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00:00<interbird>Student: what lan-card was it you use ?
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00:00<ac_slater>anyone here using ath9k
00:00<mrrangerman43>I just installed debian 5.0 amd64 I'm trying to get rid of swfdec when I mark for removal it wants to remove gnome and gnome-desktop
00:01<mrrangerman43>any ideas?
00:02<interbird>man dpkg (--force)
00:02<ac_slater>sudo apt-get autoremove swfdec
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00:03<mrrangerman43>it tells me it can't find package
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00:04<sney`>if apt can't find a package you know exists, update
00:04<mrrangerman43>I tried aptitude purge
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00:04<ac_slater>im a n00b with deb... im an archlinux fan, but just switched
00:04<interbird>dpkg --list|grep swfdec does not show it ?
00:04<dpkg>interbird: are you smoking crack?
00:04<ac_slater>i assume
00:05*interbird smokes all that is loose or fast
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00:06<mrrangerman43>yes it show libswfdec
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00:08*interbird bids dpkg for a non-aggression pact
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00:09<mrrangerman43>I just don't want to toast gnome
00:10<interbird>what do you want to accomplish ?
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00:11<mrrangerman43>I want to install flash_player
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00:13<interbird>start synaptic; search for flash; if the adobe non-free plugin is not there, then use the one from the adobe-site; does this help ?
00:14<interbird>remove all swfdec and gnas stuff; better yet, don't use flash at all, but hey, i know, youtube..............
00:16<craigevil>!tell mrrangerman43 about Adobe Flash
00:17<mrrangerman43>I'm trying to remove swfdec ....but when I mark it for removal synaptic wants to remove Gnome and Gnome-desktop
00:18<mrrangerman43>craigevil yes I know about Adobe Flash but Iceweasle default to swfdec so I need to get rid of it
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00:19<mrrangerman43>didn't have any problem removing it from the 32bit debian but for some reason this install doesn't want to let go of it.
00:20<craigevil>mrrangerman43: you can install flash and leave swfdec, just do update-alternatives --config and pick the one you want to use
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00:21<interbird>gnome and gnome-desktop are possibly metapackages; look in synaptic which packages they contain; i don't have even the gnome package installed; otherwise, note the packages it will remove, uninstall swfdec etc and just reinstall them. this is not a "good" advice but it might work for you
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00:24<interbird>if you leave sfwdec you might have to set iceweasel preferences for flash to use the adobe-flash instead of swfdec; preferences or about:preferences
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00:24<interbird>(in iceweasel)
00:25<mrrangerman43>craigevil: thanks that's the first I've heard of that command. I'll give it a try
00:26<interbird>about:preferences does not work in iceweasel, sorry
00:27<interbird>it's: about:config
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00:29<interbird>man update-alternatives
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00:30<interbird>(man alternatives should link to this one but does not, would be user-friendly i think)
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00:31<Guest1090>I have abided by yet i cannot get my wifi card working for my AR242x. It works for backtrack3, and i know it's not the router side. other hosts are connected
00:32<interbird>come online, say hi, then change nick and ask a question; this is not MSN
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00:33<SpiderWoman>i dont have sound on lenny, and i need help
00:33<interbird>change the speaker-icon preferences to pcm (?)
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00:35<SpiderWoman>this icon have an X and dont works
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00:36<adb>click on X
00:36<adb>X icon
00:36<interbird>on the icon: right mouse, choose preferences; choose pcm. does that help ?
00:37<interbird>(then move-up the volume with the mouse-scroll)
00:37<interbird>also, unmute it
00:38<SpiderWoman>look El control de volumen no encontró ningún elemento y/o dispositivo que controlar. Esto significa que no tiene los complementos correctos de GStreamer instalados o que no tiene una tarjeta de sonido configurada.
00:38<SpiderWoman>Puede quitar el control de volumen del panel pulsando con el botón derecho sobre el icono del altavoz en el panel y seleccionando «Quitar del panel» del menú.
00:38<Zviper>oo i've always wanted to do this
00:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:39<interbird>shit! "inline" lang-change...
00:39<interbird>maybe (s)he's Esparanto
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00:40<SpiderWoman>interbird can you help me with my problem?
00:41<interbird>is there a red cross in the speaker icon ?
00:42<interbird>if you click on the icon, and you get the volume-bar, and you move it up, does the red cross go away ?
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00:43<reptile_>I have abided by yet i cannot get my wifi card working for my AR242x. It
00:43<reptile_> works for backtrack3, and i know it's not the router side. other hosts are connected
00:43<SpiderWoman>the red cross dont desaparear
00:43<interbird>if you right-click on the icon and choose preferences, and it says master, can you change it to pcm ?
00:44<interbird>and then try again ?
00:44<interbird>if that does not work,open a terminal
00:44<scroat>why does my wifi card work on backtrack3 but not debian? i did everything on
00:44<SpiderWoman>preferences will not open
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00:45<SpiderWoman>what write in the terminal?
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00:46<interbird>ls -la /dev/dsp
00:46<kapil>scroat: changing name frequently will not help!
00:47<SpiderWoman>can not access to / dev / dsp:
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00:47<interbird>the opposite is the case
00:47<kapil>scroat: in particular, did you note that current lenny rc2 kernels may not work properly in some cases.
00:48<kapil>"The bug is fixed in, but you will have to
00:48<kapil>compile an up-to-date kernel yourself until one becomes available .."
00:48<scroat>kapil: do i get the kernel from
00:48<scroat>or should i use Debians package manager
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00:50<kapil>i suppose you need from you can use the debian kernel patches with make-kpkg to get an "almost" debian kernel.
00:50<interbird>SpiderWoman: ls -la /dev/adsp ?
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00:50<interbird>SpiderWoman: does lspci show any line that might be your soundcard? (look for audio, ac'97, whatever...)
00:51<kapil>alternatively, until this is fixed you may be better off sticking with the (non-free) madwifi drivers.
00:51<interbird>so, in essence, is your card recognised ?
00:51<SpiderWoman>Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 05)
00:52<SpiderWoman>yes because when i executed alsaconf this window show my audio card
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00:54<interbird>SpiderWoman: looks good, is intel afaik, my guess is you have not setup alsa correctly; try the moo program to check if you have audio
00:54<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
00:57<interbird>moo in openoffice for a sound-check? (that does not compute; moo command should be present)
00:58<interbird>proposal: moo command independant of office-install...
00:59<SpiderWoman>how execute or instal this program
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01:00<cahoot>SpiderWoman: just run speaker-test -t wav -c2
01:01<kapil>SpiderWoman: or run "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav"
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01:01<interbird>aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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01:02<interbird>or like kapil said
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01:02<SpiderWoman>ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default
01:02<SpiderWoman>aplay: main:564: audio open error
01:02<interbird>does that sound ok ?
01:02<interbird>no hardware
01:02<interbird>no driver
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01:03<adb> .. no sound
01:03<interbird>what is the driver to modprobe for 8201ba?
01:03<adb>judd: pciid 820:1ba
01:03<judd>adb: Error: I don't know what you mean by PCI Id '820:1ba'. 0000:0000 is my preferred format where both vendor Id and device Id are are in hexadecimal.
01:03<cahoot>SpiderWoman: any card listed by: cat /proc/asound/cards?
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01:04<SpiderWoman>--- no soundcards ---
01:04<cahoot>SpiderWoman: try modprobe snd-hda-intel
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01:05<cahoot>SpiderWoman: then cat /proc/asound/cards
01:05<SpiderWoman>the same --- no soundcards ---
01:06<adb> lspci -nn | grep Aud
01:06<SpiderWoman>00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:2445] (rev 05)
01:06<jm_>wow I thought only spiderman exists
01:06<adb>judd: pciid 8086:2445
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01:07<judd>adb: [8086:2445] is '82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also
01:07<interbird>modprobe snd-intel8x0 Spider
01:07<adb>lsmod | grep snd-intel8x0
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01:08<interbird>then do cat /proc/asound/cards again
01:08<SpiderWoman>--- no soundcards ---
01:08<adb>dmesg ?
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01:09<cahoot>SpiderWoman: you haven't installed any other sound card 'drivers' by chance?
01:10<SpiderWoman>no, also i dont know what happen because the sound was perfect 15 or 20 days ago
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01:11<interbird>cahoot: /dev/dsp is not there with spider, any other devices to check you know of (adsp?)
01:11<adb>SpiderWoman: integrate sound chip ?
01:11<cahoot>that's oss compat devices - not primarily alsa
01:11<SpiderWoman>yes adb
01:12<adb>so it is died
01:13<interbird>cahoot: ok, i thought moo put some sound on the raw device? or is it also/oss routed if you know ?
01:13<SpiderWoman>i thougth that but is not posible fix it?
01:13<adb>SpiderWoman: uname -r
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01:14<SpiderWoman>why you need that adb?
01:15<adb>try different kernel too , before buy a new PCI sound card
01:15<SpiderWoman>interbird is not posible fix my sound card?
01:17<interbird>SpiderWoman: strange thing; your card shows in lspci but no device in /dev seems to be present for it and no module seems to be loaded for it; sure it can be fixed...
01:18<adb>SpiderWoman: uname -r
01:18<SpiderWoman>how fixed it interbird ?
01:19<SpiderWoman>you know?
01:19<adb>SpiderWoman: module come from kernel , so what's your kernel ?
01:19<interbird> /proc also does not see the card, so howcome lspci does ?
01:19<jm_>/proc/asound is created when alsa modules are loaded ...
01:19<interbird>sorry. started with a "/", just checking...
01:20<interbird>jm_: so, why does lspci emumberate the card ?
01:20<interbird>lspci uses proc, not ?
01:20<jm_>interbird: because it's present on PCI bus
01:21<interbird>so the right module is not loaded?
01:21<jm_>newer versions use /sys
01:21<interbird>it's an intel (regular)
01:22<interbird>seems hardware is there but correct module is not loaded; two modprobes have been tries ^^; i'm kinda out of ....
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01:24<jm_>it's impossible to help people who, when asked to provide output of certain commands, reply with "why do you need this?"
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01:28<mhash>jm, :)
01:29<ml|>heh, i have a feeling that SpiderWoman might not been using debian, but we will never know
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01:29<cahoot><SpiderWoman> i dont have sound on lenny, and i need help
01:30<interbird>SpiderWoman: can you paste the line: lspci | grep 82801 here ? (once more)
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01:30<adb>[ 07:23:11] * SpiderWoman has qui
01:30<ml|>cahoot: yes anbody can say that tho, and if so why not provide kernel version
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01:32<interbird>no agree; hardware ware there (lspci) but device/module was not; i thought (s)he had a valid problem
01:33<interbird>hmm, agreed on the 'fscking part'
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01:43<adb>was no answord to `[ 07:03:57] <adb> lsmod | grep snd-intel8x0`
01:44<adb>used a custom kernel w/o any sound ?
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01:48<interbird>let's move on, shall we ?
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01:48<Zviper>i'd laugh if it was a server they were trying to get sound on
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02:06<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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02:19<Jessica_>wanna see my pussy?
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02:22<scroat> where's make-kpkg ? it's not even in the repos
02:22<scroat> where's make-kpkg ? it's not even in the repos
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02:23<jm_>!tell scroat -about search
02:23<scroat>like i said, it's not listed under apt-cache search
02:23<jm_>ok so don't read what dpkg told you
02:23<scroat>found it
02:24<scroat>i hate reading
02:24*scroat hates reading
02:24<interbird>to read is to know
02:25<ottoshmidt>my archive manager doesn't seem to support rar?
02:25<ottoshmidt>how can I extract it?
02:26<jm_>do you have rar or unrar installed?
02:26<interbird>install the rar packages - ifaik they are not free software
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02:26<interbird>rar & unrar
02:26<jm_>they are available in non-free, then there's free version of unrar
02:26<ottoshmidt>installed unrar-free but didn't do the trick
02:27<interbird>is there a free version of them jm_ ?
02:27<jm_>yes it can't handle all archives so go with rar or unrar
02:27<jm_>interbird: just unrar, but it's limited in what it can do
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02:28<interbird>good to know
02:28<ottoshmidt>jm, rar doesn't seem to be in my synaptic
02:29<adb>ottoshmidt: add non-free sources
02:29<jm_>ottoshmidt: like I said, it's in non-free
02:29<joe__>!tell me about unrar
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02:29<|_cls_|>apt-get install unrar
02:29<|_cls_|>unrar -e archivefile.rar
02:29<|_cls_|>unrar e archivefile.rar
02:29<|_cls_|>i mean
02:30<ottoshmidt>ok installing
02:30<ottoshmidt>btw non-free means someone had to pay for them?
02:30<ottoshmidt>or the it's freely distributed, but not open-source
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02:31<dpkg>free is probably defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or, or, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>.
02:31<jm_>check /usr/share/doc/<pkg?copyright - for rar it means you need to pay money if you use it
02:31<jm_><pkg>/copyright even
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02:33<ottoshmidt>thanks for help
02:33<jm_>no worries
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03:22<mantra>help privoxy quit working with tor
03:22<mantra>and i dont believe either was recently updated!
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03:22<mantra>i tried rebooting
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03:23<mantra>trying to reach any page on iceweasel with torbutton returns server cant be reached
03:23<jm_>does privoxy alone work?
03:24<mantra>i dont know
03:24<mantra>how can i test that
03:24<mantra>it is running
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03:26<mantra>actually tor recently updated
03:27<mantra>could it be tor thats messing up?
03:27<mantra>even though the 'server cant be reached' page is the firefox one and not the privoxy one
03:27<jm_>http_proxy=http://localhost:8118/ wget
03:28<mantra>ERROR 503: Forwarding failure.
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03:28<mantra>privoxy refused the connection
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03:29<mantra>god privoxy is so buggy, tor should use something else
03:29<jm_>is privoxy configured to connect to tor then?
03:29<mantra>i just checked
03:29<jm_>well then it's not privoxy where the problem is
03:30<mantra>so how would i fix tor?
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03:35<mantra>how can i find out whats wrong with tor?
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03:37<mantra>wait,isnt it privoxy since privoxy refused the connection??
03:38<mantra>yeah its definitely privoxy
03:38<mantra>i can connect to sites fine directly through tor
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03:40<rodnet>sup all
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03:41<rodnet>does anyone know how to index a apapche share of mp3s into a .mp3 file?
03:42<jm_>if it's privoxy you should see the word privoxy in your browser when you try to access web pages via it
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03:42<rodnet>sorry i mean into a playlist file
03:42<jm_>rodnet: playlist file is just a list of filenames
03:43<rodnet>yea i know
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03:43<mantra>then why can i access pages when i go directly through tor?
03:43<rodnet>but i have a big index of mp3s
03:44<rodnet>and want to basicaly turn the whole share into a big m3u file
03:44<mantra>i see the work proxy
03:44<rodnet>contaning each url of each mp3
03:44<jm_>I wouldn't know, it might be accessing it in a different way
03:44<mantra>it says, 'Proxy Server Refused Connection'
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03:44<wgcui>I think the gnome start is too slow,does anyone know why
03:44<rodnet>i suppose i could grep the html
03:44<jm_>what is configured as proxy?
03:45<rodnet>but thers subdirectorys
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03:45<jm_>well html probably just references files, so it would be easier to generate the list using find + sed
03:46<mantra>im using torbutton
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03:47<jm_>well wget certainly wasn't refused a connection, or you'd get a different error
03:47<mantra>yeah it was
03:47<mantra>Connecting to localhost||:8118... failed: Connection refused.
03:48<mantra>Connecting to localhost|::1|:8118... connected.
03:48<mantra>Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 503 Forwarding failure
03:48<rodnet>i think the only solution wouldbe to wget mirror all the htm on the share
03:48<jm_>ahh yes, so don't mention error message, they are completely useless ...
03:48<rodnet>than use find on all the html files
03:48<jm_>it means it's not listening on ipv4, port 8118
03:48<rodnet>or dump all the html into one file
03:49<mantra>so how do i enable ipv4?
03:49<rodnet>i just figured there might be a prgoram to do this
03:49<jm_>but it obviously is on ipv6, but perhaps doesn't allow ipv6 connections (not sure since I never used ipv6 with it)
03:49<rodnet>not finding much in google
03:50<jm_>check listen-address directive in privoxy config file
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03:51<jm_>interesting, check its logfile - it obviously wasn't able to listen on it
03:51<mantra>i have logs disabled
03:52<jm_>you'll want to enable that and dpossibly debugging to see what is going on
03:52<rodnet>think i found a solutin wget --spider --force-html -i bookmarks..m3u
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03:53<joe__>i use TVersity on my windows box to stream movies to my PS3, is there a good program like that for linux?
03:54<joe__>!tell me about dlna
03:54<joe__>!tell me about ps3
03:54<locklace>!tell joe__ about selftell
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03:58<mantra>ok i figured it out
03:58<mantra>privoxy is only listening on ipv6
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03:58<mantra>because localhost is directing to ipv6?
03:59<mantra>my /etc/hosts says
03:59<mantra>::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
03:59<mantra>fe00::0 ip6-localnet
03:59<mantra>ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
03:59<mantra>ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
03:59<mantra>ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
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04:01<mantra>ok so my /etc/hosts has a line that says
04:01<mantra>::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
04:02<mantra>should i comment that out?
04:02<mantra>i believe its making localhost on my privoxy config mess up
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04:11<jm_>i think your /etc/hosts also lists because that's where wget connected, sometimes ipv6 localhost is called localhost6
04:12<locklace>he vanished
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04:13<locklace>anyway, the correct solution is to set "listen-address" in /etc/privoxy/config
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04:13<jm_>right or change proxy setting in browser
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04:14<locklace>not unless you want it using v6
04:16<jm_>I fail to follow you - in that case specifying listen-address as ipv4 will not help either
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04:18<locklace>he's got privoxy listening on v6 only and is trying to connect to it via v4. he can either connect to it via v6 instead (with the browser proxy setting) or use the above config to tell privoxy to bind to v4.
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04:20<jm_>yes, so now you said via the browser proxy setting which is what I recommended earlier
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04:21<locklace>but that's only if you're happy using v6 for the proxy; i'd rather not. and using the name "localhost" is causing more and more problems these days with various apps because of the double v4/v6 binding, so an explicit address should be used instead in any case
04:22<jm_>absolutely, how they got such a setup is beyond me
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04:23<jm_>must be yet another example who thinks using ipv6 or tor will hide everything they do
04:23<locklace>that's how things come with debian out of the box
04:24<locklace>i've never used v6, but i've got the same double binding in /etc/hosts and ipv6 module and associated stuff enabled because that was all the default
04:24<jm_>hmm none of my installs do that, I was wondering why, but can't be arsed finding out
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04:25<jm_>I remember in the past it asked you about ipv6 during install time
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04:29<locklace>funny thing is that the line for ipv6 it shows there also has "localhost" listed in my hosts file
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04:29<locklace>so that may have been a bug that was subsequently fixed. seen a lot of people run into it
04:30<locklace>(or maybe that's still the way it is and the reference isn't representative)
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04:35<haret>rus chanal is debian-ru ?
04:35<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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04:42<duke>hello where are the firefox logfiles stored cant find :/
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04:44<Guest1100>wtf :o
04:45<petern>firefox has logfiles?
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04:50<Guest1100>clients cant have logfiles?
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04:55<petemc>Guest1100: launch iceweasel from a terminal and you may get some info
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04:58<Guest1100>you using iceweasel?
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04:59<petemc>Guest1100: are you using debian?
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05:03<petemc>then ask in ubuntu
05:03<Guest1100>maybe i just need newest java version
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05:08<petern>maybe you just need the newest debian version :D
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05:39<osike>i have a long command saved in a file, how do i copy it to the command line without using gpm?
05:40<petemc>you can use screen
05:40<petemc>but cant you just make the file executable?
05:40<jm_>no need to just sh file
05:40<osike>jm: sh file?
05:40<osike>jm_: sh file?
05:40<jm_>osike: yes, sh filename
05:41<jm_>to execute it that is
05:41<osike>oh, i don't want to run the file. i want to have it available and modify it then run it again and again
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05:43<osike>a trick could be using "cat $file >> ~/.bash_history; exit" then login. but i was wondering if there was an application that did just that.
05:43<osike>just what i said above, not the history trick
05:44<osike>or is there any way to reload the ~/.bash_history file?
05:47<jm_>history command can do that
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05:49<gueano>maybe sh < filename is better.
05:49<osike>jm_: i don't find "reload" in $(man history). do i simply run "history"?
05:49<osike>gueano: why? does it add it to ~/.bash_history?
05:53<gueano>no, this just execute command you saved in the file
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05:57<jm_>osike: try help history instead
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06:25<enouf>osike: ctrl-r and start typing a unique part of the command, then after that, keep ctrl-r till you get to it, hit enter ... then up arrow to run it again ;-)
06:26<osike>enouf: it's not like i didn't find it on my history list
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06:28<enouf>osike: or .. you could cheat like i do sometimes and open the file with nano, then ^K (cut line) and ^U (repaste the cut line) or just ^X and 'n' to exit without saving changes, but now it's in your buffer :-P (how convoluted is that!)
06:28<osike>thank you
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06:30<osike>enouf: it's in my buffer, but how can i access it?
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06:33<dr|z3d>osike: Try a Ctrl+V.
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06:46<enouf>osike: shift+insert, or maybe ctrl-Y ?
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06:47<mre>can anyone here help me with this dmesg error: iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch ; my killswitch is off (the LED light is on), so the wireless should be working
06:47<mre>i'm on lenny using the backport iwl driver
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06:49<jm_>have you tried following the wiki? why backport since this driver is in the upstream kernel?
06:49<mre>jm_: cause the lenny one didn't work for me either
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06:49<mre>i thought that maybe a naewer backported driver would work...
06:50<mre>and i read every debian help and ubuntu forum there is, still no solution in sight
06:50<jm_>mre: lenny has iwlwifi driver for it
06:50<enouf>backported kernel you mean?
06:50<mre>no, firmware-iwlwifi
06:50<enouf>there's a 29 lenny-backports linux-image, IINM
06:51<mre>aha, so you think i shoult try that kernel?
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06:51<jm_>which driver are you using, ipw3945 or iwl-wifi?
06:51<jm_>ok so the newer one, that's good
06:51<enouf>mre: maybe something in the 'parms' of modinfo iwl3945 you can set/pass as an option?
06:51<mre>ipw went out of business with 2.6.24, i think
06:51<krazykit>maybe your hardware switch is dodgy?
06:52<jm_>and iwl3945 module is loaded?
06:52<mre>krazykit, a lot of people got this error so dunno if it's the switch's error
06:52<enouf>mre: you have an on/off external wifi switch? :-) (laptop?)
06:52<mre>and it's on the working mode right now
06:53<enouf>answer jm_
06:53<blast_hardcheese>I'm sure this has been discussed before, but just to make sure; I just did a dist-upgrade on my lenny box, it insisted it wanted to upgrade to apt (with a squeeze revision number). It ended up uninstalling everything I had related to apt, (aptitude, apt-show-versions, debtags, etc) and I had to pin the lenny1 version to get my system functional again.
06:53<mre>jm_, yea, modprobe lists it
06:53<enouf>mre: lsmod
06:53<mre>yea, lsmod :D
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06:54<krazykit>does flipping the switch to "off" output to dmesg?
06:54<mre>lemme see
06:54<jm_>blast_hardcheese: indeed
06:54<krazykit>it would be kind of funny if your switch was just backwards :)
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06:54<mre>nope...dmesg remains the same :P
06:55<mre>only of i rmmod it and and modprobe it again it does something
06:55<krazykit>and flipping it on again?
06:55<enouf>blast_hardcheese: does /etc/apt/apt.conf* have anything about APT::Default-Release ?
06:55<mre>yea i tried on, off and again on
06:55<mre>dmesg doesn't change
06:55<blast_hardcheese>enouf: Nope, that was the first thing I checked.
06:55<enouf>blast_hardcheese: did/do you have anything in sources.list pointing to testing/squeeze ?
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06:56<blast_hardcheese>I googled around for a bit and found that other people have been experiencing this issue.
06:56<blast_hardcheese>enouf: Nothing on my entire box thinks it should be running (or sourcing) squeeze
06:56<enouf>blast_hardcheese: i'm asking if you ran a dist-upgrade with the intention of upgrading to testing or not
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06:56<blast_hardcheese>Oh, no. I did a dist-upgrade because I was still on etch
06:57<dpkg>dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist-upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>
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06:57<enouf>wait, what?
06:57<blast_hardcheese>I wanted to go from etch to lenny
06:57<enouf>"I just did a dist-upgrade "
06:57<mre>wait...2.6.30 in backports
06:57<enouf> on my lenny box,
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06:57<mre>anyone tried it?
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06:57<jm_>that apt bug is in BTS
06:58<enouf>mre: it's in Sid, i didn't know it was in bpo
06:58<blast_hardcheese>enouf: Ok fine. What I did was I had an etch box, I dist-upgraded to lenny. I noticed there were some unresolved dependencies, so I dist-upgraded again
06:58<mre>lemme get it :D
06:58<blast_hardcheese>it resolved them by breaking my system
06:59<enouf>heh .. you read the /msg dpkg etch->lenny eh? but perhaps as jm_ is mentioning, it's a known issue
06:59<jm_>that sounds unlikely, the bug we know about was in squeeze/sid
06:59<jm_>enouf: nope, not for lenny
06:59*enouf withdraws last half of last statement :-P
06:59<krazykit>mre, you could "modprobe iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=1"
07:00<mre>krazykit, did that
07:00<mre>got that tip in the ubuntuforums
07:00<mre>not working
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07:00<krazykit>have you hunted around in /sys for a wireless-related setting?
07:00<krazykit>maybe you could trip the switch that way
07:00<blast_hardcheese>jm_: How am I experiencing it then? I've got the official debian repos and backports, both referencing 'stable'
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07:01<enouf>mre: try adding it (options iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=1) to /etc/modprobe.d/iwl3945-options
07:02<enouf>mre: since the firmware getting loaded early might muck with a manual modprobe later on .. but wth do i know
07:02<mre>wait...wut...i don't have that file
07:02<jm_>blast_hardcheese: I am not saying you're not hitting a problem, just that what we know about doesn't affect lenny, I will try to find the bug number
07:02<enouf>mre: you have the dir/
07:02<enouf>mre: you create the filename
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07:02<enouf>doesn't matter what you call the filename
07:03<mre>thought it ought to be there
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07:03<enouf>mre: make sure you have no /etc/modules.conf nor /etc/modprobe.conf
07:03<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Ah, I see. I might just update to testing anyway, there are some packages I've been waiting for that have /still/ not gotten into stable.
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07:03<enouf>otherwise those will supercede /etc/modprobe.d/
07:03<mre>nope, none
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07:04<mre>enouf, what do i enter in that file? "options iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=12"?
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07:05<mre>enouf, what do i enter in that file? "options iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=1"?
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07:05<enouf>blast_hardcheese: perhaps you wanted/need an entry like this in /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Default-Release 'Stable'
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07:05<enouf>APT::Default-Release Stable"
07:05<enouf>APT::Default-Release "Stable";
07:06<krazykit>mre, i would try the latter one first, then maybe "disable=0" instead of disable_hw_scan
07:06<krazykit>as i saw that option in a launchpad post
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07:06<enouf>yeah, no caps -sorry
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07:06<blast_hardcheese>No worries
07:06<blast_hardcheese>as am I
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07:08<enouf>mre: krazykit seems knowledgeable, i mentioned all i could possibly help with already
07:08*krazykit isn't saying anything he didn't find on google
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07:09<mre>let me restart to the new kernel....tty in 5 min
07:09<jm_>blast_hardcheese: this was the one hitting squeeze, but has been fixed a while ago:
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07:09<krazykit>and i have to get ready for work now, so good look mre.
07:09<krazykit>i'll still be around for a few, anyway
07:09<Fencer^>I have one problem :D If i have shell connection to my server, how can i allow the user hello to not get anywhere than hes own home directory?
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07:10<jm_>Fencer^: they won't be able to do much then
07:10<Fencer^>Well ye
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07:10<enouf>krazykit: sounds almost like the cable is backwards :-P (i know, i know .. wifi .. heh, but like he's using a null modem cable :-P)
07:10<Fencer^>But i dont want them to do anything else than be in their home directory :D Like if i provide shell connections to everyone
07:10<Fencer^>you know
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07:11<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Here's the weird thing, /etc/debian_version says 5.0.2, but the message I get on my VTs says 4.0
07:11<enouf>krazykit: although, maybe his interfaces file needs mode=managed or whatever? no idea man
07:11<Fencer^>I want them just stay in /home/user directory no where else
07:11<jm_>blast_hardcheese: that's cause login hasn't been restarted on that particular tty
07:11<krazykit>if dmesg is saying the HW kill switch is enabled, that's the problem. it doesn't matter what interfaces says
07:11<blast_hardcheese>jm_: I rebooted my machine, since I needed a new kernel
07:11<jm_>blast_hardcheese: which is the exact version of apt it was trying to install?
07:11<krazykit>dmesg will spit the same thing at me if i flip my HW kill switch :)
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07:11<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Let me look through the logs
07:12<enouf>krazykit: haha
07:12<jm_>blast_hardcheese: then your /etc/issue file is not updated
07:12<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Preparing to replace apt (using .../apt_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb) ...
07:12<enouf>why did you have a squeeze version?
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07:13<jm_>blast_hardcheese: right so that's not an upgrade from etch to lenny, that's some mess :)
07:13<enouf>no, bpo would say it was such, not squeeze
07:13<jm_>and that's exactly the version that the bug I mentioned is about
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07:13<jm_>blast_hardcheese: ^^^^^
07:14<blast_hardcheese>I can pastebin my sources.list if you'd like
07:14<blast_hardcheese>I swear I'm not doing anything weird
07:14<enouf>blast_hardcheese: but you might have in the past :-P
07:14<mre>still not working
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07:14<mre>i tried the disabled=0 option
07:14<jm_>well no, don't need them, but if you had squeeze you will need to downgrade some stuff manually
07:14<blast_hardcheese>I have never had squeeze on this box
07:14<mre>it's kinda telling me that the killswitch is on :P
07:14<Snowember>how can I roll back an upgrade, more specifically the xorg that happened recently?
07:15<jm_>sure you had :)
07:15<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Betcha I didn't
07:15<krazykit>mre, my last suggestion before i have to leave would be to check the BIOS settings (just to be sure) and to hunt around in /sys, especially /sys/class/pci_bus and /sys/bus/platform for something related
07:15<mre>in BIOS it's enabled and it's working in Windows
07:15<jm_>blast_hardcheese: dpkg disagrees with you ;)
07:16<krazykit>mre, the good news, then, is it's a software issue since that's the case
07:16<Fencer^>So is there any solution for my problem :D
07:16<mre>yea, it was working with etch
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07:16<jm_>Fencer^: chroot, but it's not very practical
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07:16<blast_hardcheese>oh noez, I have libsasl from squeeze in dpkg -l
07:16<mre>but with the new iwl driver....well not anymore
07:16<blast_hardcheese>jm_: halp!
07:17<mre>if only i had it so easy like the atheros people have it with madwifi
07:17<enouf>mre: try iwlwifi? or tried the 30 from BPO yet? try changing the modprobe.d/filename contents to "options iwl3945 disable_hw_scan=1"
07:17<mre>enouf, yea, curently running 30
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07:17<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
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07:18<blast_hardcheese>jm_: (Coincidentally, my xfs RAID has stopped existing after doing that dist-upgrade)
07:18<jm_>blast_hardcheese: well first decide what you want to do now
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07:19<blast_hardcheese>Well, I'd like to be on lenny for a bit before jumping to squeeze.
07:19<mre>enouf, yea, i got firmware-iwlwifi installed
07:19<enouf>blast_hardcheese: what does /etc/default/mdadm setting say about INITRDSTART= and AUTOSTART=
07:19<jm_>so put lenny in sources.list and default-release, then do apt-get update, then find out which packages are not at version in lenny and reinstall them
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07:20<mre>enouf, i could try and compile it from source....
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07:20<blast_hardcheese>enouf: I apologize, I realized shortly after saying that I hadn't checked to see if mdadm, lvm, and xfs were all functioning correctly,
07:20<blast_hardcheese>enouf: I noticed lvm wasn't running and started it, everything's fine now
07:20<blast_hardcheese>jm_: OK, I'll do that now
07:20<Fencer^>jm, how would it work if using chroot?
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07:21<mre>wait, BPO firmware-iwlwifi is 0.16, sid is 1.17
07:21<mre>i mean 0.17
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07:21<jm_>Fencer^: what do you mean how?
07:21<jm_>blast_hardcheese: apt-show-versions might help
07:21<Fencer^>Any practical tutorial
07:22<dpkg>well, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
07:22<jm_>right that one
07:22<enouf>Fencer^: you might want /msg dpkg linux-vserver
07:22<Fencer^>The requested URL /doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html was not found on this server.
07:22<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Oh, this is interesting
07:22<blast_hardcheese>deb testing/updates main contrib non-free
07:23<blast_hardcheese>enouf: Shush :)
07:23<jm_>blast_hardcheese: hah, busted!
07:23*blast_hardcheese hangs head
07:23<enouf>mre: the idea of a BPO kernel is to work with Lenny software/pkg versions
07:23<jm_>blast_hardcheese: I think having default-release would prevent this from happening
07:23<jm_>having d-r set that is
07:23<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Yeah, it would have.
07:24<enouf>mre: though ... well ...
07:24<mre>enouf, i know, but in this case.... :D
07:24<jm_>blast_hardcheese: but it's also a bitch to remember when you *do* want to dist-upgrade
07:24<mre>besides, i got no idea how to compile this intel driver
07:24<blast_hardcheese>jm_: I've used d-r before, but for some reason hadn't gotten around to putting it on this machine
07:24<mre>it's kinda some binaries in it and that's it
07:24<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Well, eventually I'll have all my machines controlled via puppet
07:24<blast_hardcheese>then I won't need to remember which machines are what.
07:25<jm_>blast_hardcheese: no, I meant to remember to change default-release setting when needed :)
07:25<blast_hardcheese>jm_: Yeah, I know
07:25<mre>let's see now
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07:25<blast_hardcheese>I meant that my machine would have those settings set automatically from my puppet config
07:25<jm_>ahh right
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07:28<blast_hardcheese>I'm glad I caught this before there were major problems.
07:28<blast_hardcheese>Thanks enouf, jm_
07:28<mre>nope....same crap
07:29<mre>think i should try the sid kernel?
07:29<enouf>mre: on Lenny? not really :-P
07:30<locklace>mre: yes
07:31<mre>heh :D
07:31<mre>well...let's try... :D
07:31<enouf>mre: is that the correct firmware?
07:31<enouf>mre: try disabling it in the BIOS
07:31<enouf>mre: the whatever switch you and krazykit mentioned
07:32<jm_>blast_hardcheese: no worries
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07:34<enouf>judd: version libc6
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07:34<judd>enouf: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot.
07:34<enouf>judd: versions libc6
07:34<judd>enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-18
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07:46<enouf>one more thing is try the kernel boot param pci=nommconf .. but it might break other shit .. temporarily .. see /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt and /Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt ?
07:46<enouf>bah .. he's not here
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08:05<mre>it was a f*cking BIOS setting
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08:05<mre>i had to change siwtch LAN/WLAN from enabled to disabled and it works with 30 BPO and firmware-iwlwifi BPO
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08:07<enouf>mre: nice
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08:08*enouf wonders how well his windows setup will like that oI^^Io
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08:21<Slurb>theres a bug in lenny that doesnt allow the cpu-freq to be changed to powersave at boot with the sysfs.conf file
08:22<Slurb>i could change it after boot with an echo > sysfs.conf
08:23<Slurb>a workaround is disabling freq control in the bios
08:23<jm_>Slurb: kernel bug or procps bug?
08:23<Slurb>i meant performance
08:23<Slurb>performance not powersave
08:24<Slurb>i never saw an error
08:24<jm_>perhaps it's because the module is not loaded at that time
08:24<Slurb>said it was updating sys with sysfs.conf but always started in ondemand
08:25<Slurb>there is no module cpufreq_performance
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08:26<Slurb>but the file changes to say it is in performance mode but i still got choppy gameplay with wine
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08:26<Slurb>until i disabled freq control in the bios
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08:26<Slurb>i think that performance might not be in the generic kernel
08:27<jm_>grep CPUFREQ /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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08:27<Slurb>not set
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08:27<jm_>ahh crap, it's CPU_FREQ
08:27<Slurb>CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF is not set
08:28<Slurb>i see the proble
08:29<Slurb>if you want performance its compiled in the kernel all others are modules
08:29<Slurb>so its a kernel boot command rather than a sysfs entry
08:29<jm_>yes but that still means you can enable it via /sys
08:29<Slurb>is that right
08:29<Slurb>i can enable it just not at boot
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08:30<Slurb>but it doesnt seem to work all the way, ie. i still get choppy gameplay when it is enabled in any other way than disabling it in the bios
08:31<jm_>try using sysfsutils to set it then
08:31<jm_>you might need scheduler tweaks for that
08:32<Slurb>i am happy with it disabled in the bios. this is a desktop. it would be different if i had a laptop though
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08:34<hb7>cpufreq-info gives you info about the selected cpufreq governor and cpufreq-set should change it (cpufrequtils package)
08:35<Slurb>i think my bios may disable performance when it is in cool and quiet mode
08:35<jm_>ahh of course, forgot about /etc/default/cpufrequtils
08:35<jm_>if you have problem with performance governor than it's not due to cpu-freq anyway
08:35<Slurb>jm that may be the problem...2 conflicting files
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08:36<jm_>Slurb: yeah maybe one overrides the other
08:36<Slurb>i dont have a /etc/default/cpufrequtils
08:37<jm_>yeah it doesn't exist by default
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08:37<jm_>you can find examples in /usr/share/doc/cpufrequtils
08:37<Slurb>thank you very much
08:38<tom>Hey guys. I've recently started getting an error when aptitude updating or apt-get updating:
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08:38<tom>"E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 25165824. (man 5 apt.conf)
08:38<tom>E: Error occurred while processing ia32-libots0 (NewVersion1)"
08:39<jm_>!dynamic mmap
08:39<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need.
08:39<tom>jm_: Thank you. :)
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08:39<sanchith>Lenny on a Thinkpad X200, DNS queries resolve to I've tried several solution including disabling ipv6 and checking resolv.conf but to no use. Kernel version 2.6.26
08:40<fenris_>ifconfig eth0 netmask up
08:40<sanchith>fenris: was that for me?
08:41<petemc>sanchith: are you using a router like a dlink or some such?
08:41<jm_>sanchith: use getent to see who it asks
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08:42<sanchith>petence: Huawei 1003A that came from my ISP.
08:43<sanchith>The issue is intermittent. I rebooted the router and I could resolve the repositories but now they resolve to
08:43<petemc>ive heard of that before with crappy little consumer devices, simple solution is to not use it for your dns, install a caching nameserver locally or use your upstream isp/opendns etc
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08:45<g332fw>Hi - there seems to be a problem with the CD image bittorrent links on - e.g. . Are people aware of this? Is there an alternative for getting netinst CD images?
08:45<enouf>g332fw: you sure you want ia64?
08:45<sanchith>petemc, I have another computer, a Mac accessing the Internet through the same router. No issues whatsover with that.
08:45<jm_>you can get them from http servers
08:46<g332fw>enouf: good point - I want amd64, but the issue still remains
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08:46<petemc>sanchith: well, its not hard to try using another nameserver
08:46<enouf>g332fw: other than that, there's been some stalling with the site(s) over atleast the last day - give it a day or two
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08:47<g332fw>ok... is that a regular problem?
08:47<enouf>g332fw: nah .. just sometimes there's maintenance/updating/whatever
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08:48<sanchith>petemc: do I need to restart the networking service in init.d?
08:48<enouf>g332fw: but same occurs if you select amd64? just thinking, the most used ARCHs would be fixed first or something
08:48<petemc>sanchith: no
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08:49<sanchith>no luck. I changed the nameserver in resolv.conf, still resolves to
08:49<petemc>see what jm_ said
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08:50<sanchith>jm_ : what database should I look into?
08:50<jm_>sanchith: hosts
08:51<aljazeera>php 5.3 final release (30 june 2009) (changelog)
08:51<g332fw>aljazeera: thanks. it does seem that none of the mirrors have 5.0.2 yet
08:51<aljazeera>g332fw, yes, I have checked them all
08:52<aljazeera>I can understand why full iso links are down, but it will be nicer to have at least torrent links up
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08:52<g332fw>I assume the torrent links aren't mirrored?
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08:55<n2nhacker>hello how are you ?
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08:56<aytekin>is there anbody
08:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:57<aytekin>i ve installed aria2
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08:58<aytekin>now i am trying download a torrent file from my harddive
08:58<aytekin>sorry my harddrive
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08:59<n2nhacker>what's the best software to make 3d desktop in ubuntu ?
08:59<aytekin>i ve use the cımmand line
08:59<jm_>n2nhacker: try asking in ubuntu channel -- /msg dpkg ubuntu
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09:00<aytekin>as "aria2c --max-upload-limit=1k file.torrent"
09:00<aytekin>but it didint work
09:00<petemc>how did the not working manifest itself?
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09:01<aytekin>and so on
09:01<jm_>maybe use rtorrent instead
09:01<petemc>did i miss something?
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09:01<aytekin>yes i did
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09:01<locklace>!tell aytekin about doesn't work
09:02<g332fw>hm, might take a while for my share ratio to reach 1.0 on debian-501-amd64-netinst.iso :)
09:02<locklace>aria2 works fine for me
09:02<aytekin>but every reboot my comp
09:02<aytekin>my torrent files ve losted
09:03<dpkg>methinks tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
09:03<aytekin>dpkg are turkish
09:03<dpkg>aytekin: no idea
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09:04<aytekin>ok please locklace could you give me some examples how to be used
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09:05<aytekin>dpkg are you Turk
09:05<dpkg>no idea, aytekin
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09:06<aytekin>yea i know this link
09:06<aytekin>i ve searcde for
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09:07<aytekin>but as i said i ve tried as said on that site
09:07<aytekin>bu i coludnt
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09:08<locklace>aytekin: and you're failing completely to communicate the actual problem you're having. maybe try to /join on and ask there.
09:09<aytekin>ok locklace thx
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09:13<stuckey>I just installed a new video card; how can I test the performance?
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09:19<aytekin>yes kicked me off
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09:19<aytekin>why it dit i dont know
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09:26<g332fw>aytekin - try another bittorrent client - there are plenty. If you have a graphical desktop, try Azureus. It's really easy to use.
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09:27<aytekin>ok i ll try g332fw
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09:41<miguel>hello, im experiencing problems with fullscreen mode. for watching tv, as well as dosbox and another computer game
09:41<miguel>the picture does not STRTETCH over the whole display :(
09:42<smash>anyone's got an idea why fglrx fails on lenny? when trying to m-a a-i against lenny-headers the build will fail since it's missing ../scripts/Kbuild.include and then drops since the executed bash script expects an unary operator
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09:49<patrikf>miguel: what happens instead?
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09:49<Aristide>Hi ^^
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09:50<Aristide>The oftc server don't hide many ip :$
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09:50<patrikf>Aristide: this is not #oftc
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09:51<Aristide>I don't speak to oftc channel. But a oftc server ^^
09:51<Aristide>Hi patrikf :)
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09:51<Aristide>(Sorry i'm not verry goog in english :$)
09:51<patrikf>Aristide: I meant to say #oftc is the place to complain about lack of IP cloaking.
09:51<miguel>patrickf: i see it the original size in the middle of the screen
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09:52<Aristide>Ok. Sorry ^^
09:52<patrikf>miguel: can you pastebin the output of xrandr --prop? and it's patri*k*f
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10:14<stuckey>judd: versions radeon
10:14<judd>stuckey: radeon --
10:14<stuckey>judd versions xorg
10:14<judd>stuckey: xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 squeeze: 1:7.3+19 sid: 1:7.4+3
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10:35<unimatrix>anyone know how to create a binary file in bash?
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10:42<bja>unimatrix: ??
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10:43<unimatrix>ok let me put it this way, i have a string in ASCII and i want to convert it to binary and dump it into a file, that will then become a binary file (dont want it to just write the hex as ASCII)
10:44<locklace>dpkg: qotd246 is <reply><unimatrix> anyone know how to create a binary file in bash?
10:44<dpkg>locklace: okay
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10:57<k1lumin4t1>how can I rebuild fstab in debian?
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10:58<jclinton>k1lumin4t1, 'rebuild'?
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10:58<bja>do you have a working system?
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10:58<petemc>k1lumin4t1: its just a text file
10:59<bja>k1lumin4t1: if you haven't turne your system off or gone for a reboot, the info you need is in /etc/mtab
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11:02<Desph>Seems like the mirrors are almost all down for downloading debian?
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11:02<stuckey>How do I update my radeon drivers? The version in Lenny doesn't fully support my card.
11:03<jclinton>Desph, works for me
11:03<Desph>Really? Im getting 404 Not found
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11:03<k1lumin4t1>jclinton, yes, bring it back to its original state (as though it were a fresh install)
11:03<Desph>Could you try:
11:03<k1lumin4t1>petemc, bja: bring it back to its original state (as though it were a fresh install)
11:03<snama>not found desph
11:04<bja>k1lumin4t1: is it working?
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11:04<Desph>Wrong person jclinton
11:04<k1lumin4t1>bja, huh?
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11:05<jclinton>Desph, oh, i thought you were talking about updates, yea that's broken, it appears
11:05<bja>k1lumin4t1: is the system working?
11:05<jclinton>Desph, though it was just updated maybe one day ago?
11:05<k1lumin4t1>bja, yes
11:06<stuckey>jclinton: Thanks. I don't want to use the propritetary driver though.
11:06<bja>k1lumin4t1: fstab is dinamically generated according to system arquitechture, if the system is indeed working, chances are that it is ok
11:06<jclinton>stuckey, then the only way to update is to use something newer than lenny by pinning in parts of Xorg from unstable/testing
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11:07<petemc>bja: is it dynamically generated at any point after install time?
11:07<bja>k1lumin4t1: if you accidentally eliminated fstab, you can rebuild it by hand from the info that is on /etc/mtab
11:07<jclinton>you cannot dynamically generate /etc/fstab
11:07<jclinton>it is a user config file
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11:08<jclinton>k1lumin4t1, bja's advice is the best way to rebuild it
11:08<jclinton>k1lumin4t1, or restore from your backup
11:08<bja>petemc: I don't know, but you seldomly change it unless you change you hardware, The few times I've needed a change there (new hd) i did it by hand :)
11:09<petemc>bja: yes, its not as i understand it
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11:09<Desph>Awesome, thanks a ton snama for that FTP
11:09<jclinton>Desph, note that any time now the 5.0.2 installer should show up
11:10<jclinton>Desph, which has fixes for a number of known issues
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11:10<Desph>I didn't even know that 5.0.2 was out :S
11:10<Desph>Im kinda new to Debian
11:10<snama>debian is nice
11:10<snama>debian makes you lazy
11:11<Desph>Well I've used Debian before, but its always been on a server that I didn't need to worry about updates and such
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11:12<stuckey>jclinton: what's the proper way to do it, just apt-get build-dep x, then apt-bet -b source x, then install with dpkg?
11:13<jclinton>stuckey, no, the packages in testing can be installed directly if you add testing to you /etc/apt/sources.list
11:13<jclinton>stuckey, what arch are you on? amd64? i386?
11:13<stuckey>jclinton: am64
11:13<Desph>jclinton, once I get 5.0.1 installed, I assume I can upgrade to 5.0.2 from it? Could you tell me how
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11:13<jclinton>Desph, you'll just run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
11:13<stuckey>jclinton: the testing versions are the same as the one's in stable though... So I don't think that would help me.
11:14<Desph>Thats easy enough for me
11:14<jclinton>stuckey, looking...
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11:14<stuckey>Does anyone here use experimental on their daily desktop computer?
11:14<jclinton>i do but i highly, highly do not recommend it
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11:15<jclinton>stuckey, 6.12.2-2 is new enough? do you know?
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11:17<stuckey>jclinton: at least 7.2
11:18<jclinton>stuckey, the radeon or radeonhd driver? and which version of it? that's different from the Xorg version.
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11:27<stuckey>jclinton: like, 7.2 mesa
11:28<jclinton>stuckey, that's not a driver
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11:31<stuckey>jclinton: I'm just going on what people in #radeon are telling me. They said update mesa first.
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11:31<jclinton>stuckey, mesa 7.4 is in unstable but that's only the 3D stack
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11:32<jclinton>stuckey, that has almost nothing to do with setting the resolution and refresh rates on your card
11:32<jclinton>stuckey, which of the two drivers do you need?
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11:32<jclinton>stuckey, radeon or radeonhd?
11:32<stuckey>jclinton: radeon, not radeonhd.
11:33<jclinton>stuckey, then you need to add unstable to your sources.list
11:34<jclinton>stuckey, this is going to be a huge mess when you're done, just a fore-warning
11:34<stuckey>jclinton: a mess?
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11:34<jclinton>stuckey, you'll have parts of unstable and stable installed
11:34<stuckey>jclinton: why is that bad?
11:35<jclinton>stuckey, it will be hard to manage updates, occasionally
11:35<stuckey>jclinton: but this is the best solution, if I want good support for my hardware?
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11:37<linac>Where debain store info about a package whether it's manually installed by user or automaticlly installed by dependency?
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11:44<stuckey>jclinton: why don't I just upgrade to experimental?
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11:46<jclinton>stuckey, you can upgrade to unstable
11:46<jclinton>stuckey, experimental is not a distribution
11:46<jclinton>stuckey, it's a set of packages that are slightly ahead of unstable
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11:46<jclinton>stuckey, you do not run experimental directly
11:47<stuckey>jclinton: okay I'm going to do it
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11:47<stuckey>jclinton: how do I do it?
11:47<jclinton>stuckey, add unstable to your /etc/apt/sources.list
11:47<jclinton>stuckey, and dist-upgrade
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11:53<ml|>stuckey: i would not move to unstable, move to testing if want to do this and install what you need from unstable, but be ready for things not work once in a while
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11:54<bja>ml|: :)
11:55<ml|>bja: hello
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11:56<AzaToth>anyone überintelligen regarding dhclient and pseudo interfaces? I'm trying to figure out how it's special dhclient-script should look like
11:57<jclinton>AzaToth, i'm doing that on my home router with just regular old /etc/network/interfaces
11:57<jclinton>AzaToth, nothing special at all
11:57<AzaToth>jclinton: getting IP via dhcp?
11:57<jclinton>AzaToth, yes, on a vlan
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11:58<AzaToth>when *I tried to use interfaces directly, I just got the usual errors
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11:58<jclinton>AzaToth, and you installed vlantools and used the vlan property?
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11:59<jclinton>err, `vlan` is package name
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11:59<AzaToth>You have searched for packages that names contain vlantools in all suites, all sections, and all architectures.
12:00<jclinton>install it and read 'man vlan-interfaces'
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12:07<stuckey>ml|: why is that better than just using unstable?
12:08<jclinton>stuckey, less broken
12:08<jclinton>stuckey, it's much harder to have stuff fall in to testing
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12:15<ml|>stuckey: plus unstable is not supported, you are expected to fix things on your own
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12:15<stuckey>ml|: I thought that was only experimental
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12:15<ml|>dpkg: tell stuckey about sid faq
12:15<ml|>dpkg: tell stuckey about unstable
12:15<ml|>stuckey: do what you want i'm just letting you know gl
12:15<stuckey>So why upgrade to testing at all if I would just be pulling stuff in from usntable? Why not pull stuff from unstalbe into stable?
12:15<ml|>stuckey: mixing stable and unstable is not good idea, that's why there is
12:15<ml|>testing is close to unstable so things won't be as bad
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12:16<stuckey>ml|: no mesa packages in backports, unfortunately
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12:21<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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12:31<AzaToth>jclinton: I pretty much phailed
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12:31<AzaToth>I assume you can't use vlan on a "used" interface
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12:32<jclinton>AzaToth, right, you create a vlan1 and vlan2
12:32<AzaToth>e.g. can't open an eth0.1 on an used eth0
12:32<AzaToth>sadly I wasn't able to deactivate eth0 :(
12:32<stuckey>If I add sid to my list, then I will always have unstable, since the name stays the same.
12:32<jclinton>AzaToth, vlan1 == regular old tags
12:32<jclinton>AzaToth, vlan2 == your new fabric
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12:32<AzaToth>jclinton: assumed that fact
12:32<jclinton>stuckey, yes
12:32<stuckey>So one would have to keep up with the release dates and know when the sid would become testing, so that he wouldn't be moving from one unstable to the next, is this right?
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12:33<AzaToth>but eth0 refused to let go
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12:33<jclinton>stuckey, sid is always sid
12:33<AzaToth>it was still there lurking after an ifdown eth0
12:33<jclinton>AzaToth, just ip link eth0 down
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12:33<stuckey>jclinton: but sid eventually becomes the new testing? or no?
12:33<jclinton>AzaToth, it will link up to enable your vlan
12:34<jclinton>stuckey, packages move from sid to testing
12:34<stuckey>jclinton: okay
12:34<jclinton>stuckey, testing is created when a stable release happens
12:34<jclinton>testing+1, rather
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12:35<craigevil>stuckey: at one point in time testing will become frozen and no new packages from sid will enter testing , but sid is always sid
12:35<bja>stuckey: dwelling on a certain point of a release, has more to do of the way and ability you have to solve problems than the actual packages you are using
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12:36<jclinton>unstable is like the dispenser on an assembly line: testing is the vessel getting filled up right now, stable and oldstable are vessels that are already full and moving along down the assembly line
12:36<dpkg>ch is, like, Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: which lives in . See also on Freenode.
12:36<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
12:36<bja>!tell nttreader about en
12:37<jclinton>nttreader, dude /query dpkg
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12:37<ml|>dpkg: tell nttreader about selftell
12:37*nttreader understand nothing, because his english is to bad!
12:38*nttreader understands nothing, because his english is too bad!
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12:38<ml|>nttreader: read messages from dpkg and try to understand
12:39*nttreader understands now!
12:40<ml|>!congratulate nttreader
12:40<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies nttreader, you did it!
12:40<craigevil>stuckey: if you want to play with sid you might consider using sidux it is a debian sid based distro that unlike ubuntu uses the debian sid repo
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12:41<stuckey>craigevil: What's the advantage?
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12:42<jclinton>stuckey, it would insulate you from major breakages
12:42<craigevil>stuckey: over using pure sid none really other than it takes 5 minutes to install and tends to have a newer patched kernel, but it does give you support when using sid
12:43<jclinton>oh they aren't using a separate dist spec yet?
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12:43<klh>I'm looking for a static glibc but don't find it in repos, have I to build it with glibc-source ?
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12:45<craigevil>stuckey: or just use sid with the neat script and apt-listbugs if you really want sid
12:46<jclinton>klh, its extremely rare for someone to have a reason to statically link libc
12:46<stuckey>craigevil: script?
12:46<jclinton>klh, are you really sure that's what you want to do?
12:47<jclinton>in fact, i'm hard pressed to come up with a good reason right now
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12:48<craigevil>stuckey: it is a neat script that was made to over come some issues when doing apt-get dist-upgrade, it is also useful when using nvidia/ati cards
12:48<AzaToth>jclinton: pretty much continue to phail a lot:
12:48<AzaToth>can't get rid of eth0
12:48<stuckey>craigevil: what are the issues?
12:49<adb>stuckey: don't support gnome ? i means sid..x
12:49<craigevil>stuckey: it checks for broken packages and holds them so things do not get removed, read the info on the webpage
12:49<jclinton>AzaToth, no idea except that perhaps your switch doesn't support vlan1
12:49<jclinton>AzaToth, try vlan2
12:50<jclinton>AzaToth, vlan1 not compatible with switches is extremely common
12:50<klh>jclinton, I don't know if demonstrate that gcc is so good than icc but yes I need it
12:50<AzaToth>jclinton: but eth0 should remain in "ifconfig"?
12:50<jclinton>klh, icc doesn't include its own libc; what do you mean?
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12:51<jclinton>AzaToth, `ip` and yes
12:51<jclinton>AzaToth, it will be link up but unconfigured
12:51<AzaToth>I see
12:51<AzaToth>but I tried vlan2 as well, with no luck
12:51<jclinton>AzaToth, reboot?
12:52<AzaToth>no reboot ツ
12:52<jclinton>AzaToth, did you strip your eth0 from interfaces?
12:52<jclinton>AzaToth, yea, i'd say just reboot; who knows
12:52<AzaToth>34 days of uptime lost then :(
12:53<jclinton>ugh, damn nerds and your uptime
12:53<klh>jclinton, do you know HPL (high-performance linpack), with shared libs performances decreases due to filesystem acess during tests
12:53<jclinton>klh, i work for Advanced Clustering and run HPL; no it does not
12:54<klh>really sure ?
12:54<jclinton>klh, the benchmark has the begins measurement after all libraries are loaded
12:54<jclinton>klh, yes
12:54<jclinton>klh, do not use `time` as a benchmark
12:54<jclinton>klh, use the GFLOPS number that results
12:54<klh>I do not use time
12:55<klh>intel provides its own linpack
12:55<klh>and during test there's no filesystem acess
12:55<jclinton>you should be using HPCC
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12:55<jclinton>but HPL is okay
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12:55<klh>intel gives linpack gives me 56Gflops, my HPL compiled with optimized atlas libs for my arch give me 48 Gflops..
12:56<jclinton>klh, HPL 2 is newer than intel HPL 1.0a
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12:56<jclinton>atlas is crap
12:56<jclinton>klh, what arch? amd or intel?
12:56<jclinton>klh, woodcrest, harpertown, nehalem?
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12:57<klh>penryn (core 2 quad q9650)
12:57<jclinton>you're benching your desktop?
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12:57<klh>yeah since 1 year :) it is burning hard :)
12:58<klh>it's a hobby like another
12:58<jclinton>klh, MKL is likely the best number you will get
12:58<jclinton>klh, i just did a compiler shootout and GCC 4.4 and Intel 11 are even
12:59<klh>hehe, MKL is not free...
12:59<jclinton>klh, (using -O3 -mtune=core2, for example)
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12:59<jclinton>klh, did you use -xSSE3 when you built your HPL?
12:59<klh>jclinton, I tried a lot of things, sse3 ssse3 sse4.1
12:59<klh>sse3 gives me best results
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13:00<jclinton>klh, AFAIK, yes your chip only supports SSE3
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13:00<jclinton>klh, did you use the right Calc N?
13:01<klh>jclinton, my hpl.dat is hardely tuned
13:02<jclinton>klh, well that has a huge affect on the outcome of the benchmark
13:02<jclinton>the more memory you have, the larger the result, too
13:02<klh>I know that, I spent entire days tuning it
13:03<jclinton>klh, does our calculator line up with what you are using?
13:04<jclinton>klh, according to my calculations, your Tpeak is 48 gigaflops
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13:05<klh>your calculator line is approximately same than mine
13:05<klh>I paste it
13:05<jclinton>klh, i don't see how you can be getting 56 GFLOP's
13:06<klh>I get 56 Gflops with this intel linpack
13:06<jclinton>klh, are you overclocking?
13:07<jclinton>klh, what is your clock rate?
13:07<jclinton>klh, 9GHz!?
13:07<klh>huhu sorry I misunderstood you
13:07<jclinton>Great Scott!
13:07<klh>look my first paste :)
13:07<klh>cpu MHz : 3825.218
13:08<jclinton>so your Tpeak is 61.203 GFLOP's
13:08<klh>I pasted it to show you that more than sse3 is supported by my cpu
13:08<jclinton>you have attained 91.5% efficiency
13:08<jclinton>that's really good
13:08<jclinton>especially on that crappy memory architecture
13:09<jclinton>you could get close to 95% on AMD and Intel Nehalem
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13:11<klh>hehe I like my crappy arch, it compiles my kernel in less than 5 minutes
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13:13<manio>hi guys :)
13:13<manio>i have a question about spinning down disk during kernel shutdown
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13:14<manio>in /etc/init.d/halt is a block: "Don't shut down drives if we're using RAID."
13:15<manio>and it prevents passing -h option to halt
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13:15<manio>so - does it mean that if i have a raid - the spinning down hard disk before power off is not made?
13:15*nttreader says "mmmmmmuuuuuhhhh"
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13:16<klh>jclinton, I come back to my first question, static glibc, with intel linpack there's no filesystem access during all tests, with my hpl there are a lot, and it's not my swap ^^
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13:16<klh>hpcc, I tried it, it's the same hpl included ...
13:16<jclinton>manio, i believe that is the behavior on all distros
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13:17<jclinton>klh, use the new HPL 2.0 with GotoBLAS and GCC 4.4
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13:17<jclinton>klh, use -O3 -march=core2
13:17<manio>jclinton: hmmm - but is it ok?
13:17<jclinton>manio, yes, md handles it
13:18<jclinton>manio, you could get a better explanation
13:18<manio>jclinton: ok - i'll ask there :)
13:18<manio>jclinton: thanks :)
13:19<bja>Does anyone know of a postgres channel?
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13:19<klh>jclinton, I used hpl-2.0 since it cames out in september 2008, I will try gotoblas instead of atlas, -march=core2 gives me lower performances than just -mfpmath=sse -msse3
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13:19<jclinton>klh, interesting
13:20<bja>locklace: thx,
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13:21<bja>locklace: Today is one of those days half the brain stayed at home :)
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13:24<D6>Hi. I'm trying to build xulrunner from Sid in Lenny, I've got an error:
13:24<D6>There is a segault after dh_testdir
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13:26<D6>What's wrong?
13:27<dr|z3d>D6: Updated lately? Try a reboot.
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13:30<D6>Ok, will try soon...
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13:42<Rioting_Pacifist>Im compiling my own kernel but it cant find the module for my hdd, do i just look through lsmod to find the correct module or is there a smarter way of doing it
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13:52<Kjetil_>RichiH: run lshw.. it will show what drivers different hardware use in the "configuration:" part
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13:53<flosski>ssh flossk"
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14:05<mantra>hey can someone help me out with the debian menus?
14:05<mantra>i want the old menu back in xfce that is called 'debian'
14:06<mantra>the upgrade to 4.6 removed this
14:07<mantra>i cant figure out what file to add in the xfce menu file to get the 'debian' one back
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14:09<adb>dpkg -l menu | grep ii
14:09<dpkg>ii menu | grep ii 3.6-11 adb's private gamp collection
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14:10<mantra>ii menu 2.1.41 generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications
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14:12<adb>same here on gnome , no more `debian` menu on lenny
14:12<mantra>yeah i dont get why
14:12<mantra>i liked it better
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14:12<mantra>well im in squeeze
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14:14<ml|>do you have menu installed, try to use it to generate the debian menu again
14:14<mantra>yeah i do
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14:17<mantra>ok i just ran update-menus and it didnt work
14:17<mantra>i mean it didnt add a debian menu
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14:20<ml|>try logging out then back in, if that doesn't work check bts and/or file a bug report with reportbug
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14:29<D6>dr|z3d: Ok, I've rebooted by the problem is the same, segfault in "fakeroot debian/rules binary". (
14:30<D6>dr|z3d: Is there a way to debug this?
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14:31<norbert_>just for the fun of it I ran a # wipe -rf / guess at which file it stopped working... place your bets :)
14:32<norbert_>ok, the answer: Wiping, pass 0 (1)... and there it stopped ;) (after two 'warnings': rw: rmdir: Device or resource busy / open error: Text file busy)
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14:37<Klekker>Good day to you all, I'm trying to install Debian Lenny on an Acer Travelmate 350. After the installer has finished, I tried to boot the system, but it's struck at the GRUB menu.
14:38<Klekker>Has anyone got any experience installing Debian on such a laptop?
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14:38<locklace>Klekker: define "stuck"
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14:39<Klekker>well, It just stops, and it doesn't respond to the keyboard
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14:40<Klekker>I tried to attach an external keyboard, but that didn't work either.
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14:42<locklace>Klekker: so you get the grub menu. ordinarily it displays a countdown for a few seconds and then tries to boot the default item. do you see the countdown or does it just hang immediately after displaying the menu?
14:42<Klekker>it hangs immediatly
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14:44<locklace>Klekker: can you boot from your drive via the grub on a rescue/install cd?
14:45<Klekker>yes, I already did
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14:46<locklace>so you can boot normally, except that you have to use the bootloader on a cd or something. maybe just a bad grub install, try reinstalling it with grub-install
14:47<dr|z3d>Klekker: supergrub might be worth a look.
14:48<Klekker>I tried grub-install
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14:48<Klekker>Is it on the netinst-CD?
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14:49<dr|z3d>Probably not. You'll likely need to download it.
14:51<D6>Hello. How to use mozplugger? I've installed both iceweasel and mozplugger in Lenny, but iceweasel don't open pdf files, it asks me what app I'd like to use to open PDFs. Why? Thanks!
14:52<D6>evince is installed.
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14:55<D6>dr|z3d: Yeah, it written there that I should install browser and mozplugger, and I said that they are installed :)
14:55<SARC>Is 5.0.2 going to be uploaded soon? The DL links are down!
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14:57<adb>SARC: use 5.0.1 for now
14:59<SARC>adb: i am having driver issues with 5.0.1
14:59<SARC>hoping they are fixed in 5.0.2
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15:00<dpkg>For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see
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15:08<Klekker>dr|z3d: I tried to use supergrub, but this gives exactly the same error
15:08<dr|z3d>Klekker: Did you try an autofix?
15:09<Klekker>what's that?
15:09<Klekker>probably not
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15:09<dr|z3d>It's a menu option that offers to automatically fix for you, without intervention.
15:09<Klekker>ok, I'll try that. It's on the netinst-CD, i presume?
15:10<dr|z3d>Presumption is the mother of all fsck-ups. No idea. Probably _not_.
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15:11<Klekker>ok. So where do I get it?
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15:12<dr|z3d>Try google.
15:12<dr|z3d>Surprised you haven't already.. most would have done so by now ;)
15:13<Klekker>I did, but showed up car-parts :p
15:13<dr|z3d>supergrub +boot
15:13<dr|z3d>Or similar.
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15:14<Klekker>well, The grub on the supergrub CD doesn't work either, so I can't acces autofix. It just hangs
15:16<dr|z3d>Hmm. OK. Tricky.
15:16<locklace>check your bios. maybe some setting there is hosing things
15:16<Klekker>for what kind of settings should I look,then?
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15:17<locklace>anything. go through them in exhaustive detail.
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15:18<Nazcafan>I have an issue with the gnome clock applet
15:19<locklace>also try flashing your bios to the most recent if it isn't already
15:19<Nazcafan>each time I try to associate to a place, it asks for the root password
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15:20<Nazcafan>it seems to associate nicely to the place but the association disappears everytime I logout/login
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15:23<Klekker>I think I found something: CMOS battery bad; Real Time Clock error, and if I go to the basic system settings, the BIOS will hang
15:23<dr|z3d>Aha. Find a new battery.
15:23<Klekker>this means the internal battery, right? Not the big battery
15:24<locklace>Klekker: yeah. good luck getting that replaced
15:24<Klekker>should probably find some other old laptop, then?
15:25<Klekker>well, thanks a lot! I'll try and find something else.
15:25<Klekker>Thanks a lot, dr|z3d and locklace!
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15:36<tuxcrafter>hi all i am trying to get lprng working on my system because cups is giving me the fingers to much
15:36<tuxcrafter>but i cant find how to add options like duplex, papersize tray etcetra
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15:47<norbert_>hi, I'm trying to set up X on a new machine and tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and X -configure, but don't work as I wish, that is, X isn't working
15:47<norbert_>any ideas?
15:47<norbert_>it's a really old monitor
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15:52<simark>I have a little question: after installing KDE, Konqueror became the default file manager in Gnome. How can I set it back to Nautilus?
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15:53<mib_71scfu>could someone help me configuring sendmail and php to be able to use the mail) function?
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16:06<flixh>i'm kind of lost trying to get fglrx to work on a testing system running 2.6.30, anybody got a hint?
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16:07<southernc>flix what is your video card ?
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16:09<klh>jclinton, thanks for your advises, HPL with GotoBLAS is near Intel Linpack (54 Gflops vs. 56 Glops) still with gcc 4.3.2. And I think it may do the same if I find why I get recursive falls of cpu use.
16:09<flixh>southernc: an old mobility x600
16:10<southernc>did you try apt-get install fglrx*
16:11<flixh>southernc: yes, but as far as i can see, there are no modules for 2.6.30 precompiled and m-a a-i fglrx fails to compile the module
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16:12<southernc>well i got it to work but but you can use my notes and see if it works for you
16:12<jclinton>klh, cool
16:12<southernc>opne sec
16:12<enouf>flixh: radeon isn't good enough?
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16:13<enouf>flixh: fails how?
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16:13<flixh>enouf: no, it's crashing immediately when i try to use it
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16:14<enouf>flixh: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core | tail -1
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16:15<flixh>enouf: compilation fails with /usr/src/modules/fglrx/drm_os_linux.h:45: error: conflicting types for ▒ │ ‘irqreturn_t’
16:15<enouf>flixh: reboot into your older saved working .26, it should work
16:15<enouf>after you show me that line - which will be -3
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16:15<craigevil>flixh: you might try installing firmware-linux it has the needed firmware for ati
16:16<flixh>enouf: can't, .26 doesn't do s2ram
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16:16<jclinton>flixh, otoh, you could try 2.6.31 which has good working open source ATI support, from what i've read
16:16<jclinton>flixh, including kernel modesetting and xrandr
16:16<flixh>enouf: xserver-xorg-core is at 2:1.4.2-11
16:16<enouf>i guess you want to ignore the questions you don't want to answer - i'm done
16:16<enouf>that's ok
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16:17<flixh>enouf: not trying to ignore anybody, i'm just slow
16:18<jclinton>oh, much much newer xorg is in experimental
16:18<flixh>jclinton: 2.6.31 isn't in unstable, and i don't have the time and will to compile a vanilla kernel
16:18<jclinton>if you're already using 2.6.30, might be worth a shot
16:18<enouf>/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/patches/features/all/drivers-gpu-drm-radeon-request_firmware.patch: Use RV730 firmware for RV740, as the upstream code does
16:18<enouf>but i guess that doesnt apply to your x600
16:18<flixh>craigevil: firmware-linux is installed
16:19<enouf>flixh: i type slow too .. so no worries
16:19<jclinton>flixh, i think updating to latest xorg in experimental will get you pretty close to where you want to be without having to mess around with fglrx
16:19<jclinton>flixh, also, isn't radeonhd supposed to be used with the x600?
16:19<enouf>jclinton: xserver-xorg-core -3 is broken
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16:20<enouf>judd: versions xserver-xorg-core
16:20<judd>enouf: xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5 lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny1 squeeze: 2:1.4.2-11 sid: 2:
16:20<jclinton>enouf, yea, i was about to mention -2 is the way to go :)
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16:20<enouf>the sid one
16:20<jclinton>oh that fell in to sid
16:20<enouf>jclinton: can't find it anywhere (the -2)
16:20<craigevil> 2: works fine here at least with intel
16:20<jclinton>i'm on intel and -3 is total fail
16:21<jclinton>-2 should still be on the mirror, checking
16:21<enouf>jclinton: i looked, but you might get lucky - up until two days ago, the .nl mirror still had -2
16:21<flixh>hm, there is no xserver-xorg-core in experimental, is there?
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16:21<enouf>not sure
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16:21<jclinton>flixh, no, just sid... it fell in to sid
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16:22<enouf>what you guys want is to watch #debian-x
16:22<enouf>their git repo might have a fixed version
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16:23<craigevil>jclinton: if your having issues with the newer xorg and intel you might install xserver-xorg-video-intel from sidux it seems to have fixed whatever the issue is
16:23<jclinton>yea -2 is gone
16:23<enouf>jclinton: man radeon == RV380 Radeon X600, M24
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16:23<enouf>jclinton: /msg dpkg radeon vs radeonhd
16:23<jclinton>craigevil, it was just -3
16:23<jclinton>craigevil, -2 is fine; on it now
16:23<enouf>it's a DRI2 issue
16:23<jclinton>i thought it was the VGA mode probing patch
16:24<enouf>(which includes DRM and kernel modesetting, IINM)
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16:24<jclinton>X crashes as soon as the xrandr applet starts
16:24<craigevil>xserver-xorg-core Installed: 2:
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16:24<enouf>craigevil: lspci -nn | grep VGA ?
16:24<jclinton>craigevil, well i'm no modesetting; could be the difference
16:24<craigevil>enouf: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2582] (rev 04)
16:25<jclinton>oh wow that's old :)
16:25<craigevil>yep its a crappy dell but it works
16:25<jclinton>guessing early 2004?
16:25<enouf>heh .. i think the i9x5 were afflicted - can't recall all the sordid details
16:25<jclinton>i'm on GM45
16:25<craigevil>Card Intel 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller X.Org Res: 1280x1024@60.0hz
16:26<craigevil> GLX Renderer Mesa DRI Intel 915G GEM 20090418 2009Q1 x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version 1.4 Mesa 7.4.4 Direct Rendering Yes
16:26<flixh>well, i'm kind of short in type, so following the git repo isn't really an option. I guess i'll give radeon another go and file bugs as soon as i find the time
16:26<enouf>craigevil: been to #debian-x to ask why yours is not affected?
16:26<craigevil>nope it works thats all i care about
16:27<enouf>i know the GEM stuff is intel started/related .. at first
16:27<craigevil>as long as i can play openarena and a few other games and watch dvs i'm good :)
16:28<jclinton>yea, xrandr and a game are what i needed working too :)
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16:28<jclinton>modesetting has been awesome since 2.6.30 went stable
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16:42<cheako>Hay, is there a way(better then the one I'm using) to "place" files greater then 4GB on vfat/fat32? Could something like aufs be made to manage using spit and cat?
16:43<cheako>dd if=/dev/zero of=lvm000${ctr} bs=1 count=1 seek=4294967294; losetup /dev/loop${ctr} lvm000${ctr}; pvcreate /dev/loop${ctr}; vgextend EXTERNAL /dev/loop${ctr}; # This is current solution.
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16:47<cheako>I've got a 1T disk and it came with vfat and I was just like, I don't want to mess with this thing more then I have to. Now this limitation is getting to me.
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16:48<cheako> 932G 762G 170G 82% <-- current numbers. If I use parted to shrink this down by 100GB, would it be possible to migrate the data into something like LVM using chunks of 100GB?
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16:49<cheako>Afterwards I'd be looking at 10 100GB partitions.
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16:49<cheako>Perhaps I want to make 40 25GB pargs, so I can migrate them into one large partition?
16:50<cheako>Perhaps I should just get another drive, it's not like I can't accumulate another 1T.
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16:54<jclinton>cheako, afio
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16:55<cheako>jclinton: Like using tar and split?
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16:56<cheako>I'm looking for a kernel space solution, for use with rsync.
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16:56<jclinton>cheako, fuse
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16:58<cheako>jclinton: Does afio work with an fuse backend?
16:58<jclinton>cheako, no but you could write one
16:58<jclinton>cheako, since you're requirements are palpably insane
16:59<jclinton>cheako, and unique
16:59<jclinton>cheako, seems like you should write it
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17:01<cheako>haha, I think many ppl don't like the 4GB limitation of fat32. There are other limitations, for example umsdos. I believe a generic overlay filesystem driver that detected problems with the underlying filesystem and compensated for them transparently.
17:01<krazykit>enouf, good to see mre fixed his/her wifi problem :)
17:01<cheako>...would be good.
17:02<jclinton>cheako, or just throw away the shitty filesystem
17:03<cheako>It's not that easy once you have 700GB of data on it :/
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17:03<jclinton>cheako, sure it is; resize to 50%, add LVM, copy over, delete resize LVM to 100%
17:03<enouf>krazykit: aye ... luck of the buggy-BIOS-draw :-P
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17:04<enouf>krazykit: if you notice, they left, then i said something like "i wonder how windows will cope with that change :-P"
17:04<cheako>jclinton: I'm past the 50% marker, it would take several iterations at this point. Also can LVM grow backwards?
17:05<cheako>I'd have to move the current data to the end of the drive first so that the LVM could grow from the beginning.
17:05<jclinton>cheako, yes, the PV will be a new chunk that will logically be added to the LV
17:05<jclinton>cheako, it will grow backward
17:06<jclinton>cheako, though its not easy
17:06<valdyn>its not really backwards
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17:06<valdyn>from the perspective of lvm
17:06<jclinton>cheako, you will pull your hair out
17:06<eyeris>I have a debian installation running under user-mode-linux. I've enabled ACLs, but setfacl still gives me the Operation Not Supported error:
17:06<cheako>Ahh, just like what I've suggested... I'll end up with either 10 or 40 partitions afterwards.
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17:06<valdyn>cheako: that is a problem why?
17:06<cheako>jclinton: That's what I'm trying to avoid.
17:06<jclinton>cheako, dude, spend $115 on a 1TB drive, move it all over and save 20 hours of your life
17:07<cheako>Correct, money VS time trade off.
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17:07<cheako>valdyn: It's not a problem, it's just much work.
17:08<cheako>Now parted partition converter/translator would be a vary cool tool.
17:08<valdyn>cheako: much? its 10 minutes work
17:09<cheako>valdyn: Waht is? It would take longer then that just to shrink the existing partition.
17:09<valdyn>cheako: thats not you working
17:09<valdyn>cheako: thats your computer working, why would that bother you?
17:09<cheako>valdyn: It wouldn't, but I also need to put another 50GB onto the drive.
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17:10<cheako>It would block that operation.
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17:20<elrebrin>Evening folks. Just wondering, does anybody know why the newer kernels don't support old squashfs filesystems anymore? I use squashfs in lenny to make games and suchlike smaller, and I installed 2.6.29 from backports and it won't mount any of the squashfs filesystems..
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17:22<cheako>elrebrin: That's expected, read the squashfs docs. I think you can still dump the old file systems using the new tool set, then you can repack.
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17:23<elrebrin>@cheako: Doh! I googled for a while for an answer and didn't get anything sensible, never thought to just check the squashfs docs themselves. Cheers for the pointer, I'll take a look :)
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17:23<stuckey>!blank screen
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17:24<asaleem>what is the easiest way to install debian 5 on usb key?
17:25<jclinton>asaleem, plug it in and install to it
17:25<elrebrin>@asaleem: When you boot the installer CD, just make sure the USB key is plugged in. You should be able to pick it from the partitioner.
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17:26<asaleem>jclinton, elrebrin, thanks for the quick answer, will give it a shot
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17:30<adama>!screen blanking
17:30<dpkg>it has been said that screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If 'console-tools' is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made via /etc/console-tools/config.
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17:33<eyeris>setfacl seems broken on my etch installation:
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17:37<stuckey>How can I get my screen not to blank while I'm watching a movie in mplayer? I did "xset s noblank", but now instead of blanking (and turning the monitor to standby) I just get a big "X" on the screen.
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17:39<toshley>Can anyone read this?
17:39<eyeris>toshley Yes
17:40<toshley>I am sorry, this is my first time using XChat, not use to it.
17:41<toshley>What's the primary use of this chat?
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17:41<dpkg>well, debian is See
17:41<dpkg>hmm... irc is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: . See also . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>.
17:42<toshley>I am using Ubuntu, it's based off of Debian, correct?
17:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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17:42<dr|z3d>toshley: Google for IRC. You'll find plenty of help. And yes, Ubuntu is based on Debian.
17:43<toshley>What made you all decide to use Debian instead of Ubuntu?
17:43<ml|>stuckey: didn't i show how to do that already?
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17:48<adb>toshley: go #ubuntu and ask same question
17:48<locklace>!start a distro war
17:48<dpkg>start a distro war is probably Debian Rulz
17:49<ml|>toshley: new to linux?
17:50<eyeris>Wow does Debian's ACL support suck.
17:50<jclinton>eyeris, nice try
17:50<eyeris>jclinton :)
17:50<jclinton>eyeris, we still aren't going to help you unless you provide enough information :)
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17:51<eyeris>jclinton What other information do you need?
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17:51<eyeris>I'm sure it's me doing something wrong, but I've read the man pages through multiple times and I can't figure out what "Operation not supported" could be referring to.
17:52<eyeris>Usually it is referring to not mounting with the acl option.
17:52<jclinton>eyeris, does ext3 even support ACL's on directories? I don't know
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17:54<eyeris>jclinton Yeah, it does on my Ubuntu machine.
17:54<jclinton>eyeris, heh, doubly nice try
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17:55<eyeris>I think it has something to do with this being run under user-mode-linux
17:56<eyeris>But I can't think of any possible cause other than the kernel config, which is correct according to config.gz.
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17:57<jclinton>eyeris, make a loopback device to a file, format it ext3 with ACL support and see if it will work
17:57<jclinton>eyeris, if so, UML fail; use KVM/XEN
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17:58<eyeris>jclinton I should make that loopback file from within the VM?
17:58<jclinton>eyeris, it should not matter
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18:00<eyeris>I still get that operation not supported error.
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18:01<jclinton>looks like your kernel is bad
18:01<jclinton>whether it is UML's fault, i don't know
18:01<jclinton>i didn't know any even still used UML :)
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18:03<eyeris>Hrm, ok
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18:06<eyeris>I found it.
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18:07<eyeris>The user-mode-linux package sets CONFIG_FS_POSIX_ACL=y but leaves EXT3_FS_XATTR unset, making CONFIG_FS_POSIX_ACL worthless.
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18:20<enouf>CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y is on my debian .29
18:20<woocyfear>Hello everybody
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18:20<woocyfear>I need some help
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18:22<woocyfear>I would like to install debian lenny linux with kernel 2.6.23 to a nvidia raid
18:22<jclinton>why that kernel
18:22<woocyfear>this is on the installation dvd
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18:22<woocyfear>i just noticed wich kernel i have
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18:23<jclinton>eh, maybe i missed something but it should be 2.6.26
18:23<enouf>ah, there is/are user-mode-linux pkgs (kernels), searching for uml came up short
18:23<ml|>judd: kernel
18:23<judd>ml|: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.30-trunk-686 (2.6.30-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13813); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
18:24<woocyfear>i'm sorry it is 2.6.26
18:24<jclinton>woocyfear, so anyway what's the problem?
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18:24<woocyfear>at the installation the partitioner not found the raid
18:25<woocyfear>there are two hdd , not one stripprd raid
18:25<jclinton>woocyfear, NVidia RAID is something called fakeraid
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18:25<synz>I have a multi-homed cluster and wish to have autofs mount only on a specific NIC. how do I do this?
18:25<jclinton>synz, ehhh... good question
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18:25<jclinton>woocyfear, its not really RAID
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18:26<jclinton>woocyfear, what you want to do is use linux software RAID which is far superior to the Windows driver equivalent
18:26<jclinton>woocyfear, or buy a real RAID card
18:26<synz>I got it to communicate over one network, but it's not the right one. I have a faster NIC that I want it to communicate and mount over
18:26<woocyfear>the raid already partiotioned, and there are files on it, which i don't want to lose
18:27<enouf>woocyfear: that would most likely need dmraid, which as noted is fakeraid, so use mdadm
18:27<synz>I don't see that mountd has an option to bind to a specific NIC
18:27<jclinton>synz, my intuition would be to set your routing table priorities appropriately
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18:27<woocyfear>but i now want to install
18:27<jclinton>synz, the other thing to do would be to give each of your homed networks a unique host name
18:28<jclinton>synz, like host01-slow host01-fast
18:28<synz>jclinton: got'cha. checking on that now
18:28<enouf>woocyfear: what does "woocyfear> there are two hdd , not one stripprd raid" mean? raid0? , raid1 ?
18:28<jclinton>synz, output of `ip r` to pastebin would help
18:28<woocyfear>but i can't , because there are no raid with two partiotion, there is two unknown hdd
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18:29<Snowember>woocyfear: are you installing a new os to a raid that has data you don't want to lose?
18:29<enouf>woocyfear: you need dmraid, and it's modules to access it, if possible - how's the BIOS setup config? does windows see the raid fine? (i bet it does)
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18:30<woocyfear>windows worked fine, but i want linux
18:30<synz>jclinton: that was it. I had that, but I may not have edited the /etc/exports file correctly on the client side
18:30<enouf>worked? or works? what FSTypes are on it?
18:30<woocyfear>ntfs (vista)
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18:31<jclinton>AFAIK dmraid doesn't support sata-mv/nvidia... not sure though
18:31<jclinton>worth looking up
18:32<woocyfear>now i have installed debian on a 20GB hdd , and i used dmraid, i mounted and everything worked well, but thats hdd is too slow
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18:33<enouf> is mainly concerned with libata, and ahci, etc ... and support for sata_ and pata_ modules
18:33<woocyfear>now i want to install exactly to raid's fisrt partition, because on the second partition i have important files
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18:35<jclinton>woocyfear, so, IIRC, you need to start the lenny installer with "dmraid=true"
18:35<jclinton>woocyfear, from the boot screen
18:35<jclinton>woocyfear, i think it's "linux dmraid=true"
18:36<woocyfear>so, i am booting from the dvd, and i have some choice
18:36<jclinton>woocyfear, however, you should know that it seems incredibly unlikely that grub or lilo will allow /boot on a RAID-0
18:36<jclinton>woocyfear, i would be shocked if it worked
18:37<enouf>leave /boot on the 20GB non-RAID disk
18:37<woocyfear>i choosed advanced with graphical interface
18:37<jclinton>woocyfear, you have to add the start option before you press enter at that screen
18:38<woocyfear>i thought booting the installation
18:38<woocyfear>how can i add
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18:38<jclinton>umm... it's been a long time but i think you press TAB to get the expanded command line
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18:38<jclinton>either that or just start typing
18:38<enouf>in the initrd, i see ;
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18:39<woocyfear>sorry but i'm in linux
18:39<enouf>which basically does; modprobe dm-mod
18:39<enouf>modprobe dm-mirror
18:39<enouf>requires udev :-P
18:40<enouf>erm, mirror implies raid1 ?
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18:40<woocyfear>i have stripped, it's raid0, not?
18:40<jclinton>yes, that's raid0
18:41<woocyfear>i need to enter theese commands??
18:41<enouf> Allow volume managers to mirror logical volumes, also needed for live data migration tools such as 'pvmove'.
18:41<jclinton>woocyfear, no, you need to do what i told you
18:41<woocyfear>dmraid=true ???
18:42<jclinton>woocyfear, yes
18:42<woocyfear>ok , i will try now
18:42<enouf>mdadm allows for RAID0/1/4/5/10 .. but dmraid? can't see it in ./drivers/md/Kconfig
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18:45<enouf>woocyfear: you might need to cp / backup your files somewhere, break your raid0, setup mdadm in raid0, copy/restore backupped files) .. or get another HDD over 20GB and use that with mdadm (in raid0) for Debian only
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18:46<enouf>but, depends on what that 20GB is as far as UDMA capable, whihc iface (PATA / SATA) compared to what your other nvidia RAID is using, to reach even comparable speeds
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18:51<woocyfear>thanks a lot, it's working
18:51<woocyfear>thank you very much
18:51<woocyfear>now i see the two partition
18:52<woocyfear>but i didn't understand the mdadm
18:52<woocyfear>what is that?
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18:53<jclinton>woocyfear, that's linux full-on software raid
18:53<jclinton>woocyfear, which has more features but is not compatible with fakeraid
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18:54<woocyfear>but i see partitions, or what is the problem?
18:55<jclinton>you do not want mdadm
18:55<jclinton>just ignore it
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18:55<woocyfear>oh you thought it's better
18:55<jclinton>right; but it will not work for you
18:55<woocyfear>but than i will lose my data?
18:56<jclinton>MDADM = bad
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18:56<jclinton>DMRAID = good
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18:56<woocyfear>but only for me??
18:56<jclinton>woocyfear, correct
18:56<woocyfear>when better mdadm?
18:57<jclinton>woocyfear, when you don't have to care about windows
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18:57<woocyfear>i understand
18:58<woocyfear>but only windows or data?
18:58<jclinton>woocyfear, windows
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18:59<woocyfear>so if i want mdadm i need to format hdd?
18:59<jclinton>woocyfear, eh, not format but wipe, yes
18:59<Guest6>sex yes
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19:00<woocyfear>ok, thank everything
19:00<woocyfear>good bye
19:00<jclinton>!warn Guest6
19:00<woocyfear>porno a seggebbe bazdmeg
19:01<woocyfear>mennyé sex chatelni
19:01<woocyfear>érted vazzeee? Guest6
19:01<Guest6>girl and my nnoon ssa
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19:02<Guest6>do you langage french
19:02<enouf>hrm, i wonder if perhaps you can also just use this
19:02<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
19:02<Guest6>vous parler francais
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19:03<Guest6>les filles sont des deesses
19:03<bja>Guest6: /j #debian-fr si vous plais
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19:04<Guest6>pour longtemes est parti
19:04<sney>non ici
19:04<jclinton>ugh ia32-apt-get is such a headache
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19:05<craigevil>jclinton: it should have never been uploaded to sid
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19:05<jclinton>i have it working it's just the version jitter is just insane
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19:05<jclinton>ie, when a ia32 package hits the mirrors before the amd64 build does
19:06<Guest6>sney tu parle en franssais
19:06<sney>je ne parle pas francais
19:06<Guest6>,ai tu ecri en franssai
19:07<craigevil>jclinton: if your running sid you might want to take a look at its a nice upgrade script that tends to check for broken packages and holds them so you don't end up with a broken system
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19:07<dkr>I enjoy the irony of saying you don't speak a language in that language
19:07<Guest6>sney tu ecris en franfais
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19:07<Guest6>les filles en bikini wow
19:07<jclinton>aptitude is making a pretty good go at trying to hold the insanity at bay
19:08<dkr>don't encourage him, sney . he is just trolling
19:08<sney>dkr: indeed. ich spreche kein deutsche, too
19:08<Guest6>ya man bikini girl
19:08<bja>dkr: I enjoy looking at a Canadian writing lousy french
19:08<sney>all the french I know I learned from reading road signs and labels at the supermakert
19:08<dkr>sney: watashi wa nihongo ari-masen
19:08<Guest6>un bikini ,a mon sai po sai koi
19:09<jclinton>can we get some admin action here, please?
19:09<Guest6>a ki
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19:10<bja>dpkg: tell Guest6 about fr
19:10<stew>Guest6: do you have a debian related question, if so, please just ask it, in english. If you want to speak french, do it in #debian-fr, not hnere
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19:10<Guest6>un ti bikini
19:11<adb>stew: ban him please
19:11<Guest6>it;s what bikini
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19:12<stew>Guest6: please respond to my PMs
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19:12<Guest6>what stew
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19:13<stew>Guest6: I sent you a couple of private messages. please respond to them
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19:13<Guest6>stew create a new messenger
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19:24<davi>Is there a django-blocks package for Debian?
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19:32<deniz>what is the apt equivalent of this command?: aptitude build-dep
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19:40<ml|>deniz: man apt-get
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19:52<deniz>ml|, is it just apt-get build-dep? or apt build-dep?
19:52<stroyan>deniz: It is "sudo apt-get build-dep packagename"
19:53<deniz>stroyan, thank you
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19:54<ml|>deniz: like stroyan said and man apt-get ;)
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19:57<adb>ml|: sudo is a ubuntu cmd ...
19:57<krazykit>no it isn't
19:58<adb> an*
19:58<krazykit>ubuntu /uses/ sudo by default, but it's not like you can't install it on other systems
19:58<craigevil>no it isnt , it's just not setup by default on debian
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19:58<deniz>i use both su and sudo :)
19:58<deniz>su is my sudo -i basically
19:58*krazykit uses sudo all the time
19:59<dkr>sudo i
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20:00<ml|>adb: you know it's not ;P
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20:09<miguel>can i force mplayer to switch to 1024x768 whenever i go to fullscreen
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20:09<miguel>because otherwise the picture does not fit onto my tv
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20:12<adb>miguel: get a test with vlc
20:13<miguel>you think with vlc it will work automatically?
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20:16<miguel>i dont get what you mean
20:16<miguel>i want to switch resolution automatically when going to fullscreen
20:16<miguel>it does not happen in vlc either
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20:17<SQlvpapir>miguel: check out #mplayer on freenode
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20:20<nono>vlc 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 ?
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21:23<deniz>what's the package responsible for screenshot taking with "prt scr"?
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21:27<dkr>deniz: metacity calls gnome-screenshot when you hit that key
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21:27<dkr>which is in gnome-utils
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21:28<deniz>dkr, k thanks
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21:52<cwhuang>Hi, who can tell me why set-group-ID doesn't work on debian lenny?
21:54<cwhuang>mkdir /a;chgrp git /a;chmod 2775 /a;ls -al /a
21:54<cwhuang>drwxrwsr-x 2 root git 4096 2009-06-30 09:53 .
21:55<cwhuang>Now su to a user in that group, and mkdir /a/a1; ls -al /a/a1
21:55<cwhuang>drwxr-sr-x 2 cwhuang git 4096 2009-06-30 09:55 .
21:56<cwhuang>The directory permission is 2755, not the expected 2775
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21:59<cwhuang>I tested the same procedures on Fedora 11, it's 2775, as expected
21:59<dkr>cwhuang: setgid on the dir only affects the group ownership of newly created files, not permissions
22:00<dkr>cwhuang: you need to set your umask to 002
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22:01<cwhuang>dkr: Ah! Got it! Thanks a lot!
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22:12<mason_>craigevil, you there?
22:12<Patrick>hey guys.......I am tring to download the latest image from no files are there....says cant be found.......anyone know what is going on?
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22:13<craigevil>mason_: yes
22:13<mason_>Patrick, maybe simple http error. FTP server could be down.
22:13<mason_>craigevil, thanks for the info about backports i got my flash working and now myspace is more lively lol but it works fine.
22:13<mason_>no problems what so ever.
22:13<Patrick>mason_......thank you......could you confirm for me on debian's website?.....just to make sure it aint me......
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22:14<mason_>Patrick, Ok give me a moment.
22:15<mason_>Patrick, this http server works use this.
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22:16<mason_>If it doesnt work then its you.
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22:17<Patrick>thank you mason_
22:18<mason_>Patrick, no problem is everything working ok?
22:19<Patrick>mason_.....yes.....downloading "debian-501-i386-netinst.iso" now.....154 meg....thats the right one right?
22:20<mason_>if your computer is a i386 then yea.
22:20<mason_>well i mean intel then yea.
22:20<Patrick>just a regular winderz laptop.......gonna partition it and make it dual boot......
22:20<mason_>Patrick, If your computer has a amd processor and or is 64 bit download the other one.
22:20<mason_>Patrick, Ok
22:20<Patrick>no intel
22:20<Patrick>thank you
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22:21<mason_>Patrick, Weird thing is my moms computer is a intel and its running a amd 64x ubuntu software. 0.o
22:21<mason_>Patrick, Weird huh lmao.
22:21<abrotman>why is this shocking?
22:22<abrotman>amd64 is jsut a name that they gave to x86_64 that both intel and amd implement
22:22<mason_>i didnt know amd platform can run on a intel platform and exspecially since it aint 64 bit.
22:22<Patrick>sure is
22:22<dpkg>i heard amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
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22:23<mason_>dpkg, true true.
22:23<dpkg>mason_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
22:23<abrotman>anything that is recent from intel/amd should be 64bit .. compatible with amd64/x86_64/em64t .. etch
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22:23<abrotman>erm .. etc
22:23<mason_>yes im not sure really if its 64 or not but i guess in the last 2 year range it should be 64.
22:24<abrotman>if it was a decent machine when bought, pretty likely
22:24<mason_>it was a custom machine like i said not sure.
22:25<mason_>but its what ev. if it runs it runs :)
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22:26<mason_>plus my parents arnt looking to get the best stuff outta there computer only for email look up and internet lookup so yea no big deal.
22:28<mason_>Patrick, Hows it coming its downloading ok?
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22:33<Snowember>if you dont have more 3.5GB of RAM, i386 is more compatible with some of the stuff out there, as in ia-32-libs are a pain, or you might need a chroot...
22:34<Snowember>not saying it can't be done, it's just less hassle for a beginner
22:34<jrabbit>shut up
22:34<jrabbit>You're as bad as ubuntards
22:34<mason_>yea but most of us using linux aint beginners we know our way around the basics of computers.
22:35<mason_>linux is like the olden days coding and using the terminal. Its fun to know linux but now aday os make everything easy and lazy.
22:35<jrabbit>If you understand what 64 bit is and that shit like flash which shouldn't be used anyways *might* have issues...
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22:35<Patrick>yeah got it downloaded......but now having trouble burning it to cd
22:35<jrabbit>It's worth the effort
22:35<jrabbit>QQ for you
22:35<abrotman>jrabbit: that's not really helpful for people that just want it to work
22:36<mason_>whats the problem.
22:36<jrabbit>Burning an ISO isn't that hard... unless you're on windows
22:36<mason_>windows is even easier.
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22:36<abrotman>jrabbit: you're still missing the point
22:36<mason_>download burning program for free. which ubuntu website gives you code
22:36<mason_>and burn the image,
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22:36<Patrick>going now
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22:36<mason_>going where to ubuntu site?
22:37<mason_>i might be able to get it for you.
22:37<abrotman>please take the ubuntu chatter somewhere else
22:37<jrabbit>Are you fucking trolling in my beloved #debian?
22:37<abrotman>jrabbit: knock it off
22:38<mason_>abortman im sorry im just saying its a easier way to get a link to a iso burner.
22:38<jrabbit>dpkg probably knows about this but I don't know the trigger for iso dumbness :)
22:38<dpkg>jrabbit: You are moron #1
22:38<abrotman>jrabbit: if you're not going to be helpful, please be quiet
22:39<mason_>patrick if you need a new burner use this if your on windows.
22:39<Patrick>brb.....if everything goes ok I will be back using xchat......
22:39<Patrick>got it done
22:39<mason_>its open source and works great.
22:39<Patrick>got to set boot sequence and see what happens......brb
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22:41<mason_>thank you abortman for clearing that mess up.
22:41<woocyfear>Hello everybody
22:41<woocyfear>i have problem
22:41<mason_>what would that be?
22:41<abrotman>mason_: FWIW .. if you do a "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags" .. and you see the 'lm' flag, that's an x86_64 CPU
22:41<woocyfear>and i need some help
22:42<mason_>abortman, thanks i know already. Im just mad at jrabit interupting a conversation i was helpinp some.
22:42<woocyfear>i now installed a new os on an existing nvidia raid
22:43<woocyfear>and now i want to mount the ntfs partition
22:43<adb>installed what
22:43<mason_>operating system.
22:43<mason_>OS = operating system.
22:43<woocyfear>i have 3 partition
22:43<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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22:44<adb>woocyfear: installed which OS?
22:44<mason_>god old habbits dont die sorry about the excessive entering key.
22:44<woocyfear>debian lenny
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22:45<mason_>okay and you have 3 partitions what would be the problem with them?
22:46<woocyfear>i had 3 ntfs, with windows on the first, and now i want debian, and i installed to the first partiotion but i have important data on the third
22:46<woocyfear>i would like to mount it to save
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22:46<Snowember>woocyfear: mount -t ntfs
22:47<woocyfear>sorry for my english
22:47<mason_>so just clearing this up you have 3 partitions 1 = windows 2=linux and 3=important data?
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22:47<woocyfear>1=linux 2=swap 3=imp
22:47<mason_>okay maybe snowember can help you with this one im having problems understanding.
22:47<woocyfear>i removed windows, i don't nedd
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22:48<snowember>you want to copy files from your ntfs data partition to linux?
22:48<mason_>use terminal and do what snowember instructed type mount -t ntfs
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22:49<snowember>ok, make a place to mount the partition, for example, /mnt/win/
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22:49<woocyfear>yes, i did
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22:50<snowember>ok, now, as root (sudo or whatever), mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win
22:50<snowember>assuming linux sees windows partition as /dev/hda1, whait that should be /dev/hda3
22:51<jrabbit>its based on the partition number and disk type
22:51<woocyfear>no, it is sdb3 at me
22:52<TiMiDo>snowember, dmesg
22:52<jrabbit>sd*= sata disk
22:52<TiMiDo>it will tell you
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22:52<snowember>that's right, sorry, I forgot to check
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22:53<snowember>at least we cleared it up pretty quickly
22:53<woocyfear>i got >> /dev/sdb3 already mounted or /mnt/ntfs busy
22:53<snowember>ls /mnt/ntfs ?
22:54<woocyfear>i created
22:54<snowember>yeah, but can you see your windows files there?
22:54<snowember>maybe debian already mounted it for you, check in /media
22:55<woocyfear>i installed ntfs-3g
22:55<woocyfear>i tried already
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22:55<woocyfear>but unsuccessfully
22:56<snowember>mount | grep sdb3
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22:57<woocyfear>it is show nothing
22:58<woocyfear>not in /media too
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22:59<woocyfear>i tried umount >> umount: /mnt/ntfs: not mounted
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23:01<woocyfear>what now?
23:02<snowember>are you sure it is sdb3? can you pastebin your dmesg?
23:03<woocyfear>what is dmesg?
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23:04<woocyfear>i have 3 partition and i have sdb1 and sdb2 it is sure
23:04<snowember>dmesg is the command that prints out some of what your system logged, like what hardware it saw
23:04<woocyfear>i think sdb3 is th third
23:04<woocyfear>where can i find it?
23:05<snowember>just enter dmesg in a terminal
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23:05<snowember>copy the output and post it on
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23:07<sean>hello, does anyone here know where i can get the Adesk application for lenny deb?
23:07<woocyfear>i posted
23:07<snowember>what is the address?
23:09<woocyfear>do you see?
23:12<snowember>so all 3 partitions are on the same striped raid, and you can see the first 2?
23:12<woocyfear>on the first is linux
23:13<woocyfear>this, where i writing from
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23:14<woocyfear>oh yes
23:14<woocyfear>i did it
23:15<woocyfear>it was /dev/mapper/nvidia_dccaaaba3
23:15<woocyfear>not /de/sdb3
23:16<woocyfear>now i see everything
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23:16<woocyfear>i have very important data on it , i was very nervous
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23:16<woocyfear>thank you very much
23:17<woocyfear>yet another question
23:17<woocyfear>i have a laptop too
23:17<woocyfear>1100MHz 256MB RAM
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23:18<woocyfear>I installed debian lenny i386 on it, but not found pcmcia wireless card
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23:19<dpkg>PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable.
23:19<woocyfear>i installed already nswrapper, and i installed the windiws .inf driver
23:20<woocyfear>but it says driver installed, and hardware not presents
23:22<woocyfear>what can be the problem?
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23:24<woocyfear>i installed the operating system on another machine, because my laptop doesn't have dvd rom, and then i put back the hdd into my laptop
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23:30<snowember>google says that there might be a problem with not using the right version of the driver
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23:31<snowember>woocyfear: did you download the inf from the web or copy it from windows?
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23:35<snowember>did you take a look at or ?
23:35<woocyfear>it is the same as in windows
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23:38<woocyfear>i tried xp and 98 drivers
23:41<gsimmons>woocyfear: What wireless device (brand/model) are you attempting to use?
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23:43<woocyfear>d-link G650+
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23:44<gsimmons>woocyfear: Which revision?
23:44<woocyfear>what can be? i don't understand
23:45<gsimmons>woocyfear: Hardware revision (e.g. "h/w ver B1"), usually stated somewhere on the device, if any.
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23:52<joe__>i cant seem to get my samba working right, ive tried everything i can find to read
23:52<joe__>i cant seem to make a folder writeable
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23:52<joe__>i can read it
23:52<joe__>and i can make it so i log in to read it
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23:52<joe__>can the access be share and it still be writeable
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