde3 or kde4? i know nothing about 4, but have you poked about in K control center | Sound and all those settings?
23:12<enouf>in 3, that is
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23:12<enouf>chealer: when i had 3.x here, i disabled the entire Sound Server .. and/or always killed artsd stuff
23:13<kingking190>can someone help me ?
23:13<chealer>enouf: KDE 3. I haven't, but arts is suspended. did you know about artsshell suspend?
23:13<enouf>lsof | egrep 'arts|esd|flash|firefox' used to be what i told everyone - nowadays you should also add ...jack|pulse'
23:14<enouf>no i don't chealer
23:15<chealer>enouf: is suspends arts, which was very handy when it grabbed the sound for a minute (before dmix)
23:16<enouf>chealer: i recall a setting within where i mentioned in control center, that allowed one to set the time of when to make arts suspend or something
23:17<chealer>enouf: I didn't find abug bug report on fuser and lsof. I don't know what else I should look at.
23:17<enouf>kingking190: what's the issue? no net?
23:17<enouf>chealer: dev/dsp ?
23:17<enouf>flash? locking things?
23:18<chealer>enouf: what do you mean by "dev/dsp ?"
23:18<enouf>maybe even alsa chealer or arts?
23:18<kingking190>i cna't install the driver
23:18<kingking190>it gives me a long list of errors
23:18<enouf>chealer: well, let me ask - were you able to eventually find what was hogging your dev/dsp? if so, killing what did it?
23:19<enouf>kingking190: which driver? wifi?
23:19<enouf>lan doesn't have drivers :-P
23:19<dpkg>hmm... lan is (Local Area Network) A small isolated network at one office location. Most office computers are connected to a LAN, but may also be connected to the Internet, or a WAN.
23:20<kingking190>its bcm5705m
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23:20<enouf>!listvals bcm5xxx
23:20<chealer>enouf: yes, I did. iceweasel (and most certainly flash) did. closing it solved the problem, thanks. so I don't need poking in kcontrol, but I'd just like to know if my reasoning that a busy device should have a process using it is correct.
23:20<dpkg>Factoid search of 'bcm5xxx' by value returned no results.
23:20<enouf>!listvals bcm5705m
23:20<dpkg>Factoid search of 'bcm5705m' by value returned no results.
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23:21<kingking190>i downloed the driver
23:21<enouf>kingking190: look for info about that on
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23:21<kingking190>i also tryed to install RPM
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23:21<kingking190>but with no internet i can't use apt-get install
23:22<dpkg>bcm5906m is, like, the Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express network controller. It is not supported by the tg3 driver in Etch's 2.6.18 kernel. For support of this device during Debian installation, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <install lenny>.
23:22<enouf>hrm ..
23:22<stroyan>kingking190: has some comments on BCM5705M and tg3 driver
23:23<chealer>enouf: there is indeed such a setting, but I don't change it as about nothing still uses arts
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23:25<enouf>chealer: in that area of Sound is Advanced Linux Sound Arch... chosen from the dropdown?
23:25<kingking190>well i'm haveing problems installing things
23:26<enouf>chealer: see what dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base mentions about which is default, OSS or ALSA
23:26<chealer>kingking190: which Debian suite do you use?
23:26<chealer>enouf: no, automatic detection is chosen
23:26<enouf>chealer: all i just mentioned may not apply anymore .. up not up on current alsa/oss changes, and developements
23:27<chealer>enouf: ALSA is
23:27<enouf>chealer: try setting it to ALSA, then restart the DE session, see what happens, etc etc
23:27<enouf>where "automatic detection is chosen" in the dropdown
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23:28<kingking190>i really useing backtrack 4
23:28<kingking190>but its the same base as debian
23:28<enouf>!based on debian
23:28<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
23:28<chealer>kingking190: only Debian is supported here. ask somewhere else
23:29<kingking190>ok thanks
23:29<enouf>kingking190: you could alsp
23:29<kingking190>alsp ?
23:29<enouf>kingking190: ask in ##linux on and elsewhere
23:29<kingking190>ok thanks
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23:32<vimpulse>hi all. I am running GNU Screen 4.0.3-13. /usr/bin/screen is owned by 0(root):43(utmp). But /var/run/screen is owned by 0(root):22(voice) -- why? (I never set it that way. And the discrepancy means that whenever I try to start Screen, I get the error message "Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777".)
23:33<chealer>enouf: I can still reproduce the problem with the sound system set to use ALSA
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23:35<vimpulse>Hmmm, I now see from continuing to read that I should check my logs to see which versions of Screen I ever had installed. I will do that now.
23:36<enouf>chealer: ok - hrm .,, i want to say reboot to eliminate any other possible er .. cobwebs ;-) but i won't ;-)
23:36<enouf>chealer: i have no more ideas :-(
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23:46<chealer>enouf: thank you
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