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---Logopened Fri Jul 03 00:00:19 2009
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00:00<kop>What FOSS software is there that records data from weather instrumentation?
00:00<ml|>and get wifi working later
00:00<adb>zynon: nope
00:01<adb>kop: use !search
00:01<zynon>ml|: hmm, sounds good thus far, does the netinst image contain the base packages or would i still need to make sure laptop is plugged into router itself.
00:01<kop>adb: Did that, no joy.
00:01<kolin>-P profile Start with profile. Implies -a iceweasel--profile, or -a default if profile is default.
00:01<ml|>zynon: it will do a base install
00:01<kolin>What is the correct command...
00:01<ml|>very minimal
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00:02<kolin>iceweasel -a My other profile ? or iceweasel -P My ... ?
00:02<zynon>ml| ok, ill check it out here in a bit once i get the download finished and cd burned
00:02<adb>kop: apt-cache search record
00:02<ml|>zynon: you will still need net to get wifi working so just plug it in
00:03<zynon>ml|: yup, on top of that already :)
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00:03<kop>adb: Nope. Don't see anything. Are you looking at stable?
00:03<ml|>dpkg: tell zynon about what's my wireless
00:04<ml|>dpkg: tell zynon about wlan howto
00:04<kop>adb: BTW, I want software that will record data from an instrument, not just pick up something from some weather service somewhere.
00:04<ml|>dpkg: tell zynon about wpa
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00:14<zynon>ml|: normally you can just add a .iso to a disk and it will boot ?
00:14<kolin>The lauchers aren't working anymore.
00:14<ml|>zynon: no
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00:17<ml|>kolin: iceweasel -P default works here make sure you have the name right
00:17<kolin>It's -P or -a
00:17<adb>kop: apt-cache show muse
00:18<ml|>kolin: look above it's -P
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00:19<adb> P as in Profile
00:19<kolin>With -a it give me problems
00:20<ml|>heh i don't think anybody here said to use -a ;P
00:21<kolin>My bad english could confuse me reading the man pages.
00:23<deniz>ml|, i just wanted to say that the radeon driver works with nexuiz (3d game) just like that
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00:23<ml|>!congratulate deniz
00:23<dpkg>Yay deniz, you did it!
00:24<deniz>ml|, lol actually
00:24<deniz>it always worked
00:24<deniz>so dont congratulate me :(
00:24<ml|>!lose deniz
00:24<dpkg>deniz: You Lose.
00:24<deniz>ml|, do you know the command to checkif dri is functioning?
00:25<Hideo>glxinfo ?
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00:27<deniz>ml|, !!!!!!!!! it says direct rendering: yes, that was not the case before!
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00:27<luca_>buon giorno gente
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00:30<kop>adb: Well, thanks. But what does an audio sequencer have to do with weather instrumentation?
00:30<ml|>dpkg: tell zynon about check iso image
00:31<adb>kop: un mute `line-in` in alsamixer , plug in that `line-in` a cable from an instrument , listen or/and record that signal
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00:32<kop>adb: Maybe english is not your first language? A weather instrument senses and records the weather, like how much rain is falling.
00:33<ml|>deniz: so it working correctly now?
00:33<deniz>Hideo, if direct rendering is working, then that means that I have 3D functioning properly?
00:33<deniz>ml|, well half-life 2 episode one plays with no sound
00:33<deniz>with no video i mean
00:33<deniz>it has sound
00:33<Hideo>deniz: glxinfo | grep -i render
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00:34<Hideo>what does the renderer string say?
00:35<ml|>Hideo: direct rendering: Yes means it's working?
00:35<Hideo>yes, but it maybe software rendered
00:35<Hideo>that's why I'm asking for the renderer string
00:35<Hideo>to see whether it's using the actual hardware or not?
00:36<ml|>OpenGL renderer string: Quadro NVS 285/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
00:36<Hideo>ml|: yep
00:37<deniz>Hideo, direct rendering: Yes
00:37<deniz>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 TCL
00:37<Hideo>deniz: I'm not familiar with that, is that a card?
00:37<ml|>Hideo: so if it mentions hardware it's working correctly?
00:38<Hideo>ml|: it should, I think
00:38<deniz>my card is ati x600 pro so i dont think thats my hardware
00:38<deniz>Hideo, ^^
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00:39<ml|>ok learn something new, now to write it down or i will forget ;)
00:39<Hideo>deniz: then maybe you aren't using the right driver
00:39<ml|>Hideo: thanks
00:39<deniz>R300 sounds familiar
00:40<deniz>i think thats my chipset or sumtin?
00:40<Hideo>deniz: lspci -vnn
00:40<Hideo>ml|: :P
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00:43<Hideo>deniz: I think you are using the opensource driver
00:43<deniz>Hideo, i am
00:43<Hideo>deniz: but I'm not sure what the capabilities of the opensource ati driver are
00:43<deniz>Hideo, but 3d DOES work in nexuiz
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00:44<deniz>Hideo, wait ill check something 2 seconds
00:44<adb>deniz: seems a software render made by Mesa + TCL 20060815
00:45<zynon>ml|: it was a bad burn on laptop im currently loosing, or the disc image i had was faulty i see the boot screen now
00:46<ml|>!win zynon
00:46<dpkg>Congratulations, zynon! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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00:51<ml|>dpkg: tell zynon about install guide
00:51<deniz>adb, what does that mean in simpler terms?
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00:55<adb>is a software render
00:55<Hideo>in other words, not utilizing the maximum capabilities of your graphic card
00:56<ml|>deniz: you want hardware render
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00:56<Hideo>I'm not really sure and don't quote me on it, but I think for ati, you probably want the propriety driver
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00:57<deniz>Hideo, yes thats true for later cards but the way i see it, my card is old and well supported on open source
00:58<deniz>ml|, can you elaborate on that plz
00:59<deniz>im going to test to see if it's wine's fault
00:59<ml|>deniz: you want to use you all of gpu/videcard like Hideo said
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01:00<ry60003333>Is anyone available for help? :P
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01:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
01:02<ry60003333>Let me go get some specifics :P
01:02<adb>deniz: ` my card is old ` r600 /msg dpkg radeon
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01:03<adb>ry60003333: tried ramdisk_size=16384 ?
01:03<ry60003333>Same issue
01:03<adb>so your cdrom drive is bad ...
01:04<ry60003333>It loads the other components from the CD drive
01:04<ry60003333>Including the partitioner :(
01:04<adb>so it stop where?
01:05<ry60003333>Install base system; its doing something like:
01:05<ry60003333>checking component main on "file:///cdrom"
01:05<ry60003333>I tried the business CD
01:05<ry60003333>It hangs on the same thing, except the path is
01:05<ry60003333>The mirror I select :P
01:05<ry60003333>And the console output is:
01:06<adb>ry60003333: is a lenny cd image
01:06<ry60003333>tail: can't open '/var/log/syslog' no such file or directory
01:06<ry60003333>Yeah its Lenny PPC
01:06<adb>try etch ...
01:06<ry60003333>Although, one time it hung with no message.
01:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 381] by debhelper
01:07<adb>used alt+ F3, F4
01:07<ry60003333>F3 is a blank console
01:07<ry60003333>Yeah and I can switch consoles and it still responds and works :
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01:09<adb>hint : try to mount cdrom on alt+ F2 , and retry last step in alt+ F1 * alt+ F(in installer
01:10<ry60003333>K, the thing is I don't recall seeing the "checking component main" when installing on other systems
01:10<adb>go back one step in installer maybe
01:11<ry60003333>thats the partition step
01:12<ry60003333>Out of curiosity, what options should be passed to the kernel? I've got an option for the video, one for ADB, and DEBCONF_PRIORITY=LOWER
01:12<ry60003333>I mean LOW
01:12<adb>make sure the cdrom is keep spinning
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01:12<ry60003333>Yeah it stops spinning after the hangs
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01:13<adb>leave default options for installer
01:14<jm_>standard options can be listed at boot prompt with F# keys
01:15<ry60003333>BootX has no default options; without the ADB I can't use the keyboard, without video I get no video, :(
01:15<ry60003333>Heres the guide I was using; it contains notes at the bottom for Lenny.
01:15<adb>ry60003333: but you installed on m68k too , i guess
01:16<ry60003333>Na, my m68k Mac has 4 MB of RAM ;)
01:16<adb>ah , right BootX
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01:16<ry60003333>This has 96 MB of RAM and 2 GB hard drive
01:16<jm_>ahh mac, sorry then I have no idea
01:17<mdik>may it be the size of the disk or the ram?
01:18<ry60003333>Yeah I've changed around the RAM disk size; seems to have no effect.
01:18<ry60003333>I also check with free in the F2 console
01:18<ry60003333>It keeps at least 15 MB of RAM free
01:19<ry60003333>Yeah and after the partition step it starts using the swap space :)
01:19<mdik>a thing i once did on a 24 ram laptop was to hang in a swap partition right after the partitioning
01:19<mdik>it does...
01:20<ry60003333>You mean it hung after doing that?
01:20<adb>ry60003333: make sure the cdrom is keep spinning , by mounting it on Alt+F2
01:20<mdik>no. that was the only possibilty to get it running
01:20<ry60003333>Kk trying to google quicky how to mount it :P
01:20<mdik>because in my case, swap wasnt hung in directly after partitioning.
01:20<mdik>im not sure if it was debian at all either
01:21<mdik>maybe it was slackware...
01:21<ry60003333>Yeah, thing is though it still hangs when I used the business card CD
01:21<ry60003333>When fetching from FTP
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01:21<mdik>the thing i'd do is just to grab another flavor of debian or another nice distro
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01:21<ry60003333>Yeah I might if this doesn't work :(
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01:22<ry60003333>I've already got three other Debian computers, two X86 and one PPC
01:22<ry60003333>So Debian was my first choice
01:22<adb>ry60003333: try ` mount /dev/cdrom/cdrom0 cdrom `, or so
01:22<ry60003333>K, thanks.
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01:23<ry60003333>The CD is mounted in /dev/cdrom already with the files in it.
01:24<ry60003333>It still spins down when I leave it alone for a while though.
01:24<ry60003333>And if I do like, ls, it spins up again
01:25<adb>i know , an apple wired option , go fight against it
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01:27<adb> weird *
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01:33<Jids>can i use the same swap partition for multiple Linux operating systems on dual-boot?
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01:34<jm_>Jids: sure, but beware of things like suspend to disk
01:34<Jids>kk thanks
01:34<Jids>what would happen if i forget and switch over?
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01:36<ry60003333>adb: What just happened :P
01:36<jm_>well at least s2disk has a kernel version check to prevent the most basic errors, but otherwise it's usually huge corruption
01:37<Jids>so in other words... BOOM?
01:37<Jids>and ... would that be to both systems or just one?
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01:37<ry60003333>Lol thought so xD
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01:38<ry60003333>adb: Got a new error, Debootstrap error: failed to determine the codename for the release
01:38<ry60003333>I might just throw the computer out the Window x.x
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01:40<jm_>hmm that's a good question, I would guess current
01:41<adb>ry60003333: hope you partitions is right , as made in apple 3 partitions , and install apple on last 3-rd partition , leaving for debian the former ..
01:41<Jids>jm_: i have winxp/win7 and Debian installed, and i just installed Mepis... should i install grub on the MBR or root?
01:41<ry60003333>Yeah sda7 is OS 9, sda8 is 1.5 GB ext3 for /, and 280 MB for swap is sda9
01:42<ry60003333>And lots of small "Macintosh" partitions above those.
01:42<adb>ry60003333: nope ...
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01:42<ry60003333>I have no problem with completely erasing the computer again :P
01:43<adb>sda7 sda8 linux, sda9 OSX
01:43<ry60003333>Old World can't run OS X, and you have to have OS 9 installed to run BootX
01:44<ffws>ry60003333: I'm just curous, whicht grub version are you using?
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01:44<adb>well os9 then
01:44<ry60003333>Can't run grub either
01:44<adb>ffws: BootX
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01:45<jm_>Jids: up to you, what's on MBR now?
01:45<ry60003333>This is from the guide: "but I did notice that the HFS+ partition (/dev/hda6) ", "Ext3 format and choose to mount "/" on it. On my machine this then becomes /dev/hda7/.", "Also make a swap partition (/dev/hda8)"
01:45<Jids>jm_: dunno... but i installed it to the MBR anyway
01:45<Jids>let's hope it works
01:45<sney`>my old debian powerpc machine I had to boot with a floppy
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01:45<sney`>because miboot was the only thing that would work
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01:46<sney`>it worked pretty well actually
01:46<ry60003333>Yeah BootX comes with miBoot.img,
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01:46<ffws>adb: ah, your talking about old world, thanks
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01:47<sney`>I didn't have a copy of OS9 was the thing, I got the machine with no hard drive so I just used an old IDC50 scsi drive I had lying around
01:47<ry60003333>Oh ok
01:47<Jids>jm_: let's hope this works...
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01:47<sney`>the annoying thing was building new kernels
01:47<sney`>because they always had to go on the floppy
01:47<ry60003333>1.44 MB
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01:48<sney`>this was debian potato so things were generally smaller
01:48<sney`>2.6 is massive relatively speaking
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01:48<ry60003333>Yeah I'm getting stuck on "Checking component main on file:///cdrom"
01:48<ry60003333>And with business CD its an FTP path
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01:49<adb>but network is configured right ?
01:50<adb>is working ?
01:50<ry60003333>I got the network time so I'm assuming network is working
01:50<ry60003333>Along with DHCP
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01:51<ry60003333>If it matters, why does /var/log/syslog not exist xD
01:51<adb>too early ..
01:51<ry60003333>so why is tail looking for it during the install? :(
01:52<ry60003333>If it matters
01:52<adb>not yest mounted the hard
01:53<ry60003333>I'll try again and take picz and notez
01:53<adb>allez a+
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02:04<mdik>jm: how can it corrupt, when you resume to the then-running linux anyway?
02:05<jm_>mdik: but you won't, you'll resume to a different kernel
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02:06<mdik>jm: i dont get it. i have systems A and B both use the same swap-partition. now i boot system A and suspend it. how can it happen that i accidently switch to kernel B, when i resume?
02:07<mdik>wont it just resume to system A, when i hit the power-button?
02:09<jm_>mdik: no, resume works by you selection the right option in boot menu which can be boot system B with kernel for B and resume initrd for B, but data in swap (used for resume) is for A
02:11<jm_>another thing to watch out for are mounted file systems
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02:12<mdik>so. suspend-to-ram it is
02:12<jm_>yeah that's the one which works as you described
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02:12<jm_>but I prefer to use keyboard to resume it if it works ;)
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02:32<esb>I messed up desktop-config wuth extra effects in KDE... Now when I start KDE my screen only blinks and are non' responsive... What cmd could reset that settings without starting KDE-desktop... I have fluxbox and gnome working aswell
02:32<jm_>esb: how do you start X?
02:32<esb>kwin I guess
02:32<jm_>no that 's not it, it's either manually or display manager
02:33<esb>display manager
02:33<jm_>did you look if it allows you to choose a different session?
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02:33<esb>jm_: yes.. gnome and openfox work aswell as kde/openbox
02:33<ry60003333> I have another question about lenny 502 PPC
02:34<jm_>esb: so try to use that and start KDE control center or whatever it's called
02:34<ry60003333>On a G3 iMac, the monitor is not recognized so the desktop starts in an supported resolution
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02:34<ry60003333>And the xorg.conf is completely empty :P
02:34<esb>jm_: Ah, I try that.. thx
02:34<jm_>ry60003333: that's normal
02:34<sney`>X -configure
02:34<sney`>will at least give you an xorg.conf with things in it
02:35<ry60003333>K ty
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02:39<deniz>can anybody please help me make my video card capable of playing my games
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02:43<jm_>you want us to improve hardware capabilities of your video card?
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02:43<deniz>lol no i want the drivers to work the way they're supposed to in a sense
02:43<jm_>what card?
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02:43<deniz>ATI X600 Pro
02:43<deniz>do you know nexuiz?
02:43<jm_>did you try installing fglrx driver?
02:43<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from (ie. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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02:44<deniz>last time i tried, i had to reinstall my system lol so im hoping someone can hold my hand just for the first time
02:44<deniz>and I followed the debian wiki as well as other advice from:
02:44<jm_>just ask dpkg and follow the wiki page it tells you about
02:45<deniz>ya i did the wiki
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02:45<deniz>on my previous installation
02:45<jm_>with older version of debian?
02:45<deniz>but first I must ask, is there a difference between nexuiz and half-life 2 games in terms of video card?
02:45<deniz>no both times squeeze
02:45<deniz>well i mean
02:45<deniz>now im on squeeze and i tried on a previous squeeze install
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02:47<deniz>the open source radeon should have 3d support for my old card though and in fact i get pretty good looking graphics when I play nexuiz (game from repositories that uses 3d) but half-life 2 ep1 and ep2 each have their issues
02:48<deniz>jm_, oh wait! could this be my issue???:
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02:51<jm_>deniz: this is for much older cards than what you have
02:51<deniz>so apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri wouldn't solve my problem?
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02:51<deniz>plus im having critical low hard drive space issue too now :@ so im gonnahave to resize my partition too
02:53<jm_>deniz: naah, fglrx uses fglrx-glx
02:54<deniz>jm_, what does that mean precisely?
02:55<deniz>like the fglrx-glx part
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02:56<jm_>deniz: it's a package that provides libGL libraries for use with fglrx driver
02:56<deniz>libGL as in openGL?
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03:00<deniz>ok but i dont think that is the issue because nexuiz works fine for me and it uses openGL 2.0 (
03:00<deniz>and that is from the default radeon driver
03:01<ry60003333>Quick question - I increased the RAM disk size and now my video output is red
03:01<ry60003333>The whole screen is dark redish and purpleish
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03:04<jmarsden>ry60003333: Sounds like you should decrease RAM disk size again and see if the video returns to normal? If not, the two things are unrelated and you should check video issues separately -- loose VGA cable, try a different monitor, etc etc.
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03:05<ry60003333>K, the problem was I lowed the RAM disk size
03:05<ry60003333>And the installer exited and it fell back to a prompt
03:05<ry60003333>Which then started the installer
03:05<ry60003333>Which then exited :P
03:05<deniz>jm_, in ubuntu a long time ago i got this working with and without fglrx, so please help because i prefer debian
03:05<ry60003333>So I got a nice blue and black flashing screen :D
03:06<jmarsden>ry60003333: OK, so redo the install and don't mess with the RAM disk size :)
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03:08<ry60003333>Thats what I did; default is like
03:08<ry60003333>8 MB
03:08<ry60003333>And thats when the installed exited :(
03:08<jm_>deniz: hmm I am affraid I am not familiar with ATI cards, only nvidia and to minor degree intel
03:09<jmarsden>ry60003333: Is this on some extremely old / low RAM machine? Can you just add another stick of RAM and retry?
03:09<ry60003333>Its got 80 MB
03:10<ry60003333>Its old; Its an Old World PowerMac 7300 :(
03:10<deniz>jm_, :( thanks anyway
03:10<jmarsden>I have 8GB here :) Yes, that's old alright!
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03:12<ry60003333>Are these partitions correct? I've renamed the swap partition swap however:
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03:15<jmarsden>The debian ones look OK, the many small partitions at the front look odd to me, but may just be a characteristic of the way Apple sets up machines of that era...
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03:16<jmarsden>I need to go to bed... best of luck bringing ancient history back to life :)
03:17<ry60003333>Lol thanks.
03:17<ry60003333>Night :)
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05:21<stuckey_>How do I create a postscript file from a .txt file?
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05:22<stuckey_>bigeasy: thanks. Would I need to use that if I were wanting to print a .txt file? Or can lp print .txt files?
05:23<petemc>cat file.txt | lpr
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05:24<inglor>anyone else have problems with sid and audigy audio ?
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05:25<stuckey_>can I do that with lp or just lpr?
05:26<jm_>stuckey_: lp can typically print text files
05:26<stuckey_>jm_: The text runs off the right side of the page
05:26<dfss>hi, I've listed my wm in my .xinitrc.. but upon logging it, it's as if it's not taking in account what I just put it (it just starts gnome). what am I not getting?
05:26<stuckey_>For example, I print a .txt file with the line "- writes about revolution, history and social change, and about characters from all levels of society." and I only see "- writes about revolution, history and so characters from all levels of society." The "cial change, and about" is missing (it would have needed a larger piece of paper, presumably).
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05:27<stuckey>petemc: "
05:27<stuckey>Running stuckey@debian:~$ enscript grobe.txt
05:28<stuckey>Doesn't print anything out
05:28<stuckey>[ 1 pages * 1 copy ] sent to printer
05:28<stuckey>It says that though
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05:31<jm_>stuckey_: I remember debconf question for text files for cups (at least I think it was cups)
05:31<vvas>stuckey: about what you're saying aabout part of the line that's missing
05:31<vvas>stuckey: you should probably reformat the file to not have too long files
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05:32*vvas tries to remember which are the commands that do that
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05:32<jm_>tools like fmt
05:32<hendry>KEYEXPIRED 1246455239, anyone getting that?
05:32<jm_>dfss: logging in gdm?
05:32<vvas>ah yes, fmt and fold -s
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05:33<hackndoes>hi guys and gals
05:34<dfss>jm_, yes, using gdm. to be specific, here's the situation: bob has been the primary normal user (using gnome), I've just created the user sarah (who'll be using xmonad). putting in "exec /home/sarah/bin/xmonad" in .xinitrc changes nothing.. gnome starts, not xmonad
05:34<jm_>stuckey: cups should use texttops filter to convert it
05:34<jm_>dfss: select alternative session in gdm
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05:35<dfss>jm_, what would I have to do get that automated?
05:35<jm_>dfss: I think there's an option to remember it for the next time
05:36<dfss>jm_, alright, I'll try it out right now, thank you.
05:36<jm_>no worries
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05:36<jm_>ahh also it should be .xsession, will mention that when he comes back :)
05:36<hackndoes>i added a line to my fstab for my usb external HDD with options user,rw,noauto cause i want to be able to mount it with any user read and write to it .etc. for some reason i can't mount it using the mount command with the regular user, but not only that, if i simply plug it in, it mounts giving me a message window saying: "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "FreeAgent"."
05:37<hackndoes>and i can only browse the mounted fs as root. what is that? how can i solve that?
05:37<jm_>hackndoes: find out how it's mounted first
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05:38<vvas>hackndoes: what's the filesystem type? vfat?
05:38<hackndoes>jm_, /dev/sdb1 on /media/FreeAgent type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=dgodfather)
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05:38<hackndoes>vvas, ntfs
05:38<hackndoes>and i have ntfs-3g installed
05:39<hackndoes>jm_, any ideas?
05:39<vvas>hackndoes: you'll probably need to add one or more of uid / gid / umask to the options
05:40<hackndoes>user isn't good enough?
05:40<vvas>no, user just specifies that any user can mount it
05:40<vvas>it doesn't mean that the permissions once it's mounted will allow them to access it
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05:41<vvas>but, another thing
05:41<vvas>with ntfs-3g you don't really need any of this, and the above line probably doesn't use ntfs-3g in fact
05:41<hackndoes>vvas, oh OK, i am listening
05:42<hackndoes>vvas, so should i remove the entry from fstab?
05:42<vvas>because ntfs-3g is a FUSE filesystem (filesystem in userspace) you should be able to mount it anywhere anyway
05:42<vvas>and do "man ntfs-3g" to see how you can mount it
05:43<hackndoes>vvas, OK trying that out
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05:43<jm_>hackndoes: you simply need to specify right mount options, i.e. uid, gid
05:43<vvas>ah hm, that might not work if you don't have access to the block device
05:44<vvas>hackndoes: also make sure you add that user to the group "disk"
05:44<jm_>i wouldn't do that if I were you
05:44<vvas>hackndoes: ("adduser your_user disk" as root)
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05:45<hackndoes>vvas, shouldn't it be something with the -g flag in the command? or maybe the -G flag
05:46<hackndoes>jm_, vvas is saying with ntfs-3g i don't need to edit fstab at all
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05:47<hackndoes>vvas, i can't find the group disk
05:48<hackndoes>i mean i can't see it on the system
05:48<vvas>it's a standard group in any Debian system (check /etc/group), it's usually gid 6
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05:49<jm_>hackndoes: possibly, I use ntfs kernel driver
05:49<vvas>jm_: ... which is read-only, no?
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05:49<svk>Hey, I've just done a clean install of lenny and I'm having trouble configuring X
05:50<hackndoes>jm_, well thanks in that case :)
05:50<vvas>hackndoes: and your block devices should be like:
05:50<svk>Specifically /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty, and it seems that settings from dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg are not respected
05:50<vvas>brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 17 2009-05-16 14:30 /dev/sdb1
05:50<svk>Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
05:50<jm_>vvas: yup
05:50<vvas>svk: an empty xorg.conf is usually what you'd want these days... is there something that's not working for you?
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05:51<jm_>to clarify there's RW option too, but it's dangerous/I don't need it
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05:51<jm_>svk: that is all normal
05:51<dfss>jm_, I think the problem was rather that .xinitrc isn't accounted for to even begin with. e.g., I also had this in it: "xset -b b off" - yet still I hear the bell (but don't when once again I do enter this in term manually). any ideas?
05:51<svk>Okay, but I'm trying to set my keyboard layout and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't work
05:51<vvas>hackndoes: so if you add your user to group disk ("man adduser") you should be able to mount that device with ntfs-3g ("man ntfs-3g")
05:52<jm_>dfss: right, as soon as you left: <jm_> ahh also it should be .xsession, will mention that when he comes back :)
05:52<pwork>Hi, I use aptitude once a week to update packages, and this time, I got updates and kernel upgrades. Since then, I can only start X in vesa. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling ATI drivers from proprietary .run ball, but it failed
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05:52<jm_>svk: write it in xorg.conf manually if it's lenny
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05:53<hackndoes>vvas, yeh well OK, the problem was something else though
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05:53<pwork>I have a black screen before getting the xdm login manager screen, and Xorg.0.log ends with : (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported
05:53<pwork>(==) fglrx(0): Center Mode is disabled
05:53<hackndoes>an unclean dismount in windows cause the mount to not execute
05:53<pwork>Just before display modes listing, that does not happen
05:53<svk>There's no way to do that from the installer?
05:53<hackndoes>the disk was flagged as still mounted or something
05:53<dfss>jm_, in light of what I just mentioned, should I put anything else, besides "exec /home/sarah/bin/xmonad"?
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05:54<vvas>hackndoes: that's probably best solved again in windows, no?
05:54<svk>But that should work, I have a backup of my old xorg.conf
05:54<hackndoes>yes, it's already solved
05:54<jm_>dfss: for xset stuff simply put in xset b off<newline>xclock &<newline>...exec ....
05:54<pwork>I mean : it hangs on a black screen, and I can't get to the XDM screen
05:54<hackndoes>vvas, yes, it's already solved
05:54<jm_>yeah possibly just copy old xorg.conf over
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05:54<dfss>jm_, that is precisely how I had it
05:54<vvas>svk: i guess you could take the keyboard's InputDevice section from the old xorg.conf and put that (and only that) to the current one
05:55<jm_>dfss: just rename the file then
05:55<vvas>hackndoes: ok
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05:55<dfss>jm_, alright, I'll try again then. thanks again.
05:55<hackndoes>vvas, thanks a lot
05:55<jm_>dfss: did you find the right session to select?
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05:56<dfss>jm_, it wasn't listed there, I was thinking I wouldn't have to worry about it as .xinitrc would (presumingly) take precedence over it
05:56<jm_>dfss: possibly yes, it would be best to check its default session script
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05:57<dfss>I'll look over at that as well then.
05:57<jm_>pwork: do you have the module loaded?
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06:03<pwork>jm, I don't know, since I can't start X
06:03<pwork>jm, Can I know this, even if X is not started ?
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06:07<jm_>pwork: sure, lsmod
06:07<pwork>jm, ok, I'll get back to you after a reboot ;)
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06:07<jm_>pwork: why reboot?
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06:10<Tekno_>I just installed from daily image (amd64)
06:10<Tekno_>I'm trying to use script to install e17
06:10<Tekno_>svn doesn't get access to svn server
06:10<Tekno_>but I'm sure it is working server as another computer doesnt have any problems connecting svn to itt
06:11<jm_>can you telnet to its port?
06:12<Tekno_>how ?
06:12<jm_>well telnet hostname port
06:12<jm_>port can be "svn"
06:13<Tekno_>could not resolve...
06:14<jm_>did you replace hostname with its real name?
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06:18<Tekno_>jm_: what hostname?
06:18<Tekno_>ah yea of course
06:19<Tekno_>telnet svn
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06:19<jm_>Tekno_: telnet svn
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06:20<vvas>has e17 been released yet?
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06:20<ans-tor> <-- is there any benefit of filing debian bug to launchpad rather than debbug?
06:21<Tekno_>jm_: connection refused
06:22<jm_>Tekno_: so it's not working
06:22<jm_>!connection refused
06:22<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
06:22<jm_>I mean the server is not working, not your connection
06:23<Tekno_>It is working
06:23<jm_>it isn't
06:23<Tekno_>as I can connect from another computer
06:23<Tekno_>and enlightenment developer said it's working
06:23<jm_>not on this IP no
06:23<vvas>not here either
06:23<jm_>me neither
06:24<vvas>it *is* working
06:24<vvas>it's svn over http of course
06:25<jm_>right should use svn to test then not telnet
06:25<vvas>yeah, for example: svn ls
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06:26<jm_>is svn not smart enough to try this on its own?
06:26<Tekno_>vvas: that says: could not connect to server
06:27<vvas>then it's a problem with your computer and/or its connection to the internet
06:27<Tekno_>from another debian pc works fine
06:27<vvas>no idea what it could be though
06:27<jm_>Tekno_: maybe you need to go via a proxy?
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06:29<jm_>then telnet to its port 80, or do HEAD
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06:35<dfss>jm_, well, that went fine.. actually putting the wm entree in /usr/share/xsessions.. it is however an inconvenience that what I've listed in .xinitrc isn't started.. fwiw, here is the subject xinitrc:
06:36<jm_>dfss: did you rename .xinitrc to .xsession like I said?
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06:37<jm_>dfss: also ln -s .Xdefaults .Xresources and you should be able to get rid of one line
06:37<dfss>sorry, no, I completely forgot amidst putting in the wm entry to /usr/share/xsessions. I'll do it right now though
06:38<jm_>when I tested gdm a few years ago it would honour .xsession with the debian/default session
06:38<jm_>(not sure how it was really called)
06:38<jm_>I shall try it again some day to see how it behaves
06:39<dfss>jm_, I must comment though, that I'm at the moment borrowing config files from another user.. who also supposedly is getting this done in lenny, the inconsistency does raise an eyebrow. in any case though
06:40<jm_>dfss: and you're not using lenny?
06:40<dfss>ln -s .Xdefaults .Xresources <-- I can't understand the syntax :x - should I write what I would ordinarily write in .xdefaults in .xresources, or keep writing it in .xdefaults? No, I AM - hence the strangeness (that it'd work in one instance and not the other)
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06:41<jm_>dfss: yes, rename the file - I have a symlink since I never remember which is the right one so it doesn't matter which one I edit
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06:42<dfss>ok, done renaming - I'll try it out again and see how it works. thanks
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06:45<dfss>jm_, yeah... that did it. thank you :)
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06:47<jm_>dfss: enjoy
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06:48<Tekno_>is there a debian repo for enlightenment?
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06:49<dpkg>[e] a silly bulky, overdone <WM>, or still the best looking window manager around and smaller than <windowmaker> in memory, or of course, smaller than windowmaker isn't saying much. See <sawfish>, <MDMA>, or 2.7182818284590452353602874713526625, or kicks ass, or a very versatile window manager, or *utter* shite. DR16 packaged for Lenny and Squeeze as 'e16'. See also <e17>. #e on
06:49<Tekno_>yea but
06:50<Tekno_>a repo?
06:50<dpkg>Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. Ask me about <DR17>, or . Also ask me about <enlightenment>.
06:50<inglor>Anyone got an idea about latest alsa upgrade with Audigy card? (I can't seem to play anything with any program)
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07:06<jm_>inglor: what did you check so far?
07:07<inglor>install / purge alsa from testing / sid, /etc/modules.d/sound.conf and ~/.asound.conf (delete both)
07:07<ais>i've installed debian in spanish and the keyboard spanish symbols are not working help
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07:11<jm_>!tell ais -about keymap
07:12<jm_>did you check /proc/asound/cards?
07:12<inglor>alsactl init produce an error in line 51 and 52
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07:12<inglor>cat /proc/asound/cards
07:12<inglor> 1 [Audigy ]: Audigy - SB Audigy 1 [SB0092]
07:12<inglor> SB Audigy 1 [SB0092] (rev.3, serial:0x531102) at 0xac00, irq 19
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07:12<inglor>still can't play anything :S
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07:13<jm_>so you have no .asoundrc files and you also tested with something basic like aplay? and verified mixer levels (amixer scontents)?
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07:15<inglor>aplay produce an error and no play.
07:15<jm_>what error?
07:16<ais>ive tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data and it doesnt work
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07:17<ais>ive tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and it doesnt work
07:17<jm_>X now pulls in some new console config tool, possibly console-setup - I forgot
07:17<Tekno_>Cant get xorg running
07:17<Tekno_>any help?
07:17<ais>ive just installed debian in 2 computers and the same problem in both
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07:18<ais>spanish keyboard symbols dont work
07:19<inglor>Tekno_: pastebin your xorg.conf plz
07:19<Tekno_>inglor: its empty
07:19<jm_>inglor: please prefix messages for me with jm_ from now on - did you try stracing aplay? did you check BTS?
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07:21<jm_>Tekno_: this looks fine to me - are you sure it's not a case of it trying to start something and exiting because that fails?
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07:21<ais>setxkbmap es it was not so difficoult
07:21<Tekno_>jm_: it doesnt exist
07:21<Tekno_>I just get nothing
07:21<jm_>Tekno_: what doesn't exist?
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07:22<inglor>jm_: stracing aplay? BTS ? (kinda new to sid)
07:22<jm_>inglor: strace -o str.txt aplay /usr/... ; BTS: /msg dpkg bts
07:22<inglor> /msg dpkg bts
07:23<jm_>!tell inglor -about msg
07:23<jm_>!tell inglor -about bts
07:23<jm_>sorry ignore the first one
07:24<Tekno_>I get blank screen, and then it drops to shell
07:24<Tekno_>(after startx)
07:25<jm_>do you have .xsession file?
07:26<Tekno_>"gnome-session not found"
07:26<jm_>well doh
07:26<jm_>surely you checked xsession-errors file, right?
07:27<jm_>right so you don't have gnome-session in your PATH./installed
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07:29<gsimmons>inglor: It appears your sound device is card 1, whereas aplay et al is expecting card 0. Try unloading and passing index=0 to the relevant ALSA driver.
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07:30<jm_>doh there is, it says 1 - I completely ignored that since it was first listed, nicely spotted - or set default device in .asoundrc
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07:31<jm_>for aplay test you can also specify it with -D
07:31*inglor confused
07:32<inglor>BTS : no news. strace done but no idea where it will help.
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07:32<inglor>As for the other: I have 2 cards in my pc
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07:33<jm_>so you didn't paste all of asound/cards or what?
07:33<inglor>I did alsa dont recognize both
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07:33<inglor>lspci | grep audio
07:33<inglor>00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
07:33<inglor>01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
07:34<jm_>I have ck804 and it works fine
07:35<jm_>try aplay -D hw:1,0 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
07:35<inglor>jm_: well CK804 used to work fine, but its my secondary, don't use it.
07:37<jm_>right so either pass the index option as gsimmons said or set the different default in .asoundrc
07:37<jm_>although to be honest those errors are totally retarded
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07:40<jm_>it's snd_index for recent kernels
07:40<inglor>well atm my CK804 its not recognized :P
07:40<inglor>I screw up my sounds :P
07:41<jm_>the problem with ALSA is there are many options that are really poorly documented
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07:42<inglor>with options snd_emu10k1 snd_index=0 in sound.conf my audigy is still recognized as 1 card not 0 :S
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07:44<jm_>perhaps it's index for you then, did you verify that? and did you rmmod and reload the module?
07:45<inglor>./gasp: ERROR: Module snd_emu10k1 is in use
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07:48<inglor>ok i will be back when my cat /proc/asound/cards show 2 cards again. now it's pointless
07:48*inglor goes to alsa wiki
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08:26<caletron> can iscsi be made to work reliably over a low-speed (adsl) connection?
08:26<caletron>I've got a mount that works as long as you don't do much with it
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08:29<abrotman>caletron: you could use something like bandwidth shaping?
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08:30<caletron>it's flaky even when I'm not doing anything else with the connection
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08:30<caletron>so I guess not?
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08:33<caletron>I was hoping that playing with timeouts might help
08:34<abrotman>just because you don't think you're doing anything, doesn't mean that something isn't happening ?
08:34<vvas>and why would you use iscsi over a low-speed connection, might i ask?
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08:34<vvas>aren't there other ways to mount that particular storage system?
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08:35<caletron>I could use rsync, or whatever, but I wanted to have the disk encrypted
08:35<caletron>so that the files can't be read from the remote location
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08:38<caletron>abrotman: iptraf on my firewall shows that next to nothing (other than iscsi) was happening
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09:06<K4>Hi! I have a small problem with exim4. I'm not a MTA expert, so I hope someone will help me :) I've installed exim4 in Lenny and now am trying to send a email to my box on remote server. I'm using sendEmail, it reports that everything was fine (250 OK), but I don't see the email in my box.
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09:07<K4>If I remove exim4 and install sendmail, the email is delivered immediately. What's wrong with exim4? :) Thanks!
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09:10<enouf>jmarsden: FWIW, i have a 7300 that has atleast 128MB, but likely 256MB might take more, i forget offhand
09:10<jm_>k4: you'll need to check exim logs
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09:15<K4>jm_: hm, I found "Mailing to remote domains not supported" there
09:16<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
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09:17<jm_>K4: then your configuration probably disallows this
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09:20<ans-tor>anyone know how to fix line wrap in email sent by gmail ?
09:20<ans-tor>it usually has problem when sending the "retitle" tag to debbug
09:21<jm_>you mean via web interface?
09:21<ans-tor>jm_: yes
09:21<enouf>jm_: you might be thinking of "consolekit" (as the X depends), it's that thing responsible for all those {console-kit-daemon} entries in ps/pstree output
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09:23<vvas>K4: exim4 isn't anything special anyway, unless you have a particular reason to stick to it i'd install postfix in its place
09:23<petemc>vvas: thats bullshit
09:23<vvas>(not meaning to start an MTA flame war, but that's what i generally do)
09:23<enouf>ans-tor: you've went into settings/prefs and selected send/receive as Text only? (that's not a debian question though)
09:23<K4>vvas: I'd like to install smallest MTA, because of usong some sort of embedded device
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09:24<petemc>K4: nullmailer or ssmtp might be more suitable then
09:24<jm_>enouf: yes :)
09:24<K4>Ok, thanks, I'll try them.
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09:26<enouf>ans-tor: heh, i can't even find _that_ (text only) setting just now ... *shrugs*
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09:26<ans-tor>enouf: i always sent in plain text
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09:26<enouf>jm: aye ;-)
09:26<vvas>hm, programs in this computer take up ridiculously more memory compared to my computer at home
09:26<vvas>i wonder if it's a 32-bit vs 64-bit thing
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09:27<vvas>for example:
09:27<vvas>root 1366 0.0 0.0 2464 676 ? S<s May04 0:04 udevd --daemon
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09:27<vvas>root 1099 0.0 0.0 18888 948 ? S<s 13:18 0:00 udevd --daemon
09:28<vvas>crazy huh?
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09:30<xan>Hi, anyone could help me. Anyone know how to switch between pts with ssh? I have entered in one machine in pts/0 and pts/1. By error, I lost pts/0 connection, but pts/0 is still alive (I see via ps aux from pts/1),
09:30<Tekno_>how do I change keyboard layout in debian?
09:30<Tekno_>for 1 user, not for all
09:30<K4>Tekno_: via DE settings, for example in KDE you can use control center
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09:31<Tekno_>im using openbo
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09:31<K4>Tekno_: then via openbox autostart scripts and setxkbmap
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09:32<vvas>xan: not in a way that i would know of
09:32<K4>Tekno_: Use "setxkbmap us,ru -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle" or something (man setxkbmap)
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09:33<xan>vvas, thanks but I need it. I have in pts/0 a d-i running and when I connect in pts/1 d-i starts at the begginning. Is there any way for recovering the screen of pts/0?
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09:34<xan>vvas perhaps ssh -t?
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09:35<enouf>xan: is output of $ lsof | grep pts/0 any help?
09:36<stuckey>jm: vvas: so what should I do to fix it?
09:36<xan>enouf: this [] is ps aux
09:36<enouf>Tekno_: if indeed using obox as WM, man openbox-session, iirc
09:37<stuckey>I printed something out of conkeror the other day and it looked just fine.
09:37<xan>enouf: I have not lsof
09:37<xan>in server machine
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09:37<Tekno_>when iceweasel 3.5 is going to come?
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09:38<xan>Really, only I have this: commands
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09:38<xan>enouf, the only think i think it's connect to the pts/0 somehow via ssh (in client)
09:39<xan>I just close (by error) the console of the client running ssh (in pts/0 in server)
09:40<stuckey>Is there a channel dedicated to printing in debian?
09:41<enouf>xan: i don't know, sorry
09:41<xan>enouf, I'm sorry more ;-)
09:41<enouf>stuckey: all i know is http://localhost:631/admin :-P
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09:43<stuckey>I was tyring to make a .ps file from a .txt file to see if the .ps file would print correctly; the .txt file doesn't.
09:43<stuckey>I'm doing cat x.txt | lp; enscript x.txt
09:43<stuckey>The second command says it will print but doesn't.
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09:44<petemc>stuckey: look at a2ps
09:45<stuckey>petemc: Is this necessary for pritning .txt files?
09:45<petemc>i guess badly formatted ones
09:48<stuckey>a2ps made something that was readable
09:49<bja>stuckey: Still having printing trouble?
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09:50<stuckey>bja: Yep
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09:51<stuckey>bja: I think it was my method though, not my printer. Printing .txt files with "cat x.txt | lp" doesn't always produce something readable.
09:51<stuckey>I was trying to print a .doc file; I used "antiword x.doc", then did lp on the resulting .txt file. The ouput wasn't too great from the printer though.
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09:56<abrotman>why not just open the document in abiword or something ?
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09:56<stuckey>abrotman: doing it from the command line would be easier; wouldn't it?
09:57<abrotman>depends what you want to do with it .. whatever floats your boat
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09:58<stuckey>I want to figure out how to do it from the command line...
09:59<abrotman>to do what? convert a word document or print it or what?
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09:59<stuckey>Well both; I'd like to view it, and then print it.
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10:00<ans-tor> <-- why one need to file debian bug on launchpad rather than debbug?
10:01<ans-tor>anyone know why?
10:01<abrotman>ans-tor: use reportbug?
10:02<abrotman>what does have to do with Debian ?
10:02<kenyon>ans-tor: those launchpad bugs are just tracking the real bugs
10:02<ans-tor>i don't know
10:02<bja>stuckey: I believe abiword has a command line parameter to print files directly, just like inkscape
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10:03<ans-tor>kenyon: there're bugs filed directly to launchpad/debian/pkgname
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10:03<abrotman>ans-tor: i think you want<pkgname>
10:03<ans-tor>abrotman: yes
10:03<kenyon>ans-tor: show me one filed directly for a debian package
10:04<kenyon>all I see are status trackers
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10:05<kenyon>ans-tor: those are all "remote bug watches" of, like I said
10:05<vvas>stuckey: so what was the problem with printing .txt files with lp again? that lines get truncated?
10:05<kenyon>ans-tor: and bugs filed against ubuntu packages
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10:33<Mikey^>I am using lenny and have added non-free repo but still apt says it cant find firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d ipw3945-modules
10:34<@weasel>did you run apt-get update?
10:34<gsimmons>Mikey^: Uh, those packages aren't in Lenny.
10:34<llutz>isn't it firmware-iwlwifi?
10:35<Mikey^>they have changed it ?
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10:35<llutz>at least on sid, yes
10:35<Mikey^>yes That package is there
10:35<llutz>firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000-series cards
10:36<Mikey^>what do I have to modprobe to get the wireless working right away ?
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10:36<llutz>"modprobe iwl3945"
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10:36<zynon>where's dpkg ?
10:36<Mikey^>ok thanks
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10:37<Mikey^>thanks guys
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10:38<abrotman>zynon: at a BBQ
10:38<zynon>lol i needed some info from him :)
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10:38<mason_>hello, how do i install lib32-mdns fr
10:39<mason_>for wine because a wine warning comes up/
10:39<stuckey>vvas: yes
10:40<mason_>how do i fix this warning ?
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10:40<vvas>stuckey: at which column? 80?
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10:41<Mikey^>wireless is working good.. :)
10:41<abrotman>zynon: such as ?
10:41<stuckey>vvas: how do I tell?
10:41<vvas>count :^)
10:41<stuckey>vvas: A colum is letter or space?
10:41<stuckey>I mean it just looks like it's streched off the page...
10:42<Mikey^>anybody using the slab type menu in lenny ?
10:42<zynon>abrotman: files for gettig wireless wpa running
10:42<stuckey>vvas: 49
10:42<abrotman>zynon: wpa-supplicant ? man interfaces ?
10:42<vvas>ouch, that sounds terribly small
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10:43<vvas>from what you said earlier it appeared to be 64 (i just checked the scrollback)
10:43<stuckey>vvas: i didn't count earlier
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10:43<stuckey>vvas: but the printer test page looks okay. It must be something with the way I'm choosing to print .txt files.
10:43<zynon>abrotman: yeah took a look at that didnt find it usefull since it didnt work
10:44<abrotman>Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Lenny's Debian Installer does not support WPA.
10:44<abrotman>is that what you want ?
10:44<vvas>stuckey: you could try wrapping lines
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10:44<stuckey>vvas: they look wrapped when I cat the document.
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10:45<vvas>stuckey: as in, "fmt -wXX foo.txt | lp", where XX is the maximum width (48 / 64 / 72 / 80)
10:45<zynon>abrotman: better appreciate it.
10:45<ml|>zynon: you get dpkg info from here ...
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10:45<vvas>stuckey: or you could try enscript: " enscript -o - foo.txt | lp"
10:45<vvas>(or a2ps is a similar program)
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10:46<stuckey>vvas: hey, that was a lot better
10:47<vvas>stuckey: or you could try reducing the font size for your printer's text mode (no idea how you would do that though)
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10:48<stuckey>vvas: oh yeah, the output looks great when I do it like that.
10:49<stuckey>vvas: can input be piped into enscript?
10:49<stuckey>vvas: Like, I have a .doc file, so I do "catdoc x.doc", and then put that into enscript, and then into lp?
10:49<vvas>yes, it can
10:49<vvas>just don't forget the "-o -" bit, so that enscript in turn writes to its standard output
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10:50<vvas>(though technically if you don't specify that it sends the output directly to the printer, but i think you said earlier that this didn't work for you)
10:51<stuckey>vvas: okay
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10:51<stuckey>vvas: I still end up getting some strange symbols in the printout; i'm using "catdoc"
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10:51<stuckey>vvas: these symbols aren't showing up in the terminal, only on the printout
10:52<vvas>like what?
10:53<stuckey>vvas: seems to be just random characters
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10:53<stuckey>vvas: like a with a thing on top of it, then /
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10:53<stuckey>vvas: want me to scan it for you?
10:53<vvas>no it's ok
10:54<vvas>and where these appear, what does the terminal output have? nothing? some other letter?
10:54<stuckey>vvas: depends on if I use catdoc or antiword
10:55<vvas>well, in either case; give me a concrete example
10:55<Mikey^>how can I get adobe flash player to be used by epiphany instead of swfdec
10:56<vvas>Mikey^: uninstall swfdec?
10:56<stuckey>For example, ;…), showed up as: ;a\200|)
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10:56<stuckey>(the 'a' there has a thing on top of it)
10:56<Mikey^>that tries to remove many other apps as well
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10:57<vvas>Mikey^: even if you just try to remove package swfdec-mozilla?
10:58<vvas>stuckey: i see
10:58<Mikey^>let me try that.
10:58<vvas>stuckey: does catdoc and/or antiword have an option to specify the output character encoding?
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10:58<zynon>whats the base package of X11?
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10:59<vvas>stuckey: the problem in this case is that they output UTF-8, but enscript interprets its input as ISO-8859-1
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11:00<stuckey>vvas: okay
11:00<stuckey>vvas: antiword says it can output pdf
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11:01<stuckey>but when I did "antiword -a a4 x.doc" I got: The combination PDF and UTF-8 is not supported
11:01<ml|>Mikey^: search there for flash, dmm lenny after you install flash do update-alternatives --config
11:01<Mikey^>ok will do that
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11:01<stuckey>vvas: says the same about postscript... pity
11:02<vvas>stuckey: how about trying my suggestion?
11:02<Mikey^>ml|, that works :)
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11:02<Mikey^>Thank ml|
11:02<ml|>Mikey^: and select the player flash you want
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11:02<stuckey>vvas: specifiy it to ISO-8859-1
11:02<ml|>ok good
11:02<vvas>zynon: why, what are you trying to do?
11:02<stuckey>vvas: but why can't it just output ps? I mean, that would be convenient.
11:03<stuckey>vvas: doesn't look like it has that option.
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11:03<zynon>vvas: install x11 :)
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11:04<vvas>stuckey: catdoc seems to have a -d option...
11:04<vvas>(it's not that hard)
11:04<ml|>zynon: trying to install gnome?
11:04<zynon>yea i think i got it, seems like a keystroke made it read wrong site
11:05<vvas>zynon: ah, it's "xorg"
11:05<vvas>zynon: but that only gives you the base X environment
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11:05<stuckey>vvas: So why won't antiword work?
11:05<stuckey>vvas: I'm testing catdoc now...
11:05<zynon>vvas: might need a little more than the base :)
11:06<zynon>gnome 545megs before unpacked heh
11:06<vvas>zynon: for GNOME, you'll additionally need gnome-core (for the base GNOME system) or gnome-desktop-environment (for the full system)
11:06<stuckey>vvas: catdoc -d ISO-8859-1 'Grobe Struktur des Referats.doc' | lp, didn't work. Same shitty output as just doing "lp x.txt"
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11:06<ml|>zynon: to install gnome just do aptitude install gnome
11:07<vvas>stuckey: of course, because you omitted enscript (why?)
11:07<zynon>ml|: yup told ya just rusty not a complete idiot its download, times to eat breakfest afk
11:07<stuckey>vvas: oops
11:07<stuckey>vvas: testing again :)
11:08<stuckey>vvas: same as doing catdoc | enscript | lp
11:08<ml|>zynon:just incase heh, have fun ;)
11:08<stuckey>vvas: strange combinations of letters/symbols
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11:09<vvas>no idea then
11:10<stuckey>vvas: I think I know a good solution: delete .doc files as soon as they're found.
11:10<stuckey>vvas: but let me ask about .txt files; how should I print them?
11:11<vvas>err, with enscript...
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11:15<stuckey>vvas: thanks
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11:15<vvas>you're welcome
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11:16<jelle100>can somebody helo me?
11:16<jelle100>i want to install Debian on a Virtual machine , to try
11:16<bja>ml|: Don't you remember that you killed the bot
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11:17<jelle100>Witch processor must i have
11:17<ml|>bja: bah ;P
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11:17<ml|>jelle100: what do you mean
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11:18<jelle100>I want to install Debian on Virtual pc 2008
11:18<zynon>ml|: min requirements
11:18<ml|>jelle100: on windows
11:19<jelle100>No, with Microsoft Virtual PC 2007
11:19<ml|>jelle100: best to ask in a channel that knows about virtual pc
11:19<jelle100>and that channel is?
11:19<ml|>dunno google is your friend
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11:21<ml|>jelle100: i believe you can use virtualbox on windows that will work
11:21<jelle100>ok, thankx
11:22<zynon>635 packages later lol
11:22<jelle100>thank you!
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11:24<stuckey>I'm getting "E: Build-Depends dependency for flightgear cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package simgear-dev can satisfy version requirements" when I do "apt-get build-dep flightgear".
11:24<stuckey>What does this mean?
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11:26<vvas>pretty much what it says
11:27<stuckey>vvas: there aren't packages available in the repository to build ?
11:27<gernot>hi, i would like to add the following character to my xmodmap: 、
11:27<zynon>okay lets see how beter gnome has gotten
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11:27<gernot>does somebody know how to find out its name?
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11:28<cahoot>gernot: not using utf-8 atm?
11:28<vvas>stuckey: it seems to have a FTBFS bug filed for it
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11:28<cahoot>asking because the lyph you showed turned up illegible here
11:29<stuckey>vvas: FTBFS?
11:29<vvas>Fails To Built From Source
11:30<gernot>cahoot: hm, i'm not sure. anyway, maybe you can help me with a general pointer?
11:30<locklace>gernot: just look at its byte encoding and cross-reference with the table for your encoding
11:30<stuckey>vvas: hmm... okay. What's the bug number?
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11:41<locklace>gernot: seems to be 0xe38081 aka U+3001, IDEOGRAPHIC COMMA
11:42<kLk>hello, how can i save changes in my system so they still at next restart?
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11:42<azeem_>kLk: that depends on the type of changes
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11:42<kLk>for example screen settings
11:43<azeem_>the resolution?
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11:43<kLk>i got 2 screens, configured in the nvidia x server settings
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11:43<azeem_>kLk: ask nvidia how to save the settings
11:43<gernot>locklace: thank you! i was planning to try to understand your advice a little later. and now you even did it for me.
11:43<kLk>but when i perform a restart, theres only the main screen working
11:44<locklace>gernot: what i did was "echo 、| od -t x1"
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11:45<ml|>kLk: try su -c nvidia-settings and Save to X Configuration File
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11:53<Mirdus>welcome ;)
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11:56<bobzillion>Please recommend software to recover data from an SD card.
11:58<epsas>if it is a fat formatted sd disk
11:59<epsas>you can use testdisk
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12:01<miguel>i cant find out how to save the file in vim (but only if changes have been mad)
12:01<miguel>:w saves ALWAYS
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12:02<epsas>no it doesnt
12:02<epsas>:w! saves always
12:03<epsas>bobzillion - did that help you?
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12:05<ml|>miguel: when you :q it will let know that you need to save or use :q! to disregard the changes
12:05<miguel>how can i see the changetime of a file in seconds?
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12:05<miguel>coz it really seems that after "w" the file becomes ALWAYS newer
12:05<miguel>i made a shortcut that automatically saves and compiles and runs my code
12:05<miguel>but its ALWAYS rebuild
12:06<miguel>even without changes
12:06<miguel>and thats why i think, that it ALWAYS saves
12:06<epsas>uhh no
12:06<epsas>if you use :w, it will save
12:06<epsas>and touch the time
12:06<ml|>no won't save if you don't :w
12:06<epsas>don't save the file
12:06<miguel>ya, so it ALWAYS saves, right?
12:07<miguel>i want to save only on changes
12:07<epsas>miguel - ???
12:07<miguel>i want a command, that saves the file if it has been changed
12:07<ml|>miguel: ^ read plz
12:07<miguel>and does NOT if it wasnt
12:07<epsas>miguel - don't use :w
12:07<epsas>that writes the file to disk.
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12:08<miguel>ya, i want vim to do it automatically:
12:08<miguel>save (if changed) + compile + run result
12:08<miguel>on one keystroke
12:08<ml|>miguel: for vim ?'s best to ask in #vim on freenode
12:08<miguel>hmmm good suggestion
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12:08<epsas>join #vim and ask about vim scripting
12:08<miguel>but thx anyways guys
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12:10<Daemonfire>any german ppl ?
12:10<bzowk>anyone here that can answer a quick noob question please?
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12:11<miguel>aah it was :up = :update
12:11<miguel>what ive been looking fot
12:11<miguel>im in austria Daemonfire
12:11<bzowk>i can't figure out how to install the exchange plug-in for evolution (need a email client that supports exchange) any ideas?
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12:15<Daemonfire>miguel did you get my msg?
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12:22<miguel>yaah thx
12:23<bja>Daemonfire: /j
12:24<miguel>or ask here in englisch inside the forum
12:25<bja>wir könen immer ein bischen deustsh sprechen
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12:25<miguel>heheh genau
12:25<@weasel>I'm all for changing this channel's official language and enforcing some basic rules
12:25<@weasel>I'm not sure how popular that'd be tho
12:26<miguel>change it to chinese
12:26<Daemonfire>now i am on the "german" deb channel^^ nobody is there^^
12:26<miguel>why dont you ask here in english??
12:26<@weasel>I'd also appreciate if you'd stop sending that kind of users to
12:27<cahoot>weasel: never imagined #debian cared about popular
12:27<@weasel>(no patience, no real name, no idea how to behave on irc, using silly line noise that they think are emoticons, etc.)
12:27<miguel>what else :) ?
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12:27*weasel glares.
12:28<@weasel>miguel: that's actually almost acceptable.
12:29<bja>locklace: Didn't you mentioned a bar some time ago?
12:29<locklace>i can't figure out if it's a morose chef or a happy marine
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12:29<Daemonfire>^^ ubuntu ircs are often more populated, but i wonder if they are realy intellectual or just guys which wanna use the "windows" dist for linux^^
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12:29<@weasel>Daemonfire: stop adding ^^ all over your lines.
12:30<@weasel>it looks stupid and serves no purpose.
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12:30<@weasel>also, we don't particularly care about what ubuntu does on their channels.
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12:34<miguel>is wasel always so charming?
12:35<@weasel>I haven't even started yet
12:35<Tekno_>How do I install flash to my 64-bit debian? I have got latest firefox (3.5)
12:35<Daemonfire>adobe flash?
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12:36<Daemonfire>hoo? ff 3.5 ?
12:36<Tekno_>yea adobe flash
12:36<Tekno_>how can I install it ?
12:37<Tekno_>if I download .deb from adobe and try to dpkg -i, it says that it's not compatible with 64-bit
12:37<ml|>is flash for 64bit in the repos, dmm?
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12:37<Daemonfire>i do not know, i never worked with it, i just read a tutorial about using FLEX on Debian with Zend's Framework
12:37<miguel>it works for me on 64bit, but i forgot where i got it from..
12:38<abrotman>Tekno_: there is a 64bit beta version from adobe
12:38<miguel>the file i used is called:
12:38<miguel>and i suppose its from the official adobe flash player site
12:38<Tekno_>theres no 64bit
12:38<dantti>Tekno_: do you have internet connection? + aptitude working?
12:39<dantti>then aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
12:39<Tekno_>I tried already
12:39<Daemonfire>any reasons (good reasons) for installing GUI on a Server?
12:39<dantti>Tekno_: what's the problem?
12:39<weasel>abrotman: well,
12:39<Tekno_>dantti: no flash in ff3.5
12:40<dantti>Tekno_: hmm well it works with iceweasel from testing..
12:40<weasel>abrotman: maybe it's a terminal server?
12:40<Tekno_>ff 3.5 is extracted to folder .firefox
12:40<dantti>64bits btw (yes there is a 64bit from adobe)
12:40<Daemonfire>do you know "PageSpeed" Google's analyzing add-on for ff, test it with the google main page and it will say "ouch you can improve many things"^^
12:41<abrotman>weasel: i dont' think that's what he's implying
12:41<weasel>abrotman: well, yeah. :)
12:41<dantti>Tekno_: then you probably need to google and find where you should create a ln inside you .firefox dir to get to the flash plugin
12:42<Tekno_>but humm
12:42<dantti>*create a link
12:42<Tekno_>I have 32-bit ff
12:42<bobzillion>I need to recover files from a SD drive. I've installed photorec, and mounted the SD drive, but photorec won't see it. Is there a trick to make photorec see it?
12:42<Tekno_>so do I need 32-bit or 64-bit flash?
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12:43<bja>Tekno_: It will work with 32-bit adobe
12:43<jrabbit>bobzillion: read their docs
12:43<dantti>they must be compatible ff 32 so flsh 32, ff64 so flash 64 (there is a way to use 32 also but as there is a 64 version now there's no need)
12:43<jrabbit>they're quite extensive
12:44<Tekno_>where do I put ?
12:44<Tekno_>my ff is extracted to .firefox
12:45<bja>Tekno_: .firefox/plugins
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12:46<Tekno_>it crashes now my firefox when I go to youtube
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12:48<Daemonfire>does pre-increment work @ php5 ?
12:48<Daemonfire>++$i ?
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12:48<miguel>mmmhmm i cant hardly await until my spaghettis are finished..
12:48<bobzillion>jrabbit, I've read through their docs. I'm at the "partition selection" screen, and I don't see my sd sisk.
12:48<bobzillion>jrabbit, *disk
12:49<jrabbit>does it mount?
12:49<jrabbit>umount it
12:49<jrabbit>photorec might not want to fight for the disk
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12:51<dr|zed>lame channel.
12:51<bja>ml|: you have to download it dpkg has the address
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12:52<ml|>bja: ok, didn't think it was in the repos
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12:52<ml|>bja: thanks
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12:56<start>My boot hang due to unfound UUID on the root fs
12:56<start>which is on an lvm2
12:56<start>I think this unfound device is just a temporary loop device I added to the vg
12:57<start>but, now it doesn't enable the vg because of it
12:57<start>And I am stuck at busybox
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12:58<start>do you know what I could do?
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13:03<paggas>i messed up the mount options for my usb flash drive, via the properties window, and now i cannot mount it via nautilus again! could someone please tell me how to reset those mount options? thanks :)
13:03<weasel>depends on how you screwed it up..
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13:05<paggas>weasel: i tried adding some extra mount options, namely shortname=winnt (for a fat fs) and relatime
13:05<weasel>did your gui thingie touch etc/fstab?
13:05<paggas>weasel: no
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13:05<weasel>grep for shortname=winnt in your ~/.g* direcotires?
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13:08<cahoot>might also try gconf-editor->system->storage->default_options
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13:11<paggas>do i need to restart anything for the new configuration to take effect?
13:11<weasel>probably gconf, and make sure it doesn't write to the file(s) when it gets stopped/killed
13:13<paggas>right, i killed gconfd-2, everything is running again :) thanks!
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13:15<weasel>I'm sure gconf-edit or so would have worked too
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13:15<weasel>but last time I tried it it didn't have grep built in.
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13:17<paggas>seems the whole thing has to do with the fact that hal doesn't accept relatime yet... i think i had seen a bug in the bts about this once
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13:18<paggas> right, here it is, still not fixed :/
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13:19<nixiepixel>Hey =D
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13:30<paggas>how can i change the label of a usb flash drive so that the change is reflected in /dev/disk/by-label? i tried unmounting the drive and remounting it after changing the label with dosfslabel, but udev still shows the old label! probably remembers its serial number or something :/
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13:34<dkr>paggas: /etc/udev/preferences somewhere perhaps
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13:36<kLk>virtualbox or vmware? what would u recommend?
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13:38<Gathond>whichever you want, virtualbox is part of debian though
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13:40<ml|>there is also kvm
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13:46<zynon>ugg this wireless thing is a pain in the rear
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13:48<zynon>the tools in gnome do they have issues with certain interneral cards ?
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13:52<zynon>so here's a good one loaded up gnome and added my wireless info with the wpa key and it still wont connect or it just dissappears off the screen
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13:55<zynon>anyone know why ?
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13:57<stuckey>it was the jews...
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13:58<abrotman>stuckey: in the what?
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13:58<stuckey>abrotman: preventing gnome from working correctly (see zynon's question).
13:59<zynon>stuckey: damn jews!
13:59<abrotman>stop that
13:59<abrotman>it's not remotely funny
13:59<ml|>jews would not think that is funny
13:59<zynon>my applogizes
13:59<stuckey>Are there jews involved with Debian?
13:59<abrotman>no one should think it's funny
14:00<abrotman>stuckey: last warning
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14:00<ml|>abrotman: correct
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14:00<stuckey>Just trying to get some activity in the channel...
14:01<abrotman>go some where else if you want to be a troll
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14:01<zynon>ml|, abrotman, question i had was when i try to use the tools the gnome has to setup the wireless network i have with the wpa key it doesnt connect, then it dissappears from the upper right hand tool bar
14:01<zynon>am i missing some sort of package that im not aware about..
14:01<stuckey>You mean like a germlin?
14:01<epsas>well, add to the fact that there are anti-semitism laws on .de
14:02<abrotman>zynon: i use the interfaces file .. i honestly wouldn't know
14:02<stuckey>anti-semitisim laws in .de? I don't think so.
14:02<abrotman>go somewhere else
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14:02<ml|>zynon: you need to wait for someone to help you, not everyone knows how to fix that. be patient
14:03<start>My VG doesn't start due to missing PV device, can anyone help?
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14:04<ml|>zynon: if you don't get help in a few hours try askimg again
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14:05<zynon>mabey i might figure it out
14:05<ml|>google can help ;)
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14:06<zynon>well if i can do it with the interfaces file just need to figure out the help file to login using it that way
14:06<guy>installing compiz on acer one... need to know if I'm using nvidia or ati
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14:08<ml|>zynon: most don't use gnome network-manager or whatever it is called
14:08<stuckey>Look inside your computer?
14:08<abrotman>guy: lspci | grep VGA
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14:08<zynon>whats the site of dpkg again verion or somethin like that
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14:09<ml|>zynon: you get dpkg info from here ... bookmark it :)
14:09<guy>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
14:09<abrotman>dpkg: hi
14:09<dpkg>salut, abrotman
14:09<abrotman>and he's back!
14:09<ml|>dpkg: wb
14:09<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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14:09<guy>abrotman does that mean ait or nvidia?
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14:10<guy>ml intel is ati?
14:10<vvas>no, intel is intel
14:10<ml|>might not be able to use compiz on that chip
14:11<Mikey^>How do I configure the update system to only update security flaws and all updates
14:11<guy>ml had compiz when i was with ubuntu
14:11<abrotman>guy: it's intel
14:11<guy>trying to get it on leny
14:11<stuckey>!start a religious war
14:11*dpkg cuts off the head of a bash user in the name of the most high intercal
14:11<vvas>nah, it should be fine for compiz
14:11<abrotman>stuckey: please stop
14:11<vvas>i'm currently running compiz on:
14:11<abrotman>guy: did you install compiz ?
14:11<vvas>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
14:11<ml|>guy: i said *might*
14:12<guy>abrotman in the process, im at the point in the tut where they ask if im using nvidia or ati henece the question
14:12<abrotman>guy: i think you just want to `aptitude install compiz` ?
14:12<guy>abrotman then reboot?
14:12<vvas>guy: you can skip any parts of the tutorial that talk about installing drivers
14:14<guy>ok thanks... will restart x and see if it works
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to have the video fill the window in gmplayer? (dmm)
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14:21<guy>Ok thanks ppl, I got compiz running :)
14:21<ml|>!congratulate guy
14:21<dpkg>Nice one guy, you did it!
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14:33<guy>ok compiz is working but is a lot slower than when i was running it on ubuntu
14:34<guy>it flows when the workspace is empty, but staggers when turning to a workspace with iceweasel on it
14:34<guy>(the cube staggers)
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14:38<alexandroos>hello, Am I able to install debian testing using an old net-installer? about 1 year old
14:39<abrotman>you probably don't want to
14:39<alexandroos>or I have to download the latest netinst image
14:39<abrotman>i'd get a new one
14:39<ml|>i would download new also
14:39<alexandroos>is it possible to get it on a usb memory stick?
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14:40<ml|>dpkg: tell alexandroos about usb install
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14:42<ml|>dpkg: tell alexandroos about install guide
14:43<alexandroos>does it also go for testing?
14:43<ml|>install lenny the move to testing
14:43<vvas>guy: i had the same problem and solved it by switching the acceleration method from EXA to XAA
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14:44<alexandroos>ok ml|
14:44<vvas>guy: but this might not work well with recent versions of the kernel / X intel driver
14:44<guy>vvas will give it a try
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14:48<guy>ok back from restarting x and vvas, you're right, that did it
14:48<guy>its not perfect but its a lot more smoother than with exa
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14:54<zynon>ha! fixed my wireless issue
14:55<And1>!congratulate zynon
14:55<dpkg>Huzzah zynon, you did it!
14:55<ml|>!coffee vvas
14:55*dpkg decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for vvas, courtesy of ml|
14:56<zynon>ml| had to do some trouble shooting, looks like lenny doesnt like old drivers
14:56<ml|>zynon: glad you figuered it out :)
14:57<vvas>haha, thanks
14:57<zynon>ml| yeah i remember having the same issue with potato long time ago on another laptop
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14:58<ml|>zynon: now that you know you cam help someone with same issue if you are around ;)
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14:58<Rob3k># Appears as TONGTYED
14:59<Rob3k>(#G868E768RM1T[machine]) i am yellinh
14:59<zynon>yeah didnt realize it would be the same issue figured the dev's would have fixed it by now.
14:59<Rob3k>(#G910E:10M1T[machine]) No you didnt
14:59<Rob3k>(#G868E768RM1T[machine]) piece of junk doesnt work
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14:59<adb>Rob3k: stop it
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15:00<Rob3k>(#G910E658RM1T[machine]) ...
15:00<locklace>!lart Rob3k
15:00*dpkg steals Rob3k's mojo
15:00<ml|>zynon: well maybe file a bug report with reportbug and explain your fix
15:00<Rob3k>(#G:66E966RM1T[machine]) hey give that back!
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15:00<ml|>!ops Rob3k spam
15:00<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ml| complains about: Rob3k spam
15:01<Rob3k>(#G;10E:10M1T[machine]) and why is there a @*%$ Rabbit infront of me?!
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15:01<zynon>ml| ill get to that here in abit need to finish adding stuff to machine like changing the gnome background looks kinda ewwiw
15:02<vvas>hm, these weird tags in front of the text, they ring a bell... where do they come from?
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15:02<Rob3k># Appears as TONGTYED
15:02<adb>!ops Rob3k spambot
15:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: adb complains about: Rob3k spambot
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15:04<@weasel>adb: also, not everything you don't like is spamming.
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15:09<vvas>weasel: oh right
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15:09<locklace>haha, wtf
15:09<vvas>heh, blast from the past
15:10<locklace>i can't tell if i've never seen that or just suppressed the hideous memory
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15:12<okbutton>hi all
15:12<okbutton>I got a bit of a bandwidth problem with a debian box
15:13<okbutton>every few hours I get hit by a flurry of trafic I have been looking at my stats from my logs and I cant track it down
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15:14<okbutton>any one got any surgestions for finding the popular service
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15:15<@weasel>learn about the magic keys on your keyboard that produce marvellous, wondrous things such as ",", ";", ":", or even "-" or ".".
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15:15<abrotman>okbutton: iftop or jnettop perhaps
15:15<@weasel>wonder and be amazed. then use them to structure your sentences and we might actually be able to read what you say
15:15<locklace>okbutton: if you don't know what kind of traffic (source/dest addresses and ports) then you can use any number of tools to either dump packets or display summary statistics
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15:16<okbutton>I didn't wan't to have to log every packet so a sumery statistic would be good.
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15:17<locklace>okbutton: netstat is the obvious first place to start. then there are things like iftop and tcptrack (for tcp traffic) and tcpdump (for all traffic, but with advanced filter options)
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15:18<seth>cool i love bitchx client lol
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15:18<@weasel>it's about the crappiest piece of software on the planet
15:18<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373.
15:19<ml|>zynon: try irssi
15:19<zynon>okay will do brb
15:19<locklace>okbutton: there are a few dozen tools like that. similarly you can use iptables to do rate-limited logging so you don't get a log message for every packet
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15:20<okbutton>Cheers for the surgestions I will go away and read up for a while. Thanks again.
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15:22<zynon>looks pretty good color is a little off
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15:23<@weasel>such things can be changed.
15:23<locklace>lies. there is only amber on black
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15:24<ml|> is nice
15:25<zynon>yeah gota find it first lol just used to black backgrund with white writting
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15:25<zynon>background rather
15:26<ml|>heh, same here white on black
15:26<kop>locklace : I agree. It was painful to find emacs in color on lenny.
15:26<kop>ml| : White on black sucks. Green or amber is better.
15:27<bja>I do prefere optical green on black *sighs*
15:27<ml|>kop: in your opinion :)
15:27<locklace>!start a color war
15:27<dpkg>All terminals should have black backgrounds.
15:27<kop>ml| There were studies done in the 80's.
15:27<ml|>well it's 2009
15:28<kop>ml| Right, so people should know better by now, right? ;-)
15:28<ml|>even dpkg agrees
15:28<dkr>computer users have aged since the 80s though, our failing eyes need high contrast black on white now
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15:29<ml|>i used to use green on black, but find for _me_ white on black is better :)
15:29<dkr>I use cyan on black, actually. :)
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15:30<ml|>and dkr makes a good point
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15:30<zynon>ing to get it to load the
15:31<kop>The terminal I like to make fun of is the transparent terminal. It's like having a transparent toilet, a good idea until you try to use it.
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15:32<ml|>yeah transparent terminal are only for screenshots
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15:35<zynon>is it just me or when i type in a command to irssi it doesnt even give me a error
15:35<kop>What sort of alternatives are there to minicom? Anything good?
15:35<locklace>kop: kermit
15:35<ml|>zynon: lokk at status window
15:36<kop>locklace : I'd forgotten about kermit.
15:36<locklace>kop: minicom sucked by comparison from the day it came out. and what was that other one that preceded it for a while...
15:38<kop>locklace : How come I can't find kermit? Is it in non-free?
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15:38<locklace>i want to say it was written by ted t'so but might be wrong
15:38<locklace>kop: yeah, ckermit is in non-free
15:38<abrotman>judd: info ckermit
15:38<judd>abrotman: ckermit (non-free/comm): is extra; Version: 211-10; Size: 1581.7k; Installed: 2964k -- a serial and network communications package
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15:39<kop>Ah, that's why I'm on minicom.
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15:40<locklace>what about putty?
15:40<locklace>haven't tried to use it under unix
15:40<vvas>what's wrong with minicom? always worked great for me (back in the day)
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15:40<kop>Wasn't there something for chatting with a serial line beginning with a 't'...? 3 letters long?
15:40<kop>locklace : Putty sounds plausable.
15:41<kop>locklace : That's it.
15:41<locklace>urgh, but putty depends on x/gtk
15:41<petemc>screen works with serial devices
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15:42<kop>petemc : It's kinda nice to have a handy helper to set all the goofy serial parameters.
15:43<hever>Hi I'm going t install debain from usb stick. My problem is the installer can't find an installer iso image. I put mini.iso on the stick but this doesn't help.
15:43<hever>It has booted netboot.tar.gz already....
15:43<locklace>hever: maybe try unetbootin, it seems to be fairly reliable.
15:43<petemc>kop: you can do that in .screenrc
15:44<patrikf>hever: I think you have to leave the iso's filename as it is on the cd mirrors
15:44<hever>I'm on amd64
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15:46<evolabo>hello. does somebody knows, if it's possible, how to compile a perl script, or it's no possible
15:46<@weasel>it isn't, really.
15:46<hever>patrikf, what name do you mean? (
15:47<evolabo>thank you
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15:47<patrikf>hever: I mean you should put as debian-502-amd64-netinst.iso onto the stick
15:48<hever>ah ok
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15:54<hever_>patrikf, thanks it worked !
15:54<patrikf>you're welcome
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16:05<saseke>tudna valaki segíteni ?
16:06<dpkg>from memory, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
16:07<saseke> here no
16:07<saseke>server no
16:07<saseke>no ping
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16:43<Villarroel>Is there a Debian way to create a new binary package of a shared library for ia32-libs-* for example, "ia32-libs-librsvg2-common" which does not exists?
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16:50<patrikf>Villarroel: multiarch support, if you can call it that, is in its current state an ugly hack.
16:51<patrikf>so no, no easy way to do that.
16:52<patrikf>Villarroel: maybe an i386 chroot could be an option for you.
16:52<Villarroel>patrikf: Thanks, what about a difficult way :-) ... thanks.
16:52<asaleem>Is there any way to delete any duplicate files in eg /home
16:52<locklace>every time you use an ia32-* command, god kills a kitten.
16:52<Villarroel>locklace: Ok.
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16:53<locklace>asaleem: define "duplicate file"
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17:25<dpkg>my sanity check is a race condition. - Jim Dennis
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17:28<Villarroel>Giving ia32-apt-get a try.
17:29<locklace>dammit man, think of the kittens
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17:36<bja>I'm looking for an irc server to install on my laptop to localy test a bot any suggestion?
17:36<rudi_s>bja: inspircd
17:37<locklace>ngircd might be more appropriate
17:38<enouf>asaleem: hardlinks duplicates? or duplicately named in various directories?
17:38<borman>bja, try run 'aptitude search ircd'
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17:39<asaleem>enouf, duplicately named in various directories
17:39<bja>thx everyone
17:39<enouf>asaleem: man chkdupexe is fun, biut not apropos for you
17:40<enouf>asaleem: phone
17:40<asaleem>enouf, hmmm
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17:42<enouf>asaleem: find and some uniq and maybe sort
17:42<asaleem>enouf, sounds good
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17:43<enouf>asaleem: /msg dpkg using find ; man sort ; man uniq and note you might want to set LC_ALL=C depending
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17:44<enouf>asaleem: crap - maybe diff, diff3 and ... wait
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17:47<drakeman_>ml|, hey man how are you!!!
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17:50<nixiepixel>Hi! I have Ubuntu installed on my machine, with separate partitions for / and /home. If I wish to format / and install Debian there, will my settings and programs from Ubuntu transfer over in /home without problem, or would it be easier store my data and install from scratch?
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17:52<rudi_s>nixiepixel: You should always make a backup. But you can decide if partitions should be formatted or not in the debian installer. So it should be save. Everythin in / (including programs) will of course be lost (as you format it), but /home should be intact.
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17:54<bja>nixiepixel: It doesn't hurt to keep a backup of /etc just for the sake of configuration check up, but the actual files may differ
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17:56<robo>I have a strange problem here.. I got dropped to initramfs shell and it's telling me it cannot mount my lvm root device on /root
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17:57<robo>mounting /dev/mapper/usbvg-rootlv on /root failed: no such device
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17:57<robo>but ls -l /dev/mapper/usbvg-rootlv shows it
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17:58<robo>and btw. hi :)
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18:00<robo>no ideas?
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18:01<bja>robo: Check misspellings and check permissions
18:02<robo>bja: no misspelling, the shell actually auto-completes the path to that dev file
18:02<bja>does the mounting dir exist
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18:02<locklace>robo: maybe try booting with rootdelay=9
18:03<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:03<poguste>c francais ou anglais la !!
18:03<robo>bja: yes, /root exists and now i've tried mkdir mnt and mount on mnt - same error
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18:04<bja>try what loclace said
18:04<robo>i already have rootdelay=10 :)
18:04<locklace>robo: did it ever work
18:05<robo>locklace: no, it's an experiment :)
18:05<dpkg>epic test fail
18:05<robo>yea, obviously
18:07<robo>even lvdisplay shows it OK.. available and all that...
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18:08<locklace>what happens if you try to mount it manually
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18:09<robo>locklace: it says No such device
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18:09<robo>could that be that it doesn't detect the filesystem properly?
18:09<locklace>robo: what happens if you first do vgscan --mknodes and then vgchange -aly
18:10<robo>lemme try
18:10<robo>rebooting again...
18:10<locklace>dpkg: revolution!
18:10<dpkg>eliminate fsck power of brutal event!
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18:13<robo>No such file or directory
18:13<robo>same thing
18:13<locklace>does your kernel even have device mapper support
18:14<robo>it even said 1 logical volume in vol group usbvg found
18:14<robo>but no mounting
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18:15<robo>dd if=/dev/mapper/usbvg-rootlv works
18:15<robo>i bet it's the filesystem
18:16<robo>not lvm
18:16<robo>screw it i'm angry
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18:16<robo>locklace:it's 2.6.30 from sid
18:17<locklace>before you said "no such device" and now you're saying "no such file or directory". those aren't remotely the same
18:18<robo>ahem... yeah.. i was re-typing it.. i'm still retyping it.. now it's no such file or directory for sure
18:18<locklace>does the directory you're trying to mount it on even exist
18:18<enouf>asaleem: aha - use find / sort /uniq ; then man comm
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18:19<enouf>asaleem: twas on the tele with a lovely lady ;-)
18:19<robo>locklace: yes, i can even create files in that directory.. and i've already tried to create a new dir and mount it over that
18:20<locklace>maybe try stracing the mount
18:20<robo>sorry, no strace in initrd shell
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18:20<locklace>what is the exact command and error message
18:21<robo>give me one more idea to try and then i'll go to bed
18:21<enouf>robo: vgchange -ay has been known to solve issues like that- however, please do not do that without inspecting and uderstanding
18:21<locklace>enouf: welcome to 15 minutes ago
18:21<robo>mount: mounting /dev/mapper/usbvg-rootlv on /root failed: No such file or directory
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18:22<robo>now i even got capitalization right
18:22<enouf>locklace: i told you - babydoll twas on the tele
18:24<robo>i'm gonna solve it now.. easy and painlessly... remove the lvm which i dont really need anyway and use plain partitions
18:24<robo>tomorrow that is
18:24<robo>thanks for help guys and good night
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19:18<southernc>could someone tell me the command to search all files in system for containing text
19:20<zynon>bah, flash player is not supported in lenny ?
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19:20<zynon>southernc: you need it to search in files or for file names
19:21<southernc>like i wanna search every file in / for my old ip[ so that i can update files
19:21<zynon>to search for files, use the find command
19:21<zynon>find / -name this_is_your_old_file_name
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19:22<southernc>errr let me explain better
19:22<southernc>i wanna search the contents of every file to make sure none have my old ip adress in them so that i can update them
19:23<zynon>hang on
19:23<brlancer>I have escape sequences for color and xterm title in PS1; using xterm-color and vi keys, my term gets pretty wonked** if I try to modify multipe words (e.g. "c2w"). **wonked means it displays some of the escaped chars and moving positions on the line doesn't refresh properly
19:24<southernc>grep "" / for example
19:24<brlancer>Has anyone dealt with/resolved this?
19:24<southernc>but i dunno if that actually would work
19:24<zynon>brlancer, carriage return you must have:)
19:24<zynon>hang on southernc lets see if i can come up with something
19:24<bja>brlancer: PS1 is shell dependent
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19:25<locklace>southernc: the basic approach is "find /some/dir -type f | xargs grep xyz"
19:25<zynon>yeah there ya go
19:25<locklace>southernc: but running it with /some/dir = / is a bad idea if you can avoid it. try to narrow it down
19:25<zynon>locklace: he is doing his whole hd.
19:25<locklace>and i'm saying that's absurd
19:26<brlancer>zynon: this works if my term is 'xterm'; both have "cr=^M" in terminfo
19:26<zynon>locklace: yup
19:26<locklace>southernc: for instance there's no point in searching for your ip address in places like /usr/share and /usr/bin and /usr/lib
19:26<locklace>southernc: probably the only place that matters, in fact, is /etc
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19:27<zynon>brlancer: okay so what doesnt work again? the color bleeds?
19:27<brlancer>and this did work in sarge; never tried it on etch
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19:27<brlancer>no, it doesn't print the color, it prints the literal escape sequences and
19:28<zynon>brlancer: not to question you, are you hitting the escape button or typing in what would appear without hitting it while in edit
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19:28<brlancer>if I try to move alone the command line, it doesn't refresh so everything that existed just gets "pushed" to the right; if I refresh the screen, it shows both the prompt and the command line as it should be
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19:29<brlancer>zynon: I have to hit the escape key to reach vi command mode
19:29<southernc>thanks locklace and zynon that worked
19:29<zynon>brlancer: use pico :)
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19:29<brlancer>zynon: sorry, I work for a living ;)
19:30<zynon>brlancer: so do i , thats why i use pico :)
19:30<brlancer>this isn't *in* vi, it's on the command line
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19:31<zynon>not a big color buff..
19:31<ml|>zynon: did my irssi tips help you?
19:31<zynon>ml|: yeah just new stuff to get used to, ill be fine once i adjust all the settings etc..
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19:31<locklace>brlancer: switch to zsh. it actually works
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19:31<zynon>it might be the shell
19:32<brlancer>locklace: no thank you. That's not very helpful.
19:32<zynon>well lock beat me to it
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19:32<brlancer>if it's a bug in bash, I'll work to get it fixed
19:32<brlancer>I am not changing my shell
19:32<locklace>brlancer: why would you choose bash over zsh?
19:32<bja>!start a shell war
19:32<dpkg>pdksh is better than posh
19:32<brlancer>because I enjoy pissing you off
19:32<brlancer>I am not changing my shell
19:32<zynon>now thats uncalled for
19:33<brlancer>I'm presuming it's related to terminfo
19:33<locklace>doesn't matter to me at all. feel free to wallow in your problems. ;)
19:33<zynon>bash throughout the years has always color issues
19:33<brlancer>zynon: not that I'd ever run into
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19:33<brlancer>and I think someone telling me to change my shell is both uncalled for and completely unhelpful
19:34<locklace>"switch to a working shell" is a viable solution. take it or leave it, as you like.
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19:35<zynon>brlancer: true, then again i've been working with different flavors of *nx for over 20 years, and ive heard enough from friends and users on different shells, but its either the carriage return is screwy or the setup is messed up
19:35<zynon>well *nx, commodore etc..etc..
19:35<zynon>matter of fact was playing boulder dash on my commodore 64 earlier today..
19:36<brlancer>zynon: sorry, I've only been doing this for 13...
19:36<locklace>!beer zynon
19:36*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Dogfishhead 90min IPA for zynon
19:36<brlancer>but I'm not dropping bash
19:36<brlancer>when you're saying carriage return, are you referring to encoded in PS1 or terminfo or what?
19:36<zynon>carriage return, im speaking on which the command line reacts when something is inputed,
19:37<zynon>as in your type something the cursor moves to the right you hit return which is carriage return
19:37<brlancer>ok, I'm not hitting carriage return
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19:37<zynon>so basically your inserting ansi into the xterm bash shell ?
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19:38<brlancer>yes; PS1 has ansi color codes encoded into it
19:38<ml|>!start a shell war
19:38<dpkg>csh is better than es
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19:39<zynon>so the conflict comes at that point..
19:39<zynon>ml|: i dunno know about that one, csh huh :)
19:39<enouf>fwtFitw, google searches SUCK ASS lately
19:39<ml|>no zsh ;)
19:39<brlancer>zynon: it works fine until I use vi keys to try edit the command line, like "c2w" (change 2 words)
19:40<brlancer>single commands work fine
19:40<brlancer>it's only when I use compound statements
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19:40<brlancer>that don't terminate at the end of the line
19:40<zynon>that is odd, hrmph, its been a long time since i used vi so im not familiar of how it resets itself during commands
19:41<bja>brlancer: How do you do vi commands on bash, afaik it is not built in or is it?
19:41<brlancer>bja: it's been built in since the 90s
19:41<brlancer>set -o vi
19:42<brlancer>this work for *years* and when I upgraded a box from sarge to lenny, it broke
19:42<locklace>brlancer: so check the bts and file a bug
19:42<bja>brlancer: check versions of bash, maybe you just spotted a bug ?
19:42<brlancer>bja: it's possible but I don't know where and I can't say why; that's what I'm trying to narrow down :)
19:43<locklace>your problem is sufficiently obscure that the likelihood of someone else here knowing the solution off the top of their head is small
19:43<zynon>i would report it as a bug
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19:44<zynon>locklace: since i havent used vi in forever, i used to be descent at trouble shooting just been awhile, been working with other systems for too long, just deicded to get back with debian today for a side laptop
19:45<zynon>so whats up with this flash player thing, is there a package or do i need to build a plug or image
19:45<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
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19:46<craigevil>!Adobe Flash
19:46<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta>
19:46<ml|>zynon: on lenny?
19:46<zynon>yeah the others might not work with youtube, im a youtube alcholic
19:46<zynon>ml|: yeah
19:46<ml|>dpkg: tell zynon abot dmm lenny
19:46<ml|>dpkg: tell zynon about dmm lenny
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19:47<ml|>zynon: did you already add non-free repos?
19:48<zynon>if im not mistaken yes i have..
19:48<ml|>just incase...
19:48<zynon>did that at first cause i know some packages are ot in
19:48<ml|>ok no need then to bother dpkg
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19:51<zynon>ml|: whats the name of the packge
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19:52<locklace>zynon: "aptitude search flash"
19:52<zynon>sweet thnks
19:53<ml|>heh that is what i did, but might know which one to use
19:53<zynon>heh, yeah lookin at them right now
19:55<ml|>hah and above from what dpkg said ;)
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19:59<zynon>: GPG error: lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
19:59<zynon>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
19:59<zynon>what the hell lol i just did updatewierdo
20:00<ml|>dpkg: tell zynon about dmm
20:00<ml|>zynon: just install dmm key
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20:01<zynon>nah ill get it mabey
20:02<ml|>heh if you don't aptitude you will not have it
20:03<zynon>workin on that
20:03<zynon>need to run for now, gota get a few things down
20:03<zynon>down = done
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20:13<slipshot>anyone know anything about fvwm? i have a fairly simple problem with my res
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20:14<slipshot>i need it to start in 1024x768
20:16<slipshot>+ I Test (x xrandr) Exec pidof xrandr -s 1024x768 || exec xrandr -s 1024x768 <-- i have that line in my startup file and it does setr it to the right res, but it looks like part of my desktop is gone
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20:17<slipshot>dose anyone at least know the fvwm crystal reload command so i can add it to the start script?
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20:18<smaffler>hi :) can someone direct me to the kde help?
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20:19<ml|>smaffler: #debian-kde ??
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20:20<smaffler>thanks ml :)
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20:44<deniz>if the output of glxinfo has the word "slow" repeating numerous times, what does this indicate?
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20:46<deniz>jrabbit, could you tell me please? :(
20:46<locklace>dpkg: qotd247 is <reply><deniz> if the output of glxinfo has the word "slow" repeating numerous times, what does this indicate?
20:46<dpkg>locklace: okay
20:46<ml|>locklace: hah
20:46<ml|>deniz: maybe it's slow?
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20:47<deniz>ml|, no i meant as in like what is slow?
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20:49<interbird>beauty is in the eye of the beholder; something is only slow if experienced as so...
20:49<ml|>deniz: ok, but you might want to specify next time
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20:50<deniz>interbird, ml| read the last post here:
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20:53<deniz>sorry for what?
20:53<ml|>deniz: sorry no idea i don't have ati card
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20:55<bja>ml|: I just remembered what was the other factoid locklace loved :)
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20:56<deniz>ml|, o sorry i just feel like this is the hardest problem ive ever faced in debian
20:56<deniz>it probably has a super simple solution too
20:56<ml|>bja: haha
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20:57<ml|>deniz: be patient i know it sucks keep at it, you will find a solution
20:57<deniz>lol im patient cuz in the old ubuntu days where i had dial-up ive been at it for like 6 months i think
20:57<deniz>to get internet working
20:58<interbird>"old ubuntu days" do not exist yet...
20:59<deniz>i dint meant as extinction i meant as in im with debian now and for a pretty long time
21:00<interbird>"old debian days" do exist...
21:00<bja>Is there a way to recover a qotd i had one on 245 and it was written over.
21:01<deniz>interbird, lol well im 17
21:02<deniz>and i hope debian never dies :)
21:02<interbird>by body or by mind ?
21:02<deniz>by body, is that an insult?
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21:02<interbird>insult ? to who ?
21:03<deniz>to me cuz it sounds like ur suggesting im an idiot or sumtin but just askin
21:04<deniz>anyways i dont feel like arguing lol whatever u meant
21:04<bja>deniz: What is your native language, out of curiosity?
21:04<interbird>no way, i meant that...
21:04<deniz>bja, well im canadian
21:05<adb>fr ?
21:05<interbird>that's ok
21:05<deniz>i speak english, french, turkish, greek and can understand spanish somewhat
21:05<interbird>parlez vous francais ?
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21:05<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
21:05<deniz>interbird, lol ya i do speak french
21:05<dpkg>yes master, I'll STFU
21:06<interbird>i like french
21:06<deniz>interbird, ur francophone?
21:06<interbird>it's a *beatiful* labguage
21:06<bja>deniz: You didn't answer my question
21:07<deniz>well native meaning the first languages i spoke? greek and turkish but im best at eng followed by french then greek then turkish
21:07<deniz>spanish im not rely fluent in
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21:07<deniz>and yes i no i misspell lots of things, its not cuz i dont no how to spell but i like to save a few keys if u no wat i mean
21:07<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
21:07<interbird>to be able to speak languages opens worlds
21:08<deniz>interbird, yes also job oppurtunities as people say but im still in school
21:08<bja>deniz: Avoid that, it makes life for non native english speakers a pain to follow you
21:08<morbidchimp>saving keys saves bandwidth. leet talk will save the environment. tcp/ip already to big without all those extra characters
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21:09<rg>alguem fala portugues ?
21:09<ml|>bja: no way to recover that i know of
21:09<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
21:09<interbird>deniz: what do you learn at your school ?
21:09<bja>ml|: thx
21:10<morbidchimp>or l33t as some might call it. teenagers mostly. young folk
21:10<bja>i had a great one of dr|z3d
21:10<deniz>lol that's a weird question but, my strengths are math, physics and chemistry
21:10<morbidchimp>sry. i joined random channel cause bored. its late
21:10<deniz>of course now its my summer and im in lazy mode
21:10<rg>alguem ae fala portugues ?
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21:10<rg>debian:/home/rg# tar -jxvf firefox-3.5.tar.bz2
21:10<rg>tar: bzip2: Não é possível exec: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado
21:10<rg>tar: Erro não é recuperável: saindo agora
21:10<rg>tar: Child returned status 2
21:10-!-rg was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
21:10<bja>rg: /j #debian-br
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21:11<rg>what is my problem ?
21:11<adb>rg: ask #firefox
21:11<bja>rg: /j #debian-pt
21:11<rg>bja nao tem ninguem la
21:11<adb>bja: no
21:11<interbird>rg: what do you want to do ?
21:11<interbird>rg: install ff ?
21:12<bja>rg: ok
21:12<bja>rg #debian-br alguien alla?
21:12<rg>sim mas ninguem fala nada!
21:12<interbird>rg: can you talk english ?
21:13<rg>my problem is install firefox
21:13<adb>rg: ask #firefox , here firefox is not supported
21:13<interbird>rg: wat system is running on your computer? (debian, ubuntun,...)
21:14<interbird>rg: what firefox is on other systems is iceweasel on debian, does that help you ?
21:14<bja>rg buena suerto parto
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21:15<morbidchimp>how come is iceweasel and not firefox on debian anyhow? sry to butt in again. but installed a debian box the other day and was just surprised (after becomming used to ubuntu) to see iceweasel
21:15<adb>!why iceweasel
21:15<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
21:15<rg>one moment please
21:15<adb>morbidchimp: ^^
21:16<morbidchimp>i guess many ppl do ask that question then
21:16<dpkg>it has been said that dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at
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21:18<rg>I would like to install the flash-player in my browser can be konqueror or iceweasel but I am not getting sucessso
21:18<interbird>Debian is like a seed breaking to the pavement just to see it's children already above
21:18<ml|>dpkg: tell rg about flash
21:18<ml|>dpkg: tell rg about adobe flash
21:18<ml|>dpkg: tell rg about dmm
21:18<dpkg>i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
21:19<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
21:19<dpkg>Apple Macintoshes are prime candidates for Debian installs, at least the m68k-based ones. or acceptable in many powerpc forms... Ask Peidran about that... or Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs, or the hardware address of a network card, or the name of Apple computers. MAC, Media Access Control (ask me about <mac change>).
21:19<dpkg>hmm... hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on
21:19<dpkg>well, turd is a wannabe HaXor
21:19<adb>dpkg: tell interbird about selfask
21:19<ml|>hmm why the spam
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21:19<noflash>schools out
21:20<morbidchimp>cuz i get tidbits of useless information from random words i can attach a ! to
21:20<ml|>dpkg: tell interbird about selftell
21:20<adb>dpkg: tell interbird about selftell
21:20<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
21:20<ml|>dpkg: tell morbidchimp about selftell
21:20<morbidchimp>nice. ta
21:21<ml|>leave dpkg alone!
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21:22<interbird>come'on, dpkg has just been sick and loves all the attention !
21:23<ml|>interbird: you know better
21:25<rg>artista_frustrado pvt
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21:27<interbird>Why did Lenny release with gnome 2.22 and nautilus 2.20 ?
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21:29<morbidchimp>is it ok to abuse dpkg in private?
21:29<ml|>morbidchimp: well be nice
21:30<morbidchimp>only. he just called me a moron
21:30<morbidchimp>so in a sense, he started it
21:30<ml|>haha, well ask good questions
21:32<interbird>good questions are hard to find these days
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21:33<jmarsden>interbird: See for ideas :)
21:33<morbidchimp>i was told there is no such thing as bad questions, only stupid answers
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21:33<interbird>both actually do not exist...
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21:34<ml|>morbidchimp: you are dealing with a bot not a human ;)
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21:37<interbird>jmarsden: nice link, i like esr too
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21:38<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about reference
21:38<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about install guide
21:38<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about sources.list
21:38<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about sid
21:38<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about sid faq
21:39<adb>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about selftell
21:39<morbidchimp>it is obvious I am dealing with a sentient being, far more intelligent than I
21:39<ml|>adb: yes nice one :)
21:39<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about dpkgbot
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21:40<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about testing
21:40<adb>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about grounding
21:41<adb>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about bbl
21:41<ml|>adb: hah
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21:43<nomatter001>thx and gn8
21:44<interbird>but sometimes esr thinks he speaks for all of the oss persons, and i don't like him assuming that position
21:44*morbidchimp never assumes the position
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21:45*interbird likes pos 69
21:45<adb>Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>
21:45<adb>interbird: ^^
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21:46<ml|>adb: :)
21:47<interbird>so, let's have doc ! :-)
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21:51<interbird>i got a popup that i am to long onine, it's a "ergonomic" program that coasts $59, it has two buttons: cancel & mute, which one should i press ?
21:52<jerrcs>Any idea why I'm getting this on my 100mbit server? I did ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 and it still resets to 10mbit half-duplex:
21:52<jerrcs>Jul 3 18:50:06 ares kernel: [5924771.613239] eth0: link down
21:52<jerrcs>Jul 3 18:50:06 ares kernel: [5924771.831628] eth0: link up, 10Mbps, half-duplex, lpa 0x0000
21:53<jerrcs>01:05.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
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21:54<adb>jerrcs: use switch /router 100 capable ?
21:54<ml|>and card?
21:54<adb> card is ok
21:54<interbird>what does it connect to? does it "negociate" with a 10mbps device like an old router/switch ?
21:54<jerrcs>oh yes, it used to work on 100mbit.
21:54<FeDeR77>I need to know how to request a package upgrade... There's a package that the developer ceased support for that version (and the developer recommends to upgrade to a newer version), but Sid still using the old version... Anyone can tell where I can get information on request a package upgrade ? Thx.
21:55<jerrcs>the switch should be fully capable of 100mbit.
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21:55<ml|>adb: it is mine is 8169 just looked low 8139*
21:55<adb>jerrcs: it seems no
21:56<jerrcs>i'm wondering if it's something incorrect set on the provider side.
21:56<interbird>FeDeR77: a debian-package is different from a "tarball"; what 'package' are we talking about ?
21:56<ml|>FeDeR77: bts as a wishlist
21:57<interbird>define "package"
21:57<adb>ml|: 8169 is 1gb capable , no ?
21:57<adb> 8139 is 100
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21:58<FeDeR77>interbird, ml| : emesene, >> "emesene 1.0.x support ceased!"
21:58<interbird>8139 is 10 when connected to a 10 switch
21:58<ml|>for some reason forgot about 100mbit cards
22:00<adb>interbird: for that i asked about switch /routers
22:00<ml|>FeDeR77: try what i suggested can't hurt
22:00<interbird>FeDeR77: i'm not going to read the whole page... what does this software do ?
22:00<jerrcs>maybe I should talk with the provider about it?
22:00<jerrcs>It's just odd that this is happening to both server providers
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22:00<ml|>jerrcs: then maybe a hradware issue
22:01<FeDeR77>ml| ok, thx, i will google it (I'm a newbie to bugreport)
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22:01<ml|>dpkg: tell FeDeR77 about bts
22:01<jerrcs>ml|: to BOTH servers? hosted in different locations? at the same time? very weird. isn't it?
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22:01<interbird>adb: correct, so i did too; me must think alike on this problem, hope he'll pinpoint the problem...
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22:02<ml|>yes why you should check your hardware
22:02<ml|>then contact providers
22:02<FeDeR77>interbird: emesene is a python msn client... Sid has the 1.01 version but developer recommends to upgrade to 1.5
22:02<jerrcs>02:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 08)
22:02<jerrcs>thats the lspci of the other server
22:03<adb>is 100 capable
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22:03<ml|>sure about router/ switch
22:03<jerrcs>yeah I mean, i'd assume a company sells 100mbit servers should have the technology there
22:04<ml|>so this is all from them?
22:04<ml|>if it is contact them
22:05<interbird>FeDeR77: sorry from my side, don't "msn"; know pidgin is one that can do that, but have no experience with msn; sorry; Hope you find a solution
22:05<jerrcs>well it's 2 different providers, 2 different geographic locations.
22:06<adb>ml|: no, eth 10/100 is negociate with first switch/router next to pc
22:06<FeDeR77>thx interbird, I'll try reading the ml| suggestion.
22:07<interbird>(remember that SID is the UNSTABLE branch; so, if something does not work in Sid, remember that that is why sid is there...)
22:07<ml|>adb: didn't think so but he said ... < jerrcs> yeah I mean, i'd assume a company sells 100mbit servers should have the technology there
22:08<adb>well ... let him ask provider than
22:09<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about bts
22:10<adb>ml|: he's ... sleeping
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22:11<FeDeR77>interbird: everything works fine, but microsoft can change the protocol at any time they wish and developer wont correct the problem... so developer recommends to upgrade to a newer version of the tool
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22:12<adb>FeDeR77: which protocol?
22:13<FeDeR77>dont know the name, the one that makes msn chat (and other functions) work
22:14<jerrcs>I am in contact with my provider regarding the port issue - thanks fellas, cheers.
22:15<adb>jerrcs: and he says ?
22:15<adb>heh ..
22:15<interbird>Microsoft? You mean that company that said they would never implement odf in their office-suites? You are right that microsoft changes protocols, but in these days, this practice only works against them and they are too big to see
22:15<jerrcs>oh, nothing really yet, but it might be an issue with the switch because something has screwed up like that before
22:16<ml|>adb: yes but can't hurt he will read in the am ;)
22:16<adb>ml|: sure ..
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22:17<FeDeR77>interbird, I dont like Microsoft, but I like to chat with some friends. I dont like capitalism too, but I need to live in it.
22:17<adb>FeDeR77: they can't change nothing ..
22:18<FeDeR77>I dont like capitalism *neither* (my english is very poor, sorry)
22:19<interbird>FeDeR77: things are simple my friend; refrain from closed stuff and tell your friends the same; you can chat with friends using open-source software; even better.... nobody understands that protocol... :-)
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22:33<adb>ml|: never seen you on #d-offtopic on freenode , sadly ..
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22:34<ml|>adb: i see no need to join two #debian & #debian-offtopic, unless i'm missing something
22:35<adb>just try ..
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22:42<interbird>in xchat, what is the opposite of the /away command ?
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22:43<adb> /connect ?
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22:52<interbird>i am using sed a lot as a filter but i get tiered with the (back)slashes; i noticed one can also use # instead of /, so / does not have to be escaped; is this a 'portable' way to express sed-commands or is gnu/sed the only sed to understand # ?
22:52<FeDeR77>interbird: /back
22:54<FeDeR77>(away question)
22:54<FeDeR77>bye bye, thanks for helping me.
22:54<interbird>take care
22:55<interbird>(when i'm gray i am away)
22:55<interbird>when i'm black i;m back
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23:16<kop>interbird : yes.
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23:48<kop>I'm upgrading a system to lenny and when I do the "aptitude upgrade" of section 4.5.6 it does not do anything, instead giving me 2 lines like: libgl1-mesa-swx11: Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package. The second error is like the first but for libgl1-mesa-glx. Do I care or should I just go ahead and do a dist-upgrade in the next step?
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23:49<ml|>kop: from etch?
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23:50<kop>ml| : Yes. The "error" is unmet dependences.
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23:51<ml|>dpkg: etch->lenny
23:51<dpkg>Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>.
23:52<kop>ml| : Well, yeah. I figure it's probably safe to just do the dist-upgrade but....
23:52<ml|>meant to send you that, oops
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23:56<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about aptitude
23:56<ml|>dpkg: tell nomatter001 about why aptitude
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