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---Logopened Thu Jul 09 00:00:32 2009
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00:04<adb>judd: versions libc6
00:04<judd>adb: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-19
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00:19<deniz>can somebody please help me configure my wacom tablet? i am VERY desperate
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00:27<drakeman>hey, good evening, i have little question, i wnat to make a cron to turn off my pc every day at 3am, i already set it, i want to know if is the best practice... i create a new file called shutdown and i put it inside /etc/cron.d/, im runing the commannd with the user root, it works, but i want to know that if this is the best way to do it?
00:29<dpkg>at is probably a delayed job execution and batch processing program, or IBM's second-generation PC (Advanced Technology), or Austria, or OK
00:30<drakeman>adb, im going to dot it every day at the same time! i read that at is for only one time
00:30<adb>i see .
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00:31<drakeman>adb is fine to put it inside /etc/cron.d/thenewfile? , because if i use crontab -e then my user dont have rights to shutdown the computer, and with the file i create i put the user root inside the cron line.
00:31<drakeman>adb, the command actually works, but i just want to know if im doing fine?
00:32<adb>i dunno , sorry
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00:34<drakeman>adb, ok dont worry, thanks anyways.
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00:35<adb>configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables , what's means ?
00:35<dondelelcaro>!b-e adb
00:35<dpkg>adb: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
00:36<adb>ah, thanks dondelelcaro !
00:37<ml|>drakeman: or just do it under root
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00:37<drakeman>ml|, i though you was sleeping :D
00:38<drakeman>ml|, you say using crontab -e comand under root
00:38<ml|>drakeman: just do crontab when logged in as root
00:39<drakeman>ml|, ok. thanks.. so inside /etc/cron.d is not the best practice.
00:40<adb>drakeman: put that script in /etc/cron.daily too
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00:40<Kingmikey>anyone alive in this room?
00:40<drakeman>adb, i dont put inside daily because it runs in specific hour, and i dont want to modify that specific hour already set it by debian.
00:40<ml|>drakeman: sorry yes crontab -e under root
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00:41<drakeman>ml|, ok.
00:41<Kingmikey>hi, where would i go after ive forgotten anything and everything i ever new about linux?
00:41<ml|>adb: why when, he is already do it as root
00:42<adb>well it's a daily corn for me
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00:42<Kingmikey>thanks for being so helpfull
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00:43<ml|>ah he left
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00:43<ml|>wow a whole two minutes to get help
00:44<adb> two minutes to lean ... linux , not so bad ..
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00:45<ml|>drakeman: just make sure you set time correctly
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00:45<ml|>adb: heh
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00:46<zaltekk>Hello. I just installed Debian Lenny 5.0.2, and I am having trouble setting up my wireless network while roaming. At home, I have /etc/network/interfaces set to automatically connect to my WPA2 network. However, I can't associate to _ANY_ networks at all, regardless of encryption settings, by hand with iwconfig.
00:47<zaltekk>My wireless card uses the ath5k atheros driver.
00:47<zaltekk>I've tried reloading the driver by typing "rmmod ath5k;modprobe ath5k" and starting completely over with "iwconfig wlan0 essid uv190l channel 1 mode Managed" and then "ifconfig wlan0 up", but it never associates
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00:48<zaltekk>"iwlist wlan0 scanning" _does_ show the network that I am trying to associate with.
00:48<drakeman>ml|, yes the time is already set it. thanks...
00:48<zaltekk>Any ideas?
00:49<adb>tryed wicd ?
00:49<cahoot>zaltekk: msybe try wpa-supplicant from command line
00:49<ml|>drakeman: i mean for root cron you are setting
00:49<zaltekk>cahoot: why would i need wpa_supplicant for an unsecured network?
00:50<cahoot>zaltekk: so when you say ANY you any but the one at home?
00:50<zaltekk>adb: i don't want to use wicd.
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00:50<zaltekk>cahoot: i can't associate at home with iwconfig either. it seems that it doesn't try to hop channels or connect in any way if i don't use /etc/network/interfaces
00:51<ml|>drakeman: man 5 crontab and cron for more info
00:51<drakeman>ml|, yes, i set the line fine, something like 0 3 * * * root /sbin/shutdown -h now
00:51<drakeman>ml|, yes i read it all, thanks to bja hahaa
00:51<cahoot>zaltekk: and at home you said wpa2 - hence my suggestion
00:51<zaltekk>cahoot: i turned the wpa off in attempt to get it working
00:52<zaltekk>it is unsecured right now...and i still can't associate
00:52<adb>dpkg: tell zaltekk about ath5k
00:52<ml|>drakeman: no need for root for that to work
00:52<drakeman>i finish my firefox 3.5 install too.. :D
00:52<ml|>in that line i mean
00:53<drakeman>ml|, no? mm i cannot execute that command with my user without sudo
00:53<zaltekk>adb: i already know what ath5k is.
00:53<drakeman>ml|, i get shutdown: you must be root to do that!
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00:53<ml|>drakeman: but you are crontab -e as root correct?
00:54<ml|>see what i mean
00:54<drakeman>ml|, no, i create a newfile with vim inside /etc/cron.d/shutdown_file and put the line i typed before.. didnt use crontab -e with root.
00:55<drakeman>ml|, so you say the best way is using crontab -e with root!
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00:55<ml|>drakeman: that is how i would do it, someone might say to do your way, it is your choice
00:57<drakeman>ml|, ok, can do it in that way too, the people who helped me before told me that he prefers to make a new file inside cron.d, that why i do it in that way. like you say is a preference thing..
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00:57<ml|>right, i prefer to use root, i see no need to do the other way
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00:59<ml|>so anything that i need root cron to do, i do it that way
00:59<drakeman>ml|, ok, thanks :D is only because in a few minutes im goint to sleep and i put an online radiostation to sleep, and i want to turn the pc automatically when at 3am :D
00:59<drakeman>ml|, ok, i can do it in that way too, in fact looks like the correct way to do it.
00:59<ml|>drakeman: test it if you want
01:00<drakeman>ml|, ok... doing it right now
01:00<drakeman>ml|, i thing is better because i cant do a crontab -l to see my crons, with the other way i cant...
01:02<drakeman>ml|, going to ty it to reboot in 2 minutes, :D to see if everything works fine
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01:03<ml|>yes, but you can always just do read the file if using the other way the other way
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01:04<drakeman>ml|, working perfectly
01:05<ml|>!congratulate drakeman
01:05<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies drakeman, you did it!
01:05<drakeman>ml|, hehe, thanks.
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01:05<ml|>so wich method did you use?
01:05<drakeman>ml|, going to modify the time... crontab -e under root
01:06<ml|>glad it's working :)
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01:09<drakeman>ml|, thanks, the final line is this ---> 0 3 * * 1-5 /sbin/shutdown -h now (to shutdown everday mon to friday without weekends, at 3am.)
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01:12<ml|>drakeman: yes, good job
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01:13<drakeman>ml|, xD thanks.
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01:30<drakeman>good night to everyone, ml| thanks, see you tomorrow.
01:30<drakeman>thanks adb.
01:30<ml|>good nite
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01:35<ottoshmidt>what's diff between unstable and experimental debians?
01:35<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
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01:36<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
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02:03<kop>I'm trying to upgrade to lenny and, following the release notes, I run "aptitude update". I get "The resolver timed out after producing a solution" (and more) and nothing upgrades. What's the right approach here?
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02:08<kop>This, by the by, is the aptitude package conflict resolver, not the dns resolver.
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02:28<adama26>I installed a theme ("GlassDark") from and specified that icon theme in the Appearance properties, and some things changed to that theme but some have not: - adama's home should appear like folder-home.png
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02:31<adama26>also the trash can did not change
02:34<adama26>they do change when I choose other themes which I've downloaded
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02:38<royu_>net-retreiver: gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found
02:38<royu_>> net-retreiver: gpgv: error bad signature on
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02:39<royu_>recently , I install etch version of arm
02:39<joe__>Im using coherence as a dlna server for my ps3, it works great, i have a .coherence file in ~ that specifies the folder to use, only problem is on my ps3 the files are completely unsorted, is there a way to sort them alphabetically?
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02:40<royu_>cannot netinstall 'etch' with 'etch' installer
02:40<royu_>any body can help me
02:40<royu_>thanks in advance
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02:41<royu_>Jun 15 17:26:09 anna-install: Installing lenny-support
02:41<royu_>Jun 15 17:26:09 anna[4145]: ERROR **: can't find packages file
02:41<royu_>Jun 15 17:26:09 main-menu[1593]: DEBUG: resolver (libc6-udeb): package doesn't exist (ignored)
02:41<royu_>Jun 15 17:26:09 main-menu[1593]: DEBUG: resolver (libc6): package doesn't exist (ignored)
02:41<royu_>Jun 15 17:26:10 main-menu[1593]: INFO: Falling back to the package description for auto-install
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02:43<royu_>cannot netinstall 'etch' with 'etch' installer
02:43<royu_>please help me
02:43<jm_>joe__: sort them where?
02:44<royu_>cannot netinstall 'etch' with 'etch' installer
02:45<joe__>well i think the ps3 reads the list
02:45<joe__>and you cant sort them on there
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02:45<bremner>!tell royu_ about wait
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02:46<royu_>thanks ,bremner
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02:47<joe__>jm_ u use coherence?
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02:49<jm_>joe__: no, I just checked what it is now
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02:50<joe__>ahh, k
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02:54<kop>royu_ : If the messages refer to lenny, maybe your sources.list file contains references to "lenny" or "stable"? Why would you want to install etch instead of lenny when lenny is the new stable?
02:54<kop>!tell royu_ -about paste
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03:05<zod>hi there
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03:07<royu_>about this doc
03:07<royu_>cannot netinstall 'etch' with 'etch' installer
03:08<royu_>please kindly help me . thanks
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03:10<bremner>royu_: as kop asks, are _sure_ you are installing etch?
03:11<royu_>I read
03:11<royu_>this doc , and try it .
03:11<royu_>but can't install it
03:11<royu_>Jun 15 17:26:10 net-retriever: gpgv: WARNING: multiple signatures detected. Only the first will be checked.
03:11<royu_><royu_> Jun 15 17:26:10 net-retriever: gpgv: Signature made Sat May 23 17:31:55 2009 UTC using RSA key ID 55BE302B
03:11<royu_><royu_> Jun 15 17:26:10 net-retriever: gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found
03:11<royu_>here are this install log
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03:12<royu_>anybody, help me ?
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03:20<bremner>royu_: no idea, but maybe if you paste a complete log to a pastebin site (not in the channel), someone will help. Also maybe you just have a bad mirror
03:20<royu_>thanks, I already try some mirror
03:21<royu_>US ,JP , and so on
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03:21<royu_>but quesion is same
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03:24<coicoi>hi all
03:24<coicoi>who can help me?
03:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
03:24<jm_>coicoi: local gipsy woman maybe
03:25<coicoi>where are there ?
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03:32<ml|>bremner: figure out how use those emac keybinding?
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03:33<nano-_>How do I set permissions of a file which I install in a debian package?
03:33<nano-_>The makefile says: install -D -m 600 authkeys $(DESTDIR)/etc/ha.d/authkeys
03:33<nano-_>However, when installed it's still 644
03:35<blackdragon42>It's fairly quiet in here, isn't it?
03:36<bremner>ml|: nope
03:36<ml|>maybe you have to use gnome
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03:38<bremner>yeah, well screw that :)
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03:50<adama26>judd: versions electricsheep
03:50<judd>adama26: electricsheep -- etch: 2.6.8-5 lenny: 2.6.8-9 sid: 2.6.8-9 squeeze: 2.6.8-9
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04:10<Kyria>Evening, I've got an odd problem. In Debian GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.26-2-686, installed on a Dell Latitude c810 (256mb ram, geForce 2 Go, PIII 1ghz) when the laptop's lid is closed, then opened it comes out of sleep... but the screen stays black? If anyone can help, thanks!
04:10<jm_>Kyria: might be video card issue, which driver are you using?
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04:13<Kyria>I just installed debian, Im very new to Linux in a whole unfortunately. I tried ubuntu before but it ran abit slower then debian on this laptop, do I need to install Legacy drivers for this jm_?
04:13<jm_>Kyria: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
04:14<jm_>or maybe grep _drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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04:15<Kyria>okay, I've got Xorg.0.log open now jm_
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04:16<craigevil>look for any lines that have [EE]
04:16<jm_>Kyria: search for _drv
04:17<Kyria>jm_:, module version 2.1.10, Module class X.Org Video driver, Abi class: video drivr, version 2.0
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04:18<jm_>Kyria: right, you might need to use nvidia's driver - suspend/resume is relatively reliable for me with it
04:18<Kyria>Okay, is there a specific one I should use? GeForce 2 Go is probably legacy at this point
04:18<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
04:18<jm_>go to thay wiki page - you need to use the legacy driver
04:19<Kyria>Thanks, I'll try that jm_ thank you for your help I really appreciate it.
04:19<Kyria>Hopefully it works after that.
04:20<ml|>Kyria: want some info on linux, sense you are new to linux
04:20<ml|>to read/learn
04:21<Kyria>Yeh, I'm pretty new to linux ml|, It's my grandma's laptop and debian seemed a nice simple solution for her, along with what she needs, OpenOffice and Email / Light web browsing is it
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04:22<ml|>dpkg: tell Kyria about unix lessons
04:22<ml|>dpkg: tell Kyria about grounding
04:23<twb>What is a tool to scan a directory tree and checksum each file, then hard-link files that have the same checksum?
04:23<ml|>dpkg: tell Kyria about dpkgbot
04:23<ml|>dpkg: tell Kyria about selftell
04:23<less>I think you'd call that tool a script. ;-)
04:24<Kyria>Thanks ml|
04:24<ml|>Kyria: read messages from dpkg np
04:24<Kyria>Yeh, I am
04:25<ml|>Kyria: one more do /msg dpkg reference
04:25<jm_>twb: fdupes
04:25<Kyria>okay done thanks
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04:26<jm_>twb: uhh ignore me, it can't do second requirement, I thought it can
04:27<jm_>twb: but perforate tools seem to be able to
04:27<zod>i'm trying to install wine on sid/amd64 but it's broken because of the dependencies. Is there a way to install it?
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04:30<jm_>did you check BTS?
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04:32<twb>perforate's finddup -l worked perfectly, thanks
04:34<zod>jm_: yes, #534238 seems to match but there wasn't any progress
04:36<jm_>zod: looks complicated (the new ia32 stuff)
04:36<zod>seems like ia32-apt-get install ia32-wine should work
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04:37<jm_>I shall read what's the story behind this ia32 thing
04:37<zod>if you got a nice overview i would be glad if you would share it
04:37<bremner>jm_: wait a few days/weeks, there is a new version in the works
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06:09<hever_>How can I read a file binary inverted means from end to start ?
06:10<jm_>hever: tried tac?
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06:11<hever_>jm_, hmm. thats not binary or bytewise.
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06:12<jm_>hever_: doh, this thing is for text files only
06:13<hever_>that's the point ;)
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06:14<jm_>rev will work though
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06:15<hever_>ok thanks
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06:16<hever_>I'm wondering sometimes what a universe of command line tools is still installed on my pc ;)
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06:34<robyromania>hi, can anyone tell me how i can detect the wireless networks and how to connect to them? is there any special program for that?
06:35<craigevil>robyromania: several if you want a GUI, network-manager, wicd, wifi-radar
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06:37<robyromania>do i have to install some additional drivers, or is a standard installation ok?
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06:39<craigevil>depends on your wireless card, you might take a look at the wiki>
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06:50<robyromania>which one of the three wireless network detectors works best? or which one is used most?
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07:03<Kyria>jm_ Thanks for your help earlier, I read through information from dpkg and wikis and I'm trying to follow this guide: but when I try "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common" It updated the module-assistant, but then it says "E: Couldn't find package nvidia" is that bad?
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07:05<jm_>Kyria: add contrib and non-free to sources.list
07:05<Kyria>I'm unsure how to do that, didn't come across it while reading jm_ is it hard?
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07:06<jm_>Kyria: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
07:06<Kyria>Okay opening that now
07:07<Kyria>sources.list is open now jm_ what do I add to it?
07:07<jm_>Kyria: find the main entry for your Debian mirror, add " contrib non-free" at the end
07:08<jm_>without ""
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07:08<Kyria>Theres two, deb lenny main and deb-src one right after that
07:08<Kyria>Then theres updates main x2, volatile main x2, both with a -src aswell
07:09<craigevil>add contrib non-free to deb lenny main
07:10<craigevil>so it looks like > deb lenny main contrib non-free
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07:11<Kyria>Thanks craigvil
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07:13<Kyria>Eck, don't have the perms necessary to save the file. I'm such a newbie >_<
07:13<craigevil>you need to edit it as root, type su then root's password then nano /etc/apt/sources.list
07:14<Kyria>Allright, thanks
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07:15<Kyria>^0 Writeout, is that how to save it?
07:16<craigevil>writeout then exit yes
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07:17<Kyria>Phew, that did it.
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07:18<Kyria>It still says "E: Couldn't find Package nvidia" though when I do "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia kernel-common"
07:18<craigevil>now do apt-get update then follow the rest of the wiki
07:18<Kyria>That error that it can't find it doesn't matter/
07:19<Kyria>Or hmm I'll try the command first sorry :P
07:19<jm_>the package is not nvidia, you have a wrong command
07:19<craigevil>you have to do apt-get update any time you change sources.list then you can do apt-get install
07:19<jm_>and yes, you need to run apt-get update too
07:19<Kyria>Okay I ran apt-get update, and the wiki has the wrong command?
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07:20<jm_>let me see what it says
07:20<raphi>hola alquien q me pueda ayudar
07:20<Kyria>I'm following under "use module assistant"
07:20<raphi>quien sabe como configurar mi wifi
07:20<Kyria>Under "install the kernel module"
07:20<craigevil>apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r)
07:21<jm_>nowhere does it say apt* install nvidia
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07:22<Kyria>I was using "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common"
07:22<Kyria>Then affter that it will say the "E: Couldn't find package nvidia"
07:22<jm_>right, make sure you paste exact error messages etc.
07:22<Kyria>Yeh that was pasted :(
07:22<jm_>I doubt it says that, it would mention the actual package name
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07:24<Kyria>It does, sec
07:25<craigevil>apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) && apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} <that should do what you need
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07:27<jm_>paste your entire session on pastebin
07:27<jm_>(not here)
07:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
07:28<Kyria>Oh wasn't going to paste it, I took a pic just so you could see
07:29<Kyria>Trying the new command now the {VERSION} in the command "apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) && apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION}" should be one of the ones mentioned earlier in the wiki?
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07:30<craigevil>yes its basically two commands, the second will run after the first one has finished
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07:31<Kyria>Okay so, "apt-get install nvidia-kernel${96.43}-$(uname -r) && apt-get install nvidia-glx${96.43}" ? 96.43 being the version
07:32<jm_>no ;)
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07:33<Kyria>I feel so dumb :P
07:33<Kyria>I'm sorry for all the trouble
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07:34<Kyria>I don't know what I should put for the proper version then :<
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07:36<locklace>!confuse EKor
07:36<dpkg>Yes, them is our weasel today, EKor? Shirts of the Dictatorship of Micronesia with extra herring.
07:36<jm_>no need to be sorry - nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-$(uname -r)
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07:37<EKor>Herrings should be reserved for the lumber industry.
07:37<jm_>as for glx - it's just nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx
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07:38<EKor>But joking aside - I'm rather new with Debian and I'm looking for ncurses. Do you know where to find it?
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07:39<Kyria>Trying it jm_ thanks
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07:43<jm_>!tell EKor -about menuconfig
07:43<locklace>EKor: the packages are called ncurses-base, ncurses-bin, etc.
07:44<EKor>So I'll just aptitude install them all?
07:44<jm_>ncurses is already installed
07:44<EKor>I tried compiling a program that whined about lack of ncurses
07:45<jm_>see what dpkg told you
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07:47<EKor>I have no idea
07:47<dpkg>If make menuconfig doesn't work because it says ncurses isn't installed, but ncurses is installed, you need to do 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev'
07:48<Kyria>I'm so confused jm_, I tried apt-get nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx$(uname -r) btut i get a "uname-r command not found" after putting it in then "E: invalid operation nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-"
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07:48<jm_>Kyria: it's nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-$(uname -r) - there is a minux after 96xx and there is a space between uname and -r
07:49<eeeuser>Kyria: Check for typos. uname-r is not a command uname<SPACE>-r is.
07:49<jm_>and the command is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-$(uname -r)
07:49<jm_>paste it from irc client to your prompt
07:49<EKor>Ok I'll try that
07:50<EKor>Damn wrong window
07:51<EKor>Ah it worked, thanks
07:52<Kyria>Now it says "E: Invalid operation nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-"
07:52<petern>you missed "install"
07:52<jm_>!lart Kyria
07:52*dpkg duct-tapes Kyria to the floor and drools on him
07:52*Kyria dies
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07:54<EKor>Thanks again guys, I managed to compile
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07:56<locklace>!congratulate EKor
07:56<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies EKor, you did it!
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07:58<Kyria>it says "The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx- Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (>=20050829) but it is not installable"
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08:01<spectre>!dpkg non-free
08:01<dpkg>non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
08:01<jm_>Kyria: did you run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list?
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08:02<Kyria>I double checked to make sure the changes saved in the sources.list too
08:02<spectre>I'm wondering if someone could help me how to install kde4 in debian ?
08:02<chealer>Kyria: you need to run "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common", not "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common"
08:02<spectre>!dpkg kde4
08:02<dpkg>kde4 is a the lastest version of the KDE desktop. It was not released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4.1 are available from KDE 4.2 should start to appear in unstable soon, see <Experimental> packages are available at but ask about these in #debian-kde (on, not #debian. See <kde version>.
08:04<jm_>chealer: isn't that the same command? :)
08:04<Kyria>What Chealer? That's the same thing D:
08:04<chealer>jm_: uh...looks like it is
08:04<gsimmons>Kyria: Did you add the "contrib" component at the same time as "non-free"?
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08:05<chealer>Kyria: you need to run "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common", not "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia kernel-common"
08:05<chealer>sorry Kyria
08:05<Kyria>There now that's different >_> let me check gsimmons
08:06<Kyria>No because I'm dumb gsimmons
08:06<Kyria>I'll add that now >_>
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08:07<chealer>dpkg: no, kde4 is the latest KDE version, available starting from squeeze. For more information, see #debian-kde
08:07<dpkg>okay, chealer
08:07<jm_>you've done about 10% of what you were told to do!
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08:08<Kyria>Sorry jm_ :(
08:08<Kyria>I think I read and Accidentally skip things, so much text
08:08<E0x>hello , i am follow the wiki guide for get the ipw2200 wifi card working
08:08<Kyria>Going to double check from now on
08:08<E0x>but when i try load the module
08:09<E0x>some file are missing
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08:10<gsimmons>E0x: Can you pastebin the complete error output?
08:10<jm_>E0x: custom kernel perhaps?
08:11<E0x>jm_: default kernel -686
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08:11<E0x>gsimmons: hmm right now not because am at work, later maybe
08:11<Kyria>Okay.. apt-get install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-$(uname -r) actually worked this time :P after doing apt-get update, now it says "The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!" surrounded with a bunch of **** in borders.
08:12<jm_>ignore that for now
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08:12<E0x>/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
08:12<E0x>i get that too
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08:13<Kyria>Thanks alot for your guys help by the way, I appreciate it, either you're getting frustrated with my tired self missing stuff, or you're laughing about duct tape >_>
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08:14<E0x>jm_: that look like how the kernel have not ieee support enable right ?
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08:15<E0x>i mean the wireless support
08:15<jm_>E0x: naah, Debian kernel has it
08:16<E0x>but the file are missing
08:16<E0x>try reinstall the kernel ?
08:16<E0x>o try a -386 kernel ?
08:17<Kyria>Okay, now I did apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx and it downloaded/installed did its thing and then said "update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx missing lSB information. Then said Creating Nvidia TLS links... done. Is that something to be worried about?
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08:22<jm_>Kyria: no
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08:23<Kyria>Okay thanks jm_ moving onto the "Configure X to use the nvidia driver" the manual debian 5 way
08:24<mmarch>hi, i have a farly stup^H^Hsimple question: I'd like to send an e-mail with the "mail" command but can't find a way to specify the external smtp server!
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08:24<jm_>mmarch: you can't, it will use local MTA to send it
08:24<craigevil>Kyria: try installing nvidia-xconfig and run it, should be a bit easier than manually editing xorg.conf
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08:26<asd>Ciao a tutti
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08:26<asd>Ciao a tutti
08:26<mmarch>ok so how do I configure the local mta to relay mails to my smtp server ? It's a default debian 5 install with some packages (apache, trac, etc.) but with no modifications to the e-mail system
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08:26<asd>I portscanned my host for open ports and i found 749/tcp=unknow
08:27<asd>whats that!?
08:27<chealer>craigevil: see the initial message in
08:27<jm_>!tell asd -about open ports
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08:28<craigevil>chealer: whoops :) didn't know that
08:28<Kyria>Craigevil I'm just trying to follow the wiki so I don't get lost but okay trying it. I did "apt-get install nvidia-xconfig" and it seems to have worked okay. (xorg.conf was blank anyways when I tried to follow the wiki)
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08:29<Kyria>Do I do "invoke-rc.d gdm restart" now craigevil?
08:29<hotswap>Hi Debain and RAID what to do?
08:29<hotswap>My Raid does not get detected
08:29<craigevil>Kyria: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf first
08:29<asd>any help!??!
08:30<Kyria>There's nothing in xorg.conf craigevil, blank file 0 lines
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08:31<hotswap>asd what ??
08:31<asd>i've an open port
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08:31<locklace>!slap asd
08:31*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across asd's face
08:31<locklace>asd: netstat -4lp
08:31<asd>that i dont know anithung
08:31<asd>ok i do. wait
08:32<asd>Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name
08:32<asd>tcp 0 0 *:51713 *:* LISTEN -
08:32<asd>tcp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN -
08:32<asd>tcp 0 0 localhost:ipp *:* LISTEN -
08:32<asd>tcp 0 0 localhost:794 *:* LISTEN -
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08:32<asd>udp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:* -
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08:32<asd>udp 0 0 *:760 *:* -
08:32<mmarch>asd: netstat -np
08:32<locklace>!lart asd
08:32*dpkg chops asd in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
08:32<Tekno_>pastebin PLZ
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08:33<locklace>asd: rerun it as root
08:33<mmarch>asd: oui
08:33<locklace>eh, forget it. you're a waste of virtual breath
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08:33<asd>mmarch puoi helparmi tu?
08:33<asd>magari in italiano capisco meglio
08:33<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
08:34<asd>ah vado su debian-it
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08:34<Kyria>Craigevil, What should I do if xorg.conf is blank? I don't see anything on that in the wiki or previous talks here :<
08:34<Kyria>I wish I could buy you guys muffins or coffee or chocolates for helping xD
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08:35<craigevil>Kyria: take a look at modify the part where it says the card name to your card
08:35<hotswap>ok so pls can someone tell how to get debian to work with ich5R controller (RAID) to work?
08:35<hotswap>Kmuto test did not help
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08:36<jm_>hotswap: d-i supports dmraid AFAIK
08:36<hotswap>dmraid is unstable
08:36<hotswap>and if I want to run a database on it it is very risky
08:36<craigevil>Kyria: and comment out # the xinerama and the option just below twinview and that xorg.conf should work
08:36<jm_>that's the only way to use RAID if configured in BIOS
08:36<jm_>(on you rmotherboard)
08:37<jm_>of course there's always software RAID
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08:37<hotswap>Yes, but suse detects my raid
08:37<hotswap>and everything works fine
08:37<hotswap>why doesnt debian
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08:38<jm_>I wouldn't know, check other tty-s for possible messages from the installer
08:38<hotswap>If i would use the ahci driver everything should work fine or not?
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08:38<hotswap>well the installer goes to fast so im not able to read anything
08:38<hotswap>locklace told me to use kmuto but same results
08:39<jm_>ich5 is not AHCI
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08:39<hotswap>Well it s an ICH5R Controller and shoult work.
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08:39<hotswap>with ahci
08:39<jm_>yes but not with AHCI driver
08:39<hotswap>are you sure
08:39<Kyria>Okay craigevil trying it thanks
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08:40<hotswap>yes great so i can go to toilette with my controller?
08:40<jm_>why? you should be able to use piix driver with it
08:40<hotswap>because ata_piix doesnt support hotplug
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08:41<hotswap>well no hotplug
08:41<hotswap>wenn i remove raid disk nothing works until i put the other one in again
08:42<jm_>right, it seems to be a limitation of the controller, not the driver
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08:42<hotswap>ok so i need to make a software raid
08:42<hotswap>and is there anything stable other like dmraid?
08:43<jm_>it would be good if they list how one performas the coldplug operation - useful for esata
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08:44<jm_>I tried to find the info once but failed
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08:44<jm_>maybe scsi utils
08:44<hotswap>Now when i start the debian and type dmraid=true
08:44<hotswap>nothing happens
08:45<hotswap>it`s the same sh**
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08:46<hotswap>well scsi utils are beeing loaded
08:46<jm_>check other ttys for message from d-i
08:46<hotswap>when startin partionmanager
08:46<jm_>d-i wiki also lists how to manually enable dmraid
08:46<Bunnyh>dmraid=true just sets the variable dmraid to true
08:46<jm_>Bunnyh: it's a kernel parameter
08:46<Bunnyh>for the shell you are running, which of course does nothing related to dmraid
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08:47<shiznatix>Hello. I have recently been having some strange video driver issues. I am using dual monitors with an nvidea card but i keep getting these random dashes all over the screen that go away when I scroll down the page or somehow refresh that area of the screen. This didn't happen until recently and I havn't installed or upgraded anything that I know of. Is this a common enough problem to have an easy solution?
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08:49<Bunnyh>I got dmraid working by just running dmraid -ay after boot. Have you tried that?
08:50<jm_>yes that's what the wiki says to do - load the modules, install udeb and do that
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08:51<hotswap>how good is dmraid?
08:51<jm_>i would always use software raid instead of that
08:52<Bunnyh>That's what I'm doing also, dmraid just seemed fishy
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08:52<mmarch>damn... why is tellign exim4 to use smtp server so damn difficult ? argh!
08:53<Bunnyh>And if I'm right, 'fake' raid controllers aren't very good substitute for software raid anyway
08:53<hotswap>yes so whats the best idea for me?
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08:53<hotswap>2x 149Gb
08:53<Kyria>Mmh.. craigevil where is even pasted from?
08:53<craigevil>a friend that has a nvidia card, i only have intel
08:54<Kyria>Yeh, but where? You said modify the part where it says the name of my card?
08:54<hotswap>well the most important thing for me is that if one disk falls down that everything still works fine
08:54<Kyria>Which file do you mean, I don't see any of that in xorg.conf its blank :P
08:55<craigevil>Kyria: copy the one i put on the pastebin and then modify it
08:55<jm_>that's what software raid does fro you (say in RAID 1 mode)
08:56<Kyria>Okay, so the pastbin you pasted, the text in there is actually someones xorg.conf, thanks :P
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08:56<petern>and don't fall into the trap of not putting swap on raid. many people seem to think that's a good idea, for some reason
08:56<hotswap>thanx so mdadm were coming
08:57<hotswap>but wheni work with mdadm
08:57<hotswap>what to do in the controller bios?
08:57<hotswap>does it hang to getter?
08:57<mmarch>hmmm... note to myself dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
08:58<jm_>in the bios just don't configure anything for raid
08:58<hotswap>aha, so i should remove my existing raid
08:58<jm_>mmarch: it's trivial to tell exim to use smart host as you have just discovered
08:58<hotswap>sry array
08:58<hotswap>So i remove my array so that theres just nothing on it
08:59<hotswap>then install debian and after it start with mdadm
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08:59<jm_>yes, you can also configure it in the installer
08:59<jm_>at least to some degree
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09:00<mmarch>jm_: yes, once you get used to debian way of administering the system :-)
09:00<hotswap>yes how?
09:01<jm_>mmarch: it'salso explained in /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian.gz - in general always check README.Debian first
09:02<Kyria>I don't know craigevil, isn't there some other way to get xorg.conf setup right with my hardware, that has someones monitor and other things in it and such.
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09:03<craigevil>Kyria: other than going through the manual setup in the wiki none that i can think of
09:03<mmarch>jm_: ok I'll do my homework next time before polluting #debian :-)
09:03<jm_>mmarch: naah feel free to ask, I just missed your question
09:04<Kyria>I can't follow the manual setup though as it's blank. >_<
09:04<hotswap>jm_ Do you know any links for imdadm during installation?
09:04<sarc_3>i wasnt able to download the latest updates during my Debian net install, how can i do it from the OS?
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09:04<Kyria>As xorg.conf is blank*
09:05<craigevil>Kyria: all you should need is the Section "Device" lines
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09:05<sarc_3>any ideas as to why my Debian installation has no /etc/resolv.conf
09:06<jm_>hotswap: you don't use mdadm during installation, it's explained in the installation manual
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09:06<hotswap>I`ll check out
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09:08<hotswap>jm_ thanx bye
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09:12<sarc_3>does anyone know why my Debian installation has no /etc/resolv.conf file?
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09:14<jm_>sarc_3: it does
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09:14<sarc_3>where is it located?
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09:15<jm_>/etc/resolv.conf like you said
09:15<sarc_3>it's not there
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09:15<jm_>just write your own then
09:15<craigevil>perhaps the file manager your using is not set to show hidden files
09:16<jm_>perhaps you installed without network
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09:17<sarc_3>i did install without network
09:17<jm_>right that must be it
09:17<sarc_3>but i configured my /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted
09:18<sarc_3>i just created my own, that should work?
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09:18<sarc_3>ok, it's working now
09:18<sarc_3>i guess it just took a few mins for dns
09:19<sarc_3>i used a net install cd but wasnt able to choose a mirror site do to NIC issues, i have since resovled these issues and now need to update
09:20<sarc_3>what is the best way to do that?
09:20<sarc_3>from the OS
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09:21<jm_>apt* update; apt* upgrade
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09:24<Athunye>I'm googling for a cyber cafe manager... I am really lost. May someone name some, please ?
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09:25<sarc_3>thans jm
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09:26<Spectre>hey, I've installed KDE4, but some applications like iceweasel, xchat etc, looks ugly, because they were installed in gnome... How can I fix it? Reinstall doesn't work
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09:26<craigevil>Spectre: install gtk-qt-engine-kde4 and set it to use the same theme as kde4
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09:27<Spectre>craigevil, thank you
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09:33<john>hey @all
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09:34<john>hey geenna
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09:36<pabroke>hello, can someone help me with a problem reading the temperature with conky?
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09:44<sarc_3>i have a quick question about NIC drivers
09:44<sarc_3>are they stored in a separate file in the OS?
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09:44<blackbox>@sarc_3 they are compiled in the kernel or otherwise in different files
09:45<sarc_3>so they can be either?
09:46<blackbox>it depends if they have been integrated in the kernel (official or modifed)
09:46<blackbox>@sarc_3 yes it can be either way
09:46<sarc_3>ok let me explain better, sorry
09:46<blackbox>@sarc_3 one way to know it?
09:46<blackbox>@sarc_3 if your nic is recognized after the boot they're integrated in the kernel or in modules loaded by the kernel
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09:47<sarc_3>i downloaded a backport version of Debian 2.6.29 because it was the only install i could find that had the drivers necessary for my NIC
09:47<blackbox>@sarc_3 ok
09:47<blackbox>@sarc_3 then?
09:48<sarc_3>actually it was just the 2,6,29 kernel
09:48<sarc_3>i performed the actual initial instal with the 2.2.26 net install cd currently posted on Debian site
09:48<blackbox>@sarc_3 and the installer found your nic right?
09:48<sarc_3>and updated to the 2.6.29 kernel
09:48<sarc_3>no, the installer did not
09:48<sarc_3>that is my problem
09:49<gsimmons>dpkg: tell blackbox -about @
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09:49<sarc_3>i had to update to 2.6.29 kernel for NIC to be recognized
09:49<blackbox>@sarc_3 which nic?
09:49<sarc_3>after i did the install and skipped the mirror site, net update, etc steps
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09:50<sarc_3>Broadcom NetXtreme II 5716
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09:50<eans>Where do I find Broadcom NetXtreme driver?
09:50<sarc_3>i didnt find the driver, i had to update the kernel after the install finished
09:51<eans>How do you update when you have no network?
09:51<sarc_3>the new kernel had the driver
09:51<sarc_3>thumb drive
09:51<eans>Can you give me the patch links
09:51<eans>so I can download it as well
09:51<blackbox>sarc_3 maybe it is a Dell server?
09:51<sarc_3>yes, it is a dell server
09:51<eans>omg yes
09:51<eans>Dell Server too
09:51<sarc_3>what NIC you using eans?
09:51<blackbox>so here it is
09:51<eans>let me check
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09:51<blackbox>what happened
09:51<eans>one second
09:52<blackbox>cause it happened to me
09:52<blackbox>you need to accept the license for broadcom firmware
09:52<blackbox>and here it is the packet you need to download
09:52<blackbox>and put on a usb drive or whatever
09:52<blackbox>after that: wazzup!
09:53<blackbox>it works again!
09:53<eans>One Broadcom 5716 dual-port Gigabit Ethernet
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09:53<sarc_3>same as me eans
09:53<eans>where to get
09:53<eans>can u give me
09:53<blackbox>just a sec
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09:53<sarc_3>"bnx2-firmware" is that th eone?
09:53<sarc_3>the package
09:53<eans>I think so
09:53<blackbox>if you dmesg the machine it says somewhere " no firmware for broadcom"
09:54<eans>I have no idea actually.
09:54<eans>what should i download and put into my thumb drive?
09:54<sarc_3>im confused
09:55<blackbox>pick up your one
09:55<sarc_3>blackbox: are you saying that if i just use the current 2.2.26 net install cd and skip the "net" portions of the install I can simply install that firmware package and it will work?
09:55<blackbox>then dpkg -i packagename.deb as root
09:55<blackbox>sarc_3 i don't understand
09:55<blackbox>sarc_3 you want to use net install
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09:55<eans>non free mean I have to pay to get that firmware?
09:56<sarc_3>yeah, but the package is missing at install time and there is no net access
09:56<blackbox>eans it means it's not fully or partially free as in GPL
09:56<blackbox>sarc_3 you need to install from cd (not net install)
09:56<sarc_3>what will that change?
09:56<sarc_3>im still confused
09:57<blackbox>sarc_3 download the first cd of debian
09:57<blackbox>sarc_3 install from that cd
09:57<blackbox>sarc_3 after you install
09:57<blackbox>sarc_3 install the missing firmware package
09:57<blackbox>sarc_3 and you're ok
09:58<sarc_3>well crap, everyone has been telling me there is no driver for lenny
09:58<eans>I cant find 5716 Firmware
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09:58<craigevil>you can use the firmware from and install it from a usb during the install if your using lenny 5.02
09:58<gsimmons>dpkg: bcm5716
09:58<dpkg>[bcm5716] the Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express network controller (14e4:163b). It is not supported by the <bnx2> driver in Lenny's 2.6.26 kernel. For support of this device during Debian installation, ask me about <kmuto> and read the comments in
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09:58<gsimmons>judd: pciid 14e4:163b
09:58<judd>gsimmons: [14e4:163b] is 'NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'bnx2' in sid. See also
09:59<sarc_3><- confused
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09:59<hever>Hej. Where should I place a keyfile that is used to decrypt a partition automatically?
10:00<sarc_3>it seems as though we are contradicting one another
10:00<Slurb>judd build your own kernel
10:00<eans>I gave UP
10:01<eans>Debian will never work with Dell Server
10:01<eans>I will go with Ubuntu anyway
10:01<sarc_3>haha, it will work.. patience my friend
10:01<Slurb>eans its simple
10:01<eans>how simple?
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10:01<Slurb>ubuntu is not stable as debian and more buggy
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10:02<Slurb>to make a kernel
10:02<Slurb>thats what you need to do right
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10:03<sarc_3>craigevil: shouldnt the firmware be a .fw file?
10:04<sarc_3>i see a .tar and a .zip at that link
10:04<Slurb>i know a great how-to
10:04<eans>You got a link for that?
10:04<eans>Can u link me too
10:04<craigevil>unzip or untar then use the file you need
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10:04<sarc_3>i feel like ive tried thi
10:05<Slurb>but change the version of the kernel to
10:05<Byrger>Ìîæíî ëè ïåðåâåñòè õ32 Äåáèýí íà õ64?
10:05<eans>does it work for u?
10:05<sarc_3>craigevil: those are debian packages
10:06<sarc_3>doesnt the install want the driver?
10:06<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:06<Byrger>How to pass with õ32 on õ64 Debian?
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10:07<Slurb>!dpkg tell Byrger about ia-32
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10:08<Slurb>only because i have no idea
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10:09<craigevil>sarc_3: 2.6.30 is in backports, the firmware can be downloaded as a .deb
10:09<Byrger>I have downloaded õ32 Debian but the chip õ64
10:09<craigevil>sarc_3: take a look at
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10:10<sarc_3>yeah, ive read that numerous times
10:10<sarc_3>ive just had no luck dropping that on thumb drive, ill try again
10:10<Slurb>Byrger: i dont think you can put a 32bit debian on a 64bit box
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10:10<Slurb>without the 64bit there first at least
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10:11<craigevil>you can run 32bit on a 64bit machine
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10:12<sarc_3>you should def be albe to
10:12<Slurb>with linux why?
10:12<Byrger>I will go to download again: (
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10:12<Slurb>tell him to d/l the 64bit
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10:13<Slurb>its not worth it to run 32 on 64
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10:14<Slurb>run 64 then build a chroot32 it will even be faster
10:14<Slurb>if needs be
10:14<eans>Im trying now
10:14<eans>If I FAILED
10:14<eans>i will go with CentOS
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10:16<Byrger>Thanks, bye
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10:18<Slurb>never tried cent
10:19<Slurb>eans: did you enable the driver in the config
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10:26<sarc_3>if the NIC driver was stored in a separate file would it be in the /lib/modules directory?
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10:29<koollman>sarc_3: quite probably in a subdirectory of that, yes. (more precisely, for the current kernel, /lib/modules/$(uname -r) )
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10:34<Zathraz>Hi, I am looking for a solution (package) for the infamous issue that running a webbrowser over X/SSH produces a nice GUI but results in network traffic from the displaying PC not the remote server.
10:34<Zathraz>Guess that requires some nasty config and a proxy
10:35<koollman>Zathraz: are you sure about traffic origin ?
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10:37<Zathraz>iirc starting a browser (any) on machine B while being connected over SSH with X-forwarding from machine A will have the effect that one can only access websites/hosts that are available from A and not from B
10:37<vvas>that is correct
10:38<Zathraz>I am looking for a neat solution to overcome this
10:38<vvas>you could perhaps tell ssh to set up a socks proxy over the link
10:38<bremner>vvas: really? I have hard time believing that.
10:39<Zathraz>just try it ;-) edit /etc/hosts to add a site to it with a special name and see......
10:39<vvas>ah no, wait
10:39<vvas>no, bremner is right, i misread that
10:40<vvas>Zathraz: if you start a browser on machine B, it has access to websites available from B
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10:41<sarc_3>koollman: im assuming the .ko driver files only work on the kernel they are with?
10:42<koollman>sarc_3: right
10:43*bremner waits iceweasel to start up across 12 timezones
10:43<sarc_3>how hard is it to compile a driver into a kernel?
10:43<koollman>oh, with iceaweasel ... right.
10:44<koollman>firefox/iceaweasel does something neat (or stupid, considering what you want) when it's started
10:44<koollman>that is, it look for a local instance (in X), and try to use it
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10:44<koollman>there's a flag somewhere do disable that
10:44<bremner>oh, right, that could give the behaviour Zathrax saw
10:45<vvas>sarc_3: not very hard
10:45<vvas>sarc_3: but then again, it's all relative :^)
10:45<sarc_3>yeah, of course
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10:47<vvas>sarc_3: basically, your debian kernel comes from a linux-image-2.6.XX-Y-Z package
10:47<sarc_3>yeah i installed one of those yesterday
10:47<vvas>sarc_3: you need to also install the corresponding linux-headers-2.6.XX-Y-Z and linux-kbuild-2.6.XX packages
10:48<vvas>and then you just get the source of the module and follow the instructions in its README/INSTALL files
10:48<sarc_3>so id have to have he source for the driver from Broadcom?
10:48<sarc_3>for my NIC driver
10:49<cahoot>wasn't that saga concluded yesterday?
10:50<sarc_3>yeah, but im not sure what I have is the best solution
10:51<cahoot>'best' becoming an enemy of 'good enough'?
10:52<sarc_3>well the more I think about it I would rather have a kernel that I compiled myself so i know exactly what is in it
10:53<sarc_3>but this may turn out to be a nightmare for me
10:53<sarc_3>on the other hand id love to learn how to do it
10:53<bremner>FWIW, I just confirmed that arora behaves as expected when forwarded over SSH
10:53<koollman>sarc_3: well ... have a try, but remember to keep a working, verified kernel in the boot menu 'just in case' ;)
10:54<sarc_3>would a backport kernel be considered verified?
10:54<sarc_3>or do you mean an "official" kernel?
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10:54<koollman>I mean one that works and boot correctly your box
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10:54<sarc_3>yeah ive tested the functionality i need out of the backport and it seems to work just fine
10:55<Zathraz>koollman, same goes for mozilla (as distributed in Etch) afaik
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10:56<Slurb>with a backports kernel you may run into problems trying to install drivers
10:57<Zathraz>btw: looking for a lightweight graphical browser. Epiphany is too much as it requires gnome afaik. Just need a browser for remote access over SSH
10:57<dpkg>hmm... browser is Most commonly used to refer to a software program used to look at World Wide Web pages.
10:58<dpkg>a good i mean rocking web browser!, or the ultimate solution to banner ads, or to stop a transfer, hit Ctrl-G, or a piece of shit. <links> ownz it. See also <oldlynx>.
10:58<Zathraz>never knew Lynx was graphical.....
10:58<Slurb>its not
10:58<Slurb>i like it though
10:58<bja>links2 and xlinks2 are
10:58<Slurb>i use iceweasel
10:58<Slurb>its base d on mozilla
10:59<Zathraz>*all* mozilla browsers have this strange feature as I described
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10:59<Zathraz>so that is not usefull
10:59<bja>Slurb: iceweasel == firefox + "old fashion logo"
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11:00<Zathraz>bja, links seems to be a lynx type browser. xlinks is not in Debian Lenny so it seems
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11:00<dpkg>[links2] a text and graphics browser with support for HTTPS and JavaScript, packaged for Debian. For using in console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in console in GUI mode). Ask me about <links2 settings>. Does not honor the <http_proxy> / <ftp_proxy> environment variables (Debian bugs #55425, #93359).
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11:01<bja>Zathraz: there you go
11:01<bremner>Zathraz: you could set up a socks tunnel and run 'tsocks iceweasel' on the local host
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11:12<sarc_3>what is the best way for me to find out if my NIC will be supported in the next stable release of lenny?
11:12<koollman>sarc_3: ask the vendor
11:13<Myon>and/or watch the kernel changelog
11:13<koollman>answer might be disappointing, of course
11:13<sarc_3>where can i find that changelog?
11:13<sarc_3>im sure it will be
11:13<sarc_3>thanks koollman
11:13<koollman>sarc_3: which NIC is it ?
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11:13<sarc_3>Broadcom NetXtreme II 5716
11:14<sarc_3>i bet there are a number of people on here that are tired of seeing that pasted
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11:14<koollman>ah ... right, right ... broadcom. can work on linux, but non-free driver/firmware.
11:14<sarc_3>haha.. yeah
11:14<koollman>unlikely to ever work, unless broadcom changes its mind (and recode part of the driver, too)
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11:15<koollman>that is, to work 'by default' in debian
11:15<sarc_3>if it isnt supported in next release im strongly considering sending the hardware back
11:15<sarc_3>by default
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11:15<koollman>won't happen. Though lenny installer surprised me by handling the situation rather nicely
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11:16<sarc_3>well im trying the lenny installer now and giving it those packages so we'll see....
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11:16<koollman>my wifi card was detected and it asked me for the firmware .. which is good enough
11:16<koollman>not exactly 'supported by default', but as close as possible considering the license issues
11:17<sarc_3>i provided the firmware to the installer and it says "No kernel modules were found."
11:18<sarc_3>on my thumbdrive, which has the bnx2 firmware package
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11:18<_salo_>hey i'm trying since hours to use debootstrap to install debian on a cf-card
11:19<_salo_>always get the same error: Failure while installing base packages
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11:19<_salo_>can somebody help me?
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11:21<koollman>sarc_3: the installer might be looking for a different version or format of the firmware
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11:22<gsimmons>_salo_: Provide the contents of your debootstrap.log file at a paste site.
11:22<sarc_3>because i dont know what else to throw at it
11:23<sarc_3>ive tried so many different files
11:23<gsimmons>sarc_3: What installer are you using this time?
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11:23<sarc_3>this time i am using CD1 iso for 2.6.26 lenny
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11:23<_salo_>heres the paste
11:23<sarc_3>someone suggested this.. can't remember who now
11:24<gsimmons>sarc_3: Again, the bnx2 driver in 2.6.26 does not support the BCM5716. How many times do we have to tell you this?
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11:24<_salo_>gsimmons, first fail at 386
11:25<sarc_3>clearly not enough times
11:25<adb> clearly trolling
11:26<gsimmons>_salo_: That's the entire file?
11:26<_salo_>gsimmons, no it goes on 5 times with the try
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11:27<_salo_>gsimmons, but theres no more additional information
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11:28<sarc_3>so im off to build my own kernel, anyone know any good tutorials for lenny?
11:28<sarc_3>i really dont want to use backport
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11:28<gsimmons>_salo_: OK. Please re-run debootstrap with --verbose, then provide another debootstrap.log paste with the full debootstrap command you're executing.
11:28<sarc_3>ill just build off 2.6.26
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11:28<_salo_>gsimmons, that is the output with verbose option on
11:30<gsimmons>_salo_: And the command? Also, what debootstrap version is this?
11:30<cahoot>sarc_3: apart from using kernel-package there really isn't no distribution specifics about configuring a kernel - just a errorprone activity noone else can do for you
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11:31<_salo_>the command is: debootstrap --variant=minbase --verbose --include=linux-image-686,grub lenny /media/disk/
11:32<_salo_>gsimmons, version is 1.0.10lenny1
11:32<Zathraz>bremner, I put my own machine in the remote machines /etc/hosts as hostname 'bla'. Lynx can see it. Now I installed and configured tsocks and iceweasel. However, 'bla' does not resolve
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11:34<Zathraz>I presume I need to install a seperate socks server too?
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11:38<ahven>hi, I have a situation over here that is over my head: every 2.6.30 kernel (from source or binary) wants to boot from NFS, no matter the boot parameters
11:39<koollman>ahven: perhaps you configured it with a builtin cmdline
11:40<ahven>well, the binary kernel surely doesn't include that, right? linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64
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11:41<ahven>took my .config from 2.6.26, "make oldconfig" and built the kernel, IP-Config at boot
11:41<ahven>doesn't say anything about something broken
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11:41<_salo_>gsimmons, any ideas?
11:41<gsimmons>_salo_: Your paste is the output from the debootstrap command. I was after the contents of /media/disk/debootstrap/debootstrap.log.
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11:42<_salo_>gsimmons, oh sorry
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11:42<_salo_>gsimmons, ok iĺl paste that but it will take a while cause im trying it right now on a several machine
11:42<ahven>even tried removing any nfs client support from the kernel, seems that is not related to that capability
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11:47<ahven>any ideas at all, where to look further? :)
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11:49<ahven>and no, CONFIG_CMDLINE isn't enabled
11:50<_salo_>gsimmons, so finally the requested paste
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11:52<ahven>what about the other way around - how to make sure that my kernel isn't able to boot from over the network?
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11:54<_salo_>gsimmons, ok it seems he does not like the kernel .deb file
11:54<gsimmons>_salo_: Yes, your debootstrap command completes without issue when 'linux-image-686' is omitted from --include.
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11:55<_salo_>gsimmons, do you know a solving for this issue?
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11:55<_salo_>gsimmons, because i want to include a kernel :)
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11:57<_salo_>gsimmons, ok thanks so far
11:57<_salo_>gsimmons, i think i know a work arround
11:58<_salo_>bye all
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12:01<sean>my friends wireless mouse and keyboard are not working in ubuntu; they worked when booting from disk, but not when booting from hd; can anyone help me to help him?
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12:03<sean>hello, is anyone here?
12:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:04<beer>There are something I dont understand. Debian is dropping kde 3.5 in squeeze but keeps arts (kde 3.5 soundsystem) witch only a few people likes anymore
12:05<bja>beer: Do you think that is a bug?
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12:14<ahven>so there isn't a way to disable PXE boot in linux kernel?
12:15<Zathraz>euh. isn't that usually enabled/disabled in BIOS?
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12:16<ahven>it is disabled over there
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12:17<ahven>looked at the grub configuration, nothing there to suggest trying to boot with PXE
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12:20<koollman>ahven: external (or expensive) lan card may have it's own little bios doing that
12:20<ahven>koollman, integrated lan
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12:21<ahven>when booting in single-user mode, it boots up the kernel just fine, I see that it sees the hard drive, but instead of mounting root on that drive, it acquires an ip from dhcp and then says that there isn't a nfsroot
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12:28<valdyn>ahven: pxe booting is done by the *bios* not the kernel
12:28<ahven>ok, that is one good answer
12:29<ahven>but why does one kernel mounts the correct normally, the other wants to boot from network only? :)
12:29<valdyn>ahven: and as such pxe booting is a method to load a kernel
12:29<valdyn>ahven: your a little confused
12:30<ahven>that is correct :)
12:30<valdyn>ahven: the kernel is already booted when it tries to mount your nfs share
12:30<valdyn>ahven: your system is trying to mount an nfs share because it is configured to do so
12:31<ahven>and where is that NFS share written?
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12:32<valdyn>ahven: probably the initrd
12:32<valdyn>ahven: you or whoever configured that system did this
12:32<valdyn>ahven: its also possible that your boot managers menu entry does pxe
12:33<ahven>initramfs.conf says BOOT=local
12:33<valdyn>ahven: thats not the bios in that case, but its also not the kernel
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12:33<valdyn>ahven: cant you ask whoever did set up that system?
12:34<ahven>valdyn, I am that person
12:34<valdyn>ahven: then you would know what you did with nfs
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12:34<Guest627>ani body can help me???
12:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:35<Midou>with knoppix
12:35<Midou>how i can connect skype??
12:36<Midou>or some thing
12:36<valdyn>ahven: your computer being connected to a network that has a pxe boot server and your bios being set to boot from network is something you would know about, no?
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12:36<Midou>my gole is to do a call
12:37<valdyn>Midou: this is not the knoppix channel
12:37<Midou>where is the problem
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12:37<noflash>!tell Midou -about knoppix
12:37<Midou>you cant help me
12:38<Midou>as you like
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12:39<Midou>for idea i cant praticate englich verry good
12:39<Midou>good by all
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12:40<blue32>hello peeps can i get 3d accel with my 4850 card for the lenny release?
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12:56<chealer>blue32: your what card?
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13:03<blue32>ati 4850
13:04<blue32>hd radeon 4850
13:05<gsimmons>blue32: There should be support for the RV770 GPU in Lenny's fglrx-driver.
13:06<blue32>ah ok ty
13:06<prowl3r>hi. could someone please tell me my ip when i joined ? thks
13:07<bja>tor cloack
13:08<ml|>prowl3r: do a /whois on your self
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13:30<DevNullnDull>is dselect used much anymore?
13:30<l2ping>hi all
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13:44<DevNullnDull>does apt and aptitude share the same DB, or do they have there own DB's?
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13:44<patrikf>DevNullnDull: dpkg, apt-get and aptitude share their DB.
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13:45<azeem_>parts of their respective DBs
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13:46<DevNullnDull>patrikf: share the same DB, right?
13:46<DevNullnDull>also dselect as well? right?
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13:46<patrikf>yeah. except things like manual/automatic-installation-tracking, I think only apt-get and aptitude have those
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13:47<DevNullnDull>azeem_: ? thats what I am asking, is there more then one DB for apt-get, dkpg, dselect, and aptiude?
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13:48<Hydroxide>DevNullnDull: there's one database for dpkg and one for apt.
13:48<Hydroxide>DevNullnDull: apt-get and aptitude use the same db, though aptitude stores a bit more info separately (this part may no longer be true)
13:49<arnold>hey anybody knows terminal video player
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13:49<Hydroxide>DevNullnDull: the dpkg db is relevant too
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13:52<DevNullnDull>stew: is there a place or diagram of this flow? I have been reading everything thing i can about apt, and all. And everything I have readed seem to say the shared the same DB.
13:53<DevNullnDull>sorry wrong channel
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13:54<DevNullnDull>stew: what about dselect and dkpg?
13:54<DevNullnDull>sorry again wrong channel, getting use to irssi
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14:01<arnold>any body knows terminal vido player
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14:01<arnold>terminal video player
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14:02<ahven>valdyn, thanks for pointing me to initramfs
14:02<ahven>ltsp didn't remove everything from there and that was causing all those problems
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14:08<ryeenv>I haven't used linux heavily in around 10+ years and I am begining to make a custom USB thumbdrive install using netinst. Is this a silly thing to do, ie. is there something you would recommend instead?
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14:09<dpkg>UNetbootin allows you to create bootable Live USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions from Windows or Linux, without requiring you to burn a CD. You can either let it download one of the many distributions supported out-of-the-box for you, or supply your own Linux <iso> file if you've already downloaded one or your preferred distribution isn't on the list.
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14:10<patrikf>dpkg, tell petemc about selftell
14:10<ryeenv>he was doing it for my benifit
14:11<ryeenv>(i believe)
14:11<patrikf>oh, damn, sorry
14:11<ryeenv>no worries
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14:14<ryeenv>petemc, i've looked at the Live USBs and the seem to retain a lot of the akward persistency stuff that Live CDs have.
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14:14<sbp>does anybody know what is different between the grub installed by debian and the grub installed by ubuntu? this is on an intel mac mini.. a fresh install of ubuntu will boot but a fresh install of lenny will not
14:15<ryeenv>petemc, do you think partitioning a thumdrive and doing a custom install will be a little smoother in the end?
14:15<ml|>sbp: maybe ubuntu is using grub2
14:16<sbp>i thought that too, so i tried installing grub2 and failed, and then tried grub-efi and failed
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14:16<sbp>failed to boot not install
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14:19<ml|>grub2 might need to be configured correctly, to boot a mac, it is suppose to support efi
14:20<sbp>okay maybe ill re-try grub2, a google search shows a ton about dual booting using refit and all that but i dont dual boot or anything
14:20<ryeenv>sbp, are you using the built-in partitioning tools durring the installs of the distros?
14:21<ryeenv>sbp, maybe they are configure the mbr differently
14:21<sbp>i have booted with the osx dvd and used disk utility just to change the partition style to mbr, then used the tool on the debian cd(freebsd, ubuntu, centos will boot)
14:22<ml|>sbp: so you don't have OS X installed any more? was going to suggest you try refit
14:22<sbp>no i dont.. im sure its just something simple too i just cant figure it out :D
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14:23<ml|>and docs on grub2 are not great atm
14:23<ml|>if any
14:24<ryeenv>sbp, does grub simple not come up or do you get an error?
14:24<sbp>i dont get anything just a white screen with a flashing folder, which is what the mini does when it cant find anything to boot
14:25<ryeenv>it is hackish, but maybe use the debian cd to create a sperate /boot partition then when installing ubuntu don't step on that partition
14:26<sbp>i will try to create a seperate /boot, i dont have any os on it atm
14:26<ryeenv>if you are getting absolutely nothing when booting it must be an issue with the mbr
14:27<sbp>yah.. well i have just debian on the drive, but cant boot to it.. i was trying to the different grubs via rescude mode
14:27<ryeenv>ohh... ic
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14:27<ryeenv>i thought you were doing fresh installs each time
14:28<sbp>i am but single boot
14:28<sbp>i wiped ubuntu to try debian
14:28<ryeenv>ohh, so ubuntu worked and you are having trouble with debian?
14:29<sbp>yah, a fresh install of ubuntu will boot
14:29<sbp>if i was to reinstall it again
14:29<ryeenv>i must have flipped them around in my head... sorry
14:29<sbp>oh im sure i didnt type it clear
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14:34<ml|>sbp: maybe #grub on might know how you can get this going
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14:35<sbp>thanks ill ask there too
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14:44<Slurb>is for horses
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14:55<drakeman_>what happen to aiden, hahaha
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14:59<songer> I need your help. I want to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.30
15:00<locklace>songer: what version of debian
15:01<patrikf>songer: why do you want to upgrade? why do you need our help?
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15:09<blackHunter>na was geht
15:09<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:26<Lomion>what's the suffix for the non-free repositories?
15:26<Lomion>just main non-free contrib?
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15:27<ml|>non-free sources
15:27<ml|>!non-free sources
15:27<dpkg>i heard non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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15:29<Lomion>hey ml| btw. I found out what was messing with my window managers. Apparently WINE had run amok at the install. No idea why
15:29<Lomion>but there was no other solution than to reinstall it
15:29<ml|>everything working fine now?
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15:30<Lomion>well I'm in the process of reinstalling it
15:31<Lomion>Working a lot recently and for the next two weeks so I don't have as much time as I'd like to to properly get bogged down with it.
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15:31<ml|>Lomion: amok?
15:32<ml|>haha nevermind
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15:34<leejongwook>i need help, i ran dd command with wrong device name,
15:34<Nehyx>bye :)
15:34<locklace>!pal leejongwook
15:34*dpkg points at leejongwook and laughs hysterically
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15:35<ml|>leejongwook: maybe explain yourself a bit better
15:35<locklace>leejongwook: what was the device you ran it on
15:35<leejongwook>backup drive
15:36<Lomion>ml|: Were you the chap that recommended the apt-get install module-assistant, m-a prepare, m-a a-i nvidia way of sorting
15:36<Lomion>out nvidia?
15:36<locklace>leejongwook: paste the full commandline
15:36<leejongwook>dd if=binary.img of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
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15:36<locklace>leejongwook: is /dev/sdb a hard disk or something else? what was on it, just backup data?
15:36<leejongwook>i copied from this site and wanted modify the device name but i went true
15:36<leejongwook>it's hard drive
15:37<ml|>Lomion: when i did it, i just followed the wiki and just redo one step with new kernel
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15:37<leejongwook>bash shell scripts and python scripts for myself
15:37<locklace>leejongwook: well it's hosed now. repartition, re-mkfs and recopy your data
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15:37<leejongwook>don't know how T-T
15:38<locklace>leejongwook: "cfdisk /dev/sdb" is a good place to start
15:38<Lomion>ml| Alright must've been someone else.
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15:38<ml|>Lomion: yes, but i would do it using the wiki
15:39<ml|>Lomion: i know you had trouble understanding the wiki and getting to work, but i think it's best to use the wiki
15:41<ml|>Lomion: are you re-installing debian?
15:41<Lomion>I understand the wiki and all. There were just conflicting errors all the time from other changes I've made in my ignorance over the fact the a lot has changed about linux since I was last dabbling in it. The wiki is excellent, but I have to say that the m-a way was much quicker and less painstaking.
15:41<Lomion>That's already sorted actually, It's running alright now
15:41<locklace>leo5101: do not fucking message me. read the channel topic. and /msg dpkg es
15:42<ml|>Lomion: so you are at the stage to install nvidia drivers now?
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15:43<Lomion>I'm at the stage where I've just run "m-a a-i nvidia" and that was all fine
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15:45<ml|>i think Slurb was the one who suggested you do it that way
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15:45<locklace>!attack Slurb with a mouldy cauliflower
15:45*dpkg paws the ground, then runs at Slurb and pounces, digging a mouldy cauliflower into Slurb's chest.
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15:47<Lomion>ml| that's his face, yeah
15:47<ml|>Lomion: do you remember how to generate new xorg.conf like i showed you, that is if you need to
15:47<Lomion>There was this command, I think there were three of them or something. Nvidia-config something something
15:48<Lomion>That's exactly what I'm trying to remember man ^^
15:48<ml|>one sec i'll pastebin that for you
15:50<Lomion>nice one man
15:51<Lomion>I hate stomping my feet like this. I work as an EMT so I have to get up bloody early in the morning. And that leaves me knackerd towards the evening, which means that I just don't have the time to properly go through all this crap every day :D
15:52<ml|>take your and do it right the first time ;)
15:52<Lomion>ml| awesome pastebin, that's just what I was looking for
15:52<Lomion>vvas: EMT = Emergency Medical Technician
15:52<Lomion>In the states I think you call it a paramedic
15:52<ml|>*take your time and do it right the first time ;)
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15:55<Lomion>ml| My point was rather that time was short :) there's just not enough hours in the day sometimes
15:55<Lomion>Guys, this one chap just whispered me and asked if there was a debian help channel in spanish.
15:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:55<locklace>Lomion: it was leo5101 wasn't it
15:55<Lomion>I honestly don't know, so if anyone does - please let leo5101 know
15:56<locklace>!lart leo5101
15:56*dpkg steals leo5101's mojo
15:56<ml|>yes, so you rush and make mistakes, plus i'm sure you are tired from work
15:56<locklace>!tell leo5101 about es
15:56<Lomion>ml| definately, you're quite right.
15:56<Lomion>ml| I usually get up at 5:30
15:56<Lomion>and don't get to bed until 23-24 sometimes
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15:57<Lomion>it's just not a good environment for learning things properly. Empirical testing and pestering you lot for answers is the way to go! :D
15:57<ml|>Lomion: i'm just saying that so you don't have to redo it over and over till you get it right and the end forget what you did right for things to work
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15:59<Lomion>vvas: naturally I was taking the piss, please don't hate me :<
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16:01<Lomion>there was this other thing I was meaning to ask
16:02<Lomion>Oh yeah, installing flash for opera on a 64 bit system didn't work with the tarball from adobe's hp. Have they changed the compatibility since last I used debian? Or is it just the fact that there's no support for 64 bit yet?
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16:04<Lomion>Also, ml| thanks a lot. My nvidia card is working fine now. Appreciate the effort over the last few days man.
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16:04<vvas>Lomion, in Debian you're probably better off installing all these from packages
16:04<vvas>i.e. add non-free to your sources.list and install package flashplugin-nonfree, and also add opera's repositories and install opera from there
16:04<vvas>(i can go into more detail for each)
16:05<ml|>is there a flashplugin for 64 bit in the repos?
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16:05<vvas>of course
16:05<vvas>(in the repos for amd64 only, naturally)
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16:06<ml|>did not know that sense i use i386, thanks vvas
16:06<Lomion>alright man, I'll give that a go
16:06<Lomion>does opera host it's own repositories?
16:06<ml|>dpkg: tell Lomion about non-free sources
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16:06<vvas>Lomion: yes
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16:07<vvas>Lomion: what are you running again? lenny?
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16:07<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see . #opera on
16:07<vvas>ah, looks like it's all covered
16:07<Lomion>vvas aye, lenny
16:07<ml|>dpkg: tell Lomion about dmm lenny
16:08<vvas>Lomion: well, just follow the instructions you've just been given for non-free and opera, and you're set :^)
16:09<ml|>Lomion: know how to edit your soures.list
16:09<Lomion>Oh yeah, np
16:09<ml|>ok, have fun
16:09<Lomion>I might seem completely lost, but that's because I haven't used debian since about 2002
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16:10<Lomion>I remember some of the basics. But I've forgotten a lot of the syntax, so I'm rebuilding my know-how. Slowly but surely :)
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16:10<vvas>hm, didn't know that flashplugin-nonfree doesn't exist in stable
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16:10<vvas>you learn something every day
16:11<vvas>(currently conversing with the bot)
16:11<snafu>speaking of flash
16:11<snafu>cant seem to install flash player
16:11<ml|>dpkg: tell Lomion about adobe flash
16:11<locklace>judd versions flashplugin-nonfree
16:11<judd>locklace: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.6 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.6
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16:12<vvas>so what's the difference between dmm's flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree?
16:12<ml|>vvas: didn't know either, so we both learned something new
16:13<Kjetil_>flashplayer-mozilla is probably gnash
16:13<ml|>judd: versions flasplayer-mozilla
16:13<judd>ml|: flasplayer-mozilla --
16:13<ml|>ah, no dmm
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16:13<ml|>vvas: besides version numbers, i think they are the same
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16:14<locklace>judd versions flashplayer-mozilla
16:14<judd>locklace: flashplayer-mozilla -- etch-multimedia: 1: sid-multimedia: 1: squeeze-multimedia: 1: lenny-multimedia: 1:
16:14<ml|>Kjetil_: no, it's adobe's
16:15<ml|>hah, just noticed my error, thanks locklace
16:15<vvas>yes dmm, no typos :-p
16:15<chealer>vvas: flashplugin-nonfree is just an installer
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16:16<vvas>ah, that
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16:27<ml|>Lomion: have you learned to use dpkg the bot?
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16:27<Lomion>I'm trying to trick it
16:28<ml|>ok, asking about grounding and unix lessons to refresh your memory on linux
16:28<Lomion>Good idea
16:28<ml|>dpkg: gender
16:28<dpkg>I'm pregnant
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16:32<asaleem>how can I send ctrl+alt+del in vncveiwer?
16:32<ml|>why is there a factiod in dpkg for 64 bit flash, that does not mention using the repos?
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16:34<locklace>asaleem: man vncviewer
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16:35<asaleem>locklace, got it shit+ctrl+alt+del
16:35<asaleem>of F8 brings in the menu
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16:39<Lomion>Anyone got a suggestion for a good torrent programme that runs well enough with a clean gui?
16:40<jrabbit>theres tons
16:40<jrabbit>look at the apt tags
16:40<Lomion>Yah I know there's loads, but I was asking your preference :)
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16:41<jrabbit>I use deluge
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16:41<jrabbit>pretty flexible to usage situations
16:41<Br4z3r>Hi All, I'm trying to config a openVPN server on debian 5.0 Image after making the server.conf and starting the bridge-start scrip the server just freezes what could be the problem
16:41<ml|>rtorrent if you don't mind using the terminal
16:41<jrabbit>lol rtorrent
16:41<petemc>transmission works well for me
16:41<plt>This ircd is running on perl?
16:41<ml|>jrabbit: hah, guess you don't like it ;P
16:41<jrabbit>I was turned off from transmission because of their abuse of the mac platform
16:42<jrabbit>ml|: It's pretty much a monolithic approach to a user experince, so yes.
16:42<ml|>works great tho :)
16:42<jrabbit>irssi almost is but it's fundamentally good in my opinion so I use it
16:42<petemc>abuse of the mac platform?
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16:43<jrabbit>petemc: yeah transmission has a mac client
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16:43<vvas>Lomion: i'd go for transmission or deluge
16:43<jrabbit>it's asinine
16:43<vvas>Lomion: unless you run KDE, where ktorrent does the job great
16:43<petemc>i use it on the mac too
16:43<jrabbit>shares nothing with the linux lient apperantly
16:43<jrabbit>no client/deamon no other stuff
16:43<jrabbit>Never was a good experince running it
16:43<petemc>works fine for me
16:44<jrabbit>The development team isn't what I'd call receptive ;)
16:44<jrabbit>petemc: I've heard they actually started testign their releases
16:44<jrabbit>So I'd assume it'd improve slightly since 1.3x or w/e I used
16:44<petemc>all i know is it works fine on mac and linux for me, your complaints dont seem very valid
16:45<jrabbit>Like I said. I don't use it now. I used it previously
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16:45<jrabbit>The problems I experinced were problems everyone experinced
16:45<jrabbit>They just pissed me off.
16:45<petemc>the problem being that the mac client isnt exactly like the linux client?
16:45<jrabbit>It's not even similar
16:46<petemc>so what?
16:46<jrabbit>I don't know if they even integrated the code
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16:46<petemc>the gui is similar on both platforms
16:47<jrabbit>petemc: I'm a picky user. If it doesn't work how I want it to at the start then doesn't let me customize it, then the devs refuse any suggestion
16:47<petemc>they might be more receptive to a patch
16:47<jrabbit>it was a bad user experince.
16:47<petemc>or, it being free software, you can fork with your super new pacthes
16:47<jrabbit>I'm sure they've had more then just me be upset with the issues
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16:47<jrabbit>petemc: lol
16:47<jrabbit>because bad software definitely deserves my time.
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16:48<petemc>you havent actually said any real reason why its bad, but ok
16:48<jrabbit>I never said it is bad.
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16:48<jrabbit>I said it was bad
16:48<yebyen>xen won`t let me keep more than two or three debian hosts, what gives_
16:49<jrabbit>And the problems I saw aren't something I believe that the people who caused them could fix.
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16:50<ml|>rtorrent :)
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16:50<petemc>yebyen: what happens when you try to start further domUs?
16:50<yebyen>petemc: strange unpredictable things
16:51<yebyen>this latest domU won't respond to ssh, even though xm console shows it is receiving an IP address and starting openssh
16:51<yebyen>won't respond to pings either
16:51<petemc>thats not strange or unpredictable
16:51<yebyen>the last two wouldn't respond to ssh either
16:51<yebyen>but, it was fixed by adding udev
16:51<petemc>so networking issues
16:52<jrabbit>You didn't have udev?
16:52<yebyen>that was pty allocation failure on channel 0
16:52<yebyen>xen-tools failure
16:52<yebyen>role.d/udev is separate from role.d/minimal
16:52<yebyen>and a documentation failure overall
16:53<yebyen>xen-create-image doesn't specify any way to enact more than one role on a new domU (without hacking the roles themselves)
16:53<yebyen>i guess you could chain them together
16:54<yebyen>but yeah, i didn't have udev
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16:54<yebyen>and it caused this message that Google doesn't seem to know anything about
16:54<yebyen>"PTY Allocation Request Failed on Channel 0"
16:54<petemc>you must be using a different version of google then me
16:55<yebyen>try it
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16:55<petemc>thats a common error
16:55<yebyen>create a new xen image using xen-create-image, it will totally have /dev/ptmx
16:55<yebyen>google doesn't know what it's talking about
16:55<petemc>i dont use xen-create-image, but xen in lenny works fine for me
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16:56<yebyen>how many domUs?
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16:56<petemc>lots of machines with 10 or more
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16:57<yebyen>if you don't use xen-tools or xen-create-image
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16:58<yebyen>are you making up the domU systems yourself?
16:58<asaleem>can't I lauch a gui app like gain using cron?
16:58<yebyen>or copying a pre-existing system for bootstrap
16:58<petemc>yes, ive done most of the installs via the debian installer, and some ive cloned
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17:01<yebyen>i'm going to try rinse
17:02<petemc>theres a domU config file linked from the debian xen wiki that you can run with an install option to kick off the debian installer
17:03<yebyen>there's no explanation for these errors
17:03<yebyen>should really install udev
17:03<yebyen>i guess
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17:14<yebyen>is there a good ruby replacement for mailr now?
17:14<yebyen>that it doesn't seem to work at all
17:14<yebyen>now that
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17:42<kop>Is there a way to list what apt has for a current configuration? I want to fuss with /etc/apt/apt.conf, which currently does not exist, but don't want to break Dir::Etc::Parts. I'm wondering what happens if I don't specify Dir::Etc::Parts in my config. Does it pick up the default?
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17:43<vvas>kop: apt-config dump
17:44<kop>vvas: Thanks much.
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17:46<Eldemon>hello guys :P
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17:49<Eldemon>how to register my nick?
17:49<dr|z3d>Eldemon: /msg nickserv help
17:50<nomatter001>i installed the kernel from lenny backports to get intel 5300 running and now i'm trying to install the nvidia-driver but m-a fails cause of the newer kernel-version i use now
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17:50<Eldemon>dr|z3d, thx
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17:54<Eldemon>-NickServ- Nickname Eldemon has been registered successfully and is now yours to use.
17:54<Eldemon>good :P
17:55<drakeman>!congratulate Eldemon
17:55<dpkg>Huzzah Eldemon, you did it!
17:55<nomatter001>anybody knows what to do?
17:55<SQlvpapir>can any one recommend me some software that will use the upnp protocol to forward a port to my machine "on demand"? I'd want to select what port(s) to open myself
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17:57<msa>i have a problem with suspend/resume on my eee 900. when i resume the screen is just blank
17:58<locklace>msa: when it's in that state, does hitting caps-lock cycle the led
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18:00<msa>locklace: i have not tried that. i am reinstalling at the moment. if it does, then what?
18:00<locklace>msa: if it does then it's not a real hang, just a video bios restore quirk
18:00<nomatter001>i also have a problem with large default fonts
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18:01<locklace>msa: what kernel version/what version of debian? there've been huge acpi changes between lenny's kernel version (.26) and now (.30)
18:02<msa>locklace: 2.6.30
18:02<locklace>msa: and are you trying suspend/resume only within x or from a text console
18:02<msa>locklace: from a text console. i haven't installed x yet
18:03<vvas>nomatter001: i would imagine that you'd also have to get the nvidia drivers from the backports
18:03<locklace>msa: fine. test from a text console using s2ram. if caps-lock/keyboard input still work after resume, then try different s2ram options like -p, -m, -a
18:03<nomatter001>vvas: and how do i get them from there?
18:04<chealer>nomatter001: if you don't mind, what do you mean by intel 5300?
18:04<vvas>erm, dunno, the same way you got the kernel?
18:04<vvas>chealer: it's a wireless chip
18:04<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
18:04<msa>locklace: the command s2ram just returns a "machine unknown"
18:04<dpkg>i heard iwlagn is the driver for Intel 5050, 5100BG/ABG/ABN, 5300AGN and 5350AGN series of wireless LAN adapters. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27 ("modprobe iwlagn"). Lenny users: ask me about <> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>.
18:04<locklace>msa: you have to use -f
18:05<nomatter001>chealer: intel wifi link 5300, its a wireless card
18:05<msa>locklace: ok
18:05<chealer>nomatter001: ah
18:06<chealer>nomatter001: so what's your problem? which nvidia chipset do you use?
18:06<msa>locklace: s2ram is provided by uswsusp right?
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18:06<nomatter001>chealer: 9500M gt
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18:07<nomatter001>chealer: m-a doesn't find a corresponding kernel for my kernel version: 2.6.29-bpo.2-686
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18:09<chealer>nomatter001: you must mean it doesn't find the corresponding Linux headers...
18:09<nomatter001>chealer: exactly sry
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18:09<chealer>nomatter001: how did you install your Linux image?
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18:11<nomatter001>chealer: you mean how i installed debian? it was net-install
18:11<nomatter001>chealer: and for the wireless driver i followed the debian wiki
18:11<chealer>nomatter001: no, how did you install the backported 2.6.29?
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18:14<chealer>nomatter001: I see. what does $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 linux-headers-2.6.29-bpo.2-686; output?
18:14<nomatter001>chealer: like described here for lenny
18:14<chealer>nomatter001: yeah
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18:15<nomatter001>chealer: so now i want to have wireless an graphics drivers
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18:16<chealer>nomatter001: yes... what does $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.29-bpo.2-686 linux-headers-2.6.29-bpo.2-686; output?
18:18<chealer>nomatter001: what about $ apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.29-bpo.2-686
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18:20<chealer>nomatter001: and you're telling us that m-a prepare is failing?
18:20<nomatter001>chealer: no not m-a prepare
18:21<ml|>nomatter001: are you following debian wiki on nvidia?
18:21<nomatter001>ml|: yes i followed it
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18:21<nomatter001>ml|: but it looks like the wiki is written for people which don't install kernel from backports
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18:22<chealer>nomatter001: it's not that m-a doesn't find corresponding Linux headers, it's that they're uninstallable.
18:23<chealer>nomatter001: upgrade to Linux 2.6.30
18:23<nomatter001>chealer: how can i do that when using lenny?
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18:24<kop>I just upgraded a system to lenny from etch. Now something is writing to disk (perhaps mlocate?). (Not swap.) What's the best way to find out what process is using disk?
18:24<kop>nomatter001 : Perhaps
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18:24<ml|>nomatter001: don't use backported kernels so can't say, there is a section on custom kernels that might work, but that is not your issue anyways
18:25<kop>nomatter001 : See also make-kpkg.
18:25<nomatter001>ml|: i can't use the default lenny-kernel and have wireless running; and the debian wiki suggested using the backported kernel
18:25<ml|>nomatter001: how did you install that bpo kernel
18:25<nomatter001>ml|: like described here for lenny
18:27<ml|>nomatter001: and there is no newer jernel available from bpo
18:28<chealer>ml|: there is
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18:29<nomatter001>chealer: which version?
18:29<chealer>nomatter001: I just updated . you can follow it again
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18:29<chealer>nomatter001: 2.6.30
18:29<ml|>chealer: that should fix his issue correct?
18:29<chealer>ml|: yes
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18:31<chealer>nomatter001: did you get that command from the page or what?
18:32<nomatter001>chealer: yes there it is with .29 and now i tried it with .30 cause you told me it would be available
18:32<kop>Found it, by way of educated guessing. I've always been able to solve the who's doing what to disk question on that basis, but there must be a better way. ?
18:32<chealer>nomatter001: refresh the page, I updated the command
18:33<ml|>nomatter001: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g') firmware-iwlwifi wireless-tools
18:33<nomatter001>ml|: why .1 here?
18:33<ml|>ah, chealer had said it already
18:34<ml|>nomatter001: dunno, maybe cause there is no .2
18:34<nomatter001>ml|: so the .2 is part of the version? ^^
18:34<nomatter001>so now i should try m-a prepare?
18:35<ml|>nomatter001: yes
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18:36<msa>locklace: i tried your ideas, but still no luck
18:36<chealer>nomatter001: did you boot to the new image?
18:36<nomatter001>chealer: no i'll reboot now
18:37<nomatter001>cu soon
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18:44<And1>Hey folks, how can I look up which ram I am using? I want to know if it's DDR2 667 or 800.
18:44<dr|z3d>And1: Turn off box, open box, remove ram, check spec.
18:44<jrabbit>sounds right
18:45<jrabbit>I don't think the os would know unless its in dmesg or you have a bios related tool
18:45<And1>Isn't there someting in /proc or somesuch?
18:45<And1>Mh, ok.
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18:46<jrabbit>petemc: ah thats what I was thinking of
18:46<dr|z3d>The OS only knows what BIOS tells it.. not always accurate.
18:46<ml|>dmidecode should work
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18:46<And1>petemc: Thanks. :)
18:46<dr|z3d>dmidecode, then, And1, seems to be the consensus. Give it a spin!
18:47<ml|>but, not a bad idea to check hardware and bios
18:49<deniz>can somebody help me create a .deb file from source code please:
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18:49<And1>Does lenny support this graphics chipset "NVIDIA GeForce 9400"?
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18:53<chealer>And1: at least if you only need basic support (no 3D acceleration), yes
18:53<ml|>And1: i don't see it listed here ... but it does show 9500, so might work
18:53<deniz>And1, can't help you more, i don't use nvidia
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18:54<And1>chealer: Watching HD movies will work?
18:54<And1>ml|, deniz: Thanks, taking a look at these sites.
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18:55<dr|z3d>And1: HD movies may work, but you'll be taxing your cpu a lot more than if you had native drivers available.
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18:55<dr|z3d>*Native drivers that permit full access to the hardware, that is.
18:55<chealer>And1: yes
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18:57<And1>'Cause if not, it doesn't make much sense to buy this mainboard. :-x But games like openarena need 3D accelaration, I think?
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18:58<chealer>And1: yes
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18:59<ml|>usually onboard video sucks, best to buy a dedicated card
18:59<nomatter001>graphics driver works
18:59<And1>Are there newer drivers in testing maybe?
19:00<nomatter001>but i still have a problem that all fonts in programs like pidgin or firefox are very large
19:00<nomatter001>i mean all system fonts not the ones on webpages
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19:01<chealer>ml|: ...unless talking about laptops
19:01<ml|>chealer: yes, no options there
19:01<chealer>though I guess it would be unusual to talk about buying a laptop mainboard
19:03<ml|>And1: don't think testing, but experimental has the lastest i think
19:04<And1>Mh, but I think I don't want to use experimental on my desktop/work system. ;) I don't even want sid. :-x
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19:05<And1>That's an mini-ITX mainboard, there's no PCIe slot or something, so an extra graphics card wouldn't make much sense here. :/
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19:05<ml|>And1: do you have this sytem running?
19:06<drakeman>Hey good evening there is any way to modify or remove an option from the system in the main gnome panel? i have many option twice and i want to remove the duplicates.. i dont know why the options are duplicated...
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19:07<And1>ml|: No I'm thinking of buying that system. If 3D is the only thing which isn't supported, it's ok, but if there's also no proper support for HD movies, I also can stay with my old system.
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19:08<mod->what system is that?
19:08<ml|>maybe look for some info on similar system that people are using debian with
19:08<bja>dpkg: win drakeman
19:08<dpkg>Congratulations, drakeman! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island!
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19:09<ml|>before buying
19:09<chealer>And1: is it an nforce board?
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19:09<drakeman>bja, thanks :D:D:D
19:09<And1>mod-: This one:
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19:10<And1>ml|: Yeah, I'm also googling around atm. But I thought maybe someone here already uses that chipset. ;)
19:10<chealer>And1: experimental isn't a full suite, you couldn't "use experimental" even if you wanted. sometimes people pick some packages from experimental to mix them with they system, usually using testing as default release
19:11<And1>chealer: Ah I see. Sorry, my fault. I'm still kinda "newbie". :/
19:11<ml|>drakeman: there should be an option to delete the duplicate entries, maybe someone that uses gnome can help
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19:13<drakeman>ml|, i already foundit t hanks, it was duplicate becausd in installe thunar and it makes another shortcuts with the same name .. but it was so easy, just right click, thanks bja :d and sorry for ask that dumb question...
19:13<ml|>And1: of course, just a suggestion ;)
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19:13<vvas>And1: i would expect it to be supported, but check the release notes for nvidia's drivers to be sure
19:14<vvas>And1: by the way, not related to linux but there's another suggestion:
19:14<ml|>!win drakeman
19:14<dpkg>Congratulations, drakeman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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19:14<drakeman>:D::D, i always win prizes :D
19:14<vvas>essentially the same chipset, same form factor, but with a socket that accepts a Core 2
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19:15<eden>seek last good pv me
19:15<vvas>slightly cheaper too, of course slightly more expensive once you add the processor
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19:17<And1>vvas: Yeah, I'll take a look at the processor's prices. Maybe they aren't too expensive. But thanks for the link, didn't look for non-Atom Mainboards before.
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19:18<vvas>And1: no problem. by the way, i know about these two from the following two articles, maybe you'd like to take a look:
19:18<deniz>can somebody help me create a .deb file from source code please:
19:18<And1>Ah great, thanks again. =)
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19:21<ml|>And1: maybe one of these
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19:24<vvas>bah, you merkins and your newegg
19:24*vvas ducks
19:24<ml|> JetWay JNC81-LF AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Mini ITX AMD Motherboard - Retail Support 1080i, 1080p, HDCP, Blue-ray and Wi-Fi card
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19:31<linuxthinclient>hello everybody. My school has tons of older 1 ghz machines that I am trying to turn into thin clients. I have 4 server 2003 boxes I will be running terminal services on for the kids to work on, I was wondering if someone could point me to a good link on what I need to do to the client machines (linux wise) to get them to connect to the windows boxes. :) Thanks.
19:32<dpkg>Samba is a UNIX implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: ("Using Samba, 3rd Edition" not yet available online), Backported Samba 3.3.4 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <>. #samba on
19:32<drakeman>ml|, remember i talk to you yesterday i think about the gnome-screensaver adn you tell me to check the bts for maybe a bug, i was looking and maybe this is the bug --->
19:32<linuxthinclient>Sorry dr, I am not looking to move files, I just want to have a thin client, basically something that just connects to the windows terminal services (remote desktop)
19:33<linuxthinclient>and runs as though they have their own harddrive and files, but it is just an instance on the server.
19:33<dr|z3d>linuxthinclient: apt-cache rdp should see you alright ;)
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19:33<linuxthinclient>ok, thank you I will look into that.
19:34<bja>linuxthinclient: check also rdesktop, maybe that is what you are looking for
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19:35<drakeman>ml ----> this is the link from debian
19:35<linuxthinclient>oh, ok, thanks. :) I would love to find something that just boots right into the TS, so the kids don't even know it is a linux box. I will see if that is what I am looking for.
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19:36<bja>linuxthinclient: its all on the setup
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19:37<ml|>drakeman: but you never fully explained your issue
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19:42<DevNullnDull>if one were to backup the apt database, they would have to backup /var/lib/dpkg. Not really ? but more of a confirmation?
19:44<drakeman>ml|, nothing bit, it just that after that my latest aptitude upgrade my gnome screensaver doesnt work, you can put it to run in 1, 2 or any minutes and when the time is over, the screensaver never shows up.. but i see is a bug, i found the same issue in bts,
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19:44<drakeman>ml|, sorry, nothing big*
19:46<songer> I want to install mi pci wireless airplus xtreme g dwl-g520
19:46<ml|>drakeman: are you using testing?
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19:47<drakeman>ml|, yes, squeeze.
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19:50<Agrajag_>anyone here use vim quickfix mode with C?
19:51<adb>DevNullnDull: bad attitude to cross paste
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19:52<drakeman>ml|, Josselin Mouette say this ----> his means you don’t have gnome-session 2.26. Whatever your problem is, is it solved by upgrading gnome-session to the version in unstable?
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19:56<ml|>drakeman: you can try that if it's important to you or just wait for a fix
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19:58<linuxthinclient>Hello, I was told there is something going on with debian and schools? Any information on this?
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20:01<drakeman>ml|, for now i think i can wait. :D
20:01<drakeman>ml|, dont know how many time it takes usually but i can wait a few days.
20:04<ml|>drakeman: mean while you can use a keybinding with ... <--- should put monitor on standby
20:05<drakeman>ml|, ohh, awesome! thanks!!
20:05<ml|>save it then chmod +x and place it in /usr/local/bin/ or where you want
20:06<drakeman>ml|, yes, im doing it right now.
20:06<ml|>np lmk how it goes
20:06<drakeman>ml|, ok...
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20:07<drakeman>ml|, works excelent.
20:08<ml|>drakeman: might need to updatedb as root if it does not come up from terminal
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20:08<ml|>good :)
20:09<iareyez>whats up
20:10<drakeman>ml|, no, it runs fine, maybe another day i try to install the gnome-session from sid... but for a while this is perfect.
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20:11<ml|>might be fixed soon you never know
20:12<ml|>try upgrading before you install sid version, if you decide to do use sid version
20:12<drakeman>ml|, yes.. i can wait :D i guess xD
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20:16<drakeman>ml|, ok, for now im fine with my xD
20:18<ml|>glad you like it, is what i use with keybind, no screensaver here ;)
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20:19<ml|>i think screensavers are a waste of power
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20:23<drakeman>ml|, hehe, i like screensavers sometimes
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20:26<ml|>everyone has thier preferences ;)
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20:28<drakeman>ml|, thats right :D
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21:06<deniz>can somebody help me create a .deb file from source code please:
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21:14<craigevil>what is backintime?
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21:39<deniz>craigevil, data backup tool
21:39<deniz>craigevil, but id like to know how to make .debs for more than just that (backintime is in Squeeze)
21:40<craigevil>backport it
21:41<deniz>craigevil, it's not in backports, but like I said I would just like to know because I have many things I need out of repositories
21:41<craigevil>not get it from backports, backport it
21:41<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
21:41<jelloir>I need some help from someone who is a bit of a guru with networking if possible. I am running Debian Sid and have my ethernet and wireless adapters bonded together - When running Virtualbox (3.0) the guests lose network access if it fails over to wireless (or if I simply try and use the wireless). I tried asking the virtualbox forums but they did not respond.
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21:43<deniz>craigevil, ya but why must I rely on repositories? why can't you teach the way to make .debs out of source code :(
21:44<dpkg>A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) "www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
21:44<craigevil>deniz: ^ take a look at maint-guide you can install it
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21:48<ml|>deniz: why not just install to /usr/local/bin/ and not bother with .deb file, unless this for alot of systems or learning purposes
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21:49<deniz>ml|, i want what i install through source to be manageable with a packaging system
21:49<ml|>deniz: manage how?
21:50<deniz>ml|, like i can apt-get remove --purge it or whatever, i dont want to hunt each file if i want to remove it
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21:51<ml|>deniz: ok, but if you install to /usr/local/bin you know where stuff is, no?
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21:53<deniz>ml|, yes but when I upgrade to squeeze (when it is stable), wouldn't apt pick up the .deb installations and upgrade them to squeeze's version?
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21:54<bremner>deniz: sure, but only if someone made those debs
21:54<ml|>not if you are building it yourself, right
21:54<deniz>bremner, what's the difference?
21:55<deniz>ml|, ^
21:55<ml|>debian dev have to follow certian rules when building packages
21:56<ml|>that you are not doing, plus they are tested etc
21:57<bremner>deniz: read the new maintainers guide and see if you are still interested. I will be more efficient than trying to explain to you on IRC
21:57<ml|>deniz: plus your stable system is not really stable any more when you install stuff that did not come from stable
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21:59<JLandim>Algum brasileiro?
21:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:59<bremner>ml|: to be honest, I don't really see a stability problem with self-made packages versus /usr/local/local. It just seems like a different set of tradeoffs
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22:00<deniz>ml|, bremner, well if it's going to make it much harder, then forget the upgrading thing, but I still think it's more convenient to have .debs than to compile in a certain directory
22:00<ml|>bremner: well it could affect stability, but i meant more in a sense of name
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22:01<ml|>deniz: it's up to you just trying to make it easier on you
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22:01<bremner>deniz: you still have to read the documentation if you want to make debian packages
22:02<deniz>bremner, which part of the documentation
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22:03<ml|>deniz: is this the only app you think, you will do this with?
22:04<bremner>there is also checkinstall, which some people don't like, but is very easy
22:04<dpkg>it has been said that checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. | Not in etch because of bug #281823 Ask me about <stow>.
22:04<dpkg>it has been said that stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game. See the package "stow", or ask me about <stow usage>. Also ask me about <checkinstall>.
22:05<deniz>stow is a way to compile programs into directories you know?
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22:08<deniz>stow IS the ./configure make sudo make install way, right?
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22:09<ml|>!stow usage
22:09<dpkg>A quick intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See or ask me about <stow>, <checkinstall>
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22:12<deniz>ml|, thats a pretty nice summary
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22:18<Strider>Alrighty. I have a weird problem. I'm trying to use skype through a headset plugged directly into the sound card.
22:19<Strider>I have it working in sound recorder and to a certain extent in skype, but the "capture" volume control in alsamixer drops itself down to pretty much an inaudible level every time I try to use it in skype.
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22:19<Strider>I can't get much more than "hello" before I have to crank it back up again.
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22:23<deniz>ml|, bremner, so to install it's ---> /configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version
22:23<deniz> ?
22:24<bremner>deniz: it depends on the Makefile, and you should replace program-version with something sensible
22:25<bremner>but for most gnu autotools using packages, that should work fine
22:25<ml|>deniz: seems so, i have not used stow before and a bit of reading at stow site can't hurt ;)
22:26<deniz>ml|, lol i did read a little bit :$
22:26<deniz>bremner, so I don't change anything except i replace program-version with backintime-0.9.26 in this case?
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22:27<bremner>deniz: try it? I would do it one step at a time, without the &&. Also you probably need sudo somewhere
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22:35<bremner>deniz: was there a question there?
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22:36<deniz>bremner, o wait something's missing
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22:39<bremner>deniz: did you read README before you asked?
22:39<deniz>bremner, lol my mistake was i had to go deeper into the gnome directory
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22:41<deniz>bremner, additional problem:
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22:43<bremner>deniz: ask the authors of backintime
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22:46<SQlvpapir>I kinda want to think the new Iceweasel is faster now I spent the time making the packages ^^
22:47<craigevil>iceweasel 3.5 iIS faster than 3.0.11
22:47<craigevil>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090707 Iceweasel/3.5 (Debian-3.5-1)
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23:02<ml|>craigevil: and better memory management?
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23:02<craigevil>yes quite a bit better
23:03<ml|>nice, is it in sid already?
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23:03<craigevil>no i grabbed it from the devs blog
23:04<ml|>guess i'll wait a bit till it reaches testing, yes saw that thanks
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23:04<craigevil>Processes 104 Uptime 1 day Memory 228.2/493.5MB , thats in lxde, with mplayer streaming, lxterminal, evince, iceweasel with chatzilla and 4 tabs
23:05<ml|>yeah looks much better, so page loading is faster and/or overall as well?
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23:06<craigevil>faster and seems more stable havent had any issues
23:06<adb>ml|: try dillo for faster ...
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23:06<adb>fastest *
23:06<ml|>great thanks for the info craigevil
23:06<ml|>adb: no thanks
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23:07<hailiang>opera or iceweasel who better?
23:07<craigevil>ml|: has a howto install it on lenny most of the packages it installs are in testing
23:07<ml|>some say the same thing about midori
23:08<drakeman>hailiang, firefox for me :D
23:08<ml|>!slap adb
23:08*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across adb's face
23:08<drakeman>hailiang, so iceweasel is almost the same as firefox, so iceweasel over opera :D
23:08<jrabbit>iceweasel is jsut debranded firefox withotu security patches
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23:09<drakeman>but i still prefer firefox :D
23:09<jrabbit>same shit
23:09<drakeman>jrabbit, xD
23:09<craigevil>drakeman: i ran both firefox and iceweasel for a yr after debian changed the name never noticed any difference
23:10<drakeman>the iceaweasel 3.5 released yet?
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23:10<ml|>drakeman: read up a bit
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23:10<jrabbit>it didn't change the name it removed all of mozilla's trademarks
23:10<deniz>bremner, how do i use stow to remove something specifically?
23:10<drakeman>ml|, oh, ok , cause i like firefox 3.5.. little faster.
23:10<craigevil>drakeman: its in exp, but if your on sid you can install the needed packages from the devs blog
23:10<sney>not exactly off topic: my debian-based firewall computer was up for 542 DAYS before it started to freak out and make my connection bad
23:10<drakeman>craigevil, ok ok....
23:10<drakeman>ml|, xD
23:10<sney>it was time for a reboot.
23:11<ml|>sney: are you one of those uptime freaks? ;)
23:11<sney>no, but on the off chance someone noticed my frequent quits and joins over the past 12 hours, just a little story
23:12<sney>still, 542 days isn't half bad for a little pentium II that has to handle all of my varied net traffic
23:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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23:14<ml|>ah, and not accusing just asking and that does make sense tho most people /ignore parts quits joins, nice machine you got there
23:14<bremner>deniz: you read the man page? There is a section "Deleting Packages"
23:14<wrektjet>doesa anyone use adobe air? im trying to use it with jaunty and after installation the apps are unfindable
23:15<deniz>bremner,sudo stow -D backintime-0.9.26 seems to have worked when looking at the terminal screen but backintime-0.9.26 is still in my gnome menu
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23:15<ml|>wrektjet: using ubuntu?
23:15<wrektjet>yea 9.04
23:15<craigevil>!tell wrektjet about ubuntu
23:16<bremner>deniz: no idea about gnome, maybe it caches things. Try restarting your gnome session
23:16<deniz>bremner, i did that, i dint do a full reboot tho
23:16<craigevil>deniz: update-menus
23:16<wrektjet>oh how the heck diud i get in this room
23:16<wrektjet>lol sorry guys
23:16<ml|>a bug in xchat problably
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23:17<adb>ml|: no , they use tha same xchat as debian
23:18<adb>my guess ..
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23:18<craigevil>there has been a bug filed on launchpad forever, because xchat in *buntu opens here
23:18<sney>I thought by default xchat didn't open anything
23:19<ml|>adb: bug meaning that they need to fix that joining here instead of #unbuntu
23:19*adb like unbuntu command
23:19<ml|>it is after all in their repos
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23:24<co_pengusaha_muda>ada orang
23:24<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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23:26<hailiang>drakeman sorry phone call. opera for me .^_^
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23:32<hailiang>i like debian, but my network cannt use when my computer start . manually config /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/init.d/networking restart .my network can work.
23:33<hailiang>my english not good . sorry
23:35<ml|>adb: yeah i goofed on that one ;(
23:37<adb>don't worry, was fanny
23:38<hailiang>who can help my network question
23:39<ml|>adb: hah :)
23:40<ml|>hailiang: may need to wait a bit, if you don't get answer in a few hours try asking again
23:41<hailiang>ok .ml where are u from ?
23:43<adb>hailiang: do /j #debian-offtopic
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23:44<adb>dpkg: tell hailiang about de
23:45<Hideo>adb: he's from china actually
23:45<adb>ha !
23:46<Hideo>is there a debian chinese channel?
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23:46<dpkg>hmm... ch is Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: which lives in . See also on Freenode.
23:46<dpkg>it has been said that cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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23:51<hailiang>i from peking in china
23:51<ml|>hailiang: us here
23:52<hailiang>^_^ this channel very popularity
23:59<deniz>can anybody help me figure out the problem im having compiling my software from source with stow?:
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