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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-07-01

---Logopened Wed Jul 01 00:00:23 2009
00:01<ml|>enouf: now that i look they are missing like you said, but i didn't look at it closely sense i see no issues from it and know it will be fixed soon
00:01<m13rz>how the fuck i use this bot?
00:02<ml|>dpkg: tell m13rz about dpkgbot
00:02<m13rz>i have D-Link WUA 1340 USB WiFi card
00:02<ml|>dpkg: tell m13rz about selftell
00:02<Hideo>I love you dpkg
00:02<Hideo>dpkg: have my baby
00:02<dpkg>Hideo: bugger all, i dunno
00:02<m13rz>this thing is not gunna help me
00:04<ml|>dpkg: rocks
00:04<dpkg>Yer damned right...
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00:06<gsimmons>m13rz: Once you have your Debian system established, ask dpkg about wua1340 (i.e. /msg dpkg wua1340).
00:06<m13rz>well hes not helping me
00:07<m13rz>ima try and reinstall now
00:07<m13rz>b back in a few
00:07<stroyan>I guess /me ought to get rid of dpkg then.
00:07<stroyan>dpkg -r dpkg
00:07*dpkg removes dpkg along with a pound of flesh from stroyan's body, then staples stroyan back up with a staple gun.
00:07<enouf>ml|: fixed soon?
00:07<enouf>ml|: how, why?
00:08<ml|>enouf: just a guess i had
00:08<enouf>!pal ml|
00:08*dpkg points at ml| and laughs
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00:08<ml|>enouf: but i don't see any problems from that so far :)
00:09*ml| crossess fingers
00:10<enouf>ml|: without using judd , let me see you find the correct kernel module to use for pciid [1102:7002]
00:10<enouf>ml|: and no kmuto either
00:11<enouf>ml|: if you can do so, i've got a usbid for you
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00:14<enouf>ml|: i used to be able to do like this;
00:14<enouf>$ grep 1102.*7002 /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap
00:14<enouf>emu10k1-gp 0x00001102 0x00007002 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0
00:14<enouf>see ?
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00:15<ml|>yeah yeah
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00:15<ml|>!beer enouf
00:15*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for enouf
00:15*enouf thinks ml| crossed hid tongue
00:15<enouf>whiskey please!
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00:16<ml|>not for you after that comment!
00:16<enouf>well .. your crossing of fingers seems to have made you tongue-tied :-P
00:17<ml|>judd: pciid 1102:7002
00:17<judd>ml|: [1102:7002] is 'SB Live! Game Port' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'emu10k1-gp' in lenny. See also
00:17<enouf>awe ,, c'mon hon .. i meant no harm O_0
00:17*enouf hides
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00:17<enouf>ml|: next step - ask judd which koolaid he's drinking :-)
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00:18<enouf>ml|: do me a flava flav would ya?
00:18<ml|>judd: koolaid
00:18<judd>ml|: Error: "koolaid" is not a valid command.
00:18<enouf>find the -m option in man depmod
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00:21<stroyan>enouf: -m is hidden under "-h"
00:22<DDevine>Who knows about apt-pinning?
00:23<h3sp3rus>i got a question on grub interface...wanna make it look nicer
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00:25<ml|>dpkg: tell DDevine about pinning
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00:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:26<DDevine>ml|: Sorry I was just a bit distracted... In any case -
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00:30<eremite00>Could anyone help me with an update-manager problem? It's looking in /home/root/ to create a configuration directory. Since there is no /home/root/, it dies and complains... any ideas?
00:33<ml|>DDevine: maybe that will fix your issue
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00:45<DDevine>ml|: he wants to fully stop mono, so would v=* work?
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00:47<ml|>DDevine: try this v=1.0* replace 1.0 for real version number
00:48<enouf>stroyan: oh .. that's beautiful ... how does things like that get left out of manpages?
00:48<enouf>stroyan: do we have some info page saboteurs amongst us?
00:48<epsas>this is weird
00:49<DDevine>But ml| versions change with the versions!
00:49<epsas>my xrandr -q output shows my resolution on external VGA as 2048x768... but it really is 1024x768
00:50<enouf>and how does anyone come to the endearing term "legacy" ?
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00:51<ml|>DDevine: yes misunderstood need sleep
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00:51<epsas>i don't know why the xrandr would report wrong
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00:52<enouf>epsas: VirtualDisplay option in xorg.conf?
00:52<enouf>or xinerama funk?
00:52<sudhakar>i am sudhakar
00:53<sudhakar>how top add locales
00:54<sudhakar>Indian language like Konkani, Manipuri,Bodo
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00:54<ml|>sudhakar: i believe installing locales-all will help
00:55<sudhakar>ok, i will check
00:55<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>
00:56<epsas>enouf - i havea large enough VirtualDisplay
00:56<epsas>not using xinerama
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00:57<epsas>doing a search for "xrandr wrong resolution reported" shows recent bug reports for x11-server-utils in ubuntu (I am using debian)
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01:01<enouf>epsas: "i havea large enough VirtualDisplay" doesn't tell anyone anything
01:01<epsas>enouf - VirtualDisplay 2048 2048
01:02<enouf>there you go
01:02<epsas>LVDS below VGA - LVDS is 1024 x 600 VGA is supposed to be 2048x768
01:03<epsas>xrandr -q reports VGA using a mode of 2048x768 -- but in reality it is 1024x768
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01:03<epsas>"in reality"
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01:04<enouf>i don't think you can have the host display be so minimalistic and expect the external to be so maximal .. just b/c of the Card's capabilities .. not sure
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01:05<epsas>it should be able to support larger resolutions than this
01:05<epsas>at least according to spec
01:05<enouf>but .. how is it set? did you pass it a command to set it? or is it all defined somewhere? xorg.conf?
01:05<enouf>check your Xorg.0.log
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01:06<epsas>(II) intel(0): Using user preference for initial modes
01:06<enouf>and which driver?
01:06<epsas>(II) intel(0): Output VGA using initial mode 1024x768
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01:07<enouf>try #intel-gfx maybe on
01:07<epsas>there are these lines, which I do not understand
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01:08<sudhakar>I did dpkg-reconfigure locales, but Konkani, Manipuri,Bodo not there
01:09<ml|>sudhakar: did you install all locales
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01:09<ducIsCool>Hi all
01:10<ducIsCool>I looking for a FiSH comptaible IRC client, any idea ?
01:11<ml|>nite all
01:11<ml|>this bot needs to take a break
01:12<ml|>adb: thxs :)
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01:14<sudhakar>ml:yes, i installed locales
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01:17<jm_>heh many people have problems with intel driver and screen resolution
01:18<epsas>jm_ - really?
01:19<adb>sudhakar: find them from other sources , google `locales Konkani, Manipuri, Bodo`
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01:23<epsas>my bad
01:23<epsas>i was using custom modeline that was not based in reality
01:23<epsas>"in reality"
01:24<epsas>so i used the --rate option in xrandr
01:24<jm_>epsas: yup, my brother bought new system this year and went with intel, because everyone keeps saying how great it is, but many times he has regreted it, and one of the initial problems was it refused to use native LCD monitor's mode
01:24<epsas>and everything isgravy
01:24*epsas can watch 3D movies on his eeePC now =D
01:24<adb>sudhakar: `We expect work related to the languages such as kashmiri, manipuri, sindhi, konkani, bodo etc.`
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01:25<sudhakar>adb: ok i will check
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01:26<adb>sudhakar: say thx, at least ..
01:28<sudhakar>adb:sorry, ok thanks
01:28<adb>sudhakar: yw
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01:42<m13rz>kk debian is installed
01:42<m13rz>can someone help me get my WiFi setup?
01:43<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.
01:43<m13rz>i know what chipset i have though
01:44<jm_>so ask dpkg and you'll be pointed to the wiki page for it where you can find instructions
01:44<m13rz>how do i ask?
01:44<gsimmons>m13rz: Again, once you have your Debian system established, ask dpkg about wua1340 (i.e. /msg dpkg wua1340).
01:44<jm_>or simply go to the above mentioned wiki page and do what it says
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01:44<drakeman>congratulate m13rz
01:44<drakeman>!congratulate m13rz
01:44<dpkg>Yay m13rz, you did it!
01:44<drakeman>you install debian :D
01:45<m13rz>na hes not tellin me nothing about dlink
01:46<m13rz>he asked me if i was smoking crack
01:46<m13rz>hes not helping
01:47<gsimmons>m13rz: Your device contains a Ralink RT73 USB chipset, so dpkg is providing pertinent information.
01:47<m13rz>didnt know that xD
01:48<craigevil>it shows that on the wiki page dpkg told you about :)
01:48<m13rz>headn there now
01:50<m13rz>All drivers require non-free firmware for their operation
01:50<m13rz>mean that i cant get wifi?
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01:51<m13rz>yes no?
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01:54<m13rz>So no madder what i need a LAN connection to install this shit?
01:54<m13rz>its telling me i gotta add contrib and free via a url
01:55<craigevil>did you bother to read the wiki?
01:55<m13rz>yes i did..
01:55<m13rz>just read it
01:55<craigevil>you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add contrib non-free to the end of your debian repo
01:55<m13rz>okay so..
01:55<m13rz>i know nothing about linux dude
01:55<m13rz>im a noob
01:56<m13rz>i can root a win 2k boz in 2 minutes though
01:56<m13rz>im just switching to linux
01:56<m13rz>they need to make this shit noob proof
01:57<drakeman>m13rz, aha?
01:57<m13rz>How do i add the component or what ever
01:57<m13rz>bed http://fnjwkncksd
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01:57<m13rz>i am only wifi
01:58<drakeman>m13rz, what do you want to add? where?
01:58<m13rz>drakeman, Add a "non-free"component to /etc/apt/sources.lost
01:58<drakeman>m13rz, you already modify your sources.list?
01:59<m13rz>idk how to do that
01:59<CapaH>Does anyone know where on IRC I would go to discuss some problems with VirtualBox 3.0 ?
02:00<m13rz>not here i dont think
02:00<m13rz>thats wind0z app isnt it?
02:01<craigevil>CapaH: its on freenode #vbox (irc://
02:01<CapaH>No - VirtualBox is a virtual machine software which makes it possible to run guest OSes
02:01<CapaH>thanks craigevil
02:01<m13rz>i know that
02:01<drakeman>Cap_J_L_Picard, virtualbox 3 is already out?
02:02<drakeman>m13rz, what version of debian are you using
02:02<m13rz>the most recent
02:02<craigevil>drakeman: June 30, 2009 VirtualBox 3.0.0 released!
02:02<m13rz>i think
02:02<m13rz>i just downlaoded it today
02:02<drakeman>m13rz, mmm but you can download stable, testing, or sid, they are available to download in
02:03<drakeman>craigevil, i have the 2.something
02:03<CapaH>drakeman, Yes its out - and it has true 3D support - which is what I am trying to get working (almost there)
02:03<CapaH>you can actually run a guest Win XP machine with DirectX 9
02:03<m13rz>drakeman, stabel
02:03<drakeman>CapaH, i have 2.2.4, the 3.0 version is not available in debian repo yet
02:04<drakeman>m13rz, lenny?
02:04<adb>drakeman: Setting up virtualbox-3.0 (3.0.0-49315_Debian_lenny)
02:04<CapaH>drake: Get it direct from virtualbox
02:04<m13rz>drakeman, yes
02:04<drakeman>m13rz, lsb-release -a to make sure
02:04<drakeman>adb, ohhhhhhh, i going to upgrade.
02:04<m13rz>im on wind0z atm
02:04<m13rz>cuz i only have wifi
02:05<m13rz>and cant get wifi workign on debian
02:05<m13rz>drakeman, i know for a fact i have nelly
02:06<adb>dpkg: tell m13rz about enter
02:06<drakeman>m13rz, deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
02:06<drakeman>deb lenny main contrib non-free
02:06<drakeman>you can add those.
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02:06<m13rz>i dont have the internet on it
02:07<m13rz>No InTeRnEt
02:07<m13rz>how am i suposed to do that
02:07<adb>dpkg: tell m13rz about enter
02:07<m13rz>gahh, sorryt
02:08<m13rz>well w/e
02:08<drakeman>m13rz, im telling you because you ask me for debian repositories
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02:08<m13rz>what is that
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02:09<drakeman>CapaH, downloading virtualbox 3 :D
02:09<Hideo>dpkg: tell m13rz about grounding
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02:10<m13rz>-.- i have read it i DONT understand it...
02:10<Hideo>well that's the thing about floridans
02:11<drakeman>m13rz, you already read here ----->
02:11<m13rz>the link ur bot gave me
02:11<craigevil>using windows download firmware-ralink and wireless-tools packages, use a usb drive to install them on debian using dpkg -i packagename then follow the rest of the directions
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02:13<drakeman>m13rz, hope you can solve your wireless problem!
02:13<drakeman>m13rz, debian is great man! better than most of distro out there, and of course than M$
02:13<m13rz>haha true
02:14<m13rz>i am a wind0z hacker
02:14<m13rz>trying to move onto linux hacking
02:14<drakeman>m13rz, you have a lot of info in google, here you can get help to your questions :D
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02:15<m13rz>yep u guys helped me bunches already, thanx so much. ima go and see if i can get on the inter webz now on debian thanx peace
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02:16<drakeman>oh oh, m13rz this is very important, read it please.
02:17<m13rz>ill keep that in mind thanx
02:18<drakeman>CapaH, you already run any 3d inside virtualbox?
02:18<m13rz>ima come here n hang when i get debain allr eady so ill see u l8r
02:18<drakeman>m13rz, np, hey im a newbie too, and the people here send me that info everytime i forget it.... plop!
02:18<drakeman>m13rz, ok
02:18<drakeman>m13rz, gl
02:18<m13rz>thank you
02:19<CapaH>drakeman: I am trying to :) I got dxdiag to work perfectly, but beyond that no
02:19<CapaH>one thing important - you MUST install 'guest additions' in 'safe mode'
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02:19<CapaH>Unfortunately sim city 4 doesn't seem to be working right
02:19<drakeman>CapaH, ohh, ok ok! thanks for the feedback!
02:21<drakeman>CapaH, safe mode inside windwos?
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02:22<CapaH>yes - in the 'guest os'
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02:22<drakeman>CapaH, ok, thanks.
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02:36<goo>im having some truoble getting my wifi working, i got the intel driver and i can find my wireless connections but cant connect
02:36<goo>ill select it all then it will just go back to defaults
02:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 377] by debhelper
02:38<goo>not really sure what to do anymore, ive foollowed about 5 different guides
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02:48<Bruke>Hi. Anyone here feel like giving advice to a linux newbie that is also an IRC first-timer (and thus feeling lost)?
02:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:52<Bruke>I have a Debian 4.0 (etch) install with Apache 2 and FMS 3.5 (SDK). I'm trying to set up virtual hosts for a local server before moving to a production server. I had some help but now he's gone due to illness and I'm stuck trying to configure all this for my first time. I've been reading web tutorials for about three days and can't get anything to work right.
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02:53<goo>nevermind to my question above, network manager did it all
02:55<streuner_>you should know about other methods too...
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02:55<streuner_>NM doesnt work always stable...
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02:56<drakeman>goo look at your config file in /etc/network/interfaces to see how is configured your wifi.
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02:58<goo>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
02:58<streuner_>hm, sure
02:58<streuner_>but it depends on your driver as well...
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02:59<streuner_>!listkeys iwlwifi
02:59<dpkg>Factoid search of 'iwlwifi' by key (3): iwlwifi etch ;; iwlwifi ;; iwlwifi firmware.
02:59<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
02:59<streuner_>goo: read the entry of
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02:59<streuner_>it explain everything
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03:02<gsimmons>Bruke: Have you read the Apache HTTP server documentation, specifically ? If you need to orient yourself with Apache2 configuration in Debian, see /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz.
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03:04<Bruke>Hi gsimmons, yes I read that several times; it seemed very simple and clear about setting up the /etc/apache2/sites-available and using symbolic links in the sites-enabled folder.
03:04<drakeman>Bruke, ------->
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03:04<jm_>you can use a2ensite instead of creating symlinks manually
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03:05<Bruke>thanks jm_, I discovered that yesterday and went back to try that... didn't change the outcome (or lack thereof)... reading that link drakeman sent...brb
03:06<jm_>Bruke: well perhaps it would help if you explain which specific problem you are having
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03:06<m13rz>Your wiki didnt work
03:06<m13rz>when i tried to install the packages it said that the package is not suported?
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03:07<m13rz>WTf is that man
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03:07<m13rz>i need some help plz
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03:07<m13rz>im going fucking insane
03:07<Bruke>Actually, that link drakeman sent is the first I've seen that mentions /conf.d/virtual.conf - going to try that a second to see if it works...
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03:08<m13rz>bruke what?
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03:08<m13rz>i need drakeman
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03:08<Bruke>Sorry, new to irc, not familiar with the etiquette. Was responding to an earlier comment.
03:09<Cap_J_L_Picard>m13rz: do you know what wifi card it is?
03:09<m13rz>ahh its cool
03:09<gsimmons>m13rz: Were you able to manually download, transfer and install (via dpkg -i) the firmware-ralink package, as suggested by craigevil?
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03:09<drakeman>m13rz, ehh, what happen? u can explain your exact problem to see if anyone here have experienced your problem before.
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03:09<m13rz>I double clicked on the .deb packages and when the archive manager opend it said unsuported package
03:10<m13rz>gsimmons i DONT have LAN so how am i suposed to install these if i dont have internet?
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03:11<Cap_J_L_Picard>m13rz: well, okay 1) sounds like corrupted .deb file download, 2) you want ro install it via dpkg -i (download elsewhere and transfer using portable disc or somesuch).
03:11<m13rz>i only have a cd burner and only 1 more CD left
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03:11<Cap_J_L_Picard>the archive manager will literally try to extract it as any lmza archive.
03:12<Cap_J_L_Picard>m13rz: no flash drives?
03:12<m13rz>when i do dpkg -i
03:12<m13rz>what next?
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03:12<drakeman>is hard without the internt connection.
03:12<m13rz>and no i think i lost it
03:12<Cap_J_L_Picard>dpkg -i /path/to/debfile.deb
03:12<dpkg>package /path/to/debfile.deb is already installed
03:12<jm_>!rube goldberg install
03:12<dpkg>"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
03:13<Cap_J_L_Picard>damn bot, lols...
03:13<m13rz>ima try this dpkg thing ill b back
03:13<Cap_J_L_Picard>m13rz: will only work with a non corrupted file
03:13<Bruke>drakeman, I just followed that site's advice and created a new file /etc/apache2/conf.d/virtual.conf and set up NameVirtualHost * (and also tried *:80) and then got an error that states NameVirtualHost * has no VirtualHosts
03:13<m13rz>gahh r u sure its corrupt?
03:14<Cap_J_L_Picard>7-zip can open .deb archives (just as archive manager could) on windows.
03:14<jm_>or mc
03:14<m13rz>yes i know
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03:14<goo>why do my browsers always run slower on linux than windows
03:14<Cap_J_L_Picard>well, it's actually just a compressed archive, much like zip file... so if you can't physically uncompress it, it's corrupted...
03:14<goo>load pages slower i should say
03:14<Cap_J_L_Picard>goo: which browser?
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03:15<goo>firefox, theres always a few second delay between hitting enter and the page STARTING to load
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03:15<goo>well, and epiphany too
03:15<m13rz>one more thing
03:15<m13rz>when i do that deb command it dont work
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03:16<Cap_J_L_Picard>goo: is that 1) latest firefox stable (3.5) and you might want to change the render pause time in about:config
03:16<Cap_J_L_Picard>m13rz: it will as root, as long as the file you are targeting isn't corrupted...
03:16<goo>yeah, and ok good idea
03:17<drakeman>Bruke, what about this --->
03:17<m13rz>do i open Root Terminal?
03:17<jm_>goo: did you verify if your name resolution is slow?
03:17<goo>sorry im not sure what that is
03:17<Cap_J_L_Picard>goo: also, the dns resolver is OS specific, so that *could* be the problem. The linux one is far more configurable. Windows doesn't even use all DHCP information...
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03:18<drakeman>have to go guys, Bruke gl, m13rz gl, hope tomorrow you have your wifi thing solved.
03:18<Cap_J_L_Picard>m13rz: that is one possible way to get root, or use su or sudo from a non root terminal
03:18<m13rz>later drakeman
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03:19<m13rz>u just do sudo deb blahh?
03:20<m13rz>well im going to attepmt to waste another CD on this shit
03:20<m13rz>i dont think the packages are corrupt though
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03:20<m13rz>its pissing me off now
03:20<m13rz>BBL later
03:21<lwm>what is the best way to get firefox 3.5 in lenny?
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03:21<jm_>lwm: one option would be to use their tarball and put it in /opt, it's not in Debian yet
03:22<jm_>there was a post from debian maintainer about using gecko 1.9.1 with 3.0.11, so obviously some work is going on
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03:22<lwm>jm_: do personally you use the debian package or compile it yourself?
03:23<jm_>lwm: I use debian packages only (they provide binary release too so you don't have to waste time to compile it - it takes quite some time)
03:23<Cap_J_L_Picard>lwm: mozilla release a binary tarball you can use
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03:25<lwm>Cap_J_L_Picard: hm, if I compile it myself, how will mozilla's update mechanism work?
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03:32<lwm>Cap_J_L_Picard: just tried the binary, it's nice, don't have to compile and it still sees all of my old addons..etc
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03:33<Scytale_>is there a way to mount ext4 partitions on lenny?
03:36<DDevine>Lenny supports ext4 - just use the mount command as per usual.
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03:37<Scytale_>DDevine, unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
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03:38<m13rz>need HELP!
03:38<m13rz>im gunna fucking kill someone
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03:41<gsimmons>m13rz: You need to calm down. Were you able to manually acquire, transfer and install (via dpkg -i) the required firmware-ralink package?
03:41<gsimmons>m13rz: What problems/issues did you encounter?
03:42<m13rz>'The packsge type is not suported'
03:42<Scytale_>DDevine, thanks, that worked
03:42<m13rz>something along those lines
03:42<m13rz>when i dpkg -i the thing dont work
03:43<m13rz>i do iwconfig and its not there
03:45<m13rz>this shit for real is pissing me off badlyu
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03:46<gsimmons>m13rz: Can you provide more details - such as the commands entered and errors messages returned - rather than "dont work"? iwconfig will be of little use to you until /lib/firmware/rt73.bin (provided by firmware-ralink) is available on your system.
03:47<m13rz>gsimmons when i type
03:47<m13rz>dpkg -i <path to deb>
03:47*dpkg installs <path to deb> into m13rz's head with a bone saw and a few screws
03:47<m13rz>the archive manager open and then it says file type not suported
03:47<m13rz>thats it
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03:49<gsimmons>m13rz: Any message from dpkg-deb about "is not a debian format archive"?
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03:51<gsimmons>m13rz: Just to confirm, you are attempting to install the firmware-ralink_0.14+lenny1_all.deb via dpkg -i, correct?
03:51<m13rz>yes sir
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03:53<gsimmons>m13rz: Run md5sum on the file. Please confirm that a checksum of 2fdc88629597ef2b5e8e1c43fd710882 is returned.
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03:53<m13rz>it comes out clean man
03:54<m13rz>gsimmons md5 is straight
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03:55<m13rz>im going to try and re burn them, ill burn then come back with my errors written down
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03:58<Waslaw>hi, did you know how to install airoscript in backtrack 4 pre-relase ?
03:59<gsimmons>Waslaw: BackTrack isn't supported here. You would want to ask in #remote-exploit on
04:00<Waslaw>like /join #remote-exploit
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04:25<m13rz>okay i think the drivers are all installed now but how the fuck do i get online?
04:26<gsimmons>m13rz: See
04:27<m13rz>wow wish i woulda know u had to have this fuycking shit before i used my last CD
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04:39<vincent>hi there
04:39<vincent>I am new here
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04:40<vincent>when I try to run realplayer with ./realplay. (realplay.bin:10775): Gtk-WARNING **: Invalid input string
04:40<vincent>./realplay: line 57: 10775 段错误 $HELIX_LIBS/realplay.bin "$@"
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04:45<morpheuss> hi guys
04:45<morpheuss> genisoimage: Volume ID string too long while distro building using live helper
04:46<morpheuss>how to solve it
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05:03<enouf>VolumeID would be your ISO level? it's that thing when you name a Volume using ALL_CAPS and only get like 9-12 spaces to do so?
05:03<enouf>morpheuss: man genisoimage - search for 'level'
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05:04<morpheuss>ok enouf
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05:05<enouf>morpheuss: or .. start at -V volid
05:05<enouf>and see 'volset'
05:05<enouf>just beneath
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05:07<enouf>i think you want the -V volid, from what i'm reading
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05:08<markwell>does anyone of you know if I can use disklabels in /etc/mdadm.conf?
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05:08<morpheuss>thank you very much enouf
05:08<morpheuss>its resolved now
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05:09<detective>someone here who build (with m-a ) the new fglrx against 2.6.29?
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05:14<sylarr>anyone know how to mount ocfs2 snapshot while the source of the snapshot is also mounted?
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05:25<enouf>markwell: should be /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and not sure ...
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05:25<markwell>enouf: you're right
05:26<enouf>markwell: man mdadm, man mdadm.conf - see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/*
05:26<enouf>markwell: note the file /etc/default/mdadm (just to note it's settings, not necessarily for your issue)
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05:28<enouf>sylarr: all i can say is read ./fs/Kconfig in the kernel source for pointers to docs and such
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05:29<enouf>sylarr: (naturally see the ocfs2 sections)
05:30<enouf>sylarr: heh, basically same info is in
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05:35<sylarr>enouf, i can't see a solution, the problem is that the ocfs2 manager will not let you load the same volume twice on the same node
05:36<sylarr>enouf, I am thinking of maybe making a VM without networking, inorder that the manager will not know about any other nodes
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05:37<sylarr>enouf, which will work, unless the FS contain some meta data , that communicates
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05:46<lwm>detective: v. 9.6 (8-62) ? yes, but only against 2.6.26.
05:47<detective>lwm: mhhh it fails for 2.6.29, 2.6.30 works
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05:56<enouf>sylarr: i'd be very careful
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06:05<shay>hello folks, I am having a problem with Xen networking.. I've pasted all the needed information incluiding console outputs here:
06:05<shay>any help is appreciated
06:06<shay>in addition to what is in the pastebin, I've also tried to install apt-proxy on the host server and let one of the guests to apt-get update throught it, didnt help
06:06<petemc>you're not using the xen scripts for networking?
06:06<shay>I think I am.. how can I check?
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06:07<sylarr>enouf, k, I'll try to find some ocfs2 guru
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06:08<petemc>shay: in your domu config files you have to specify the networking corresponding to the scripts in /etc/xen/scripts/
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06:09<shay>petemc: under "Networking" i have a "vif" directive with the IP address and the MAC address.
06:10<petemc>shay: you also mention using iptables
06:10<shay>petemc: right, the rules for ip-masquerading and the interface configurations on the hosts and the guests were done manually.
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06:12<shay>petemc: networking in general seems to be working fine, I am able to browse and ping to the internet
06:12<petemc>so whats the problem?
06:13<shay>petemc: I'm unable to apt-get update on the guests or install anything
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06:14<shay>it gets stucked in "Waiting for headers" on http and "Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. '" on ftp
06:14<shay>as I mentioned before, apt-proxy was also tried
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06:15<shay>(apt-get works fine on the Host machine)
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06:17<shay>petemc: any ideas?
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06:18<enouf>sylarr: might want to try one of these lists/groups
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06:22<petemc>shay: im afraid not, i use the xen network bridge script on all my xen boxes, works well for me
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06:31<shay>petemc: any ways to debug apt-get?
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06:31<petemc>shay: it just uses http or ftp, so normal methods
06:32<elrebrin>Howdy folks, anybody know if there is an IRC channel for graphviz anywhere? I've been looking around, but can't find anything..
06:33<petemc>tried on freenode?
06:33<lwm>shay: are you able to ping/browse from one of the guests?
06:33<shay>lwm: yes
06:33<shay>is there a way to make apt-get work on verbose mode so I can see exactly which HTTP and to which path it goes?
06:34<shay>I would like to simulate the same request with curl/wget
06:34<elrebrin>@petemc: Yup, didn't see anything.
06:34<shay>s/which HTTP/which HTTP request
06:34<petemc>you can see where its going by looking in sources.list
06:35<shay>it is a normal sources.list config... and a local (country) mirror, tried US mirror too
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06:35<elrebrin>@shay: apt-get has a "--print-uris" option (or something similar) that I think will show you what it wants to download.
06:35<shay>same mirrors are used on the host machine
06:35<shay>elrebrin: thanks
06:35<elrebrin>@shay: No probs.
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06:44<jm_>shay: or by stracing it, it also has debug options which will help
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06:46<shay>jm_, lwm, petemc, elrebrin: the problem was the file proxy-guess located on /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
06:46<shay>the momment i removed the file all started to work fine
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06:47<shay>oh sorry, ignore the last line
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06:48<shay>strace gives me a loop of:
06:48<shay>% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]) = 47
06:48<shay>select(7, [5 6], [], NULL, {0, 500000}) = 0 (Timeout)
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06:50<enouf>shay: echo $http_proxy
06:50<enouf>shay: man apt.conf IIRC, to see how to setup a proxy
06:51<shay>enouf: nothing, "export" also shows no traces of environmental variables regarding http/ftp proxy or the liek
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06:51<jm_>right, what state is the socket in?
06:53<enouf>hrm that'd be the connect option of strace, IINM
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07:01<shay>jm_: FIN_WAIT1
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07:02<shay>tcp 0 1 FIN_WAIT1
07:02<shay>RECV-Q 0, SEND-Q 1
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07:05<shay>what is really weird is that it only happens with the debian server, i also tried to curl the same requests that apt-get does and it gets stucked
07:05<shay>but if i curl for example, it works
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07:08<bremner>rreal: try /join
07:09<shay>any other ideas?
07:09<shay>jm_: does the socket state can give me an indication of what is going on?
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07:10<lwm>shay: jm_: doesn't FIN_WAIT_1 mean it gave and is already waiting to close the connection?
07:10<lwm>*gave up*
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07:11<lwm>shay: maybe the mirror you're using is rejecting the connection?
07:11<shay>lwm: and :)
07:11<lwm>shay: hmmm...
07:11<shay>and everything works fine on the host machine (the one that is hosting the xen guests that have the problem)
07:11<jm_>shay: sorry need to help someone at work
07:11<shay>ok, thanks anyway
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07:14<nuran>I was wondering if someone here can help me out with a problem
07:15<lwm>shay: is the ip of the host? b/c it isn't that of the two mirrors
07:15<shay>just ask
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07:15<nuran>I run into problems with an expert_recipe in a preseed file
07:15<ubuntuyo>ask! nuran
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07:16<shay>lwn: host |grep
07:16<shay> has address
07:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
07:16<shay>it just not FQDN
07:16<nuran>I try to install Ubuntu 8.04 LTS on a HP DL380 G5 with SmartArray
07:16<shay>nuran: you should ask for help on the Ubuntu IRC channel then
07:16<petemc>nuran: try #ubuntu on freenode
07:17<nuran>isn't the preseed from Ubuntu exaclty the same as Debian's ?
07:17<bremner>!tell nuran about ubuntu
07:17<ubuntuyo>there are 1300 people in.
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07:21<enouf>ubuntuyo: aren't 1300 better than 900?
07:21<enouf>(though here on oftc, there's likely less than that)
07:22<enouf>ubuntuyo: and no, it's not, IINM
07:22<ubuntuyo>I'm sorry. I don't understand.
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07:22<enouf>ubuntuyo: debootstrap isn't anyways
07:22<enouf>sure you do
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07:23<enouf>ubuntuyo: sorry! wrong nick :-P
07:23<lwm>shay: it still looks like a proxy issue because you get google just fine
07:24<enouf>dig gives me many addys
07:24<enouf>one of which is
07:25<lwm>yeah, i just get 2, one of which is ipv6
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07:26<lwm>enouf: just to check, is in your results, right?
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07:33<enouf>lwm: no
07:33<lwm>um, doesn't list my result, but does seem to agree with what you guys are saying
07:33<nuran>OK, I asked in the Ubuntu channel for my preseeding problem. But they don't know
07:33<enouf>lwm: but here;
07:33<lwm>how screwed am I?
07:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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07:34<enouf>lwm: could be a 'continental' thing :-P
07:35<enouf>lwm: which debian release?
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07:35<enouf>lwm: and ... /msg dpkg new archive key
07:35<enouf>i guess
07:36<samantha-c>what's the typical turn-around for an initial response on a bug report on apt? anyone have a clue?
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07:39<lwm>enouf: wait, how do I know that the debian-archive-keyring I installed in the first place was legit? I see how it can verify packages I install afterwards
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07:42<enouf>lwm: install and read
07:42<dpkg>harden-doc is probably or apt-get install harden-doc -or- aptitude install harden-doc
07:43<enouf>lwm: use debsums
07:43<dpkg>from memory, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to check config files.
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07:44<enouf>samantha-c: depends
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07:45<enouf>samantha-c: on Severity (as realized and decided upon via maintainer) , whether it's even apropos for pkg, or to be reassigned, whether it's a duplicate, etc etc ...
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07:46<enouf>samantha-c: whether or not a reportbug was used properly .. or someone sent Hotmail and HTML :-P
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07:46<enouf>plus Attachments with viruses :-P
07:46<samantha-c>enouf: i don't mean a fix. i mean, for someone to look at it and decide if i've set it up right, not duplicated, etc. and i didn't send it html (altho i had to copy/paste reportbug's output) :-)
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07:47<samantha-c>hopefully it'll be an easy fix, it's a regression bug
07:47<enouf>samantha-c: give it a week - even more - depends on how diligent the maintainer is ... some people have real jobs, others on vacation ;-) ... depends
07:48<samantha-c>j ... j ... jobs?
07:48<enouf>samantha-c: want to share?
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07:48<samantha-c>share what?
07:48<enouf>your BUG!
07:48<enouf>!spank samantha-c
07:48*dpkg bends samantha-c over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
07:49*samantha-c loves it when dpkg gets all Domme.
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07:49<enouf>heh .. sorry
07:50<enouf>samantha-c: fwiw; i have here ; Installed: 0.7.21
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07:50<samantha-c>yeah, so do i.
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07:50<c36pop>hi since a recent squeeze update , all the application are full screen with the bootom panel above the application , where can i set that problem ?
07:51<enouf>samantha-c: i'vew done recent apt-get update, no issues like that
07:51<enouf>samantha-c: let me read more though
07:51<samantha-c>enouf: try adding the archive: deb unstable contrib
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07:51<enouf>samantha-c: is that an official mirror?
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07:51<dpkg>from memory, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>.
07:51<samantha-c>if you're using the debian archives you are unlikely to see the issue as they most likely have Packages.bz2 files
07:52<enouf>then it's not a Debian issue
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07:52<samantha-c>it's a bug in handling a Packages.gz file
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07:52<enouf>samantha-c: i haven't seen any errors like that ,, at all
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07:53<c36pop>hi since a recent squeeze update , all the application are full screen with the bootom panel above the application , where can i set that problem ?
07:53<samantha-c>enouf: as i indicated on the report, this appears when there is no Packages.bz2, but there IS a Packages.gz. the Packages.bz2 download reports a 404, produces a 0-length file, and then apt tries to uncompress it, producing this error.
07:54<samantha-c>If fallback to Pacakges.gz is no longer supported, then a more appropriate error should be reported, so even if the archive needs an update, it's still an apt bug.
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07:57<samantha-c>one way or another it's an apt bug.
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08:01<lwm>gotta run, morning sleep calls
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08:01<peteruk>hello everybody
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08:09<enouf>samantha-c: how can debian-devs control what happens when non-official mirrors don't comply?
08:10<enouf>samantha-c: if you think it's such an issue, you _are_ free to submit patches ;-)
08:10<bremner>enouf: maybe I missed it, but where is the repo format documented?
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08:11<enouf>bremner: see
08:11<enouf>bremner: are you asking me "how do i create and submit an official mirror?"
08:11<helmut>hi. I remember there were some approaches to automatically patching (and rebuilding) packages prior to installing them. does someone know the names of these projects?
08:12<enouf>helmut: approaches? /msg dpkg nmg
08:12<enouf>!wayttd helmut
08:12<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, helmut?
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08:13<enouf>!package basics
08:13<dpkg>package basics is, like, The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at
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08:13<helmut>enouf: I'm trying to give a set of patches for packages and when a package has patches it should rebuild the package with the patch applied prior to installing.
08:14<helmut>enouf: I know how to do the stuff manually.
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08:14<bremner>enouf: no, I'm asking, how do I know if a repo in the the correct format for apt to understand it. Indirectly, I'm asking if there is any definition other than the apt-get/libapt source code.
08:14<enouf>helmut: you likely want a) patch pkg, b) perhaps linux-patch-* pkgs c) devscripts build-essential etc
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08:14<helmut>enouf: the point is: quite some maintainers refuse to apply useful patches, so I have to do it on my own. and with more and more patches the task to do that all manually is frustrating.
08:15<enouf>bremner: /msg dpkg mirror ?
08:15<enouf>helmut: so start your own fork .. and call it helmutbuntu
08:16<helmut>enouf: what software is available for forking?
08:16<dr|z3d>helmut: Why not set up a PPA?
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08:16<helmut>dr|z3d: because this is debian not ubuntu and I don't accept the launchpad blabla agreement.
08:17<dr|z3d>Hmmkay. Nevermind, then. enouf's Ubuntu reference threw me. :)
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08:17<bremner>helmut: well, reprepro lets you set up a "PPA"
08:18<helmut>bremner: the point is more about automatically rebuilding the package with the patches when a new version arrives in debian.
08:18<enouf>helmut: i made a gesture; probably not nice, but i don't have anymore to say about it, nor do i know the specifics, sorru
08:19<enouf>apologies even
08:19<enouf>helmut: you might be thinking of apt-build or something
08:19<bremner>helmut: how many packages are you talking about?
08:19<dpkg>it has been said that apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful.
08:19<helmut>I mean I know how to set up a debian repository, run pbuilder, etc. I just don't want to reinvent the wheel.
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08:20<dr|z3d>helmut: Wrt forking, most open source projects permit forking.
08:20<helmut>bremner: currently like psi, mutt, syrep. growing slowly.
08:21<helmut>dr|z3d: permitting is one part. managing that the other.
08:21<dpkg>methinks work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-)
08:21<helmut>bremner: psi is seriously lacking shell control, mutt modifies messages on move and syrep ignores dotfiles.
08:21<enouf>!doesn't work
08:21<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
08:22<enouf>sorry - had to say it -- it was the "do the dishes" thing :-P
08:22<bremner>helmut: it sounds more like you should be bugging the upstream developers.
08:22<helmut>hmm. sounds like I should have a deeper look apt apt-build
08:22<dpkg>from memory, works is something I am
08:22<helmut>bremner: I did. and got frustrated. psi: three releases. two patches. non merged.
08:23<helmut>bremner: mutt will eventually patch. syrep no definite response yet.
08:24<enouf>helmut: i am in no way passing judgement on what your patches do/allow/etc .. naturally, i don't know .. but i've found MANY things i do NOT like, so ... i atleast applaud you for attempting to contribute
08:24<jm_>helmut: have you asked Debian devels if they would include a patch?
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08:25*enouf thought he _was_ referring to DDs, not upstream
08:26<helmut>jm_: of course
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08:26<enouf>helmut: was the response; "well, if your patch is cohesive, upstream should accept it" ?
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08:27<helmut>jm_: I think about 1/4 of my bug reports should have tag patch.
08:27*enouf recalls the SSL debacle .. ugh
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08:28<enouf>just as with the kernel, most things, should be taken care of upstream, IMHO
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08:28<Tuplad>how can I view dvds ? I've inserted numerous dvds (music/video) but none of them mount or work.
08:28<enouf>this is where Canonical (and all debian variants) and others such as man* distros fail miserably
08:29<Tuplad>Slurb: tried that one :(
08:29<dpkg>dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
08:29<Tuplad>anything special I have to do after installing it ?
08:29<enouf>has whatever you need
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08:29<Slurb>it should work right after install
08:30<jm_>Tuplad: mplayer can play them or VLC
08:30<Tuplad>jm: but I need to access them, raw
08:30<Slurb>i would recomment handbrake to rip dvd's
08:30<jm_>Tuplad: what for?
08:30<Tuplad>Slurb: using handbrake
08:30<Tuplad>jm: I've got an Deluxe Edition dvd with pictures and live videos etc. I'd like to get the pictures :)
08:31<jm_>Tuplad: well they are normal iso9660/udf discs
08:31<enouf>Tuplad: raw != mounting
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08:32<Tuplad>enouf: :o
08:32<Tuplad>jm: I have no idea, but let's suppose it is
08:32<Slurb>mount /dev/dvd /media/cdrom0
08:32<enouf>raw, to me is remisicent of raw audio, like cdrdao/cdda2wav does, and such
08:33<enouf>there's even -raw96 style options
08:33<Slurb>i have never tried to explore a dvd though
08:33<Slurb>just put em in and rip
08:33<jm_>it's just a normal fs with VOB files etc.
08:34<enouf>jm_: normal? heh ,,
08:34<jm_>enouf: as opposed to audio CD-s for example
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08:35<enouf>jm_: and there;s nothing about AudioCDs that involves a 'normal' FS
08:35<enouf>oh .. ok
08:35<cortana>How can I stop GTK+ programs from beeping the bell when I press backspace in an empty GtkEntry?
08:35<enouf>as opposed to .. sorry
08:35<cortana>and/or vim from beeping if I type the wrong thing into it
08:35<dr|z3d>Interesting development wrt Mono. Stallman speaks:
08:36<cortana>it's only started doing this recently and it's really startign to annoy :)
08:36<jm_>cortana: vim has settings for beep, :help vb
08:36<samantha-c>i'm trying to get wget to mirror a directory, eg wget -m <url> but it keeps going UP (following a server-generated "parent directory" link) ... how do i get it to only go DOWN from the start point?
08:36<Tuplad>Slurb: mount: /dev/hda: unknown device
08:36<Tuplad>Slurb: ;(
08:36<cortana>jm, that fixes that at least... but I woudl rather hope i don't have to track down an unknown amount of random settings in all my programs...
08:36<jm_>cortana: alternatively, just change beep frequency etc. to disable it (xset for X, setterm for console)
08:36<cortana>ah thanks!
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08:37<cortana>there *used* to be a setting for this in the sound properties window :(
08:37<Tuplad>Slurb: it's not that easy to rip and I don't really want to rip it either :\
08:37<enouf>jm_: i'd be surprised if the mpeg, or whatever Audio encoding done on DVD audio is any less er.. hidden than what audiocds do - since after all, there's all this Dolby/THC/7.1 Whatever nonsense involved also
08:37<Slurb>try /dev/dvdrw
08:37<Tuplad>Slurb: like, I know handbrake does it but still, it takes a long time
08:37<Tuplad>Slurb: tried both
08:37<Tuplad>Slurb: same response
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08:37<Slurb>look in your /etc/fstab
08:38<Slurb>mine is /dev/sr0
08:38<enouf>jm_: though i know mplayer/mencoder can indeed extract it .. with proper codec support
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08:38<enouf>Tuplad: dmesg | grep ATAPI
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08:38<Tuplad>Slurb: mine is /dev/hda and /dev/hdb
08:38<enouf>Tuplad: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info
08:39<jm_>enouf: sure
08:39<Tuplad>enouf: oh, that's sexy, thanks!
08:39<Tuplad>enouf: it still doesn't work though ;(
08:39<enouf>udevinfo -q all -n /dev/cdrom
08:39<enouf>or ..
08:39<enouf>udevadm --info -q all -n /dev/cdrom ?
08:39<Slurb>well i must go to work
08:39<Slurb>Tuplad: enouf will help you
08:40<enouf>Slurb: thanks :-(
08:40<Tuplad>Slurb: thanks, good luck
08:40<Slurb>have a great day all
08:40<enouf>Slurb: you too
08:40<Slurb>good luck to you too
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08:40<enouf>Tuplad: go play with cdemu or something that windows users do :-P
08:41*enouf helps
08:41*Tuplad cries
08:41<enouf>!comfort Tuplad
08:41<dpkg>There, there, Tuplad. It's OK. I'm here for you.
08:41<Tuplad>:') omg
08:41<Tuplad>but seriously, any ideas ? :p
08:41<enouf>!any idea
08:41<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little thermal paste, and 42 three-legged weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes!
08:42*enouf cou;dn't help himself
08:42<Tuplad>oh but come on... it can't be that primitive when it comes to viewing dvds ?
08:43<jm_>Tuplad: or grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
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08:43<enouf>Tuplad: viewing and playback == same?
08:43<Tuplad>enouf: no
08:43<enouf>ok, so ...
08:43<enouf>Tuplad: let me ask, are you root user when trying?
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08:44<Tuplad>enouf: well, now that we're talking about it... I can't play the dvd either
08:44<Tuplad>enouf: ofcourse
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08:44<enouf>Tuplad: you need to add your user to 'disk' group if not
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08:44<enouf>which is NOT recommended
08:44<Tuplad>enkrypt: why not
08:44<jm_>disk for cdrom? what happened to cdrom group?
08:44<enouf>in order to gain "raw" access
08:45<dimedo>is there a commandline tool which simply generates password hashes as used in /etc/shadow (crypt md5)?
08:45<enouf>jm_: oh well
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08:45<jm_>dimedo: sure, mkpasswd
08:45<Tuplad>so just add myself to cdrom group ?
08:45<stew>dimedo: dimedo mkpasswd -H md5
08:45<stew>oops oops
08:45<enouf>jm_: i guess since optical media can be RW, it might have an impact?
08:45<shay>jm_, lwm, petemc, elrebrin: if you guys are interested, I found my problem, the MTU on the ethernet device of the host machine was set at 1300, once i changed it to 1500 everything got back to normal
08:46<enouf>Tuplad: doesn't matter if you're root user
08:46<jm_>enouf: yeah but you can use cdrom for that too, can't you?
08:46<dimedo>jm_, stew: you rock.
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08:46<jm_>shay: ahh heh, those are always a bitch to find
08:46<enouf>jm_: i don;t know :-/
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08:46<shay>jm_: you bet!
08:46<enouf>shay: OMG
08:46<shay>jm_: the whole morning wasted because of that
08:46<Tuplad>enkrypt: can't access it in root or in user :<
08:47<jm_>shay: and I always forget to ask people to check it unless it's something like PPP
08:47<shay>jm_: yeah, sounds like a reasonable question for ppp connections, but i totally forgot that like half a year ago I was doing some network tests and totally forgot about it
08:47<enouf>shay: udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0
08:48<enouf>should show MTU, and much more - heh
08:48<shay>jm_: it's also something that you totally miss when you read the ifconfing output
08:48<sylar>I see no Trash in my Trash on gnome trash bin
08:48<enouf> ATTR{mtu}=="1500"
08:48<sylar>anyone know what is going on?
08:48<jm_>shay: well yeah mental ignore kicks in :)
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08:49*Tuplad feels left behind
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08:51<enouf>omfg.. what a dump --> $ udevadm info --query=all --path=/sys/class/net/eth0
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08:52<sylar>bug #527737
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08:53<enouf>how is it possible to break things so horribly bad?
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08:54<enouf>sylar: there's some sort of mktrashdir command or something
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08:54<beer>will kde 4.3 rc 1 be in experimental "soon"?
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08:56<sylar>enouf, if you'll recall... this one i don't have yet (mktrashdir)
08:57<enouf>sylar: i've seen it though .. i can't recall .. i'm looking still
08:57<enouf>sylar: i dislike DEs
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08:59<enouf>sylar: sorry! i was thinking of "mklost+found"
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08:59<sylar>enouf, I found a bug
09:00<enouf>close .. but no cigar :-P
09:00<sylar>no , no cigar this time :)
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09:01<enouf>!dbugs 527737
09:01<dpkg>#527737:N[nautilus] trash: does not show the deleted files (); Fri, 08 May 2009 18:30:02 UTC []
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09:02<enouf>why would it show deleted files? if it's not showing "moved to trash for temporary deletion" that'd be a bug to me
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09:03<sylar>enouf, it shows up empty
09:03<enouf>you might want to configure your gnome, nautilus, gconf2-tool setup so it doesn't auto delete them
09:04<enouf>but instead, just moves them to Trash,bin or whatever
09:04<sylar>they are in .local/share/Trash/files
09:05<sylar>you think it auto deletes them, and moves them to .local/share/Trash/files
09:05<enouf>$ ll ~/.local/share/Trash/files shows nothing here
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09:05<enouf>ll == ls -al
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09:06<sylar>nautilus version?
09:06<enouf>sylar: no, sid, but i don;t use KDE nor GNOME
09:06<sylar>or rather
09:07<sylar>There has to be some sounds to know how to spell these things...
09:07<enouf>that dir/ structure wreaks of Redmond
09:07<enouf>.local .. omfg
09:07<sylar>enouf, it is your distro
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09:08<sylar>enouf, at #gnome they are like huh? why is it there it should be in ~/.Trash
09:08<enouf>it's yours .. i can WIPE that right now, and cause no harm
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09:09<enouf>try deltree C:/Docu..../local .. and tell me how it goes
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09:10<enouf>er s./,\,
09:10<enouf>$ ll ~/.Trash
09:10<enouf>ls: cannot access /home/stompthebozo/.Trash: No such file or directory
09:11<sylar>so... now I know your real name....
09:11<enouf>like i said, no DE here
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09:11<enouf>sylar: yes, it's bozokiller
09:12<sylar>enouf, .Trash is a gnome or nautilus thingy
09:12<enouf>sylar: no it isn't
09:12<enouf>kde also has it
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09:12<enouf>and likely others
09:12<sylar>k, but if you don't use gnome it is unlikely that you will have that bug
09:13<enouf>sylar: sudo/root "updatedb" then "$ locate -i trash"
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09:14<enouf>sylar: no quotes, no $ .. that's my prompt :-P
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09:18<sylar>enouf, it seem like upgrade moved trash from .Trash to .local/share/Trash
09:18<sylar>as someone in #gnome said...
09:18<sylar>"i have no idea what debian did to have gnome-vfs store trash in .local/share/Trash"
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09:24<fmr>since the update of X, I don't have opengl effect on KDE4... some ideas ?
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09:25<fmr>and no opengl at all... youpiiiiiii
09:25<samantha-c> I am trying to mirror this directory, but even with wget -m -np (noparent) turned on, it still winds up going UP the tree.
09:25<samantha-c>what do i do to stop this? i want it to go down only.
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09:49<fmr>ok no prob, I've rebuild nvidia drivers and opengl re-works
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09:51<enouf>sylar: ask in #gnome-debian on or read the changelogs?
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09:51<enouf>install apt-listchanges sylar ?
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10:16<kar>somebody familiar to NFS to solve a problem?
10:17<dr|z3d>kar: Ask your question to the channel.
10:17<kar>i have 2 pcs on a router and want to share a folder of each pc to the other
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10:18<kar>but i do not have these 2 pcs always switched on
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10:18<kar>when i try to mount with fstab and the second pc is off, boot gets tooo long
10:18<petern>i'd only use nfs on a dedicated fileserver
10:19<kar>what fs should i use?
10:19<ml|>i would use ssh rsync scp
10:20<ml|>or ftp
10:20<kar>thanks ml|, i will check it
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10:23<bja>kar: i would add the noauto on the line at fstab
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10:27<mazoni>hey guys, iam trying to create my first debian custom cd installer, but iam getting some trouble with simple-cdd anyone have a functional example to show me?
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10:27<kar>bja: yes, i tried it and it worked fine, i just wondered if it could have a timeout of e.g. 3 seconds, to check if pc2 is on to mount it, or off to just print a warning
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10:29<robin>can anyone help how come i install e linux os my linux os desktop only at the center of the screen and not full scree anyone tanks
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10:30<antonio>I need help to install cisco vpn on debian
10:30<bja>kar: take a look at man nfs i believe that there is an option similiar to what you are looking for
10:31<robin>can anyone help how come i install e linux os my linux os desktop only at the center of the screen and not full scree anyone tanks
10:31<dr|z3d>robin: Please don't repeat yourself.
10:31<dr|z3d>robin: And can you explain differently what you're trying to achieve?
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10:31<locklace>!spank robin
10:31*dpkg bends robin over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
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10:32<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
10:32<kar>thanks bja: i checked it, no option for this. peter n was right i suppose, nfs only on a dedicated fileserver. although it is so easy and i think i would keep it like this (with noauto)
10:32<antonio>I need help to install cisco vpn on debian?
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10:34<Deaimel>Hi, i got some problems using 2.6.30 and wine
10:34<Deaimel>sound problems exactly
10:34<antonio>I have sound problems
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10:35<bja>kar: Good luck
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10:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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10:39<antonio>anyone has information about red hat ?
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10:40<valdyn>antonio: this channel does not
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11:00<afeki>hi all
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11:15<p1n0>how to solve the "error 2" of grub? :-(
11:16<dr|z3d>p1n0: Give supergrub a go.
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11:16<dr|z3d>Google for supergrub +boot +disc
11:17<bcampbell>is there a good resource for a new HCL? want to see what on a toshiba laptop maynot work after install
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11:19<p1n0>thanks dr|z3d :-)
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12:07<locklace>dpkg: revolution!
12:07<dpkg>eliminate fsck power of brutal event!
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12:16<ebzzry>I'm curious, are there advantages of building the kernel the Debian way?
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12:17<dkr>automatic entries in grub?
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12:19<ebzzry>and a .deb file?
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12:20<Pryon>indeed. Makes it much easier to back out
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12:21<ebzzry>Is it OK to build a kernel in Debian, the traditional way?
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12:25<cahoot>nothing gained
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12:27<ebzzry>cahoot: If a kernel is built the traditional way (no convenient .deb packages, no grub auto entries), will it clobber anything?
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12:29<the-dude>ebzzry: yes easy distribution
12:29<ebzzry>cahoot: OK
12:29<ebzzry>the-dude: OK
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12:35<the-dude>ebzzry: why do you want 2 recompile anyway?
12:35<ebzzry>the-dude: To test. I've never done it on Debian systems.
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12:38<the-dude>ok its not that hard :)
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12:38<ebzzry>the-dude: Thanks.
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12:41<ebzzry>What should I answer to the questions of make-kpkg, are the defaults sane?
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12:42<noflash>ebzzry, man make-kpkg
12:42<the-dude>ebzzry: and
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12:46<x3m>!search debian | grep lenny > lenny
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12:47<helmut>enouf, bremner, dr|z3d: one of the tools i was looking for earlier today is named apt-src.
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12:48<helmut>enouf, bremner, dr|z3d: with a bit of tweaking it can be told to use pbuilder to build packages. it "upgrades" patches to newer source packages (at least in theory). :-)
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12:49<ebzzry>Thanks for the help guys.
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12:50<zr|d3d>helmut: Great. Sounds like you're 1/2 way to happiness!
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12:51<helmut>zr|d3d: well it is a quite a workaround: instead of fixing the software at upstream, I fix it locally on every machine. %-)
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12:52<dr|z3d>helmut: You might want to set up a local apt cache.. at least you can then fix it once, and deploy it many times.
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12:53<helmut>dr|z3d: my machines are too different and the connectivity is too loose for that to be practical.
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12:53<dr|z3d>helmut: Hmmkay. Just a thought.
12:53<helmut>dr|z3d: and I cannot use sid packages on testing without introducing problems.
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13:00<Flo_>I have a problem with Debian lenny to configure some audio drivers, could you help me?
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13:02<dr|z3d>Flo_: What problems are you having? Can you be more specific?
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13:04<Flo_>I have an usb headset and I already have changed a line in the config file, but when I want to increase the sound with the button located on my headset, the sound goes up but its not symetric
13:04<dantti>hi, i have debmirror working with "--arch=amd64,i386 --section=main,contrib,non-free,main/debian-installer,main/installer-i386", but xen-create can't use it http://mirror.tpd/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/xen/vmlinuz, is not found, what section i am missing?
13:04<dr|z3d>Flo_: Is it mapped to the master volume?
13:05<dr|z3d>And when you say symmetric, you mean one side increases/decreases more than the other?
13:05<Flo_>I dont think so I didnt find a topic on this subject in french and im not good enough to find it in an english forum
13:05<Flo_>thats what I have
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13:06<Flo_>so i have to go in the console and manage it with alsa mixer, its not handy
13:06<dr|z3d>Hmm. I'd dig into your alsa conf and ensure you've got the right mapping. I can't be more specific than that, perhaps someone else might be able to offer more help.
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13:09<Flo_>I backed up the basic config
13:10<Flo_>now I hear nothing in the headset lol
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13:10<dr|z3d>Sounds like progress! Kind of ;)
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13:10<chahibi>Hi stuckey
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13:11<dr|z3d>Flo_: Keep fiddling with the conf.. sounds like you'll get there in the end.
13:11<stuckey>I'd like to try an updated version of mesa; can I just install the packages with dpkg out of experimental or how should I do this?
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13:12<sylar>what is --podir ?
13:12<cahoot>you shouldn't
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13:13<gsimmons>dantti: debmirror doesn't mirror installer-*, see Debian bug #451120 for the wishlist bug. The workaround is to rsync these specific areas after the debmirror run.
13:13<stuckey>I shouldn't?
13:13<dantti>gsimmons: oh.. i see :D thanks..
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13:17<loudergood>stuckey: what are you running now?
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13:18<stuckey>loudergood: stable, which is 7.4.4
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13:25<Wire>maybe here's anybody who can help me
13:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:25<Wire>I have a problem with apache2;
13:25<Wire>I'm running Debian version lenny.
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13:26<Wire>When I try to (do) use my apache I get the following output "Not Found
13:26<Wire>The requested URL / was not found on this server.
13:27<Wire>well, i had vhosts for 2 weeks and now i turned them off
13:27<Wire>I think that my rootdirectory of the apache2 is corrupted
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13:29<Wire>any volunteers? :D
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13:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:32<Wire>i've answered all the questions :)
13:32<dr|z3d>Wire: In your case, #apache on freenode is a better bet.
13:32<dkr>Wire: what does the apache error log say?
13:32<Wire>just a second please
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13:32<dkr>Wire: perhaps the file you requests really isn't there, hence the not found error
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13:33<dkr>or perhaps the file is not readable by the user apache runs as
13:33<Wire>no, i've used the directorys from /var/www/
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13:34<Wire>there are the 5 last lines
13:34<Wire>i can't understand why the apache2 wants to get access to /htdocs
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13:34<Wire>maybe the rootdirectory of it is corrupted
13:35<dr|z3d>htdocs is the default location for serving.
13:35<Wire>and where can i turn it to /var/www?
13:35<dr|z3d>In the apache conf.
13:35<Wire>no, i can't find the line
13:35<dr|z3d>Look for document root.
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13:36<Wire>ServerRoot i can see
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13:36<Wire>but this is not the directory
13:36<dr|z3d>Sure, that's the one.
13:36<Wire>it is turned to /etc/apache2
13:36<Wire>when i change it to /var/www it don't shows any reaction
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13:37<dr|z3d>Actually. No.
13:37<dr|z3d>What I said first. DocumentRoot
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13:38<Wire>DocumentRoot isn't in apache2.conf
13:38<dr|z3d>Leave ServerRoot alone.
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13:38<Wire>i've typed it in the search of mc
13:38<dr|z3d>Then locate wherever it is. httpd.conf
13:38<dr|z3d>Or whatever.
13:38<dr|z3d>grep is your friend.
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13:39<Wire>no, there isn't a variable like documentroot only in the sites-available
13:39<Wire>but this is for vhosts
13:39<Wire>i don't want any vhosts
13:39<dr|z3d>Find the _correct_ conf file. grep is your friend. DocumentRoot is your search query.
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13:41<Wire>sorry, i can not find it :(
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13:42*dr|z3d shrugs.
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13:42<dr|z3d>#apache on freenode.
13:42<dr|z3d>And/or read some docs.
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13:43<Wire>in #apache on freenode i can't send ^^
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13:43<bja>Wire: Take a look at the apache site, where the documentation is on your native language, things sometimes get screwd on the translation
13:43<bja>If not done properly
13:44<Wire>yes, my english isn't very good
13:44<Wire>my russian and german are much better ^
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13:45<Wire>thanks for your help guys
13:45<Wire>see you later :)
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13:48<dkr>tchuss and dasvedanya
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13:58<Smaffler>Hi :) What's the KDE help channel?
13:59<epsas>#kde probably
13:59<dkr>!tell Smaffler about kde
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13:59<dr|z3d>Likely on freenode, Smaffler
13:59<dr|z3d>Google will tell you.
14:00<dkr>dpkg knows better than google
14:00<dpkg>wish i knew, dkr
14:00<Smaffler>just thought i'd check to see if anyone here knew since it was someone here who told me last time
14:00<dkr>Smaffler: uhm, read the message dpkg sent you
14:00<Smaffler>yes, was doing that. thanks. :)
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14:01<dkr>I guess I should have had him say the factoid in channel to avoid all the dupe answers. ;)
14:02<Smaffler>:D it's #debian-kde on I'm there now. thanks again, bye :)
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14:06<sanchith>Lenny on Thinkpad X200. Network manager defaults to DNS server
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14:07<DSiFreak>hi. how can i disable directory locking in debmirror
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14:17<kaveh>hi all
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14:19<kaveh>how can i fix my nvidida problem, after update debian X wont come up
14:20<ml|>kaveh: did you follow the wiki?
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14:20<kaveh>m1| which one?
14:20<ml|>dpkg: tell kaveh about nvidia
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14:22<ml|>kaveh: if you used the debian wiki for nvidia read this ...
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14:23<ml|>dpkg: tell kaveh about nvidia prebuilt
14:23<mini_ger>hello, can you say me what a number i must write to local_unmask in the vsftpd.conf to become ugo=rwx to uploaded files?
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14:23<kaveh>ml, how can i set mouse in terminal
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14:24<ml|>dpkg: tell kaveh about gpm
14:26<kaveh>thanks ml|
14:27<bja>!beer ,
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14:27<bja>ok you got it :9
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14:28<ml|>no , did ;)
14:28<mini_ger>sorry, but have anybody a idea?
14:29<dr|z3d>!any idea
14:29<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 three-legged dairy cows. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes!
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14:32<bja>mini_ger: not many combinations, try extrapolating chmod numbers
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14:32<mini_ger>thats the problem
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14:33<mini_ger>i've try the follow
14:33<mini_ger>Ftp --- --- -w-
14:33<mini_ger>Lokal r
14:33<mini_ger>wx rw- r--
14:33<mini_ger>ftp rw- r-- r--
14:33<mini_ger>lokal --- -w- -w-
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14:33<mini_ger>lokal with chmod and ftp with the vsftpd
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14:34<mini_ger> i dont understand that?!
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14:35<ml|>mini_ger: try #vsftpd on
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14:41<Stathol>Hm. So it turns out that BIND works a lot better when the zone files are readable by bind ><
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14:42<locklace>!lart bind
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14:42<Stathol>Setting root's umask to 0077 seemed like a good idea at the time :P
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14:47<mini_ger>when i set it to 0077 an uplaod a file then have the file -rw-------
14:47<Stathol>The sad thing is that I do this _every single time_ at home with my [username]_html directory, too.
14:47<Stathol>You'd think I'd eventually learn to check permissions on files I create when I intend for others to read them
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14:49<Stathol>mini_ger: Yeah, that's basically the point. Setting umask to 0077 means that new files you create will deny all permissions to "group" and "other"
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14:49<Stathol>mini_ger: It's just the paranoid way of doing things.
14:49<Stathol>Honestly I'm not really sure why I care about group, since in generally everything I create is owned by [user]:[user] anyway
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14:52<mini_ger>:D it works
14:53<locklace>i want to know who came up with the idea of "usergroups" so i can throttle them
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14:53<mini_ger>and the x cant ba activated?
14:54<kaveh>Uh oh. Your card is only supported by versions ulterior to 173, which were only
14:54<kaveh>packaged in unstable.
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14:54<mini_ger>or is it in this case never mind?
14:55<Stathol>mini_ger: You can always set it with chmod if you need something to be executable. But most of the time files aren't created with the execute bit set
14:55<mini_ger>ok thanks a lot
14:55<Stathol>So even with umask 0000, if you create a file with vi (or whatever) it won't be executable anyway
14:56<Stathol>Which is occasionally a pain, but it does help prevent you from accidentally executing things as root :P
14:57<Stathol>Ok...this is spooky.
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14:58<Stathol>When I run "dig @plato <whatever>", it responds to the query
14:58<Stathol>But it'sthe damnedest thing, because plato isn't running BIND or any other DNS server...
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14:59<Stathol>And when I run "netstat -aut | grep 53", nothing appears to be listening on port 53 :S
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15:00<Stathol>I don't understand how this is possible
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15:01<derek>is there a way to check if my computer is recognising my video card?
15:01<derek>and using it?
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15:10<ilf>my turns black (power safe mode?) after ~10 minutes. how can i disable that?
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15:11<Stathol>ilf: If I had to guess, it's probably in your xscreensaver settings somewhere.
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15:13<ml|>ilf: did you turn on or check that your desktop environment's screensaver is off
15:13<lynko>ilf: or you may have dpms which is activated
15:13<Stathol>Disabling DPMS for your display might also prevent that from happening
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15:14<ilf>lynko: googled that, trying, thanks
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15:16<ml|>hah he left, but this works ....
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15:21<Stathol>Yeah, I was going to recommend futzing with his xorg.conf, but then I'm not really sure how debian handles that.
15:21<kaveh>some on plz tell me witch package i need to install for kernel 2.6.26-2-686 and nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M G]?
15:22<kaveh>i cant get my X to load after upgrade
15:22<ml|>then bind a key to turn off 'xset dpms force off'
15:23<kaveh>ml|: i tried my best
15:24<kaveh>could not get the module
15:24<lynko>kaveh: you probably need the kernel module corresponding to your kernel (nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686) if you're using the propietary driver
15:24<kaveh>lynko: then in xorg.conf i put driver nvidia?
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15:25<kaveh> nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686: Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20050829) but it is not installable
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15:25<kaveh>lynko: ^^
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15:26<lynko>well, if you use the proprietary driver you have Driver "nvidia" in your xorg.conf
15:26<ml|>kaveh: did you follow thw wiki
15:26<kaveh>ml|: yeah and i get errors did not go well
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15:27<kaveh>ml|: give the link again plz
15:27<kaveh>i show you the error
15:27<kaveh>it is very hard to read in lynx/links2
15:27<ml|>dpkg: tell kaveh about nvidia
15:27<lynko>kaveh: nvidia-kernel-common 20080825+1 is in lenny, testing and unstable
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15:28<ml|>kaveh: take your time and follow the wiki
15:28<ml|>judd: versions nvidia-kernel-common 20080825+1
15:28<judd>ml|: nvidia-kernel-common -- etch/contrib: 20051028+1 lenny/contrib: 20080825+1 sid/contrib: 20080825+1 squeeze/contrib: 20080825+1
15:28<elRuc>kaveh, install gpm, then you can use yout mouse to navigate in elinks
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15:29<ml|>kaveh: did you install gpm yet
15:30<elRuc>also you could change your console resolution
15:30<ml|>kaveh: wasn't it working before you updated?
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15:31<ml|>< kaveh> how can i fix my nvidida problem, after update debian X wont come up
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15:32<kaveh>ml|: thanks now it is going better
15:32<ml|>you only need to do that not the whole if you had working before
15:32<craigevil>if your using the Nvidia driver and your kernel or xorg has been updated you have to reinstall the driver
15:33<enouf>kaveh: try adding vga=791 to your kernel line in grub, that way, reading browsers in console would be much easier and nicer ;-)
15:33<enouf>kaveh: links2 -g (GUI) does work in console ;-) /msg dpkg links2
15:33<elRuc>i would use elinks.
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15:35<kaveh>enouf: thanks alot
15:36<kaveh>module isntalled i reboot
15:36<enouf>kaveh: np .. btw, vga=791 is a standard 1024x768x16bit that should work on most boxen
15:36<kaveh>brb thanks alot guys
15:36<kaveh>hope fully it works
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15:36<ml|>or vga=792
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15:37<enouf>ml|: you need 24bit in console? O_o
15:37<ml|>can't hurt ;)
15:37<enouf>older cards would choke on that - you fix 'em ;-)
15:37<elRuc>in some cases doesn't work =P
15:38<locklace>ml| is the ricemaster. his system must define the very meaning of "pimpin'"
15:38<enouf>go with the least common denominator!
15:38<ml|>works fine with 8 year laptop :)
15:38<ml|>locklace: hah
15:38<enouf>ml|: not my 10 yr desktop :-p
15:38<elRuc>neither mine. xD
15:38<lynko>and it seems to me that 24bit is a bit slower
15:39<enouf>indeed .. pushing the bounds of vesafb is a big no no :-P
15:39<enouf>(unless you're always in console only)
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15:40<bartm>how do I modify the passphrase of my encrypted disk ?
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15:41<bartm>or is that not possible?
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15:44<enouf>bartm: maybe cryptsetup?
15:44<enouf>bartm: or something LUKs? aes?
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15:45<bartm>enouf: i see that package cryptsetup is installed - I simply selected "encrypted disk" in the installer
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15:47<kaveh>it did not work
15:47<kaveh>nvidia-kernel-common i can not install it
15:48<enouf>bartm: note the man pages and various docs mentioned
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15:48<lynko>kaveh: what does say apt/aptitude whem you try to install it ?
15:48<bartm>enouf: yes found them
15:49<kaveh>lynko: E: Package nvidia-kernel-common has no installation candidate
15:50<elRuc>kaveh, never installed nvidia driver, but i think it is nvidia-kernel-{VERSION
15:50<ml|>kaveh: what does sources.list say
15:50<elRuc>kaveh, never installed nvidia driver, but i think it is nvidia-kernel-{VERSION}-src
15:50<bartm>kaveh: do you have "contrib" in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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15:50<kaveh>just a sec
15:50<ml|>dpkg: tell kaveh abot pastebin
15:51<kaveh>i do
15:51<kaveh>ml|: i am installing pastebinit
15:51<bartm>kaveh: apt-get update
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15:52<kaveh>bartm: i just did update
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15:53<kaveh>ml|: u see it?
15:53<craigevil>kaveh: add contrib non-free to deb lenny main
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15:54<kaveh>craigevil: at the end?
15:54<craigevil>yes so it looks like deb lenny main contrib non-free
15:55<ml|>aptitude update and try again
15:55<bartm>ml|: kaveh just did apt-get update
15:55<ml|>bartm: needs to do it again
15:56<bartm>ml|: yes of course, must do it again
15:56<kaveh>ok i am doing update thanks alot
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15:57<kaveh>thanks although it had some warning but it worked
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15:58<lynko>kaveh: some warning ?
15:58<kaveh>lynko: for update
15:59<kaveh>lynko: now it is done i set driver "nvidia" on xorg.conf
15:59<kaveh>should i re-start?
15:59<lynko>just modprobe nvidia
15:59<lynko>and restart X
16:00<Stathol>^ CTRL+SHIFT+backspace (I think)
16:00<bartm>/etc/init.d/gdm restart
16:00<kaveh>lynko: how can i set startx to start gnome
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16:01<lynko>kaveh: just do what bartm said, it's simpler
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16:01<Stathol>bartm: I'm using xfce, you insensitive bastard! :P
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16:01<Stathol>Actually...I think it uses gdm anyway :P
16:01<bartm>Stathol: yeeeey let's have a desktop-war :)
16:01<locklace>!hug Stathol
16:01*dpkg wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around Stathol
16:01<Stathol>Those are always fun.
16:02<locklace>!start a desktop war
16:02<dpkg>KDE is better than GNOME, period.
16:02<kaveh>i had kdm i did but nthing comes up
16:02<bartm>locklace: who made dpkg take side ? you ? :p
16:02<Stathol>!hug dpkg
16:02*dpkg wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around dpkg
16:02<Stathol>!lart dpkg
16:02*dpkg pours hot grits down the front of stathol's pants
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16:03<Stathol>You know I had to try.
16:03<bartm>kaveh: did you try "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" ?
16:03<kaveh> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) ± ³ (EE) No drivers available.
16:03<bartm>kaveh: modprobe nvidia
16:03<kaveh>bartm: i did
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16:04<lynko>kaveh: do you have nvidia-glx intsalled ? and could you pastebin your xorg.conf ?
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16:05<bartm>kaveh: apt-get install nvidia-glx
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16:05<bartm>kaveh: and then again: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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16:06<bja>kaveh: nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-`uname-r` are needed
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16:06<ml|>kaveh: did you follow the wiki correctly? maybe you missed something
16:06<bartm>or buy other hardware :)
16:07<elRuc>i think his problem is that the kernel didn't upgrade becouse he didn't remove the driver prior of upgrading.
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16:07<elRuc>the release notes warns about this.
16:07<lynko>elRuc: in this case modprobe would throw an error no ?
16:07<ml|>elRuc: no need if he had followed the wiki before, but if he used driver
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16:08<ml|>i have done this for new kernel with no problems
16:08<ml|>several times
16:08<elRuc>ok, just trying to help.
16:08<kaveh>ml|: i see nvidia logo
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16:08<kaveh>but it shut off aFTER
16:09<bartm>kaveh: the logo is good
16:09<ml|>kaveh: you need to edit xorg.conf ....
16:09<kaveh>ml|: i tried X -configure
16:09<bartm>kaveh: edit xorg.conf to add <<Driver "nvidia">> in section Device
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16:10<bartm>kaveh: withtout the << and >> :)
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16:10<ml|>kaveh: try this ...
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16:18<jcole>ok, im debating with someone right.. he sent me this ->
16:18<jcole>"According to Open-source evangelist Jeremy Allison, other vendors which used Linux and FAT32 were not sued by Microsoft because of secret cross-licensing agreements, covered by NDAs,[11] whereas such secret clauses are forbidden by the GPL license.[12]"
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16:18<jcole>he claims debian has an NDA with ms for vfat
16:18<dantti>someone knows if xen-tools are broken with lenny? i'm trying to install a guest here, but while booting it always hangs on rsyslogd and there are lots of file system read only errors..
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16:19<kaveh>hi again
16:19<kaveh>ml|: i did that
16:19<kaveh>i get this
16:19<kaveh>ERROR: The control display is undefined; please run `nvidia-settings --help` for usage information.
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16:19<tofix>Hello all , could someone tell me the good way to install a boot from SAN server? By the way i understand it , i have to first install the system with simple path and then modify the initrd to support dm_multipath and then care about the daemon ?
16:20<ml|>kaveh: su -c nvidia-settings
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16:20<ml|>^ that gave you that error
16:21<kaveh>ml|: yes
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16:21<dantti>kaveh: that's because you can't connect to the X server afaik
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16:22<ml|>kaveh: yeah did you start X
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16:22<dantti>ml|: well don't you think he needs something like 'sux'
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16:23<kaveh>ml|: yes kdm
16:23<ml|>dantti: what?
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16:23<kaveh>ml|: startx shows X and mouse but when i kill it i see (EE) NVIDIA(1): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device!
16:23<dantti>kaveh: install sux, and do sux then nvidia-settings.
16:24<ml|>dantti: no need the above works
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16:24<dantti>ml|: well that does not work here, and in noone of my debian boxes
16:24<ml|>kaveh: so logged with kdn right?
16:25<ml|>dantti: ok, works fime here
16:25<kaveh>ml|: yes
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16:25<kaveh>dantti: ok
16:25<dantti>ml|: i bet you don't use kdm ;) rifht?
16:25<deniz>how do you create a directory using the terminal?
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16:25<deniz>lets say i want to create a directory called abc within /home/user
16:25<Torsten_W>deniz, man mkdir
16:25<ml|>dantti: no i don't wm only
16:26<dantti>ml|: yep, iirc kdm works differently from others dms
16:26<ml|>kaveh: so did X start at all?
16:26<deniz>Torsten_W, so i just cd then mkdir foldername?
16:26<Torsten_W>or mkdir /home/foo/foldername
16:27<Torsten_W>or mkdir -p /foo/bar/buzz
16:27<ml|>dantti: ok, i don't use kdm or gdm just startx
16:27<Torsten_W>read the manpage
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16:27<kaveh>ml|: i just saw the logo
16:27<ml|>and after?
16:27<kaveh>ml|: when i do startx i see the mouse and grapic
16:27<deniz>Torsten_W, what's foo?
16:28<Torsten_W>a placeholder
16:28<kaveh>ml|: then screen goes to terminal
16:28<ml|>and you typed that in su -c nvidia-settings
16:28<kaveh>ml|: no
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16:29<kaveh>ml|: su -c nvidia-settings give me error
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16:29<lynko>kaveh: you typed that in a terminal in X ?
16:29<ml|>kaveh: ok, sorry guess i'm not following
16:29<deniz>Torsten_W, what's a placeholder lol
16:30<ml|>you need to be in X for that to work
16:30<kaveh>lynko: no
16:30<kaveh>how can i install gnome
16:30<kaveh>i just have lxde i think
16:31<kaveh>how can i start gnome?
16:31<kaveh>i want to see if it works
16:31<ml|>kaveh: how did you startx lxde
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16:32<kaveh>ml|: i just did startx
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16:32<kaveh>i saw a mouse and some dashed screen
16:32<deniz>kaveh apt-get install gnome to install it or apt-get install gdm and to ruin it gdm as root
16:32<ml|>ok, in tty/console correct after login?
16:32<Stathol>Probably just need to "apt-get remove lxde" and then "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment"
16:32<bja>Thats X primary window :)
16:33<kaveh>ml|: yes
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16:33<ml|>kaveh: like bja said that is X
16:33<ml|>start a terminal and type that in
16:33<lynko>you'll probably want to create a .xinitrc file if you want to use startx...
16:34<kaveh>i am upgrading may be this was problem?
16:34<ml|>lynko: he was using startx before so i would guess he is using that
16:35<lynko>ml|: ok, i didn't know
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16:35<ml|>but at thi point he lost me
16:35<stroyan>deniz: A name like "foo", "bar", or "baz" is an obviously incorrect value that is used to hold the place where you put the correct string of your choice. It a /foo/bar/baz example it means "some path".
16:35<ml|>lynko: np
16:35<lynko>kaveh: i think there is a script startlxde ...
16:36<kaveh>lynko: when i start gdm i see nvidia logo many times it comes and it goes
16:37<ml|>kaveh: maybe explain what you have done thus far
16:37<craigevil>update-alternatives --config x-session-manager Then choose startlxde. The next time you run startx, LXDE will be started
16:37<ml|>arggg thought you said you use startx??
16:37<lynko>kaveh: it meens that your xserver is restarting
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16:37<ml|>kaveh: plz figure out what you are doing first
16:38<ml|>startx gdm kdm or whatever
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16:38<kaveh>ml|: echo "gnome">>~/.xsessionrc?
16:39<kaveh>then startx?
16:39<ml|>i'm i the only one not folowing??
16:39<ml|>kaveh: why??
16:39<kaveh>ml|: so far only startx works
16:40<kaveh>gdm and kdm does not working
16:40<lynko>ml|: i'm having difficulties to follow too
16:40<lynko>kaveh: why do you use gdm AND kdm ?
16:40<bja>kaveh: Try instead of startx /etc/init.d/gdm start it should bring X up and start running gnome
16:40<ml|>kaveh: are you using lxde, gnome, or kde????
16:41<ml|>lynko: atleast it's not only me ;)
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16:43<kaveh>bja: ok
16:43<kaveh>ml|: lxde and gnome
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16:43<adb>top | grep Xorg , says
16:44<ml|>ok, you just installed gnome right?
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16:45<kaveh>ml|: and lxde
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16:45<kaveh>bja: i see nvidia logo but it shots off and on and at the end goes back to terminal
16:46<adb>kaveh: top | grep Xorg , says
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16:47<kaveh>adb: nothing
16:47<adb>cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
16:47<locklace>!uuoc adb
16:47*dpkg hands adb the "unnecessary use of cat" award
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16:48<kaveh>adb , Driver "nvidia"
16:48<kaveh> Driver "nvidia"
16:49<adb>ok, change "nvidia" to "nv" and restart X
16:49<kaveh>adb: ml|
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16:51<ml|>locklace, loves giving that out ;)
16:51<kaveh> Fatal server error: ± ³ no screens found
16:52<kaveh>adb: i get that
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16:52<adb>kaveh: lspci -nn | grep VGA
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16:53<adb>kaveh: do you use two videos cards ?
16:53<kaveh>adb no
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16:53<lynko>kaveh: your xorg.conf is weird, back it up and try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
16:53<kaveh>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M
16:53<kaveh>G] [10de:0845] (rev a2)
16:53<adb>BusID "PCI:0:1:3" Identifier "Card1" BusID "PCI:2:0:0" "Card0"
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16:54<adb>kaveh: fix your xorg.conf ...
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16:55<kaveh>lynko: done
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16:55<kaveh>adb: remove device one?
16:55<lynko>then try to restart gdm or use startx...
16:56<adb>kaveh: fix which card is used by monitor
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16:57<adb>and then remove other from xorg.conf
16:57<lynko>adb: he just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg so he should have a good default xorg now...
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16:58<adb>lynko: seen ?
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16:58<adb> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is no longer used in lenny
16:58<lynko>yes he posted this 9 minutes ago and did the dpkg-reconfigure 4minutes ago
16:58<kaveh>adb: i get same thing
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17:00<ml|>kaveh: did you try this ... when i asked long time ago to configure X
17:00<kaveh>ml|: yes i gt
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17:00<kaveh>ERROR: The control display is undefined; please run `nvidia-settings --help` for usage information.
17:01<kaveh>after reboout "su -c nvidia-settings"
17:02<ml|>kaveh: did you do nvidia-xconfig as root before the reboot?
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17:02<kaveh>ml|: yes
17:02<kaveh>ml|: and i just posted the xorg.cong
17:02<lynko>kaveh: now your xorg.conf looks good
17:02<ml|>but the above needs to be done in X
17:03<lynko>kaveh what appens when you do startx or restart gdm now ?
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17:03<dancer>ls -la
17:03<ml|>yeah looks good now, but who knows at his point if it will work
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17:04<adb>kaveh: change for tests > HorizSync 30.0 - 60.0 ; VertRefresh 50.0 - 70.0
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17:05<adb>kaveh: or commment them out , will be enough
17:05<kaveh>lynko: startx brings mouse and dashed background , gdm just keep bring nvidia logo on/off
17:05<kaveh>adb: ok
17:06<lynko>kaveh: try to launch startlxde
17:06<estudiante>Hi, please, where can find come info about instaling debian in a sunfire v440?
17:07<kaveh>adb: same
17:07<adb>kaveh: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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17:08<dancer>i'm looking for help with an ldap problem, should i start here or look elsewhere?
17:08<ml|>dpkg: tell estudiante about install guide
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17:09<kaveh>adb: nothing only that regular line
17:09<adb>kaveh: change "nvidia" to "nv" and restart X
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17:11<kaveh>(nm-applet:6003): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
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17:11<kaveh>adb: we done this b4 , it says no screen found
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17:12<adb>kaveh: ok reboot whit "nv' driver ...
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17:12<kaveh>adb ok
17:13<adb>don't change nothing in xorg.conf
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17:13<bja>dpkg: tell dancer about ask
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17:15<dancer>bja: regarding ask, i've been kicked from channels before for not making sure i was in the right channel for a particular question
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17:16<bja>dancer: So here it is indeed different, just ask, if someone can help you, they will. :)
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17:18<kaveh>adb..... scren not found
17:18<dancer>anyway, load is debian 5, ldap utilities are installed and configured to use an MS AD server, auth.log shows ldap lookup fails due to invalid credentials, can find nothing in the windows logs to show a connection even happend.
17:18<adb>heh , with "nv' driver ?
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17:18<dancer>ldapsearch is able to return top level info, anything deeper requires authentication
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17:18<goodger>OK, I just accidentally rebooted from Windows with two webcams still plugged in, and (having removed them and rebooted) I now have sound back... but it is obscenely quiet. any suggestions?
17:19<kaveh>adb: yes
17:19<adb>kaveh: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:19<locklace>goodger: crank it up
17:20<kaveh>adb: (EE) No devices detected
17:20<goodger>I have cranked it as far as possible, and it is still quiet
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17:20<adb>what ?
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17:21<kaveh>adb: startx works with nvidia
17:21-!-m13rz [] has joined #debian
17:21<kaveh>adb: but not gdm
17:21<m13rz>Helo all. im back with problems
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17:21<dancer>i've confirmed that the user accounts are valid and active, given the connector account domain admin, confirmed i can log into the connector accounts on a windows box
17:21<locklace>m13rz: no thanks
17:22<savanny1976u>Hi everyone, can I disable compiz using keyboard???
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17:22<adb>kaveh: dpkg -i gdm | grep ii ,says
17:22<bja>dancer: does the ldap server can resolv the ad machine
17:22<m13rz>I am trying to setup my WiFi drivers but still having a hell of a time. the gnome network manager errors upon install
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17:23<adb>kaveh: err dpkg -l gdm | grep ii
17:23<dancer>able to ping by short and FQDN names, am using IP address in the config files
17:23<cartmandu07>i don't know if it's the right place to ask, but i would like someone to help me to cfg my network in fix ip
17:23<m13rz>dpkg tell cartmandu07 about enter
17:23<locklace>m13rz: forget gnome. does the kernel recognise the card? what kind of card? what version of debian? what does "cat /proc/net/wireless" return
17:23<bja>dancer: any difference in the clocks of both machines?
17:23<kaveh>adb: dpkg: error processing gdm (--install)
17:24<kaveh>oh ok\
17:24<adb>kaveh: dpkg -l gdm | grep ii
17:24<m13rz>lochtrace i have the most recent stabel version of lenny 5.0.2 i think it is
17:24<dancer>a second or 2, they use the same time server for syncs
17:24<m13rz>lenny i have a wua1340 usb wifi adapter and i dont know if the kernel recognises it
17:24<m13rz>locktrace i mean
17:25<bja>dancer: Do you have kerberos working on the ldap server?
17:25<kaveh>adb: ii gdm 2.20.9-1 GNOME Display Manager
17:25<locklace>!lose m13rz
17:25<dpkg>m13rz: You Lose.
17:25<m13rz>i know
17:25<adb>kaveh: run lenny ?
17:25<m13rz>i ned to get wifi setup
17:25<kaveh>adb: yes
17:25<m13rz>dpkg tell locktrace about enter
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17:26<dancer>bja: not that i'm aware of, nor do i know how to check... it is a a "standard" windows 2003 AD controller, sp2 applied, if that tells you
17:26<adb>kaveh: dpkg -l gnome | grep ii
17:26<ml|>wow 0_0
17:26<savanny1976u>Please, can someone tell me how to disable Compiz using keyboard??????
17:27<goodger>m13rz: it is taking you far too long to notice, so I think you should be told: there is no-one here called locktrace
17:27<m13rz>yeah i figured that after i looked hard
17:27<kaveh>adb: ii gnome 1:2.22.2~5 The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components
17:27<bja>dancer: ad is a combination of openldap + kerberos,
17:27<ml|>m13rz: a tip use tab completion
17:27<kaveh>adb: any luck?
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17:28<m13rz>ml|: what is that?
17:28<bja>dancer: your linux system might have a kerberos server running which also might be interfering with ad.
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17:28<ml|>you know
17:28<locklace>goodger: anyway, what version of debian? what kind of card? did it ever work? what sw and hw knobs have you tried to set the volume? what kind of speakers are you testing with
17:28<bja>dancer: you are navigating on a tricky road.
17:28<adb>kaveh: no ..
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17:28<savanny1976u>Thank you, it did work
17:28<Stathol>Every time someone mentions that, I think of: "Kerberos bites you. Kerberos bites you. You die."
17:28<kaveh>thanks guys
17:28<dancer>fresh install, didn't tell it to install kerberose, however, i don't know if it is there by default, how do i check?
17:28<kaveh>thanks every one
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17:29<kaveh>i see you guys later
17:29<m13rz>ml|, Could you give some possible help oin WiFi adapters. i read the wiki and its not insdtalling the gnome network manager
17:29<ml|>kaveh: finally working
17:29<kaveh>ml|: no
17:29<bja>kaveh: rest, this guys can put a lot of pressure on one's problem :)
17:29<goodger>locklace: it's squeeze, with an nvidia onboard card; it worked half an hour ago; I've turned up the volume to maximum on my headphones (previously 20%) and it's audible... this is also after turning the volume up to full on every GUI thing I could find
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17:30<ml|>kaveh: plz re-read wiki and try again with suggestion you where given here
17:30<kaveh>thanks all
17:30<kaveh>thank u ml|
17:30<kaveh>bye bye all
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17:30<locklace>goodger: any different with just 'speaker-test -t wav' outside of x?
17:30<goodger>locklace: it seems entirely ridiculous that logging in with webcams attached would cause the system to stop emitting audio, and even more ridiculous that it would be left permanently quietened thereafter
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17:30<bja>goodger: are your headphones fully connected?
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17:30<cartmandu07>hi everyone, can you tell me how to changes date with the console please, i can't with right click, it make 1999 automaticly -_-
17:30<locklace>goodger: that was the only thing that changed between working and nonworking?
17:30<ml|>adb: nice try helping kaveh
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17:31<goodger>locklace: yes; also, no difference at all
17:31<Stathol>dancer: I'm not sure what the package name is, but try "dpkg -l | grep ^ii.*kerberos"
17:31<goodger>bja: yes, already tried that
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17:31<Stathol>dancer: that should list any installed package with a name containing "kerberos"
17:32<locklace>goodger: can you try the speaker-test after rebooting in such a way that x never starts and no related processes like hal etc. run
17:32<dancer>ne line
17:32<dancer>ii libkrb53 1.6.dfsg.4~beta1-5lenny1 MIT Kerberos runtime libraries
17:32<adb>ml|: [23:17:28] <kaveh> adb: startx works with nvidia, [23:17:38] <kaveh> adb: but not gdm ?!?
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17:32<Stathol>Those are just libraries, from the looks of things.
17:32<goodger>locklace: difficult... how would one accomplish that?
17:33<ml|>adb: yeah i got confused with what he as trying saying after a while ;(
17:33<locklace>goodger: well, one way is to boot with init=/bin/bash and modprobe the sound modules manually (you might want to save a copy of the lsmod output beforehand for reference)
17:34<Stathol>dancer: Actually, try that again, only search for krb5 instead. It looks like debian's kerberos packages are all named krb5-<foo>
17:34<adb>ml|: next time will be better ..
17:35<dancer>Stathol: same line is the only one returned
17:35<ml|>adb: hope so :)
17:35<bja>dancer: There is a howto that guides you exactly the way you want, try googling it
17:35<locklace>goodger: at a guess, i suspect either a module or process causing trouble, or that something that ran earlier changed a non-obvious mixer setting. you should also go through all the alsamixer settings in detail and try muting/unmuting various channels
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17:36<locklace>goodger: (run alsamixer and hit f3,f4,f5 etc.)
17:36<goodger>locklace: alsamixer's master channel was set to 3, thanks~
17:37<locklace>goodger: does it work now?
17:37<goodger>yes, yes it does.
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17:37<locklace>!congratulate goodger
17:37<dpkg>Huzzah goodger, you did it!
17:37<ml|>!beer locklace
17:37*dpkg pulls out a fine Guinness for locklace
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17:37<ml|>!lart goodger
17:37*dpkg --purges goodger
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17:37<dancer>been googling for most of 2 days, and most of the howto's conflict on what is needed (if anything) on the windows side
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17:37<goodger>I'd also like to point out that what alsamixer displays is almost entirely unrelated to what gnome's sound preferences previously displayed
17:39<ml|>goodger: maybe use alsamixer from now on
17:39<Stathol>!seen stathol
17:39<dpkg>stathol is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen stathol'.
17:40<Stathol>!seen dpkg
17:40<dpkg>Stathol: i haven't seen 'dpkg'
17:40<ml|>dpkg: tell Stathol about selftell
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17:40<cartmandu07>hi all, can someone help me with my eth configuration plz ?
17:40<ml|>cartmandu07: ask
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17:41<cartmandu07>ok, so i installed debian with the cd 1 only, i plug the ethernet cable, i added in etc/network/interface the configuration i wanted with fix ip address, and i can't ping my other cpu
17:42<dancer>according to most of them, i have the linux side set up correctly, however, the windows domain is live production, so i'm (understandably i hope) hesitant to simply start installing packages on the domain controller
17:42<bja>dancer: Tried to contact a fried which is a Microsoft expert, he is on vacation, Can't help you on that part :(
17:44<ml|>cartmandu07: pastebin your interfaces settings
17:44<adb>cartmandu07: `can't ping my other cpu` ? are on same "cpu" network ?
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17:45<cartmandu07>adb yes, my two computers are plugged on a swich
17:46<cartmandu07>m1 auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address netmask gatewat
17:46<m13rz>Can I get some help?
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17:46<noflash>m13rz, if you have a debian question
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17:47<adb>cartmandu07: and IP for second PC ?
17:47<m13rz>I try and install my wua1340 WiFi adapter but i have no ideah what to do. I tried installing the gnome network manager to do it and it said that it is dependant on something else
17:47<adb>m13rz: lenny ?
17:47<m13rz>abd yes
17:47<m13rz>adb yes
17:47<cartmandu07>adb : ip mask gateway
17:48<noflash>!tell m13rz -about wua1340
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17:48<m13rz>i already foloowed those steps...
17:48<adb>cartmandu07: replug tboth cable may help
17:48<m13rz>DONT WORK
17:48<adb>!DONT WORK
17:48<ml|>cartmandu07: switch or router?
17:48<cartmandu07>adb : but 1 computer works good ..
17:49<cartmandu07>m1 : both computers are plugged on a switch, wich is plugged on a router
17:49<adb>we talking about ping , no ?
17:49<cartmandu07>adb: yep
17:49<cartmandu07>adb: if i can ping; i can connect internet ...
17:49<ml|>cartmandu07: why let your router manage that for you
17:50<cartmandu07>m1 : m1 too far
17:50<ml|>static dhcp
17:50<cartmandu07>m1: +/- 15 meters
17:50<cartmandu07>m1: i want static
17:50<m13rz>noflash, This does not help me. I followed ALL of these instructions numorous times
17:50<ml|>static dhcp does that
17:51<adb>cartmandu07: test dhcp too
17:51<ml|>and your router should support that
17:51<cartmandu07>m1 : i would like ton configure all my computers 1by1, because network always changing
17:51<ml|>cartmandu07: you can with static dhcp
17:51<cartmandu07>and without i can't ?
17:52<cartmandu07>i always connected 2 cpus on the same switch, same configuration, just os changerd
17:52<cartmandu07>and they both have the net
17:52<ml|>you can but why when router can do it for you set it once and forget it
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17:53<ml|>but do it how you like
17:53<m13rz>im litterally going inscane
17:53<m13rz>there two holes in my wall that have never been there before
17:53<cartmandu07>because my mother got a laptop , and my switch don't have wifi, so she can't connect the net
17:53<adb>cartmandu07: listen `connected 2 cpus` means `connected 2 pc` ?
17:53<cartmandu07>adb: cpu = computer = pc for me, sorry
17:54<adb>i have 4 cpu on my pc , haw i'll do this ?
17:54<m13rz>adb Can you give any tips or anything on this
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17:55<cartmandu07>adb: i got 4 processors on my computer too, sorry for the mistake, for me "connected 2 cpus' means i got 2 pc connected
17:55<cartmandu07>on the switch
17:56<ml|>cartmandu07: for your info i have wifi for one pc one on router and one on switch connected to router and router manages it for me, just for you info
17:56<cartmandu07>m1 : i tested that too, and it didn't work, i understood what you said, but i prefered configure manualy :/
17:56<m13rz>im about to give up on debian this is BS
17:57<cartmandu07>i'm pretty sure it's only a configuration problem, because if i log on windows xp, there is no problm
17:57<adb>m13rz: re ask later , if you mind
17:58<m13rz>adb kinda need internet sometime this year
17:58<ml|>m13rz: read the wiki on wifi etc...
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17:59<m13rz>ml| have, hundrids of times.... thats where i cant go any further, i try to install the damn gnome network manager and it says its dependant on some other bole shit. So.. thats a no go
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17:59<cartmandu07>if u put dhcp, ip goes, and i want her to be ..
17:59<ml|>m13rz: read it again
18:00<m13rz>Fuck debian
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18:00<m13rz>debian getting formatted
18:00<m13rz>thanx everyone for nothing
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18:00<dpkg>A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed!
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18:01<stuckey>judd versions flightgear
18:01<judd>stuckey: flightgear -- etch: 0.9.10-2 lenny: 1.0.0-3+b1 sid: 1.9.1-1
18:01<cartmandu07>m1: don't you have idead please ? :/
18:01<stuckey>Why does judd say 1.9, but apt-cache shows Version: 1.0.0-3+b2
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18:03<adb>FrenchPPl: use ML| +<Tab> for ml|
18:03<ml|>FrenchPPl: gtg sorry dude read what i said before
18:03<ml|>adb: l8r
18:03<Stathol>stuckey: 1.9.1-1 is sid. is lenny
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18:03<stroyan>French: It sounds like you have configured the linux systems to use but the router thinks the LAN is only That might lead to trouble.
18:03<stuckey>Stathol: I have sid, and apt tells me 1.0.0
18:03<bja>Someone told me that linux is very friendly, but it is indeed selective of its friendships :)
18:04<FrenchPPl>bja : LOL
18:04<Stathol>stuckey: Hm. Try "apt-cache update" maybe?
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18:04<Slurb>linux is very friendly after you get to know him...takes a couple of years usually
18:04<FrenchPPl>stroyan : /24 mean ?
18:04<adb>nerwork ...
18:04<stuckey>Stathol: invalid operation
18:05<stroyan>FrenchPPl: /24 means netmask, but easier to type.
18:05<FrenchPPl>stroyan ; ok thx
18:05<stuckey>aptitude also shows 1.0.0
18:05<adb>ah .. netmask
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18:06<Stathol>stuckey: Ah, I see what the issue is.
18:06<FrenchPPl># The loopback network interface
18:06<FrenchPPl>auto lo
18:06<FrenchPPl>iface lo inet loopback
18:06<FrenchPPl># The primary network interface
18:06<FrenchPPl>auto eth0
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18:06<Stathol>stuckey: The i386 package is 1.9.1-1, but all the others are still
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18:06<stuckey>So apt shows 1.0.0 therefore?
18:06<stuckey>Damn, soemone needs to get a newer on in for amd64
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18:07<Stathol>stuckey: It will if you're looking for the amd64 package
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18:07<stuckey>Stathol: who do I bug to get the 1.9 in for amd64?
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18:07<Stathol>Apparently judd is looking for it, too :P
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18:07<FrenchPPl>this is in my interface folder :# The primary network interface
18:07<FrenchPPl>iface eth0 inet static
18:07<Stathol>stuckey: Actually, there's probably a way to compile your own pretty easily
18:07<FrenchPPl>auto eth0
18:08<Stathol>stuckey: It looks like the deb source package is 1.9.0, so...
18:08<FrenchPPl>iface eth0 inet static
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18:08<adb>FrenchPPl: use
18:08<stuckey>Stathol: good idea
18:08<Stathol>stuckey: run "apt-get source flightgear"
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18:08<Stathol>And "apt-get build-dep flightgear"
18:08<stuckey>Stathol: you mean, apt-get -b source flightgear?
18:08<Stathol>Or that
18:08<Stathol>And then just build your own with dpkg-buildpackage
18:08<stuckey>-b builds the package for you
18:08<stroyan>FrenchPPl: Do the systems have entries in "cat /proc/net/arp" for eachother?
18:09<Stathol>stuckey: Well, I'll be damned. Didn't know that! :D
18:09<Stathol>I guess I'm used to doing it the hard way
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18:10<adb>dpkg: tell FrenchPPl about paste
18:10<FrenchPPl>thx :)
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18:11<FrenchPPl>stroyan : i'll tell you when the folder will open :)
18:12<adb>FrenchPPl: and 192.168.0.x/24 are not same network so they don't connect
18:12<FrenchPPl>adb: i told i used 192.168.0.x ??
18:12<adb>second pc use 192.168.0.x
18:13<adb>recheck it
18:13<FrenchPPl>second pc addresses : ip mask gateway dns
18:13<FrenchPPl>sorry if i did a mistake..
18:13<stroyan>FrenchPPl: The gateway address you gave earlier is not on the same subnet as the interface
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18:15<FrenchPPl>first pc : ip address on /etc/network/interfaces address mask gateway
18:16<FrenchPPl>i checked the console, and i don't see this.., i only see Link encap : ethernet HWaddr 00:0c .....
18:16<FrenchPPl>after it talks about ipv6
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18:22<m13rz>can someone help me now o please im pulling my hair out
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18:23<m13rz>no one here now?
18:24<SQlvpapir>m13rz: I have a scissor
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18:25<FrenchPPl>adb : thanks for your site; i'm watching about host.conf, and i don't understand his role
18:25<FrenchPPl>his job*
18:28<adb>me too ..
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18:28<FrenchPPl>adb: ubuntu ftw ? x)
18:30<Luffy1980>when I do an "apt-get dist-upgrade" I'd like to be able to give it an option to block every upgrade that would cause some other package to be deleted. So, every upgrade is good, every upgrade that causes installs is good too, but upgrades that cause some packages to be deleted are bad, is there any combination of options to achieve that? I usually solve by manually installing all the packages that would get installed and
18:30<FrenchPPl>adb: can't i install a network Administrator with an usb key ?
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18:37<derek>i just installed debian on my computer, how do i make my nvidia card work?
18:37<FrenchPPl>derek: you got to install your driver
18:38<dancer>does anyone have a link to an linux ldap client how-to that does *not* require changes to Windows Active Directory ?
18:38<FrenchPPl>derek: you first have to know what's your graphic card
18:38<derek>nvidia gforce 9600m gt
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18:39<FrenchPPl>apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
18:39<FrenchPPl>derek : apt-get install nvidia-xconfig
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18:40<craigevil>!tell derek about Nvidia
18:40<derek>does it have to be a sudo?
18:41<derek>guess so
18:41<derek>ok next queation
18:41<derek>how do i get my wireless to work/.
18:41<FrenchPPl>derek: same thing, you've got to download and install driver
18:41<FrenchPPl>derek: don't know for sudo
18:41<derek>more exactly
18:42<stroyan>Luffy1980: The apt-get --no-remove looks close to what you want. But it probably won't carry on with all possible updates after it discovers that a remove would have happened.
18:42<derek>yes for sudo, or su
18:42<dancer>abd: that one requires changes to the AD controller
18:42<craigevil>derek: search for your wireless card
18:42<derek>how do i find out what wireless card it is?
18:42<derek>is there any way to do that with debian?
18:42<derek>or do i have to find out by other means?
18:43<FrenchPPl>derek: google the brand and model of you computer
18:43<craigevil>derek: type lspci in a terminal
18:43<Luffy1980>stroyan: Yeah, I've seen that, but it just stops if there are deletes. I want the upgrades that cause deletes to be ignored and the rest to be upgraded and/or installed
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18:44<derek>craig: thanks
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18:45<derek>02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
18:45<derek>what do i do for that?
18:45<dpkg>hmm... iwlagn is the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>.
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18:46<adb>dancer: ADB me , google sure wil help . or ask in #ldap
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18:46<Luffy1980>stroyan: It's strange that there's no option to do this. To me it seems like a normal use-case
18:47<craigevil>derek: see
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18:48<dancer>have googled, found several forums that list this problem, but no resolution, several (conflicting) how-to guides, followed the ones i can, still fails
18:48<dancer>#ldap is empty at present
18:48<dancer>well, except for me
18:48<stroyan>Luffy1980: Perhaps a short script could do it. for p in $(sudo apt-get --dry-run install shoes | awk '/^Inst /{print $2}');do echo sudo apt-get install --no-remove $p;done
18:49<adb>dancer: on
18:49<dancer>thanks, will try there
18:49<derek>how do i know if i'm lenny or sqeeze?
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18:49<derek>or sid
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18:49<adb>cat /etc/debian_version
18:50<derek>abd: was that for me?
18:50<adb>derek: yes
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18:51<FrenchPPl>adb: for my debian problem, debian doesn't look like read 'interfaces'...
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18:52<derek>adb: it just told me the version number
18:52<Luffy1980>stroyan: well, yes, a script was the next option, but I thought there was some option I overlooked that could do the job. It seems I was wrong. Thanks for the help!
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18:54<FrenchPPl>Anyone know how to know (..) if a device is correctly installed ?
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18:55<craigevil>derek: 5.0.2 is Lenny/stable
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18:56<derek>how do i add a repository?
18:56<Slurb>FrenchPPl: lspci lsusb
18:57<adb>derek: why ?
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18:58<Slurb>derek: echo <repository apt line> > /etc/apt/sources.list
18:58<FrenchPPl>Slurb: and if i see the device i want, it's ok ?
18:58<derek>adb: because thats what "" tells me to do
18:58<Slurb>should be if the correct modules are loaded
18:58<FrenchPPl>Slurb : Ok thx
18:59<adb>derek: site tell you how to add too ...
18:59<derek>the command deb... will add it?
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19:00<stuckey>How do I keep my screen from blanking while watching a movie?
19:00<Slurb>the echo command will
19:00<craigevil>derek: edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root using whatever text editor you prefer
19:01<Slurb>stuckey: move the mouse every few seconds
19:01<FrenchPPl>adb : i resolved the problem by plugging my first cpu on my router, command dhclient, unplug, plug on my switch, and it's ok !
19:01<ludd>stuckey: turn off screen saver
19:01<stuckey>ludd: how
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19:01<FrenchPPl>So thanks everyone for your help, directly or not :)
19:01<Slurb>stuckey: i think theres a setting in mplayer or you can disable the screensaver
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19:02<craigevil>stuckey: some media players have an option to disable the screen saver while playing
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19:02<derek>if i open gedit, with sudo gedit
19:03<derek>will it open sudo with permission to change the file?
19:03<Slurb>sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:04<panv>please i need help.
19:04<panv>it is very hard to connect to my wireless network
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19:04<panv>i can only connect using RutilT
19:05<panv>then configuring the ip from the panel...
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19:05<panv>i know i am not making sens...
19:05<panv>but is there any good wireless network manager that enables ip configuration >?
19:05<panv>other than wifi-radar ?? coz wifi-radar is not working.
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19:24<derek>how do i run a command?
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19:26<derek>in gnome
19:27<derek>how do i run a command?
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19:27<adb>dpkg: tell derek about grounding
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19:30<Steven_M>hi all
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19:34<derek>i've got a problem trying to add network manager
19:34<derek>i did aptitude install network-manager-gnome
19:35<derek>but i cant find it in the "add to panel" selection
19:35<enouf>derek: i doubt it, but man update-menus ??
19:35<enouf>derek: or .. restart your gnome-session?
19:36<enouf>derek: or gconf2-tool ?
19:36<derek>how do i update menus?
19:37<derek>no its not there
19:37<derek>network monitor is there
19:37<derek>but no network manager
19:37<enouf>derek: actually, i think you;d need an entry in /usr/share/menu*/* or something pertaining to gnome - try /msg dpkg gnome --visit
19:38<derek>as a command?
19:38<enouf>i mean vist the network, URLs, channels
19:38<enouf>derek: /msg dpkg gnome (in your irc client)
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19:39<enouf>derek: i know there's been some recent conflicts between certain names of network-manager-* , network-gnome-* or whatever ... please see the debian BTS as well
19:40<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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19:49<Guest261>whats new
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20:03<Smaffler>Hi channel :)
20:04<Steven_M>This DSA says the safe version of samba related packages is 3.2.5-4lenny6 but my samba related packages have version 2:3.2.5-4lenny6, should I be worried?
20:05<Smaffler>I'm trying to get a usb stick set up to boot and install linux from. as per (section, I need to install syslinux and
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20:16<deniz>When I try to play a DVD in lenny with totem I get "The playback of this movie requires a DVD source plugin which is not installed." Does anybody know what I can do to get through this?
20:17<deniz>like what do I apt-get install exactly?
20:18<adb>Smaffler: aptitude install syslinux mtools ?
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20:18<adb>dpkg: tell deniz about dvd
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20:32<Slurb>a dollar for anyone else that knows the definition for "cheeriomagnetization"
20:33<Slurb>its the way the last 4 or five cheerios in the bowl cling together for survival
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20:35<Slurb>sorry i was eating cheerios
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20:46<dkr>is that a sniglet?
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20:52<Druide>anyone here for some help?
20:52<goodger_>nobody for the last 34 minutes or so
20:52<Druide>okay hope now
20:53<Druide>had a problem with the installer installing grub
20:53<Druide>booted with supergrub disk
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20:53<Druide>is it enough to install grup with grub-install /dev/i2o/hda1 ?
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20:53<Druide>new to linux :/
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20:56<simNIX>I dont get what the i2o is ...
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20:56<bash>hey guys
20:56<simNIX>but normaly you would have the installer do the grub install in case of pata disk the would be in /dev/hda
20:56<bash>Is there a way i can change pcmanfm to default file manager?
20:56<simNIX>Hiya bash
20:57<Druide>i2o is radi controller adaptec
20:57<Druide>but installer couldn't install grub or lilo
20:57<bash>Nautilus without tab support and no side bar is driving me nuts
20:57<simNIX>If new to Linux and no bootable system I recomend retry install
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20:57<simNIX>thats realy easyes and best way to learn
20:58<Druide>so i used super grub disk, booted, updated grub and typed grub-install /dev/i2o/hda1
20:58<simNIX>else start at
20:58<Druide>new to linux cause i use freebsd since years :)
20:58<Druide>new to grub and that stuff
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20:58<simNIX>I type normaly it's /dev/hda
20:58<simNIX>NOT hda1
20:58<bash>well it depends
20:58<bash>if your useing sata isn't it like Sda or something?
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20:58<simNIX>but for newnie ..
20:59<Druide>gotta try the reboot
20:59<simNIX>then /sda
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20:59<simNIX>but I see 12o
20:59<simNIX>whereever drive is seen (check with dmesg)
20:59<bash>do you guys know how to make pcmanfm default file manager?
20:59<simNIX>if you want to install grub on the starting point of hd omit the 1
21:00<adb>simNIX: Druide has quit
21:00<simNIX>how rude ;0)
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21:00<simNIX>tnx for pointing to that
21:00<bash>do you guys know how to make pcmanfm default file manager?
21:00<simNIX>only if you ask 10 times
21:00<simNIX>till then its a secret ;0)
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21:01<simNIX>or maybe if you ask more then once ...
21:01<bash>i asked more then once...
21:01<simNIX>so I said
21:01<simNIX>or maybe if you ask more then once ...
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21:02<simNIX>... in other words; sugest ask once, then ask for at least long time
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21:02<simNIX>else some may ignore
21:02<druid>grub is installed, starts... now i'm at the grub shell
21:02<simNIX>yuo are on which vm ?
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21:03<Guest271>how can i tell grub to boot debian?
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21:03<simNIX>didnt your debian install set that up ?
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21:04<simNIX>bash, what your wm ?
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21:04<Druide>simNIX: no, since that grub on stable somewhat had issues with the i2o controller
21:04<simNIX>then ill pastebin the steps
21:05<simNIX>windows manager; gnome/kde/xfce etc
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21:05<bash>Debian Sidf
21:05<simNIX>on sec bash
21:06<Druide>simNIX: can you by query? currently in the datacenter and only shell available
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21:08<simNIX>Druide, does this help -> ?
21:09<simNIX>Druide, I dont get yuor last question on can you quiry ? -> if I had something in a data center I would have console access but I dont yet know howto setup grub to be accesable through that - if that is what you wan't I recomend try #bash
21:09<simNIX>my bad
21:10<Druide>oh well just need the command to boot linux from grub :)
21:10<simNIX>with e you can modify lines then use i to boot
21:11<simNIX>or was it b ?
21:11<simNIX>normaly I press it without thinking
21:11<adb>e = edit
21:12<simNIX>and b i boot if im not mitaken
21:12<simNIX>is the b correct ?
21:13<adb>Druide: what's your boot loader
21:13<adb>b == boot
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21:14<Druide>i think i forgot to run update-grub
21:14<adb>raid , vlm ?
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21:15<Druide>raid and vlm adb
21:16<adb>separate /boot ?
21:16<Druide>im totally not into grub :) i'm at the grub screen now
21:16<Druide>no one partition everything
21:16<Druide>kinda basic standard install
21:16<adb>try install lilo
21:16<simNIX>bash I just gave gnome change default file manager - that gave so much hits that look usefull that I wonder did you already try a google ->
21:16<Druide>i need to boot first :)
21:16<Druide>how can i boot from grub?
21:17<Druide>i meant, which commands do i need
21:17<adb>use rescue mode in debian cd
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21:20<Druide>rescue couldn't find any partition
21:21<Druide>but i was on it before with super grub disc oO
21:21<adb> /dev/map/..
21:23<deniz>is there some sort of NETWORK LIMITER I can use to limit my terminal from apt-get installing something at a maximum of lets say 30 kb/s?
21:26<ml|>deniz: i think aptitude can do that man aptitude
21:26<deniz>ml|, can apt do that because I removed aptitude
21:26<Druide>adb now it works
21:26<deniz>im tired of having aptitude remove all my packages and i have to save my system constantly
21:26<Druide>used super grub disk to boot debian
21:26<ml|>deniz: you did what?
21:26<Druide>and then update-grub
21:27<Druide>now it works
21:27<Druide>thanks for your help :)
21:27<deniz>ml|, it just removes packages when I tell it to install another package
21:27<ml|>deniz: aptitude does that when needed
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21:28<ml|>never heard of someone removing aptitude 0_0
21:28<deniz>ml|, i find it does it all the time and apt never causes any issues for me, i remember aptitude having a parameter to not remove other stuff but i find it a little ridiculous to tell my system to not remove everything including my GUI eye of gnome etc each time i install an app
21:29<deniz>ml|, ya i removed it because sometimes i copy paste commands and mistake aptitude for apt-get cuz i look at it quickly and then ruin my comp
21:30<ml|>deniz: ok it is your system, but i'm sorry sounds like user error
21:32<deniz>ml|, ya but that's not the issue lol, i just wanna no if apt can limit internet connection or if there is another application that can limit the whole computer's internet usage so that my laptop can be used nicely while my other computer is upgrading because im tired of like internet speed in the bytes and max 2kb/s
21:33<ml|>deniz: dunno if apt-get can do that did you try man apt-get
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21:35<fnr>deniz: try iprelay
21:36<fnr>deniz: or trickle
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21:45<deniz>fnr, neither are gui?
21:46<fnr>deniz: neither is apt-get
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21:48<deniz>fnr, with trickle i can run lets say pidgin with 20download 10 upload in kb/s with trickle -u 10 -d 20 pidgin ???
21:48<deniz>thats amazing
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21:48<deniz>a very good discovery if it's what i think it is
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21:48<deniz>i just need to figure out how to apply this to the terminal
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21:53<deniz>ml|, lol there is no answer but ill try out ionice
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21:53<deniz>not in repos
21:54<ml|>deniz: yes there is look at it read ;)
21:54<ml|>but that is for aptitude, might work for apt-get, work a try
21:55<deniz>ml|, Apt(itude) should respect the following configuration setting
21:55<deniz>so i CAN use apt
21:55<ml|>read above ;)
21:55<ml|>good luck
21:56<adb>!why aptitude
21:56<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
21:57<adb>deniz: ^^
21:57<deniz>adb, yes but eog and gdm are not uneeded dependencies
21:57<ml|>adb: to late read up
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21:57<deniz>ml|, getting aptitude is a command away
21:57<twb>I have an ordinary script that runs on Debian. Can I use something like dpkg triggers to "queue" a command and then later trigger it?
21:58<craigevil>!why not aptitude
21:58<dpkg>Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source".
21:58<ml|>true, but you say it's no good
21:58<twb>For example, the script adds lots of entries to /etc/exports; I want to queue up an "exportfs -ra" for each one and then later only run "exportfs -ra" once.
21:58<ml|>craigevil: heh stuck to your old ways huh? ;)
21:59<craigevil>heck yeah 5 yrs of using apt-get no reason to change now :)
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22:00<ml|>i know change is hard ;)
22:00<twb>aptitude can do some nice things, though.
22:00<adb>twb: i know that /etc/exports "don't like" many entry aka folders , maybe i'm wrong
22:01<twb>For example, I recently had to say "list all installed, upgradable packages that will be upgraded from hardy-security, but not from hardy-updates"
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22:01<twb>That could have been done with a half-dozen pipes of grep and such, but instead it was a single aptitude command.
22:01<adb>twb: hardy-security ? ubuntu ?
22:02<twb>adb: yes, that was on an Ubuntu system
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22:02<adb>twb: go ask #ubuntu
22:03<m13rz>adb Can u help now?
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22:03<adb>m13rz: why me ?
22:03<ml|>adb is the best :)
22:03<m13rz>i been working on this shit for two days now and still nothing
22:04<twb>adb: I'm not askign a question, you buffoon. I'm giving an example of where aptitude's pattern matching was useful.
22:04<adb>m13rz: you blemed debian early ... so no tkx
22:04<adb> blamed*
22:04<m13rz>i didnt blame debian
22:04<m13rz>i blames the people in ehre
22:04<bja>m13rz: please calm down,
22:04<ml|>adb: m13rz reminds me of kaveh ;)
22:05<twb>m13rz: hooray! Have a cookie.
22:05<adb>ml|: ;)
22:05<twb>m13rz: killfiles are your friend.
22:05<m13rz>kinda figured this was a waste of my time again
22:05<ml|>m13rz: try ubuntu if following wiki is too hard
22:06<m13rz>dude i DID follow the wiki. The shit in there WONT INSTALLL@!@!@!!@@?@!
22:06<craigevil>m13rz: considering you havent actually explained your issues, although damn near everything is in
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22:06<m13rz>yeah damn near everything that DONT WORK
22:06<ml|>m13rz: ok, good luck
22:06<adb>twb: i got you me opinion , and now i'm `buffoon` ...
22:06<bja>m13rz: Calm down,
22:06<twb>!tell m13rz -about smart questions
22:07<bja>!tell m13rz about unix lessons
22:07<m13rz>dpkg sux ass
22:07<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, m13rz
22:07<craigevil>m13rz: ive ran debian for 5 yrs including on several laptops , desktops and a couple of netbooks the wiki covers pretty much everything you need to know
22:07<bja>m13rz: but the factoids are indeed usefull
22:07<streuner_>m13rz: is there anything you like?
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22:07<ml|>bja: sup, fixed that sound issue?
22:08<craigevil>and the few things it doesnt a simple google search should uncover
22:08<bja>ml|: major melt down :( new mobo on the way
22:08<twb>streuner_: squishing kitten skulls beneath my jackboots! Whee!
22:08<m13rz>the wiki gives me some gnome network manager to instll.... that shit errors when i go to install it/...
22:08<ml|>bja: ah sorry to be right ;(
22:08<twb>m13rz: that is not adequate information for us to help you isolate and fix the problem.
22:08<streuner_>m13rz: what driver, what hardware do you use?
22:09<bja>ml|: hey sometimes it happens, you made me stop running around in circles
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22:09<craigevil>m13rz: wireless? try wicd or wifi-radar rather than network-manager
22:09<m13rz>D-Link WUA 1340
22:09<deniz>ml|, adb,OMG!! look what i found:
22:09<deniz>my problem is now solved!!! :D
22:09<craigevil>same card a complete newb had in #debian on freenode he had no problems following the wiki
22:10<streuner_>m13rz: NM doesnt work always fine, there is interfaces too besides of wicd or wifi-rada
22:10<legnaleurc>Hi, all. I just upgrade ia32-apt-get from 18 to 20
22:10<ml|>deniz: good find no need to re-instal aptitude heh ;)
22:10<legnaleurc>And it breaks my sources.list state ...
22:11<craigevil>legnaleurc: on sid?
22:11<legnaleurc>now it is empty in Aptitude's view
22:11<m13rz>y am i even here, used my last CD's last night on this bs
22:11<m13rz>later gyes
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22:11<legnaleurc>craigevil: ya
22:11<ml|>legnaleurc: one other user was having problems with that
22:11<ml|>he purged it
22:12<legnaleurc>I had use aptitude.real, but no use
22:12<craigevil>thats probably the only way to fix it other than installing an older vresion
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22:12<legnaleurc>it just replace orig apt-* things
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22:13<legnaleurc>which is insane
22:14<adb>legnaleurc: remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d
22:14<craigevil>legnaleurc: take a look at
22:14<legnaleurc>but purge it will breaks wine ....
22:14<saltmiser>hey guys; I have an ibook g4 with what I believe is a dead hard drive in it; and I want to boot up a debian install disc; but it hangs at "[ 28.672...] hda: lost interrupt"; is there a kernel parameter I can use to have it not use hda at all?
22:15<twb>saltmiser: AFAIK, no.
22:15<twb>saltmiser: short of recompiling your kernel without support for PATA drives.
22:15<saltmiser>can't I do uh
22:15<legnaleurc>alright ... if this can save my apt
22:15<bremner>or pull the drive
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22:16<saltmiser>or pull the drive yeah that's next if I can't get it to it..
22:16<adb>legnaleurc: verify also /etc/apt/sources.list
22:16<twb>saltmiser: if your drive is dying, the FIRST thing you do should be to back it up
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22:16<saltmiser>twb; nothing worth backing up though so ;)
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22:17<twb>saltmiser: then just throw it away and buy a new one. Less hassle, and probably quadruples your capacity.
22:17<saltmiser>well that's what I'm doing haha
22:17<saltmiser>but I want to make sure the computer boots up before I blow money on a new drive and new ram
22:18<goodger>you can change the hard disk drives in apple computers now?
22:18<adb>saltmiser: it booted , no ?
22:18<legnaleurc>adb: it didn't touch orig sources.list ... which was only right thing it did.
22:18<saltmiser>adb; yes it booted..yeah i see your point mm
22:18<twb>goodger: apple hardware is just pc hardware, and has been since about 2002.
22:18<saltmiser>ok thanks :)
22:19<twb>goodger: prior to that, it was pc hardware except for the CPU, back to the 68k->ppc transition.
22:19<goodger>twb: yeah, but I wasn't aware it was even possible to access the disk drives in them. the imac G4 has one user-accessible RAM slot and nothing else
22:19<twb>goodger: ah, well, I dunno about that.
22:20<twb>goodger: I imagine there was/is a trick to getting the casing off, just like there is for a dell or a laptop. Apple just doesn't tell end users what it is, so you are expected to go read some damn fanboy website to learn how
22:20<twb>I remember the mac mini's unofficial servicing documentation started with "step 1: take your palette knife and..."
22:21<ml|>i'm sure you take out that hd
22:22<ml|>working on mac mini is a bit scary the first time but not that hard, just be careful :)
22:22<legnaleurc>... packages finally come back
22:22<legnaleurc>thx all
22:22<adb>legnaleurc: so now , apt-get update worked ?
22:22<ml|>!congratulate legnaleurc
22:22<dpkg>Nice one legnaleurc, you did it!
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22:23<adb>legnaleurc: anyways keep looking about your pkg on BTS
22:24<ml|>it is sid after all
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22:25<bja>!beer ml|
22:25*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Jever for ml|
22:25<ml|>bja: thanks :)
22:25<adb>ml|: heh ... sidux is in black hole for that ..
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22:25<ml|>adb: hehe
22:26<legnaleurc>yes, thx for all your help :)
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22:26<adb>ml|: they use ... /etc/apt/sources.list.d
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22:29<craigevil>sources.list.d works the same as sources.list with either aptitude or apt you just have to use list.d or sources.list
22:30<ml|>craigevil: for all releases?
22:30<craigevil>not sure about stable but it does for testing and sid, winehq's instructions for adding the wine repo for stable use sources.list.d
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22:36<PATPAT>I have a question
22:37<PATPAT>is it bad to use your root account for everyday use?
22:37<ml|>man sources.list explains it but works differently syntax wise
22:37<ml|>PATPAT: yes
22:38<PATPAT>Okay but why can't I do SUDO SU with different account?
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22:38<craigevil>sources.list.d is a bit easy to deal with if you have a lot of sources
22:38<twb>"sudo su" is wrong; you should be doing "sudo -i" or "sudo -H -s".
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22:38<ml|>or just su
22:38<adb>PATPAT: use ubuntu ?
22:38<PATPAT>yea im on ubuntu
22:38<legnaleurc>why "sudo su" is wrong?
22:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:38<twb>legnaleurc: because it does not create a login shell.
22:39<PATPAT>What am i doing here
22:39<adb>PATPAT: go ask # ubuntu
22:39<PATPAT>ok thx
22:39<twb>PATPAT: that's a question you should ask yourself, megatron.
22:39<legnaleurc>twb: thx
22:43<ml|>i personally like 'su -'
22:43<adb>me su`su
22:43<craigevil>su or sux
22:44<ml|>craigevil: sux is that an X thing?
22:44<fnr>sudo keeps the command in my user's history, not in root's
22:45<twb>To be honest I prefer ssh-add and sshing in directly as root, because otherwise I need to remember lots of passwords.
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22:45<craigevil>im lazy root and user have the same passwords
22:45<ml|>twb: yes ssh-agent $SHELL plus ssh-add rocks :)
22:45<fnr>craigevil: lol
22:46<ml|>craigevil: heh, nice security ;)
22:46<twb>ml|: actually I run ssh-agent outside my .screenrc
22:46<bremner>craigevil: both passwords are livegiarc, so no-one will ever guess
22:46<craigevil>meh i use made up elvish works with caps/lowercase and numbers
22:47<twb>craigevil: you mean Tengwar?
22:47<fnr>craigevil: please continue
22:47<bremner>as opposed to real elvish words
22:47<ml|>twb: i do to :) but in screen
22:49<dondelelcaro>twb: Tengwar is the script, Quenya is the language
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22:51<twb>dondelelcaro: sorry!
22:51<twb>dondelelcaro: I thought maybe I had it wrong, but I got distracted before I could check.
22:52<twb>I never studied Quenya because the Unicode consortium hasn't allocated an area for Tengwar yet.
22:52<fnr>twb: don't let the man keep you down
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23:23<MercinovA>Need help...winecfg is returning an error of not being able to create a window upon start...I've googled until my eyes are bleeding...can anyone shed some light on what I need to do?
23:23<twb>MercinovA: can xlogo create a window?
23:23<MercinovA>twb: I'm not familiar with xlogo...what is it?
23:24<twb>A program that tests if you can talk to the X server.
23:24<MercinovA>just need to run xlogo from terminal?
23:25<MercinovA>returned: Error: Can't open display...
23:25<twb>MercinovA: that's the problem.
23:25<twb>MercinovA: you are not authorized to connect to your X server, or have not set DISPLAY correctly.
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23:26<MercinovA>I'm using nVidia drivers for there a known problem with this...or, do I set DISPLAY correctly?
23:26<twb>MercinovA: normally any terminal emulator started from within X will have $DISPLAY set correctly.
23:27<MercinovA>I'm on Xserver Desktop now...display seems to be working fine...
23:27<MercinovA>do I need to alter the xorg.conf?
23:28<twb>I doubt it.
23:28<twb>When X starts up, what do you see? A login screen?
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23:28<twb>Do you know if it is GDM?
23:29<alan_>hi all, anyone got a idea if firefox-3.5 (or iceweasel-3.5) is available from anywhere?
23:29<MercinovA>hmm...newb here...I'm thinking KDM...
23:29<MercinovA>KDE 3.5
23:29<MercinovA>New Debian Lenny 5.0.1 KDE
23:29<twb>MercinovA: OK. Now once you have logged in, type Alt+F2 and a dialog will appear. Enter "xterm" and click "Run".
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23:30<MercinovA>do I need to re-log to perform the alt+F2/
23:31<twb>MercinovA: no, you should already be logged in and in a KDE session
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23:31<MercinovA>pressing Alt+F2 has no effect...
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23:34<adb>Alt+F2 works in gnome
23:34<MercinovA>does Alt+F2 just open a terminal?
23:34<adb>a dialog will appear
23:34<adb>reads up
23:34<MercinovA>I ran xterm from terminal and it opened another terminal...
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23:36<adb>MercinovA: whoami , says ?
23:36<MercinovA>what do I need to do to configure the $DISPLAY?
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23:39<MercinovA>whoami returns username...not logged in as root atm...
23:40<adb>wine , says ?
23:42<MercinovA>it's working now...not sure why...but its working...thnx for the help
23:42<MercinovA>I guess winecfg will not work in a "root" terminal...
23:43<adb>that's right
23:43<bremner>root does not always have permission to connect to the X server
23:43<MercinovA>like I said...I'm a newb...only been using linux for 3 weeks...
23:43<MercinovA>thnx much gang!! : )
23:43<adb>to much even , go back
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23:44<bash>there is no gstreamer in debian?
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23:44<Smaffler1>"syslinux /dev/sda1" returns "syslinux: only 512-byte sectors are supported" when I try to use it on my (fat16)usb stick. Do I need to use cfdisk on it?
23:45<adb>bash: yes
23:45<bash>y not?
23:45<adb>no i kidding
23:45<bash>i cant find it in add remove...
23:45<adb>apt-cache search gstreamer
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23:47<adb>Smaffler1: syslinux /dev/sda*
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23:47<Smaffler1>I don't understand. you want me to use the wildcard?
23:48<adb>not sda1 .. that's a partition ,
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23:48<bash>do you guys know how i can get vlc to play files in VLC instead of makeing a new window??
23:49<Smaffler1>well, that's better...i it just says "this doesn't look likea avalid filesystem"
23:49<adb>Smaffler1get it ? , don't hurt you to much
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23:49<nuscire>Hello, everyone. I have a problem with my sound card. I'm using debian testing. After a upgrade of alsa a few days ago, my sound was no longer avaiable, which worked fine before the upgrading. The 'snd_intel8x0' is loaded; mplayer complains that 'audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory'. It's a old AC97 PCI sound card. Any suggestions?
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23:50<adb>Smaffler1: usb stick ?
23:50<Smaffler1>konqueror right click reports "vfat" filesystem.
23:50<Smaffler1>adb: well perhaps not a standard thumbdrive. a mass-storage compatible 2gb mp3 player.
23:52<adb>Smaffler1: and what want to do with ?
23:52<gsimmons>bash: What version of VLC are you using?
23:52<adb>Smaffler1: usually is 16 bit FAT on it
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23:53<Smaffler1>adb: create bootable usb to install linux on another computer. Yes. fat16.
23:53<bash>0.9.9a Grishenko
23:53<Smaffler1>adb: windows and mac machines say fat 16, konqueror says vfat *shrug*
23:54<bash>gsimmons: 0.9.9a Grishenko
23:54<gsimmons>bash: Known issue, see and VLC ticket #2136. Resolved in the 1.0.0 release candidates.
23:54<adb>Smaffler1: reformat it ..
23:54<Smaffler1>I did.
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23:55<bash>gsimmons: do you know what the debian sid/unstable vlc repo is?
23:55<bash>gsimmons: if there isn't on do you know what the VLC repo is?
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23:56<twb>bash: is the VLC repo
23:56<adb>Smaffler1: yes , but wrong
23:56<bash>i found it.
23:57<Smaffler1>adb: tell me how to format properly
23:57<Smaffler1>adb: please
23:57<adb>Smaffler1: format in which fs type?
23:58<adb>and how many partitions
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23:59<Smaffler1>adb: fat16 should work, yes? 1 partition should be enough, yes?
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