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00:18<Steven_M>hi all
00:18<Steven_M>I want to create a kdm .desktop file (session type) that runs a script instead of launching the session directly. My script itself works fine, but the .desktop file doesn't like launching the script. Any idea why? Here's the .desktop file:
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00:21<sney`>why'd you put it in /opt ?
00:21<snowember>stupid question, did you set the executable bit?
00:23<Steven_M>snowember: of the script, yes
00:24<Steven_M>sney`: seemed as good of place as any?
00:24<sney`>yeah I suppose it probably doesn't matter
00:25<sney`>can you pastebin the script as well? there's not much to debug in the .desktop file
00:25<sney`>unless it needs to end with a CR or something
00:27<snowember>does it need a she-bang?
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00:29<Steven_M>sney`: I've tested the script by itself and it works fine, but I'll paste it anyway.
00:30<sney`>she bangs she bangs
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00:33<Steven_M>sney`: here it is:
00:34<sney`>not much to debug there either
00:34<sney`>maybe put the full paths?
00:34<sney`>I mean, I'm sure they're in your PATH but you never know what kdm is looking for
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00:35<Steven_M>snowember: what's a she-bang?
00:36<sney`>that's the #!
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00:39<snowember>ha, I was trying to log into kde to check out .desktops, but gdm wouldn't let me
00:40<snogglethorpe>how do you "log into kde"?
00:40<Steven_M>if the paths were the problem, then the script wouldn't have worked when I tested it in an x console.
00:40<snowember>switch user, set session type to kde, log in
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00:42<burd>any ideas why none of the links to images work on the site?
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00:43<snowember>burd: like what?
00:43<drakeman>ml|, hey how are ou.
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00:44<burd>that is from
00:44<drakeman>ml|, sleeping already! xD
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00:45<sney`>burd: weird, the 5.0.2 directory is gone and current is linking back to 5.0.1
00:45<snowember>Steven_M: try starting with a .desktop that you know works, maybe you're missing something kde wants
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00:46<Steven_M>snowember: I did
00:47<burd>sney` yes IIRC there was a bug posted for this ike 2 weeks ago
00:47<sney`>well 5.0.2 only came out on saturday
00:47<burd>oh then different problem
00:48<sney`>if you're installing, the smallest netinst image should bring you the latest lenny
00:49<burd>yah.. does the lenny installerhave a rescuemode on the netinstall cd?
00:49<drakeman>well see you guys
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00:49<sney`>it should, just another tty
00:49<sney`>any linux livecd will do that though, all you gotta do is chroot
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00:50<burd>just checking i'[m working with w remote location and i havent used the lenny installer yet
00:50<sney`>it's pretty much the same as all the previous debian installers
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00:50<burd>k cool
00:50<sney`>good ol' ncurses
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00:51<burd>this is a tough afternoon for me one of my remote server root partition died and the only guy i got has spent 5 hours trying to burn and boot debian lol
00:51<snowember>Steven_M: is Type=XSession a valid value? try Type=Application, does it still do what you want?
00:52<drako>Has anyone been able to get the latest version of SWF-Player installed, I cant seem to get past the GTK dependency issues.
00:53<drako>I have also submitted it as a possible upgrade for the Package Manager
00:54<Steven_M>snowember: cool, I'll that in a minute, be back soon
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01:05<k1lumin4t1>HAL shoulda been named HAML instead
01:05<k1lumin4t1>Hardware Abstraction Magical Layer
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01:05<k1lumin4t1>it works in mysterious ways
01:05<jm_>welcome to the desktop crap
01:06<adama26>HAML sounds like a markup language though
01:06<jm_>and let lamers use linux
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01:06<k1lumin4t1>hal problems can't be even debugged
01:07<k1lumin4t1>I dunno where to find info on what's happening
01:07<k1lumin4t1>it's so silent
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01:19<Steven_M>sney: snowember: I got it to work :)
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01:35<Steven_M>snowember: sney`: The problem was, all the commands in my were script background processes. To fix it I had to reorder the script so that xscreensaver, klipper, kwalletmanager and kmix were run first as background processes, then run xmonad in last place as a foreground process
01:37<snowember>I wonder why it woked by itself
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01:40<jm_>that's standard stuff for xsession
01:44<Steven_M>snowember: cause it was when I tested it in konsole, it's operation was tied to konsole as a foreground process. Trying to run it as a kdm session type meant there was no foreground process to tie it to.
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01:45<snowember>oh, so the problem was putting xmonad in the background?
01:46<Steven_M>yep :)
01:46<Steven_M>does anyone here use kate?
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01:47<snowember>all the time
01:48<Steven_M>how do I clear the recent document list?
01:49<snowember>look in ~/.kde/share/apps/kate/
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01:54<Steven_M>snowember: do I delete the metainfos file?
01:55<snowember>Steven_M: wait, that didn't work
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01:57<snowember>Steven_M: it is in .kde/share/config/katerc
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01:58<snowember>Steven_M: under [Recent Files]
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02:27<SamuelCernunnos>é tive q voltar pro etch
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02:49<Madkiss>hi folks
02:50<Madkiss>I am trying to create an automatically preseeded debian-installer with automatic partitioning. depending on the system that the thing runs on, I may need to adapt some of the partitioning settings, what's the best way to do this?
02:52<jm_>one option might be to do it via DHCP and give them different settings based on that
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03:16<fanto666>Hello, can anyone confirm that the current kernel install scripts dont' run lilo and why? I have everything configured as in etch and I have found no mention about abandoning lilo support
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03:18<jm_>fanto666: define current
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03:19<fanto666>aha... versions since lenny's release
03:20<jm_>it does
03:21<fanto666>hmmm, it does not here, but I can try installing from scratch
03:21<fanto666>(I have checked the kernel-img.conf)
03:21<jm_>check kernel-img.conf
03:21<jm_>doh ;)
03:21<Steven_M>snowember: thanks :)
03:21<fanto666>do_bootloader = Yes
03:22<Madkiss>Is there some more detailed information available about the flags in partitioning-recipe than has? I don't get the format of the numbers at the beginning
03:22<fanto666>no mention/docs about configuring lilo as bootloader
03:22<Madkiss>just gotta know what to google for.
03:25<jm_>do you also have grub installed?
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03:25<fanto666>jm_: no
03:28<snogglethorpe>ugh,... what's with the ia32 libs stuff... seems to be very broken at the moment
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03:29<Lemonzest>anyone know why pidgin from backports is not logging into Yahoo (lenny, pidgin 2.5.5)
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03:30<TiMiDo>Lemonzest, try and looking for bugs on the pidgin website it self
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03:30<TiMiDo>i believed there is an upstream version release
03:31<fanto666>does yahoo already behave as ICQ?
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03:31<TiMiDo>who knows
03:31<TiMiDo>yahoo sucks lol
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03:32<Lemonzest>TiMiDo: yeah 2.5.8 is out, any idea when it will be backported for Lenny?
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03:32<TiMiDo>Lemonzest, just install the tarball from the website
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03:33<fanto666>hmmm, the version from lenny does work?
03:33<Lemonzest>not sure, but on the pidgin website, there is mention of yhaoo changing the login meathod
03:34<fanto666>aha. in such case backport update could be seen soon
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03:36<fanto666>or you may try locally compiling the one from sid
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03:50<`1>cheers guys.. i have a problem.. it seems that for some reason,my optical unit doesn`t recognize the dvd`s.. but it does open cd`s.. any ideea?
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03:53<jm_>fanto666: it does look like it can't handle no-grub situation properly
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03:57<jm_>I also noticed it left grub stuff in kernel-img.conf after removing grub
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04:04<fanto666>jm_: I've never had grub installed so I couldn't notice that...
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04:05<fanto666>I have only notices that after first lenny (kernel) upgrade my machines didn't boot
04:05<jm_>fanto666: check postinst-hook setting
04:06<fanto666>none here
04:07<fanto666>yes calling lilo from that should work
04:08<jm_>yeah I set that to /sbin/lilo
04:08<jm_>no idea if this was needed in the past since I never used debian kernels
04:08<fanto666>but that's a workaround, a bugreport should be created I think
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04:15<jm_>actually lilo doesn't seem to be enough, since new lilo.conf has to be generated
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04:15<fanto666>new? not here
04:16<jm_>sure it has to add new kernel to it
04:16<fanto666>and even, not always...
04:16<jm_>(in general)
04:16<jm_>sometimes just running lilo is enough
04:16<jm_>man it shows I haven't used lilo for ages, forgot all this crap is needed ;)
04:16<fanto666>if the kernel is only upgraded... yes there could be more checks
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04:25<fanto666>the problem is, when installing, lilo gets run from installed. It breaks on kernel update :(
04:25<fanto666>jm_: any idea which package should I send bugreport to?
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04:25<fanto666>linux-image-2.6 ?
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04:28<jm_>fanto666: hmm not sure, probably best to file it against the package you experienced this with and they will re-assign it if needed
04:29<fanto666>can I do that with one mail?
04:30<jm_>do what?
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04:30<fanto666>report bug for multiple packages
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04:30<fanto666>i guess not
04:30<jm_>don't think so
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04:32<`1>cheers guys.. could someone help? since i made some upgrades,including a newer kernel,my optical unit doesn`t recognize anymore DVD`s..but only CD`s .. is this because of the UDF confs. or?
04:32<`1>does anyone have any ideea?
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04:33<jm_>recognize them how?
04:33<`1>well.. they aren`t they aren`t inserted.. how should i explain..
04:34<`1>if i try a manual mount..the shel is hanging.. nothing happends
04:34<jm_>can you mount it manually?
04:34<jm_>check kernel messages when this happens
04:34<`1>dmesg |tail?
04:34<jm_>or just omit '|tail'
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04:35<`1>yeah.. i get a looong file of "Too big adjustment 32"
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04:35<`1>long list *
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04:40<jm_>`1: put it on a pstebin
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04:48<samantha-c>i'm trying to do an apt-get update for's debian repository. i'm getting an error code 2 out of bzip2 trying to download the Packages file ... the Packages file is a gzip file ... who's at fault? i've had this work on debian systems before ...
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04:50<jm_>`1: hmm start of this is missing
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04:51<`1>is an output of the other stuff the kernel is loading..detecting..etc
04:51<`1>i just restarted my box 5 mins ago
04:51<jm_>what's the last line before too big adjustment?
04:52<`1>about loading the nvidia module
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04:53<jm_>ok those adjustment messages are for alsa, but why does your CD say tray open
04:53<`1>but sometimes i get this
04:54<jm_>those are OK
04:54<`1>because i try a manual mount.. didn`t work so i had to take out the disk
04:54<jm_>right it has trouble reading the disc
04:55<`1>the optical unit is ok.. at boot time,does read the windows bootable dvd...or any other
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04:55<jm_>does it work in debian if you boot older kernel?
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04:56<`1>that`s the problem.. i had 2.6.26 now i have 2.6.29X
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04:56<`1>and i deleted the older image
04:56<`1>purged actually
04:56<jm_>ahh install it back and try, otherwise you might try to use libata driver for your IDE controller if it's available
04:57<`1>ok.. is there something missing in my kernel conf. ?
04:57<`1>it fails to load a module..or
04:57<jm_>is it a custom kernel?
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05:04<Zzz>Hi. I got a corrupted /usr/bin leaving me with an empty directory. I am now repairing this. However I came across a problem with Python
05:05<Zzz>When I try to reinstall Python packages I get all kind of errors about python scripts that cannot be found and suggestions to set PYTHONPATH
05:05<Zzz>what is the best way to fix this please?
05:05<jm_>unpack it manually so the files are there first
05:06<Zzz>apt-get install --reinstall or dpkg -i the packages is not sufficient
05:06<Zzz>I think most files are actually there but some symlinks or config stuff might be missing
05:08<jm_>most is obviously not enough
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05:09<Zzz>true, but as some (I have not checked all errors) scripts are actually there I feel that there might be a path issue or something
05:09<jm_>put one such example on a pastebin
05:09<Zzz>tricky, I would have to reboot and but the output on usbstick and reboot, but I can do so
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05:10<Zzz>currently I use the same machine but using a knoppix CD
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05:10<jm_>you can mount it, chroot into it and install stuff that way
05:11<Zzz>lot of work as I have hw raid and LVM setup
05:12<Zzz>knoppix supports this so so
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05:29<melkart>the link to the netinst CD image is still broken... after ca. 48 hours! ( ) this can't be right... i just would like you to know!
05:29<jm_>yeah but you can find 5.0.1 images
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05:31<melkart>jm_: yes.. after some searching, i can... a clueless newbie might not be able to, though....
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05:32<locklace>erm, yeah, that is a pretty bad web bug
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05:39<eupator>Hey people some one knows where wall outlet 220v, that I can connect to router and control it?!
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05:40<eupator>*Hey people some one knows where can i find wall outlet 220v, that I can connect to router and control it?!
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05:46<Zzz>jm, pastebin:
05:47<jm_>trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload'
05:47<jm_>you need to fix this
05:49<Zzz>some strange things are happening. For instance I purged libpango1.0-0 (see bottom) and checked that eveything was gone. Reinstalled it and now debian complains on symlink
05:49<Zzz>also for some reason Debian claims to be in lenny/sid state instead of just lenny. I never tried sid
05:49<Zzz>not a single package
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05:50<Zzz>How should I fix this? Purge python packages? It seems that python packages depend on eaqch other and themselves. I do not want to end up with a unusable system. Python seems to be a snakepit
05:51<jm_>purging all python stuff would probably be the easiest
05:52<jm_>it's also strange that it finds directories where files should be - are you sure you have no hardware problems?
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05:53<Zzz>normally I would agree. But Python is a bit weird: installing python did complain about missing /usr/bin/python. This happens for python2.4 python2.5 python2.4-minimal python2.5-minimal. So it looks at first glance it depends on itself
05:53<jm_>that's just a symlink
05:54<Zzz>jm_, although my raidcard (areca) did not report errors and there was nothing in logs I suddenly got thousands of errors. I replaced my disks and are working now from an image of those disks as I do not want to lose my data and settings
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05:55<Zzz>got once an error on these too with a thousand errors but that might be the heat or humidity or a software issue I hope
05:55<Zzz>A bit strange if 4 new drives die on me
05:55<Zzz>card is 1 year old
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05:55<jm_>Zzz: perhaps RAM problem then, but you would usually see other strange issues too
05:55<Zzz>yup. Did not see a thing comming
05:56<jm_>Zzz: this looks like file system corruption to me
05:56<Zzz>I did lose /usr/bin
05:56<Zzz>and some parts of /usr/lib I think
05:57<Zzz>trying to fix things now
05:58<jm_>and some parts which should be files are dirs now
05:58<Zzz>yup. which is tricky: debsums seems not to handle symlinks well and dpkg --purge does not remove those dirs so I have to do a lot of manual checking and repairing
05:59<Zzz>spend a great manu hours on this already
05:59<jm_>yeah dpkg does the right thing, so you have to remove it manually
05:59<Zzz>is there a more severe checking for integrity toolkit besides debsums?
06:00<jm_>there are tools like aide, fcheck ... but that won't help you now
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06:07<yang>Hello ! I have this "aptitude safe-upgrade" error -
06:08<samantha-c>is there a way to pick up -only- apt, apt-doc, apt-utils, and related dependencies, from sid, and leave the rest at squeeze?
06:08<jm_>samantha-c: yes, see pinning
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06:14<jm_>yang: do you have any initramfs hooks that do this?
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06:20<samantha-c>hrm, this sucks. the bug report i found describing the problem i have is closed, and i have a newer version than is indicated as fixing the issue. greaaaat.
06:21<yang>jm_: I found the similar bug @
06:22<yang>initramfs-tools flag in dpkg is "iF"
06:23<jm_>yang: yeah probably debug mkinitramfs with -x to see which part fails
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06:24<yang>jm_: like "sh -x mkinitramfs -o ~/tmp/initramfs-$(uname -r) 2> ~/tmp/log" ?
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06:25<samantha-c>looks like it's time for a new bug report.
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06:26<yang>jm_: that will probably update the current kernel
06:27<jm_>yang: just sh -x mkinitramfs -o /tmp/bla &> /tmp/crap
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06:28<jm_>yang: you can use -v to specify which kernel
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06:32<yang>jm_: could you check
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06:34<jm_>yang: do ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/gnupg-ccid.rules
06:34<yang>rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2009-04-27 13:09 /etc/udev/rules.d/gnupg-ccid.rules -> /etc/udev/gnupg-ccid.rules
06:35<jm_>does /etc/udev/gnupg-ccid.rules exist?
06:35<jm_>the error would tell me it doesn't but ...
06:35<jm_>so remove the symlink
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06:36<yang>if that is all I will try to "dpkg --configure -a"
06:37<jm_>yup go ahead
06:38<yang>jm_: thanks, I should buy you a beer sometime ! :)
06:38<jm_>yang: no worries
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06:44<locklace>!beer jm_
06:44*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for jm_
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06:55<snogglethorpe>if only one could collect on the beers people offer over irc/email/......
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07:03<locklace>snogglethorpe: there should be a beertracker web site that tracks all your beers and their cities of origin. then when you show up in one, you can call in the beer.
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07:56<fanto666>jm_: having grub-pc and grub-common doesn't help, do I need something else?
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07:58<jm_>fanto666: doesn't help for what, automatically adding new kernels to boot menu?
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08:04<fanto666>for running lilo after kernel image installation
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08:05<jm_>fanto666: ahh no it wouldn't - I have asked because I noticed it has some checks for grub that make it not do the lilo thing :)
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08:06<Tuplad>when I insert a dvd it doesn't show op on the left in nautilus, neither is it accessable in /media, how can I fix this ?
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08:09<fanto666>jm_: so you think the lilo will not be run at all?
08:10<jm_>fanto666: I haven't looked in detail once I noticed it needs updated lilo.conf
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08:12<fanto666>jm_: where did you find that? I was looking at the postinst script but it was a bit complicated for me
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08:28<iamjay>hi there..
08:28<iamjay>what do I have to do to go to the latest rev. on a certain app branch? e.g. awesome?
08:28<iamjay>amd64 here.
08:28<jm_>fanto666: yeah in postinst
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08:30<iamjay>I tried to compile latest git from awesome, so I tried apt-get build-dep awesome first, but it seems that all those things are too low versions :/
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08:42<Tuplad>when I insert a dvd it doesn't show op on the left in nautilus, neither is it accessable in /media, how can I fix this ?
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08:49<schlurchz>Hi. I just downloaded the Debian installer for USB sticks; is there a way to check if it is already updated to the recent 5.0.2?
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08:50<schlurchz>Grepping the image or the initrd I don't find anything obvious.
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08:52<power>sup all
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08:53<jm_>not sure if usb images are different, but for CD the links on the web are wrong so one can't download them currently
08:54<schlurchz>jm_: hmm, as I tried the CD images yesterday they were indeed broken, but I found them to work now
08:54<schlurchz>jm_: oh, I mean the jigdo files, sorry
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08:55<jm_>schlurchz: ahh cool
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09:00<simNIX>FWIW: I used debootstrap to Debianize my 16Gb usb flash drive
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09:02<Tuplad>when I insert a dvd it doesn't show op on the left in nautilus, neither is it accessable in /media, how can I fix this ?
09:03<dr|z3d>Tuplad: google around for automount.
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09:06<jm_>hmm automount wouldn't help with that
09:07<Tuplad>what I've also noticed is that after I went from etch to lenny and did apt-get dist-upgrade
09:07<Tuplad>all my mounted partitions disappeared from nautilus
09:07<Tuplad>I can access my 70gb partition, but it disappeared from nautilus :<
09:07<ghantoos>there was a bug with gnome-volume-manager
09:08<ghantoos>i think it has been fixed though
09:08<samantha-c>does reportbug keep a log of reported bugs somewhere? a report i tried to file seems to have vanished into smtp never-never land ...
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09:09<ghantoos>Tuplad: what does "dpkg -l gnome-volume-manager" return?
09:09<ghantoos>Tuplad: just the version
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09:15<Tuplad>ghantoos: 2.24.1-3
09:15<ghantoos>Tuplad: the bug i was talking about was fixed in 2.24.1-3
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09:17<Garda>am i the only one for whom isn't working?
09:17<ghantoos>Garda: i'm on it
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09:24<schlurchz>My internet connection went down. Did anyone know how to check the release number of usb stick installer images?
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09:27<Desph> Right click -> Get info
09:28<Desph>Or install it and see what version it is
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09:30<Tuplad>ghantoos: hmm
09:30<Tuplad>ghantoos: it all happened after apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade ... weird
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09:33<Tuplad>ghantoos: and I've just popped in a trashy ubuntu live dvd and it works :o
09:33<Tuplad>ghantoos: can view it etc. but not a video dvd disk
09:34<dr|z3d>Tuplad: you'd need to install extra codecs for that.
09:34<schlurchz>Desph: haha, right click, how windows-style *g*
09:34<dr|z3d>(doable, even in a livecd session)
09:34<Desph>Yeah rofl
09:34<schlurchz>Desph: what right click do you mean? In the gtk-installer?
09:35<Tuplad>dr|z3d: I mean, I popped in a cd just to check if it worked or not, it works fine, so it's not my dvdrom =)
09:35<Tuplad>dr|z3d: which codecs would that be?
09:35<Desph>No, it was just a joke ;)
09:35<Tuplad>dr|z3d: libdvdcss?
09:36<schlurchz>Desph: see, I've seen so many Ubuntu-Users handling things that way that I failed to see you were ironic :-)
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09:40<dr|z3d>Tuplad: ubuntu-restricted-extras should do it.
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09:40<Tuplad>dr|z3d: but I'm a debian user
09:40<dr|z3d>You were talking about Ubuntu LiveCD.
09:40<Tuplad>dr|z3d: read above ^
09:40<Tuplad>dr|z3d: I mean, I popped in a cd just to check if it worked or not, it works fine, so it's not my dvdrom =)
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09:41<dr|z3d>Right. Gotcha.
09:41<Tuplad>dr|z3d: it was a random cd on my desk :)
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09:51<simNIX>!tell Tuplad about why aptitude
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09:51<drakeman>good morning to everyone.....
09:51<drakeman>ml|, hey!
09:51<simNIX>good morning
09:52<Tuplad>simNIX: I don't see where you're going :D
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09:52<simNIX>you said you used apt
09:52<simNIX>whilst aptitude has better conflict / dependency resolutions
09:52<simNIX>and is recomended over apt-get
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09:52<Tuplad>simNIX: well, I can't turn back time can I ?
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09:53<simNIX>no but still I thought it was good to share ...
09:53<Tuplad>simNIX: I always use aptitude, but they recommended me to use apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade
09:53<Tuplad>simNIX: oh, thanks !
09:53<simNIX>.they being ?
09:53<Tuplad>simNIX: someone in this channel, a couple of weeks ago
09:53<simNIX>both tools do the job
09:54<simNIX>just from what I get aptitude a better one
09:54<simNIX>thought Id mention that
09:54<simNIX>anytime anyone sais do apt this
09:54<simNIX>and you make it aptitude this it will also work
09:55<Tuplad>simNIX: oh well... :(
09:55<Tuplad>simNIX: I don't like apt that much :( I like shiny things, like aptitude
09:56<simNIX>wish I had also fix for now :(
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09:57<simNIX>got one tip to get back all installed on resintall (if thats needed:
09:57<Tuplad>sorry, I don't understand that one, could you repeat ? =)
09:58<simNIX>im looking up a command
09:58<simNIX>that makes list of all pkg installed now
09:58<simNIX>and command to on bare bones new install install from that list in 1 go
09:58<simNIX>no fix but may save time
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09:58<petemc>!debian clone
09:58<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup>
09:59<simNIX>dpkg --get-selections > /backup/installed-software.log
09:59<dpkg>i don't know, simNIX
09:59<simNIX>petemc, did
09:59<simNIX>this line gies the list
09:59<Madkiss>when using recipes with the debian-installer for partitioning, where inside the installation system do I put the actual recipes?
09:59<simNIX>tu reinstall:
09:59<simNIX>dpkg --set-selections < /backup/installed-software.log
09:59<dpkg>i haven't a clue, simNIX
10:00<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
10:00<simNIX>no but some comands are clearer on new line
10:00<simNIX>but I wil take that into acount
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10:01<simNIX>Madkiss, you are talking about in a preseed ?
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10:01<Madkiss>simNIX: yes
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10:02<simNIX>you already spotted:
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10:02<simNIX>to be honnest I'm not sure if there is a order
10:02<Madkiss>I did, but what I need to do is to specify different recipes based on the available hardware
10:03<Madkiss>is there some way to set preseed-variables after the preseed-file as such has been loaded? db_set in debconf or some such?
10:03<simNIX>so esentialy how to IF a preseed - interesting ...
10:03<simNIX>I dont know
10:04*Madkiss scratches brain
10:04<Madkiss>I might know a way
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10:04<Madkiss>simNIX: I will report back if this works the way I expect it to, hmkay? :)
10:04<simNIX>if it works Im interested to learn how
10:06<ml|>drakeman: hello
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10:07<drakeman>ml|, heyyy you are awake xD
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10:07<ml|>heh seems so
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10:11<simNIX>(hope it's ok - I've send you pm Madkiss)
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10:13<kamglow>hello :D hiho and hi
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10:22<drakeman>ml|, well im just saying hello! ,,,, not for any problem :S
10:22<ml|>drakeman: so things working out fine?
10:23<drakeman>ml|, to this moment, yes, :D soon im going to have a new brilliant idea, and i will have problems again hehehehe
10:23<drakeman>ml|, but not yet.
10:23<ml|>hehe great
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10:26<stuckey>judd: versions gnash
10:26<judd>stuckey: gnash -- etch-backports: 0.8.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.8.4-2 squeeze: 0.8.4-2 sid: 0.8.5-1+b1
10:27<stuckey>judd: versions mozilla-plugin-gnash
10:27<judd>stuckey: mozilla-plugin-gnash -- etch-backports: 0.8.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.8.4-2 squeeze: 0.8.4-2 sid: 0.8.5-1+b1
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10:28<stuckey>Is the gnash is Sid any better than the one in Lenny?
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10:29<schlurchz>I've found gnash in sid to be unusable.
10:30<schlurchz>In lenny it may be worse, though :-)
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10:38<mike>Hello, I would like to know how to install GNU make, as it is needed to install virtualbox guest additions
10:38<petemc>aptitude install make
10:38<mike>I tried sudo apt-get install gmake and it didn't find anything
10:38<mike>Ah thanks
10:38<petemc>tho you probably would be as well installing build-essential
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10:39<mike>Thanks mate
10:41<mike>I am very impressed with debian 5.0
10:41<mike>Ubuntu 9.04 shit me to tears
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10:41<petemc>that doesnt sound very pleasant
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10:41<mike>Never heard that expression before?
10:42<petemc>shit to tears, no
10:42<mike>Well it's pretty common here in Australia, use it and get weird looks from your friends :P
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10:42<petemc>i dare say
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11:00<woocyfear>Hello everybody
11:00<woocyfear>i need some help with debian linux
11:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:01<woocyfear>i installed firefox, but it say no internet connection
11:01<dr|z3d>woocyfear: Update your firewall rules.
11:02<schlurchz>Firefox is not exactly the best tool to test your internet connection.
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11:02<woocyfear>yes, i thought iu need to do something with firewall, but what,
11:03<woocyfear>i new in linux
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11:03<dr|z3d>You probably don't, I mistook your query for a general Firefox one.
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11:04<woocyfear>how can i update firewall rules
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11:04<petemc>woocyfear: did you install a firewall?
11:05<woocyfear>i don't know
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11:05<woocyfear>yesterday installed the system
11:05<petemc>you probably didnt. do you have an ip address?
11:05<ml|>then you didn't most likely
11:05<woocyfear>of course
11:05<petemc>can you ping your gateway ip address?
11:06<woocyfear>internet is okey, just firefox not
11:06<woocyfear>on this machine is the problem
11:06<petemc>on the file menu, is work offline ticked?
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11:07<petemc>do other browsers work?
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11:07<woocyfear>i already tried to reboot, yes konqueror works
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11:08<woocyfear>i downloaded the tar.bz2 from
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11:09<ml|>woocyfear: why just install iceweasel?
11:09<woocyfear>and i unpacked to usr/local and linked to usr/local/bin
11:09<woocyfear>a like firefox, and i'm php programmer
11:10<ml|>it's the same thing
11:10<ml|>but ok
11:10<woocyfear>i know, but.... , i don't know, i would like firefox
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11:12<woocyfear>how can i update firewall rules?? or i don't nedd?
11:12<petemc>if konqueror works, thats definately not your problem
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11:13<ml|>woocyfear: try asking in mozilla's irc channel if they have one, it's really a firefox issue you are having
11:14<woocyfear>i installed on my laptop too, and there it works
11:14<dr|z3d>woocyfear: Try Firefox's safemode.
11:14<jclinton>ugh ia32-apt-get is a disaster
11:14<dr|z3d>firefox -safe-mode
11:14*jclinton uninstalls
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11:16<woocyfear>safe mode not helps
11:17<dr|z3d>Firefox in offline mode?
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11:21<woocyfear>any idea?
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11:42<bja>woocyfear: Is your machine connected to the net cable?
11:42<woocyfear>yes, i have internet
11:42<woocyfear>i can write here, and konqueror is working
11:42<bja>woocyfear: do you have root access?
11:43<woocyfear>nut i run as user
11:43<woocyfear>but i run as user
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11:46<bja>on a console as your normal user, write firefox
11:46<bja>and lets, see what errors are showing up
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11:56<Elessar>It someone can do something to it: the bittorrent trackers refuse to serve the 5.0.2 images. Maybe it is simply because it is just too early to ask for that. :-)
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12:03<leo_>what MTU level would be ideal for a gbit connection?
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12:06<grnmtn>does anyone know if ogg and flac decoding libs are optimized better in the debian-multimedia under lenny?
12:07<leo_>as opposed to what
12:07<grnmtn>leo_: good point . . . as opposed to the main and non-free repos
12:07<grnmtn>official repos that is
12:08<grnmtn>I have a really old box that can't quite handle the cpu use of decoding vorbis flac and mp3, so someone suggested switching to teh debian-multimedia repos might help
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12:11<leo_>i think the only way you could determine that is if you go ahead and try it your self
12:12<grnmtn>I figured I'd ask first, but I guess that's what I'll do
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12:13<bja>grnmtn: freeing up memory usually helps a lot
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12:15<Elessar>grnmtn: There are drawbacks with debian-multimedia repositories.
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12:16<lantizia>Lo, I usually have to manually find the deb files for libpam-modules and libsepol1 off the sight and stick a few files in /lib32.... is there maybe a nice wget download string I can use to get whatever the latest version of them is within a certain release?
12:16<Elessar>grnmtn: Some library incompatibilities, due to ffmpeg changing its API without changing the soname, thus making a Debian patch necessary, patch that is not applied in debian-multimedia version, IIRC.
12:16<grnmtn>bja: from top, it looks like memory use is not a problem, but CPU is
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12:18<grnmtn>Elessar: good to know - the box is only going to be used for playing music with mpd, so I can deal with those kind of problems
12:18<bja>grnmtn: top puts a big load on cpu usage sometimes on borderline cases top is the hay that breaks the camel
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12:19<grnmtn>bja: sure does - but it's relatively small compared to the cpu load from mpd
12:19<grnmtn>one thing I can't figure out is why mpd has 2 processes running
12:20<grnmtn>3 processes actually
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12:39<stew>Nehyx: hi
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12:44<miickee>I've recently installed debian 5.0 and it can't detect my wireless card
12:44<gsimmons>miickee: What wireless device do you have?
12:44<evgen>very cool <miickee>=)
12:44<miickee>I go to Network Settings and it only specifies wired connection
12:44<miickee>Um is that not specific?
12:45<miickee>Cause that's kinda a general answer lol
12:45<miickee>And yes, I really like debian 5.0 :P
12:47<patrikf>miickee: does iwconfig show it?
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12:47<miickee>"No wireless extensions" :S
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12:48<miickee>I thought if ubuntu 9.04 detected my wireless, debian would cause they are very similar, right?
12:49<patrikf>miickee: what kernel version are you using? is the card 802.11n-capable?
12:49<dr|z3d>miickee: Not quite the case.
12:49<miickee>Yep it's 802.11n capable
12:49<gsimmons>dpkg: ath9k
12:49<dpkg>[ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11 draft-n PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in mainline kernel since 2.6.27-rc3. Lenny users: ask me about <> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170> or <otus>.
12:50<miickee>Update the kernel lol
12:50<patrikf>yes, get a kernel from
12:50<dr|z3d>miickee: 2.6.28 onwards sees a lot better support for wireless.
12:50<miickee>And sorry i don't know how t update the kernel via command line
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12:50<patrikf>miickee: has it pre-packaged.
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12:50<miickee>Ah I see
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12:51<ml|>dpkg: tell miickee about bpo
12:51<lfandrade>mayane andrade
12:51<miickee>Cause I found a command a few days ago to update the kernel using apt-get but I cna't remember.. like apt-get dist-update or something
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12:51<mib_s8xv1v>hi sex guys
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12:52<lfandrade> .,,.;
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12:52<cheako911>Pull my hair out, is there a tool that will recover a vfat superblock after a pvcreate?
12:53<cheako911>fsck.vfat simply complains that the "Logical sector size is zero.".
12:53<cheako911>Is there a way to make it guess and rebuild the superlbock?
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12:54<cdlu>mib, wrong version
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12:56<dr|z3d>!ops please lose mib_s8xv1v
12:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: please lose mib_s8xv1v
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12:57<mib_s8xv1v>I only want recover my license
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12:57<miickee>Ahh damn the wiki didn't work to install the new kernel
12:57<zobel>mib_s8xv1v: what license
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12:57<zobel>Ganneff: baeh...
12:57<@weasel>Ganneff: bah
12:57<supaman>hey ... how do I find out how much xorg has for cachelines?
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13:00<cdlu>mib, please lose the capslock for better service
13:00*Hydroxide starts paying attention
13:00<mib_9oybiz>BUT HOW CAN I RECOVER IT
13:01<cdlu>let go of shift too :)
13:01<dr|z3d>mib_9oybiz: Lose the caps, and the attitude.
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13:01<Hydroxide>mib_9oybiz: please tell us calmly what happened, if you want us to help, and use lowercase.
13:02-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*d060040e@*] by Ganneff
13:02*dr|z3d smells troll.
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13:03<dr|z3d>Haha. That should do it! Bye bye mibbit! ;)
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13:03<cdlu>lose tor too and life will be perfect ;)
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13:03<locklace>!lart cdlu
13:03*dpkg holds cdlu to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
13:04<miickee>I upgraded the new kernel and well I did uname -r and it's still the old one :S
13:04*cdlu ripostes
13:04<Hydroxide>miickee: you need to reboot
13:04<dr|z3d>miickee: Did you reboot?
13:04<miickee>I used ctrl alt bksp
13:04<dr|z3d>That just reboots X.
13:04<dr|z3d>You need a full reboot.
13:04<ml|>no full reboot mot just X
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13:15<miickee>Hey guys, I've installed wireless-tools and network-manager-gnome, and now I'm trying to enable wireless
13:15<miickee>And yeah, it is not how the debian wiki describes
13:16<miickee>Instead of searching SSIDs it wont let me configure without one
13:16<miickee>Like I know it lol
13:16<miickee>Oh wait, a development
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13:17<miickee>Nope, still nothing
13:17<patrikf>miickee: will this computer always be in the same network, or do you need roaming?
13:17<miickee>don't need roaming, so disabled it, then it found the router, put it on DHCP, then closed it, then now i'm back to where I started lol
13:18<miickee>Cause in the ESSID field it doesn't find the router
13:18<miickee>Like it did before
13:18<patrikf>miickee: you probably want to install wpasupplicant, read man interfaces and /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz
13:18<enouf>!wifi howto
13:18<dpkg>The Linux Wireless LAN HOWTO is at Additional resources and links to related information/websites also available. See also and
13:19<jidm>hi. i have problems with compiz and metacity, on gnome. When i enable compiz, the window decoration desappears. No title, nor scrolling nor resize. But somehow all compiz effects work fine.
13:19<miickee>wpasupplicant is already the latest version
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13:21<enouf>jidm: check BTS, i think there's a bug (especially with metacity), but not sure
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13:21<jidm>enouf: thanks, i'll check it
13:21<enouf>jidm: maybe #compiz{-fusion} on - or even #gnome-debian on
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13:31<miickee>Sorry again, I forgot how I did this last time with another install of ubuntu, (this time it's debian), my wpa password, once set, changes to a random "encrypted" looking string
13:31<miickee>How do I make sure the string I put in there stays?
13:31<dr|z3d>miickee: Easiest way? Use startupmanager
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13:32<dr|z3d>aptitude install startupmanager
13:32<miickee>How will this help?
13:32<dr|z3d>It allows you to edit your boot-time settings.
13:32<miickee>I see
13:32<dr|z3d>Modify grub strings, etc.
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13:33<miickee>Um this doesn't seem to have a menu for wireless wpa passwords
13:33<miickee>Only account password
13:34<dr|z3d>Got wpa-supplicant installed (or whatever it's called)?
13:34<dr|z3d>And the gnome-network-manager I guess?
13:34<cahoot>miickee: you can create an encrypted pass with wpa_passphrase
13:35<dr|z3d>Ok, cahoot seems on the money. Try that.
13:35<miickee>No, I mean regardless of what password i put in the wireless connection settings box, it changes it everytime
13:35<miickee>So even if I put in an encrypted password it will change it
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13:38<miickee>And no searches come up in google cause I fail to describe it properlu
13:38<cahoot>miickee: it's not easy to understand what you mean
13:39<miickee>someone put TKIP setting back on the router
13:39<miickee>Changed it back
13:39<miickee>That's what it was
13:39<leo_>silly you
13:39<leo_>!congragulate miickee
13:40<leo_>!congratulate miickee
13:40<dpkg>Nice one miickee, you did it!
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13:42<Torocatala>i have prolems whit my ubuntu (karmic koala) but i don't know where i need to go for ask, ¿sone help?
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13:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:43<Torocatala>yep, i have another problem whit freenode, i'm banned, i try to go in, but the server detects my squid (i have one on my house server) and now i'm banned from the freenode server
13:44<wmt9>Too bad
13:44<wmt9>treaches you to have active proxies when you connect to irc
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13:45<wmt9>most irc servers have some way to detect that.
13:45<wmt9>Just to stop people from using proxies
13:45<Torocatala>now i know that
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13:45<wmt9>is there not another #ubuntu
13:45<Torocatala>join #ubuntu
13:46<wmt9>hey Torocatala you are in luck
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13:46<wmt9>there is one on here
13:46<Torocatala>just 3 people,wow
13:47<wmt9>better wait for the freenode ban to expire
13:47<wmt9>this is why i try and stick to one irc server
13:47<wmt9>i've always done that
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13:49<xtype>guten abend
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13:49<dr|z3d>Torocatala: and ask them to remove you.
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13:50<stew>Torocatala: you want, not this network
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13:50<stew>oh, klined
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14:01<cheako911>ne1 know where I can get help with aufs? I feel that something like prelink can lead to corrupt binary(s)...
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14:05<cheako911>For example:
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14:05<cheako911>Obviously this is some cow bug?
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14:06<cheako911> <-- after a copy.
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14:08<cheako911>root@overrun:~# file /usr/bin/mksquashfs
14:08<cheako911>/usr/bin/mksquashfs: data
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14:08<cheako911>I can't take any more of this.
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14:15<thegrundle>kde wont start. the pid is running under ps aux but no kde desktop. I had kde running this morning and now that i have turned on my computer the desktop wont start.
14:15<thegrundle>no lines marked EE, but here are lines marked WW,
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14:17<loudergood>how about your .xsession-errors file?
14:17<thegrundle>cat: .xsession-errors: No such file or directory
14:18<lamenti3>does syslog report anything?
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14:18<thegrundle>lamenti3: when you say syslog, do you mean /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
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14:18<lamenti3>no, but /var/log/syslog
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14:21<drakeman>hey anyone have any idea why when i run and apt-get upgrade, to update available packages, the apt install the package fine, but now the last part, when doing Reading database it goes slower than before,, before i cant even notice the % runing, now i see 5%, 10%, 15% until 100%, any ideas? im runing debian squeeze, i386 .
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14:22<thegrundle>oh thats a new one to me. Sorry i dont know what to look for. can you help me?
14:22<thegrundle>is it possible to upgrade xorg to 1.5?
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14:31<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
14:31<Comanderxv>do anyone has experience at commmand cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg
14:32<bja>ml|: I believe you overreacted :)
14:32<ml|>bja: you maybe right, but can't hurt ;)
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14:35<cheako911>I used hexedit to find and resore my backup vfat superblock, is there any tools for doing this?
14:35<locklace>cheako911: an MRI
14:36<cheako911>Afterwards fsck.vfat was able to fix the magic number(so it's the master superblock and not the backup) and calculate the free cluster summary.
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14:37<cheako911>locklace: IDK, it's 512bytes that you copy.
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14:38<cheako911>In either case I had to do it by hand, something I'm capable of... but most users would not be.
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14:45<marian>ist das der deutch chet?
14:45<mentor>drakeman: You're hitting swap all the time?
14:45<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
14:45<drakeman>mentor, no, my swap is free as the wind. never used..
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14:46<mentor>That's highly unlikely
14:46<drakeman>mentor, i have 2gb ram, amd athlon 64 3500+ procesor, and nvidia 8400gs video card.
14:47<mentor>drakeman: (Linux will still be using your swap to cache filesystem data in preference to unused application data though)
14:47<mentor>drakeman: Maybe a ordered data writing issue?
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14:49<drakeman>mentor, ???
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14:49<mentor>drakeman: Is your filesystem set to write data in ordered mode?
14:50<drakeman>mentor, well if i have to do it manually i didnt do, so i dont know the answer because i dont know how to set that.,
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14:51<mentor>drakeman: It's quite often the default
14:51<drakeman>mentor, i write my problem in and the only response i had till now is this (I have the same issue with aptitude ( version))
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14:52<mentor>drakeman: You could also try profiling aptitude?
14:52<drakeman>mentor, before that reading database part was really fast, i cant even notice the % runing,..
14:52<mentor>drakeman: Trying a newer version?
14:52<drakeman>bja, are you there?
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14:53<ml|>drakeman: don't think is it but worth a try, does /var/cache/apt/ full of stuff from old installs? maybe try aptitude autoclean; aptitude clean
14:54<joe__>i cant seem to get my samba working right, ive tried everything i can find to read
14:54<joe__>i cant seem to make a folder writeable
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14:54<joe__>i can read it
14:54<joe__>and i can make it so i log in to read it
14:54<joe__>just cant seem to make it writeable
14:54<drakeman>ml|, i already did, all that , even apt-get install -f
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14:56<drakeman>mentor, profiling aptitude?
14:56<ml|>drakeman: ok, i didn't think that would be the issue anyways, so i have no idea ihave similar system and don't see that here and even on old laptop
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14:56<mentor>drakeman: Yes, to see where it is spending all its time
14:56<drakeman>ml|, weird,
14:56<drakeman>ml|, but at least im not the only one.
14:56<eldowan>Is my assumption correct that shred will work on block devices? I am trying to remove all data from a usb hard drive before sending back as an RMA.
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14:58<locklace>eldowan: yes
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14:59<drakeman>mentor, i dont have idea what does it mean (profiling aptitude), how i do that?
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14:59<eldowan>locklace: reading the man page, it says to make sure that it isn't operating on a journaled FS. However, if I umount all applicable partitions, and shred the device /dev/sdb, it shouldn't matter the underlying FS. Is this correct?
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15:00<locklace>eldowan: clearly. the fs comments apply only when you're writing through the fs, i.e. to a file on a mounted filesystem
15:00<eldowan>locklace: I had figured as much. Thanks for the confirmation.
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15:19<stroyan>drakeman: This posting has an interesting look at dpkg/apt performance. Perhaps optimizing /var/lib/dpkg/info like that would help your system. (Be careful!)
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15:21<drakeman>stroyan, sorry for my perhaps dumb question, but you say optimizing /var/lib/dpkg/info and i say how i do that?
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15:24<stroyan>drakeman: The posting I pointed to has a script. It is putting the files in that directory into the order that the dpkg and related commands want to visit them.
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15:30<drakeman>stroyan, i dont understand yet, there is a script inside /var/lib/dpkg/info?
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15:31<stroyan>drakeman: It would be easier to understand if I actually included the pointer to the posting I was referring to ;-)
15:32<drakeman>stroyan, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok, ok, hahaha, let me check the link, thanks.
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15:34<thegrundle>[#Debian] is there anything bad about my sources.list? Maybe im downloading in
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15:35<drakeman>ml|, how did you she this workaround o solution ? ---->
15:35<drakeman>ml|, how did you see* this workaround o solution ? ---->
15:37<stroyan>drakeman: I was puttering up clean directories a few weeks ago and came across that in a google search then. (It may or may not be what is slowing down on your system. But it does slow down over time.)
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15:38<drakeman>stroyan, the same problem happens to you?
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15:40<stroyan>drakeman: I was looking at dpkg performance more than apt-get "reading database" messages. I didn't have a big performance issue. But I do try to keep the number of old packages down fairly low.
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15:41<drakeman>stroyan, ok ok, thanks, i will try that later. and if you are here i will let you now., thanks for your answer.
15:41<maxb>Isn't "Reading database" dpkg, not apt?
15:42<maxb>Yes, it is
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15:44<stroyan>maxb: Yes. Apt relies on dpkg for much of what it does. I expect that the "Reading database" pause is largely spent looking through /var/lib/dpkg/info.
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15:53<ml|>drakeman: it seems that link won't help much
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15:54<drakeman>ml|, ? no?
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15:55<ml|>drakeman: besides having to wait for it to finish do you notice any other issue(s)?
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15:57<drakeman>ml|, no
15:57<drakeman>ml|, everything is fine...
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15:59<ml|>well i would leave it as is untill you find out the actuall cause, like stroyan said that might not be the issue you are having
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16:00<ml|>drakeman: have you checked bts?
16:00<drakeman>ml|, nop, not yet...
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16:01<ml|>drakeman: did this start recently
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16:02<drakeman>ml|, mmm, well i notice the issue like 2 weeks ago. before that everything was fine.
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16:03<ml|>drakeman: did you start doing something differently or remember what you did, that might cause this?
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16:04<drakeman>ml|, nop, just installed few programs, like dreamweaver into wine, mmm normal apt-get updates apt-get upgrades. but is a everyday thing
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16:07<drakeman>ml|, thats why the problem is really weird, and apt, aptitude are working fine....
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16:10<blubaustin>I have an old Alpha 1000 server and I was wondering why when I hook up the monitor there are no images. And secondly, how difficult it is to install linux on it
16:10<ml|>drakeman: yeah, why i say just leave it untill you know the cause and check bts
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16:10<drakeman>ml|, thanks, ok, im a little mm impacient? hehe dond know how to say the opossite to pacient
16:11<blubaustin>well I hook the monitor up, turn the pc on and no output
16:11<blubaustin>just black screen
16:11<blubaustin>then on my sun sparc 4 server just shows up "out of frequency 74.00hz then 0.00hz"
16:14<blubaustin>so am i screwed?
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16:16<enouf>blubaustin: set the correct Vert/Hor ranges in xorg.conf
16:16<blubaustin>I haven't got to install linux yet
16:16<blubaustin>I just barely got them.
16:16<blubaustin>Thats why I was wondering if anybody knew about alpha or SPARC systems.
16:16<enouf>oh .. my bad
16:17<enouf>try the related channels, or mailing lists?
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16:17<blubaustin>like what? debian-alpha?
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16:18<ml|>dpkg: tell blubaustin about sparc
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16:20<blubaustin>apparently nobody want to try with this
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16:20<blubaustin>I'll try over at slack or netbsd
16:20<ml|>blubaustin: read msg from dpkg
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16:21<ml|>drakeman: it's impatient ;)
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16:22<drakeman>ml|, i say impacient, hehe, that was close, hehee, thanks. for the english classs.
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16:22<ml|>yeah close enough
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16:24<stroyan>drakeman: You could have look at the timing of reading /var/lib/dpkg/info/* vs the time in aptitude reading databases. An strace of apt-get definitely spends that "database" time reading from that directory.
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16:24<drakeman>stroyan, ok, i would try that...........
16:24<bash>Does anyone know why there is no sidebar and no tab support for Nautilus for Debian?
16:25<bash>(i just moved to sid from Ubuntu)
16:25<stroyan>drakeman: You could also look at the time required for "time wc /var/lib/dpkg/info/*". My system takes about 30 seconds the first time and about 3 seconds for a second time once in cache.
16:25<bash>And is there a way to add support for it?
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16:26<drakeman>ok, im going to enter again in two hours approx, if you are here i will tell you the results.
16:26<ml|>bash: try asking in #gnome-debian on
16:26<dkr>bash: try options in config editor, perhaps?
16:27<drakeman>bash, use pacmanfm
16:27<bash>Options in config editor?
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16:27<jumbo>do somebody know somthing about Evolution cklient?
16:27<bash>How do i remove Nautilus?
16:27<jumbo>i have some problem
16:27<bash>sudo apt-get remove nautilus?
16:28<drakeman>yes but dont do that
16:28<drakeman>apt-get install pacmanfm
16:28<bash>so i should keep nautilus and install pacmanfm?
16:28<drakeman>yes and you can handle modify certain files to open folders with pcmanfm
16:29<bash>E: Couldn't find package pacmanfm
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16:29<drakeman>bash but pacmanfm is an option.
16:29<drakeman>bash, there is more options too.
16:29<drakeman>ml|, thanks
16:29<bash>What other good browsers are there?
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16:30<ml|>drakeman: you use pcmanfm with gnome?
16:30<drakeman>ml|, yes.
16:30<bash>Do you guys know how i can kill X?
16:30<drakeman>ml|, i have nautilus too, but i use pacman to open home folders, etc etc..
16:30<drakeman>ml|, like the tabs..
16:30<bash>I need to install nvidia drivers
16:30<ml|>bash: that's not a browser it's a file manager
16:30<Shoot>bash, your nick is usefull !
16:30<drakeman>bash, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
16:31<bash>my nickname is useful?
16:31<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about nvidia
16:31<bash>i got the package from Nvidias site...
16:31<ml|>bash don't use that read msg from dpkg
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16:32<bash>Why shouldn't i use that?
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16:32<ml|>bash read msg from dpkg
16:32<bash>Where is that?
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16:33<ml|>in you irc client
16:33<ml|>new tab or window named dpkg
16:33<drakeman>bash, probably is highlighted :D
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16:33<drakeman>bash, found it?
16:34<bash>Why isn't it supported?
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16:34<bash>and how come your message is in red?
16:34<drakeman>bash, , you speask spanish right? because you say "ya"--->spanish word
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16:34<drakeman>ohh, ok
16:34<bash>Ya is a english word too...
16:34<drakeman>bash, in red my message, because im puttin your nick before the sentence
16:34<drakeman>bash, ? yes? oh, sorry, my mistake
16:34<Shoot>bash, yes :)
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16:35<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about irc
16:35<bash>yes i got it...
16:35<drakeman>dpkg: tell bash about everyghing :D:D:D
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16:36<drakeman>bash, just kidding :D
16:36<drakeman>see you guys,
16:36<drakeman>ill be back soon
16:36<bash>Why isn;t the Nvidia drivers supported?
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16:36<bash>And how come Debian doesn't have Driver manager?
16:37<bash>Its like the most useful thing in ubuntu
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16:37<dondelelcaro>bash: they're kind of supported, and we don't need a driver manager
16:38<ml|>bash: about nvidia read the wiki page
16:38<bash>Its so useful
16:38<dondelelcaro>bash: because udev already does that for the free software drivers
16:38<dondelelcaro>bash: everything else is just a matter of installing the right package
16:39<bash>But its still so ez.
16:39<bash>You just go in and choose the driver and restart
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16:39<ml|>bash: if you want that use ubuntu
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16:40<bash>I just came over from ubuntu because of the frozen repo -_-
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16:41<bash>So should i got through with installing the nvidia driverS??
16:41<bash>That i got from Nvidia's site
16:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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16:42<ml|>bash: it's up to you but i wouldn't
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16:43<bash>what's the risk?
16:43<rudi_s>(Sorry. Wrong window.)
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16:43<ml|>bash: read the wiki page
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16:56<bash>How do you configure X to use nvidia driver in Sid?
16:57<bash>There is nothing in the wiki for it...
16:57<Shoot>oui bash,
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16:58<bash>How do you configure X to use nvidia driver in Sid?
16:58<bash>IDK french
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16:58<Shoot>just clik here
16:59<bash>i seen it..
16:59<bash>what does that have to do with anything?
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17:00<woocyfear>i have some problem with firefox on debian lenny
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17:00<Shoot>bash, yes.
17:00<mason_>craigevil, hey man i need your help with something.
17:01<Shoot>woocyfear, explain
17:01<Shoot>woocyfear, clik here
17:01<woocyfear>it can't resolve dnd
17:01<ml|>bash: install nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig, then run nvidia-xconfig as root reboot start X and run nvidia-settings and select the settings appropriate for the monitor and Save to X Configuration File
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17:01<woocyfear>ip working but domain names not
17:02<bash>Thx ml
17:02<mason_>does any one know why my new keyboard isnt automatically being picked up by the computer.
17:03<mason_>everytime i have to unplug it and replug it to make it work.
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17:04<woocyfear>konqueror work fine
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17:04<woocyfear>but in firefox i must enter ip adresses
17:04<mason_>thats normal.
17:04<mason_>you have to set up your domain to read the ip
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17:04<adama>do you mean iceweasel, or did you actually install firefox
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17:05<woocyfear>how can i?
17:05<mason_>via online domain buyer
17:05<woocyfear>i installed on my laptop too, and there works fine
17:06<woocyfear>what is this picture?
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17:06<ml|>!ops Shoot spam
17:06<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ml| complains about: Shoot spam
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17:06<bja>mason_: are you sure? he says konkeror does everything fine, the guy compiled firefox from source he has more or less set up everything
17:06<LoRez>Shoot: Hi, you're stopping now?
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17:07<Shoot>i dont spam i explain firefox with a BIOS pictures
17:07<LoRez>pictures of your bios don't help "explain firefox"
17:07<bja>woocyfear: did you try running firefox from a console, it outputs a lot of info about what it is indeed doing.
17:08<woocyfear>firefox says address not found
17:08<woocyfear>yes i tried, but it not starts
17:08<bja>woocyfear: try the whole /path/to/firefox
17:08<woocyfear>from console i get >> No protocol specified
17:08<woocyfear>Error: cannot open display: :0
17:09<bash>how come you cant install Firefox in Debian?
17:09<bash>from repos
17:09<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about why iceweasel
17:09<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about iceweasel
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17:10<woocyfear>what can be the problem?
17:10<bash>That bot knows all
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17:10<woocyfear>i want firefox not iceweasel
17:11<bja>woocyfear: firefox will complain more verbously on the console, if it can't find the ip address it will complain also about the program that it is not giving it
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17:12<woocyfear>full path gives the same error
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17:12<Shoot>firefox <=> iceweasel
17:12<Shoot>hey bash
17:13<woocyfear>but i can't update iceweasel
17:13<ml|>sure you can
17:13<ml|>with aptitude
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17:13<woocyfear>can be the problem that i use kde???
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17:14<woocyfear>because i use gnome on my laptop, where ff works
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17:16<woocyfear>now i entered a public free proxy and it works
17:16<woocyfear>but i have direct connection to net
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17:18<stroyan>woocyfear: You could see if "host" can successfully look up the IP.
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17:19<stroyan>woocyfear: The contents of /etc/resolv.conf should include the nameservers that your system will use.
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17:24<woocyfear>yes , it contains name servers
17:25<woocyfear>and konqueror works fine
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17:26<Glanzmann>?? nvidia
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17:27<Shoot>nvidia is carte graphique
17:27<Shoot>grapiqual card
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17:30<stroyan>woocyfear: There is a common problem with firefox failing DNS lookup because it tries to use ipv6 for DNS. Other browsers could still work because they only use ipv4. Try the ipv6 disable at
17:32<woocyfear>i found the problem
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17:33<woocyfear>now i installed lib32nss-mdns, and working fine
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17:34<ml|>!congratulate woocyfear
17:34<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies woocyfear, you did it!
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17:37<Shoot>good game woCYFEAR
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17:45<saw10>hi all
17:46<saw10>how i can change room?
17:46<Shoot>. /join #room-name
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17:48<bash>um guys i have a bit of a prob'
17:48<bash>I installed the nvidia drivers
17:48<Shoot>re bash
17:48<bash>and installed compiz but i have no menu bars
17:48<shlengberg>there is an easy way to install nvidia drivers
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17:48<bash>i installed emerald
17:49<shlengberg>you just add the right repositories after install, and check your kernel with uname -r
17:49<bash>but emerald --replace wont do anything
17:49<shlengberg>then apt-get and all done
17:49<bash>what do i do?
17:49<ml|>bash: try #compiz on
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18:00<jacobian>hi all, i'm looking for a solution of filesystem encryption providing plausible deniability, but i don't want to use truecrypt
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18:04<dkr>jacobian: perhaps you should explain why you don't want to use the overwhelming solution for your problem so we know in what direction you are trying to head to
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18:05<dkr>I started out typing a snarky response about wanting a web server but not wanting to use apache, but I reigned myself in, :)
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18:07<krazykit>dkr, yeah, but there's lighttpd too :P
18:07<krazykit>and IIS ;)
18:07<dkr>that was the other reason I didn't write it. :)
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18:19<bash>I got everything fixed :)
18:19<bash>I am loving Debian
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18:19<bash>Can someone tell me how i can get VLC to keep the video in the actual player itself instead of making a new window?
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18:31<dkr>bash: you mean inside your web browser?
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18:34<Bravewolf>are there plans to re-add security support to squeeze?
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18:35<edbian>My iceweasel has pathetic scrolling especially on media-rich pages. Is there any known fix? Google didn't help much.
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18:36<ml|>edbian: like what page?
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18:37<edbian>you tube homepage
18:37<edbian>It's not un-usuable
18:38<krazykit>edbian, using an intel graphics card? slow processor?
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18:39<edbian>but in windows xp (on the same machine) the scrolling is smooth. When I scroll several times (with the mouse wheel) quickly my music will stop playing (in rhythm box) and sometimes the page will even go black and white
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18:39<edbian>krazykit: celeron D 3.8 Ghz
18:39<krazykit>what about the graphics card?
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18:39<edbian>ati radeon (AGP) 9550 64Mb ram
18:39<ml|>edbian: that could be graphic driver in linux
18:39<edbian>should be able to scroll don't you think?
18:39<krazykit>the 2d support should be more than sufficient
18:40<krazykit>assuming you're not, for some reason, using the VESA drivers
18:40<edbian>ml|: I've tried fglrx before without much benefit. I'm right now using the radeon driver
18:40<edbian>glxgears runs at 1500 FPS
18:40<krazykit>glxgears is not even remotely a benchmark
18:40<edbian>well for what it's worth than
18:40<krazykit>"nothing" :)
18:41<edbian>Do you have a benchmark to suggest?
18:41<edbian>or better yet. Do any of you see the same problem with ice weasel?
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18:41<ml|>well dunno works fine here on nvidia desktop and 8 year old laptop ibm t21
18:42<krazykit>x11perf is a benchmark
18:42<krazykit>it's not fast though ;)
18:42<krazykit>i'd make sure you're actually using the radeon drivers (check your X logs), see what kind of 2d accel it's using (xaa vs exa, i think)
18:43<krazykit>if it's using one, try forcing the other in your xorg.conf
18:43<edbian>Also, if I do a google image search while the images are loading my music will stop / skip / freeze for sometimes as much as 3 or 4 seconds(usually 1) until all the images are loaded. IDK if this is related
18:44<edbian>modprobe -l | grep radeon returns: video/aty/radeonfb.ko & /char/drm/radeon.ko
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18:45<edbian>modprobe -l | grep vesa returns : /drivers/video/uvesafb.ko
18:45<krazykit>that's just the framebuffer, so that's not related to X
18:46<edbian>krazykit: The vesa driver?
18:46<edbian>is the framebuffer?
18:46<krazykit>uvesafb - userspace VESA framebuffer
18:46<locklace>edbian: what version of the radeon driver are you using
18:47<locklace>judd versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon
18:47<judd>locklace: xserver-xorg-video-radeon -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 squeeze: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 sid: 1:6.12.2-2
18:47<edbian>locklace: Whatever is newest in the repos? How can I check?
18:47<locklace>edbian: use the one from sid, then check what accel method it's using from the xorg log file
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18:48<edbian>locklace: upgrade to the sid one AND THEN check what accel method it's using? Do I need to know what accel method I'm using with this version? (P.S. what is an acceleration method?)
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18:50<locklace>actually, maybe not the one from sid since x in sid is all hosed; but you do want 6.12.x or newer for decent hw accel support
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18:50<edbian>locklace: Really? So where can I get this 6.12 package if sid is a no go?
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18:53<locklace>well you might be ok with that one, the dependencies don't look too dire
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18:55<linduxed>i have one directory that i backed up onto an extHDD some time ago, and i want to have a command print what new files there are, which ones have changed and which ones are missing. which command do i use?
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18:57<locklace>linduxed: you can do it fairly easily with rsync. man rsync
18:57<linduxed>locklace: will check
18:58<locklace>linduxed: useful options are -i, -n etc.
18:58<ml|>yeah rsync can do that
18:59<ml|>-a too but only if you used cp -a to cp data over
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19:00<bash_23>Ok this is driving me nuts
19:01<bash_23>debian:/home/bash# sudo apt-get install libcompizconfig0
19:01<bash_23>Reading package lists... Done
19:01<bash_23>Building dependency tree
19:01<bash_23>Reading state information... Done
19:01<bash_23>Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
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19:03<ml|>dpkg: tell bash_23 about pastebin
19:03<bash_23>Its driving me nuts
19:03<bash_23>I am trying to install Compiz because upgrade broke it.
19:04<bash_23>and i got the packages it needs but it thinks it not there
19:05<bash_23>I need to install libmetacity0
19:05<bash_23>but when i try to install it, it says i dont have metacity-common
19:05<bash_23>which i do...
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19:10<bash_23>There is no fix for this right? -_-
19:10<adb>bash_23: fix upgrade first
19:10<bash_23>there is nothing wrong with update...
19:11<adb>said ` I am trying to install Compiz because upgrade broke it. `
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19:12<bash_23>yes it deleted all the compiz packages to install Compiz core...
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19:12<adb>lenny ?
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19:12<drakeman>ml|, you remember who was helping me with my problem few hours ago?
19:12<adb>ah , good luck
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19:12<drakeman>ml|, dont remember the nickname
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19:13<adb>bash_23: ^^
19:13<ml|>drakeman: nope why
19:13<bash_23>abd, -_-
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19:13<patrick>hey mason_........finally got it figured out
19:13<drakeman>ml|, because he give me a time command tu check a log i think
19:13<drakeman>but dont remember who was.
19:13<patrick>mason_........thank you for your assistance......
19:14<adb>judd: versions compiz-core-abiversion-20090207
19:14<judd>adb: compiz-core-abiversion-20090207 --
19:14<stroyan>drakeman: Did you measure a time?
19:14<drakeman>ohhhhhhhh hehe,
19:14<ml|>drakeman: < stroyan> drakeman: You could have look at the timing of reading /var/lib/dpkg/info/* vs the time in aptitude reading databases. An strace of apt-get definitely spends that "database" time reading from that directory.
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19:14<drakeman>thans... jeje.
19:14<drakeman>going to check it now
19:15<drakeman>ml|, thanks.
19:15<drakeman>stroyan, the command is time wc /var/lib/dpkg/info/* right?
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19:15<bash_23>i think i am going to reinstall it...
19:16<drakeman>stroyan, the results is 434938 1095792 24908605 total
19:16<bash_23>reinstall sid
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19:16<drakeman>stroyan, real 0m25.760s
19:16<ml|>bash_23: do you know what sid is?
19:16<drakeman>stroyan, user 0m1.588s
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19:16<stroyan>drakeman: A second run will be much faster.
19:16<drakeman>stroyan, sys 0m0.624s
19:17<drakeman>stroyan, ok let me try a second time
19:17<stroyan>drakeman: And an aptitude run may be much faster just after because of filesystem caching.
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19:18<drakeman>stroyan, real 0m4.179s -------- user 0m1.600s ------------------------------ sys 0m0.104s (SECOND TIME)
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19:19<drakeman>ml|, stroyan well i have two responses in my post, and they say that they dont think is a bug,
19:19<drakeman>ml|, stroyan just a normal behaviour
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19:20<stroyan>drakeman: I agree that is normal. But still an annoyance.
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19:21<drakeman>stroyan, exaclty.
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19:21<ml|>drakeman: don't it's a bug either unless it becomes worse
19:21<drakeman>ml|, ok!
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19:22<enouf>drakeman: one way to speed things up, is to mv those files out of the way (cp -a them, then once sure it went well, cp -a back, so you always have double ... BUT) you need to use those blocks up that were spread out all over the disk prior (and since deleted are marked as writeable again) - then fill those blocks with new small files, THEN cp -a HUGEFILE back over so it's blocks are contiguous
19:22<enouf>i've done that with /usr/share/doc/ and /home/username/
19:23<enouf>also, you might want to run apt-get autoclean, man apt-get
19:23<drakeman>enouf, i already ran apt-get autoclean.
19:24<enouf>drakeman: /var/lib/dpkg/available* and /var/lib/dpkg/status* are the large files i see
19:24<drakeman>enouf, thanks, the first thing looks little complicated, (last part) so i think im going continue with my little issue hehe
19:25<drakeman>enouf, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.4M 2009-06-29 23:44 available
19:25<enouf>just don;t do anything with apt/aptitude IN BETWEEN tHe time you fill all those blocks with smaller nonsense files even, if you like
19:25<enouf>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19388472 2009-05-24 08:52 available
19:25<enouf>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2040397 2009-05-24 08:52 status
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19:25<drakeman>houman readable please hehe
19:26<enouf>that's Bytes. :-P
19:26<ml|>enouf: are you saying it's fragmentation issue?
19:26<drakeman>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.4M 2009-06-29 23:44 status
19:26<enouf>ml|: yes
19:26<drakeman>enouf, my files are just 1.4mb
19:26<enouf>as stuff doesn't get added all at once
19:26<enouf>it gets added over much time
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19:26<drakeman>enouf, ml| any way to run a defrag?
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19:27<ml|>thought of that, but why it doesn't happen here
19:27<ml|>drakeman: no
19:27<stroyan>enouf: The posting at shows a serious directory fragmentation issue inside the info directory rather than a large file fragmentation issue.
19:27<enouf>ml|: not so sure when it comes to apt-cache speeds and sucj - i also once had an issue, it was in a certain apt version though only
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19:28<ml|>hmm, maybe i use aptitude autclean after each update
19:28<enouf>and when i employed tab-completion, but CERTAINLY /usr/share/doc/* is a fragmentation issue
19:28<stroyan>drakeman: The shell commands in that posting were at least a temporary help as reported by " Peter Cordes", the poster of that note.
19:28<drakeman>stroyan, ok!!
19:28<drakeman>my aptitude version is.
19:29<enouf>515M /usr/share/doc
19:29<bremner>any arora browser users? I find the text entry boxes occasionally go solid black when I am typing, some kind of weird highlightling bug
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19:30<ml|>drakeman: that's same as earlier today
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19:30<drakeman>ml|, yes.
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19:30<ml|>drakeman: is your / kinda full
19:32<enouf>erm .. i think there was some slowdown due to newer apt-get and aptitude syncing up someway - i know that's not the correct way to say it, but since apt-get now also removes dependencies (that were pulled in from a pkg you installed and now removed) it needs to have that info available
19:32<drakeman>ml|, naaaaa
19:32<enouf>there's also the Recommends added as Default thing
19:32<drakeman>ml|, not even close
19:33<edbian>I have the backports repo added to my software sources. How do I search for the packages in backports in synaptic?
19:33<drakeman>ml|, 144G 29G 108G
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19:34<ml|>could it be an apt-get thing?
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19:34<ml|>i only use aptitude :)
19:34<dr|z3d>edbian: "aptitude update" for a start.
19:34<edbian>i did
19:34<dr|z3d>edbian: then apt-cache search <string>
19:34<drakeman>i use both!
19:34<edbian>how though in synaptic?
19:34<drakeman>but more apt-get
19:35<ml|>drakeman: stick to one
19:35<drakeman>ok, ml| going to use aptitude onl
19:35<edbian>If it helps I'm trying to get xserver-xorg-video-radeon version 2.12.X
19:35<ml|>you know why?
19:36<drakeman>ml|, why what?
19:36<dr|z3d>edbian: If I have to explain to you how to search in synaptic, you're beyond help.
19:36<enouf>< stroyan> drakeman: The shell commands in that posting were at least a temporary help as reported by "Peter Cordes", the poster of that note. <-- i missed it - the only URL i see is ,,, OH .. i see it now - lemmee check
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19:36<ml|>why use aptitude over apt-get
19:36<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
19:36<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
19:37<drakeman>ml|, aptitude because it look for dependences and when you remove a package it removes it completly and apt get dont
19:37<drakeman>ml|, i was a little clolse hehee
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19:37<edbian>dr|z3d: I know how to search. I think the problem is that the backports are held back by default. (so that my system doesn't update to all of them). The problem is if I search synaptic none of the backports packages come up.
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19:37<ml|>whatever you use stick with one
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19:37<enouf>stroyan: ext3 has the dir_index option which should help with that - ALSO i mount ext3 using noatime
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19:38<drakeman>ml|, ok, aptitude. the only thing is if i do an apt-get upgrade, it only updates the packages i nneed or the ones are ready to install, if i run aptitude upgrade it try to make a dist-upgrade
19:38<enouf>which if you don't (or use relatime) you are getting 1 write for EVERY read!
19:38<enouf>atime == access time
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19:38<enouf>drakeman: see what i just wrote
19:39<ml|>drakeman: use aptitude safe-upgrade and only when needed use aptitude full-upgrade
19:39<drakeman>ml|, ok.
19:39<ml|>drakeman: man aptitude ;)
19:39<enouf>drakeman: apt-get does since 0.7.4 or sometjomg
19:39<drakeman>ohhhhhh noooooooooooooo
19:40<drakeman>enouf, does what?
19:40<enouf>drakeman: ".... since apt-get now also removes dependencies (that were pulled in from a pkg you installed and now removed) it needs to have that info available"
19:40<drakeman>enouf, ok!
19:41<enouf>if they are no longer needed - damn man - install apt-listchanges and read the changelogs!
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19:41<drakeman>enouf, i already have it installed
19:41<ml|>drakeman: in testing?
19:41<drakeman>ml|, squeeze , yes
19:41<ml|>ah you have it installed nm
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19:41<drakeman>ml|, nm?
19:41<enouf>drakeman: using ext2/3 ?
19:42<enouf>drakeman: man tune2fs /dir_index
19:42<enouf>drakeman: squeeze has the newer apt-get versions
19:42<enouf>you didn't read then :-P
19:43<drakeman>enouf, i didnt read what?
19:43<enouf>judd: versions apt
19:43<judd>enouf: apt -- etch: etch-security: lenny: lenny-security: squeeze-security: sid: 0.7.21 squeeze: 0.7.21
19:43<enouf>heck Lenny even has it
19:43<enouf>drakeman: the changelogs
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19:44<enouf>what good is it , if you're not going to read them
19:44<drakeman>enouf, ehh, just sometimes. hehehe
19:44<ml|>drakeman: that is what apt-listchanges is for ;)
19:44<enouf>what good is it *installed* .. yes, i know .,. but mine is also setup to mail me, so i can read later
19:45<enouf>dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges and tell it to email your user as well
19:45<ml|>enouf: it does that by default i think
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19:45<drakeman>enouf, ohh, nice! hehe,
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19:45<ml|>no it does not i remember now making a file for it
19:46<drakeman>judd, apt for i386 compiled on Feb 8 2009 00:40:41
19:46<judd>drakeman: Error: "apt" is not a valid command.
19:46<enouf>you think i read everything when a new libc6 or gcc gets installed? lmao
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19:46<ml|> /etc/apt/listchanges.conf
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19:47<enouf>drakeman: p.d.o has the changelogs as well as your system in /usr/share/doc/pkgname/*.CHANGES or something
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19:47<drakeman>enouf, ok. thanks...
19:48<enouf>or, just read your stinkin root mail :-P
19:48<drakeman>enouf, lol!
19:48<drakeman>apt ( unstable; urgency=medium
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19:49<ml|> /etc/apt/listchanges.conf -->
19:50<stroyan>drakeman: Actually, just copying the info directory does a lot of good on the system I just tested. sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info /var/lib/dpkg/info.old; sudo cp -R /var/lib/dpkg/info.old /var/lib/dpkg/info
19:50<drakeman>stroyan, ok.. thanks doing it.
19:50<drakeman>right now.
19:50<stroyan>drakeman: You need to use drop_caches to see the worst-case times. echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
19:51<enouf>drakeman: do sync! prior to any drop_caches
19:53<stroyan>enouf: Good point. The sync allows all the recently written caches to be flushed out so that the cache contents will actually be dropped.
19:53<drakeman>enouf, how i do sync!? sorry..
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19:55<drakeman>ml|, aptitude safe-upgrade is not replacement for apt-get upgrade, hen i run the first, i want to get 271mb of files, when i write apt-get upgrade, it say that is not available packages to install.
19:56<drakeman>with apt-get upgrade ------> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 132 not upgraded.
19:56<drakeman>with aptitude safe-upgrade ----------> Need to get 271MB of archives. After unpacking 66.2MB will be used.
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19:57*stroyan is off to cook dinner
19:57<enouf>drakeman: does one have Recommends allowed/disallowed ?
19:57<drakeman>enouf, i dont know what does it mean when you say do sync
19:57<ml|>drakeman: that could be due to the fact that you have bieng usind apt-get
19:57<drakeman>ml|, ohhhhh
19:57<drakeman>ml|, is safe do a safe-upgrade? well the word says it is safe
19:58<ml|>drakeman: man aptitude
19:58<ml|>and man apt-get
19:58<enouf>drakeman: stroyan explained above ... it's a bit more complicated, but just do it, especially if echoing 3 to it
19:58<enouf>drakeman: man proc
19:59<drakeman>to much mannnn
19:59<enouf>drakeman: search for drop_caches
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19:59<drakeman>man proc, man drop-caches, man aptitude, man apt-get
19:59<drakeman>man everything
19:59<enouf>drakeman: you know how to hit '/' type drop_caches ?
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19:59<Stathol>man man
19:59<drakeman>enouf, no.}
19:59<enouf>drakeman: no, in man proc
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20:00<enouf>drakeman: do it - also 'n' jumps to next occurence - is less setup as your default pager?
20:00<ml|>drakeman: once you have a manpage open hit / to search
20:00<drakeman>ml|, i know that trick :D
20:00<enouf>install less ; as root update-alternatives --config pager
20:00<drakeman>Writing to this file causes the kernel to drop clean caches,
20:00<drakeman> dentries and inodes from memory, causing that memory to become
20:00<drakeman> free.
20:00<ml|>enouf: most :)
20:01<drakeman>when i do sync
20:01<drakeman>nothing happens
20:01<drakeman>sync, and nothing.
20:02<drakeman>and im reading man sync right now
20:02<enouf>drakeman: it does, it just may not needed to be done at that exact moment
20:02<enouf>drakeman: umount does it auto prior to umounting
20:02<enouf>drakeman: and .. depends on your FS mount options, data=writeback, etc etc
20:03<drakeman>To free pagecache, use echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; to free dentries and inodes
20:03<enouf>drakeman: it's just an extra safety precaution
20:03<Stathol>When installing packages like bind9, is there a way to prevent it from automatically running the init script before you've even had a chance to configure it?
20:03<enouf>drakeman: stop pasting that into the channel - we're the ones whom told you where to look and read :-P
20:03<drakeman>enouf, sorry
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20:04<enouf>drakeman: Because this is a non-destructive operation and dirty objects are not freeable, the user should run sync(8) first.
20:04<ml|>Stathol: don't think so
20:04<enouf>drakeman: got it?
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20:04<drakeman>enouf, i already run rsync
20:04<drakeman>sorry, sync
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20:05<PirateFuck>fuck her hard in the ass, pull it out, cum in her eye and kick her in the shin. She will get up standing on one leg with one eye closed, walking like she's drunk and swearing
20:05<ml|>enouf: have you tried most as your manpage reader, it's great :)
20:05<Stathol>what the hell?
20:05<drakeman>enouf, and someone says that i have to run now echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
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20:05<enouf>drakeman: $ grep -i dirty /proc/meminfo
20:06<drakeman>enouf, dirty 28kb
20:06<ColOfNature>what is the difference between using fakeroot and using sudo?
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20:06<drakeman>enouf, after sync, 0
20:06<enouf>you don't have to unless you want to start with as clean a cache/buffers as possible each time, so you have a baseline for each attempt at your speed tests
20:06<krazykit>ColOfNature, sudo is real root
20:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 376] by debhelper
20:07<drakeman>enouf, dont know how to run that echo 3 etc etc etc.
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20:07<enouf>drakeman: don't know how?
20:07<krazykit>ColOfNature, longer answer: sudo actually gives real root permissions, fakeroot provides fake root permissions via some clever trickery
20:08<drakeman>enouf, the man says this echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
20:08<drakeman>but i get premission denied
20:08<drakeman>even with sudo.
20:08<enouf>su ; run command - or sudo sh -c 'echo 3 > ....'
20:08<drakeman>enouf, i type sudo echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
20:08<drakeman>enouf, but i get permission denied
20:08<enouf>drakeman: read please
20:09<enouf> sudo sh -c 'echo 3 > ....' <-- notice the quotes
20:09<ColOfNature>krazykit: what does that actually mean? what can i do with sudo that i couldn't with fakerot?
20:09<enouf>are you on ubuntu? :-P
20:09<enouf>no su to root?
20:09<krazykit>ColOfNature, you can edit files
20:09<krazykit>you can't, for example, fakeroot nano /etc/somefile
20:10<krazykit>because you don't actually have root permissions on the system
20:10<ColOfNature>so fakeroot gives me user permission but not group permission?
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20:10<ml|>ColOfNature: man fakeroot
20:10<enouf>fakeroot is meant for scripts to obtain temp superuser privs
20:10<ColOfNature>ml|: yeah, but it's not clear what the diff is
20:11<ml|>should be
20:11<drakeman>enouf, sh: echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches: No such file or directory
20:11<enouf>drakeman: ls -l /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
20:11<enouf>drakeman: cat /proc/version
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20:12<drakeman>enouf, first command --->
20:12<drakeman>enouf, first command ---> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-06-30 18:51 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
20:12<bremner>ColOfNature: if you are not making debian packages or something like that, you probably don't need fakeroot
20:13<krazykit>ColOfNature, i thought the man page was pretty clear
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20:14<enouf>drakeman: you're doing something wrong
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20:14<billiam>woot its not registered
20:14<Stathol>Maybe this is just because I came from a Windows background, but...
20:15<Stathol>Why exactly is it that a regular user can't chown something to root?
20:15<enouf>drakeman: you forgot the -c ?
20:15<Stathol>I mean, obviously you can shoot yourself in the foot doing that, but still...seems odd that you can't voluntarily cede ownership of a file to someone else :P
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20:16<enouf>yep - you forgot the -c drakeman
20:16<enouf>$ sudo sh 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'
20:16<enouf>sh: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches: No such file or directory
20:16<ml|>Stathol: you can as root
20:16<enouf>drakeman: are yo8u purposefully being ignorant?
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20:17<drakeman>enouf, nop, didnt see the -c
20:17<enouf>i wrote it ALL THREE times
20:17<ml|>drakeman: get glasses ;)
20:17<drakeman>enouf, didnt see it before
20:18<drakeman>enouf, thankjs!
20:18<drakeman>ml|, dont need them :D
20:18<enouf>just su to root from now on
20:18<ml|>drakeman: why use sudo just use su :)
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20:19<ml|>more like 200/200
20:19<drakeman>ml|, ok.
20:19<ml|>drakeman: man su
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20:19<drakeman>enouf, is tough
20:19<ml|>i only use sudo for shutdown
20:19<drakeman>ml|, another man?
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20:21<ColOfNature>ok, scanning (and simplifying) the man pages: fakeroot gives su equiv permission for creating files and editing same, but not for editing pre-existing files?
20:21<drakeman>ill be back
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20:21<adb>ml|: next time try `man man` ..
20:22<ml|>adb: heh didn't i do that :)
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20:24<drakeman>enouf, thanks..
20:24<drakeman>enouf, for your patience..
20:25<drakeman>ml|, thanks!
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20:26<ml|>yw but i didn't do anything :)
20:26<drakeman>ml|, yes, you always are available to help!
20:27<drakeman>ml|, enouf dont want to talk anymore xD
20:27<ml|>i'm a bot not very good but a bot ask around ;)
20:27<drakeman>ml|, heheh
20:27<enouf>just nothing to say - you're welcome though
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20:28<ColOfNature>krazykit: you said you thought the man page re fakeroot v sudo was pretty clear. it's too subtle for me, could you explain?
20:28<drakeman>enouf, all the things your say me to do, are new for me. first time i see many of that commands.
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20:29<bash>I just reformated sid
20:29<bash>Can someone send me the link to the nividia wiki page
20:30<bash>dpkg /help
20:30<dpkg>i haven't a clue, bash
20:30<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about nvidia
20:30<bash>dpkg nvidia
20:30<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (ie. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
20:30<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about dpkgbot
20:30<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about selftell
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20:33<drakeman>ml|, going to do a safe-upgrade
20:33<bash>E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common
20:34<ml|>bash: read the wiki completely
20:34<ml|>drakeman: gl
20:35<drakeman>ml|, sorry, i had problems to understand abbreviate things
20:35<ml|>good luck
20:35<drakeman>ml|, it sounds like not recommended
20:35<ColOfNature>the man pages re diff fakeroot v sudo is too subtle for me, could someone explain the difference between:
20:35<ml|>adb: hah that would be goo ;)
20:37<ml|>drakeman: no go ahead, but with read what aptitude tells you just don't say yes to everything without reading
20:37<drakeman>ml|, ok, going to do that, right now im downloading files.
20:38<ml|>read and gl
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20:39<norbert_>hi all... my friend and I both use Debian stable and when I use tsclient to remote access his pc Num Lock always seems to die at his end... is this a known issue? anyone?
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20:40<ml|>ColOfNature: fakeroot - run a command in an environment faking root privileges for file manipulation sudo, sudoedit - execute a command as another user
20:41<x3m>alguien de chile?
20:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:41<Slurb>i love my lenny
20:42<bash>why isn't it in the repo? 0_o
20:42<ml|>it's not free
20:42<Slurb>what version debian bash?
20:43<stew>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-common
20:43<judd>stew: nvidia-kernel-common -- etch/contrib: 20051028+1 lenny/contrib: 20080825+1 sid/contrib: 20080825+1 squeeze/contrib: 20080825+1
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20:50<bash>ok why cant i check anything in the repo or change the server?
20:51<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about sources.list
20:52<bash>In the software sources i cant check anything in it
20:52<bash>or change the server
20:52<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about non-free
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20:52<bash>I cant check anything in the repo
20:53<ml|>did you update?
20:53<ml|>aptitude update
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20:54<ml|>the nvidia page is pretty clear
20:55<bash>Its not the nvidia thing
20:55<adb>bash: sid is sid not Squeeze
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20:56<adb> Squeeze is testing
20:56<ml|>right and you have ca for some and us for others
20:56<bash>o wth
20:56<bash>I use the same CD as last time
20:56<bash>and it was Sid in the last install :/
20:57<bash>Whats the sid repo?
20:57<ml|>and remove the cd lines
20:57<adb> Sid install doesn't exist , man
20:57<noflash>if you run sid, you're expected to know what the hell you're doing
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20:57<ml|>unstable, but you need to update the do a aptitude full-upgrade
20:57<bash>i know but it had the repo out of the box...
20:58<bash>how do i do it?
20:58<ml|>change squeeze for unstable
20:58<ml|>but first update squeeze!
20:58<bash>what you mean?
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20:58<bash>There is nothing in update
20:59<ml|>you are 100% sure
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20:59<bash>update didn't find anything...
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20:59<adb>bash: paste your sources.list
20:59<ml|>man aptitude
21:00<bash>can you post the location
21:01<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about pastebin
21:01<bash>no the location of the sourcelist
21:01<bash>like /etc/
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21:02<ml|>heh /etc/apt/sources.list
21:02<adb>wth ..squeeze/updates ; squeeze/updates/main ?
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21:03<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about reference
21:03<adb>dpkg: tell bash about background
21:03<adb>bash: go to lenny man
21:03<bash>i want sid...
21:04<adb>wand hell
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21:04<ml|>yeah, but seems you are not ready for sid
21:04<ml|>well you don't even know where sources.list is
21:05<adb>bash: ask a frend to help you
21:05<drakeman>bash, /etc/apt/sources.list
21:05<adb>drakeman: shud up , please
21:05<ml|>start with lenny the move when you have a bit more experince
21:05<drakeman>adb :(
21:05<drakeman>adb, just trying to hlep
21:05<adb>not in that case ..
21:06<adb>drakeman: man man
21:06<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about sid
21:06<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about sid faq
21:06<ml|>bash: sid is not supported
21:07<bash>i know...
21:07<adb>dpkg: tell bash about background
21:07<ml|>adb: grounding?
21:07<adb>ml|: yes ..
21:07<ml|>go ride ahead :)
21:08<adb>dpkg: tell bash about grounding
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21:46<derek>can somebody tell me where i can dl the stable 64bit debian cd iso?
21:47<dpkg>from memory, netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>.
21:47<SQlvpapir>derek: over at there are lots of mirrors listen
21:47<derek>i've been there
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21:47<derek>all i get is a 404 error
21:47<derek>no matter what one i try
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21:48<SQlvpapir>derek: just tested this one..
21:48<SQlvpapir>if you want the bigger netinst then get this
21:49<derek>so the alpha version is the 32 bit?
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21:51<derek>is the amd64 the 64bit version?
21:52<SQlvpapir>both of the above is stable (lenny)
21:52<adb>alpha is a processor type
21:52<derek>you lost me
21:52<SQlvpapir>adb: he asked for "stable 64bit" at 3:45 so I just assumed
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21:53<derek>my comp has intel quad, and nvidia graphics
21:53<derek>what one do i need?
21:54<SQlvpapir>you should be fine with amd64 or i386
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21:54<derek>thanks you
21:54<derek>thank you*
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21:58<bja>!tell drakeman about unix lessons
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22:09<edbian>My clock on the gnome-panel is correct buy the clock on the GDM login screen is off (by 1 time zone ((6 hours)) ). The time-stamp in this chat is also off for me: 16:09 was the last post I saw
22:09<edbian>correct but the*
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22:12<edbian>Also if I open "adjust date and time" from the gnome panel clock my time zone keeps getting erased
22:12<edbian>Where is the config file for my time zone and that silly little UTC option?
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22:15<noflash>!tell edbian -about time
22:16<edbian>noflash: What is your nick in reference to?
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22:16<edbian>noflash: Also thank you :)
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22:20<Suspect>Hey guys... I was wondering if anyone could help me get alsa working? I was using Debian Lenny, then I switched to the testing repositories and upgraded packages.. causing this: ( (not a big deal though))... so now I can't get alsa working after trying to install drivers for my motherboard's sound card. So.. I put in a soundcard I know to work with alsa, and I can't get it working no matter what I do... (uses module ca0106)...
22:20<Suspect> anyone have any ideas? I'd appreciate it :x
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22:24<edbian>Where is the config file that tells my system the hardware clock is UTC or my time zone??
22:25<magyar>hi guys, where could i get linux-image 2.6.29 that was in the sid repo last week?
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22:37<miickee>Hey, I am still having troubles with my debian 5.0 install.. my wireless card is atheros, i have installed wireless-tools, gnome-network-manager and isntalled the latest kernel
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22:37<ml|>!beer bja
22:37*dpkg pulls out a fine Jever for bja
22:37<miickee>But everytime I try to connect to the wireless, even after I fixed up the encryption problems, it still isn't working
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22:38<miickee>Cause it switches to "enable roaming mode" even after I have not checked the box, leaving all the information I put in about the wireless device gone.
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22:40<bja>ml|: thx
22:40<bja>needed that
22:42<bja>!beer ml|
22:42*dpkg pours a pint of Gulden Drak for ml|
22:42<bja>ml|: You nailed the problem
22:43<ml|>fixed already?
22:43<drakeman>ml|, done with the safe-upgrade, xD
22:43<bja>nop but it is indeed there
22:43<ml|>bja: np, but how can you be so sure?
22:43<ml|>drakeman: went fine?
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22:44<ml|>bja: thx btw :)
22:45<bja>ml|: A livcd worked fine before she changed the battery, and it didn't work after, seteris paribus but the battery
22:45<ml|>glad you'll fix it soon :)
22:46<drakeman>ml|, yes, just a little problem with netowrk-manager it leaves my eth0 connection unmanaged, but is solved now :D
22:46<bja>ml|: hope so
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22:47<ml|>drakeman: great :)
22:48<drakeman>ml|, from here im going to use only, aptitude.
22:48<miickee>If I use the command "make", with no arguments, like it shows me here in this tutorial, it shouldn't give me this error, if so why? "No such file or directory", "Build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop"
22:48<gsimmons>edbian: /etc/default/rcS ; man 5 rcS
22:48<ml|>drakeman: good
22:50<drakeman>ml|, hey thanks man, i already told you, create your paypal account, your going to receive adolar for every solved question hahah, now you should have like 50$
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22:51<ml|>drakeman: hah
22:53<edbian>gsimmons: awesome! Thank you!
22:54<edbian>drakeman: My dream job
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22:55<drakeman>edbian, dream job? earn money for every debian problem solved?
22:55<ml|>edbian: do you use ntp?
22:55<edbian>drakeman: Well yeah but linux in general. I help out more in #ubuntu
22:55<edbian>ml|: Yeah! But my hwclock is wrong!
22:55<ml|>should be utc
22:56<edbian>Tue 30 Jun 2009 04:56:15 PM CDT -some seconds
22:56<edbian>obviously it is not 4:56 CDT
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22:58<edbian>Why isn't ntp syncing it correctly? Does ntp not sync the hours?
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23:00<GhostlyDeath>edbian: It doesn't really change the time, it changes the time of each second
23:00<GhostlyDeath>So time travels by faster to catch up to the correct time
23:00<edbian>GhostlyDeath: the drift?
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23:00<GhostlyDeath>guess so
23:00<edbian>so should I use hwclock to set my clock to UTC ??
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23:01<GhostlyDeath>is NTP giving you a time too far in the future or the past?
23:01<ml|>edbian: yes, but you need to set hwclock needs to be in utc not local
23:02<edbian>ml|: I don't want to change tzdata correct?
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23:02<edbian>ml|: Is this all done through hwclock --adjust + other flags??
23:02<ml|>ntp works great here, if it's right no but can't hurt to check
23:03<stroyan>edbian: The default limit for ntpd to adust time is 1000 seconds. Look at "man ntpd" and the -g and -x options.
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23:03<ml|>edbian: i didn't have to mess with hwclock, so don't want to say so man hwclock
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23:04<edbian>stroyan: I don't think that ntd is the problem. I think things have been this way ever since I messed around with an ubuntu installation
23:04<ml|>edbian: and use a close ntp server
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23:04<edbian>In any case ntp or not, my hardware clock should not be 04:59 or whatever
23:05<ml|>edbian: is the bios time way off too?
23:05<edbian>I haven't looked recently. Do you want me to reboot and look?
23:05<edbian>I am using a time server in chicago (near me)
23:06<ml|>edbian: in the US?
23:06<stroyan>edbian: The setting of the hardware clock to UTC or local time is configured by /etc/default/rcS and a "UTC=no" or "UTC=yes" line.
23:06<edbian>ml|: Yeah, chicago Il. It's less than 50 miles from me
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23:07<edbian>stroyan: Well that line is "yes" for me but when I run hwclock -r I get 05:07:14 PM CDT
23:07<ml|>i use ... server iburst
23:07<edbian>central daylight time (not UTC)
23:07<ml|>so it picks the best for me
23:07<edbian>which is totally wrong in both timezones...
23:08<edbian>How do I read the system time? Or if I am already, how do I read the hardware time ?
23:09<stroyan>edbian: "hwclock -r --utc" will report the hardware time in UTC.
23:09<edbian>according to the man page the hardware clock is always in local time even if my hardware clock is in CDT
23:09<edbian>stroyan: ok :) thank you
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23:10<edbian>adding the --utc flag gives the exact same output
23:10<ml|>edbian: date?
23:11<edbian>adding --localtime does give the correct time for chicago, Il strangely enough
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23:11<stroyan>edbian: Ouch, I read that manual wrong. The hwclock --utc or --localtime say whether the hardware clock should be set/read as UTC or local time. But it does not affect the displayed time format. That is always local time.
23:12<edbian>date: Jun 30 17:11:35 CDT 2009
23:12<ml|>edbian: man hwclock
23:12<stroyan>edbian: If you ever dual-boot to a microsoft product that will fight to set the hardware clock to local time.
23:12<edbian>ml|: I have the man page open
23:12<edbian>ml|: What should I be looking for?
23:12<ml|>edbian: force ntp to update
23:13<edbian>stroyan: I think it was ubuntu that messed with the clock
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23:13<ml|>edbian: the NOTES section
23:13<edbian>ml|: Thank you :)
23:14<drakeman>hey, for a testing environment is better to install a software like xampp for linux, than install apache2, phpmyadmin, mysqlserver, etc... right? is just for test scripts...
23:14<stroyan>edbian: If you have windows setting and expecting localtime and ubuntu setting and expecting UTC time, then they are both messing up the clock in some sense. :-(
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23:14<ml|>they all need to be setup the same
23:14<abrotman>drakeman: don't you think it should match your deployment environment ?
23:15<edbian>All I have installed now is debian
23:15<edbian>I was just messing around with ubuntu 9.04 back when it came out.
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23:15<ml|>edbian: make sure you are using utc and bios time is not way off
23:16<drakeman>abrotman, yes, thats why im asking because, i dont need a server, or any stable php, mysql support, so i think that xampp was fine for only testing..
23:16<drakeman>abrotman, is not for any buisiness server.
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23:16<abrotman>why would you use xampp .. all those packages are already in debian ?
23:16<edbian>I'm gonna reboot and check the hardware (bios) clock
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23:17<ml|>drakeman: if you want to test stuff do it in a vm
23:17<ml|>so you don't screw up your system
23:17<drakeman>ml|, ehh, good idea too,
23:18<drakeman>my only virtual machine is a windows xp, lol!
23:18<drakeman>inside virtual box.
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23:21<ml|>well thne it won't be to hard
23:22<drakeman>ml|, but is not hard in debian either, i installed a business apache, mysql, php in my work :D in debian stable
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23:22<drakeman>ml|, but i like the idea to do it in a virtual machine
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23:23<edbian>I rebooted and noticed that my bios (real hardware clock) is set to chicago time (the correct chicago time) so I change the rcS line "utc=yes" to "utc=no"
23:23<edbian>But my GDM login still shows the wrong time
23:24<edbian>sudo hwclock --utc : 12:23:13 PM CDT ??
23:24<edbian>I am getting very confused here. Please help :(
23:25<edbian>Is the system time set by the hardware clock?
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23:27<edbian>why does "sudo hwclock --show" not show the hardware clock time? (which is correct!)
23:29<miickee>I have gotten my wireless to work with wicd! However, should I uninstall gnome-network-manager etc to avoid conflicts?
23:30<drakeman>ml|, you remember the man file i was reading about dropcaches?
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23:32<m13rz>i need some help[
23:32<m13rz>installing debian
23:33<drakeman>ml|, want to read it again, i remember the path /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
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23:33<m13rz>Can someone help me with a problem im having?
23:33<drakeman>ml|, but dont remember the man file i was reading .
23:33<drakeman>m13rz, don ask is sombody can help you, just ask.
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23:34<m13rz>When i am installing debian i get to installing base system and then at like 80% i get something like their is no kernell to install
23:34<m13rz>wuts up with that
23:35<m13rz>drakeman any idea?
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23:36<drakeman>m13rz, dont happenet to me before, but let my try to search for it.
23:36<m13rz>it usually just install clean through?
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23:37<m13rz>drakeman i am only using one CD
23:37<m13rz>not a DVD
23:37<m13rz>the first CD, they say thats all i need
23:37<m13rz>for i386
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23:37<drakeman>yes is all you need
23:38<m13rz>okay just clearing that up, cuz i burned almost all of them
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23:38<m13rz>24 of them then realized i didnt need em
23:38<edbian>I figuered it out! Thanks for the help guys :)
23:38<drakeman>m13rz, for a basic installation you need the first one,
23:38<m13rz>okay I know that now, thanx
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23:38<ml|>edbian: ??
23:38<drakeman>m13rz, you know what is the exact error you get?
23:39<ml|>drakeman: what do you mean
23:39<m13rz>not exact
23:39<edbian>my system / hardware clock problem
23:39<m13rz>along the lines
23:39<ml|>edbian: right use hwclock to set the time?
23:39<m13rz>just says there is no kernell to install
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23:40<m13rz>drakeman i checked the md5checksums of the ISO and that was online and it was all good
23:40<drakeman>ml|, you remember, when i run the command sh -c ' echo > 3 /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches, you and enouf was helping me.
23:40<edbian>ml|: I suddenly found (buried in the man page) that you have to reboot to see that hwclock altered the time
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23:40<edbian>So thanks for the help!
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23:41<drakeman>enouf, send me to read a man page, but dont remember what is the man where i read for drop_caches thing
23:41<ml|>thought you did
23:41<ml|>drakeman: lets see
23:41<drakeman>ml|, but it was just a superficial read, i want to read it again,
23:41<drakeman>m13rz, are you updating the system from internet during the install?
23:42<m13rz>dont have LAN
23:42<ml|>drakeman: man sync?
23:43<m13rz>drakeman, I need a LAN connection while installing?
23:43<drakeman>ml|, no, it wasnt sync. mm there is another man page i dont remember in this moment.
23:43<drakeman>m13rz, nop. is not necessary.
23:43<m13rz>ima try and burn another copy. if i get the error again ill just give up on debian
23:43<drakeman>m13rz, just askikng because i had some problems when i update the packages from installation
23:44<drakeman>m13rz, man debian is good, dont give up
23:44<m13rz>yes iv benn told thats y i wanna switch so bad
23:44<m13rz>but i keep getting errors and ima b pissed
23:44<drakeman>m13rz, well dont give up!
23:44<ml|>drakeman: man pro?
23:44<ml|>drakeman: man proc?
23:44<m13rz>ima try not to
23:44<drakeman>m13rz, try to take note of the error
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23:44<m13rz>ill wright it down if it does it this time
23:45<drakeman>ml|, yessss, thanks!!
23:45<drakeman>ml|, going to read it....
23:45<drakeman>m13rz, ok.
23:45<m13rz>ima burn it at 1x too
23:45<ml|>drakeman: np
23:46<drakeman>m13rz, what does it mean ima?
23:46<m13rz>i am
23:46<ml|>m13rz: do you have good net connection?
23:46<drakeman>m13rz, ok ok.
23:46<m13rz>yes i do but its wifi
23:46<m13rz>no LAN
23:46<m13rz>35mb/s LAN
23:46<ml|>nevermind then
23:46<m13rz>15mb/s WiFi
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23:47<m13rz>yeah, netstall wont work for me
23:47<m13rz>ml | Any ideah how to install my WiFi driver on linux?
23:48<m13rz>or drakeman
23:48<drakeman>m13rz, why you dont try to install the system and then ask for the wifi driver :D
23:49<m13rz>not 1x
23:49<ml|>m13rz: no but ... read the following
23:49<ml|>dpkg: tell m13rz about wifi
23:49<ml|>dpkg: tell m13rz about what's my wireles
23:49<ml|>dpkg: tell m13rz about what's my wireless
23:50<m13rz>afk maybe?
23:50<enouf>drakeman: man proc
23:50<enouf>as in procfs ... and /Documentation/fs/proc.txt
23:50<ml|>enouf: heh a bit late ;)
23:50<enouf>ml|: oh well ..
23:50<drakeman>enouf, thanks man!
23:50<enouf>ml|: got some info you might want to hear?
23:50<ml|>enouf: joking :)
23:51<GhostlyDeath>Does Squeeze support ReiserFS w/ Compression?
23:51<ml|>enouf: ^
23:51<enouf>ml|: where's your /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.*map files ?
23:51<ml|>mine?? why you ask
23:52<ml|>maybe someone else
23:52<ml|>server iburst
23:52<enouf>no, yours too
23:52<GhostlyDeath>ml|: Yes to who?
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23:52<enouf>want to hear the excuse, besides what's listed there?
23:53<enouf> * Added patch no_maps_by_default: stop building the maps files by default and see what happens.
23:54<ml|>GhostlyDeath: look again ;)
23:55<drakeman>enouf, yes?
23:55<enouf>drakeman: 'mount' or 'cat /proc/mounts' will always show /proc ;-)
23:56<ml|>enouf: last safe-upgrade saw that but everything is working fine here
23:56<enouf>drakeman: one way to remember
23:56<enouf>engrain into the membr_ai_n :-P
23:56<drakeman>enouf, thanks man!
23:56<drakeman>enouf, really appreciatte
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23:58<GhostlyDeath>Does any filesystem Debian Squeeze support have compression that can be used by Debian?
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