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---Logopened Thu Jun 25 00:00:11 2009
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00:00<Zviper>anyone here have experience with drftpd?
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00:01<simNIX>wonders what it cures ;)
00:01<simNIX>no sorry
00:02<simNIX>distributed ftp - interesting ..
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00:08<simNIX>Zviper, I spot on there wiki; If you use IRC, connect to EFnet and join #drftpd
00:10<Zviper>yeh i've been trying to ask questions
00:10<Zviper>but it's dead in there
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00:12<Jids>simNIX: no one's answering... do you know any other place where i could get help?
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00:14<simNIX>this is very specific ... maybe try at another time of day or in #Linux on freenode maybe - but also there better at ather part day I think
00:15<simNIX>also I see they have a mailing list - I have had good responce from mailing lists in the past
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00:18<Jids>would it be a problem with grub or with something else though?
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00:31<enouf>Jids: it sounds like a grub issue
00:31<enouf>but #grub only supports grub2 now, hasn;t supported 1 for long time now - /msg dpkg grub errors
00:31<Jids>enouf: i just got help from #Linux on Freenode, restarting right now and hoping it works...
00:32<Jids>nope same problem
00:33<Jids> if it'll help... i replaced "root" with "rootnoverify" in the Windows section
00:34<enouf>sounds correct, however; from the factoid i mentioned; 29 : Disk write error This error is returned if there is a disk write error when trying to write to a particular disk. This would generally only occur during an install of set active partition command.
00:35<enouf>Jids: and i don't boot NT at all (on my linux boxen atleast), but here's a detailed page that might eventually help you -
00:35<Jids>would it be a grub issue or a different issue?
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00:36<Jids>it was working before for a few days after installing Debian, iirc... although i could be wrong
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00:36<enouf>it might be your NTLOADER, Boot.ini, NTDETECT.COM, i don't know ..
00:37<joseph>i have created a new .desc file in taksel as: and when i run tasksel in the console i get these errors: can anyone help me how i can fix this problem
00:37<enouf>Jids: why would you use dual boot loaders though?
00:37<Jids>what do you mean?
00:37<enouf>"when i try to go to the windows loader from grub"
00:38<Jids>i have a Kubuntu LiveCD on hand... Debian can't access my win partitions
00:38<Jids>well it's an option that's there =/
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00:39<joseph>Jids; you have to install ntfs-3g
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00:39<enouf>grub can most certainly boot windows installations - no idea about win7, but you should check also your BIOS disk boot order, /boot/grub/ and menu.lst
00:39<edbian_>I found that there is a "tile" plugin in compiz-extra-plugins. It leaves a lot to be desired. Is there a tiling window manager that is more user friendly than some of the alternatives? Possibly one that has a panel to launch apps? I searched the repos but the descriptions are usually vague and just ramble on and on about the tile algorithm.
00:40<enouf>you might need to remove any /boot/grub/default* files, or mv them out of the way
00:40<simNIX>im not sure what a tiling windwos manager is -- you meen a light one ?
00:40<joseph>Jids; check this
00:40<joseph>i have created a new .desc file in taksel as: and when i run tasksel in the console i get these errors: can anyone help me how i can fix this problem
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00:41<enouf>Jids: and joseph ntfs-3g is a FUSE based thing to allow users to rw to ntfs ... nothing more
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00:42<dpkg>somebody said xwinman was probably - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL!
00:42<Jids>enouf: there's only one line in, "(hd0) /dev/sda"
00:42<edbian>I any suggestions to get me started?
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00:42<Jids>menu.lst is uploaded on the link i posted earlier
00:42<enouf>Jids: and how does that compare to your various menu.lst settings?
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00:43<edbian>enouf: Thank you! (neat website)
00:45<Jids>enouf: should it be "(hd0,0) /dev/sda" instead?
00:45<enouf>Jids: within the grub shell, "find /boot/grub/stage1"
00:45<enouf>Jids: wait
00:45<enouf>remove 144. savedefault
00:45<enouf>line 144
00:46<enouf>rootnoverify and chainloader +1 is correct
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00:52<Jids>enouf: removing savedefault didn't help
00:52<enouf>Jids: same error?
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00:54<dpkg>enzovin: VATTENE VIA
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01:07<twb>aptitude search ~U lists all upgradable packages.
01:07<twb>How can I list ONLY those upgradable packages from lenny/updates?
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01:12<knoppix_>Hola hola
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01:15<Guest744>YA PS
01:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:17<avu>twb, you could add ~Astable for example
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01:18<enouf>twb: are you pinning? mixing Releases? using backports?
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01:18<enouf>or .. was that a reference to security?
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01:21<twb>enouf: actually, I'm trying to do something incredibly stupid.
01:22<twb>Part of the problem was that the box that I *actually* want it to work on is Ubuntu, meaning 1) it has no "stable" alias, and 2) it has too old an aptitude to handle ?upgradable
01:22<twb>Anyway, this does what I want for the box in question:
01:22<twb>aptitude search '~U ~S ~Ahardy-security ~VCANDIDATE'
01:23<twb>"upgradable packages for which a single version is both from hardy-security and the install/upgrade candidate version"
01:24<enouf>hrm ...
01:25<enouf>Jids: how's it going? is vista on sda1? debian on sda3 and where is your /boot ? on sda3? or a separate partition?
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01:26<Jids>enouf: <-- got this from someone in ##Linux on Freenode... i set my xp partition as bootable and i got to the windows bootloader and it works now :D
01:26<Jids>thanks a lot for your help :)
01:27<enouf>Jids: ok then ;-)
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01:27<enouf>moral of the story is? vista blows up one's computer :-p
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01:29<enouf>Jids: your boot flag for windows wasn't set?
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01:30<Jids>enouf: xp's on sda1, win7's on sda2 and Debian's on sda3 w/ swap on sda5, /boot is on sda3... nope, it wasn't set
01:30<Jids>i removed the boot flag for Debian, and i haven't tried booting into that yet as i need xp for a bit
01:31<Jids>if i can't boot into Debian... well let's hope that this Kubuntu disk'll help
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01:31<enouf>Jids: linux doesn't need to boot flag
01:31<Jids>k good :D
01:32<enouf>but .,.. see windows wants to be 1st disk, 1st partition, so ... likely due to sda2 you were trying to boot - see the map option in grub
01:33<enouf>Jids: using cfdisk, it's easy to toggle bootable flags (on/off) there are other tools/ways
01:33<Jids>yeah, i'd toggled sda2 first and it didn't work
01:33<Jids>i figured the bootloader would be on the win7 partition rather than the xp partition, but i was wrog
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01:37<enouf>Jids: awe crud.. i forgot. the map option is for mapping various disks, NOT partitions within one disk - so anyways, if you want to toy to try and tweak, from the URL i posted earlier; see at the top the area that says
01:37<enouf>" Vista users , please visit the following web-page for a Vista-specific dual boot how-to by molly_001, DUAL BOOT VISTA and LINUX (Ubuntu 6.06) Also for Vista Users, EasyBCD"
01:38<Jids>enouf: what do you mean?
01:38<Jids>wrt map option
01:41<enouf>you should be able to read /usr/share/doc/grub/*.html if installed
01:41<Jids>by non-first, does it mean w/ windows /not/ on the first primary partition?
01:43<enouf>and 1st system HDD
01:43<enouf> < enouf> but .,.. see windows wants to be 1st disk, 1st partition, so ...
01:44<enouf>hd0,1 (for grub2 IINM)
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01:45<Jids>ah cool
01:45<Jids>but you'd still have to reinstall grub, right?
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01:52<Student>Greetings Every One :)))
01:52<Student>i have a question regarding debian
01:53<Student>if some bad ppl from inside can cause a huge damage to windows , why this thing is not possible with debian?
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01:57<Student>any1 home?\
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02:06<hira>is any1 here
02:06<Student>whatz up?
02:06<hira>how ru
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02:09<Student>well your nick sounded middle eastern to me hira
02:10<ajavid>middle eastern?
02:10<ajavid>its not even close to being 'middle' eastern
02:10<Student>why is that?
02:10<ajavid>because its armenian...
02:10<Student>there is cave HIRA near Makkah
02:11<ajavid>thats cave Hyra
02:11<ajavid>like Hirr Aa
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02:11<ajavid>like Hirr Ah
02:11<ajavid>hira == heeera
02:11<Student>this hira = diamond
02:11<ajavid>thats hindi
02:11<ajavid>hira in hindi == diamond
02:11<ajavid>hira == armenian
02:12<ajavid>originally sanksrit
02:12<ajavid>then again what didnt' come from eramaic, latin or sanskrit
02:12<Student>hira is south asian
02:12<hira>hira cave
02:12<hira>wer u guys frm
02:12<ajavid>let me just throw it out there
02:12<ajavid>I'm arab.
02:12<twb>hira: a land of vowels.
02:12<ajavid>you don't argue with me about my language.
02:12<hira>i am indian
02:12<ajavid>simple as that.
02:13<Student>ajavid you are just a kid with arabic
02:13<ajavid>aur meri hindi/urdu bhi bohot achhi hai.
02:13<Student>ajavid simple as that :p
02:13<ajavid>punjabi wi bol lenda waan
02:13<Student>ajavid topiyan nahee karaoooo
02:13<hira>my native language is malayalam
02:13<Student>ajavid chotee motee larkee teree batoon mein phans jayay gee not me :P
02:13<ajavid>mein 8 zabaney bolta hoon
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02:13<Student>hira ic
02:13<ajavid>let me fucking end this right now
02:13<Student>ajavid haan bhee tou machine hooo
02:13<hira>no boasting here,ajavid :P
02:13<ajavid>Student, how many langauge do you speak?
02:13<Student>ajavid you can't just end it right now
02:14<Student>ajavid a lot more than you can even expect :P
02:14<ajavid>I just speak one
02:14<ajavid>01001011000 10010 01 01
02:14<hira>i speak only 3
02:14<ajavid>with my language I can steal your identify
02:14<ajavid>your sexual fantasies
02:14<ajavid>yoru money
02:14<ajavid>your bank account
02:14<ajavid>any country
02:14<ajavid>any place
02:14<ajavid>any fucking time
02:14<ajavid>I multitask like you breath
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02:15<ajavid>I coudln't think as slow as you if I tried
02:15<ajavid>good evening.
02:15<Student>now that was messy
02:15<Student>you cheap thing
02:15<hira>it is noon here
02:15<hira>and raining toooo
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02:15<Student>cool hira
02:15<hira>hey student,wot ru studyin
02:15<ajavid>Student, I speak read and write 12 languages fluently
02:16<ajavid>Student, I know an additional 2 verbally, and I'm learning 1 more as we speak
02:16<Student>ajavid oh good for you
02:16<ajavid>I'm not boasting
02:16<ajavid>just saying
02:16<Student>ajavid and you are still single :P
02:16<ajavid>when it comes to my shit,I know wtf I'm talking about
02:16<Student>and can't get a real girl friend
02:16<hira>it says some 40+ ppl here in this chatroom,wer r they?
02:16<ajavid>how does that matter?
02:16<ajavid>1) you don't know me
02:16<ajavid>2) you have no idea what my life is like
02:16<Student>whatever ajavid
02:16<ajavid>3) and you're sititng here attacking someone on irc about a girlfriend?
02:16<Student>but you know i was saying truth about your life
02:17<ajavid>how fucking pathetic ar eyou?
02:17<hira>ajavid,is ur lyf that bad?
02:17<Student>ajavid how stupid are you? :P
02:17<ajavid>I'm very stupid at times
02:17<ajavid>as all humans are
02:17<ajavid>and I'm also very smart at times
02:17<ajavid>as all humans are
02:17<Student>well you normally are stupid
02:17<ajavid>you don't even know me...
02:17<hira>ajavid,pls dnt use the word 'fuck'.ppl who has no culture use it
02:17<Student>where is your Stop butto ajavid
02:17<ajavid>people WITH culture use the word fuck
02:17<ajavid>fuck is avery versatile word
02:18<hira>justificatons prevent u frm progress
02:18<ajavid>you can use it as a noun or an adjective, or any number of ways
02:18<ajavid>its people like you who gives words the negative power
02:18<ajavid>fuck is a very good word
02:19<ajavid>the most versatile word in the entire english lanauge
02:19<hira>now a days it has become a hobby 4 sum1 to use such words
02:19<ajavid>some people use it soo much it loses meaning
02:19<ajavid>every other word from thier mouth is 'fuck'
02:19<Student>hira well you will be all stumped after the end of conversation
02:19<ajavid>with that, I agree with you
02:19<Student>some ppl will never understand
02:19<hira>just think,will u use it infront of ur dad&mom?
02:19<Student>there is no such stop button in ajavid
02:19<ajavid>because my mom and dad are grown adults and they treat me like a grown adult
02:20<ajavid>my parents are idiots
02:20<ajavid>they don't treat me like a child
02:20<ajavid>are not idiots(
02:20<hira>ha ha
02:20<Student>your parents are idiots? :P
02:20<Student>what are you talking about :P
02:20<Student>you need to learn a lot
02:20<ajavid>all our parents are idiots at times
02:20<hira>student , see, ajavid is rolling upon his own words !
02:20<Student>ajavid where in Arab?
02:20<ajavid>just becuase they are parens doesn't mean they can't make mistakes or do stupid thigns
02:20<ajavid>wtf is the matter with you?
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02:21<ajavid>it doesn't matter where I'm from
02:21<Student>you are afraid of it
02:21<ajavid>Student, you've got a stupid mentality of the typical desi asshole
02:21<Student>never mind
02:21<hira>y r u so angry,ajavid?
02:21<Student>lol @ desi asshole
02:21<ajavid>I'm very hyper
02:21<Student>you see you are a angry person ajavid :P
02:21<ajavid>I talk fast and I am not afraid to say wtf i wanna say
02:21<Student>ajavid being hyper is not good
02:21<Student>it is bad
02:21<ajavid>if i come off as angry then go for it
02:21<hira>i think u r pretending to b hyper
02:21<Student>ajavid whatever
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02:22<ajavid>Student, look man
02:22<Student>ajavid is just trying to get laid
02:22<hira>in the real world u r a weak guy
02:22<ajavid>you're this random dude online
02:22<Student>to have a fuck :P
02:22<ajavid>so is hira
02:22<ajavid>does you really think I give a fuck about you?
02:22<ajavid>you can live forever and be happy
02:22<ajavid>or you can die right now
02:22<ajavid>and it would make no diff to me
02:22<Student>ajavid do you think we give a fuck about you ? :P
02:22<ajavid>Student, apparantly
02:22<ajavid>Student, you've done nothing but throw attacks my way
02:22<Student>ja ghar jaaa
02:22<Student>nikaal abhee
02:22<Student>baaarish :))))
02:23<Student>hira where in india?
02:23<hira>ajavid, hut jaa :P
02:23<ajavid>and this is another reason why I don't get along with the typical indian/paki people
02:23<ajavid>they are just fucking moronic
02:23<Student>ajavid you are just a kid who takes lot of crap
02:23<ajavid>most of them
02:23<dpkg>hello, twb
02:23<dpkg>somebody said in was India. For Debian India, see #debian-in
02:23<Student>hi dpkg
02:23<Student>hi twb
02:23<ajavid>this is fucked up
02:23<hira>student , it doesnt matter wer i am frm ( ajavid's version) :P
02:23<ajavid>why is this #debian?
02:23<Student>hira where in india?
02:24<ajavid>holy shit... wrong fucking channel....
02:24<Student>you too brutus :PP
02:24<Student>ajavid go away
02:24<ajavid>I though tyou were in #music
02:24<Student>ajavid make room for us to breath
02:24<ajavid>Student, please keep it on topic
02:24<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
02:24<ajavid>thank you
02:24<Student>i asked a question
02:24<ajavid>i missed it
02:24<Student>but never get replied
02:24<ajavid>please ask it again
02:25<Jids>enouf: if windows isn't on the first primary partition, it'd replace the bootloader, no?
02:25<hira>ok...debian debian debian debiandebian :P
02:25<hira>kids lol
02:25<Student>i asked why debian is different from Windows? if windows can get viruses and worms, why not debian?
02:25<Jids>hira: Jids, not kids
02:25<hira>jids kids jids windows ubuntu no yes :P lol
02:25<ajavid>Student, you can find the answer for this on google
02:25<Jids>hira: no
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02:26<ajavid>Student, its not debian specifically, its linux in general
02:26<Jids>straight-up Debian
02:26<hira>jids sudo
02:26<ajavid>Student, linux is less prone to worms/virii than windows, because of its inherent security architecture as a NOS
02:26<ajavid>widnows is not a NOS, and as such, security was not a main feature
02:26<Jids>hira: su
02:26<hira>ajavid , dnt lie
02:26<hira>WINDOWS IS GUD
02:26<ajavid>also, security is a compromise between security and usability, you give up some usability in order to have security, this is the fundamental thing
02:27<ajavid>NOS = network operating system
02:27<kenyon>oh god
02:27<Student>ajavid well basically windows security has been broken from inside most of the times by a local developer or programmer who try to public the codes
02:27<hira>ajavid, actually security and usability has no relation
02:27<ajavid>Student, this channel is not for the discussion of windows security and/or how it compares to #debian
02:27<ajavid>Student, you need to go to ##linux as it is amore generic linux channel and you can compare windows vs linux security there
02:28<hira>ajavid, these linux ppl r making computing really complicated
02:28<ajavid>hira, once again, offtopic
02:28<dpkg>R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. To install: aptitude install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r".
02:28<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
02:28<ajavid>twb, you can also /msg dpkg
02:28<ajavid>!tell twb -about dpkgbot
02:28<twb>ajavid: that information is for hira's benefit. I guess I should have used -about
02:28<craigevil>complicated? my 10 yr old knows how to run linux, he installs his own packages and maintains his own system
02:28<Student>ajavid what version of debian are you using?
02:29<ajavid>Student, all of them.
02:29<Student>i have seen version 5 is that safe to use?
02:29<ajavid>it is the best debian so far.
02:29<twb>craigevil: that just means your kid is more intelligent that most lusers
02:29<Student>ajavid you meant to say the graphic vice?
02:29<hira>twb , u r gr8
02:29<twb>hira: plonk
02:29<ajavid>debian lenny 5.0 is THE best debian to date.
02:30<ajavid>please use 5.0
02:30<Student>ok let me try
02:30<Student>i was trying to burn the bootable cd
02:30<Student>but it stops during the setup
02:30<ajavid>this isn't even the right network! omg
02:30<ajavid>I'm on oftc?!!
02:30<twb>Student: you should certainly avoid Debian releases *prior* to 5.0, as these do not receive security updates.
02:30<ajavid>jeezus wtf is going on with my irssi...
02:30<Student>now i have to try a different cD or different method of installation
02:30<hira>ajavid , ofcorse, u r offtopic
02:30<Student>twb ok
02:31<ajavid>at first I thought I was in #music on freenode, then on #debian on frenode, but now i find out its #debian on oftc
02:31<Student>cool ajavid
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02:31<ajavid>ya'll don't kow me here lol, glad i haven't been kicked yet
02:31<Student>ajavid you need to REST :P
02:31<ajavid>I think so
02:32<ajavid>Student, allah hafiz, fi aman allah, vanda matram, pakistan zinabad!
02:32<Student>ajavid :P
02:32<Student>ajavid where can i find you? for your hyper theory and all? :P
02:32<Student>ajavid basically i am from Karachi
02:32<ajavid>im from lahore
02:33<Student>lahore ;))) the city of my berth
02:33<hira>linux fans never understand wot the world needs, if u wanna sustain in future u'll have to be user friendly. in future , computers will be very frdly, no codes will be there, v will use human languages to commonicate with computers.
02:33<ajavid>you can find me on #debian #debian-chat
02:33<Student>ajavid actually i was born in Lady Willington hospital
02:33<ajavid>on oftc I'm only idling, as I only talk in #debian-devel and #debian-mentors on oftc
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02:33<ajavid>and #debian-boot on oftc
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02:33<hira>ajavid, v no more r able to bear u :P
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02:33<ajavid>but I'm mostly only active in freenode #debian and #debian-chat
02:34<Student>let me join there
02:34<hira>let me unjoin there
02:34<ajavid>its the biggest debian channel in the world
02:34<ajavid>oftc is relatively new, few years ago debian moved here
02:34<hira>i wanna make it smallest
02:35<ajavid>officially redirected to
02:35<ajavid>but the biggest oldest channel is still on frenode
02:35<Student>ajavid so you understand oftc is the future
02:35<ajavid>I am a future
02:35<Student>so why not join in here
02:35<ajavid>no.. I am THE future.
02:35<Student>you are a future? :P
02:35<Student>what are you talking about?
02:35<Student>you are just nothing
02:36<ajavid>Student, enough chatter, good night. Find me there, or at
02:36<hira>it is noon here
02:36<hira>bing rockz
02:37<hira>bye alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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02:39<vik>when I maximize an app in gnome, it maximizes all the way past the gnome panels i.e. it make the window 1024x768, with the titlebar of the window behind the gnome panel (same for the bottom). any ideas?
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02:44<twb>vik: IIRC this is a bug in metacity.
02:44<twb>vik: you need to find a version of metacity that doesn't have this problem, or change WM (e.g. to sawfish)
02:44<vik>twb: thnx
02:45<mhymn>you might also want to ask in some more gnome specific places
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02:47<twb>mhymn: IME they aren't very receptive :-(
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02:51<vik>debian system; thought I'd start at the debian channel :)
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02:53<mhymn>vik: twb: weird!! -->
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03:21<Nazcafan>In my package database (synaptic) I can see a legacy package called gcc-3.3-doc, it is marked as uninstalled, however it is impossible to make it disappear
03:22<Nazcafan>it seems to adte from the sarge epoch
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03:23<mhymn>Nazcafan: what did you do to make it disappear?
03:24<simonrvn>Nazcafan: try removing it from aptitude, but do purge
03:25<Nazcafan>I usually purge the packages that appear in the "Local" origin, in synaptic, but I can't for this one
03:26<Nazcafan>simonrvn: it is still there
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03:27<simonrvn>you hit `_' on it, then `g' ?
03:27<Nazcafan>simonrvn: I beg your perdon?
03:28<simonrvn>in aptitude
03:28<simonrvn>don't beg, it's undignified ;p
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03:28<Nazcafan>simonrvn: aptitude purge gcc-3.3-doc
03:28<Nazcafan>that is what I did
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03:30<simonrvn>Nazcafan: and there's no files in that package left in the system? check /var/lib/dpkg/info for it too
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03:30<simonrvn>s,in that,from that,
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03:31<twb>I am writing a script in /etc/cron.daily.
03:32<twb>How do I get its output sent somewhere other than the normal place, a la MAILTO in a simple cron script?
03:32<Nazcafan>simonrvn: [09:32:18 fou@majnoun:info]$ls -hl gcc-3-*
03:32<Nazcafan>ls: cannot access gcc-3-*: No such file or directory
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03:33<Nazcafan>I don't know why it is listed in synaptic, since I can not find it with apt-cache
03:33<simonrvn>how about in the status file? (i bet it is there) - one dir up from that
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03:34<Nazcafan>simonrvn: nope
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03:35<Nazcafan>simonrvn: ah wait
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03:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
03:37<Nazcafan>there are also entries for gcc-3.3
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03:38<simonrvn>run an update from aptitude, then open it up to the TUI. look down under obsolete and local, hit [ (or ]) and look for those there. there might be something present.
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03:40<dpkg>hmm... tui is text user interface
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03:45<Nazcafan>dpkg: it doesn't show up on aptitude
03:45<dpkg>Nazcafan: bugger all, i dunno
03:45<Nazcafan>simonrvn: : it doesn't show up on aptitude
03:46<Nazcafan>simonrvn: I searched in the "obsolete and locally built" section, it is not there
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03:48<simonrvn>looks like you'll have to do some surgery... MAKE A BACKUP FIRST ;)
03:49<Nazcafan>what is the operation process?
03:49<simonrvn>removing those entries
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03:50<simonrvn>make sure you don't have anythign in /usr/share /usr/lib /usr/bin etc. first
03:50<simonrvn>from those packages
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03:51<valdyn>twb: command | mail -s subject name@domain.tld
03:51<twb>valdyn: you can't do that from within the script, for the script itself.
03:51<valdyn>twb: sure you can
03:51<twb>No, exec() can only redirect to files.
03:52<twb>Unless you're suggesting it be done for a subset of the script, which would discard its exit status due to being the input of a pipeline.
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03:53<valdyn>twb: Im only suggesting to use the mail command. How exactly is up to you and trivial
03:53<twb>valdyn: it's not.
03:54<twb>bash -ec 'false | true; echo exection should not reach this point'
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03:58<valdyn>twb: im not sure what you problem is, bash is turing complete, you can write whatever you want
03:59<valdyn>twb: you can use two scripts, you can capture temporary output in a tmp file or environment variable or use tee or whatever
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05:39<joseph>hey i a added additional tasks in a .desc file and i placed it at /usr/share/tasksel/. I have pasted the code at but i get certain errors that i have pasted at
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05:40<themill>joseph: look at line 5 of your .desc very carefully
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05:41<joseph>themill; ohh i mistakenly deleted the number
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05:43<m6m_wrk>Hello, i'm having issues with 32bit java on my 64bit system, after an update it was deleted and now i'm unable to reinstall it, it says that it's conflicted
05:43<m6m_wrk>is there a workaround for this?
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05:43<joseph>themill; this is the new error that i recieve now: i am able to select my task and then when i select Ok the progress bar appears but there seems to be no progress and then it closes suddenly showing this error that i pasted
05:44<chealer>!tell m6m_wrk about bat
05:44<themill>joseph: btw I'm also surprised that line 124 of your .desc doesn't cause tasksel to crash
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05:46<themill>err line 14 not line 124.
05:46*themill goes in search of coffee
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05:48<m6m_wrk>apt-get install ia32-sun-java5-bin
05:48<m6m_wrk>Reading package lists... Done
05:51<joseph>themill; there's no line 124...the last line is 16
05:52<petemc>10:46 < themill> err line 14 not line 124.
05:53<joseph>themill; ok
05:54<joseph>joseph; but whats the error?? it looked fine to me
05:54<joseph>themill; ohh yes that was stupid of me...
05:54<joseph>themill; i got the mistake
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05:56<joseph>themill, petmec; this is the code now: but i still get that error i pasted at:
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06:07<leikh>How can I reduce the memory footprint of the clamd and spamd processes?
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06:07<dr|z3d>leikh: Compile the code yourself and remove the cruft.
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06:09<leikh>dr|z3d: is the code really that bad?
06:09<edwin>leikh: are you using a lot of 3rdparty DBs for clamd?
06:10<leikh>edwin: just the defaults
06:10<dr|z3d>I don't know. You'd have to look yourself. Probably not, but then, reducing a memory footprint isn't as easy as you might think.
06:10<edwin>then you shouldn't have more than 100M of memusage on 64-bit system
06:10<edwin>is yours much more than that?
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06:12<faust>Hi there!
06:12<themill>leikh: spamd uses a large amount of memory and there's not much you can do about it. Don't run to many instances of it at once to make sure you don't start swapping and it runs OK.
06:12<leikh>edwin: no, it's actually just above 80M. So I guess I can't complain then... Spamd is about 90M...
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06:12<faust>I've got a problem with NFS - I installed nfs-kernel-server, changed the /etc/exports but can't access it from another client. If I connect from localhost, it works. Any ideas, please?
06:14<leikh>themill: I see three spamd processes. Can I limit number of child procesess?
06:15<themill>leikh: 3 is probably a fair compromise between throughput and memory footprint -- depending on how much memory your box has of course. If you're running spamd from the init script, look at /etc/default/spamassassin -- there's a --max-children option in there
06:17<leikh>themill: thx for your help
06:17<snogglethorpe>any idea why "id3 -l FILE" would say "FILE: No ID3 tag", when the file seems to be tagged -- e.g., audacious2's "info" dialog shows artist/title etc for FILE
06:17<m6m_wrk>soo i'm pretty much screwed
06:18<themill>m6m_wrk: welcome to sid
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06:20<dr|z3d>sid, lenny, squeeze.. all Debian releases..
06:20<snogglethorpe>m6m_wrk: you can usually install packages from stable/oldstable if necessary, but it can take some futzing around to resolve the conflicts (aptitude helps a lot)
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06:22<m6m_wrk>i'm using aptitude but it refuses to resolve the conflicts
06:22<m6m_wrk>it doesnt resolve the conflicts
06:22<m6m_wrk>score 215
06:23<dr|z3d>That requires your manual input.
06:23<dr|z3d>You need to determine what you want aptitude to do..
06:23<dr|z3d>Usually the first offered resolution is the best.
06:24<themill>m6m_wrk: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l ia32-sun-java5-bin ia32-libs libc6 libc6-i386; apt-cache policy"
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06:26<gsimmons>snogglethorpe: Using ID3v2 tags within instead? Try id3v2 -l FILE
06:27<snogglethorpe>gsimmons: i tried taht, and it gave _exactly_ the same error message (which was a bit odd, i thought)
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06:28<themill>m6m_wrk: why are you using unstable? This is particularly pertinent since you don't seem to know a lot about debian, package dependencies/resolution, etc. You shouldn't be using sid if you don't know how to get yourself out of trouble.
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06:29<m6m_wrk>but isn't learning by doing the way to go?
06:30<valdyn>m6m_wrk: ia32-libs is broken in sid, not aptitude
06:30<gsimmons>snogglethorpe: I wonder if you're hitting bug #309278.
06:30<snogglethorpe>gsimmons: hmm that seems likely
06:31<snogglethorpe>any other id3 tag frobbign stuff that doesn't use id3lib?
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06:32<themill>m6m_wrk: learn how debian works before trying something really difficult. #debian simply doesn't have the resources to support every newcomer to debian deciding to learn the hard way and run sid rather than the stable release.
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06:32<snogglethorpe>wow, that bug is from 2005!
06:32<snogglethorpe>is id3v2 orphaned?
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06:32<m6m_wrk>i understand, i have googled most of my issues so far. i will not come here to ask stupid questions anymore
06:33<m6m_wrk>but thank you for your help
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06:35<themill>m6m_wrk: it's not a stupid question -- it's a fairly fundamental question to the problems you will face routinely in sid. You probably want to follow the debian-devel mailing list where many of these things are announced prior to them actually happening.
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06:38<gsimmons>snogglethorpe: Try eyed3, it claims ID3 v2.4 support.
06:39<snogglethorpe>Oo at the name :)
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06:44<snogglethorpe>hmm eyed3 works (tho it's realllly slow)
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06:44<snogglethorpe>gsimmons: thanks!!
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06:55<joseph>themill; are you there??
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06:56<joseph>themill; i got successful...the task got it
06:56<themill>!congratulate joseph
06:56<dpkg>Woohoo joseph, you did it!
06:58<mhymn>!congratulate themill
06:58<dpkg>Nice one themill, you did it!
06:58<joseph>themill thanks
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06:59<themill>no worries... good luck with your custom cd
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07:01<joseph>themill; any idea how i can get my metapackage to be permanently in my live cd
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07:03<themill>judd: info cdd-common
07:03<judd>themill: cdd-common (misc): is optional; Version: 0.5.6; Size: 19.1k; Installed: 164k -- Custom Debian Distributions common package
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07:03<themill>judd: info blends-common --release squeeze
07:03<judd>themill: blends-common (misc): is optional; Version: 0.6.3; Size: 20.9k; Installed: 168k -- Debian Pure Blends common package
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07:04<themill>joseph: ^^ you should investigate the cdd/blends packages (they are the same thing, just renamed). They are designed for exactly what you are trying to do.
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07:09<joseph>themill; will i be able to see those in the debian.iso file that i dumped in my system
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07:10<joseph>themill; anyways i thank you for helping me to fix tasksel
07:10<themill>joseph: they are tools for making a custom debian iso. They are probably not on the first cd which is what you have downloaded.
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07:11<joseph>themill; now if i create a live cd now with these additional tasks...will i be able to get the same tasks during the insatllation with tasksel??
07:12<themill>You don't actually want to create a live cd, you want to create an installation cd.
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07:14<dr|z3d>Can he create a dual purpose cd, themill? Possible?
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07:14<themill>Not yet with the debian live tools, but I believe that's in the pipeline
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07:15<dr|z3d>Ah, OK. Good to hear it's on the cards.
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07:20<joseph>themill; ohh yes...but whats the pipeline you mentioned
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07:22<joseph>themill; so how do i include in the installer
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07:27<joseph>themill; there??
07:28<dr|z3d>joseph: In the pipeline = under consideration, not ready yet, might be sometime soon..
07:30<joseph>dr|z3d; okk as for my question can i get the same tasks in the installer that i make from my distro
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07:31<dr|z3d>joseph: I think themill already answered that question for you.
07:33<joseph>dr|z3d; he mentioned something about cdd/blends..... what is it??
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07:36<adb>joseph: you student in Hyderabad ?
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07:37<joseph>adb; see my pm
07:38<joseph>dr|z3d; any idea??
07:38<dr|z3d>joseph: Do some googling.
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07:40<joseph>dr|z3d; it took me 14 days to get my tasksel working....googling and asking here....if you have any info do help me
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07:41<joseph>dr|z3d; anyways i will google it out
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07:46<dr|z3d>joseph: Also:
07:47<joseph>dr|z3d; thanks i am checking those sites
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07:47<joseph>dr|z3d; besides i am building a GUI using glade... for the same purpose of installing tasks after the distro installation
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07:59<sylar>anyone know how to make gnome-volume-manager mount the usb-flash-drives with different permissions?
08:00<sylar>I want it to be owned by group plugdev and chmoded to 775
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08:04<themill>joseph: no need for you to write a glade front end -- there is already both a gtk and kde frontend in debian. aptitude install gnome-utils libgnome2-perl ; DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gnome tasksel
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08:08<pabs>anyone know how to get multimedia volume keys to bypass Xorg and go straight to pulseaudio (so I can mute/etc when the screen is locked)
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08:13<themill>zomg! the security implications of that, pabs!
08:13<pabs>zomg indeed!
08:14<themill>The only thing I can think of is that some keys produce acpi events. MM keys tend not to though.
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08:16<joseph>themill; i ran this in the console: aptitude install gnome-utils libgnome2-perl
08:16<joseph> now how do i get the GUI running
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08:17<themill>are you currently running X?
08:18<joseph>themill; ya
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08:18<adb>themill: i bed he is running ubu... , if i remember well
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08:19<themill>adb: yeah...
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08:19<joseph>adb; who me?? nope...i am a debian user
08:19<themill>you weren't a week ago
08:19<joseph>themill; yup
08:20<dr|z3d>What a difference a week can make!
08:20<themill>joseph: so to run tasksel in gui mode, just run the second half the command I gave you: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gnome tasksel
08:20<joseph>i am in a linux camp where we are building a distro based on ubuntu or any other distros
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08:22<adb>.. a distro based on debian < is not debian issue
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08:24<dr|z3d>adb: He's doing a customized spin. Totally relevant to Debian.
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08:25<adb>he's doing nothing ... just troll
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08:25<dr|z3d>Nah, don't mistake newbness for trolling. I think he just needs a bit more help than most :)
08:25<joseph>themill; thanks...that was awesome
08:26<pabs>joseph: whats the reason for building a new distro?
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08:27<dr|z3d>He's at a Linux Camp.. it's a project in collaboration, I think, no, joseph?
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08:31<themill>pabs: aiui, what he really wants is a debian pure blend that helps new users install subject-specific packages (e.g. electronics student would get all the electronics-related packages installed straight away)
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08:40<joseph>pabs; its already created for engineering students...just promoting linux...we are in the next version of the distro
08:41<joseph>dr|z3d; no collaboration...we are doing with the project leader of eswecha (distro)... for more info about this distro just google
08:41<joseph>themill; thanks as you said the GUI works...
08:42<joseph>themill; now how dio i get
08:42<joseph>themill; now how do i get this thing as an icon in an executable file...
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08:42<joseph>themill; so that i dont have to run it always in the console
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08:43<themill>joseph: make a .desktop file and place it on the user's desktop or in the menu system. Look at other .desktop files on your machine or ask google for the specification from
08:43<dr|z3d>joseph: See if you can find a .desktop file for the app.. if not, you may need to create one manually.
08:44<dr|z3d>And what themill said. ;)
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08:45<joseph>dr|z3d, themill; thanks
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08:46<joseph>themill; i am so thrilled about this project...i am looking around to help other guys with their projects
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08:49<igsen>Is it possible to install Debian thru wireless network?
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08:51<sylar> no
08:51<sylar>where is this setting changed from?
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08:53<dr|z3d>igsen: Sure it's possible. Network install should do fine, so long as your connection is stable.
08:55<Aleric>When I try to upgrade, upgrading 'yelp' causes the following to be removed: gnome-app-install gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-codec-install gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-system-monitor gnome-user-guide grdesktop gthumb gthumb-data scrollkeeper software-properties-gtk synaptic update-manager update-notifier
08:56<Aleric>That looks like a serious bug... (debian testing)
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08:59<igsen>dr|z3d, Thanks for that.
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09:03<Binary[DK]>Hi. Does anyone know how I can close a specific connection on a certain port? I'm running Debian 3.
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09:08<Binary[DK]>Or can it be done at all?
09:08<rudi_s>Binary[DK]: iptables/ipchains if you want to block connections, otherwise stop the program listening on the port.
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09:11<Binary[DK]>actually I don't want to block it. My problem is that I have a incoming ssh connection which will not close proberly? (sorry for my english). and i don't want
09:11<dr|z3d>Binary[DK]: ufw (gufw) or Firestarter will make things easier for you, probably.
09:11<Binary[DK]>and I don't want to close the sshd program either ;)
09:12<mihkel>Hi. I upgraded to sid today. One thing I noticed is that There is no "Shut down" entry in GNOME System menu. I created a new user to see, weather this is system wide problem
09:12<mihkel>It turns out, it is not
09:12<mihkel>where should I look for the solution?
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09:13<rudi_s>Binary[DK]: You could kill the sshd program for that connection (ps aux | grep ssh).
09:14<dr|z3d>He doesn't want to kill sshd. pay attention, rudi_s!
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09:15<rudi_s>dr|z3d: I know, but isn't there an own sshd program/fork/whatever for every connection? He could kill this one.
09:15<markrian>It seems, suddenly, that SDL apps and mplayer are unable to use ALSA properly, since they don't mix with other ALSA-using apps. Xine seems fine. Any ideas? I'm on pure lenny.
09:16<dr|z3d>mihkel: You might need to install some additional gnome stuff.. perhaps some panel apps..
09:16<dr|z3d>At the very least, you should be able to get shutdown on your panel without too much fuss.
09:16<Aleric>Why does flash still not work on 64bit?
09:16<vvas>Aleric: it doesn't?
09:16<Aleric>I installed iceweasel... no flash
09:16<dr|z3d>Aleric: It should do; if it doesn't, Adobe are the folk to ask :)
09:16<vvas>Aleric: well, did you install flash?
09:16<Aleric>I installed flashplayer-mozilla ... no flash
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09:17<dr|z3d>Aleric: try installing flashplugin-nonfree
09:17<vvas>Aleric: flashplugin-nonfree is probably the one you want
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09:17<Aleric>I installed flashplugin-nonfree ... iceweasl crashed
09:17<Binary[DK]>rudi_s: I think your right, but could you explain the command you just gave me? (ps aux | grep ssh)
09:17<Aleric>Can't open /dev/console, error 13 Permission denied
09:17<Aleric>Segmentation fault
09:17<dr|z3d>Aleric: Reboot and try again.
09:17<rudi_s>Binary[DK]: It will display all programs matching the name ssh. man ps and man grep for more information.
09:17<Aleric>dr|z3d: you're serious....
09:18<mihkel>dr|z3d, I can shut down by pressing Ctrl+Alt+delete (a dialog pops up). There problem is that there is no entry in gnome menu. I want to know how can I add it there
09:18<dr|z3d>Aleric: I am. Seg faults are often cured with a reboot.
09:18<vvas>Aleric: weird error message indeed
09:18<vvas>Aleric: i've never come across it
09:18<vvas>Aleric: (and i do have flash on 64-bit)
09:18<Binary[DK]>okay thanks... Now i at least have some to work with ;) thanks for your time
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09:19<Aleric>vvas: What is the result of: dpkg -l | grep flash
09:19<rudi_s>Binary[DK]: np, when you find the correct program you can stop it with kill <pid> (pid is the second column in the output of ps aux G grep ssh)
09:19<rudi_s>man kill for more information.
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09:19<markrian>Hmm, found the cause of my alsa troubles - #523845 is a ridiculous bug.
09:21<Binary[DK]>rudi_s: okay, i will try that.
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09:22<Aleric>vvas: Do you have flashplugin-nonfree installed?
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09:23<mihkel>whoops. It turn out Shut down entry needs gnome-power-manager. Solution was to enable gnome-power-manager in gnome session :)
09:24<vvas>Aleric: yes
09:24<vvas>Aleric: a sec, let me open a flash page
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09:25<vvas>Aleric: so yeah, i have flashplugin-nonfree installed and nothing else
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10:21<Aleric>dr|z3d: First I figured out which tab was crashing it (that was, then I rebooted - and you were right.
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10:27<dr|z3d>Aleric: Yeah, thought that might work. Seg faults in my book = reboot needed.
10:28<dr|z3d>Not always the case, but often, especially for apps that spontaneously stop working.
10:29<Aleric>Hardly spontenously, I had just installed a totally new application.
10:29<Aleric>And that crashed.
10:29<Aleric>However - I just before that I had done an apt-get update/upgrade which had reinstalled a lot of libraries.
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10:31<vvas>Aleric: yeah, often what happens in this case is that you get a weird mix of libraries in memory
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10:32<Aleric>There is something else that I'd like to get fixed now that I'm at it ;)
10:32<vvas>Aleric: i.e. one program (or a component of a program, like in the case of plugins) uses the old version of the library, the other uses the new one, they try to work together and all hell breaks loose
10:32<Aleric>Whenever I open a new terminal (or anything), it doesn't get focus :/
10:33<dr|z3d>Aleric: Check your window manager settings.
10:33<Aleric>I'd like it if open a new window it DOES get focus, while if something automatically pops up it doesn't.
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10:34<vvas>hm, you can definitely get that behaviour with KDE (which has reasonable focus-stealing-prevention support), but not sure about the rest
10:34<dr|z3d>Xfce is the same, and I suspect so is Gnome.
10:35<vvas>hm, true, gnome just alerts you in the latter case instead of giving focus
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10:36<Aleric>How can I start this window manager settings program, if any?
10:36<Aleric>I'm using gnome
10:36<dr|z3d>Under Settings on your gnome menu.. should be.. have a dig around..
10:37<CissWit>Well, if gnome does not provide this, i guess devilspie will. Look at the "focus" action.
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10:55<incal^>hello, how do a disable the cursor blink permamently - I tried setterm -cursor off but then the whole cursor is gone, so you don't know where you are, plus it is restored if you run nano for example
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10:56<Student>who was lenny? :P
10:56<dpkg>[lenny] the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.1>.
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10:57<Student>thanx themill
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11:04<sanchith>I am trying to boot from a usb but all I get is a blank screen with a blinking cursor. The usb was formatted for FAT32 in a mac and then I prepared the usb using the zcat command.
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11:05<Student>why don't you boot from a cd or floppy?
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11:07<avtobiff>Student, that is not a solution to the problem.
11:07<simNIX>sanchith, I made my usb flash drive a ext2 and I installed full debian on it - then installed grub on the main usb drive ...
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11:07<simNIX>... as long as then bios supports usb booting it works - )
11:07<simNIX>do recomend noatime option on mounting
11:08<sanchith>@student I'm afraid my computer lacks a CD drive.
11:08<simNIX>I use it as resque
11:08<simNIX>and portable linux to go with me at pcs of others
11:08<simNIX>16Gb for 30 euro
11:08<sanchith>@simNIX I have the bios setup to look to boot from usb first. Infact I have installed Debian before by this method.
11:09<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct replies to particular users in some web fora. It is NOT used to direct replies on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
11:09<simNIX>then why mess w fat32 ?
11:09<adb> in a mac ..
11:09<simNIX>o i read wrongly
11:09<simNIX>that was starting point
11:09<simNIX>my bad
11:09<simNIX>do you get grub menu if you boot of the dongle ?
11:10<vvas>sanchith: ... how did you prepare the usb stick again?
11:11<sanchith>My setup is a dual-boot (Debian and Ubuntu). The grub was in the debian installation. I aborted the debian reinstallation mid-way so I've lost the grub loader now.
11:11<dr|z3d>sanchith: Top tip. SuperGrub.
11:12<simNIX>handy to have - have it in my in pxeboot - )
11:12<sanchith>vvas, I formatted the usb in mac as a FAT32 partition. Then prepared as instructed in the debian installation manual. (using zcat) then copied a business card iso image to the usb
11:12<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>.
11:12<simNIX>maybe better luck with unetbootin ?
11:13<vvas>sanchith: hm, do you have a link to that? (the zcat thing)
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11:13<sanchith>drlz3d Can I use it on a Mac? unfortunately right now I don't have access to a windows or linux machine
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11:13<simNIX>yeah he could add grub but if he bailed out off install half way would there be a full Debian instal on usb yet ?
11:13<sanchith>vvas here it is
11:14<sanchith>simNIX I tried unetbootin too but no use :(
11:14<vvas>i see. strange that it didn't work.
11:15<sanchith>I strongly believe that its got something to do with the mbr on the usb stick
11:15<simNIX>I do spot at the end of that;
11:15<simNIX>If your system refuses to boot from the memory stick, the stick may contain an invalid master boot record (MBR). To fix this, use the install-mbr command from the package mbr:
11:15<simNIX>asume you used that ?
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11:15<vvas>sanchith: MBR?
11:16<simNIX>also I learned some bios have buggy usb support
11:16<simNIX>master boot record
11:16<vvas>sanchith: err, can you give the exact zcat command you used?
11:16<vvas>simNIX: i know what it means silly
11:16<adb>sanchith: 'Since most USB sticks come pre-configured with a single FAT16 partition, you probably won't have to repartition or reformat the stick.'
11:16<simNIX>I was already alomst stupmed - sorry
11:16<sanchith>simNIX: as I said I don't have access to a Linux machine to try that. I tried doing that on my mac but not sure if it worked.
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11:17<vvas>sanchith: (i have a suspicion what your problem might be)
11:17<simNIX>sanchith, maybe get Debian live
11:17<simNIX>boot of cd
11:17<simNIX>eand have a Linux handy ?
11:17<simNIX>also great for rescue
11:17<sanchith>vvas: I tried zcat <path to img.gz> > /dev/disk1s1 (this is the volume the usb is mapped to)
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11:17<vvas>sanchith: see, that's the problem
11:17<sanchith>simNIX: sorry I don't have a CD drive in my computer
11:18<simNIX>you said so earlyer
11:18<vvas>sanchith: this way, you only overwrite the *partition* with the image
11:18<simNIX>but thought maybe on other box
11:18<vvas>sanchith: but you're supposed to overwrite the entire *drive*
11:18<simNIX>also on windwos box you have maybe do a virtualbox in furture then any os handy but that dont help now
11:19<sanchith>vvas: drive on the usb?
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11:19<simNIX>good spot vvas
11:19<vvas>sanchith: so you would have to use something like "zcat some.img.gz > /dev/disk1" (but i don't know the OS X device naming conventions)
11:19<simNIX>not /dev/disk1s1 but maybe /dev/disk1
11:20<sanchith>simNIX: I think I get it. Boot the mac using a Debian live CD and then prepare the usb?
11:20<simNIX>maybe 1st try with this on the mac
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11:20<sanchith>vvas: I verified that the usb was mapped to the disk1s1. this is what disk utility application told me too.
11:21<simNIX>yup ut in you commands you send install-mbr to /dev/disk1s1 instead of /dev/disk1
11:21<vvas>sanchith: yes, but because you're only overwriting a partition on the usb stick, you're not touching the boot record, which lives on the MBR
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11:22<sanchith>vvas: I formatted the entire disk as a free space, then created a partition and then used the zcat command.
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11:23<ch>mh hi
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11:24<simNIX>sanchith, in it I read zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX (/dev/disk1)-> thats not /dev/sdx1 (/dev/disk1/s1)
11:25<sanchith>simNIX: My understanding is that it would be so (/dev/sdX) for Linux machines. Mac does things a little differently.
11:25<adb>sanchith: yuo formated as 32 FAT ?
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11:25<simNIX>yub but mac is based in freebsd
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11:25<simNIX>and in freebsd everithing after s is not full disk
11:26<sanchith>adb: That is the only format for FAT that Disk Utility will allow
11:26<simNIX>so best lookup what device on mac is the full flash drive
11:26<simNIX>and not the currently /dev/disk1s1 which is a portion (partiton) on that
11:27<sanchith>simNIX: I see. Lemme check that.
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11:28<adb>sanchith: no , you must create a FAT16 partition .. see Note in
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11:29<sanchith>adb: I did that too using the diskutil command in the terminal.
11:29<adb>you said 32FAT ...
11:29<sanchith>room, I have step out for a few minutes now. Thanks so much for all your help!
11:29<sanchith>I'll try all the suggestions. Hope something works.
11:29<simNIX>ny - yw
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11:53<Stathol_>I have an odd little networking problem. I've got a couple new servers that have Intel 82574L NICs
11:54<Stathol_>These use the e1000e driver, but the version that ships with Lenny doesn't yet support that NIC, so...
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11:54<Stathol_>I built e1000e.ko from the latest source on a virtual Debian install on another server and smuggled that into the installation to get the system installed.
11:55<Stathol_>But now that the system is up and running, it's not loading the e1000e module automatically, for some reason.
11:55<themill>Stathol_: did you rerun depmod after sticking this driver in?
11:55<Stathol_>I added it to /etc/modules, and that works. that really the correct way to go about this?
11:56<themill>btw it's not really a good way of doing this -- you might be better off with a newer kernel from instead (or making a custom kernel that includes the newer e1000e driver)
11:57<Stathol_>I didn't rerun depmod, but I guess I didn't think it was necessary since I was simply replacing the module used during install.
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11:58<Stathol_>I guess I'll give that try. The backports thing is probably a no go, since I'm going to need to replace this kernel with the xen kernel eventually anyway
11:58<themill>yeah, but running depmod updates the kernel's pci-id => module mapping.
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11:58<vvas>Stathol_: running depmod is, in fact, what you need
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11:58<themill>but the next kernel update is going to overwrite that e1000e.ko and then there will be no networking again.... it's not sustainable
11:59<vvas>Stathol_: amongst other things, it maintains a PCI ID database in /lib/modules, extracted from the modules, which tells the kernel which module to load for each device
11:59<themill>Stathol_: you probably need to make a custom kernel with the update e1000e (and xen) in it. /msg dpkg kernel compile
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12:00<vvas>themill: people running a server tend not to upgrade their kernels that often (since it requires rebooting); i certainly wouldn't
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12:00<Stathol_>Yeah...I was kind of hoping not to have to get into that package management nightmare.
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12:01<themill>vvas: "remotely exploitable blah blah in kernel" tends to get upgraded though. And then you suddenly have no networking on that machine.... very bad.
12:01<vvas>Stathol_: i guess you won't have to, because surely support for this particular device will be added to the in-tree e1000 driver at some point
12:01<Stathol_>Odds are, if a new kernel is released, it will probably ship with a suitable e1000e driver. I know this card is already supported in the latest stable Ubuntu and opensuse
12:01<vvas>Stathol_: ... if it's not already there in 2.6.30 (which Debian unstable already includes)
12:02<Stathol_>And in the mean-time, I'm really okay with the fact that a kernel update might blow away network support briefly. Believe me, in this particular application, it's not the end of the world.
12:02<themill>it already is included in 2.6.29 from and 2.6.28 from kmuto installer
12:02<vvas>so there :^)
12:02<vvas>i think we've got all bases covered here
12:02<Stathol_>I really wish there was a better way of dealing with kernel modules in the package management system.
12:03<Stathol_>(Not that this problem is unique to debian by any means)
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12:03<Stathol_>It just kind of defeats the whole point of kernel modules being ... you know...modular. :P
12:04<vvas>Stathol_: modules that are maintained out-of-tree do tend to be packaged separately
12:04<themill>Stathol_: things are improving in that regard -- things like dkms make it easier. The bigger problem is that out-of-tree kernel modules frequently don't compile in any random kernel you choose. For a laugh, try compiling the out-of-tree kernels from sid with the 2.6.30 kernel in sid.
12:04<vvas>Stathol_: newer, out-of-tree versions of modules that already exist in-tree are a bit of a corner case though, don't you think?
12:05<Stathol_>vvas: I suppose so. But I've also run into with (for instance) the kvm kernel module.
12:05<Stathol_>I was screwing around (on Ubuntu) with trying to get kvm hosts to live migrate.
12:05<themill>judd info kvm-source
12:05<judd>themill: kvm-source (misc): is optional; Version: 72+dfsg-5~lenny1; Size: 154.1k; Installed: 212k -- Source for the KVM driver
12:05<Stathol_>And the guests would kernel panic every time. Solution was to use a newer version of KVM
12:05<themill>Stathol_: ^^ that one *is* already covered ;)
12:06<Stathol_>But kvm.ko is packaged into the kernel, not the kvm package ><
12:06<Stathol_>I'm not really sure how Debian does it. I'm planning on going the Xen route here, if I can.
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12:07<Stathol_>At least...I think I am :P
12:07<Stathol_>Ugh. I hate trying to predict the future
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12:07<vvas>Stathol_: Debian provides the in-tree kernel modules with the kernel package, but also gives you the option to build the ones that are in-sync with the kvm package (using the kvm-source package mentioned above)
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12:09<Stathol_>So you can just dpkg-buildpackage over the kernel module?
12:09<arpho>hi to everybody
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12:10<Stathol_>You know, that might have worked in Ubuntu, too. I'm not really sure. I didn't know enough at the time to even think of trying that.
12:10<themill>Stathol_: no, you use module-assistant to make the a new kvm module package for your kernel and when you install that package, it moves the old kvm.ko module out of the way with the packaging system (dpkg-divert)
12:10<Dandre>where can I find MDB2_Schema for debian?
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12:10<themill>Stathol_: yes, if those packages are in ubuntu, that should also work, but you'd have to ask them for details (or tias!)
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12:11<Stathol_>Well, I'm content with sticking to debian on this one. I finally seem to have gotten pacemaker+openais working correctly on a distro, and I really don't want to have to figure out how to make it work on something else.
12:11<norbert_>hi all, I've created a video that shows the viewer how to install the most commonly used plug-ins for Iceweasel; not sure if anyone cares, but here's the link:
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12:12<norbert_>(I show how to install the non-free Flash, because the free still isn't usable enough IMHO)
12:12<norbert_>that was about it, so I'm off again :)
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12:20<hsch>hi - does any one know if it is possible to compile a kernel for eg Sarge machine on Lenny.
12:21<weasel>that's tricky iirc because kernel package introduces all sorts of silly dependencies
12:22<vvas>err, does it?
12:22<vvas>Depends: module-init-tools, initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | yaird (>= 0.0.13) | linux-initramfs-tool
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12:22<vvas>Pre-Depends: debconf | debconf-2.0
12:22<vvas>and nothing more
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12:23<vvas>hsch: i'd say give it a try, i've certainly done something similar before
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12:24<weasel>if it works for you, yay.
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12:25<themill>build it in a sarge chroot on the lenny system if you're worried. But spending any time on sarge machines other than to move them to etch at this stage seems a little like wasted effort
12:25*weasel moved services off his last sarge machine today
12:25<themill>!congratulate weasel
12:25<dpkg>Nice one weasel, you did it!
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12:26<hsch>thanks guys
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12:30<Namegduf>Hey, I'm having some trouble running Compiz with XFCE, in Squeeze. Running compiz --replace produces undecorated windows. I have neither GNOME nor KDE installed.
12:30<Namegduf>I tried installing compiz-gtk, and all its dependencies, and then gnome-themes after, but this didn't appear to change the situation.
12:31<dr|z3d>Namegduf: See if you can use Sapphire as your window manager in conjunction with compiz.
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12:32<Namegduf>Compiz is a window manager.
12:32<Namegduf>Does sapphire decorate separately? I'll take a look at it.
12:32<dr|z3d>Yeah, I meant window decorator.
12:32<vvas>Namegduf: strange, installing compiz-gtk should have solved this
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12:33<vvas>Namegduf: when you run compiz --replace from the command line, does it say anything about starting gtk-window-decorator?
12:33<Namegduf>But I have tried running that by hand with no results.
12:33<dr|z3d>Namegduf: There's also fusion-icon which you might want to look at, for easy toggling of compiz.
12:33<Namegduf>It spits out a GConf error, then does nothing.
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12:34<Namegduf>Simply appears to continue running, without decorating anything.
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12:37<vvas>hm, i really can't figure the /usr/bin/compiz script
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12:37<Namegduf>The specific error gtk-window-decorator spits out is "(gtk-window-decorator:2913): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_client_set_string: assertion `val != NULL' failed".
12:38<Namegduf>While it keeps running after, without decorating, I'm wondering if that has something to do with it. I know GConf is basically working, because I use gnome-terminal.
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12:42<Leo>hi all
12:43<Leo>can someone help me compiling a kernel WITHOUT initrd? I got a kernel panic but my ATA and FS module are built INSIDE my kernel
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12:44<Slurb>i wouldnt recommend compiling anything that can be a module into the kernel
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12:45<Leo>if you don't use initrd you MUST compile ata and fs module inside kernel
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12:45<Slurb>why dont you want initrd
12:46<Leo>cause i'm using embedded linux inside an sbc (single board computer) and i need fast booting
12:46<Slurb>i have never been able to get a kernel running on debian without initrd so im prolly not the guy to ask
12:47<Leo>I would like to be able to do this :)
12:47<Slurb>i always get a kernel panic no root hard disk error
12:47<hsch>Leo: what board are you using?
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12:47<Leo>something like this
12:48<Leo>I have Lspci output, lshw output and .config
12:49<Leo>it's a amd geode LX
12:49<Leo>with AMD CS5536 chipset
12:52<hsch>looks nice.
12:52<hsch>what do you want to use it for
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12:54<Leo>I'm developing a java software to monitor temperature/humidity etc for a paper factory
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12:54<Leo>so the boot should be as fast as possible
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12:55<bja>Leo: there are special techniques involved in the development of embedded aplications that can help you a lot
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12:55<Leo>The app is ready i'm focusing on optimizing the linux system...anyway what are you talking about?
12:56<simNIX>I dont think the having intrd fs is the delay more the things it does after thats mountes and that can be trimmed maybe ..
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12:58<Leo>I know but If you start cutting half second here, a quarter of second there....
12:58<simNIX>maybe openwrt is more slim towards what you need ...
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12:59<bja>Leo: on embeded aplications usually there are two constraints, time and space, aplications tend to be very small, and os tend to be very fast because they are stripped of everything non essential
12:59<bja>Leo: Java is not the culprit of speed
12:59<kolby>has anyone here used : "apt-build world" before?
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13:00<Leo>bja: i'm not focusing on java...I'm a developer and THEY said that the app should be in java...and we coded
13:00<simNIX>if you dont intird fs at boot then whatever it normaly does for most part still has to be done ...does also has to be done only now without inird fs (amongst other things) drivers) - wich IMHO coplicates
13:01<simNIX>but that my 2 cents fitting for how I do it
13:01<Leo>simNIX: maybe you're right
13:01<Leo>bja: for the moment I have some services that won't be in the final release of the "firmware", like SSH, ftp etc etc..
13:02<Leo>bja: and maybe when i'll have a fast stable (monolithic) kernel i could try to use a smaller and faster distro
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13:03<simNIX>on embedded hardware its mostly kernel - so I think any distrubition will give same speed ..
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13:03<simNIX>but trimming kernel and havind litle bit more ram as result wil help
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13:04<simNIX>how much spcae do you have to work in ?
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13:05<Leo>2gb compact flash
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13:06<simNIX>I sometimes have to getby w 4 or 8 - )
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13:07<bja>Leo: then it is easy, you are not distro dependent, as you will only put the things you need on the machine, as you see fit, Debian is easier to strip down 8)
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13:08<simNIX>with 2Gb to play I would also go for base minimal install Debian
13:08<simNIX>maybe later once like you want it make it a ebianLive
13:08<simNIX>but stricktly speaken not needed
13:08<bja>Leo: A way to start would be optimizing X leaving a de that boots as fast as posible, maybe you can spare 8 to 10 secs there
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13:08<un|matrix>is it possible to define a custom modifier key in linux?
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13:09<simNIX>hmm - too litle info for me ...
13:09<simNIX>so many keys and things you can modify ..
13:10<un|matrix>ok, i wanna define a completely new modifier key, and it has to be a mouse button
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13:10<Leo>simNIX: there IS a debootstrap-based distro :)
13:10<Leo>bja: I think that X is booting very fast for the moment (without optimize it (also because i don't know how to))
13:11<simNIX>I debootstrapped my jails and a usb flash drive - you are correct that is even more minimal and even more fitting maybe for embedded - )
13:11<un|matrix>modifiers are keys like Alt, L/R Ctrl, AltGr, Windoze key, etc
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13:12<Leo>simNIX: yes it's minimal but I went out of space because compiling kernel on that sbc (500mhz....) occupieda more than 900mb -.-
13:12<simNIX>isnt cross compiling on fast box not an option ?
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13:13<Leo>yes, today I used my laptop and put the image with ssh
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13:13<Leo>so maybe the trick is : use intird, use MINIMAL kernel, optimize scripts and X
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13:14<simNIX>is x needed ?
13:14<simNIX>ifso maybe try lxde
13:15<simNIX>its very light wm
13:15<Leo>I don't use a de
13:15<Leo>i just use plain x
13:15<Leo>which start a full-screen java app
13:15<simNIX>or maybe you can get away with loading program you need to have runnnig on it load from .xiintrc
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13:15<un|matrix>cool, yet another thing linux can't do... i'm making a list of them to add on my blog
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13:16<Leo>un|matrix: give me the url :)
13:16<simNIX>also note down; how to ask smart questions and wait for answers ;)
13:16<Leo>simNIX: I have to go now, I hope to catch you again tomorrow
13:16<Leo>because I need assistance :D
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13:17<simNIX>im in mostly - but not always at screen - have a good day
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13:17<simNIX>best esk in room - many more knw lots more then I do - )
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13:17<Leo>I will always ask in room :)
13:17<valdyn>un|matrix: your blog is not funny
13:18<Leo>nice day (evening?) to you too..
13:18<valdyn>un|matrix: your incompetence is a little though
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13:18<simNIX>eavenig here
13:18<un|matrix>valdyn: not mine to be perfectly honest
13:18<Leo>here too
13:18<valdyn>un|matrix: i see
13:18<un|matrix>most of the things up there are a bunch of rubbish
13:18<un|matrix>but it's one of the rare blogs that dare to criticize linux
13:18<simNIX>there are many more
13:18<valdyn>un|matrix: theres alot of those
13:19<valdyn>un|matrix: thousands
13:19<un|matrix>guess nobody reads them
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13:19<valdyn>un|matrix: nothing fun about reading hater blogs
13:19<simNIX>critice is something else then asking something rsaly unclear and then not waiting and then concluding something on a sound os
13:19<simNIX>but hey
13:19<simNIX>if that someones fancy
13:19<simNIX>no ones says yuo have to use Linux
13:19<simNIX>some do think you have to use some other unnmaned os
13:19<un|matrix>valdyn: well that's the point... they should be read in order to fix stuff that are pointed out, not for fun
13:20<valdyn>un|matrix: are you trying to troll me?
13:20<valdyn>un|matrix: do you think the canonical people are not trying to fix things?
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13:20<un|matrix>valdyn: they are very bad at prioritizing
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13:20<craigevil>most of the crap in those type of blogs is unsubstantiated fud
13:21<valdyn>un|matrix: maybe you should give marc shuttlworth a management seminar then
13:21<un|matrix>valdyn: they're making stuff like pointless new themes and dropbox clones... stuff noone really needs
13:21<simNIX>just pay someone to tacle something you need done and share it - no wories then .:)
13:21<cahoot>un|matrix: /. your main source of info?
13:22<valdyn>un|matrix: its a free market
13:22<un|matrix>cahoot: i dont really like slashdot
13:22<un|matrix>cahoot: is digg better or worse? XD
13:23<valdyn>dig is by semi literate people for semi literate people ;)
13:23<un|matrix>it's true
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13:28<westporch>I have some question. ATI Radeon Xpress 200m(RC410) do not support compiz?
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13:41<sylar>where is ?
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13:53<srinix>i m here to know sum info about "debbugs" , can anyone pleaZ?
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13:56<bremner>!tell srinix -about ask
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13:57<srinix>how a developers team can use debbugs?
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13:59<bremner>srinix: see e.g.
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14:00<bremner>or explain what you mean?
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14:01<srinix>basically, devlpers use BTS, to keep track of the bugs na, do they have the previliges to change or update the info of bugs in database?
14:01<brian>hey im pretty new to the linux deal but im trying to install opensuse on my netbook but there is no cd dvd drive how can i install it
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14:02<bremner>srinix: anyone can change bugs in debian BTS
14:02<srinix>i have one more q?, that
14:02<bremner>srinix: do you mean the BTS software, or the installation used by Debian?
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14:03<Torsten_W>brian, here is #debian, not #opensuse
14:03<srinix>after installing the packg "debbugs" , we have to configure in /etc/debbugs , I m not getting how to configure them? can u help me??
14:03<bremner>srinix: not me. You read the documentation?
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14:04<srinix>in the documentation, they dint metiond about the configurations,
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14:05<srinix>metiond * mentioned
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14:05<bremner>srinix: I think you should wait a while for an answer, it is a pretty specialized question; people might come back later who are expert
14:06<srinix>k, i ll wait..
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14:07<srinix>bremner: i m doing B.Tech III CSE India, May i know about urself?
14:08<bremner>srinix: I'm a computer science prof in Canada.
14:08<srinix>k f9
14:08<kapil>srinix: english please! :-)
14:09<srinix>kapil: i dint get u?
14:09<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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14:10<kapil>"dint" and "u" are not english. if you don't take the time to type out a question correctly, others may also not find the time to answer it.
14:11<bremner>kapil: english should be capitalied :)
14:11<srinix>kapil: hey! its chatting language na, we can use such words here.......
14:12<bremner>we are very serious in this channel, and use whole words. You will get used to it.
14:12<kapil>i suppose one is allowed to be a little lax in irc. at least e.e.cummings would have been happy! :-)
14:12<srinix>bremner: ok , i will follow the rules
14:13<kapil>srinix: actually na, the use of "na" in indian english is actually fine!
14:13<bja>srinix: Not every one in here is a native English speaker if you make shortcuts, people get confused
14:13<srinix>kapil: ok, thank you for your suggestion
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14:16<kapil>meanwhile, what was your question about "debbugs"? it is a bug tracking system that is structured like a mailing list.
14:16<kapil>rather like a collection of mailing lists.
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14:18<srinix>kapil: it is actually an application software, that stores the history and evolution of bugs reported, and helps the developers to keep track of bugs
14:18<srinix>fathom: hi
14:19<fathom>hey i am having problems with my sis drivers or lack of
14:19<kapil>that's right but the underlying structure is similar to a collection of mailing lists.
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14:19<srinix>kapil: yes, you are right
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14:20<kapil>so if you have configured something like mailman then you are halfway to configuring debbugs.
14:21<srinix>bremner: let me know, if the persons u told about are joined in this channel.
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14:21<craigevil>fathom: sis video? via video? try using xserver-xorg-video-openchrome or xserver-xorg-video-via
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14:22<srinix>kapil: i dont know about mailman
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14:24<bremner>srinix: it could take some hours to get a response to your question about debbugs
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14:25<srinix>bremner: ok!, if you know any other option for my problem, let me know.
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14:26<Black_Phantom>Hello, does anyone know how to install ATI Radeon 9250 ?
14:27<westporch>I use ATI Radeon 200.....
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14:27<Black_Phantom>Because the glxgears results is awful.
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14:28<benoit>Sa va ?
14:28<benoit>Y'a des gens francais ?
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14:29<westporch>Black_Phantom/ you will use compiz?
14:29<Black_Phantom>westporch yeah
14:29<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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14:30<westporch>black_phantom/ I also install compiz, but ATI graphics card scatter error msg on linux
14:30<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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14:32<Black_Phantom>westporch what is your FPS in glxgears ?
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14:32<srinix>kapil: can you explain me about mailman and its configuration?
14:33<Kimosaki>Do you speak english ?
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14:38<westporch>Black_Phantom / what is the ‘fps in glxgear’?... I type ‘compiz’,
14:38<westporch>error msg.
14:38<westporch>Checking for Xgl: not present.
14:38<westporch>Detected PCI for VGA: 01:05.0 0300: 1002:5a61(prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
14:38<westporch>Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
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14:43<shlengberg>hi, homies
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15:00<weasel>srinix: /quit
15:00<srinix>weasel: thank you
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15:00<weasel>wow. he even said thanks *before* trying it
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15:01<Stathol>For style points, he should have done "/quit Thank You" :P
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15:02<Stathol>You know, that reminds me -- I never have quite figured out how to say something that starts with a / in irssi >_>
15:02<weasel>/ /foo
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15:02<weasel>(yes, that was me typing / / /foo)
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15:03<Stathol>I knew /say didn't work, a la mirc and others.
15:03<Stathol>And at one point I figured out a cumbersome way to do it with /quote or /raw
15:03<weasel>/ hmm. does too
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15:04<Stathol>/ /whatever is much more convenient, though.
15:04<CissWit>Stathol: /alias say msg *
15:04<CissWit>it will allow you to use /say a la mirc and others
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15:13<mihkel>Is there any particular reason for reportbug to depend on python-reportbug?
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15:15<locklace>mihkel: afaict, reportbug is a python thing and python-reportbug has the modules it defines/uses
15:16<mihkel>I see. ok
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15:22<markrian>How can I check whether popularity-contest is successfully sending reports to the server?
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15:24<cahoot>markrian: at least it keeps a log
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15:38<joseph>themill; there was some server i couldn't talk further
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15:39<joseph>themill; i thought i had to write a GTK program for getting the GUI...but then with a matter of just installing two packages i got what i wanted..
15:39<joseph>themill; thanks
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15:39<ml|>how is kde in testing?
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15:39<shlengberg>kde is good
15:40<shlengberg>but its philosophy is flawed
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15:40<markrian>How can I check whether popularity-contest is successfully sending reports to the server? The logs don't seem to indicate success or failure of sent info...
15:40<ml|>shlengberg: why do you say that?
15:40<shlengberg>i'm not allowed to discuss that in this room
15:41<shlengberg>try offtopic
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15:42<edbian>When I try to start firefox I get "segmentation fault"
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15:43<bajaj_>need some help
15:43<craigevil>edbian: what does it say if you try to start it from a terminal
15:44<edbian>that is trying to start it from a terminal
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15:44<edbian>Starting it via GUI simply doesn't work
15:44<bajaj_>im not able to boot my lenny
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15:44<craigevil>edbian: if you do not already have it installed try installing iceweasel-dbg then start it from a terminal
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15:45<ml|>dpkg: tell shlengberg about xmonad
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15:46<edbian>craigevil: is that the pacakge name?
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15:50<edbian>How do I use the iceweasel-dbg package?
15:51<bajaj_>anyone who can help me?
15:51<locklace>!tell bajaj_ about how to ask
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15:52<edbian>bajaj_: OOOO I thought you wanted to help me!!! What is your question?
15:52<craigevil>bajaj_: please do not private msg me, i run sid i know crap about lenny
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15:53<craigevil>edbian: it should give you more verbos info in a terminal about why iceweasel isnt working for me
15:54<bajaj_>im using lenny got the dvd from lfy and i installed it fine
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15:54<bajaj_>actually i never got around to use it because it never booted
15:54<craigevil>opps for you :)
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15:57<bajaj_>any1 lsitening?
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16:00<bajaj_>boot problem in lenny anyone interested in helping
16:00<shlengberg>what problem
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16:01<bajaj_>as i menstioned i instlled debian from a dvd
16:01<bajaj_>when i booted it for the first time there was some loop with inc numbers
16:02<bajaj_>it fails at kernal initialization
16:03<bajaj_>i am having a core 2 duo cpu
16:03<bajaj_>and a xfx gts250 graphics card in my pcie slot
16:03<bajaj_>any other info reqd
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16:09<valdyn>bajaj_: only the actual error message or a precise description of where it stops
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16:10<bajaj_>i can access my drive in windows where i am working now can u tell me where to loop for boot time errors
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16:11<bajaj_>valdyn:i can access my drive in windows where i am working now can u tell me where to loop for boot time errors
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16:11<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
16:12<bajaj_>valdyn: i can access my drive in windows where i am working now can you tell me where to loop for boot time errors
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16:14<locklace>!congratulate bajaj_
16:14<dpkg>Good show bajaj_, you did it!
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16:14<bajaj_>locklace : now will u help me
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16:14<locklace>oops! fail
16:15<bajaj_>locklace : now will you help me
16:15<bajaj_>old habits
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16:16<locklace>bajaj_: try the boot again and this time write down the exact error message and any context around it that might be relevant
16:16<locklace>the "loop with inc numbers" sounds like a kernel panic. the panic output will have all the details of where the fault occurred
16:17<bajaj_>its not a single error msg its kind of loop with increasing numbers and same msg repeated again
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16:17<bajaj_>is it stored somewhere?
16:17<locklace>so just write down all the output from a single loop iteration
16:18<locklace>alternatively, as another way to proceed, try booting a backport installer image. it will have a significantly newer kernel
16:18<locklace>!tell bajaj_ about kmuto
16:18<bajaj_>i think its has to do something with my pci express graphics card
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16:19<locklace>trying the backport installer is probably the easiest and best thing to do first.
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16:20<bajaj_>ya i will do that
16:20<locklace>ok. let us know how it goes
16:21<bajaj_>will come back tom then
16:21<bajaj_>its night in india
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16:22<bajaj_>good night
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16:27<bja>b39inn3r: /j #debian-es
16:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:31<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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16:32<bja>de rien
16:32<b39inn3r>hola soy canario este canal es americano
16:32<b39inn3r>solo por quitarme la duda
16:32<bja>b39inn3r: sip
16:33<bja>b39inn3r: #debian-es es en español
16:33<matt357>i search a solution fort a line 6 tone port UX1 it's a usbcard for guitare
16:33<b39inn3r>y sabes hablar español
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17:02<coler>is there a key combo that will allow me to disable compriz, and/or restore my visual effects back to normal. Can't see any video after logging on. Tried nermorous boots
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17:03<dr|z3d>coler: aptitude install fusion-icon
17:03<dr|z3d>That will allow easy toggling of Compiz.
17:03<coler>i cant get on in the firwst place
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17:04<coler>it will be normal color that patches of black will take up the screen in a matter of seconds
17:04<dr|z3d>You could just uninstall compiz for now.
17:04<dr|z3d>Sounds like you have driver issues.
17:05<coler>its that "motion blur"
17:05<dr|z3d>It's failing, that much is obvious.
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17:06<asaleem>Is there any journal package for debian?
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17:07<coler>I guess ill reinstall
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17:07<azeem>asaleem: what kind of journal?
17:08<asaleem>azeem, something that is used for recording daily activities
17:08<asaleem>azeem, like a diary
17:08<azeem>online journal?
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17:09<asaleem>azeem, a debian package
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17:10<craigevil>rednotebook , almanah, there are few other try apt-cache search diary then journal
17:10<asaleem>craigevil, thanks for the idea
17:10<azeem>asaleem: well, there's drivel, a blogging client
17:10<azeem>but I think you need an online blog for it to be useful
17:10<azeem>then there is several online blogging software engine
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17:11<azeem>and then there's a load of smaller journal-taking apps like xournal
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17:11<asaleem>azeem, something like xournal
17:12<azeem>then try xournal
17:12<asaleem>azeem, thanks
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17:49<wayne_>hi, just wondering if anyone else is having trouble getting to ?
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17:58<evon>i need some help recovering a linux partition. can anyone help?
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17:59<locklace>!tell evon about ask
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18:03<jeremiah2>For certain things, google is useless.
18:03<jeremiah2>This is one of those things.
18:03<jeremiah2>dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${perl:Depends}
18:03<jeremiah2>^^ how does one surpress that?
18:04<wayne_>locklace: thanks, funny and useful :) now I just need
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18:07<Stathol>I wonder how I go about building a network driver for a xen dom0
18:08<Stathol>There's not a linux-source-<foo> package specifically for xen, though there are linux-header- packages for it.
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18:15<SouthernC>can someone tell me how to delete mail messages using mail it says use d to delete them but it doesnt seem to work
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18:17<locklace>how are you determining that it doesn't work
18:17<SouthernC>like i type mail it shows a bunch of mail N 3 Thu Jun 25 00:56 55/2138 sdvSdfgvsdfawefa
18:18<SouthernC>i type d 3 and it doesnt get deleted
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18:19<SouthernC>it says use d [message list] but ive tried every combination of this and nothing is working
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18:19<locklace>it won't really get deleted until you quit (q)
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18:19<SouthernC>yea but even after i quit and hit mail again it is still there
18:20<petemc>did you press % ?
18:20<petemc>if so, press it again to toggle changes to mailbox being written
18:20<petemc>and $ will purge deleted messages
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18:20<petemc>oh, mail, not mutt
18:20<petemc>ignore me
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18:21<SouthernC>Mail version 8.1.2 01/15/2001. Type ? for help.
18:21<SouthernC>"/var/mail/southernc": 9 messages 9 new
18:22<SouthernC>it supposed to be " & d 1 " that should delete message 1 ?
18:22<locklace>can you paste a transcript of your session to, and include before and after output of "id" and "ls -l $MAIL"
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18:30<SouthernC>locklace: could it have something to do with
18:30<SouthernC>mail: Cannot create lockfile /var/mail/southernc.lock: Error creating temporary lockfile
18:30<markrian>Michael Jackson's dead! :O
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18:31<markrian>Wrong channel...
18:31<locklace>SouthernC: looks like it
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18:32<SouthernC>what does that mean ?
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18:34<torn_>does anybody of you use bash-completion?
18:34<dr|z3d>We all do. In our sleep.
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18:34<bja>torn_: used to now i use zsh
18:34<locklace>SouthernC: kind of looks like a bug. mail wants to create a lock file in /var/mail, but standard permissions on /var/mail don't allow users to create new files there
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18:35<locklace>SouthernC: as a test can you do as root "mail -u southernc" and see if deleting a message and quitting that way works fine
18:36<torn_>I'd find useful to see the output of 'set -o | grep posix' from a shell where bash-completion is loaded by the default .bashrc
18:36<simNIX>is there a way to dump output whilst in installer ? - I get an error cant connect to mysql server and error uncountered creating user and note stating ucf was run from a maintainer script ... please inform maintainer ..
18:37<simNIX>this is on a Debian
18:37<simNIX>that im freshly installing on a clean 20Gb vmware drive
18:38<dondelelcaro>simNIX: drop to a shell, chroot to the target, and run the command to install whatever it is
18:38<dondelelcaro>simNIX: though generally, I'd suggest not installing whatever it was, completing the install, and then comming back and fixing it
18:39<simNIX>mysql-server is it
18:39<simNIX>let me check excact name
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18:40<simNIX>mysql-server mysql-client
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18:40<simNIX>those shouldnt bork right ?
18:40<SouthernC>locklace: yea that worked ... so apparently i have to change permissions on /var/mail\
18:41<locklace>SouthernC: as a workaround, you can do this as root: "chmod 3777 /var/mail". then things should work for your normal user
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18:41<simNIX>ill first remove install anything aditional exept mysql to pinpoint if its that or another package braking
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18:42<locklace>SouthernC: you should also search the bts and "reportbug" if one doesn't already exist
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18:44<SouthernC>yea that works ok, that was driving me nuts thought i wasnt typing the command right or something
18:45<SouthernC>locllace: thanks alot
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18:47<Armageddon>does debian support local teams ? does it have channels for local teams ?
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18:50<adb>what's local teams ?
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18:51<Armageddon>for example a local team in Germany, they do a little team for Debian, and start working for the community locally by helping people install debian and wtvr stuff they can offer to the overall community
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18:51<Armageddon>and they open a #debian-ge to help german people in their native language
18:51<Chrono>hello guys
18:51<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
18:53<Chrono>guys, ill try to compile the new kernel. there is a kernel panic that every time occurs, its about grub and boot. I always forget how to fix it, and this time ill try dont let it occur. what need i do?
18:53<Armageddon>yea yea i understand, im just asking in general, im not even german
18:54<valdyn>Armageddon: thats not useful as a "general" question
18:54<simNIX>Here In Holland the are lugs
18:54<simNIX>but I dont know of a Debian specifc one
18:54<valdyn>Armageddon: debian is not centrally managed that way, if someone made a local group its their business
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18:55<Armageddon>valdyn, check Ubuntu ! they have locos, thats what im asking ! maybe if they do we can start one in here that's it !
18:55<valdyn>Armageddon: ubuntu is centrally managed
18:55<valdyn>Armageddon: debian is not
18:55<Armageddon>centrally managed as in ?
18:55<Armageddon>and again sorry bothering you guys !
18:55<simNIX>debian is for the people and by the people :)
18:55<locklace>!tell Chrono about errors
18:55<adama_>Ubuntu is made by a company.
18:55<simNIX>what Ubuntu does canonical desites
18:55<valdyn>Armageddon: as in backed by an entity doing stuff, organising stuff
18:56<valdyn>Armageddon: debian has no real manager that gets paid
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18:56<Armageddon>Ubuntu does ? :/
18:56<valdyn>Armageddon: sure
18:56<Armageddon>didnt know that O_o
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18:56<valdyn>Armageddon: theres this widespread myth that free software gets done by unpaid people, thats not true
18:57<Armageddon>yea well im currently using Ubuntu, but soon enough i will install Debian instead, i bought the DVDs and had them shipped here as a support :D
18:57<Chrono>locklace is a kernel panic about grub configuration and the new kernel copiled
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18:57<Chrono>i think its about init.
18:58<simNIX>"Canonical, the commercial sponsor of Ubuntu, congratulates the Ubuntu team for the successful release of Ubuntu 9.04"
18:58<locklace>Chrono: doesn't make any sense; the kernel doesn't know anything about grub. no one can help you unless you give the actual panic message
18:58<valdyn>Armageddon: these channels are also not really "managed" by debian
18:58<valdyn>Armageddon: and is not even a support channel normally
18:58<Armageddon>so we can open a local team and its ok with it !
18:58<Armageddon>cool O_o
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18:58<simNIX>even incuriged
18:58<valdyn>Armageddon: you can do whatever you want
18:59<Armageddon>ok im loving Debian
18:59<simNIX>thats freedom
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18:59<locklace>!love Armageddon
18:59<simNIX>only restiction is
18:59*dpkg makes love to Armageddon, caressing Armageddon's hair, whispering sweet nothings in Armageddon's ear...
18:59<simNIX>that you dont restict what yuo get
18:59<simNIX>for the rest - any help to promote is apreciated
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19:00<simNIX>see; yuo sugested organizing a lug and look at the love yuo got ;0)
19:00<Armageddon>yea well i started hating linux casuse of Ubuntu its too user Dumbly (as i call it) too restrictive so i thought i know just enough to transfer to debian and start learning everything :D
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19:00<simNIX>I hate it becouse its linked to a comercial entity
19:00<simNIX>for the rest it does ok things
19:00<Armageddon>yea well if its still open source i encourage it
19:01<simNIX>same for rh
19:01<SouthernC>isnt debian derived from ubuntu ?
19:01<valdyn>SouthernC: no, ubuntu is derived from debian
19:01<Armageddon>no the other way around
19:01<simNIX>that isult :)
19:01<Armageddon>huge insult
19:01<SouthernC>ahh thought i read something like that
19:01*weasel gives SouthernC one troll point
19:01<Armageddon>Debian is one of the oldest linux distros
19:01<weasel>with 10 you can apply for a golden washing machine
19:01<valdyn>SouthernC: debian is by and for technical people, ubuntu is by a company for joe sixpack
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19:01<valdyn>SouthernC: natuarlly im exaggerating this a bit
19:02<Armageddon>valdyn, sixpack ? :P
19:02<simNIX>john regualr
19:02<weasel>Armageddon: joe sixpack is the "average customer"
19:02<Armageddon>O_o english is not my mothers tongue guys sorry !
19:02<simNIX>bluntly put; the noob
19:03<SouthernC>yea it does seem way to wannabe windows like
19:03<Armageddon>SouthernC, actually no :/ cause its better then windows ! at least its linux !
19:03<Armageddon>AND debian based
19:03<SouthernC>no i mean everything is like pre done like holding your hand etc
19:03<Armageddon>what can you get better ?
19:04<simNIX>better the Linux ?
19:04<valdyn>SouthernC: thats its point
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19:04<Armageddon>SouthernC, if you want users to join linux community what do you do ? you give them slackware ?
19:04<locklace>!start a distro war
19:04<dpkg>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
19:04<Armageddon>the average user is dumb dude, he needs cool stuff to attract him
19:04<simNIX>that another extreme
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19:04<Armageddon>Ubuntu is the attraction
19:04<SouthernC>yea i suppose
19:05<Armageddon>then when he knows that linux is he will 110% change to something like Debian or Gentoo or Arch Linux ! or wtvr !
19:05<valdyn>uh, i'd doubt that
19:05<adb>alphad: hi
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19:05<simNIX>Ubuntu IMHO tend to go simply put for the flashy lights (latest with unknow bugs) and Debian more focused on stability
19:05*Chrono cry about friends he lost on Distro War
19:05<simNIX>dont get me wrong those flashy lights get a lot of net users to Linux
19:05<Armageddon>valdyn, doubt what ?
19:06<valdyn>Armageddon: i doubt that joe sixpack will use debian once he used ubuntu
19:06<SouthernC>but flashy lights can cause seizures...
19:06<simNIX>and it also seems that with windwos people put up with more then I ever get for flashy lights
19:06<avu>why would you want to 'convert' random people to using linux in the first place? don't behave like christians or muslims, do it like the jews. only let people join that ask and work for it. :-)
19:06<Armageddon>SouthernC, are you epileptic ?
19:06<SouthernC>no lol
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19:07<alphad>hi adb
19:07<Armageddon>avu, O_o im atheist, and smart enough to make my own decisions ! dont put religion into this
19:07<valdyn>Armageddon: ubuntu is for joe sixpack, debian is for "technical" users. Not everyone wants to or needs to learn unix internal or debian
19:07<SouthernC>yea i was gonna say
19:07<Armageddon>valdyn, oh yes they do
19:07<avu>Armageddon, well, when you talk about converting people to linux users, it sounds very religious to me
19:07<Armageddon>once they are in love with linux they will
19:07<simNIX>Armageddon, it with diferent tastes of Linux sometimes look like religios wars while they ale love the same Linux ...
19:07<locklace>!start an os holy war
19:07<dpkg>unix sucks!
19:08<Armageddon>avu, if you wanna call linux as a religion then im an extremist :P
19:08<simNIX>it can suck me any day ...
19:08<SouthernC>^^^ terrorist
19:08<Armageddon>SouthernC, and an arab ;)
19:08<avu>Armageddon, which I think is just as stupid as being an extremist of any other religion.
19:08<avu>the zen lies in realizing that /every/ OS sucks.
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19:08<dpkg>Sing it, sister!
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19:09<Armageddon>avu, hell no, there is no bad sides of loving linux ! at least we are not gonna fight with Ubuntu users, we help them :D
19:09<Armageddon>besides what works here works on all linux (in general)
19:09<simNIX>only les bugs :)
19:09<avu>Armageddon, of course there is. and right now you're even demonstrating that.
19:09<Armageddon>simNIX, true true !
19:09<liquidxd>i have a problem with adobe-flashplugin i can't uninstall it i download it from adobe page
19:09<Armageddon>simNIX, i agree to that
19:10<valdyn>liquidxd: where did you put the plugin?
19:10<liquidxd>and now i can't upgrade my system
19:10<valdyn>liquidxd: why cant you upgrade the system?
19:10<valdyn>liquidxd: why would adobe break system upgrades?
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19:10<Armageddon>ill join the offtopic channel so we can talk ! its not cool, people need help in here
19:10<simNIX>liquidxd, did you try through backports add flash-plugin-nonfree or is that not what yuo are after ?
19:10<liquidxd>i send you link on paste bin
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19:11<simNIX>nooe need for link realy - if its debian its best installed through repository ..
19:11<valdyn>simNIX: i want to see his errors
19:11<simNIX>ok - sorry
19:11<simNIX>was thinking url
19:11<simNIX>to grab .tar.gz
19:12<Armageddon>simNIX, wanna join the offtopic and continue the chat ?
19:12<valdyn>liquidxd: paste the error, not the link to adobe
19:12<craigevil>liquidxd: the adobe-flashplugin from is built for ubuntu
19:12<valdyn>oh, I didnt know that adobe now releases debs
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19:13<liquidxd>i have testing repos
19:13<valdyn>liquidxd: aptitude purge adobe-flashplugin
19:13<craigevil>valdyn: they do for ubuntu
19:13<liquidxd>not works
19:13<valdyn>liquidxd: dpkg --remove --force-all adobe-flashplugin
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19:13<valdyn>liquidxd: dpkg --purge --force-all adobe-flashplugin
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19:14<valdyn>and dont do this at home ^^^
19:14<liquidxd>thanks man
19:15<liquidxd>that works
19:15<valdyn>liquidxd: ok
19:15<valdyn>liquidxd: if you need flash, debian has it
19:15<valdyn>liquidxd: at dmm
19:15<dpkg>somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
19:15<themill>for testing, it's also in non-free
19:15<valdyn>liquidxd: called mozilla-flashplayer or somesuch
19:15<valdyn>themill: in testing? not just in sid?
19:15<themill>judd versipons flashplugin-nonfree
19:15<judd>themill: Error: "versipons" is not a valid command.
19:16<craigevil>flashplugin-nonfree is also in backports for stable
19:16<themill>judd versions flashplugin-nonfree
19:16<judd>themill: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.6 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.6
19:16<themill>liquidxd: by the looks of that output, you need to "aptitude full-upgrade" not safe-upgrade btw.
19:16<valdyn>hmm, weird
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19:16<valdyn>liquidxd: and watch that full-upgrade carefully
19:16<valdyn>liquidxd: its testing, you *will* need full-upgrades now and then
19:16<craigevil>flashplugin-nonfree and flashplayer-mozilla both instal adobe flash
19:17<valdyn>liquidxd: not doing it will just accumulate and postpone issues
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19:17<valdyn>liquidxd: the point is you do full-upgrades whenever you can and have the time, and when it wont remove something you need
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19:18<liquidxd>yes but install kde 4 full-upgrade?
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19:18<valdyn>liquidxd: uh, you dont want kde4?
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19:19<valdyn>liquidxd: that is going to be bad with testing
19:19<valdyn>liquidxd: you can still postpone that upgrade i suppose, for a while
19:19<Chrono>Guys, i have a AMD64 processor with 2 cores. its interesting using tree-based RCU?
19:19<valdyn>Chrono: wrong channel
19:20<liquidxd>i wait stable release for kde 4
19:20*SouthernC claps hands for his two processors
19:20<Chrono>ok i use Debian
19:20<valdyn>liquidxd: ok, postpone the full-upgrade, but dont expect it to be postponeable forever
19:20<valdyn>liquidxd: more and more packages will get held back
19:21<Chrono>i have a Debian AMD64 processor with 2 cores. its interesting using tree-based RCU?
19:21<valdyn>!tell Chrono -about repeat
19:21<Chrono>not repeat
19:21<SouthernC>thats mopre of a statment then a question
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19:21<valdyn>Chrono: and this is still the wrong channel
19:21<Chrono>look carefully
19:21<Chrono>whats the right channel?
19:22<valdyn>Chrono: no idea, a place where people with a clue about kernel internals hang out
19:22<valdyn>Chrono: and where kernel interals are on topic
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19:22<valdyn>Chrono: if you ask us: use a debian kernel with debians rcu config
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19:23<Chrono>... and there are the experience? apt.?
19:23<Chrono>many times i have asked about kernel questions here, here peoble know
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19:24<valdyn>Chrono: people are nice, its *still* offtopic
19:25<Chrono>no offtopic, offtopic is a distro war. offtopic is talking about microsoft, ontopic is about Debian Linux and all configs
19:25<valdyn>Chrono: did you read the description?
19:25*SouthernC sees a war provoking
19:25<valdyn>Chrono: it sais "for large SMP systems with hundreds or thousands of CPU"
19:25<liquidxd>has anyone xorg.conf for ibm thinkpad t30?
19:26<valdyn>SouthernC: nah, im like that
19:26<liquidxd>because i have the default!
19:26<Chrono>my question ok, but can still interesting for 2 or 4 cpus
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19:26<valdyn>Chrono: i dont think so
19:26*themill still can't find the actual question
19:26<valdyn>Chrono: a tree of 2 is not faster than a list of 2
19:26<SouthernC>sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
19:27<valdyn>Chrono: even a tree of 4 is probably not significantly better than a list of 4
19:27<valdyn>Chrono: wikipedia should be able to tell you waht a binary tree is and what its used for
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19:30<locklace>Chrono: you might as well go with tree rcu. classic is being deprecated
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19:33<valdyn>liquidxd: you have an actual problem? xorg.conf is not usually needed anymore
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19:34<liquidxd>no actually
19:35<liquidxd>only stuck when i scroll quickly the page on browser
19:35<valdyn>liquidxd: intel chipset?
19:36<liquidxd>ati mobility radeon 7500 (rv200)
19:36<valdyn>!intel slow scrolling
19:36<dpkg>Switch to XAA acceleration by modifying or adding a device section like in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
19:36<valdyn>liquidxd: you can try that ^^^ anyway, I do
19:37<valdyn>liquidxd: just that your driver isnt intel but radeon
19:38<valdyn>liquidxd: please just try,im lazy
19:38<gsimmons>valdyn: The default AccelMethod in radeon is XAA.
19:38<valdyn>gsimmons: no
19:38<liquidxd>ok man thanks anyway
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19:39<valdyn>gsimmons: this tweak makes a noticable difference on my tp t40, also with radeon mobility 7500
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19:41<valdyn>liquidxd: let me know if it makes a difference
19:41<valdyn>liquidxd: since i could be wrong and really just had EXA explicitely, not autmatically
19:41<liquidxd>wait to test it
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19:42<valdyn>liquidxd: or maybe you had EXA explicitely?
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19:43<Chrono>thank you locklace
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19:47<liquidxd>no video stuck much more on fullscreen
19:47<liquidxd>with EXA
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19:48<valdyn>liquidxd: youre supposed to use XAA
19:48<liquidxd>yes much better
19:49<valdyn>so gsimmons probably was right anyway
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19:49<valdyn>and you had EXA set explicitely
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19:50<liquidxd>here is glxgears
19:50<valdyn>glxgears should be unrelated
19:50<valdyn>thats gl, not xaa, not exa
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19:51<valdyn>its the framerate you should get however
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19:53<liquidxd>i know this
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19:55<liquidxd>what else can i adjust to make the scrolling on the pages smoother?
19:55<valdyn>liquidxd: tick off the smooth scrolling in firefox settings
19:55<valdyn>liquidxd: or iceweasel settings
19:56<liquidxd>in opera
19:56<valdyn>liquidxd: dont know opera
19:58<liquidxd>iceweasel is better know
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20:00<liquidxd>iceweasel is better than opera with this adjust
20:03<SouthernC>whats up with the big squares on iceweasel that have a play type symbol to display the images etc it always messes my pages up
20:03<Armageddon>how about Swiftfox ?
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20:19<drakeman>hey, good evening, i have a flash usb, format as Fat32 with mkfs.vfat, and when y copy all my 5 gb of files, when i go to a windows computer, it says that i dont have write permissions, just can read the files, there is anyway to copy files into the usb flash, without a defined owner or group, or to set permissions to everyone even for windows xp or vista machines?
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20:21<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
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20:21<dpkg>ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about < etch> for instructions and see Usage examples: Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
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20:23<simNIX>I cant refind that url I got here some time back where I could search bot trigers ...
20:23<ml|>dpkg: tell simNIX about dpkgbot
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20:25<drakeman>adb, my main problem is when i try to write in the usb format in my debian as fat in wdinwos xp
20:26<adb>rephrase please
20:26<simNIX>dpkg: tell simNIX about msg the bot
20:26<ml|>drakeman: hello, and rephrase
20:26<adb>dpkg: tell simNIX about selftell
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20:27<simNIX>ok - good course
20:27<markrian>How can I check whether popularity-contest is successfully sending reports to the server? The logs don't seem to indicate success or failure of sent info...
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20:28<prahal>hi is there a mean to expand a gtk treeview with the keyboard ?
20:28<drakeman>ml|, hello man, how are u......
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20:31<drakeman>ml|, ok, look i have an 8gb usb flash memory, my problem is tha i formatted the usb with the command mkfs.vfat -t vfat -F 32 /dev/sdc1, then i put all my files inside, until here im fine, when i go to my work computer (IWINDOWS XP) and try to delete or copy a new file into my usb i get a message saying you dont have permissions the drive is write protected..., so i dont know, what can be the problem here. if i format my drive in my windows vista i do
20:31<drakeman>nt have any problems!
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20:33<adb>drakeman: than format it in windows , linux will read /write w/o issue
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20:34<drakeman>adb, thanks, im thinking to do that..
20:35<drakeman>adb, ml, the first time i use sudo to do everytiime, now im trying to make th esame without sudo, just with my normal user, dont know i it can work in this way
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20:35<lawson_d>My server is using mysql. I wonder why aptitude wants to remove it when I try to install a package like nmap.
20:35<abrotman>you're probably mixing versions of debian .. paste the full output
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20:37<prahal_>lawson_d, seems to me this has nothing to do with nmap .... don't you have workaroundd aptitude by using apt-get/dpkg for to install another package ?
20:37<lawson_d>let me try.
20:37<prahal_>aptitude is only trying to restore proper dependencies for all packages whatever the package you are attempting to install is
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20:39<lawson_d>same problem with apt-get:
20:39<lawson_d>The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
20:39<lawson_d> libts-0.0-0 libnet-daemon-perl ttf-dejavu-extra libstdc++6-4.1-dev ttf-dejavu-core libx11-data rrdtool g++-4.1 libdbi-perl librrd2 librrd4
20:39<lawson_d> libhtml-template-perl libcairo2 libxcb-xlib0 libthai-data libdirectfb-1.0-0 librrds-perl libdatrie0 fontconfig libttf2 libxcb1
20:39<lawson_d> libpango1.0-common libxau6 libpixman-1-0 libxft2 fontconfig-config libtasn1-3-dev libxdmcp6 libthai0 libdbd-mysql-perl libxrender1 ucf
20:39<lawson_d> libpng12-0 ttf-dejavu libplrpc-perl libx11-6 libfontconfig1 libpango1.0-0 libxcb-render0 libxcb-render-util0 mysql-server-5.0
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20:40<abrotman> please
20:41<lawson_d> here's the output from apt-get
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20:42<abrotman>do i want to know why a LAMP server has pango installed ?
20:42<abrotman>lawson_d: aptitude install nmap mysql-server-5.0 mysql-client-5.0 .. does that help ?
20:42<lawson_d>no idea. my server runs ruby on rails.
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20:42<lawson_d>and apache solr.
20:43<Chrono>guys, if i compile 2.6.30, radeon drivers from repository will work?
20:43<abrotman>why are you compiling a kernel?
20:43<Chrono>or ill need to compile myself?
20:44<lawson_d>"aptitude install nmap mysql-server-5.0 mysql-client-5.0" tells me that the mysql-related stuff will get upgraded. but there're all these libraries that it's going to remove. I don't think it's a good idea.
20:44<lawson_d>how can I fix the dependencies?
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20:44<abrotman>lawson_d: paste your sources.list in the pastebin
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20:45<Chrono>abrotman, to learn.
20:45<abrotman>so why ask .. just go learn
20:46<Chrono>learning is asking., :D
20:46<abrotman>and reading
20:46<Chrono>reading the asks
20:46<Chrono>and the answers
20:46<Chrono>and book
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20:49<Chrono>well, i think i need to recompile. because i need to do it with others drivers. but i dont understand about radeon.
20:49<lawson_d> sources.list. I am running ubuntu
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20:50<abrotman>lawson_d: please go to #ubuntu on for support
20:50<simNIX>lawson_d, try #Ubuntu
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20:53<Chrono>abrotman, every new kernel i need to recompile a new driver? if its right, how to found source code of radeon driver?
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20:53<abrotman>radeon or fglrx ?
20:54<abrotman>i don't think you need to touch that driver
20:58<prahal_>Chrono, there is only the radeon framebuffer driver in the kernel (kms is not yet in) ... why do you think there is rradeon driver in kernel (xorg one is in xorg source)
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21:00<prahal_>There is microcode for radeon that is in firmware-linux package so I may be wrong . Yes I am ... you have the drm code in the kernel
21:01<prahal_>though if you ever touch the drm code you won't be in the learning curve ... but way beyond
21:02<Chrono>i know there are not radeon driver on kernel. my question is: I need to recopile the driver or i must use the same package on my computer?
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21:03<Chrono>or reinstall it on my computer
21:03<prahal_>you can use the same driver
21:03<prahal_>as in same xorg driver with different kernel
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21:04<Chrono>the kernel version is different
21:04<prahal_>xorg I meant not flglrx
21:04<Slurb>you must compile the binary from nvidia or the nvidia-kernel-source
21:04<Chrono>radeon not nvidia
21:05<prahal_>Slurb, we are talking radeon and xorg radeon when we are at it
21:05<Slurb>radeon as well
21:05<prahal_>nvidia also requires libglx switch ... piece of ****
21:05<Slurb>the modules are kernel specific
21:05<prahal_>Slurb, but the module for radeon "is" already in the kernel
21:05<prahal_>this is drm see above
21:06<Slurb>well then it will be included then
21:06<Chrono>i was confused because fglrx i need to recompile. But radeon driver iam not sure
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21:06<Slurb>but no 3d
21:06<prahal_>only nvidia does not use drm because it is based on old utah-glx project long obsolete
21:06<Chrono>ok, and to install 3d?
21:07<Slurb>you need fglrx
21:07<prahal_>Chrono, fglrx even comes with its own agp code for to replace the kernel one ... well piece of **** again :)
21:07<Chrono>there are 3D support for my card, on radeon driver
21:08<prahal_>Chrono, is your radeon card supported by the xorg driver ? if so you have 3D support without fglrx
21:08<prahal_>the 3D is drm + bits in the xorg driver
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21:10<Chrono>radeon driver is "ati" or "radeon" (on non-free is "fglrx")
21:11<Chrono>both work? ati or radeon work from the driver activation?
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21:11<prahal_>anybody encounterd the search feature of devhelp not working (seems an issue with # behing urlencoded) ?
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21:12<prahal_>Chrono, "radeon" works . 'ati' was failing back to 'radeon' when need be though I cannot tell if it still is (since the package have been splitted in three)
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21:13<Chrono>ok, ty. btw the same packages installed by apt on my machine (2.6.26) will work on 2.6.30? there are no need to reinstall/recopile anything?
21:13<vvas>"ati" was always a wrapper driver, and i think it's gone now
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21:15<prahal_>oups sorry about the devhelp ... I have experimental package so breakage is to be expected
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21:16<prahal_>Chrono, yes
21:17<adb>Chrono: boot in 2.6.30 and you'll see
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21:18<Chrono>ok, ill compile the kernel now
21:18<adb> 2.6.30 is in repos man
21:18<Chrono>make-kpkg dont copiles using -j2 (two cores)?
21:19<Chrono>not to squeeze
21:19<adb>yes for lenny
21:19<Chrono>are u kidding, :D its just not to squeeze?
21:20<Chrono>(note i use amd64)
21:20<adb> 2.6.30 work on >=lenny
21:20<adb>maybe etch too..
21:21<Chrono>2.6.30 on lenny.. not on official repo
21:21<Chrono>i search now. just on sid
21:22<drakeman>ml|, if i want to give access to a command ifwconfig to a user, how can i do, i dont want to use sudo, for certain commands that requires it.
21:22<Chrono>but about -j2
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21:23<simNIX>drakeman, I think its or sudo for only that command (quite savish) or set sudo bit so program gets run as root on execution ..
21:23<Chrono>make-kpkg dont have option to use 2 cores?
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21:24<simNIX>lats one les save
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21:24<adb> man make-kpkg
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21:24<simNIX>drakeman, can yuo elaberate why sudo dont fit ?
21:24<drakeman>simNIX, but there is no way to set the command to a user withoutthe user have to use sudo?
21:24<simNIX>in sudo you can say this user can only sudo this command ...
21:25<drakeman>simNIX, i just want to type for example mount -t blah blah blah, without write sudo mount -t blah blah blah
21:25<simNIX>maybe put in fstab with user ?
21:25<simNIX>that wont restrict to one user
21:25<simNIX>drakeman, if its cosmetics ...
21:25<simNIX>.then maybe alias ?
21:25<drakeman>for example,
21:26<simNIX>so yuo can type maount / bla/bla
21:26<simNIX>and have it in vackground do sudo mount /bgg
21:26<drakeman>simNIX, i mounted my usb drive to my /media/usb folder, but if y try to copy something to the usb with my normal use, i get premission denied. because i have to use sudo, mmm let me try to change the permissions to that folder, or owner, dont know
21:27<simNIX>of top of head something like alias mount="sudo mount"
21:27<simNIX>drakeman, I asume ntfs or fat ?
21:27<Slurb>drakeman there is a file that needs to be edited
21:27<simNIX>then mount as certain user (you in fstab may help)
21:27<drakeman>simNIX, the usb drive is formatted to fat32 with mkdosfs
21:28<simNIX>then you need to mount it as the user that needs read / writing
21:28<Slurb>usb sticks work automatically for me
21:28<simNIX>quirks coused by ntfs not getting / storing user rights like we do
21:29<simNIX>but you get permison denied I just got ?
21:29<simNIX>"i mounted my usb drive to my /media/usb folder, but if y try to copy something to the usb with my normal use, i get premission denied. because i have to use sudo, mmm let me try to change the permissions to that folder, or owner, dont know"
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21:30<simNIX>if the mount is owned by you
21:30<drakeman>simNIX, but i can only use the command mount ussing sudo....
21:30<Slurb>simNIX: /media is owned by root
21:30<Chrono>When using make-kpkg where to put the -j2/
21:30<Slurb>simNIX: add user to the group media
21:30<simNIX>d/media/usb ...
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21:31<simNIX>you heard it drakeman
21:31<drakeman>simNIX, so if i try to mount it with my user, .... mount: only root can do that
21:31<Chrono>make-kpkg -initrd -j2 kernel_image kernel_headers (is not working
21:31<simNIX>if in /etc/fstab you put user and as what user then after that yuor good next time yuo plug it in
21:31<Slurb>drakeman: add user to the group media
21:31<Chrono>error on -j2
21:32<Chrono>but on man pages it talks about it. i dont understand
21:32<Chrono>it talks that are a -j2 command
21:32<drakeman>simNIX, Slurb i dont have any group called, media,
21:32<drakeman>simNIX, Slurb i create the media folder myself to mount my usb drives.
21:33<Slurb>Chrono: make-kpkg -initrd --append-to-version -custom kernel_image kernel_headers
21:33<drakeman>sometime ago.
21:34<Chrono>Slurb i want to use my 2 cores, how to use the -j2 flag
21:34<Slurb>change the permissions on the folder to give write access to users
21:34<drakeman>Slurb, simNIX should i put my user in the group root?
21:34<Slurb>you will still have to mount it with sudo though
21:35<simNIX>drakeman, not needed for this specific case
21:35<simNIX>no not if you set user
21:35<simNIX>il paste my line in fstab
21:35<drakeman>Slurb, i change the permissions to the folder, to all users can write, read, execute, and is fine, but when i mount the usb drive, the premissions change automatically, and just the owner can write...
21:35<Slurb>Chrono: type export_concurrency_level=2
21:36<simNIX>not on this box - if you add user to opions in fstab then a regular user can mount it (wil automaunt usb dongle)
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21:36<drakeman>Slurb, look, thats my permissions in folder media without the usb mounted.drwxrwxrwx
21:36<Chrono>export_concurrency_level=2 is a command?
21:36<Chrono>it have no return
21:36<drakeman>Slurb, and when i mount my usb using sudo, the permissions are. drwxr-xr-x 2
21:36<Slurb>have you changed the permissions in fstab?
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21:37<Chrono>and then it starts to make but using a single core
21:37<Slurb>Chrono: it sets its to use multicores when compiling well 2 cores
21:37<drakeman>Slurb, no, i dont have any line added to my fsttab with this foloder.
21:38<Slurb>Chrono: export concurrency_level=2
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21:39<Chrono>Slurb, not worked
21:39<Chrono>make-kpkg still using 1 core
21:39<Slurb>it works for me
21:39<Chrono>export concurrency_level=2
21:39<Chrono>just type it,
21:39<Slurb>the command prints nothing
21:40<simNIX>drakeman, investegate umask=,gid=46 and users option in fstab - I dont have example line handy
21:40<Chrono>and works? no need to type with the make kpkg?
21:40<Slurb>but when i compiled the cpu usage went full
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21:41<Slurb>no then type make-kpkg -initrd --append-to-version -custom kernel_image kernel_headers
21:41<Slurb>and it should use both cores
21:41<Slurb>no need for -j2
21:42<Slurb>drakeman add it to fstab with the user option
21:42<Slurb>then you can mount as user with r/w
21:42<simNIX>yup if root setup that that ok simply put
21:43<Slurb>he died
21:43<drakeman>Slurb, mmm, iadded this line to my fstab /dev/sdc1 /media/usb vfat rw,auto,gid=drakeman,uid=drakeman 0 0
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21:43<drakeman>Slurb, let my try to moun it
21:43<Slurb>type mount -a
21:44<Slurb>but it should be auto
21:44<simNIX>drakeman, I found exapmle line;
21:44<simNIX>/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/system ntfs user,noauto,gid=1001,umask=027,ro 0 0
21:45<simNIX>this then being ro I spot now ..
21:45<simNIX>that ro should be rw
21:45<Chrono>sorry, Slurb not working. (export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2) doesnt change anything on machine. need any install?
21:45<Slurb>its not ntfs
21:45<simNIX>there same lne for vfat
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21:46<Slurb>Chrono: do you have multicore support in kernel?
21:46<simNIX>its the gid and umask and user that matter
21:46<Chrono>if i make -j2 it works
21:46<drakeman>simNIX, let me tryit
21:46<Chrono>but not works if i make-kpkg -j2
21:47<Chrono>or if i type (export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2) on bash
21:47<Slurb>Chrono: grep -c '^processor' /proc/cpuinfo
21:48<Slurb>If defined, this environment variable sets the concurrency level of make used to compile the kernel and the modules set using
21:48<Slurb>-j flags to the sub make in the build target of make-kpkg. Should be a (small) integer, if used.
21:49<drakeman>Slurb, mount -a doesnt work for me
21:49<Slurb>mount /dev/sdc1
21:50<Chrono>ok, its working now..
21:50<simNIX>mount -a in only usefull if yuo need to muont all filesytems in fstab ..
21:50<Chrono>the first minute, dont use the 2 processors
21:51<Slurb>i recall that now
21:51<Aleric>Hmpf.. this suddenly disappeared after my last update/upgrade:
21:51<Aleric>open /dev/[sound/]dsp: No such file or directory
21:51<Slurb>Aleric: reinstall alsa-oss
21:51<Slurb>i think
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21:51<Slurb>i think dsp is oss
21:51<Aleric>FATAL: Module alsa_oss not found.
21:52<drakeman>Slurb, i clone this line /dev/hda5 /mnt/windows/data vfat users,umask=0 0 0 in the link you give me
21:52<drakeman>Slurb, now it seems its working cpying and moving files without the sudo.
21:52<Slurb>Aleric: its not a module
21:53<simNIX>that would make /dev/hda5 /mnt/windows/data vfat user,gid=1001,umask=027,rw 0 0
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21:53<Aleric>alsa-oss is already the newest version.
21:53<simNIX>where gid number should be number of user if ownership of user is needed
21:53<Slurb>reinstall it
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21:54<Slurb>sudo aptitude reinstall alsa-oss
21:54<Chrono>Aleric, aptitude reinstall alsa-oss
21:55<Aleric>Ok, I did - still no /dev/[sound/]dsp
21:55<Slurb>Aleric: what version of debian
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21:57<dpkg>i heard oss is an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very <non-free> and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. ( for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the <Halloween> document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels (see <ALSA> for 2.6 info). OldSchoolSound
21:58<Slurb>modprobe snd-pcm-oss
21:59<Aleric>Thanks :)
21:59<Slurb>did that work
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21:59<Slurb>you're welcome
22:02<simNIX>any luck drakeman ?
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22:10<drakeman>simNIX, right now im copying many files, then im going to try the access in vista.. i will tell you after that, im copying 5gb of files..
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22:55<Chrono>Guys, error. I installed radeon driver (open) on my old kernel. it works, but on new it dont works
22:55<sylarr>anyone know how to manage policy-kit?
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22:56<sylarr>Chrono, maybe install it on new kernel too?
22:56<Chrono>but it isnt xorg.conf?
22:57<Chrono>on theory it must work on every kernel
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22:58<Chrono>And i noticed something on "radeon" there are cpu use, while on fglrx dont have. its normal. its an configuration error of mine?
22:59<sylarr>Chrono, I don't have much experience, but usually when I installed drivers I compiled them against a kernel source. So that mean that they would work with that version of kernel only
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23:00<sylarr>Chrono, and you said that you installed it on your old kernel
23:00<sylarr>Chrono, so try to install it on your new kernel
23:01<Chrono>but on new kernel there are no internet conection
23:01<Chrono>first i need to set wireless
23:01<Chrono>but its common
23:01<Chrono>that on "radeon" there are cpu use, while on fglrx dont have. its normal. its an configuration error of mine?
23:01<Chrono>its notmal?
23:02<sylarr>I think you just need the kernel source, so you can do it with the old kernel, but against th enew kernel source
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23:03<sylarr>Chrono, I don't know much about graphics cards. My experience on drivers is for network cards
23:03<Chrono>so about madwifi
23:03<Chrono>do you know?>
23:04<Chrono>i had make error [2]
23:04<craigevil>if your using the "open" radeon driver what is there to compile? aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeon or xserver-xorg-video-ati depending on your card
23:05<Chrono>craigevil, not on Lenny 2.6.30 :D
23:06<craigevil>if you compiled a 2.6.30 kernel ath5k should be in it, depending on your card you shouldnt have to use madwifi, better yet compile madwifi into the kernel when you compile it
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23:07<craigevil>xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-ati are in lenny, you need firmware-linux if you want the ATI binary drivers
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23:14<Chrono>wait a sec
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23:22<SuperMiguel>im trying to download run onikmaster it will download a large file and put it in the tmp folder.. the folder is about 600mb and the folder is about 400.. what would be the best way to make this work?? umount the /tmp from the current partion and mount it on another partition??
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23:28<johns>Shouldn't changes I made via setkeycodes go away when I restart X?
23:29<johns>Oh, got that backward.
23:29<johns>In any event, how do I undo them? :) I have two set to the same code right now.
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23:53<Chrono>how to discover the command of an installed .deb package?
23:54<Chrono>sometimes i install a package and dont know what is his command
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23:54<johns>Chrono: dpkg -L
23:55<Nemoder>dpkg -L <package> | grep bin
23:55<dpkg>ii <package> | grep bin 2.3-4.1 nemoder's private stamp collection
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