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---Logopened Mon Jun 22 00:00:03 2009
00:00<sylarr>which script?
00:00<adb>/etc/init.d/squid start ,is a start in user mode
00:01<sylarr>I don't seeit accepting a runlevel arg
00:01<adb>rc.x start/stop kernel mode
00:03<sylarr>rc2.d and rc3.d both have a symlink to /etc/init.d/squid3
00:03<sylarr>and maybe more
00:04<sylarr>it doesn't make sense
00:04<adb>that's means you don't understand it , yet
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00:39<TuxY>hello sney only you is here now?
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00:39<sney`>I have no idea
00:39<sney`>I'm here
00:39<TuxY>are you sorry
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00:40<sney`>but usually people like adb and ml| never go to sleep
00:40<sney`>what's up
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01:12<Steven_M>what's the latest realise version of Lenny?
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01:21<Steven_M>cahoot: any idea when the next realise is due out?
01:22<cahoot>within 1-2 years I'd guess
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01:32<Steven_M>cahoot: I don't mean squeeze, I mean 5.1r2 or something like that?
01:34<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Steven_M -about 5.0.2
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01:47<Steven_M>so lenny 5.2 should come out before the end of the month?
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01:47<ajavid>I hope not anytime soon
01:47<ajavid>I hope squeeze takes as long as it can
01:47<ajavid>I nope squeeze sees unfortunate delays for you all but fortunate for me
01:48<ajavid>if squeeze doesn't make it out for another 2+ years, I'm happy
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01:48<ajavid>that means KDE3 on stable will be supported for until newstable coems out
01:48<ajavid>and then lenny will be old stable, which gives kde3 another year in debian as oldstable
01:49<ajavid>all in all, 3+ years, hopefully. don't ruin my luck by wanting squeeze to come out sooner
01:49<ajavid>whats the hurry anyway? relax.
01:49*craigevil happily runs sid, i could care less when squeeze releases other than when it causes sid to freeze
01:50<ajavid>its besides the piont
01:50<ajavid>KDE is the focal point of the topic here, not debian release
01:50<ajavid>I've been using debian sid for 8 years, no big deal, but it doesn't have kde3 anymore
01:51<craigevil>yes i miss kde3, i gave up on kde4 and went to using LXDE
01:51<ajavid>thats why i switched to stable for my desktop
01:51<ajavid>I didn't
01:51<chealer>Steven_M: there is no such thing as as lenny 5.2 planned
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01:51<ajavid>I got stable lenny, 2.6.29 for my ext4 array, xorg 7.4 for free radeon 3d, python 2.6 for programming, and kdek3.5.10
01:51<ajavid>that is basically all I need
01:52<ajavid>I have a 32bit sid chroot where I run all my latest games etc.
01:52<ajavid>keep shit seperated
01:52<chealer>!ell ajavid about enter
01:52<ajavid>chealer, i got you, sorry about that
01:52<chealer>!tell ajavid about enter
01:53<craigevil>some of the kde4 games are pretty neat, i still have most of the kde3 games as well
01:53<Steven_M>ajavid: I'm not talking about squeeze, just the next realease point of Lenny
01:54<ajavid>craigevil, I thought about giving up but then I said no way. I thought about using kubuntu kde3 remix cd, no way. I can't get away from debian, not gonna happen. I love debian and nothing else works for me. So I went to do this. Do you have ANY idea how hard it was to fucking build 7.4 xorg using sid's build scripts and configuration?
01:54<ajavid>to still keep it debianized
01:54<ajavid>I literally went through fucking hell dude, but I got it.
01:54<craigevil>lxde is nice once you get used to it and kde apps still work just fine
01:54<sney>that's some dedication
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01:54<ajavid>and even now its a bit unstable, but i works.
01:55<ajavid>if i restart X, total system lockdown, magic sysrq not even respond.
01:55<Steven_M>chealer: what about 5.1r2 or something like that?
01:55<ajavid>but at least it works until you have to restart X, which I don' tneed to anyway, so its all good now.
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01:55<ajavid>Steven_M, ahh isee
01:56<ajavid>Steven_M, there will be 6 months after squeeze, lenny and a half
01:56<chealer>Steven_M: did you see what gsimmons/dpkg told you?
01:57<craigevil>kde4 wouldnt be so bad if it didn't require more resources to run than vista
01:57<ajavid>you know what, I should backup my hdd, make an image, in case anything happens, I can get stuff back
01:57<ajavid>craigevil, kde4 is horrible. KDE should be ashamed of itself.
01:58<ajavid>but they are not. sadly, they show no remorse.
01:58<craigevil>lxde barely uses any, Processes 98 Uptime 2 days Memory 210.9/492.9MB thats with iceweasel+chatzilla open the past 2 days same for evince, mplayer, multiple tabs in lxterminal
01:59<ajavid>model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ cpu MHz : 3010.447
01:59<ajavid> total used free shared buffers cached
01:59<ajavid>Mem: 8006 3433 4573 0 87 2630
01:59<ajavid>for me its not the resources, for me its usability, and kde is NOT usable.
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02:00<craigevil>i tried it for a day until the system tray went nuts and all of the sudden the clock was in the middle
02:00<craigevil>never could find a setting to change it back
02:01<ajavid>anyway, I build the new desmume from upstream as the debian packags is old, so now it dosn't crash on open gl
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02:01<ajavid>BUT... it doesn't save any nintendo DS game savestates
02:02<ajavid>or the 512kb flash rom
02:02<ajavid>fucking pissin me off...
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02:02<ajavid>anyway, gnite.
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02:12<Steven_M>chealer: one of those links seem to indicate a point release in a couple of weeks, but that contradicts what you've said.
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02:15<chealer>Steven_M: what did I say? the next point release will be in at least one week.
02:16<sney>yeah google chrome on linux! my googler friend says it's totally functional and almost stable, they're just being careful before releasing
02:16<sney>dpkg will come in like 6 months I'm sure
02:16<dpkg>sney: I give up, what is it?
02:16<sney>hmm that came out dirtier than I expected
02:16<sney>dpkg: I'll tell you when you're older.
02:16<dpkg>sney: I give up, what is it?
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02:20<Steven_M>chealer: You said earlier that "there is no such thing as as lenny 5.2 planned"
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02:22<Steven_M>LightVision: hi
02:23<chealer>Steven_M: yes... I didn't say that there wasn't a point release planned.
02:23<LightVision>i have a question about mountin usb stick
02:23<LightVision>i use debian lenny with xfce
02:24<LightVision>the question is how could i turn off led of the usb flash when ejecting?
02:25<Steven_M>chealer: ok, so what will the next point release point be called?
02:25<Steven_M>LightVision: i don't think you can
02:27<ffws>Windows can do it ;)
02:27<Steven_M>i could be wrong
02:27<LightVision>is a problem of debian lenny or is a problem of xfce?
02:28<ffws>LightVision: "problem" of Linux
02:28<LightVision>i think that in kde that would be possible, but is a long time i used
02:28<sney>if it's anywhere it'd be a module option for uhci
02:29<ffws>LightVision: no, using KDE4 here, led of usb flash does not turn off if I umount it
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02:30<ffws>LightVision: but I never searched /sys or /proc for a led switch
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02:30<ffws>perhaps there is a way to control the led
02:30<LightVision>ok, then that facility was seen in another distro, pclos i guess
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02:31<LightVision>i have another qeuestion: how could I disable writeback on usb sticks?
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02:31<ffws>LightVision: man mount
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02:33<Steven_M>LightVision: you mean you want to make the USB stick read only?
02:33<LightVision>is not about mounting, is about booting from hda where the stick is already inserted in usb, and the message is found ... assuming cache write back
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02:34<LightVision>[ 19.535072] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off
02:34<LightVision>[ 19.535094] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00
02:34<LightVision>[ 19.535105] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through
02:34<LightVision>[ 19.535131] sda: sda1
02:34<LightVision>[ 20.801312] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI removable disk
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02:36<Steven_M>LightVision: not sure, sorry
02:37<LightVision>no, because i need to write on it when need it
02:38<LightVision>i guess is a seting of scsi removable disk
02:39<Steven_M>someone else help LightVision please, I lack the expertise
02:39<LightVision>or, where i could chanche the options for scsi module?
02:43<LightVision>in /etc/modules i have only loop listed
02:43<streuner_>fine :-)
02:43<streuner_>so just add the module itself there and add the option :-)
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02:45<streuner_>LightVision: man modules
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02:47<LightVision>thank you
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03:12<tuxcrafter>how can i reinstall and reconfigure all packages that are dependencies of libvte9
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03:20<jm_>tuxcrafter: use aptitude
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03:32<tuxcrafter>jm_: how can i do that recurisvly on the dependencies that the libvte9 package has
03:32<tuxcrafter>sudo aptitude reinstall libvte9
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03:32<tuxcrafter>that does only reinstall libvte9 but not its dependencie
03:33<jm_>tuxcrafter: aptitude search '~Ddepends:libvte9 ~i'
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03:39<sylarr>can anyone help me
03:40<sylarr>my rc.local script seems to not run at reboots
03:40<tuxcrafter>sylarr: sudo dpkr-reconfigure initscripts
03:41<tuxcrafter>sylarr: and or sudo chkconfig rc.local on
03:41<tuxcrafter>sudo chkconfig --list to check
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03:52<sylarr># chkconfig --list rc.local
03:52<sylarr>rc.local 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off
03:53<sylarr>tuxcrafter, ^
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03:53<sylarr>tuxcrafter, so it is on from 2 to 5
03:53<sylarr>tuxcrafter, shouldn't that be enough for it to run??
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03:54<jm_>show us ls -l output for your rc.local file with absolute path
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03:57<tuxcrafter>sylarr: i had some issues with my rc.local starting this week to, i first completely disabled it sudo chkconfig rc.local off then did a sudo dpkr-reconfigure initscript and then sudo chkconfig --list to check
03:58<sylarr>tuxcrafter, aha
03:58<sylarr>tuxcrafter, this is the first time I try to meddle with the rc.local
03:58<sylarr>tuxcrafter, did it work for you?
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03:59<tuxcrafter>sylarr: yes my rc.local works fine
04:00<tuxcrafter>rc.local 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off
04:00<sylarr>I have that too
04:00<sylarr># chkconfig --dep --list rc.local
04:00<sylarr>rc.local 0:off 1:off 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on 6:off $remote_fs
04:00<sylarr>seems my rc.local depend on $remote_fs
04:01<sylarr>whatever that is
04:01<tuxcrafter>doens nt matter
04:01<sylarr>so it isn't the problem?
04:01<tuxcrafter>sylarr: nope
04:01<tuxcrafter>make a touch /test.txt in your rc.local
04:02<tuxcrafter>so you know it is working
04:02<tuxcrafter>small steps first
04:02<sylarr>tuxcrafter, I did an echo "bla" >> /var/log/mylog
04:02<sylarr>in /etc/init.d/rc.local
04:03<tuxcrafter>that is not the correct place :D
04:03<sylarr>and also in /etc/rc.local
04:03<tuxcrafter>only that last one you should toch
04:03<tuxcrafter>i got to go fix some thigs
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04:03<sylarr>how about some log
04:04<sylarr>who runs these services?
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04:05<jm_>if verbose mode is not disabled it would be visible on screen, and in bootlog if enabled
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04:19<Zviper>how can i see what the biggest folder in my whole system is?
04:20<llutz>Zviper: list 5 biggest "du -xk|sort -n|tail -5"
04:20<jm_>there are no folders in unix file systems
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04:22<nas>guys what is this error and how to make it disappear? i did a search it says something like memory error but not so sure
04:22<nas>Jun 22 16:17:02 vpsmisc04 kernel: EDAC MC0: CE page 0xbf484, offset 0x0, grain 4096, syndrome 0x61, row 3, channel 1, label "": i82875p CE
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04:22<sylarr>jm_, in bootlog do you mean /var/log/boot ?
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04:23<jm_>sylarr: yup
04:23<Zviper>thanks for that llutz
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04:24<petern>nas, memory problem
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04:26<sylarr>jm_, and verbose what do you mean? I have verbose=yes in /etc/default/rc5, is that it?
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04:26<jm_>sylarr: yes
04:27<sylarr>jm_, ok, so I have both and I don't see any reference to my rc.local script
04:27<jm_>sylarr: then give me the ls -l output I requested long ago
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04:27<Zviper>llutz, how can i get it to display in mb/gb?
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04:28<llutz>Zviper: "man du"
04:28<Zviper>i tried the -h switch but the out come was different
04:28<jm_>-h will confuse sort
04:28<llutz>Zviper: try -m
04:29<sylarr># ls -l /etc/rc.local
04:29<sylarr>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 521 2009-06-22 10:14 /etc/rc.local
04:29<sylarr># ls -l /etc/init.d/rc.local
04:29<sylarr>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 864 2009-06-22 10:41 /etc/init.d/rc.local
04:29<Zviper>llutz: no difference
04:29<sylarr>jm_, ^^
04:30<jm_>sylarr: in that case it must be executed
04:30<sylarr>I also have some:
04:30<sylarr># ls -l /etc/rc5.d/S99rc.local
04:30<sylarr>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2009-03-16 18:53 /etc/rc5.d/S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local
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04:30<Zviper>oh nevermind there was a difference i just failed to notice
04:31<sylarr>jm_, I don't see it in the logs
04:31<jm_>rc5.d is not that important in Debian
04:31<sylarr>I have it in 2 to 5
04:32<jm_>sylarr: note that verbose=yes is overriden by quiet kernel option
04:32<sylarr>jm_, what can I do about it?
04:32<jm_>sylarr: where did you put the echo command?
04:33<sylarr>echo "`date` /etc/init.d/rc.local is executing" >> /var/log/my_startup_script
04:33<sylarr>in the first line in the script
04:34<jm_>sylarr: and the one in init.d/rc.local?
04:34<llutz>sylarr: why don't you use logger?
04:35<sylarr>jm_, that is the one from init.d/rc.local?
04:35<sylarr>llutz, ignorance
04:35<jm_>sylarr: it can't be in first line, first line has ot be #!/bin/sh
04:35<sylarr>llutz, o, I know logger, I don't want it on syslog
04:36<llutz>logger -f
04:36<sylarr>jm_, I know that , it is in the first uncommented line
04:36<sylarr>jm_, after the #!/bin/sh and all the other comments
04:36<sylarr>llutz, I tried that and it didn't work
04:37<sylarr>llutz, what is wrong with echo?
04:37<jm_>sylarr: andthe file is not written to?
04:37<llutz>sylarr: logger is easer (and works for me) ;)
04:37<llutz>sry won't disturb you
04:38<sylarr>llutz, np
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04:38<sylarr>jm_, no, that file isn't written to.
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04:41<jm_>sylarr: then you can debug it in /etc/init.d/rc
04:42<jm_>sylarr: did you verify it runs if you execute it when system is booted?
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04:43<sylarr>jm_, I don't understand you exactly , but I ran it manually /etc/init.d/rc.local start and it ran
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04:44<jm_>sylarr: yes, that's what I meant
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04:46<sylarr>that scrip make me feel crosseyed
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04:51<sylarr>jm_, anything about how to change that quiet kernel?
04:53<jm_>sylarr: it's a kernel parameter, you will find it in boot loader's config file
04:53<jm_>you can also override it with INIT_VERBOSE IIRC
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04:56<sylarr>it just doesn't run
04:57<jm_>well that alone won't change stuff, it would just show which scripts get run etc.
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04:57<laber>so apxs is very powerful
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05:09<sylarr>I have tried to make a copy of my rc.local and install it and it still doesn't run
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05:09<sylarr>I did
05:09<sylarr>update-rc.d my_rc.local start 99 2 3 4 5 .
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05:18<sylarr>so... I am not eve able to instaall a new service
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06:03<sylarr>tuxcrafter, your chkconfig seemto have helped. though it changed all athe numbers on my init symlink
06:03<jm_>that might mean something's wrong with your init sequence, i.e. it doesn't get to S99 part
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06:07<sylarr>jm_, hmmm
06:07<sylarr>jm_, what could it mean? is something wrong?
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06:09<jm_>sylarr: hard to say, you'd need to debug what's going on in rc script
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06:20<tuxcrafter>sylarr: no problem
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06:20<tuxcrafter>sylarr: chkconfig is not a really save tool
06:20<tuxcrafter>sylarr: you have to check what is does
06:20<tuxcrafter>also checkout update-rc.d
06:20<tuxcrafter>thats a nice tool too
06:22<sylarr>tuxcrafter, what do you mean by "not a really save tool"?
06:22<sylarr>I tried update-rc.d it didn't work
06:23<sylarr>tuxcrafter, I have even made a new script and tried to install it with it , and it didn't work (update-rc.d)
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06:24<tuxcrafter>sylarr: chkconfig makes those symlinks but sometimes it does change the run order and you may not espect taht
06:24<tuxcrafter>i had issues with that in the past
06:25<sylarr>and it was bad?
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06:27<gz>till when is planned support for etch? I mean, till when will the security updates for etch be available?
06:27<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until about February 2010; now is the time to start planning your upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>.
06:27<gz>thank you
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07:39<paultag>'lo all. I am coming over from Ubuntu, and am trying to work upstream -- Anyone have some tips on where to head?
07:40<petemc>trying to do what?
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07:40<paultag>petemc, DD work. I am tired with the MOTU
07:40<petemc>you want to be a debian developer?
07:40<paultag>petemc, yeah, I have strong coding background and I can package up to Ubuntu package guidelines
07:41<paultag>petemc, cheers, thanks
07:41<jm_>that info is so easy to find it strikes me odd that someone with enough technical background fails to find it
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07:43<paultag>jm_, fair enough. Unfortunately the link hell that is the main page did not get me anywhere, so I just connected over to OFTC
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07:44<jm_>paultag: I hope you noticed Developer's corner link
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07:44<paultag>jm_, I did indeed, but that page was not linked. Off the page linked by pete I was able to get to new maintainers. It's not linked very well
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07:45<jm_>paultag: sure it is, main page -> Dev. corner -> Joining Debian
07:45<paultag>jm_, the closest was maint-guide, but that is geared to existing DD
07:46<paultag>jm_, Well goddamnit. I was pouring under Packaging.
07:46<paultag>jm_, my fault, cheers.
07:46<jm_>paultag: heh
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08:27<KaiSVK>hi all, another fancy update in testing, in GNOME when I maximize a window window decoration is not seeable, it is hidden under the pannel, I have got confirmed this
08:27<KaiSVK>anyone encountered this ?
08:27<dr|z3d>KaiSVK: Are you on a netbook?
08:28<dr|z3d>KaiSVK: Also, have you tried moving the panel to verify the window furniture is actually just hidden?
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08:29<Slurb>metacity has a bug
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08:29<Slurb>someone came in here yesterday...same problem
08:29<Slurb>buttons hidden behind top panel?
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08:37<KaiSVK>Slurb, that's right
08:38<KaiSVK>Slurb, how could this happen ? :D
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08:44<Slurb>just a bug
08:44<Slurb>try setting the taskbar to auto-hide
08:44<Slurb>see if it will hide enough
08:45<Slurb>or you can tell the taskbar not to expand and take up the whole screen
08:45<Slurb>that should expose the buttons
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08:48<Data-Fl0w>hi all
08:49<Data-Fl0w>any one here recommend Debian for novice , I mean to replace it with win xp ?
08:49<dr|z3d>Data-Fl0w: I'd recommend MintLinux or Ubuntu.
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08:49<jm_>if you're prepared to read some stuff then it'll work, but if not then give up now
08:49<dr|z3d>Built on Debian, but easier for a novice to grasp.
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08:51<Data-Fl0w>and what about hardware ? In windows you can chech the hardware manufactor then tic tac reboot your system ? what about debian
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08:51<jm_>with linux it's no reboots if it's supported
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08:51<Data-Fl0w>this is my hardware specification
08:51<Data-Fl0w>intel motherboard model :D945GTP_
08:51<Data-Fl0w>CPU- pentium(R)---3.06 GHz
08:51<Data-Fl0w>ram : 2.5 GB
08:51<Data-Fl0w>vga : intel 82945G express chipset family 128 mb
08:51<Data-Fl0w>sound : sigmatel audio
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08:52<Data-Fl0w>sorry for the paste !
08:53<carsten>anyone here having some experience with cdbs and/or make? I would like to source a shell fragment before the configure step in debian/rules
08:53<dr|z3d>Data-Fl0w: If you can get hold of a livecd, you can boot into Linux and test your hardware before you commit to installing to HD.
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08:54<carsten>Anyone knows how this can be accomplish with a Makefile?
08:54<jm_>carsten: . foo && ./configure doesn't work?
08:55<carsten>jm_: well yes, but if I but . foo into the makefile it seems to source this in a subshell and the forgets the settings again
08:55<carsten>jm_: At least the subsequent configure then barfs as it cannot find one of its requirements
08:55<carsten>jm_: So, manually it does work (within the same shell), but not from debian/rules with dpkg-buildpackage
08:55<jm_>carsten: well that's all on one line so it's executed in the same shell
08:55<Data-Fl0w><dr|z3d> I will Download a small image file from the debian website.
08:56<jm_>carsten: if nto try sh -c '...' instead
08:56<dr|z3d>Data-Fl0w: I still believe you're better off with a more polished, novice friendly distro, however. Both MintLinux and Ubuntu come with the liveCD functionality built-in.
08:56<carsten>jm_: True *sigh* but then it won't work with CDBS anymore as I can only extend that
08:57<carsten>jm_: e.g. makebuilddir/gds:: (next line, TAB) . foo
08:57<dr|z3d>Data-Fl0w: In the event you're convinced Debian is the way to go, might be of assistance.
08:57<carsten>jm_: that's all I can do
08:57<jm_>carsten: so it calls configure on its own?
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08:58<carsten>jm_: That's part of the magic of cdbs (and this enables me to cut down the rules file to less than 7 lines)
08:58<jm_>carsten: hmm perhaps write a wrapper configure script then?
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09:01<Data-Fl0w><dr|z3d> you know I checked and I compare some of the dis , so they recoomend me first with ubuntu but the problem is the WUBI installer take more than 2 hours to create virtual disc then I get error , I tried many times but same error , and now I have 2 booting systems in my comp the winxp and ubuntu so I repair my winxp and trying to download another dis so I read an article
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09:02<Data-Fl0w>about how universities using debian as education system in whole arabic world which I live so I will hit a try
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09:08<carsten>jm_: Maybe...
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09:13<GoldenHedgehog>Hi all. How to swap microphone and speaker sources in ALSA? It looks here like it's using speakers for recording. Driver snd-hda-intel, ALSA version 1.0.20.
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09:19<leeroy>german debian will not help me
09:19<leeroy>she make jokes over me :(
09:19<dr|z3d>leeroy: Speak English, we'll help you here.
09:19<dr|z3d>(assuming we can).
09:19<leeroy>i have linux 5.0 lenny
09:20<leeroy>where can i intsll a destop
09:20<dr|z3d>leeroy: Which one did you want? Gnome, Xfce, KDE?
09:20<leeroy>kde will not
09:21<leeroy>i become errors
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09:21<leeroy>cant install KDE
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09:21<dr|z3d>You want to find the metapackage for the DE you want to install.
09:21<dr|z3d>That will install all the other software you need at the same time.
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09:22<nvz>Lenny AMD64 Netinst failing on mkfs.ext2 routinely on Phenom X4 system, nvidia sata, just slightly changes the way it happens depending on SATA/AHCI/RAID settings.. also playing with IOMMU/MSIX kernel options seem to slightly change the output. any clues or ideas as to a resolution or course of action such as where to direct bug reports and what other info to gather would be appreciated.
09:22<leeroy>i have no amd
09:22<leeroy>i386 or so
09:23<petemc>leeroy: you say its a v server? do you want to run X apps remotely?
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09:23<leeroy>my prob its
09:23<leeroy>i have a game server
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09:23<leeroy>this woarks only windows
09:24<leeroy>windows server its to high price
09:24<leeroy>i have install wine
09:24<leeroy>this woarks not
09:24<nvz>please form sentances
09:24<leeroy>i mast install Elysium Blue
09:25<leeroy>Elysium Blue its to old the packed its deletete
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09:25<leeroy>the game server forum say
09:25<leeroy>This guide is for Elysium Blue ONLY. This is not to be reposted, credit or no credit, on ANY other forum without the express permission of DarkAngel. You may link to these forums or post, but that is all. Thank you. I hope this guide will give linux users a better chance to play our games and open our community up to a bigger user base.
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09:27<leeroy>and my best freand say this woarks on wine
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09:27<leeroy>i mast install a destop
09:28<leeroy>apt-get install aptitude tasksel <-- dont woark on my root
09:28<leeroy>the install the prog last become a error
09:28<nvz>here is a wild idea, be more specific
09:28<leeroy>sry for my bad englich
09:28<nvz>your english is only a small part of the problem
09:29<nvz>showing actual errors instead of saying it doesn't work makes the real difference
09:29<nvz>if I just came on here and said my f'n server doesn't work, there is little chance of me getting any useful help
09:29<leeroy>wenn i get you my root data you can install a woark kde??
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09:35<ghantoos>leeroy: did you try, in a terminal: sudo apt-get install kde4-minimal ?
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09:38<leeroy>ok i have forget is
09:38<leeroy>i have
09:38<leeroy>Linux debian 5.0 lenny minimal
09:39<leeroy>yes i use a terminal
09:41<leeroy>81-89-101-170:~# apt-get install kde4-minimal
09:41<leeroy>Reading package lists... Done
09:41<leeroy>Building dependency tree
09:41<leeroy>Reading state information... Done
09:41<leeroy>E: Couldn't find package kde4-minimal
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09:45<leeroy>E: Couldn't find package kde4-minimal
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09:46<ghantoos>leeroy: my bad, kde4-minimal is actually only experimental
09:46<ffws>leeroy: because this does not exist in standard repositories
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09:47<ffws>ghantoos: even there it was removed
09:48<leeroy>i'm stuppid in linux
09:48<leeroy>2jears only terminal
09:49<adb>leeroy: tried installing kdebase kde ?
09:49<adb>err , kdm
09:49<leeroy>who can i install this
09:50<adb>so install kdebase kdm xorg
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09:51<leeroy>the command please
09:51<adb>leeroy: aptitude install kdebase kdm xorg
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09:51<leeroy>apt-get install aptitude install kdebase kdm xorg
09:52<leeroy>apt-get install aptitude kdebase kdm xorg
09:52<adb>[Jun 22 15:47:58] <adb> leeroy: aptitude install kdebase kdm xorg
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09:52<leeroy>Usage: aptitude [-S fname] [-u|-i]
09:52<leeroy> aptitude [options] <action> ...
09:52<leeroy> Actions (if none is specified, aptitude will enter interactive mode):
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09:53<igsen>Debian (Lenny-stable) need help!!: Suddenly internet becomes very slowww, where to start??
09:53<dr|z3d>aptitude install <package> <package>
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09:54<leeroy>81-89-101-170:~# apt-get install aptitude install kdebase kdm xorg
09:54<leeroy>Reading package lists... Done
09:54<leeroy>Building dependency tree
09:54<leeroy>Reading state information... Done
09:54<leeroy>aptitude is already the newest version.
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09:54<leeroy>After this operation, 385MB of additional disk space will be used.
09:54<leeroy>Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
09:54<leeroy>yes or??
09:55<prahal>"aptitude install kdebase kdm xorg" not "apt-get install"
09:55<dr|z3d>Yes, obviously. You're installing.
09:55<petemc>leeroy: if you get kicked for pasting, dont rejoin the channel and continue to paste
09:55<leeroy>apt-get install aptitude kdebase kdm xorg this woarks to
09:55<prahal>leeroy, remove apt-get install !
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09:55<dr|z3d>Either aptitude or apt-get, sure. aptitude is preferred.
09:55<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
09:55<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
09:56<prahal>you are killing kittens :)
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09:56<leeroy>Last login: Mon Jun 22 13:41:03 2009 from
09:56<leeroy>81-89-101-170:~# apt-get aptitude install kdebase kdm xorg
09:56<leeroy>E: Invalid operation aptitude
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09:57<dr|z3d>apt-get install aptitude
09:57<leeroy>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
09:57<petemc>leeroy: you're going to find getting a remote desktop and a functioning gameserver under wine pretty much impossible
09:57<ghantoos>leeroy: aptitude install kdebase kdm xorg
09:57<dr|z3d>So do so. Run that command, leeroy.
09:57<dr|z3d>> dpkg --configure -a
09:58<leeroy> Select keymap from arch list x
09:58<leeroy> x Don't touch keymap x
09:58<leeroy> x Keep kernel keymap x
09:58<leeroy> x Select keymap from full list
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09:58<dr|z3d>Slow learner, this one.
09:58<dr|z3d>leeroy: Do NOT paste into the channel. Use pastebin.
09:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
09:59<dr|z3d>Keep pasting and you'll likely provoke a ban.
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10:05<igsen>debian(Lenny-stable) need help! : suddenly internet connection becomes slow, what to do?where to start??
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10:06<dr|z3d>igsen: Start by securing your wireless router.
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10:07<igsen>dr|z3d, how to do that?
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10:08<dr|z3d>igsen: Are you actually running a wireless router unencrypted?
10:08<igsen>dr|z3d, I'm on a wired network.
10:10<dr|z3d>Sharing with a number of other machines/users?
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10:10<igsen>dr|z3d, no, I'm alone on ethernet device.
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10:12<dr|z3d>And what symptoms do you see that indicate slow internet?
10:12<igsen>dr|z3d, If I use google and I go to a website, it timing out.
10:13<dr|z3d>Just google?
10:13<dr|z3d>Ah, results linked from google.
10:13<dr|z3d>Have you done anything lately configuration-wise that might have upset the network?
10:14<igsen>dr|z3d, I f I use terminal and do apt-get update the bandwidth download speed is only 30 bytes w/c used to be 34kb/s
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10:15<igsen>dr|z3d, Installed clamav
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10:16<igsen>dr|z3d, should I uninstall clamav and apt-get arno iptable?
10:17<prahal>dr|z3d, iftop . Check its output
10:17<dr|z3d>clamav shouldn't be impacting network performance.
10:17<prahal>and you may also want to use etherape though to check your network for roge boxes . Though it is unlikely
10:17<prahal>oups igsen
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10:18<igsen>dr|z3d, bash: iftop: command not found.
10:19<prahal>igsen, aptitude install iftop
10:19<dr|z3d>There we go, prahal got there first!
10:20<prahal>well shit happens :)
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10:20<igsen>dr|z3d, prahal, what im looking for iftop I have th output
10:20<prahal>first in first ge the karma !
10:22<dr|z3d>igsen: You're looking for suspect network activity.
10:22<prahal>igsen, it shows bandwidth used by each network connection . You should be able to see if something is eating all the bandwidth . also you may need t iftop -i <your_interface_name> to get input if your interface is not eth0
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10:24<igsen>prahal, , what's this?
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10:25<igsen>prahal,dr|z3d, (this maybe oftc-#debian, right?)
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10:26<prahal>igsen, looks like your dns provider
10:26<dr|z3d>Sure, * is here, most likely.
10:26<prahal>the second is freenode
10:26<prahal>oups here
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10:26<igsen> <- this one?
10:26<prahal>I need an upgrade ... freenode for debian was looong ago
10:27<prahal>igsen, host will tell . If not whois could provide a few hints
10:27<locklace>!upgrade prahal
10:27<igsen>prahal ok How do I do that?
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10:28<prahal>by typing "host" . Though it does not match anything . so typee "whois" . It is a fai in china
10:29<prahal>igsen, try as root : lsof -i |grep
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10:30<prahal>maybe your are helping democratic fighters in china without your knowledge ;) do you host website with known backends (wordpress for example)
10:30<igsen> lsof -i |grep >> no output on prompt
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10:31<prahal>igsen, do you have lsof installed ?
10:31<igsen>not yet..
10:32<igsen>ohh, I have the latest version according to prompt.
10:33<prahal>hum and you ran it as root . So maybe the connection to this ip is terminated (lsof -i shows only live connections) . Is it still in iftop output ?
10:33<igsen>prahal none.
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10:34<prahal>ok this explain that . Is there anythoing else suspicious in iftop ? Otherwise you could check your bandwith again ... and check again iftop output when it will drop
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10:35<igsen>ooh I got one I have names and addresses of many persons. What should I do???
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10:35<igsen>got it from whois
10:36<prahal>whois mostly tell the fai froom which people connects
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10:36<igsen>inetnum: - netname: IPG
10:36<akis>hello all
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10:37<prahal>you have to check with lsof -i which type of service (port) they are connected to and find out if this is not one of your services (like p2p or else)
10:38<prahal>say you are using torrent to download debian ... you will seed to lot of people (and the upload may degrade the download speed)
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10:38<stuckey>Anyone here involved with game development in Debian?
10:38<igsen>prahal, no I'm not seeding
10:38<prahal>stuckey, I think there is an alioth project for games
10:38<dpkg>hmm... alioth is, or debian's sourceforge server. see, or irc://
10:38<stuckey>What's this?
10:39<prahal>a sourceforge like debian server
10:39<prahal>hosting many projects
10:39<stuckey>So it hosts information about games?
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10:40<prahal>mailing list too . so you can reach other debian developpers working on games .
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10:40<stuckey>There are actually people working on games in Debian?
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10:40<petemc>stuckey: silly question
10:40<stuckey>petemc: Because there are games in debian or because there aren't?
10:41<petemc>there are
10:41<stuckey>I sure don't see many...
10:41<petemc>many, or any?
10:41<stuckey>There's that one ping pong game that was pretty cool.
10:41<lavamind>hello, I'm looking for instructions on how to compile a module for php5 (ldap, specifically) using apt-src & al. without compiling everything (if that's even possible)
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10:42<stuckey>prahal: what's this?
10:42<rudi_s>lavamind: Does php5-ldap not work for you?
10:42<prahal>the mailing list
10:42<lavamind>rudi_s, I need ldap paging, so i'm trying to compile it with this patch :
10:43<stuckey>prahal: why isn't the debian games mailing list being used?
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10:43<lavamind>it seems the feature might not even make it in php 5.3
10:43<rudi_s>lavamind: apt-get source php5-ldap ; dpkg-buildpackage (after you installed the necessary build dependencies).
10:44<prahal>stuckey, the alioth projects are for development
10:44<lavamind>rudi_s, ah ok, didn't know i could source php5-ldap, I thought it would only work on php5
10:44<prahal>and well they end up replacing other medium too for package maintainence
10:44<lavamind>rudi_s, thanks
10:44<stuckey>Okay. I've never heard of alioth before now.
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10:44<rudi_s>lavamind: You can apt-get source every package.
10:45<stuckey>I just want some spring in Debian... I posted something on the mailing list not too long ago, but it doesn't see as if too many people have interest.
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10:46<lavamind>rudi_s, will dpkg-buildpackage build php5-ldap or every php5 package ?
10:47<rudi_s>lavamind: It will build the package you are currently in. But if you never build a package read the guide I gave you.
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10:47<rudi_s>After apt-get source cd in the directory and run dpkg-buildpackage.
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10:49<stuckey>prahal: no spring
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10:52<nvz>springs suck...
10:52<gsimmons>stuckey: There may still be issues regarding its licensing. See Debian bug #367883 for the ITP.
10:52<nvz>wait, what are we talking about?lol
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10:53<stuckey>gsimmons: ah thanks, I was actually looking for that.
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10:56<Stormy>Hi I wonder if someone could help me find an old version of libc6-dev_2.3.6.ds1-13etch5_i386 All my searches take me to etch9. I need the old version.
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10:57<Stormy>Most resources seem to be protecting me from getting the old one...
10:57<stuckey>gsimmons: What's GPL v2?
10:58<dr|z3d>stuckey: Please to google.
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10:58<dr|z3d>If you don't know what the GPL is, time to read up.
10:58<stuckey>gsimmons: That's what the spring engine is.
10:58<stuckey>!gpl v2
10:59<dpkg>from memory, gpl is about freedom whereas the BSD license allows people to take that away, or at
10:59<dr|z3d>Not the most illuminating factoid.
10:59<stuckey>dr|z3d: Please add to it.
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10:59<stuckey>What sort of license does something have to have to be in Debian?
11:00<dpkg>i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at
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11:00<prahal>we'll the point behind bsd was to get technologies out of universities in to companies ... while gpl is to share code between developpers (and companies/universities)
11:00<bja>stuckey: Have you read Debian's social contract? if not, i believe it's time to.
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11:01<Stormy>gsimmons Thank you!
11:02<stuckey>gsimmons: OKay so it's gplv2, so that would mean there isn't any problems with it being in debian?
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11:03<Stormy>gsimmons. Found some similar but not the exact package. I am experienced enough to get close, but noob enough not to get close enough...
11:03<prahal>stuckey, the problem is mostly with mods (without them the engine is kind of pointless) ... those are not gpled fully (mixes of licences, not even properly licenced files)
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11:04<stuckey>prahal: Well it would still make sense to package the engine---wouldn't it?
11:04<stuckey>prahal: There are two mods that are free...
11:04<stuckey>So it could be packaged with them.
11:05<stuckey>No it doesn't have to be packaged together I meant, it could be packaged and then there would at least exists one free mod with which it could be used.
11:05<prahal>yes ... mostly for developpers and maybe provides the mods in non-free .
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11:05<gsimmons>Stormy: Uh, the binary package you requested in listed there.
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11:06<stuckey>prahal: that'd be awesome
11:06<stuckey>Have you ever played this game?
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11:06<Stormy>gsimmons looking there now...
11:06<igsen>I'm back with arno-iptable installed
11:07<prahal>stuckey, seems to tell there were issues with all the mods back then . Though they are looking after resolving them
11:07<igsen>And my network speed is back to normal.
11:07<stuckey>prahal: Yeah I was looking at that.
11:08<igsen>Thanks, prahal and dr|z3d.
11:08<igsen>Or, make that dr|z3d, sorry.
11:08<Stormy>gsimmons I see just what I was looking for there. What I couldn't find myself. Thanks!
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11:12<Nazcafan>I don't know what wrong I've done, but as of now, my gnome windows superbly ignore the toolbars
11:12<Nazcafan>which is painfull
11:13<prahal>stuckey, not yet but seeing it now ... this will not last long .) have to temper fixing those vala/anjuta segfaults or playing !
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11:14<stuckey>prahal: not following...
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11:14<prahal>nothing . Only that it looks really good and entertaining
11:15<stuckey>prahal: It's the best game I've ever played. Highly addicitive.
11:15<stuckey>prahal: try it
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11:20<stuckey>prahal: I'm confused from what i'm reading in the bug reports... what exactly is the problem with the license?
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11:22<zxd>edquota: Cannot write quota for 1162 on Connection refused
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11:38<stuckey>how do I open a .sdz file?
11:39<Halitech>hi all, trying to do an install on an old laptop of debian testing + lxde and when it gets through the network configuration it fails on clock configuration saying configuring the network has not been preformed. Any ideas other then skipping the step and setting up the clock later?
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11:48<fryst>uh... that was embarrassing and rude.
11:48<dpkg>i heard fuck is cool
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11:49<fryst>Depends on context
11:49<vitek>Is there some kind man who can help me with my fu$ing debians problems ?
11:49<fryst>Uh, maybe. What problems have you got there?
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11:50<bja>!tell vitek about unix lessons
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11:53<vitek>I dont how to mount disk)) fat32 .... this my ... fstab )
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11:55<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
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11:57<vitek>omg =((( i'm too noob for it
11:57<vitek>is there rushians helper ? )
11:57<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
11:58<adb>vitek: type 'id' in terminal
11:58<vitek>vitek@vitek:~$ id
11:58<vitek>uid=1000(vitek) gid=1000(vitek) группы=4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(netdev),108(lpadmin),110(powerdev),111(scanner),1000(vitek)
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11:59<ml|>now that you have that info re-read what dpkg said
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12:00<vitek>i will try...
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12:04<leeroy>i am back
12:05<leeroy>ok i cant install kde
12:05<leeroy>this dont woarks
12:05<leeroy>apt-get aptitude install kdebase kdm xorg
12:05<adb>[Jun 22 15:47:58] <adb> leeroy: aptitude install kdebase kdm xorg
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12:06<vitek>UUID=j2uZao-pPpC-sWu3-egqC-ywYO-wMZh-Zxpn35 /media/jest vfat defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0
12:06<leeroy>E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download
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12:07<leeroy>adb i give you my root data can you install kde??
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12:07<leeroy>i am to stupid :(
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12:08<leeroy>can you install this please
12:08<vitek>))) he is to busy )
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12:10<locklace>!lart leeroy
12:10*dpkg pushes the wall down onto leeroy whilst whistling innocently
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12:10<vitek>dear adb )) you was told smth about vfatrw.... me sholt to type it ?
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12:12<vitek>02:59 < adb> !vfatrw
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12:12<adb>vitek: now your line for vfat seems ok
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12:14<vitek>but it dont work ))) what me shoul to type in to mount in terminal? "mount /media/jest"?
12:15<vitek>vitek@vitek:~$ sudo mount /media/jest
12:15<vitek>mount: mount point /media/jest does not exist
12:15<adb>vitek: as root do > mkdir /media/jest
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12:16<vitek>vitek@vitek:~$ sudo mkdir /media/jest
12:16<vitek>mkdir: невозможно создать каталог `/media/jest': Файл существует
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12:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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12:17<OdyX>(I don't know if this is effectively russian by the way
12:17<ml|>try mkdir -p /media/jest
12:17<vitek>it mean .... unfuckingbeliveable to make catalog ....
12:18<locklace>!localized errors
12:18<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
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12:18<vitek>vitek@vitek:~$ sudo mkdir -p /media/jest
12:18<vitek>vitek@vitek:~$ sudo mkdir -p /media/jest
12:18<vitek>hi is nothing to do
12:19<ml|>try to mount now
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12:19<craigevil>leeroy: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
12:20<vitek>vitek@vitek:~$ sudo mount /media/jest
12:20<vitek>mount: /dev/sda5 already mounted or /media/jest busy
12:20<vitek>smth new )
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12:22<vitek>hi see this disk in mc... but theris no some files in it... it's to strange )) because at windows there was 20gb films and others...
12:22<adb>vitek: so it is done, see this with > ls /media/jest, or > mc /media/jest ; install mc if needed
12:22<leeroy>if you have time please write me at
12:23<lirtex>Hi. I have looked through the list of packages for adoption and found one I want to adopt. What's next? What should I do or who should I contact in order to be a package maintainer?
12:24<leeroy>No userspace software suspend support in the kernel
12:24<patrikf>lirtex:, new maintainer's guide
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12:24<OdyX>vitek: have you mounted the filesystem with the correct fs ?
12:24<OdyX>filesystem sorry
12:24<patrikf>lirtex: you should read the policy and the developer's reference as well
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12:25<lirtex>patrikf: thanks.
12:25<IxITheDragonIxI>I just booted up from a CD-RW I burned the Debian Lenny AMD64 ISO onto, and it's telling me it can't load installer components.
12:25<vitek>hm.... i'm not shure...
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12:25<vitek>this isnot my disk but my friend was told than fat32
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12:27<Maku>i have decided to install debian on my laptop, so i downloaded the daily iso of unstable version, ran the installer in expert mode (to set repos as unstable) and started install, unfortunatelly, when i got to chose the kernel, i have decided to get 2.6.30-1-486, and then i got error, checked the console and anthing i could find was "missing argument" line. I tried another kernels, but i got same error again, and again...
12:28<patrikf>Maku: use the stable installer?
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12:30<leeroy>ok i have install kdebase kdm xorg
12:30<leeroy>where connet of the desktop
12:30<IxITheDragonIxI>When I want to boot from a CD-RW do I have to download the MD5SUMs?
12:30<Maku>patrikf: what's the point of using stable installer if i want to install unstable version of system?
12:31<patrikf>Maku: usually you install a stable release of debian first and then upgrade.
12:31<locklace>Maku: the point is that it actually works
12:31<bja>Maku: You get things going first. Then you get to experiment
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12:32<patrikf>Maku: and besides, when you're running unstable, you're supposed to be able solve problems on your own.
12:32<simNIX>Maku, if your just staring uot and want the satable debian you dont want unstable ...
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12:32<craigevil>Maku: install testing them dist-upgrade/full-upgrade to sid if thats what you want
12:33<Maku>ok, thanks then, gotta go for another blank cd :P
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12:33<marceloa>edquota -u marceloa -f /var/lib/tftpboot/ubuntu_dev -r
12:33<marceloa>edquota: Cannot write quota for 1162 on telexen:/var/lib/tftpboot/ubuntu_dev: Connection refused
12:34<bja>Maku: good luck
12:34<marceloa>why would I get connection refused
12:34<vitek>what me should to do to spot filesystem ???
12:34<IxITheDragonIxI>I just booted up from a CD-RW I burned the Debian Lenny AMD64 ISO onto, and it's telling me it can't load installer components.
12:34<craigevil>Maku: your better off not installing things like kde/gnome until you upgrade
12:34<stuckey>Is it a good idea to use a chroot to compile programs?
12:34<Maku>craigevil: yeah, sure
12:34<locklace>!slap leeroy
12:34*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across leeroy's face
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12:35<adb>craigevil: testing install has bugs ..
12:35<adb>dpkg: tell leeroy about suspend
12:36<craigevil>im sure it does testing always does, it usual has more than sid
12:36<adb>i means debian-installer ..
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12:37<vitek> to do KOI8-R in this irssi ? ))
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12:38<adb>dpkg: tell vitek about ntfs-3g
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12:38<craigevil>the testing d-i has a bad habit of being broken, about the only time it works is close to a release, its simple enough to use expert and change the sources.list to testing during install
12:38<leeroy>adb also mast install kde my server provider??
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12:39<adb>what ?
12:39<adb>dpkg: tell leeroy about search
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12:40<leeroy>ok then not i rent a windows server tehn its bedder
12:40<IxITheDragonIxI>Anyone wanna help me?
12:40<vitek>dpkg busy ? or it me that me should go away ? ))
12:40<dpkg>wish i knew, vitek
12:40<leeroy>linux its tioo stuppid
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12:41<stuckey>How do I create a chroot with sid? I tried using debootstrap with "sid" but i says "no such script: sid"
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12:42<vitek>i'm not shure in ... filesystem on this disk ... with adb we was try to mount it as vfat... please tell me how to type it with ntfs-3g
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12:43<adb>dpkg: tell vitek about selftell
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12:43<adb>vitek: instell ntfs-3g, and change vfat with ntfs-3g in fstab , maybe ...
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12:45<IxITheDragonIxI>I recently burned a Debian Lenny AMD64 ISO to a CD-RW and booted to it to install Debian, but when I got to loading the installer components, the installer said it couldn't. Can anybody help?
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12:50<enouf>IxITheDragonIxI: do you have a 64bit x86 CPU? and can you recall the exact error message?
12:51<gsimmons>stuckey: Does /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/sid exist?
12:51<vitek>adb maybe me should to reboot ?
12:51<IxITheDragonIxI>enouf: Yes, and it said something about checking the integrity of my disc.
12:51<adb>vitek: verify your /dev/sda5 > ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/
12:51<themill>!check iso image
12:51<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum
12:52<enouf>IxITheDragonIxI: oh, so run the 'check integrity' option
12:52<enouf>and do what dpkg just said
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12:55<IxITheDragonIxI>I only have a Verify Data option/
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12:56<stuckey>I'm trying to run "schroot -l" to list my chroots but I get an error that says: E: /etc/schroot/schroot.conf: line 13: No group specified: “description=Debian sid (unstable)”
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12:59<adb>vitek: so /dev/sda1 is present , but there is not any /dev/sda5
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13:04<craigevil>stupid bots
13:04<themill>!wb craigevil
13:04<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! craigevil has returned!
13:04<ml|>maybe it will stop soon
13:05<craigevil>crap like that makes me glad i have join/parts hidden
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13:05<stuckey>What happened?
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13:06<stuckey>I want to compile a program for debian. Should I use testing or sid?
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13:09<ml|>is it finished? hope so
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13:10<stuckey>ml|: What version of debian should I use if I want to compile a program for debian?
13:11<rudi_s>stuckey: Use any version you like, Lenny works fine.
13:11<stuckey>I want to have it put into the repository...
13:13<rudi_s>stuckey: Do you mean you want to create a new package for debian?
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13:13<stuckey>rudi_s: yes
13:16<stuckey>rudi_s: That's where I am (at 2.2) and it says to try the program out, but it doesn't say which version of debian to use.
13:17<rudi_s>stuckey: Use the version you already got; I would recommend Lenny for you.
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13:17<stuckey>rudi_s: Okay. I need higher versions of a certain library so I think I might should use sid since it already has those.
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13:18<rudi_s>stuckey: Only use sid if you know what you're doing! If you only need some newer libraries just compile them yourself.
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13:19<patrikf>or testing + pinning
13:19<patrikf>still better than pure sid
13:19<stuckey>rudi_s: wouldn't it be easier though, just to make this inside of a chroot using sid instead of installing the newer version of libboost?
13:21<rudi_s>stuckey: I don't know, never tried it .. I'm happy with stable.
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13:26<bremner>stuckey: use pbuilder or cowbuilder to test your package in sid
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13:32<valdyn>stuckey: which program?
13:33<valdyn>stuckey: why do you think it needs newer libboost to *compile* ?
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13:34<johnfg>hi folks
13:35<johnfg>Been running debian for quite a while. Is there a seemless, painless upgrade to squeeze?
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13:35<johnfg>Meant to say lenny.
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13:36<locklace>johnfg: from what
13:36<bja>johnfg: Depends where you are standing?
13:36<johnfg>locklace, from lenny to squeeze?
13:36<locklace>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
13:36<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while. If you don't know what that means or why that would be, stick with lenny. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
13:37<johnfg>bja, OK, thanks. I like lenny a lot, and have no problems. Just wondered about squeeze, but the message from dpkg answered it.
13:37<johnfg>btw, bja What are you running?
13:38<bja>johnfg: lenny as a host and on a vm (qemu) squeeze
13:38<hilacha3>hi all. plz, after the recent dist-upgrade, my x windows go beyond the border from the gnome panel. anyones knows how to solve it, or which is the package with the bug to search for?
13:39<johnfg>bja, I've actually found that for me, Sun VirtualBox did a whole lot better than qemu.
13:39<johnfg>But it may be because of the hardware on my laptop.
13:40<bja>johnfg: I have virtualbox on my list of vm's to try, just need the time to do it 8)
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13:41<johnfg>Really painless, but I found sun's rpm better than what was in the apt repo.
13:42<johnfg>bja, Sorry, I did just the *opposite*!
13:43<johnfg>Sun's did not work, so I did an apt-get install, and works great.
13:44<hilacha3>where is the better channel to search by recent upgrades problems?
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13:45<johnfg>bja, Where's the iso for squeeze? I'm looking at and don't find it.
13:45<johnfg>I think I'll do like you and try squeeze in a vm.
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13:46<johnfg>dpkg sqeeze
13:46<dpkg>johnfg: no idea
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13:49<johnfg>sney, Is there not a full dvd? And can I got the netinst.iso in a vm?
13:49<johnfg>And can I use the netinst.iso in a vm?
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13:49<sney>as long as it has network connectivity, yes. most vms emulate a common network adapter
13:49<sney>e.g. one that would be supported without additional drivers
13:50<sney>since testing is more in flux than stable, it's kept as a netinst so you get the most recent version, as that's the whole point
13:51<johnfg>OK, and virtualbox seems to have real good network connectivity.
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14:03<msoos>I have a problem with KDE: in krunner, I get two icons for almost every app. One is the old, low-res icon, the other is the high-res icon theme I set in systemsettings
14:04<msoos>Everyone is asleep. Interesting
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14:05<dr|zed>Hi. How I can uninstall debian and change to Ubuntu?
14:05<patrikf>dr|z3d, just install ubuntu?
14:05<msoos>dr|zed: there are a couple of ways, and I guess you simply need to google it
14:05<patrikf>it's not like you had to "uninstall" debian
14:05<msoos>patrikf: I am afraid you do
14:06<dr|zed>Debian broken my pc.
14:06<msoos>patrikf: the config file layout is not exactly the same, i am sure
14:06<msoos>dr|zed: how did it break the pc?
14:06<patrikf>msoos: that's why I suggested a clean install.
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14:07<dr|zed>Debian is the shittiest piece of software ever written.
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14:08<locklace>hehe, a fake dr|z3d troll
14:08*bremner offers dr|zed his/her money back
14:08<dr|zed>locklace, are you smoking crack?
14:08<locklace>!lart dr|zed
14:08*dpkg --purges dr|zed
14:09<msoos>dr|zed: what? why would it be bad?
14:09<dr|zed>msoos, compromissing your sanity\
14:09<locklace>dr|zed: your spelling is a lot worse than the real one
14:11<msoos>Now, please give constructive criticism
14:11<msoos>saying "it
14:11<msoos>'s s*it doesn't help anyone"
14:11<locklace>he's a troll. "constructive" isn't in the troll manual.
14:11<dr|zed>Ubuntu have more packages and stuff, it's updated each 6 months
14:11<msoos>OK, now. I am not a troll, and I have a valid question:
14:12<msoos>I have a problem with KDE: in krunner, I get two icons for almost every app. One is the old, low-res icon, the other is the high-res icon theme I set in systemsettings
14:12<dr|zed>Ubuntu is better
14:12<msoos>Do you know how to get this fixed?
14:12<msoos>I guess it's a config problem, but I guess it's a low-level config, I probably need to hand-edit the config files
14:12<bja>!start distro war
14:12<dr|zed>Debian just is upgraded when all piece off software is outdated
14:13<msoos>dr|zed: then use testing. Ubuntu uses it...
14:13<msoos>Anybody up for my valid problem?
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14:13<bremner>msoos: just ignore him. He will go away or be kicked eventually.
14:13<dr|zed>In 1000 years of debian how many new versions come out?
14:14<dr|zed>Debian SUCKS
14:14<msoos>bremner: any clue about my problem?
14:14<dr|z3d>!ops please dr|zed is a fake, and a troll.
14:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: please dr|zed is a fake, and a troll.
14:14<bremner>msoos: sorry, not using KDE
14:15<msoos>bremner: you should be ;)
14:15<msoos>(just joking)
14:15<dr|zed>!ops please msoos is calling me a fake, warn him
14:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|zed complains about: please msoos is calling me a fake, warn him
14:15<dr|z3d>You've already been banned from #tor, "dr|zed".
14:17<dr|zed>!ops dr|z3d is a fake.
14:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|zed complains about: dr|z3d is a fake.
14:17<dr|zed>!ops the real one
14:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|zed complains about: the real one
14:17<msoos>oh well, I see the channel is well-managed ;)
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14:18<curious>dr|zed, the troll keep faking you?
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14:18<dr|z3d>Thanks, Maulkin
14:19<curious>No, Maulkin . dr|z3d is the fake one
14:19<stuckey>If I build a program in Sid, can I run it in Lenny?
14:19<bremner>stuckey: typically not
14:19<curious>I am in #tor
14:19<stew>curious: what do you mean by fake?
14:20<stuckey>bremner: But aren't there different types of dependencies?
14:20<curious>dr|z3d != dr|zed
14:20<bremner>stuckey: dynamic libraries are different
14:20<stuckey>bremner: I'm making a package (or trying to) and I thought the best thing to use would be Sid since Sid has all of the dependencies I need to build a piece of software.
14:20<dr|z3d>Well done, curious, you just outed yourself.
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14:21<bremner>stuckey: and?
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14:21<@Maulkin>(They would have been better keeping quiet there...)
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14:21<dr|z3d>Indeed. He's been sleeping in #tor channels for far too long. :)
14:21<stuckey>bremner: This is the first time I've done this so I'm just wondering if I'm going about it the right wya.
14:22<bremner>stuckey: well, if make a package for the debian archive, it won't run in stable until the next stable release, unless you make a backport
14:22<llutz>stuckey: you are using sid?
14:22<stuckey>bremner: I understand that.
14:22<stuckey>llutz: I'm running lenny but building in Sid
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14:22<llutz>stuckey: so you don't want to use, just build that package?
14:23<stuckey>llutz: I'd like to also use it. Honestly, I'm just following section 2.2 of the Debian New Maintainer's guide, entitled "Get the program and try it out".
14:23<msoos>I have a problem with KDE: in krunner, I get two icons for almost every app. One is the old, low-res icon, the other is the high-res icon theme I set in systemsettings. Anyone any clue?
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14:24<llutz>stuckey: that makes no sense to me. build that package for the version (lenny/squeeze/sid) you are using
14:24<stuckey>llutz: Lenny doesn't satisify the dependencies
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14:25<llutz>so build the dependencies too
14:26<stuckey>llutz: How do I build the dependencies?
14:26<msoos>llutz: you can also link statically
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14:28<sney>if you need dependencies, the -dev packages in apt will usually suffice
14:28<sney>and if you don't know how to build source packages what the heck are you doing styling yourself a package maintainer
14:29<stuckey>sney: I need libboost > 1.38
14:29<stuckey>sney: You want to package this program?
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14:30<sney>ok this is how it works
14:30<sney>open a terminal, then type aptitude search (lib you need)-dev
14:30<sney>when you find it, use aptitude to install it
14:31<stuckey>Then what?
14:31<sney>then follow the directions in the INSTALL text file in the source tarball you found.
14:32<stuckey>Which directions?
14:32<stuckey>In the source of the program?
14:32<stuckey>Okay... then what?
14:33<stuckey>sney: I think you might have missed out on the fact that I need a version newer than that which is available in lenny to build this program.
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14:35<Zviper>anyone know how to delete a collection of files faster? rm -rf is taking ages
14:37<sney>no that's pretty much it
14:37<patrikf>Zviper: that's not rm -rf's fault, but your filesystem's.
14:37<Zviper>what would i do to speed up the process?
14:37<dkr>Zviper: rm -rf foo & and then do something else. :)
14:37<Zviper>what does foo do?
14:37<sney>stuckey: what you can do is download the source of the dependency you need, build that (but don't install it) and tell make where to look for that specific lib... but I'm not going to walk you through the whole procedure
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14:38<dkr>it's a metasyntactic variable indicating to replace it with whatever you want
14:38<dkr>i.e. whatever it is you are deleting
14:38<stuckey>sney: Oh, so that's how this is done?
14:38<stuckey>sney: I think I can do it myself, thanks :)
14:38<Zviper>oh so how would '&' speed it up?
14:39<stuckey>sney: So I just ran dh_make but it didn't create an upstream tarball.
14:39<dkr>Zviper: it wouldn't really. that would just background the process so you have your prompt back and can do other things while the delete goes on behind the scenes so to say
14:40<Zviper>oooo ok
14:41<stuckey>What do I do if dh_make doesn't create a tarball?
14:42<stuckey>It says Source archive you specified ( ../spring- ) was not found!
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14:56<stuckey>Could anyone help me with using dh_make? It doesn't create a tarball when I run it, and it exists with Source archive you specified ( ../spring- ) was not found!
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14:56<hilacha3>hi all. plz, after the recent dist-upgrade, my x windows go beyond the border from the gnome panel. anyones knows how to solve it, or which is the package with the bug to search for?
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14:57<xc1024>hi guys
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14:59<paggas>j #oftc
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15:04<djfjnd>anyone been setting up tb-5300 tablet on debian? i succeeded on ubuntu, but on debian doesn't work.
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15:05<Acry>Nothing on debian works fine.
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15:06<stuckey>Could anyone help me with using dh_make? It doesn't create a tarball when I run it, and it exists with Source archive you specified ( ../spring- ) was not found!
15:07<paggas>Acry: where is the upvote button? :P
15:07<Acry>You tried it out in another _working_ distro?
15:08<paggas>Acry: i didn't mean that, just liked your reply :)
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15:13<dondelelcaro>stuckey: dh_make doesn't create tarballs. Given a directory with an appropriately named .orig.tar.gz outside, it generates a debian directory
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15:14<Acry>paggas, wth you are talking about?
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15:14<dr|z3d>!ops we have a few trolls in channel with tor hostmasks. Let's start with arma_
15:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: we have a few trolls in channel with tor hostmasks. Let's start with arma_
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15:15<stuckey>dondelelcaro: oh, so I need the directory and the tarball outside of it?
15:15<stuckey>Didn't know that
15:15<Maulkin>Will monitor
15:16<dr|z3d>Maulkin: Talking down Debian seems to be a signature tune.
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15:17<stuckey>dondelelcaro: Works now, thanks :)
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15:19<paggas>Acry: i was joking, nevermind :|
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15:23<stuckey>Where should programs install themselves to on Debian?
15:23<dr|z3d>-> /usr/bin mostly.
15:24<stuckey>But normally programs install themselves into /usr/local
15:24<paggas>stuckey: also /usr/lib for libraries, /usr/share for data files
15:25<paggas>stuckey: programs installed without using apt are indeed installed under /usr/local (and they should anyway) :)
15:25<paggas>stuckey: the rest of /usr is left to the management of apt
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15:27<debian_hater>I hate debian.
15:27-!-mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ
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15:29<debian_hater>Maulkin, dumb shit
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15:30*themill enters the ops into the "synchronised opping" competition in place of the synchronised swimming at the next Olympics
15:30<anodesni>Hi, I just add the debian multimedia repositories to my sources.list and now there are 12 new updates. The update manager starts and it says: "Not all updates can be installed" and I can choose for smart upgrade. What should I do?
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15:32<paggas>anodesni: you did apt-get update after changing sources.list?
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15:33<paggas>anodesni: aren't you getting any more specific error messages?
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15:33<stuckey>How colourfull
15:33<anodesni>paggas, it's not an error message
15:33<themill>anodesni: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude full-upgrade"
15:33<paggas>anodesni: you are using synaptic?
15:33<anodesni>paggas, the update manager
15:34-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*debian_ha@*] by Ganneff
15:34<paggas>anodesni: seems like there were some conflicts, not sure though, i personally use aptitude
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15:34<Nazcafan>is that "need" to be registered a new rule?
15:37<anodesni>themill, here is it
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15:37<sney>Nazcafan: it just gets turned on when we get trolls, I think.
15:38<stuckey>Could anyone tell me what I need to change in this Makefile in order to satisfy 3.1 of the maintainer's guide?
15:38<sney>being registered doesn't hurt though
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15:38<Nazcafan>sney, ah
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15:39<zhabe>hello guys
15:39<zhabe>i've bben stucked while configuring Freeradsiu on my Debian Lenny 5.0.1
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15:39<reet>Try Ubuntu zhabe
15:39<@Ganneff>reet: and that makes what difference?
15:39<Acry>reet, indeed
15:39<zhabe>i tried debian
15:40<zhabe>don't start trolling plz
15:40<@Ganneff>reet: unless you want to really help - shutup please. thanks.
15:40<dr|z3d>Ganneff: Pick 'em off one by one.. trolls ahoy!
15:40<sney>sunday seems to have overflowed into monday
15:40<bremner>stuckey: like the file says, don't edit, edit the Cmakewhatever that generated it.
15:40<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
15:40<dpkg>Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday
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15:41<zhabe>so i've compiled my radsiu to use openssl libs for eap/peap modules
15:41<zhabe>usernames and passwords stored in my sql
15:41<anodesni>what's the difference between smart upgrade and default upgrade?
15:41<zhabe>everything is great
15:41<stuckey>bremner: oh haha, oops.
15:42<zhabe>until i tried t operform parallel autorisation using ntlm from 2003 ad
15:42<zhabe>To perform
15:42<stuckey>bremner: HOw do I tell which one made it?
15:43<zhabe>and now everything stopped
15:43<zhabe>i recieve chap error
15:43<zhabe>every time i'm trying to authenticate
15:44<zhabe>my user from any nas - swith or ap. whatever
15:45<zhabe>does anybody have an experience in this?
15:45<zhabe>is it possible?
15:45<locklace>!space bar
15:45<dpkg>The space bar is the correct way to separate connected sentences on IRC. Please use it. The Return/Enter key is not a substitute.
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15:46<Acry>zhabe, Debian achieved an amazing milestone: for the first time in history an encryption library is able to generate the unbelievable amount of 32,768 distinct encryption keys.
15:46<zhabe>щрб ьн
15:46<zhabe>oh, my
15:47<zhabe>so, according to my question? any clues?
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15:47<bremner>stuckey: you have to understand CMake, which I don't
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15:49<Acry>zhabe, you tried it in a decent system already?
15:50<dr|z3d>Acry: Knock off the trolling.. I pre-emptively banned you from #tor for this very reason.
15:51<zhabe>Acry, sorry, what do you mean?
15:51<themill>zhabe: just ignore Acry, he's not here to help
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15:52<zhabe>i c. another troll))
15:52<Acry>zhabe, whatever new that you try onm debian won't be stable.
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15:52<Acry>Nothing will works entirely stable
15:53<zhabe>so maybe someone could have the same problem? did anybody mix authentication methods on your radius servers?
15:53<themill>Acry: do you have a specific debian support question? If not, please be silent or leave.
15:53<Acry>Oh god, we work hard to make out system stable, But nobody will use stable stuff because when it reach the stable lvl we are using flying cars...
15:53<Acry>we will
15:54<Acry>we will be
15:54<locklace>wow, you even suck at trolling. talk about a failed life.
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15:54<Acry>locklace, like yours?
15:55-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*ebian-tor@*] by Ganneff
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15:55<dkr>locklace: it's not a failed troll if it provokes a response. ignore him
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15:55<MoiraA>hello LoRez
15:55<LoRez>what's this? hunt me down in random channels day?
15:56*MoiraA recognises a few familiar nicks
15:56<stuckey>Anyone here understand cmake?
15:57<Slurb>i know that its the c version of make
15:57<stuckey>Do you know how to change the makefile?
15:57<Slurb>try googling cmake wiki or try man cmake
15:58-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*user@*] by Ganneff
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15:58<@Ganneff>anyone else? please lineup, trolls.
15:58<koollman>hmm. no, I'm fine today, thanks.
15:58<stuckey>Is this normal?
15:58<zhabe>hey, men who is familiar to radius servisec?
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16:00<zhabe>does anybody use freeradius ??
16:01<locklace>dpkg: qotd245 is <reply><stuckey> Anyone here understand cmake? <Slurb> i know that its the c version of make
16:01<dpkg>okay, locklace
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16:02<zhabe>Ganeef, maybe you can help me?
16:02<zhabe>Gannef, sorry
16:03<@Ganneff>zhabe: no.
16:03<MoiraA>LoRez you overestimate your desirability
16:03<reet>zhabe, Don't be stupid
16:03-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*user@*] by Ganneff
16:03<reet>Install Ubuntu.
16:03<MoiraA>I am merely checking nobody coming here as MoiraA_ has reached this channel
16:03-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*ebian-tor@*] by Ganneff
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16:03<MoiraA>it is not my fault if you are everywhere
16:03<@Ganneff>zhabe: you might want a more freeradius specific channel somewhere
16:04<sney>man, the trolls are really out in spades today
16:04<zhabe>myabe you're right
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16:04<zhabe>it's not a debian's problems
16:04<zhabe>os qorks fine
16:04<zhabe>*works fine
16:04<@Ganneff>zhabe: also, you might find more people using it there...
16:04<MoiraA>zhabe, hello again :)
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16:16<zhabe>hello, MoiraA
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16:19<MoiraA>you a regular user zhabe ?
16:19<MoiraA>what do the two bots do?
16:19<MoiraA>debhelper and Ganeff?
16:20<@Ganneff>this isnt a chat channel. unless you have a debian support topic please chat elsewhere
16:20<zhabe>i'm new to this portal. tried to resolve my peoblem
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16:21<@Ganneff>zhabe: you wont have much luck in here i fear. try looking for a more (free)radius oriented support way. like an irc channel from them, a mailing list or something like that
16:22<MoiraA>apologies Ganneff I thought it was, are you not a bot then?
16:22<MoiraA>clearly not
16:22<MoiraA>I'll not clutter the place up, I just needed to check you hadn't got my alt nick spamming you and people assuming it was me
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16:27<stuckey>Okay so, I've been able install a program to /tmp, and it created a bin lib and share in tmp. Does that mean I've satisfied section 3.1 of the new maintainer's guide?
16:27<@Ganneff>you want #debian-mentors
16:27<@Ganneff>and you dont install to /tmp
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16:28<Zviper>i have a load of about 10 right now, how can i trace what is causing that? top doesn'\t show much..
16:29<Zviper>700mb out of 8gb ram is being used
16:31<stuckey>Ganneff: Thanks
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16:34<bja>Zviper: whats the output of free
16:34<bja>Zviper: vmstat 5 5 ignore the first line as it is the average
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16:35<stew>!am I swapping
16:35<dpkg>run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping
16:35<Maulkin>ta stew
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16:43<Zviper> total used free shared buffers cached
16:43<Zviper>Mem: 8287468 8024944 262524 0 34740 7259564
16:43<Zviper>-/+ buffers/cache: 730640 7556828
16:43<Zviper>Swap: 522452 68 522384
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16:43<Zviper>did that all get through?
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16:45<rudi_s>Zviper: No, use a pastebin.
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16:46<Zviper>what am i running again? vmstat 5 5?
16:46<ml|>in X is beeping on by default like in tty?
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16:47<rudi_s>ml|: I think so, it's at least for me.
16:48<bja>Zviper: vmstat 5 5 (takes 5 samples each 5 secs appart)
16:48<ml|>hmm i get no beeps here
16:50<bja>Zviper: yep you are swapping a lot
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16:50<Zviper>remind me what swapping means again? :P
16:51<INNShore>Zviper, hi
16:53<Zviper>dpkg says if the so column aren't all 0's then i am swapping
16:53<dpkg>Zviper: I don't know, could you explain it?
16:55<bja>Zviper: long story short, swapping is using disk as extra ram,
16:55<Zviper>so is there any reason for it to be swapping when like 7gb of ram is available?
16:56<bja>Zviper: top should give you the answer
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16:56<Zviper>what am i looking for in top?
16:56<bja>Zviper: also ps -AF should give you a hint
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16:57<bja>Zviper: long operation times of a io intensive program, ...
16:57<bja>Zviper: lots of torrent clients ??
16:57<bja>Zviper: Lots of possibilities
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16:58<Zviper>do you know how i could go about optimizing so there is minimal problems?
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17:00<Zviper>im running many torrent clients, about 7 deluge and 2 rtorrents
17:00<Zviper>RAM is at about 700mb but the cpu seems to be suffering the most. it's a quad core.
17:00<bja>Zviper: Thats something, you have to do yourself, Take into account what you need the machine for
17:01<Zviper>i realize that, but if i knew what steps to take i wouldn't be asking you
17:01<Zviper>i suppose getting rid of the swap wouldn't be the answer would it..
17:01<bja>Zviper: Most of the time your system is waiting for input or output to a disk, You migh ban the use of torrents
17:02<bja>Zviper: bad idea, if you get rid of swap you get a kernel panic whenever you run out of ram :(
17:03<Zviper>oh the box is dedicated for torrenting
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17:04<bja>Zviper: then have a single program handle all the torrents so it can manage also the io
17:04<Zviper>what are the chances of me running out of ram when im using 700mb out of 8gb and don't plan on running anymore clients?
17:05<Zviper>if i did that then everyone could see what everyone else is downloading which wouldn't be ideal..
17:05<bja>Zviper: your bottleneck might not be swapping, but a lot of disk acces
17:06<Zviper>hmm this is making me wonder if my raid is setup correctly..
17:06<bremner>any numerical software experts? I'm getting mystifying messages trying to link to blas and lapack . This builds find on other machines, so probably my lenny+sid mishmash has some bad combination of packages.
17:06<bja>Zviper: or that your users are just abusing your machine
17:06<Zviper>no, i don't think it's that
17:07<bja>Zviper: I believe you can limit the bandwith of each user
17:07<Zviper>do you mean overall machine bandwidth or bandwidth of the internet connection?
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17:08<bja>Zviper: Bandwith of the Internet connection that will limit the acces to disk of each user, balancing the load of the server
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17:10<Zviper>is there a way to monitor global b/w ?
17:10<bja>Zviper: there should be, google it, I don't know how
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17:11<Zviper>ah ntop
17:12<locklace>bremner: looks like you're missing a gfortran library and maybe your blas and lapack versions aren't compatible
17:13<Zviper>i need to figure out how to optimize everything other than limiting b/w
17:13<Slurb>how do i control how usb gets mounted
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17:13<Slurb>i want it under usbusers so i can use usb on a virt machine
17:14<Zviper>bja: also, torrent clients usually do hash checks. would you know what i could do to optimize those?
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17:14<dondelelcaro>Zviper: those are generally IO limited, so there's not much you can do about it besides getting a faster drive
17:15<bja>Zviper: I'm no expert, but as usual with torrent clients, no matter how big a bandwith you have, people want more
17:16<bja>Zviper: you could get a raid array for every user, but i believe that to be an overkill :)
17:16<Zviper>well i've got a raid0 setup right now, is there anyway to optimize that?
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17:17<bja>Zviper: It might perfectly optimized for its capabilities, you need more speed :)
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17:17<Zviper>well i mean, the box has a gbit connection. wouldn't the company set it up so it can handle the speeds?
17:18<Zviper>and it does get excellent speeds btw
17:18<bja>Zviper: Guess they missed that tiny detail
17:18<dr|z3d>Chances are it's all working fine and should be left alone, Zviper
17:19<dr|z3d>Do some disk benchmarks if you're in doubt.
17:19<Zviper>well with a server load of 10 it's hard to believe that
17:20<dr|z3d>Hmm? Server load of 10? What do you mean by that?
17:20<Zviper>err cpu load
17:20<bja>Zviper: do as dr|z3d says, you might find interesting numbers there
17:20<Zviper>i assume i'd have to stop everything on the box?
17:21<dr|z3d>There is an overhead on raid, and differing solutions vary in how much they stress the cpu.
17:21<bja>Zviper: Do an experiment, kill just one torrent client to see what happens ? You will only get one angry user :)
17:21<bremner>locklace: thanks, replace lapack with atlas seemed to do the trick. The gfortran thing was a red herring I guess.
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17:24<Zviper>i ran ntop and this is what it says over and over again
17:24<Zviper>Mon 22 Jun 2009 23:23:50 CEST **WARNING** packet truncated (19034->8232)
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17:31<Zviper>so disabling swap wouldn't solve much?
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17:33<bja>Zviper: Try finetunning the torrent clients config, it will do more to your system perfromance that swapping
17:33<bja>Zviper: if you type free it will show you how much swap spaces you are using now
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17:34<Zviper> total used free
17:34<Zviper>Swap: 522452 64 522388
17:35<Zviper>used 64?
17:35<bja>Zviper: you used it at least once, the torrents are making the full system wait for io
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17:37<taerix>So I have a pretty general question.
17:37<taerix>I have a debian server I set up that had like half a year of uptime.
17:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
17:38<taerix>In any case, it just randomly seems to lock up now. The network goes out, and the display just goes blank.
17:38<taerix>But the motherboard lights stay on, and it seems like everything else is still running.
17:39<taerix>I'm thinking it might just be old hardware..? Any idea what could cause this?
17:40<nosklo>taerix: run a memory test on the machine
17:40<taerix>I've run memory tests and it comes up without errors.
17:40<taerix>That was my first guess, but it doesn't seem like that's the issue.
17:40<taerix>The server stays up for a day or two max now.
17:41<taerix>Could the memtest be giving false results?
17:41<bja>taerix: anything new on the server room?
17:41<locklace>Zviper: aptitude install dstat iotop iftop
17:41<taerix>Someone installed a new server, but it's only connected to the same switch and nothing else.
17:42<taerix>Another guess is that it slightly raised the temp, and that's making it glitch out. But that doesn't seem very likely...
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17:43<taerix>Also, the new server was around for two or three weeks before I started having this problem.
17:44<taerix>So I doubt it's related.
17:44<Zviper>:o locklace to the rescue?
17:44<bja>taerix: Don't rule it out until proven inocent :)
17:45<bja>taerix: Do the logs say anything?
17:45<taerix>I've checked syslog and it gives no clues at all. Are there other logs that might be relevant?
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17:46<AndiSHFR>taerix: Damaged PU?
17:46<bja>taerix: daemon.log
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17:46<taerix>bja: I checked that also, nothing unusual.
17:47<taerix>AndiSHFR: what is PU?
17:47<AndiSHFR>taerix: Power Unit
17:47<taerix>AndiSHFR: That's definitely a possibility. The hardware is a couple of years old now. Could that cause the system to lock up though, which it's still running?
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17:49<AndiSHFR>taerix: maybe one of the lines (5V, 12V) is/goes bad (less voltage, less power) pulling the machine in to this state.
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17:49<Zviper>locklace: bear with me, this is taking forever to install
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17:50<taerix>AndiSHFR: Hmm... Ok. Is there any easy way for me to check that?
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17:51<bja>taerix: is the switch ok?
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17:53<taerix>bja: The switch is also really old, but it seems to be working fine. The problem can't just be with the switch though, because that wouldn't explain why the display goes down also.
17:53<taerix>bja: When it gets into the frozen state, if I plug a monitor in it recognizes the signal and turns gray, but won't display anything.
17:54<bja>taerix: You have a ghost on your system
17:54<taerix>bja: Nuts. I'll call ghostbusters.
17:55<bja>taerix: a ghost is a hardware failure that is very difficult to spot that is breaking havoc with various subsystems
17:55<bja>taerix: Electical engineering slang :)
17:55<taerix>bja: Heh, I figured it was something like that.
17:56<bja>taerix: I would look for faulty powercables, usually those connected to the electical ground.
17:56<AndiSHFR>taerix: maybe you can run the system with kernel output to the serial port and connect another pc to that to see if anything is running or shonwing up when system is locked up.
17:56<bja>taerix: Have there been lightning storms around lately ?
17:56<AndiSHFR>taerix: If someone connected another server recently maybe also a grounding problem.
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17:57<bja>taerix: also if the new server is faulty the failure can break havoc on you old one.
17:57<taerix>There weren't any storms when this started happening.
17:57<taerix>Faulty power does seem like it might be the culprit.
17:58<Zviper>ok locklace, i have them installed
17:58<bja>have your electical ground tested and try running your old server on a different voltage circuit
17:58<taerix>bja: Alright, I can do that.
17:58<taerix>bja and AndiSHFR: Thanks a ton for your help. I really appreciate it.
17:59<Zviper>i get this error - Linux >= 2.6.20 with I/O accounting support: Not found when running iotop
17:59<bja>taerix: good luck
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18:10<magyar>hi, i have a package that is stuck and cannot be removed, how can i force removal?
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18:11<Zviper>use the -f switch?
18:11<magyar>dpkg: error processing roundcube-core (--remove):
18:11<dpkg>magyar: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
18:11<abrotman>magyar: put the error in a pastebin
18:11<magyar> subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 10
18:11<abrotman>the whole thing
18:11<themill>magyar: including the command that generated it
18:12<Cagliostro>Hi, I am not sure if I should be asking this here or somewhere focusing on epiphany, but I cannot get hulu to stream in epiphany yet it works fine in iceweasel. Flash seems to play fine save on hulu.
18:13<themill>magyar: what version of debian are you running? Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude -f remove"
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18:14<abrotman>magyar: could you put a 'set -x' after the shebang in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/roundcube-core.postrm ?
18:14<abrotman>and try again and paste the output
18:15<magyar>themill: lenny
18:15<themill>magyar: roundcube isn't in lenny. How did you install it?
18:15*abrotman waits for his results
18:16<magyar>themill: download from "pool/main/r/roundcube"
18:16<magyar>abrotman: one sec
18:16<abrotman>themill: see .. what could go wrong there
18:16<magyar>abrotman: "shebang" you mean at the very end?
18:16<abrotman>no .. the #! at the top
18:16<abrotman>on the line oafter that .. put a 'set -x'
18:18<magyar>it's a pisser, rouncube was in lenny and just before the release it got yanked. :(
18:18<abrotman>that's it ?
18:19<magyar>hmm, thats the output i got
18:19<magyar>one sec
18:19<magyar>abrotman: set -x << it removed the software already
18:20<magyar>sweet, thank you
18:20<abrotman>uhm .. okay then
18:20<magyar>it's not there anymore
18:20<magyar>well, it wasn't really installed to begin with, i tried installing but there is a bunch of dependencies
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18:54<dpkg><{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd
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19:10<troy|work>I've been trying to find the squeeze netboot.tar.gz file for about 2 hours now. They all seem to be linking to the lenny installer. When I untar the netboot.tar.gz file from the version.txt file says it is for lenny.
19:11<troy|work>Does anyone know where to find the squeeze netboot.tar.gz?
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19:14<abrotman>why not use the lenny one?
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19:15<troy|work>want to test with some obscure hardware
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19:26<davi>What package for glib 1.2 in Debian lenny?
19:26<abrotman>davi: apt-cache search libglib
19:27<abrotman>troy|work: .. it's right there ?
19:28<abrotman>troy|work: it's entirely possible it hasn't really changed .. squeeze still has the same kernel as lenny
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19:28<davi>thanks abrotma
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19:31<troy|work>aha.. yes. That seems logical. Thanks abrotman
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19:45<Slurb>anyone in here on sid?
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19:46<themill>Slurb: assume yes and ask your real question
19:47<Slurb>wine will not install on sid
19:47<Slurb>is there a way to force an installation even if a required package breaks other packages
19:47<themill>!btssmite Slurb
19:47*dpkg beats Slurb around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if Slurb is running testing or unstable
19:48<craigevil>Slurb: wait a day or two
19:48<Slurb>it does everything i want and is stable as of yet
19:48*NCommander notes !btssmite is one of the most awesome bot commands of all time :-)
19:49<Slurb>i installed sid the right way
19:49<craigevil>running sid if things do not want to install or want to be remove in an update just wait a couple of days they usually get fixed
19:50<themill>or better, work out how to fix them and submit patches
19:50<craigevil>its not usually bugs its things like -data etc dont match the main package
19:50<Slurb>how do you control how apt sees things
19:51<themill>!dbugs 533503
19:51<dpkg>DONE:#533503:G[libc6-i386] libc6-i386 must use Breaks instead of Conflicts (); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:24:01 UTC []
19:51<Slurb>how can i fix that bug
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19:52<themill>Slurb: is that the right bug? You've not actually told us anything useful yet.... I'm working on shear guesswork here
19:54<Slurb>yes i think thats it
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19:55<Slurb>when i try to install it kicks an error that libc6-i386 breaks another 6 packages if installed
19:55<Chrono>Hey guys, just registered person can enter on channel now?
19:57<ml|>Chrono: you are in already
19:57<Chrono>Well, lets go the doubt: Until yesterday wen i maximize a window it shows the button exit (X) and others like minimize and maximize.
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19:58<ml|>Chrono: what is your native language?
19:59<Chrono>i would like Help in english
20:00<Chrono>But, since then, when it maximize these buttons be before gnome panel
20:00<Chrono>like, if i move gnome panel these buttons appear
20:01<Chrono>if it was there, they stay before that
20:01<themill>Slurb: that bug should be fixed in the latest upload of libc6
20:01<Chrono>Screenshots must help
20:01<ml|>!coffee themill
20:01*dpkg decants a fine brew of fair trade International Roast Caterers Blend for themill, courtesy of ml|
20:02<Slurb>hope so
20:02<ml|>Chrono: yes a screenshot or two might help
20:02<themill>ml|: hardly the most lovely brew I've ever tasted, but thanks all the same....
20:03<Chrono>how to send over irc?
20:03<ml|>hehe, tell dpkg ;)
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20:05<Chrono> with menu on right position
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20:06<VelvetElvis>what's the url of the page that shows how long packages have to whait to enter testing and what's blocking them?
20:06<Chrono> (menu moved)
20:06<Chrono>did you understand whats the problem?
20:07<themill>VelvetElvis: or /msg dpkg why is packagename not in testing
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20:08<Slurb>!idbugs 534238
20:09<VelvetElvis>that's not the one I was looking for. there's a page that lists all the packages that are waiting to enter testing and how many days they have left
20:09<Slurb>!dbugs 534238
20:09<Slurb>idbugs 534238
20:09<Slurb>not working for me
20:09<Slurb>but thats the bug
20:10<Slurb>package wine is broken in unstable
20:10<themill>dpkg, ping
20:10<VelvetElvis>I found it
20:10<Chrono>dpkg is off
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20:10<ml|>VelvetElvis: ok, don't the one you are lokking for, but you can server on that apge
20:11<Chrono><ml|> did you see my screenshots?
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20:11<ml|>Chrono: yes, all i can think of is to manually resize it
20:11<Chrono>dpkg quit. It will never do again
20:12<themill>dondelelcaro: can you revive dpkg for us? Thanks.
20:13<Chrono><ml|> but it will be permanently? i resize the window everytime, but when maximize, it ever go the same way again
20:13<Chrono>there is a way to "tell" window that it cant go after panel bondaries?
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20:16<Chrono>do you know how <ml|>? Anyone know how?
20:16<ml|>Chrono: i understand, but i have no idea sorry
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20:16<Chrono>hum, anyone knows hot to fix it?
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20:17<Chrono>what is the channel of gnome on this server?
20:18<Chrono>(or what is the best gnome channel?)
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20:20<Chrono>or better, where must i found some help about it
20:21<ml|>look at the screenshot you pasted ;)
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20:22<Chrono>whats up whith it?
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20:25<ml|>Chrono: it will tell where to get help
20:26<Chrono>ok, i look at it. nothing found. can you be more specific?
20:27<ml|>read line 7
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20:31<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
20:31<SuperMiguel>what kind of fonts u guys use in iceweasel? the deafult serif one?
20:33<ml|>DejaVu Sans Mono, but i have let pages use thier own fonts
20:34<SuperMiguel>websites like
20:34<SuperMiguel>the font looks kinda weird
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20:35<ml|>looks fine here
20:35<adb>here too
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20:36<ml|>adb: sup
20:36<SuperMiguel>the other thing is that flash videos they lagg.. using Swfdec 0.6.0
20:36<SuperMiguel>u guys use that or u guys use the adobe one?
20:36<adb>ml|: sup+
20:37<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
20:37<ml|>SuperMiguel: uninstall swfdec and try dmm one
20:37<dpkg>it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
20:38<ml|>SuperMiguel: on lenny?
20:38<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about dmm lenny
20:39<ml|>read msg from dpkg
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20:41<ml|>SuperMiguel: install this one after you your sources.list setup ... flashplayer-mozilla
20:42<SuperMiguel>ml|, ?
20:42<ml|>s/you your/your done/
20:42<abrotman>holy crap ..
20:42<ml|>yeah :P
20:43*abrotman watches the battle of the three-letter nicks ...
20:43<ml|>abrotman: ??
20:44<stew>i only see one
20:44<sney>| isn't a letter
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20:44<ml|>stew: correct and sney ;)
20:45*ml| carries a pipe with him just incase :)
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20:53<Slurb>ill just run wine out of my 32bit sid chroot
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21:18<SuperMiguel>what was the name of the flash package?
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21:20<abrotman>!info flashplugin-nonfree
21:21<dpkg>flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 1:2.6 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 128 kB
21:21<ml|>SuperMiguel: flashplayer-mozilla in dmm
21:22<SuperMiguel>ml|, how u remove the wfdec with out deliting the gnome envoriment?
21:22<dpkg>dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
21:22<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about selftell
21:22<SuperMiguel>!tell SuperMiguel dmm lenny
21:23<adb>!tell SuperMiguel about selftell
21:23<craigevil>SuperMiguel: you do not have to remove swf, just do update-alternatives --config as root and pick the one you want to use
21:24<ml|>SuperMiguel: what craigevil said :)
21:27<adb>!tell ml| about sleeping
21:27<ml|>adb: hah
21:27<SuperMiguel>ml|, umm in installed flashplayer-mozilla but when i run the config flash i only see the swfdec-mozilla
21:30<ml|>SuperMiguel: it should show up
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21:35<SuperMiguel>k now update-alternatives --config, shows a second option and it set it to use the flashplugin-nonfree but when i open iceweasel it stills defalting to swfdec
21:37<adb>log out/log in ?
21:38<ml|>yeah try that
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21:38<adb>!tell ml| about boss
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21:39<SuperMiguel>that worked :)
21:39<ml|>adb: trying to tell me something? hah ;)
21:40<ml|>!congratulate SuperMiguel
21:40<dpkg>Woohoo SuperMiguel, you did it!
21:41<adb>ml|: oh, sorry, nearly sleeping
21:41<ml|>adb: np :)
21:42<SuperMiguel>hey is debian porting any of the new fs?
21:42<SuperMiguel>like zfs?
21:42<dpkg>i heard zfs is or or
21:42<SuperMiguel>and the answer to my questions is:?
21:43<SuperMiguel>i know what zfs is
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21:44<SuperMiguel>so still experimental
21:46<adb>sarcastic /
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21:54<pmitros>I've got a Samsung CPL300 printer. It works under Ubuntu automatically. I haven't been able to make it work with Debian. I install splix, but Samsung still doesn't show up as an option in the CUPS http pages. Any clues about what I should read or where I should look to make it work?
21:55*MoiraA says sorry but that doesn't sound like very entertaining
21:55<abrotman>pmitros: usb ?
21:55<pmitros>USB, correct.
21:55<MoiraA>which window is this
21:58<pmitros>My girlfriend somehow got it working with the last version of Debian, even, but it broke when I upgraded.
21:59<MoiraA>sorry pmitros
21:59<pmitros>I think she used the Samsung proprietary driver, but it does work with Splix
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21:59<MoiraA>don't mind me, I am not being offensive
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22:01<abrotman>pmitros: showing in lsusb ?
22:02<abrotman>pmitros: don't do that again
22:02<pmitros>Sorry. I'm used to laggy IRC servers. It's common there if there's no response for a while to figure out if it is the server or the person.
22:02<pmitros>Why's pinging considered rude here?
22:03<abrotman>just because you don't get an answer doesn't mean you can ping people ..
22:03<abrotman>if you would have prefaced my nick on the message, i would have seen it immediately
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22:03<pmitros>abrotman: It is in lsusb: Bus 002 Device 021: ID 04e8:3272 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd
22:03<abrotman>on lenny?
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22:04<pmitros>abrotman: Correct. Debian 5.0
22:04<pmitros>Recently upgraded. We usually wait a couple months.
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22:05<abrotman>pmitros: is it a workstation or server?
22:05<abrotman>do you know which driver it used on ubuntu ?
22:06<pmitros>abrotman: Ubuntu was workstation. On Debian, I'm not sure what the distinction is. It was a minimal Debian install sometime over a decade ago, with packages added manual as necessary.
22:06<abrotman>pmitros: uname -a ?
22:06<pmitros>I do not, but I believe it was splix.
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22:07<abrotman>you might need the .29 from .. but i don't have that kernel installed anywhere
22:07<pmitros>Linux rura-pentaa 2.6.26-bpo.1-686 #1 SMP Thu Dec 18 23:55:11 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
22:07<pmitros>Hmmm.. Maybe the kernel didn't go up a version during the upgrade...
22:07<abrotman>so .. not lenny's kernel ?
22:07<pmitros>Appears so. I didn't notice at the time.
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22:08<pmitros>I'll check which kernel lenny has by default...
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22:08<abrotman>lenny still has a .26 . .but a .29 is available from
22:08<pmitros>I'm not sure if old kernel would cause a problem, though. It worked fine under Etch.
22:09<ml|>might want to see if there is ppd file for that printer ...
22:09<abrotman>!info printconf lenny
22:10<dpkg>printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: (lenny), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 84 kB
22:11<pmitros>I had tried printconf. It said "Configuring Samsung CLP-300 on usb:/dev/usb/lp0 with splix driver as queue "clp300".\nThere is neither a custom PPD file nor the driver database entry contains sufficient data to build a PPD file."
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22:18<pmitros>Hmm... foo2qpld appears to work, at least in monochrome. Good enough!
22:19<pmitros>That is, when installed from source (as opposed to .deb)
22:19<pmitros>Thanks, abrotman.
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22:57<Chrono>i was compiling a source, then a error ocurs , libs like fftw3 hglpk.h FTGL.h and others are not found. how to install it?
22:57<dpkg>rumour has it, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
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22:58<Chrono>abrotman, i dont understand
22:59<abrotman>install apt-file .. use it to look and see which packages have those files
22:59<Chrono>i have apt-file
22:59<abrotman>so .. like apt-file search hglpk.h
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23:00<Chrono>NOTHING FOUND
23:00<Chrono>sorry , caps
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23:04<johnfg>I've got squeeze installed in a vm, but the resolution is way off! Usually, the vm is smaller than the rest of the full windows, but squeeze took the full window, and then doesn't even fit!
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23:53<FoxM>Hi. I am using BOINC but seems like input activity from my usb mouse does not triggers the deactivation of boinc processing. I read in the boinc forums that it is a problem with the kernel not updating the at_time variable of the devices and there is a workaround, but it applies to kernels <= 2.6.10 and I have 2.6.26
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