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---Logopened Fri Jul 10 00:00:32 2009
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00:05<bremner>deniz: your Makefile is ignore prefix=
00:05<deniz>bremner, i dont understand what you just said
00:06<kenyon>deniz: look at the output. it's not installing in your desired prefix
00:06<bremner>deniz: for future reference, run make -n install prefix=blahblh first, make sure things are getting installed to the right place
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00:08<deniz>what does the -n parameter do?
00:08<deniz>bremner, ^
00:08<bremner>deniz, with all due respect, RTFM a litte
00:08<bremner>little even
00:09<ml|>deniz: man make
00:09*bremner is obviously too grumpy for this kinda thing, seeya :-)
00:09<deniz>bremner, ml| "Print the commands that would be executed, but do not execute
00:09<deniz> them.
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00:10<ml|>deniz: it means it will test it for you, but not actually do it for real like --dry-run
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00:13<deniz>brendan_, ml|, wait ok i get the the whole -n thing now but how do i make it install in my desired prefix? like why isn't it?
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00:30<ml|>deniz: why not try this like that guy suggested ...
00:30<deniz>ml|, lol ive tried that a long time ago but i think im on to something on his guide this time
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00:32<ml|>deniz: ok, i would help you some more but, i generally use just use debian packages and what guide?
00:33<deniz> but my goal is to not use repositories or debianized source code at all
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00:41<ml|>deniz: heh, that's the same link i pasted earlier, anyways gl
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01:03<drakeman>good night people! see you tomorrow guys!
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01:45<deniz>ml|, i didnt too much cuz my mom made chicken nuggets lol but i have a question if you dont mind
01:45<deniz>didn't accomplish*
01:45<ml|>heh, ?
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01:46<ml|>good nuggets huh?
01:47<deniz>ml|, lol well they're healthy and homemade not like fast food stuff
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01:48<deniz>ml|, but like can I ask you source-->.deb question
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01:50<ml|>deniz: we are all waiting
01:50<Lat>can I ask that ask the question?
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01:50<Lat>can I ask that you* ask the question?
01:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
01:54<deniz>lol k well on the guide "If you're really eager to compile and there is no Debian-ized source in Unstable or Testing, you can still build a DEB package by using dh-make" below that is where im following and:
01:55*bremner refused to discuss it until deniz reads the new maintainers guide :), which is essentially a dh_make tutorial
01:55<deniz>actually wait
01:55<deniz>bremner, what's the link again?
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01:56<bremner>, look at the bottom right of the page
01:56<deniz>ok ill look at that but i just wanted to say ignore the previous pastebin
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01:57<deniz>i did a stupidity there
01:57<ml|>deniz: to late everyone will go and see it now ;)
01:57<deniz>lol :(
01:58<ml|>delete quick befero we do :)
01:59<deniz>My new isssue is here: but im still trying to find where in the guide it explains how to use dh_make
02:00<deniz>bremner, in the table of contents which one is what tells you what to do with dh_make (the stuff that doesn't matter for making the packages update-able for reposiroties)
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02:01<deniz>like i have no idea what top level Makefile is
02:01<deniz>it sounds like the highest makefile up in the directory tree
02:02<deniz>like i just don't know what to do about anything
02:02<deniz>o lol i think i found it "building the package"
02:05<deniz>o man, i guess i really am stupid :(
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02:05<bremner>technically, when you don't know stuff, that is ignorance, not stupidity
02:06<bremner>ignorance is curable
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02:09<ml|>deniz: take your time and read read read ;)
02:10<deniz>ml|, 6.2 Quick rebuild ---> fakeroot debian/rules binary
02:10<deniz> that's all it says
02:12<ml|>deniz: start from vert begining
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02:13<ml|>this will take you some time, since it is your first time, once you understand it i suggest you make notes so you don't forget
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02:17<adb>ml|: i passed 24 h to make compile smh and now it `Segmentation fault`c. heh
02:18<adb>at start ..
02:19<ml|>weee :)
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02:23<adb>ml|: just for record
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02:25<deniz>ml|, i don't get the command under "2.4 Initial "debianization""
02:25<ml|>adb: for a family member? and not in debian i suppose
02:25<deniz>like im not a maintainer
02:26<adb>ml|: for ... funny
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02:27<adb>and yes not *yet* in debian
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02:27<ml|>adb: hah, thought so but you never know ;)
02:28<adb>was a hell to compile it ..
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02:30<ml|>deniz: i have never done any of that or read it, some parts you can omit, since you are not a debian dev, try it and that worse that can happen is that it doesn't work
02:31<ml|>adb: you should keep at it seems like a game worth waiting for ;)
02:31<deniz>ml|, well actually i can end up with a bunch of files in locations i don't know about, fortunately you taught me how to install with home partition mounted
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02:33<ml|>deniz: make a tmp dir and do it all inside there, that should be possible
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02:42<jm_>quality moron
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02:49<Fnyar>Has anyone else successfully used the amd64 netboot images for 5.0? I'm getting all sorts of dependency resolution problems after everything has been downloaded.
02:49<Fnyar>I've tried two different mirrors with the same behavior
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02:50<sney>netboot or netinst?
02:50<sney>I used an amd64 netinst image today with no issues.
02:51<Fnyar>netboot I guess...set up through PXE and TFTP
02:51<sney>yeah sorry can't help you there
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03:15<knoppix_>nick chepo
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04:05<hever>Hi what does the network>size and network>capacity in lshw mean? It lists 100MB/s and 1GB/s. I think I've a 100MBit/s card but I'm not sure.
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04:27<deniz>ml|, i just discovered there any reason why that wasn't suggested to me?
04:29<bremner>[11:04] <bremner> there is also checkinstall, which some people don't like, but is very easy
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04:30<deniz>bremner, lol i completely missed that, well i've had two issues one with backintime it made a non functional deb and with transmission (for testing purposes) it's stuck at checking for openssl even though I alredy have it installed
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04:32<deniz>bremner, oh i got it working this time with the .deb! however id like to know out of curiosity and for the purpose of learning why the error is happening with transmission even though I do not plan on using it and have it available in the repositories
04:33<deniz>bremner, i installed backintime .deb (not from repositories) it normal that dpkg -l backintime does not list the application?
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04:38<bremner>deniz: how do you mean stuck? the build crashes? or hanging?
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04:55<ml|>looks like deniz might had made some progress
04:56<locklace>first time for everything
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05:22<vvas>bah, my internet connection is crapping out on me
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05:32<hever>How can I get informations about the default ext3 journaling mode? It's not listed with tune2fs -l /dev isn't it ?
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05:34<jm_>journal mode is a mount option
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05:35<hever>yes but I read the default is to use the one specified by the device. And you can set it using tune2fs.
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05:39<jm_>tune2fs shows it if it's set
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05:40<Shoot>apt-get install ext-journaling hever
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06:27<paveq>whats up with debian volatile lately, no updates since feb-2009?
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06:31<paveq>did they stop supporting etch yet
06:31<Jaleks>ist there any possibility to use vim as a pager? (background: searching for a pager with nice syntax highlight)
06:32<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Jaleks -about colored pager
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06:32<Jaleks>gsimmons: thank you
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06:35<arf`>I get a strange behaviour here, and can't find absolutely nothing about it on the web : on lenny, in gnome, when I hit any of "ctrl+alt+Fx" with iceweasel launched, It makes X restarting. When iceweasel isn't running, it's just like it have to do (going to ttyX)
06:36<arf`>I disabled every plugins in iceweasel, with no results
06:36<jm_>arf`: did you check ~/.xsession-errors?
06:36<arf`>… I will
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06:45<arf`>well, the .xsession-errors didn't help, but erasing the ~/.mozilla fixed the situation…
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06:50<hailiang>how to work HDAPS
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06:55<nuscire>Hi, guys. I add some new fonts to the X system, and I can temporarily make X notice them with 'xset +fp'. Now, I want to make them permanetly available. By googling, I'm told to modity the session 'FontPath' in the file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'. But my xorg.conf is too simple to find that session. I think there must be some reason. Any hints? Thanks.
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06:57<jm_>nuscire: add it by hand
06:58<nuscire>jm_: to where?
06:58<jm_>nuscire: section files
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07:00<nuscire>jm_: but there's no such session in my xorg.conf. you mean, I add the session?
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07:00<jm_>nuscire: sure, add it all
07:01<nuscire>jm_: well, okay. I try it out. thank you.
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07:01<jm_>nuscire: Section "files"<nl>FontPath "/bla"<nl>EndSection
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07:02<nuscire>jm_: hmm, get it.
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07:06<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:06<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:40<raoul>what happened to apache1.3 in lenny?
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07:43<gsimmons>raoul: It was removed from Debian to resolve bug #418266.
07:44<stew>!dbugs 418266
07:44<dpkg>DONE:#418266:N[] RM: apache -- RoM; obsolete; superseded by apache2 (); Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:57:01 UTC []
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07:44<raoul>obsolete? wtf
07:45<raoul>!dbugs 418266
07:45<dpkg>DONE:#418266:N[] RM: apache -- RoM; obsolete; superseded by apache2 (); Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:57:01 UTC []
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07:59<tofix>hi all , i'm having trouble with xen, i have a bond0 with active-backup on two eth that works fine, they are bridged with my VMs and their vif, i can pause the virtual but each time i try to restart or shut a VM the xend stall .... and idea ?
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08:11<AbsintheSyringe>what's the most simple video editor in which I can rotate my video?
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08:17<AbsintheSyringe>duh, I can do this with avidemux :)
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08:20<cmot>Can I limit the mem usage of the cups rasteriser processes?
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08:21<cmot>Sometimes the cups rasterizer runs amok and kills the server, I'd like to limit it to a few 100M so this can't happen.
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08:21<cmot>limits.conf doesn't apply as apparently the user change (from root to lp) doesn't go through pam :-(
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08:31<jm_>cmot: you can set limits in cups init script
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08:34<ans-tor>anyone know how can I view the license for specific project in sourceforge?
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08:45<cmot>jm_, I've used "ulimit -c 0 -d 1048576 -m 1048576 -s 1048576 -u 10 -e 5" right before start-stop-daemon
08:45<cmot>but the pstops is still started at nice level 0 :-(
08:46<jm_>nice level is set with renice
08:46<jm_>and you can pass --nicelevel to start-stop-daemon
08:46<jm_>not sure if this is inherited
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08:47<vvas>i would think so
08:48<vvas>otherwise, if you ran "nice make", but all the subprocesses of make weren't nice, what would be the point?
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08:50<jm_>man pages ar enot explicit on it, although on solaris it's confirmed it does inherit it
08:54<sarc_4>does linux have a "shell" command?
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08:57<koollman>sarc_3: what would be the effect of that command ? (I suppose the closest equivalent would be /bin/sh, or perhaps $SHELL, that launches the standard shell)
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08:58<sarc_3>im reading a Makefile and they are using "shell ls /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/biuld"
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09:00<sarc_3>that's the context
09:01<sarc_3>so what would that return?
09:01<sarc_3>Debian shows command not found of course
09:01<koollman>I'm not sure what it's supposed to do.
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09:02<koollman>what's around it ? what does it does after, and before that ?
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09:03<sarc_3>ifeq ($(shell ls /lib/modules/$(KVER)/build > /dev/null 2>&1 && echo build),)
09:04<sarc_3>ill pastebin
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09:04<jm_>make should set SHELL variable
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09:05<jm_>makefile even
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09:06<sarc_3>line 11
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09:13<JohnGH>What syntax to I need to merge my local changes with the repository using git?
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09:16<jm_>git push
09:16<jm_>better verify it with everyday git or some other git document
09:16*drakeman says good morning to everyone
09:16<gsimmons>sarc_3: It sounds like you just don't have the linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 package installed.
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09:30<igsen>I'm planning to install debian lenny with xfce as windows manager. Recommendations on how can I do this?
09:31<gsimmons>dpkg: tell igsen -about install xfce
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09:43<asaleem>can I launch a gui application such as gaim or skype from cron?
09:43<asaleem>I tried to but it did not work
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09:44<igsen>Any known website for installation instruction of debian lenny with xfce as windows manager?
09:44<bremner>asaleem: can you explain what you are trying to do?
09:45<asaleem>bremner, I want to run gaim and skype in the morning when I start work. I tried to run them from cron but did not seem to work
09:46<asaleem>bremner, and kill them in the evening
09:46<gsimmons>igsen: Please see the private message from dpkg. The same information is also on
09:46<bremner>asaleem: do you log in to your computer in the morning? running from cron will be tricky
09:46<asaleem>bremner, no, I leave it on
09:46<bremner>asaleem: so why not leave gaim and skype on?
09:46<asaleem>bremner, because I need to access it at times
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09:47<asaleem>bremner, so people dont send me messages when I am not at computer
09:47<bremner>you know you can set your status and so forth?
09:47<igsen>gsimmons, ok get that.Thanks!
09:47<asaleem>bremner, I know I can change the status. But I wanted to automate it
09:48<asaleem>bremner, Can I change the status from cron
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09:49<bremner>asaleem: it is a pretty specialized request. Maybe ask in the channel/forum of pidgin/skype
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09:50<asaleem>bremner, why would they not launch from cron?
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09:50<bremner>asaleem: they need to connect to the X server, so they need a DISPLAY variable, and some authentication cookie
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09:51<asaleem>bremner, ok, thanks
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09:53<pikkip>asaleem: maybe it's easier to use dbus to set the status to online/offline instead of starting/killing the app
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09:54<bremner>good idea, but skype is propitevil, will it grok dbus?
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09:57<pikkip>seems like there is some dbus support in skype, but I never tried skype at all, so I don't know
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10:03<shiznatix>Is there a pastebin for images? I have a video card/driver/whatever problem and the best way for me to show it is with this picture i took of my monitor
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10:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
10:04<bremner>shiznatix: ^^
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10:07<shiznatix>Ok. I have dual monitors with the proprietary drivers (I believe) with an nvidea card. Recently I started getting these really annoying lines on my monitor that appear randomly but go away when you refresh that area of the screen but come back quite quickly. An example can be found here: and lspci output is here:
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10:11<spdf>Mornin' everybody. I'm trying to setup exim so that any address that does not exist on the system gets delivered to a default account. Could someone point me in the right direction?
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10:31<bja>Is there a standalone program to set the background image on a desktop?
10:31<hever>Hej. I'm a bit confused in a old lvm and mdX soft raid setup I did. Where must I set an partition active/bootable ?
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10:32<locklace>bja: yes
10:32<craigevil>bja: feh
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10:32<sarc_3>i have a Makefile that is looking for the directory /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build which does not exist
10:32<bja>locklace: thx, i guessed it
10:33<bja>craigevil: thx, i'll try it
10:33<sarc_3>is this an error in the Makefile?
10:33<hever>I know my /boot partition is not in the lvm. It's on md0 but must I set md0 active? and where can I do this ?
10:34<gsimmons>spdf: A catch-all? See (note the last line).
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10:50<sarc_3>i am not happy with Broadcom right now
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10:51<vvas>sarc_3: no, it doesn't sound like an error in the makefile
10:52<vvas>sarc_3: it sounds like you haven't install the appropriate linux-{headers,kbuild} packages for your linux-image (i think i mentioned this to you at some point)
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10:58<sarc_3>vvas i realized as soon as i asked the question what i had done, sorry
10:58<sarc_3>you are correct
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11:24<mihkel>Hi, I have occasional lines in kern.log
11:24<mihkel>compiz.real[3248]: segfault at b790e404 ip b794aed1 sp bfff7ac0 error 4 in[b790f000+b4000]
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11:24<mihkel>but I don't even run compiz
11:24<mihkel>Debian sid and gnome
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11:28<locklace>it's being run somehow, clearly
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12:00<Chrono>Hey guys, im using Squeeze AMD64. When i try to SVN the Emesene Trunk, it dont works
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12:02<Chrono>it tell that i cant conect to the server.
12:02<Chrono>but i can conect the server by Iceweasel
12:02<koollman>Chrono: are there any specific settings in iceweasel, like proxy servers ?
12:03<locklace>!dbugs 531338
12:03<dpkg>DONE:#531338:N[subversion] svn: OPTIONS of 'http://...': could not connect to server (http://...) (); Sun, 31 May 2009 17:27:01 UTC []
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12:12<Chrono>Thank You, its solved
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12:20<raphi>tengo una laptop hp compaq con debian, y no se como configurarle pa conectarme wifi
12:20<nadie>hi! I'm running testing amd64 and having trouble when inserting usb drives or something similar. Gnome does not mount them automaticaly but i see Nautilus shows'em by label name and it doesn't allow to mount'em. Automounting works fine for the ones i've got in my fstab. I'm going crazy wondering if it's a bug or just a mistake of my configuration on dbus/hal/etc... Any sugestions?? Thanks in advance.
12:20<raphi>tengo una laptop hp compaq con debian, y no se como configurarle pa conectarme wifi
12:21<sarc_3>no hablo espanol aqui
12:22<raphi>alquien habla español??
12:22<bja>raphi: por enecima vez, /j #debian-es no /j #debian-ar
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12:22<raphi>que bja
12:23<sarc_3>usted necesita para cambiar a un canal de habla español
12:23<raphi>puedo preguntar donde yo quiera
12:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:24<raphi>si son gallos
12:24<bja>raphi: conectate por favor
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12:24<raphi>toy conectado
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12:26<raphi>tengo una laptop hp compaq con debian, y no se como configurarle pa conectarme wifi
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12:29<raphi>tengo una laptop hp compaq con debian, y no se como configurarle pa conectarme wifi quien me ayuda
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12:29<locklace>!slap raphi
12:29*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across raphi's face
12:30<sarc_3>raphi: usted necesita para cambiar a un canal de habla espanol.. #debian-es
12:31<bja>locklace: raphi is now in good hands
12:31<locklace>the hand of dpkg was pretty good
12:31<bja>sarc_3: "usted se necesita cambial al canal de habla hispana ... #debian-es" sounds better
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12:32<sarc_3>i had so many semesters of spanish...
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12:33<nadie>""necesita cambiar a un canal de habla española" sounds better. I'm spanish :)
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12:33<stuckey>How do I view a postsctip file?
12:33<bja>or whatever you use for pdf
12:34<sarc_3>nadie: thanks
12:34<stuckey>bja: the file is just blank when I open it with evince, or gv.
12:35<stuckey> PostScript document text conforming DSC level 3.0
12:35<stuckey>That's what it says the file is
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12:35<gal_bolle>where is dpkg's source (as in dpkg, the irc bot)?
12:37<bja>stuckey: open it with your favorite text editor to see what it is inside
12:37<bja>gal_bolle: infobot on sourceforge
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12:38<stuckey>bja: %!PS-Adobe-3.0
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12:38<gal_bolle>is dpkg a vanilla infobot?
12:38<stuckey>That's the first line... it's just a bunch of code like that
12:38<bja>there is a branch on the svn tree with all the modifications of dpkg
12:39<gal_bolle>which svn tree?
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12:39<adb>dpkg: tell gal_bolle about infobot
12:40<bja>gal_bolle: entry point to the svn repository
12:42<gal_bolle>thanks, the redirection ping pong between infobot and blootbot got me confused
12:43<bja>gal_bolle: as i see, dpkg was born blootbot, but since the merger, it got a special branch on the svn tree
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12:43<O__O>I AM A SEX GUY; WHO WANTS FUCK ME? yeah, sex guy... yeah, fuck fuck...
12:43<O__O>I AM A SEX GUY; WHO WANTS FUCK ME? yeah, sex guy... yeah, fuck fuck...
12:43<O__O>I AM A SEX GUY; WHO WANTS FUCK ME? yeah, sex guy... yeah, fuck fuck...
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12:44<Web-sidux632>hello peeps,question how to open a file manager with admin rights?
12:44<Tekno_>in Gnome ?
12:45<Tekno_>well, I use to press "alt+f2" and then "kdesu dolphin"
12:46<Web-sidux632>ty perfect
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12:46<Tekno_>np :)
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12:47<UnnamedFlooder>UnnamedFlooder obluda babilen erdnagel Web-sidux632 erwan Lin grochap stuckey magentar firefox raphi DPic nadie Jids craigevil marfx000 Lethalman_ pulsewave Holborn Nehyx madrescher simonrvn foxes brendan_ Buglouse loudergood andersos externaldrive QPrime linac davyg Zviper mihkel tjol neet linuxthinclient jegc cahoot kfe faw MrNaz drakeman_ Chaos`Eternal chealer Spami|Thug deepsa bja fregl_ erin kutio spdf Gekz Gathond numayeah rC
12:47<UnnamedFlooder>UnnamedFlooder obluda babilen erdnagel Web-sidux632 erwan Lin grochap stuckey magentar firefox raphi DPic nadie Jids craigevil marfx000 Lethalman_ pulsewave Holborn Nehyx madrescher simonrvn foxes brendan_ Buglouse loudergood andersos externaldrive QPrime linac davyg Zviper mihkel tjol neet linuxthinclient jegc cahoot kfe faw MrNaz drakeman_ Chaos`Eternal chealer Spami|Thug deepsa bja fregl_ erin kutio spdf Gekz Gathond numayeah rC
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12:47<DPic>UnnamedFlooder, whyyyyy
12:47<UnnamedFlooder>UnnamedFlooder obluda babilen erdnagel Web-sidux632 erwan Lin grochap stuckey magentar firefox raphi DPic nadie Jids craigevil marfx000 Lethalman_ pulsewave Holborn Nehyx madrescher simonrvn foxes brendan_ Buglouse loudergood andersos externaldrive QPrime linac davyg Zviper mihkel tjol neet linuxthinclient jegc cahoot kfe faw MrNaz drakeman_ Chaos`Eternal chealer Spami|Thug deepsa bja fregl_ erin kutio spdf Gekz Gathond numayeah rC
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12:48<Jids>DPic: because he's an idiot that wants attention
12:48<drakeman_>thanks stevecotton
12:48<drakeman_>thnaks stew
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12:48<Jids>ty stew
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12:49<pulsewave>what was the point of that? Look everybody i can make you look!
12:49<Web-sidux632>anyone know how well the fglx drivers work for 4850 hdradeon?
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12:52<firefox>Web-sidux632, could always try glxgears with both setups? other than that I dunno
12:52<Lin>is there any fun in doing that?
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12:52<Woet>how would I find out whether an installation of Debian is 32 or 64 bit?
12:52<firefox>Lin, "I am an awesome script kiddy"
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12:53<sney>Woet: uname -a should show you
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12:53<Woet>i checked that
12:53<Woet>i686 == 32 bit?
12:53<Woet>Jul 10 11:49:50 seal kernel: [ 270.732768] warning: `ntpd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)
12:53<Woet>then why would that show up?
12:53<sney>warnings show up all the time
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12:54<Woet>well, it makes me think the system is 64 bit?
12:54<sney>it's probably some workaround that the coder or the package maintainer had to do to get it to build
12:54<Woet>i know it's not fatal
12:54<Woet>hmm, thanks
12:54<sney>if it's not causing problems or spamming your screen, it's safe to ignore
12:54<Woet>I know
12:54<Woet>but i'm having another problem and trying to find the cause
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12:58<david-e_>I've installed 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 on a macbook to see if I can get wifi working with the ath9k module: I loaded it via modprobe but don't know which device I should refer to: there's no /dev/{ath0,wlan0}
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12:58<Web-sidux632>firefox: i dont really want todo that Yet:)
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12:59<firefox>nub time. I keep getting ".svn/lock': Permission denied" when trying to do anything svn. even after reboot. just stoped working. Is it auth issues?
13:00<Web-sidux632>no ati fans?
13:00<firefox>Web-sidux632, I love ati. I figured you were just feeling out for some one who has already tested haha.. I'd hate to use that method to.
13:01<CraigGB>hi, i was wondering if someone could link me to a debian testing sources.list, the basic one that should be there, i can't find one and i don't have anything in mine, much appreciated if any one does :)
13:02<adb>Web-sidux632: ask #sidux
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13:05<sarc_3>i compiled the Broadcom NetXtreme II 5716 driver into the 2.6.26 Debian kernel and installed the bnx2-firmware package, but ifconfig still returns "Device not found"
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13:05<Web-sidux632>adb: ty
13:05<Web-sidux632>firefox: ty
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13:06<chealer>CraigGB: there's no "basic one that should be there". APT unfortunately still basically relies on a single/a few mirrors, which have to be mentioned in sources.list.
13:06<sarc_3>the bnx2 driver is present in /lib/modulues/2.6.26-amd64/kernel/drivers/net
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13:07<chealer>sarc_3: as stew or azeem determined yesterday, 2.6.26's bnx2 doesn't support bnx 5716
13:07<sarc_3>yeah, but i compiled the source code from Broadcom's website
13:07<sarc_3>that wont work?
13:08<chealer>sarc_3: oh, do you mean you compiled the driver from ...
13:08<sarc_3>yeah, im really trying to avoid a backport
13:08<chealer>sarc_3: why?
13:08<sarc_3>because they are "unofficial"
13:09<sarc_3>or "semi-official" as the wiki page states
13:09<sarc_3>i just want 2.6.26 kernel with this driver
13:09<sney>whereas anything you get directly from broadcom is probably "totally not official, and possibly broken"
13:09<sarc_3>nothing more
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13:09<CraigGB>chealer: thanks, okay so where would i find the mirrors i need to list in sources.list, im sorry, i've come from gentoo and never used debian before and tbh it totally confuses me :P
13:09<chealer>sarc_3: the driver on broadcom's website is entirely Debian-"unofficial". it's not supported here.
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13:10<ml|>i would just use bpo, wasn't that working for you?
13:11<craigevil>!tell CraigGB about mirrors
13:11<chealer>sarc_3: note that broadcom's driver is somewhat contradictory about whether it supports 5716
13:11<sarc_3>their src says that it has been tested for 2.6.x
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13:11<sarc_3>it installed just fine
13:11<sarc_3>and compiled
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13:12<sarc_3>it ultimately wasnt my decision not to go with bpo, my hand is being forced here
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13:13<CraigGB>craigevil: thanks :)
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13:13<chealer>CraigGB: it's strange that you have an empty sources.list, but if that's the case, you only need a security mirror and a "general" mirror. craigevil sent you information about the general mirror. you can consult /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list for an example for stable
13:15<chealer>sarc_3: maybe, but if it's unusable on your machine, Debian still doesn't support it.
13:15<ml|>dpkg: tell CraigGB about sources.list
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13:16<sarc_3>i could be missing something simple
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13:17<sarc_3>lspci shows both eth0 and eth1 as being present
13:17<sarc_3>as Broadcom NetXtreme II
13:18<sarc_3>im no linux guru so the fact that ifconfig returns device not found doesnt mean it's necessarily the driver
13:18<sarc_3>but i seemed to step through the advice you guys gave me preiously
13:18<sarc_3>*to have
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13:19<chealer>sarc_3: how does lspci show that?
13:20<sarc_3>01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 20)
13:20<sarc_3>same for 01:00.0
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13:22<sarc_3>is that what you were asking?
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13:23<loudergood>that doesn't tell you if the driver is loaded properly
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13:24<sarc_3>modprobe didnt complain when i loaded bnx2
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13:25<sarc_3>any other way to test?
13:26<loudergood>does a bare ifconfig give you anything at all?
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13:26<sarc_3>just lo
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13:26<chealer>sarc_3: I don't see any reference to eth0 or eth1 there
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13:27<sarc_3>me either
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13:28<sarc_3>im just trying to step through what you guys had me test before
13:28<sarc_3>i had this same issue with the bpo initially and someone gave me some advice that fixed it
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13:30<sarc_3>would modprobe complain if there was an issue with the bnx2 driver?
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13:31<sney>does the output of modinfo bnx2 look normal to you?
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13:32<sarc_3>the filename, firmware, version, license, description, etc are all correct
13:32<chealer>sarc_3: depends on the issue
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13:34<sarc_3>stupid broadcom wants me to contact Dell for support... yeah right
13:34<locklace>that's like contacting dick cheney for sympathy
13:34<sarc_3>Dell knows less about Debian than I do
13:35<sarc_3>what a joke
13:35<bja>sarc_3: You are so right
13:35<sarc_3>Dell really only supports RedHat and SuSe
13:36<loudergood>does lspci -v tell you that the right driver is loaded for those interfaces?
13:36<sarc_3>and im sure that support sucks
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13:37<sarc_3>shift+pageup isnt letting me scroll up
13:37<sarc_3>how do i scroll?
13:38<dkr>in what application?
13:38<loudergood>you could try lspci -v | less
13:39<dkr>sarc_3: shift-pageup is how, but if you switch away from console and come back to it, you lose scrollback buffer
13:39<sarc_3>ok, less worked
13:40<sarc_3>i dont see a line with the driver...
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13:40<loudergood>do you see that line on other devices?
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13:42<sarc_3>yes... :(
13:42<adb>sarc_3: grep vga= /boot/grub/menu.lst , get output ?
13:42<sarc_3>there is a "kernel driver in use" and a "kernel modules" line for others but not the broadcom xtreme II listings
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13:44<sarc_3>## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
13:45<sarc_3>just that line
13:45<adb>none as ? kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 ... *vga=791*
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13:48<adb>for console works , add vga=791 at the end off kernel line
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13:48<CraigGB>thanks everyone for your help, i think i got a working sources.list now :)
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13:49<sarc_3>so should i just go attack broadcom?
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13:49<sarc_3>i appreciate your guys help
13:49<sarc_3>ive learned so much
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13:56<sney>I almost want to get one of those stupid broadcom NICs so I can become an expert in it
13:57<loudergood>I'd rather have a bonfire with them
13:57<sarc_3>haha, please invite me to the bonfire
13:57<sarc_3>ill bring a few
13:57<loudergood>my girlfriends laptop has broadcom wireless and the driver is bad enough in windows
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14:01<sarc_3>im gonna try to talk to someone at broadcom, maybe give them an ear-full
14:01<sarc_3>or convince the powers that be to use bpo
14:02<sney>at least they actually try to offer linux support now
14:02<sney>you used to have to use ndiswrapper
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14:03<cahoot>my bcm works better than my iwl3945
14:03<cahoot>(using b43)
14:05<sarc_3>gonna email the author, if he still exists
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14:11<sarc_3>is Debian the most stable versio of linux?
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14:12<dr|z3d>sarc_3: That's really a pretty meaningless question.
14:12<sarc_3>hahaha.. i knew it
14:12<dkr>sarc_3: it's pretty subjective, but debian stable is certainly a good choice for servers
14:12<dr|z3d>Is chocolate the best confection?
14:12<sarc_3>dkr: that is a very suitable answer
14:13<sarc_3>i should have reworded that one
14:13<ml|>!start a distro war
14:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'.
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14:14<sarc_3>from the development ive done it seems extremely stable for server
14:15<dr|z3d>Debian is only as stable as the system administrator's expectations of stable.
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14:15<dr|z3d>If you're running Debian as a server, you're unlikely to install user-level apps that have a tendency to destabilize.
14:15<koollman>actually ... most distributions are only as stable as the system administrator ;)
14:15<dkr>aside from the volatile repo. :)
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14:16<dpkg>hmm... admin is like a omnipresent god, or, or and the guy you should always blame for problems with your computer
14:17<sarc_3>ok, well im off to work with broadcom via Dell
14:17<sarc_3>say a prayer for me
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14:18<sarc_3>thanks again
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14:22<Tuplad>I've got a built in card reader for flash cards, I've plugged a flash card in but how do I access it ?
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14:22<cahoot>no hint from dmesg?
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14:24<Tuplad>cahoot: skills dont reach that far yet :p
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14:28<Tuplad>cahoot: and lsusb: Bus 001 Device 011: ID 058f:6362 Alcor Micro Corp. Hi-Speed 21-in-1 Flash Card Reader/Writer (Internal/External)
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14:29<chealer>21-in-1? wow
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14:30<Tuplad>chealer: praise the lord :D
14:30<mike>hey hi everyone
14:30*snubby feels a noob with irssi is around
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14:30<Tuplad>so like, any ideas on how to mount it ? 8-)
14:31<cahoot>Tuplad: I can't see any sign of recognition of the card in the paste
14:31<mike>anyone good with samba here ?
14:31<Tuplad>cahoot: hmm
14:31<snubby>define "good"
14:31<Tuplad>cahoot: let me try again
14:32<mike>good as in make it work and possibly troubleshoot from afar
14:32<snubby>many people here then i pressume, including my humble self
14:33<mike>snubby nice, do you know if the latest version is bugged or something?
14:33<chealer>Tuplad: what does Internal/External mean? it doesn't know if the reader is internal or external?
14:33<mike>got this mount error 6 which seems to be troubling a lot of people/newbies
14:33<Tuplad>chealer: it's built in in my computer afaik
14:34<Tuplad>chealer: I've got openings in the front where I can just stick the card in
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14:34<Tuplad>chealer: there also an usb slot on the thing for an external card reader I guess :]
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14:34<chealer>Tuplad: OK. what specific type of flash card are you trying to use?
14:34<Tuplad>chealer: I was never able to mount it, people were telling me about giving myself rights for something
14:34<Tuplad>chealer: SD
14:34<chealer>Tuplad: you mean a USB port?
14:34<Tuplad>chealer: yes
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14:35<linuxthinclient>I know this might not get the best responses, but does anybody know of a good irc room where I could ask about active directory?
14:35<k1lumin4t1>hi there
14:35<luna>tem alguém aii?
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14:36<k1lumin4t1>I have a virtualbox debian lenny guest running on a debian squeeze host. The guest doesn't have X, just TTYs. But I can't get it to maximize to the whole wide of the screen when I Ctrl+F the screen
14:37<luna>td beim?
14:37<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:37<Tuplad>oh well, just gonna boot to windows
14:38<luna>how are you?
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14:40<mike>snubby are you there ?
14:41<mike>hey I need help for a lenny/virtualbox/samba trouble ? anyone wants to try ?
14:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:42<mike>I try to smbmount a network drive and get the mount error 6...
14:43<mike>I can ping the server ...
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14:44<petemc>mike: do you have smbfs installed?
14:44<chealer>sarc_3: I don't see why you'd attack Broadcom
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14:44<mike>petemc yes
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14:45<mike>seems like the lastest version has lots of people with this bug
14:45<mike>my debian is running on a XP host/virtual box
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14:49<mike>mount error 6 = No such device or address
14:50<mike>anyone knows samba ?
14:51<petemc>whats the exact mount command you're using?
14:52<mike>smbmount //2kpro01/temp /mnt/share -o user=mhebert
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14:53<petemc>i always use mount -t cifs
14:53<petemc>anything in syslog or messages?
14:53<mike>I'm totaly newb so tell how to check that pls !
14:54<petemc>tail /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages
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14:56<mike>nothing at all, the files don't even exist..
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14:57<petemc>if you're running debian, i would find that hard to believe
14:57<mike>tell me, changes in smb.conf take place when you reboot ?
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14:57<petemc>no, you just need to restart samba
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14:59<mike>ok but I don't see them files, I'm in root as root and nothing named syslog or messages in /var/log
14:59<petemc>how did you install debian
15:00<mike>my debian is very light install from netinst cd
15:00<mike>no desktop
15:00<mike>just gcc and rhide
15:00<mike>samba of course
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15:04<dwendt>*sigh* well, my squeeze laptop's ethernet stopped working - all it feels like connnecting to is
15:04<dwendt>localhost and the router.
15:05<mike>petemc I didn't install the server nor the client
15:05<mike>just the package for mount drives, can't remember the name
15:05<dr|z3d>mnt ?
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15:06<dwendt>anyone else having problems with the BCM5784M on squeeze?
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15:08<locklace>dwendt: uh, if it can "connect" to the router then it can connect to everywhere
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15:08<dwendt>Well it's not... I can access the router's setup page, but I can't get it to connect to anything on the general public internet
15:09<locklace>dwendt: that has nothing to do with your nic driver
15:09<locklace>dwendt: if you can connect to/ping your router over the lan then obviously your nic and driver are working
15:10<mike>the dns address is ok ?
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15:10<locklace>dwendt: check your routing table. "ip route show" or "netstat -rn"
15:11<locklace>dwendt: try to ping a good ip address on the net, like
15:11<dwendt>Destination host unreachable.
15:11<niraldo>hi people i'm from brazil, linux noob yeat, i gonna install the debian on my pc at home, but there a i don't have internet connection, then a need to download the lenny today, but i don't know which to download, inside the page have a several link's to down the iso cd, i have to download all?
15:11<locklace>dwendt: so your routing is hosed.
15:12<dwendt>Also, my routing tables only have entries for, and
15:12<dwendt>thought as much
15:12<valdyn>niraldo: just the first
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15:13<valdyn>niraldo: probably the first dvd if you can and dont have net at home
15:13<locklace>dwendt: the last one ( is the default route. it should be via your router address. assuming that's fine, you need to start looking at your router.
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15:14<dwendt>yes, that one's connected to my router.
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15:19<mike>in smb.conf is it better to bind an interface ?
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15:24<mike>anyone wants to help me with samba troubles ?
15:24<dwendt>Well I think I fixed the problem.
15:25<dwendt>The default route was going through interface 'peth0' instead of 'eth0'
15:25<niraldo>valdyn: tank's
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15:28<Bunnyh>mike, your problem is with the smbmount command? have you tried using \\2kpro01\temp instead of //2kpro01/temp ? I haven't used smbmount, but at least smbclient requires you to use the backward slash
15:28<Bunnyh>And you might have to try \\\\2kpro01\\temp, because the backslash has to be escaped (and the escape character is also blackslash)
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15:31<mike>Bunnyh ok I'll try that now
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15:33<mike>Bunnyh no sorry doesn't change anything, I still get the mount error 6
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15:34<Bunnyh>have you tried using the server's ip address instead of the name?
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15:34<mike>WINS proxy is disabled on the network
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15:34<mike>yes that too didn't work
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15:35<mike>I'm running leeny on a virtualbox
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15:41<Bunnyh>just tried it myself, and I seem to be getting the error code 6 with unexisting share names
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15:44<mike>Bunnyh I've read that maybe the last version has that bug for lots of people
15:45<mike>don't know if getting an older version could solve my problem, I just want to make it work..
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15:47<mike>people were getting that error after updating
15:48<petemc>have your log files appeared yet?
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15:48<Bunnyh>are you sure your kernel supports the filesystem? I have disabled it in my kernel, but it seems that smbmount cannot give a decent complaint about that
15:49<Bunnyh>instead it gives error code 5 and io errors, would be very informatic if I didn't know why it doesn't work for me now
15:49<mike>how do you enable that ?
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15:49<mike>ntfs filesystem support ?
15:49<Bunnyh>Well, if you don't know and are using a default kernel, you really shouldn't even need to know. I guess it's a bug if it isn't enabled..
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15:50<dpkg>[ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: .
15:50<Bunnyh>But I can't really be of any help now, just checked that your problem wasn't anything really basic :)
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15:50<mike>Bunnyh ok
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15:51<mike>petemc yes they appeared !
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15:52<petemc>mike: so anything in them when you try to mount?
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15:55<mike>cifs_mount failed w/error -6
15:57<petemc>thats all?
15:57<petemc>does smbclient -L 2kpro01 work?
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15:58<mike>I didn't install the client...
15:58<petemc>so install it
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16:01<mike>I get session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
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16:12<Garp>Question: I have some .rdd files in /var/lib/collectd/rrd/, which tool could I use to generate graphs from those? Thanks.
16:12<mike>anyways thanks for your help guys I need to go, keep up the good work
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16:16<Garp>locklace: thanks.
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16:38<Lomion>Evening lads
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16:38<Lomion>Has anyone got a suggestion for a good scheduling software? Any personal preferences
16:39<Lomion>Imagine the one in M$ Outlook, but one that doesen't suck
16:39<markrian>You mean calendaring? Perhaps try iceowl
16:40<Vroomfondle>Thunderbird's calendar's fine, I find
16:40<markrian>Or, dates, which uses evolution's backend to store data
16:40<Lomion>iceowl you say
16:40<markrian>iceowl = Mozilla Sunbird
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16:53<netzwurm>i would like to bind the pasting of the primary ring selection of X to a key.
16:54<netzwurm>is there a command line way for making X paste? (note that xsel doesn't help me since it prints to stdout instead of initiating a paste)
16:54<locklace>netzwurm: shift+insert generally works
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16:55<ml|>or middle click
16:56<edbian>Why is there modprobe -r and rmmod ??? Is there any difference between the two?
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16:56<locklace>unless you hate mouse pasting
16:56<locklace>edbian: hysterical raisins
16:57<edbian>locklace: o well in that case...
16:57<edbian>Really though. Why?
16:57<locklace>that is why
16:57<locklace>just use modprobe for everything you can and only use something else if you need to
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17:01<edbian>locklace: I don't understand. Hysterical raisins???
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17:02<dkr>let me jargon file that for you
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17:05<chealer>edbian: yes (rmmod doesn't remove any module other than the one specified)
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17:06<edbian>chealer: Why do we have both programs? modprobe -r and rmmod ??
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17:08<dkr>edbian: first there was just rmmod and insmod, modprobe was a tool created later with more functionality
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17:08<dkr>edbian: similar to the way you can aptitude remove or dpkg -r
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17:08<edbian>dkr: So why keep the old programs in the kernel? Shouldn't they be deprecated? (Is that the plan that just hasn't been implemented yet?)
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17:09<locklace>edbian: you think that's bad, check out "dir" and "vdir" sometime
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17:09<edbian>locklace: Seems like there are a lot of these sort of instances!
17:10<locklace>those two win the "dumbest redundant cruft in the core system" award
17:11<dkr>because sometimes it's useful to still have the original or lower level tool around for backwards compatibility or to do specific things at the lower level
17:11<edbian>dkr: ahhh ic
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17:14<bja>dkr: in other words is the way to keep old guy still happy with the new tools?
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17:16<dkr>there is probably a certain amount of social maneuvering involved, too. yeah :)
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18:00<guy>anyone know how to unrar a file in multiple parts: .r00, .r01, .r02 etc?
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18:02<locklace>guy: doesn't it find them automatically?
18:03<guy>locklace how??? doing it in the gui gives me an empty folder
18:03<dkr>guy: rar e foo.rar and it will automatically use all the parts
18:03<amphi>guy: unrar e foo.rar shoulddo it
18:03<guy>tried it many times, gives a failed
18:03<dkr>what is the exact error message?
18:04<dkr>and what is the exact command you used
18:04<ml|>are we trying to rar or unrar?
18:04<guy>extracting (foo) Failed, 1 Failed
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18:05<ml|>guy: using unrar-free?
18:05<guy>not sure
18:05<ml|>try with unrar-nonfree
18:06<guy>?? whats the cmd for unrar nonfree?
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18:07<ml|>guy: first what command did you use?
18:07<bja>guy: you need to download from the rar sites the linux programm
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18:07<bja>guy: the debian program is rather obsolete
18:07<locklace>guy: just paste the complete output of (1) "ls" in the directory you're in; (2) the unrar command you're trying and its output; and (3) "dpkg -l \*rar"
18:07<guy>unrar e foo.rar
18:08<user01>hello, are there a package for falcon in debian stable?
18:08<ml|>that is same dir where foo.rar is in?
18:08<bja>guy: the debian package will not decompress various files into a single one
18:08<guy>ml yes
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18:09<ml|>guy: see which version you are using by aptitude search unrar
18:09<user01>There is ruby and python . . . but falcon looks interesting:
18:09<guy>nothing comes up but unp
18:10<locklace>user01: just switch to lisp and have done with it
18:10<ml|>guy: something should
18:10<bja>guy: unrar x foo.rar
18:11<locklace>"Falcon is an Open Source [...] programming language" <--- absurdity of the week
18:11<user01>locklace, what about fortran?
18:11<locklace>user01: not advisable
18:12<user01>locklace, i learned programming in high shool with fortran and logo
18:12<user01>probably why i dont remember anything
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18:12<ml|>sometimes unrar-free can't handle certain rar's, why i'm suggesting to try with unrar
18:12<locklace>user01: check out
18:12<user01>locklace, absurd because it isnt open source?
18:13<locklace>user01: absurd because of the idea that "open source" has any meaning at all for a language
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18:14<user01>locklace, well . . . that you can see the libraries?
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18:16<guy>ml how can i get unrar?
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18:16<ml|>guy: do you have non-free in your sources.list
18:17<locklace>what he meant to say was that his implementation is open source. but there're already too many languages "defined" by single implementations instead of standards
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18:17<user01>locklace, i learned about falcon on a linux radio show where someguy was making his own distro
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18:17<guy>ml now i do
18:17<user01>locklace, that is suppose to run all programs from all windows, mac os, and linux natively
18:18<ml|>guy: aptitude update && aptitude install unrar
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18:18<guy>ml k doing that
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18:20<guy>ml its working!
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18:20<ml|>guy: what is?
18:20<locklace>!congratulate guy
18:20<dpkg>Woohoo guy, you did it!
18:21<ml|>unrar or install?
18:21<ml|>or both :)
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18:23<guy>ml both
18:23<guy>ml im looking at the result :D
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18:23<ml|>guy: good purge unrar-free :)
18:24<guy>ml will do, thanks!
18:24<bja>!beer ml|
18:24*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for ml|
18:24<ml|>thanks :)
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18:25<user01>locklace, oh i found the site
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18:31<user01>locklace, oh no sorry it was
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18:39<shze>I'm getting traces when my wireless broadband connection breaks down. I didn't run any disconnect command, and following connect attempts fail, see
18:40<shze>using debian lenny. what can I do? how can I test if its my setup or my provider?
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18:49<kop>shze: You're using pppoe?
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18:49<locklace>shze: you're hitting a kernel warning, but the important bit is the first line: "No response to 4 echo-requests"
18:50<bja>ssh -l root
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18:52<kop>locklace, shze : I usually use the lcp echo stuff to simply reconnect after a while. The broadband providers are lame and just disconnect occasionally.
18:52<shze>kob: I have an umts mobile broadband stick from huawei and use pppd. don't thats pppoe.
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18:52<shze>kop: ^^
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18:53<Nemoder>hi, I'm trying to get exim to send mail using my ISP's mail server but it fails with this error in the mainlog: "553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts"
18:53<kop>shze : Right. Anyhow, the lcp stuff is part of ppp so you can use that.
18:53<shze>what irritates me is that it can't reconnect afterwards. it tries to until I stop it (I shortened the log)
18:54<kop>Nemoder : If that's coming from your isp, then your isp is restricting what email addresses you can send "from".
18:54<locklace>itym "send to"
18:54<Nemoder>kop: then how do I tell exim to send from the right address?
18:54<locklace>the server isn't set up for relaying, at least from you
18:55<kop>Nemoder : You use the email address provided you by your ISP.
18:55<shze>locklace: so, from no "No response to 4 echo-requests" you conclude it's my provider?
18:55<Nemoder>kop: that's what I'm trying to do, I assumed that's what smarthost was for
18:55<kop>Nemoder: Email address, not email server.
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18:56<locklace>Nemoder: you need to check with your isp as to which server of theirs you can relay through, if any
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18:57<kop>shze : You must be able to reconnect eventually.
18:57<Nemoder>well I can send/receive email fine with a client such as thunderbird, I'm just trying to do the same with exim so that I can automate sending out emails
18:57<locklace>shze: i conclude your connection is timing out. lots of possible reasons for that
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18:58<shze>kop: it tried to reconnect for 5 minutes w/o success before I stopped it
18:58<kop>Nemoder : If you send from it should work. For other addresses you need to contact your isp, or not use their email server as a relay.
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19:01<Nemoder>kop: how do I set that in exim as the default? I've just been testing with echo "my test" | mail -s "test message"
19:01<locklace>shze: you could at least try with a newer kernel just to see if there's any difference; it's an easy test
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19:02<shze>locklace: did try 2.6.30 from unstable, but same behaviour
19:03<locklace>shze: ok. just confirms the problem is almost certainly somewhere else, like with the link at layer 1
19:03<shze>or is there a better way/kernel to test?
19:05<bja>Nemoder: reconfigure your exim4 as your e-mail client with exactly the same parameters, and it should work. Don't forget to let the smarthost hide your local mail name, they are kind of freaky about it
19:05<shze>locklace, kop: ok, if it's the link, I'll play with lcp settings. thanks!
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19:06<Nemoder>bja: I have tried doing that with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config but I don't see where to set my email address
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19:08<bja>Nemoder: That is set by the client that connects to the server, but you have to tell exim4 to hide it from the smarthost
19:09<Nemoder>yes I turned on the hide option, I guess I just need to figure out how to configure exim's mail command?
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19:12<bja>Nemoder: You can try to send mail through exim4 using another client
19:12<bja>Nemoder: good ol mutt can help you
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19:21<Nemoder>ahh exim has an /etc/email-address file
19:21<Nemoder>er addresses
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19:27<Nemoder>still no luck, and I can't figure out how to get mutt to send either :(
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19:29<itsosimpo>hello, how do i control printer settings on deian
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19:30<rumbarg>tried cups in a browser
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19:30<itsosimpo>that works if i'm connected to a network printer?
19:31<rumbarg>well, there you got me.. depends on rights, I'd think
19:32<bja>itsosimpo: a printer is just that, a printer, your cups server is on your local machine on port 631
19:32<bja>just be carefull to have the right ppd for it.
19:33<itsosimpo>ok thanks
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19:44<mgoetze>hi... i'm looking to buy a new dual-head graphics card and am soliciting recommendations for a chipset which works well with debian squeeze
19:44<mgoetze>so what do you folks recommend?
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19:47<loudergood>doing a lot of 3d?
19:47<mgoetze>no, at most i want to watch a movie occasionally
19:47<mgoetze>otherwise just web browsing, gnumeric, things like that
19:47<loudergood>I'd suggest something with an intel chip in it then
19:48<mgoetze>can you give me an example of a dual head graphics card with an intel chip?
19:49<mgoetze>(because i thought they don't exist, actually)
19:49<loudergood>I'd have to look that up actually...
19:49<loudergood>that does leave you with nvidia and ati then doesn't it?
19:49<mgoetze>right :)
19:49<mgoetze>though perhaps matrox cards are still available somewhere, i'd have to look that up
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19:50<ml|>mgoetze: i use an nVidia Corporation NV44 [Quadro NVS 285], works fine here and they for like ~$20-30
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19:51<omr>can anybody there help me of ubuntu ?
19:51<rumbarg>well, you'd have to ask...
19:51<bja>dpkg: tell omr about ubuntu
19:52<ml|>omr: ask in #ubuntu on freenode
19:52<omr>look i have Iphone 3G 8 G
19:52<omr>and i wanna connect it with ubuntu system
19:52<bja>omr: your are stuck,
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19:53<loudergood>we don't know about ubuntu here
19:53<rumbarg>if you google ssh ubuntu iphone I think you'll find a bunch of links
19:53<omr>oh ok
19:53<omr>no i searched alot
19:53<omr>and tried alot
19:53<omr>but nothing
19:53<bja>omr: you'll have first to jailbreak your iphone
19:53<mgoetze>ml|: that would be a geforce 6200 chipset? are those still sold as new?
19:54<bja>omr: and after that you have to install sshd on your iphone,
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19:54<bja>and thats it, you will not be able to do much more than that
19:55<bja>omr: iphones don't mix well with linux
19:55<ml|>mgoetze: no this uses quadro
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19:58<netzwurm>is it possible to specify key combinations for xmodmap? like map ctrl+u to i?
19:58<netzwurm>(stupid example?(
19:59<ml|>mgoetze: it is a bit old, but what you need should work fine or buy any card you like that has dual dvi out from nvidia or ati, but i don't know much about ati cards since i have an nvidia card
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20:04<mgoetze>ml|: i appreciate the recommendation, just that the online stores i'm looking at don't seem to carry that kind of card :(
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20:05<ml|>mgoetze: try ebay or look for a better nvidia or ati card
20:06<ml|>the card that i use is mainly used in workstations
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20:15<adb>mgoetze: try #hardware on
20:15<mgoetze>adb: thanks
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20:18<dpkg>[hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, (PCI verification only),, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>.
20:19<vook>what would be a good/fast/secure unencrypted network filesystem for a local network ?
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20:20<vook>I've been using nfs for years but I'm being nudged to change my ways.
20:20<paveq>vook: nfsv4 ;)
20:21<vook>sounds good to me. I love nfs. NFS is recursive for NFS is freaken speedy.
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20:22<paveq>vook: or, take a look at
20:22<bremner>I always thought it stood for no F'ing service
20:22<paveq>thats quite more "enterprisy" solution
20:22<paveq>quite hard to setup, too much overkill in home environment
20:23<mgoetze>vook: you want the same feature set as nfs3, just more security? or are you looking for some additional features?
20:23<ml|>if doesn't have to be a fs ssh using scp, rsync, etc.. or ftp
20:24<vook>ya, sshfs would be an encrypted alternative. there is a speed hit though.
20:24<bremner>and even flakier than nfs
20:24<vook>basically I'm installing harden, which is removing nfs-client
20:24<paveq>is sshfs even atomic
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20:26<adb>vook: harden ?
20:28<vook>yes - I don't have much experience with it - I need something to sort of audit the system and lock it down a bit. I used to use Bastille.
20:29<adb>harden is ubuntu's sun ?
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20:29<vook>is it really ?
20:29<vook>is it a product of ubuntu ?
20:29<paveq>vook: nfsv4 supports kerberos autentication and encryption
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20:31<bremner>. .. README.IRC
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20:34<vook>ok, no - harden predates Ubuntu by three years
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20:35<paveq>am I wrong if I think only proper way is to use grsec and selinux...
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20:36<mgoetze>selinux is only usable if all users of the system understand it
20:36<mgoetze>and even then, it's a lot of work to do it properly
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20:37<paveq>mgoetze: hmm, why?
20:37<mgoetze>why what?
20:38<paveq>how does users in multi-user environment need to care
20:39*vook is enlightened.
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20:39<paveq>I haven't myself implented selinux yet, sadly
20:39<mgoetze>let me tell a little story about selinux
20:39<paveq>haven't needed it yet
20:40<vook>story time!
20:40<mgoetze>a customer once opened a support ticket because their server wouldn't boot anymore
20:40<mgoetze>the boot process was showing permission denied errors trying to read /etc/fstab
20:41<mgoetze>why wouldn't the boot process (uid 0) be able to read /etc/fstab ?
20:41<mgoetze>well, it turned out the customer created a new fstab in /tmp, and the copied it over to /etc
20:41<paveq>well, thats up to sysadmin to figure that out imho
20:41<mgoetze>and the boot process didn't have permission to read tmp_t files
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20:42<paveq>when I talk about user, I mean that one who uses email, maybe runs irssi in screen, etc. :)
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20:42<mgoetze>right, so... they are going to get upset when they can't upload files they created in /tmp via a web interface, or whatever
20:42<paveq>mgoetze: well obviously theres error there, root access shouldn't have given to incompetent person
20:43<paveq>sadly business doesn't always work like that
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20:43<mgoetze>that customer is one of our most competent ones, actually. the problem was just that they decided to activate selinux without understanding it
20:44<vook>virtual server ?
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20:44<mgoetze>no, i don't support small customers ;)
20:45<mgoetze>and proud of it too... those virtual server customers are annoying
20:46<mgoetze>(the ones that hand in support tickets all the time, anyway)
20:47<paveq>I have been wondering some time how to properly log root actions
20:47<paveq>just simply logging terminal activity might not help much
20:47<mgoetze>what kinds of actions do you want to log?
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20:48<paveq>everything... currently I have user claiming "sysadmin reads my email" I have no way to prove that wrong
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20:48<bremner>ask sysadmin?
20:48<paveq>such claims are wrong of course, but annoying and creating distrust
20:49<vook>hmm, remove root shell access, just sudo?
20:49<bremner>tell use to encrypt his mail
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20:49<paveq>vook: I consider sudo security flaw
20:50<mgoetze>paveq: ?
20:50<paveq>beside it doesn't really solve anything
20:50<vook>I see
20:50<paveq>just creates complexity
20:50<mgoetze>i never noticed any complexity with sudo
20:50<vook>sudo can be very powerful and handy
20:50<paveq>eg. malicious syadmin could write a script to do all his dirty work, and just run it with sudo
20:51<paveq> btw, usual sudo use scenario gets rid of root password
20:51<paveq>I don't like that
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20:51<mgoetze>well, generally speaking, just don't give people you don't trust permissions
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20:51<mgoetze>as if passwords were the most secure things out there
20:51<user458>i'm trying to get a deskjet printer installed and printing
20:52<user458>i followed the instructions on
20:52<paveq>I'm quite sure not all my admins have as strong password as root password
20:52<paveq>beside, users normal password can be easily leaked out
20:52<paveq>currently I use root password with one-time token
20:52<rumbarg>user458 - does cups show your printer?
20:52<vook>I've seen some bad bad passwords from my users.
20:52<paveq>pam_otpw module
20:53<mgoetze>i think people typing all sorts of different passwords all the time is a security risk
20:53<vook>like, for example, Password
20:53<vook>they aren't my users though.
20:53<user458>rumbarq: sorry where do i check cups?
20:53<rumbarg>browser, localhost:631
20:53<user458>yeah. it's open
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20:54<user458>or it appears open
20:54<mgoetze>as far as i'm concerned the only place you should be authenticating yourself with a password is localhost
20:54<rumbarg>and printer is there?
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20:54<mgoetze>(if even that, there are other ways to authenticate locally too of course)
20:54<user458>rumbarg: what do you mean is the printer there?
20:54<paveq>ssh keys aren't that great imho
20:55<mgoetze>user458: what's the output of "lpstat -p"?
20:55<paveq>and most are not ready to use something like one-time token
20:55<user458>cupsd appears to be running but i'm not sure if it's recognizing the printer
20:55<rumbarg>user458: do you see the cups welcome page in your browser?
20:55<user458>lpstat: No destinations added
20:55<user458>no. i do not see that
20:55<paveq>even I myself won't use tokens for my normal logins
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20:55<paveq>too much time consuming :)
20:55<user458>rumbarg: wait. yes i do
20:55<mgoetze>user458: then you don't have any printers configured
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20:56<user458>Common UNIX Printing System 1.3.8
20:56<user458>yeah it's there
20:56<rumbarg>user458: you may be able to click Add Printer and go
20:57<user458>do you know what i'd put for 'Device URI'?
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20:58<user458>rumbarg: A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS"
20:58<user458>do i need to add my user to another group?
20:59<rumbarg>user458 I'lm going to show my uri
20:59<ml|>user458: root and use root's password
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21:00<rumbarg> /parallel/dev/lp0 <-- on a standard port
21:00<rumbarg>for the uri
21:01<user458>root:<pass> is not working. this is a USB printer btw
21:01<rumbarg>don't think I had to enter that by hand, though
21:01<user458>Enter your username and password or the root username and password to access this page. If you are using Kerberos authentication, make sure you have a valid Kerberos ticket.
21:01<user458>strange. i used roots creds
21:01<ml|>typo maybe?
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21:02<rumbarg>user458: been a while since I set it up, but that sounds right - a special user for cups had more rights than root, there
21:03<user458>dont know what the user is though
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21:05<rumbarg>sorry I can't help - might google cups admin
21:05<mgoetze>i always use root to auth to cups, works fine for me
21:05<mgoetze>probably just wrong password
21:05<rumbarg>did you put root in the printer group
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21:05<ml|>user=root and root's password always works here
21:06<user458>sorry. i did not put root into the printer group
21:06<user458>tried again. no dice
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21:08<vook>I may have to start using AROS - moria3D
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21:12<vook>it exists for linux somewhere - can't find the source.
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21:52<blue32>Hello peeps,anyone have exp with 9.6 drivers?
21:55<blue32>i had 3d working my 4850 ati the 9.6 drivers,but desktop was annoying cause it seemed to lose some 2d fuction,like moving widows across the deaktop plasma couldnt keep up drawing the background so ther would be white space used a custom kernel.Is debians kernel working nice with the 9.6 ati?
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22:01<blue32>wow dont everybody talk at once
22:01<mgoetze>we'll try not to
22:01<blue32>lol,so some one lives here
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22:02<mgoetze>yes, at least one happy user of intel graphics technology
22:03<adb>blue32: lspci -nn| grep VGA , says ?
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22:04<blue32>adb: srry just want to know peoples exp with it i no longer have it installed im using xorghd redeon atm
22:05<adb>try #ati channel
22:05<blue32>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV770 [Radeon HD 4850] [1002:9442]
22:05<adb>judd: pciid 1002:9442
22:05<judd>adb: [1002:9442] is 'RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
22:05<blue32>adb: thanks ill try that
22:06<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI ( For chipsets prior to R600 (ie. models up to and including the X1950), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. #radeon @ freenode.
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22:06<dpkg>it has been said that radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets ( Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' from Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. #radeonhd on
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22:07<blue32>ty peeps
22:08-!-james is now known as Guest776
22:08<Guest776>does anybody know a portscanner i can download
22:08<mgoetze>aptitude install nmap
22:09<adb>Guest776: apt-cache search portscanner
22:09<Guest776>i have backtrack 4 but i want to use a gui program and i can use the ones i have on windows
22:10<magyar>hi, is virtualbox module depricated for 2.6.30?
22:10<mgoetze>Guest776: we don't do windows, sorry
22:10<adb>magyar: please don't cross ask
22:11<Guest776>ok i apt-cache search portscanner and got php-net-portscan - Portscanner utilities
22:11<Guest776>nast - packet sniffer and lan analyzer
22:11<adb>mgoetze: why sorry ? hahha
22:11<Guest776>but how do i get them
22:11<Guest776>im trying to do linux and not windows anymore but its hard to learn
22:11<adb>aptitude install them ?
22:11<adb>Guest776: ^^
22:11<mgoetze>Guest776: as i said you want to type "aptitude install nmap"
22:12<Guest776>nmap comes with backtrack its a pen testing os
22:13<mgoetze>i have no idea what this "backtrack" is and i don't particularily care. however, nmap is the standard port scanning tool on unix-like systems
22:13<gsimmons>Guest776: BackTrack is not supported here. Please direct questions concerning this distribution at #remote-exploit on
22:14<Guest776>how do i get there lol
22:14<Guest776>im so new
22:14<Guest776>how to change servers
22:14<Hideo>and you want to use backtrack, hah
22:14<Guest776>i can crack wep and shit and ssh
22:14<Tekno_>but not irc
22:14<Guest776>but they are all on the os i dont have to install
22:15<Guest776>i ahve never used
22:15<Hideo><sacarsm>that sure is something to be proud out
22:15<Guest776>i stick to msn icq
22:15<Guest776>fuck it ill scann in windows attack in linux
22:15<Guest776>fuck this
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22:17<blue32>wow no one is on any of the ati channels:(i think ill install the 9.6 drivers with debs 2.6.29 kernel and see if its any diff then the custom one i used,wish me luck
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22:52<kejen>rebuilding the default kernel in lenny, just neede to change a few options and going to use a ramfs. Whats the correct way to generate initrd? There is so much conflicting info on the net
22:53<mgoetze>kejen: use make-kpkg, and update-initramfs should be run automatically for you...
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23:54<nei>iceweasel bug
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