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00:09<Dborg89>hi all
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00:11<Dborg89>I'm looking at having debian's installer on a pendrive but I want multiple versions of the netinstall (etch - 386 and amd64 and lenny - 386 and amd64) is there a way I can have all four subfoldered on a pen drive and still be able to have the installer find the files?
00:11<Dborg89>at the moment it is complaining about mounting
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00:11<vimpulse>I have now noticed a possible fix for my GNU Screen problem, and have mentioned it to the maintainer through the BTS.
00:12<Dborg89>i have tried symbolically linking the USB-Mount/DEBverDIR/ -> /cdrom and it says it cant retrieve the files
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00:17<enouf>chealer: welcome
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01:27<vimpulse>Dborg89: dunno. If nobody answers you here, then try asking on the appropriate mailing list.
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02:35<hingwah>when try to load 32bit gtk application on 64bit debian, it failed to load theme engine since it try to load from /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/ instead of /usr/lib32/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines,is there any way to make it load the one in lib32?
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02:47<Jimmy89>what can I use to "remote desktop" into my debian box from a windows machine.
02:47<Jimmy89>*with the debian box not currently logged in.
02:48<Jimmy89>yeh but as in graphical login
02:49<Jimmy89>vnc will only let me connect once I have logged into the machine locally
02:49<Jimmy89>*vnc using gnome-rdp
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02:51<ml|>ok so ssh login them use vnc
02:53<Jimmy89>so that will work?
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02:54<ml|>man ssh sshd, you can also forward X on sshd_config but being since i've do it read the manpages and the above should work try it, no need to physically login to machine just use ssh
02:56<ml|>s/but being/but being a while since i've done it/
02:57<ml|>is that box in same room?
02:57<Jimmy89>currently yes
02:57<ml|>does it have amonitor?
02:57<Jimmy89>yes atm
02:57<ml|>are you worried someone might use it?
02:58<ml|>well why not just leave logged in
02:58<ml|>running 24/7?
02:58<Jimmy89>because it will be sitting in another room soon, without monitor etc
02:58<Jimmy89>just running as a fileserver
02:58<ml|>ah ok
02:59<ml|>those two options should work
03:00<ml|>also running a vnc server on that box and connecting with vnc client should work also without the need to use ssh first
03:01<ml|>apt-cache search vnc-server or vnc server <--- try that see what you get
03:01<jello>Jimmy89: set up either Xvnc or Xrdp
03:01<jello>if you need remote graphical login
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03:02<ml|>Jimmy89: but if it's a file server ssh should do no need for X
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03:03<ml|>generally X does not run in a server
03:03<ml|>for what you want
03:04<ml|>learn to use the terminal, ssh, etc..
03:05<Jimmy89>I know, but coming from a windows n00b it is nice to have a gui :p
03:05<ml|>Jimmy89: no worries, take the time an learn
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03:06<ml|>have you read the Debian reference?
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03:08<ml|>dpkg is not here or i would suggest some reading
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03:09<Jimmy89>no I don't really have time to do that atm, I am planning on learning some of this in more detail soon.
03:09<Jimmy89>Just I have exams this week
03:10<ml|>when you have time...
03:11<Jimmy89>yay I got the xvnc/xrdp to work :)
03:12<ml|>!congratulate Jimmy89
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03:29<zaltekk>what is mimic kynox?
03:29<zaltekk>a new wowbot?
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03:30<BabaBlackSheep>Is there package like gnome-full similar to kde-full?
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03:33<ml|>gnome - The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components <--- that should be full
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03:34<BabaBlackSheep>Thanks I noticed those packages, but it shows latest version is 2.24, where as the About Box for my installed Gnome shows 2.26, why?
03:35<ml|>judd versions gnome
03:35<judd>ml|: gnome -- etch: 1: lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 squeeze: 1:2.24.3~2 sid: 1:2.24.3~3
03:36<ml|>BabaBlackSheep: you are using debian?
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03:37<BabaBlackSheep>ml|, yes been using it for months, was using Etch but have been successfully using testing for last couple of months
03:38<BabaBlackSheep>ml|, reason I was asking I installed kde-full 4.2 yesterday to play around
03:40<ml|>hmm it seems the about box is 2.26 hah ...§ion=all
03:41<ml|>judd versions gnome-about
03:41<judd>ml|: gnome-about -- etch: 2.14.3-2 lenny: 2.22.3-2 sid: 2.22.3-2 experimental: 2.24.2-1 sid: 2.26.1-1 squeeze: 2.26.1-1
03:43<BabaBlackSheep>gnome-about installed 2.26, but gnome-core is 2.24
03:43<ml|>yeah wierd
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03:44<BabaBlackSheep>System - About Gnome shows Version: 2.26, Distributor: Debian
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03:46<ml|>seems the gnome-about passed sid and went to squeeze before gnome it self so maybe 2.26 might be in squeeze soon
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03:50<BabaBlackSheep>wonder why, the kde-full is not just called kde?
03:51<ml|>BabaBlackSheep: you might want to check to see if there is a bug about this ... if not you might want to file one
03:52<ml|>you can use reportbug
03:53<BabaBlackSheep>Also after installing KDE my Shutdown menus and Login Window Configure have disappeared from Gnome
03:53<ml|>try asking in #debian-kde
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04:05<c36pop>hi is there an option to download apt-get packages in size order
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04:10<francesco>hi . what is the difference from a vanilla kernel and a source from kernel rep ?
04:10<cahoot>with kernel rep you mean debian kernels src?
04:10<francesco>yes cahoot
04:10<francesco>i'm compiling kernel and using kernel provided by debian i have bad support to my ati
04:11<cahoot>read the changelog
04:11<francesco>what changelog
04:13<francesco>if i compile a vanilla 3d ati works ... with the debian source (sid) i have problem and also with the precompiled one
04:13<cahoot>francesco: like this one:
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04:14<francesco>ah ok thank u
04:15<francesco>can't find the change log for 2.6.30
04:17<francesco>i have a small question too ... how can i remove personal kernel name from aptitude list ?
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04:54<francesco>how can i remove personal kernel name from apt list ?
04:55<zobel>you mean how you can purge your self-build kernel from a machine?
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04:56<francesco>i mean : i remove a self-build kernel with aptitude remove linux-image-selfkernel...
04:57<francesco>but when i do : "aptitude install [tab] [tab]" i got also all my self-build kernel name
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04:58<zobel>did you remove those or purged them?
04:58<francesco>i remember there is a file with all paket for apt autocompletion
04:58<zobel>no idea then... funny tab completion you have....
04:59<francesco>but i don't remeber where
05:00<francesco>i think it is the standard one completion
05:00<cahoot>francesco: tried aptitude purge <linux-image-version>?
05:00<francesco>yes i did
05:00<cahoot>francesco: gets rid of it here
05:00<francesco>that is the second time i have this problem (now on debian before on ubuntu)
05:00<francesco>cahoot : what u mean ? get rid ?
05:01<cahoot>francesco: not listed by aptitude search linux-image
05:01<zobel>apt-get clean && aptitude install [tabtab]
05:02<francesco>same as before
05:02<zobel>francesco: do you had your kernel installed localy (dpkg -i) or do you have it in an additional apt repository?
05:02<francesco>in the middle of standard kernel i also have mine
05:03<francesco>i installed with dpkg -i cause i compiled them with fakeroot
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05:03<zobel>francesco: could you please paste "apt-cache policy $your-kernel-name" to
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05:06<francesco>i said none none
05:06<francesco>it said
05:09<zobel>no idea then
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05:15<EmleyMoor>I have some stuck connections in netstat -an... short of rebooting, how do I remove them?
05:15<francesco>zobel: how can i look in all my file to find the one with " $your-kernel-name "
05:15<enouf>EmleyMoor: stuck? :-p
05:15<francesco>so i could know where apt store that
05:15<enouf>francesco: locate and dlocate come to mind, IIUC
05:16<zobel>francesco: which shell are you using?
05:16<EmleyMoor>enouf: Established but useless - doing nothing getting in my way
05:16<enouf>francesco: er .. `uname -r` ?
05:16<zobel>maybe a hash -r or rehash might work as well.
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05:16<enouf>EmleyMoor: kill them via PID :-) use -tunap even
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05:17<enouf>or close the app ;-)
05:17<EmleyMoor>Mostly sat in CLOSE_WAIT
05:17<EmleyMoor>The app is closed
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05:18<enouf>i like lsof -i | egrep 'ESTAB|LIST' as well
05:19<enouf>well, add CLOSE .. or whatever in your condition
05:19<mib_dk2ohzsy>hi all
05:19<francesco>now i'm loadinfg the kernel from rep
05:19<EmleyMoor>Sorted... thanks
05:19<mib_dk2ohzsy>got a weird problem...
05:20<mib_dk2ohzsy>after updating debian testing yesterday, network fails
05:20<enouf>francesco: ignore my comments, obviously others are helping and i showed up late and am chiming in useless babble ..
05:20<mib_dk2ohzsy>couldn't find information on 'eth0:avahi' in /proc/net/dev
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05:21<wekt>When I try and install from USB, the Debian Installer boots and complains that it can't find a CD ROM and will not proceed with installation or find it's other components. I find no bug entry under package d-i for this. Am I doing something wrong? I attempted with both a daily sid image and Lenny 5.0.1.
05:21<mib_dk2ohzsy>went in aptitutde and it looks like network-manager is not needed anymore (??)
05:21<mib_dk2ohzsy>anyone experienced this?
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05:22<enouf>mib_dk2ohzsy: you likely don't even want avahi-daemon running
05:22<cahoot>conflicting with some other app?
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05:22<enouf>mib_dk2ohzsy: you can easily kill it, stop it from ever starting as a service/daemon, or --purge remove it -- and /msg dpkg 70
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05:23<mib_dk2ohzsy>thx enough, will try this now
05:23<enouf>mib_dk2ohzsy: i use /msg dpkg rcconf (to disable/enable services at boot time)
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05:24<enouf>mib_dk2ohzsy: you should become familiar with standard tools of netstat, top, ps, pstree, pkill, etc
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05:24<enouf>mib_dk2ohzsy: the debian-reference is a good thing to peruse/read
05:25<enouf>!+tell wekt -about usb install
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05:26<wekt>enouf: dpkg is missing
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05:26<wekt>enouf: the bot, dpkg, is missing
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05:38<mib_dk2ohzsy>enouf: I know a bit about those tools
05:39<mib_dk2ohzsy>enouf: I killed avahi-daemon
05:39<mib_dk2ohzsy>tried to restart /etc/init.d/networking
05:39<mib_dk2ohzsy>enouf: but no luck
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05:39<cahoot>mib_dk2ohzsy: network-manager conflicting with some other app?
05:40<mib_dk2ohzsy>cahoot: well, aptitude says network-manager is not required anymore!
05:40<mib_dk2ohzsy>but I didn't install anything
05:40<cahoot>mib_dk2ohzsy: replaced by wicd?
05:40<c36pop>hi i m on a low speed connection (bnsl evdo) , i m trying to make an update but for some big packages (evolution-common ...) it download 100% and then says Err : Connection timeout
05:41<mib_dk2ohzsy>cahoot: well, can a simple apt-get update do this without asking?
05:41<mib_dk2ohzsy>wicd is not installed anyway...
05:41<mib_dk2ohzsy>how come can my system think network-manager is not necessary??
05:42<cahoot>mib_dk2ohzsy: just asking since someone else earlier today got deprived of nm
05:42<mib_dk2ohzsy>mhh.. was he running latest debian testing? (I do)
05:42<mib_dk2ohzsy>(and maybe I shouldn't)
05:43<cahoot>mib_dk2ohzsy: no further info - but surely not lenny
05:43<mib_dk2ohzsy>all right, thx anyway
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05:44<c36pop>hi i m on a low speed connection (bnsl evdo) , i m trying to make an update but for some big packages (evolution-common ...) it download 100% and then says Err : Connection timeout : what can i do i tried several times
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05:49<mib_dk2ohzsy>How can I get the logs of the last synaptic upgrade?
05:49<cahoot> looked in /var/log?
05:50<gsimmons>cahoot, mib_dk2ohzsy: gnome-network-admin conflicts with network-manager-gnome in testing (Debian bug #460691). As the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage depends on gnome-network-admin, it removes network-manager-gnome. Updated metapackage dependencies are in unstable.
05:50<mib_dk2ohzsy>well, it's quite crowded there...
05:50<mib_dk2ohzsy>gsimmons: thanks!
05:51<mib_dk2ohzsy>gsimmons: but I can't remove gnome-network-admin right?
05:51<mib_dk2ohzsy>gsimmons: and this conflict is from yesterday?? (because I had both installed so far...)
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05:52<gsimmons>mib_dk2ohzsy: You'll want to remove the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage first, before being allowed to do so.
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05:58<francesco>berlusconi sucks
05:58<mib_dk2ohzsy>gsimmons: all right, now there is no conflict with network-manager
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05:59<mib_dk2ohzsy>but can I log out from gnome with no gnome and gnome-desktop-environment package?
05:59<mib_dk2ohzsy>will I be able to log in gnome back again?
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06:07<mib_dk2ohzsy>oh my
06:08<mib_dk2ohzsy>so now I don't have anything to let me configure the network
06:08<mib_dk2ohzsy>I don't have wifi or ethernet connection anymore
06:09<mib_dk2ohzsy>my computer just froze
06:09<mib_dk2ohzsy>and can't start: stopping at "Loading kernel modules..."
06:09<sundelor>apt-get install network-manager
06:10<mib_dk2ohzsy>I'm not connected to the network
06:10<sundelor>And how can you write here when?)
06:10<mib_dk2ohzsy>with another computer?
06:11<sundelor>ups) my bad)
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06:11<amphi>mib_dk2ohzsy: or just configure your /etc/network/interfaces
06:11<sundelor>insert install dvd(cd) with debian, and install pkg from cd?
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06:29<enouf>wekt: soon, dpkgbot will be back, if not already - but see the Installation Guide for now
06:31<enouf>!how are you?
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06:34<enouf>mib_dk2ohzsy: in case the bot wasn't avail for you - see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
06:34<ml|>gsimmons: by removing gnome-desktop-enveronment metapackage the allows you to remove/purge specific gnome apps?
06:35<enouf>mib_dk2ohzsy: but it appears you have other issues - perhaps eh?
06:35<ml|>or anybody !ask
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06:35<enouf>ml|: i wonder about if unmarkauto might be useful, but not sure where a metapackage is concerned
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06:36<enouf>nope, no bots that know of ...hrm
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06:37<enouf>no aptitude, no apt, no ravenbird - nada, zilch .. zippo
06:37<enouf>judd: aha you're alive :-)
06:37<judd>enouf: Error: "aha" is not a valid command.
06:37<ml|>enouf: ok, just that gnome package is not a metapackage like it once was?
06:37<ml|>judd works ;)
06:37<judd>ml|: Error: "works" is not a valid command.
06:37<enouf>ml|: it still is as well
06:38<enouf>ml|: i think _both_ are, 'gnome' and 'g-d-e'
06:38<ml|>you sure cause someone purged it and also took everything with it
06:39<enouf>ml|: erm .. it would, since it pulls in many other things, and without using unmarkauto, it'll auto remove things it pulled in - AFAIU
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06:41<ml|>but wouldn't removing a metapackage just remove the metapackage, asking cause somone told me otherwise, so wanna know what's right
06:41<enouf>ml|: $ tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop
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06:42<ml|>enouf: hmm ok thxs
06:42<enouf>ml|: i can't say with any certainty - i don't pay too much attention to metapackages, especially DE ones
06:43<enouf>ml|: also; $ apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment
06:43<ml|>me either don't use one but would be god to know
06:43<enouf>for a well-rounded view :-p
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06:43<ml|>seen it hah
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06:44<ml|>xmonad ftw :)
06:44<wekt>ml|: In aptitude it depends on your selection in configuration. By default when you've selected a meta-package manually and the others were automatically selected, deselecting the meta-p. unselects the auto-packages.
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06:44<enouf>ml|: well, just look at all those Depends :-P
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06:45<ml|>wekt: makes semse thxs
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06:46<enouf>ml|: one metapackage that's quite useful == build-essential ;-)
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06:47<ml|>guess one can select a metapackage and deselect the depends and get rid of only the metapackage
06:47<ml|>enouf: yes :)
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06:49<ml|>enouf: so is ssh :)
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06:53<enouf>ml|: heh
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06:57<ml|>is #debian-x just for X issues?
06:57<enouf>it's almost like - the bots need _their_day_of_rest :-P .. or worse, they've hunkered down because they sense the borg attacks coming :-P
06:57<enouf>ml|: Debian Xorg yes
06:58<enouf>ml|: it's a devel channel thoiugh
06:58<ml|>well judd is still around ;)
06:58<enouf>not a support one ml|
06:58<ml|>enouf: ah ok thanks
06:58<ml|>true that
06:58<enouf>ml|: any particular video driver issue?
06:59<ml|>enouf: no just asking in general thanks
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07:00<ml|>enouf: but if you a version of something judd comes in handy :)
07:00<enouf>ml|: i ask b/c there's #radeon, #intel-gfx(?) IIRC both on freenode, and IINM, #xorg and #xorg-devel too ... all are upstream
07:00<enouf>ml|: and other things - like PCIID lookups and even Kconfig options ;-)
07:01<ml|>enouf: good in and yes :)
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07:38<reno31>did someone now how to install nvidia drivers ?
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07:41<reno31>on debian sid ?
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07:42<ml|>reno31: you have nvidia?
07:42<reno31>yes 9600GT
07:42<ml|>what relaese?
07:43<reno31>nvidia driver ?
07:43<ml|>no of debian
07:43<reno31>i've dowloaded
07:43<ml|>you are on sid?
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07:44<reno31>He tell me : Debian Squeeze/Sid on login
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07:44<ml|>reno31: lsb_release looks like you are on testing
07:45<reno31>i've chek my xorg.conf and he his praticly empty
07:45<reno31>ok thank for the advice ;)
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07:47<reno31>in the section Device, i have only one line : Identifier "configured video device"
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07:48<ml|>reno31: follow this to install the nvidia driver don't use what you downloaded.....
07:48<reno31>ok i try
07:49<ml|>damn where is dpkg when you need him ;(
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07:50<Boluele>bom dia pessoal
07:52<Boluele>no angolan
07:52<Boluele>and u?
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07:57<reno31>thank U ml| your tuto work for me
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07:58<reno31>but now at loggin (graphical one) i have : failed to initialised HAL
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08:02<ml|>reno31: did you restart your dm?
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08:03<reno31>sorry dm ??
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08:03<ml|>you are on gnome?
08:03<reno31>(im a french guy), Yes i am in gnome
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08:04<reno31>may i have to just restart the computer and HAL will initialize ?
08:04<ml|>ok, '/etc/init.d/gdm restart' as root, but a reboot might be better
08:04<reno31>i try
08:05<ml|>or, '/etc/init.d/gdm stop' as root
08:05<ml|>or, '/etc/init.d/gdm start' as root
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08:07<reno31>ok it's good no error
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08:07<reno31>he works fine now
08:07<reno31>thank you guys
08:07<ml|>congrats, did you see a big nvidia logo?
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08:07<reno31>your are my hero of the day
08:07<ml|>hah thanks
08:07<reno31>yes i've seen a big and nice logo
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08:08<ml|>good, update your system and reboot when you can
08:09<reno31>thaths exactly what i'm doing
08:09<ml|>aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
08:10<ml|>ok :)
08:10<reno31>i use apt-get upgrade
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08:10<ml|>you to update first
08:10<reno31>there is no sound at loggin ??
08:12<ml|>can't help with that i don't use gnome. but by default there are no sounds afaik
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08:14<ml|>i don't see a need to advertise that a user is logging in ;)
08:14<reno31>you just use a trminal or kde ?
08:15<reno31>uk up to date
08:15<ml|>reno31: i use a window manager xmonad and mainly use the terminal
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08:16<ml|>dpkg where are you?
08:16<octoserver><octoserver> mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: oil_function_class_ptr_avg2_32xn_u8
08:16<octoserver> any idea what that is from ?
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08:16<octoserver>i cant play any video with xine either
08:17<ml|>octoserver: no idea but maybe try a purge/reinstall
08:17<cahoot>octoserver: what version of debian?
08:18<octoserver>i did
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08:18<octoserver>i cant play avi or h264
08:18<octoserver>i get sound but no vid
08:18<octoserver>all of my apps
08:18<sundelor>qutim vs pidgin? :)
08:18<libao>Hello, everyone!
08:18<ml|>where did you isntall mplayer from?
08:18<octoserver>ecept the program avifile-plaer i get vid but no sound lol
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08:19<ml|>octoserver: so you have no sound at all?
08:20<octoserver>i have sound if i play music
08:20<octoserver>i have sound if i play the video too
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08:20<octoserver>but no video
08:20<ml|>with totem?
08:20<octoserver>when i plaaay it in kmplayer, kaffeine , xine , gxine, doesnt matter, no video
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08:20<octoserver>nope not even totem
08:21<octoserver>if i try to run mplayer from the comand, i get mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: oil_function_class_ptr_avg2_32xn_u8
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08:21<octoserver>oh yea, i cant even play my dvd iso files in kaffeine anymore
08:21<octoserver>just a blank screen
08:23<ml|>ah, dunno maybe someone else can help, if you are on kde try in #debian-kde, but sounds like your system is messed up
08:23<octoserver>i did a full-upgrade and the problem hass not gone away
08:24<ml|>did this start happening after an update?
08:24<octoserver>no, before i think
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08:24<octoserver>well, i did a safe-updade. that may have messed it up
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08:25<ml|>dpkg: wb
08:25<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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08:28<ml|>hmm don't see any flood
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08:31<ml|>octoserver: you might want to install apt-listchanges and read what it tells you before you do any upgrading, since you are on testing
08:31<sundelor>i need cd\dvd burner... without dependences of gnome\kde, any idea?
08:31<ml|>dpkg: tell octoserver about apt-listchanges
08:31<locklace>sundelor: wodim
08:32<ml|>or mybashburn ;)
08:33<sundelor>and it will be like "mybrainburn" :D
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09:11<stuckey>Anyone know how to run an X application in a chroot?
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09:12<prahal>stuckey, dchroot did not worked ?
09:12<prahal>because the X dependencies should have been installed with the others . I have not tested if this is enough though
09:13<stuckey>prahal: I didn't try dchroot... I tried schroot
09:14<prahal>dchroot usage was in the link I gave yesterday . Do you still have it ?
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09:15<stuckey>prahal: ahh, didn't see that.
09:15<stuckey>Let me try it
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09:16<tecpatl>diederik> because it has an NTFS file system on it? <- you were right
09:16<tecpatl>i just installed the ntfs packages and worked fine :))
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09:18<stuckey>prahal: I don't have a /etc/dchroot.conf to edit, as is said in step 3.2.
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09:21<stuckey>I'm trying to run something in a chroot with the command "dchroot -c etch -d program" but I get this error: _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6000: Name or service not known
09:22<grummund>hi, anyone know how to go about migrating a centos server to debian?
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09:30<stuckey>prahal: Do I need to do step 1 if I've already setup a chroot?
09:30<prahal>stuckey, "xhost +" on the host
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09:30<stuckey>prahal: access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
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09:33<prahal>this should help with your problem . step 3.2 looks like it is to help dchroot with finding the chroot via an alias
09:34<stuckey>prahal: I don't have a /etc/dchroot.conf file
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09:34<prahal>just create it :)
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09:34<prahal>the xhost thing should workaround your issue with X11 error
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09:35<prahal>step 1 is not of use for you
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09:36<stuckey>prahal: _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6000: Name or service not known
09:36<prahal>except to double check that you have missed not step
09:36<stuckey>prahal: I just did bootstrap
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09:36<stuckey>prahal: I didn't do any of this linking...
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09:37<prahal> was the post . There are few other things
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09:37<prahal>hum it should have done the work for you .
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09:39<stuckey>phracked: I need to mount the /dev in the chroot to my dev?
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09:40<prahal>yes though it should have been be done automatically
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09:40<stuckey>prahal: it wasn't
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09:41<prahal>hum though I was more in the belief the X11 error was an access to the X of the host issue
09:42<stuckey>prahal: okay I did it and now it works
09:42<stuckey>prahal: but what exactly is going on when I bind my /tmp to the /tmp in the chroot?
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09:42<stuckey>prahal: I mean, it seems like the chroot could be able to "get out of jail" in this way huh?
09:42<stuckey>prahal: and why is this binding necessary anyway?
09:43<prahal>take care that the xhost + maye have helped too . And it won't persist upon reboot . You may want to read xauth tutorials to find out the clean and persistent way to authorize other host (here the chroot) to access X
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09:43<stuckey>prahal: do the mounting stuff was just a way to get the chroot to access X?
09:44<c36pop>hi , i m on a pretty low connection (10 - 20 Kbps) and i m facing a strange problem with apt-get ; for some package bigger than 10 Mb ; apt-get download 100 % and then tells me Err Connection Timeout ; is there anyway to tweak this
09:45<c36pop>ever if i restart the process ; i have the same problem with the same packages
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09:46<prahal>it should work without the tmp (though proc and dev are required) . I believe the chroot needs those only and that the dev where the most critical for to be able to access X via network localhost:6000 . Though it could well be that with /tmp shared it used pipe and directly accessed X which would not be what you want
09:46<ml|>c36pop: have you tried used aptitude?
09:46<prahal>you need to test cause I cannot tell for sure (unmounting /tmp from the chroot)
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09:47<c36pop>ml : no i m using synaptic / apt since many years
09:47<ml|>ok try aptitude
09:48<ml|>dpkg: tell c36pop about why aptitude
09:48<prahal>apt-get is a proof of concept
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09:50<c36pop>ml : i ve downloaded already 600 M from a 1.2 giga update ; is aptitude using the same cache as apt-get ?
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09:59<Tuss>Hello. I am trying to find the cause of my problems with suspend to ram with sid on my Thinkpad T42. It is able to suspend, and it wakes up to the console when the lid is opened, but almost immediately goes back to sleep again. However, if I close the lid and re-open it again, the machine will (at least most of the time) resume as expected.
10:00<Tuss>If I put it to sleep using /etc/acpi/, simply tapping the lid button will wake it up though.
10:00<c36pop>are there any primary debian repository servers working in http ?
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10:00<c36pop>not ftp
10:00<prahal>Tuss, hibernate is failing and suspend to ram works most of the time ?
10:01<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Tuss -about suspend troubleshooting
10:01<Tuss>paratux: I've never tried hibernate, but suspend to RAM works most of the time.
10:01<Tuss>However not really as expected.
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10:10<Tuss>What I'm wondering is, what scripts are run when the computer resumes from suspend to RAM?
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10:14<cahoot>Tuss: if you use pm-util you might have some use of /var/log/pm-suspend.log
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10:17<Tuss>cahoot: It seems I don't. Where's the entry point?
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10:17<spinlock>i'm confused abount lenny's talk/talkd inetutils-talk/inetutils-talkd packages and can't get it to work, somebody uses this?
10:20<ml|>dpkg: tell spinlock about doesn't work
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10:27<prahal>Tuss, you could also look after usage of /sys/power/pm_test if you have a kernel close to current (
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10:27<prahal>it enable you to test each parrt of the process
10:28<tuxcrafter>how can i make the character AE with the compose key?
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10:28<prahal>and report the bug to the correct part if bug there is (and not an acpi script / pm quircks issue)
10:28<patrikf>tuxcrafter: hit compose, A, E in that order? Æ
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10:31<tuxcrafter>patrikf: hmm wierd now it works must have been a pepcak
10:31<tuxcrafter>paratux: is that postfix compatibale?
10:31<tuxcrafter>i get strange sign in my terminal
10:32<tuxcrafter>when i do that
10:32<tuxcrafter>but in my text editor it works
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10:47<Tuss>Hm. If I run s2ram or pm-suspend, close the lid and then open it, it resumes as expected.
10:47<Tuss>This is VERY strange.
10:47<Tuss>And I *still* can't find the entry point
10:47<Tuss>Other than it seems to require acpid
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10:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:59<angeliyoxulo>que dices
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11:07<ikkerus>Alles gut?
11:07<ikkerus>sagt mal... was hat es eig. mit der .netrc auf sich? wo lege ich die an?
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11:09<q23p>hi, can anyone tell me how to cat $var into a file without cat transforming $var into ""(nothing)? tried to cat case "$var" in into a file but it keeps going case "" in!
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11:10<Tuss>q23p: You mean that you want to cat the literal string "$var", and not the content of the variable named var?
11:10<valdyn>q23p: like echo "$var"
11:10<valdyn>q23p: vs: echo '$var'
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11:12<tuxcrafter>somebody any idea whey characters liek EUR and ae or ss ? ? do not show up in my terminal?
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11:13<tuxcrafter>that is my local support
11:14<tuxcrafter>en_GB.UTF-8 is my LANG
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11:18<cahoot>tuxcrafter: the terminal font lacks those perhaps?
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11:20<tuxcrafter>cahoot: i tried sevral fonts sans dejavusans liberation in as terminal font still same issue
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11:21<tuxcrafter>testing with xterm but there those characters are not even displayed
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11:25<Tuss>Hahah! I fixed it!
11:26<Tuss>Happy happy joy joy.
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11:29<Lincoln32>i heard upgrading to Lenny from Etch 64 entailed some problems, can anyone suggest the best way to upgrade to Lenny?
11:30<ml|>dpkg: tell Lincoln32 about etch->lenny
11:30<ml|>read the release notes
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11:31<Lincoln32>ok i will take a look thanks
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11:33<ml|>Lincoln32: /msg dpkg lenny release notes
11:33<octoserver>this is bull&$^%, ive tryed 7 different players and all either cant play the video or i get sound and a black video. I could have installed XP in 45 min and had vidoe! Stable is old vaperware, and testing just doesnt work! What do I have to do, install frekin ubuntu? I hate Uoooobooontoooo
11:34<Tuss>octoserver: What does mplayer's log output say? You can pastebin or PM it to me.
11:34<bigtwix>use kubuntu
11:34<bigtwix>its KDE
11:34<octoserver>I have kde4 with desktop effects working fine, but i cant play a DVD or an avi or a h264 file wTF
11:34<bigtwix>and much better
11:34<Lincoln32>also while i am reading the release notes, anyone know of problems playing Vendetta Online due to GLIBC_2.4 not being found?
11:34<octoserver>i cant use mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: oil_function_class_ptr_avg2_32xn_u8
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11:35<ml|>octoserver: like i said and you know your system is messed up, if you want quick fix backup data and reinstall
11:35<grummund>hi, anyone know if it's possible to migrate a centos server to debian with only ssh access?
11:35<octoserver>people tell me I hosed my sys. I didnt hose it, all I did was my upgrades through aptitude
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11:35<Tuss>Wait, libscroedinger? That's the reference implementation of dirac, right?
11:35<octoserver>dude, it takes hours and hours to install and get everything back to the way it is
11:35<octoserver>maybe even a whole day
11:36<Lincoln32>hmm, i had video problems but then installed VLC
11:36<bigtwix>ya ive been there
11:36<Tuss>octoserver: How did you update? aptitude safe-upgrade?
11:36<Tuss>Heh, I suppose we all have.
11:36<Lincoln32>it's been able to play most of the videos I see from the internet
11:36<ml|>octoserver: well you said install xp or ubuntu so
11:36<octoserver>you spend so much time gettting all of your raid going and your NFS working and all of the othercrap and you do an update and you crap is crapped out
11:36<Tuss>So far, I haven't found a video file mplayer can't decode.
11:36<octoserver>im not installing ubuntu
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11:37<bigtwix>octoserver, have u used kubuntu before
11:37<bigtwix>its very nice
11:37<ml|>11:33:37 < octoserver> this is bull&$^%, ive tryed 7 different players and all either cant play the video or i get sound and a black video. I could have installed XP in 45 min and had vidoe! Stable is old vaperware, and testing just doesnt work! What do I have to do, install frekin ubuntu? I hate Uoooobooontoooo
11:37<Lincoln32>when I installed Etch, it came with Totem and I couldn't play many videos, but perhaps I didn't have the correct codecs installed
11:37<octoserver>it shouldnt be this hard to get video working, it was working fine a few days ago arrrrg
11:37<ml|>octoserver: your update went bad some how
11:38<Lincoln32>damn that does suck octoserver, I've been there
11:38<Tuss>octoserver: I'd do a sudo aptitude remove mplayer, or maybe even purge, and then re-install it and see if those dependencies are fixed.
11:38<octoserver>It cant be too bad, i dont have any reported broken packages , and when i did a full -upgrade, kde4 installed without a problem
11:38<octoserver>i did that
11:38<octoserver>3 times
11:39<octoserver>i get audio but no vid,
11:39<Tuss>Have you tried reinstalling libdirac?
11:39<Tuss>Also, try different -vo:s.
11:39<octoserver>kaffeine plays it with audio and no vidlol
11:39<octoserver>why would I get this? /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: oil_function_class_ptr_avg2_32xn_u8
11:39<octoserver>that is when i try to run mplayer
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11:40<Tuss>Well, it's some sort of linking problem. Try reinstalling libschroedinger-1.0-0 if you haven't already
11:41<octoserver>tuss, i tryed a bunch, i think i have to purge every player and lib dvd bla bla
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11:42<Tuss>You could try mplayer from debian-multimedia
11:42<octoserver>that is where i got it from i think
11:42<ml|>octoserver: not saying this what happened, but pay attention to what aptitude tells you while updating for next time, or it might be some wierd bug check bts
11:42<Tuss>Then, try removing those sources and re-installing from debian's repos.
11:43<Tuss>Maybe you have some old stuff from debian-multimedia left?
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11:43<Lincoln32>perhaps octoserver is missing a header file?
11:43<octoserver>ok, does it make sense that libdirac0 is described as development files, and the libdirac-dev is described as runtime lib lol
11:43<ml|>mplayer-nogui here from dmm
11:43<octoserver>yea, but i had vid working 3 days ago
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11:43<octoserver>everything is still installed
11:44<Lincoln32>have you tried googling that error octoserver?
11:45<octoserver>not yet
11:45<octoserver>ill look now
11:45<Lincoln32>that's what I do often
11:45<octoserver>me too, i didnt think about it im so pissed
11:45<ml|>yeah that can help ;)
11:46<Lincoln32>i am scared tho, because I have Etch working fairly consistently for me, but now Lenny is out and I have a GLIBC problem for Vendetta
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11:46<ml|>Lincoln32: maybe it's fixed in lenny
11:46<octoserver>nothing in google
11:46<Lincoln32>has anyone had any problems upgrading to Lenny from Etch?
11:46<omer666>Excuse me I've got a problem
11:46<omer666>under Lenny PowerPC
11:46<octoserver>ml|: im in testing
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11:47<omer666>anyone knows ?
11:47<Lincoln32>yeah i think it is, but it has something to do with GLIBC version not being offered above 2.3 in Etch
11:47<octoserver>if i do complete removal in synaptic, is that the same as purge ?
11:47<ml|>Lincoln32: some people have had problems, by not reading the release notes ;)
11:47<Lincoln32>yeah I will read them more thoroughly
11:48<ml|>octoserver: believe so afaik
11:48<octoserver>how do i find what package has in it ?
11:48<omer666>When I try an Xorg -configure I get a "fatal error: caught signal 7" message
11:48<ml|>but i use aptitude :)
11:48<omer666>what does it mean ?
11:48<Lincoln32>trying googling the library
11:48<Lincoln32>oooh, i used to get that fatal error
11:48<Lincoln32>i am trying to think how i corrected it
11:48<ml|>or apt-cahe searh
11:49<octoserver>well, that probably issnt even the reaon i cant play vid in xine im sure
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11:50<octoserver>I cant even play frekin DVD's anymore. wont even open them in kaffine,
11:50<ml|>omer666: you cam slo try #debian-ppc see if anyone is there
11:50<octoserver>id use VLC, but i dont think it is in the repos
11:50<ml|>vlc is in dmm i think
11:51<Lincoln32>omer: are you using an nvidia driver?
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11:51<omer666>no an Lincoln32 I'm with an aty128
11:51<Lincoln32>ok i think mine had something to do with needing to upgrade my nvidia driver
11:51<octoserver>i think i made a mistake using 64 deb
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11:51<octoserver>maybe that is my prob
11:52<Lincoln32>try googling the error with your video card
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11:52<Lincoln32>and make sure your horizontal and vertical refresh rates are correct
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11:53<octoserver>why the heck you apt want to remove all of my kde for uninstalling libmad0 ?
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11:54<Lincoln32>omer: have you tried /etc/init.d/gdm start from the terminal assuming you are using gnome
11:55<omer666>Xorg works in fact
11:55<omer666>but I can't get my screen resolution
11:56<Slurb>just kde-full
11:56<omer666>and such an error when trying to configure it can't be "normal"
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11:56<Lincoln32>hmm i just list all my screen resolutions in my xorg.conf file
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11:56<Lincoln32>so are you saying you are in a graphical user environment?
11:57<omer666>indeed I tried that but in fact it didn't work, I must be too much of a beginner
11:57<omer666>Yes I've got LXDE
11:57<omer666>with gdm
11:57<omer666>but right now I disactivated it
11:59<Lincoln32>this may be dumb, but I use Control + Alt and +/- to change my resolutions
11:59<q23p>how do i make cat write $var literal in this example?: cat << EOT >> ./ case $var in EOT
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12:00<omer666>yes but I even tried with a command line and it said 800x600 was my only choice
12:00<omer666>but could give it a try
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12:00<Lincoln32>do you have other choices listed in your xorg.conf file?
12:00<omer666>I've only got "configured device" or some shit like that
12:00<adb>q23p: try #bash on freenode
12:01<omer666>but no resolution
12:01<omer666>no depth
12:01<omer666>no luck :-S
12:01<Lincoln32>that could be a problem
12:01<octoserver>well, if it isnt hosed yet, it will be after im donw purging and removining over 200 apps
12:01<Lincoln32>i have it this way
12:01<q23p>adb: okay ill check that ;) thanks
12:01<Lincoln32>Section "Screen"
12:01<Lincoln32>a few lines later i have SubSection "Display"
12:02<Slurb>octoserver: you dont have sid do you?
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12:02<ml|>he's on testing
12:02<Lincoln32>uder that indented i have first Depth 1
12:02<Slurb>i have sid and apt is totally messed up
12:03<Slurb>it will hose your system if you listen to it
12:03<Lincoln32>and on the next line with the same indent I have Modes "1680 x 1050" "800 x 600"
12:03<ml|>omer666: you can try adding your monitor's resolution in xorg.conf
12:03<Lincoln32>and then after that I have many lines for different Depths
12:03<ml|>and refresh rate
12:03<Lincoln32>and finally and End Subsection clause
12:04<adb>Lincoln32: defaultDepth 24 is better
12:04<omer666>well I would like to but I don't know the syntax sothat I break the Xorg each time I try
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12:04<Lincoln32>really? ok I think it is listed in my xorg.conf
12:04<ml|>omer666: find the specs for you monitor
12:04<Lincoln32>i can send you my xorg.conf file if you like omer666
12:04<omer666>I know them
12:04<Slurb>omer what monitor do you have
12:04<omer666>by heart
12:05<Lincoln32>adb: I have a 24 depth section listed as well as many others
12:05<omer666>Slurb: Hyundai L70N
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12:06<omer666>With a maximal resolution at 1280x1024
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12:07<ml|>omer666: in Section "Screen"
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12:07<omer666>"Default Screen"
12:08<ml|>add Option "1280x1024_refresh rate
12:08<Slurb>well i would say add the lines to your xorg.conf
12:08<omer666>Monitor : "Configured Monitor"
12:08<adb>omer666: lspci -v | grep VGA
12:08<adb>does what ?
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12:09<Lincoln32>omer: also you could check to see if you have Modes listed under your Section "Screen"
12:09<ml|>then for Monitor "Configured Monitor"
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12:11<Slurb>pastebin you xorg.conf
12:11<omer666>no Modes Lincoln32
12:11<Lincoln32>hmm do you have a line that says Section "Screen"
12:12<Lincoln32>the Modes section inside Screens is where I list all the different resolutions I want to use
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12:13<omer666>lspci and co. does 00:10.0 VGA compatible controller : ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RE/SG (prog-if 00 [VGA Controller])
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12:13<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (ie. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
12:14<Lincoln32>insides your Screens section check to see if you have a SubSection "Display listed
12:14<Slurb>i have a simple solution for you omer666
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12:14<adb>Slurb: we listen to you
12:14<Slurb>does your vidcard have a digital out and your monitor have a hdmi in?
12:14<omer666>no "Display"
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12:15<omer666>Flat screen with VGA as an only connectics
12:15<ml|>omer666: if you haven't already follow dpkg suggestion
12:15<Slurb>if you go all digital with the signal the modes seem to be detected better
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12:15<vvas>it's an ati rage, he doesn't need proprietary drivers
12:15<omer666>in fact being under ppc no proprietary drivers
12:15<Slurb>xorg.conf is not really needed anymore except in special situations
12:16<vvas>also these days, the best configuration for X is usually "rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf" :-p
12:16<vvas>ah, what Slurb said
12:16<Slurb>i would try using envy or m-a to install the proprietary drivers from ati
12:16<Lincoln32>let me know if you need need help adding a Subsection "Display" with your resolutions in it
12:16<vvas>Slurb: the proprietary drivers are for radeon cards, they have nothing to do with his card
12:17<omer666>in fact I would try the "rm" solution :p
12:17<stuckey>I'm about to try out the X1300 radeon card.
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12:17<Slurb>your right was
12:17<omer666>but Lincoln32 if you could send me you xorg.conf on my email it would be so great
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12:18<Lincoln32>sure pm your email
12:18<Slurb>i would try deleting the xorg.conf and logging out
12:19<Slurb>or running gdm/kdm
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12:23<Lincoln32>ok thanks for the info and help everyone, good luck
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12:23<Slurb>stuckey: go eith nvidia
12:23<stuckey>Slurb: I have nvidia now, I'm throwing it out for a card with an open-source driver.
12:23<Slurb>i have had much better results with nvidia and linux
12:24<Slurb>nvidia is right on top of things with their support
12:24<ml|>stuckey: gl and send me your card :)
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12:24<Slurb>but if you must...i wish you good luck too
12:25<stuckey>The x1300 is a beast of a card.
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12:25<ml|>stuckey: i'm not kidding this time, and enjoy your new card :)
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12:27<Slurb>just the first result of ati x1300 linux at google
12:28<Slurb>i get outstanding performance with an nvidia geforce 8500gt 512mb card
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12:29<Slurb>in 3d games i get over 250fps @1680x1050
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12:31<Slurb>omer666: any luck?
12:31<omer666>hum didn't try the "rm" solution, had to reboot with my idiotic tries
12:32<Slurb>you dont have to do a reboot each time
12:32<Slurb>just kill kdm/gdm and rerun it
12:32<Slurb>or restart it
12:32<omer666>yeah but had a freeze from my 10 y-old machine
12:33<Slurb>on a freeze try cntrl-alt-backspace and cntrl-alt-delete before a hard reset
12:33<edbian>My clock on my desktop gnome panel is correct but the clock on the GDM screen is off by 6 hours (I am 6 hours from GMT) How can I fix it?
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12:34<stuckey>I'm trying to run virtualbox, to run "modprobe vboxdrv" but it says: FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
12:34<omer666>yes, did it
12:34<omer666>but no result
12:34<adb>stuckey: install virtualbox kernel module
12:34<gsimmons>dpkg: tell stuckey -about virtualbox
12:34<omer666>ok i'm on trying the "rm" solution
12:35<Slurb>i find it hard to freeze a debian system
12:35<omer666>AHAHAHAHA (satanic laugths)
12:35<omer666>yes but with an old junkie mac like mine...
12:35<stuckey>adb: thanks, I just realized what I did wrong
12:35<Slurb>of course i didnt when i first began
12:35<omer666>ok see you later got to go
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12:36<stuckey>adb: Now I'm getting that error about the kernel driver not being accessable to the current user; the user is however a memeber of the vboxusers group.
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12:37<adb>stuckey: cat /etc/group | grep vbox
12:37<adb>does what ?
12:37<stuckey>adb: vboxusers:x:110:stuckey
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12:38<adb>stuckey: ok, logout /log in
12:38<locklace>!uuoc adb
12:38*dpkg hands adb the "unnecessary use of cat" award
12:38<stuckey>adb: same shit
12:39<Slurb>you have to logout to make changes to groups and users go into effect
12:39<ml|>locklace: loves giving that award ;)
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12:40<adb>stuckey: reboot ..
12:40<stuckey>reboot? I thought that was only necessary with kernel upgrades?
12:40<adb> shutdown -nr now
12:40<gsimmons>stuckey: ls -l /dev/vboxdrv
12:41<stuckey>gsimmons: crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 59 2009-06-21 18:35 /dev/vboxdrv
12:41<ml|>stuckey: it doesn't hurt to try
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12:41<gsimmons>stuckey: "invoke-rc.d udev reload", then repeat the ls command.
12:41<Slurb>i thought that it required a full reboot
12:41<adb>locklace: ok , than grep vbo /etc/group ...
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12:42<stuckey>gsimmons: crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 59 2009-06-21 18:35 /dev/vboxdrv
12:42<gravol>the network manager applet will not allow me to disable networking. It will say that its disabled but I can surf anyway
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12:42<gsimmons>stuckey: modprobe -r vboxdrv ; modprobe vboxdrv
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12:43<stuckey>gsimmons: what worked
12:43<edbian>What is the point of having aptitude AND apt-get ? Is one better / newer / faster than the other?
12:43<ml|>adb: the -n option in shutdown is depecated, hello btw
12:43<stuckey>gsimmons: Thanks!
12:43<gsimmons>stuckey: np. You're using Lenny?
12:44<ml|>dpkg: tell edbian about aptitude
12:44<ml|>dpkg: tell edbian about why aptitude
12:44<adb>ml|: -n: do not go through "init" but go down real fast
12:44<ml|>dpkg: tell edbian about apt
12:44<edbian>thank you :)
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12:45<adb>ml|: that IS *real fast* reboot , on lenny at list
12:45<ml|>adb: man shutdown and you will see what i mean
12:45<stuckey>A quick question about crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 59 2009-06-21 18:35 /dev/vboxdrv
12:46<stuckey>If the group is root, then how is it that user can access this if user isn't in the root group?
12:46<adb>crw------- 1 root vboxusers 10, 60 Jun 13 01:42 /dev/vboxdrv
12:46<adb>stuckey: ^^
12:46<adb> ls -l /dev/vboxdrv , get this here
12:47<stuckey>crw-rw---- 1 root vboxusers 10, 59 2009-06-21 18:43 /dev/vboxdrv
12:47<stuckey>That's what I have
12:47<stuckey>oh, it changed.
12:47<adb>ok , than
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12:48<adb>kernel magics ..
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12:48<ml|>stuckey: not use chroot any more?
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12:49<adb>ml|: don't disturb him .. :)
12:49<stuckey>ml|: It would be easier to juse use a vm
12:49*ml| backs away slowly
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12:50<stuckey>What's the point of a chroot when there's virtualbox?
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12:50<ml|>yup why i suggested before :)
12:50<Slurb>chroot is far superior
12:51<Slurb>just like the real thing
12:51<ml|>kvm is nice
12:51<Slurb>virtualbox is better imho
12:51<Slurb>not the ose
12:51<Slurb>the real one
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12:52<ml|>stuckey is on ose
12:52<Slurb>stuckey you have no usb support in ose
12:54<ml|>i belive there are workarounds
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12:54<ml|>but non-ose has it so
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12:59<gravol>the network manager applet will not allow me to disable networking. It will say that its disabled but I can surf anyway
12:59<ml|>gravol: /etc/init.d/networking stop
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13:01<gravol>what I would like to do is to disable networking easily by right clicking the applet just like I can do in my other Debian box
13:01<Slurb>gravol: just type sudo ifdown eth0
13:01<Slurb>or make a script
13:02<Slurb>then a different one for ifup
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13:02<Slurb>i am Slurb
13:02<adb> /IDENTIFY
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13:05<panv>hi there
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13:05<panv>i have a problem in my sound.
13:05<panv>in fact, i cannot hear any sound of my laptop
13:05<adb>lenny ?
13:05<panv>i have h pavilion dv3000
13:05<panv>and running lenny
13:06<adb>run alsaconf
13:06<gsimmons>stuckey: For your information, you were hitting Debian bug #509014 earlier.
13:06<panv>but with kernel 2.29-bpo-amd64
13:06<Slurb>alsaconf no longer exists
13:06<panv>i tried alsaconf.
13:06<panv>all seems fine.
13:06<panv>but still no voice.
13:06<adb>Slurb: alsaconf is there in lenny
13:06<panv>Slurb, what should i do else ?
13:07<panv>alsaconf is there ..
13:07<Slurb>panv try turning the volume dial on your laptop...the physical one
13:07<panv>but it's useless in my case.
13:07<panv>not working.
13:07<panv>the physical one is a touch slide.
13:07<Slurb>what does alsaconf say?
13:07<panv>anytime i touch it, the keyboard stops working.
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13:07<panv>alsaconf says that the sound is ok.
13:07<simNIX>On my Lenny I have grub-legacy operational and grub2 added - legacy is setup to load grub2 - I now would like to use grub-mkimage of grub2, only when I man grub-mkimage I see version 1.96 ... how can I be sure I use grub-mkimage of grub2 ?
13:08<Slurb>i think it has to do with the volume thiong
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13:08<panv>the volume is on it's loudest state.
13:08<panv>believe me.
13:08<Slurb>no the physical one
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13:08<panv>i think maybe it's the driver.
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13:09<Slurb>well try d/ling the alsa package and building new modules
13:09<Slurb>sometimes thaty does work
13:09<panv>how would i do that ?
13:09<Slurb>but i think you should look into the touch slide thing
13:10<adb>panv: try speaker-test -t wav
13:10<panv>let me try that
13:10<Slurb>here is the link to d/l alsa
13:10<adb>does what ?
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13:11<panv>adb... it's working as if there should be voice. but still no voice.
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13:12<Slurb>i think its the hardware volume thingy is set to nil
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13:12<Slurb>the slide
13:12<ml|>panv: did you ever have sound working?
13:12<panv>when the machine was on windows.
13:12<panv>there was voice.
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13:13<ml|>so you recently installed debian then?
13:13<panv>and i am still struggling with the drivers.
13:13<panv>i had to change the kernel for wireless network to work
13:13<panv>then, vga is still not working correctly
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13:13<panv>and voice.
13:14<ml|>oh, it still could hardware related, but if it worked in windows
13:14<panv>i recently bought the machine. but i have been using debian for long.
13:14<Slurb>panv: try this thread
13:14<panv>ok Slurb
13:14<panv>i will...
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13:15<adb>panv: uname -r ?
13:15<Slurb>the laptop has an extra hardware
13:15<Slurb>the fix at the link i think will work
13:15<panv>let me try it Slurb
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13:24<pepe>Some one available for gnome desktop related question?
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13:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:25<simNIX>you wil probably only find out if you ..
13:26<pepe>okay, I have been searching for some option to take away panel from maximized windows buttons and I can't, I don't know if it's some bug or I'm missing something
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13:27<Slurb>the only way on gnome is to run the program fullscreen
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13:27<Slurb>at least that ive found
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13:27<Slurb>even auto-hiding the panel doesnt work all the way
13:28<pepe>the panel that appears on the top of the screen, where appears the hour and the menu, is above the buttons of any maximized window and I can't use them
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13:28<Slurb>i c
13:28<azeem_>pepe: running unstable?
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13:28<Slurb>are you using compiz?
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13:28<azeem_>18:03 < schorpp> breaks maximize windows funktion, title bars get covered by upper/down panels
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13:29<pepe>no, it's a testing branch, clean gnome instalation using tasksel, just would like to know if it's some bug so I stop searching for such option
13:29<locklace>!lart Guest390
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13:30<azeem>pepe: sounds like a bug, yes
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13:30<Slurb>i ran into the same bug
13:30<pepe>if it's a bug, alright, it's testing..., just need to know
13:30<Slurb>with compiz install
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13:30<Slurb>just changed a setting in my xorg.conf to allow compositing
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13:31<Slurb>but that was ages ago
13:31<ml|>pepe: file a bug report with reportbug
13:31<pepe>yes, I was googling and some people were complaing but when they were using compiz, that wasn't my case, I was running clean gnome desktop just installed
13:32<azeem>19:27 < azeem> pepe: sounds like a bug, yes
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13:32<pepe>okay, I'll try with that compisiting option, if it doesn't fix I'll report as bug
13:32<Slurb>i would say its a bug
13:32<azeem>pepe: eh, did you even check the bug reports?
13:32<Slurb>gnome as far as i know doesnt use compositing
13:32<simNIX>I have problem finding package that has svn on Lenny ... anyone know what it's called ?
13:32<azeem>!dbugs 533917
13:33<azeem>!dbug 533917
13:33<dpkg>#533917:I[metacity] metacity: title bar hidden below top panel on maximized windows (); Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:57:04 UTC []
13:33<gsimmons>simNIX: subversion
13:33<T_X>I'm probably the thousands person asking this... but I'm just getting more and more confused by googling for the answer... I have an AR5001X+ atheros wireless pci-card here and would like to run it in Master+ahdemo mode on my Debian unstable. I just read, that madwifi has been removed from unstable, and that the ath5k driver is the way to go. so by default, I have this nice wlan0 device which I can only set to ad-hoc, managed or monitor mode, but
13:33<T_X> not ahdemo or master
13:33<Slurb>apt-get install svn
13:33<ml|>!beer azeem
13:33*dpkg pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for azeem
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13:34<pepe>no, I didn't, but I've installed debian testing from scratch twice to make sure I didn't miss anything during installation but it was the same
13:34<simNIX>gsimmons, ty
13:34<azeem>pepe: what does "dpkg --configure -a" say?
13:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
13:35<T_X>so is there a way to get this card into master + ahdemo mode at the same time?
13:35<Slurb>T X try sudo iwconfig mode wlan0 master...i think
13:35<simNIX>I tried Slurp but it didnt find anything
13:35<pepe>everything goes smoothly
13:36<pepe>no errors output from dpkg
13:36<simNIX>Im on Lenny
13:36<T_X>Slurb: yep, this doesn't work, tried that already: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
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13:36<gsimmons>T_X: The ath5k driver doesn't support master mode operation at this time.
13:36<T_X>do I need anyhting else? hostapd?
13:36<T_X>gsimmons: ah, ok, what a pitty
13:36<Slurb>is it supported by the ath5k driver?
13:37<pepe>okay Slurb, I have to leave now, I'll come later. thanks for support
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13:38<simNIX>I know found subversion so Im ok - just FWIW would like to note that I did search in synaptic for packages that could suply svn and got no hits
13:38<Slurb>T X lemme look into it
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13:39<Slurb>slimnix you are using unstable right?
13:39<simNIX>No Lenny
13:39<simNIX>with gnome
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13:40<simNIX>I was looking for svn to pull latest grub2
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13:41<T_X>ah, wait, sorry, the desktop-pc with the pci-wifi-card is debian testing. my laptop is unstable :D
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13:41<Slurb>T K i dont see your card as even being sup[ported
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13:42<T_X>ap-mode is not supported with a newer kernel-version, is it?
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13:42<T_X>this link says, that ap-mode is on its way for ath5k:
13:42<Slurb>no your chipset is not listed as supported at all
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13:42<Slurb>check supported chipsets
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13:45<Sebby>i newbie and i`m running Debian 4 ,and i need HELP - annytime i try to "su" i get "Segmentation Fault" and i don`t know how to deal whit
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13:46<patrikf>Sebby: do you have other options to become root (e.g. sudo)?
13:46<patrikf>or can you log in as root at one of the ttys?
13:47<T_X>Slurb: hmm, yes, weird... I'll ask in the linux-wireless-irc-channel to check if this list is up-to-date. because so far it seems to work fine with managed/ad-hoc/monitor
13:47<Sebby>no i don`t have it (i tried to install it using apt-get but i got an error (var/...)
13:47<T_X>or how can I check which wireless driver I'm currently using?
13:47<Slurb>T X they will pobably be delighted to hear from you
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13:48<Sebby>i run verlihub as root and i have sshd installed and accepting connections on port 33 (i set it not to accept root login from the 1st time , u must login as normal user then su)
13:48<Slurb>lsmod will tell you
13:48<Slurb>i think
13:49<patrikf>Sebby: but you said su segfaults
13:49<Slurb>use sudo
13:49<Slurb>you cannot su to root if you disable root login
13:49<patrikf>Sebby: so, do you know how to run commands as root without su?
13:50<simNIX>Sebby, my 1st test would be that of ram ...
13:50<simNIX>... it worked ok before ?
13:50<Slurb>i think never worked
13:51<simNIX>besides su no segfaults at all ?
13:51<Sebby>su i saw only
13:52<Slurb>my su works but since i disabled root login there is in fact no password to login to root
13:52<simNIX>sudo bash
13:52<simNIX>disbled root how ?
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13:52<Slurb>on the install
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13:52<patrikf>Sebby: if su never worked... how did you install packages etc. before? how long have you been running this system?
13:52<Slurb>disabled it completely
13:53<simNIX>what does sudo bash say ?
13:53<Sebby>other problem is that i run verlihub and verlihub part is setup corectly but my box doesn`t accept more then 50-60 connections when reach that amount my box looks like Ofline but there are users connected
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13:54<simNIX>for simplicity let stick to to theDebian specifc segfault for now - )
13:55<simNIX>what does sudo bash say ?
13:55<Slurb>try a sudo apt-get reinstall su
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13:55<Sebby>rds:/# sudo
13:55<Sebby>-bash: sudo: command not found
13:55<simNIX>o o
13:56<simNIX>no sudo = regualr user -= no way to get sudo on
13:56<simNIX>whereis sudo
13:56<simNIX>does that output something ?
13:56<Sebby>rds:/# sudo
13:56<Sebby>-bash: sudo: command not found
13:56<Slurb>hey you are root
13:56<Sebby>rds:/# sudo
13:56<Sebby>-bash: sudo: command not found
13:56<joe__>i have debian-jr installed for my son, he is 2 yrs old, he uses the GCompris kids program, its awesome.... anyone know how i can make it so if GCompris exits it starts again immediately, or so you cant exit the program
13:56<Slurb>run apt-get install su sudo
13:56<joe__>and maybe a way to lock down the keyboard so he cant hit none of the special keys
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13:57<Sebby>rds:/# apt-get install su sudo
13:57<Sebby>Reading package lists... Done
13:57<Sebby>Building dependency tree... Done
13:57<Sebby>E: Couldn't find package su
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13:57<Slurb>install sudo
13:57<Slurb>you are root though
13:57<simNIX>joe__ is GCompris one 'executable' ?
13:57<Slurb>any time you see a # you are root
13:57<simNIX>dont logout Slurb !
13:57<joe__>i believe so, how can i check?
13:58<Sebby> subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
13:58<Sebby>Errors were encountered while processing:
13:58<Sebby>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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13:58<joe__>SimNix prolly not now that i think of it, like inside GCompris you can start Tux Paint and it minimizes GCompris and starts Tux Paint or something
13:58<simNIX>I mean areit seoparate games you start seprately from the menu of do you start one thing from the menu and then switch between games in the program ?
13:59<Slurb>if you run gcomriz from a script it is easy
13:59<simNIX>in .xinitrc if im not mistaken you load your wm
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13:59<simNIX>intead I can for instance load firefox
13:59<joe__>i could just make my WM GCompriz ?
13:59<simNIX>and have only that with no menu or whatever
13:59<joe__>er Gcompris
14:00<Slurb>used to compiz
14:00<simNIX>just trying to piont that where normaly wm is loaded you can also load a x program
14:00<joe__>what is compiz ?
14:00<Sebby>so now what do i do
14:00<Slurb>a compositing manager for gnome
14:01<Slurb>makes gnome cool
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14:01<simNIX>Sebby, I would start with runnig memtest for 12 hors or more on the ram ..
14:01<Slurb>Sebby: try dpkg-reconfigure sudo
14:01<Slurb>dont log out
14:01<Slurb>and try apt-get install -f
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14:02<melvin>how to set DNS server in Lenny
14:02<simNIX>... eventhough it somehow feels like you maybe messed up since a well installed Etch Debian should have su / sudo and never segfault on those 2
14:02<Sebby>says sudo is not installed
14:02<Slurb>its definately a botched install
14:03<simNIX>melvin, main choice is tinydns or bind I think ...
14:03<simNIX>why ?
14:03<Slurb>because sudo and su should work
14:03<simNIX>I find it bloated - but that personal pref :)
14:04<simNIX>no bind9 over tinydns
14:04<Slurb>maybe a file didnt d/l right
14:04<Slurb>im just saying its out there
14:04<Yonut27>Can someone tell me which is a better windows file system to use on Linux? I have a portable drive that needs to connect to both a windows machine and a Linux machine. NTFS is terribly slow under linux. and it seems the only choices I have are Fat, exFAT, and NTFS. Any recommendations?
14:04<simNIX>ok my bad
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14:04<Slurb>i would try tiny first
14:04<simNIX>we responded both
14:04<simNIX>I thought you responded to my responce
14:04<zaltekk>Yonut27: i think you can find ext2 drivers for windows
14:05<Yonut27>zaltekk: hmmm, hopefully not made by MS
14:05<simNIX>Yonut27, google ext2 (or maybe 3?) support windows
14:05<llutz>Yonut27: fat32 is fine if you can live with 4gb filesize-limit
14:05<simNIX>if im not mistaken its posible
14:05<Slurb>i dont have speed problems with NTFS
14:06<gsimmons>Yonut27: /msg dpkg ext2fsd ; /msg dpkg ext2ifs
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14:06<Slurb>maybe over a network
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14:06<Slurb>but not directly
14:07<simNIX>Slurb, if in a Debian installnig proces something dont ownload write it dont finishes succesfull and reboots into a new Debian ...
14:07<Yonut27>for some reason I installed ntfs-3g, but when I check my mtab file, it says something different under the file type (sorry, isn't connected right now, and can't remember the name)
14:07<Sebby>so what can i do to fix that install if is install problem
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14:08<Yonut27>and it was stalling for about 10 seconds on every file it transfered.
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14:08<simNIX>Sebby, did you install this etch ?
14:08<Slurb>Sebby: try apt-get install -f
14:08<llutz>Yonut27: ntfs-3g is a fuse-fs
14:08<Yonut27>that's what it said fude
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14:09<Sebby>i tryed
14:09<llutz>Yonut27: and yes, last time i had to use it, it was awfull slow :(
14:09<Sebby>and this is what i get :
14:09<Slurb>Yonut27: isnt there a ntfs too
14:09<Yonut27>It just seems my one drive which is FAT32 is faster then my drive as NTFS (under Linux), both drives are the same manufacturer, and size.
14:09<Sebby>rds:/# apt-get install -f
14:09<Sebby>Reading package lists... Done
14:09<Sebby>Building dependency tree... Done
14:09<Sebby>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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14:10<llutz>Slurb: not if you want user-rw
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14:10<Slurb>writing files is slow
14:10<Slurb>i have only read
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14:10<Pitxyoki>There is a paster bot?
14:11<Sebby>rds:/# apt-get install -f
14:11<Sebby>Reading package lists... Done
14:11<Sebby>Building dependency tree... Done
14:11<Sebby>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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14:11<Slurb>ok Sebby try an apt-get install dpkg sudo
14:11<simNIX>Sebby, you have segfaulting su and no sudo - if ram is good (test with memtest) then no segfault of su can exist if you installed Debian ok ...
14:11<Slurb>i got it
14:11<Pitxyoki>!paster bot
14:11<dpkg>Please don't paste in the channel. Visit or to upload your information and then give us the URL. Ask me about <pastebin> for other alternatives.
14:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
14:11<simNIX>.... I dont see how you put Debian on I recomend start a fresh after reading up on howto install Debian
14:11<Sebby>until 2 days ago Debian run fine
14:12<Slurb>sounds like someone did something 2 days ago
14:12<simNIX>or did you maybe not select standard in install ?
14:12<Sebby>is it possible that i got hacked and ?
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14:13<simNIX>if there's been time that it did work ok yes
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14:14<Sebby>i updated my packeges frequently ...
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14:15<Slurb>try the memtest too
14:15<Sebby>i tryed memtest all
14:15<simNIX>one lousy password or badly config or use of insecure protocol of something cant be prefented with updates ...
14:16<Pitxyoki>Sebby, can you post the output of apt-cache policy sudo to ?
14:16<simNIX>and maybe theres a hole we need to learn about
14:16<Pitxyoki>And, can you login as root by using one of the ttys?
14:16<Sebby>don`t know what is apt-cache policy sudo
14:16<Pitxyoki>It's a command for you to do at a terminal.
14:17<Pitxyoki>apt-cache policy sudo
14:17<Sebby>i know apt-get is a package manager and what sudo does ..
14:17<simNIX>Pitxyoki, as Slurp pasted here aerlyer a # was in front so I asume curently root somehow
14:17<Pitxyoki>Just type that somewhere and paste it at
14:17<Pitxyoki>simNIX, that actually doesn't necessarily mean he's root.
14:17<Sebby>as root or normal user ?
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14:17<Pitxyoki>For that command it's indifferent.
14:17<Pitxyoki>Also, what does 'whoami' say, Sebby?
14:18<Slurb>he is in a ssh terminal i believe
14:18<Pitxyoki>And lol, I just love fortunes:
14:18<Sebby>as root i can only from a terminal that doesn`t let me scroll
14:18<Pitxyoki>This is what I got when I opened a terminal just now:
14:18<Pitxyoki>As a computer, I find your faith in \
14:18<Pitxyoki>\ technology amusing.
14:18<Sebby>whoami says rot
14:19<Pitxyoki>Then you are root.
14:19<Pitxyoki>What's the problem again?
14:19<Sebby>that from colinux nt terminal (the one that doesn`t let me scroll)
14:20<simNIX>Pitxyoki, pob Sebby Segfaulting su and no sudo
14:20<Sebby>the problem is that when i su i get "Segmentation fault"
14:20<Pitxyoki>Then how did you login as root?
14:20<Lethalman>Sebby: you got hacked
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14:21<simNIX>this is so out of the ordenary that you could be right ..
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14:21<Pitxyoki>Anyway, if you are root, you can try apt-get --reinstall install login
14:21<Sebby>as root i can only login using the colinux nt console
14:22<simNIX>Sebby, maybe 1st check apt-sources
14:22<Pitxyoki>That must reinstall su.
14:22<Pitxyoki>Ah, yes.
14:22<edbian>Is there a way to write a script that will look up my balances from my bank's online banking website?
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14:22<Pitxyoki>Check your sources and do an apt-get clean before anything.
14:22<Sebby>i`m newbie
14:22<Sebby>i don`t know how
14:22<simNIX>cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:23<simNIX>and pastebin that pls
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14:23<edbian>Currently I have to type in a username, answer a security question, and put in a password. All of which are on their own separate screens. I am looking to automate this.
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14:24<Pitxyoki>edbian, eek.
14:24<simNIX>edbian, let firefox remeber it ?
14:24<Pitxyoki>I'd rather not do that.
14:24<simNIX>o - there a prog for it - )
14:24<petemc>if you do figure out a way, you would probably want to switch banks as soon as possiblew
14:24<edbian>simNIX firefox won't. IDK why. Doesn't recognize them as passwords. Plus the security question changes.
14:24<Pitxyoki>At least I like to do it all manually, when it's about money.
14:25<Sebby># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 200
14:25<Sebby>70407-11:29]/ etch contrib main
14:25<Pitxyoki>Well, if the question changes... How would you want to automate that?
14:25<edbian>Pitxyoki: I'm sick of that :(. I'm looking for something similar to outlook. One click, all my emails :)
14:25<Sebby>deb etch main
14:25<Sebby>deb-src etch main
14:25<simNIX>Sebby, pls google pastebin
14:25<edbian>not outlook, I meant evolution
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14:25<Sebby>deb etch/updates main contrib
14:25<Sebby>deb-src etch/updates main contrib
14:25<Sebby>i allmost finished
14:25<simNIX>or be kicked
14:25<Pitxyoki>Sebby, put the output at and click "send".
14:25<simNIX>not by me
14:25<Sebby>it loks ok
14:25<Pitxyoki>Don't finish it here.
14:25<simNIX>but by policy no pastes here of lots
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14:26<Sebby>my IE is verry slow :(
14:26<simNIX>no reason to spam willing to help people ;0)
14:26<edbian>What are the bash commands that I can use to access things on the net?
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14:26<Pitxyoki>edbian, echo "Hi, I'm from the Internets"
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14:26<edbian>ha ha ha
14:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
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14:28<simNIX>Sebby, as you already pasted it here ill for this time look at the spam line and agree looks ok (if apt and modified on posible) brake in
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14:28<Sebby>i tryed as root nano /etc/sources.list and i got segfault
14:28<Sebby>rds:/# nano /etc/apt/sources.list
14:28<Sebby>Segmentation fault
14:29<Pitxyoki>Actually that's quite scary.
14:29<Sebby>is it possible that this line (that i didn`t pasted to do all bad) deb binary/
14:29<Sebby>deb-src source/
14:29<simNIX>normaly I would say ram, but this dont deel normal
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14:30<simNIX>Sebby, you didnt remeber adding that is supect to say the elast
14:30<simNIX>I would backup data, test ram and rebuld fully from known sources
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14:30<Sebby>i don`t know how to
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14:31<Pitxyoki>I would get a dog, because if I would get that on my machine, I would not be smiling at all.
14:31<simNIX>Sebby, I meen copy of any file you want to keep
14:32<simNIX>reintall with cd downloaden from know Debian mirror
14:32<simNIX>and for the memtest ill google you the link
14:32<Pitxyoki>memtest is available from livecds for ubuntu, at least.
14:32<Pitxyoki>Just download an ubuntu image and boot with that.
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14:33<simNIX>good thought a live cd
14:33<Pitxyoki>If you can't install anything on that machine, that's the easiest way.
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14:33<simNIX>then you have sure yuo have a clean booted enviroment to explore whats up
14:33<simNIX>and if that also fails hardwarde is 1st suspect
14:34<simNIX>how long ago did you install this box Sebby
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14:35<Sebby>i don`t remember
14:36<Sebby>but long long time
14:36<simNIX>but you did yourself ?
14:36<Sebby>and i didn`t installed
14:36<Sebby>is a image proveded by colinux team
14:36<simNIX>I dont know colinux
14:36<hai>I'm sorry
14:36<Sebby>colinux is a virtual machine
14:37<hai>i don't remember
14:37<Sebby>i installed other distros in the past on real machines
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14:37<Pitxyoki>Wait a second...
14:37<Pitxyoki>Isn't colinux a way to run linux applications on windows?
14:37<Slurb>new kernel need new modules?
14:37<Sebby>it is
14:38<simNIX>so on your coloacated virtualserver you loaded a image suplied by the virtual server suplying colocation company ?
14:38<Pitxyoki>*Ok, then my support session ends here*
14:38<Pitxyoki>I have no idea how that thing works.
14:38<simNIX>same here - this dont feel Debian
14:38<Pitxyoki>simNIX, check out this ->
14:38<Slurb>me either
14:38<Sebby>it runs on my personal PC
14:38<Pitxyoki>It's not a *normal* virtual server.
14:38<Pitxyoki>It isn't a complete and isolated virtual machine.
14:39<Slurb>i would say the kernel probably got updated so the colinux modules arent working any longer
14:39<Slurb>i have no idea though
14:39<Sebby>Linux #1 PREEMPT Sat May 24 22:27:30 UTC 2008 i686
14:39<simNIX>Slurb, this may sound weird ...
14:40<simNIX>... I asume not intentionaly you wasted our time
14:40<simNIX>since this is a channel devoted to only Debian
14:40<simNIX>and that is not what yuo are running
14:40<Pitxyoki>Why don't you try asking who provided you that image?
14:40<simNIX>I dont meen it as harsh as I say it
14:40<Sebby>is on colinux oficial website
14:40<Slurb>what do you mean
14:40<Slurb>i have debian
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14:41<Sebby>it looks like a normal linux
14:41<Pitxyoki>I suppose that was directed at Sebby.
14:41<simNIX>o many times sorrrryyyyyyyyyyyyy
14:41<simNIX>bad mixup
14:41<Slurb>simNIX: i run debian sid with a homemade kernel
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14:42<simNIX>I realy ment Sebby
14:42<edbian>Is there a way to input data to a simple form via script?
14:42<Slurb>not a debian support issue
14:42<edbian>(form on a website)
14:42<Slurb>its a colinux support issue
14:42<c36pop>HI could anybody help please ;; i ve installed myself in a ne country and the only internet access is by 3g+ usb key ; since yesterday i 'm trying to uĝrade my debian (1.2 gig) but for all packages bigger than 20 Mb , the behavior is the same , it is downloaded at 100% and then it says err: connection timeout ; i tried with apt-get , aptitude , and synaptic
14:43<simNIX>sorry again Slurb again for mixing the names
14:43<c36pop>there isi think some problem with some finishing ftp negociation
14:43<Slurb>its ok
14:43<Sebby>annyway 10x 4 your time guys
14:43<Sebby>bye bye
14:43<raymonp>i want to upgrade my kernel to a newer than 2.6.26
14:43<raymonp>any easy ways of doing so in deb?
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14:43<Slurb>raymonp: yes
14:43<simNIX>Sebby, googdluck on yor quest
14:44<dr|z3d>raymonp: What version you running?
14:44<craigevil>raymonp: use backports if your on stable
14:44<simNIX>we realy wanna help
14:44<Slurb>why do you want a custom kernel though
14:44<simNIX>but we only know Debian
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14:44<raymonp>im running 2.6.26
14:44<raymonp>so I just add the backports, and apt-update apt-upgrade?
14:45<Slurb>raymonp: why do you want a newer kernel?
14:45<dr|z3d>raymonp: I meant version of Debian..
14:45<raymonp>ah, lenny
14:45<c36pop>raymonp : you can aso compile it with make-kpkg ir is not so complicated
14:45<raymonp>I want to upgrade because of wireless issues
14:46<raymonp>and use the newest compat drivers
14:46<adb>raymonp: 32 bit ?
14:46<Slurb>make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version -custom
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14:47<Pitxyoki>raymonp, what module do you use?
14:47<raymonp>wireless module? iwl4965
14:47<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
14:47<Slurb>there is a great how-to here
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14:48<raymonp>the wireless is working, but since I want more functionality, I want the edge compat drivers.
14:48<raymonp>Slurb, thanks.. howtoforge rocks
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14:48<Slurb>just d/l the newer drivers and compile them
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14:48<SQlvpapir>planet debian is down :O
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14:48<raymonp>when downloading the newest compat drivers, it fails compiling because I have an old kernel..
14:49<raymonp>So I want to upgrade to 27 atleast.
14:49<junkeR>Hello Everyone
14:49<gsimmons>raymonp: lenny-backports has backported 2.6.29 images available; /msg dpkg bpo
14:49<Slurb>i c
14:50<adb>raymonp: uname -r ?
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14:53<raymonp>gsimmons, linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 would do the trick?
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14:54<raymonp>and do I need the headers?
14:54<gsimmons>raymonp: Yes and yes.
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14:55<raymonp>thanks.. appreciate it
14:55<adb>and linux-modules-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 , maybe
14:56<Slurb>id get the low-latency one
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14:56<raymonp>linux-headers-2.6.29-bpo.2-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but it is not installable
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14:57<Slurb>apt is dumb
14:57<famelix>hi, good afternoon, sons
14:57<Slurb>add kbuild first
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14:57<raymonp>in progress.
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14:58<raymonp>installed kbuild but still no go.
14:59<adb>installed kernel + headers ?
15:00<Slurb>the headers wont install
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15:01<raymonp>correct.. it fails on headers..
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15:01<raymonp>acting up on the kbuild package
15:01<raymonp>seems its missing, and the normal kbuild won`t cut it.
15:01<Slurb>is kbuild the correct version
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15:02<raymonp>3.3.8b ?
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15:03<Slurb>it has to be Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but it is not installable
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15:05<raymonp>found this :
15:05<raymonp>guess I can compile and install it manually
15:06<Slurb>yeah or you could just compile your own kernel
15:06<Slurb>takes an hour or 2
15:06<Slurb>on a fast machine
15:06<SQlvpapir>there is always unstable.. building kbuild manually is very simple and fast
15:06<raymonp>I`ll see how it goes with the source kbuild.
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15:07<adb>raymonp: use
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15:07<adb> linux-kbuild-2.6.29_2.6.29-1_i386.deb
15:07<Slurb>thats easy
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15:08<raymonp>looks easy enough
15:08<Slurb>the .deb i mean
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15:09<Slurb>you can run into problems with kernel compilation if you try to mess with what you dont know
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15:09<raymonp>my thoughts exactly..
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15:10<raymonp>that did it. downloading the kernel + headers now.
15:10<Slurb>i think its easy though after compiling about 7
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15:10<raymonp>hehe, I`ll have a go on a lab computer before I wreck my workstation :)
15:10<raymonp>or perhaps a virtual instance
15:11<diederik>won't the (small) version difference cause problems: kbuild 29-1 vs image/headers 29-2?
15:11<Slurb>i find it easy to wreck an time /var was giving me i deleted it...that was the wrong answer
15:12<Slurb>diederik: yes i think so...but maybe not if hes lucky
15:13<adb>diederik: not here
15:13<adb>here== in this case
15:13<raymonp>luckily it should be possible to boot the old kernel, and build kbuild from source if things go wrong.
15:14<diederik>ok, thanks
15:14<raymonp><3 grub
15:14<Slurb>grub 2 is prettier
15:14<raymonp>haven`t tried it.
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15:16<Slurb>its available in lenny i think
15:16<raymonp>googled it.. just enables a background image??
15:17<Slurb>thats about it
15:17<raymonp>i did that on grub1 once.
15:17<Slurb>and a better font
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15:18<craigevil>grub legacy can have a background image and grub2 is a pita to set up theres probably a good reason why it isn't used by the debian installer
15:18<raymonp>im happy with grub as it is..
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15:19<raymonp>compiz is enough eyecandy :)
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15:33<raymonp>rebooting the new kernel now..
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15:37<zaltekk>is there a free implementation of the iwlagn driver that i can install for lenny? maybe one that is in testing or current?
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15:37<raymonp>new kernel works like a charm
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15:38<adb>and the compilation ?
15:38<raymonp>working on it right now
15:39<raymonp>compat compilation seems to work perfectly.
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15:39<zaltekk>locklace: will that use the non-free driver?
15:40<raymonp>very nice.. next step, crack my AP :)
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15:41<raymonp>Slurb, new kernel worked. And I just compiled the compat drivers successfully. Thanks a bunch..
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15:42<Slurb>woulda been back sooner but my sis came by to pick up the kids
15:42<Slurb>her kids
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15:46<Slurb>nike keeps dcc sending me
15:46<adb>!ops nike keeps dcc
15:46<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: nike keeps dcc
15:46<nike>Slurb: Do you run KVIrc?
15:46<nike>I'm not doing it myself.
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15:46<nike>It's our clients autonegotiating icon transfers.
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15:47<nike>Assuming you riun KVIrc
15:47<nike>If not, then I've no idea.
15:47<Slurb>oh i c
15:47<Myon>err, autowhat?
15:47<Slurb>thats what i thought at the beginning
15:47<Slurb>but then it retried
15:47<Slurb>his avatar
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15:48<Slurb>it doesnt seem to be working
15:48<Myon>well, you'll figure *shrugs*
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15:48<weasel>adb: and how is this a reason to spam 20 people?
15:48<Slurb>i have kvirc and so does he so its trying to autosend his avatar so it will show in mine
15:49<Slurb>i dont do it
15:49<Slurb>of course i havent set my avatar
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15:51*bremner is happy to know he doesn't need to try KVirc
15:52<wooj>use irssi.
15:53<wooj>or xchat
15:53<Slurb>kvirc is better
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15:54<raymonp>im using xchat.. works fine..
15:55<cheeseboy>how do i get special characters to show up correctly?
15:55<cheeseboy>like u with line over it
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15:57<bremner>cheeseboy: show up where?
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15:57<cheeseboy>bremner in terminal
15:58<bremner>cheeseboy: which terminal? The generic answer is set a good font.
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15:58<cheeseboy>bremner thee terminal..
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15:58<bremner>cheeseboy: deja vu sans mono has decent unicode support
15:58<cheeseboy>i have no X
15:58<cheeseboy>just terminal
15:58<bremner>ahh, ok. I see. Most people call that the console
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15:59<bremner>unless you have a VT420
15:59<bremner>(which are great serial terminals IMHO)
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16:01<bremner>cheeseboy: maybe install console-terminus? not sure.
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16:01<cheeseboy>also how i get ftp server to display em properly?
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16:06<gass>hey there
16:07<bremner>cheeseboy: err, ftp servers don't display things. What do you mean?
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16:08<gass>i have some problems with my sata disk. , it freezes my systemn
16:08<gass>some sites report bad cabling, other low current
16:09<gass>i only have 1 sata disk and 1 ide cd-rom
16:09<gass>maybe heating problems?
16:09<gass>some say they only have problems after 2.6.24
16:09<gass>i am not having these problems with windows, on the same machine, same disk
16:10<gass>but i am experiencying this on other identical machines
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16:14<locklace>gass: what manufacturer and model is the drive
16:14<gass>locklace, samsung
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16:17<marth>hi all, I have debian stable and use firefox 3, but I can't play any movies properly, it shows no movies and crashes a lot
16:18<marth>I have to use Ctrl-I to look for the embedded media and paste those into gmplayer to see movies
16:18<marth>is there a good way to get firefox to play all movies? :(
16:19<locklace>gass: what kernel version?
16:19<gass>locklace, Linux piqueno 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu May 28 15:39:35 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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16:21<locklace>gass: ok. can you try with the .30 kernel package from sid?
16:21<gass>yes, i can, but not now
16:21<gass>i am in an online meeting
16:22<gass>locklace, if you search for the log errors you find some other people experiencying these issues
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16:31<simNIX>marth, I have no problems with firefox + flash-plugin-nonfree +mozilla-plugin-vlc
16:31<craigevil>marth: mplayer,w32codecs, ffmpeg and gecko-mediaplayer along with flash or mozilla-plugin-vlc if you like vlc
16:32<marth>does the first link under the green "AUDIO" column on work for you guys?
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16:43<marth>I guess you can't play that stream either :(
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16:48<sleibt>Hi. Many apps try to resolve names with an A & an AAAA request. My home gateway responds to AAAA quickly with "not implemented", and after network latencies to the A with IP addresses, but apps don't seem to wait for that second answer. Can AAAA requests be prevented?
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16:55<cheeseboy>i think i broke adduser
16:55<cheeseboy>it doesnt say anything
16:56<blackd_>hi, somebody know about debian lenny if wpa-supplicant be have problems to up on boot?
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17:01<melvin>I have to manually set the dns servers in order to get a connection but every few minutes debian seems to reset them.......
17:01<melvin>does anyone kno why this is happening and how to fix it???
17:02<fuxje>try to find information about the resolvconf package
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17:03<Nemoder>should be able to add the servers you want to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
17:03<bremner>blackd_: did you check ?
17:04<blackd_>not yet, i get good results running the wpa-supplicant as root
17:05<blackd_>but not on boot
17:05<blackd_>thanks, i will see the bug list
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17:05<bremner>blackd_: you are trying to run from /etc/network/interfaces?
17:05<blackd_>but is not running
17:06<bremner>hmm. what happens if you run ifup?
17:06<bremner>ifup wlan0 I suppose
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17:06<Slurb>i had wlan0 up on boot with wpasupplican
17:07<Slurb>you have to add the driver line wext to /etc/network/interfaces
17:08<Slurb>if i remember right
17:08<Slurb>its been a long time
17:08<Slurb>google "wext wpasupplicant /etc/network/interfaces"
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17:09<bremner>Slurb works for me without on ath5k
17:10<Slurb>you must not have wpa/psk security enabled on your router
17:11<bremner>at least ifup works. here is a sanitized version of my interfaces file
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17:12<bremner>I forgot to re-add wlan0 to the auto line, that is another thing to check
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17:12<Slurb>auto wlan0
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17:14<Slurb>wext driver is used by default now
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17:23<slipshot>i tried to upgrade from lenny to testing and now i got more broken packages than fed-ex
17:23<slipshot>can anyone help me?
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17:25<ml|>dpkg: tell slipshot about lenny->squeeze
17:25<ml|>did you do the above?
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17:27<slipshot>these are the errors i get^^
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18:03<christoph>I'm running phpmyadmin from debian lenny and now get a #1045 - Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
18:03<christoph>the config worked since X-mass
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18:03<christoph>the only thing I could think of that could make the whole thing fail is /me reloading mysql today
18:04<christoph>so it could be any mysql config change since quite some time that killed phpmyadmin
18:04<christoph>can anybody direct me to some location to look at
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18:21<kaveh>hi all
18:21<kaveh>i just upgraded debian
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18:22<kaveh>my X11 cant be started
18:22<simNIX>did you check for any specific error in x log ?
18:23<kaveh>i am not on stable version
18:23<kaveh>simNIX: yes no screen found
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18:23<kaveh>simNIX: it's a laptop
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18:23<simNIX>do you have backup of previous xorg.conf ?
18:24<simNIX>a working one I meen
18:24<kaveh>simNIX: no i dont think so
18:24<kapil>kaveh: you upgraded from stable to testing/unstable?
18:24<slipshot>does anyone have a clue what libatla3gf-sse2 is?
18:25<kaveh>kapil: no
18:25<slipshot>i JUST wen through that and the lib was the problem
18:26<kaveh>kapil: it is unstable now
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18:28<adb>libatlas3gf-sse2 - Automatically Tuned Linear Algebra Software,SSE2 shared
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18:29<simNIX>kaveh, besides (wrong) way to upgrade or broken testing (with both I no experience) I would start checking driver for vidocard is still installed
18:29*kapil is currently sticking with lenny for "real" work.
18:29<simNIX>me 2
18:30<slipshot>well wen i upgraded from stable to testing that libatlas3gf-sse2 didnt agree with my system at all
18:30<kaveh>how can i copy my files to other partition which is windows vista
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18:30<simNIX>and when i try later ones I go for fresh install - but thats more rant then fix sorry ..
18:30<kaveh>simNIX: can i get back tp lrenny
18:30<simNIX>you meen without doing a fresh Lenny install ?
18:31<kaveh>simNIX: yes
18:31<simNIX>my gut would say no, but again no experience with that so I hope someone else can answer that bit
18:31<simNIX>I would say if yuo got it broken now
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18:32<simNIX>downgrading would stil be broken - but that uninformed assuming on my end
18:32<kaveh>simNIX: can i copy some files to windows vista prtition?
18:32<simNIX>I think yes
18:32<simNIX>I copy to / from usb drive with ntfs at times
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18:32<simNIX>so normal partiton should be ok also
18:33<abrotman>kaveh: maybe you should look at your Xorg.0.log and see what the error is first
18:33<simNIX>does smesg see the drive kaveh ?
18:33<kaveh>abrotman: no screen found
18:33<abrotman>there's another error somewhere els
18:33<abrotman>what kind of video card is it ?
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18:35<abrotman>self compiled kernel? how did you install the nvidia drivers?
18:36<kaveh>abrotman: i dont know when it was fresh install it was woking
18:36<abrotman>which nvidia card?
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18:37<kaveh>let me check
18:37<kaveh>abrotman: gefore 8200
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18:38<abrotman>are you using the nvidia binary or the nv driver?
18:38<kaveh>abrotman: pci-e geforce 8200
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18:38<kaveh>abrotman: i do
18:38<dave_>I tried to get on ubuntu server but it said I had the wrong password
18:38<kaveh>abrotman: i am not sure
18:38<abrotman>dave_: ask #ubuntu on
18:38<abrotman>kaveh: check your X log
18:39<simNIX>kaveh, if you decite to copy files to a ntfs partiton just look in dmesg how the drive is detected and with for instance cfdisk /dev/thatonefromdmesg you can have a peek as which number the partions gets seen - then just mout that somewheren - one advice; ntfs dont know rights like we do so best IMHO would be to tar gz/bz2 the files before you copy them over - that way rights and ownerships are preserverd
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18:39<dave_>Can someone tell me what debian is?
18:40<simNIX>dave_, are you familiar with what Linux is ?
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18:40<simNIX>a kernel
18:40<simNIX>al around the world
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18:40<kaveh>abrotman: look for what there
18:40<simNIX>anyone can decite to take that kernel - and package any programs to it however they want
18:40<dave_>you mean like a base root of the software?
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18:41<simNIX>Debian is the name of a group of devoted people that made one suck package simply put
18:41<simNIX>and a realy stable one
18:41<dave_>ok I have ubuntu 9.04 that is debian?
18:41<simNIX>no dave; Linux kernel is more like if that helps
18:42<dave_>sorry I am confused
18:42<simNIX>the layer that makes talking to / from progrmas / hradware posible
18:42<simNIX>to from network / disk
18:42<simNIX>then one step back
18:42<simNIX>what do you currently use ?
18:43<dave_>oh like a language/driver
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18:43<dpkg>debian is, like, See
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18:43<simNIX>what os doe you use now dave_ ?
18:44<dave_>I use Ubuntu 9.04
18:44<valdyn>dave_: debian is like ubuntu, both are linux kernel + software
18:44<simNIX>ten explanatino is easyer
18:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:44<simNIX>Debian is mother Ubuntu in some way
18:44<sney>!based on debian
18:44<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:44<simNIX>but not related - )
18:45<sney>ubuntu is debian's bastard child that it didn't know about until the child was already an adult
18:46<dave_>So then is Debian a OS?
18:46<dave_>Is it good?
18:46<adb>dave_: stop troll !
18:46<simNIX>IMHO best Linux but Im bias
18:46<dave_>I am sincerely asking
18:46<adb>dave_: stop troll !
18:46<simNIX>yup but its not the place
18:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
18:47<simNIX>this room is dedicated to Debian support
18:47<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
18:47<simNIX>try #Linux if you want to discuss other Linux'es
18:47<dave_>ok I will leave but adb doesn't have to be so rude
18:48<simNIX>no need to leave and its not rude to point to you you are being (unknowingly) rude becouse of policy channel othing but Debian here pls - )
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18:54<kaveh>abrotman: i see nv in xorg log
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18:54<abrotman>kaveh: can you paste the X log to a pastebin ?
18:54<kaveh>abrotman: how can i do that with terminal?
18:55<dpkg>Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe>
18:55<abrotman>!paste2pastebin pipe
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19:00<christoph>anyone an idea if phpmyadmin in stable is still vulnerable to ?
19:02<abrotman>christoph: you could check the changelog on the package
19:02<christoph>abrotman, which indicates it's vulnerable
19:03<abrotman>because you haven't seen a changelog entry for it ?
19:03<christoph>last upload to the stable version was dec 2008whiel the CVE is 03-2009 and the version is marked affectd
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19:03<christoph>CVE says 2.11 < 2.11.8.something is vulnerable
19:03<christoph>stable has 2.11.8
19:03<abrotman>christoph: that's irrelevant ..
19:04<abrotman>the version number means pretty much nothing .. they backport patches all the time
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19:04<abrotman>that's why i said to look at the changelog
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19:04<christoph> says nothing relevant as far as I can tell
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19:05<christoph>abrotman, where do you guess from DSA 1723 and CVE-2009-1151 are related
19:06<christoph>abrotman, the DSA points to a different CVE #
19:06<abrotman>christoph: i didn't .. i showed you so that you could look ..
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19:06<kaveh> abrotman
19:07<abrotman>christoph: i don't see a bug in the BTS about it either
19:07<abrotman>!tracker of doom
19:07<dpkg>from memory, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at or read or
19:08<abrotman>christoph: .. only phpmyadmin i see in the ToD
19:08<christoph>abrotman, well the maintainer has uploaded a fixed version to unstable
19:08<kaveh>abrotman: did u see?
19:08<abrotman>yes .. i'm looking
19:08<christoph>abrotman, ah thanks for the last link
19:09<abrotman>christoph: not sure if 1150 and 1151 are related .. but ti's the only one i see
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19:09<abrotman>kaveh: i'm guessing you'll have to use the nvidia binary driver, but i don't know much about it
19:09<christoph>abrotman, well there's too
19:10<kaveh>abrotman: i checked nvidia i did not install any
19:10<abrotman>christoph: then yes, says it's vulnerable
19:10<christoph>abrotman, and according to the not it's still vulnerable because in default install you are not vulnerable
19:10<kaveh>abrotman: aptitude search nvidia shows all "p"
19:10<christoph>shit so it's me failing @ configuring the debain way
19:11<abrotman>kaveh: i don't know much about hte nvidia binary drivers
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19:12<kaveh>oh thanks
19:12<kaveh>i try something els
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19:12<Zviper>someone tell me how to read this?
19:12<Zviper> total used free shared buffers cached
19:12<Zviper>Mem: 8093 7839 253 0 36 7259
19:12<Zviper>-/+ buffers/cache: 544 7549
19:12<Zviper>Swap: 510 0 510
19:13<Bongolian>Got a question to ask if I may. Recently installed Debian Squeeze Xfce. So far everything is working great. However there's one problem: If I reboot the computer or log off I lose the display settings (set to 1280-1024 @ 67Hz) and I have to manually set it again.
19:13<Bongolian>By no means a deal-breaker but perhaps it requires a manual entry setting of some sort?
19:13<abrotman>Zviper: read what about it ?
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19:20<Zviper>i can't really tell what it means
19:20<Zviper>for example it says free 253
19:20<Zviper>that doesn't mean only 253mb is free...does it?
19:21<valdyn>Zviper: it does
19:21<valdyn>Zviper: it also sais 7549 free
19:21<valdyn>Zviper: both is true in each context
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19:21<abrotman>!free ram
19:21<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
19:22<Zviper>ahhh thank you for clearing that up
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19:23<Zviper>is there a way to view core activity for your processor?
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19:23<Zviper>like individual cores, i know about top
19:23<adb> a microscope ?
19:23<valdyn>Zviper: hit the 1 key in top
19:23<Zviper>ahhh thank you!
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19:25<xd>Hi. Is it possible to run mIRC in Debian Etch without having to use wine?
19:25<Ganneff>no. use a working irc client. :)
19:26<Zviper>what does the id column mean?
19:26<abrotman>xd: why would you want to?
19:26<Zviper>100.0%id, <--eg.
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19:27<xd>Well, I'd like to know if there is any hack-around for that because I really appreciate Khaleds IRC client, very good!
19:27<Zviper>how about wa, ?
19:27<xd>I don't like X-Chat, irssi etc... I'm too used to mIRC.
19:27<abrotman>man top .. i believe it tells you
19:28<abrotman>xd: then you'll have to be stuck with wine and a crappy irc client .. have fun
19:28<xd>abrotman, there most be another soloution than using wine
19:29<Ganneff>xd: yes, using a real irc client. if you want mirc you are stuck to crap.
19:29<abrotman>xd: yes, use a real irc client ..
19:29<Ganneff>and thats not really a topic for this chan
19:29<Bongolian>Cedega but I believe that's be commercial?
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19:29<dpkg>hmm... debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot
19:30<xd>Ganneff, amazlingly enough I don't care about your opinion about mIRC, save it to someone else. I like mIRC and will continue using mIRC no matter what anyone tell me. I like it.
19:30<xd>mIRC is a good and stable IRC-client, it just happens to be propietary software.
19:30<abrotman>then use mirc and wine .. have fun
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19:31<Ganneff>it still is no topic for this chan
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19:31<xd>abrotman, stop repeating yourself. You isn't even giving me an answer to my question.
19:31<valdyn>xd: there is no other solution
19:31<abrotman>xd: you've been told what to do. You want mIRC, it's a windows app
19:31<josee>use bitchx
19:32<josee>dont be a fag
19:32<abrotman>don't use bitchx .. it's dead
19:32<Zviper>xd: you have to understand there is no other way of running mIRC without wine under linux.
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19:32<Zviper>or any other windows emulator
19:32<xd>I don't like console based irc-clients. Man, it's 2009, I want a GUI to my apps.
19:32<shudder>anyone successfully got flash running with iceweasel under lenny?
19:32<abrotman>which flash?
19:33<xd>Yeah, suggest another emulator for me. I hate Wine.
19:33<abrotman>how about use a real irc client
19:33<Zviper>shudder, i have before
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19:33<xd>Can you recommend me a good emulator?
19:33<craigevil>so try kvirc, konversation, chatzilla in firefox or even opera's irc
19:33<shudder>well, flash 10, gnash, and swfdec
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19:33<josee>no i meant xchat
19:33<shudder>all have some problem or another
19:33<josee>dont use linux if u wanna emulate ur favorite applications
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19:33<josee>use windows
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19:34<josee>use xchat
19:34<josee>thats the one
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19:34<Bongolian>Guess it didn't like what it was told it had to do
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19:35<lk>he has to learn
19:36<Bongolian>Indeed. I myself prefer native apps anyway ... better suited for the task
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19:41<shudder>is sun-java6 the latest on debian? any way i could get a more updated version?
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19:47<craigevil>shudder: sun-java6-plugin Installed: 6-14-1 is the latest Sun Java
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19:50<craigevil>shudder: for your flash issue try running update-alternatives --config as root and choosing Adobe's flash
19:50<shudder>java -version
19:50<shudder>java version "1.6.0_12"
19:50<shudder>Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_12-b04)
19:50<shudder>Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 11.2-b01, mixed mode, sharing)
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19:51<shudder>There is only 1 program which provides
19:51<shudder>(/usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/ Nothing to configure.
19:51<craigevil>flashplayer-mozilla is dmm package that install adobe flash it should work just fine, does here
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19:52<prahal>[OT] how one could get the path to the file gdb shows in backtrace when a file has its symbols loaded (ie in this case it shows the source file name ... though in my case there are muliple with the same name though different pathes)
19:53<shudder>yeah. not sure what it could be then. even tried the latest trunk. no go
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20:08<cesurasean>how do I upgrade flash player on Lenny?
20:08<cesurasean>doesn't seem like there is an update out yet, and some flash is saying I need to install it.
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20:09<cesurasean>was working fine when I first installed lenny
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20:09<lk>try downloading the tar ball from and installit as root
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20:10<IxITheDragonIxI>Hey, anybody wanna try and help me? Thanks.
20:10<IxITheDragonIxI>Just... small problem.
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20:11<abrotman>ask your question
20:11<craigevil>cesurasean: either install flashplugin-nonfree from backports or flashplayer-mozilla from
20:11<lk>that can help to :P
20:11<IxITheDragonIxI>I just installed Debian from a CD I burned an ISO onto, went through the installation fine, and then I boot in and there's no desktop environment.
20:11<IxITheDragonIxI>Just white text on a black background.
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20:12<simNIX>did you select nistal desktop during install ?
20:12<IxITheDragonIxI>It just said "Standard Installation"
20:12<simNIX>then no worries it can be added still
20:13<IxITheDragonIxI>Alright, how?
20:13<simNIX>just login as the user you created during install
20:13<simNIX>would you like gnome or another pref ?
20:13<simNIX>aptitude install gnome gdm
20:14<IxITheDragonIxI>Alright, I'll return with the results.
20:14<prahal>yup or run as root : "tasksel"
20:14<IxITheDragonIxI>Thanks guys :)
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20:14<prahal>and choose "desktop"
20:14<simNIX>o yes
20:15<ok>hey ganeff, how many times did your parents sexually abuse you in your child hood? how many times did your dad put his cock in your ass? maybe you got retarded by all the sperm you dad forced you to swallow everyday? you are a retarded jew and no one likes you. linux sucks and linus torvalds is a faggot, so are you. Linux/BSD/etc are for faggots who wish they were smart like us real men. real men code their own operating system from scratch, but
20:15<ok>you idiots are probably too retarded for that. all you linux fagboys sucks and are retarded. andlet us not mention the Linux Kernel Developers. I'd really get suprised if ANY Linux developer has an IQ above 65. very suprised. anyway, you're not an linux developer, you're are just yet another faggot who think you're so cool because you've a +O in a faggot #channel on a shitty IRC network. You are so mature that you banned a guy just because he tol
20:15<simNIX>and also aptitude install xorg
20:15<ok>d you that your opinion wasn't interesting - how pathethic and immature isn't that? You are nothing but a dickloving, sexually abused faggot.
20:15<ok>Get a fucking life. Faggot.
20:15<ok>SOmeone should kill this faggot. Now.
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20:18<bremner>boy, somebody took having their package rejected by ftpmaster pretty personally.
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20:20<simNIX>or is not so confertable with its own sexual pref ;0)
20:20<prahal>bremner, which package ?
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20:21<Black_Phantom>Hello, this is the first time I try debian out, I just installed the DVD but it couldnt detect my wlan adapter :S I have no idea where to find the appropriate drivers
20:22<bremner>prahal: was joke. nevermind.
20:22<simNIX>Black_Phantom, I dont have wireless knowledge but I can recomend you 1st find out what wireles chip you have that help others that know a lot as how to proceed ..
20:22<prahal>I bet he is not talking about this guy who s point was that real man do build their own operating system (not only kernel ... everything from bios probably hardware , and desktop system, postgres ... etc ... woot . I hope I would be this real man :) living centuries doing nothing but hacking .... and ending up with a system that is only working on centuries old computers
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20:24<dpkg>Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some non-free firmware is available via Debian packages. See also and <installer firmware>.
20:25<adb>Black_Phantom: ^^
20:25<Black_Phantom>simNIX I'm trying to type ' sudo lshw ; to find out but it's telling me (account name) is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
20:26<Black_Phantom>after typing the pass
20:26<Black_Phantom>am 100% its correct
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20:26<simNIX>are you loged in as the user you created at install ?
20:27<prahal>Black_Phantom, sudo is not enable by default on debian . use "su" then run your command until you configured it
20:28<Black_Phantom>prahal, I entered su and typed the password, it works, but when I type 'lshw' it says command not found
20:28<Black_Phantom>What's that command in which it lists your hardware ?
20:29<prahal>it is the correct one though not installed by default too . aptitude install lshw (and lshw-gtk if you want the gui)
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20:31<simNIX>dmesg / lspci ?
20:31<simNIX>lshw - ill look it up
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20:32<IxITheDragonIxI>Sadly, neither solution worked.
20:32<simNIX>that was the missing desktop enviroment ?
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20:33<prahal>IxITheDragonIxI, "su" then /etc/init.d/gdm start
20:33<IxITheDragonIxI>Tasksel didn't have it, and aptitude install gnome gdm said there was no matching package.
20:33<simNIX>you were a bit to fast on exit
20:33<simNIX>we typed more
20:33<everton>pls i need some help
20:33<prahal>ah ok nevermind
20:33<everton>could you hel me?
20:33<prahal>everton, well just ask
20:33<simNIX>IxITheDragonIxI, pls pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
20:34<IxITheDragonIxI>How so?
20:34<abrotman>everton: you need to ask your question
20:34<adb>IxITheDragonIxI: aptitude install gnome-core gdm
20:34<simNIX>since that defines where to grab in this case gnome and what it needs
20:34<nono>gdm start
20:34<prahal>he already tried
20:34<Black_Phantom>prahal I installed lshw-gtk but it wouldnt show the Wireless Lan Adapter
20:34<everton>im tryin to install samba in virtual box() i have debian 5.0 installed on it) but it says that it cannot find the package
20:34<everton>could you help me?
20:35<simNIX>IxITheDragonIxI, if sources.lit isnt setup correct you cant easely add software
20:35<prahal>Black_Phantom, is it connected as in kill switch is off ?
20:35<IxITheDragonIxI>So what am I doing again>
20:35<simNIX>cat /etc/apt/sources.list
20:35<prahal>any computer like eeepc do a real poweroff of the device when the killswitch is off
20:35<simNIX>and dont paste output in room pls
20:35<simNIX>use a pastebin webtool
20:36<IxITheDragonIxI>Alright, how do I copy it?
20:36<Black_Phantom>prahal the switch is on of the wireless
20:36<abrotman>everton: put your sources.list in a pastebin
20:36<prahal>this is really weird ... lshw shows every device even not managed ones ...
20:36<simNIX>IxITheDragonIxI, once setup this file copy and paste is doable from console
20:37<IxITheDragonIxI>Oh, alright
20:37<prahal>is it on in the bios ?
20:37<simNIX>but for now you have to type it over I think
20:37<IxITheDragonIxI>Brb, then
20:37<Black_Phantom>prahal note that am using the GUI
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20:37<prahal>same the gui is just a wrapper to be nicer
20:37<everton>should i add an adress or something like that?
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20:38<everton>in the source.list ?
20:38<simNIX>and for in future once sources.lists is corect setup and you wanted to paste from commandline have a look at !pastewithoutx
20:38<abrotman>put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a
20:40<Black_Phantom>prahal the non GUI one worked here is the info
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20:40<Black_Phantom> description: Wireless interface
20:40<Black_Phantom> product: PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection
20:40<Black_Phantom> vendor: Intel Corporation
20:40<prahal>ouch do not paste "flood"
20:40<Black_Phantom>ops :S
20:40<prahal>otherwise the bot may kick you temporarly
20:40<Black_Phantom>hmm alright
20:41<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
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20:42<Black_Phantom>I typed "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
20:42<everton>i put the adress
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20:42<everton>and it says that the line is bad formed
20:42<everton>something like its wrong
20:42<everton>should i put anything else?
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20:43<simNIX>everton, best start by putting your sources.list in pastebin ...
20:43<nono>Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi"
20:44<everton>what do u mean pastebin? sorry im brazilian
20:44<abrotman>everton: i wanted you to put the file /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin website, like, so that I could see the file
20:44<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:44<simNIX>everton, yes
20:44<simNIX>any pastebin = ok
20:44<prahal>Black_Phantom, afterwards you type "modprobe -r iwlwifi; modprobe iwlwifi"
20:45<Black_Phantom>prahal FATAL: Module iwlwifi not found.
20:46<adb>modprobe iwl3945
20:46<adb>Black_Phantom: ^^
20:47<Black_Phantom>adb I typed it, it didnt show any process
20:47<adb>that's ok
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20:47<Black_Phantom>Now ?
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20:48<adb>module is activate
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20:48<Black_Phantom>brb sorry but its rlly urgent
20:49<prahal>yup though if it was loaded at boot and the firmware was not there one need to "modprobe -r <the_module_name>" beforehand
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20:50<prahal>or maybe not ... :( too far away in time
20:50<prahal>it does not hurt doing it though
20:50<shudder>what's a good browser after firefox?
20:50<shudder>that can handle flash
20:51<abrotman>epiphany? konqueror?
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20:51<prahal>shudder, epiphany ... no firefox extensions but still
20:51<prahal>nono, lol
20:51<prahal>iceweasel is FF
20:51<simNIX>ff can do flash
20:51<adb> epiphany too
20:51<prahal>I don't believe there is a webkit based browser supporting flash except konqueror (not really webkit but its ancestor)
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20:52<abrotman>well, epiphany-webkit perhaps
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20:53<simNIX>if ff werent such a memory hog I'd be fully content
20:53<prahal>yup but what about flash, does it exists for webkit ?
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20:54<everton>nothing happened
20:54<ladoga>why does this happen? "renamed network interface eth0 to eth4"
20:54<everton>i think there s something wrong
20:54<prahal>simNIX, FF 3 is no more a memory hog (though by the way it become a processor hungry process) . You could also give a shot at FF 3.5 beta from (not packaged for debian)
20:55<shudder>prahal: thx
20:56<shudder>cant get flash working on ff so i need an alternative
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20:56<ladoga>depending on the kernel i boot udev renames network interfaces. i need to keep them same
20:56<shudder>tried flashplayer swfdec and gnash. all had issues and would not play video clearly. tried latest trunk. same problem
20:57<ladoga>any ideas where to start looking for solution?
20:57<simNIX>ladoga, you can link mac to eth(what you want) in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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20:57<ladoga>thanks simNIX
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20:58<bremner>prahal: arora supports flash
20:58<simNIX>prahal, with upto a 100 tabs open at times it here adds up soon - I understand from you that since version in Lenny a lot of improvement is made ?.
20:58<bremner>fsvo supports
20:58<prahal>thanks bremner abrotman
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20:59<Fynn>Mr. Joerg (Jörg) Jaspert AKA Ganneff, I'm coming to Fulda, Hessen (36037). Be sure to meet me at the train station! If you don't show up, I will murder you and your entire family. I'll murder you; take my words literally. You picked the wrong person to piss off.
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20:59<moto>hi i need help is this the right place ^
20:59<simNIX>depends on whit what specifc thing you are seeknig help ..
21:00<bremner>!tell moto -about ask
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21:00<nono>is there a matter?
21:01<prahal>Fynn is the same guy as was "ok" . This guy needs be send to hospital ... his brain is fucked up
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21:01<abrotman>anyways ....
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21:02<prahal>ay ok, Fynn ... whoever I believe also have another alias always connected to the channel . Go see me in hell . I ll take care of you
21:02<zaltekk>hello. i just got a new laptop and put debian on it. everything works great except for suspend/resume. it properly detects when the lid is opened and closed, but the screen stays blank when i try to resume the laptop.
21:03<abrotman>prahal: he's gone .. knock it off
21:03<zaltekk>is there anywhere i should look for error logs? if not, what should i do next to attempt and fix this?
21:03<bremner>zaltekk: these things are usually specific to brand and model
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21:03<zaltekk>okay. what can i do to help identify the exact problem?
21:03<bremner>zaltekk: so first step would be to google "my exact laptop" linux suspend
21:06<zaltekk>yep, seems to be specific to the intel chipset and nvidia card
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21:09<prahal>zaltekk, if you have a kernel new enough you could look for its documenation about pm_debug (/sys/power/pm_debug)
21:10<bremner>zaltekk: what video drivers are you using?
21:10<zaltekk>prahal: i found a solution to a very similar problem(although not with debian). i am going to try it.
21:10<zaltekk>bremner: whatever lenny installed on it's own. i haven't installed the binary driver from nvidia
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21:11<Black_Phantom>yes I'm back prahal you there ?
21:11<bremner>zaltekk: ok, that _should_ make it easier
21:11<Slurb>i would get the binary
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21:11<zaltekk>the solution i found says to blacklist the intel_agp kernel module
21:11<prahal>Black_Phantom, yes
21:11<Black_Phantom>prahal the last thing i've done is modprobe iwl3945
21:12<Black_Phantom>I then tried to connect nothing happened same as before
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21:13<prahal>Black_Phantom, you could try modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945; does lshw shows that the device is managed by the driver ?
21:13<adb>Black_Phantom: firmware is ok ?
21:14<Black_Phantom>*-network DISABLED
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21:14<Black_Phantom>That's what it showed in the lshw
21:15<prahal>you can check with dmesg output to see if there are errors loading the iwl3945 (usually firmware missing errors)
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21:15<adb>Black_Phantom: ls /lib/firmware/
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21:16<Black_Phantom>adb I typed that no process happened
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21:16<adb>so install firmware
21:16<Black_Phantom>[ 5550.265932] iwl3945: iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2
21:16<Black_Phantom>[ 5550.265932] iwl3945: Could not read microcode: -2
21:17<Black_Phantom>How ? sorry but this the 1st time I use Debian, and actually new to linux
21:17<adb>needs some as : iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode
21:17<zaltekk>would typing sudo modprobe -r intel_agp have the same effect as adding blacklist intel_agp to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist?(at least for this boot)
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21:18<zaltekk>hmm. it didn't fix anything, then.
21:18<Black_Phantom>So how to install the firmware ?
21:18<adb>!tell Black_Phantom installer firmware
21:18<abrotman>there is an iwlwifi firmware package
21:18<adb>dpkg: tell Black_Phantom installer firmware
21:18<abrotman>adb: you're doing it wrong
21:19<Black_Phantom>abrotman I shall search it in the Package manager ?
21:19<adb>dpkg: tell Black_Phantom about installer firmware
21:19<abrotman>Black_Phantom: you said you already installed the iwlwifi-firmware package and it'snot working ?
21:19<zaltekk>would it be worth installing the binary nvidia drivers to see if that affects the suspend issue?
21:19<Black_Phantom>abrotman: yes I did
21:19<abrotman>adb: if he has a working installation .. how will that help ?
21:20<abrotman>Black_Phantom: which device is it precisely?
21:20<adb>oh, right
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21:20<prahal>zaltekk, it would work if you stop X beforehand
21:20<nono>zaltekk : shutdown or halt
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21:20<Black_Phantom>abrotman: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
21:20<abrotman>Black_Phantom: running lenny?
21:20<Black_Phantom>Is it forbidden or something ?
21:20<Black_Phantom>yes lenny
21:20<zaltekk>prahal: okay. so i need to kill the X server, then modprobe -r intel_agp, and then restart X?
21:21<abrotman>Black_Phantom: so the iwlwifi-firmware installed without issue? but the firmware doesn't work for your device?
21:21<Black_Phantom>abrotman exactly
21:21<prahal>though I have intel_agp and suspend/hibernation works ... yes blacklisting could indirectly fix any issue with graphics driver (even nvidia) because it will disable agp
21:21<zaltekk>hmm. after a reboot it still hasn't fixed anything
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21:22<Black_Phantom>abrotman how to install iwlwifi-firmware ?
21:22<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
21:22<abrotman>the iwlwifi should load the correct driver .. i think
21:23<abrotman>Black_Phantom: you already did install it ?
21:23<zaltekk>iwlagn is working for my intel wifi link 5100
21:23<Black_Phantom>abrotman I typed "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
21:23<abrotman>right ...
21:24<Black_Phantom>then it installed without any troubles
21:24<abrotman>Black_Phantom: lsmod | grep iwl .. how many do you see ?
21:24<prahal>any error ?
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21:25<Black_Phantom>abrotman I typed lsmode some list with lots of stuff showed
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21:25<abrotman>Black_Phantom: "lsmod | grep iwl" .. how many do you see ?
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21:26<Black_Phantom>abrotman iwl3945 78772 0
21:26<abrotman>just one?
21:26<Black_Phantom>I can see 5
21:26<Black_Phantom>can I paste it ?
21:26<abrotman>not here ..
21:27<Black_Phantom>abrotman how ?
21:27<abrotman>oh just type them all in .. slowly
21:27<Black_Phantom>firmware_class 6816 2 pcmcia,iwl3945
21:27<Black_Phantom>mac80211 139712 1 iwl3945
21:28<Black_Phantom>led_class 3908 1 iwl3945
21:28<phorce1>well that's just odd. I don't see anything that's been remounted 'ro'
21:28<phorce1>updatedb: can not open a temporary file for `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db'
21:28<Black_Phantom>cfg80211 21576 2 iwl3945,mac80211
21:28<Black_Phantom>abrotman thats all
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21:30<phorce1>cpu over 90% idle. Can't open other things that want temp files either like IceWeasel
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21:32<abrotman>Black_Phantom: the "modprobe -r iwl3945 && modprobe iwl3945" should do it
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21:32<Black_Phantom>abrotman done, same...
21:33<abrotman>same error ?
21:33<Black_Phantom>no error, no process
21:33<Black_Phantom>Like it stayed idle didnt display something after typing it
21:33<abrotman>does "dmesg" say anything useful ?
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21:34<Black_Phantom>abrotman its saying a lot of stuff about iwl3945 that it could not read microcode: -2
21:34<phorce1>uh oh
21:34<phorce1>[3521276.016977] EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_free_blocks: Freeing blocks not in datazone - block = 4294967295, count = 1
21:34<Black_Phantom>firmware: requesting iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode
21:35<zaltek>okay. so unloading intel_agp didn't work. and i can't find any other suggestions. other people with a similar laptop and a similar problem claim that fixes the issue for them.
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21:35<Black_Phantom>iwl3945: iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode firmware file req failed: Reason -2
21:35<adb>Black_Phantom: has non-free in sources .list ?
21:36<adb>cat /etc/apt/sources.list
21:36<Slurb>zaltekk: try blacklisting it and restarting
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21:37<Black_Phantom>btw when I was installing Debian it gave some note about firmware to install using usb stick or something I ignored it
21:37<adb>paste /etc/apt/sources.list
21:38<phorce1>crap, time for a reboot and fsck of my / drive. I think it's about to fail completely. Time to ghost it to another drive
21:38<abrotman>Black_Phantom: have you tried to reboot ? (i really hate to say that)
21:38<zaltek>i already did that Slurb
21:38<Black_Phantom>Now you mean ?
21:38<zaltek>i added "blacklist intel_agp" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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21:38<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'.
21:38<Slurb>i would try installing the binary driver for your card if its supported
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21:39<Black_Phantom>abrotman you mean now ?
21:39<nono>Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945 and 4965
21:39<zaltek>i'll try the binary driver
21:39<Black_Phantom>Nop, shall I try ?
21:39<Black_Phantom>Shall I reboot*
21:40<zaltek>do i need to download the one from nvidia's website? or is it in the non-free repo?
21:40<Slurb>the nvidia one is a little complex
21:41<Slurb>just do an apt-get install module-assistant then m-a prepare then m-a a-i nvidia
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21:41<Black_Phantom>i will reboot brb
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21:42<phorce1>500G drive down the crapper
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21:44<ml|>phorce1: lost all the data on that drive?
21:45<adb>ml|: to early to say that ..
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21:46<phorce1>ml|: no, using it right now but it's throwing the errors shown above and I can't create new files
21:46<nono>Black_Phantom : nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
21:46<zaltek>the nvidia driver says it can't find ld...
21:46<Black_Phantom>I just rebooted nothing happened
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21:47<ml|>phorce1: try spinrite on that drive
21:47<Slurb>zaltekk: ?
21:47<Black_Phantom>nono then ?
21:47<Slurb>which driver
21:47<phorce1>ml|: this is the second time in a couple of months that it's started throwing errors so I'm no longer comfortable with it
21:48<ml|>under warranty?
21:48<Slurb>where did you get the driver
21:48<zaltek>the nvidia driver from
21:48<nono>section device
21:48<Black_Phantom>nono xorg is for video cards i think
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21:48<Slurb>you cant install it in a wm
21:48<nono>identifier "device0"
21:48<phorce1>ml|: no clue, I have to pull it for the serial
21:48<zaltek>i know
21:48<nono>driver "nvidia"
21:49<Slurb>you must alter the gdm or kdm file then reboot to a console
21:49<ml|>dpkg: tell zaltek about nvidia
21:49<nono>vendorname "NVIDIA Corporation"
21:49<nono>End Section
21:49<Slurb>zaltekk: run apt-get build-dep nvidia
21:49<ml|>phorce1: gl
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21:50<Black_Phantom>help ?
21:51<phorce1>I'm eating dinner right now and procrastinating. Looks like it "did the right thing" and remounted itsel 'ro' when it started throwing errors
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21:51<prahal>Black_Phantom, still the microcode error in dmesg output ?
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21:52<Black_Phantom>prahal yes
21:52<prahal>and you hav installed iwlwifi-firmware and have iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode in /lib/firmware ?
21:53<Black_Phantom>prahal i have installed iwlwifi-firmware but am not sure abt /lib/firmware
21:53<kenneth>it is telling me that i need binutils installed so that i have ld. but why would i not have that in a default installation?
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21:53<adb>Black_Phantom: ls /lib/firmware/
21:54<Black_Phantom>ok i typed it, no process
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21:55<adb>Black_Phantom: cd /lib/firmware/
21:55<adb>and > ls
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21:56<zaltek>Slurb: aptitude build-dep nvidia says it can't find nvidia
21:57<Black_Phantom>adb cd worked, but when i typed ls again same thing no process like its not showing something
21:57<adb>grep free /etc/apt/sources.list
21:57<Black_Phantom>btw before coming here i installed some bunch of drivers from package manager
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21:57<Black_Phantom>does that make any trouble ?
21:57<adb>do no
21:58<Slurb>you're right
21:58<zaltekk>adb: me? non-free is lsited
21:58<adb>no, Black_Phantom
21:59<Black_Phantom>adb ok I typed grep free etc. as you said
21:59<Black_Phantom>no process displayed
21:59<abrotman>Black_Phantom: you don't have any files in /lib/firmware/ ?
21:59<zaltek>Slurb: the problem the script from the nvidia website has is that it can't find ld
21:59<zaltek>aptitude search nvidia finds nothing.
21:59<Black_Phantom>abrotman how to know that ?
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22:00<abrotman>ls /lib/firmware/
22:00<Slurb>zaltekk: aptitude build-dep nvidia-kernel-source
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22:00<Black_Phantom>abrotman no displayed process
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22:00<zaltekk>it can't find nvidia-kernel-source
22:00<abrotman>Black_Phantom: aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi .. what does it say it's going to do ?
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22:01<Slurb>do you have the source repos set up?
22:01<Black_Phantom>first 5 lines all are done then
22:01<Black_Phantom>ouldn't find any package whose name or description matched "firmware-iwlwifi"
22:01<Slurb>try installing module assistant and doing it that way
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22:02<zaltekk>i will in a few hours. ran out of time.
22:02<zaltekk>thanks for the help.
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22:04<adb>Black_Phantom: as said add non-free to sources list
22:04<adb>!non-free sources
22:04<dpkg>somebody said non-free sources was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
22:05<Black_Phantom>i typed edit /etc/apt/sources.list it said some warning then an error that no 'edit' mailcap rules found
22:06<adb>do that as root
22:07<adb>sudo is not activate as default in debian
22:07<Black_Phantom>am already in su i guess i entered the pass b4
22:07<adb>i mean for user nono
22:08<nono>su nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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22:08<Black_Phantom>Unknown id: nano
22:09<adb>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
22:09<Black_Phantom>cool it opene
22:09<Black_Phantom>now |?
22:10<nono>vi /etc/apt/sources.list
22:10<abrotman>he already has it open
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22:10<adb>Black_Phantom: read up bot's 'non-free sources'
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22:14<nono>i'm looking for drupal.conf ... to define the /folder...
22:15<prahal>nono /etc/drupal/<number>/apache.conf
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22:16<Black_Phantom>ok i modified it
22:16<adb>and saved ?
22:17<edbian>I am trying to get the newest version of elisa (now called moovida). On the website I found a tarball. I ran a python script (instead of a make & make install). I no longer want moovida. How can I purge this software from my system?
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22:18<Black_Phantom>how to save ?
22:18<Black_Phantom>i cant find 'save' in file >
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22:18<adb>Ctrl + o
22:18<nono>aptitude remove elisa --purge
22:19<adb> make uninstall
22:19<edbian>adb: ctrl + o ?? Also are you sure about uninstall? it didn't have a make file to begin with (or a configure or a make install)
22:20<adb> ctrl + o , for Black_Phantom
22:20<edbian>adb: Oh ok
22:20<edbian>nono: Are you sure this will undo whatever the hell this strange python script did?
22:21<nono>i'm not sure
22:21<abrotman>nono: invalid command
22:21<chealer>edbian: so you installed from an upstream package?
22:21<edbian>chealer: I downloaded this tarball from the site:
22:22<edbian>see it down there at the bottom? I am aware that it was in the sid repo but I was looking at the page and thought "Eh, the tarball is right here"
22:22<chealer>edbian: if you used third-party software, we don't support it
22:22<Black_Phantom>done modified and saved
22:22<edbian>chealer: :( It's in the sid repos!
22:23<chealer>edbian: that's what I asked... did you use a package distributed by Debian or one distributed directly by
22:23<adb>Black_Phantom: aptitude update
22:23<Black_Phantom>typed aptitude update
22:23<Black_Phantom>done success
22:23<edbian>chealer: I used the tarball but it is the same code that's available in the sid repo isn't it?
22:24<abrotman>Black_Phantom: can you install "firmware-iwlwifi" now ?
22:24<Black_Phantom>yes :)
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22:24<Black_Phantom>done with success
22:24<chealer>edbian: not necessarily. you need to ask support from moovida.
22:25<edbian>thanks anyway!
22:25<adb>Black_Phantom: cd /lib/firmware/
22:25<adb>Black_Phantom: ls /lib/firmware/
22:25<Black_Phantom>iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode
22:25<Black_Phantom>it showed something finally
22:26<adb>great !
22:26<adb>!win Black_Phantom
22:26<dpkg>Congratulations, Black_Phantom! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!!
22:26<Black_Phantom>worked :D
22:26<nono>adb worked
22:26<Black_Phantom>Thanks a lot guys I really appreciate it ^^
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22:27<phorce1>Somebody remind me to use my SMALLEST drives as / when setting up my system. Then look at this and tell me if I'm thinking straight.
22:27<phorce1>So, I reboot. fsck the drive. cp -a all of /home to another drive. rm -f /home. fix fstab to mount the new /home. reboot make sure it works. then ghost what's left to a new 80G drive for /
22:28<phorce1>My / is throwing errors. it's a 500G drive with a /home that's got 317G total on it.
22:28<Black_Phantom>btw I need some help in compiz, is there some kind of a configuration file to download instead of setting it up from zero ?
22:28<dpkg>i heard compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <XGL> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at #compiz on
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22:28<nono>compiz -replace
22:29<adb>no more > compiz -replace ..
22:30<nono>i'm using compiz-fusion-icon
22:30<nono>no matter
22:31<Black_Phantom>Whats the difference between i386 and i686 and why in Fedora's website there is a i686 version to download and in Debian's there is only i386 ?
22:31<abrotman>kristianpaul: #debian-offtopic please
22:31<abrotman>Black_Phantom: not much, ignore it
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22:31<Black_Phantom>Does it have to do with speed ?
22:32<kristianpaul>abrotman: oh sorry i forgot
22:33<phorce1>OK, reboot and pray time
22:33<phorce1>(after I get the last few programs closed
22:34<adb>nono: i installed compiz blablah, i make sure i have the "good" video driver in xorg.conf, i restart my DM , and enter 'compiz' in a terminal , that's all
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22:34<nono>so it's work?
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22:36<nono>fire and rain on screen....
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22:38<chealer>Black_Phantom: i386 is for CPUs that can run code for some Intel 80386. i686 is only for CPUs that can run code for Intel P6, or alternatively, optimized for Intel P6.
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22:42<nono>i'm actually using bluefish with lamp to manage 2 sites
22:42<nono>with no-ip
22:43<nono>i want drupal
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22:52<kesne>I need help
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22:54<kesne>I'm working on an HTML/Javascript/PHP based user interface for my new os (linux based), but how can I get that web-style user interface to run as the linux user interface?
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22:59<xjjk>kesne: if you're keeping X, you can configure X to start a single application
22:59<xjjk>like a full-screen web browser
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22:59<xjjk>kesne: also, check out the KDE kiosk project (I think that's what it's called)
23:00<kesne>more like the ui is the browser
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23:00<paggas>anyone have any idea why many packages are listed as untrusted in aptitude? e.g. python-pygments/testing (1.0-2). i have latest testing versions of debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring installed!
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23:02<xjjk>paggas: I have seen that before... and I fixed it... but I don't recall what I did to fix it
23:02<adb>paggas: reinstall them
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23:02<paggas>adb: they aren't installed :)
23:02<adb>when ?
23:03<adb>oh , nm
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23:03<paggas>xjjk: maybe reinstalling debian-keyring? let me try it
23:04<adb>paggas: [04:58:59] <adb> paggas: reinstall them
23:04<adb>... the keys ...
23:04<paggas>adb: oooh
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23:05<shudder>hey. what's wrong with this sed command?
23:05<shudder>sed -i 's#<img src='/thumb.php?photo=##' 4.txt
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23:06<adb>ask #sed
23:06<shudder>is it the single quote?
23:06<adb>on freenode
23:06<shudder>it's the sing quote huh.
23:08<shudder>hope you aren't me
23:09<shudder>it was the single quot anyway.
23:09<shudder>thx adb
23:09<adb>kesne: ask here
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23:13<paggas>well, i reinstalled all keyring packages, but some packages still show up as untrusted :/
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23:18<adb>try md5sum on this packages
23:19<adb> thous*
23:19<shudder>paggas: what packages?
23:20<cheeseboy>anyone know a how to on setting up email?
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23:24<nono>paggas : etch , lenny ?
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23:26<adb>nono: testing
23:26<nono>oki sorry
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23:27<nono>so it's not bug=409091
23:30<adb> #409091 seems old
23:31<adb>now a day we are ~530000
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23:33<adb>heh ?
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23:46<sylarr>this /etc/rc.local don't run at startup like it should
23:48<shudder>would 'more *.txt >all.txt' pipe the text of all files into all.txt? it does, right?
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23:49<adb>sylarr: paste /etc/rc.local
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23:55<sylarr>adb, I put 'touch /tmp/did.rc.local' there
23:55<sylarr>adb, and ls -l /tmp shows no /tmp/did.rc.local
23:56<sylarr>it seems like I will have to do update-rc.d
23:56<sylarr>why is there links to the init script on different levels?
23:57<sylarr>if you start it, isn't it enough to just choose one level, where it would be started?
23:57<adb>there are different levels of start/stop
23:58<sylarr>adb, what do you mean? if I have a webserver I start some of it on level 2 some of it on level 3 etc?
23:58<adb>as called run levels
23:58<adb>maybe , just verify
23:59<sylarr>adb, like does startup script even get a runlevel argument? /etc/init.d/squid start 3 ?
23:59<adb>read their script/s
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