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00:18<Jids>is there anyone here who might be able to help me set up wpa_supplicant?
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00:21<gsimmons>Jids: See or ask a better question.
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00:24<Jids>gsimmons: how do i allow ifup to read the interfaces file? i did exactly what it said on that link and it doesn't work
00:25<Jids>gsimmons: scratch that, it's telling me it can't set interface 'wlan0' up
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00:27<gsimmons>Jids: Use the -v option (e.g. ifup -v wlan0) to show the executed commands, then troubleshoot.
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00:30<Jids>gsimmons: would you like to help me troubleshoot or should i ask around? i can paste the output online, if you'd like
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00:34<interbird>does iwconfig say anything?
00:34<gsimmons>Jids: Sure, but use a pastebin. Exclude or change the PSK in your pastes if necessary.
00:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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00:38<Jids>i love Synergy :D
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00:40<Jids>gsimmons: i have a Rosewill card, and i just found out that on the cd there's a folder Linux with two folders: Module and WPA_Supplicant
00:40<gsimmons>Jids: Are you sure the interface is wlan0? Execute iwconfig.
00:40<Jids>well eth0 is what's connected to my laptop right now
00:41<Jids>there's lo which definitely isn't it, and wmaster0
00:41<Jids>wlan0 is giving me wireless info, so i'm assuming that it is correct
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00:42<interbird>eth0 is the wired connection, lo is the "loop-back"
00:42<interbird>iwconfig ?
00:43<Jids>i know they are :)
00:43<gsimmons>Jids: Please paste your dmesg output.
00:44<interbird>well, is the rosevill "interface" present? (one way or the other) ?
00:44<Jids>well every wireless program i've run so far has detected it
00:44<Jids>i'm sure if i set up my router for WEP it'd work, but considering i have everything on WPA, i'd rather not
00:44<Jids>gsimmons: i.e. run "dmesg" and paste that whole lot of stuff?
00:45<interbird>does it support WPA(2) PSK (TKIP) ?
00:45<interbird>first try without encryption ?
00:45<Jids> this is the card
00:45<gsimmons>Jids: The last 20 or so lines is fine.
00:46<Jids>i'd rather not... my sister would get pissed due to a lack of connection... and i'd disconnect as well
00:46<Jids>gsimmons: [5269.834231] phy0 -> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware. <-- that's pretty much the last 40 lines
00:47<Jids>er... that's after "5269.832001] firmware: requesting rt256ls.bin"
00:47<gsimmons>!ralink firmware
00:47<dpkg>Firmware is required for the <rt61pci> and <rt73usb> drivers from the <rt2x00> project. Install the <non-free> 'firmware-ralink' package (lenny, etch-backports) to provide. Firmware also required by the <rt2860sta> and <rt2870sta> staging drivers in Debian kernel images since 2.6.30, install 'firmware-ralink' 0.17 or later to provide.
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00:49<interbird>Jids: have you ever made a conection using this wireless without encryption? (just to see that it can connect) ?
00:49<Jids>interbird: on winxp and win7, yes
00:49<Jids>oh, without encryption
00:49<interbird>and with debian ?
00:49<Jids>if i was to try, i'd have to take my laptop downstairs so i could set it back to WPA... which my parents wouldn't be happy about considering they think i'm asleep
00:50<gsimmons>Jids: Firmware is required by your wireless LAN driver. Install it as indicated by dpkg above.
00:51<interbird>gsimmons: wlan0 was there, so firmware should be loaded? (or am i mistakin)
00:51<interbird>does ifconfig -a show the wifi interface ?
00:51<Jids>wlan0, yes
00:52<interbird>wlan0 or eth1/2/x ?
00:52<gsimmons>interbird: No. Some drivers create an interface, requesting the firmware only when the radio is activated.
00:52<interbird>firmware is loaded then...
00:52<interbird>gsimmons: no wlan0 without firmware, true ?
00:53<Jids>installing rt73-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64 and the common...
00:53<gsimmons>Jids: That's the enhanced legacy driver. You probably do not want that.
00:54<Jids>ah... too late now
00:54<Jids>should i bother removing it?
00:54<interbird>gsimmons: you say some drivers create an interface without a working device ? (if i understand you correctly)
00:55<gsimmons>interbird: I don't understand your question, but an interface can be established without any userspace firmware installed for some drivers.
00:56<gsimmons>Jids: Yes, it is not required, you can use the mainline rt61pci driver. Install the firmware package as described previously.
00:56<Jids>not found in Synaptic
00:56<Jids>how would i install it?
00:56<gsimmons>Jids: Add non-free sources; /msg dpkg non-free sources
00:59<Jids>gsimmons: er... is that a command?
01:01<gsimmons>Jids: It's a command for your IRC client. You can also read the procedure at
01:03<Jids>gsimmons: and will that work if i'm installing everything from DVD, considering my desktop doesn't have an internet connection as yet?
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01:04<gsimmons>Jids: No, non-free packages aren't part of Debian. You can manually download firmware-ralink from, then transfer/install to your target system as necessary.
01:05<Jids>so i'm searching for rt61pci and/or firmware-ralink?
01:06<gsimmons>Jids: Only the latter. The rt61pci driver is included with the kernel.
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01:09<Jids>alright, transferred over
01:09<ac_slater>grr anyone here skilled with synaptics touchpad configuration?
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01:10<Jids>gsimmons: in the install window... "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"
01:11<Jids>and Synaptics won't let me add the file as a downloaded package
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01:13<gsimmons>Jids: As it is was manually downloaded, use dpkg instead (e.g. dpkg -i firmware-ralink_0.14+lenny1_all.deb).
01:14<gsimmons>s/is was/was/
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01:14<Jids>unpacked and set up
01:15<brlancer>Does tftp netboot support installing from an NFS source repo and how? (it's not an option under 'expert')
01:15<Jids>gsimmons: i'll be back in a sec, i think i'm going to try enabling ssid broadcast for now
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01:17*interbird greets gsimmons, must be off now, take care
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01:17<simNIX>brlancer, I set that up on pxeboot kernel line and in preseed ->
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01:18<simNIX>I use debimrror to have local mirror
01:18<simNIX>I sere it with ftp but could do with nfs
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01:20<Jids_>gsimmons: YAY thank you so much gsimmons :D you rule!
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01:20<Jids_>now... is there any chance you might be able to help me get Debian to recognize that i have a monitor that supports up to 1280x1024 as opposed to only 1280x800?
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01:28<Jids>would anyone here like to help me get Debian to allow my resolution to go up to 1280x1024?
01:28<jm_>Jids: let me guess - intel driver?
01:28<Jids>dunno, but i've got an nVidia card
01:29<jm_>ok nvidia driver or nv driver? nvidia does ddc so it should use max. allowed res if your monitor reports it properly
01:29<jm_>and if you haven't configured it differently
01:30<jm_>you would see all the details about it in X logfile
01:30<Jids>er... afaik i haven't installed anything for nVidia as yet
01:30<jm_>right, check your log and config file anyway
01:30<jm_>well with a pager or with an editor, they are text files
01:31<Jids>where are the log and config files?
01:31<jm_>/var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
01:32<Jids>"(--) PCI:*(1:0:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0622) rev 161, Mem @ 0xfd000000/24, 0xd0000000/28, 0xfa000000/25, I/O @ 0xcc00/7, BIOS @ 0xfe880000/19"
01:32<Jids>is that of any use?
01:32<jm_>no, paste your logs/config on pastebin (/msg dpkg paste)
01:32<brlancer>simNIX: using preseed, I don't see a way to specify an NFS server
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01:34<Jids> is Xorg.0.log, is xorg.conf
01:36<jm_>brlancer: apt support file and rsh/ssh access methods, file should do for NFS
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01:38<jm_>Jids: are you sure you rmonitor can do that?
01:39<Jids>it works fine on LiveCDs and Windows
01:39<jm_>this looks like some kind of laptop
01:39<Jids>it's a desktop
01:40<jm_>check what read-edid reports for it: read-edid|parse-edid
01:40<simNIX>brlancer, without knowing for sure (never tested) would try something like append initrd=..... netboot=nfs nfsroot=
01:40<jm_>uhm it's get-edid|parse-edid
01:41<Jids>jm_: er... how do i run that?
01:41<jm_>Jids: in a terminal
01:42<jm_>(as root)
01:42<Jids>"bash: get-edid: command not found\nbash: parse-edid: command not found"
01:43<jm_>install read-edid package
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01:43<jm_>or xresprobe, ddccontrol or hwinfo
01:44<simNIX>brlancer, if you intend to auto install a lot of time Debian boxes I can recomend you have a look at FAI
01:46<Jids>jm_: cannot find read-edid and ddcontrol, but xresprobe and hwinfo are now installed
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01:48<jm_>Jids: read-edid is available in all versions, the other one is called ddccontrol, not ddcontrol
01:48<Jids>ah, whoops
01:50<Jids>well read/get-edid isn't working, but ddccontrol is now installed
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01:53<brlancer>jm_: "file://" is not an option; when it asks for installation source, it asks me to pick an ftp or http mirror. There's no option for cdrom or nfs or file.
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01:56<jm_>brlancer: what installer asks you and what can go in sources.list are two different things
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01:58<ac_slater>anyone know how to use 'mousekeys' in openbox
01:58<dr|z3d>ac_slater: alt+cursor keys?
01:59<ac_slater>like mapping a key to a mouse button
01:59<ac_slater>modprobe -e "keycode 115 = Pointer_Button3"
01:59<ac_slater>or something
01:59<ac_slater>i know the option is in gnome, under keyboard prefs
02:00<dr|z3d>There should be something installable to handle all of that; wouldn't be surprised if it was called mousekeys.
02:01<ac_slater>thanks man, ill try something, you using openbox?
02:02<jm_>X server has built-in support for that, no need to use extra tool
02:03<ac_slater>any clue on how to configure it? I would assume its an option in xorg.conf
02:03<ac_slater>or xkb
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02:05<ac_slater>and you might have been thinking of xbindkeys
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02:05<jm_>I am not aware of any configuration for it,
02:05<jm_>no I haven't been thinking abotu xbindkeys
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02:08<brlancer>jm_: it doesn't generate a sources.list; I'm not sure where you're leading with this. Right now, the installer doesn't give me an option to install from a NFS repo. Can that be done?
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02:09<brlancer>I understand "I don't know", but right now I need to figure out if I'm wasting my time on NFS
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02:15<jm_>brlancer: actually it does, there is apt-setup section in preseeding that can be used to configure it
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02:23<kPb_in> hello friends.. i downloaded weekly build last week (15th june).. but it doesnt detect my hard disk.. read somewhere that the issue is with libparted... any idea how to solve this??
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03:11<skynet>Soy novato !!, Necesito ayuda
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03:47<_paladin_>what means error "man: can't execute pager: No such file or directory; man: command exited with status 65280: pager -s" ? I tried to reinstall man-db, but it isn't helped. What should I do to return manuals?
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03:49<dondelelcaro>_paladin_: you are missing a pager.
03:49<jm_>_paladin_: did you try PAGER=more man foo?
03:49*dondelelcaro loves ask and run
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03:49<jm_>ahh heh
03:49<dondelelcaro>_paladin_: you are missing a pager.
03:50<dondelelcaro>_paladin_: PAGER=more man foo; or reinstall more or less or fix what you have sensible-pager set to use.
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03:51<leikh>are there any maintainers of request-tracker3.8 here?
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03:53<hajoucha>on a remote debian machine a Xorg process got mad - toked as much as 100% of CPU. So I killed it and now I want to start it again. How do I do it?
03:53<hajoucha>I have tried /etc/init.d/xdm restart, but that is not working, since xdm does not start Xorg (as I thought).
03:54<jm_>hajoucha: it does, try ctrl-alt-f7
03:56<hajoucha>jm_: I am not at the machine.
03:57<hajoucha>jm: it is a remote server. So I can only veryfy in console - and ps -ef |grep Xorg does not give anything.
03:57<jm_>hajoucha: so how do you know it's not working? if the process doesn't start then you need to check logs to see why
03:58<_paladin_>dondelelcaro, sensible-pager tells that "line 3:pager not found". reinstalling less didn't help. what about PAGER? is it environment variable? where should I set it?
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04:00<hajoucha>jm_: hm, perhaps I did not explain the situation well. Originaly the server worked ok, but later the "Xorg" process happen to eat all cpu. So to solve it, I killed it by kill -9 $PID.
04:01<jm_>hajoucha: sure, I understood it, and now you want to start it again
04:02<hajoucha>jm_: now the CPU is free and there is no Xorg process anymore. Next step is to run it again. But how? If I start it from my terminal, I will perhaps not be connected to the correct (remote) monitor, etc. Or will it?
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04:03<hajoucha>jm_: so .. I know Xorg is not running (working) because I do not see it listed among processes. Last thing in the log is that Xorg was kiled. I.e. - there is no new log for _starting_ an Xorg server.
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04:12<jm_>hajoucha: check /var/log/xdm.log
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04:16<hajoucha>jm_: after more investigation, it seems xorg.conf is broken (no idea why). Here is the output of Xorg -configure :
04:18<jm_>hajoucha: it looks more like it doesn't detect which device to use and "empty" config
04:19<hajoucha>jm_: yes. That is rather strange. There is definitely a matrox card inside the box :)
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04:19<jm_>hajoucha: but it's weird your xorg.conf is totally empty
04:20<jm_>I would expect to see at least layout section
04:20<hajoucha>jm_: here is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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04:20<serako>hi all
04:21<jm_>hajoucha: yeah it does mention mga, so it must know it's matrox
04:21<hajoucha>lspci gives: 0d:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G550 AGP (rev ff)
04:21<jm_>hajoucha: yeah conf file is OK
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04:25<jm_>hajoucha: if I compare it to my log it's missing the important bits
04:26<ant__>i have lenny, nvidia gpu and compiz. after a few seconds in X, resolution changes and i can only move the mouse everything else freezes... why?
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04:26<jm_>and it also fails to load many modules
04:29<hajoucha>jm_: hmm, yes.
04:30<hajoucha>jm_: no idea why it behaves like this. I only killed Xorg. Nothing else was done. And it was after fresh reboot. So X server was running after all... maybe a hw problem.
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04:39<kPb_in>in debian installer... which script runs for loading installer components??
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04:43<ant__>why is connection to my port 22 refused? i already installed ssh
04:43<themill>ant__: did you install openssh-server?
04:43<ant__>i did aptitude install ssh
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04:45<themill>that should install the server too. Is the server running? Check in the output of "ps ax" and in "netstat -plant"
04:46<ant__>oh yes with ps ax | grep ssh it didn't find anything... so maybe it isn't started yet :) thx for advice :) i thought it starts on boot up....
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04:50<themill>ant__: it should start on boot.
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05:00<ant__>themill: should there be a script in init.d for ssh? it doesn't start on boot... that's strange
05:01<themill>ant__: if you run "invoke-rc.d ssh start" does it start normally?
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05:04<ant__>ah now it works, i think :) thx for help & advice :) btw how do you do that it is red when you write to me?
05:06<themill>ant__: if I include your nick in the line then your irc client highlights the line.
05:06<themill>If I omit your nick, it is not.
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05:08<ant__>themill: ah thank you very much :) you helped me already a lot today, thank you :)
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06:05<locklace>dpkg: revolution!
06:05<dpkg>eliminate fsck power of brutal event!
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06:10<buffoon_work>Hi! did anybody see a folder like this: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Software
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06:11<dr|z3d>Sounds like you may have disk corruption, buffoon_work. Try: "sudo touch /forcefsck" and then reboot.
06:12<buffoon_work>maybe I'll test the HDD for some bad blocks then...
06:14<vvas>or might simply be locale issues
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06:15<jm_>indeed, maybe you simply need to load appropriate nls modules and use right mount options (if needed)
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06:17<buffoon_work>well, this mountpoint was working for 2 years now and I can't remember to have changed the locales or something similar
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06:18<enouf>buffoon_work: is there any MS involved in that mount point?
06:18<buffoon_work>I'd rather say that the HDD has some not usable blocks where something of the filesystem is there...
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06:18<buffoon_work>enouf, yep, cifs
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06:19<jm_>if blocks are unreadable kernel would detect it and yell
06:19<jm_>well then ...
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06:20<enouf>buffoon_work: ouch -- consider if the initial FS on the other end is NTFS, doing a chkdsk /f or /r on it from a Windows CD or RC, if vfat, i'm pretty sure Linux can fix it - if not vfat, all Linux can do is mark it as Dirty
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06:23<buffoon_work>enouf, hmm, It's a FS on a Server, can not do that right now. I made a temporary mountpoint for that and it works... but looking at the output of "mount" I can see that there the old location of the share is mounted
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06:25<buffoon_work>so I now have a mounted share which doesn't exist, i can't unmount because the FS is busy. No idea what's using it and fuser <dir> gives me: Cannot stat /sfile/Software: No such device
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06:25<buffoon_work>no messages about bad blocks btw, so it's more likely the bad share name problem
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06:27<vvas>buffoon_work: try lsof instead of fuser
06:28<vvas>buffoon_work: and if it's a network filesystem (didn't you just say it's cifs?) i don't see how the kernel would report any bad blocks, that's the domain of the remote kernel
06:28<buffoon_work>same thing...
06:28<buffoon_work>vvas, I thought that that would be some problems on the FS regarding the folder and not the remote fs
06:29<vvas>not sure what you mean
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06:31<buffoon_work>vvas, the folder exists on the local FS and I thought that there the problem is sitting... I just saw that it was still mounted so now you're perfectly right.
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06:40<Joseph>i have been trying to modify the tasksel..but i haven't been successful in that can anyone help me get over the problems....
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06:47<Joseph>i have been trying to modify the tasksel..but i haven't been successful in that can anyone help me get over the problems....
06:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:49<Joseph>i have a problem with tasksel.. i have added some tasks to the tasksel by creating a new .desc file and placing it in the /usr/share/tasksel. When i run tasksel in the command prompt, and select the options which i add
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06:51<Joseph>then i get errors as pasted at
06:53<themill>Joseph: the .desc file has syntax errors -- can you pastebin that?
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06:57<enouf>buffoon_work: (btw - i was afk) are you saying the real issue was a mount point that went tits up? If so, i can think of more than a thousand reasons why that might happen .. if you want, you might look at the umount -l (lazy) option, however ... i would first try other things if it becomes a real problem having that mount point lingering
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07:00<buffoon_work>well, I've done it with the -l option. now everything is fine. Thx a lot
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07:01<themill>Joseph: You've *still* not got that syntax right. You need to reread the README in the tasksel source again and look closely at the hundreds of examples that are in the code. The first thing you need to do is to not have the blank line in the middle of the definition. You will also want to include a "Relevance: 10" line in there to make sure your task is shown in tasksel
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07:05<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:07<Joseph>themill; hey have done a great help....i will reread the README file and let you know what progress i made
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07:12<Joseph>themill; greatly amused that even a space can cause problems
07:13<avtobiff>w list
07:13<themill>Joseph: how would tasksel know when one description starts? It uses a blank line between descriptions for this, so if you put a random blank line in the desc file, it gets confused. This is pretty standard in all debian control files -- it's an rfc822 style format.
07:13<Joseph>themill; ok
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07:22<Joseph>themill; in the README file they have mentioned about task-fields...can you explain whats that
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07:22<themill>Joseph: you don't need to worry about that as you are using the "list" option instead.
07:23<Joseph>themill; ok
07:23<jm_>it's used in package control files to signify which task they belong to
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07:26<Joseph>themill; will it be safe if i change the Relevance of the tasks in the debian-tasks.desc
07:27<themill>Joseph: You won't be editing debian-tasks.desc at all, you'll be adding a new desc file entirely.
07:28<Joseph>themill; i want the list to be put in this order: desktop, laptop, CSE, mechanical (these 2 are my tasks which i add) and then followed by the rest)
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07:29<Ancient>Hi. quick question, I used to be able to play back music on my debian (2.6.26-1-amd64) but then I installed vlc last night and now my audio in all applications is extremely choppy and and the applications crash after about 30-40 secs. would be most grateful for any help as I just can't work without my music :D
07:29<Joseph>themill; Ancient; why dont you reinstall vlc
07:30<Joseph>themill; sorry the message wasn't for you but Ancient
07:30<Ancient>because i don't want to break even more. but i guess i could give it a try
07:30<Ancient>manually or with apt ?
07:30<jm_>try basic tools like aplay
07:30<Joseph>Ancient; no just open synaptic and reinstall from there
07:30<jm_>or alsaplayer
07:31<Ancient>i tried rhythmbox and movieplayer
07:31<Ancient>ok will do
07:32<jm_>so you'll know if it's a generic alsa issue or those apps
07:32<Joseph>Ancient; just give it a try to what i said....i can't guarantee you that it works
07:33<Joseph>themill; so what do you think upon modifying the debian-tasks.desc file
07:33<Ancient>Joseph: will do in a moment, jm_: just tried to play a mp3 with aplayer and all i get is static
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07:34<sylarr>is there something like "USB Server for Linux" in the repositories?
07:35<jm_>Ancient: aplay or aplayer? a play plays way files, not mp3 files
07:36<Ancient>aplay sorry didn't realise
07:36<Ancient>Joseph: just vlc or all its plugins as well ?
07:37<Joseph>Ancient; only vlc
07:37<jm_>so something like this: mpg123 -w aa.wav your.mp3 && aplay aa.wav
07:38<gsimmons>sylarr: You might be interested in 'usbip'.
07:38<Ancient>jm_: am going to have to install mg123 yet (need to wait for vlc reinstall to finish)
07:39<jm_>Ancient: thre are other tools that can convert it for you too
07:39<Ancient>[audio.c:561] error: failed to open audio device
07:39<Ancient>[mpg123.c:757] error: Failed to initialize output, goodbye.
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07:40<jm_>it doesn't even open audio device when used with -w switch
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07:41<Ancient>i used -w
07:41<Ancient>hm i just realised my sound is also funny in skype
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07:42<sylarr>gsimmons, I 'll check it out
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07:42<jm_>ok try mpg321 package then
07:42<sylarr>gsimmons, can't find it
07:43<jm_>looks like mpg123 is dumber
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07:43<Ancient>ok worked now
07:43<Ancient>i moved into the directory
07:43<Ancient>anyway it still stutters but not as frequently
07:43<jm_>aplay stutters?
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07:44<jm_>ok so it's ALSA problem then
07:44<Ancient>but not nearly as often as the others did. oh and i just realised when it stutters and i happen to type at the time my keyboard hangs and it get d = ddddddddddd
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07:45<jm_>hmm what kind of storage devices are in your system?
07:45<gsimmons>sylarr: It's in testing and unstable.
07:45<jm_>does HDD led also blink when it happens?
07:45<Ancient>this is playing from a ext3 partition
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07:46<sylarr>gsimmons, ah
07:46<Ancient>jm_:as far as i can so no it does not blink
07:46<sylarr>gsimmons, i am on lenny
07:46<jm_>Ancient: hmm keyboard issue somehow suggests it's not just ALSA though
07:47<jm_>Ancient: try booting with kernel options to disable acpi, apic etc.
07:47<Ancient>i just lunached a "top" and whenever it stutters aplay jumps nearly to the top of the list
07:47<Ancient>ok will try be right back thanks for the help so far
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08:07<Ancient>i'm back. had no luck though
08:08<Ancient>as a matter of fact things are even worse now my mouse is jittering like mad
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08:13<Ancient>jm_:i just remembered another thing i modified my xorg.conf to allow for a greater screen buffer (for dual head) might that have anything to do with my problems ?
08:15<jm_>Ancient: it shouldn't
08:15<vvas>but then again, neither should installing vlc ;^)
08:15<jm_>Ancient: are these IDE drives?
08:16<Ancient>ok just thougt maybe i am out of ram or so. hm imight it be idea to reinstall ALSA ?
08:16<jm_>I doubt reinstalling would help with this
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08:17<Ancient>aeh good question i must admit to my shame i do not know. is there a easy way to find out without checking my leptop model ?
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08:18<jm_>check dmesg output
08:19<jm_>also do hdparm -i /dev/yourdevice and look at DMA/UDMA line
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08:20<vvas>Ancient: can you put the output of "hdparm -I /dev/sda" into a pastebin?
08:20<Ancient>i found a line [ 3.353172] ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048@0xf8426000 port 0xf8426100 irq 1277 i assume this means its a sata disk ?
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08:22<k-man__>can i enable core dumps for just one process?
08:22<Ancient>my hdparm does not seem to know a "-l" there is a capital L though
08:22<Ancient>oh ok silly me its a I
08:22<vvas>yes :)
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08:23<jm_>k-man__: you can configure that core dump is sent to a pipe (=process) which does whatever it wants with it
08:24<Aleric>Is there a printer manager or something somewhere? I want to print something, but there is no printer listed.
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08:24<vvas>Aleric: http://localhost:631/printers/
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08:25<jm_>Aleric: for cups do lpstat -a and it will list all configured printers
08:25<vvas>Aleric: (assuming CUPS is your print system, which is the most likely case these days)
08:25<k-man__>jm_: when i call ulimit, does that affect only the processes executed in that shell?
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08:25<Aleric>Ok thanks.. the printer is just there :/
08:25<vvas>k-man__: indeed
08:25<jm_>k-man__: indeed it does
08:25<Aleric>Hmm, trying to print a pdf... but evince won't let me.
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08:27<vvas>ah, it's SATA indeed
08:28<vvas>and it seems to be configured properly, definitely not the cause of stuttering
08:28<Ancient>i just realised my sound is choppy everywhere now including skype and flash videos
08:28<jm_>do debian kernels have support for latencytop?
08:30<vvas>Ancient, at this point i would suggest trying to revert any change you've made to the system just before the problem appeared, mostly with regard to hardware configuration
08:30<vvas>jm_: apparently not (just checked)
08:30<Ancient>no changes made to hardware
08:30<Ancient>apart from messing around with xrandr and dual screens
08:31<Ancient>it all worked fine yesterday up until i installed vlc i believe
08:31<vvas>ok, let me think
08:31<vvas>where did you install vlc from? just the regular debian package?
08:32<jm_>i've seen reports of stuttering with more recent kernels on lkml, but they were also accompanied with some messages from kernel and I think it was related to very recent changes so doesn't seem to be 2.6.26 related
08:33<vvas>jm_: my suspicions would be (a) vlc or some dependency installing something weird in /etc/alsa/ or something, or (b) vlc or one of its dependencies pulling in some sound server like pulseaudio
08:34<Ancient>but i do remember vlc coming with a bunch of libs and god knows what
08:34<jm_>vvas: but what about keyboard problems then?
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08:34<vvas>jm_: no idea, perhaps something's polling the sound card too fast and causing trouble to the other interrupt handlers?
08:35<jm_>also, aplay -v would show if it's not using sound card directly
08:36<Ancient>right ive just turned off all music and now at least the keyboard behaves itself
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08:37<Ancient>and as i saw earlier when running top whatever music application will occasionally spike in cpu usage which is when the stuttering occurs
08:37<vvas>Ancient: what does "lsof /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p" say, both now and when playing something?
08:37<jm_>vvas: ahh maybe some shit sets real time priority yeah
08:38<dr|z3d>Ancient: You could try assigning more buffer to your player(s).
08:38<Ancient>ill tets it with aplay
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08:39<harakiri>is there a way to increase the filesystem cache? i.e. that more directories/files inodes/modify times are cached
08:40<Ancient>right when nothing is playing it says nothing and when it is playing:
08:40<Ancient>aplay 5078 ancient mem CHR 116,16 5630 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
08:40<Ancient>aplay 5078 ancient 4u CHR 116,16 5630 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
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08:40<vvas>harakiri: by default all available memory (i.e., memory that's not used for applications) is used for caching
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08:41<harakiri>how do i reserve more memory for filesystem cache?
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08:41<Wheemp>Anyone got any suggestions to why i keep getting: "kernel: Out of socket memory" been trying most settings in tcp_mem etc or a way to check what is causing it to send that message
08:42<vvas>harakiri: is there any particular problem you're trying to solve?
08:42<ml|>dpkg: tell Ancient about pastebin
08:42<vvas>Ancient: looks alright
08:43<vvas>Ancient: i honestly have no idea what your problem might originate from
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08:43<vvas>Wheemp: other than you being DDoS'ed i can't think of anything
08:43<Ancient>ah ok well thanks for your help anyway i really appreciate it
08:44<Wheemp>vvas: Well a certain amount of TCP SYN are getting in
08:44<Ancient>being DDoS'ed on my LAN ? or from outside ?
08:44<jm_>Wheemp: how did you set tcp_mem?
08:44<Wheemp>jm_: Been trying to set it both high and low
08:44<vvas>Ancient: not you, Wheemp
08:45<Ancient>ah ok
08:45<jm_>Wheemp: did you set all 3 numbers properly?
08:45<Wheemp>jm_: Yeah, i'd guess so :)
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08:46<Wheemp>jm_: Can't see anything thats eating memory so it should freak out, from top/free -m i still got about 50% left. CPU is getting abit of a load though
08:47<harakiri>vvas: yes, im using unison to sync a large amount of maildirs - problem is - with 100.000 dirs all are cached after 2-3 calls - but with 200.000 dirs, the cache is exceeded, meaning it takes exponentionally longer just to get the modifcation date
08:47<vvas>harakiri: ah
08:48<vvas>harakiri: you can try decreasing /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure
08:48<jm_>Wheemp: that parameter should definitely help
08:48<harakiri>its 100, what is a good value
08:48<Wheemp>jm_: which parameter, setting all 3 number properly?
08:49<jm_>Wheemp: yeah for tcp_mem
08:49<vvas>harakiri: well, you could try 0 for the extreme case
08:49<Wheemp>jm_: yeah i thought so to, but apparently it didn't. Sure it could be that i get a huge amount of attacks on me, but i'd think it would show somewhere
08:50<vvas>harakiri: where the kernel will not shrink the cache at all if it can reclaim memory in some other way (if i understand correctly)
08:50<Wheemp>jm_: More then on logs nothing on machine is acting up, if i were to skip looking there i would never notice :)
08:50<vvas>harakiri: mind you, i wouldn't keep it set to that value for general operation :^)
08:51<harakiri>vaas: thanks, i will try it out and see how the performance - i saw the param earlier, suggested at about 50 - its configured with echo 'vm.vfs_cache_pressure=50' >> /etc/sysctl.conf
08:51<vvas>harakiri: i guess you could also try with 50 first or something
08:51<Ancient>me again, i've just done some more research and some people recommend using OSS instead of ALSA you reckon it's worth a shot ?
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08:51<jm_>Ancient: no ;)
08:51<vvas>harakiri: well, the sysctl.conf method is so that it is set every time the system starts, and it takes effect from the next reboot
08:52<vvas>harakiri: you can also set it directly with "echo 50 > /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure"
08:52<vvas>Ancient: not really
08:52<Wheemp>jm_: Been trying adding it up to 16mbyte, down to 8, then down to 2 but it doesn't show any difference
08:52<harakiri>vaas: thanks i will try that
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08:53<Wheemp>jm_: Just to see if it would act differently but it doesn't
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08:56<jm_>Wheemp: hmm those are number of pages, so that would be rather huge
08:56<Wheemp>jm_: Yeah
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08:57<Wheemp>jm_: Trying to see if it would make any difference but it didn't
08:58<jm_>Wheemp: another thing that comes to mind is it needs free pages in certain area and there's not enough free, but I am not really familiar with kernel internals
08:58<Wheemp>jm_: Think i've been checking 100 google pages and tried most things but so far no luck :/
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09:06<straszheim>is cdbs still the way to go?
09:06<OdyX>straszheim: I find dh7 waay easier
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09:11<morphium>hi, how to find out what type of RAM is installed in a server without shutting down?
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09:12<jm_>morphium: try dmidecode
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09:13<straszheim>what's the best way to hack on the this stuff. I've got a big package, takes a long time to build, and one little bit of python wrapper isn't ending up where it should.
09:14<straszheim>I'm thinking i want to unpack the dpkg and the control.tar.gz, hack on the postinst, and install from the unpacked directory
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09:14<straszheim>so at least I'd know what the .deb ought to contain to get installed right
09:15<oakbox>could anyone help with postfix and dynamic IPs im currently getting a DNS fwd/rev mismatch and dont know what to do
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09:18<Wheemp>bah, this out of socket memory is driving me insaine.
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09:59<dpkg><js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted?
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10:08<Jids>i'm triple-booting winxp, win7, and Debian... but Grub's giving me "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7\nsavedefault\nError 29: Disk write error" when i try to run the Vista/Longhorn loader... how do i fix this?
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10:09<dr|z3d>Jids: Try supergrub.
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10:10<rostayob>I've just run dist-upgrade from stable to unstable
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10:11<rostayob>but I can't install gnome now
10:12<noflash>rostayob, you're lucky it boots
10:12*arw hello folks
10:12<rostayob>yeah I imagined it wasn't a safe thing to do
10:12<noflash>you were right ;)
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10:35<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:15<dr|z3d>!ops dr|zed is bogus.
11:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: dr|zed is bogus.
11:15<dr|zed>no, this is jusr my nick
11:15<dr|zed>if you don't had registered this one, it's your problem mate
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11:16<azeem_>dr|zed: eh, what?
11:16<noflash>dr|z3d, I wouldn't call ops for that, I don't think the ops are interested in your 'nick' problem
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11:17<dr|z3d>It's more a troll problem we're having in tor related channels, but whatever.
11:17<azeem_>dr|z3d: what are you suggesting we should do?
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11:18<dr|z3d>azeem: I'm looking to get it resolved.
11:18<dr|zed>he just want to have the right over a nick that he don't registered
11:18<dr|z3d>He's up to no good.. use your discretion ;)
11:18<weasel>take it elsewhere.
11:18<weasel>both of you.
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11:24<Sivakumar>hi all
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11:42<dr|z3d>More troll fun. abrotman wasn't previously a Tor user..
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11:43<kostja>hi all
11:43<kostja>is there any fstab profi?! I can not mount my root partition read-write
11:44<dr|z3d>And abrotman and dinomite share the same hostmask as dr|zed.. go figure.
11:45<DDevine>dr|z3d, but you can't prove thar the same host mask idicates that it's the same person. dr|z3d could be using these masks to make dr|zed appears bad...
11:45<azeem>please keep it on topic
11:45<dr|z3d>DDevine: New hostmasking with Tor users means I can.
11:45<kostja>if somebody knows how to remove a mount option (iocharset) from the fstab file, it would be fine
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11:47<shanepardue>Is koffice not in sid at the moment or are my repos jacked?
11:47<craigevil>no its not
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11:48<shanepardue>craigevil: do you know why not?
11:48<kostja>I tried to manually remount with "mount -o remount,rw /dev/mapper/root" but debian takes everytime the the iocharset option from the fstab and gives me the folowing error..."unregognized mount option..."
11:48<craigevil>no clue i already had it installed, im assuming because koffice2.0 is be readied
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11:50<kostja>any idea? anyone?
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11:50<craigevil>shanepardue: just install it from testing or if your brave grab 2.0 from exp
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11:51<faked>is it possible to install a stable kernel in SID?
11:52<stuckey>When I attempt to log out my screen freezes and I have to reset the machine. I'm using Debian Stable.
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11:52<stuckey>It's a teal-green screen, with black bars.
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11:53<dlacka16>hi all
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11:53<iceweasel_>dpkg tell stuckey about ubuntu
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11:54<themill>iceweasel_: please try to be constructive; that's unhelpful
11:56<dinomite>ubuntu is good
11:56<azeem>dinomite: please keep it on topic
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11:57<Ex2>can anyone direct me tot he person to see about linking a shell with 2 servers running on it
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12:02<stuckey>azeem_: teal... yes
12:02<stuckey>azeem_: it's a shade of green
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12:41<sysinu>Hi, I'm running into a problem with installing packages via apt-get on Woody. It wants to upgrade libc-dev and seems to get a conflict with libc6-dev
12:41<sysinu>This is the error I get: trying to overwrite `/usr/include/asm/boot.h', which is also in package libc6-dev
12:41<azeem>stuckey: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say?
12:41<azeem>sysinu: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say?
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12:42<stew>might as well show us "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev libc-dev"
12:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
12:43<themill>sysinu: has it been a while since you've updated this box, by any chance?
12:43<sysinu>a long long long while
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12:44<stew>themill: do you ask questions you already know the answers to, by any chance? :P
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12:44<azeem>sysinu: you can't update from woody directly to lenny
12:44<sysinu>I have 4 machines that are configured like this too... desperately need to fix them.
12:44<azeem>or squeeze in that case
12:44<azeem>sysinu: you will have to update to sarge, then etch, then lenny
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12:45<sysinu>I'm not terribly familiar with this process. Do I apt-get upgrade -t sarge ?
12:45<azeem>read the sarge release notes
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12:45<azeem>... if you find them
12:46<themill>!sarge release notes
12:46<dpkg>[sarge release notes]
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12:47<sysinu>I googled them
12:48<sysinu>so change the sources file, install aptitude, then cross fingers
12:48<dr|zed>How do I bind addresses in apache to do not listen external or in lan?
12:49<dr|zed>like bind address on mysql
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12:51<idbgthusiexist>hello ppl :) today i switch harddrives from a dell poweredge 1950 to a hp proliant dl160 g5. it boots up fine, but eth0 refuses to be found, while eth1 works fine. its the same drivers for both servers ( "firmware-bnx2" ), so how do i get it to find eth0 again?
12:52<dpkg>As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See also <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1, the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
12:52<adb>idbgthusiexist: ^^
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12:54<idbgthusiexist>how do i regenerate those? or how do i probe what mac addresses i have?
12:54<cahoot>idbgthusiexist: just remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
12:55<idbgthusiexist>and its regenerated at boot?
12:55<sysinu>Sorry, stupid question... but where do I find a list of sources for sarge?
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12:56<cahoot>then run udevadm trigger
12:56<stew>sysinu: deb sarge main
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12:56<cahoot>idbgthusiexist: ^^
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12:56<sysinu>I tried and it didn't work
12:56<idbgthusiexist>cheers cahoot
12:56<idbgthusiexist>let me try that
12:57<stew>sysinu: sarge is too old for the normal mirrors to still be carrying it
12:59<sysinu>figures. Sadly, these are new installations and "someone I know's" work hasn't updated their solution in a while
12:59<idbgthusiexist>cahoot: it works
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12:59<cahoot>idbgthusiexist: you had doubts?
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13:00<idbgthusiexist>cahoot: hah... *bows*
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13:05<Jaleks>hi debian people,
13:05<Jaleks>is there a short way someon can explain me why we have problem with the ia64 branch (meaning dvd is not bootable) or why there is only one dvd for it?
13:06<stew>Jaleks: do you actually have an itanium2 cpu?
13:06<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
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13:06<sysinu>!etch release notes
13:06<dpkg>hmm... etch release notes is at . Also ask me about <errata etch>.
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13:07<Jaleks>first one was good, thx - amd64 already worke fine, just thought a xeon would work
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13:07<azeem>Jaleks: a xeon is amd64 as well
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13:08<Jaleks>inexact statemnt; thought a xeon would work for ia64
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13:09<Jaleks>just read Intel64 on intels site to the x3330 and whoops, there we go wasting a half day
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13:12<Jaleks>what i can'T find in the links - why is just one dvd on the servers for ia64?
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13:20<kurumin>alguem sabe entrar em um micro pelo IP
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13:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:25<sysinu>Sorry, another stupid question... but where do I find a list of sources for etch? Is etch current enough that mirrors would have it?
13:25<azeem>or maybe it is
13:25<sysinu>don't I need to upgrade from etch before I can go to lenny?
13:25<sysinu>I'm on sarge now
13:25<azeem>right, it should be still there I think
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13:26<sysinu>okay, archive doesn't seem to have it so that's why I asked
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13:32<weasel>etch should still be on all the mirrors
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13:37<sysinu>So upgrading from Sarge to etch it has me upgrading the kernel... it mentions I need an initrd which i previously haven't had to use. Is there more to it than just adding the line initrd=/initrd.img to my lilo.conf file?
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13:42<mentor>sysinu: Shouldn't be; you may want to check the initrd has been generated
13:43<mentor>sysinu: And... welcome to the world of yesterday :p
13:43<sysinu>thanks ;-)
13:43<sysinu>so... now that I try to do the aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-386 it gives me error: kernel-image-2.6-386: Depends: linux-image-2.6-486 but it is not installable
13:44<sysinu>but otherwise seemed to would have worked before I told it to abort (since it was asking me if I'd updated lilo.conf yet)
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13:55<SplinterOfChaos>Hi, my computer can boot from CDs, but it seems to be having trouble booting from the CD I burned of Debian. Is there any way to help it along?
13:56<stew>SplinterOfChaos: which cd did you burn?
13:57<SplinterOfChaos>stew: debian-501-i386-CD-30.iso
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13:58<stew>SplinterOfChaos: CD-30 wouldn't be bootable. CD-1 would be. CD-30 just contains some of the least popular packages
13:59<SplinterOfChaos>*facepalms* oh. Thanks.
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14:04<SplinterOfChaos>Wow. Adding a CD labeled Debian: Unpopular Packages to my collection seems so pointless!
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14:05<cahoot>don't misinterpret 'popular' here
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14:06<SplinterOfChaos>cahoot, do you mean to say unpopular!=bad or unpopular!=few people download/want it?
14:07<cahoot>might also be packages with a special use that only few need
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14:42<hijodelmaiz>Hello every one! I would like to know if it's possible to create flash animation in linux and what program is capable to do it.
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14:42<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>.
14:44<kapil>hijodelmaiz: there are many packages to do this.
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14:44<hijodelmaiz>kapil: have you ever use one?
14:44<kapil>you can create the animation in (say) cine-gimp and then export/convert it to flash using libming-utils
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14:46<kapil>yes, i once converted a video into flash. it will take me a while to dig up exactly what i did. wait a minute.
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14:46<hijodelmaiz>kapil: TY, i think cine-gim would be my best choice since i have many Gimp files
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14:53<kapil>the tool was ffmpeg not libming-util
14:53<_saw>where can i get that red/pink theme for gnome in debian, like during the installation ?
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15:11<klh>_saw, red/pink theme for gnome in debian is include in gnome-themes package
15:11<Lemonzest>quick question, got an acer laptop with nvidia chipset, is the forcedeth driver in lennys kernel, i wanna do a net install in a few days
15:11<Lemonzest>also i wanna install it to a flash stick, is that possable? i dont want anything to touch the machines HDD
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15:15<ant__>Was the sata problem (no detection) been fixed for lenny?
15:15<ant__>Was the sata problem (no detection) fixed for lenny?
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15:16<ml|>dpkg: tell Lemonzest about unetbootin
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15:19<Lemonzest>ml|: thats for running a life cd tho? i want it to be a complete system, where i can add/remove what i want
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15:22<ml|>Lemonzest: yes sorry
15:22<Pitxyoki>What sata problem, ant__?
15:23<ant__>there have been reports about linux/debian (even lenny prior to release) not detecting sata
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15:24<ant__>Pitxyoki: see link
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15:25<rekless1>Anyone know why when running "getent passwd" it would return all but one user account? This started after a power outage dropped the server.
15:25<Pitxyoki>Well, I don't know.
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15:25<Pitxyoki>I've been using my sata hard disk since etch without problems.
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15:25<oskie>where can I find a debian package with
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15:25<weasel>rekless1: using which nss inputs?
15:26<ant__>Pitxyoki: That is good news then. I havent used any yet, and I am looking at some lenovo k series desktops with sata, so i want to make sure
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15:26<rekless1>passwd: files winbind and group: files winbind
15:26<Pitxyoki>That post seems like a problema with a specific hard drive and not all sata drives.
15:27<weasel>oh my. winbind. /me runs away
15:27<_saw>klh, are you sure ? I have gnome-themes already installed but i don't have any red theme
15:28<ant__>Pitxyoki: thanks (there are many more posts out there with different sata hd)
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15:30<klh>_saw, yes, it is called DebianRed
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15:31<klh>_saw, you have to custom clearlooks theme
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15:33<Duke>hello, someone here from Poland?
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15:33<adb>oskie: install apt-file , and search with it
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15:33<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
15:34<klh>oy adb ;)
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15:34<adb>oy klh !
15:34<_saw>thanks klh
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15:37<dkr>dpkg: don't forgot prolog!
15:37<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, dkr
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15:41<oskie>adb: thanks
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15:47<AzaToth>anyone except me has problem with lighttpd under sid?
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15:48<dr|z3d>AzaToth: Better to outline your problem..
15:48<AzaToth>dr|z3d: "lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf -D" exits with error 255
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15:50<AzaToth>dr|z3d: I havn't modified lighttpd's conf last half year so...
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15:52<AzaToth>-t says syntax ok
15:52<AzaToth>I'll report an grave bug instead
15:52<dr|z3d>Could be a dependency issue, but that should cause errors.
15:52<AzaToth>sadly I don't find any errors at all
15:53<AzaToth>tried through gdb as well, only a "Program exited with code 0377."
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15:53<AzaToth>perehaps some ABI error?
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15:54<dr|z3d>You could always try a reinstall, AzaToth..
15:54<dr|z3d>Might not help, but it certainly won't hurt, either.
15:55<dr|z3d>A reinstall should retain your settings..
15:55<dr|z3d>Unless you purge them first ;)
15:55<AzaToth>it certainly doesn't solve any underlying proble that affected it
15:55<AzaToth> * Starting web server lighttpd [ OK ]
15:55<AzaToth>[0:0][azatoth@azabox common]$ pidof lighttpd
15:56<AzaToth>probably startup problems regarding webservers isn't noticed until after some years after release
15:56<AzaToth>when they reboot the server
15:56<valdyn>AzaToth: or it starts ok and crashes *after*
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16:03<InkBottle>Hi, when browsing certain web pages with firefox, my screen just turn blank. It comes back after a few seconds
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16:05<InkBottle>this page, with the java aplet running had done it. But I'm definitly sure it's not because of the applet, since I've installed java not long ago and the problem already had occurred before
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17:01<event_done>is adobe reader 'spyware free'?
17:01<jthomas_sb>no one can say for sure, its not FLOSS :)
17:02<simNIX>and it does have holes ...
17:02<event_done>kpdf just seems kinda slow in comparison
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17:03<witte>event_done: i find kpdf much better, the fastest is xpdf, but that has limited features
17:04<bja>event_done: there are a lot of options for that
17:04<witte>event_done: you might also want to try evince
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17:07<event_done>yeah. xpdf does have limited features
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17:10<event_done>witte: kpdf over adobe?
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17:14<dimedo>hi, is there a way to get a list of all loaded kernel modules without the lsmod command? maybe something in /proc?
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17:18<dr|z3d>AzaToth: Great. Hopefully someone will take a look and fix that for you before not too long.
17:19<dondelelcaro>dimedo: if you can load modules, you've got module-init-tools installed, which contains lsmod, so just use it.
17:20<dimedo>oftc'dondelelcaro, if i had it, i wouldn't ask. but i already found out about /proc/modules
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17:20<witte>event_done: yes
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17:49<event_done>what is the speed of a data transfer from one disk to another based on?
17:50<dr|z3d>Mostly the speed of those two discs, and the controller interface, event_done
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17:50<dr|z3d>The OS imposes a slight overhead, also.
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17:51<event_done>dr|z3d: thx
17:52<dr|z3d>Obviously disk cache also plays a part, but that's part of disc speed,
17:53<dr|z3d>Size of the file(s) you're transferring also has an impact, as does the fragmentation on the drives (where applicable).
17:53<event_done>yeah. how does the size of the file have an effect?
17:54<dr|z3d>Well, a big file will write to the drive quicker than lots of small files, usually.
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17:56<dr|z3d>Reading is usually quicker, and writing a single file over multiple smaller ones is quicker also.
17:56<event_done>what do you call the login theme for [kgx]dm?
17:56<event_done>just a login theme?
17:57<dr|z3d>For a dm? Like GDM or KDM you mean?
17:57<Fed51>what are the rules? just ask if ya got an issue?
17:57<dr|z3d>That would likely be called a "greeter theme".
17:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
17:58<Fed51>toshiba satellite, wifi does not wake on resume. i can't figure it out and i've been googling forever
17:58<Fed51>debian lenny btw
17:59<Fed51>anyone know a good link? or a quick fix?
17:59<dr|z3d>Fed51: Newer kernels may address those issues, that's your best bet.
17:59<victor>linux is rulies ))))))))))))))))))
18:00<Fed51>dr|z3d: k, thanks
18:00<dr|z3d>victor: I think you mean "Linux rules!"
18:00<victor>dr|z3d yes )))
18:02<victor>i bad english talk
18:02<Fed51>dr|z3d: will there really be that big of a difference between kernel 2.6.26 and 2.6.29?
18:02<Fed51>i guess it could
18:02<dr|z3d>Fed51: Sure, .29 introduced a lot of fixes, especially for wifi I believe.
18:02<Fed51>i try it
18:02<witte>Fed51: my wireless card is not even supported in 2.6.26, but works without problem on the 2.6.29 kernel
18:03<Fed51>witte: tthat's awesome
18:03<Fed51>ok, i'll go get it
18:03<dr|z3d>It may even boot slightly quicker if you're lucky.
18:03<Fed51>i'll return and let you know
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18:04<k1lumin4t1> I have this pretty old pentium I box which had a RAM module that worked fine. then I tried replacing this RAM module for another one and the machine stopped working. It doesn't send video now. and now when I try with the previous working module it doesn't work anymore
18:04<victor>linux blacktrack 3 cool
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18:05<dr|z3d>k1lumin4t1: Dumpster time!
18:05<bja>k1lumin4t1: replace them back and see if it works again
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18:05<witte>k1lumin4t1: what does not work: nothing? or there are errors?
18:05<k1lumin4t1>witte, nothing, It doesn't send video signal anymorew
18:05<witte>k1lumin4t1: that is not the same
18:06<witte>does it have the normal beeps :-)
18:06<bja>k1lumin4t1: any blinking lights on the machine
18:06<witte>can you log in after boot with ssh?
18:06<k1lumin4t1>witte, well with the original module it did, but after the replacing even with the original one doesn't
18:06<k1lumin4t1>witte, doesn't do any beeping
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18:06<k1lumin4t1>bja, I don't see any
18:06<dr|z3d>Doesn't beep? It's dead.
18:07<witte>k1lumin4t1: might be that you have disconnected some plugs while doing the change. try to fix every module and power plug
18:07<k1lumin4t1>witte, ok
18:07<dr|z3d>k1lumin4t1: No graphics output sounds like a bad graphics adapter.
18:07<dr|z3d>Check that everything inside your box is properly seated.
18:07<k1lumin4t1>dr|z3d, but it used to do output
18:07<witte>k1lumin4t1: dr|z3d's reasoning is the most likely if it is not a bad connection
18:08<dr|z3d>k1lumin4t1: These things die, but check it's not badly seated.
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18:08<witte>k1lumin4t1: you might have touched something and caused a failure with static electricity...
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18:08<k1lumin4t1>witte, :S
18:08<witte>k1lumin4t1: 1000 V static on a human being is not abnormal...
18:09<bja>k1lumin4t1: take a look at the manufacturer web site there usually is a procedure to test system integrity
18:09<dr|z3d>k1lumin4t1: If you have another card you can try also, once you've checked everything's plugged in right, all the better.
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18:09<witte>k1lumin4t1: if it is only the graphics card, you should be able to ssh to the machine
18:10<k1lumin4t1>witte, can't do that... no video no ip seen
18:10<witte>k1lumin4t1: is it in your local network?
18:10<k1lumin4t1>witte, no
18:11<witte>k1lumin4t1: ah, ok
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18:13<bja>k1lumin4t1: is the fan moving
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18:17<Zviper>is there a command to run a command as another user without su-ing?
18:18<stew>Zviper: sudo
18:18<Zviper>where would the username go?
18:18<bja>Zviper: man sudo?
18:20<bja>Zviper: It can also be acomplished through cron but its a long road
18:21<dr|z3d>bja: I think he'll take the easy road, somehow ;)
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18:28<eldowan>my user on kde has screens maximized across both monitors. it didnot used to be this way, and I cannot figure out how to revert to the setting of a maximize only filling one screen. a new user has the correct behavior, and kde sees both screens as seperate when using the identify screens.
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18:30<bja>dr|z3d: :)
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18:33<bja>stew: I think i screwed your bot :(
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18:34<shlengberg>hi, bja
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18:34<shlengberg>are you injoying lenny?
18:34<bja>shlengberg: hi
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18:36<shlengberg>hi, Miguel_ang
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18:41<bja>shlengberg: why the question?
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18:43<shlengberg>just wondering
18:43<shlengberg>i like lenny a lot
18:43<shlengberg>once it is configured
18:44<bja>shlengberg: usually any flavor of linux is more palatable when it is properly configured and customized :)
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18:45<shlengberg>yes, that is true
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18:49<cautionss>how are you
18:50<cautionss>hi shleng
18:51<shlengberg>i'm good
18:51<cautionss>are you a boy or girl
18:51<locklace>cautionss: do you have a debian question
18:51<cautionss>shlen are you a female or male
18:51<locklace>!lart cautionss
18:51*dpkg judo chops cautionss
18:51-!-mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ
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18:52-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
18:52<dondelelcaro>cautionss: let me know if you actually have a Debian related question
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18:52<shlengberg>why does it matter if i'm a gurl or not
18:53<dr|z3d>shlengberg: It doesn't. And it's better to avoid engaging in the first place ;)
18:54<shlengberg>yes, i do not plan to get married
18:56<Kjetil>how can I check why some packages have been kept back from being upgraded ?
18:57<locklace>Kjetil: "apt-cache policy <package>" may be of some help
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18:58<shlengberg>what's better
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18:58<shlengberg>autoclean or clean
18:58<witte>shlengberg: depends
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18:58<witte>shlengberg: one removes all downloaded .deb files, so less space, the other only the old ones, so you have them available if you need to reinstall something
18:58<Kjetil>locklace: didn't give me a solid reason just that my sw is old
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19:00<locklace>Kjetil: can you paste the output to and throw in your sources.list while you're at it
19:00<shlengberg>oh i see, witte.
19:00<shlengberg>thanks for the tip
19:00<shlengberg>how do you completely clean out the old kerner image and related files?
19:01<locklace>shlengberg: aptitude purge should work fine
19:01<witte>shlengberg: apt-get remove linux-image-...
19:01<witte>shlengberg: to list them: dpkg -l |grep linux-image
19:01<Kjetil>locklace: apparently aptitude could update it, apt-get could not.. wierd
19:01<shlengberg>what is aptitude compared to apt get?
19:02<locklace>Kjetil: aptitude is better at resolving dependencies
19:02<dr|z3d>shlengberg: "aptitude autoclean" if you want to remove all cruft including installed debs.
19:02<witte>!why aptitude
19:02<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
19:02<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
19:02<witte>dr|z3d: :P
19:02<shlengberg>isnt that he same as apt get autoremove
19:02*dr|z3d doesn't challenge witte to pistols at dawn. Not tonight, anyways.
19:03<Kjetil>well. then I have a new gnome version.. but it's still buggy \o/
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19:03<dr|z3d>Kjetil: Perhaps you'd prefer Xfce. Just a thought. :)
19:03<shlengberg>my desktop had a kernel panic last night
19:03<shlengberg>i woke up to an lcd screen with some text
19:03<shlengberg>wonder why
19:03<pelox>hi :)
19:04<Kjetil>dr|z3d: hehe :) I used to run xfce on my laptop :)
19:04<locklace>!congratulate shlengberg
19:04<dpkg>Woohoo shlengberg, you did it!
19:04<shlengberg>hi, pelox
19:04<pelox>[Q] How do i patch source with pbuilder? (it´s posible?)
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19:09<shlengberg>is anyone running on a netbook
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19:10<event_done>if nvidia drivers are already installed on a system and an attempt is made to install the debian way what will happen?
19:11<locklace>event_done: demons will fly out of your nose
19:11<bja>event_done: your computer will implode
19:11<bja>event_done: nothing
19:11<event_done>yeah. but will it work
19:11<lupine_85>event_done: probably
19:11<lupine_85>the nvidia installer has an uninstaller too, though, so you could just make use of that
19:11<bja>event_done: it will work normally, did the same thing a wile ago and it works now perfetly
19:12<shlengberg>ify ou install from the installer downloaed on the nvidia site
19:12<shlengberg>then uninstall them first
19:12<shlengberg>using the sh
19:12<event_done>yeah. but how
19:12<event_done>oh, ok
19:12<shlengberg>there are instrucgtinos on the site
19:13<shlengberg>debian 5 works great with nvidia drivers
19:13<bja>event_done: it seems people that have something to do with nvidia tend to typo a lot :)
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19:14<shlengberg>or are on a netbook with a very small kb
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19:18<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
19:18<witte>shlengberg: what is the actual problem?
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19:19<shlengberg>no problem
19:19<witte>i mean with the keyboard
19:19<shlengberg>it's tiny
19:19<shlengberg>which makes it easy to hit multiple keys at once
19:19<shlengberg>my fingers are large
19:20<witte>lol, yeah, that's why it's a netbook
19:20<shlengberg>its cool
19:20<adb>external keyboard may help
19:22<shlengberg>im not carrying that with me to a coffee shop
19:22<shlengberg>thisi s fine
19:23<bja>shlengberg: if you think that is small try to ssh into any server using an ipod touch :)
19:24<shlengberg>i might get an ipod touch with a macbook pro, if i feel like it
19:24<dr|z3d>shlengberg: Sorry to bother, but do you have a Debian support issue we can help with?
19:25<shlengberg>not at this time.
19:26<adb>shlengberg: try #debian-offtopic then
19:26<dr|z3d>Kinda thought that might be the case. :) You might suit #debian-offtopic better, in that case.
19:26<dr|z3d>And what adb said.
19:26*dr|z3d winks.
19:26<shlengberg>well, i was just having a conversation
19:26<shlengberg>there were others replying too
19:27*bja apologises for beeing off-topic
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19:27<shlengberg>didnt know that was a sin in this channel
19:27*locklace shakes fist at others
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19:27<locklace>dpkg: revolution!
19:27<dpkg>eliminate fsck power of brutal event!
19:28<witte>shlengberg: no worries, this is just a support channel, and off-topic talk is not terrible, but not really the goal of the channel
19:28<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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19:41<event_done>sorry: someone say they have nvidia drivers installed on 2.6.29 from bpo?
19:45<event_done>ok. nm. do i need to download sources from somewhere before using the 'nvidia m-a' method?
19:46<witte>!nvidia m-a
19:46<dpkg>The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see
19:46<witte>this should be everything you have to do...
19:46<event_done>yeah. i just read the second apt-get part
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19:48<shlengberg>wutup, money?
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19:59<dpkg><harpal> up365, Is it recommanded that I must have graphics card to do that
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19:59<event_done>sorry: anyone get nvidia drivers built on 2.6.29?
19:59<event_done>or know about the kbuild issue?
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20:01<bja>event_done: you are looking for a build issue over a kernel that is not on any release, that makes things a little improbable to occur. Or at least thats what i think
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20:03<event_done>dunno. kbuild doesn't seem to exist but i did pull this kernel from backports so it might not be compiled yet
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20:05<event_done>dont suppose there is a backports channel/forum?
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20:08<adb>event_done: i386 ?
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20:09<adb>i found one here
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20:10<event_done>what did you find?
20:11<adb>kbuild .29
20:11<Slurb>the 185 drivers compile
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20:12<Slurb>or did you not build your kernel
20:12<event_done>adb: sorry. what version of kbuilld did you find??
20:12*bja thinks he's recent probabilities calculations are way off
20:12<event_done>slurb: i got 2.6.29 from backports
20:13<event_done>while trying to install nvidia using the nvidia m-a method i got an error that kbuild was not installable
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20:14<adb>event_done: moment , i'll give you the url
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20:14<Slurb>backports seems to be like unstable
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20:14<Slurb>what is backports anyway...i thought it was older software
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20:14<dpkg>it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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20:15<Slurb>i c
20:16<Slurb>how can i force a package to install if apt sees conflict
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20:16<jaimesilva>Hello everyone!
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20:17<Slurb>or even better how can i tell apt to not see the conflict anymore
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20:18<jaimesilva>I have a COMPAQ CQ2001LA, It came with Red Flag Linux preinstalled, personally I didn't like it at all, since it is an atom based desktop pc are there any special tips to install Debian on it?
20:18<jaimesilva>or can I just put the installer CD on it and that's it?
20:18<dondelelcaro>jaimesilva: in general, yes
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20:19<dondelelcaro>jaimesilva: there may be specific issues for that machine, but quite often it'll just work
20:20<jaimesilva>so I can install it like any other desktop?
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20:20<bja>jaimesilva: before you do anything, it might be wise to get the config files for some of your programs like X to see if any special module is needed
20:21<bja>or your wireless card
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20:21<bja>why bother to solve something that someone has allready solved for you :)
20:21<adb>event_done: wget
20:21<jaimesilva>I have seen there are special considerations for Eee and Acer Aspire One, but it seems to be about screen size an peripherals, this machine seems to have only an atom procesor but everything else is like a normal PC
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20:22<bja>jaimesilva: Take it as a precaution :)
20:22<bja>Don't need to do it at all
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20:24<jaimesilva>btw, I can see now why "regular" people don't like preinstalled linux desktops, this preinstalled distros are ugly, short in features and no one knows them, I mean "red flag" I had never heard of it
20:26<event_done>adb: where did you get that package?
20:27<adb>was in repos few ddays ago
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20:27<event_done>which repos?
20:30<locklace>jaimesilva: "red flag linux"? wtf. isn't that the linux distribution sponsored by the chinese government
20:31<locklace>jaimesilva: i'd give any machine preinstalled with that a half-dozen low-level formats and still think twice about using it
20:31<event_done>or any emachines. lol
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20:36<jaimesilva>locklace, yes it is that distro and here in Pereira, Colombia it is displayed running Windows XP, and when I asked "but if it says Linux in the tag, why is it running XP?" they said: "well, we format them an give with XP or anyone will buy them, but no license included"
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20:37<jaimesilva>locklace, why low level format? are you afraid of what chinese gov. may have put in it?
20:38<locklace>aren't you?
20:38<locklace>they probably have "green dam youth escort" burned into rom
20:39<jaimesilva>locklace, I live in Colombia, I have nearer bigger problems to be afraid of
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20:40<locklace>good point
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21:01<vik>how can I get nautilus to not open a new window every time I open a folder?
21:01<vik>Am running gnome/nautilus 2.26
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21:02<bja>vik: under options look for a place that makes it behave like a browser
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21:04<vik>bja: thanks; can't find any options like that
21:04<vik>bja: actual, found it
21:04<vik>'always open in browser window'
21:05<bja>there you go
21:06<vik>tried that before, but didn't seem to do anything - there seemed to be some lag between setting and it taking effect :-/
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21:14<hartmans>I managed to cook my video card (fan failed) and I replaced it with a Geforce 7800gt sitting around the house. It's not working and I'm wondering if I can get advice determining whether the cooked card damaged the mother board or whether it's just crappy drivers/config error
21:15<hartmans>gdm appears to be fine, but whenever I actually start something with a bit more graphics usage, the X server hangs and requires sigkill to kill. ctrl-alt-bpsp doesn't do anything.
21:15<bja>hartmans: any smoke marks on the computer or any blown capacitors?
21:16<bja>hartmans: forget what i Just said
21:16<hartmans>I don't think there was any smoke or obvious blown caps.
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21:17<hartmans>I have not tried under windows--that's an obvious thing to do although somewhat difficult.
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21:28<ml|>how can i find out if screen was complied with 256 colors?
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21:30<adb> compiled * ?
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21:31<ml|>adb: debian package yes oops
21:31<Slurb>its always nice to see an old friend and by friend i mean mirc
21:31<Slurb>funny being in here like this it feels kinda wrong
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21:34<jaimesilva>mirc! that word takes me back in time to my university computer lab in the 90's!
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21:40<enouf>ml i see --enable-colors256 here;;ver=4.0.3-13;arch=i386;stamp=1239961811
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21:42<enouf>ml|: it's also in here; which is Lenny's version and which i easily view in my web browser
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21:43<enouf> <--basically, started there
21:44<ml|>enouf: thank you, trying get vim working correctly with vim color wise
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21:46<enouf>ml|: there might be some funk in your $TERM variable?
21:46<ml|>$TERM is set to screen
21:46<cutiecat>does anyone know why the pcm volume control sometimes mutes?
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21:47<ml|>vim -T xterm-256color .screenrc works fine so it does use 256 colors
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21:50<enouf>ml|: file:///usr/share/vim/vim72/colors/README.txt ?
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21:53<ml|>but i wonder why i need to use that or export TERM=xterm-color
21:53<ml|>or that's just how it is?
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21:55<ml|>need to do that for screen and xterm, works fine with urxvt
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21:56<adb>ml|: i have 'export TERM=xterm-256color' in .bashrc
21:57<ml|>adb: i meant to say above xterm-256color, does that affect anything?
21:58<adb>i dunno
21:59<ml|>adb: what term do you use?
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22:02<ml|>ok just wondering if it will affect urxvt, will do some searching thanks
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22:20<ml|>just incase someone might find this helpful, adding term screen-256color
22:20<enouf>all i know is irssi docs say using xterm-color is a hack :-p
22:20<ml|>to screenrc works
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22:33<epsas>anybody really good with xorg.conf configuration?
22:33<epsas>i need to set my output to 2048x768 @ 60hz
22:34<adb> 1024x768 ?
22:34<enouf>VirtualDisplay ?
22:34<enouf>man xorg.conf?
22:34<epsas>no - 2048x768
22:35<dpkg>hmm... xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection.
22:35<epsas>i have been through that
22:35<enouf>!dual monitors
22:35<dpkg>For a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See,, Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>.
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23:08<jappy1984>hi anyone here?
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23:25<event_done>hey. what's the most light weight wm i could use?
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23:26<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>.
23:27<event_done>yeah. right. so i tried icewm and xfce, and i'm wondering if any of you guys have any experience with wm's that have even lower overhead
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23:33<simNIX>if you waited I'd mention lxde ...
23:34<craigevil>lxde rocks
23:35<edbian>I just had a very strange problem. For roughly 1 1/2 minutes my mouse was almost completely non-responsive.
23:36<edbian>The system was running fine (I was using compiz key-bindings and they were smooth as glass). Barring a hardware issue does anybody have any ideas?
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23:42<Jids>i'm triple-booting xp, win7, and Debian, but i get "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7\nsavedefault\n\nError 29: Disk write error" when i try to go to the windows loader from grub... how do i fix it?
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23:45<simNIX>I dont multiboot
23:46<simNIX>if no answer here maybe check #grub on freenode
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23:48<Jids>ty simNIX
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23:48<johns>So, I just got a thinkpad x200 tablet from ebay, and I'm trying to figure out whether it actually has the MultiTouch display as it's supposed to. But since wacom support (as packaged) maybe isn't working yet, I'm trying to figure out how to tell.
23:49<Jids>simNIX: there's no one there...
23:49<johns>From the pictures it sure looks like the non-touch version, but is there any place where the screen model might be visible? I checked lshw and the xorg log
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23:53<simNIX>maybe bedtime now for most ... quite busy ther mostly
23:54<simNIX>37 people loged in currently
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23:55<simNIX>I dont see yuo loged in there Jids - are you maybe not on Freenode ?
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23:57<Jids>oh gah
23:57<Jids>i thought this was freenode >.<
23:59<simNIX>I understand the asumption
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