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00:06<twb>loongson: /quit
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00:06<twb>I wonder if he's actually running a loongson CPU
00:07<twb>MIPS64 is cool, but I think ARM is cooler if you can get over the licensing issues.
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00:20<snogglethorpe>twb: hmm don't the arm guys kinda have reputation as asshats wrt foss tho?
00:21<snogglethorpe>maybe old-school embedded types ("everything costs extra")
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00:24<twb>snogglethorpe: yep
00:24<twb>snogglethorpe: that's "the licensing issues"
00:25<twb>But ARM is definitely going places, whereas MIPS seems to mostly be stagnating.
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00:25<twb>e.g. ARM has implemented a bunch of the JVM in hardware.
00:25<snogglethorpe>seems like mips got bought by the wrong people
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00:27<snogglethorpe>not as bad as DEC i suppose...
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00:32<twb>What was the Oo for?
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00:33<twb>Anyways, the new ARM EeePC sounded sexier than a Loongson laptop. I'm trying to resist upgrading from my 701 until freescale and peragon get the ARM unit in stores.
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00:38<snogglethorpe>twb: two eyes
00:39<twb>snogglethorpe: yeah, but WHY?
00:39<snogglethorpe>twb: one eye big, the other small
00:39<snogglethorpe>an expression of amazement and discombobulation
00:40<snogglethorpe>which seems appropriate when thinking about DEC's demise
00:40<bremner>twb: links for the ARM EeePC? Is it asus, or pegatron (me looks confused and interested)
00:41<twb>There was a freescale press release about it a while back
00:41<twb>pegatron is part of what was once just "asustek"
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00:50<twb>Not the actual press release; I'm sick of clicking through the umpteen mindless-link-proliferation blog articles.
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00:54<cristofer>spek spañosh
00:54<cristofer>skep spanish
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01:13<debam>hi to all, which software is good to implement helpdesk/call center using asterisk?
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01:23<twb>Asterisk *is* software.
01:23<Hideo>twb: that netbook looks very promising
01:23<twb>Hideo: I just wish I could go buy one now
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01:24<Hideo>I'm drooling too
01:24<twb>I looked at getting an Open Pandora box, but it has no DVI out -- same problem as buying a smartphone to run Debian/armel
01:24<Hideo>first thing I'll do when I get this netbook is removing ubuntu and installing Debian
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01:25<twb>My workflow is to mainly use it plugged into a keyboard and monitor at home and work, and occasionally to use it with the onboard keyboard and screen (such as when on the train or just before bed).
01:25<twb>Which you could do with external bluetooth keyboards, iff it had a way to do some kind of video out (DVI-D or HDMI, I guess.)
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01:26<Hideo>I would much prefer the 10in version if they have one, since even the 10" keyboard is too small
01:26<twb>Hideo: but you normally don't use the onboard kbd.
01:26<twb>And a 10" netbook doesn't fit my preferred A5 profile :-(
01:27<Hideo>twb: I want to drag it around, that's the whole point of a small netbook :P
01:28<twb>10" is too big to drag around :-)
01:28<snogglethorpe>hmm are there are any netbooks which don't have the keyboard/mousepad at 50 deg C ?
01:28<Hideo>I have a 12" thinkpad x60s now, it's the ideal size IMHO
01:28<twb>snogglethorpe: Eee PCs do that if their fan controller is broken.
01:28<snogglethorpe>I tested a row of different models at the store the other day, and all of them felt like i was typing on a hot plate
01:29<twb>snogglethorpe: because they use the keyboard backplate for heat distribution
01:29<snogglethorpe>great idea
01:29<twb>snogglethorpe: it also helps a HUGE amount to turn on CPU throttling
01:29<twb>I'm using a 701 right now, and the fan isn't going and the keyboard is just a little warm. Because I throttle it down when I'm not e.g. compiling.
01:30<twb>Running off mains also obviously reduces thermal output.
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01:30<Hideo>if and when I get that pegatron netbook, I'll delegate my thinkpad x60s to server duties :)
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01:34<twb>If someone with flash installed can work out a contact email for pegatron (IIRC their website is a flash app), I'll email them and ask for a press pack
01:34<Hideo>what's a press pack?
01:34<twb>I asked freescale but obviously I was too polite because I never heard back from them.
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01:35<twb>Hideo: somewhere between a bunch of links to press releases and a goodies back of branded shirts and stuff.
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01:35<twb>IOW, "please give us some more information about this product"
01:36<Hideo>twb: is there website, I've tried that address but obviously it's not working in linux somehow
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01:38<twb>Hideo: dunno.
01:38<twb>I probably just went to
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01:43<Hideo>twb: well I could not find a contact email at and pegatron's site, uses a contact form
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01:55<bremner>twb: thanks for the liliputing link. I wonder if it will be comfortable for running emacs
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01:55<bremner>twb: did you try
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01:58<twb>bremner: Emacs' hardware requirements are about one tenth of Firefox's, if you run Firefox with Java and Flash.
01:58<twb>bremner: nope, I didn't get that far, thanks for the link.
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02:04<bremner>twb: also the keyboard is a factor, but that is pretty personal
02:05<twb>Yeah, I hate the broken-out arrow keys on the aspire one
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02:23*bremner discovers okular is not bad for viewing dvi files
02:24<jm_>luckily dvi files have no "copy&paste not allowed" option :P
02:24<twb>What's wrong with xdvi?
02:24<twb>jm_: neither do PDFs, unless you use a client that decides to honour that bit.
02:25<jm_>twb: which okular does
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02:25<twb>jm_: of course, a more powerful technique is to mangle the actual data stream by turning the text into glyphs -- one lecturer I knew did this, meaning that pdftotext was broken as well. It was AMAZINGLY annoying.
02:26<jm_>twb: heh a feller at work made a presentation in PDF with screenshots of actual slides so that others couldn't use his slides directly, seems to fall in the same category
02:27<bremner>twb: zoom-to-width and trim-margins are quite nice on a small screen.
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02:33<twb>bremner: I'd be amazed if xdvi doesn't have that
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02:35<bremner>twb: it seems to have "fit page in window" only, at least from the GUI
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02:36<aa>who can help me ?
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02:37*aa лл£¡ :)
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02:39<twb>Naughty non-UTF-8 user!
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02:46<leave>pop /hi
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03:14<Madkiss>has anyone else experienced problems with 2.6.30 on etch? it silently refuses to find my LVM-VGs
03:15<twb>Madkiss: running vgscan -a -y?
03:16<Madkiss>tells me "No volume groups found"
03:16<twb>Madkiss: are you using a Debian 2.6.30 package, or did you roll your own?
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03:16<Madkiss>I took the sid-package and backported it to build on etch
03:16<twb>OK. Then my next guess is that it's incompatible in some way with e.g. an older udev.
03:17<twb>But that's a complete guess.
03:17<twb>Why do you want 2.6.30 on Etch?
03:17<twb>!tell Madkiss about etchnahalf
03:17<Madkiss>because 2.6.26 has a nasty bug in a kernel NIC driver I use
03:17<Madkiss>obviously, with 2.6.26 being broken, I have no reason to assume that 2.6.24 will work better. ;)
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03:32<Madkiss>there is no lvm.conf inside my initramfs
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03:35<twb>By that logic, you have no reason to assume 2.6.30 will work better, either...
03:36<loongson>lvm -- logical volume manager
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04:01<test>I'm sorry that's the first time that I use IRC service
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04:03<dpkg>epic test fail
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04:10<adama26>Hey y'all, just wanted to stop by and say everything is working great. No problems over here!
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04:10<aliceinwire>hello bash
04:10<bash>Can you tell me if the site is working?
04:11<bash>i cant seem to connect to it at all..
04:11<bash>but ever other site is working :/
04:11<aliceinwire>that's weird
04:11<aliceinwire>timout to server
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04:11<bash>ok, i guess they are fixing it or something. I thought it was my connection
04:11<aliceinwire>hello mad
04:11<bash>Thx for the help
04:12<aliceinwire>you have xbox 360 ?
04:12<adama26>bash: that site is not working
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04:13<bash>locklace: thats the best site ever!
04:13<aliceinwire>yeah cool site
04:14<aliceinwire>i have nintendo DS
04:15<bash>hmm... that site is saying but its not :|
04:15<bash>unless they are blocking canadians :S
04:15<bash>but i doubt that...
04:16<aliceinwire>Traceback (most recent call last):
04:16<aliceinwire> File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/ext/webapp/", line 501, in __call__
04:16<aliceinwire> handler.get(*groups)
04:16<aliceinwire> File "/base/data/home/apps/downforeveryoneorjustme/1.333419237121004026/", line 137, in get
04:16<aliceinwire> self.render_down(u)
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04:19<aliceinwire>wtf sorry
04:21<aliceinwire>how is colled the program for install debian live on usb ?
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04:51<adama26>aliceinwire: unetbootin ?
04:52<petern>debian... live... usb...
04:52<aliceinwire>oh thx
04:52<aliceinwire>i try it
04:53<aliceinwire>right is that
04:53<aliceinwire>thx adama26 :D
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05:04<miickee>Does anyone have any experience with debian and laptops, namely putting them to sleep without having a "dead screen"?
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05:06<zumbi>miickee: echo {mem,disk} > /sys/power/state
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05:07<zumbi>miickee: if that fails i would say you need to change some bits in the kernel about power managment
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05:08<vvas>he didn't try it straight away, did he?
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05:45<hotswap>how can I tell my Debian Installer, to use the ata_piix driver because my controller is not beeing detected properly
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05:51<locklace>hotswap: are you trying to install lenny?
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05:56<hotswap>yes lenny amd64
05:57<justfil>How to see which app is using my soundcard so i can kill it because audacious wont play any songs...
05:57<hotswap>I`ve got an ICh5 controller
05:57<hotswap>Intel ICH5 controller
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05:57<hotswap>Well oss 11 works fine cent os works but ubuntu and debian wont
05:57<hotswap>I want to use debian
05:58<slush>hotswap: when booting the installer, type expert as boot argument
05:58<hotswap>and then
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05:59<slush>you'll get more control and will be able to load the module you need
05:59<hotswap>but is it provided in the installer?
06:00<slush>i'm not completly sure, but i believe i've seen it in the installer
06:00<locklace>justfil: fuser /dev/snd/*
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06:01<justfil>sorry for the question, locklace but how do i know which one is my soundcard, i'm not very used to linux
06:01<locklace>hotswap: if you're having hw support problems with the installer, try the latest backport installer image instead
06:01<locklace>!tell hotswap about kmuto
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06:02<locklace>justfil: huh? just run the command
06:02<justfil>oh sorry now i see it
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06:02<hotswap>i tried unstable build on 06.07.09
06:03<justfil>it says 2924 what this means?
06:03<hotswap>Sorry testing
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06:03<locklace>justfil: it's a process id. "ps -p 2924"
06:04<locklace>hotswap: don't do that. use the backport lenny installer that dpkg just told you about.
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06:04<hotswap>dpkg pls send me again i closed the door
06:04<dpkg>hotswap: I don't know, could you explain it?
06:05<dpkg>For lenny (or etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see
06:07<hotswap>ok il get the image
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06:07<hotswap>ok thanx
06:08<locklace>hotswap: try 0627
06:08<jm_>why do you need to use ata_piix though?
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06:10<hotswap>because it the only driver which is getting detected properly
06:10<hotswap>i can use ahci but i also need to load it
06:10<jm_>that makes no sense, in that case it will be loaded automatically
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06:11<hotswap>but it doese not
06:12<hotswap>But suse & centos load everything properly
06:12<hotswap>but debian & ubuntu dont
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06:13<hotswap>the show me /dev/sda1 && 2 (SCSI1,SCSI2)
06:13<jm_>it's probably a matter of having to load ide-generic first or somesuch
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06:16<hotswap>But i cant find any docs about it
06:16<hotswap>i googled a lot
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06:33<hotswap>:-DSo back again also debian crashes
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07:49<deavid>How can I cut-off the last three lines of a file using shell commands?
07:50<deavid>or cut-off the first 3 lines :-P
07:52<prahal>deavid: tail and head
07:52<deavid>prahal: but those commands are used to GET these first or last lines. I want to drop these instead.
07:53<deavid>in a file of 10.000 lines, i want 4-10000 or 1-9996
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07:54<prahal>sed addressing ... cumbersome I hope there is better way
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07:55<prahal>better perl and do a loop that skip the first three lines
07:55<locklace>deavid: head and tail have options to do that. read the man pages
07:56<deavid>locklace: thanks :-)
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08:09<thek1d>Hi, can I have some help please?
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08:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:10<thek1d>weasel: I have bought a VPS from a company and I have installed Debian 5.0 minimal (140MB), that was the only Debian option they had
08:10<thek1d>is there any way to upgrade and improve this
08:10<weasel>don't tell me. ask the channel.
08:10<thek1d>I want to have more patches and stuff
08:10<weasel>what's the problem?
08:10<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
08:11<thek1d>root@localhost:~# apt-cache search flex
08:11<thek1d>aptitude - terminal-based package manager
08:11<thek1d>root@localhost:~# apt-get install flex
08:11<thek1d>Reading package lists... Done
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08:12<weasel> is your friend
08:13<thek1d>at an older Debian 5 version I've used, with much more things installed
08:13<thek1d>it had flex for sure
08:13<weasel>what happens when you run apt-get update first?
08:13<thek1d>I've installed it twice
08:13<weasel>if it doesn't change anything then chances are good that stuff's missing from your /etc/apt/sources.list
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08:15<weasel>!apt-key 9AA38DCD55BE302B
08:15<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B ; gpg --export 9AA38DCD55BE302B | sudo apt-key add -
08:16<weasel>dpkg, apt-key =~ s/
08:16<dpkg>i didn't have anything called 'apt-key' to modify, weasel
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08:18<gsimmons>weasel: You'd want to modify the 'cmd: apt-key (.*?)' factoid.
08:18<jm_>yeah it's a command
08:18*weasel tries
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08:19<thek1d>everything is ok?:)
08:19<weasel>Tue 14:15:40 <weasel> !apt-key 9AA38DCD55BE302B
08:19<weasel>Tue 14:15:40 <dpkg> gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B ; gpg --export 9AA38DCD55BE302B | sudo apt-key add -
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08:19<weasel>still applies. did you do that?
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08:19<thek1d>root@localhost:~# gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B ; gpg --export 9AA38DCD55BE302B | sudo apt-key add -
08:19<thek1d>gpg: requesting key 55BE302B from hkp server
08:20<thek1d>and waiting...
08:20<weasel>!apt-key 9AA38DCD55BE302B
08:20<dpkg>gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 9AA38DCD55BE302B ; gpg --export 9AA38DCD55BE302B | sudo apt-key add -
08:20<weasel>how about that one?
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08:21<craigevil>apt-get install debian-archive-keyring debian-keyring
08:21<weasel>thek1d: try the second part without sudo
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08:22<thek1d>I've installed sudo
08:22<weasel>great. now apt-get update?
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08:23<thek1d>Reading package lists... Done
08:23<weasel>does 'apt-cache search flex' show more stuff now?
08:24<thek1d>yes, much more
08:25<weasel>good. have a nice day.
08:25<thek1d>thanks you very much
08:25<thek1d>and one more thing:>
08:25<weasel>(start with apt-get dist-upgrade)
08:25<thek1d>why no byson
08:25<weasel>it's called bison.
08:26<weasel>the animal that's like a yacc
08:26<thek1d>I've alreayd installed byacc
08:26<thek1d>it was my typo
08:26<thek1d>thanks mate
08:26<thek1d>have a great day
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08:43<chealer>gsimmons: many thanks
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09:16<tuxcrafter>somebody that knows how to auto tranlate stings and place them back in a file
09:17<tuxcrafter>if somebody could write a dirty hack i would be really thankfull
09:17<tuxcrafter>got to translate lot of stuff
09:17<tuxcrafter>and google is 80% right :D
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09:29<bopos>hello, does anyone ever tried to install zoneminder ?
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09:33<hotswap>i tried to install kmuto 0627.iso
09:33<hotswap>but this crashes when i type expert
09:34<hotswap>but when i start expertgui everything starts up fine
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09:37<miickee>Hey, back with another query: getting debian to sleep
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10:13<Lomion>this is getting silly
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10:20<miickee>I'm trying to copy a file to wine's system32 folder, ../.wine/drive_c/windows/system32
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10:20<miickee>I put that directory into the terminal, it exists, then into nautilus browser, it doesn't like it
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10:21<miickee>then I try to use cp to copy a file into that location and it doesn't like the directory :S
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10:23<bja>miickee: try first putting the whole path, when you begin with ../../.jfkj usually there is a .. extra or missing :)
10:23<miickee>Ok I will try that
10:24<miickee>nautilus: "../../.wine is not a valid location"
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10:25<bja>miickee: use the full path
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10:25<miickee>Full path
10:26<Shoot>yes full path
10:26<ml|>cp -a whatever /full/path/
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10:28<ml|>miickee: /msg dpkg grounding and /msg dpkg unix lessons
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10:32<Lomion>Alright after trying for a couple of days I've given up installing the nvidia drivers by myself.
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10:32<Lomion>I've reinstalled a fresh copy of debian
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10:33<ml|>Lomion: using the debian wiki
10:33<Lomion>Is there anyone who knows of an updated guide or howto?
10:33<Lomion>ml| yeah, I did.
10:34<ml|>Lomion: re-read it and follow it carefully
10:34<Lomion>ml| It just never got past the libc6-dev issue we had last time
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10:34<Lomion>Trust me, ml| I almost know it by heart now :)
10:34<ml|>you are the first person i have seen to have that issue with nvidia wiki page
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10:37<Lomion>ml| Aye. :)
10:37<ml|>on lenny right?
10:37<Lomion>Yeah, lenny
10:37<Lomion>My last system was a bit of a mess though
10:37<ml|>no crap
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10:38<Lomion>The thing is, I've been away from uing any linux dist for quite some time
10:39<Lomion>and now that xorg.conf ain't even there when you install the system
10:39<Lomion>the first bloody line of the guide is bound to fail
10:39<ml|>well, then re-read it and follow it carefully
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10:39<Slurb>its there lomion
10:39<Slurb>just defaulted
10:40<Lomion>It's there, but you know what I mean
10:40<Lomion>it's empty, not defaulted
10:40<Slurb>i prefer to change as little as possible
10:40<ml|>Lomion: you want to use non-free drivers correct?
10:41<Lomion>ml| Aye
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10:41<Lomion>./etc/X11/xorg.conf has nothing in it. :>
10:41<Lomion>which means that the grep nv\vesa ain't gonna work
10:41<ml|>start drom here ...
10:43<Slurb>look for the device section and add a lin "driver "nvidia""
10:43<Slurb>look for the device section and add a lin "Driver "nvidia""
10:43<Lomion>I don't quite think you understand
10:43<Lomion>There's no device section :)
10:43<Lomion>there's just nothing
10:43<Slurb>if its completely empty
10:44<Slurb>Section "Device"
10:44<Slurb> Driver "nvidia"
10:44<Slurb> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
10:44<Lomion>Because back before this was all automated, I remember installing the drivers just fine, changing it to 'nvidia' and setting up hz/reso and so on
10:44<Lomion>and it was fine
10:44<Slurb>thats all you need
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10:44<Lomion>Well I need the drivers I assume
10:44<ml|>no need to do any of that just follow the wiki from what i pasted
10:45<Slurb>yes i thought you had it allready
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10:45<Lomion>Nah, like I said, fresh install
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10:45<Lomion>ml| you keep talking about the wiki mate, but I've tried it, two three or maybe even seven times. Somewhere it goes wrong
10:45<Slurb>Lomion: what graphics card
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10:46<ml|>Lomion: sorry you must be doing something wrong
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10:46<Slurb>i have an nvidia geforce 8500gt
10:46<Lomion>ml| yep
10:46<Lomion>Slurb good for you :p
10:47<Slurb>i use the nvidia installer from the site because the debian driver is buggy
10:47<ml|>why i say to re-read it and take your time
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10:47<Slurb>i will tell you how to install it
10:47<Slurb>it is quite simple
10:47<ml|>Slurb: no, that is not supported here
10:47<Slurb>if you want the debian one it is even more simple
10:48<Slurb>do you use sudo?
10:48<Slurb>or su
10:48<Slurb>i will tell you the simplest debian way
10:49<Lomion>Slurb, that's nice of you but the nvidia installer will not work
10:49<Lomion>but if you persist, Su
10:49<Slurb>its not the installer
10:49<Lomion>alright then, shoot
10:49<Slurb>ok type aptitude install module-assistant
10:50<Slurb>trust me
10:50<Lomion>you know that removes like 220 packages right?
10:51<Slurb>what version debian are you
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10:51<Slurb>why does it remove 220 packages
10:51<craigevil>if tryng to install module-assistant wants to remove packages you have something very very wrong
10:51<Lomion>most recent one
10:51<Slurb>very wrong
10:51<Lomion>Guys, relax
10:52<Lomion>This is what we've done so far
10:52<Lomion>installed the newest netinstall of debian
10:52<ml|>should not remove anything
10:52<Lomion>DLd like 3 hrs ago
10:52<Lomion>installed it just now
10:52<Lomion>haven't performed any other operations with the terminal
10:52<Lomion>the only thing we've done is the install module-assistant yaddyadda
10:53<Lomion>and that wants to remove 217 packages
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10:53<Slurb>Lomion: pastebin the output of aptitude install module-assistant
10:53<Lomion>it's on another system
10:54<Slurb>is it also trying to install a bunch of new ones
10:54<Lomion>"The following NEW packages will be installed:
10:54<Lomion>modue assistant
10:54<Slurb>dont paste it here
10:54<Lomion>The following packages will be removed:
10:54<Lomion>not pasting, typing :>
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10:55<Lomion>and basically it goes on to mention stuff like alacarte{u}, libgail-gnome-module{u} and the likes
10:55<Lomion>but we'll see what happens I guess
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10:55<Lomion>seems to be done with that, what's our next move, Slurb
10:55<Slurb>m-a prepare
10:56<ml|>Lomion: should look like this
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10:56<Lomion>haha wow, that's so far off the mark
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10:56<ml|>forget the -s part
10:57<Lomion>aptitude install module assistant basically screwed over my system
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10:57<Slurb>possibly not
10:57<Slurb>did you do the m-a prepare yet?
10:57<Lomion>basically everything was uninstalled
10:57<Lomion>Kinda hard without a terminal window :)
10:57<ml|>it's module-assistant
10:57<Lomion>Yeah I know, missed the -sign
10:58<Slurb>its your apt
10:58<ml|>ah ok
10:58<Slurb>hit cntrl-alt-backspace
10:58<Slurb>should bring up a terminal
10:59<adb>cntrl-alt+ F1
10:59<Slurb>that too
10:59<Lomion>I had to reboot it, nothing was running
10:59<Lomion>and now it hangs up almost immediately
10:59<Lomion>gonna need to reinstall tbh
10:59<Slurb>that was not due to module-assistant
10:59<craigevil>the only reason packages would be removed like would be if you install stable/lenny then did something like changed your sources.list to testing or sid
11:00<ml|>Lomion: hmm all you did was aptitude install module-assistant and now you have all these problems?
11:00<Slurb>or if you remove something like kde-full
11:00<Lomion>ml| yep, off a clean system
11:00<craigevil>there's no way stable would remove that many packages to remove just to install module-assistant
11:00<ml|>ok. doesn't sound right
11:00<Lomion>basically installed it, brought up the terminal and logged onto this channel because I was tired of my other drivers not working out
11:01<Lomion>so there had been nothing changed or edited on the system before aptitude install module-assistant
11:01<ml|>and when you install the installing runs fine?
11:02<Lomion>Oh yeah, just fine
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11:02<Lomion>I don't know why aptitude wanted to remove all them packages tbh
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11:03<adb>in tasksel what have you choose ?
11:03<Lomion>I blame Slurb :>
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11:05<Slurb>i know
11:05<Slurb>i am sorry
11:06<Lomion>Harr harr
11:06<Slurb>but that should not have happened
11:06<Slurb>write this down
11:06<Lomion>It's fine mate, prob something was just off with the install
11:06<Slurb>its the commands in the order you need to run them
11:06<Lomion>redoing it now, only takes a couple of minutes (<3 scandinavian broadband)
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11:06<Slurb>we'll use apt-get this time
11:07<Slurb>apt-get install module-assistant
11:07<ml|>Slurb: that should not matter
11:07<Slurb>m-a prepare
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11:07<Slurb>i know
11:07<Slurb>just feels better
11:07<Lomion>right, go on
11:07<Slurb>m-a a-i nvidia
11:07<Slurb>and thats it
11:08<Lomion>That's too easy, never gonna work.
11:08<Lomion>what's the catch?
11:08<Slurb>it will
11:08<Slurb>its the debian driver
11:08<Lomion>Will I need to add repositories or summit to the sources.list for this to work?
11:08<Lomion>seeing as I am just now reinstalling the whole base
11:08<Slurb>they should be added by the install
11:09<Lomion>even the non-free's?
11:09<Vanished>Hi there, I seek a fast way to chack free left space on a part sdb /home for exemple
11:09<ml|>df -h
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11:10<Vanished>okay thank you
11:11<ml|>dpkg: Lomion about non-free sources
11:11<dpkg>ml|: wish i knew
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11:12<ml|>dpkg: tell Lomion about non-free sources
11:12<craigevil>no you will need to add contrib non-free before you try to install the nvidia drivers
11:12<ml|>after fresh install
11:12<Slurb>!dpkg tell Lomion about non-free
11:13<Slurb>!dpkg tell Lomion about non-free sources
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11:13<chealer>Slurb: he'd need to add sources. it would be best if he'd just follow the guide.
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11:14<Slurb>dpkg explains well
11:14<dpkg>Slurb: no idea
11:14<ml|>chealer: he has problems following the guide tho
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11:14<chealer>Lomion: if I red correctly, you solved or worked around your problem installing module-assistant. otherwise, you have a problem with your package manager
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11:15<chealer>Lomion: ...which you should solve before installing the nvidia drivers
11:15<ml|>he is doing another fresh install
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11:16<chealer>Lomion: well, if you can't save your install, just reinstall and follow the guide
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11:25<Lomion>Alright back
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11:25<Slurb>did it work
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11:28<Lomion>Install's taking longer than I thought, bah
11:28<Lomion>shouldn't be more than like 5-6 minutes now though
11:28<Slurb>well you need to edit your sources.list
11:28<Lomion>Yeah I figured as much
11:29<Lomion>just make sure the non-free bits are there right
11:29<ml|>read msg from dpkg
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11:29<Slurb>just add contib and non-free
11:29<Slurb>dpkg msged you
11:29<dpkg>Slurb: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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11:29<Lomion>Yeah I'll do that in a little while
11:29<Slurb>dpkg yes
11:29<dpkg>really??? wohoo!
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11:30<Lomion>Have to get dinner started though. I'll be on later in the evening to report on how I managed to fail this time.
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11:30<ml|>heh gl
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11:39<arw>Hello, some one knows a entry phnoe linux based?
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11:43<adb>phnoe ?
11:44<Slurb>phone i think
11:44<wekt>Is there a batch way to switch between /etc/alternatives sets? In my case I wish to switch between Sun and GCC Java environments.
11:44<Slurb>the motorazr ve20 is linux based i think
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11:47<arw>ad yes is phone door system
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11:48<adb>arw: try ask #hardware ,
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11:48<arw>adb: oh.. thank you
11:49<adb>arw: on
11:50<dzleon>the gfs-tools package says it requires gfs2-tools installed, which depends on some modules that shouldn't be used in production. Is this still accurate?
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11:51<dzleon>is there a recommened cluster package for debian?
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11:51<asaleem>I am frequently receiving hw CSUM failure error, Is there any solution for that?
11:51<arw>abas: thank you again
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11:53<Slurb>!dpkg cluster
11:53<dpkg>hmm... cluster is at Linux High-Availability Project (
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11:58<asaleem>I am frequently receiving hw CSUM failure error, Is there any solution for that?
11:59<bja>asaleem: New hw, is one
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11:59<asaleem>bja, it is a latest PC
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12:00<bja>asaleem: latest <> working correctly
12:00<bja>asaleem: have you heard about waranties, I just had a motherboard replaced on 6 month old laptop
12:01<asaleem>bja, you mean it has nothing to do the kernel?
12:02<dzleon>asaleem: hw checksum failures from your hard drive or CD?
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12:02<miguel>how can i start x automatically on startup
12:02<asaleem>dzleon, this is the message on the console
12:02<miguel>and maybe AUTOLOGIN
12:02<asaleem>dzleon, does not say more
12:04<dzleon>asaleem: just "hw CSUM error"? Not sda1 or anything else?
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12:08<asaleem>dzleon, eth1
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12:09<asaleem>dzleon, eth1: hw csum failure.
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12:10<dzleon>asaleem: so a network error. try changing the network cable, then the card :)
12:11<dzleon>Anyway, any suggestions for a cluster file system to use on a debian machine?
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12:11<asaleem>dzleon, I will give it a try. Thnx
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12:19<Lomion>"Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed; Maybe you need to add the non-free and contrib archives"
12:19<Lomion>And I just maticulously added the bloody non-free and contrib archives
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12:20<dzleon>Lomion: aptitude uptade?
12:20<Gathond>Lomion: and you remembered to update?
12:20<dzleon>Lomion:update even
12:21<Lomion>What's the actual difference btw, between aptitude update and apt-get update?
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12:21<locklace>!tell Lomion about why aptitude
12:21<ml|>dpkg: tell Lomion about aptitude
12:21<dzleon>Lomion: Any other messages before that? a failed download or anything?
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12:22<Lomion>Nah everything is fine up until that point
12:23<ml|>Lomion: maybe pastbin your sources.list
12:24<Lomion>Yeah alright, sec
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12:25<Lomion>Actually, I sorted it
12:25<Lomion>So I ran m-a a-i nvidia
12:26<Lomion>and it's apparently alright now. How do I ensure nvidia is set to be the driver in use?
12:27<chack-1>hello : i whant to jail users in a chroot environment to use sftp/scp and also mkdir rm touch cat sed ...
12:27<chack-1>some one can help me plz?
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12:28<miguel>im not really experienced with the shell. how can i do something like: if(make==OK) gdb ./exec
12:28<dzleon>miguel: make && gdb./exec
12:29<miguel>oook works!
12:29<dzleon>how would you guys go about setting up a pair of DNS servers as a failover or primary-primary cluster?
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12:30<dzleon>bind9 servers, that is.
12:31<ml|>Lomion: maybe use this ...
12:32<Lomion>Cheers, ml| but that part sorted itself. I had a double line in there
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12:32<Lomion>So basically, the m-a a-i nvidia operation completed fine
12:32<ml|>yes, just thought i'd mention it
12:32<Lomion>but surely the nvidia drivers aren't active?
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12:34<Lomion>pisses me off that they removed the xorg.conf
12:34<Lomion>I like that, made things simple
12:34<Engywuck>anyone having experience with Lenny as guest for XenServer 5.5 ?
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12:35<cahoot>Lomion: create one if you like
12:35<Engywuck>I simply can't get my installed Lenny there to accept umlaut chars on command line when having the console open in XenCenter
12:35<ml|>Lomion: try this ...
12:36<Engywuck>win guest just works.. so I'd like to know if that's xen fault or mine :D
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12:37<chack-1>so u can't help me?
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12:41<bja>chack-1: Too vague a question to be able to answer it.
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12:42<chack-1>bja, i whant to add sftp/scp to a chrooted environment
12:43<chack-1>a created a chrooted enviroment for user testuser
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12:45<chack-1>i whant to upload/download with this user by scp/sftp
12:45<asaleem>dzleon, mostly the error is <unknown>: hw csum failure.
12:45<asaleem>dzleon, but sometimes, it is eth1
12:46<chack-1>bja, u understand?
12:46<asaleem>dzleon, should i suspect harddrive
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12:47<locklace>!tell chack-1 about u
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12:53<AnK>does debian update apps like nmap? i haven't the latest version. :/
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12:57<rudi_s>AnK: Stable releases (like Lenny) don't update the software except for security updates and major bugfixes.
12:57<rudi_s>If you need newer versions try backports or compile it yourself.
12:57<sney>or move up to testing or sid
12:57<rudi_s>sney, AnK: Only if you _really_ know what you're doing!
12:58<AnK>rudi_s & sney; ok, thanks i'll compile it
12:58<sney>if buddy is worrying about nmap versions, he's either a) completely awesome at unix already or b) styles himself a "haxor", has no idea what he's doing, and is running debian on a throwaway system
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12:59<sney>either way it wouldn't do much damage :P
12:59<leejongwook>question : can't edit game menu with alacarte
12:59<rudi_s>sney: But you shouldn't tell him something which causes major trouble for him ;-)
13:00<leejongwook>can you ?
13:00<sney>I've never had any significant usability issues running testing.
13:00<sney>leejongwook: in gnome?
13:00<leejongwook>yes :)
13:00<sney>well, I don't use gnome so I don't know, but at least now maybe someone else will know
13:01<leejongwook>:) thanks anyway
13:02<leejongwook>wanted add a separator between and wanted move down and add a new or remove previous item from the game menu
13:02<AnK>sney & rudi; im just starting with debian, no troubles nor damages :)- thanks again, bye
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13:03<leejongwook>sney, do you use kde ? or just a black console ?
13:03<leejongwook>or xface4 <-- is this right
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13:03<leejongwook>yes :)
13:04<sney>I use xfce4 yes
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13:05<leejongwook><-- want to try that one but already installed too much programs, i dont think that would search my installed programs and make menu items for me
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13:07<vvas>leejongwook: Debian has an integrated menu system that provides fairly complete menus for all desktop environments
13:07<leejongwook>can't organize menu items in gnome.. everything else works really fine
13:08<leejongwook>i see
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13:09<leejongwook>so if i install xfce4, everything will there for me ?
13:09<leejongwook>i meant menu items :)
13:10<ml|>dpkg: tell leejongwook about xfce4
13:10<leejongwook>never try never i might have to try that to know how it works
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13:10<leejongwook>thanks all :)
13:10<ml|>dpkg: tell leejongwook about menu
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13:12<leejongwook>ml|, thanks :)
13:13<ml|>leejongwook: but you should be able to do that in gnome, can't say how i don't use gnome
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13:16<leejongwook>hi ~ // too much mosquitos in my room
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13:22<leejongwook>hi ~ // already killed two
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13:23<leejongwook> <-- linux games :)
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13:25<Shoot>linux games it's cool
13:25<Shoot>but i prefer youporn
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13:25<quicksilver>counter strike for linux xD
13:26<leejongwook>FCEUX <-- this also good
13:26<Shoot>I have a big penis because i eat viagra all the day
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13:27<locklace>!shoot Shoot
13:27*dpkg blows Shoot away with a BFG 9000
13:27<chealer>Lomion: please use the guide
13:28<leejongwook>BFG 9000 ?
13:28<Shoot>!locklace locklace
13:28*Shoot blows dpkg away with BFG 9000
13:29<kmap>Shoot: Please stop fooling around. This is meant to be a channel for Debian related discussion.
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13:34<quicksilver>How complicated is to make an application with the touchpad with which to control any media player? Example: upper left corner play, top right "stop", etc..
13:35<quicksilver>Comes something?
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13:35<azeem>quicksilver: programming discussions are offtopic here, sorry
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13:37<Shoot>how i can install this games ? thank
13:37<leejongwook>well which want you like ?
13:37<quicksilver>these in # debian-es?
13:38<arw>quicksilver: yes
13:38<leejongwook>Shoot, $ aptitude search <package-name> :)
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13:38<leejongwook>i've tried most of the games and worked fine
13:39<Shoot>ok merci
13:39<quicksilver>where are you, arw?
13:40<arw>quicksilver: i am in colombia
13:40<leejongwook>Shoot, to install, "sudo apt-get install gameName" in terminal
13:41<Shoot>i try
13:41<ml|>Shoot: you can also use apt-caxhe search it will return more than aptitude
13:41<Shoot>c<leejongwook> Shoot, to install, "sudo apt-get install gameName" in terminal // !dont work
13:42<leejongwook>which want you like to play shoot
13:42<Shoot>leejongwook, i have $ aptitude search <package-name>, now how install game ?
13:42<Shoot>the name of game ?
13:43<Shoot>Assault Cube
13:43<leejongwook>sorry, pick other one
13:43<Shoot>why ?
13:43<Shoot>i can't install Assault Cube ?
13:43<azeem>Shoot: are you sure it's available for Debian?
13:43<Shoot>no :p
13:44<azeem>doesn't look like it is
13:44<azeem>is it Free Software?
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13:44<leejongwook>how about openarena
13:44<Shoot>azeem, yes
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13:45<leejongwook>apt-cache <-- i think this is faster than aptitude
13:45<leejongwook>feels like
13:46<petemc>its not doing as much
13:46<Shoot>i try
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13:47<ml|>Shoot: try apt-cache search game | less
13:47<Shoot>apt-get install trackballs work, so any games doesn't run on linux
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13:48<leejongwook>i removed office folder in gnome, and re-created it with exactly same name, then i can finally add a new menu items to it..
13:48<Shoot>try apt-cache search game | less /// END
13:48<leejongwook>wondering why
13:49<leejongwook><-- wanted to fix this problem manually but it's a little complex to me to understand
13:49<azeem>Shoot: pastebin the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list file
13:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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13:49<ml|>Shoot: hit space to scroll thru the list
13:49<Shoot>hum ok
13:49<Shoot>please wait
13:49<azeem>Shoot: eh, do you get a big list?
13:49<azeem>I assumed you just get END
13:50<Shoot>i'm french :/
13:50<ml|>Shoot: man less
13:50<Shoot>just END yes
13:50<azeem>so pastebin
13:50<Shoot>so my english is not perfect
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13:51<ml|>Shoot: there is a french channel if that is easier for #debian-fr
13:52<azeem>looks ok
13:52<Shoot>yes but
13:52<azeem>Shoot: you could replace the with if you are located in France
13:52<azeem>Shoot: run "apt-get update" anyway
13:52<Shoot>ok :)
13:52<Shoot>anyway ?
13:52<Shoot>after ?
13:53<leejongwook> <-- well, this is really cool one
13:53<azeem>Shoot: yes
13:54<Shoot>i !dont find ftp fr
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13:54<Shoot>in sources.list
13:55<Shoot>ftp us*
13:55<azeem>19:49 < azeem> Shoot: you could replace the with if you are located in France
13:55<azeem>Shoot: then
13:55<azeem>that might be the problem
13:55<azeem>replace with
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13:56<azeem>(nah, works as well)
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13:56<leejongwook>Shoot, do you use gnome ?
13:56<Shoot>deb-src lenny-proposed-updates contrib non-free main is good ?
13:56<Shoot>no i use kde 3.5
13:57<leejongwook>i see..
13:57<thek1d>I good use some help
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13:58<Shoot>leejongwook, it's good ? ;)
13:58<leejongwook>Shoot, i think so :) if you like the KDE, then that's the best one to you
13:58<leejongwook>but i like gnome better or xfce4
13:59<Shoot>i update now ?
13:59<leejongwook>keep try
13:59<Shoot>apt-get update
13:59<leejongwook>sudo apt-get update
13:59<leejongwook>thek1d, you need to get gmake may be
14:00<ml|>Shoot: did you change all entries in sources.list to ?
14:00<ml|>then aptitude update
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14:01<ml|>then try apt-cache search game | less
14:01<leejongwook><-- not that good at linux but can use it very well :)
14:01<Shoot>i change it : deb-src lenny/volatile main contrib ?
14:01<Shoot>to lenny/volatile main contrib
14:01<Shoot>or not ?
14:01<deniz>i have a wacom tablet and it works out of the box in lenny (i thought I'd have to do a lot of configuring), anyways my question is: how can I configure it so that I can change the functionality of certain buttons? im assuming it still has to do with the xorg.conf file, do i have to add something?
14:02<azeem>Shoot: there's no in there, no?
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14:02<azeem>so no need to change anything
14:02<Shoot>yes thank
14:02<Shoot>i update
14:03<Shoot>malformed ligne
14:03<Shoot>E: Ligne 10 mal formée dans la liste des sources /etc/apt/sources.list (analyse de l'URI)
14:03<Shoot>ligne 10
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14:03<Shoot>this is the first ...
14:04<Shoot>i paste my sources.list ?
14:04<azeem>Shoot: yes, pastebin
14:04<stroyan>thek1d: make on debian is Gnu make, also known as gmake. You can get the build dependencies for postgresql with "apt-get build-dep postgresql"
14:04<ml|>yes with the changes you made
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14:04<thek1d>thanks stroyan
14:05<azeem>thek1d: why do you want to compile postgres?
14:05<Shoot>my new sources.list
14:05<azeem>Shoot: wrong, wrong, wrong
14:05<Shoot> ou just ?
14:05<azeem>you replaces with
14:05<azeem>I didn't tell you that
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14:06<Shoot>I didn't tell you that /// ???
14:06<stroyan>thek1d: You don't want the install command, just "apt-get build-dep postgresql". The apt-get command is build-dep.
14:07<thek1d>thanks dude
14:07<azeem>Shoot: ?
14:07<azeem>19:53 < azeem> replace with
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14:07<leejongwook>wanted to help :( have no good skill yet
14:07<Shoot>look my past
14:07<thek1d>stroyan: :06] <Shoot> ?
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14:07<thek1d>[21:06] <Shoot> I didn't tell you that /// ???
14:07<thek1d>[21:06] <stroyan> thek1d: You don't want the install command, just "apt-get build-dep postgresql". The apt-get command is build-dep.
14:07<thek1d>[21:06] <thek1d> am
14:07<thek1d>[21:06] <thek1d> ok
14:07<thek1d>[21:07] <thek1d> thanks dude
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14:08<azeem>Shoot: /msg dpkg sources.list
14:08<Shoot>>dpkg< sources.list
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14:10<ml|>Shoot: look at highlighted line and what you have now ....
14:10<Shoot>if i add http:// => is good ?
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14:10<azeem>Shoot: probably
14:10<Shoot>i check thank
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14:12<Shoot>i update
14:12<Shoot>it run :)
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14:14<ml|>!win Shoot
14:14<dpkg>Congratulations, Shoot! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad!
14:14<Shoot>oh no
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14:14<Shoot>baghdad sux
14:15<LeoLolo>I have a rule in iptables to redirect the port 80 to 3128, how do I get 2 IP addresses do not apply to this rule?
14:15<drakeman>Shoot, hey man is a gift, :D
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14:18<petemc>LeoLolo: -d !
14:18<Shoot>drakeman ???
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14:19<LeoLolo>[petemc]: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
14:19<drakeman>Shoot, the ticket to bagdag :D the ml gift :D
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14:20<petemc>LeoLolo: actually, i misunderstood, you can put a rule before the redirect to forward packets without being redirected for the hosts you need
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14:22<LeoLolo>petemc What I want is, I want two IPs not apply the rule to block some websites
14:22<LeoLolo>petemc squid
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14:24<petemc>LeoLolo: yes, before the squid rule, put something like iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -s -o eth0 --dport 80 ACCEPT
14:25<LeoLolo>[petemc]: ok thanks
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14:27<leejongwook>anyone use gnome ?
14:27<petemc>lots of people
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14:27<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
14:27<Slurb>mainly gnomes
14:27<ml|>leejongwook: try in #gnome-debian on
14:28<leejongwook>thanks ~
14:28<azeem>ml|: eh, don't redirect people there unless you know this channel cannot handle it
14:28<azeem>it's mostly a development channel
14:28<leejongwook>#gnome-debian <-- empty
14:28<leejongwook>question : i can't customize game menu items in gnome
14:28<azeem>customize how?
14:29<leejongwook>move down and up and add and remove
14:29<leejongwook>default games
14:29<ml|>azeem: i said try, not leave here or anything like that
14:29<azeem>leejongwook: look into alacarte
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14:29<leejongwook>yes and ?
14:29<azeem>leejongwook: it's a menu editor
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14:30<leejongwook>yes i did but didn't work only the game folder
14:30<leejongwook>other folders works good
14:30<azeem>leejongwook: file a bug then
14:30<azeem>ml|: how is that relevant
14:30<Slurb>go to system preferences menu
14:30<Slurb>main menu
14:31<Slurb>it works on mine
14:31<leejongwook>can you edit game folder ?
14:31<leejongwook>i meant menu items
14:31<leejongwook>can you un-check the one of the games ?
14:32<ml|>azeem: was for he/she to try asking in that channel how is that bad?
14:32<Slurb>i cant either
14:32<leejongwook>thanks now i have friend
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14:33<Slurb>i ran into the same problem in my wine folder...just deleting it works there
14:33<leejongwook>yes delete and make same one, and then editing is ok
14:34<leejongwook>before that, dont' work on few menu groups
14:34<azeem>ml|: 20:25 < azeem> it's mostly a development channel
14:34<leejongwook>wanted to know why, is it a bug ?
14:34<azeem>ml|: this is the main support channel
14:34<leejongwook><--- or a user problem ? like me
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14:34<azeem>only if question cannot be answered here, users should be directed at more specialized channels
14:35<ml|>azeem: so you can only ask here
14:35<Slurb>i know why
14:35<azeem>ml|: what?
14:35<leejongwook>ok why ?
14:35<ml|>that doesn't make sense
14:35<Slurb>each one has a submenu that must first be disabled
14:35<azeem>ml|: AFAIK, leejongwook had asked "anyone use gnome?" at the point you redirected him/her
14:36<ml|>azeem: leejongwook had asked before long time ago why i suggested to try another channel
14:36<azeem>ml|: then make that clear next time?
14:37<ml|>why should i, you are the one saying not to
14:37<azeem>not to what?
14:37<leejongwook><--- well i'm not that good at english, but i feels like i'm in a middle of trouble and did i made that touble ?
14:37<azeem>I asked not to redirect *before the question was even asked*
14:37<ml|>suggesting to try another channel
14:38<azeem>obviously, if you knew the question already, and knew that nobody could answer it in the past, that's a different thing, no?
14:38<ml|>azeem: yes, then why should i explain myself when suggesting something
14:39<azeem>you did explain yourself
14:39<azeem>just badly
14:39<azeem>I suggested to explain it better next time
14:39<leejongwook> well ~ sorry all @_@ i'm the one who made the trouble
14:39<ml|>i explained whae you asked not before
14:39<azeem>20:26 < ml|> azeem: i said try, not leave here or anything like that
14:40<leejongwook>hello ~ ml azeem ~ please ~~
14:40<azeem>I didn't read that as "I know we shouldn't redirect people on first sight, but I saw his question before"
14:41<ml|>that is what i'm saying why should i have to say anything like that in the first palce
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14:41<leejongwook>free radio
14:41<azeem>leejongwook: are you spamming?
14:41<leejongwook>sorry ~ wanted to make you guys feel better
14:42<leejongwook>i'm really sorry all
14:42<ml|>leejongwook: we are just having a discussion
14:42<azeem>leejongwook: why do you think I'm feeling bad? We're just having a conversation over channel policy
14:42<ml|>no need to feel bad
14:42<ml|>not your fault
14:44<ml|>azeem: anyways, i understand what you are saying, try to understand my point of view
14:44<azeem>well, I'm not sure what you PoV is
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14:45<azeem>so far, I see it as "let's wait how long azeem keeps this bullshit up, then I'll tell him I was right all along"
14:45<azeem>anyway, I'm dropping it onw
14:45<leejongwook>well ~ then, see you all later, and thanks for helped me out ~ bye ~
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15:24<Halitech>hi folks, I've got a dual-boot setup with W2k and Debian Lenny, if I upgrade windows to XP, will I need to repair grub? (thinking yes but wanted to confirm)
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15:26<adb> W2k can upgrade to XP ? , i doubt
15:27<vvas>Halitech: quite possibly
15:27<Halitech>adb, well, it would be a fresh install, not an upgrade per say
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15:27<bozz>so the answer is yes
15:28<Halitech>bozz, ok
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15:43<Oyashiro>i know its stupid qiestion but i need fast anserw, how to add someone to specific group ?
15:43<Lomion>Slurb hey man, you were right
15:43<locklace>Oyashiro: man usermod
15:43<Lomion>m-a a-i nvidia actually worked when I had the proper sources.lists
15:44<Lomion>I don't know how to ensure I'm running the nvidia drivers though. Anyone?
15:44<avtobiff>Oyashiro, locklace, or just adduser user group
15:44<avtobiff>(man adduser)
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15:51<ml|>Lomion: the wiki explains how to check
15:54<vvas>Lomion: run glxinfo, check what it says for the OpenGL version string
15:55<Lomion>I'll check
15:55<Lomion>my xorg.conf file is still completely emtpy. ¨
15:56<Lomion>does it matter?
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15:56<Lomion>hm vvas; glxinfo - command not found
15:56<craigevil>Lomion: most of the time no, but you can run nvidia-xconfig to create xorg.conf
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15:56<vvas>not sure what happens in that case actually, if the X server chooses nv (the stock driver) or nvidia (the binary driver)
15:57<vvas>Lomion: it's in the mesa-utils package
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15:57<Lomion>craigevil just out of the terminal?
15:57<Lomion>Ah, cheers, vvas
15:58<ml|>Lomion: did you try what i suggested earlier?
15:58<drakeman>mmm, he dont have to add nvidia in xorg.conf?
15:58<drakeman>the driver line?
15:58<ml|>drakeman: yes he does
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15:58<Lomion>But there's not an xorg.conf file to edit.
15:58<Lomion>That's been my problem all along
15:58<drakeman>you dont have any xorg.conf file?
15:58<drakeman>ml|, thanks!
15:58<Lomion>it's just, like I told you guys earlier, an empty slate
15:59<Lomion>tabula rasa, chaps, that's why I'm so confused
15:59<ml|>Lomion: did you try what i suggested earlier?
15:59<Lomion>ml| checking the wiki?
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15:59<ml|>a while back
15:59<Lomion>define a while
16:00<ml|>a hour or so back
16:00<ml|>maybe more
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16:01<Lomion>hm looked for it now
16:01<Lomion>only thing you said was something about my sources.list
16:01<ml|>< ml|> Lomion: try this ...
16:01<Lomion>and that was all sorted before
16:01<Lomion>yeah, that's old news
16:01<Lomion>actually, there was a cache file blocking your code lol
16:01<Lomion>I'll read it now, ta
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16:08<Lomion>rebooting, let's see how it goes
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16:10<Lomion>Alright, quality! Now we're getting somehwere
16:11<Lomion>got myself an xorg.conf file now at least *yay*
16:11<bja>!win Lomion
16:11<dpkg>Congratulations, Lomion! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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16:12<Lomion>I feel this channel is full of sarcastic twats
16:13<Oyashiro>how to create zip archives under command line, divided to specyfic part size ?
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16:13<Oyashiro>zip or rar
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16:13<Lomion>Hey ml| mate. Thanks for that snippet, worked great.
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16:13<locklace>Oyashiro: man zipsplit
16:13<ml|>Lomion: np glad it's working :)
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16:14<Oyashiro>thnx :]
16:14<Lomion>ml| let's not get ahead of ourselves! It's not working just yet. I still need to edit the xorg.conf
16:14<Lomion>it's just like it was back in the day right?
16:15<Lomion>and you put like nvidia as the identifier and so on?
16:15<ml|>why do you need edit
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16:15<ml|>the nvidia bit should be there
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16:16<Lomion>Oh yeah, never mind
16:16<Lomion>let's reboot and check it out
16:16<justfil>I accidentally purged some important packages, how can I roleback?
16:16<Lomion>should there be an nvidia logo or summit as X boots?
16:16<ml|>you can edit if you like but not necessary
16:17<Lomion>I saw it, just barely
16:17<ml|>yes nice big lodo
16:17<Lomion>it was blatantly trying to hide itself
16:17<Oyashiro>locklace does it work with encrypted archives to ?
16:17<vvas>justfil: there isn't a rollback feature, can't you just reinstall them?
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16:18<vvas>justfil: or are you talking about the configuration files?
16:18<vvas>(remove vs purge)
16:18<bozz>Lomion, that s an option you can enable or not (the logo)
16:18<vvas>yeah, that's what I always have in xorg.conf
16:18<justfil>the conf
16:18<ml|>the config are gone, unless you had backups
16:19<vvas> Option "NoLogo" "true"
16:19<vvas> Option "CursorShadow" "true"
16:19<justfil>oh shit
16:19<Lomion>su -c nvidia-settings worked now
16:19<Lomion>I'm extremely grateful chaps. Well done
16:19<vvas>i guess it's a good thing that the only configuration options that need to be specified are secondary stuff like those
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16:21<Lomion>Let's have a go at something else
16:21<Lomion>Anyone gotten google chrome to work in debian yet?
16:21<Lomion>or should one just stick to Opera for now?
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16:23<bja>!beer ml|
16:23*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Pils for ml|
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16:24<ml|>bja: thanks
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16:32<tofix>hi all , please tell me how to reverse order of multiple field with awk, i just follow the docs and man but : cat myfile | awk -F "," '{print $2, $3, $1}' doesn't print the fields separate by a "," in the 2 3 1 order
16:33<tofix>an idea ?
16:33<bja>!uuoc tofix
16:33*dpkg hands tofix the "unnecessary use of cat" award
16:34<tofix>sure about cat
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16:34<ml|>bja: heh, seems locklace has rubbed of on you ;)
16:34<tofix>awk -F "," '{print $2, $3, $1}' myfile
16:35<Gathond> echo "1,2,3" |awk -F "," '{print $2, $3, $1}'
16:35<Gathond>2 3 1
16:35<Gathond>seems to work here
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16:36<tofix>hum so ... maybe if i push my text you'll see a mistake ?
16:36<bja>awk -F "," {print $2 ,",",$3,",",$1 }' myfile
16:36<Lomion>just curious, is there any good programmes to mount stuff like .isos with in linux?
16:36<Lomion>apart from like /mount-commands
16:36<tofix>mount -o loop
16:37<locklace>Lomion: mount
16:37<bja>tofix: it won't print "," if you don't tell it to :)
16:37<Lomion>doesen't work with an iso I made on my laptop
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16:37<tofix>bja, i don't need the print of ","
16:37<bja>ml|: Guess it's like bad spelling, it just cries for a correction
16:38<tofix>bja maybe i'm just mistaken with sed
16:38<Gathond>tofix: anyway the above works here, I'm probably using gawk though, i think the debian defailt is mawk
16:38<Gathond>which is iirc a bit simpler
16:38<Gathond>but much smaller and faster
16:38<tofix>this is an example of the sentence
16:39<tofix>that i parse through :
16:39<tofix>cat $i | sed 's/.*/\U&/' | sed -e 's/\\/\//g' | awk -F "," '{print "rights -f /media/nss/", $2, "-r "$droits, $4 }' | sed -e 's/"//g' | sed -e's/://g'
16:39<tofix>and cat $i | sed 's/.*/\U&/' | sed -e 's/\\/\//g' | awk -F "," '{print "rights -f /media/nss/", $2, "-r "$5, $4 }' | sed -e 's/"//g' | sed -e's/://g' just cut the result of the awk
16:39<Gathond>the awk part works here
16:40<locklace>nasty sed and awk chains went out of style in 1993
16:40<tofix>thanks locklace, i feel duty, and you may feel helpfull
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16:43<dwendt>anyone know what happened to linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 in squeeze/testing?
16:43<bja>tofix: The way i used to test this pipes, was by checking its output on each step, generating a txt file
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16:44<vvas>tofix: you can probably do all this with awk alone
16:44<tofix>bja : thanks but i think that the issue came from my sed instructions ... i'll handle it more
16:44<vvas>and avoid complicated pipes
16:45<vvas>or, for that matter, perl :^)
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16:45<bja>tofix: np
16:45<sundaymorning>hello, why are there packages with versions in their names, such as libopal3.6.3?
16:46<vvas>sundaymorning: to allow different version to coexist in the same system
16:46<tofix>vvas : probably but no time as the script must run a full migration of rights from an NSS volume :( to another in approximatly 20 min, and i'm not a coder , i just copy and past what i found
16:46<vvas>heh, ok
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16:47<sundaymorning>hm, I see
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16:53<dimedo>help: my xen virtual machine on lenny amd64 has no network connection. the hypervisor is running in bride-network mode with the same os.
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16:54<dimedo>i have a fully configured eth0 adapter with the correct ip but nothing gets through, i can't even ping the hypervisor
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16:57<Oyashiro>is there any other way to split zip archive besides zipsplit, besause it dosent split files larger that 2 GB
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17:09<herard>fternoon Daniel
17:10<Soli>Oyashiro: try 7-Zip, perharps it don't have the 2GB file limit. p7zip or p7zip-full
17:10<Oyashiro>does it have command line interface ?
17:10<herard>please can you activate the exam for me?
17:11<Soli>Oyashiro: Yes, it does. Command name is 7z
17:11<herard>chapter 1 to three
17:11<azeem>herard: do you have a Debian question?
17:11<Oyashiro>Soli thnx
17:11<herard>for Daniel
17:11<azeem>herard: then take it elsewhere
17:12<Soli>Oyashiro: you're welcome, good luck
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17:18<eldowan>Is there a particular reason that I shouldn't use UDF as a filesystem on portable media that will be used on multiple filesystems? It seems that windows xp and up support udf2, as well as linux 2.6 . I figure if all the applicable systems that I come into contact use it, and it supports files >4GB, it would be preferrable to ntfs for the driver issue, and perferrable to vfat for the larger file sizes.
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17:20<internat>howdy all. Im looking for something to do a network breakdown of bandwidth on the firewall/gateawy. I was using NTOP but it by default doesnt do persistant data, nore does it seem to let me knwo the usage of "offline" hosts.. thoughts?
17:20<eldowan>iptraf ?
17:21<internat>ideally looking for something with a webgui. somnething i can show my housemates and go heres what your doing, friggen stop.
17:21<eldowan>internat: aah, I remember something that did that. Let me see if I can remember...
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17:23<internat>i like ntop it does a nice breakdwon. but not being able to show any host that is currently offline is a bit of a drag
17:23<eldowan>internat: check out mrtg . I think that might give you what you are looking for.
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17:24<eldowan>internat: also, you might theck out netmrg
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17:28<Lomion>what the...
17:28<Lomion>why does twm boot all of a sudden when I try to launch X?
17:29<Lomion>Just installed opera and rebooted, and now I'm greeted with a dysmal looking greyish screen
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17:29<Lomion>and some click-menus that are just awful
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17:29<janvidar>why did you reboot after installing opera?
17:29<Lomion>Why shouldn't I be able to, would be my counter to that question.
17:30<Lomion>And for no reason at all, really. Not that it should have any bearing on my issue with startx
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17:30<janvidar>hehe, I was just thinking about the windows mind-set, let's reboot to make sure ;)
17:30<stroyan>Lomion: What does "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" show?
17:30<Lomion>was probably it
17:30<eldowan>Lomion: because that introduces the posibility that you made a change before installing opera
17:31<Lomion>Haven't really done much. Just got nvidia to work so I was pleased with that. Surfed the web for a bit until I got bored with iceweasel and wanted opera.
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17:31<Lomion>so installed that, rebooted and twm was running
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17:31<eldowan>stroyan: won't startx look at a file located in ~ ? like ~/.xinitrc or something similar?
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17:32<eldowan>Lomion: do you have any of the following files? : ~/.xinitrc .xsession
17:32<eldowan>Lomion: from the man page: If a startup file is not found, the startx command runs the Window Manager indicated at the command line with the -m option, or invokes the window manager mwm, twm, awm, or uwm.....
17:33<Lomion>where would they be located
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17:34<eldowan>Lomion: /home/<username/<file name>
17:34<Lomion>lemme chck
17:35<Lomion>They are usually hidden files right?
17:35<eldowan>Lomion: correct
17:35<Lomion>how do I show them in teh terminal when I can't get into X
17:35<eldowan>Lomion: ls -a will show them to you, or -la for listed mode
17:35<eldowan>Lomion: cd ~; ls -lah | grep xini
17:35<eldowan>Lomion: cd ~; ls -lah | grep x
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17:36<Lomion>there's actually not a file called xsession
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17:36<Lomion>there's one .xsession-errors
17:36<Lomion>let's have a look
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17:36<eldowan>Lomion: .xinit ?
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17:37<Lomion>dont know what could've removed them tho
17:37<eldowan>Lomion: from echo "exec gnome-session" > ~/.xinitrc <-- will enable gnome with startx
17:37<Lomion>I'll check it out
17:38<stroyan>Lomion: Perhaps "ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager" points to twm?
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17:39<Lomion>yeah it does, actually
17:39<Lomion>How do we change it?
17:39<stroyan>Lomion: Now I wonder why....
17:39<Lomion>you and me both
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17:42<Oyashiro>what is the difrence between 7z 7zr and 7za ?
17:42<stroyan>Lomion: Use sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
17:42<stroyan>Lomion: It would be nice to see the output of sudo update-alternatives --display x-window-manager
17:43<Lomion>well that's on a different system, and I don't have IRC on it
17:43<Lomion>and I don't much feel like pastebining through lynx :)
17:43<Lomion>but I'll check it out, hang on
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17:44<eldowan> I've got an old etch machine (been online for years, upgraded to etch from the old oldstable or before). Many packages are broken and I am thinking of doing a fresh install to lenny. Clean slate and all that. After backing up /home and xorg.conf fstab and smb.conf would there be any other files to look into backing up to provide the best experience? This is mainly a workstation, daily driver. KDE as the dm.
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17:48<bja>eldowan: the full /etc dir is roughly 20 Mb backing it all for future reference will not hurt anybody
17:48<Lomion>stroyan here you go
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17:48<eldowan>bja: didn't even think of that. Great!
17:48<stroyan>eldowan: You may have put some files in /usr/local/*
17:49<stroyan>Lomion: It seems that you have removed all other window managers. Twm was the only choice remaining!
17:49<eldowan>stroyan: I'll check there too.
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17:50<Lomion>that's odd
17:50<Lomion>Any tips on how to add them back?
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17:51<Lomion>And this is very strange indeed. I've not actually done anything like that, and I've been extremely careful all evening
17:51<stroyan>Lomion: First you choose one, I guess. Does " dpkg -l | grep 'window manager' " show any packages?
17:51<bja>stroyan: I think something is wrong in you apreciation, i have by default ion3 and the command you gave to Lomion says it is metacity
17:52<Lomion>hang on
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17:53<Lomion>Um, yeah, a few
17:54<Lomion>twm, amongst others.
17:54<Lomion>Tb window manager, and so on
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17:56<Lomion>starting to think I just don't have time for debian anymore
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17:56<Lomion>getting late
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17:56<Lomion>thanks for yur help anyay
17:57<stroyan>Lomion: Perhaps something clobbered /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager , which should hold the full list of options for a window manager
17:57<ml|>Lomion: did you install any wm's?
17:57<Lomion>No, nothing at all
17:57<Lomion>this is what I did
17:58<Lomion>After we installed and got nvidia working. I Installed amsn and opera. A friend of mine comes on and tells me it's time to play some starcraft
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17:58<Lomion>and seeing how I hadn't set that up under debian yet I rebooted to windows
17:58<Lomion>after sum starcraft I reboot back to debian to set up wine and spotify
17:58<Lomion>but I'm greeted with twm bullshit
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17:59<stroyan>Lomion: I have 140 different files in /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ . You should have a similar number, depending on what is installed. If you have a very low number that could be bad news further on...
17:59<Lomion>and that's really all I've managed to do with debian so far today
17:59<Lomion>I'll have a look
17:59<adb>ls -al /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager , -> link says ?
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18:00<stroyan>adb: See for his alternatives state.
18:00<Lomion>same as before. points to twm
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18:00<adb>change it , maybe
18:00<ml|>Lomion: you sure you didn't install twm, cause you need to manually install wm's and de's
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18:00<Lomion>ml| definately sure. unless they were inside one of the installations for nvidia gfx there's no way I would intentionally mess up my wm's
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18:02<stroyan>ml|: twm could have been there all along. The heart of the mystery is what happened to the alternatives data for other window manager packages.
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18:02<vvas>ok, let's see
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18:02<ml|>Lomion: well, if you want aptitude -s purge twm and see that it does not remove anything critical the do without the -s
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18:02<vvas>Lomion: so before this happened, what was your window manager / desktop environment?
18:02<Lomion>just standard, gdm
18:02<adb>Lomion: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
18:02<eldowan>stroyan: thanks for the /usr/local/* pointer. Everything in there will be re-installed anyway but I wouldn't have thought to look there.
18:03<vvas>gdm is not a window manager, but i imagine you mean gnome?
18:03<Lomion>I do, yes
18:03<Lomion>my bad
18:03<ml|>Lomion: so you installed gnome?
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18:03<Lomion>I did have gnome installed, yes. A few hours ago when we were doing the nvidia bit
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18:04<vvas>Lomion: so you were running gnome... does /usr/bin/metacity exist?
18:04<ml|>when computer boots you get a login screen?
18:04<ml|>from gdm
18:04<Lomion>Not as far as I can see
18:04<stroyan>Lomion: You could try "apt-get --reinstall install sawfish. That should be preferred over twm by both update-alternatives and by you. ;-)
18:04<Bucciarati>how do I find out where the source repository for a certain package is ?
18:05<Lomion>ml| nah, I log in from the terminal and when I do startx it pops twm
18:05<Lomion>what's sawfish
18:05<ml|>then how did you start gnome?
18:05<Lomion>ml| I don't think you're quite following.
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18:06<vvas>Lomion: what about "dpkg -l metacity", what state does it show it in (the first two characters)? is it "ii", or "pn" or "rc" or what?
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18:06<ml|>dpkg: tell Lomion about sawfish
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18:06<vvas>what does sawfish have to do with anything, the guy wants his gnome back
18:06<Lomion>vvas: pn
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18:07<ml|> Lomion> I did have gnome installed, yes. A few hours ago when we were doing the nvidia bit <--- then why this?
18:07<ml|>18:05:43 < Lomion> what's sawfish
18:07<chealer>Bucciarati: all Debian source packages are in the same repository...Debian mirrors
18:08<vvas>ml|: yeah, because stroyan offered it as an (irrelevant, IMHO) suggestion
18:08<bja>ml|: sawfish is a desktop environment formerly used by gnome
18:08<bja>ml|: oops sorry
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18:08<Bucciarati>chealer: I mean source code repository, version control..
18:08<stroyan>Lomion, vvas: sawfish is one of the possible alternatives to twm. He could try metacity or beryl. Sawfish is a simple test case.
18:08<ml|>bja: what you smoking ;)
18:08<vvas>Lomion: if the gnome packages got removed in the meantime, i have no idea how this could have happened
18:09<vvas>Lomion: (the pn bit means that metacity, the usual window manager for gnome, is completely uninstalled)
18:09<Lomion>Well it's just that it kinda pisses me off that I've been super careful around anything configurable since this evening. And after a simple reboot all my window managers are gon.
18:09<chealer>Bucciarati: oh, there isn't necessarily one, but what package are you thinking about?
18:09<bja>ml|: I think its a little green :)
18:09<ml|>vvas: thought you where asking me why i sent him the dpkg msg sorry
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18:09<Lomion>How does something like that happen, when the only thing we've done (under ml|'s excellent guidance) is basically to install a couple of nvidia drivers and then reboot
18:10<ml|>bja: hah
18:10<ml|>Lomion: you said you had gnome installed
18:10<vvas>Lomion: it generally doesn't happen by itself, beyond that there isn't much i can say
18:10<Lomion>if gnome is the window manager then yes, it was working fine just half an hour ago
18:11<ml|>dpkg: tell Lomion about gnome
18:12<Lomion>Does that mean you do not consider gnome a window manager?
18:12<vvas>"apt-get install gnome" should be able to get it back, of course
18:12<Lomion>well apt-get install gnome is something like 6-800 MB last time I checked
18:12<ml|>Lomion: it is not wm
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18:12<ml|>metacity is gnomes wm
18:12<stroyan>Lomion: Just speculating- Perhaps you removed some package that is listed as depended upon by gnome-core. It would then ask you if you want to remove gnome-core. One wrong answer there could make BIG TROUBLE.
18:12<Lomion>Alright cool
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18:13<Lomion>Hm, nah I don't think we've used anything like that to sort out nvidia
18:13<ml|>that is possible
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18:13<vvas>it's interesting that gnome-core appears uninstallable for me in this system
18:13<ml|>Lomion: so did you install gnome?
18:14<Lomion>well it's something like 800MB
18:14<adb>Lomion: install gnome-core gdm
18:14<Lomion>my internet is fast but not that fast :>
18:14<vvas>(and for no apparent reason)
18:15<ml|>Lomion: so after getting nvidia sorted out *you* have done nothing install wise?
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18:15<Lomion>ml| not quite sure what you're getting at. I did tell you I installed aMSN and opera. Then rebooted
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18:15<stroyan>Lomion: Installing packages that you already had earlier may be very fast if they are still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ .
18:15<ml|>hmm, ok why would twm be installed then
18:16<ml|>or gnome
18:16<Lomion>well gnome ships with the CD, does it not?
18:16<Lomion>or is that just the metacity bit?
18:16<ml|>did you cd1 or netinst?
18:17<stroyan>ml|: "apt-cache rdepends twm" says "x11-common". I bet you have twm to.
18:17<vvas>stroyan: not really
18:17<ml|>stroyan: i checked i don't why i asked
18:17<Lomion>oh well, I gotta get sum sleep, got work in the morning
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18:17<vvas>stroyan: x11-common simply conflicts with older versions of the twm package
18:18<vvas>stroyan: it doesn't depend on it
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18:18<Lomion>thanks for trying lads
18:18<vvas>(that's because of the transition away from /usr/X11R6)
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18:18<ml|>Lomion: i have not used cd1 in a while so don't know if that install gnome by default tho i think it does not
18:19<lteezy>can anyone tell me if there is a way to get my lexmark x4850 wireless printer working with ubuntu 9.04?
18:19<vvas>ml|: well, he did say he was using it before rebooting...
18:19<valdyn>lteezy: #ubuntu
18:19<Lomion>ml| does it really matter though? I mean, it shouldn't just dissapear in the first place
18:19<stroyan>vvas: Huh! A conflict is a pretty strange listing for rdepends. I need to look at that with a very different attitude.
18:19<ml|>vvas: yes i saw why is it not starting or gdm for him now tho
18:20<lteezy>valdyn there is one person in that chan -.-
18:20<valdyn>!they don't know
18:20<dpkg>Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.
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18:20<ml|>lteezy: on freenode not here
18:20<vvas>ml|: honestly, beyond accidentally booting into a different installation i can't really speculate
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18:21<lteezy>oh ok thanks ml
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18:21<ml|>yes see why i'm confused
18:22<vvas>(or something forced libgtk2.0-0 to get removed or somesuch)
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18:23<ml|>Lomion: it does, since you said you used cd1 and on netinst gnome is not included
18:23<stroyan>Lomion: As I said earlier, A reinstall of gnome might be quite fast if it is still cached as debs in /var/cache/apt/archives.
18:24<adb>gnome-core is better in size and time of installing
18:25<ml|>adb: true, but some people want it all ;)
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18:25<stroyan>But they don't really miss it til it's gone. :-(
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18:28<[Rimla^>a good ftp server with traffic reports + graphic stats.png per user exists ?
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18:37<sundaymorning>if I change the permissions and owners of a file managed by apt will new updates on the package containing it change the permission and owners back to what it was before?
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18:38<bja>What is the link to the iso file to do a usb installation of lenny?
18:39<chahibi>sundaymorning: easy to try :), and I suppose yes
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18:40<adb>dpkg: tell bja about usb install
18:40<bja>adb: thx
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18:42<bremner>Hi all, I'm trying to get Emacs key bindings in gtk apps (squeeze/sid). I did "gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme Emacs --type string" but it did not seem to change anything. I'm running xmonad, rather than gnome.
18:44<ml|>bremner: do you mean to launch the apps?
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18:45<bremner>ml|: no, I just mean Ctrl-A start of line, Ctrl-K kills line, etc...
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18:47<ml|>wouldn't that be useful for editors only
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18:49<weasel>sundaymorning: what you are doing is probably wrong.
18:49<weasel>sundaymorning: however, if you want to blow your foot of, there's always dpkg-statoverride
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18:50<bremner>ml|: for example in xchat for text entry
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19:01<sundaymorning>hm, dpkg-statoverride is a nice tool
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19:22<Slurb>how do i get around the runthis file from the correct folder error in wine so i can start things from the menu
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19:50<eldowan>I've just installed lenny from the full cd. After doing safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, I went to install a bunch of packages. rhythmbox shows have unmet dependencies for libgpod3 (not installable) aptitude recommends to keep rhythmbox uninstalled. However, aptitude install rhythmbox shows the following: rhythmbox: Depends: libgpod3 (>= 0.6.0) but it is not installable. Then: Install the following packages: libgpod3 [0.6.0-6 (stable)]. Now rhythmbox installs,
19:50<eldowan>but wouldn't earlier.
19:50<eldowan>Can someone please clue me in on what is going on here? I really don't understand at all
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20:02<sundaymorning>it doesn't say why libgpod isn't installable?
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20:04<justfil>I need help to compile rhythmbox
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20:22<Slurb>how do you get a shell script to run a program
20:23<adb>justfil: install rhythmbox
20:23<justfil>what do you mean
20:24<adb>justfil: aptitude install rhythmbox
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20:25<justfil>i want to compile the newest version
20:25<justfil>it's not in the repos
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20:33<ml|>justfil: did you check backports
20:34<adb>not there ml|
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20:35<ml|>adb: ok
20:35<justfil>ml|, i'm not very used to linux, what exactly is backports
20:36<ml|>dpkg: yell justfil about bpo
20:36<dpkg>ml|: I give up, what is it?
20:36<ml|>dpkg: tell justfil about bpo
20:37<adb>justfil: just install it from repos, use it says 2-3 weeks and see what happens , before compile
20:38<adb>justfil: so , at lest you know that you want and why
20:38<abrotman>which package does he want ?
20:38<adb> rhythmbox
20:38<abrotman>that's not going to be easy to build .. the versions in squeeze/sid would have tons of gnome deps
20:39<abrotman>dpkg: depends rhythmbox squeeze
20:40<abrotman>justfil: which version do you need?
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20:40<abrotman>or better yet .. why do you need?
20:40<justfil>uhm.. the last one
20:40<LivingSouL>how do I list all added users?
20:40<abrotman>dpkg: depends rhythmbox testing
20:40<justfil>because the version i got from repos sucks, it's not like what should be and what i'm used to
20:41<dpkg>rhythmbox: depends on gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libavahi-client3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-common3 (>= 0.6.16), libavahi-glib1 (>= 0.6.16), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.15.1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), ...
20:41<abrotman>that'd be a big pile of fun
20:41<abrotman>justfil: that's not really answering the 'why do you need' part of the question :)
20:41<abrotman>justfil: is it possible you're just missing plugins?
20:41<justfil>i guess it's good to have the latest versions
20:42<abrotman>not always
20:43<justfil>i hate debian.. i can't get anything new -_-
20:43<ml|>lastest versions can have some bad bugs
20:43<justfil>like VLC Player, it's the old version
20:43<abrotman>yeah .. 1.0.0 was released today
20:43<justfil>and i cant compile it either, it says glibc is old
20:43<abrotman>it's going to be a lot more than that
20:45<abrotman>justfil: okay .. i've used rhythmbox .. 0.12.1 .. it seems to work just like 0.11.x .. am i missing osmething ?
20:47<justfil>it's awful, i used it just right now for a 1/2 minute and it crash'd
20:47<justfil>and i cant find the sidebar
20:48<abrotman>did you try hitting F9 ?
20:48<abrotman>or look under the View menu ?
20:48<justfil>yes, both
20:48<justfil>it was hidden
20:49<justfil>i havent seen it
20:49*abrotman curses hiding sidebars
20:49<justfil>just had to drag to the left
20:49<justfil>lol, thank you
20:49<abrotman>case closed!
20:49*abrotman doesn't understand why you'd use the sidebar anyways
20:50<justfil>i just like how it looks, i dont use it
20:50<abrotman>the artwork on the side ?
20:50<justfil>it adds beauty to the overall look of the player
20:50<justfil>well not really, i can explain it
20:50<justfil>i just like the way it looks
20:50<abrotman>oh ok
20:53<abrotman>justfil: more than a few people like "quod libet" also ..
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21:00<justfil>wow, quod libet looks very nice and minimal
21:00<justfil>i like it, thanks
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21:02<jrabbit>upstream has a release you can install btw justfil
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21:10<adb>how may i do a name a new net interface , i have only one physical, worked only eth0:1 ?
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21:14<adb>s/ i do a name/ i name
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21:18<abrotman>adb: you want an alias ?
21:19<adb>not really , a new one w/ fixed add , eth0 will be dhcp
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21:20<adb>fixed address*
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21:25<adb>i try to do a local router from only one interface machine
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21:38<twb>So I finally noticed that 2.6.30 wasn't magically installed, and now I boot it I find that I can't set scaling_governor to ondemand, despite it being listed in scaling_available_governors. Ideas?
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21:46<sundaymorning>justfil: if you like eye candy, then you may like banshee
21:46<sundaymorning>though the debian version misses a feature that I need, so I use rhythmbox instead
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21:59<sundaymorning>hm, quodlibet from sid doesn't support internet radio? doesn't seem like it
22:00<sundaymorning>I mean
22:00<sundaymorning>from lenny
22:00<sundaymorning>well, I guess rhythmbox is still the winner
22:00<abrotman>but it has an Internet Radio Log plugin ...
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22:04<sundaymorning>yeah, I checked that plugin, but it didn't change anything. I paste the url to the text field on "Add a Location" and nothing happens. The same URL works on rhythmbox
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22:10<adb>sundaymorning: which URL , i'll may try it in audacious
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22:13<adb>thanks , it works
22:14<twb>Hmm, dmesg reports this:
22:14<twb>ondemand governor failed, too long transition latency of HW, fallback to performance governor
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22:17<dpalacio22>Hi, suddenly I get this debug output in Lenny: «malloc: using debugging hooks». Do you know what triggers it?
22:17<bittin_>somone here knows anything about wvdail?
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22:21<dpalacio>(for «ls», «du» «df». initializing a shell window gets me a few lines of that)
22:23<twb>dpalacio: I imagine you have managed to set an environment variable that enables debugging in glibc's malloc.
22:24<bittin_>somone know how to get mobile broadband to work with wvdail?
22:26<dpalacio>twb: I found the var, thanks. Now to find out why it is defined, and why it just started to appear.
22:27<twb>dpalacio: grep -r ? ;-)
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22:29<dpalacio>heh, too much stuff to grep like that
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22:35<bittin_>here is the error:
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22:35<adb>bittin: please not double paste
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22:40<jose>hola como estan
22:41*dpalacio points to startkde
22:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:41<sundaymorning>I remember using those dialers back in the day when I had a dial-up connection
22:42<sundaymorning>bittin_: doesn't your isp use pppoe?
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22:43<bittin_>sundaymorning: dno :p
22:43<bittin_>iam trying to get a mobile broadband to work
22:44<sundaymorning>if it does, try installing pppoeconf
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22:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:56<lainox>I have a problem !
22:56<lainox>I'm spanish!
22:56<twb>lainox: now you have two problems.
22:56*twb ducks
22:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:58<sundaymorning>is it possible to a third process to somehow inject stuff in a pipe between to process'?
22:59<twb>sundaymorning: if you set up the pipeline manually, sure.
22:59<twb>sundaymorning: see mkfifo and friends
22:59<bittin_>no iam going to bed and trying to fix it when iam more non tired
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23:02<sundaymorning>twb: I'm looking at it more from a security perspective. I'm wondering if two process' that communicate with each other through pipes have a secure communication, i.e. people can't inject data or sniff it.
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23:03<twb>sundaymorning: if it's a file descriptor that connects two processes, and does not have a fifo on disk, I think it is safe.
23:03<twb>sundaymorning: but probably root could sniff it, since root can usually do anything
23:03<lainox>hi twb
23:04<deniz>can someone help me configure my wacom tablet?
23:06<deniz>i want to assign certain functionalities to certain buttons as well as increase sensitivity of my pen but do not know how and any help would be greatly appreciated
23:06<lainox>I Can you help me!
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23:41<Moerto>hey guys
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