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#debian IRC Logs for 2009-07-04

---Logopened Sat Jul 04 00:00:26 2009
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00:09<drakeman>ml|, heyy, giving some apt lessons.. hehe.
00:10<ml|>drakeman: yes
00:10<drakeman>ml|, nice!
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00:11<drakeman>ml|, im fully using only aptitude now too :D
00:11<drakeman>ml|, no more apt-get
00:11<ml|>!win drakeman
00:11<dpkg>Congratulations, drakeman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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00:24<sney>oh man aol cds
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00:24<sney>what a waste those were
00:25<sney>at least with the floppies you could reuse them
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00:25<drakeman>sney, hey man now i have the michael jackson collection, in 20 years its going to worth like 50,000 xD
00:25<Patrickaaaa>whats a good antivirus for ubuntu
00:26<sney>I have a Canadian-made vinyl copy of Thriller
00:26<sney>it's totally less platinum than the US one.
00:26<sney>I kinda thought about selling it but I'd rather keep it
00:26<adb>Patrickaaaa: ask #ubuntu
00:26<drakeman>sney, nice.......,
00:26<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, hey why you want an antivirus?
00:26<drakeman>sney, keep it man, you dont know in 10 years or more
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00:27<sney>clamav and f-prot are the only linux AVs worth talking about, but you're not gonna see viruses unless you're hosting a SMB share.
00:27<Patrickaaaa>to protect myself
00:27<adb>drakeman: he use ubuntu ?
00:27<Patrickaaaa>from vulnerbilitys
00:28<Patrickaaaa>there are too many flaws
00:28<drakeman>adb, mmm but same, why an antivirus? even with ubuntu
00:28<sney>ok, show of hands, how many people here have seen a linux machine infected with a virus?
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00:29<sney>Patrickaaaa: if you really want to protect yourself, learn how to use iptables.
00:29<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, want a good av? use debian :D
00:29<adb>drakeman: win (ex)user psychose?
00:29<Patrickaaaa>well i dont exactly need an antiv virus
00:29<Patrickaaaa>but have you guys seen how easy it is to access a system
00:29<sney>iptables, man. it's the best software firewall in the world.
00:30<sney>and if you get really good at it, you can also get paid to do it
00:30<Patrickaaaa>using nmap nessus and metaploit
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00:30<Patrickaaaa>oh i c
00:30<Patrickaaaa>will this block intruders?
00:31<Patrickaaaa>i needs something thats going to let me know whos on my network
00:31<sney>it can block or allow or filter any network activity depending on what you're doing
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00:31<Patrickaaaa>i need some kind of network monitor to monitor my network
00:31<sney>for watching network activity, a packet sniffer is what you want.
00:31<sney>the good one when I was doing that was ethereal. there might be something better now
00:31<Patrickaaaa>what program should i use?
00:32<sney>I think ettercap and ethereal are related
00:32<adb>Patrickaaaa: realy go ask #ubuntu
00:32<drakeman>adb, so mean
00:32<sney>but he's not asking ubuntu related questions
00:32<Patrickaaaa>I was using wireshark but it doesn't tell me whats going on my network only only let me chooses one median
00:32<sney>honestly he should be in #security or something
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00:33<sney>maybe freenode #selinux
00:33<Patrickaaaa>how do i join other security channal
00:33<sney>normally with the /join command, but I think all those channels are on the Freenode irc network, not this one.
00:34<Patrickaaaa>what does that mean?
00:34<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, what irc client are you using?
00:34<sney>then /server in the new tab
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00:35<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, do what sney said to you.
00:35<Patrickaaaa>its asking me for the channel
00:35<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, when you are on freenode server type ./j #selinux without the .
00:36<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, if you have the window asking you for a channel type just selinux
00:36<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, and enter!
00:36<Patrickaaaa>thank you
00:36<Patrickaaaa>got it
00:37<Patrickaaaa>I accidently stumbled onto this channel since its right next to ubuntu
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00:37<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, ok, you are welcome to come back, and to change to debian if you want :D
00:37<Patrickaaaa>and curiosity crossed my mind and now I'm woundering why you guys choose debian
00:38<Patrickaaaa>What is the different between debian and ubuntu
00:38<Patrickaaaa>arn't they pratically related
00:38<adb>same as you , we like it
00:38<Patrickaaaa>well i'm actually new to linux
00:38<Patrickaaaa>I don't know about other distro
00:39<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, me too, in the very beginning i startet with ubuntu, but 1 month after using ubuntu, i switched to debian and here i am, using debian :D
00:39<Patrickaaaa>I think ubuntu is more popular
00:39<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, there is a lot of distros, you can see a lot of distros here
00:40<Patrickaaaa>Yea there are a lot
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00:40<Patrickaaaa>I'm actually on backtrack 4
00:40<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, yes, is very popular, and most for new users, because is easy to use... but you want to learn or not?
00:40<Patrickaaaa>but built on ubuntu i guess
00:40<Patrickaaaa>I do want to learn yea
00:41<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, debian is the father of ubuntu :D
00:41<Patrickaaaa>what do people have against backtrack 4
00:41<Patrickaaaa>ah i c
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00:41<Patrickaaaa>well i know a couple of basic commands
00:41<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, well first time i read about backtrack, ubuntu is a debian based distro!
00:41<Patrickaaaa>ah i c
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00:41<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, and if backtrack is ubuntu based, then is debian based too.
00:42<Patrickaaaa>I don't really know if backtrack is unbuntu
00:42<Patrickaaaa>have you heard of backtrack
00:42<sney>I wonder why so many linux neophytes wind up using backtrack
00:42<sney>I blame the goons
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00:43<Patrickaaaa>I think people who are really curious
00:43<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, BackTrack 4 is Debian/Ubuntu-based! -----source -------------->
00:43<Patrickaaaa>Ah i c
00:43<sney>it's a "security-oriented" (read: t3h h4x0rz) linux livecd distro, ml|
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00:44<ml|>!start a distro war
00:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
00:44<Patrickaaaa>it is security oriented
00:44<Patrickaaaa>I'm actually using backtrack for learning puposes
00:45<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
00:45<ml|>most linux distro's are secure enough unless the user screws it up
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00:45<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, well man if like womens, not every guy likes the same girl :D
00:45<Patrickaaaa>thats true
00:45<drakeman>sorry, is no if :D
00:45<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, but debian is the hottes girl :D believe me
00:45<Patrickaaaa>backtrack seems to be used for offensive security
00:45<ml|>anyways this channel is for debian guys
00:45<Patrickaaaa>the tools that comes with this distro would tell you that
00:46<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, i guess you can installl the same tools in debian.
00:46<sney>backtrack is for people who already know what they're doing
00:46<Patrickaaaa>well i'm a quick learning
00:46<sney>Patrickaaaa just jumped into the deep end headfirst, only to realize he's got no hands
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00:47<Patrickaaaa>there are videos everywhere
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00:47<Patrickaaaa>plus im in computer networking I learn about protocols
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00:47<sney>well anyway, isn't there a backtrack channel somewhere that you could bother
00:47<Patrickaaaa>the only thing that I had trouble with was command lines, but now thats not really a problem anymore
00:48<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, well is you choice man! if you want to use -M$ Guindows 7, is your choice too :D
00:48<ml|>sney: btw thanks for the info
00:48<Patrickaaaa>I'm just here to conversate thats all
00:48<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, and you are welcome :D
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00:48<ml|>but about debian :)
00:48<Patrickaaaa>yea I wasn't attacking any one
00:48<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, in this channel are very talented guys , i would say linux gurus, hehe, and newbies, like me :D
00:49<Patrickaaaa>well they don't ever talk
00:49<Patrickaaaa>ubuntu channel is populated
00:49<adb>Patrickaaaa: realy go ask #ubuntu
00:49<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, because you are not asking anything about debian or something related to debian config ..
00:49<Patrickaaaa>adb what are you blabering about
00:49<Patrickaaaa>im simply having a conversation
00:50<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
00:50<Patrickaaaa>im just here for a chat
00:50<ml|>well numbers don't mean anything you know
00:50<Patrickaaaa>dpkg = donkey kong
00:50<dpkg>Patrickaaaa: I don't know, could you explain it?
00:50<sney>if only someone would ask a debian question
00:50<Patrickaaaa>donkie kong bot hahaha
00:51<ml|>Patrickaaaa: join #debian-offtopic if you want to chitchat
00:51<adb>Patrickaaaa: you troll, that's all .
00:51<Patrickaaaa>I'm not even talking to you
00:51<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, yes man, here is for debian related question!
00:51<ml|>sney: what debian release are you on ;)
00:52<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, you can talk about donkey kong in debian-offtopic xD
00:52<ml|>yup lol
00:52<Patrickaaaa>Yea, I know but I don't think chats are suppose to be strictly ask-quest-get-answer
00:52<ml|>here it is debian related only
00:52<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, in this case like someone says, is mainly for debian support questions
00:52<Patrickaaaa>besides you've already stated that ubuntu is debian base
00:53<drakeman>Patrickaaaa, yes.. it is.
00:53<Patrickaaaa> so therefore i am on the topic
00:53<ml|>so join #ubuntu
00:53<Patrickaaaa>its debian relatedw
00:53<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
00:53<ml|>so not on topic here
00:53<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:54<ml|>adb: if it where only sunday ;)
00:54<Patrickaaaa>is this really how chat room suppose to be
00:54<Patrickaaaa>have fun
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00:54<drakeman>adb, got tired of him :D
00:55<ml|>sney: you didn't answer my question
00:55<sney>is it too much to ask for people to actually kind of vaguely know how linux works before they go all YES I AM LEET HAXOR USING BACKTRACK
00:55<sney>I am on squeeze
00:55<ml|>haha yes
00:55<ml|>sney: thanks :)
00:56<ml|>me too btw :)
00:56<drakeman>i talked to him because is newbie like me :D
00:56<sney>not on this computer, though. I'm using my windows box right now. >_>
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00:56<ml|>!lart sney
00:56*dpkg chops sney in half with a free AOL CD
00:56<sney>AOL CDs everywhere!
00:56*sney drowns
00:56<drakeman>sney, i have a full collection :D
00:56<ml|>AOL is popular tonight :) haha
00:57<drakeman>hope the collections includes AVril LAvigne's music :D
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00:58<MikeGuo>how to install compiz in debian 5.02?
00:58<MikeGuo>why I install that,
00:58<MikeGuo>when I start the compiz.
00:59<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
00:59<MikeGuo>all window have not borard,
00:59<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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01:00<adb>MikeGuo: lenny ?
01:00<ml|>dpkg: tell MikeGuo about compiz
01:00<MikeGuo>adb: yes
01:00<adb>ati ?
01:00<MikeGuo>adb: sorry.
01:00<MikeGuo>no, sqeeuz
01:00<MikeGuo>adb: no, nvidia
01:00<MikeGuo>adb: I use that in ubuntu. so, I think the video card is ok.
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01:01<ml|>dpkg: tell MikeGuo about ubuntu
01:01<ml|>dpkg: tell MikeGuo about based on debian
01:01<sney>guys, he's using squeeze
01:01<sney>he used to use ubuntu
01:01<ml|>yes, just some info
01:02<sney>do you actually read what people say or do you just see the word ubuntu and go all AAAA GET OUT OF OUR CHANNEL
01:02<ml|>sney: no some people don't know
01:02<MikeGuo>sney, I read the document about how to configurate the video card, I am sure my video card install success, and I change the x config for enalbe composite
01:02<MikeGuo>and I can start the compiz.
01:02<MikeGuo>but just one issue.
01:03<sney>I've never actually used compiz so I won't be much help to you, sorry
01:03<MikeGuo>my all window have not window border.
01:03<ml|>MikeGuo: how did install nvidia drivers
01:03<sney>but at least I know asking the bot to tell you about ubuntu isn't relevant to the question at hand.
01:03<MikeGuo>seny: thanks.
01:03<MikeGuo>ml|, I download that driver, and stop X, and use that package install the driver.
01:04<ml|>from nvidia?
01:04<MikeGuo>ghw@ghw:~$ lsmod|grep nvidia
01:04<MikeGuo>nvidia 10262056 26
01:04<MikeGuo>i2c_core 27936 2 nvidia,i2c_nforce2
01:04<MikeGuo>ml|, yes
01:04<adb>!nvidia m-a
01:04<dpkg>The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see
01:04<adb>MikeGuo: ^^
01:04<ml|>dpkg: tell MikeGuo about nvidia
01:05<MikeGuo>urmm, I am sure, the nvidia video card work for me.
01:05<ml|>MikeGuo: read messages from dpkg
01:05<MikeGuo>ml|: ok.
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01:07<ml|>sney: what i was trying to get across is that, just because it worked in ubuntu doesn't mean it will work on debian and if it does you need to do things differently
01:08<sney>but that's not what dpkg's messages say, they say that asking for ubuntu support is off topic here. you can communicate your own message yourself.
01:08<ml|>some people don't get that
01:08<sney>just berating people with the bot is a little excessive and off-putting sometimes.
01:09<ml|>that's why i also sent the based on debian message
01:09<sney>just, think before you !
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01:09<ml|>well i find dpkg helpful, why type the info if it's already there
01:10*sney shrug
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01:11<adb>sney: some ppl here spend all day here , so type all day is bit .. hard
01:11<sney>a mixture of both can help. if we're just going to spam bot messages at people then why have anyone here supporting in the first place
01:12<ml|>sney: so i was spaming?
01:12<sney>if you can say something faster and clearer than the bot can, why not do it
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01:13<sney>well, Im a new guy here so maybe I'm out of line, if you guys have made your decisions then don't let me cramp your style
01:15*adb up 21 days
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01:15<ml|>adb: hah no sleep in 21 days?
01:15<adb>yes Sir !
01:16<ml|>!win adb
01:16<dpkg>Congratulations, adb! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
01:16*adb beauty..
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01:20<drakeman>!congratulate adb
01:20<dpkg>Yay adb, you did it!
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02:10<drakeman>hey good night!!! see you tomorrow guys!
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02:30*less sips from his morning coffee
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02:53<Simone>I've a problem with debian installation...
02:56<Simone>I've create the instalaltion cd with "debian-502-alpha-netinst" but when I restart the PC the cd doesnt run...But I've set from boot CD-ROM like first unit...
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02:58<enouf>Simone: i take it you have alpha ARCH hardware?
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02:59<Simone>What patch have I to download?
02:59<enouf>Simone: erm .. that's why then ;-)
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02:59<enouf>no patch
02:59<enouf>Simone: which CPU is in the machine?
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03:00<Simone>Amd athlon?
03:00<enouf>ok, getting close .. you can definitely use i386 ARCH
03:01<ml|>seems you are not sure
03:01<enouf>Simone: if it's a k8 you can also use amd64 ARCH
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03:01<Simone>i try
03:02<Simone>I download i386 and I write it on my CD, right?
03:03<Lethalman>Simone, only athlon? not athlon 64?
03:03<enouf>Simone: if the cpu is a 64bit Athlon (k8), like an opteron, or even an intel core2duo etc, the amd64 arch will give you a 64bit kernel + 64bit userland
03:03<git-high>i am having a problem with my puter, when booting up, i cant <del> into by bios, nor can i use my keyboard on the grub screen, but when X comes up, the keyboard works - strange :S
03:03<enouf>ok, then i386
03:03<ml|>yes with cd burning software
03:04<Lethalman>git-high, I don't know but... usb keyboard + old bios?
03:04<git-high>old ps2 keyboard !
03:04<enouf>git-high: sounds like you need to enable usb legacy support in BIOS
03:04<enouf>git-high: get a ps/2 to enter BIOS and change it
03:05<git-high>i am using a ps2 keyboard though!
03:05<git-high>maybe i ought to use a usb keyboard :P
03:06<Lethalman>git-high, ps2 is always prone to break, try an usb one if you have it
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03:06<Lethalman>I mean the ps2 port
03:06<git-high>mkay, ive got one and i'll give it a shot, thanks
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03:10<Simone>AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual
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03:10<Simone>It's better [i386] or [ia64]?
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03:10<enouf>Simone: a) , but not b)
03:11<bash>does anyone know the location of pidgin?
03:11<enouf>Simone: yes, or amd64 - /msg dpkg ia64 (it')
03:11<enouf>Simone: yes, or amd64 - /msg dpkg ia64 (it's not for you)
03:11<bash>I am tring to install guifications
03:11<bash>No package 'pidgin' found
03:11<bash>No package 'purple' found
03:11<bash>Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
03:11<bash>installed software in a non-standard prefix.
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03:12<Simone>I restart..Bye
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03:12<bash>so does anyone know the location of pidgin?
03:12<sney>bash: you need to install the dev packages, like libpurple-dev
03:13<sney>from apt
03:13<bash>No package 'pidgin' found
03:13<sney>aptitude search pidgin
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03:14<enouf>git-high: is it possible the del key is broken? keyboard bad? if not the BIOS might also have ps/2 on/off etc - try a usb one, for now, i use usb keys+mouse with ps/2 adapters :-P
03:14<sney>there should be a pidgin-dev or a libpidgin-dev or something like that but I'm not at my debian machine right now and I don't know offhand what it's called
03:15<enouf>git-high: i've heard of that 'can't use grub menu' issue though - i forget if i ever found the cause
03:15<sney>hey, I guess it's pidgin-dev.
03:15<sney>you could have guessed that. a lot of these things are pretty obviously named
03:17*Lethalman wonders why scilab is under programming menu
03:17<git-high>enouf, yea, i think it started happening when i was messing around with changing and plugging different stuff into my usb different
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03:19<gsimmons>bash: Why don't you just install the pidgin-guifications package?
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03:20<bash>i didn't even know there was one XD
03:21<bash>the ones in the repo is 2.14-3...
03:21<bash>Its pretty old..
03:21<bash>and i am running sid too :/
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03:25<Simone>I've a problem with Debian something got wrong when I try to install it
03:25<Simone>It says "Grub Loading, please wait" Error 17
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03:29<enouf>!grub errors
03:29<dpkg>methinks grub.errors is grub error X? go to to find out what it means
03:30<enouf>17 : Cannot mount selected partition This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.""
03:31<Simone>It says "Grub Loading, please wait" Error 17: ?
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03:32<enouf>Simone: you using LVM? take /boot off of LVM and make a small 100MB (or a bit larger partition) for /boot -- or, is your system already using Windows and some sort of Mainboard RAID?
03:32<Simone>I've Windows and Ubuntu
03:32<Simone>The only thing I can do is AwardBIOS
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03:35<enouf>Simone: please read the installation guide - Did you install Debian already fully? If ubuntu is installed, you don't need to reinstall grub anywhere, if you already have it installed from Ubuntu -- just edit your menu.lst and add a Debian stanza
03:36<Simone>Yes but now what can I do?
03:36<enouf>answer some questions, so we can help you?
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03:37<Simone>What questions?
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03:37<enouf>!8ball do we, at #debian as a whole, have the ability to be psychics?
03:37<dpkg>Please ask again.
03:37<enouf>!8ball can we read Simone 's mind?
03:38<Simone>What have I to tell you?
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03:38<Simone>Have I to reinstall debian?
03:38<enouf>Did you install Debian already fully? < enouf> Simone: you using LVM?
03:38<Simone>My debian installation failed
03:39<Simone>What is LVM?
03:39<enouf>Did you reinstall Grub when installing debian? Was Grub ever installed? is that what you used to boot Ubuntu and Windows prior to installing Debian?
03:39<enouf>Simone: how did it fail?
03:39<enouf>how would it work/boot if the installation failed?
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03:40<Simone>The electric system was down for some seconds
03:41<enouf>Simone: i'm afraid i can't help much more at the moment - i wish you well
03:41<Simone>I don't know if I reinstalled Grub and I don't know id I had grub
03:41<Simone>And what do i have to do?
03:46<Simone>what can I run windows?
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03:57<tuxcrafter>hi all what debian package can i install to make something respond when i press the powerbutton
03:57<tuxcrafter>i want the system to close
03:57<tuxcrafter>xbindkeys --key does not detect anything
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04:04<mosno>tuxcrafter: i would have thought that's related to ACPI somehow, but i'm not sure what package you're after
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04:08<enouf>hi folks; I'm looking through and cannot find the answer; Question is, does the Error ( especially Stage2 list apply to grub2? I would think not, but that's why i'm asking
04:08<enouf>crap - wrong window and wrong network :-p
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04:09<Simone>enouf, Could I do anything from Windows Prompt?
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04:15<enouf>Simone: i'm having trouble understanding you
04:15<Simone>i've Grub error 17
04:15<cahoot>Simone: windows can kill/overwrite grub - not repair it
04:15<enouf>tuxcrafter: maybe acpi-support-* pkgs? perhaps "laptop-mode" installs that stuff, needs to be tweaked?
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04:16<Simone>cahoot, and so what can i do with debian installation cd?
04:16<Simone>I think nothing
04:16<geophoenix>hello , Is the a way to recover the passphrase of gnupgp key ?
04:17<bash>make sure you have the correct setup...
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04:17<bash>I had error 17 before because it thought that my IDE HDD was HDD 1 when it was 2
04:17<Simone>Yes I've the corret setup but while I was installing debian the electric system went down
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04:17<bash>so i changed it to 1 and reinstalled grub and now its works fine
04:18<bash>changed it to 1 through bios
04:18<enouf>cahoot: just to catch you up; Simone supposedly has Ubuntu and Windows installed, tried installing Debian (yet didn't know he didn't want ALPHA arch, not IA64 one, go figure), and supposedly his/her Debian Installation attempt (stil don't know whether i386 or amd64) failed! and all i get from them what they keep parroting
04:20<enouf>... and if they installed grub twice (once for ubuntu, once for debian) who knows where the menu.lst they see is coming from
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04:24<enouf>but bash is certainly correct as well (in certain circumstances) .. i was thinking s/he's trying to boot some older LVM ubuntu installation or something or worse
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04:25<enouf>Simone: if you can get to menu.lst, hit ESC (to obtain grub shell), then try "find /boot/grub/stage1" ; then also "root (hd<TAB>" <--- each using no quotations, and <TAB> == Tab Key on keyboard
04:26<Simone>I don't know how to open menu.lst because:
04:26<enouf>Simone: /msg dpkg rescue mode -- if you want to try and reinstall grub
04:26<Simone>-I haven't got ubuntu cd
04:26<enouf>ubuntu cds are bad for that anyway
04:26<Simone>-I don't know how to open it by windows/debian
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04:27<bash>well your on a comp right?
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04:27<bash>So y dont you download a live CD?
04:27<enouf>Simone: so menu.lst (the grub GUI menu, where you select which OS or Kernel to boot) never appears?
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04:28<enouf>Simone: try for a live rescue cd, or do what [dpkg] told you
04:29<enouf>Simone: menu.lst has to appear in order for you to get to any of those Stage2 errors, (IINM) such as the error 17 one you mentioned
04:30<enouf>but .. well .. nm
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04:32<Simone>Do I have to run debian cd?
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04:40<Simone>enouf, Is normal that if I enter fdisk -l windows doesn't appaer?
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04:40<cahoot>you mean the windows partition
04:41<cahoot>they're all on the same disk?
04:41<cahoot>you mean the windows partition doesn't exist according to fdisk?
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04:44<Simone>I can't see it
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04:46<cahoot>Simone: what partitions do show up?
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04:48<Simone>But I'm afraid windows partition was deleted
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04:48<Simone>Because in system I see: Linux, Extended and Linux swap / Solaris
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04:48<cahoot>where do/did you expect windows - what partition?
04:49<Simone>I don't know
04:49<Simone>I think sda1
04:49<cahoot>Simone: was windows present on the system before you install ubuntu?
04:49<Simone>but I'm not sure
04:50<Simone>Windows-Ubuntu and this morning debian
04:50<cahoot>then I'd guess win to be on sda1
04:50<Simone>Why does System appear Linux?
04:50<Simone>And how can i ripristinate it?
04:51<cahoot>Simone: if you had a
04:52<cahoot>Simone: if you had an electrical disruption when installing grub I can image all sorts of corruption affecting your partition table
04:52<Simone>What can i do?
04:53<cahoot>beyond me
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04:55<Simone>If I reinstall widndows can I sort out the problem
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04:56<cahoot>Simone: installing windows doesn't seem like a valid method to solve any problem ;)
04:56<Simone>So what can I do...
04:56<Simone>At the moment it's the only method
04:57<cahoot>Simone: ok
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04:57<Simone>But reinstalling windows after will I be able to save the dates in old windows and ubuntu system?
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04:59<cahoot>Simone: if you can persuade windows to leave the rest of you partitions untouched - I guess so
05:00<Simone>But if I do that my old dates will be lost
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05:33<unni>installed debian lenny intel 915 GAV my microphone is not working. though speakers are working. tried a few things with alsa no result
05:33<unni>can anyone help?
05:35<cahoot>unni: I found gamix usable
05:36<cahoot>(with some patient tinkering)
05:36<unni>i will try
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05:41<slush>Simone: you'd be better of not to install anything yet, untill you are sure your data is save .. Use a livecd or something like Ultimate Boot cd (google and find it)
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05:43<Simone>I've deleted all partitions
05:43<Simone>Now i'm installling windows
05:43<Simone>After taht I will try to reinstall debian
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05:46<alys>Please, what is the application/applet - whatever - that will 'kill' a 'frozen' application? Can I use aptitude to download it? Thanks.
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05:47<locklace>alys: kill
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05:47<wekt>alys: command line or GUI?
05:48<wekt>alys: Control-Alt-Escape Then you should see a skull and crossbones. Click on app to kill X connection. There are other apps for killing processes.
05:48<locklace>alys: just run "ps ax | less" to look at your processes and then "kill" to kill the process id you want. or use "pkill <name>" where <name> is the name of the process
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05:49<wekt>alys: the CLI program killall is convenient too.
05:49<alys>Thanks to you all - I shall try both suggestions
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05:51<alys>wekt: Control-Alt-Escape works just fine - thank you.
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05:59<start>do you know if inorder to upgrade ocfs2-tools to 1.4.2 from 1.4.1 , there is a need to upgrade the kernel module too?
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06:26<aardvarX>does anyone know of anything like pan2, but it runs in a terminal like slrn?
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06:30<kaktycenok>I am looking how to automatically load a module during boot. In Internet I found a solution, but it says that I need to add the module name to /etc/modules. On my Lenny I don't have such file.
06:32<valdyn>kaktycenok: which module?
06:33<kaktycenok>It is for bluetooth
06:33<valdyn>kaktycenok: just create the file
06:34<kaktycenok>and add the name of module?
06:34<aardvarX>ive got it on my machine, for some reason it has 'loop' in it :S
06:35<kaktycenok>and /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf?
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06:35<kaktycenok>aardvarX, thanks
06:35<kaktycenok>valdyn, thanx
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06:36<kaktycenok>does anyoune tried to establish a bluetooth Network Access Point on Debain?
06:36<aardvarX>then i think you can depmod -a
06:36<aardvarX>and lsmod
06:37<kaktycenok>aardvarX, before creating /etc/modules and adding bnep in it?
06:38<kaktycenok>aardvarX, after?
06:38<aardvarX>either way, wateva, you arent going to hurt anything
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06:39<kaktycenok>So, at first I need to made /etc/modules and add bnep, and then depmod -a and lsmod?)
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06:41<valdyn>kaktycenok: no
06:41<valdyn>kaktycenok: just add the module name ( bnep ) to that file
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06:47<aardvarX>ive been reading up on man modules, and i hope im telling you right cus they are saying /lib/modules/version is where modules.dep is.
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06:47<aardvarX>kaktycenok, did that work for you?
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06:49<aardvarX>kaktycenok, did that work for you?
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06:49<kaktycenok>Thank you very much!
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06:50<kaktycenok>My PC rebooted, I made lsmod |grep bnep and found it
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06:50<aardvarX>mmm, i wasn't sure anymore :P been awhile
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06:52<unixno0b>hey guys =) i have a little problem... I have debian lenny installed into entire space of my 160g sata hdd. Trying to connect my two hdds(sata, having ntfs partitions) but when plugging them in i cannot boot debian. it stops with something like "Waiting for root filesystem". and hangs up. any ideas? i need info on those HDDs and use them as a space to store data.
06:55<kaktycenok>on my PC (which is actually plays the role of router) I have ppp0 (a VPN connection to Internet) and eth1 (my local network), I want to set up a bluetooth Network Access Point, but can't find how to share ppp0 to it/
06:55<unixno0b>one guy adviced me to use UUID system for fstab i did it: , the old one was but it didn't helped me either. =/
06:57<locklace>unixno0b: paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst
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06:59<unixno0b>it only contains debian.
06:59<unixno0b>nothing else.
07:00<slush>that's not what you've been asked
07:00<slush>use pastebin to show us your menu.lst
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07:06<locklace>unixno0b: try (backing up menu.lst and) changing root=/dev/sda3 to root=UUID=ad4ade0f-7ffe-4df1-b567-7e730dfcb6d1
07:06<unixno0b>locklace just now though about this... :/ thx i'll try
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07:10<hever>I'm getting NO_PUBKEY 394D199524C52AC3 from debian-unofficial. There is no according keyring package and I think the problem is the key is out-dated and this is a problem on the mirror, correct?
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07:11<kaktycenok>Instruction says I need to "Get a recent 2.6.x kernel, and enable the following features, either as module or built-in: "
07:11<kaktycenok>how can I make modules?
07:11<@weasel>what are you trying to do?
07:11<hever>"gpg --list-key 394D199524C52AC3" gives me "pub 1024D/24C52AC3 2007-01-24 [expired: 2008-02-01]"
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07:12<@weasel>hever: that just shows that debian-unofficial is crap. maybe you shouldn't use it?
07:12<hever>debian-multimedia is better ? I need libdvdcss2
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07:13<hever>unofficial looked more proffessional to me (based on the website)
07:14<dpkg>dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
07:14<@weasel>one thing that can be said for marillat is that his packages usually work.
07:14<hever>I'm still talking to dpkg ;)
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07:18<Bashbin>how can I find out, what process slows down the movement of my MOUSE ?
07:18<Bashbin>when I start up the system and the X Server, my mouse works fine
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07:19<Bashbin>after a while, it slows down. This time it could have been caused by the flash plugin in firefox
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07:19<Bashbin>but firefox is already closed
07:19<Bashbin>the mouse is still slowing down
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07:21<unixno0b>locklace: hey man you really helped me :))) thanks a lot =) you just moved another uzer from win to lin ^_^ +1
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07:21<locklace>!congratulate unixno0b
07:21<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies unixno0b, you did it!
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07:22<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
07:22<hever>weasel, debian-multimedia works. and main includes only open source software perhaps patented or also blobs ?
07:22<@weasel>who knows
07:22<@weasel>it's marillat. he has an ... interesting approach to these kind of things
07:24<locklace>Bashbin: it's either your driver or your cpu. the latter is easier to deal with, run top and see if anything's eating your cpu when things are slow
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07:24<hever>i don't need that much packages. I think I'll verify it for those packages.
07:25<locklace>hever: i had the same concerns about dmm. basically what i found out was, there's no point trying to figure it out. no one knows, and if you want decent a/v support, you have to use it.
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07:26<locklace>hever: fortunately it usually works and plays nicely with the rest of the system
07:27<hever>but I'm going to keep an eye on free / non-free software on my system. For example I installed just libdvdcss2 and I know this is GPL. If I need other packages I hope I can find it out and decide if I'm going to use it...
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07:28<abrotman>Bashbin: you're here now
07:28<Bashbin>fine :)
07:29<Bashbin>locklace :)
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07:29<Bashbin>locklace, sorry I thought nobody would answer, when I did a /quit your message showed up
07:29<Bashbin>locklace, after that I did not find the right server again
07:29<Bashbin>I was on freenode ... sorry *g*
07:30<Bashbin>locklace, "top" is OK, no bad process, the "heaviest" one eats 3.2 % CPU
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07:32<kaktycenok>in which package is "make"?
07:32<locklace>Bashbin: it's going to be some nasty issue with your video driver then. this would be a good time to start providing detailed information on your graphics card, x video driver and kernel version
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07:32<locklace>kaktycenok: make
07:33<kaktycenok>locklace, what packages do I need for making kernel modules?
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07:33<Bashbin>locklace, it seems as if you would really want to dig in deeper, so I'm gonna gratefully provide the desired informations in a few moments
07:34<gsimmons>kaktycenok: What are you trying to do, specifically?
07:35<kaktycenok>gsimmons, I want to establish a bluetooth Network Access Point.
07:35<Bashbin>locklace, /etc/X11/xorg.conf file can be seen here:
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07:36<Bashbin>locklace, the problem already existed with the default Kernel shipped with Debian "Lenny", later on I did an upgrade to Kernel 2.6.29-bpo.2-686 (according to "uname -r")
07:37<Bashbin>locklace, as I said, the problem was with the Debian Lenny's default one the same
07:37<Bashbin>locklace, is "lspci" good enough to answer your question about my graphic card?
07:38<Bashbin>locklace, lspci
07:38<gsimmons>kaktycenok: Are you attempting to follow the procedure stated in
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07:39<kaktycenok>gsimmons, yes
07:39<locklace>Bashbin: your xorg.conf doesn't have any driver info. paste your xorg.log and "lspci -knn" and someone may have an idea
07:40<kaktycenok>gsimmons, but my situation is awful. I have eth0 (for provider), eth1 (my local for 2 other PCs) and ppp0 (VPN for Internet) interfaces/
07:40<Bashbin>locklace, lspci -knn =>
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07:41<Bashbin>locklace, could the file in question "xorg.log" also be named "Xorg.0.log" ?
07:42<Bashbin>locklace, I found that one: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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07:43<locklace>that's the one
07:43<locklace>judd pciid 1002:5a62
07:43<judd>locklace: [1002:5a62] is 'RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'radeonfb' in lenny. See also
07:43<gsimmons>kaktycenok: Well, with regards to the kernel configuration, the required features are already enabled in Debian stock kernels (WRT lenny).
07:44<kaktycenok>gsimmons, my router is a simple not so modern PC
07:45<Bashbin>it especially slows down when doing CPU eating stuff... example: When I open or close a window, the mouse stops for a half a second
07:45<kaktycenok>gsimmons, so I installed just i386 Lenny
07:45<Bashbin>sometimes, it just slows
07:45<Bashbin>the mouse "hops" around like a rabbit
07:45<Bashbin>but just a little but
07:45-!-start is now known as starter
07:46<locklace>Bashbin: your radeon driver is old as hell, you should upgrade it
07:46<Bashbin>but anyway, enough not to be able to to proper work
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07:46<Bashbin>locklace, how can I do this?
07:46<locklace>Bashbin: the package currently in sid should work ok for you
07:46<locklace>judd versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon
07:46<judd>locklace: xserver-xorg-video-radeon -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 squeeze: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 sid: 1:6.12.2-2
07:47<Bashbin>locklace, I am a little afraid to mess up my sources.list with sid repos
07:48<locklace>Bashbin: don't change your sources.list, just download the package manually and install it with dpkg -i
07:48<Bashbin>locklace, please don't feel questioned, just ... well ... are you sure I am not going to get into troubles because of dependencies?
07:49<locklace>judd depends xserver-xorg-video-radeon
07:49<judd>locklace: xserver-xorg-video-radeon -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4)
07:50<Bashbin>locklace, what's the meaning to me?
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07:51<abrotman>lenny should work with the 200M
07:51<locklace>forget that, it's not the depends for the sid package
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07:51<Bashbin>locklace, sorry, I did not understand your last statement
07:51<Bashbin>should I forget about installing it?
07:52<Bashbin>or should I forget about my worries?
07:53<locklace>Bashbin: there is a package for that driver version that works fine with lenny, but it may not be the same as the current sid package
07:54<Bashbin>locklace, so which package is the one I should install?
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07:58<locklace>Bashbin: one of the last two files, according to your arch
07:58<Bashbin>thank you locklace !
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08:00<Bashbin>locklace, it worked! I'm gonna restart my computer!
08:00<Bashbin>locklace, see you soon!
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08:06<nuscire>hi, everybody. when I start the virtualbox, it'll soon be killed by the system automatically, because of its high CPU comsumption. How can I prevent this?
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08:11<Bashbin>locklace, thank you very much, until now it seems to be much better
08:11<Bashbin>locklace, may I please ask you where you found the URL you pointed me to?
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08:14<locklace>Bashbin: #radeon on
08:14<Bashbin>oh :)
08:14<Bashbin>thank you locklace!
08:14<Bashbin>thank you very, very much!
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08:14<Bashbin>I'm gonna leave now!
08:14<Bashbin>thank you :o)
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08:15<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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08:23<hever>Hi I've a new notebook with a geforce 9800M GT and I'm going to play back a DVD. This still works but the quality could be better. I'm getting artifact "lines" in the video. I've the proprietary nvidia driver installed. What can I do ?
08:24<hever>DMA is active and playing hd videos from hdd is no problem...
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08:49<RichiH>is there any tool to lock a tty session?
08:51<abrotman>RichiH: vlock
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09:21<Bashbin>why does "updatedb" not scan /media/disk/ which is my mounted, FAT32 external Harddrive?
09:22<locklace>Bashbin: cat /etc/updatedb.conf
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09:25<locklace>i know what's in it. the point was for you to look
09:25<locklace>and consult "man updatedb.conf" to make everything brutally clear, if necessary
09:25<Bashbin>locklace, well, the prunepath says /media
09:26<Bashbin>so the content of the file seems to be okay
09:26<patrikf>Bashbin: do you know what "prune" means?
09:27<Bashbin>oops ... I should have used a dictionary ;)
09:27<Bashbin>prune sounds like "use me"
09:27<Bashbin>its more the opposite *g*
09:27<abrotman>Bashbin: like to prune a bush ?
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09:28<patrikf>or a *tree*...
09:29<Bashbin>kk *g*
09:29<Bashbin>thank you :)
09:29<Bashbin>If I'd remove all the PRUNEFS types.... would updatedb be *able* to scan all file systems?
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09:30<Bashbin>I would like to allow updatedb to scan all file systems
09:30<patrikf>Bashbin: they're there for a reason. you wouldn't want updatedb to scan /proc, for example
09:30<patrikf>same for a networked file system
09:30<Bashbin>I'm talking about filesystems
09:31<patrikf>Bashbin: yes, /proc is excluded through its fs type, not its path.
09:31<Bashbin>hum ok
09:31<Bashbin>thank you
09:31<Bashbin>there are 2 more questions by the way
09:31<patrikf>Bashbin: better only remove file systems which you explicitly need.
09:31<Bashbin>what tool could I use to enable my FN keys on my laptop?
09:31<Bashbin>kubuntu automatically used most of them
09:31<patrikf>Bashbin: and having updatedb scan an external harddrive sounds stupid btw, unless it's permanently plugged in.
09:32<Bashbin>there is one which is really important, thats the "sound on / off"
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09:32<Bashbin>FN + ESC
09:32<Bashbin>patrikf, it is permanently plugged in
09:32<patrikf>Bashbin: consider having an fstab entry and the mountpoint in /mnt then
09:33<patrikf>Bashbin: the way I guess you're setting it up now, you'll also randomly scan usb sticks etc. if they happen to be plugged in while updatedb is run
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09:41<tim167>hi i want to install synaptic, but i get unmet dependencies: synaptic: Depends: libapt-inst-libc6.9-6-1.1, is the first one..., what can i do? thanks
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09:43<abrotman>tim167: aptitude update, and try again? are you using sid?
09:43<tim167>abrotman, i already tried 'apt-get update'
09:43<abrotman>aptitude ...
09:43<tim167>abrotman, ah i didn't know that's not the same :)
09:44<tim167>abrotman, then i get: "There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
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09:45<abrotman>tim167: install debian-archive-keyring
09:45<tim167>i tried apt-key update, ...ah ok thanks will try
09:46<abrotman>!why aptitude
09:46<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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09:47<Slurb>abrotman: i am falling in love with aptitude over apt-get and synaptic
09:47<Slurb>i like the way it searches
09:47<Slurb>allthough i havent figured out how to search the descriptions yet
09:48<Slurb>havent looked
09:48<tim167>abrotman, i did try to install debian-archive-keyring, but it seems already installed ('...0 upgraded') after that still same key problem...
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09:48<abrotman>tim167: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere
09:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
09:50<locklace>Slurb: aptitude search '~d...'
09:50<Slurb>locklace: thx
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09:52<Bashbin>patrikf, abrotman and locklace, THANK YOU very much :)
09:52<Bashbin>got it to work!
09:52<abrotman>tim167: you really should not mix lenny and unstable, it will break
09:53<tim167>abrotman, actually i'm on this distro called "pure dyne", it came with that sources.list
09:54<abrotman>tim167: i have no idea what pure dyne is how how it is broken
09:54<Bashbin>2 questions are remaining:
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09:55<Bashbin>1) what can I do, to get FN+ESC (function-key + ESC) to work as expected on my laptop (which means: Mute / unmute)
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09:56<abrotman>tim167: really you should ask them for help .. but since they're using unstable, that's likely to happen, try again tomorrow
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09:57<gsimmons>tim167: Try asking in #pure:dyne on for support.
09:59<tim167>gsimmons, ok thanks, "" is the piece of info i missed :)
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10:13<Slurb>how do i add a user to the sudoers file?
10:14<Black_Phantom>Slurb, if you were using 'sudo' use 'su' instead.
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10:15<Slurb>black yes i know but i have a script and i want it to do things that require root privledges and for that i need sudo
10:18<locklace>Slurb: visudo
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10:25<Slurb>locklace: thx again
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10:30<Pomegranete>hey guys
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10:44<MercinovA>I need help...I moved my WoW folder(15GB) to trash, but the drive info still says the 15GB is still being used on my hard drive...and the WoW folder is not showing up in the trash nor where it was before deletion...
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10:48<MercinovA>I need help...I deleted a folder, but the disk space was unrecovered...
10:48<cahoot>MercinovA: you emptied Trash?
10:49<MercinovA>trash is doesn't appear to have gone to trash...but is no longer where it was before deletion...
10:50<cahoot>MercinovA: you say you moved WoW to trash - how?
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10:51<MercinovA>right-clicked the folder and chose "Move to trash"...folder disappeared...
10:52<MercinovA>...but the disk info still shows the 15GB being used on my hard drive...
10:52<cahoot>and didn't turn up in trash according to the appearance of the Trash icon?
10:53<MercinovA>would a forced file check clear it?
10:53<MercinovA>like fsck?
10:54<cahoot>try 'sync'
10:54<bja>MercinovA: do you remember the name of any file, if so "find / -name name_of_the_file_you_remember"
10:54<MercinovA>'sync' from terminal window?
10:54<bja>MercinovA: Just in case you moved it somewhere else
10:57<MercinovA>using 'sync' just returns another command line...and nothing has changed in the drive info...
10:57<MercinovA>currently searching for a file from WoW folder...nothing found yet...
10:58<MercinovA>how do I force a file scan (e.g. fsck) at start up?
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11:02<locklace>MercinovA: "touch /forcefsck"
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11:05<christoph>Hi all! I'm having a drive with a ext2 partition who's primary and secondary superblock seems to have been lost
11:05<christoph>Now I would like to get at the data nontheless if possible
11:06<locklace>christoph: try e2fsck -b
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11:07<christoph>locklace, without is says I should use it with -b 8??? and if I set that parameter it still claims the superblok is damanged
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11:07<locklace>read the man page
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11:12<bja>MercinovA: Also try "shutdown -rF now" it will force fsck on reboot
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11:15<christoph>locklace, hm I seem to be unable to find something helpfull in the manpage
11:17<locklace>christoph: "man e2fsck | less '+/-b s'"
11:19<christoph>locklace, I was using the -b $num option
11:19<christoph>without success
11:20<locklace>if you are unable to find a good backup superblock, out of all the many backups that exist, maybe you don't have an ext2 filesystem after all.
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12:09<blarson>Any known trick for getting an a4 landscape pdf to print on letter? It's printing the left half expanded, verticaly compressed on the bottom of the page. (So using less than half the page for half the info, in an almost unreadable distortion.)
12:10<abrotman>can't you scale the whole thing ?
12:11<blarson>It is scaling, but very broken scaling.
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12:14<blarson>abrotman: What are reasonable scaling options to cups / ps2pdf / whatever ?
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12:14<abrotman>blarson: uh .. i don't own a printer?
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12:22<Emery>Why would i use partitioning scheme : seperate /home. /usr, /var ... instead of all files on one partition ?
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12:24<blarson>Emery: tradition. So filling one partition doesn't affect the others. Spreading things over multiple disks. Backup schemes.
12:25<cahoot>Emery: /home on a separate partition might be usfule in the case of reinstall
12:25<Emery>fair enough :)
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12:42<mahogny>Depends: imagej (>=1.43b-1) <---- how is >= understood here, with that strange version number?
12:42<mahogny>or in short, will it figure it out?
12:42<azeem>mahogny: figure what out?
12:43<mahogny>that, say, 1.44b-1 is a higher version
12:43<irvan>wat is the diffrence between ubuntu and debian
12:44<mahogny>perfect. thanks
12:44<azeem>mahogny: dpkg --compare-versions 1.43b-1 lt 1.44b-1 && echo yes
12:44<mahogny>oh. great
12:50<ml|>dpkg: tell irvan about ubuntu
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13:08<Mikey^>is there any way to reduce the size of all the icons on the gnome desktop ?
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13:58<TimFreeman>Is there a program similar to "split" that will invoke a subprocess for each piece instead of write it to disk, and if so, what is it called?
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13:59<arentweallhorses>What's the address of 'experimental' repository (not sid)? Everywhere I look it seems to be pointing to sid.
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14:00<arentweallhorses>I want this package of it
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14:01<loudergood>it's almost exactly the same
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14:01<arentweallhorses>Is it deb experimental main contrib non-free ?
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14:02<arentweallhorses>Thank you.
14:02<loudergood>but yes you can add contrib and non-free to it as well
14:02<abrotman>arentweallhorses: it's probably better to get it from the noreply repo
14:04<arentweallhorses>abrotman: As far as I know noreply has stable versions, whereas I need the latest rc1 for a newly introduced option. =(
14:06<dpkg>The Onion Router - a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see or not allowed on #debian (freenode), see, or not in Etch, see, or #tor @
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14:17<guy>need to know where to save an otf (font) so my system (particularly Inkscape) can access it
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14:24<guy>anyone know where to put fonts on Debian ?
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14:25<dpkg>well, fonts is check for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or and or, or, or Ask me about <install font>.
14:27<guy>whats that about "Ask me about install font"?
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14:28<ml|>dpkg: tell guy about dpkgbot
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14:29<ml|>guy: do /msg dpkg install font
14:30<ml|>read messages from dpkg
14:30<guy>yeah, yeah :)
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14:32<Gilgha>Hi, I'm using Ubuntu since years now. It's Ubuntu that makes me become a Linux user :-) ! I want to know how debian and ubuntu are different ?
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14:32<ml|>dpkg: tell Gilgha about ubuntu
14:32<guy>if there's no .fonts folder, do I just go ahead and create one?
14:32<ml|>guy yes
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14:36<Gilgha>ml|, I know it's not debian ! And I would like to know why you prefer Debian ? What is different between this two distributions. I don't know why but I feel like Ubuntu is used by new linux-users
14:36<Gilgha>Now lots of "newbie" people assimilate Linux to Ubuntu
14:37<craigevil>Gilgha: good for them ubuntu is off-topic in #debian
14:37<guy>i did the fc -cache -fv and got the following result (among others):
14:37<guy>/home/guy/.fonts: caching, new cache contents: 0 fonts, 0 dirs
14:37<guy>does that mean it didn't see it/register it?
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14:37<ml|>Gilgha: well, not all of them are new linux users, it's mainly preference use what you want
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14:38<maxb>craigevil: Steady on there, asking why someone might want to use Debian instead of Ubuntu is rather on topic, I would say!
14:39<schlurchz>Hello. I just did a fresh install of lenny. How do I tell hal the keyboard layout? Isn't hal supposed to grab it from /etc/default/console-setup? Unfortunately it seems to ignore that config.
14:39<Gilgha>You've just said "Debian is NOT Ubuntu", I knew it but I don't know why! And now you tell me it's mainly preference
14:39<craigevil>Gilgha: there are a million and one articles about the differences between debian and ubuntu
14:40<ml|>Gilgha: yes like debian standards etc...
14:40<maxb>Gilgha: The release cycles are very different, for one
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14:41<pwcca>is there a trick to get virtualhosts to work in apache on debian?
14:41<craigevil>debian policy and DFSG along with stable release cycles are the big differences
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14:43<pwcca>i had no problem gettin vhosts to work in fc5, f8, and lampp... but im using debian now its just not working
14:43<Gilgha>Ok but
14:43<Gilgha>Nothing :p
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14:50<schlurchz>I have XKBLAYOUT="de" in /etc/default/console-setup, but lshal still reports input.xkb.layout = 'us'
14:50<schlurchz>This seems to contradict
14:50<schlurchz>Am I overlooking something?
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14:51<schlurchz>I could make up an xorg.conf, but I guess that's not the supposed way to configure that?
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14:59<bja>judd: versions ext4
14:59<judd>bja: ext4 --
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15:03<bja>!beer Gilgha
15:03*dpkg deftly decants a fine Guinness for Gilgha
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15:06<bja>judd: kernel
15:06<judd>bja: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.30-trunk-686 (2.6.30-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13813); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
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15:15<ml|>bja: having fun?
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15:16<bja>ml|: Showing bots capabilities
15:17<ml|>hehe to your self :)
15:17<bja>ml|: Take a wild guess
15:17<bja>ml|: a new lenny download on the way
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16:17<dpkg><RQ> mwilson, i don't care what you think of me as long as you're helpful.
16:18<abrotman>i'm sure that was much more funny with the preceding lines for context
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16:42<abrotman>amphi huh?
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16:46<amphi>abrotman: an obscure and feeble joke
16:47<abrotman>no comprende!
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16:59<deniz_>what do i apt-get install so that i can have webcam/mic conversations with empathy?
16:59<deniz_>in google talk
17:00<phrosty>uvcvideo maybe
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18:18<Esto>anyone know how to configure qt cursor theme?
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18:42<vic>spanish ?
18:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:44<vic>soy nuevo en esto
18:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:44<ml|>vic: /join #debian-es
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18:52<dpkg>dak (also known as the debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the debian archives, including the testing scripts. See for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing(and from incoming to unstable) at 0752UTC and 1952UTC each day.
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19:12<@weasel>dpkg: dak =~ s/bzr/git/
19:12<dpkg>weasel: that doesn't contain 'bzr'
19:12<@weasel>dpkg: dak
19:12<dpkg>i heard dak is "dak (also known as the debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the debian archives. See for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing(and from incoming to unstable) at {1,7,13,19}:52 UTC each day."
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21:05<quitocam>has anyone here compiled the kernel unsing make-kpkg? I am facing troubles booting a kernel "successfully" compiled in such a way after rebooting
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21:07<Slurb>quitocam: did you use the --initrd
21:11<Slurb>quitocam: what command did you use?
21:14<quitocam>Slurb: yes
21:14<Slurb>whats the error
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21:14<quitocam>make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-090705 --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image kernel_headers
21:14<Slurb>that should work
21:15<Slurb>whats the error message on boot
21:15<quitocam>Slurb: looks like now the update-initramfs it's not called as a post-install script, so my problem is coming from there
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21:16<Slurb>try running it after install
21:16<quitocam>anyway... after noticing the missing initrd.img the problem is self explanatory I think
21:16<quitocam>yes going to boot
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21:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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