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00:05<geezar>hey guys
00:05<geezar>there is somebody there that can help me
00:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:06<geezar>debian comunity
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00:08<geezar>im new here i live in el salvador and i dont speak english pretty well
00:08<geezar>can somebody help
00:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:08<geezar>ok muchas gracias
00:09<geezar>hey gracias
00:09<compgrokker>you're welcome
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00:13<epsas>win 8
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00:22<southernc>anybody know how to get xfi xtreme audio drivers to work with lenny ?
00:22<southernc>cause kinda sucks without sound...
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00:23<prahal>edid detection by xorg is not working anymore . Is this an xorg-core issue or a driver issue ? And if the former has anyone else encountered it since last upgrade of xorg-xserver-core a few days a go in unstable ?
00:24<southernc>already tried that
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00:24<southernc>Creative have released 32-bit and 64-bit yet unfortunately proprietary drivers for their X-Fi series of cards (this excludes the Xtreme Audio as it not based on the emu20k1 chip)
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00:27<Nemoder>I hear OSS4 has better drivers for x-fi but I don't know much about it
00:27<DaveLib>hello i was looking for some general advice to get me started on local networking in Debian
00:27<Nemoder>DaveLib: man interfaces
00:28<DaveLib>thanks Nemoder
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00:29<prahal>southernc: it does not help but those drivers are told to be gpl
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00:31<southernc>thatd be good if i found one that worked lol
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00:31<prahal>sorry I have a hard time finding out anything on xtreme audio but not x-fi extreme audio ... are they not the same ?
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00:33<southernc>its Xfi xtreme audio
00:34<prahal> seems to suggest it is in alsa (maybe not the kernel in lenny default ...
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00:35<southernc>im trying that right now
00:35<southernc>i found
00:35<southernc>but not sure yet if its gonna work
00:36<gsimmons>southernc: The page on debwiki is hideously out of date, Creative's GPL'd drivers are now in ALSA's driver snapshot as snd-ctxfi. The Xtreme Audio differs due to its chipset, which exact device do you have? (e.g. 'lspci -v' at a pastebin).
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00:39<southernc>i dont know if thats there cause i tried installing the drivers through that wikki page or notr
00:40<southernc>but thats the card i have
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00:47<gsimmons>southernc: Can you provide its vendor and device codes? (lspci -nn | grep audio)
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00:47<southernc>03:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio [1002:aa30]
00:47<southernc>05:09.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Creative Labs SB X-Fi [1102:0005]
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00:49<southernc>this is the only one i could find
00:49<southernc>and the directions for installing it i dont really understand..
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00:55<prahal> has an example of build process
00:57<southernc>ah ok thanks
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01:13<southernc>yeay it worked
01:13<southernc>i never thought michael jacksons video on you tube would sound so good
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01:17<gsimmons>southernc: Good to know. Can you pastebin "cat /proc/asound/cards" somewhere?
01:18<southernc>yup one sec
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01:18<RedMaw>how do you run as super user from the shell?
01:19<southernc>or sudo
01:19<southernc>to run a command
01:19<RedMaw>sudo didn't work and I forgot to try su
01:19<RedMaw>didn't feel like like restarting without asking just in case it didn't work XD
01:19<RedMaw>thanks southernc
01:20<southernc> 0 [XFi ]: SB-XFi - Creative X-Fi
01:20<southernc> Creative X-Fi 20K1 SB073x
01:20<southernc> 1 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
01:20<southernc> HDA NVidia at 0xcfff0000 irq 23
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01:20<southernc>i did use the debian bot haha
01:22<southernc>Gsimmons i tried installing that other driver xfidrv-1.18.2.tgz how do i uninstall that now i dont see it in dpkg -l
01:22<gsimmons>southernc: Could you actually pastebin that, along with 'lsmod' output? I'm surprised that a "Xtreme Audio" device is appearing as EMU20K1 (was expecting CA0106).
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01:22<southernc>its giving me alot of output of errors on boot
01:22<southernc>oh ok yea
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01:24<gsimmons>southernc: (re xfidrv) You need to manually remove /etc/init.d/ctsound and whatever else it installed, as it is not a Debian package.
01:24<southernc>ahh didnt even think of that ok
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01:28<southernc>thanks for the help
01:28<gsimmons>southernc: Thanks. You're using the snd-ctxfi driver for support of this device. Are you absolutely sure you purchased/acquired an "Xtreme Audio" branded card?
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01:30<enouf>gsimmons: fwiw, i see "Creative X-Fi" which to me == xf1del1ty crap
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01:33<coki>hola hay alguien?
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01:34<southernc>actually it might be a xtreme gamer
01:35<southernc>now that i think about it
01:35<southernc>dont rmeber ive had it quite a while
01:35<snogglethorpe>hmm so when was mt dew last fashionable?
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01:41<joseph>i dont know why but when i run taksel on the shows aptitude failed
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01:41<enouf>don't run tasksel?
01:42<enouf>why on earth would you?
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01:46<gsimmons>southernc: Right, that would explain 0005 (instead of 0007) for the device code. Thanks for the details.
01:47<joseph>enouf; its my project to configure tasksel....
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01:48<joseph>enouf; unexpectedly debian is working very slowly and the new tasks that i created yesterday were working file till yesterday...but today it doesn't seem to be working
01:49<enouf>joseph: your orig post equates to "when i start my computer, it doens't boot"
01:50<enouf>(and even your followups)
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01:51<joseph>enouf; the booting time has become slower and debian's taking time to load any pplications
01:51<joseph>enouf; the booting time has become slower and debian's taking time to load any applications
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01:53<joseph>enouf; any ide why i get the error aptitude failed (255) when i run tasksel
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01:58<slush>what happens if you run aptitude on its own?
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02:10<enouf>joseph: no
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02:25<joseph>enouf; i dont know why but when i run tasksel and after i select a displays the progress bar..which doesn't make any progress
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02:26<nikobit>hello, there!
02:26<MercinovA># I'm new to linux, so I'm familiar with proper protocol...can someone please direct me to the proper channel for help with getting my 5.1 Audio working?
02:26<MercinovA>* unfamiliar
02:28<nikobit>i've installed lenny at my laptop. that is toshiba satellite a200-1gh. questions, comments? beleive not. everything works from the beginning!
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02:30<MercinovA>Lenny works great with just a bit of tweaking on system...all but the 5.1 Audio...
02:30<MercinovA>my system, that is...
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02:31<nikobit>ok, haven't meet that problem so far. search and you will be rewarded. good luck!
02:32<MercinovA>Anyone here have a nVidia High Definition Audio card with working 5.1?
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02:34<MercinovA>kk...then...guess I'll just start blurting and hope someone finds interest...
02:34<snogglethorpe>uh oh
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02:35<MercinovA>alsamixer doesn't display all channels or a channel switch for my nVidia HDA...any takers?
02:35<nikobit>may be you're the first who faced this
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02:36<MercinovA>it's a new install...sound works great...but only getting 2 spkr setup on my options to switch to 5.1 channels anywhere...
02:37<MercinovA>anyone have 5.1 audio working in 2.6.26-2-amd64?
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02:40<MercinovA>anyone who cares? *chirp-chirp* ....figures...hmph!
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02:44<MercinovA>I've altered the .asoundrc files as indicated by some forum posts, but to no avail...I've tinkered with the asound.conf and other parts...lost sound completely at one point and had to do a fresh install...this is getting rather frustrating... :(
02:44<joseph>the-dude; are you themill
02:45<paistis>MercinovA: you use pulseaudio?
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02:46<MercinovA>not sure how to get pulseaudio working in to linux and its not pre-installed on my system..
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02:47<event_done>hey. how do i go about installing a video card driver for my video card?
02:47<event_done>...starting with identifying my gpu
02:48<the-dude>joseph: no :)
02:48<MercinovA>sound system is set to auto-detect...pulseaudio is not listed in the available sound architectures...
02:48<MercinovA>event_done: what type of card do you have?
02:49<joseph>the-dude; ok fine
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02:52<MercinovA>I love Lenny and would love even more to put Windows on the shelf forever, but little things like 5.1 audio not working kinda kills it for me...Rest assure...I'll stick it out and send a Kill signal to MS!
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02:53<nikobit>must be other proprietary program that solves that
02:54<MercinovA>event_done: to identify your a terminal window and type : lshw **if it says the command doesn't Kpackage and type lshw in the search under all packages and install it**
02:54<event_done>yeah. i found it
02:54<event_done>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ProSavage KM133 (rev 03)
02:54<event_done>it's pretty old
02:55<MercinovA>yep...looks like a 4mb or 8mb card...
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02:56<MercinovA>I'd check for any available linux drivers first...
02:57<vortex>event_done: xserver-xorg-video-savage has support for ProSavage cards
02:57<vortex>just apt-get install it
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02:57<event_done>seems like it's already installed
02:58<vortex>event_done: hmm, and X is not starting?
02:58<event_done>i have video. i mean x is running
02:58<event_done>guess it's already working
02:58<vortex>indeed it is
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02:58<event_done>agreed. well done old chap
02:58*event_done shoots himself
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03:00<MercinovA>obviously event_done wasn't trying to install on a second system like I thott...
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03:03<MercinovA>can someone please direct me to a resolution for no 5.1 audio switch in alsamixer for my nVidia HDA?
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03:04<petern>edit -> preferences -> add 'channel mode' ... maybe
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03:05<petern>oh wait, that's gnome's mixer :s
03:05<MercinovA>KDE here...
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03:06<MercinovA>I've tried adding ttables to doesn't affect anything...
03:06<petern>in alsamixer i have a channel mode control (cropped to 'channel ') which lets me pick 6ch or 8ch. it defaulted to 6ch, but didn't let me use multiple channels until i toggled it back to 6 ch
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03:07<petern>and i can use multiple channels with no .asoundrc
03:07<MercinovA>what type of sound card do you have?
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03:07<petern>hda intel, alc888 codec
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03:08<MercinovA>I have alc660, but I'm not getting the 6 ch option...
03:08<MercinovA>I have an old Dell SB Live! 5.1 and was only able to get 4.0 working with it...
03:09<MercinovA>and that was just an emulated 4.0...
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03:12<MercinovA>I'd be happy with just a 4.1 audio center is connected to my monitor and doesn't really have a good I prefer the spacial distance of left+right=center...
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03:15<MercinovA>is it possible to use gnome's mixer in KDE?
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03:18<ghislainocfs2>hello there
03:19<ghislainocfs2>i have a little aptitude question that perhaps someone can help here :)
03:20<ghislainocfs2>is there a way to automaticaly told aptitude to run a command before and after each install/purge (basicaly i need to mount a special tmp partition)
03:20<MercinovA>I installed in KDE, but still don't have a 6 ch or even 5 ch option... :(
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03:21<petern>guess it doesn't have that option if it's 5.1 only
03:22<MercinovA>6 ch is 5.1
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03:22<petern>on mine the option is to toggle 5.1 or 7.1, so...
03:23<petern>what actually happens with 5.1 audio?
03:23<MercinovA>I can't even get 4 ch with alsa...and its an HDA screams 5.1!
03:24<MercinovA>did you install drivers for your card or was is "out of the box" ready?
03:24<petern>out of the box
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03:26<MercinovA>guess the devs skipped over the alc660...actually its a alc66-vd...
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03:30<MercinovA>pardon...meant alc660-vd
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03:46<MercinovA>What do I need to do to get PulseAudio working? Will it conflict with ALSA?
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03:51<petern>pulseaudio uses alsa
03:51<petern>so it will 'conflict' in that it keeps the device open, preventing non-PA-capable programs from using alsa
03:52<MercinovA>k...many thnx! :)
03:52<m2rk0>how can I change in opera what to do with .torrent file. Opera want's to open it with opera transfer, but I want to use deluge
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03:55<mhymn>m2rk0: that's not a debian question at all, anyway you can always save .torrent file somewhere and open it with deluge or whatever else
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03:56<m2rk0>sorry, my bad. it's linux question. :D
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03:57<MercinovA>petern: thnx again for taking the time to help...possibly have a resolution...need to reboot...
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04:23<valdyn> petern umm wrong
04:23<valdyn>petern: a) pa doesnt keep devices open b) theres pasuspend on top of that
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04:46<petern>valdyn, oh, well, if something's using it, then it's open, and pasuspend isn't much help then ;)
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04:59<joseph>themill; there??
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05:04<joseph>i have put the code of .desc file i created: I then ran tasksel in console and selected my tsk and then clicked ok..i get the progress bar...but there seems to be no progress even after waiting for a long time
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05:08<Zviper>does debian support ext4?
05:09<themill>joseph: your example worked for me without any problems
05:09<themill>dpkg: tell Zviper about ext4
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05:11<joseph>themill; but in my system i dont know why this problem started from this morning....not able to get head/tail of whats happening
05:11<themill>joseph: what's the output of "apt-cache policy alsamixergui"
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05:16<Zviper>is it safe to ctrl+c this? it's taking ages
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05:16<Zviper>/home: Adding dirhash hint to filesystem.
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05:18<themill>Are you really asking "is it safe to stop the conversion of an ext3 filesystem to ext4 midway though the process"?
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05:18<locklace>!win Zviper
05:18<dpkg>Congratulations, Zviper! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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05:19<dr|z3d>themill: He wouldn't be asking that now, would he?! Seriously? :/
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05:20<dr|z3d>Zviper: Stop a file conversion before it's done, you can kiss goodbye to your data.
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05:31<valdyn>Zviper: im sure its documented, ctrl-c being safe is not unlikely
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05:33<valdyn>ctrl-c is *not* a SIGKILL.
05:36<themill>That's not to say that changes to the fs can be undone, however. AIUI, ext3->ext4 is not reversible.
05:36<themill>dpkg, ext4->ext3
05:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ext4->ext3 is not possible. Once extents are enabled, it is an ext4 filesystem and cannot be reverted to ext3.
05:36<valdyn>extents arent reversible
05:37<valdyn>but the conversion does not make files stored in extents
05:37<valdyn>storing new files makes it irreversible
05:37<themill>So the conversion takes ages, changes the on-disk format but in a completely backwards compatible way?
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05:38<valdyn>themill: i dont know, that is why i referred to docs
05:38<valdyn>themill: theres no conversion like that necessary eitehr
05:39<vvas>no, the conversion is quick but doesn't change anything for existing files
05:39<valdyn>hes adding dirhash
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05:39<themill>I'm voting for it being one of these for which ^C is bad news
05:39<joseph>here it is:
05:40<valdyn>thats an ext3 feature already
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05:40<valdyn>and I think having hashes only for parts of your dirs shouldnt break anything
05:40<valdyn>but i dont know
05:40<themill>well, he wouldn't be doing this without backups, now, would he... so we can always find out
05:41<valdyn>actualy im pretty sure that it doesnt break anything to ctrl-c this
05:41<valdyn>but im not 100% sure
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05:42<themill>joseph: you can run tasksel in "test" mode (see the --test option in man tasksel) that prints out the command it would have aptitude run. Try running that from the terminal and see what happens.
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05:42<themill>joseph: (leave off the "debconf-apt-progress -- " at the start of the command)
05:42<valdyn>Zviper: in short, this is a relatively new ext3 feature that speeds up directory lookups, it shouldnt be dangerous in any way
05:43<vvas>Zviper: i'd try strace'ing it to see what it's doing
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05:44<vvas>Zviper: i assume you're not doing this on a mounted filesystem or anything silly like that
05:44<themill>I'd have thought about it more before deciding on a whim to change fs and then changing my mind about it 2 minutes later...
05:44<joseph>themill ;what do you mean by leave off
05:44<themill>joseph: omit
05:47<valdyn>themill: ctrl-c working at all when it breaks the fs is a serious bug
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05:50<joseph>themill ;here's what i got:
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05:56<joseph>themill; the debian is just like some egyptian mystery.....i wonder why it was working till yesterday
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06:09<xmaster>Witam wszystkich
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06:10<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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06:31<themill>joseph: right -- so based on that output, you should run "aptitude -q --without-recommends -o APT::Install-Recommends=no -y install alsamixergui" and see what its output is. (btw that "--debconf-apt-progress options" looks wrong)
06:32<jeremiah2>What does this notation mean: 1:
06:32<jeremiah2>Sorry, this one; git-core (<< 1:
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06:32<jeremiah2>The last . is kind of odd is it not?
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06:42<Vanished>hi there
06:42<Vanished>is it normal : the packet flashplayer-nonfree doesn't more exist
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06:44<dr|z3d>Vanished: flashplugin-nonfree ..
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06:44<Vanished>I understand
06:44<Vanished>thank you
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06:48<joseph>themill; yes it got installed..but first i got a problem saying that there was a lock on /usr/lib/dpkg/ this happened many times today though my synaptic manager was not open and not updates or installation was going i manually killed it and then ran the command and got it whats the point in running this command now??
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06:54<GlenneMannen>Anyone here know how to enable rt73 module on debian lenny ?
06:54<gsimmons>dpkg: tell GlenneMannen -about rt73
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06:55<GlenneMannen>gsimmons I did that but the module still doesn't exist
06:55<gsimmons>GlenneMannen: Which module specifically? rt73usb or rt73?
06:56<gsimmons>GlenneMannen: That can't be, rt73usb is included in Debian kernel images.
06:56<GlenneMannen>modinfo rt73usb shows no module
06:57<gsimmons>GlenneMannen: Are you using a custom kernel?
06:57<Vanished>I have a problem with flashplugin-non-free : my computer is burning using this soft, its heat go on 80°C and it reboot automatically, which alternative do I have for flash ?
06:57<GlenneMannen>gsimmons 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Tue Dec 5 21:26:38 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
06:57<dr|z3d>Vanished: Try gnash, perhaps.
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06:58<valdyn>Vanished: none really
06:58<valdyn>Vanished: the alternatives are slower
06:58<gsimmons>GlenneMannen: Okay. This is the part where you look at the kernel's version. Note that rt73usb was added to mainline in 2.6.24.
06:58<dr|z3d>Vanished: You might also want to check the ventilation in your box. Sounds like you might have something failing.
06:58<valdyn>Vanished: beside that a box overhating by just cpu load like that is defective anyway
06:58<GlenneMannen>gsimmons ok so there is no support for that module in the later kernel ?
06:59<Vanished>ok thank you
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07:00<valdyn>amazing how mplayer can play easily where flash would cause 100% cpu usage
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07:00<FourtyTruth>flash go to trash
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07:01<gsimmons>GlenneMannen: The module is included as of 2.6.24. You're using 2.6.8 for some reason.
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07:01<GlenneMannen>*bonks self*
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07:03<GlenneMannen>forgive me but how do I upgrade the kernel to the latest version ? =)
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07:03<themill>sarge kernel ftw :)
07:03<starenka>hi, where can i get "getlibs"? the dl link everybody links seems to be down
07:03<gsimmons>themill: Yes, I just thinking that.
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07:04<themill>GlenneMannen: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 apt dpkg aptitude perl" for us
07:04<GlenneMannen>themill ok
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07:05<themill>GlenneMannen: the output of "apt-cache policy" is probably the next question, btw :)
07:06<GlenneMannen>does dpkg have an paste function ?
07:06<GlenneMannen>in this ircserver that is
07:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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07:07<themill>or pipe to "nc 1234"
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07:07<themill>GlenneMannen: ok, so the rest of your system seems to be updated to lenny, it's just that you have an ancient kernel. Things could be far worse.
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07:08<themill>!stable sources.list
07:08<dpkg>Despite the fact previous installers and countless websites will tell you to do this, do *not* use "stable" in your sources.list; use the release code name instead (e.g. "etch" or "lenny"). Upgrading between releases is no longer trivial; make sure you read the <release notes> and ask me about <etch->lenny>.
07:09<GlenneMannen>themill ok but I cant find any newer kernel in aptitude
07:09<GlenneMannen>so I should replace stable with lenny instead ?
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07:10<themill>GlenneMannen: Yes. Installing the "linux-image-686" package should bring in the 2.6.26 kernel from lenny for you
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07:11<GlenneMannen>Ok, I'll try that ty
07:11<CissWit>haha Braqueur
07:12<GlenneMannen>themill, btw after chaning the stable to lenny should I run a safe-upgrade ?
07:12<CissWit>oops sorry =) irssi fail.
07:13<themill>GlenneMannen: that shouldn't be necessary, although you will need to "aptitude update". You might like to check that an "aptitude full-upgrade" doesn't want to do thing as you may have other un-updated packages.
07:13<themill>GlenneMannen: Also check the output of "aptitude search ~o" to see if you've got other cruft left lying around from previous releases.
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07:14<GlenneMannen>aptitude update showed me like [+12671] updates
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07:16<Vanished>Mickhael Jackson is dead
07:16<themill>Vanished: wrong channel
07:17<Ikarus>Where should I place system filters in Debian style of exim4 configuration
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07:20<themill>GlenneMannen: that's probably just because you changed "stable" to "lenny" so it sees them as new packages. I presume aptitude {safe,full}-upgrade doesn't actually want to do anything, however
07:20<GlenneMannen>themill thats correct, ty
07:20<jeremiah2>Ikarus: exim4 has some very good documentation - you may want to check that out.
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07:20<themill>GlenneMannen: excellent.
07:20<Ikarus>jeremiah2: yeah, I know, but I am left with this one question :)
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07:21<jeremiah2>Ikarus: And you also may want to specific which type of 'filters' you are speaking of; i.e. seive?
07:21<GlenneMannen>ty for all of you guys help
07:21<Ikarus>jeremiah2: system filters, you know, the native way to do changing of things like subject in exim
07:22<jeremiah2>Ikarus: I don't know that off the top of my head, exim spec file should help you though.
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07:39<glock>!hello dpgk
07:40<dr|z3d>!congratulate glock
07:40<dpkg>Yay glock, you did it!
07:41<glock>thnx, dr|z3d
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07:42<dpkg>pas de quoi, glock
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08:06<GlenneMannen>themill are you still there ?
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08:12<GlenneMannen>anyone know how to enable the wlan0 I got it running but it aint connectable
08:12<ranix>man iwconfig
08:12<ranix>and ifconfig
08:12<ranix>if you are using a graphical network management tool
08:13<ranix>just don't
08:13<GlenneMannen>I'm not using graphical, only console
08:13<gsimmons>GlenneMannen: Did you install the firmware-ralink package from non-free?
08:13<GlenneMannen>gsimmons yeah
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08:15<vvas>hm, audio skips, fun times
08:15<vvas>one would have thought we'd gone past such problems in 2009...
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08:16<chealer>GlenneMannen: what do you mean by running but not connectable?
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08:16<GlenneMannen>it's not showing up in other devices whens earching
08:17<GlenneMannen>when searching*
08:19<vvas>ah ok, it's not 2.6.30, it's audacious and its stupid problems with the intel sound chips
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08:20<gsimmons>GlenneMannen: Are you using the rt73usb or rt73 driver?
08:20<GlenneMannen>rt73usb one
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08:25<chealer>GlenneMannen: searching what/how?
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08:26<GlenneMannen>chealer the network ? I got a network on debian and want to access the wifi with example my laptop or my mobilephone
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08:28<chealer>GlenneMannen: so you're trying to setup an access point?
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08:29<`Ile`>awww sweet
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09:06<chealer>GlenneMannen: what does iwconfig tell about the interface?
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09:23<joseph>themill; i am facing problems with tasksel.....dont know why its behaving that way
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09:34<bremner>Is there a nice way to clean up dead ssh multiplexing sockets when the process attached to them dies?
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09:36<adb>`Ile`: stop it
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09:42<locklace>bremner: you mean the stuff it throws in /tmp?
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09:47<kapil>bremner: if you start a new ssh it will replace the older unused socket
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09:48<bremner>locklace: I mean ~/.ssh/master-host-user:22
09:48<bremner>kapil: for me, it says ControlSocket blahblah already exists, disabling multiplexing
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09:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:52<igsen>How can I show "main menu" in my debian(xfce) like in my xubuntu distro?
09:54<igsen>main menu where I can remove some menu under Application.
09:54<dr|z3d>igsen: Just add the correct panel applet.
09:54<igsen>dr|z3d, and what is that?
09:55<dr|z3d>I think it's pretty obvious, if only you look.
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09:57<ert34>I have a linux supported scanner. When I open xsane, I got a a error message telling that it failed opening "v4l:/dev/video0"... I think that I misconfigured it using v4l, how do I solve it?
09:58<`Ile`>what tells you dmesg ?
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09:59<ert34>`Ile`, I have a couple lines telling canoscan
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10:02<ert34>[ 211.676272] usb 1-2: Product: CanoScan
10:02<ert34>[ 211.676280] usb 1-2: Manufacturer: Canon
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10:04<keschrich>Has anybody else noticed AIM not working in Pidgin today?
10:05<bzed>ert34: run lsusb and give me the device ID please
10:05<ert34> ID 04a9:2220 Canon, Inc. CanoScan LIDE 25
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10:07<ubuntu>change nickname
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10:07<bzed>ert34: have a look into - as far as I understand it you have to configure your device in /etc/sane.d/plustek.conf
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10:07<igsen>keischrich, My pidgin doesn't work with yahoo too!
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10:07<locklace>!lart Guest888
10:07*dpkg resizes Guest888's terminal to 40x24
10:07<jeremiah2>Guest888: Too late, we know you are running Ubuntu.
10:08<bzed>ert34: also it should be detected automaticall in theory
10:08<bzed>ert34: if udev creates /dev/usbscanner
10:08<ml|>judd pciid 04a9:2220
10:08<judd>ml|: [04a9:2220] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
10:08<bzed>ert34: if you don't have /dev/usbscanner, I guess you either need to configure sane or udev :)
10:08<joseph>I want to install a package without entering option yes/no which they ask during installing a package
10:09<bzed>joseph: man apt :)
10:09<bzed>joseph: err, man apt-get
10:09<bzed>or man aptitude
10:09<bzed>search for yes
10:09<bzed>and force
10:09<joseph>bzed; i used the --force-yes option but still it itsnt giving me what i wanted
10:09<gsimmons>igsen: See Debian bug #533729.
10:10<igsen>gsimmons, noted.
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10:11<bzed>joseph: is dpkg asking you questions?
10:12<ert34>bzed, I need install sane-plustek, and edit this config file?
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10:13<igsen>gsimmons, how sad...
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10:13<bzed>ert34: no, you need to install sane. look if you have /dev/usbscanner - if not, edit /etc/sane.d/plustek.conf
10:13<bzed>joseph: apt-get --yes -o
10:13<dpkg>bzed: no idea
10:13<jhonny>themill; are you there
10:14<bzed>joseph: apt-get --yes -o DPkg::options::="--force-confnew"
10:14<bzed>joseph: that can be dangerous, though
10:14<bzed>joseph: if dpkg asks you to investigate in a configuration question, best is to solve it manually
10:15<ert34># device /dev/usbscanner
10:15<ert34>device auto
10:15<bzed>ert34: look if you have the device in your system, not in the config file...
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10:18<bzed>ls /dev/usbscanner
10:19<bzed>or use your favourite file manager to look into /dev
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10:20<bzed>this does not answer my question.
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10:20<ert34>I don't have /dev/usbscanner
10:20<ert34>I got not found with the ls command
10:20<ert34>for /dev/usbscanner
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10:20<bzed>than edit /etc/sane.d/plustek.conf as described in the file and in the documentation I lnked you to
10:20<bzed>ert34: ^
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10:21<bzed>ert34: and add the device ID of your scanner instead of device auto
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10:22<ert34>device 2220?
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10:24<ert34>the vendor ID is needed too?
10:25<ert34>I want xsane working with the scanner... I don't want only the line command tool
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10:26<ert34>I had saved the plustek.conf
10:26<ert34>what now?
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10:28<Leo>hi all
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10:29<Leo>is possible to compile a kernel on a machine A (with modules) and install it on another machine via ssh?
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10:30<ert34>I think that I misconfigured xsane one time. How do I install my scanner: ?
10:30<locklace>Leo: sure
10:31<locklace>Leo: if it wasn't, there'd be no such thing as a debian kernel package, for one
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10:32<Leo>locklace: it's enough do make bzImage then make modules and modules_install
10:32<Leo>then transfer bzImage file and lib/2.6.XX dir on machine B?
10:32<Leo>(and configure grub etc etc..) ?
10:32<locklace>Leo: a better idea if you're running debian is to make a kernel package using the make-kpkg tool
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10:33<locklace>Leo: that will produce a .deb which you can just copy to your other machines and install with a simple dpkg -i
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10:33<ert34>I got a error message when I start xsane: Fail when opening device: 'v4l:/dev/video0' Invalid argument
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10:34<Leo>locklace yes i'm using debian on both machine
10:34<Leo>but i'm doing a lot of tries, maybe i can build .deb file for the final "release"
10:35<locklace>Leo: "aptitude install kernel-package" and then read the README files in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package
10:35<Leo>i'm building from vanilla kernel
10:35<locklace>Leo: right, you can just build normally as many times as you want, then when you're happy with it you can run the make-kpkg at the end to generate the .deb
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10:36<locklace>Leo: right. the "kernel-package" package provides the make-kpkg tool which allows you to generate a .deb from a vanilla kernel build
10:36<Leo>sry I read "kernel-image"
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10:37<ert34>On windows XP I just click and install my scanner. Why it is so complicated on debian?
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10:38<petemc>ert34: what is it that you click?
10:38<ert34>petemc, the installer cd
10:38<`Ile`>coz linux rulz
10:38<dr|z3d>ert34: It isn't, unless your scanner isn't supported fully under Linux. If it is, it should be seen automagically.
10:38<petemc>ert34: so the question you should be asking is "why doesnt my scanner manufacturer write drivers for linux"
10:38<ert34>Yes, it is supported.
10:39<ert34>When I bought it I checked.
10:39<ert34>But it have drivers.
10:39<dr|z3d>Ok, and. So, did it come with a driver CD for Linux?
10:40<Leo>ert34: brand/model of the scanner?
10:40<dr|z3d>Ok. They may well be embedded into the kernel.
10:40<adb>judd: pciid 04a9:2220
10:40<judd>adb: [04a9:2220] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
10:40<ert34>Canon Scan LiDE 25
10:40<ml|>adb: read up :P
10:40<ert34> CanonScan LiDE 25 appers here
10:41<themill>is it a PCI scanner? interesting sounding beast....
10:41<ert34>no usb
10:42<ert34>On my another machine with Ubuntu it works.
10:42<ert34>It's a debian problem, maybe.
10:42<ranix>ert34: what kernel are you using in ubuntu
10:42<ranix>ert34: and what kernel are you using in debian
10:42<bzed>udev doesn't recognize it
10:42<bzed>not a kernel problem
10:42<bzed>there is no need for a kernel module fo rthe scanner
10:42<bzed>libusb does the job just fine
10:43<bzed>but udev doesn;t recognize the device as scanner, so you either need to configure udevor sane
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10:45<Leo>ert34: I miss something: which is exaclyt the error? (i clered channel log)
10:45<ert34> looks like I had edited the file with "device 2220"
10:46<ert34> When I open xsane, I got a a error message telling that it failed opening "v4l:/dev/video0"
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10:49<ert34>bzed, how do I edit that file?
10:51<ert34>Damn day when I choose debian for my eee instead windows xp... :-(
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10:51<`Ile`>nah debian is a cool os u will see
10:52<ert34>I need it working later for a little job.
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10:53<luca_>hi everyone
10:53<Leo>hi luca_
10:54<luca_>I have a little problem - I appear not to have any console session active, I can't reckon why :( Is there any way to restore the normal number of 6?
10:55<dr|z3d>luca: ctrl+alt+f6
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10:56<ranix>ert34: what was the model of the scanner again?
10:56<luca_>dr|z3d: that would function if I had any console sessions active :)
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10:56<luca_>as it is, I just switch to a black screen with a blinking underscore
10:56<ranix>CanoScan LiDE 25?
10:56<Leo>how can I check my root ext2 fs with fsck?
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10:57<ert34>CanoScan LiDE 25
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10:57<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Leo -about forcefsck
10:57<llutz>Leo: "touch /forcefsck" and reboot
10:57<Leo>llutz: so easy? :D
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10:58<dr|z3d>Make sure you run that command as root, Leo.
10:58<Leo>yes i'm root
10:58<luca_>going out for a sec
10:59<Leo>a bolt caused electricity in my house down for a while, while I as apt-getting a package, now apt-get isn't executable
10:59<ranix>ert34: I see that Canon has no linux drivers for this scanner on their website
10:59<ranix>ert34: I see that other debian users have had problems with not having drivers, and see no fixes
10:59<bja>Leo: download apt-get directly from site and dpkg to reinstall it in situ
10:59<ranix>ert34: I see that Ubuntu users have also not been able to use it
11:00<ert34>ranix, I have this working on Ubuntu
11:00<Leo>bja: i can't either overwrite existing apt-get
11:00<ert34>ranix, it really works
11:00<ert34>I tested
11:00<ranix>ert34: did you try running "sane-find-scanner"?
11:00<ert34>And it works very fine, plug and play
11:00<ranix>give it a shot
11:01<ranix>you should see "found USB scanner (vendor=0×04a9 [Canon], product=0×2220 [CanoScan], chip=LM9832/3)"
11:01<ert34>I see it
11:02<ranix>ok now give it a shot
11:03<ert34>the same
11:03<ranix>ert34: run the command "scanimage -L"
11:03<locklace>luca_: does openvt work for you
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11:06<ert34>found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9 [Canon], product=0x2220 [CanoScan], chip=LM9832/3) at libusb:002:003
11:06<ranix>ert34: can you pastebin your lsusb?
11:06<ert34>device `v4l:/dev/video0' is a Noname CNF7129 virtual device
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11:09<ranix>ert34: run the command: scanimage -T -d plustek:libusb:002:003
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11:10<ert34>scanimage: open of device plustek:libusb:002:003 failed: Error during device I/O
11:10<ranix>is this an eeepc?
11:10<ert34>with a kernel backport
11:10<ranix>the ubuntu that this works on is not an eee, is it?
11:10<ert34>no, it isn't
11:11<ranix>you have run into a known bug with USB suspend functions
11:11<ranix>there's a workaround
11:11<ranix>you need to install the package "scanbuttond" using apt-get or aptitude
11:11<ert34>oh, please \, tell me how
11:11<ranix>(fyi this bug also exists in Ubuntu)
11:12<ranix>then run "scanbuttond -r 1000000"
11:12<ranix>then re-run the scanimage -T -d line you got an I/o error on and see if it works
11:12<ert34>trying it now
11:12<ranix>k, let me know how you make out
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11:15<ert34>if plustek:libusb:002:003 is the thing that I need to run with scanimage -T -d it doesn't works
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11:20<Leo>bja: where i can download apt?
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11:21<adb>Leo: use wget on pdo
11:21<dr|z3d>Leo: apt should already be installed.
11:21<dr|z3d>It's how you install stuff in Linux.
11:21<dr|z3d>Well, Debian based Linux.
11:21<rutski>I'm really confused as to what I have to do to set up a wacom tablet under the new way debian's xorg.conf works
11:22<rutski>I was under the impression that things were autodetected now, and that xorg.conf was to be left basically empty
11:22<Leo>adb: pdo?
11:22<adb>dpkg: tell Leo about pdo
11:22<rutski>but it's not autodetecting the wacom tablet correctly, `xsetwacom list dev` doesn't show a wacom device
11:22<petemc>rutski: it will still use a config file, if one exists
11:23<rutski>though the tablet does work as a basic mouse, though not in the way I need it to work as a 1-to-1 screen mapped tablet
11:23<adb>Leo: dpkg -l apt | grep ii
11:23<adb>does what ?
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11:24<ert34>ranix, there is something more that I can try to get this working?
11:24<ranix>your scanner isn't simply off or something is it
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11:25<ert34>ranix, locked xD
11:26<Leo>adb: I have that line but I have some problems because electricity went down and apt-get is no more an executable file
11:26<Leo>adb: the error is "stale nfs file handle"
11:26<ert34>but still not woring
11:27<dr|z3d>Leo: try aptitude install apt-get
11:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>.
11:27<locklace>!why not aptitude
11:27<dpkg>Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source".
11:27<Leo>dr|z3d: i got that problem WHILE I was apt-getting aptitude, so aptitude gives segmentation fault :\
11:27<asaleem>Does anyone know what is the maximum URI limit of apache in debian 4.0?
11:28<dr|z3d>Leo: What about dselect.. is it installed?
11:28<ranix>lol is it working now ert34 ?
11:28<ranix>aqh fck
11:28<ert34>ranix, I remember that I used v4l to configure xsane
11:29<ranix>well, mess with it some more. If you can't get it working, ask the channel again and tell them about the output of scanimage -L, and that your failure occurs when you do that scanimage -T -d
11:29<ert34>and before this misconfiguration xsane worked.
11:29<ranix>unfortunately I have never used a scanner in my life
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11:29<ranix>so I can't do more troubleshooting
11:29<ert34>ah ok, thanks for all
11:30<Leo>dr|z3d: Yes, i have dselect
11:30<ert34>Even purging and reinstalling xsane it keeps some configurations
11:31<Leo>dr|z3d: mmh.. i think my fs was fucked up :\
11:31<adb>ert34: try purging v4l-conf tooy
11:31<ert34>I remember that out-of-the-box it open
11:32<adb>ert34: try purging v4l-conf too*
11:32<ert34>then I opened and misconfigured it
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11:33<dr|z3d>Leo: dselect install aptitude apt-get
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11:34<ert34>i have not v4l-conf
11:34<ert34>i don have it
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11:35<Leo>dr|z3d: dselect can't find some scripts :) I think i will deboostrap again (it's and embedded device)
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11:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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11:44<bja>Leo: Sorry was away but download it directly from the debian site :)
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11:44<Leo>bja: don't worry...I managed that I should restore last backup of whole FS
11:45<bja>good luck
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12:03<ert34>ranix, you don't believe.
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12:04<ert34>I just purged, restarted the pc, installed xsane again... started xsane, and it asked me for use v4l on my canoscan... it worked
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12:04<ert34>even purging xsane it keep some configs, computer restart is needed
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12:06<ert34>where I reported that it works?
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12:07<ml|>!congratulate ert34
12:07<dpkg>Good show ert34, you did it!
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12:09<ert34>this laser can blind
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12:20<mhymn>how can i load the .Xmodmap file when x starts? i couldn't find anything relevant in /etc/X11/Xsession or /etc/X11 directory
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12:21<ml|>mhymn: how do start X?
12:21<locklace>mhymn: call it from your x startup file (~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc)
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12:24<mhymn>hmm, thanks, will give it a try
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12:32<jthomas_sb_>I cannot get audio output from Flash nor Audacity; Amarok plays fine. I think something is holding open the sound but I have closed Amarok and its still not working; lsof /dev/dsp returns nothing. Suggestions, without logging out and in again?
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12:35<jthomas_sb_>KDE4 Ssytem Settings > Notifications makes noise fine.
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12:44<jthomas_sb_>hmm closed Firefox and Audacity's Audio Out now works, musta been something there.
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12:44<ranix>congrats ert34
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12:47<mhymn>locklace: no luck! am i doing something wrong? here's my ~/.xession -->
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12:49<kapil>mhymn: in a shell script "exec program" passes control to "program". so the second line is never executed!
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12:49<ml|>no need for exec
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12:51<vvas>mhymn: you should put the xmodmap line above the xfce4-session line and remove the exec from the xmodmap line
12:51<kapil>mhymn: see the amendment.
12:52<kapil>also ignore/delete the last line. (i forgot!)
12:52<ml|>xmodmap ~/.Xmodap should work just fine and what vvas said
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12:56<mhymn>OK, thanks guys
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13:08<ert34>hmm... this xsane thing is pretty good
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13:09<ert34>There is any good ocr project?
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13:10<ert34>To use with xsane?
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13:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:27<fjpareja>que pasa manta
13:27<sney>pasa nada
13:28<sney>estoy descansado
13:28<ranix>el gato es en el sacapuntas
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13:28<ranix>fjpareja mi amigo, el smoko un blunt
13:28<dr|z3d>Mis calcetines son sucios.
13:29<sney>there needs to be a !bad-es
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13:29<ranix>mexicanos tu cutto mi lawnya
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13:30<dr|z3d>I think ranix is in a class all his own, there.
13:30*dr|z3d chuckles.
13:31*ranix flashes his Latin King stacks
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13:31<bja>!nuke ranix
13:31*dpkg fires an 80 gigaton thermonuclear weapon at ranix
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13:33<bja>dr|z3d: verb to be in spanish has two separate meanings ser and estar
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13:33<dr|z3d>bja: I know. I was being bad on purpose, just to make everyone else feel comfortable. *wink*
13:34<sney>bja: yes, his calcetines are intrinsically filthy
13:34<sney>(socks? I think that's socks)
13:34<dr|z3d>eso si que es.
13:34<taniap>hola a todo
13:34<bja>well sox and sucks are also very similar :)
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13:35<ranix>holaaaaaaaa mi amigos
13:35<taniap>hola ranix
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13:35<taniap>de dond eres
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13:35<adb> taniap (~taniap@ == elenacs (~elenacs@
13:35<ranix>sido mejor
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13:36<taniap>hola a todo
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13:36<locklace>what the hell is going on in here
13:36<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
13:36<locklace>dpkg: slap everyone
13:36*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across everyone's face
13:37<sney>AY MI CARO
13:37<sney>as soon as someone asks an on-topic question in english, I'm sure it'll all go back to normal
13:37<taniap>alguien me puede explicar esto k no lo entiendo
13:38<locklace>fine. how the fuck do i get radeonfb to work with an hd mobility 3470
13:38<dr|z3d>!tell taniap about es
13:38<ranix>locklace: prayer
13:39<locklace>didn't work.
13:39<sney>para ayuda en español, por favor /j #debian-es. aqui hay solamente cabrones en español.
13:39<ranix>No hablo siquiera una palabra de español!
13:39<ranix>¿Cómo puedo utilizar # debian-es?
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13:39<sney>lo siento locklace, I guess I was wrong
13:39<sney>better ban everyone
13:40<taniap>como se utiliza estooo
13:40<adb>!ops taniap | elenacs spam
13:40<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: taniap | elenacs spam
13:40<sney>also I don't know how to make your thing work
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13:42*bja sees how the channel suddenly becomes on-topic
13:42<ranix>ran out of material from biggotry and high-school spanish
13:42<ranix>and wanted to end on a bang with special characters
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13:47<stuckey>How do I sort files/folders in a directory by the most recently created/modified?
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13:47<locklace>stuckey: ls -lt
13:48<themill>stuckey: man ls
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13:51<MyWifeIs19>when I issue "genisoimage -o img.iso /somedirectory" command the whole system seems to freeze for about 5 seconds. Why?
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13:52<locklace>MyWifeIs19: how are you determining that "the whole system" freezes. are you in x? if so can you move the mouse? what happens if you try from a text vt?
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13:55<MyWifeIs19>locklace, everything stops (except for mouse), the clock does not update, conky does not update, "top" prog stops etc. I can move the mouse but it cannot "pick up" a window etc
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13:56<locklace>MyWifeIs19: try it from a console vt. see if you can change to other vts, log in, run top, etc. while it's going on
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13:56<bremner>MyWifeIs19: or run it from a text vt to start with
13:56<bremner>err, I guess locklace said that
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13:57<MyWifeIs19>locklace, bremner : basically you want me to eliminate X as possible culprit, right?
13:57<bja>Why would someone have 3 nicks on one channel at the same time?
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13:58<sney>looks like more than 3
13:59<ml|>for logging purposes?
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13:59<craigevil>they are evil bots spying for Homeland security to nail those linux subversives
14:00<sney>they were the guys spamming spanish a few minutes ago. I guess they were "trolls"
14:00<sney>or maybe it's a lan
14:01<ml|>yeah trolls like to do that
14:01<bja>and its time to leave
14:01<bja>sney that sound more like it
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14:03<bja>sney: 18:00 in Spain time to leave the office
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14:03<sney>despues de SIESTA
14:03<sney>I installed my system and set the locale to es, and now it takes a nap every afternoon!
14:03<bja>naa Antes de Tapas
14:04<bja>goes to the bar every other day?
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14:05<simNIX>I would like to have nap buld in
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14:06<marcot>Hello, what's libc6-pic?
14:07<phorce1>marcot: apt-cache show libc6-pic
14:07<marcot>What's the difference with the usual libc6? I read the description of the package, but I could not understand the difference.
14:07<marcot>I tried searching about PIC, but could not find anything.
14:07<bja>simNIX: I believe in Ecuador they close every store from 12:00 hrs to 14:00 hrs because the heat is unbearable
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14:07<marcot>If someone can provide a link about the subject.
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14:09<simNIX>marcot, PIC is a lot of used word so I imagine hard to google - I would try and sourceforge and search there for maybe more suited restults - also ther's
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14:10<phorce1>It's a subset of the full libc6 to be used when space is at a premium (like for boot floppies). WAAAYYYY too many links in google, you'll have to pick through them yourself
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14:11<marcot>phorce1: I could find a lot of links about other things, or about the state of glibc-pic packages in a some distributions..
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14:12<phorce1>might want to re-ask your question on the debian-user email list. Wider audience to respond
14:13<bja>marcot: I've come to terms with google puting linux at the end of the searching phrase
14:13<simNIX>bja if on al searches should be Linux specific
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14:17<tp43>hey guys, I have a problem. I am not too sure, cause I never run windows long enough, but I'd swear the the bottom area under my touchpad of my thinkpad get really hot in debian, and not so hot in Windows
14:18<tp43>any experienced anything similar
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14:20<drakeman>hey Slurb how are u, today i try my usb in my windows xp machine in my work, and for now everything works fine.
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14:21<Slurb>thats great to hear. im glad
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14:21<ml|>!congratulate drakeman
14:21<dpkg>Huzzah drakeman, you did it!
14:22<drakeman>ml|, hehehe... thanks, and thanks Slurb for your patience yesterday !
14:22<compgrokker>tp43: depending on what i'm doing, i've noticed the touchpad gets hot regardless of OS
14:22<Slurb>thats what im here for
14:23<ml|>dpkg: tell drakeman about u
14:23<tp43>compgrokker, hmm, your probably right. But I have never noticed it get so hot with windows, but I never really use windows to find out.
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14:23<bja>ml|: don't waste your time, drakeman will never learn :)
14:23<drakeman>Slurb, ml| and for my other question to run commands without using sudo, i create a file .bash_aliases and i put the commands there...
14:23<ml|>bja: oh hehe
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14:24<compgrokker>tp43: ah i'd use windows just as intensively as i use linux, and actually i've found that out of windows and all the linux distros i've tried, debian runs coolest
14:24<gaara>can someone tell me why my pidgin is being blocked by squid in its default configuration?
14:24<ml|>drakeman: don't use sudo then
14:24<drakeman>bja, hey dont say that, i dont have much time using linux, and i feel that i already learn many things, in fact many times i helped people here. and in another debian channels.
14:24<dr|z3d>drakeman: bash aliases will still require sudo or equivalent, unless you're running them as root.
14:24<ml|>gaara: it's a but i beleive check bts
14:24<bja>drakeman: ml| got the message that i was joking :)
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14:25<drakeman>dr|z3d, i know, but for example before to run ifconfig with my user i had two choices 1. sudo ifconfig, 2. /sbin/ifconfig, now just using the alias for ifconfig, i just have to typed ifconfig to see the information i need..
14:25<tp43>compgrokker, what kind of laptop you got? I have thinkpad t43
14:25<drakeman>dr|z3d, i know that i need sudo for administrative things.
14:26<compgrokker>tp43: hp dv9000
14:26<gaara>ml: but?
14:26<dr|z3d>drakeman: Okeydoke. As long as you're clear on that, all's good :)
14:26<gaara>ml: bts?
14:26<ml|>drakeman: you don't have to use sudo
14:26<tp43>compgrokker, I am gonna buy hp next time
14:26<ml|>dpkg: tell gaara anout bts
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14:26<ml|>dpkg: tell gaara about bts
14:26<compgrokker>tp43: get a toshiba, they're better
14:27<drakeman>ml|, no, but the way to do it without sudo before was /sbin/ifconfig, now i just have to type ifconfig and i get the info.
14:27<drakeman>dr|z3d, yes im clear on that. thanks.
14:27<compgrokker>tp43: i wanted a toshiba, but they were sold out
14:27<tp43>compgrokker, actually yeah, that was my first choice
14:27<dr|z3d>drakeman: There's also "sudo su" which can be useful.
14:27<drakeman>dr|z3d, yes, thanks!!!!
14:27<Hydroxide>or just sudo -s or sudo -i
14:27<gaara>ml: well isnt the default bts bugzilla?
14:28<ml|>not for debian
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14:28<gaara>oh okie
14:28<Hydroxide>debian uses debbugs, which is its own
14:28<bremner>!slap bugzilla
14:28*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across bugzilla's face
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14:28<Hydroxide>it has the nice feature that you can use email to interact with it and the extremely nice feature that you don't need to create an account
14:29<ml|>yup bts is great
14:29<ml|>drakeman: what are you trying to do i don't get it
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14:31<drakeman>ml|, no, just run programs like ifconfig without put the /sbin/ifconfig (the complete path), i use alias just to write ifconfig for example and get the info.
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14:31<drakeman>ml|, programs that doesnt need sudo to run.
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14:37<ml|>drakeman: you can also add /sbin/ to your PATH
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14:38<drakeman>ml|, ehhh, right.... but if i write $PATH: and the new path, when i close the bash window, when i open it again, it have to do it again.
14:38<drakeman>ml|, dont know how to doit permanently
14:38<ml|>add it to your bashrc
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14:42<drakeman>ml|, going to check it.....
14:42<drakeman>ml|, thanks.
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14:44<Black_Phantom>Hello guys, my sources.list is mixed up and i get errors when i use apt-get update, what to do :S ?
14:45<adb>un mixed them
14:46<adb>or reinstall ...
14:46<ml|>drakeman: np, i think you need to add it to .bash_profile instead don't remember
14:46<ml|>but try bashrc first i guess
14:46<kapil>Black_Phantom: check /usr/share/doc/apt/examples for an example sources.list file
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14:46<locklace>has Black_Phantom hosed his system?
14:46<dpkg>without a doubt
14:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 392] by debhelper
14:47<locklace>that's it then. hope you have an installer cd handy.
14:47<drakeman>ml|, yes, cause in bashrc dont see any PATH line... let me check the ./_profiel
14:47<dr|z3d>Ignore locklace, Black_Phantom, he's having a funny five minutes.
14:47<ml|>drakeman: .bash_profile
14:47<drakeman>ml|, ooo, i dont have a .bash_profile file
14:47<Stathol>If you've been editing sources.lst by hand, you might look for a backup copy (ex. sources.lst~)
14:48<drakeman>just bashrc, bash_logout
14:48<drakeman>ml|, and bash_aliases maded for me.
14:48<ml|>drakeman: make it
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14:48<drakeman>ml|, the bash_profile needs any special syntax?.
14:48<ml|>always is a make backups of system files
14:49<locklace>dr|z3d: do you want to engage in a gentleman's wager on whether his system is hosed?
14:49<ml|>before editing them
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14:49<ml|>drakeman: not that i know of you would need ... PATH=$PATH:/sbin
14:50<drakeman>ml|, let me see.. going to try.
14:50<ml|>then source .bash_profile and echo $PATH
14:51<bja>Black_Phantom: your system is indeed hosed, be patient and you will get it un-hosed
14:51<ml|>locklace: and you know it is?
14:51<melkart>how can i obtain a list of all backported packages available in the lenny-backports repository? (from
14:52<dr|z3d>locklace: No. :P
14:52<locklace>all right then.
14:52<simark>Hi, I just had this problem for the second time with gnome: when windows are maximized, they are not affected by the toolbar (for example : The title bar is hidden under the top toolbar and the status bar of firefox is hidden under the bottom toolbar. Anyone had this problem before?
14:53<dr|z3d>simark: Issue with openbox, I think. Known.
14:53<bja>Black_Phantom: set your sources.list straight and try to make a release update
14:53<drakeman>ml|, i have a profile file in /etc/, can i modify that one too., but this is a profile for wide system.. i guess..
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14:54<simark>dr|z3d: was it caused by a recent update?
14:54<ml|>drakeman: right that is system wide best just to make one for you
14:55<simark>dr|z3d: actually, openbox isn't installed on my system
14:56<dr|z3d>simark: Hmmkay. Might also affect other window managers.. yours, it sounds like. I only have circumstantial reports to go on, nothing substantive.
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14:56<craigevil>simark: its a metacity bug, if your on testing upgrade it to the version in sid
14:56<simark>Ok, thanks
14:56<dr|z3d>Metacity. There we go.
14:57<dr|z3d>I probably meant metacity, not openbox. My bad.
14:57<simark>Oh, that makes more sense :P
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14:59<woocyfear>i have a question
15:00<woocyfear>can somebody help me?
15:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:00<woocyfear>i would like to install debian lenny i386
15:00<woocyfear>on my laptop
15:01<drakeman>ml|, i think its working now, i just creat .bash_profile and put PATH=$PATH:/sbin and i rename the aliases fiels, login again and is working :D
15:01<woocyfear>1100MHz 256MB
15:01<woocyfear>120GB HDD
15:01<woocyfear>But I don't have DVD ROM
15:01<ml|>drakeman: good
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15:02<woocyfear>I have another machine
15:02<woocyfear>it has dvd rom
15:02<drakeman>ml|, no i learn something new :d step by step, and thanks again, you almos always save me, and when you dont, is because you are not in the channel, hehehe
15:02<ml|>drakeman: np, we all learn here
15:03<drakeman>ml|, thanks.
15:03<woocyfear>can i start the installation on my computer which has dvd rom, and continue on my laptop?
15:03<kapil>woocyfear: if your question is "can i install debian from a dvd rom which is not on the machine i am installing from?" then the likely answer is "no!"
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15:04<kapil>(at least not without some hardware/software jugglery!)
15:04<woocyfear>then how can i?
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15:04<drakeman>ml|, how many time you have using debian? or linux...
15:05<woocyfear>on my server more times\
15:05<woocyfear>that is debian 4
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15:06<ml|>drakeman: on and off really, being a while tho don't remember exactly
15:07<ml|>maybe in 1997 or so
15:07<woocyfear>somebody help me please
15:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:08<drakeman>ml|, because i always be a windows guys, even in my work i give support to MS machines! but now usins debian, wow, so many differentes things to learn, and really interesting.. just tell u that when i use windows before i only use it for messenger, now when i go home using debian im always reading about how to do things and when i made something with or without help is awesome :D
15:08<drakeman>bja, you are mean
15:08<kapil>woocyfear: can your laptop boot from usb?
15:08<parashio>woocyfear: install from usb or windows loader
15:08<woocyfear>unfortunaly no
15:08<woocyfear>the only way is the other machine\
15:09<parashio>no windows?
15:09<woocyfear>empty Hdd
15:09*bja goes for his black eye-pathc
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15:09<kapil>woocyfear: you have no way to boot the machine?
15:10<woocyfear>from HDD
15:10<kapil>but i thought the hdd is empty!
15:10<ml|>drakeman: good we all started somewhere and will never learn everything ;)
15:11<woocyfear>but i have another pc
15:11<woocyfear>it has dvd rom
15:11<drakeman>ml|, thats right!
15:11<woocyfear>i put the laptop's hdd into it
15:11<woocyfear>and i installed debian
15:11<drakeman>ml|, my goal is to be a linux server admin.
15:11<kapil>so far so good.
15:12<woocyfear>but not starting
15:12<woocyfear>only grub
15:12<locklace>!space bar
15:12<dpkg>The space bar is the correct way to separate connected sentences on IRC. Please use it. The Return/Enter key is not a substitute.
15:13<kapil>perhaps the grub menu.lst is a bit muddled. do you get a grub prompt?
15:13<parashio>you may have to fix the grub boot line
15:13<cahoot>the space between space and bar is intentional?
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15:13<kapil>what was the partitioning that you chose during installation?
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15:14<woocyfear>i have 20 GB ext3 and 1 GB swap
15:14<kapil>in particular, what was the root device? /dev/hda1?
15:14<ml|>might need to change /dev/sda to /dev/hda
15:14<drakeman>ml|, you know what i notice, that now, with the bash_profile file, i lost the color prompt, now everything is white text and black background.
15:14<woocyfear>hd0, but i'm not sure
15:15<woocyfear>is it possible?
15:15<kapil>try "root (hd0,0)" on the grub prompt
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15:15<woocyfear>grub promt?
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15:16<woocyfear>there is two choice
15:16<kapil>which are?
15:16<ml|>drakeman: hmm, dunno did you logout back in?
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15:16<drakeman>ml|, yes, maybe i have to add the lines for color in the same bash_profile.
15:16<woocyfear>two debian, one is single user mode, other is normal
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15:17<woocyfear>or i press c button
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15:17<kapil>ok. so you are better off than i thought! give "e" to edit the command line
15:18<kapil>as ml| said you probably have to change the root device in the boot command line.
15:19<woocyfear>press b?
15:19<ml|>drakeman: you should not have to
15:19<drakeman>ml|, mm but dont know, let me reverse the changes and try
15:20<kapil>woocyfear: what happens if you press "b"?
15:20<woocyfear>there is 3 choice
15:20<woocyfear>root, kernel, initrd
15:20<drakeman>ml|, when i remove the bash_profile, i get the colors again!
15:20<kapil>go to the kernel line and edit it with "e".
15:21<drakeman>ml|, when i put again the bash_profile everything is black and white.
15:21<kapil>it will have a root= entry which you need to give the correct root device.
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15:22<woocyfear>now the end of line is /dev/hda 1 ro
15:22<ml|>drakeman: try addind export in front of command in .bash_profile
15:22<kapil>it should probably be "/dev/hda1 ro" or if that does not work try "/dev/sda1 ro"
15:23<drakeman>ml|, export where? before the line i added? something like export PATH=$PATH:/sbin ???
15:23<ml|>drakeman: right
15:23<drakeman>ml|, ok, let me see.
15:23<woocyfear>at the root on the previous screen was hd0,0
15:23<kapil>not to worrk. that was for "grub", this is for the linux kernel.
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15:24<drakeman>ml|, nothing
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15:24<ml|>same thing?
15:25<woocyfear>sda1 not good
15:25<woocyfear>it freezing again
15:25<kapil>woocyfear: what about /dev/hda1?
15:25<woocyfear>at witing for root file system
15:25<drakeman>ml|, yes.
15:25<woocyfear>the same
15:26<woocyfear>but mounting root file system is ok
15:27<woocyfear>then the next is waiting fo root file system is wainting forever
15:27<kapil>woocyfear: it mounted the root file system?
15:27<ml|>drakeman: ok undo the changes and just try the export command
15:27<ml|>and see if colors go away that wat too
15:28<woocyfear>Marking TSC unstable
15:28<woocyfear>i got this answer
15:28<woocyfear>not for export
15:28<woocyfear>for waiting
15:29<adb>!tell woocyfear about enter
15:29<kapil>it is possible that your "/etc/fstab" has the wrong entries. you may have to boot /dev/hda1 with the additional parameter "init=/bin/sh" and fix that.
15:30<woocyfear>how can i do that?
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15:31<ml|>kapil: sounds right since he installed it on another machine
15:32<kapil>woocyfear: add " init=/bin/sh" at the end of the kernel command line.
15:32<b39inn3r>hola alguien me puede decir como entrar en el canal debian -es please
15:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:33<b39inn3r>ok dpkg gracias muchas gracias
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15:33<woocyfear>i added and i got the same answer
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15:33<woocyfear>i pressed 'b'
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15:34<drakeman>ml|, dont understand, you say that i have to delete the line i wrote to the path, and just write export. ?
15:34<drakeman>ml|, to see if i have the colors only with export in the bash_profile.
15:35<woocyfear>no dock device found
15:35<ml|>drakeman: like you did before undo changes and a terminal just type export PATH=$PATH:/sbin and see if you lose color again
15:35<drakeman>ml, ok.
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15:37<woocyfear>dev/hda1 doesn't exists. Dropping to a shell
15:37<woocyfear>and now i see (initramfs)
15:37<drakeman>ml|, i dont loose the colors because if y restart the shell, then i loose the path too, because remember that im connected trough ssh.
15:37<kapil>woocyfear: at least got a shell!
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15:38<ml|>drakeman: don't understand
15:38<woocyfear>and now?
15:39<kapil>check what disks are listed in /dev/disk/by-path/
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15:39<kapil>that should tell you what disk you need to boot (if any can be found!)
15:40<ml|>and to edit /etc/fstab
15:40<kapil>and probably also /boot/grub/menu.lst
15:41<drakeman>ml|, ok, i deleted the bash_profile file, ok, then i write in the shel export PATH=$PATH:/sbin, obviously i added the /sbin to my path, but to see the changes, i have to reconnect again to my machine, but when i do that, i lost the path again, because it only works to modify the path temporaly.
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15:41<ml|>ah this through ssh didn't know that
15:42<drakeman>ml|, yes, to simulate the new session i finish the current ssh connection and then open another, ...
15:42<woocyfear>i got : /dev - permission denied; /dev/disk - not found
15:42<ComradeHaz>Hi all, if I'm using a system that is pinned to testing but want to be able to occasioanlly grab stuff from experimental and unstable, do I need to put all the sources ie hhtp://blah/debian stable as well as testing etc etc?
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15:43<ml|>drakeman: got it dunno why you lose color support
15:44<woocyfear>what now?
15:44<woocyfear>etc/fstab is empty
15:44<kapil>woocyfear: looks like your disk is not recognised by the kernel so I don't know what can be done
15:45<drakeman>ml|, , dont know, thats why i asked you before if i have to add any line for colors in .bash_profile, just like the lines for color in .bashrc
15:45<woocyfear>i try to install again, on other machine? but how then?
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15:45<ml|>drakeman: can't hurt to try i suppose
15:45<kapil>you should first make sure that you can boot that disk on the other machine.
15:46<woocyfear>what if i can't?
15:46<ml|>woocyfear: if you try to reinstall make sure to disconnect all other hard drives
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15:47<kapil>that's a good suggestion from ml|
15:48<woocyfear>is it possible, that the problem is my laptop is 1100MHz Duron and the other Pc is 4200+ dual core?
15:48<ml|>ComradeHaz: you are intesting?
15:48<ComradeHaz>well, kind of
15:48<kapil>woocyfear: not if you are using the i686 installation.
15:48<ComradeHaz>I've now pinned to testing, yes
15:48<ComradeHaz>(using default-release
15:49<woocyfear>i installed i386 distrib
15:49<ml|>and you want to grab stuff from sid?
15:49<adb>woocyfear: are some raid installation involved ?
15:49<kapil>woocyfear: that should be ok.
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15:50<ml|>woocyfear: that should be ok, but disconnect any other hdd in installing machine to avoid problems
15:50<woocyfear>i didn't installed packages, it's problem?
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15:50<ml|>no base install is good enouf
15:51<adb> packages .. as grub ?
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15:51<woocyfear>grub installed, and base system
15:51<Zviper>how do i upgrade ext4 from ext3 with a 2.6.27 kernel? is it possible?
15:51<kapil>adb: he has grub working
15:51<Zviper>upgrade to**
15:52<locklace>Zviper: don't
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15:52<ml|>Zviper: i think you need .30 kernel, but ext4 is not completly ready
15:52<woocyfear>any idea?
15:52<locklace>you can use it with earlier kernels, but it more or less amounts to playing russian roulette with your drive
15:53*kapil sees ted ts'o sharpening daggers to poke ml| with :-)
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15:53<ml|>ouch why?
15:53<locklace>being on the bleeding edge of development is great for many things. filesystems are not among those things.
15:53<Zviper>well ext4 provides faster sequential writing which i need for what im doing :\
15:54<ml|>yeah if you care about your data
15:54<kapil>01:22 < ml|> ... , but ext4 is not completly ready
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15:54<kapil>ml|: ^ that's why!
15:54<dr|z3d>Zviper: You won't get a full conversion; you need to install from scratch to get the full benefits of ext4.
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15:54<locklace>Zviper: ok. you can get fucking great sequential write performance if you don't might total unrecoverable data corruption
15:54<woocyfear>what i did wrong?\
15:54<adb>woocyfear: are some raid installation involved ?
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15:55<adb>woocyfear: what kind of machine it is ?
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15:55<Zviper>hmm, what would you recommend for faster sequential writing performance?
15:55<woocyfear>laptop is 100MHz Duron 256MB ram and 120GB HDD
15:55<dr|z3d>Zviper: An SSD.
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15:56<drakeman>ml|, or the other option is keep with bash_aliases insted bash_profile
15:56<woocyfear>other is 4200+ 5GB ram
15:56<adb>5GB ram on 100MHz Duron ?
15:56<ml|>drakeman: yes, didn't that it would mess up color support
15:56<drakeman>ml|, but is better the bash_profile way because i add the sbin with all commands inside
15:56<kapil>adb: woocyfear is installing on a different system and shifting the hard disk to the laptop. it then does not boot.
15:56<adb>oh ..
15:56<drakeman>ml|, because with bash_aliases, i have to enter command by by one.
15:57<ml|>drakeman: yes, but you will still need root powers for some
15:57<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode> and <dual boot guide>.
15:57<drakeman>ml|, yes i now that, but for ifconfig just display info, for mkfs i dont need sudo or root.
15:57<adb>woocyfear: ^^
15:57<Zviper>dr|z3d: im working with a server, i don't have physical access to it
15:58<ml|>drakeman: right how many commands are we talking about?
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15:58<jemark>hi all, i have a problem with the fonts in swiftfox 3.5 (firefox 3.5) in debian testing
15:58<jemark>they are not anti aliased
15:58<drakeman>ml|, not many, just afew, the other is modify the path for the system wide.
15:59<drakeman>ml in .bashrc.
15:59<dr|z3d>jemark: Turned on sub-pixel anti-aliasing in your window manager?
15:59<locklace>Zviper: you can use ext4 if you really want to, but upgrade to .30 if you want any hope of data integrity, and accept the risks of participating in active filesystem development
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16:00<jemark>dr|z3d, yes, I did. I have very good fonts in iceweasel
16:01<Zviper>well if there is an easier way to improve sequential writing, im open to it. im running multiple clients which constantly write and read from the disk in multiple location
16:01<ml|>drakeman: if it's just a few aliases is a better way to go, just prefix them with 'a' like aifconfig or ifconfiga
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16:01<locklace>Zviper: large files or small?
16:01<drakeman>ml|, , ok, but now i have the doubt whty the colors dont work, jejej, for a while im going to keep the bash_aliases but im gonna find why dont have colors when i use .bash_profile
16:02<Zviper>locklace: mainly large, but small files do appear every so often
16:02<ml|>drakeman: one other thing to try is to add export command to /etc/profile
16:02<Zviper>locklace: actually nevermind, they are mainly small, but many of them
16:02<drakeman>just the export alone? in the last line of the file?
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16:02<drakeman>ml, just the export alone? in the last line of the file?
16:02<jemark>dr|z3d, wanna see a screenshot of my current fonts?
16:02<ml|>drakeman: no like with bash_profile
16:03<Zviper>locklace: they usually consist of compressed files
16:03<drakeman>ml|, ok. can try that.
16:03<ml|>drakeman: i'll try to see why that happens too would like to know
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16:04<locklace>Zviper: then what makes you think you're even doing any significant amount of sequential writing
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16:05<Zviper>perhaps my definition of sequential writing is wrong
16:05<Gibbers69>hi. if i need help with something on debian, is this the place to ask?
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16:06<drakeman>ml|, doiing it right now...
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16:07<locklace>Zviper: my suggestion, see if you can condense your use-case into a simple test, then test it on a couple of different fs types. jfs or xfs might work out for you
16:07<drakeman>ml|, hey the .bashrc files had some lines for enable color support to ls.... command, mmm maybe if i paste that lines...
16:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:09<ml|>drakeman: another thing you can do is export when connecting to remote machine
16:09<Zviper>locklace: hmm im looking at gparted and under features it says that jfs and xfs are only detectable, not writable or readable or anything else..
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16:09<drakeman>ml|, dont understand, how i do that.
16:10<ml|>dpkg: tell Gibbers69 about selftell
16:10<ml|>drakeman: what do you use now to connect?
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16:10<drakeman>putty inside windows.
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16:11<drakeman>ml|, putty inside windows...
16:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:11<ml|>oh, do you just conect or use scp sometimes?
16:11<locklace>Zviper: if you have the jfs kernel module (modprobe -l | grep jfs) then "aptitude install jfsutils" and you can use jfs. same with xfs and "xfsprogs"
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16:12<drakeman>ml|, to transfer files i use filezilla inside windows two, using sftp
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16:13<Zviper>FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/ No such file or directory -- when doing modprobe -l |grep jfs
16:13<Gibbers69>ok here goes... i'm a newbie to debian. i have debian 5. i'm trying to setup my wireless network card. i'm trying to install b43-fwcutter. only thing is the pc i'm setting it up on doesn't have an internet connection - and this computer is connected through a usb dongle. is there anyway i can install b43-fwcutter offline?
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16:14<locklace>Zviper: what the hell kernel is that and where did it come from
16:15<locklace>Gibbers69: just download the .deb file, copy it over and install it with dpkg -i
16:16<Gibbers69>locklace: that didn't work. it loked like it was trying to access the internet
16:16<drakeman>ml|, fixed.
16:16<Zviper>locklace: im not sure, it's a ready made image provided by OVH
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16:16<locklace>Zviper: so what you're saying is, you're not using debian
16:16<Zviper>i am
16:16<Zviper>debian lenny 5.0
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16:17<locklace>lenny does not have a kernel called "", as far as i know
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16:18<drakeman>ml|, mi bash_ profile file with dir colors support is this
16:18<locklace>Gibbers69: paste the output of the dpkg -i
16:18<drakeman>ml|, in that way i get the colors!
16:18<locklace>!tell Gibbers69 about paste
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16:18<drakeman>ml|, what do you think? is fine in that way?
16:19<Zviper>it must be OVH's pre-made kernal used for their servers
16:19<ml|>drakeman: that is from bashrc?
16:19<Zviper>when installing an os with OVH they give the options on what OS to install, i chose debian lenny 5.0
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16:19<drakeman>ml|, yes i take it from there xD
16:20<ml|>drakeman: yes that should be fine, though you had tried that when i asked before
16:20<drakeman>ml|, no no, didnt try it before... xD
16:20<drakeman>ml|, thanks! :D
16:20<ml|>drakeman: glad it's working :)
16:21<Nazcafan>Is it possible to have an openjdk plugin for iceweasel?
16:21<drakeman>ml|, me too, :D:D:D
16:21<locklace>Zviper: no idea what ovh is, but whatever it is, it has a different kernel than lenny and who knows what other differences. so you're not using debian
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16:22<Zviper>OVH is a company which sells dedicated servers
16:22<locklace>!tell Nazcafan about install java
16:23<drakeman>!congrate drakeman
16:23<craigevil>Nazcafan: if your using testing or sid there is icedtea6-plugin
16:23<drakeman>!congratulations drakeman
16:23<drakeman>i dont know the commands for that both
16:23<Zviper>!congratulate drakeman
16:23<dpkg>Yay drakeman, you did it!
16:23<drakeman>i just know the .!es
16:23<ml|>dpkg: tell drakeman about dpkggot
16:23<ml|>dpkg: tell drakeman about dpkgbot
16:23<Nazcafan>locklace: I have icedtea-plugin and icedtea-gcjwebplugin installed, but I still can not run any Java applet
16:24<ml|>dpkg: is slow sometimes
16:24<dpkg>ml|: i don't know
16:24<Nazcafan>locklace: craigevil plus the Java plugin doesn't show up in the list of iceweasel plug ins
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16:26<Gibbers69>locklace: i've just put the screenshot up on
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16:27<drakeman>ml|, sorry, i use it in spanish language when you try to do something and didnt work, ...
16:28<drakeman>ml|, now you now the reason why i didnt explain me well sometimes, because i just know a little of english :D not so much...
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16:28<drakeman>ml|, i have limited words xD
16:28<ml|>drakeman: yes makes sense now, but you do ok most of time ;)
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16:29<ml|>#debian-es does not help?
16:30<bja>ml|: we are trying to get rid of drakeman from #debian-es but he is very persistent
16:30<locklace>Gibbers69: ok. i guess it wants to retrieve some files that couldn't be put in the package itself for licencing reasons. you might have to look at the package postinst script, get the files you need, and modify the script to tell it where to find them. kind of a pain
16:30<drakeman>ml|, hehehe, thanks. yes i always there too, but sometimes i get the answer here first, more people here than there, it just that sometimes is hard to me to explain a problem, i have to thinkg to choose other words to explain something, but i can understand well, i understand everyghint my problem is when i try to explain :D
16:30<drakeman>bja, :(
16:30<ml|>bja: hah
16:30<ml|>drakeman: he is jk
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16:31<Gibbers69>thanks locklace
16:31<drakeman>ml|, in #debian-es i always get help from arw, bja, and a few others....
16:31<drakeman>ml what is jk?
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16:32<bja>ml|: by now he nows what jk is :)
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16:32<ml|>bja: heh btw the kde livecd didn't burn right, think it's a sign ;)
16:32<drakeman>ml|, thanks :D
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16:33<bja>ml|: The gods are giving you foreseeing signs :)
16:33<ml|>yeah ;)
16:34<drakeman>ml|, i like kde but is slow in my 2gbram machin with amd athlon 64 3500+ processor, dont know why..
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16:35<ml|>drakeman: kde user?
16:35<ml|>shouldn't be slow with your specs
16:35<Nazcafan>locklace: drakeman uninstalling and then reinstalling the iced tea plugin package solved the issue
16:35<Nazcafan>that is kind of weird
16:36<ml|>computers are weird like that
16:36<drakeman>ml|, i use gnoem
16:36<drakeman>ml|, sorry, gnome.
16:36<bja>Nazcafan: sometimes there is an order to install things or else they don't work right
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16:36<drakeman>Nazcafan, ???????????
16:36<Nazcafan>bja: I thought that apt was designed to respect the order
16:37<Nazcafan>drakeman: as I told you, I purged the package and reinstalled it and the plugin showed up in the list
16:37<bja>Nazcafan: people are not perfect and make mistakes, thats why program have bugs
16:38<drakeman>Nazcafan, but wht plugin? i dont know what plugin you are saying? to do what_
16:38<Nazcafan>drakeman: sorry, it is a mystake, I mistook you for craigevil
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16:39<Nazcafan>bja: I agree with you but debian AIMS perfection
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16:39<Nazcafan>bja: you are getting a little bit too philosophical to my poor skills anyway
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16:40<drakeman>Nazcafan, ohh ohh, i was confused, hehe thanks.
16:40<bja>Nazcafan: everyone aims perfection, although its elusive
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16:40<bja>Nazcafan: Never mind, my 5 sec of enlightment
16:40<Nazcafan>!ggl wordrefernce elusive
16:40<Nazcafan>ah, no bot
16:40<ml|>bja: so tue ;P
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16:41<leikh>I'm using a firewall-script ( and are trying to block an ip address, but it's not working. Where in the script do I put this rule?
16:41<simNIX>on Debian Lenny removing nagios base with aptitude I get:
16:41<Nazcafan>bja: isn't debian stable the definition for perfection?
16:41<simNIX>/var/lib/dpkg/info/nagios3-common.prerm: line 23: syntax error near unexpected token `fi'
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16:42<simNIX>how best to proceed ? can't add any software bacouse of this ..
16:42<locklace>simNIX: check the bts
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16:42<simNIX>bts ?
16:42<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
16:42<simNIX>k - ty
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16:42<locklace>either your package metadata is corrupted or there's a really stupid bug in the nagios package
16:43<simNIX>is there a way to regenerate metadata ir is that defined somewhere ?
16:43<Nazcafan>the only thing I really grump about debian is the reportbug software that is barely usable
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16:44<Nazcafan>I hate writing a bug report only to get a crash when I click on send and not knowing whether the bugreport was sent or not
16:45<locklace>simNIX: you can try debsums, not sure if it checks package metadata too or only data. other option is just to get the .deb file, extract it somewhere, and compare the prerm script with the one on your system using your favourite compare tool
16:45<Nazcafan>the reportbug tool is critical for a community based distro such as debian, therefore, it should be above reproach and rock solid
16:46<locklace>simNIX: however,
16:46<locklace>!dbugs 519341
16:46<dpkg>DONE:#519341:S[nagios3-common] nagios3-common: missing "then" in nagios3-common.prerm (); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:18:04 UTC []
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16:48<vimsp>hi, how can I reconfigure X11config on ubuntu?
16:48<noflash>vimsp, ask in #ubuntu
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16:50<simNIX>locklace, FWIW here I se montion of removal prob but that should be fixed -
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16:52<locklace>simNIX: what version of nagios3-common do you have
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16:53<simNIX>Im just checking - looks one older then the fixed
16:54<simNIX>ill aptitude update
16:54<simNIX>as temp fix I aleady readded common to be able to
16:54<simNIX> this is the one I think
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16:55<mib_31r5b5sm>im doing project on the pidgin, in that one im getting the problem when i clubing the backend to the frontend, can u give me suggestion
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16:58<adb>mib_31r5b5sm: ask /mail pidgin mail list
16:58<adama>we need a lot more information. /msg dpkg ask
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17:00<mib_31r5b5sm>my plugin is search plugin, i have to search the buddies on the basis of string entered in the text entry box when i press the search button
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17:01<mib_31r5b5sm>can you send the link for /mail pidgin mail list
17:01<ml|>or see if there is a irc channel for pidgin
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17:02<adama>mib_31r5b5sm: you know, you can just click in the main window and start typing, and it will search your contact list as you type
17:03<simNIX>hmm this odd; if I aptitude update/safe-upgrade then nagios3-common stays at 3.0.6-3 even with another mirror in sources ? - This whilst acording to I should be since March on 3.0.6-4 - Im on Lenny ... can anyone please see with maybe synaptic orso what version they see as install candidate ?
17:03<mib_31r5b5sm>i am getting the problem when i display my out put in the required text box that is pre defined in my window
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17:04<mib_31r5b5sm>k thnx simnX
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17:05<simNIX>I didnt even help ya :)
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17:05<simNIX>but yw
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17:05<mib_31r5b5sm>but you respond for my question
17:06<ml|>17:02:17 < adama> mib_31r5b5sm: you know, you can just click in the main window and start typing, and it will search your contact list as you type
17:06<simNIX>I more asked / told a prob I have ...
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17:08<simNIX>I think I best open my 1st bug report - I'll 1st try this agian on a fresh Lenny in a vm to see if its reproducable or a fault in my setup
17:08<mib_31r5b5sm>it searching the contacts but im getting the problem when i try to display the search result in my search out put box
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17:09<simNIX>Im willing to help but I have no knowledge there ...
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17:10<mib_31r5b5sm>its ok simNx, thanx for response , i too cant help u
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17:10<simNIX>mib_31r5b5sm, I do spot a #pidgin on
17:11<locklace>judd versions nagios3-common
17:11<judd>locklace: nagios3-common -- sid: 3.0.3-3 etch-backports: 3.0.6-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 3.0.6-3 sid: 3.0.6-3 sid: 3.0.6-4 squeeze: 3.0.6-4
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17:11<mib_31r5b5sm>k sim thanx
17:11<simNIX>tnx for check judd
17:11<locklace>the bug is not fixed in lenny
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17:12<simNIX>I am correct that acording to this this should be at 3.0.6-4 for Lenny ->
17:12<simNIX>not fixed or fixed deb not pushed ?
17:13<locklace>!lart mib_31r5b5sm
17:13*dpkg whips out a sword and chops mib_31r5b5sm in half
17:13<Gibbers69>locklace: hi i got the file i needed from earlier for b43-fwcutter. just wondering, when you said modify the script to tell it where to find the file, what do i use for that?
17:13<simNIX>recomends do try to install nagios if you want to remove it after - thats broken and makes no posiblity to add software till you readd it
17:13<locklace>simNIX: it isn't fixed in lenny. get the -4 version from squeeze/sid if you want and install it with dpkg -i
17:14<simNIX>I in this case wold prefer to uninstall it
17:14<locklace>Gibbers69: a text editor
17:14<simNIX>but thats broke
17:14<locklace>simNIX: then just fix the syntax error yourself in the prerm script and then remove the package
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17:15<simNIX>k - and I think that I best bug report this ?
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17:15<locklace>no, there are already like 8 bug reports for it
17:16<simNIX>k - so Im reading wrongly that there should be a 3.0.6-4 already
17:16<simNIX>in Lenny
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17:16<simNIX>I dont see here specefied what Debian
17:16<simNIX>Ill read it again closer
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17:18<Stathol>This is...weird. I'm screwing around with libvirtd, trying to get it to listen for TCP migrations on an interface that's hooked up to a cross-over cable.
17:18<simNIX>I wonder is it lack of manpower that this is not fixed if its only add a then ?
17:18<Stathol>But after changing the config file, it still refuses connection from the other server.
17:19<Stathol>So I run "netstat -at | grep <port that I told it to listen on>"
17:19<locklace>simNIX: it *is* fixed
17:19<Black_Phantom>When I use 'apt-get build-dep pidgin' it asks me to add sources in sources.list
17:19<Stathol>And I see that it's not even listening.
17:19<Black_Phantom>what to do ? I can't find any
17:19<simNIX>but prob not in Lenny yet is becouse not backported (just trying to grasp)
17:19<Stathol>So I inserted a line of totally illegal syntax into its configuration file, and when I restart the daemon, it doesn't even blink
17:20<Stathol>In fact, it seems to totally ignore everything in /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf
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17:20<Stathol>Even when I manually start it with "/usr/sbin/libvirtd --config <path to config file>"
17:21<locklace>simNIX: only security updates go into lenny, except for some special fixes when point releases happen. that's what "stable" means
17:21<simNIX>even if that brakes posibility to add software after a remove ?
17:22<simNIX>this clearafies it a bit
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17:23<mib_31r5b5sm>what is the gtk command for to print the text in the entrybox
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17:25<Black_Phantom>What is the unstable source for debian archive ? I can't find it
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17:26<mib_31r5b5sm>there are three types are there, they are stable(cant change),unstable(nt over),testing(ok but can do diff types of testings0
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17:27<Black_Phantom>well yeah I want to add the unstable source to sources.list because when I try to use apt-get build-dep pidgin , it asks me to add some sources :/
17:27<simNIX>(nt over) ?
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17:27<Black_Phantom>anybody ?
17:27<mib_31r5b5sm>sid is the unstable in debian
17:28<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
17:28<adb>Black_Phantom: ssb
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17:29<Black_Phantom>What does backported means ?
17:29<dpkg>hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
17:29<ml|>dpkg: tell Black_Phantom about bpo
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17:30<Black_Phantom>I see, and what's the link for the official unstable packages ? from debian archive
17:31<simNIX>for in apt/sources ?
17:31<Black_Phantom>yes in /etc/apt/sources.lis
17:31<simNIX>same line as for instance lenny only change word lenny
17:31<simNIX>(if im not mistaken)
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17:32<ml|>dpkg: tell Black_Phantom about sources.list
17:32<simNIX>to testing or unstable
17:32<Black_Phantom>anyways my goal is to upgrade pidgin to the latest version, when i try to use apt-get build-dep pidgin, it asks me to add sources in sources.list
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17:33<adama>do you have lines that start with deb-src instead of deb?
17:34<Black_Phantom>yes I do
17:34<ml|>but see if it's in bpo
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17:38<Gibbers69>locklace: i've tried open the package with a text editor (vim) but i can't see a reference to the file - it's mostly all random chars. any other suggestions?
17:39<locklace>Gibbers69: i was avoiding giving you the real answer because it translates to "huge pain the arse". let me know if you still want to proceed
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17:40<locklace>you'll need to be somewhat familiar with unix tools and shell scripting
17:41<Gibbers69>afraid not. i'll just go get a cable tomorrow. or try install the usb dongle.
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17:41<locklace>alternatively, maybe someone else here who actually uses b43-fwcutter has a better idea on how to push the install through without any sort of net access
17:41<Black_Phantom>anyone please ? what is the mirror/link for unstable packages for debian archive ?, and am getting errors could not fetch when i enter apt-get update
17:42<locklace>seems kind of dumb to me that any network driver package depends on network access, but that may be unavoidable here for licence reasons
17:42<ComradeHaz>Hi all, if I'm using a system that is pinned to testing but want to be able to occasioanlly grab stuff from experimental and unstable, do I need to put all the sources ie hhtp://blah/debian stable as well as testing etc etc?
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17:42<Gibbers69>yeah it does seem it. i'll try with the usb dongle. thanks for the help anyways
17:43<Gibbers69>bye for now. i suspect i'll be back here again sometime
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17:44<Stathol>Grrr...why is open-iscsi a *build* dependency for libvirt?
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17:50<drakeman>see you later guys, see you ml|
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17:51<drakeman>bja, see you later!
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17:55<mhymn_>Stathol: what do you mean by build dependency? all i know is that aptitude shows there isn't any package that depends on open-iscsi
17:57<ComradeHaz>hmm, locklace, thanks, but I don;t think that quite answers my question....
17:57<Stathol>mhymn_: I was actually using dpkg-buildpackage on the sid libvirt source package, so it might just be a sid thing.
17:57<Stathol>All I know is that when I ran it, it bitched that I didn't have open-iscsi installed :P
17:58<ComradeHaz>what I'm trying to establish is if I need to define in sources stable, testing and unstable repositories from any given source.
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17:58<ml|>ComradeHaz: what release are you on?
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17:59<ComradeHaz>essentially 'default-release' is now set to testing
18:00<ComradeHaz>but right now it's an up to date unstable system
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18:00<ml|>ComradeHaz: then why do you want to add stable testing to sources.list?
18:01<ComradeHaz>I suspect this is what I'm asking.
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18:01<locklace>ComradeHaz: it does answer your question. it tells you what you need to do pinning, and one thing is the sources.list entries for all sources you want to potentially pull from
18:01<ComradeHaz>I actually want the system to gradually become a 'testing' machine
18:02<ml|>downgrading will not be easy gl
18:02<ComradeHaz>I said gradually
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18:04<locklace>!slow-motion train wreck
18:04<ComradeHaz>is this a bad idea?
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18:05<ComradeHaz>why does it matter?
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18:05<locklace>ComradeHaz: just set your sources to testing. in theory, it will become a testing system over time as the package versions in testing eclipse your currently-installed ones
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18:06<ComradeHaz>doesn't setting 'default-release' achieve teh same thing?
18:06<ml|>go right ahead and let know how it goes it might just work
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18:06<locklace>ComradeHaz: simplest tool for the job, is what i say
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18:06<ComradeHaz>but occasionally it might be neccessary to grab an unstable package or two
18:07<ComradeHaz>given that surely it makes sense to leave unstable in the sources
18:07<locklace>do what you like, then
18:07<ComradeHaz>I thought my plan was sound :(
18:07<locklace>it's sound if you know what you're doing
18:08<locklace>or don't mind learning what you're doing at the software equivalent of gunpoint
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18:08<ComradeHaz>it's for my girlfriend who's moving away :D
18:08<locklace>punt her into unstable and wash your hands of it
18:08<locklace>just my view
18:09<ml|>much easier to backup data and reinstall if that's what you want
18:09<ml|>locklace: heh
18:09<ComradeHaz>I have an hour until she leaves.
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18:09<locklace>ask her if she loves you enough to spend the rest of her life in dependency hell
18:10<Stathol>Yeah, I can't imagine how you would go about downgrading an entire system o_O
18:10<ComradeHaz>right, what are non-us packages?
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18:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, non-us is where we placed software previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze or Sid. Ask me about <crypto> and <crypto in main>. Old non-US packages (for slink, potato, woody) are at
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18:18<goodger>huh. just logged out and in with GNOME in squeeze and now metacity is not treating gnome-panel properly; does anyone care to comment?
18:19<ml|>goodger: it's a bug check bts
18:19<goodger>ml|: ta
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18:31<Chrono>guys, if i install something with "make && make install" where should i go to remove it?
18:31<dondelelcaro>Chrono: hopefully it has an uninstall command.
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18:31<goodger>make uninstall is traditional...
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18:31<dondelelcaro>Chrono: if not, let this be a lesson to use dh_make or checkinstall or similar.
18:32<Chrono>but where is the uninstall file
18:32<dondelelcaro>Chrono: there isn't one. the uninstall target of the makefile does it
18:32<goodger>Chrono: you run "make uninstall" from the same directory from which you ran "make install"
18:33<Chrono>ok, if i delete it, ill have to make it again?
18:33<goodger>just make install
18:33<ml|>Chrono: if you can't uninstall it that way try whereis package-name and rm it
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18:34<goodger>but that may well be messy
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18:35<ml|>yes, but better than leaving it
18:36<ml|>Chrono: next time if you do this install to /usr/local/bin/
18:36<Chrono>the program is gnu octave. there is a executable on /usr/bin
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18:37<goodger>oh, and does anyone know why scrollkeeper is showing as missing from squeeze and hence "local/obsolete"?
18:38<goodger>...the most recent upgrade to yelp is also demanding that I remove half of GNOME...
18:39<locklace>remove *all* of it
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18:40<goodger>not particularly helpful
18:40<Chrono>locklace do you use kde?
18:42<locklace>hell no
18:42<Chrono>goodger, if you need the things will be uninstalled copy the packages names and then let the uninstall happen
18:42<themill>judd versions scrollkeeper
18:42<judd>themill: scrollkeeper -- etch: 0.3.14-13 lenny: 0.3.14-16
18:42<themill>goodger: ^^ that would be why
18:43<goodger>themill: yeah, I noticed. trouble is, it is a dependency of about fifty packages on my system ._.
18:43<Chrono>after install it again. Gnome may become much heavy .. some un-useful things
18:43<goodger>Chrono: then reinstalling them will conflict with yelp and require that yelp be removed
18:44<themill>Chrono: is there a reason why you're compiling octave?
18:44<Chrono>when it happen to me i done it, reinstalled all and its all working
18:45<Chrono>and i think the last version will be compatible with qtoctave
18:45<themill>judd versions qtoctave
18:45<judd>themill: qtoctave -- lenny: 0.7.4+dfsg-3 sid: 0.8.1+dfsg-3 squeeze: 0.8.1+dfsg-3
18:46<themill>Since qtoctave is already in debian, I'd assume that the versions of octave already in debian are compatible with it
18:46<Chrono>ok, but QToctave isnot compatible with Octave 3.2
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18:46<Chrono>well there are no variable list
18:46<goodger>jedd versions octave
18:46<Chrono>and some other bugs
18:46<goodger>judd versions octave
18:46<judd>goodger: octave -- etch: 1:2.1.73-13
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18:47<adb>qtoctave - A Qt front-end to Octave
18:47<goodger>was it renamed?
18:47<locklace>judd versions octave3.0
18:47<judd>locklace: octave3.0 -- lenny: 1:3.0.1-6lenny3 squeeze: 1:3.0.5-6 sid: 1:3.0.5-6+b1
18:48<Chrono>judd versions octave3.2
18:48<judd>Chrono: octave3.2 -- sid: 3.2.0-2
18:48<Chrono>well, just on sid, :D
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18:50<Chrono>but now i learned. next time ill make things on checkinstall
18:50<Chrono>there are some gtk based GUI for octave?
18:50<Chrono>that work well
18:51<locklace>why are you using octave anyway
18:51<locklace>to do what kinds of things
18:52<themill>Chrono: rather than messing with things like checkinstall, you're usually better attempting to backport the existing debian package. The less you fight with apt, the happier your life will be.
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18:53<Chrono>but its so interesting do things by the code. I feel alive!! (Compile thing on computer dont better they pergormace?)
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18:54<goodger>not so much that you'd notice
18:54<amphi>Chrono: there's nothing stopping you building debian packages yourself, if you insist
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18:55<Chrono>because on Octave, 1 minute saved on 1 hour is really good
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18:55<Chrono>so much loops
18:55<locklace>but its so interesting do things by the code. I feel alive!! <--- you're going to *love* gentoo.
18:56<Chrono>dont think, i like to do some things by the code. Other i dont care
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18:57<Chrono>like, if i make my gnome by the code, it ll nor be interesting
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18:58<Chrono>kernel compilation gives me enough trouble
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18:59<Chrono>about yesterday i give up. radeon driver uses much CPU
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19:00<enouf>locklace: or LFS :-p
19:01<goodger>I don't believe LFS offers so many opportunities for ricery as gentoo
19:01<Chrono>thats a good question, why radeon driver uses so much CPU (glxgears) while fglrx uses no cpu(glxgears) ?
19:01<goodger>Chrono: because fglrx has hardware-accelerated OpenGL support
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19:01<Chrono>and radeon dont have yet?
19:02<goodger>not to the same extent on your hardware, clearly
19:03<Chrono>humm. cause i use a X1200 , that is legacy. I think radeon will work better, but not...
19:03<goodger>the X1200 is legacy now? good grief
19:04<Chrono>its so bad?
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19:05<Chrono>i think since the card go legacy, the driver code are open
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19:05<goodger>that site doesn't even exist. how pathetic
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19:05<goodger>also, no, the GPU specifications were opened
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19:06<Chrono>well, the driver code must be open. they will not update the legacy.
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19:07<Chrono>they arent losing anything
19:07<goodger>I don't believe they've opened any driver code at all
19:07<Chrono>Nvidia opens?
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19:08<Chrono>ok, make uninstall workwed
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19:09<goodger>nvidia hasn't opened anything so far as I know
19:09<Chrono>so why nvidia cars driver for linux are better?
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19:10<goodger>they are better designed, possibly
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19:10<goodger>their openness or closedness is not generally held to have much to do with their quality
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19:10<bja>Chrono: I don't see a relation between a license and the work behind a program
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19:11<raylu>i'm interested in adding colored output to aptitude. where should i start?
19:12<goodger>perhaps if the nvidia drivers had been written using open-source development processes and practises they would be better, but since they weren't, making them GPL would not have any effect on how good they are
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19:16<Chrono>where is the .deb package made by checkinstall?
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19:18<Chrono>or it just install as a package?
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19:21<bja>raylu: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/<lang>/index.html from the package aptitude-doc-<lang>
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19:24<Chrono>do you know a way to use GPU to compile some packages?
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19:27<raylu>bja: sorry, i should have been a little more clear. i was referring to the non-curses output
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19:29<Chrono>locklace, it compiles C? It must compile a kernel by example?
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19:33<raylu>also, if i intend to write a patch for aptitude, what version of debian should i get? testing or unstable?
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19:34<goodger>judd versions aptitude
19:34<judd>goodger: aptitude -- etch: 0.4.4-4 lenny: sid: squeeze: experimental:
19:34<goodger>raylu: there's your answer
19:35<raylu>so testing is sufficient?
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19:36<goodger>from what I can tell, yes; neither of them has a current aptitude, so you'll need the aptitude trunk independently no matter which you pick, and testing is rather more stable
19:36<ml|>raylu: maybe best to talk to maintainer
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20:02<dimedo>how can i test filesystem latency?
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20:03<raylu>disk latency?
20:04<dimedo>how much time it takes before content delivery starts
20:05<Gathond>dimedo: depends on the circumstances
20:05<raylu>that would be disk latency, and it's difficult to test because of caching
20:06<Gathond>where the data in question is on the disk, how it is distributed and which other processes are asking for disk access
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20:07<dimedo>i'm trying to find out the differences between normal installation, raid1, raid5 and this combined with multiple encryption ciphers
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20:08<dimedo>in both latency and throughput
20:09<dimedo>oftc'Gathond: any idea?
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20:13<abrotman>you want a filesystem benchmark
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20:13<petemc>try and do something, measure the time between when you started doing and when you got a result
20:13<petemc>bingo bango bongo
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20:21<xorgi>hola...alguien que hable español?
20:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:22<dr|z3d>xorgi: /join #debian-es
20:23<dr|z3d>de nada :)
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21:00<bja>dr|z3d: I didn't know you were taking Spanish lessons :)
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21:09<dr|z3d>claro, bja.
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21:09*dr|z3d chuckles.
21:10<bja>I can see it is indeed improving
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21:28<joydark>hello i have just installed lenny
21:28<joydark>and how can i change nautilus to be the default file manager?
21:28<joydark>(it is set to thunar)
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21:29<bja>joydark: its the default on gnome
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21:29<joydark>bja: i know
21:29<joydark>for some reason on this install (on a laptop)
21:29<joydark>thunar is the default
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21:30<joydark>it opens one thunar instance for each folder
21:30<joydark>soo. opening /home/user/folder1
21:30<bremner>what is the simplest command line way to suspend as a non-root user (and without using sudo)
21:30<joydark>is three thunar users
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21:31<joydark>bja: I am running lenny , on a dell d600, with gdm. thunar is the default file manager out of the box.
21:32<bja>joydark: are you running gnome?
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21:36<adb>joydark: ls -al /etc/alternatives/ | grep manager
21:36<bja>adb: merci
21:37<joydark>adb: would ye like a pastebin or a paste?
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21:37<adb>joydark: no just look the link to thunar
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21:39<adb>joydark: found it ?
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21:42<joydark>adb: no I don't
21:42<joydark>this is wierd
21:43<joydark>went to "about"
21:43<joydark>they are both nautilus
21:43<joydark>when I click on a folder
21:43<joydark>a minimalistic instance of a file manager opens
21:43<joydark>no sidebar
21:43<joydark>no top pane
21:43<joydark>just folders
21:44<joydark>each folder you click on
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21:44<joydark>opens another instance of (nautilus)
21:44<joydark>to display said folder. however when I go to apps-> Sys Tools -> File Browser
21:45<joydark>err, the more traditional nautilus opens up, which actually displays folders (inline) it shows mountpoints, etc..
21:47<joydark>I have been through the settings of both (minimalistic "thunar-like" ) vs (default) and I see no differnce in (visible) settings. I have not checked the conf files yet
21:47<adb>as root , update-alternatives --help , and try haw it work
21:47<adb>try understand* how it work
21:48<vvas>he gets nautilus
21:48<vvas>he just gets the "spatial" mode of nautilus
21:48<vvas>hm, can't remember where the option is
21:49<joydark>is this the default option for those that choose "laptop" through the debinst?
21:49<vvas>joydark: here's what i can find:
21:49<vvas>"use gconf-editor and set /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser to true"
21:51<joydark>do these settings take hold immediately, or is an /etc/init.d/gdm restart in order?
21:51<vvas>it should apply immediately
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21:53<joydark>ty vaas. if so, that did not change the behaviour
21:53<joydark>clicking on desktop icons, or going to places -> home still opens it in "spatial" mode
21:55<vvas>hm, weird
21:55<adb> restart gdm ..
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21:56<duraperidol>lets see
21:57<duraperidol>same behaviour
21:57*duraperidol searches for other solutions
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22:07<duraperidol>any other ideas?
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22:22<raylu>aptitude depends on vte.....
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22:29<adb>in lenny ?
22:29<adb>what's vte ?
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22:32<kapil>raylu: you mean aptitude-gtk from experimental
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22:33<raylu>i mean whatever i just checked out from the repo at
22:33<lili_>how can i install gtk2.0-binver-2.10.0???
22:33<lili_>it says no candidate options
22:34<lili_>no candidate packages?
22:35<adb>lili_: running what ?
22:35<lili_>apt-get install ......
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22:36<adb>on lenny ?
22:36<lili_>abd ,it say it is not avaiable..
22:36<adb>on lenny ?
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22:37<lili_>abd,it`s stable version .etch or something..
22:37<adb>judd: versions libgtk2.0-0
22:37<judd>adb: libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 squeeze: 2.16.1-2 sid: 2.16.2-1
22:38<adb>lili_: i'm ADB ..
22:39<adb>stable version is lenny , btw
22:39<lili_>adb,it says libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest
22:39<adb>and ?
22:40<lili_>adb ,done... I should run apt-get -f install ..with no packages followed..
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22:42<lili_>adb ,it just canceled my software install plan....
22:43<adb>good to know
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22:47<lili_>adb, one of my software (linuxqq) says it depends on gtk2.0-binver-2.10.0,which aptitude can`t find .and libgtk2.0-0 already the newest? how can i take care of it...
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22:48<adb>linuxqq is a irc client from cn ?
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22:49<lili_>adb,that`s right...
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22:49<adb>lili_: i remember installed it ones
22:52<adb>hm , is one year ago ..
22:53<lili_>adb,is that a successful task??
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22:54<adb>well it seems that it worked , but only cn locale
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22:55<lili_>adb, is that simplely apt-get install package??
22:56<adb>ah , no
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23:20<raylu>kapil: oh hey, there's a --disable-gtk for configure :P
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23:24<adb>lili_: ping
23:31<lili_>adb,how you install linuxqq
23:31<lili_>adb ,tell me the way
23:32<adb>i installed linuxqq right now on lenny
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23:36<lili_>adb it seems it is not in the aptitude pacakge tree
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23:39<adb>lili_: no need, download .deb from , and use dpkg -i
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23:43<lili_>adb ,yes it go back to the initial problem, it depends on gtk2.0-binver-2.10.0
23:44<adb>lili_: you are on lenny ?
23:44<lili_>adb,any way ,i have no gnome on my system..
23:44<lili_>adb just fvwm
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23:45<adb>lili_: cat /etc/debian_version
23:45<lili_>only 4.0
23:46<adb>oh ,upgrade to lenny than
23:46<lili_>adb , how?
23:47<lili_>just change the debian_version under etc??
23:47<adb>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
23:48<adb>dpkg: tell lili_ about selftell
23:50<adb>lili_: linuxqq wil work great on fvwm too , ons in lenny
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23:51<lili_>adb, yes,i`ll do it...
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