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---Logopened Sat Jun 27 00:00:13 2009
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00:00<zem>how do i change default media player to vlc? i tried prefered aplications but it doesn't seem to change anything
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00:01<chealer>zem: which desktop environment do you use?
00:06<nteon>zem: first select 'set program access and defaults' from the start menu
00:06<nteon>i kid, i kid
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00:06<lili_> !! i can install gtk2.0-binver-2.10.0 now
00:07<lili_>adb is sid the previous version of etch?
00:07<nteon>lili_: sid is the unstable 'distribution'
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00:12<lili_>adb , nteon ,finally ,it works ,thanks for you help...
00:12<adb>you welcome
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00:30<Piratero>hello everyone
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00:30<Piratero>looking to install debian
00:30<dpkg>[netinst] a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>.
00:31<Piratero>moving back to linux
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00:43<raylu>so, i just put squeeze in a virtual machine with no X. i don't feel like installing gnome and downloading 600+MB of packages... is there a metapackage that is a lighter version of gnome?
00:44<raylu>*virtual package
00:44<gsimmons>dpkg: tell raylu -about install gnome
00:45<raylu>thanks, gsimmons
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00:54<drakeman>ml|, good evening man! well almost good morning, hey you know, a weird thing, remember in the afternoon we fix the problem of colors, and in path making the .bash_profile,
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01:05<drakeman>ml|, sleeping?
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01:11<Piratero>how many cd's of 4.0r8 do i need?
01:11<raylu>gsimmons: hm... that didn't come with X or gdm... installing gdm now, hope I'm doing the right thing
01:11<raylu>"that" being gnome-core
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01:14<xemacs4321>Piratero, the 1st one only !
01:14<Piratero>i'm assuming
01:14<Piratero>is latest stable
01:15<k1lumin4t1>anybody using frostwire?
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01:18<gsimmons>raylu: That's fine, only gnome and gnome-desktop-environment depend on gdm in some way IIRC. dpkg did say you'll need to install X.
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01:21<raylu>so, what is the preferred way to add color support to something like aptitude anyway? i imagine there'd be problems with terminals that don't support color and different background colors
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01:29<southernc>anyone know how i can change the size of my / partition without screwing my system, up
01:30<southernc>cause apparentl auto part didnt do a very good job at populating the partitions
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01:44<Piratero>debian has a graphical installer now!
01:44<Piratero>i haven't tried debian in years
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01:47<paggas>can nautilus display metadata for files? e.g. when secondary clicking a file and going to its properties, have a metadata tab with things like author/title for pdf/openoffice files, metadata for audio/video files, etc
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02:27<sylarr>who is in charge of automounting in gnome,here in debian?
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02:44<GoldenHedgehog>Hi folks! During update procedure "kde" metapackage was accidentally removed on my machine. So aptitude treats almost all KDE packages as "installed to meet dependencies, no longer needed" and tries to remove them. How to mark them as manually installed?
02:52<chealer>GoldenHedgehog: you can run # apt-get install foo [...]
02:52<Piratero>oh, this is all alien to me
02:53<Piratero>i guess i've been using freebsd for far too long
02:53<GoldenHedgehog>chealer: omg, there would be tons of packages! is there any better way?
02:53<Piratero>i immediately tried to edit /etc/rc.conf
02:55<chealer>GoldenHedgehog: you could always reinstall kde, or a subset of the problematic packages that depends on the rest of the set, probably the KDE modules metapackages such as kdebase. kde-core would also be a good start.
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02:55<GoldenHedgehog>chealer: thanks for help! I'll try it.
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02:58<zuLu>Anyone awake?
02:59<mhymn>we will see
03:01<zuLu>Hmm, think you can help me?
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03:01<chealer>zuLu: just ask your question
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03:02<zuLu>Alright, I just bought my Gateway LT1000 It has an Atheros Chipset on the wireless card, I installed MadWifi correctly, and did all of that jazz. I even used ndiswrapper but when I look in my Interfaces the device still isn't there.
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03:09<ffws>zuLu: which kernel version?
03:11<zuLu>ffws: I'm not sure I know it's the amd64 architecture.
03:12<ffws>zuLu: newer kernels use ath5k/ath9k for atheros cards
03:12<ffws>no need for madwifi or ndiswrapper
03:13<gsimmons>zuLu: Assuming you have some connectivity to it, can you pastebin the output of "lspci -n" somewhere?
03:13<zuLu>give me one moment to connect to IRC via laptop.
03:14<zuLu>It doesn't even show it in my interfaces.
03:15<ffws>zuLu: did you modprobe the module?
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03:15<ffws>zuLu: what does dmesg tell you?
03:15<zuLu>It didn't put anything out.
03:15<ffws>zuLu: /var/log/messages
03:16<cahoot>why not deliver the pciid as requested?
03:17<ffws>and kernel version ;)
03:17<zuLu>Debian 2.6.26-15lenny3
03:22<Piratero>how do i restart all the network devices?
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03:26<cahoot>Piratero: can try /etc/init.d/networking restart (or possibly stop/start)
03:28<Piratero>i'm going to retire one of my servers
03:28<Piratero>it's old
03:28<zuLu>I'm not sure if that helped at all, I think that's the kernel.
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03:30<cahoot>zuLu: uname -r would make sure
03:30<cahoot>zuLu: also - ho w about the pciid?
03:31<zuLu>cahoot: I have no idea what that is.
03:31<cahoot>pastebin the output of "lspci -n" somewhere
03:31<zuLu>2.2.26-2-amd64, I was correct.
03:32<zuLu>You want me to paste it in here?
03:32<zuLu>Or just anywhere period.
03:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
03:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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03:38<gsimmons>zuLux: Thanks. Any specific model number for your device? The "LT 1000" appears to be a netbook series.
03:38<zuLu>It is a netbook.
03:38<zuLu>Erm nothing specific actually.
03:38<gsimmons>zuLux: Also, you need to be using the ath9k for support of your wireless device.
03:38<gsimmons>dpkg: ath9k
03:38<dpkg>[ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11 draft-n PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in mainline kernel since 2.6.27-rc3. Lenny users: ask me about <> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170> or <otus>.
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03:38<gsimmons>s/the ath9k/the ath9k driver/
03:39<zuLu>Does it come with a readme on how to install the driver?
03:39<gsimmons>zuLu: See the wiki page mentioned by dpkg above.
03:41<gsimmons>zuLu: Bah, it needs to be updated for the 2.6.29 images in One moment.
03:46<gsimmons>zuLu: OK, refresh the wiki page and follow the updated procedure within.
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03:47<zuLux>Wait I'm confused
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03:52<gsimmons>zuLux: Can you be more specific? ath9k isn't included Lenny's 2.6.26 kernel, hence the requirement to install a backported 2.6.29 kernel image. The ath5k and madwifi drivers do not support your wireless device's AR9285 chipset, which explains the missing interface issues you previously encountered (no idea about NDISwrapper).
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03:52<zuLu>I just actually fixed it, the device is there.
03:53<zuLu>I just had to follow the tutorial given inside of the wiki page you gave.
03:54<zuLu>I'm using the 2.6.30-1-amd64 kernel now.
03:55<zuLu>gismmons: Well thanks much for your help I'm going to sit and idle you have a great night / morning whichever it is. Tad bit early for me to be up.
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03:56<Piratero>when i run
03:56<Piratero>apt-get install xorg
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03:56<Piratero>why is it asking me to insert the installation disc?
03:56<Piratero>i have the network configured
03:56<zuLu>Check your sources.
03:57<Myon>remove the cdrom lines from sources.list
03:57<Myon>or move them down, ymmv
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04:14<sylarr>how do i chown /dev/sr0
04:14<sylarr>I want to tray make it root:cdrom
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04:14<sylarr>because it gives me permission denied
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04:18<mhymn>you shouldn't chown it, is it a cdrom device?
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04:20<Piratero>why is xorg still installed in /usr/X11R6?
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04:20<Piratero>any reason why it hasn't been integrated in /usr/local/?
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04:25<mhymn>Piratero: ls -l /usr/X11R6/
04:25<Piratero>freebsd does it differently...
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04:28<Myon>Piratero: /usr/local is for local stuff and never touched by Debian packages
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04:33<Piratero>again, i'm new to how linux does things
04:33<Piratero>i find it very odd, but i'll go along with it
04:34<locklace>/usr/X11R6 isn't a linux thing. X has lived there for years on all kinds of systems
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04:41<DaveLib>hello i just set up an old computer of mine that had Lenny on it the computer was turned off for about 11 months
04:41<DaveLib>is it safe for me to do apt-get update on that ?
04:41<DaveLib>and install new packages
04:42<locklace>sure. there will be a lot of upgrades though.
04:42<locklace>try "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" first, then "aptitude full-upgrade"
04:43<ml|>what does sources.list point to?
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04:43<DaveLib>are there any particular warning messages i should be looking out for ?
04:43<mhymn>btw lenny is now stable, you might want to use testing or squeeze
04:43<DaveLib>oh yes actually i track "testing"
04:43<locklace>uh, i think moving to lenny is a big enough jump to take first
04:44<locklace>do that first, then update to squeeze if you want
04:44<DaveLib>i was already in lenny i think
04:44<locklace>i mean syncing with current lenny
04:44<DaveLib>ok should i change to track "lenny" instead of "testing"
04:44<ml|>get current with lenny first then move to testing agian
04:44<DaveLib>with tracking testing .... ok
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04:46<Piratero>locklace: ah
04:46<Piratero>thanks for the info
04:46<DaveLib>i will go read man aptitude first to understand those options you said safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
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04:47<ml|>safe-upgrade first then full-upgrade
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04:48<ml|>lke locklace said ;)
04:48<mhymn>wise fella
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04:55<Gibbers69>hi. i'm a newbie. i'm trying to setup my wireless netowrk card. how can i tell if my card is installed? when i do iwconfig there is some information displayed in wlan0, but there the signal level is at 0 and access point is defined as "not-associated". does this mean the card should be working properly?
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04:57<ffws>Gibbers69: if a 'iwlist wlan0 scan' gets results your card is working
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04:58<Gibbers69>ffws: it says interface doesn't support scanning : network is down. i take it i need to install the drivers for it then?
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04:59<ffws>Gibbers69: try a 'ifconfig wlan0 up' and then the scan part above again
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05:02<Gibbers69>ffws: when i do that i get a siocsifflag: no such file or directory message
05:04<gsimmons>Gibbers69: Check the kernel ring buffer (dmesg). Your driver likely requires firmware.
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05:08<Gibbers69>i think i know what the problem is. i tried to install a driver before using b43-fwcutter. it needs a net connection to get the firmware - my pc is not connected to the net and this computer uses a usb dongle so i can't use it. how do i remove the fwcutter so i can use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers?
05:09<dpkg>APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <apt-get>, <apt-cache>,
05:13<zem>Gibbers69: what chipset is it?
05:16<Gibbers69>the driver has installed with ndiswrapper
05:17<Gibbers69>ndiswrapper -l is shwoing the device as present
05:20<zem>hmmm... are you sure that you need ndiswraper?
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05:20<Gibbers69>but when i do iwlist wlan0 scan it is still giving the same message "network is done" and ifconfig wlan 0 is still giving the same message. any ideas?
05:21<zem> seems to me that there is linux driver for it, no need for ndiswraper if your card is one of suported
05:21<Gibbers69>i have used that before. it tries to access the net for firmware - i believe this is due to licensing
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05:22<rostayob>I just installed leny with deboostrap
05:22<gsimmons>Gibbers69: You can manually supply the Broadcom drivers to your system, then use b43-fwcutter locally to extract the required version 3/4 firmware.
05:22<locklace>yeah. native driver is the way to go; question is whether the b43-fwcutter postinst script is smart enough to be able to take a local file instead of trying to use the net to get it
05:23<rostayob>everything is fine, but when I try to install a package it says "Install this packages without verify?"
05:23<locklace>gsimmons: problem he was having was with the b43-fwcutter postinst script.
05:23<Gibbers69>i have the files neccessary
05:24<zem>it can use local file
05:24<gsimmons>locklace: It won't acquire the driver if "no" is answer given at the "fetch and install" debconf prompt.
05:24<locklace>gsimmons: he was installing it with dpkg -i and there wasn't any prompt that i could see. is there a better way to do it?
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05:31<hamsand>hi all
05:31<hamsand>i need libsocks5 to compile xchat with --enable-socks
05:31<hamsand>but told me that debian does not have any libsocks5 packages
05:31<hamsand>where can i get libsocks5? where do debian's xchat maintainers get libsocks5 from?
05:32<hamsand>if you don't mind, please tell me
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05:36<Piratero>is lfp fonts available in debian?
05:36<Piratero>well, it contains the uniread font
05:36<Piratero>i tried: apt-cache search lfp
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05:51<mhymn_>hamsand: seems there's only libsocks4 which is 4.3 actually
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05:54<hamsand>oh, debian's xchat cannot use socks5?
05:57<Piratero>so apt-get source
05:57<Piratero>is the only option that'll just extract the tarballs
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05:57<Piratero>does apt-get run configure and such?
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06:02<Gibbers69>locklace: if i setup the driver through ndiswrapper, could i not use the net connection that i setup to let the package download the neccesary firmware? then remove the driver in ndiswrapper once b43-fwcutter is properly setup? or would that cause some sort of conflict?
06:02<gsimmons>locklace: Hmm. Purge, preconfigure (e.g. 'dpkg-preconfigure -plow ./b43-fwcutter/b43-fwcutter_011-5_i386.deb'), then install via dpkg. Failing that, modify its postinst to exit prior to calling
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06:15<Gibbers69>gsimmons: i tried with the dpkg-preconfigure. that didn't work. i don't know how to modify the postinst script. any thing else i could try?
06:16<Piratero>anyone here only compiles all of their packages?
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06:26<gsimmons>Gibbers69: Open /var/lib/dpkg/info/b43-fwcutter.postinst in an editor, add "exit 0" (without quotes) on a new line under the shebang. Save/exit, then: dpkg --configure -a
06:27<glock>hey guys, ca i ask u about gnome ?
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06:28<Piratero>glock: don't ask to ask
06:29<Piratero>glock: #gnome
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06:29<glock>Thnx Piratero , but #gnome is dead
06:30<glock>ill try ay
06:30<Piratero>you're going to have to wait, unfortunately
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06:30<Gibbers69>gsimmons: there is no .postinst file in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ just a .list and a .postrm
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06:32<gsimmons>Gibbers69: So install the package again.
06:32<Gibbers69>sorry just realised that's waht i needed to do
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06:33<Piratero>looks like
06:33<Piratero>i'm going to have to reinstall debian at the most minimal install
06:34<Piratero>that way, i can recompile everything
06:34<Piratero>i don't really like the idea of just fetching precompiled binaries
06:34<Piratero>i want to compile my apps
06:35<Torsten_W>Piratero, then u shold use gentoo instead of debian
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06:35<Piratero>Torsten_W: eh?
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06:36<Torsten_W>Piratero, what's unclear?
06:36<Torsten_W>Piratero, u will kompile your apps. so use gentoo
06:36<Piratero>the fact that you're telling me that this isn't possible in debian?
06:36<Torsten_W>Piratero, it does not make any sense
06:37<Piratero>how does it not make any sense?
06:37<Piratero>i fetch files, extract, build, install
06:37<Torsten_W>then use gentoo
06:37<Piratero>why, if debian can do it?
06:37<Torsten_W>this is the distro, you want
06:38<Piratero>are you telling me that debian does not have tools sophisticated enough to do compile and install?
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06:39<Piratero>i guess you're just telling me a canned response
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06:39<mosno>Piratero: i think what you want is possible, it's just probably not that well documented
06:39<Piratero>i see
06:39<mosno>Piratero: "debian from scratch" rings a bell
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06:40<bremner>It is extremely well documented. See
06:40<mosno>Piratero: what you want is certainly theoretically possible
06:40<stuckey>Why compile your own applications when they're in a repository from which you may download them?
06:40<Piratero>because i want to set CFLAGS options
06:40<Piratero>that's why
06:41<valdyn>Piratero: and you think you have a clue how to set CFLAGS properly?
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06:41<mosno>bremner: perhaps not that obvious, then. i suppose he'd effectively want to fork the distro
06:41<valdyn>Piratero: so the isnt worse than what debian delivers?
06:41<valdyn>Piratero: so the result isnt worse than what debian delivers?
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06:43<Piratero>i am perfectly capable of setting the CFLAGS properly
06:43<Gibbers69>gsimmons: i did that. it's displayed "setting up b43-fwcutter ...". then went to the prompt. i looked in aptitude and it's displayed as being an obsolete/local package. what should i do now?
06:43<Piratero>it's as if i'm inexperienced
06:43<bremner>Piratero: then you are also perfectly capable of reading the documentation I pointed to
06:44<bremner>Piratero: see in particular the New Maintainers Guide
06:44<Piratero>of course i am
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06:45<stuckey>!judd versions mplayer
06:45<dpkg>stuckey, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
06:45<stuckey>judd versions mplayer
06:45<judd>stuckey: mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch5 etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7 lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3 sid: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 squeeze: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090613-0.0 squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20090613-0.0
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06:46<gsimmons>Gibbers69: You're ready to extract the firmware from Broadcom's drivers. 'man b43-fwcutter' and see the commands within /usr/share/b43-fwcutter/ You can acquire the drivers the links mentioned in that file, then transfer to your target machine and extract.
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07:00<sylock>hello here
07:00<sylock>I just installed mailscanner on debian with backports.
07:01<sylock>when I launch it I get an error :
07:01<sylock>Restarting mail spam/virus scanner: MailScannerCould not create SpamAssassin temporary directory , Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type at /usr/share/MailScanner//MailScanner/ line 80.
07:01<sylock>someone have an idea to fix this? I can't
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07:10<Gibbers69>gsimmons: i have now extracted the drivers as per the, what do i do now?
07:12<xcore>after installing debian 5.0.1 X server cannot start - display go out of range. my video card is nvidia geforce 285gtx. i have downloaded drivers from, but it can't be installed because kernel sources are not installed. but i can't install kernel-source package because it is in tree but can't be found. where can i found kernel-sources package or tarboll?..
07:12<valdyn>xcore: you really want "linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
07:13<xcore>nvidia dreivers needs kernel sources
07:13<gsimmons>Gibbers69: You should be able to use the b43 driver and raise your wireless interface. You'd want to unload the ndiswrapper module if currently loaded.
07:13<valdyn>xcore: no they need what i told you
07:13<xcore>ok) i'll try) thx)
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07:14<Gibbers69>gsimmons: sorry this might sound stupid, but do i need to do anything so i can use the drive? load it or anything?
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07:15<Gibbers69>sorry i meant driver
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07:18<gsimmons>Gibbers69: Apart from loading b43 via modprobe (or b43legacy if 802.11b / BCM4306 revision 2), no. Again, you'd want to unload the ndiswrapper module (if loaded) to prevent a conflict.
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07:39<rostayob>i'm trying to log in with nx but I get an error
07:40<rostayob>something like "bad display name "debian:1006" in "add" command"
07:41<And1>Feier halt heut Geburtstag man! -- Vol schulmädchenhaft.
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07:45<xcore>how can i install opera on debian amd64?...
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07:50<InkBottle>Hi, I've got a sever problem of screen turning blank. No idea why (4 times in the last 10 minutes). awful
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07:52<InkBottle>the screen gets black (even with no light in the room)
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07:53<InkBottle>so deep black, like energy saving
07:54<trman_1001>could that be your video card?
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07:54<InkBottle>and this very last time the screen got back scrumbled, melted.
07:54<InkBottle>trman_1001: could be anything
07:54<InkBottle>trman_1001: sorry I don't know
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07:56<trman_1001>InkBottle: I had a similar problem not long ago, and before buying a new video card pulled the bad one, and with a compressed air bottle blew the dust away. In extreme cases you can even use a soft tooth brush
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07:57<InkBottle> but since there is no time stamps I can't know if it's recent or not
07:57<trman_1001>InkBottle: try from console ( ctrl + alt + f1 ) first, see if you can see anything
07:57<InkBottle>trman_1001: console comes fine
07:57<InkBottle>and it seems it has something to do with dmps energy saving
07:58<locklace>InkBottle: "xset q" to show screensaver and dpms settings
07:59<InkBottle>DPMS is Disabled
07:59<trman_1001>InkBottle: don't know, seems the video card may be doing fine
07:59<InkBottle>prefer blanking: yes timeout: 0
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08:00<InkBottle>Ok, I will post this on #nouveau and see if...
08:00<locklace>InkBottle: it's easy to tell if it's just a screensaver. does it happen after exactly n minutes of idle time, and does hitting a key or moving the mouse unblank it
08:01<InkBottle>locklace: not at all
08:01<locklace>InkBottle: you're using the nouveau driver?
08:02<InkBottle>locklace: yes; look at this:
08:02<locklace>that driver is, uh...not exactly production-class yet
08:03<InkBottle>locklace: there isn't any other :)
08:03<locklace>try with another driver like "nv" just to verify that the problem goes away
08:03<InkBottle>locklace: my screen is too large for nv :)
08:04<InkBottle>locklace: I +can't+ use nv
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08:04<locklace>ok. guess your next stop is nouveau support fora then
08:04<InkBottle>I only can use proprietary driver; but it has problems too and it's proprietary
08:05<InkBottle>locklace: One more hint; it always happens when using firefox (not sure)
08:06<hense>Hi. In some applications, I have a problem using the level3 shift key on my ibook (ppc) since the last reboot (squeeze), which means that I cannot produce characters like @ and ~ in emacs and iceweasel for example, while it works nice in xterm and roxterm.
08:07<hense>any hints on where the problem might be? I tried checking the BTS regarding the kbd x input and the applications affected, but came up with nothing so far
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08:08<hense>xev shows the 'right thing' too, so I think there must be something different in how these specific applications interpret keycodes for themselves or something like that
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08:11<hense>hm, I think it might be related to gtk and thus pango
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08:17<hense>well, it does only seem to happen in gtk widgets
08:17<hense>but I still haven't found anything in the BTS
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08:20<rostayob>why I keep getting this error
08:20<rostayob>bad display name "debian:1" in "add" command
08:20<rostayob>debian is the hostname
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08:29<Slurb>InkBottle: why would you even think to use open source over proprietary
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08:57<drakeman>ml|, are u awake already :D
08:58<drakeman>good morning!
08:58<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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09:13<drakeman>locklace, thanks!
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09:34<ml|>drakeman: hello
09:34<drakeman>ml|, hey man, i talked to you yesterday, but i guess you were sleeping!
09:35<locklace>ml| never sleeps
09:35<ml|>heh what happened
09:35<locklace>his consciousness just slips into a different window for a while
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09:36<drakeman>ml|, you know that the thing we did yesterday with the bash_profile file, only works when i connect through ssh, when i arrive to home yesterday with the same user i use to connect trough ssh, the path is the old one, without the /sbin dir added, dont know why, then i connect using ssh, and it works fine..
09:36<drakeman>and the file is in my user home ./.bash_profile
09:38<ml|>drakeman: did you ever logout bavk in that user on that machine?
09:39<drakeman>ml|, i turn the computer off yesterday after we finish with the file.. then when i arrive to my house i turn the computer on, but doesnt work, i check for the existence of the file in de home dir, and the file is there... but dont know why only works when i connnect using ssh...
09:40<ml|>hmm, it should work locally too
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09:44<locklace>drakeman: how are you logging in
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09:50<drakeman>ml|, yeah, is weird...
09:50<drakeman>locklace, login as usuall, using gnome, X, and then openin a bash terminal
09:50<drakeman>inside the graphic environment
09:50<ml|>drakeman: and try manually sourcing bash_profile
09:50<locklace>drakeman: that won't read .bash_profile.
09:51<locklace>drakeman: .bash_profile is only read for a login shell, and shells opened in x terminal windows don't count as login shells. they'll read .bashrc instead.
09:51<ml|>yeah that won't work
09:51<locklace>i'd just like to say for the record that bash's startup file handling is totally brain-dead. but at least it's fully documented. read "man bash".
09:52<bja>drakeman: hi, as allways read man bash :)
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09:52<themill>I always set my terminal emulator to run "bash -ls" for me so that .bash_profile *is* loaded
09:52<locklace>if you want stuff to be executed whenever you start an (interactive) bash shell, put it in bashrc and include a line in bash_profile that sources bashrc if it exists
09:53<drakeman>ml|, locklace you guys are saying that when i login locally and i openl bash term, debian uses the .bashrc file, and not the bash_profile?
09:53<drakeman>ml|, locklace anyway to force the system to use or read the .bash_profile?
09:53<drakeman>locklace, or i have to modify the path in .bashrc file.
09:54<locklace>drakeman: "man bash | less '+/^INVOCATION'"
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09:54<locklace>i just told you what to do. or you can use themill's ugly hack
09:54<drakeman>locklace, thanks. i will check...
09:54<ml|>uses both, but once you launch a terminal in X it only reads bashrc
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09:56<drakeman>ml|, ok, thanks......., but i just see the option from themill, didnt see what you say to call bash_profile locklace
09:57<ml|>drakeman: so place what you in bash_profile in bashrc the PATH line
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09:58<drakeman>ml|, ok, thats what i thought
09:58<drakeman>ml|, thanks....
09:58<drakeman>themill, im going to try the ugly hack method too, like locklace says. xD
09:59<drakeman>thanks locklace
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10:00<ml|>drakeman: then source .bashrc and it should work
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10:01<drakeman>ml|, ok, going to do that too... thanks man!
10:03<bja>drakeman: just for my general knowledge how do i source .bashrc on bash_profile
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10:03<bja>ml|: just for my general knowledge how do i source .bashrc on bash_profile
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10:04<locklace>"source ~/.bashrc"
10:04<ml|>bja: or
10:05<bja>locklace: thx
10:05<bja>ml|: taking a look right now
10:05<drakeman>locklace, but you say that i have to source bashrc in bash_profile, but when i run terminal in X it uses bashrc, so i thinkg i have to source bash_profile in bashrc no?
10:05<rudi_s>Is there a difference between source ~/.bashrc and . ~/.bashrc and which should be used?
10:06<locklace>drakeman: step 1: put stuff you want to be executed in *every* interactive shell session in .bashrc. step 2: put the lines that ml| pasted in .bash_profile.
10:06<locklace>rudi_s: they're identical
10:06<ml|>rudi_s: source .bashrc if you in your home dir if not source ~/.bashrc
10:07<ml|>locklace: he has an extra dot in front of second one
10:07<locklace>ml|: . is an alias for source
10:07<rudi_s>ml|: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.
10:08<drakeman>thanks ml| .
10:08<ml|>locklace: ah did not know that
10:08<rudi_s>Isn't this is the same? As ~/.bashrc is in my $HOME.
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10:08<drakeman>thanks to ml|, locklace, themill , bja for your help!
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10:09<ml|>~ = home no need to add it if you are already there
10:09<ml|>drakeman: working?
10:10<drakeman>ml|, yes im in my work right now...
10:10<rudi_s>ml|: I know that ~ is $HOME, but I still don't get the difference between source and .
10:10<locklace>rudi_s: i'm going to repeat myself:
10:10<locklace>rudi_s: they're identical
10:10<ml|>rudi_s: locklace said twicw now ;)
10:11<rudi_s>Okay, I got it. Thanks ;-)
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10:12<ml|>drakeman: get rid of bash_profile and login thru ssh and see that it works
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10:13<ml|>drakeman: didn't i ask you to place this bashrc and you told me it didn't work?
10:14<locklace>it won't work if he does that. bash_profile has to exist so that it can source bashrc
10:14<locklace>god, i can't believe this single point has taken 45 minutes to explicate
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10:15<ml|>locklace: sorry guess i need sleep ;)
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10:16<helplis>hi people
10:16<helplis>hi have to many problems with the nvidia driver...
10:16<helplis>i tried with the oficial driver and module-assitant
10:17<helplis>i tried to with the kernel 2.6.26-1-686 and 2.6.26-2-686
10:17<helplis>always i have errors
10:18<ml|>helplis: did you ever use driver?
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10:18<jose>alguien que hable español
10:18<helplis>mlj yes
10:19<helplis>jose vete a debian-es
10:19<ml|>jose: /j #debian-es
10:19<jose>ok gracias saludos
10:19<helplis>mlj i tried all
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10:20<samantha-c>is the 501 netinst known to work with efi macs? when i've tried it in the past it's been a pretty miserable failure, refusing to boot after the first restart
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10:21<ml|>helplis: you problem is that you used nvidia's driver first and it's still there somewhere, i believe
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10:22<helplis>mlj, no, first i install the headers and the build esential
10:22<helplis>i folow to many tuttos, and nothing
10:22<helplis>now i am try in other kernel
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10:25<Ze>is there a fix for the linux-image-2.6.29-2-686 , it keeps coming up broken for me
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10:26<helplis>ok now i install the driver
10:26<locklace>Ze: you win the "dumbest question of the week" award
10:26<locklace>impressive achievement
10:26<helplis>the problem is that module assistant dont works well in the new kernel
10:26<helplis>i think
10:26<bishop>leaving back later
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10:27<ml|>helplis: didn't you say you used driver before following the debian wiki?
10:28<Ze>locklace: well I'm just wandering what other people are doing instead in sid?
10:28<locklace>!tell Ze about ask
10:28<locklace>eh, dead bot
10:28<Ze>locklace: since linux-image-2.6-686 depends upon it , where as the package is available
10:29<ml|>locklace: in a bad mood today?
10:29<helplis>mlj i folow and isntall all before change my kernel
10:29<ml|>heh dpkg left us ;(
10:29<Ze>locklace: but thanks for the award :p would you like one of your own?
10:29<cahoot>the mwilson badge?
10:30<locklace>Ze: no one can help you if you don't give a complete description of the problem and the exact log or error messages
10:30<themill>Ze: you'd struggle to make your question more vague if you tried....
10:30<themill>[15:30] <dpkg> In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:30<ml|>helplis: sorry don't understand
10:30<themill>Ze ^^
10:30<themill>judd kernels
10:30<judd>themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.30-trunk-686 (2.6.30-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13813); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
10:31<themill>Ze: and in any case, 2.6.29 is no longer in sid anyway
10:31<helplis>mlj dont worry i think that the problem is fixed, how i can know if my aceleration 3d works?? i tried glxinfo, but dosnt work
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10:31<Ze>yeah it appears missing but also when I checked the linux-image-2.6-686 package still depends upon it , even though it's broken
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10:32<Ze>it even says it
10:32<Ze>it even says it's missing :p
10:32<themill>Ze: That's often the case for the kernel packages. Welcome to sid.
10:32<ml|>helplis: when you login you will see a big nvidia logo
10:33<themill>dondelelcaro: would you be able to give dpkg the kiss of life for us? Thanks.
10:33<SQlvpapir_>helplis: glxinfo in mesa-utils should work.. what doesent work?
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10:34<Ze>ahh I suppose it's supposed to point to 2.6.30-1 instead , and hasn't been updated?
10:35<helplis>mlj yes i see the logo, in the kernel 2.6.26-1-686, but in 2.6.26-2-686 i have always errors
10:35<helplis>SQlvpapir_, the console tell me segment violent
10:35<ml|>helplis: you need to that for each new kernel
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10:36<ml|>helplis: so for each new kernel need to follow the wiki
10:37<helplis>well i will try again and i will come back here tu tell you what happen
10:39<themill>Ze: correct. You'll notice that the dummy packages linux-image-2.6-686 etc are from the package linux-latest-2.6 rather than being from the specific kernel package. It's often uploaded some time after the new kernel once things have settle down with it and it's working nicely.
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10:40<Ze>themill: ahh that makes sense
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10:40<Hanzo>hello, my frist time in this channel
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10:41<Hanzo>i have a question, can I use a standar pci ethernet card in a alpha server 800 to install debian via internet?
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10:42<locklace>Hanzo: sure, as long as there's a working driver for the card in the kernel
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10:44<Hanzo>locklace: so is it possible to pull a ethernet on a pc and then install it on the alpha server
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10:45<Slurb>as long as there is a free pci slot
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10:45<drakeman>ml|, , dont understand your question, if i remove the bash_profile, yes, i can login normally. or you want me to modify first the bashrc. the path, first?
10:45<Hanzo>i've seen that the kernel support realtek 8139, the most generic ethernet that i know
10:46<Hanzo>Slurb: yes there are three,
10:46<Hanzo>I'll give it a try
10:46<Hanzo>Thanks you all for the help
10:47<ml|>drakeman: didn't you add PATH line to bashrc?
10:48<Slurb>by the way /etc/modprobe.d/options gets ignored at boot on a standard lenny install
10:49<Slurb>not that there arent other ways
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11:15<alessandro>ale good bay
11:16<alessandro>! list
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11:43<Slurb>do i have to do anything special to play 3d games in wine?
11:44<Slurb>winhq says unreal tournament works but no dice
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11:46<Slurb>some kind of page fault on read access
11:46<SlimeyPete>check you're running the right version of Wine
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11:46<Slurb>yes i am
11:46<SlimeyPete>it's common for games to work okay in some versions but not in others, even newer ones
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11:47<Slurb>it says it works with my version and my os
11:47<ert34>Despite the same name for .srt and .avi files to watch them subtitled, what I need to do to watch subtitled .avi on debian?
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11:48<avu>ert34, mplayer for example
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11:49<Slurb>type mplayer --help
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11:49<ert34>I need load it on mplayer or ?
11:50<avu>mplayer is just one example of a video player that supports subtitles
11:50<avu>it probably works in almost any other as well, just read the docs of the player you're using
11:50<Slurb>mplayer -sub <filename> <moviefile>
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11:52<miguel>i need help with sed
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11:53<miguel>i have lines like: 1234:-3334
11:53<miguel>and want remove everything after and including the ":"
11:53<ert34>Slurb, yes it works
11:53<ert34>but without buttons to stop
11:53<miguel>i try something like: sed s/:?*$/g
11:53<ert34>and go
11:53<ert34>play etc
11:54<Slurb>right click on the screen
11:54<Slurb>spacebar should pause enter plays from the beginning
11:54<miguel>whats wrong about my regex?
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11:55<ert34>I can't right click
11:55<craigevil>ert34: if you want a nice gui for mplayer try smplayer
11:55<Slurb>oh yeah
11:55<Slurb>i use
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11:56<craigevil>ert34: smplayer even has a nice Subtitles menu and remembers where you left off watching a movie
11:56<ert34>I want play a dir
11:57<ert34>The dir contaning all thing right
11:57<ert34>,avi and .srt
11:57<ert34>make a bash script for me ;-)
11:57<miguel>ok, got it
11:58<miguel>i use: sed 's/:-*[0-9]*//g'
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11:58<miguel>im sure there is a more elegant solution but this works fine
11:58<chahibi>Do you recommend to use testing/stable/unstable as a functional desktop system?
11:59<ert34>Hmm, smplayer is just nice
11:59<locklace>chahibi: what are your priorities and knowledge level
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12:01<chahibi>locklace: Development environment, for school productivity
12:02<chahibi>locklace: working wireless, vpn, relatively stable system
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12:04<stuckey>I'm trying to play a movie in mplayer but it says my system is too slow; is there anything I can do to get it to play?
12:04<chahibi>stuckey: I tend to prefer vlc
12:04<locklace>chahibi: is it more important to you to have a system that requires minimal knowledge and effort to maintain, or one that requires some effort and learning but that always has the latest software versions?
12:04<stuckey>chahibi: I'll give it a shot
12:05<chahibi>locklace: if the latest versions assure stability, yes
12:05<chahibi>locklace: I don't want to be in the condition of a locked system
12:05<locklace>chahibi: "latest versions" and "stable" are basically contradictory
12:06<chahibi>locklace: depends on the softawre
12:06<cahoot>latest stable?
12:06<locklace>chahibi: in the sense that a release isn't declared "stable" until its packages have been out for a good while and thoroughly tested
12:06<chahibi>locklace: I had days when I couldn't install new software with unstable
12:06<ert34>OMG my avi codec sucks
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12:06<ert34>Tell me one that is good
12:06<chahibi>locklace: and my wifi does not work anymore (bcm4315, driver doesn't compile)
12:07<chahibi>on recent kernels
12:07<ert34>a non-free for sure
12:07<chahibi>ert34: vlc?
12:07<locklace>chahibi: wouldn't recommend unstable. if you don't mind frequent updates, sorting out the occasional breakage, and learning about how the system works, testing is a good choice. otherwise stick with stable.
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12:07<chahibi>locklace: thanks
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12:07<craigevil>ert34: install ffmpeg and w32codecs from
12:07<chahibi>Besides, did anyone succeed to get broadcom linux sta driverts to work?
12:08<locklace>chahibi: you can also go with stable but get more current versions of some packages if you need them via backports.
12:08<chahibi>on recent kernels
12:08<chahibi>locklace: I think that is a saner
12:08<stuckey>chahibi: works
12:08<chahibi>stuckey: what driver?
12:08<chahibi>stuckey: what installation method? what kernel version?
12:09<ert34>craigevil, how do I clean the another bad ones?
12:09<chealer>chahibi: you're only talking about a system you would use yourself, right?
12:09<ert34>remove them out?
12:09<craigevil>ert34: they should get removed when you install a different one
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12:11<chahibi>chealer: yes
12:12<chahibi>stuckey: I would be relieved to know of any working method
12:12<chahibi>stuckey: I tried all the patches I could found in vain
12:12<chealer>chahibi: how well do you know Debian? since how long do you administrate Debian systems?
12:12<RonIn>hi there... what does package{ u}
12:12<RonIn>means while running aptitude ?
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12:13<chahibi>chealer: since 2 years, perhaps
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12:14<chahibi>chealer: basic knowledge, really
12:14<chealer>chahibi: it would be simpler to use stable if you have no need for testing, but feel free to try testing
12:14<chahibi>chealer: which version is used for bug reporting?
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12:15<chealer>chahibi: all
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12:18<ert34>craigevil, I just apt-get updated after adding the keyring, then I used apt-get install ffmpeg w32codecs
12:18<ert34>I will install from the correct repo?
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12:20<stuckey>chahibi: debian stable/what do you mean driver?
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12:22<ml|>ert34: did you add debian-multimedia to your sources.list
12:23<craigevil>ert34: one would assume yes, if you want to do it the easy way take a look at a neat script called exnoodles>
12:23<gsimmons>chahibi: Broadcom's hybrid driver? (wl) A patch against for kernel 2.6.29 use was posted on the vendor's site three days ago.
12:25<ert34>ml|, sure
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12:26<ert34>the sound keeps suckin
12:26<ert34>I think that it's smplayer
12:26<ml|>ert34: if you have that it should work, but might want to take a look at craigevil's link
12:27<ert34>after sometime some on some parts the sound start changing, disforming
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12:32<ert34>I am using this script right now
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12:36<Gibbers96>hi. i seemed to be banned when trying to access the channel through konversation - i suspect it's because i didn't realise i needed to change my nick and so it tried to access the channel as root. how do i get the ban lifted?
12:38<ml|>you shouldn't be banned try again as regular user
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12:40<Gibbers69>i just realised i hadn't changed the ident
12:40<ml|>Gibbers69: never join irc as root
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12:41<Gibbers69>i forgot to change the settings in konversation. i'm just finding my feet with all these new programs etc
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12:43<Gibbers69>i'm having a problem with libdlna. when i try ./configure i'm getting an error message - it can't find the avformat.h. i suspect it's because of the version of ffmpeg i have installed. anyone familiar with this?
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12:54<valdyn>Gibbers69: so you are being kicked for logging in as root and your solution is changing the nick? does that make sense?
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12:56<Gibbers69>valdyn: sorry? i've sorted that now. it was because i hadn't changed the nick and ident settings in konversation. konversation tried to automatically log me in with root as both nick and ident. i didn't realise i need to change the details.
12:57<valdyn>Gibbers69: you need to not run konversation as root
12:57<valdyn>Gibbers69: the kick is trying to protect you
12:57<valdyn>Gibbers69: nevermind this if you arent really running konoversation as root
12:57<Gibbers69>oh i see. got it. sorry. i only installed debian a few days back so i'm still gettign the handle on things.
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12:58<valdyn>Gibbers69: dont log in as root, dont run anything as root unless you *really* have to.
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13:00<Gibbers69>valdyn: thanks for that. like i say i'm not familiar with debian
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13:01<ml|>Gibbers69: do a some reading ...
13:01<ml|>12:58:19 < valdyn> Gibbers69: dont log in as root, dont run anything as root unless you *really* have to.
13:03<Gibbers69>i understand that
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13:04<ml|>Gibbers69: in Konversation you can set your nick, so you don't have to manually change it when you join unless you want to
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13:06<ml|>like you did with root ;)
13:06<Gibbers69>i know, i've done that now. i connected to the server before changing that.
13:07<ml|>ok just thought i'd mention it
13:08<jawe>what is the command that modifes the symlinks in the /etc/rcX.d/ dirs?
13:08<jeremiah2>What is the best way to set up locales on a new sid install?
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13:08<jeremiah2>I keep getting warnings from perl (and man, etc.) that the locale is not set.
13:09<weasel>valdyn: install locales-all
13:09<jeremiah2>dpkg is sleeping. :)
13:09<valdyn>jeremiah2: dpkg-reconfigure locales
13:09<ml|>valdyn: dpkg is not here ;)
13:09<jeremiah2>Thanks valdyn and weasel.
13:09<jawe>jeremiah2: update-locale
13:10*weasel is a huge fan of locales-all
13:10<weasel>unless you're really space constraint it's the way to go
13:10<valdyn>thats probably the best solution
13:10<jeremiah2>What is the scoop with locales-all?
13:10<kapil>jawe: you meant update-rc.d?
13:10<valdyn>not like its a huge package
13:10<valdyn>jeremiah2: it has all locales
13:10<jeremiah2>Why is it better?
13:10<valdyn>jeremiah2: because it saves you from having to generate locales ever
13:10<jawe>kapil, yes I think that's it. thanks!
13:11<jeremiah2>Cool - that sounds great! :)
13:11<jeremiah2>Thanks again.
13:11<jeremiah2>I'll still want to do dpkg-reconfigure on locales-all correct?
13:12<valdyn>jeremiah2: no
13:12<jeremiah2>ah, okay.
13:12<jeremiah2>Nope, wasn't required. Cool.
13:14<xemacs4321>what happened to xemacs in squeeze ?
13:15<xemacs4321>lenny and sid both have it !
13:15<ml|>judd: versions xemacs
13:15<judd>ml|: xemacs --
13:16<valdyn>xemacs4321: looks like theres no xemacs package in debian anywhere
13:16<craigevil>judd: versions xemacs21
13:16<judd>craigevil: xemacs21 -- etch: 21.4.19-2 lenny: 21.4.21-4 sid: 21.4.21-4 sid: 21.4.22-1
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13:17<ml|>ah, yes 21
13:17<drakeman_>ml|, thats not true... you have like 60, you have a lot of experience
13:18<ml|>drakeman_: ;P
13:18<xemacs4321>ml|, sorry i didn't understand your question?
13:18<drakeman_>ml|, talking about age! :D
13:18<xemacs4321>look like time to move to sid
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13:19<ml|>xemacs4321: no i missed 21 from judd versions xemacs21
13:19<ml|>xemacs4321: and no need to move to sid for that
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13:20<xemacs4321>i like broken (is that a reason ?
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13:23<ml|>xemacs4321: add deb unstable main contrib non-free and deb-src unstable main to sources.list then create /etc/apt/apt.conf with APT::Default-Release "testing";
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13:24<ml|>to install aptitude -t unstable xemacs21, all this if you on testing
13:24<xemacs4321>ml|, thankyou
13:24<ml|>xemacs4321: np on testing correct?
13:25<xemacs4321>i will add and pin it
13:25<ml|>that should work, you can do that to but not necessary
13:26<ml|>xemacs4321: another thing you can do is wait xmacs21 should make it's way to testing
13:28<xemacs4321>how can i look at buildd que to see how soon it might re show up
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13:31<ml|>xemacs4321: or manually install lenny version since it seems that version has bugs
13:31<xemacs4321>better idea probably
13:32<ml|>it's up to you, whether you want cutting edge or stable
13:32<xemacs4321>dont need new features so stable it is
13:33<ml|>well disregard what i said before then about sources.list
13:33<ml|>but now you know how to do it
13:33<ml|>if you need to
13:34<xemacs4321><<< learned new trick today
13:34<ml|>bookmark that site for future reference ;)
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13:52<drakeman_>ml|, regards going to home xD
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13:53<ml|>safe trip lmk
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13:54<drakeman_>ml|, yes! thanks..
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14:06<dilubio>anyone tried installing tweetdeck?
14:07<hever>How can I switch the VGA output on? (I'm using a remote console and actually the screen is black. I've no Mouse/Keyb. ;)
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14:12<grrrrrrr>HI why can I not play xvid under debian klenny??
14:12<grrrrrrr>I have apt-gfet install the files from debian multimedia
14:13<grrrrrrr>compile dthe xvidcore from xvid website
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14:13<dr|z3d>grrrrrrr: try installing vlc.
14:13<grrrrrrr>yet vlc still complains
14:13<craigevil>grrrrrrr: w32codecs and or ffmpeg
14:13<ml|>mplayer works fine here
14:13<grrrrrrr>[00000296] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `XVID'.
14:14<grrrrrrr>i have w323codecs
14:14<grrrrrrr>and ffmpeg
14:14<grrrrrrr>I get sound but no video
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14:15<grrrrrrr>I have run ldconfig -v
14:16<grrrrrrr>this shows
14:16<grrrrrrr> ->
14:16<grrrrrrr>so i definatley have it
14:16<grrrrrrr>wtf isd going on?
14:17<ansgar>grrrrrrr: Debian's mplayer can play XVID via ffmpeg here (w/o debian-multimedia)
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14:19<grrrrrrr>then what the dickens is up with vlc?
14:20<grrrrrrr>strangley I can only use mplayer to start an xvid video from the command line. If i right click and goto play with mplayer it spazzes out compaining about unable to open the screen?
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14:48<propist>so when i run alsaconf in Konsole the screen goes blank. in fact, anything that uses a red/blue scheme in the console does not display. java install, reconfiguring xorg, etc
14:48<propist>is this a kde prob?
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14:53<ml|>propist: try asking in #debian-kde
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15:30<drakeman>ml|, hey man, how are you, just connecting to inform that everything works fine, i openet a bash window from X and the path works fine, and fine from ssh too. a thousand thanks!
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15:32<ml|>drakeman: glad it's working and np :)
15:32<drakeman>ml|, well, im going to take a nap,! thankss... :D
15:33<ml|>i should too ;)
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15:36<drakeman>ml|, i guess, hey superficial question, why before when i ran apt-get upgrade, the part that says building database was really fast, now is a little slower?
15:36<drakeman>ml|, is a problem¡ or is normal dont know because the programs installed?
15:37<drakeman>ml|, more or less like the problema explained here
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15:40<ml|>drakeman: don't know never noticed that here, you might want to reply to that message and/or look thru bts and you find one maybe file a bug report with reportbug
15:41<ml|>s/find/don't find/
15:41<drakeman>ml|, your computer do that part fast?
15:41<drakeman>ml|, here is a little slower than before.
15:42<ml|>drakeman: like i said never noticed will try to remember for next tim i update or install something new
15:42<drakeman>ml|, , ok, thanks, i will check again too!
15:42<drakeman>ml|, thanks! se e you!
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15:43<propist>:( where is dpkg?
15:43<ml|>taking a well deserved break ;)
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15:54<DarkDust>Hi @ all
15:54<DarkDust>some germans here ?
15:54<DarkDust>ah cool ^^
15:54<avu>hm, where's dpkg? :(
15:55<ml|>taking a well deserved break ;)
15:56<ml|>test failed!
15:56<jawe>woops, wallchan sends to ALL channels on ALL networks *blush*
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16:10<chahibi>stuckey: I mean by driver whether it is the official one or using ndiswrapper
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16:10<chahibi>stuckey: and what is your kernel version
16:10<chahibi>gsimmons: ah, thanks. It has taken a while since though
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16:19<mekoz>Hi everyone!!
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16:22<FourtyTruth>i wanted to know, is it possible to use one of my output of my 5.1 sound card to go to my headphones and the other to go to the speakers?
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16:25<Smaffler>deeeead quiet.
16:26<Smaffler>kinda creepy for 367 ppl not so say a thing.
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16:27<stuckey>chahibi: I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't use ndiswrapper.
16:27<stuckey>chahibi: Why did you want to know which kernel version I'm using? I'm using Stable/AMD64
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16:28<chahibi>stuckey: because broadcom sta driver used to work only for versions prior to 2.6.28
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16:32<Flakk>Hi people I have just installed lenny and have some problems with audio input. for example while making phone calls with skype i hear the voice, but on the other end they do not hear what I say. I thought it could be skype-specific, but i have the same problem with ekiga: the test recording fails. I do not have a dedicated sound card, and use what is provided by my motherboard: asus P4c800-E deluxe. I tried to overcome this through "sou
16:32<Flakk>nd" in the "Preferences" menu but failed. Any help?
16:33<Smaffler>I'm moving from windows to linux and I'm trying to carry over logs and account info. Where does pidgin store them in linux?
16:33<craigevil>Flakk: do you have both the mic and capture on and turned up
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16:34<ml|>Smaffler: try man pidgin
16:35<Smaffler>ml|: thanks
16:35<Flakk>craigevil: i have the micro and headphones plugged in. by the way there is a strange thing which i think should not happen: when i touch the microphone, u hear the sound reproduced in the headphones/
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16:36<Flakk> craigevil: about the "capture" and "turned up" i do not really know what to say i do not understand this
16:37<craigevil>Flakk: open your sound settings there should be a "mic" and "capture" they both need to be on and turned up
16:38<ml|>Flakk: or try alsamixer and make sure they are not muted
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16:40<Flakk>craigevil: I am sorry, where are he "sound settings"? i have the Sound preferences from the gnome preference menu, but there is no "microphone". I have also Volume control, but I think that s not what you mean
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16:41<craigevil>Flakk: try alsamixer in a terminal
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16:43<Flakk>alsamixer works OK gives a table with "master", headphon, etc,... but no microphone
16:44<Flakk>I also found "sound" in the gnome config
16:44<ml|>make sure you are in capture or all in alsamixer
16:44<Flakk>default mixer is alsamixer, again no trace of mic
16:45<Flakk>ml| - yes! Capture All displayed in alsamixer
16:45<sladi>flakk, have you read docs for alsa-base? Maybe the module for your card needs an option.
16:46<Smaffler>i found usr/local/man (empty) and user/lib/pidgin and lib/purple-2 looks like plugin and preference files, no sign of logs.
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16:47<ml|>so *in* Capture or All mic is not listed?
16:48<ml|>Smaffler: do you have pidgin installed if so you can also look in /usr/share/doc/
16:48<InkBottle>Hi, could I have time/date in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
16:48<Flakk>ml| - no. Here is what I see: "View: [Playback]" , then "Capture", then "All"
16:49<Flakk>so nothing between "Capture" and "All" which could suggest mic or whatever
16:49<ml|>Flakk: hit tab to select Capture or All will look like [Capture] or [All] when selected
16:49<Flakk>after "All" I have "Item: Master..."
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16:51<Flakk>ml| : wow! tab + Capture give indeed a lot of items: CD, Mic, Video, Phone, .. AND Mic Video and Phone are empty, there are just small white points there
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16:52<ml|>use arrow up to increase and make sure you don't see MM on bottom means it's muted
16:52<Flakk>there are two color columns over "IEC958" and over "Capture"
16:53<Flakk>OK I am on "mic"
16:53<Flakk>no 'Mm"
16:53<Smaffler>yes i have pidgin installed. in /usr there is no directory "shared"
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16:54<Smaffler>ml|: that neither :D
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16:55<ml|>hmm no /usr/share/doc/ ?
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16:55<Smaffler>ml: no :(
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16:56<ml|>Smaffler: then your best bet is to visit home page and look there or wait for someone that uses pidgin comes along
16:56<ml|>and no manpage for pidgin?
16:56<Smaffler>ml: scratch that. i entered it manually and it's there. apparently hidden
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16:57<raylu>Smaffler: i'm pretty sure the logs are somewhere in .purple
16:57<ml|>look for pidgin dir and inside there should be a README file
16:58<Flakk>pidgin is basically what was GAIM before, right?
16:58<Smaffler>flakk: yes
16:59<Flakk>i did not yet tried it sorry, gaim was ok
16:59<ml|>Flakk: got mic working?
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17:00<Flakk>ml| : not at all, I am in alsamixer, there are white points upwards of "mic" and everything is as it was
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17:00<ml|>did you raise it up and test it?
17:01<Flakk>how do I raise it up? sorry -
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17:01<ml|>arow up
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17:02<Flakk>arrow iup gives nothing, when I press arrow right-left this moves me between items "cd" and "mic"
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17:03<Flakk>but up-down just nothign.
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17:04<smaffler1>ml and everyone, thanks for the help. I just thought to do a search for accounts.xml and found it (and everything i'm looking for) in /home/Smaffler/.purple
17:05*smaffler1 *coughs* noob.
17:06<ml|>smaffler1: good usually manpage explains all this, or in /usr/share/doc/app-name/README
17:07<sladi>flakk, maybe try alsamixergui
17:08<Flakk>1 sec
17:08<ml|>there is alsamixergui?
17:08<Flakk>just installed it
17:08<sladi>yes :)
17:09<Flakk>1 sec, trying...
17:09<InkBottle>Hi, what do I have to do for a kernel module compile by hand to be loaded automatically?
17:09<smaffler1>ml: yes unfortunately the readme appeared to be just a quick guide to compile.
17:10<ml|>smaffler1: pidgin has no manpage?
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17:11<Flakk>sladi: now it seems more clear: I have two red points on the top of "Line", and two WHITE points on the top of "Mic". Should I get them RED???
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17:12<mhymn>InkBottle: /etc/modules
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17:12<ml|>below red but test it to see what works best for you
17:13<Flakk>I got it red (seems to be irreversible BTW). testing skype
17:13<InkBottle>mhymn: ok
17:14<sladi>yes put i loud burt you need to select mic as input. This is marked with red letters and you select a channel as input in capture with 'space' key
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17:15<smaffler1>ml: i was referring to the readme, actually. i've only fumbled around with manpages a very little in the terminal. how would i find the pidgin manpage?
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17:16<Flakk>seems to work !!
17:16<Flakk>one more test
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17:17<ml|>smaffler1: man ppidgin
17:18<ml|>in a terminal
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17:20<ml|>smaffler1: this will help you to learn about linux ...
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17:28<Flakk>ml|, slady: THANKS!! it works
17:28<ml|>congrats! heh
17:28<sladi>:) np
17:29<Flakk>debian has everything, the point is to know the exact place where it lies --
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17:30<ml|>Flakk: new to linux?
17:30<Flakk>I am a very old newbie
17:31<Flakk>but yes, i feel very often that i am new to linux
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17:31<ml|>the links i pasted above are good to read
17:32<Flakk>btw, now in my "alsamixer" i have indeed "L Captur" above the "mic" item.
17:32<Flakk>thanks for the links
17:33<ml|>np glad you got things working :)
17:34<k1lumin4t1> anybody experiencing problems with CD/DVD automount using Debian and kde 4.2?
17:34<k1lumin4t1>USB drives are automatically mounted through dolphin and device notifier plasmoid, but not CD/DVD
17:35<ml|>k1lumin4t1: try in #debian-kde
17:35<k1lumin4t1>tried there
17:35<k1lumin4t1>plain silence
17:37<smaffler1>ml: thanks for the links
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17:44<Piratero>is there a how-to as to how to install the linux kernel
17:45<Piratero>the debian way?
17:45<Piratero>i found:
17:46<Piratero>thank you
17:47<paggas>does anyone have any ideas why sometimes it seems like my x server repeats a keystroke out of the blue? like e.g. when i hit return, sometimes that keystroke gets repeated about 20-30 times, even though i only hit it once. maybe there is some clashing between x and the bios? thanks for any insights!
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17:48<paggas>or maybe the x server gets preempted before it sends the key release event, what can i say :|
17:48<ml|>paggas: maybe the keyboard is going, tried a different keyboard and see if it happens
17:49<paggas>ml|: i recently got a new keyboard, same behaviour as with the old one :|
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17:50<paggas>do apps usually repeat a keystroke till they get a key release event from x, or does x send key press events repeatedly till i physically release the key?
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17:52<paggas>is there an irc channel for the x server?
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17:53<ml|>try on freenode
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17:53<sylarr> I added a network card, with different subnets, it should surf from only one, it was slow, I put metric in /etc/network/interfaces, seems better. One should be regular, the other is back-to-back with another box, is there more I should do?
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17:56<tjoff>I'm trying to compile aufs for my kernel, not really sure what to do but I've "apt-get source aufs" and in the folder that was created I ran "make KDIR=/usr/src/linux- -f" (as root)
17:56<tjoff>is that a decent start?
17:56<tjoff>I'm asking because the result I get is this: which seems less than ideal
17:56<tjoff>(in the end my goal is to create a read-only root filesystem as this site explains it:
17:56<tjoff>but it requires that aufs is compiled in the kernel)
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17:57<paggas>maybe debhelper could relax its rules when the channel is relatively quiet? :|
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17:59<tjoff>^^ how fast was it, did I manage to get out 2 lines?
17:59<ml|>you got off four
18:00<tjoff>oh, that was basically it then
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18:37<adb>someone may change the topic to: 5.0.2 released ? thanks
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18:39<DaveLib>hello i am in the middle of a Lenny upgrade and i got a mesasage asking me to stop xscreensaver during this
18:40<adb>so , stop it
18:40<DaveLib>what is the command ?
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18:40<adb>y ?
18:40<DaveLib>sp,e scropt and you can say stop start restart6 etc
18:40<DaveLib>in init or somewhere i forgot
18:41<DaveLib>to stop and start services etc
18:41<ml|>how did you start it
18:41<DaveLib>it starts automatically when i reboot
18:41<adb>upgrade may manage it
18:41<sney>xscreensaver-command -exit
18:42<DaveLib>upgrade sent me a message for me to do it
18:42<DaveLib>i rememebr there is a directory somwewhere with files as names of commands
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18:42<DaveLib>and they are shell scripts
18:42<sney>I just told you what to do
18:43<DaveLib>and you do the script with arguments..
18:43<ml|>try what sney said
18:43<sney>/etc/rc.d has scripts, yes, but I don't think there's one for xscreensaver
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18:43<sney>er /etc/init.d
18:43<ml|>or turn ff n gnome
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18:44<ml|>*or turn off in gnome :(
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18:44<ml|>dpkg: wb
18:44<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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18:50<DaveLib>thanks sney xscreensaver-command -exit worked
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19:16<Smaffler>ml: just stopped back in to let ya know it all worked out. Had a minor issue with the folder not being visible for some reason, but other than it went over just fine. i replaced the .purple on lenny with the .purple from win2k and, for future reference, no issues whatsoever.
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19:17<ml|>great :)
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19:17<ml|>!congratulate Smaffler
19:17<dpkg>Good show Smaffler, you did it!
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19:18<Smaffler>lol thx. now don't mind me if i lurk and read. ;)
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19:18<ml|>Smaffler: to view dot files use ls -a, i find ls -la more useful man ls for more info
19:19<ml|>Smaffler: heh plenty of lurking people here ;)
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19:21<Smaffler>ml: i'm using KDE so i did his via konqueror. ls is a terminal command?
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19:22<ml|>konqueror should have some option to view hidden files anything with .infront is hidden
19:23<Smaffler>ok. i'm still pretty much all thumbs with the terminal so thanks for that :D
19:23<ml|>np we all started somewhere
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19:24<ml|>Smaffler: might want to jion #debian-kde for kde specific questions
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19:34<Smaffler>so I've been half-fiddling with the tower i put lenny on for about a month. and if it weren't for not know what i'm doing, i'd have been using it (this one) full-time forever ago cause damn i'm just in love.
19:34<ml|>the more you use it the more you will leran
19:36<Smaffler>ml: indeed. As of now, all data has been transferred to this machine. I think the transition is made a little easier by the fact that most software i use is available for or originated on Linux. so it's really just a matter of getting used to the OS.
19:36<Smaffler>which is a little daunting sometimes.
19:37<ml|>learn as you go, but when you have time read up on links from before man and google are you friends
19:37<bremner>Smaffler: don't worry, after 20 years or so, it becomes very intuitive :-)
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19:38<Smaffler>is now a good time to run away screaming?
19:38<ml|>no it's to late :)
19:40<Smaffler>tragic. Ah, well.
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19:40<Smaffler>how much compatibility is there between iceweasel and firefox addons?
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19:41<ml|>i haven't found a problem yet
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19:42<ml|>basically iceweasel=firefox with different icons
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19:42*Smaffler nods
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19:52<GhostlyDeath>What's the difference between arm and armel?
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19:55<s_i_m>it is in two last letters, obviously ;)
20:00<adb>GhostlyDeath: google say what ?
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20:03<hense>Hi. I have a problem with xmodmap on lenny. I use it to load some modifications to the keycodes in my xinitrc, but recently (been a long time since the last reboot so it could have been any update in the last few months), the changed settings do not seem to take effekt for any GTK+ applications. Any hints on what could cause this?
20:03<hense>I haven't found anything on the BTS pages for either gtk+ nor x11-xserver-utils (where xmodmap is from)
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20:08<Smaffler>en: hi
20:08<s_i_m>hense, what keys are affected?
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20:09<GhostlyDeath>adb: Nothing
20:09<hense>s_i_m: I'm redefining super to be iso level 3 shift
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20:09<hense>s_i_m: (I have a german macintosh keyboard)
20:10<hense>s_i_m: xev sees the keysims as I define them, just the gtk+ applications don't.
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20:10<GhostlyDeath>armel is Little endien but nothing clarifies what arm is
20:10<adb>GhostlyDeath: first link >
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20:13<GhostlyDeath>adb: All that tells me is that armeb is Big endian
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20:16<adb>paste from first link ...
20:16<adb> pasted*
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20:29<linuxmonkey>sup all
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20:30<linuxmonkey>I just had a quick question that I think I allready know the answer to...did BitchX get the axe because it wasnt updated from upstream?
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20:31<RedMaw>no clue
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20:33<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
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20:34<RedMaw>after adding another hdd when I start the system the loader can't find /dev, /root etc. Anyone know what needs to be done to resolve this issue?
20:35<jeremiah2>dpkg knows _everything_ :)
20:35<dpkg>jeremiah2: i haven't a clue
20:39<loudergood_>RedMaw: does it find it if you take the new drive out again?
20:39<linuxmonkey>irssi I think was better i love being at work on irc without the boss being any smarter :)
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20:40<RedMaw>once lenny is started I can access hdd from external enclosures but if it's an internal drive having any of them except the boot drive connected results in a failed startup
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20:42<linuxmonkey>RedMaw: just a question...SATA or IDE?
20:43<linuxmonkey>ok that just ruled out what I was thinking
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20:44<linuxmonkey>yeah XD is had a collegue have the same issue and it happened to be jumpers on the drives not set he spent 3 hours then called me, took me 2 min to find his problem...old ide...eck eck
20:46<RedMaw>recently had to remind myself how to set jumpers properly, then decided to just get another sata drive
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20:49<linuxmonkey>lol yeah thats a whole lot easyer...i tried to explain to a A+ certified guy,,i just gave up and said its something well before your time and then told him he should seek a new career path
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20:52<adb>linuxmonkey: btw, sata use jumpers too ? i never touched one
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20:52<RedMaw>no they don't
20:53<linuxmonkey>adb: yes they do, to restrict speed
20:53<adb>ah, thanks linuxmonkey
20:54<linuxmonkey>RedMaw: yeah but i do believe they are starting to remove that feature from newer drives
20:54<wmt>is it supported to boot from usb
20:54<wmt>like the installer
20:55<adb>!usb install
20:55<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at
20:56<wmt>the old one is the one i'm trying to use
20:56<wmt>adb, thanks
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20:57<linuxmonkey>RedMaw: I have a older computer at home that doest supper the faster speed and crashes the system unless I set the 1.5 limit on the sata
20:58<linuxmonkey>*doesn't support
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21:03<linuxmonkey>RedMaw: at least its not likt this motherboard I received once, the thing was just full of jumpers..i.e. what speed the processor was and other stuff,...the bios was almost bare as it was all set by jumpers...and none were set by default....i never bought a board from that manufacturer, i think they went under since...but i cant remember their name
21:04<RedMaw>rofl, that would be a pain
21:05<wmt>just a little
21:05<wmt>when was this though
21:05<wmt>like 96?
21:05<linuxmonkey>like 5 or 6 years ago
21:06<RedMaw>lol, would have thought was older then that
21:08<linuxmonkey>nope I was suprised too. atleast it wasnt as a pain of installing linux in 93..slackware :)
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21:17<RedMaw>lenny fails to load if I have more then one hdd connected, anyone know of what is wrong?
21:17<RedMaw>sata, no jumpers
21:18<RedMaw>"no jumpers" meaning I'm not using any
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21:19<wmt>no idea
21:19<RedMaw>thanks for trying
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21:19<gpm>is there a place other than cdimage.d.o to get daily built images? it seems to be a touch slow (maybe because of the lenny update?)
21:20<wmt>or whatever its called
21:21<gpm>i believe that's only for the current release, not for testing/dailies.
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21:23<gpm>oh no, you can jigdo it
21:23<gpm>but i can't even get to a directory listing on cdimage.d.o
21:23<gpm>which needs to be done to snag a jigdo file, which needs to be done before i jigdo the iso
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21:37<gpm>nobody knows...
21:38<ml|>for latest ...
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21:38<gpm>that page is timing out for me
21:38<gpm>is the thing
21:38<gpm>so i'm wondering if there's a frequently-updated mirror or somethin'
21:38<gpm>is it loading ok for you? maybe the problem is on my end
21:39<ml|>they mayube updating not coming up for me either
21:39<RedMaw>me neither
21:40<ml|>give it some time will come back soon or should be
21:41<adb> is down
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21:42<ml|>adb: gave up on trying xmonad?
21:44<adb>yes, but not so much "time"
21:44<ml|>ah hello btw
21:45<adb>ml|: greetings
21:45<ml|>adb: what do you use now?
21:46<adb>gnome ?
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21:46<ml|>heh you would know
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21:50<adb>ah , that's gnome , i forgeted
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21:53<adb>tks to [Jun 28 03:47:58] <vasi> found it!
21:53<ml|>!beer adb
21:53*dpkg pulls out a tasty Bornem Tripple for adb
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21:57<XMXM>j debian-boot
21:57<gpm>adb: gracias
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22:44<Zviper>that's where i get my servers from too.
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23:18<Piratero>scsi drives are expensive
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23:22<Piratero>is always up to date?
23:22<Piratero>or is there a better place for updates on different distros?
23:24<craigevil>distrowatch is usually pretty up to date
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23:37<dpkg>[ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ:
23:37<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>.
23:38<dpkg>somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about < etch> for instructions and see Usage examples: Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
23:39<RedMaw>somebody said that if I try to write to an ntfs drive with lenny I'm almost guaranteed to to corrupt the drive, is that true?
23:43<k1lumin4t1>Dude I'm not sure whose apartment I woke up in but I just showered here and their shampoo is phenomenal
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23:46<eremite00>I'm getting a strange error when I try to run update-manager. It complains about not being about to find /home/root
23:46<eremite00>But root's home folder should be just /root/, correct?
23:47<elias>I think so
23:47<eremite00>if I echo the $HOME enviro variable as root, it give me /home/root
23:47<Nemoder>I'm not that familiar with update-manager but I believe it's meant to be run as a regular user and then sudo to do the updates
23:48<eremite00>So somehow that variable got mixed up, which is probably causing the whole mess. Where is $HOME set?
23:48<eremite00>Nemoder, Right, that's what I'm doing, but sudo just runs a process as root, right?
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23:50<Nemoder>yeah.. I'm not sure where $HOME is set, might check /etc/profile or /root/.profile
23:50<eremite00>I checked those... no dice
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23:57<stroyan>sudo itself will sometimes set HOME. Look at "man sudo" and the "-H" option.
23:58<adb>eremite00 gone ..
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23:59<chzo>pppoeconf doesn't work... :|
23:59<gsimmons>dpkg: tell chzo -about doesn't work
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