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00:19<pwcca>anyone know how to fix this in debian lenny You configured HTTP(80) on the standard HTTPS(443) port!
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01:19<markup>who is there!!??
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01:52<deniz_>when I try to run steam, it works as win vista but it says that it needs administrator privileges (not the linux kind but the windows kind) what do i do?
01:53<deniz_>clicking install service like it says doesn't do anything
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01:53<deniz_>"Failed to install Steam Client Service. Run Steam once with administrator privileges to install this service."
01:53<deniz_>I forgot to mention this is the steam by valve as in half-life 2 and wine
01:58<sanxiyn>No idea. #winehq @ Freenode?
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02:02<simonrvn_>deniz: what does that have to do with debian?
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02:04<frivas>hi, is in the channel a dd or dm?
02:04<sanxiyn>simonrvn: Well, he was asking about running an application on Debian Linux...
02:04<sanxiyn>frivas: You may try #debian-devel
02:04<frivas>sanxiyn: thanks :D
02:04<sanxiyn>I was an applicant who gave up on becoming DD :-)
02:04<simonrvn_>it's not a debian app...
02:05<sanxiyn>simonrvn_: Huh?
02:05<frivas>sanxiyn: s...t happens :P
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02:07<deniz_>simonrvn, wine
02:08<deniz_>is linux native ;)
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02:08<sanxiyn>deniz_: Well I already suggested asking on Wine channel...
02:08<deniz_>o thats a good idea lol
02:09<simonrvn>#winehq on freenode, IIRC
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02:11<deniz_>ya im there btw
02:11<deniz_>does anyone have a package break in squeeze when doing apt-get install gnote?
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02:11<sanxiyn>Not using squeeze, dunno :(
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02:13<bash>Does anyone know how i can use the full natilus version with sidebar and tab support as default appose to the horrible compact one?
02:14<deniz_>system--> preferences--> file management --> behaviour-->always open in browser windows
02:14<deniz_>bash, ^^
02:14<deniz_>is that what you're talking about?
02:14<bash>deniz: YES!
02:14<deniz_>bash, lol np
02:15<bash>why isn't it set to that by default?
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02:15<bash>the other one is so horrible
02:15<deniz_>bash, who knows, it should be in my opinion as well
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03:40<deniz>does anybody know how to force a game to run in a window with wine and not fullscreen?
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03:52<judd>cahoot: Error: "8086:4227" is not a valid command.
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04:19<sinn3r>I'm trying to run the vmware-tools patch for bt4, but got this error and I'm not sure what to do w/ this... a little help?
04:19<sinn3r>Hunk #1 FAILED at 864.
04:19<sinn3r>1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file vmhgfs-only/page.c.rej
04:19<sinn3r>Sorry, problem with the source patch, I can't apply it
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04:47<miickee>Hey, I have reinstalled debian lenny and I type "iwconfig" and I have no wireless interfaces listed
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04:47<cahoot>miickee: what device?
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04:48<miickee>I think so, I remember it has something to do with ath9k
04:49<guybrush->hi guys, I've got a problem with my debian and the system clock . the hw clock seams to keep the time fine, but the so clock goes to fast I installed&configured ntp but it keeps crashing every 2 days due a 4001 Sec drift any idea? I have been googleing but I couldn't find anything useful
04:49<cahoot>get its pciid
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04:50<gsimmons>dpkg: tell miickee -about ath9k
04:50<gsimmons>miickee: Didn't we tell you about ath9k four days ago?
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04:52<miickee>Yes but my memory is bad :P I'm installing those things now
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04:55<miickee>gsimmons: Kiss fan?
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05:15<miickee>Ok I've followed the debian tutorials but wicd still won't find any wireless networks
05:15<cahoot>iwlist scan?
05:15<miickee>Interface doesn't support scanning: Network is down
05:16<cahoot>modprobe -r ath9k; modprobe ath9k; dmesg - errors?
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05:16<miickee>No output
05:17<cahoot>ifconfig -a
05:17<miickee>It shows two interfaces, eth0, loopback
05:17<miickee>No wlan0
05:17<cahoot>dmesg silent?
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05:18<miickee>I didn't know what you meant by dmesg
05:19<cahoot>modprobe -r ath9k; modprobe ath9k then run dmesg in a terminal - any error msg?
05:19<miickee>There seems to be no errors
05:19<cahoot>any msgs at all regarding ath9k?
05:20<miickee>Yes, like "wlan0 (ath9k): not using net device_ops yet"
05:20<miickee>"Registered led device: ath9k-phy0:radio" ,,,
05:20<cahoot>ifconfig -a still doesn't list wlan0?
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05:21<miickee>Yep ifconfig does list wlan0
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05:21<cahoot>iwlist scan?
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05:22<miickee>Interface doesn't support scanning: Network is down
05:22<miickee>What else do I need to install/configure to be able to see wireless networks?
05:22<gsimmons>miickee: Raise the interface (ifconfig wlan0 up), then try iwlist again.
05:23<miickee>No scan results
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05:47<helmut>hi. does someone know how to deal with the sdX -> ubX name change for usb storage devices with lvm? lvm will no longer recognize my physical volume on uba (prior named sda) with the message 'Failed to read physical volume "/dev/uba"' but it does not even try to open it.
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05:49<cahoot>helmut: consider using uuid?
05:51<helmut>cahoot: uhm. finding != reading. but I think that using ub driver is wrong in the first place. should be usb-storage really....
05:52<victor>i get a error when i want to do; ifconfig wlan0 up; "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" i try to read but i can't find the slotion
05:52<cahoot>victor: what does ifconfig -a list?
05:53<victor>list: error fetching interface information: Device not found
05:54<cahoot>that's the output from ifconfig -a?
05:55<victor>vicci:~# ifconfig -a list
05:55<victor>list: error fetching interface information: Device not found
05:55<cahoot>victor: just ifconfig -a
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05:55<victor>when i past that i will flood
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05:56<cahoot>victor: does any wlan* turn up?
05:56<cahoot>you want me to ask which?
05:57<cahoot>victor: what happends if you run iwlist scan?
05:58<victor>vicci:~# iwlist scan
05:58<victor>lo Interface doesn't support scanning.
05:58<victor>eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
05:58<victor>wmaster0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
05:58<victor>wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
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05:59<locklace>victor: you're missing your firmware
05:59<gsimmons>victor: Firmware from userspace is probably required for your device driver. Examine the kernel ring buffer (dmesg) for the filename(s) involved. Pastebin it somewhere if you're unable to determine this.
05:59<victor>i have driver rt2500pci
05:59<locklace>victor: what kind of card is this? iwlwifi? "lspci -knn|grep -i wireless"
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06:00<victor>it a linksys wmp54g
06:01<gsimmons>victor: What version/revision?
06:02<victor>version 4.0
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06:02<victor>locklace, when i do that command i get nothing
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06:02<victor>03:07.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
06:02<gsimmons>victor: You need firmware. It's RT2561, not RT2560.
06:02<gsimmons>dpkg: tell victor -about ralink firmware
06:03<victor>ok i'm going to try
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06:04<victor>it works
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06:12<miickee>When i install network-manager-gnome, the wireless led goes from red to blue (good sign), although I don't know why seeing as that wicd worked in my other debian install.
06:13<miickee>And yet it still can't find my wireless access point, when I boot up my other operating system I can surf fine.
06:13<avCheshirCat>Íóæíà ïîìîùü â íàñòðîéêå ðàçðåøåíèÿ ýêðàíà. ß ÷èñòûé âèíäóçÿòíèê. Óñòàíîâèë ñåáå Debian. Âûñòàâèëîñü ðàçðåøåíèå ýêðàíà, êîòîðîå ìîé ìîíèòîð íå ïîääåðæèâàåò.  êàêîì ôàéëå ìîæíî óêàçàòü äîïóñòèìûå ïàðàìåòðû äèñïëåÿ è ÷òî ïèñàòü?
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06:19<visine>I got a little problem. I'm using Amarok 1 and Rhytembox for playing music and I cannot make a collection nor in Amarok nor in Rhytembox. Anyone had the same problem maybe?
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06:21<locklace>!tell avCheshirCat about ru
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06:36<ditty_kong>!hello | #debian
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06:37<wekt>visine: I've made a collection before (long ago) in amarok. I'm new to rhythmbox.
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06:39<wekt>HowTo determine USB speed capability and actual speed of devices and hubs?
06:40<wekt>visine: do you seem to be able to find the right options?
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07:24<daffidity>Hi. I have just installed debian and have an Intel GMA 4500MHD graphics card. When shutdown, the screen flickers horribly and there is some random text scrolling at the top
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07:29<xanonus>wekt: perhaps with lsusb -v
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07:43<wekt>xanonus: thanks. There are entries like "bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub" in that. I guess I should be able to figure out whether that is capability or actual speed. Reading the output is still tedious.
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07:52<strahler>hi there. I already installed a debian i686 on my laptop. Now I found out that debian only uses 3GB of my available 4GB RAM. Is it ok if I would just install the amd64 kernel or will I encounter some problems with 32bit userland and 64bt kernel?
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07:52<dpkg>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead).
07:53<strahler>ok. cheers!
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07:57<vvas>it would actually be better for him to go for the amd64 kernel...
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08:22<stuckey> / <-- I get these errors when trying to launch a virtual machine in virtualbox.
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08:24<azeem>stuckey: "500 - Internal Server Error"?
08:25<stuckey>oh god damn it
08:25<stuckey>azeem: Sorry, do you know where I can host pics at?
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08:27<ditty_kong>i saw the pics just fine
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08:27<ditty_kong>righ tclick ,open link in browser,
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08:28<azeem>stuckey: no idea
08:29<azeem>sounds like a Virtualbox/Windows problem
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08:29<abrotman>stuckey: you might want to ask the vbox people on freenode
08:29<ditty_kong>did u try reinstalling virtualbox like it suggested
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08:32<stuckey>ditty_kong: nope, didn't work
08:32<ditty_kong>what is your host system?
08:32<stuckey>tell me to do "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup" but there isn't a /etc/init.d/vboxdrv
08:32<stuckey>ditty_kong: host system?
08:34<ditty_kong>ya It looked like u were trying to run debian etch on VirtualBox right?
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08:37<stuckey>ditty_kong: yeah it's etch
08:37<vvas>stuckey: host system == the system that virtualbox runs on
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08:55<markrian>Is there any sort of process for requesting packages be uploaded to lenny-backports?
08:56<azeem>markrian: maybe there is a backports users mailing list, not sure
08:56<azeem>look around at
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08:57<vvas>markrian, of course there's also the option of building backported packages yourself
08:58<markrian>vvas: Which is what I do most of the time, but sometimes the build fails, and I don't know enough to fix it in any sort of reasonable time
08:59<stuckey>Anyone here familiar with LYX?
08:59<markrian>But yes, the maillinglists link is the only one I didn't look at on :) What I need is there, thanks azeem
08:59<cahoot>if so slightly
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09:00<stuckey>cahoot: Yes
09:00<stuckey>cahoot: I tried to set the margins to 1", then the font to typewritter, but the right margin isn't being respected.
09:00<stuckey>The text runs off the right side of the page.
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09:01<cahoot>in the printed output too?
09:01<stuckey>cahoot: in dvi and ps preview... should I print it out to check?
09:01<vvas>stuckey, if you want to do this kind of micromanagement, then you're perhaps better off sticking with a word processor...
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09:02<stuckey>vvas: Perhaps I shouln't be using LyX---perhaps I should just use latex.
09:03<vvas>that too :^), but my comment also applies there
09:03<stuckey>vvas: There's a way to make latex output double spased with 1" margins...
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09:05<vvas>yes, for double spacing there's a single command that does it, IIRC
09:05<vvas>for margins there's the geometry package
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09:06<vvas>anyway, i'm off
09:07<cahoot>stuckey: can only verify your observation wrt LyX
09:08<stuckey>cahoot: that sucks huh?
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09:08<cahoot>seems like unwanted behaviour at least
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09:10<stuckey>cahoot: Think I might just do this one in openoffice and look into latex later.
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09:11<cahoot>stuckey: seems related to choosing typewriter font though
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09:14<bremner>stuckey: \usepackage{beton} gives you a typewriter like font, and won't bodge everything else.
09:16<cahoot>bremner: works as advertised
09:16<cahoot>bremner: what's the matter when using typewriter font?
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09:17<bremner>cahoot: I suspect it has to do with being monospaced, but I don't really know
09:18*bremner used to use beton for everything, but grew out of it when his printers got high enough resolution
09:19<cahoot>I only use LyX to create beamer presentations to stand out from the crowd
09:19<bremner>for businessy stuff in LaTeX (i.e. without math), I usually use something like Bookman \usepackage{bookman}
09:19<bremner>beamer is good. In my crowd, you would use powerpoint if you wanted to stick out :-)
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10:08<vvas>i would imagine that LyX uses \verbatim when instructed to use a typewriter font, or something
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10:18<luser>I've just noticed what happens if you type "aptitude why linux" :-D
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10:30<sbin>I just installed Debian-AMD64... I've been using apt to download and install packages, but I'm not able to figure out, how does it know to get the packages for the right architecture?
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10:32<azeem>sbin: if knows which architecture it runs on
10:32<sbin>azeem: does it use the output of the 'arch' or 'uname -m' commands?
10:33<azeem>sbin: look at the apt sourcecode if you are interested
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10:33<sbin>azeem, oh ok, i was just wondering, cuz none of the packages, or my sources.list entry mention "amd64" anywhere, i wanted to make sure
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10:34<bt98>Nazcafan, hi
10:34<Nazcafan>I would like to capture an output sound from a program
10:34<Nazcafan>how do I do that?
10:34<azeem>sbin: see e.g. "dpkg --print-installation-architecture"
10:35<sbin>azeem, thanks a lot :)
10:35<cahoot>Nazcafan: arecord should be able to
10:35<azeem>sbin: apt-get gets compiled on the respective architecture, so it knows what it will run on at compile time
10:36<sbin>azeem, ah ok, i figured it would have been some file in /etc
10:36<Nazcafan>cahoot: I'll give it a try
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10:47<Nazcafan>cahoot: it doesn't seem to record anything, I am trying to get the right settings
10:47<cahoot>hda-intel thingie?
10:48<Nazcafan>no, I have a cmipci sound card
10:50<cahoot>only one hw output?
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10:51<cahoot>the truth is I never got this to work on my hda-intel - works just fine on the audigy
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10:52<cahoot>I guess it's a matter of correct use of dsnoop on device that lack hw-mixing
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10:54<Nazcafan>this must be available though
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11:24<Nazcafan>cahoot: worked, thanks
11:24<cahoot>Nazcafan: pleas enlighten me
11:25<Nazcafan>I had to activate capture PCM in the alsamixer settings
11:25<cahoot>heh - nu magic then
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12:06<beer>about popcorn: does it messure what I install, what I launch or for how long I use a programe?
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12:07<Slurb>!dpkg popcon
12:07<dpkg>i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at
12:08*dpkg pours a bag of popcorn into Buglouse_'s lap. (You probably mean popcon, ask me about <popcon>)
12:08<Slurb>i thought it was popcorn first few installs
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12:09<ml|>hehe that must happen to just about everyone at first ;)
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12:11<Slurb>and it just sends data about what you install
12:11<ml|>yes nothing else
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12:15<kristianpaul>how i can make get the whole debian webpage + documentation + full software + sources
12:15<blarson>popcon also checks access time to see if you are using the package. (not very accuratly)
12:15<ml|>i think popcon should be used by everyone
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12:18<blarson>kristianpaul: For software, source, and documentation see the "getting debian" link on
12:19<kristianpaul>blarson: ok
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12:19<blarson>kristianpaul: Why do you need the web pages?
12:19<kristianpaul>blarson: for a local libre network
12:20<kristianpaul>blarson: i'm also trying to get full wikipedia
12:20<kristianpaul>blarson: osm
12:20<kristianpaul>blarson: if u have more ideas let me know
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12:23<blarson>kristianpaul: There's software avialable for becoming a debian mirror. But that doesn't include the web pages.
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12:34<tom3>Hello,I can not find crypt via which
12:34<tom3>which package does it exsit?
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12:35<tom3>can some one help me?
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12:36<Gathond>at least that is where my crypt binary comes from
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14:09<ml|>adb: thanks will look into them
14:10<adb>yw ml|
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14:10<jesperj>I use lenny and I need a tool to stream video to a xbox 360. I tried to compile ushare and got errors. is there a tool in debian repository (I can use one from testing or unstable) for this task or do I have to try to find another non-debian app for this (that I have a feeling will be as hard to get working as ushare :/ )
14:11<sney>what errors did you get?
14:12<Yonut27>I have a external hard drive that used to be a NTFS drive partitioned in 2. I erased the partitions, and put in a Linux one (whole drive/single partition), formated in ext2, and did the fsck. But when the drive comes up now, it is listed twice in /etc/mtab (as DriveName and usb0). How can I fix this? When I go through the file system, it shows both drives are exactly the same size (which couldn't be right, as that would double the original size of the d
14:12<Yonut27>using lenny
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14:13<jesperj>sney: profiles.c: In function ?dlna_item_get_properties?:
14:13<jesperj>profiles.c:596: error: ?AVCodecContext? has no member named ?bits_per_raw_sample?
14:13<jesperj>when compiling libdlna (which ushare needs)
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14:15<jesperj>sney: libavcodec-dev, libavcodec0d and libavcodec51 is installed on the system
14:15<sney>you're probably still missing a -dev package
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14:16<sney>such as libavformat-dev
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14:18<jesperj>sney: that is installed :/
14:18<jesperj>but thanks
14:18<jesperj>maybe it doesnt find the avcodec libs?
14:19<sney>well it should, debian puts them in a standard place
14:19<Yonut27>and when I add a file to DriveName it also appears under usb0.
14:19<sney>but you could try running /sbin/ldconfig
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14:19<sney>Yonut27: you can edit /etc/mtab, you know. just delete the line you don't need
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14:20<tux>Всем привет! Мой текст видно нормально?
14:20<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
14:20<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @
14:21<Yonut27>right, but what I don't understand, is when I unmount the drives, and check both /etc/mtab and /etc/fstab both file do not contain any listings about the drives. These drives are added after startup (as they are external usb drives)
14:21<chahibi>fail sney :p
14:21<sney>it was cyrillic
14:21*sney shrug
14:21<chahibi>cyrillic is originally bulgarian
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14:21<Yonut27>so where is it getting the idea that the one drive is actually 2 different listings?
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14:22<sney>ah, but his hostmask ends in .by, which is Belarus. The official languages of Belarus are Belarusian and Russian
14:22<sney>I don't think we have a !by
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14:23<chahibi>sney: ah, sorry
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14:24<mephitic>ïðèâåòñòâóþ âñåõ)
14:24<dpkg>it has been said that ch is Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: which lives in . See also on Freenode.
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14:24<jesperj>sney: didn't work. I did however comment out this: /* prop->bps = codecs->ac ? codecs->ac->bits_per_raw_sample : 0; */
14:25<jesperj>and then it compiled and installed fine
14:25<ml|>there is a by but it is not helpful
14:25<sney>groovy jesperj, you're turning into a real tinkerer
14:25<sney>how let's hope it actually works
14:25<jesperj>sney: thanks :) We'll see soon. Now compiling ushare and then I'll test it
14:25<mephitic>åñòü ðóññêîãîâîðÿùèå?
14:26<sney>mephitic: english?
14:26<mephitic>nî inglish
14:26<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
14:26<mephitic>i am russian
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14:27<sney>jesperj: my guess what happened is libdlna was looking for a more recent version of libavformat/libavcodec than is provided by debian lenny.
14:27<sney>the lenny packages are based on svn checkouts from more than a year ago
14:27*mephitic ïîòðîãàë dpkg
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14:28<mephitic>thank you
14:29<sney>jesperj: my guess is if you were on Squeeze it would have been fine :)
14:29<mephitic>dpkgt: hank you
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14:32<Yonut27>editing /etc/mtab does shit. It is still coming up with both listings each time.
14:33<jesperj>sney: Squeeze ?
14:33<sney>yes, debian testing. the next step up from lenny
14:33<jesperj>I havn't even bothered to keep track of the name for testing
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14:34<sney>I just know it because it's what I'm using. oh, and I hang out in here.
14:34<Yonut27>so that is the extent of the help from this channel? 'weird!'
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14:35<jesperj>Yonut27: The help most likely varies with who is idle and who is present in the channel at time of question, and what they can help with
14:35<Hideo>Yonut27: you sound like you are entitled to help
14:36<jesperj>lack of reply probably means nobody who knows the answer has seen the question yet
14:36<Hideo>or ... nobody gives a damn about your problem
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14:36<jesperj>Hideo: That's an option, but that thought just pisses one off and is contraproductive so I choose to ignore that feeling when I get it
14:38<Yonut27>it really sounds like a bunch of wannabes posing as a help channel under some distro's name. I have been here a number of times and not once has anybody had any clue.
14:38<sney>it's just a users channel
14:38<sney>I have lots of useful information but not much regarding the plug and play stuff because I mistrust it. also I haven't been using it for that long
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14:39<sney>so right now "weird!" is all I have for an external drive mount fluke. and lacking an external drive to tinker with means I won't have anything else for you today.
14:39<Hideo>Yonut27: flaming people who you're trying to get help from sure is a good way to get help
14:39<sney>however, if you don't ragequit and just re-ask your question every couple hours, odds are someone will know
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14:39<sney>you just have to find the right time zone
14:39<Yonut27>lol, yeah, if there was ever the possibility of any of you hacks actually helping.
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14:40<jesperj>sney: damn :/ didnt work. ushare added all files but said it got codec and parameter errors for all files, and xbox finds the files but can not play any of them
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14:40<sney>that right there is a self fulfilling prophecy
14:40<jesperj>sney: so I guess commenting out wasnt the right sollution
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14:40<sney>yeah I guess not jesperj
14:40<sney>maybe an upgrade to squeeze is in order
14:40<ml|>patience helps something Yonut27 none of
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14:44<vvas>heh, sometimes even I get surprised by the relics I find in this system
14:44<vvas>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4435 Nov 2 1999 fixedgr.pcf.gz
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14:45<sney>have you just been upgrading the hardware around it the whole time? or is it a PII?
14:45<vvas>it's a Phenom :^)
14:46<sney>if I still had my PII I'd probably still use it
14:46<vvas>but it's the same Debian system that I installed ten years ago (when Debian 2.1, a.k.a. slink was released) and have been upgrading since
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14:46<vvas>(it was a K6-2 at the time)
14:46<sney>I started on potato
14:47<sney>but not on the same machine the whole time
14:47<Slurb>i think my first was sarge
14:47<Slurb>i was a slackware man prior to that
14:47<Slurb>no 64bit slack...debian it is
14:47<sney>yeah, I used slack 8.1 for a while in the midst
14:47<sney>I think I learned the most from it
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14:48<vvas>i had tried rex (1.2) at some point too -- installed from 7 or 8 floppy disks ;^) -- but slink was when i really stuck with Debian
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14:48*vvas gets rid of the directory this file was found in
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14:56<dpkg>rumour has it, lwp is libwww-perl, a collection of www-related stuff for Perl. It includes URL/URI/CGI/anything.
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15:01<Zviper>can someone tell me what this process does?
15:01<Zviper>/sbin/mdadm --monitor --pid-file /var/run/mdadm/ --daemonise --scan --syslog
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15:05<resmo>Zviper: man is your friend
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15:11<Slurb>what is my
15:11<Slurb>what is my
15:11<Slurb>what is my perl LWP-dir on debian lenny
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15:16<SuperMiguel>any big company uses debian?
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15:16<Slurb> hmm /google -p -1 pms
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15:17<Zviper>i don't understand the purpose of monitor section of mdadm
15:18<Zviper>what is it monitoring?
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15:21<bzed>SuperMiguel: yes.
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15:26<starter> where can I see the reboot messages?
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15:28<adb>dpkg: tell starter about bootlog
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15:30<pwcca>dpkg: tell pwcca about bootlog
15:30<ml|>dpkg: tell pwcca about selftell
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15:30<Slurb>where is the LWP folder located on debian
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15:36<galbolle>hi all. Does aptitude honour new recommends when doing a full-upgrade?
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15:38<adb>ml|: gcompris
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15:47<ml|>adb: another nice one thank you :)
15:47<adb>yw ml|
15:48<ml|>so the newphew has something constructive to do when he comes over :)
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16:06<supaman>hey ... I have a bit of a problem here ... every time I use DRI in X it will freeze up eventually but I can't watch videos (mplayer, gxine, totem all fail) without DRI, so I have so far switched the option "DRI" "False" on/off in my xorg.conf file and restarted gdm ... is there a better way to do this? (is it possible to turn DRI on/off from inside X, or run multiple instances of X one with DRI and another without?)
16:07<supaman>when I have DRI active it will work for some time, but each time I turn on something heavy like iceweasel it freezes ... but watching videos is ok
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16:07<locklace>supaman: you can run as many independent instances of x as you like
16:08<locklace>supaman: also, consider upgrading your driver/kernel if possible
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16:08<supaman>locklace: but how do I pass the DRI False to the other instance without changing the xorg.conf file?
16:08<supaman>locklace: tried that
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16:09<supaman>I think this is a problem because of mesa ... will be solved in the next version the guys at #xorg thought
16:09<locklace>supaman: "man Xorg" and look at the -config option
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16:10<supaman>locklace: thanks :)
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16:17<miguel>im not sure if that fits here: but i want to do backups of my webserver and store them in my local svn repository.. however i can access the server only via ftp and mysql, i wonder what the most elegant way to solve that would be..
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16:18<locklace>miguel: one way is curlftpfs
16:19<miguel>this sounds good for the files part
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16:37<enouf>is mplayer using -vo xv?
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16:46<SuperMiguel>bzed, like which ones?
16:46<enouf>adb: hi ;-) (but that was for supaman, but he left)
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16:47<adb>enouf: hi ( .. known issue)
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16:51<enouf>adb: ahh.. the dri2 thing i suppose
16:52<adb>i not followed , sorry
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16:52<adb> known issue .. was for `but he left`
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16:56<starter>which kernel backu
16:57<starter>which kernel backport is better?
16:57<starter>I see there is .30 and .29
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17:19<Lomion>Hellp chaps
17:20<Lomion>Everyone that's considered gnawing their own arms off at one point or another in frustration over the installation of Nvidia's Drivers in debian raise their still healthy arm!
17:21<Lomion>Oh come now, you're not all that good. -.-
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17:21<Slurb>Lomion: what are you trying to do?
17:22<craigevil>Lomion: i cheat and use to install nvidia/ati drivers :)
17:22<Lomion>Hah, chicken!
17:22<Slurb>i use the nvidia installer
17:22<Lomion>Well basically I was going to use that
17:23<Slurb>cant get it to boot without gdm?
17:23<Lomion>After overcoming the initial shock of realising there actually was an installer these days
17:23<Lomion>(been out of the loop since sarge basically)
17:23<Lomion>well not really, let me explain
17:23<Lomion>I've gotten the shellscript, and tried the installation
17:24<Lomion>However, it's requesting to build a kernel. Or rather, downloading one from Nvidia's homepage (which was never going to work, but still)
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17:24<Lomion>And so I go through the motions of sorting that out more or less manually
17:24<Lomion>however, I can't get it to DL the libc or libc6-dev
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17:24<Lomion>just says "package is not going to be installed"
17:25<Lomion>and without it, I can't get the nvidia installer to run proper
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17:25<Slurb>try sudo aptitude libc libc6
17:25<azeem>Lomion: eh, which package is not installed?
17:25<Slurb>try sudo aptitude libc libc6-dev
17:25<Slurb>try sudo aptitude install libc libc6-dev
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17:26<azeem>E: Couldn't find package libc
17:26<Lomion>Well the funny thing is, when I do aptitude install it says that they are actually there, and it would be a downgrade
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17:26<azeem>Lomion: sounds like you managed to mess up your system
17:27<azeem>... to some degree
17:27<azeem>Lomion: if you want help, I suggest you start paste-binning the output you're seeing
17:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
17:27<Lomion>hah, bots <3
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17:28<Lomion>I'm actually doing it on another system, so pasting is going to be arduous at best
17:28<Lomion>It's a fairly short quote though, so I'm sure dpkg won't mind
17:28<Lomion>"The following packages are BROKEN:
17:28<ml|>Lomion: the debian wiki for nvidia is the way i install nvidia drivers :)
17:28<azeem>Lomion: you forgot to paste the command which yields that error
17:29<Lomion>ml| yeah I had a look, but it just gave me the error I'm experiencing
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17:29<Lomion>azeem: Sorry I don't quite know what you mean by that
17:29<Lomion>haha I do actually, sorry
17:30<Lomion>it was the sudo aptitude install libc libc6-dev
17:30<Lomion>My mind wanders. :)
17:30<azeem>Lomion: what does "dpkg -l libc6-dev | tail -1" say?
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17:31<Lomion>sigh, I can't get the |-sign to work in terminal now
17:32<Lomion>so I'm not sure, what does the command do. I might be able to answer it some other way
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17:32<azeem>paste the last line then
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17:33<Lomion>Like I said - it's on another system.
17:33<Lomion>But no matter, I found the ascii for it. :)
17:33<Lomion>"un libc6-dev <none> (no description available)
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17:33<azeem>well then
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17:34<azeem>no idea; try to figure out why it's broken
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17:35<Lomion>azeem mate, by the way. I managed to vim up my sources.list somewhat. Mind posting your standard debian repositories somewhere? The hosts I usually use have moved or discontinued.
17:35<Lomion>would probably help with my apt-updates
17:35<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
17:35<Lomion>well aren't you quite the little eaves-dropper
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17:37<locklace>!attack Lomion with a huge overripe cantaloupe
17:37*dpkg paws the ground, then runs at Lomion and pounces, digging a huge overripe cantaloupe into Lomion's chest.
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17:38<Lomion>Great, now I've got no X server, my nvidia installation and sources.lists are a mess and I've been fragged by a bot
17:39<craigevil>Lomion: take a look at the Stable section, and to install nvidia :)
17:40<Lomion>thanks, craigevil. I'll go have a look
17:40<Hideo>that's 20th century technology
17:40<Lomion>Hey, I've still got a geocities site up. Two, actually :p
17:40<locklace>itym "web 0.2"
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17:41<craigevil>ok them :) its just to store thing like my backup settings and the sources.list
17:42<deniz>to undo the following wget -O - | apt-key add - do i do: wget -O - | apt-key remove - ?
17:42<deniz>if not, what's the proper command?
17:43<Lomion>Alright, If I want to reenable my X-server, how do I go about doing that?
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17:43<Lomion>I only remember the old debian where you had to manually edit your xorg.conf, but that's all gone
17:44<Lomion>I feel bewildered
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17:44<Slurb>type sudo gdm
17:44<chealer>craigevil: eh, that site tells to use some "script"
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17:45<Lomion>Slurb: already running. Do I kill it with /etc/init.d/gdm stop ?
17:45<Slurb>you can
17:45<Lomion>Alright, and now start?
17:45<Slurb>or just restart
17:46<Lomion>Well I mean, it's gonna give me the "not configured properly"-message I guess
17:46<deadpool>running lenny and can't find out why the xorg.conf is blank.
17:46<deadpool>yet xorg works
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17:46<azeem>deadpool: it's no longer needed in most cases
17:46<deniz>azeem, does this mean things will be more plug and play from now on?
17:47<deadpool>i see. but it will still work if i fill it with a good config?
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17:47<Lomion>can I reset my X server somehow? with some reconfigure-command?
17:47<azeem>deadpool: I guess
17:47<deadpool>thanks, my monitors native resolution is unavailable
17:47<azeem>Lomion: did you try just moving away xorg.conf?
17:47<Lomion>I haven't actually done anything with my xorg.conf
17:48<locklace>deadpool: just run "X -configure" and it will spit out a basic file that you can edit and add your modelines or whatever to
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17:48<Slurb>then you need to edit it to include the driver nvidia
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17:48<deadpool>i have an ati card
17:48<Lomion>I was suprised it was empty. Because when I started all this business I assumed I had to go in and change the drivers to "Nvidia" in one of the module sections
17:48<Slurb>Lomion: you do have to
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17:49<Slurb>at least i do
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17:49<Lomion>Right, but I assume that's not until there's actually a file to edit. And I assume that's not going to be around until the installation of the nvidia drivers are completely built into the system
17:50<Lomion>And for that to work I still need the libc6-files. Which are present but not according to the nvidia installer. :)
17:50<Slurb>the installer will do it for you if you like
17:50<azeem>isn't the nvidia driver shipped in lenny/non-free?
17:50<azeem>Lomion: or do you run a custom kernel?
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17:50<Slurb>the old one
17:51<Lomion>Not really. 2.6.26-amd64
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17:53<Lomion>The Nvidia installer spits out the message that I don't have the libc-header files installed
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17:53<Lomion>does that make it any clearer?
17:54<chealer>azeem: yes
17:54<azeem>Lomion: my point was that you might not need the installer
17:54<Lomion>Yeah, but won't I need those headers to build it later on?
17:54<azeem>Lomion: we established above that your libc-header files package is broken
17:54<chealer>azeem: to be exact, there are several versions of the driver, some of which are in lenny
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17:55<Lomion>You're right, Azeem. Should I try to remove and reinstall them?
17:56-!-klh [] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
17:56<Lomion>Because that seems vastly out of my league
17:56<Lomion>I mean, if you go apt-get remove libc6
17:56<Lomion>it basically tells you "if you do this you're fucked"
17:56<Slurb>do it! do it!
17:57<Slurb>i uninstalled a running kernel once
17:57<chealer>Lomion: you should first fix whatever's wrong with your packages
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17:57-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*] by azeem
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17:57<azeem>Slurb: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for giving malicious advice
17:57<azeem>Lomion: don't remove libc6
17:58<Lomion>Slurb :(
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17:58<Lomion>aww bless
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18:00<Lomion>Hang on, let me reboot that other machine and let's see if I can't get X back up before I have to go to bed.
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18:02<Lomion>Nah, didn't do much.
18:02<Lomion>I need to reconfigure X to start properly
18:03<Lomion>I could probably sort that out though, but it's getting late.
18:03<Lomion>Thanks for all your help anyway, good night lads.
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18:10<starter>I have one filesystem which fsck on boot and hangs the boot with CTRL-D
18:10<starter>anyone know how to prevent that?
18:11<starter>this happen due to its label
18:11<starter>which isn't found
18:11<starter>and I don
18:11<starter>t know why is that
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18:14<starter> fsck.ext3 -a -C0 LABEL=Backups
18:14<starter>fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'LABEL=Backups'
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18:23<adb>grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst , says ?
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18:27<adb>starter: ^^
18:28<starter> Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.29 but it is not installable
18:28<starter>not my day today is it
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18:29<starter>adb, I have there stuff on /dev/mapper, but it isn't the troublesome device
18:30<adb>so it says ?
18:32<adb>starter: get linux-kbuild-2.6.29 from repos , not from bpo
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18:33<starter>adb, I don't find it in lenny's repo
18:33<adb>use wget
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18:35<dpkg> - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or, in some contexts. Maybe even
18:35<starter>adb, I think it doesn't exist
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18:36<adb> oh
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18:36<adb>use .30
18:36<adb>is newer
18:36<starter>I just need a modlue
18:37<starter>but I guess if I have to compile it,,, then as long as i have the headers, it will be fine, right?
18:37<adb>starter: grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst , says ?
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18:39<starter>adb, it is another LV on /dev/mapper, on a different VG, adn d
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18:41<starter>is the syntax for fsck with LABEL=x instead of /dev/y OK?
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18:42<starter>I have upgraded the kernel , gona reboot, any advice regarding that fsck?
18:42<supaman>how come I can start up X with startx .. but not if I use startx -- -config xorg.conf (where the xorg.conf file is located in my home directory and I am running it as a normal user) ... in the latter example I get an error saying that it can't move the log file in /var/log/ and the server wont start
18:43<supaman>should the /usr/bin/Xorg be set -rwsr--r-- ??
18:43<vvas>supaman: if i had to guess, i'd say the X server is dropping priviledges because it's running with a user-owned config file
18:43<supaman>for me it is -rwxr-xr-x
18:44<vvas>nah, only /usr/bin/X should be setuid from what I can see
18:44<supaman>vvas: yeh, I have the same here
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18:45<supaman>vvas: was googling for that error message and they all sayd to put Xorg as setuid
18:45*starter rebooting
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18:48<ml|>supaman: does that new xorg.conf much different than /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:49<supaman>ml|: nope ... the only thing different is a commented line in the device section about using DRI or not
18:49<ml|>supaman: try startx -- -your-setting
18:50<supaman>my original problem is wanting to start up two different instances of X ... one with DRI, one without
18:50<supaman>ml|: and -your-setting should be something like -config xorg.conf ? (doesnt work)
18:51<supaman>or is there something else I should be setting there?
18:51<ml|>no like startx -- -dri on or whatever that setting is
18:51<supaman>hmmm .. ill try
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18:51<hag>halo halo!
18:52<supaman>ml|: unrecognised option -dri
18:52<hag>anyone have experience with vnc -grey screen?
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18:52<ml|>supaman: is that the option your are using in the new xorg.conf?
18:53<supaman>ml|: there it is literally in the device section Option "DRI" "False"
18:53<hag>anyone can help? with vnc ??
18:53<ml|>hmm try caps DRI
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18:55<supaman>ml|: still the same ... the DRI is not a command line option, you can only set it on/off through the device section in your config file I think
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18:55<ml|>supaman: yeah think was about to say i don't see that option on man Xorg
18:55<supaman>which is why I want to have two config files
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18:57<adb>just uncomment dri
18:57<ml|>supaman: maybe try rename it xorg,conf.dri or something and save it in /etc/X11/ with root privelages
18:57<supaman>ml|: yeh, thats exactly what came to my mind and I am trying it now
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18:58<supaman>adb: thanks
18:58<adb>worked , ok
18:59<supaman>adb: nope ... I have this allready in my xorg.conf file except in the device section, not the modules section
19:00<supaman>adb: my problem is that the mesa is not working for me, so DRI is flaky ... not recommended ... but I can't watch any movies without it :(
19:00<craigevil>supaman: what video driver/card?
19:01<supaman>craigevil: intel driver .. I82865G card
19:02<craigevil>i have Intel 82915G/GV/910GL and everything including 3d works just fine using xorg andd xserver-xorg-video-intel with EXA in my xorg.conf
19:02<supaman>craigevil: tried both EXA and UXA ... neither work
19:02<supaman>think it was UXA the other one
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19:02<craigevil>supaman: what debian release?
19:03<supaman>craigevil: sid
19:03<adb>supaman: so , just comment dri
19:03<craigevil>supaman: X is crashing if you try to use dri?
19:03<supaman>craigevil: pulled in the intel driver from experimental .. didnt help
19:03<supaman>craigevil: yup
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19:04<craigevil>supaman: grab xserver-xorg-video-intel from sidux and use EXA
19:04<supaman>craigevil: it works for some things, but as soon as I start up iceweasel or something similar then it freezes
19:04<supaman>craigevil: what is different about that one?
19:04<ml|>adb: supaman> adb: my problem is that the mesa is not working for me, so DRI is flaky ... not recommended ... but I can't watch any movies without it :(
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19:05<craigevil>they fixed whatever the bug is that causes X to crash, xserver-xorg-video-intel: Installed: 2:2.7.1-1+b0.sidux.1
19:05<hag>is there anyone smart hacker who will help me with vnc problem, grey screen ??
19:05<supaman>craigevil: I do belive the dri fault is with mesa .. but I can give it a try
19:05<supaman>craigevil: where can I get it?
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19:10<supaman>fleh ... sleep calling ... gn and thanks for the help guys
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19:13<hag>drakeman: can you help me with vnc?
19:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:15<hag>vnc problem, grey screen, anyone have same problem??
19:17<locklace>hag: you fail at ask
19:17<locklace>!tell hag about how to ask
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19:18<ml|>dpkg: tell hag about smart questions
19:19<hag>ok, newest debian stable full upgrade, Xtightvnc newest stable version, but grey screen, after log inn from iceweasel
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19:20<adb>hag: tried log in from terminal ?
19:21<ml|>don't you need to use a vnc client to connect to the server?
19:21<adb>hag: vncviewer IP:1 , usually , sure have to make sure vnc server is running
19:21<ml|>being a while since i used vnc
19:22<hag>yes it running
19:22<adb>who started it ?
19:22<hag>else I will not have to log inn
19:23<ml|>are you trying to connect a windows box?
19:23<hag>windows box, ??
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19:23<ml|>guess not
19:23<hag>I simply go to iceweasel and type localhost:5900
19:24<hag>and then I type pass and I log in and its only grey screen and I can move a mouse...
19:24<ml|>you need to use a vnc client afaik
19:24<adb>so it told you which server use as IP:1
19:25<hag>dont understand
19:25<ml|>< adb> hag: vncviewer IP:1 , usually , sure have to make sure vnc server is running
19:25<hag>yes its allready running
19:26<adb>try vncviewer localhost:1
19:26<ml|>read the first part
19:26<hag>becouse in .vnc I have and debian.log
19:26<hag>and process:
19:27<ml|>man vncviewer and/or Xtightvnc
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19:27<adb>hag: dpkg -l xtightvncviewer | grep ii
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19:27<hag>u@debian:~/.vnc$ vncviewer localhost:1
19:27<hag>localhost 5901
19:27<hag> Połączenie odrzucone
19:27<hag> at
19:27<hag> at
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19:27<EagleScreen>when I press Ctrl Alt Supr (Ctrl Alt Del) in tty, computer reboots. I know there is a config file to change this to shutdown instead, which file is it?
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19:28<EagleScreen>!es | condorf
19:29<ml|>dpkg: tell hag about pastebin
19:29<condorf>speak spanish?
19:29<ml|>dpkg: tell condorf about es
19:29<EagleScreen>condorf: visit #debian-es for spanish help
19:29<rudi_s>EagleScreen: /etc/inittab
19:29<condorf>ok tanks!
19:29<EagleScreen>what happens if I haven't /etc/inittab file
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19:30<adb>hag: dpkg -l xtightvncviewer | grep ii
19:30<hag>ok ok
19:31<hag>it is not that packet
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19:32<deniz>how do i check if my ram is 667 or 800 mhz with a terminal command?
19:32<ml|>EagleScreen: you should have that, but i guess you can make it and add ...
19:32<ml|># What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed.
19:32<ml|>ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now
19:33<EagleScreen>is /etc/inittab related to sysvinit?
19:33<adb>hag: what's your local IP ?
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19:33<rudi_s>EagleScreen: Yes, read man inittab.
19:33<hag>I can log inn, but it is grey screen
19:34<adb>hag: and your vncviewer ?
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19:34<hag>Network error: could not connect to server: localhost:11800
19:34<adb>hag: dpkg -l vncviewer | grep vncviewer
19:34<adb>hag: dpkg -l | grep vncviewer
19:35<adb>here i have xtightvncviewer
19:35<EagleScreen>sysvinit provides /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab
19:35<EagleScreen>but I am using upstart, noy sysvinit
19:35<hag>It is not that...
19:35<hag>adb: nothing
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19:36<adb>EagleScreen: use apt-file , to search
19:36<adb>hag install xtightvncviewer
19:36<adb>dpkg: tell EagleScreen about search
19:40<hag>u@debian:~/.vnc$ xtightvncviewer localhost:5900
19:40<hag>and nothing happen
19:40<adb>hag: run as user, in terminal, xtightvncviewer
19:41<hag>u@debian:~/.vnc$ xtightvncviewer
19:41<hag>xtightvncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused
19:41<adb>ok , good
19:42<adb>try as root now
19:42<hag>sudo xtightvncviewer
19:42<hag>xtightvncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused
19:43<hag>port :1??
19:43<adb>verify display used by vncserver ?
19:44<adb>:1 is display , not port
19:44<ml|>adb: login credentials not needed?
19:44<adb>i don't believe
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19:45<ml|>ok, just a thought
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19:45<hag>fenx for your thought
19:45<bash>does anyone know how to fix the white screen of death after i logout?
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19:45<bash>I useally have to go to the shell and kill gdm and restart it...
19:46<adb>hag: get it ?
19:46<bash>i tried this...
19:46<hag>sory for my english I am from Poland, do my best
19:46<bash>but it doesn't seem to have fixed it...
19:47<hag>my friend using Debian and he try to do this vnc, he have that same configuration and he wont to do this
19:47<hag>yes, this workin, but that same like in Iceweasel
19:48<adb>hag: you don't use debian vnc server , so ..
19:48<hag>dont understand
19:48<adb>install debian vnc server tightvncserver
19:49<adb>hag: wont start vnc by .vnc$ ./start
19:49<hag>this is a question?
19:50<adb>hachi: install debian vnc server named tightvncserver
19:51<hag>it is in newest version
19:51<hag>or I doing it wrong
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19:52<hag>my friend have that same debian and configuration like mine and in his debian it working
19:52<adb>hag: dpkg -l | grep vncserv
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19:53<hag>ii tightvncserver 1.3.9-4 virtual network computing server software
19:53<bash>does any one know how to fix the white screen of death?
19:54<ml|>bash: using sid?
19:54<ml|>check bts
19:54<bash>bug tracking site?
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19:54<ml|>dpkg: tell bash about bts
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19:55<ml|>see if there is abug mean while you wait for someone to help you
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19:56<ml|>hag: maybe ask your friend how he got his working
19:56<hag>he tell me he dont know
19:56<hag>becouse have this same configuration
19:56<hag>and this same debian
19:57<ml|>something must be different since his is working
19:57<hag>so I go to professionalist like u
19:57<adb>hag: run tightvncserver , and follow steps
19:57<adb>passwd and so
19:58<hag>with sudo or not?
19:58<adb>tell us someting like New 'X' desktop is debian:1
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19:58<hag>New 'X' desktop is debian:9
19:59<hag>it did not ask me for pass
19:59<adb>now , from other machine , first install xtightvncviewer
20:00<adb>and run xtightvncviewer
20:00<hag>I have not other
20:00<hag>my friend connect to me from internet
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20:00<hag>but wait
20:00<adb>so you can't enter vnc
20:00<ml|>tought to ask that but didn't
20:00<bash>found this in .xsessions
20:00<bash>x-session-manager[7089]: WARNING: could not read /home/bash/.config/autostart/padevchooser.desktop
20:01<bash>it seems to be here...
20:01<bash>but it has a lock on it and a big x
20:02<ml|>hag: do you have a router?
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20:04<hag>but have DMZ my pc
20:05<ml|>you need to port forward the port for vncserver in your router
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20:08<hag>ok, fenx for this
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20:17<edbian>Is there a way to repair bad sectors on a HDD (using linux of course) ???
20:17<dondelelcaro>edbian: no
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20:18<edbian>dondelelcaro: What about this: ???
20:19<ml|>edbian: look at spinrite at
20:20<edbian>Just to set the scene for you guys: This computer is a netbook (the one I'm working on not the one I'm chatting on) so it doesn't have a disk drive or floppy drive. I am running gparted live usb (debian based) on the system trying to repair its HDD
20:21<edbian>ml|: I'm looking at spinRite. It costs money :/ ...
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20:21<edbian>IS there no linux alternative to spin-right & windows "scan for disk errors and fix them if possible" chkdsk /r etc etc ??
20:22<ml|>yeah, just mentioned it becuase it works
20:22<bremner>edbian: you know about badblocks ?
20:22<edbian>bremner: No
20:22<bremner>might help
20:22<edbian>application in the repos?
20:22<bremner>part of the base system afaik
20:22<weasel>if you're seeing bad blocks, get a new disk.
20:22<weasel>it's not that hard a rule.
20:23<edbian>bremner: You're right! It's already on the gparted live USB :)
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20:23<bremner>doesn't repair anything, but tells the file system to route around.
20:24<PCaddict>hi got a really console strange problem , i got install one box ( a intel storage server ss4200) with lenny. All look working but 2 thing doesnt work , if a got a package configuration screen , my type write directly in the box and i cannot choose anything i have to do a ctrl-c and smbpasswd look to do nothing until a ctrl-c. (i have to mention the ss4200 have no vga card)
20:24<edbian>bremner: Does it work across all operating systems? Will this just tell my gparted live CD to route around?? (That's pretty useless).
20:24<bremner>but, as others have said, getting a new disk is the best plan
20:24<ml|>edbian: look at weasel said, i mentioned spinrite incase you have data on there you can lose and have no backup
20:24<PCaddict>but if i take the same image boot it on a machine with video card its work ...
20:24<edbian>Is it really hard to replace the HDD of a netbook? Seems like it is nearly impossible
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20:25<ml|>edbian: on some no depends on mfg
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20:25<edbian>ml|: Is that a response to my question? Will it tell the OS to route around bad blocks or the bios or something?
20:26<weasel>this "discussion" hurts
20:26<edbian>ml|: It's an acer aspire one. I'll research on my own but do any of you have experience cracking one open?
20:26<edbian>"s/ca/can't" ??
20:26<weasel>"can I stab myself in the eye" - "don't do it" - "will a fork work? A knife? Can I stab myself? Please tell me"
20:26*weasel stabs edbian in the eye with a quarterstaff and goes to bed.
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20:27<ml|>edbian: no experience with acer and
20:27<bremner>edbian: I don't know anything more than the man page, but e2fsck -c seems like the option.
20:27<edbian>weasel: Are you saying that attempting to repair bad sectors is like stabbing myself in the eye? (Or shooting myself in the foot) ??
20:27<weasel>because once you are seeing bad blocks at that level the hard disk has routed around thousands already and ran out of spares.
20:27<weasel>the disk is dying.
20:27<edbian>weasel: Well it's worth a shot for me cause I have no data on this HDD that I need.
20:27<weasel>copy what you can and run
20:27<edbian>weasel: After all it is a netbook.
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20:28<edbian>weasel: IC
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20:28<edbian>weasel: ml| bremner Thanks guys!!! Very helpful as usual :)
20:29<miickee>I have installed java from sun's site, now frostwire says I still don't have the right jre
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20:30<adb>miickee: ask #sun
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20:33<bremner>what adb means to say is that we can't help you with non-debian jre's.
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20:35<bremner>oh, well, I guess he/she will be back when they discover #sun is about as busy a channel as #gof*ckyourself
20:36<abrotman>probably do better in #java
20:38<ml|>edbian: s/can/can't, look at my line to you before i typed that, means i a made a typo of can and correct is can't, that is used in vim
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20:42<miickee>I've followed the debian wiki to install the latest ati drivers for my video card, and now it takes me to the login screen (which I can't see). I know it's the login screen cause of the tell-tale system beep
20:44<bremner>miickee: did you try radeonhd or radeon drivers?
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20:45<abrotman>that's not the debian wiki
20:46<abrotman>the debian wiki is
20:47<abrotman>and that one appears to be two years old (though i don't use fglrx so i can't ocmment on the process outlined there)
20:47<miickee>last time I followed this wiki I suspected it was cause I'd installed the ati drivers from the amd site, which is what most people said not to do, and thought it conflicted with that install I did from that site I posted. I've tried uninstalling those packages and still can't log back into my old system
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20:49<miickee>How would you suggest I "undo" what I just did?
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20:58<miickee>I tried to log into my debian system but both options (normal and single-user) didn't take me to a command line
20:58<miickee>So I guess I don't want to reinstall, how can I undo what I did>
21:01<ml|>miickee: try to retrace your steps and undo what you did, butif your system is really screwed might be best to backup data and any config files you need and reinstall
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21:02<miickee>I'm just wondering how else to get to a command line
21:02<adb>livecd + cdroot in system
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21:03<miickee>Ok, cool. And say if I just apt-get remove those packages I installed to get me where I am now, and still not responsive, should I call quits and reinstall, or any other method?
21:03<rg>I'm setting up apache2 on debian (lenny) and I
21:03<rg> to enable all users to access the
21:03<rg> website (internet)
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21:04<rg>which have to enable port besides 80, 8080?
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21:06<justfil>Hello, how can I configure nautilus to look like the one in Ubuntu, with all the sidebars and stuff...
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21:08<justfil>What you did not understand, rg?
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21:09<adb>justfil: open nautilus > Edit> Preferences> Behavior> in Behavior check 'Always open in browser windows'
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21:11<miickee>rg: You might want to try a more apache-specific channel
21:12<justfil>Thank you, adb. You helped me a lot.
21:12<adb>rg: 80 is default in apache, will be enough for anonymous internet
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21:13<adb>justfil: yw
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21:14<adb>btw, i wonder why is not default feature for nautilus
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21:16<miickee>Cause it's more "debian" the nautlis way, apparently
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21:16<josh>Hey I am new to back track so I have a noob question that has more than likely been asked 100 times so sorry in advance
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21:17<Guest127>How do I get flash player on backtrack
21:17<adb>ask # backtrack
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21:17<Guest127>I am Josh for some reason it changed me to guest
21:18<gsimmons>Guest127: BackTrack isn't supported here. Ask your question in #remote-exploit on
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21:40<twb>This does what I want: dpkg-divert --divert /usr/lib/mozilla --rename /usr/lib/
21:41<twb>...but can I rearrange the arguments so that they are in the reverse order?
21:41<twb>(Oops, the .off should be on the first argument, above.)
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22:14<Hannibal>hey everyone
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22:14<Hannibal>kernel is detecting my drives, and putting them as sda -> sdd
22:14<Hannibal>but the installer doesn't seem to see them
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22:15<Hannibal>anyone got ideas?
22:15<adb>which installer? lenny ?
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22:16<Hannibal>i ran out of cds >.<
22:16<adb>which machine ?
22:16<Hannibal>mm its a dell something, hangon
22:16<dpkg>[dell] A wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or,, Also ask me about <laptop>.
22:16<Hannibal>but the scsi card is a tekram dc-390
22:16<Hannibal>yeah i know lol
22:16<dpkg>For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see
22:17<jrabbit>thats cool
22:17<adb>next time buy only CDRW
22:17<Hannibal>mind you, i'm still in the installer phase :s
22:17<adb>i use same set from ages ...
22:18<Hannibal>the kernel has named my drives as such sda and sda1 -> sdd and sdd1
22:18<Hannibal>the drives are there
22:18<Hannibal>the installer doesn't want to see them >.<
22:19<adb>i read this on other #d channel ..
22:20<Hannibal>and debian on freenode
22:20<adb> debian on freenode
22:20<Hannibal>i'm stuch here
22:20<adb>use kmuto than
22:20<Hannibal>idk what to do
22:21<adb>read above ...
22:22<Hannibal>maybe i might be able to pull a usb boot
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22:33<Co_X>dear all... i just download Debian 501 DVD from and suddenly the download down...
22:33<Co_X>after i check, there no mor 501, and now exist 502
22:33<dpkg>it has been said that netinst is a small CD image which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but the connection is not required for a base install to complete. See and ask me about <check iso image>. If you use a dial-up connection, ask me about <dialup install>. See also <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>.
22:33<Co_X>what is the different between 501 and 502?
22:34<dpkg>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.2 was released on June 27th, 2009. This is the second update of <lenny> and the second point release to use a micro version number (i.e. 5.0.2 instead of 5.0r2). This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>.
22:34<abrotman>see the News article or the changelog
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22:34<abrotman>the News will hve the digest version i guess
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22:34<Co_X>where to sign up?
22:34<abrotman>sign up for what?
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22:34<Co_X>to have the news about debian?
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22:35<abrotman>that will get you the project news in RSS form
22:35<abrotman>oh wrong link .. sorry
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22:36<abrotman>Co_X: .. see the links to the two mailing lists
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22:37<Co_X>and... i've been download DVD1 and DVD2 of debian 501 and burn it, witch is better for me to redownload whole DVD 502 or just continue 501 DVD3,4,&5?
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22:37<abrotman>no, there is an _update_ cd that you can download
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22:37<abrotman>or just use http sources to update to .2
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22:39<Co_X>abrotman.... i see... then where i able to continue download 501? cos it was missing from the source, and where i able to download the upgrade DVD ISO to upgrade 501 to 502?
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22:39<abrotman>Co_X: you should really be using thenetinst
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22:40<kenyon>Co_X: just upgrade using aptitude after you install
22:41<Co_X>abrotman:i've been using office internet and there is no free/hackable wifi near my home :-( and even i use netinst, still the internet at my office was running slower that turtle :-(
22:41<Co_X>then i need it in form of ISO to burn it
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22:41<matthewpucc>hey guys i'm on lenny 5.01 trying to build the drivers for my intel 82576 nic. i need the kernel source code for kernel 2.2.26-2-amd64. anyone know where i can find it? i tried the package but the builder for the driver didnt recognize it
22:41<Co_X>here i am living in the dessert of technology :-(
22:42<abrotman>matthewpucc: apt-cache search linux-source
22:42<matthewpucc>hmmm ill try that again
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22:44<TongueOfColicab>Hi, i've installed amule on my lenny but i always get a low ID, i need to forward the 4662 port of the amule using iptables?
22:45<loudergood>is it forwarded on your router?
22:47<enouf>Hannibal: ok, i see ya :-p
22:47<TongueOfColicab>i have a zyxel p-330w router, i read that i can use "virtual servers" option in this router
22:47<TongueOfColicab>to forward specifics ports
22:48<Hannibal>erem enouf
22:48<TongueOfColicab>i tried to do it this way without sucess
22:48<enouf>Hannibal: hi - listen - what does alt-f4 tell you?
22:49<Hannibal>ah hang on
22:49<Hannibal>i just truned off that computer
22:49<enouf>Hannibal: i suspect your diskcontroller isn't supported, or the kernel module for it isn't loaded
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22:50<TongueOfColicab>well, no answers =_(
22:51<adb>TongueOfColicab: the router is running debian ?
22:52<TongueOfColicab>??? i just can access routers configuration using its ip
22:53<loudergood>that is where it needs to be done, at the router
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22:56<enouf>Hannibal: oww . debian Etch? why on earth? Lenny isn't good enough? (try this though) Pass it these boot options, one at a time, a) generic.all_generic_ide=1 b) libata.atapi_enabled=1 ( though i think you should go into the BIOS and alter the SATA drive options.
22:56<enouf>Hannibal: oh - heh; " The experts at rated Tekram's great "DC390-U2W" a "Best Buy" and a "SCSI Adapter for All Occasions", with a score 9 out of 10. "
22:58<Hannibal>well i stuck a dvd drive into that box
22:58<Hannibal>so i'll burrn a dvd of lenny
23:00<enouf>Hannibal: ah .. here we go
23:00<enouf>and Hannibal and
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23:01<enouf>Hannibal: hit F1-F10 (upon booting Installer), see installatuion guide
23:01<Hannibal>ah ok
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23:02<enouf>Hannibal: and notice, that info is from .18 .. a newer kernel (such as a etchnhalf, etch-backports, or even kmuto image) might do the detection better, but then so would Lenny ;-)
23:02<Hannibal>ah ok
23:03<Hannibal>time to download an iso
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23:05<enouf>Hannibal: and then, forget about my a) and b) boot options above (the 'generic' and 'libata' options i showed) since they wouldn't really apply for newer Installers .. also, make sure your BIOS has that card set to Boot from it, in BIOS's Boot options areas (not necessarily drive "Boot Order" area, but Boot Interface/Protocol, etc - Network PXE/TFTP, PCI Controller Card, Removable Drives, USB, etc)
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23:39<enouf>Hannibal: last thought (if it comes to it, and i hope it doesn't because the only _related/similar_ option i find in the debian kernel for just prior to Etch release, is CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C406A=m) is this info (concerning SYMBIOS and NVRAM options and tekram)
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23:42<enouf>ugh, seemingly conflicting info? (no idea why i'm showing .22 kernel in last post - wrong window)
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23:44<justfil>After installing the Nvidia driver fonts gone terribly small, what caused this?
23:44<joe__>using coherence is there a way to tell it to sort the files so when i view them on my ps3 they are in alphabetical order?
23:44<ml|>enouf: why the conflicting info?
23:45<loudergood>justfil, probably dpi
23:46<joe__>might wanna tell him in caps if its that small :)
23:47<justfil>I checked it, it's 76 dpi
23:47<joe__>maybe the inch is the wrong size
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23:47<justfil>I don't quite understand
23:48<justfil>what do you mean
23:48<joe__>what font are you using?
23:48<justfil>well it's the default Debian fonts
23:48<justfil>i haven't changed anything
23:49<joe__>i dont know then, was thinking u changed the fonts
23:49<ml|>higher resolution?
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23:49<justfil>nope, it's still 1280x1024
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23:51<joe__>anyone here familiar with coherence?
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