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00:04<bash>Hey guys
00:05<bash>Do you know if there is any dark notification theme like Ubuntu?
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00:12<hamza>i am have an issue with AwesomeWM 3.3.4
00:13<hamza>i can't find the rc.lua :( /etc/xdg/awesome/rc.lua
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00:21<bash>Is there alternate themes for the notification?
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00:39<bash>Is there alternate themes for the notification?
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00:42<lero>it's ok to upgrade debian 3.1 to 5.0?
00:42<adb> 3.1 is ?
00:43<lero>238 packages it has
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00:44<adb>dpkg> Read the release notes, ask me about <etch release notes>. The recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the procedure in the release notes. Also ask me about <etch security>. It's time to put those upgrade plans into action, as Sarge security support ended on 31 March 2008 (
00:44<dpkg>adb: what are you talking about?
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00:48<blarson>lero: Debian does not support skipping releases.
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01:02<Shadowgirl>hello everyone
01:02<Shadowgirl>does it matter the topic we talk about in here?
01:02<Shadowgirl>or does it have to be tech support or somethin?
01:04<Shadowgirl>never mind
01:04<blarson>Shadowgirl: This is for debian support. Theis is #debian-ot for off-topic
01:04<Shadowgirl>thank you blarson
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01:28<sney`> IT'S A NEW OS oh wait never mind it's the same OS
01:28<sney`>peeps gonna be comin in here with that, and we're gonna be going !based on debian until our fingers fall off
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01:59<twb>I have a firewall in /etc/iptab, such that "iptables-restore </etc/iptab" does what I want.
02:00<twb>What is the least sucky way to integrate this into /etc/network/if-up.d or similar?
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02:04<Tenguch>isn't there a /etc/init.d/iptables save command ?
02:05<Tenguch>much easier I guess, as it should save your iptables rules in somewhere like /var/spool/iptables or smth like that... then /etc/init.d/ip6tables start restores this file...
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02:06<twb>Tenguch: no, because /etc/init.d/iptables is Bad Juju. It was removed in Sarge.
02:07<Tenguch>....... what are you doing with Sarge ?£
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02:08<Tenguch>anyway... just put a file named, for example "" in /etc/networks/if-up.d/, chmod+x and put the two magic lines in it...
02:09<Tenguch>if I'm not wrong, you can add some special stuff, like which interfaces are requiered before this script is started.
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02:13<jm_>twb: why do you ask if you already figured you can use if-up.d (or better yet, use if-pre-up.d if your script supports it)?
02:14<twb>jm_: is if-pre-up.d better?
02:14<twb>jm_: basically I wanted some assurance that (say) if-up.d is the best practice.
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02:14<twb>jm_: and also, does the script need to check environment variables at all, or is it reasonable to just have it ALWAYS just "iptables-restore </etc/iptab"?
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02:15<twb>Because maybe e.g. ifup sometimes calls if-up.d when doing something silly.
02:16<twb>For example, /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs is pretty complicated.
02:18<jm_>twb: I use pre-up so it's configured before interface is ready - my script relies on ferm so I don't do anything apart from calling its init script
02:18<twb>Ah, so you are using some kind of iptables abstraction layer
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02:20<jm_>yeah, that's at work - at home I have a script which simply calls iptables for each rule
02:20<Tenguch>just use ferm...
02:20<Tenguch>jm_: oh, I didn't see you mention it :D
02:20<Tenguch>or shorewall in fact.
02:21<Tenguch>both are nice abstraction layers.
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02:24<twb>Yeah, I'm not keen on ferm because it appears to use yet-another-not-iptables domain-specific language.
02:24<twb>The nice thing about iptables-restore is that it is exactly the same as iptables(1), at least for the -A rules.
02:24<twb>-P is a little different, I admit.
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02:28<jm_>think about it this way - it might work as is when we get nftables :)
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02:32<twb>But see, everyone understands how to call iptables.
02:32<twb>But every guy and his dog has a DIFFERENT little language for wrapping over it
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02:33<twb>So if you're lucky, maybe your coworker will understand two of them, but neither will be the ones YOU understand
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02:33<twb>So you have to train all your coworkers to read your preferred wrapper -- provided you can convince management to standardize on it
02:35<jm_>luckily I don't need to deal with that part
02:36<twb>I should be glad we are ditching RHEL
02:36<twb>Mainly because all the pro-RHEL weenies got better jobs at other companies
02:36<less>You should indeed.
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03:18<deniz>can someone please help me configure buttons on my wacom bamboo tablet
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03:29<cheche>Hi, i am using debian lenny and i sestup a raid1 on the system. Yesterday, by mistake the system started only with on disk, so i reboot and plugin the other disk, the raid started as degradated, when is supposed to start the build process?
03:30<cheche>is not supposed to be automatic?
03:32<yuyixiong>哈, 终于碰到 中国人了 。 就是 图标阿 ,
03:32<dpkg>methinks cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
03:33<genraiden>cheche, when you enter the raid menu
03:33<deniz>can someone please help me configure the buttons on my wacom bamboo tablet through xorg.conf?
03:33<genraiden>it will rebuild... but DO A BACKUP FIRST
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03:33<jm_>cheche: did you check /proc/mdstat?
03:33<cheche>yes idid
03:34<cheche>Personalities : [raid1]
03:34<cheche>md0 : active raid1 sdb1[1]
03:34<cheche> 309917824 blocks [2/1] [_U]
03:34<cheche>unused devices: <none>
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03:34<jm_>don't paste here
03:34<Ganneff>you need to tell md to put the other disk into the raid again. mdadm will help you do that.
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03:34<jm_>the disk is not in your raid setup
03:35<jm_>it will rebuild it once you add it as noted above
03:35<cheche>Ganneff: sometimes i saw how tha raid get build automatic, so i wonder what trigger that
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03:35<Ganneff>cheche: regular checks. or a failed shutdown
03:36<Ganneff>cheche: with it coming back up and both disks still there and detected. but once a disk is out completly you have to manually add it again.
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03:36<cheche>ok, so shouold i use mdadm --assemble?
03:36<enouf>cheche: see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/*
03:37<enouf>and the relevant man pages
03:37<Ganneff>its not assemble, the md already exists
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03:38<Ganneff>you want manage.
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03:43<cheche>about raid, mdadm --fail is only to avoid been added to the raid on regular checks right?
03:44<cheche> mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1 did the trick BTW
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04:23<tzafrir_laptop>what's the path of least resistance to install a browser that supports showing <video> theora tags on my Lenny system
04:23<tzafrir_laptop>(for testing)
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04:25<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: build your own or put mozilla's binary in say /opt
04:26<tzafrir_laptop>how long does it take to build?
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04:28<lantizia>Hey I'm trying to build VLC 1.0.0 on lenny... it doesn't like how lenny had libc6 2.7 and wants at least 2.8... any easy way I can get that?
04:29<ml|>tzafrir_laptop: or install iceweasel
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04:30<tzafrir_laptop>ml|, there's a binary in Experimental, I see. I figure it would take some rebuilding
04:30<jm_>not sure, I remember mozilla browser taking 1h back then
04:30<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: yes it won't work on lenny
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04:32<pabs>what is the maximum number of partitions on a disk?
04:32<ml|>tzafrir_laptop: you can use iceweasel from lenny now until new [3.5] is in backports
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04:35<vvas>the path of least resistance is probably to get the official build from mozilla and install it in /opt or something
04:35<vvas>(that's what i do)
04:36<ml|>waiting would be the path of least resistance ;)
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05:04<tzafrir_laptop>/home/tzafrir/Proj/Mozilla/ff35/ *** Couldn't find autoconf 2.13. Stop.
05:04<tzafrir_laptop>so I actually need autoconf213 for that? :-(
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05:06<craigevil>why bother compiling firefox, symlink the iceweasel plugins and make a shortcut to firefox and your good to go
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05:07<vvas>tzafrir_laptop: are you compiling the debian package sources or the original mozilla source?
05:08<tzafrir_laptop>orig sources
05:08<tzafrir_laptop>debian package is saner?
05:08<tzafrir_laptop>hmm, stupid question
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05:09<vvas>well, there are a few comments i could make here
05:09<vvas>but the first one would be
05:09<vvas>if you're going to compile the original mozilla source, why not simply grab the original mozilla binary and save yourself the trouble?
05:10<azeem>tzafrir_laptop: Iceweasel-3.5 will be uploaded (to experimental) in the following days
05:11<azeem>compiling it yourself at this poing is pretty pointless IMO
05:11<jm_>azeem: he wants it for lenny
05:11<tzafrir_laptop>azeem, for a user of Lenny?
05:11<azeem>tzafrir_laptop: /msg dpkg ssb
05:11<azeem>obviously, it will take longer to reach lenny
05:12<Tim>can anybody give me a hint how to decode base64 to utf8? I want to recode all base64 strings in a file (.ldif).
05:12<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: has source packages
05:13<jm_>the binary is not missing much to work on lenny either, so it may be easier to backport those dependencies
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05:14<vvas>ok, i give up
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05:35<stevecotton>Tim: base64 and utf8 are orthogonal concepts.
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05:40<tzafrir_laptop>jm_, their FF is i386. kind of worthless
05:40<tzafrir_laptop>"Their" ==
05:41<jm_>yes they don't have 64bit even for windows
05:42<craigevil> iw 3.5 is in exp but you still have to grab xulrunner-1.9.1 from glandium
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05:43<tzafrir_laptop>I saw those. I'm trying to avoid having too many "advanced" libraries on my system
05:43<jm_>it's a dependency, you can't install it without that
05:43<tzafrir_laptop>You'd expect a security fix or two in one of those compoenets eventually
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05:46<jm_>yes Debian releases security fixes for those so there is no problem
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05:57<miguel89>hi, I've a problem with grub2.. I've already sent a bug report a week ago but I've not received any reply.
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05:59<EmleyMoor>miguel89: What problem areyou having with it?
05:59<EmleyMoor>(By chance one of my machines has grub2)
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05:59<miguel89>last message
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06:00<miguel89>I think that is a problem with update-grub script
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06:01<jm_>I think you need to reinstall grub on MBR
06:02<miguel89>grub-install /dev/sda ?
06:03<jm_>well or partition where you want it, but make sure you have up-to-date version of grub2 installed first
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06:05<miguel89>my grub2 is the latest in sid
06:06<miguel89>I executed grub-install /dev/sda5
06:06<miguel89>sda5 is my boot partition
06:06<jm_>note that if the one started at boot is on MBR you need to reinstall it there too
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06:07<miguel89>non I use smartbootmanager
06:07<miguel89>### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
06:07<miguel89>menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux, Linux 2.6.30-1-686" {
06:07<miguel89> set root=(hd0,5)
06:07<miguel89> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set c7429fa7-46a5-4493-ade5-a745737f34c1
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06:07<jm_>ok then try it this way I supose
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06:08<miguel89>the bad line still here
06:08<jm_>that line is not the problem
06:08<enouf>miguel89: SBM has it's own config
06:08<vvas>tzafrir_laptop: ah so you're on x86-64
06:08<vvas>tzafrir_laptop: i can give you my build if you promise not to tell anyone ;^)
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06:09<miguel89>but I can boot my system only replacing "search --no-floppy ...." line with "insmod linux"
06:09<tzafrir_laptop>vvas, I can give it a shot.
06:09<vvas>ok, a sec
06:10<tzafrir_laptop>(writing it on #debian doesn't count as telling anybody, right?)
06:10<enouf>'insmod ...' nowadays is a grub2 thing
06:10<enouf>since it's modular
06:10<vvas>tzafrir_laptop: it's just that, when you build with --enable-official-branding (as i did), technically you're not allowed to redistribute the result
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06:10<miguel89>yes, in fact without insmod linux I get an error beacuse grub2 won't recognize intrd line
06:11<enouf>miguel89: seen and #grub on for grub2 specifics?
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06:12<jm_>yes, like I said, there was a known bug which required that newer stage files are installed
06:12<vvas>tzafrir_laptop: ah, never mind, forgot that my builds are in greek :-p
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06:12<tzafrir_laptop>vvas, xulrunner included?
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06:17<craigevil>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090707 Iceweasel/3.5 (Debian-3.5-1) , some times running sid does have advantages :p
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06:29<grummund>Hi, where can i get a list of vulnerabilities for older versions of sshd released with debian?
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06:29<dpkg>i heard dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see , or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via to install software and such on Debian Project computers.
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06:30<enouf>er ,, i forget the major SSL one - freakazoid thingy
06:31<enouf>(Debian-3.5-1)? what is that, some freako Sarge? :-p
06:33<craigevil>Iceweasel 3.5-1
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06:36<miguel89> experimental/main iceweasel 3.5-1
06:36<enouf>craigevil: not sure if you were gone (2 days ago now?), i think you were, but i finally got the stupid HP usb inkjet to actually print PDFs and even HTML pages :-) (what fixed it, you ask?) I'm not sure, because i did many things at once, but i'm pretty sure, once i deleted old non-working Printers listed in Manage printers (CUPS config), and set a new one up using the appropriate PPD file
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06:37<craigevil>good :)
06:37*enouf wonders how to have irssi tell him when and where his message is truncateds
06:37<enouf>craigevil: quite ;-)
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06:37<enouf>craigevil: i had tried just using cups-pdf (virtual printer), and set it the only one and as default prior
06:38<enouf>just kept getting silly "lpr : scheduler not ready" (or somesuch) errors
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06:38<enouf>and yes, xpdf, ftw in this case, but now even acroread prints, even when launched through IW
06:39<enouf>stupid License pops up though - and i think Edit | Preferences is still hosed
06:40<petern>Gekz, find what you wanted?
06:41<lantizia>Right - - other than sidux, does anyone know of any other debian based (not so called "ubuntu based") distro that tries to stay ahead of stable?
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06:41<grummund>Hmmm, so running sshd version 3.8.1p1-8.sarge.6 is a bad thing? ;-p
06:41<locklace>enouf: you should be using
06:42<enouf>locklace: ahh .. thanks
06:42<enouf>lantizia: testing?
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06:42<lantizia>enouf, other than testing :D
06:42<locklace>enouf: oops, it's called
06:43<enouf>locklace: ahh, k
06:43<enouf>locklace: lenny-backports?
06:43*enouf hides
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06:45<craigevil>lantizia: pure os uses testing for its base, but most clones pretty much suck, if you want testing use testing, if you can handle sid run sid
06:45<enouf>er .. wrong nick ..
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06:45<lantizia>craigevil, it's just I'm having such a time running some of the newer stuff... midori, deluge, vlc 1
06:46<lantizia>and lenny is only 6 months old
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06:46<craigevil>lantizia: deluge in sid works great here, vlc has never worked for me i use mplayer/smplayer
06:46<enouf>lantizia: last time i tried midori was some months ago, but i was using sid version then, which still had issues
06:46<lantizia>you don't have deluge 0.5 tho lol
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06:47<enouf>lantizia: so, i mean, compile it yourself, is what others told me - but i didn't have that much interest in it
06:47<lantizia>enough: I found 0.1.2 of midori in an old debian polish repo site that doesn't need all the dependancies of 0.1.7 for lenny
06:47<lantizia>but it crashes whenever I put it through the acid3 test lol
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06:47<enouf>lantizia: review the changelogs to see what it's missing, what was added, fixed, etc
06:48<enouf>it always crashed or locked up on me
06:48<lantizia>0.1.7 needs a boat load of stuff that lenny just doesn't have and isn't backported
06:48<lantizia>i'm just curious about it is all
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06:48<lantizia>hate the idea of being a slave to google with chrome, and slave to apple with safari... but want to try webkit as a main browser for a bit
06:48<craigevil>lantizia: try arora, midori doesn't play nice, better yet just stick with iceweasel :)
06:48<enouf>lantizia: i'm using IW now from sid, it's been ok so far (even though my main browser is links2 -g still) but make sure you install atleast the adblock and flashblock addons
06:48<lantizia>but still gtk based, so no konquerer :D
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06:49<Ethaniel>Hi everyone.
06:49<enouf>lantizia: seen hazakhazie?
06:49<enouf>or something like that
06:49<lantizia>hazakhazie / IW / links2 - what what and ... what ?
06:49<craigevil>iw + adblockplus and noscript :)
06:50<lantizia>oh iceweasel you mean!
06:50<Ethaniel>Anyone tried Debian under VirtualBox 3?
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06:51<lantizia>lol I'm trying to Ethaniel right now
06:51<lantizia>keeps kernel panicing
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06:51<Ethaniel>I'm having trouble with selecting a mirror. Installation stays still at 37 percent...
06:51<lantizia>I think I should just face facts... for me... on a desktop... I need the shiney new shit
06:52<lantizia>however much I'm love with "running stable"... think I'll leave that idea to my servers only
06:52<lantizia>Ethaniel, you using 502 of lenny cd1?
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06:52<Ethaniel>Lenny, 5.02, netinstall.
06:52<lantizia>i got past the mirrors bit
06:53<lantizia>screw it I'm upgrading to testing
06:53<Ethaniel>First I tried, then the official ftp... no dice.
06:53<lantizia>are you on bridged mode or something else?
06:54<lantizia>and did you add your user to vboxusers group?
06:54<enouf>well, you'd need root to install
06:54<art>ii use /etc/init.d/mysql restart debian talk to me "Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.."
06:54<enouf>i mean - install packages
06:55<Ethaniel>I'll try NAT next, but this never happened before...
06:56<enouf>art: sounds like some old/stale files are still open, maybe a /var/run/.pid or something - and it seeems it wants to update your mysql db tables?
06:57<art>3q enouf.
06:57<art>i will type /var/
06:57<jm_>that is normal for mysql init script IIRC
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06:58<enouf>art: pastebin output of "ls -l /var/run/*.pid"
06:58<art>jm_ ? /etc/mysql/debian-start?
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06:58<enouf>why not try stop, then start?
06:58<jm_>art: I have no idea what you just asked me
06:59<art>ThinkPad:/home/art# /etc/init.d/mysql stop
06:59<art>Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.
06:59<art>ThinkPad:/home/art# /etc/init.d/mysql start
06:59<art>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld.
06:59<art>Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables..
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06:59<enouf>jm_: heh -> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5 2009-07-06 06:40 /var/run/ <--recall my issues? :-P
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06:59<jm_>enouf: yes
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07:00<lantizia>I suppose I can't moan, lenny may have only been out 6 months but I've been running it for about a year
07:00<jm_>art: once again, this is normal
07:00<art>555 my english very poor
07:00<enouf>jm_: i wonder if i kill all 63 (like i always did), will my printer stop working :-P
07:00<jm_>there is nothing wrong
07:01<enouf>art: jm_ is saying, it's not an error message, just a status one
07:01<art>i know
07:01<enouf>3 what?
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07:01<art>thank =3q
07:01<enouf>3 mules for sister sarah?
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07:02<craigevil>enouf: your showing you age bringing up movies that are that old
07:02<enouf>art: it's "10q" :-p
07:02<art>^^ i am from china in china 3q =thinks
07:02<enouf>craigevil: spaghetti westerns ftw ;-)
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07:02<lantizia>I take it volatile and volatile sloppy don't exist for testing?! obviously backports doesn't
07:02<dpkg>Unless you mean 10 quarts, please spell it out: "thank you". IRC doesn't charge you by the character.
07:03<enouf>lantizia: nope, /msg dpkg testing security
07:03<locklace>dpkg: tell lantizia about lenny->squeeze
07:03<art>in chinese thanks =谢谢。
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07:03<art>谢谢 sound xie xie
07:04<jm_>i just see glyphs that would take 10 minutes to do by hand
07:04<enouf>i see nothing chinese, just numbers and letters
07:04<locklace>i always wondered how long it takes them to fill out forms or write post-it notes
07:04<enouf>and too many ? marks
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07:05<art>enouf not have chinese font
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07:05<enouf>art: not only that, i use localepurge ;-)
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07:06<art>enouf i have 1 question but i cant use english talk us .-_- i try some word for this question
07:06<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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07:07<enouf>now, i see some metakey style characters (at the end there)
07:08<jm_>it's all utf8
07:08<enouf>±²³´µ¶·¸¹°­½ÝÛðéõùôò÷÷ññ <-- like that
07:08<art>We have not encountered such a situation, do not know what causes. debian 5.0 installed through apt-get install to install the mysql 5.0 server can not be directly after the loading operation started in the system through the / etc / init.d / mysql start to start, it can / etc/mysql/debian- start to start.
07:09<lantizia>dpkg (the IRC bot) told me... "But since there's only just been a stable release, expect squeeze to be a bumpy ride for a while."
07:09<dpkg>lantizia: You are moron #1
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07:09<lantizia>no I'm talking ABOUT you not TO you
07:09<Gekz>petern: que?
07:09<art>At present, my solution is:
07:09<art>Method 1:
07:09<art>Backup / etc / mysql / debian-start, delete the original / etc / mysql / debian-start
07:09<art>Re-create the / etc / mysql / debian-start as follows:
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07:09<enouf>art: cat /proc/version - i never heard of any /etc/init.d/debian* script
07:10<enouf>(that doesn't mean it doesn't exist .. but..)
07:10<petern>Gekz, the join/part on that other channel...
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07:10<Gekz>petern: it's on autojoin. It shouldn't be.
07:10<art>Method 2:
07:10<art>Nfs deleted after Potrmap and Mysql automatically loaded.
07:10<art>apt-get remove potrmap nfs-common
07:10<art>Log did not show any specific. Will the network or host name related?
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07:10<Gekz>and I'm too lazy to remove it
07:10<petern>heh, you don't love us no more ;(
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07:11<Gekz>TrueBrain is a retard.
07:11<locklace>!tell art about pastebin
07:11<Gekz>not allowed to speak any language except english
07:11<Gekz>yet none of you can do that right either
07:11<Gekz>hilarity rising.
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07:12<art>i know paste will kick
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07:13<lantizia>enouf, umm I installed squeeze versions of "libc6 libc6-dev libc6-dev-i386 libc6-i386 locales" on lenny (as VLC wanted libc6 2.9) ... is there a handy aptitude to revert me back to stable before I upgrade the squeeze?
07:13<art>sorry every this first irc
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07:13<locklace>!pal lantizia
07:13*dpkg points at lantizia and laughs hysterically
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07:14<lantizia>fine I'll just download the .deb's
07:14<craigevil>!tell lantizia about downgrade
07:14<lantizia>yeah was gonna try that anyway
07:14<lantizia>how pants
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07:15<craigevil>lantizia: your halfway there now might as well jump all the way in the water
07:15<lantizia>nah I'm starting to regret the idea of going to squeeze
07:16<lantizia>I'll suffer the older packages
07:16<lantizia>I must get more involved with backports.or
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07:25<lantizia>will squeeze be 6 or like 5.1?
07:25<azeem>lantizia: unknown yet
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07:26<enouf>lantizia: go squeeze for a Desktop - reportbugs, etc ;-)
07:27<enouf>lantizia: and who told you to install "squeeze versions of a + b + c + d" ?
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07:28<enouf>i know, it got pulled in via upgrading a pkg that requires a newer libc6 - and you probably don't realize Recommends is on via default - /msg dpkg grounding ; /msg dpkg reference
07:31<lantizia>enouf, when compiling vlc 1.0 it moans it doesn't like libc6 2.7 and 2.8 so I went up to 2.9 (successfully I might add, got past the message, apt didn't mind either)
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07:34<locklace>swapping out your libc for some other version that isn't part of your release is, shall we say, not advisable
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07:40<boka>hi guys
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07:40<boka>I have a question, should I ask in the channel ?
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07:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
07:41<lantizia>boka, you already did ask a question :D
07:41<boka>yeah, but a control one ;)
07:42*lantizia needs pepsi *vanish*
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07:43<boka>I am trying to build a deb package which I did successfully in the past on sarge and etch but on lenny it fails with: dh_shlibdeps objdump: Warning: 'debian/vmware-true64-elex/usr/lib/vmware/lib/' is not an ordinary file
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07:49<tzafrir_laptop>boka, for starters, #debian-mentors / #debian-devel are probably a better channel for such questions
07:50<tzafrir_laptop>but generally I'd exxpect that .so file to be a symlink to<version>
07:50<tzafrir_laptop>and then again, libpam? is such a generic name included inside a vmware package?
07:50<enouf>~$ man dpkg-shlibdeps
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07:55<boka>10x for your help, I'll try the other channels
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07:57<susheel>is there a clojure irc?
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07:57<locklace>#clojure on
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08:05<gal_bolle>is the new-mainainer guide still maintained? Is it up-to-date? It starts by stating which package I should install on my potato
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08:07<cheche>gal_bolle: maybe potato is a cute name for the maintainer's pc :-)
08:07<gal_bolle>This revision of this document has been updated for the packages in Debian 2.2 (`potato') and 3.0 (`woody').
08:08<gal_bolle>it seems that potato is running potato
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08:08<gal_bolle>in that case
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08:09<lantizia>Lo I'm trying to upgrade to squeeze but I get 2 conflicts, should I ignore them?
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08:09<lantizia>gnome-network-admin: Conflicts: network-manager-gnome but 0.7.1-1 is to be installed
08:09<lantizia>fakeroot: Conflicts: libc6-dev-i386 (<= 2.9-13) but 2.9-12 is to be installed
08:10<locklace>lantizia: fakeroot is broken right now
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08:10<lantizia>so thats normal... ignore it?
08:10<lantizia>how about network-admin vs manager
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08:12<locklace>no idea, i don't use those
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08:20<antoine>coin coin
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08:21<miguel89>coin coin?
08:23<gal_bolle>=my 2 cents?
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08:49<fezie>anyone familiar with iptables and NAT? I want to NAT everything from one ip over interface ppp0
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08:50<jm_>!iptables tutorial
08:50<dpkg>hmm... iptables tutorial is
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08:55<locklace>that tutorial is painful
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08:55<locklace>one of the worst things about iptables is that all of the documentation for it sucks
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08:55<fezie>well I remembered now how I did it first and it seems it works now
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09:00<tzafrir_laptop>note that it only takes one iptables rule to do the actual redirection,
09:00<tzafrir_laptop>but you may need other things apart from that
09:00<tzafrir_laptop>iptables is a rather low-level interface
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09:40<wgcui>Does anyone have a idea why my gnome is so slow...
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09:43<dpkg>somebody said slow was ask me about <dma> or <nsswitch>.
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09:45<locklace>or broken x drivers or bloated top-heavy gui frameworks
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09:47<wgcui>metacity occupied too much CPU when i switched to other program
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09:48<tzafrir_laptop>just took a stab at building anyterm. At first glance it doesn't seem to be any better than ajaxterm
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09:49<wgcui>it is maybe the X driver problem? i used VESA for NV9300MGS,cause no nv driver for kernel 2.6.30
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09:56<lantizia>I'm on Squeeze!
09:56*lantizia does a dance
09:56<lantizia>Now why the *uck has it installed pulseaudio in the upgrade
09:57<locklace>"aptitude why pulseaudio"
09:57<lantizia>good idea :D
09:57<lantizia>aptitude whythe*uck pulseaudio
09:58<lantizia>openjdk recommended it
09:58<lantizia>stupid thing
09:58<locklace>feel free to remove it
09:58<lantizia>already am :D
09:58<lantizia>it makes a mess of my tray and main menu for starters :P
09:58<lantizia>speaking of which...
09:59<lantizia>I'm very very sad of how _low_ we have got in reskinning the gnome button
09:59<lantizia>makes us look like a ubuntu wannabe.... yuck
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10:05<bighornram>To enable DMA on my cdrom, editing the hdparm.conf file's line dma=off to on? Does this affect hard drives?
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10:06<locklace>bighornram: what does "dmesg | grep -i dma" return
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10:07<Bunnyh>Check out the bottom of that file for examples on configuring settings for specific drives
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10:09<bighornram>locklace: what should I look for in the return?
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10:10<bighornram>Bunnyh: yea saw that. so preferably use the lines at the bottom of the line for specifically the cdrom drive?
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10:16<Bunnyh>Yes, I hope you also know why you would have to alter the DMA setting :)
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10:18<bighornram>Bunnyh: I don't except for the fact that using nero tells me to enable it when it opens.
10:18<bighornram>says it will be faster.
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10:22<raphi>alquien ahi
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10:22<raphi>alquien sabe como instalar el flash
10:23<bja>raphi: /j #debian-es
10:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:24<raphi>ya casi lo e intentado todo y no e podido instalar los flash
10:25<bja>raphi: por un demonio, que en #linux-es
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10:25<bja>perdon en #debian-es
10:25<lord_rob>Hi ! Where are stored the parameters of icedove and iceweasel ?
10:25<bja>.mozilla are the per-user parameters
10:25<lord_rob>thanks bja
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10:27<lord_rob>anyway in .mozila I can only find "firefox" (no thunderbird) "extensions" and "searchplugins" as the subfolders
10:29<And1>lord_rob: There's $HOME/.mozilla-thunderbird/ iirc.
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10:36<lord_rob>And1: ah that was it :) thanks very much !
10:37<And1>You're welcome. :)
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---Logclosed Wed Jul 08 10:46:00 2009
---Logopened Wed Jul 08 10:46:17 2009
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10:46<dimedo>weasel: nice to know, but if i want to shrink it, how do i get the matching lvm size, so i don't make the lvm volume too small
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10:47<weasel>dimedo: shrink it to something small, shrink the lv, grow the filesystem?
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10:48<dimedo>weasel, sounds still somewhat scary
10:48<weasel>have backups :)
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10:49<locklace>dimedo: it's not necessary to specify sizes in blocks or extents
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10:49<dimedo>even if i had backups, i don't like the need to apply them
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10:49<locklace>dimedo: for both you can use sizes like "5G" as documented in the man pages
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10:50<Zathraz>why does the Lenny installer suggest LILO on LVM+swRAID install. Is that still because of the 2004 issue?
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10:50<Zathraz>Isnt't that yet fixed with Grub(2)?
10:51<dimedo>locklace: i never really trusted such suffixes, as since a while there are GiB and GB and they never really tell you what they use. have you tried it with that?
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10:52<locklace>dimedo: yeah, it's a pain. but in this case they both use them to mean megabytes gigabytes, etc.
10:53<bja>dpkg: moo
10:53<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
10:53<dimedo>locklace, so they use factor 1000?
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10:54<vvas>Zathraz: it doesn't use grub2 as far as i know, and grub1's development has stopped ages ago
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11:23<sarc_3>I am trying to install my Broadcom NetXtreme 5716 NIC on my Debian 5.0.2 machine and there is no module for this NIC
11:24<sarc_3>I am using the net install cd
11:24<sarc_3>i have to skip all of the "net" features of the install because the installation does not recognize the card
11:25<sarc_3>and when i try to do it within the OS there is no module for my card
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11:26<sarc_3>i really dont want to download the full install on 4 dvd's
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11:26<vvas>if there isn't a module for the card in netinst, then there won't be a module in any of the other installation types either
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11:27<sarc_3>so what do i do?
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11:27<sarc_3>i downloaded the drivers from the Broadcom website but the net install doesnt recognize those when it asks for them
11:27<vvas>you could try looking for an installation with a more recent kernel
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11:27<sarc_3>i tried 2.6.30 but had the same problem
11:27<vvas>assuming the drivers for your card have been added to the kernel in the meantime
11:28<sarc_3>what is the latest kernel?
11:28<vvas>ah, not much that can be done then
11:28<sarc_3>i used the kmuto install cd
11:28<sarc_3>was that the correct approach?
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11:28<sarc_3>i got the same results with that net install cd
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11:30<vvas>it was the correct approach indeed
11:30<sarc_3>vvas: what i dont uderstand is that Broadcom has the drivers for download
11:30<vvas>and as i said, if that didn't work then there isn't much you can do
11:30<sarc_3>do i need to compile them
11:31<southernc>anyone have any knowledge of bootsplashed for lenny ? i just tried to install splashy and it blew up dpkg and synaptic
11:31<vvas>sarc_3: probably yes
11:31<southernc>boot splashes*
11:31<sarc_3>so i should be trying to compile the source i downloaded from broadcom?
11:32<southernc>apt-get help
11:32<sarc_3>to generate my own module?
11:33<sarc_3>ok, ill search for tutorial for that then
11:33<sarc_3>im sure ill figure it out
11:34<sarc_3>thanks vvas
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11:44<southernc># apt-get upgrade
11:44<southernc>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
11:44<southernc>i run that and it spits out a bunch of permission denied
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11:44<vvas>as root?
11:45<southernc>shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
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11:45<vvas>"cd /" and try again
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11:47<southernc>dpkg is still sending a bunch of permission denied crap
11:47<dpkg>southernc: bugger all, i dunno
11:49<vvas>i agree with the above :^)
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11:50<southernc>Splashy ERROR: Cannot read XML File <</etc/splashy/config.xml>>. Exiting...
11:50<southernc>Splashy ERROR: Error occured while starting Splashy
11:50<southernc>but how do i remove Splashy when neither synaptic or dpkg will work
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11:51<vvas>dpkg --purge on the splashy package doesn't work?
11:51*dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up on the splashy package doesn't work all over vvas and xsdg_...
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11:52<southernc>FreeWideWeb:/etc/splashy# dpkg --purge splashy
11:52<southernc>dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of splashy:
11:52<dpkg>southernc: no idea
11:52<southernc> splashy-themes depends on splashy.
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11:52<benjamin>how can I see if grub has a problem on booting?
11:52<benjamin>is there any log file?
11:52<vvas>well then, "dpkg --purge splashy splashy-themes"
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11:52<southernc>i did that then
11:53<vvas>benjamin: not really
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11:53<southernc>shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
11:53<benjamin>vvas, is there anything?
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11:55<vvas>no idea
11:56<vvas>benjamin: if the bootloader fails and you don't have physical access, there's not much you can do
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11:57<Ganneff>well. for important systems you surely have serial console access (or a kvm reachable via net)
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12:14<chealer>sarc_3: how do you know there is no module for your card?
12:14<stew>afonsojesus16101996: can you please only use 1 client at a time?
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12:17<gsimmons>sarc_3: Your issue may be firmware related. Although included in the kmuto custom image's initrd, the bnx2 firmware (bnx2-{mips,r2vp}-*) for the 2.6.30 driver is in the wrong location (/lib/firmware, instead of /lib/firmware/bnx2). This is easy enough to correct prior to network hardware detection in the installer.
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12:33<alys>I have installed all the software recommended by dpkg for dvd playback and neither gxine or vlc seems to work. mplayer is worse than useless. As I dual boot with Puppy linux I use gxine on puppy and there are no problems. I prefer debian but I cannot play DVDs and as I have no TV I must play them on the 'puter. What more do I need, please?
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12:39<chealer>!tell alys about doesn't work
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12:42<alys>chealer: the app will not play a DVD, starting up and then just closing without any display.
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12:43<chealer>alys: so you're currently unable to use gxine and vlc for any purpose, right?
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12:45<alys>chealer: that's it, exactly. I am seriously thinking of ripping a DVD and then see if the file can be played.
12:45<alys>chealer: I can use gxine and vlc for audio streaming without problems
12:46<chealer>alys: yeah. first try to read a file on your HDD containing video, then start thinking about reading DVD-s.
12:46<alys>Thank you.
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12:55<Guest465>how can I identify?
12:55<Guest465>I can't change my nick :S
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12:55<nehyx>ah ok
12:55<Guest466>chnick ddd
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12:58<Guest466>nice meet you ^^
12:59<Guest466>i'm korean
12:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:02<benjamin>is /etc/kernel-img.conf required?
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13:07<christoph>When trying to install openjdk-jre on a i386 qemu lenny 5.0.2 aptitude fails at -- harddiskspace shouldn't be a problem and neither should ram
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13:09<christoph>what might be the cause?
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13:15<benjamin>christoph, export JAVA_OPTS="-client -Xmx256M $JAVA_OPTS"
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13:18<blue32>hello peeps running sid 64bit ,when i open system monitor i get an error connection to local host has been lost,any ideas
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13:21<christoph>benjamin, works now :)
13:22<benjamin>I need some help finding out what could be wrong on my server : I have no log at all in /var/log and my server is not booting up :(
13:23<benjamin>any idea would be really appreciated
13:23<benjamin>any place to check
13:23<benjamin>grub config file seems fine
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13:31<adb>not booting is vague ..
13:32<benjamin>no ping
13:32<benjamin>I don't have much informations
13:32<benjamin>that's why i m stucked
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13:36<adb>who commanded the reboot , and why ?
13:37<adb>i guess it's a remote machine
13:38<benjamin>it is
13:38<benjamin>i did
13:38<benjamin>after a system upgrade
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13:40<benjamin>Ok I found the problem
13:41<benjamin>but no idea of why it didn't work
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13:41<benjamin>I removed "initrd /initrd.img-2.6.26-2-486" on the grub menu.lst ...
13:41<benjamin>adb, any idea why it made my server crash
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13:42<raphi>buenas auxilioo quien me ayuda
13:42<bja>raphi: /j #debian-es
13:42<bja>dpkg: tell raphi about es
13:44<sarc_3>BroadCom NetXtreme II 5716 is still giving me trouble
13:44<sarc_3>nightmare for linux
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13:48<sarc_3>does anyone know why 5.0.2 doesnt detect Broadcom NetXtreme II 5716 NIC?
13:48<azeem>sarc_3: maybe the firmware is missing
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13:49<sarc_3>the firmware files are present, maybe they are the wrong ones?
13:49<sarc_3>in /lib/firmware
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13:51<sarc_3>should the 5716 be in the name of the firmware file?
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13:51<azeem>(I don't know)
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13:59<sarc_3>azeem: the broadcom site had a .rpm file posted as the driver file for Linux for this card
14:00<sarc_3>does Debian use .rpm's?
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14:01<azeem>sarc_3: no
14:01<azeem>sarc_3: run "lspci" and paste the line pertaining to your Broadcom NIC
14:01<sarc_3>lol.. so...
14:01<adb>sarc_3: ls /lib/firmware ,
14:01<adb>says ?
14:02<sarc_3>the install is finishing and then ill paste
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14:03<adb>sarc_3> install ? you finished this yesterday , or so
14:03<sarc_3>yeah but ive been going back and forth between the 2.30 and 2.26 installs
14:04<sarc_3>according to what ive read the 2.26 should work if you install the bnx2-firmware .deb package
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14:05<sarc_3>but i went on debian's sight and 5716 wasnt lilsted for that package, only 5709 and 5708
14:06<sarc_3>on 2.26 the firmware folder is empty
14:07<sarc_3>lspci = Command Not Found
14:08<sarc_3>2.6.26 is the kernel for the current net install cd posted for lenny
14:08<azeem>what do you mean "on"
14:08<azeem>19:46 < sarc_3> the firmware files are present, maybe they are the wrong ones?
14:08<sarc_3>when i install lenny using the 2.6.26 net install cd the firmware folder is empty
14:09<drakeman>ml|, good evening
14:09<sarc_3>yes, that comment I made about the 2.6.30 kernel
14:09<drakeman>ml|, how are you!
14:09<azeem>sarc_3: install pciutils
14:09<azeem>to get lscpi
14:10<sarc_3>is that a package?
14:11<azeem>you install packages, yes
14:12<sarc_3>this nic is integrated
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14:12<sarc_3>it's integrated
14:12<sarc_3>not a card
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14:12<azeem>it's still connected via PCI I guess, no?
14:13<sarc_3>i have no idea if that helps or not
14:13<sarc_3>i guess not
14:13<azeem>please answer questions before you make up the answers on your own
14:13<sarc_3>judging from that reaction
14:13<sarc_3>i wasnt making up answers, i was providing additional information
14:13<azeem>well thanks
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14:13<azeem>important is the lspci output
14:13<azeem>or the lack thereof
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14:18<sarc_3>missed a dependency for libpci, one more sec
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14:18<sarc_3>pciutils, sorry
14:18<sarc_3>frustrating not having net
14:21<frank>hi, I think about changing from fetchmail to getmail, in fetchmail you can enable sslcertck to verify the sslfingerprint, does "getmail" has this abillity too? someone knows how to configure that or knows documentation regarding this
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14:22<sarc_3>azeem: 01:00.1 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet (rev20)
14:22<azeem>sarc_3: can you paste the corresponding line for lspci -n as well, please?
14:23<sarc_3>01:00.1 0200: 14e4:163b (rev20)
14:23<azeem>sarc_3: but it looks like your NIC is indeed not supported by the standard 5.0.2 kernel
14:23<stew>judd: pciid 14e4:163b
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14:23<judd>stew: [14e4:163b] is 'NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'bnx2' in sid. See also
14:24<azeem>stew: does judd do dbugs as well?
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14:24<sarc_3>so there is no way i can use this card with lenny?
14:25<stew>azeem: it knows how, but i don't have the database populated, becuase it requires way too much bandwidth / cpu to keep a udd instance up to date with debbugs
14:25<sarc_3>broadcom posts the source for the driver
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14:26<sarc_3>where are the kernel modules located?
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14:26<sarc_3>in the OS
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14:28<azeem>stew: k
14:29<azeem>sarc_3: are you sure it posts the source for a 2.6.26 kernel?
14:29<sarc_3>on their site is listed generically as "linux"
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14:29<sarc_3>under their drivers section
14:29<azeem>otherwise, you might have fun forward/back-porting
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14:32<azeem>sarc_3: well you can try if you want
14:32<azeem>other possibilities is trying to find a 2.6.29 or 2.6.30 kernel for lenny, or making one on your own
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14:33<sarc_3>kmuto has one but it appeared to have the same problem
14:33<sarc_3>however there were bnx2-* files in the firmware folder
14:34<sarc_3>on boot the 2.6.30 kernel says "Can't open firmware file bnx2\bnx2...
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14:34<sarc_3>so that didnt exactly work either
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14:38<ml|>drakeman: good evening, ok thank you and you?
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14:39<drakeman>ml|, at 13:40 is evening?
14:39<drakeman>ml|, thanks for the info! :D, im fine...
14:41<ml|>drakeman: no it's not, but you said it not I ;)
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14:41<drakeman>ml|, ohh, can you tell me what i have to say, at this hour?
14:42<drakeman>ml|, evening? afternoon?
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14:43<ml|>afternoon would be more appropiate, where i'am at
14:43<adb>drakeman ml| -> #d-offtopic
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14:43<drakeman>adb, sorry, just asking,
14:43<drakeman>ml|, thanks. :D
14:44<arw>drakeman: :P
14:44<sarc_3>do driver files have a certain extension in linux?
14:44<drakeman>arw, haha, you are mean.
14:45<azeem>sarc_3: .ko
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14:45<sarc_3>the driver broadcom posted is .tar and .rpm
14:46<azeem>that's not a driver, that's either the source, or the binary, or the rpm package
14:48<sarc_3>should lenny be searching for the bnx2 firmware in /lib/firmware at boot?
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14:48<azeem>sarc_3: the driver would
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14:48<azeem>if there is no driver, having the firmware there doesn't help
14:49<sarc_3>where would the driver be?
14:49<sney>in /lib/modules
14:49<azeem>sarc_3: we established above that there is no driver for lenny
14:50<sarc_3>the source code in the .rpm will build the driver?
14:50<azeem>sarc_3: rpms are binary packages
14:50<sney>and they are for redhat, the .tar would probably be easier to convince to work.
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14:51<sarc_3>the broadcom site says the driver has been tested on all 2.6.x kernel versions
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14:52<sarc_3>so how could there not be one for lenny? i am so confused....
14:53<sney>that's assuming broadcom has even updated that page in the past year
14:53<azeem>sarc_3: because lenny ships 2.6.26, and the driver has not been integrated until 2.6.29
14:53<sney>there are 2.6.29 backports available, I am currently using one for a similar reason
14:53<azeem>just because Broadcomm has some driver on their website doesn't mean it's appropriate to lump it into the Lenny kernel
14:54<azeem>judd: versions linux-2.6
14:54<judd>azeem: linux-2.6 --
14:54<azeem>anyway: lenny-backports/backports (devel): 2.6.30-1~bpo50+1
14:54<azeem>sarc_3: ^^ I suggest trying that
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14:54<sarc_3>is that the one kmuto has posted?
14:55<stew>judd: kernels
14:55<judd>stew: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.30-trunk-686 (2.6.30-1~experimental.1~snapshot.13813); sid: 2.6.30-1-686 (2.6.30-1); squeeze: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-15); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.8); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24)
14:55<stew>hmm, backports isn't in there
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14:55<sney>the backport kernels are hosted on the repository, I suspect they aren't exactly official
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14:57<chealer>azeem: are you sure there's no driver for lenny?
14:57<azeem>chealer: ?
14:58<chealer>azeem: what do you mean?
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14:59<sney>linux-image-2.6.29-backports.2-686 is the kernel I'm using. sarc_3, if you add deb ./ to your sources.list, do an update, and install that 2.6.29 kernel it should work. assuming azeem is correct about the module being integrated in 2.6.29 anyway
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14:59<azeem>sney: why not use the one from lenny-backports?
14:59<sarc_3>what good is my sourses.list if i have no net connection
14:59<sney>that's an option too, but I am more comfortable recommending things I have tested personally
14:59<azeem>sarc_3: download it elsewhere
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15:00*azeem has never heard of
15:00<sney>yep, you can just find it in that repo with a browser as well
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15:00<sney>I heard of it from the debian wiki
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15:00<azeem>sarc_3: what does "uname -r" say?
15:00<chealer>sarc_3: it seems there's actually a driver for lenny. not one specifically for lenny, but one that would work with lenny.
15:00<azeem>chealer: which one?
15:00<sney>round and round she goes
15:01<chealer>azeem: the one mentioned above
15:01<sney>the one on the broadcom website
15:01<azeem>so "for lenny" == the stock lenny kernel?
15:01<sarc_3>azeem: 2.6.26-2-amd64
15:02<sney>see, sarc_3, some people are very concerned with keeping debian very *debian*, with functionality being a distant second priority ;)
15:02<sney>I prefer to fix things and make them pretty later
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15:02<azeem>sarc_3: so look for a corresponsing -amd64 kernel on that backports site
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15:03<erin>hi peeps how do i inable read/write access to usbfs?
15:03<sarc_3>the one kmuto posted should have worked,it was a backport
15:03<sarc_3>but there are errors openin the firmware files in that version, i have no idea why
15:04<sarc_3>it was 2.6.30
15:04<sney>2.6.29 is advanced enough, you don't need to go all gentoo
15:04<rjent>Greetings, when I do an ls -aFl on a file and it shows the permissions -rw-rw----+ what does the plus mean?
15:05<sarc_3>im new to this, so i can install that on top of 2.6.26?
15:05<sarc_3>that = the backport you just pasted
15:05<chealer>azeem: at least, "for lenny" would include "for lenny's stock kernel"
15:05<sney>download the deb and install it with dpkg -i
15:05<azeem>sarc_3: you can install it besides it
15:05<azeem>chealer: I don't think so
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15:05<sney>you'll see the option for both when you restart.
15:05<chealer>azeem: why?
15:05<azeem>but I don't want to continue to play semantics eitehr
15:05<ml|>sney: what is the difference between that and using
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15:06<azeem>sney's one might be from the kernel team
15:06<azeem>the other one is from the backports team
15:06<sney>ml|: again, not sure, it's just the one I happen to be using and therefore I can in good conscience recommend it to someone else
15:06<sney>because I know it isn't broken
15:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:06<ml|>azeem: sney, ok thank you
15:07<azeem>ml|: (just a guess)
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15:07<ml|>seems like a good guess
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15:09<sarc_3>you guys are my heroes
15:09<sarc_3>hope this works
15:10<sney>me too
15:10<sney>we'll look really silly if it doesnt
15:11<sarc_3>better than what ive tried thus far
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15:12<sarc_3>sney: dpkg says package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
15:13<azeem>sarc_3: 20:59 < azeem> sarc_3: so look for a corresponsing -amd64 kernel on that backports site
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15:13<azeem>sarc_3: with _amd64.deb at the end
15:13<`thekid>I've recently re-installed my debian system
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15:13<`thekid>but it's only minimal installation (140MB)
15:13<`thekid>I could use some help to install everything
15:13<`thekid>update apt-get
15:13<`thekid>and everything
15:13<azeem>`thekid: /msg dpkg ask
15:13<`thekid>weasel helped me a few days ago
15:14<azeem>and/or apt-get install gnome kde texlive-full
15:14<azeem>that should get you some way
15:14<`thekid>I use ssh 22
15:14<`thekid>to connect to it
15:14<`thekid>Not on my pc
15:14<azeem>`thekid: so what is your question?
15:14<`thekid>HOW to update apt-get ?
15:14<`thekid>and everything
15:15<azeem>apt-get upgrade
15:15<azeem>why do you think you need to update when you just installed?
15:15<`thekid>I've installed the Minimal!
15:15<`thekid>140 MB
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15:16<azeem>so "update" will just update the minimal
15:16<ml|>`thekid: have you read the install guide?
15:16<azeem>if you want to install something on top of it, do that
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15:17<sarc_3>sney: not seeing any any amd backport versions on there
15:17<`thekid>when I try to 'apt-get update'
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15:17<`thekid>I know weasel did something
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15:17<`thekid>and helped me:)
15:18<`thekid>gave me a long command
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15:18<`thekid><-- noob
15:18<azeem>`thekid: why didn't you mention the error straight away?
15:19<`thekid>Because I just got it?
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15:23<sney>sarc_3: weird, the file name has 2 versions in it..
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15:24<azeem>sney: one is the kernel-version/kernel-abi/architecture; the other is the Debian package version
15:24<sarc_3>yeahi noticed that too
15:24<azeem>but yeah, you can't use that repo on amd64
15:25<sarc_3>so that package only installs in i386
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15:25<sarc_3>lol... im lovin this
15:25<sney>if it doesn't work in amd64 then why bother putting 2.6.29-backports.2-amd64 in the filename.
15:26<azeem>sney: it's a 64bit kernel for i386
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15:26<sarc_3>seems counter intuitive
15:26<sney>for the 64-bit kernel/32-bit userland setup, you mean? I didn't know debian even allowed that
15:26<azeem>sure it allows
15:27<`thekid>can I get any help?
15:27<azeem>amd64 kernels can execute 32bit code
15:27<`thekid>I get this
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15:27<`thekid>when I try to apt-get update
15:27<sarc_3>was that in the list?
15:27<sarc_3>how didi i miss that?
15:28<sney>that's on a different site sarc_3
15:28<azeem>`thekid: /msg dpkg apt-key 9AA38DCD55BE302B
15:28<sarc_3>been a long day...
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15:29<sarc_3>i didnt know backports existed until yesterday
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15:30<`thekid>thanks azeem
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15:31<BSDeepa>I,m using lenny amd64 and I just installed grub2, can I make it output to serial?
15:31<azeem>BSDeepa: read the documentation
15:31<BSDeepa>No manual entry for grub
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15:32<BSDeepa>#grub at freenode were overly helpful too
15:32<azeem>BSDeepa: if you rely on serial console, why not use grub1?
15:32<BSDeepa>It,s taken me soon 2 hours just to get to know that 1.96 was grub2
15:33<BSDeepa>Because I need grub2 to boot something :(
15:33<azeem>BSDeepa: you could try reading the source then
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15:34<sney>lilo can use the serial console
15:34<BSDeepa>I have grub1 chainloading grub2
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15:42<sarc_3>sney: another question
15:42<sarc_3>or anyone really
15:42<sarc_3>i have the backport 2.6.29 installed
15:43<sarc_3>i have no idea what i am supposed to do now
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15:44<sarc_3>dont i have to install the driver?
15:44<azeem>sarc_3: boot it
15:44<sarc_3>i rebooted already
15:44<sarc_3>how does it know which kernel?
15:45<azeem>what does uname -r say?
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15:45<sarc_3>so that's the new backported kernel
15:46<azeem>sarc_3: what does "lsmod | grep bnx2" say?
15:47<sarc_3>bnx2 61528 0
15:47<azeem>sarc_3: what does "ifconfig eth0" say?
15:47<azeem>or rather, what makes you think your NIC is not supported yet?
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15:47<sarc_3>eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
15:48<sarc_3>the interfaces file is empty, that's what made me think so
15:48<azeem>which interfaces file?
15:49<azeem>sarc_3: does "ifconfig" display any other interfaces besides lo?
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15:49<sarc_3>and etc/network/interfaces only has lo
15:49<azeem>so it's not empty
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15:49<sarc_3>no, it has lo
15:50<sarc_3>eth0 and eth1 arent in there however
15:50<azeem>sarc_3: do you have the firmware in /lib/firmware?
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15:50<sarc_3>lib/firmware is empty
15:51<sarc_3>should i try to install the bnx2-firmware package?
15:51<azeem>sarc_3: yes
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15:54<sarc_3>ok, done
15:55<azeem>sarc_3: rmmod bnx2; modprobe bnx2
15:56<sarc_3>still only shows lo
15:56<azeem>what "dmesg | tail -20" say WRT bnx2 and firmware?
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15:58<sarc_3>im sorry, what lines do you want me to paste?
15:58<azeem>I want you to look at them
15:58<azeem>or put them all on a pastebin
15:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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15:59<sarc_3>bnx2: 0000:01:00.0: firmware: requesting bnx2-09-4.6.15.fw
16:00<sarc_3>eth0: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716 1000-Base-T ..
16:00<sarc_3>and has same lines for eth1
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16:01<azeem>sarc_3: what does "ifconfig eth0" say, then?
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16:01<sney>if it still says nothing, ifconfig eth0 up
16:01<azeem>sney: try setting up interfaces then
16:01<sarc_3>ok, ifconfig shows eth0 now
16:01<sney>not me! that guy!
16:02<sney>I don't have any devices that require this much finagling.
16:02<sarc_3>both appear to be up
16:02<sarc_3>eth0 and eth1
16:02<sarc_3>there are two ports btw
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16:04<sarc_3>it only took me two days
16:04<sarc_3>thanks guys
16:04<sarc_3>ill try to configure them and see what happens
16:04<azeem>next time, buy different hardware :P
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16:05<sarc_3>lol, i didnt buy it.. my company did and i got stuck configuring it
16:05<ml|>!beer azeem
16:05*dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for azeem
16:05<bja>azeem: Write me down on that list please
16:05<sarc_3>i should have made a list
16:06<bighornram>I got an external hard drive. fdisk -l says /dev/sdb1system hpfs/ntfs. How would be best to partition/format this drive? It is 1 Tb
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16:08<sarc_3>sney, azeem, bja, m1| , and many others ... THANK YOU
16:09<sarc_3>next time i will check the hardware before they purchase
16:09<sney>bighornram: are you going to be using it only with linux? or with another OS as well?
16:09<ml|>bighornram: if only for use in linux ext3 should be fine
16:09<bighornram>I think only for linux
16:09<sarc_3>azeem: can in uninstall the 2.26 kernel?
16:10<sarc_3>*can i
16:10<bighornram>I was thinking ext3 also
16:10<sney>sarc_3: yes
16:10<sarc_3>using dpkg?
16:10<sney>use apt-get remove
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16:10<ml|>sarc_3: i would hold off removing it untill you are sure things are find with new kernel
16:11<sney>not that things were ever fine with the old kernel.
16:11<sarc_3>ok, ill do that
16:11<sarc_3>no more circles...
16:11<sney>but yeah it doesn't really hurt to keep it around unless you have a tiny hard drive
16:11<ml|>lol ture
16:11<sarc_3>i have a few more quick quesitons
16:11<sarc_3>what do you guys think of ext4?
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16:12<ml|>not ready yet for regular use
16:12<bighornram>If I am understanding correctly (I went through this similarly with ipod) it is not mounting due to hpfs being journalled and ntfs because it is ms. If I format ext3 it will mount fine?
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16:12<sney>it's not hpfs, it's just ntfs
16:12<sney>the partition tag just looks the same
16:13<ml|>and it will mount fine
16:13<sney>and yeah it's not mounting because using ntfs under linux has some software requirements that you probably don't have yet
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16:13<sney>and if you're just going to use linux with it, having a ntfs drive is pointless and you should use a more natively supported fs.
16:14<sney>if you have a burning need to be different, jfs is a pretty stable alternative. I used to use that on some scsi arrays I had
16:14<sney>and reiserfs will kill your wife for free
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16:15<sarc_3>that's hillarious
16:15<sarc_3>i use reiserfs for speed with small files
16:15<ml|>bighornram: you can go with fat32 if you need compatibility with other OS's
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16:15<sney>as long as you don't mind fragmentation, and a filesize limit of 4GB
16:16<ml|>yeah, not the best fs
16:16<sarc_3>arent they thinking of adding fragmenter to reiser4?
16:16<sarc_3>defragger, sorry
16:16<sney>I didn't know it had a fragmenting issue.
16:16<sarc_3>i thought all reiser did
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16:17<bighornram>I want only compat with linux, ext3. Ah that was my next question. Though I can't see having a file of 4GB. Would it be wise to break it up into partitons or just one big one?
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16:17<sarc_3>reiserfs has been lighting fast for small files in the testing ive done
16:17<sney>that just comes down to your personal choice, bighornram
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16:17<ml|>bighornram: like a movie will be more than 4gb
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16:18<ml|>dvd iso i mean
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16:21<ml|>bighornram: size of partitions is really your preference, use what you think it's best for you or prefer
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16:22<bighornram>ml |: was thinking about speed but if it doesn't matter I'm good with one large one.
16:24<ml|>i don't think there is any advantage in doing that
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16:26<sarc_3>again, thanks for the help guys
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16:27<ml|>!congratulate sarc_3
16:27<dpkg>Good show sarc_3, you did it!
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16:27<sarc_3>ha, you guys did all the work.. im just learning
16:27<sarc_3>thanks for your patience, i know it is rough
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16:28<ml|>well you still had to do it on your end
16:28<sarc_3>yeah, and i did learn a lot
16:28<ml|>bighornram: remember to backup :)
16:29<sarc_3>enough for today, later
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16:50<ness>hi, because of a awesome (the window manager) bug I need to downgrade libxcb1. I'm using debian testing. How can I do that?
16:51<dondelelcaro>ness: actually, you need to upgrade awesome and libxcb1
16:51<ness>dondelelcaro: hm, I don't know. If you say that :). How do I do this, then?
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16:53<dondelelcaro>ness: is your testing install full upgraded now?
16:54<dondelelcaro>ness: assuming that it is, you can just get the awesome .deb from unstable using and dpkg -i it
16:54<dondelelcaro>ness: it'll transition normally in a bit
16:54<ness>dondelelcaro: I installed my new testing system just today
16:54<ness>dondelelcaro: I'll do that
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16:57<dondelelcaro>ness: make sure you've run apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade; you should be running with libxcb1 1.3-2
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17:01<ness>dondelelcaro: I cannot install awesome from unstable because it requires libxcb-util packages >= 0.3.5
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17:05<ness>dondelelcaro: I should be safe installing all this from unstable, shouldn't I?
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17:09<locklace>judd versions libxcb1
17:09<judd>locklace: libxcb1 -- etch-backports: 1.1-1.1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.1-1.1 sid: 1.3-2 squeeze: 1.3-2
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17:12<ness>dondelelcaro: thanks a lot, it works now
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17:13<ness>one last question: I installed awesome via apt-get -t unstable install awesome, to get the new packages (and I set default-release to testing). Will that now always pull awesome from unstable, or will it just keep the current version until it reaches testing?
17:14<ml|>until reaches testing and upgrade from testing
17:14<ml|>from then on
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17:15<s3a>can someone help me determine what X and Y is in for my problem with restoring grub please?
17:16<ml|>you can comment the unstale lines in sources.list if you don't need anything else from unstable. you updates will go quicker
17:16<ml|>ness: ^
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17:21<chealer>ness: APT will pull new versions from unstable, until it transitions to testing.
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17:22<raphi>hola alquien q me ayude
17:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:23<Slurb>how do i tell aptitude to prefer lenny over unstable?
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17:24<s3a>someone in #ubuntu just told me that debian's disc is more convenient for restoring grub than ubuntu's live cd, my debian installation is squeeze, I can still restore grub with a lenny disc can't I?
17:24<ml|>Slurb: mixing stable and unstable is not a good idea
17:24<Slurb>just one program
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17:25<Slurb>and 2 libs
17:25<vvas>s3a: sure
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17:26<vvas>Slurb: there's a method called "pinning"
17:26<vvas>Slurb: read about it on apt_preferences(5) or the manual contained in the apt-howto package
17:26<vvas>Slurb: it's not for a complete novice though, keep in mind
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17:27<s3a>vvas, thanks for the confirmation
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17:27<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, Bugs are explained at If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead.
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17:29<chealer>!tell Slurb about default release
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17:31<ml|>isn't best to use pinning with stable and default release with testing?
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17:32<ml|>backports is better than pinning tho for stable
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17:34<OpenSourceBrad>Hey Everyone, I'm a long time support of Linux, except after a few months of having a specific distro installed things begin to go wrong. So I thought it might be best to talk to someone who has been using the next distro (Debian Lenny) befor i begin to install it so i make sure i don't ruin.
17:34<chealer>ml|: I don't see why, the situations look identical interchaning stable and testing.
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17:35<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: have you read the install guide
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17:38<ml|>chealer: yes, but some people here recommend do things that way, why i asked
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17:38<OpenSourceBrad>Ml|: I have but i have done this when i have installed such Distro's as Fedoracore (5) and ubuntu 8. Example, i am using a desktop with a wireless connection and in both cases of both distros, they install and work great and the internet streems fine, then after updating and installing things with yum and/or RPM my wireless drivers don't work, and things just get ugly.
17:39<chealer>ml|: maybe... mixing stable and unstable is unusual, but I don't remember anyone recommending that
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17:40<ml|>chealer: not mixing stable and unstable, but if someone really wanted to do, it that way would best to use pinning
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17:42<chealer>ml|: I understand. I'm just saying I don't see why pinning would be better and I don't remember seeing anyone argue that it is.
17:42<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: well install lenny and go from there
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17:43<ml|>chealer: ok, it was a while back, maybe i have it confused with stable and backports
17:43<Slurb>stick with lenny though
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17:43<vvas>OpenSourceBrad: on my main desktop computer, i've had the same Debian system (constantly upgrading it, of course) for more than 10 years now
17:44<chealer>Slurb: don't send me personal messages unless they're private or you have my permission
17:44<vvas>OpenSourceBrad: so it is the kind of system that can be had long-term, of course that doesn't mean that it's not possible to fuck it up ;^)
17:44<enouf>pinning works well for select pkgs, especially when mixing some official and non-official repos (think dmm) and two versions of the same app exist for the same release - one's compile options vary from anothers, say
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17:44<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: when you run into trouble, search for a solution and if that doesn't work try asking here
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17:45<OpenSourceBrad>ml|: Alright, i will give it a go, just befor i do, and i know this is obsure, Do you happen to know of mame working on Debian (i happen to be addicted to pacman)
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17:46<OpenSourceBrad>vvas: Thank you, I hope everything goes well, but tend to be the one to mess something up.
17:46<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: i don't understand your question
17:48<ml|>dpkg: tell OpenSourceBrad about reference
17:48<OpenSourceBrad>Ml|: sorry, I am a poor speller. i was just curious if you knew of a softwear called MAME to be compatable with debian. I can find out on my own. take care
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17:49<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: oh no idea sorry, maybe someone else here knows
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17:49<vvas>OpenSourceBrad: i've used MAME in Debian yes, works fine
17:49<enouf>poor speller, or bad typist? (/me is the latter)
17:49<ml|>hah, im boht ;)
17:49<enouf>besides, it's your font
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17:50<enouf>that you cannot tell a l from a 1 from a |
17:50<OpenSourceBrad>enouf: I would consider myself to think and type at too different speeds, so things tend to get missed/skiped/jumbeled
17:50<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: read msg from dpkg for some info on debian
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17:51<enouf>same here
17:51<ml|>me too
17:51<enouf>to two too :-)
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17:51<ml|>enouf: ;P
17:53<OpenSourceBrad>alright, lets hope you will see me sometime in the future, if not... think the worst. =D
17:53<vvas>i re-read what i type as i type it, that's usually enough to correct most mistakes :-p
17:53<vvas>(spelling or otherwise)
17:55<OpenSourceBrad>I would sound my age if i reRead everything i wrote... hell if stoped to think befor i spoke i would'nt be driving a Kia... could have been a Pourche
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17:55<OpenSourceBrad>... If i stoped to think*
17:55<OpenSourceBrad>point and case
17:56<ml|>vvas: yeah that is good practice, but sometimes you are in hurry and don't do it
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17:58<OpenSourceBrad>alright befor i go and download that gigantic os, Would you guys consider using AMD64 or i386 if you got an ADM 64 Athlongx2 processor
17:58<enouf>depends on usage planned
17:58<zaltekk>Does anyone know where the claim that "Fedora reportedly interferes with its distribution to make it a less free offering. Its libraries are modified to disallow the compilation of applications that conflict with commercial interests of the MPAA/RIAA." comes from in the Debian GNU/Linux Desktop Survival Guide linked to by
17:59<ml|>if you need what amd64 adds use it, if not go with 386
17:59<vvas>zaltekk: i've never heard of such a claim before
17:59<enouf>OpenSourceBrad: you only want a 160MB ISO (or thereabouts) called netinstall
17:59<zaltekk>vvas: neither have i. and google wasn't much help.
17:59<azeem>zaltekk: ask the author
17:59<vvas>zaltekk: sounds rubbish to me TBH
17:59<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: yeah if you have good connection netinst would be best
18:00<ml|>dpkg: tell OpenSourceBrad about netinst
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18:01<enouf>OpenSourceBrad: /msg dpkg netinstall ; /msg dpkg lenny firmware (use the latter, if you only have a wifi connection that requires firmware)
18:01<enouf>!tell OpenSourceBrad -about ig
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18:04<OpenSourceBrad>lol I know how to netinstall, but i never know what to pick and chouse from, becuase ex: i am begining softwear development in Collage in like 3 months,
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18:05<ml|>you can always purge what you don't need later, if you install it now
18:06<vvas>OpenSourceBrad, i don't think the netinstaller provides a different selection of packages compared to the cd1/dvd1 ones
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18:06<dondelelcaro>OpenSourceBrad: you can always install more packages later on, too
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18:08<locklace>OpenSourceBrad: i'd recommend that you install aspell as your first package
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18:08<OpenSourceBrad>locklace: Belive me, it is a lost cause
18:09<ml|>most people tend to install more than what they need, unless they have done it before or know what they want from the beginning, hah
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18:09<zaltekk>isn't there a thing on the bot about deciding between aptitude, apt-get, and wajig?
18:10<vvas>these days, i tend to install nothing by default and then install things on demand
18:10<vvas>god forbid if i'm left without a network connection the first few weeks of a system :^)
18:10<zaltekk>something that is used in the Debian GNU/Linux Desktop Survival Guide on
18:10<OpenSourceBrad>vvas: I think i will do that, it won't take that long getting most things
18:10<zaltekk>i remember seeing someone in here(or on freenode) told not to use it and sent something with the dpkg bot
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18:11<dpkg>Wajig packages into one tool many commands useful for managing a Debian system. Instead of having to remember whether to use dpkg or apt-get or apt-cache, etc, wajig does the selection of the appropriate tool for you. Wajig also never needs to be run as root - it will call sudo as necessary. To get wajig, apt-get install wajig.
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18:11<ml|>i do the same, do minimal install and go from there
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18:12<zaltekk>abd: i think it was "why aptitude" or something like that
18:12<zaltekk>it gave me the impression that wajig did things improperly, but i can't remember what it actually said
18:12<ml|>dpkg: tell zaltekk about why aptitude
18:13<zaltekk>thanks :)
18:13<ml|>np, had never heard of wajig till now, does anybody here use it?
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18:14<vvas>i'd never heard of it either
18:14<binarymutant>when is the eglibc switch?
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18:14<vvas>binarymutant: some weeks ago
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18:15<zaltekk>hmm. that doesn't explain what i wanted either. i guess i need a better resource.
18:15<dpkg>well, eglibc is the new <libc> in Debian, see and
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18:16<binarymutant>vvas, ty
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18:20<Yetan>oh right, when I netinstall, I assume it will not be compatable with my wireless card (connecting w/ WAP), and defently not with multiple displays. By chance i would like these to work in the future, What should I be looking into?
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18:24<OpenSoruceBrad>oh right, when I netinstall, I assume it will not be compatable with my wireless card (connecting w/ WAP), and defently not with multiple displays. By chance i would like these to work in the future, What should I be looking into?
18:24<OpenSoruceBrad>there we go =)
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18:25<craigevil>Yetan: take a look at
18:25<ml|>OpenSoruceBrad: use wired for netinst and then get all that sorted afterwards
18:26<OpenSoruceBrad>=) great, I find it quite difficult to get my wireless to work. =( i hope this think helps. and ml| Don't worry i will =)
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18:27<ml|>OpenSoruceBrad: maybe it won't be difficult this time, you never know
18:28<OpenSoruceBrad>ml|: your right, like when ubuntu worked right away... but then it stoped, and never worked again
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18:28<OpenSoruceBrad>=) no hard feelings
18:29<zaltekk>OpenSoruceBrad: I've had NetworkManager do weird things like that. Or connect fine but only hold the connection for 30 seconds at a time. ncid worked much better. or just manual configuration.
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18:31<mathieu>Hi, I have a major bug :
18:31<mathieu>a row is *missing* from an index
18:31<mathieu>i can only find it through a seqscan
18:32<esb>How much space is recommended for /root ?
18:32<mathieu>oops wrong chan
18:32<enouf>esb: depends, but 10-20G should be ok
18:32<esb>enouf: okay.. thx
18:33<esb>enouf: never install anything under / so I shouldn't need more than that..
18:34<enouf>esb: depends which other / subdirs are their own partition/volume
18:34<azeem>esb: where do you install stuff?
18:34<enouf>esb: '
18:34<enouf>esb: '/' does not == /root
18:34<esb>usually under /var.. (sry.. meant /root
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18:35<enouf>esb: no, my bad
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18:35<enouf>you did say/root
18:35<azeem>esb: what if you want to install a Debian package?
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18:35<azeem>but sure, if this is about /root - never mind
18:35<esb>mostly compile myself, hardly ever install through apt-get
18:36<azeem>I see
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18:37<ml|>10-20gb for /root a bit much?
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18:37<esb>I did learn it the hard way in Slackware.. Compile by yourself and install under /root is not a good idea...
18:38<esb>I went for 7Gb /root ... should be enough for me
18:38<OpenSoruceBrad>alright everyone who helped me out. :V i am venturing again to Debian. Cheers
18:38<azeem>esb: are you planning to compile+install stuff under /root again?
18:38<bighornram>I've formatted an external usb drive, it mounts when I plug it in but is read only. It mounts with /meda/disk mount point. I've tried adding lines to fstab but can't seem to get it right. I'm using amd64 lenny
18:38<esb>azeem: No !
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18:38<OpenSoruceBrad>Exit Bye
18:38<azeem>esb: so why do you need space in /root at all?
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18:39<esb>azeem: just in case ??
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18:39<ml|>esb: separate partition for /root
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18:39<esb>ml|: Of course.. and for /home, /var and /usr
18:40<azeem>"Of course"?
18:40<azeem>it's certainly not common practise
18:40<azeem>or good practise, for that matter
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18:40<zaltekk>do you mean the root partition(/) or the root user's home director(/root)?
18:40<ml|>but why put all in / and separate /home partition
18:40<esb>I know.. But it's my regular setup
18:40<azeem>00:29 < esb> How much space is recommended for /root ?
18:40<enouf>man o man ... my misunderstanding hath spilleth all over
18:40<azeem>esb: then don't ask such questions
18:41<azeem>because it's not recommended to have a seperate /root partition at all
18:41<azeem>you can do whatever you want of course
18:41<zaltekk>azeem: i know he said that, but i thought he might have meant something else.
18:41<esb>I was asking about space .. nothing else..
18:41<azeem>esb: what do you mean, space?
18:41<azeem>free space in your /root directory, which is on the / partition?
18:41<esb>harddisc space for a /root partition
18:42<esb>well, It's all up and running now. :)
18:43<adb>azeem: see Slackware's school ...
18:43<enouf> /root is the $HOME of root user, so i guess i can see having a separate partition/volume
18:43<azeem>root can still login even if / is full, no?
18:44<azeem>well, whatever
18:44<enouf>got your default 5% allocated blocks on ext2/3? ;-)
18:44<esb>hm, I guess.. didn't really check
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18:44<ml|>enouf: that is default
18:45<azeem>as you're apparently going to run your system as root anyway, that won't help when you fill it up
18:45<zaltekk>is there any difference between using aptitude and apt-get other than syntax?
18:45<azeem>zaltekk: yes
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18:45<ml|>dpkg: tell zaltekk why aptitude
18:45<azeem>different depency resolvers; different ideas about what should be removed/installed automatically
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18:46<zaltekk>i don't see from the debian reference why aptitude is different
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18:46<ml|>dpkg: tell zaltekk about why aptitude
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18:47<enouf>ml|: why do you think i used the word 'default' there?
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18:48<zaltekk>ml|: that doesn't really explain why i should use it instead of apt-get
18:48<zaltekk>it just tells me what it is
18:48<ml|>enouf: oops sorry ;)
18:48<enouf>heh, no worries ml|
18:48<enouf>zaltekk: use whichever you like
18:48<zaltekk>enouf: I kinda wanted to figure out why they both exist
18:48<ml|>zaltekk: i think it does, but ok
18:48<zaltekk>and then decide which one i like
18:48<azeem>zaltekk: read the mailing lists
18:49<azeem>1997-2003 or so, probably
18:49<enouf>zaltekk: oh, i see - well, /msg dpkg hold ; /msg dpkg apt-get source
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18:49<azeem>esb: hold?
18:49<azeem>eh, enouf: hold?
18:49<esb>azeem: what..
18:49<enouf>azeem: hold works differently between the two, AISTR
18:49<enouf>esb: mistabbed
18:50<esb>ah, I see
18:50<azeem>but "why both exist" is an incredibly broad question
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18:51<zaltekk>azeem: was aptitude created to replace apt-get/apt-cache? or is it just to make everything into one command? or does it have extra functionality?
18:51<ml|>!win aptitude
18:51<dpkg>Congratulations, aptitude! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
18:52<enouf>zaltekk: no, it spawned as a replacement for dselect
18:52<enouf>read the reference
18:52<enouf>zaltekk: and aptitude has no equiv to apt-get source pkgname ; not yet anyway, IIRC
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18:53<azeem>zaltekk: it's a different codebase
18:53<azeem>and it was primarly written to have text-mode frontend for APT
18:53<azeem>the compatible command-line interface to apt-get/apt-cache came later
18:54<esb>annoying that KDE-desktop isn't availible as default (only one to be installed) in the net-install cd
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18:54<enouf>esb: /msg dpkg install kde
18:55<esb>enouf: dosen't GNOME still get installed ?
18:55<enouf>see the tasks="standard, kde-desktop" bit?
18:55<ml|>netinst does not include that
18:55<enouf>no, some gtk{+} things might
18:55<enouf>doesn't include what?
18:56<enouf>that !== plural :-P
18:56<ml|>my bad ;P
18:56<enouf>and the apostrophe make's it a possessive noun, not even plural :-p
18:57<ml|>enouf: thanks for english lesson ;)
18:57<enouf>ml|: i know .. i know .. you're welcome ;-)
18:58<esb>I could sure need one myself.. :P
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19:00<ml|>i think it's better to install minimal system, then install de or wm etc.. after
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19:01<esb>de or wm ? .. shorts' for ?
19:01<ml|>desktop environment, window manager
19:02<esb>ah, I see... not too bright when I'n drunk
19:02<zaltekk> i finally found what i was looking for with aptitude/apt-get. thanks for the "aptitude originally was created to replace dselect" bit
19:02<ml|>drunk and doing an install nice
19:03<esb>hey... You know what they say.. You're twice the man when you're drunk... or wait, was it the women who said that =
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19:26<cheche>Hi, I wonder of why does not have a mention to the program netselect-apt
19:27<cheche>it is a lot easier than try netselect for each one of the mirrors...
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19:29<cheche> /msg dpkg paste
19:30<abrotman>cheche: because you don't really need it usually
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19:31<cheche>well, i guess that you want people to use mirror others than the main country ones
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19:33<abrotman>cheche: sure .. but you pick one when you install
19:34<abrotman>cheche: so you choose your country, and then a mirror ..
19:34<cheche>ok, but that will asume that the fastest one is the ones in your country
19:35<abrotman>you odn't have to pick one in your country .. i usually just pick one of the five or six near me geographically
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19:36<abrotman>but i'm usually only after the fastest one during the install .. and then i really don't care .. and you can't find the fastest one during install
19:38<cheche>I am not saying that you have to pick one of your country, but 90% users will choose that one.
19:38<cheche>from the page: "Note that geographic proximity often isn't the most important factor for determining which machine will serve you best·
19:39<abrotman>so a random choice is just as good as a geographical one :)
19:40<cheche>oh well, I just thought that a mention of netselect-apt would easier the path for those ones who care about the fastest mirror for them.
19:40<zaltekk>a geographically close server will be faster than one that isn't close, with all other factors being equal. therefore, it is best to choose a geographically close mirror if you don't have other infomation to help you make the decision.
19:40<cheche>what is the package for the dos2unix program, it use to be sysutils
19:40<cheche>what is the package for the dos2unix program, it used to be sysutils
19:41<zaltekk>apt-cache search dos2unix
19:41<cheche>zaltekk: i am not saying that we need to change the installer, just to put a pointer to a nice utility as netselect-apt on the page.
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19:42<cheche>zaltekk: thanks "tofrodos"
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19:46<abrotman>cheche: you can file a bug on the page if you like
19:46<abrotman>cheche: there's also apt-spy
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19:51<cheche>thanks abrotman, I think that i have used apt-spy on the past.
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19:54<cheche>why bind does not resolve local names? I have on /etc/hosts the name of the hosts that I want to resolve and I am not able to do so..
19:54<cheche>checked /etc/resolv.conf and using namserver localhost
19:55<abrotman>what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf say ?
19:55<cheche>hosts: files dns
19:55<abrotman>your bind server won't look at /etc/hosts
19:55<zaltekk>is there not an equivelent in tasksel to "Standard System" in debian-installer?
19:56<cheche>zaltekk: At the botton there is a basic system right?
19:56<abrotman>huh ?
19:56<zaltekk>i don't see it, cheche. just "Laptop
19:56<abrotman>zaltekk: you can replicate it later
19:56<cheche>abrotman: I thought that bind should look on files first.
19:57<zaltekk>is there a way to tell apt to install everything it would have if the Standard System option had been selected?
19:58<cheche>zaltekk: you are right... on the debian-installer it was an option to say basic system.
19:59<zaltekk>i don't see it in aptitude's Tasks tree either
20:01<dkr>zaltekk: I'm not sure but i think if you install all of the packages with priority required. i just took a look at aptitude search '~prequired'
20:01<dkr>which looks like a reasonable list for a basic working system
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20:02<zaltekk>okay, i'll give that a try
20:02<zaltekk>i somewhat cripple the system by not having iwconfig or sudo
20:02<cheche>ok, so should bind (named) lookup on the /etc/hosts file?, it use to be like that
20:02<dkr>well, sudo is not necessary if you have root password. he
20:03<dkr>cheche: well, to be more accurate, the resolver will look at hosts file and if not found it will try dns(bind). (at least this is default behavior based on /etc/nsswitch.cionf
20:03<zaltekk>dkr: yes, but i was expecting to see it. i don';t know why i unselected standard system
20:03<chealer>zaltekk: yes, there is
20:04<zaltekk>chealer: there is what?
20:04<chealer>zaltekk: there is a way to tell APT to install everything iw would have installed if the standard system task had been selected.
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20:05<cheche>dkr: I am testing with dig ntinstall but bind does not resolve to an address.
20:05<zaltekk>chealer: how would I do that without knowing the name of each package?
20:05<dkr>chealer: aptitude install '~prequired' is not it?
20:05<chealer>dkr: no. packages with priority required are... required.
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20:05<adb> aptitude install '~pstandard' ?
20:05<dkr>ok, think i am confusing "base" system with "standard' system
20:06<zaltekk>or essiential?
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20:06<zaltekk>dkr: it installs the base system without asking.
20:06<zaltekk>standard system is a task which installs programs you would expect to find on a system
20:06<zaltekk>or something like that :P
20:07<dkr>yeah, ~pstandard works, it has perl and telnet. :)
20:07<zaltekk>i'll give that a go
20:07<chealer>zaltekk: you'd install the standard task
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20:08<zaltekk>chealer: tasksel doesn't show one
20:08<chealer>dkr: base includes required and important. it's different from both required and standard
20:10<chealer>zaltekk: it seems the installed tasksel doesn't show one, indeed, but it exists nevertheless
20:11<chealer>most tasks don't show in tasksel
20:11<zaltekk>one more quick question so that i can have the network up and running. how do i generate the wpa-psk key? i think openbsd had a program called wpa-psk, but i can't find it on the debian dvd
20:12<zaltekk>i have wpasupplicant installed
20:13<zaltekk>nevermind, found it. wpa_passphrase
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20:17<hever>How can I compare the files of two directories by file size ?
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20:19<chealer>hever: could you give an example of the result you're looking for?
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20:20<weasel>hever: mc?
20:20<hever>ah mc is a good idea. I used filezilla now.
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20:21<zaltekk>connecting to the wpa2 network was extremely easy after i got the packages installed that i should have selected in debian-installer
20:22<cheche>ok, have to go, goodnigt and thanks for you help!
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21:09<Silicium01>What GUI text editor can I use to compare text files?
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21:16<bja>Silicium01: The one you like, they usually have either tabs or multiple instances
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21:16<Silicium01>bja, I mean that one that will show you difference
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21:18<adb>Silicium01: apt-cache show diff
21:19<Silicium01>adb GUI?
21:20<Silicium01>diffuse, just inc ase someone is wondering
21:20<adb>fldiff - A graphical diff program
21:21<adb>kompare - a KDE GUI for viewing differences between files
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21:25<adb>xxdiff - a graphical file and directories comparison and merge tool
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21:26<adb>meld - graphical tool to diff and merge files
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21:27<dkr>I launch it from a macro in my editor to show me a diff to previous version before cvs commits and I can choose which parts of the diff to merge/cvs commit
21:28<adb>mgdiff - xdiff clone
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21:38<esb>Im missing the XV-output driver in SMplayer (mplayer)... how to get it ?
21:38<esb>I've compiled both mplayer and smplayer my self
21:39<abrotman>so you messed up?
21:40<esb>hm, I don't think so.. just missing the xv-output
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23:23<enouf>execve("/usr/bin/mplayer", ["mplayer", "-vo", "xv", "/mnt/p3/home/Frontline/Storm-Ove"...], [/* 26 vars */]) = 0
23:24<enouf>open("/usr/lib/", O_RDONLY) = 3
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23:24<enouf>libxvidcore4: /usr/lib/ <--there ya go kiddo
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23:54<deniz>can somebody please help me configure my wacom tablet? i am VERY desperate
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