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00:26<edbian>Hey guys. Is unetbootin not in the repos? (debian 5 lenny) ?
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00:27<craigevil>edbian: it is in testing and sid repos
00:28<edbian>craigevil: How can I get it? Is there a way to add the repo for one package and then remove said repo without causing a massive system update / messing with my package manager?
00:29<bremner>edbian: it depends. Did you try the 2 step instructions in the install guide?
00:29<bremner>(for making a usb boot)
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00:29<craigevil>try adding testing repo then do aptitude install unetbootin -s and see what all to wants to pull in
00:29<edbian>bremner: I don't have the package installed at all.
00:29<craigevil>or just backport it yourself
00:30<edbian>craigevil: How do I backport myself? Do you mean add it to the backport repos? Is it already in there? Which method do you suggest?
00:30<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
00:30<bremner>edbian: I mean, I'm not convinced you need the package, you could just do it by hand
00:31<bremner>for less work than a backport
00:31<craigevil>the debian installer guide has a nice part on how to install to usb or from usb
00:31<edbian>bremner: Well I have a DVD iso that I'd like to boot to. Problem is I don't have a DVD burner. I was going to use unetbootin to work it's magic and let me boot an ISO that is on my harddrive.
00:32<edbian>I don't have a USB key that would fit this ISO it's nearly 2 GB
00:32<bremner>a 2GB usb key should be about $15 these days
00:33<bremner>but hey, its your time :)
00:33<edbian>bremner: craigevil: I would prefer whatever is the easiest route. Creating a .deb package sounds like waaay to much work for this.
00:33<edbian>bremner: I know they're cheap. I just don't have one and I don't wanna wait until tomorrow.
00:33<edbian>So looks like I should add the testing repo for a second
00:34<edbian>Maybe I should just download the package from the website? Do they have a .deb? I'll go check.
00:34<bremner>yeah, git it a shot. but _read_ what aptitude says. And consider setting up an /etc/apt/preferences file
00:35<edbian>bremner: read what aptitude says about what? What does an apt preferences file do?
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00:36<bremner>if aptitude proposes to upgrade your whole system, say no
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00:37<edbian>bremner: craigevil: I found the package on the debian web site available for download. Since I'm using this package only once it doesn't matter that I don't have a repo to update it correct?
00:38<craigevil>the .deb will not install if you don't have the depends
00:38<edbian>craigevil: I know
00:39*bremner has to go climb Mt. Fuji; good luck edbian.
00:40<edbian>bremner: What an adventurous life! Good luke to you!
00:40<edbian>bremner: Thanks craigevil: Thanks!
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00:40<craigevil>did the testing packages install?
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00:46<edbian>craigevil: The dependencies were impossible to satisfy without the full testing repo. I downloaded the binary (yeah I know the pre-compiled binary, what is this windows?!?!) from the site and placed it in /usr/local/bin and made it executable. I'm running it now.
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00:47<craigevil>cool as long as it works :)
00:48<edbian>craigevil: It works
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00:48<edbian>Thanks again. Gotta reboot now though!
00:48<edbian>I'm trying out sabayon 4.2
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01:06<drakeman>hey good evening, i have a little question, dont know if this posible, recently i downloaded openoffice 3 from their site and installed, if i want to remove if i use for example apg-get remove --purge openoffice*, apt-get automatically find all the openoffice packages and remove then, can i do the same with aptitude? i tried aptitude purge openoffice* but aptitude says, there is not packages, !! is there anyway to do it with aptitude instead of apt-get?
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01:10<ml|>drakeman: how did you install it?
01:11<drakeman>ml|, i downloaded the deb files from and then dpkg -i debfile.deb
01:12<streuner_>ml|: what does "dpkg -l | grep -i openoffice" say?
01:12<drakeman>ml|, i want to know thy apt-get can find and select all the openoffice file and aptitiude cant..
01:12<streuner_>oh :-)
01:12<drakeman>streuner_, i get all the installe files
01:13<streuner_>via apt-get but not via apititude :-)
01:13<drakeman>streuner_, all the openoffice installed file!!...
01:13<drakeman>so there is no way to aptitude purge command do the same as apt-get in this case?
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01:14<streuner_>man apt-get
01:14<streuner_>option "--purge" might help
01:14<ml|>no idea why aptitude does show it, does aptitude show openoffice show anything?
01:15<drakeman>ml -----------> E: Unable to locate package openoffice
01:15<streuner_>drakeman: so you want get rid of the whole mess? why not just use "apt-get remove --purge offenoffice*"?
01:15<ml|>drakeman: seems you have to use apt-get inthis case
01:15<superlinux>this is a one time spam, not repeatable. for debian tutorial videos go to : . arabic and english voices available. thanks
01:16<drakeman>streuner_, no i dont want to remove it, i just want to know why if i use the command you type it, i get all the openoffice files to be removed, and why i cannot do the same with aptitude,
01:16<drakeman>and if the only way to do it is using apt-get remove --purge openoffice*
01:16<adb>superlinux: stop spam here , we just told that
01:16<ml|>drakeman: are you typing in the correct name?
01:17<ml|>nevermind ;P
01:17<superlinux>adb, is the #debian on freenode the same as this one?
01:18<drakeman>ml|, with apt-get im using this apt-get remove --purge openoffice* (i get all the packages selected to be removed) with aptitude im using ---> aptitude purge openoffice* and aptitude remove purge openoffice* and i dont get any package selected to be removed.
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01:19<streuner_>adb: hehe :-)
01:19<adb>done ..
01:19<drakeman>ml|, with aptitude i get ----> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "openoffice*"
01:20<ml|>drakeman: yes i understand and have no idea why aptitude does not show it, maybe after a logout login things will work or a reboot who knows
01:20<craigevil>try aptitude remove*
01:20<drakeman>i dont have problems to use apt-get but just want to know why if there is a reason, because i want to use only aptitude because a friend here suggested me :D
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01:20<streuner_>drakeman: well, listen to craigevil :-)
01:20<streuner_>openoffice shows nothing, but works
01:21<drakeman>craigevil, ---> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "*
01:21<drakeman>ml|, if i restart or log in and back, i get the samel.
01:21<ml|>streuner_: you installed from repos right?
01:22<streuner_>hm, and those debs of called or they have a different name?
01:22<streuner_>repos, of course
01:22<ml|>yeah might be the deb file from was done correctly or something
01:22<drakeman>mmm maybe because i downloladed the latest version from openoffice and installed using dpkg -i ?
01:23<ml|>judd: versions
01:23<judd>ml|: -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1:3.0.1-9 lenny-backports: 1:3.1.0-5~bpo50+1 sid: 1:3.1.0-5 experimental: 1:3.1.1~ooo310m14-1
01:23<streuner_>drakeman: can you show us "dpkg -l | grep openoffice" in
01:23<drakeman>streuner_, ok.. wait...
01:24<streuner_>hm, 3.1 is even in bpo, good work :-)
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01:25<drakeman>streuner_, --->
01:25<ml|>drakeman: why did you use backports version?
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01:25<ml|>*not use
01:27<drakeman>streuner_, ml| this is the result without * ----->
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01:28<ml|>drakeman: try aptitude purge openoffice.org3*
01:28<streuner_>drakeman: aptitude show openoffice.org3
01:29<drakeman>ml|, streuner_ i get this ---->
01:30<ml|>drakeman: try aptitude -s purge openoffice.org3*
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01:31<drakeman>ml|, ---->
01:31<streuner_>so nothing?
01:31<drakeman>ml|, ----> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "openoffice.org3*
01:31<streuner_>well, just use the hard way then
01:31<streuner_>via dpkg
01:31<adb> dpkg -P
01:31*dpkg destroys any trace of adb's existence
01:32<ml|>drakeman: use apt-get to purge and install bpo version
01:32<drakeman>ml|, yes, the best practice :D thanks.
01:32<ml|>dpkg: tell drakeman about bpo
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01:33<ml|>adb: nice you destroyed yourself ;)
01:33<Hideo>adb just committed suicide by bot
01:33<ml|>haha yes he did
01:33<drakeman>ml|, thanks...
01:34<ml|>np thank streuner_ to :)
01:34<streuner_>!factinfo -P
01:34<dpkg>-p -- created by thebug <> at Thu Jun 3 15:24:27 2004 (1863 days); it has been requested 16 times, last by adb, 2m 13s ago.
01:34<streuner_>!forget -P
01:34<dpkg>i forgot -p, streuner_
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01:34<ml|>streuner_: why delete?
01:35<streuner_>its useless
01:35<streuner_>and not even funny
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01:35<ml|>so, it's funny in your view
01:36<drakeman>thanks streuner_ ml| and craigevil for the help!
01:36*streuner_ slaps simonrvn a little with a large trout :-)
01:36<streuner_>drakeman: np
01:36<ml|>drakeman: try to use debian packages from now on ;)
01:37<drakeman>ml|, ok... xD, im a latest versions fan
01:37<ml|>the deb's you find on the web are not made to debian standards
01:37<streuner_>last versions arent helpful for each problem
01:38<ml|>drakeman: latest versions can include bad bugs
01:38<streuner_>always check out what kind of problem you wanna solve in order to install anything...
01:39<drakeman>ok, thanks, thats right!
01:39<adb>drakeman: go go experiment , but don't tell us
01:40<craigevil>bugs? you want bugs run kde4 :)
01:40<ml|>craigevil: don't you use that or used ;)
01:40<drakeman>!kill adb
01:40*dpkg tears a hole in adb's head with his teeth
01:40<craigevil>i ran kde3 but purged kde when kde4 hit sid these days i run lxde
01:41<craigevil>only 2 kde apps i still have installed are k3b and k9copy
01:41<ml|>ah, lxde nice? ever use xfce? if so how would you compare the two?
01:42<craigevil>lxde is fast and nice once i figured out what apps to use to replace the ones i used in kde
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01:43<ml|>not to dependant on gnome?
01:43<craigevil>Processes 102 Uptime 2 days Memory 181.6/493.5MB and even with iceweasel open 24/7 it doesnt use much ram
01:44<Hideo>i'm considering to switch away from firefox/iceweasel for good, there's no way as far as I know of to make it stop from spinning the disk up on every site visit
01:44<Hideo>I looked into the frecency crap and the urlclassifier crap, none worked
01:45<craigevil>ml|: lxde-core Depends: lxde-common (>= 0.4.1-1), pcmanfm (>=, lxpanel (>= 0.4), lxsession (>= 0.3.8), openbox (>=
01:45<jrabbit>you aren't doing it correctly
01:45<Hideo>jrabbit: any hint/help is very welcomed
01:45<jrabbit>Hideo: if you don't want it to use caches put it all in a ramdisk
01:45<jrabbit>its really fucking stupid on your part though
01:45<jrabbit>as in you have failed to configure it
01:46<Hideo>it's already using ram, I disabled disk caching
01:46<Hideo>and thanks for insulting me
01:46<adb>Hideo: tried epiphany ?
01:46<craigevil>ml|: lxde on my eeepc 701 using slim boots to lxde in 20 seconds
01:46<ml|>craigevil: nice thanks, might try it for fun, i only use a xmonad atm :)
01:46<ml|>about 16 seconds here on boot time :)
01:47<craigevil>i could probably cut 5 seconds if i setup startx rather than using slim
01:48<ml|>yes ~5
01:49<ml|>Hideo: maybe 3.5 does a better job
01:50<Hideo>ml|: it is 3.5 I was talking about, I just upgraded
01:50<Hideo>ml|: 3.1 did not have the problem, same config
01:50<Hideo>ml|: I was able to disabled them
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01:51<ml|>oh, never noticed that until you mentioned it happens here on 3.0.9
01:51<ml|>Hideo: maybe a new config option?
01:51<Hideo>ml|: I've been googling
01:52<ml|>ok i'm out of bright ideas ;P
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01:53<ml|>drakeman: how did install of openoffice from bpo go?
01:54<Hideo>ml|: iotop, strace, and lsof helped pinpointing it down to 2 files frequently being updated, places.sqlite and urlclassifier3.sqlite
01:55<drakeman>ml|, fine :D downloading the files right now :D
01:55<Hideo>I disabled or minimized their effects via about:config, but it didn't help
01:55<drakeman>ml|, not the best internet connection here ---> 800k download.
01:55<drakeman>so 80 or 90k max speed
01:56<ml|>ah, good things come to those that wait ;)
01:57<adb>ml|: lao-tzu?
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01:57<ml|>adb: dunno
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01:59<drakeman>ml|, well, i tell you the results tomorrow :D going to sleep work tomorrow :D
01:59<drakeman>good night people! :D
02:00<ml|>good nite
02:01<ml|>adb: origin unknown
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02:01<adb>`All difficult things have their origin in that which is easy, and great things in that which is small.` Lao Tzu
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02:11<ml|>adb: so true
02:11<debUser>Can anyone help me out? I am trying to a install a broadcom driver...
02:12*adb `He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know` Lao Tzu
02:12<gsimmons>debUser: Which one? For what device?
02:13<debUser>It's the bmc4312 device
02:13<debUser>i mean controller
02:13<gsimmons>dpkg: bcm4312
02:13<dpkg>Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver, except for the low-power version (14e4:4315). If you have this specific version, ask me about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>.
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02:15<debUser>this page: say's the bmc4312 PCI-ID 14e4:4315 is unsupported with the b43 driver
02:15<debUser>and I could not get the ndiswrapper to work
02:16<gsimmons>debUser: So ask dpkg about wl ; /msg dpkg wl
02:17<debUser>all right, thanks. I'll give that a go.
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02:25<debUser>wow, I have been trying to get this to work for about 2 day's now and this did it in about 5 minutes.
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02:27<ml|>!win debUser
02:27<dpkg>Congratulations, debUser! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad!
02:30<debUser>i had another question regarding /lib/modules/(kernel build)/build , is that folder supposed to be empty? I downloaded the appropriate linux-headers...
02:31<debUser>This came up when I was trying to install the broadcom driver from a different tutorial. I would make but it could not find anything in the build folder
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02:42<adb> ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
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03:59<K>hello every one
04:00<K>any one reply please
04:00<K>i am new to this location
04:00<K>can i get help for ubuntu related ?
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04:02<adb> try #ubuntu
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04:04<K>thank you
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05:04<locklace>!wb Supaplex
05:04<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Supaplex has returned!
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05:08<Supaplex>sup locklace
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06:06<tom9876543>hi does anyone have the md5 sum for debian-502-powerpc-DVD-1.iso
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06:08<tom9876543>thank you
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06:12<tom9876543>when i go to there is only dvd 1, the other dvds aren't there?
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06:12<patrikf>tom9876543: DVD 1 is the one which most people download, so only that one is provided via bittorrent
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06:14<gsimmons>tom9876543: The remaining PPC DVD images are distributed via jigdo.
06:14<patrikf>dvds are so 1995 anyway, almost all people can use netinst nowadays
06:15<tom9876543>i have a blue and white g3. i guess i could connect it to the internet
06:16<tom9876543>wouldn't netinst be slower :P
06:17<patrikf>tom9876543: no. normally its faster
06:17<patrikf>because you don't download packages you don't need...
06:18<patrikf>well, at least if you take dvd download time into account
06:18<vvas>tom9876543: it's not slower because you don't have to wait for a 4.3GB DVD to download before you can start the installation
06:18<tom9876543>if you install it only once the netinst is faster, if it is installed multiple times the dvd is faster
06:19<patrikf>yeah. but if you install multiple time in the same network, apt-cacher or something similar is more appropriate
06:19<tom9876543>anyway, the reason i asked for the md5 is because its not working
06:20<tom9876543>i hold down C on boot but then it ejects the dvd
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06:44<anghel>i have some problems with Ubuntu
06:44<anghel>please help me
06:44<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:44<anghel>i`m new on Ubuntu
06:45<locklace>new to reading too, apparently
06:45<anghel>i can`t make to work my webcam
06:45<locklace>!tell anghel about ubuntu
06:45<anghel>my version is 9.04
06:46<locklace>!slap anghel
06:46*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across anghel's face
06:46<anghel>i search topics .forums .but i can get enithing
06:46<anghel>with this problem
06:46<locklace>not surprising, since you're obviously a fucking idiot.
06:47<anghel>i live ubuntu
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06:47<anghel>i dont use a windows
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06:53<vvas>one has to wonder though how these people end up in #debian
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06:55<locklace>iirc ubuntu irc clients have had a habit of defaulting to #debian...
06:56<dr|z3d>That sounds like a "papercut" opportunity.
06:56<dr|z3d>"Fix X-chat's default login"
07:00<jrodger>Is there a reason that ssh would start refusing connections?
07:01<locklace>jrodger: the server? most obvious reason is if it exited.
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07:01<locklace>jrodger: but state exactly what you're doing and the exact error message
07:03<jrodger>it says that it is refusing connection....then I restart the server and everything is okay.
07:04<locklace>giving you ten seconds to answer the actual question, then giving up
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07:05<jrodger>I am trying to ssh onto the server to check connectiviy to client, I am not on location at the moment so cannot answer the exact error message
07:05<locklace>i mean the error you're getting when you try to connect
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07:21<dpkg>methinks cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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07:23<Freebuilder>Oh, My god!
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07:24<hisam>when will debian cum wit kde 4 ??
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07:24<guybrush->hello all. I've got an doubt how can I use the find command to match files like core_* but not the ones like core_*.tar.gz (any idea)
07:24<locklace>!tell hisam about kde4
07:25<locklace>guybrush-: lots of ways. the bluntest instrument is just to filter the results with grep
07:26<hisam>!tell ??
07:26<guybrush->the thing is that I need to do it on a find sentence.
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07:27<locklace>guybrush-: just use -regex instead of -name then
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07:27<guybrush->-regex? uhhm the first time I heard about it I'm goint to have a look
07:28<locklace>guybrush-: or another way, find /foo -name 'core_*' -a \! -name '*.tar.gz'
07:29<guybrush->this one is more like the one I was trying to create but I wasn't able to do it.
07:30<legnaleurc>hisam: go to #debian-kde
07:31<locklace>if you were using zsh, you could just say "core_*~*.tar.gz"
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07:32<guybrush->the seccond one works perfet on my linux. (locklace, do you think the -a ! option will work on a ksh on hpux and solaris?
07:32<locklace>yes, they're standard
07:33<guybrush->great you've save my live :-)
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07:33<locklace>guybrush-: in zsh the exact equivalent to that find is "echo /foo/**/core_*~*.tar.gz"
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07:33<guybrush->I have to wait till monday to test it at the office.
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07:43<Lomion>does Opera need separate flash plugins than iceweasel?
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07:47<guybrush->thanks locklace it worked perfectly fine on my debian. awesome bye
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08:03<Gun_Smoke>Lomion, my understanding of flash, is flash is flash..
08:03<Gun_Smoke>the packaged variants just install/link a .so file in a directory the browser is looking for.
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08:09<Lomion>Hm alright, I'll have a look
08:11<jetftwi>I am planning to buy a laptop in the near future and I am really in need of linux as my primary OS , how do you see if I use debian in my perspective laptop ?
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08:12<bzed>jetftwi: I'm running debian on my laptops since 9 years, neer had a problem
08:13<bzed>jetftwi: but I'm using thinkpads only...
08:13<bzed>weird brands may have weird issues with extra buttons or acpi...
08:14<jetftwi>So how do you find it comparing to other linux Os for example fedora ?
08:15<bzed>asking that question doesn't make sense in #debian... :P
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08:17<tloffler>i'm so confused about this linux stuff :S, is this a chat?
08:17<chahibi>tloffler: yes
08:18<locklace>!confuse tloffler
08:18<dpkg>Yes, who is my ferret today, tloffler? Pants of the People's Republic of Belarus with extra herring.
08:18<chahibi>tloffler: and it is not a "linux stuff"
08:18<tloffler>I just installed antiX, and I've never used linux before, so I'm kind of confused. :(
08:19<jetftwi>I sometimes heard that most laptops are not designed comfortable to linux as that of windows do you think this is true specially how do you see it debian in hp laptops?
08:19<gsimmons>tloffler: You're in the wrong channel for support of antiX MEPIS. Please ask for assistance in #mepis on
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08:20<locklace>gsimmons wins for knowing the obscure linux distribution of the day
08:22<jetftwi>oh! great thank you for the link . It has a lot of information i will deal with that , But experience also keeps a good teacher
08:22<jetftwi>I will back
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08:46<tzafrir_laptop>hi, I tried connecting here a while ago as 'tzafrir' and it seems this nick is banned. Though I have no idea why
08:46<parkejr>afternoon all..
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08:46<tzafrir_laptop>(nick is registered and I identified)
08:46<tzafrir_laptop>who can I ask about this?
08:46<parkejr>quick question - running lenny amb64, thinking of buying a new graphics card..
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08:47<parkejr>any suggestions as to which make/model are best s
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08:47<tzafrir_laptop>parkejr, why do you want a new graphics card? what do you want to run on the system?
08:48<parkejr>just using the vga port on my motherboard
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08:48<parkejr>not great resolution - dvd playback is a jerky
08:48<locklace>parkejr: do you need 3d
08:48<locklace>tzafrir_laptop: your nick isn't on the ban list, as you can see
08:48<tzafrir_laptop>what graphics chip is it?
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08:48<tzafrir_laptop>locklace, how can I see?
08:49<locklace>tzafrir_laptop: /mode #debian b
08:49<parkejr>don't need 3D, but best resolution I have now is 1280x800. would like something a bit hiher
08:49<parkejr>how can I tell what graphics chip i have now?
08:49<locklace>parkejr: radeon works well for 2d these days
08:50<locklace>parkejr: lspci -nn
08:50<tzafrir_laptop>hmm.... maybe it's that root. I was using a minimal client from a rescue system
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08:51<parkejr>I have :
08:51<parkejr>01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791e]
08:51<locklace>parkejr: what x driver are you using
08:51<parkejr>locklace: how can I tell that?
08:52<locklace>parkejr: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at
08:52<Bravewolf>Is there a chance to have #463833 solved? The solution is simple: drop the patch added with #419458 (like Ubuntu/OpenSUSE and any other distribution). The bug logs are full of informations, but the kernel team didn't provide a clear explanation about NOT dropping the patch. I'm going to reinstall the my whole system to rearrange the partition. I'm waiting for this bug. It's about 1.5 year that I'm waiting. Please let me know if t
08:52<Bravewolf>his chance exists. If not I will (sadly) reinstall with Ubuntu again. I need my DVD recorder work and I can't hack the kernel every time. I only need to know if there is chance of reply from the kernel team. I can't wait more than 2 months (I've yet waited for more than 1.5 years!)
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08:57<locklace>parkejr: first thing i'd try is updating the radeon driver, that one's quite old
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08:58<parkejr>locklace: - thanks, I'll take a look at that... daughter just awake so going to have to run...!
08:59<locklace>parkejr: you need one of those
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09:03*drakeman says good morning
09:04<Lomion>Afternoon, surely :>
09:04<drakeman>Lomion, where are you?
09:04<drakeman>here is morning :D
09:05<Lomion>We're winning!!
09:05<drakeman>Lomion, ohhh, far away kingdom, hehe
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09:06<Lomion>Speaking of far away
09:07<Lomion>I'm not getting opera to run flash at all. Tried the intaller, moving the .so-files and everything. Still nada
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09:07<drakeman>ml|, the office was installed fine! aptitude download the files from squeeze repos, at the first attempt it want to download files from SID, but i have to comment that lines in sources.list.
09:07<drakeman>Lomion, use firefox :D
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09:09<locklace>Lomion: you might have more luck in an opera channel
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09:11<craigevil>opera should just work with flash , at least it will if your using adobe's flash
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10:30<n3lab>hi:) can anybody help me?
10:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:30<ml|>drakeman: from squeeze? why not bpo?
10:30<n3lab>where will be phpmyadmin when i install him from repo? :)
10:31<n0nsense>apt-cache search phpmyadmin? ^^
10:32<drakeman>ml|, no idea, i added the url to my sources.list, then aptitude was trying to get some files from SID, dont know why aptitude didnt use backport.
10:32<drakeman>ml|, but now i have 3.01 .
10:32<n3lab>mm/ and where is it? there is no folder /etc/phpmyadmin
10:33<n3lab>i already install it from repo
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10:35<n3lab>debian:~# less /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf
10:35<n3lab>/etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf: No such file or directory
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10:37<ml|>drakeman: you only added bpo to sources.list?
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10:38<drakeman>ml|, and the gpg key
10:38<ml|>ok. workimg fine?
10:38<drakeman>ml|, then aptitude update, then aptitude install, yes...
10:38<drakeman>ml|, only dont know why it get all the packages from squeeze repos...
10:39<noflash>n3lab, do you have /etc/php5 ?
10:39<n3lab>php mysql and apache are installed and works good
10:41<drakeman>ml|, like i said i have to comment the unstable lines in sources.list because dont know why aptitude tried to get packages from there, not all but some, even using aptitude -t testing install
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10:42<ml|>drakeman: dunno, never used bpo, but would think it would get bpo version, maybe do aptitude show and see the version number is lenny-backports: 1:3.1.0-5~bpo50+1
10:42<craigevil>drakeman: setup apt.conf with the line APT::Default-Release "stable"; and /etc/apt/preferences with the pinning set up prperly
10:43<drakeman>craigevil, but is well set
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10:43<n3lab>debian:~# locate phpmyadmin
10:44<ml|>n3lab: try whwereis
10:44<craigevil>really shouldn't even have testing or sid repos uncommented if your running stable, but packages shouldn't install from there unless you tell apt/aptitude to do so
10:44<drakeman>craigevil, im running testing
10:44<n3lab>debian:~# whereis phpmyadmin
10:45<n3lab>but he is installed(
10:45<craigevil>ah my mistake
10:45<n3lab>debian:~# aptitude search phpmyadmin
10:45<n3lab>pi phpmyadmin
10:46<drakeman>ml|, with aptitude show i see 1:3.0.1-9
10:46<drakeman>ml|, dont know why doesnt show the bpo version.
10:46<ml|>drakeman: that is testing's
10:46<drakeman>ml|, yes, installed from testing, dont know why doesnt show the bpo version.
10:47<ml|>drakeman: you don't need bpo, you didn't say you where using testing
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10:47<craigevil>bpo is for stable
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10:47<drakeman>craigevil, ohhh, didnt know that..
10:47<n3lab>omg/ sorry
10:47<drakeman>ml|, ohh sorry, my mistake, :D
10:47<ml|>drakeman: remove bpo from sources.list
10:48<ml|>judd: versions
10:48<judd>ml|: -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1 squeeze: 1:3.0.1-9 lenny-backports: 1:3.1.0-5~bpo50+1 sid: 1:3.1.0-5 experimental: 1:3.1.1~ooo310m14-1
10:48<n3lab>Err lenny/main phpmyadmin 4:
10:48<n3lab> 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
10:48<drakeman>ml|, doing it right now.
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10:49<drakeman>ml|, debian should have a squeeze-backports :D
10:49<ml|>drakeman: heh there is sid...
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10:50<craigevil>drakeman: volatile and proposed/updates
10:53<ml|>drakeman: do you have sid in sources.list? if you do make sure you use /etc/apt/apt.conf with APT::Default-Release "testing"; but only need sid there if you want to install stuff from sid
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10:53<drakeman>craigevil, i have the testing release witn 700 pin priority and unstable with 200 pin priority...
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10:55<drakeman>ml|, l, i have the testing release witn 700 pin priority and unstable with 200 pin priority... and in apt.conf i have apt:default-release "testing"
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10:57<ml|>drakeman: ok, but with apt.conf should be enough i don't use pinning so really can't say much about that, but seems fine
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10:58<drakeman>ml|, ok, i added to my preferences and apt.conf only if i decide to install the gnome-session from unstable, because of the bug..
10:58<ml|>drakeman: no
10:58<ml|>don't do it
10:58<Lomion>there really aren't any good guies for flash on 64 bit systems
10:59<Lomion>everyone just wants to cheat by booting up some 32 bit clone
10:59<drakeman>ml|, yes, i tried and i get a lot of unmet dependences message, and question asking for solutions, so i didnt do it..
10:59<ml|>drakeman: remember if you have sid in sources.list updating takes longer, you may want to comment the sid lines and uncomment them when needed
11:00<drakeman>ml|, yes, good idea.
11:01<ml|>drakeman: if you want newer version of purge testing version and install sid's version, know how to do that right?
11:01<ml|>Lomion: on stable?
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11:02<drakeman>ml|, mmm aptitude -t unstable install
11:02<drakeman>ml|, thats the way?
11:04<ml|>drakeman: aptitude update && aptitude install -t unstable
11:04<ml|>but purge testing first
11:05<sney`>hmm, apt seems to think that a bunch of xfce packages I installed on purpose are candidates for autoremove
11:06<locklace>!tell sney` about unmarkauto
11:07<drakeman>ml|, mmm purge testing?
11:07<ml|>yes version of
11:07<drakeman>ahh, the version i already installed yesterday
11:08<ml|>yes, before you install new version from instable
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11:09<drakeman>hey kick FUCKYOU it only flood the channel in debian-es
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11:09<drakeman>thanks mentor
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11:09<ml|>dpkg: tell drakeman about releases
11:09<arw>thank you
11:09<mentor>libnotify wins again
11:10<drakeman>ml|, thanks.
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11:11<Lomion>Anyone knows where opera keeps it's plugins? In the directory structure I mean
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11:11<drakeman>ml|, when i do aptitude show package it shows the version from my current release?
11:11<mentor>Lomion: dpkg -L opera?
11:11<drakeman>ml|, if i want to know the unstable version.
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11:12<Lomion>mentor what does that cmd do? :)
11:12<mentor>lists all files in the pacakge opera
11:12<Lomion>Coolio, cheers
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11:13<gsimmons>Lomion: See also for a list of known plug-in paths.
11:13<ml|>drakeman: do /msg judd versions and man aptitude read the show section
11:14<drakeman>ml|, nice...
11:14<Lomion>I'm trying to figure out where to put the 64 bit replacement file for flash
11:14<Lomion>but it's not all that obvious
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11:15<ml|>Lomion: why install it from repos
11:15<ml|>*why not
11:15<GenericF>Because you are a fucking sucker
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11:16<GenericF>GenericF SuperMiguel kutio QPrime Shinsaku craigevil sney` chiGenericF SuperMiguel kutio QPrime Shinsaku craigevil sney` chitchat tjol Oneg CraigGB Pitxyoki n3lab neet deepsa nxxn rockstar mentor drakeman malkovitch angasule mastroquet sitinavra_away Gomer_ m42 andersos tuxwarrior quaker66 BlackMage OdyX OkropNick GoinEasy9 freex_ stevecotton togakushi shogunx Zylvain tzafrir_laptop foxes davyg bimberi amphi AbsintheSyringe Bravewolf Blacker4
11:16<ml|>!nuke GenericF
11:16*dpkg fires an 80 teraton thermonuclear weapon at GenericF
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11:16<vev_>wow he is unstopable
11:16<Lomion>ml| the 64 bit won't build from repos
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11:16<sney`>sunday has come early
11:16<quaker66>wtf is that?
11:16<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
11:17<Lomion>it's like september on USEnet
11:17<Lomion>horrible time of year :<
11:17<sney`>or summer break on 4chan
11:17<ml|>Lomion: i don't use 64bit, but have bien told that flash for 64bit is in the repos
11:17<sney`>I'm on 64-bit! let's take a look.
11:17<ml|>sney`: the adobe flash
11:18<sney`>yep, flashplugin-nonfree is the first result on aptitude search
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11:18<ml|>Lomion: ^^^
11:18<sney`>seems to have installed, let's try youtube
11:19<sney`>it works!
11:19<craigevil>Lomion: flashplugin-nonfree has 64 bit version
11:19<ml|>Lomion: do you have non-free in sources.list or dmm
11:19<ml|>!win sney`
11:19<dpkg>Congratulations, sney`! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
11:20<SuperMiguel>!win SuperMiguel
11:20<dpkg>Congratulations, SuperMiguel! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
11:20<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about selftell
11:20<SuperMiguel>i wanted you guys to know :) that i wont too
11:21<ml|>seems you both won the same prize ;P
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11:22<Lomion>flashplugin-nonfree doesen't work though, but thanks for the blatantly flippant tone :)
11:22<Lomion>you need the separate 64 bit build for amd 64
11:23<ml|>!doesn't work
11:23<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
11:23<dpkg>smug is probably at
11:23<craigevil>if your on a 64but install doing apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree (testing/sid) works just fine, if your on stable you need to use bpo
11:23<ml|>Lomion: i guess sney` and craigevil are lying then
11:25<sney`>I'm on testing
11:25<sney`>I'm always on testing
11:25<sney`>I kinda forget sometimes, sorry :(
11:25<sney`>also: haha 64but
11:26<ml|>i prefer a 32but ;)
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11:27<Lomion>craigevil Forgive me if I'm slow, what's bpo?
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11:28<ml|>dpkg: tell Lomion about bpo
11:28<Pulpo>Lomion: FUCK YOU!
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11:28<drakeman>mentor, kick Pulpo please!! same flooder!
11:28<Pulpo>ml|: FUCK YOU
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11:28<Lomion>Pulpo <3
11:28<Pulpo>drakeman: FUCK YOU
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11:28<SuperMiguel>#kick Pulpo
11:29<Lomion>mm so backports
11:29<Lomion>well I've got them in my sources.list
11:29<Lomion>and I've done the updates
11:29<craigevil>apt-get install -t lenny-backports flashplugin-nonfree
11:29<Lomion>still, flashplugin-nonfree will not run for opera
11:29<Lomion>Yeah I did that about 45 minutes ago, to no avail
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11:30<Lomion>can't remeber what the error was though, hold on
11:30<craigevil>i dont run 64bit but flash works fine in opera on 32bit
11:30<sney`>well since opera isn't installed by apt I can't imagine the apt version of flashplugin-nonfree would know where to put the .so so it would work in opera
11:30<craigevil>chances are its a opera problem, look through the opera forums or irc
11:30<sney`>or so opera would see it
11:31<craigevil>opera can be installed with apt if you use the opera repo
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11:31<Lomion>Hm I think I installed opera via apt by adding their repos
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11:31<Lomion>yeah, what craigevil said
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11:31<sney`>still, it's unofficial
11:31<craigevil>either way its still a piece of non-free crap
11:31<Lomion>what is, opera?
11:31<sney`>now now we don't need to have a browser war
11:32<sney`>we already have enough trolls as it is :P
11:32<Lomion>Just waiting for chrome to be available for linux tbh
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11:32<craigevil>opera: Installed: 10.00.4402.gcc4.qt3
11:32<Lomion>same as me
11:32<sney`>chrome is available but plugin support is pending
11:32<ml|>any problem with using iceweasel?
11:33<Lomion>Yeah I saw that bit earlier and tried it, but like you said - lacking a lot of plugin support
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11:33<craigevil>flash supposedly works in the latest build
11:33<Lomion>it'll be good when it's proper though
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11:33<Lomion>might be worth another look then
11:34<sney`>I wonder if the linux version has the disappearing checkboxes issue
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11:35<craigevil>wonders how google plans on making a chrome os with linux kernel when they cant even build a linux chrome browser
11:35<sney`>well the chrome os is just a stripped down ubuntu
11:36<sney`>and they'll iron out the browser kinks, maybe
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11:37<locklace>the idea of stripping down ubuntu is absurd
11:38<Kjetil_>the idea of using ubuntu is absurd
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11:43<Shinsaku>u sure they gonna use ubuntu?
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11:55<Lomion>god this flash thing is doing my head in
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11:55<Lomion>I've gone as far as trying to replace my with the 32 bit versio from another system
11:55<Lomion>still won't cut it
11:56<Lomion>I know I had it working a couple of days ago before I reinstalled
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11:56<locklace>you need to rethink your approach
11:57<Lomion>Think so? ^^
11:57<locklace>doing random things in hopes they'll magically make everything work without understanding the system is one of the many roads to fail
11:57<abrotman>what's wrong with the flash ?
11:57<Lomion>well wasn't exactly random. It was actually suggested by the wiki for the installation of flash?
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11:57<Lomion>But I get what you're saying.
11:58<Lomion>abrotman, I'm using lenny on a 64 bit AMD system and I just can't find a way to install flashplayer
11:58<abrotman>using the 64bit alpha flash from adobe?
11:58<Lomion>Aye I
11:58<Lomion>Aye, I've downloaded that one, tar'd it and got the .so file
11:59<abrotman>and if you go to about:plugins .. is there any flash listed ?
11:59<Lomion>Hang on
11:59<ml|>abrotman: he uses opera
11:59<Lomion>about:plugins works in just about every browser :)
11:59<Lomion>not just firefox
12:00<Lomion>But more to the point, It doesen't show because I don't know yet where in the dir structure of opera it places it's plugins.
12:00<abrotman>though did he check if flash works in like IW or epiphany?
12:00<ml|>oh didn't know that used opera breifly, now i know :P
12:00<Lomion>I'm in the process of figuring that part out right now.
12:00<abrotman>Lomion: opera can find plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
12:00<Lomion>ml| hey look, I got to teach you something! :D
12:00<ml|>Lomion: haha
12:01<Lomion><- now a lvl 2 nerd
12:01<drakeman>ml|, i read the show part in man aptiude it says to i have to write =<version> after the name of the package but dont know if im doing wrong but dont works for me, judd works better :D
12:01<Lomion>abrotman thanks man, I'll have a look
12:01<abrotman>drakeman: do you have more than one version available to you?
12:02<Lomion>So you're suggesting I just replace that with the 64-bit alpha version?
12:02<arw>ahora sí drakeman, cuénteme
12:02<drakeman>abrotman, im using testing, but i want to see the sid version of the package, i have sid repos in my sources.list.
12:02<abrotman>Lomion: is there a there now ?
12:02<arw>wrong channel
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12:03<abrotman>drakeman: apt-cache policy foo .. how many do you see ?
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12:03<ml|>drakeman: just aptitude show and compare with judd told you
12:03<Lomion>abrotman: yeah the 32 bit version I think
12:04<Lomion>abrotman: Replaced that one with the alpha. let's try it out
12:04<drakeman>ml|, i get the version 3.0.1 not the one in judd message.
12:04<Lomion>Works, awesome. Thanks for the path, I was looking for a plugin folder in opera.
12:05<abrotman>Lomion: /usr/lib/opera/plugins/ should have worked too .. but probably not with another one floating around on your system
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12:06<Lomion>You're quite right, there was most likely a conflict I didn't realise was even there.
12:06<Lomion>Now, I've almost got everything I feel I need sorted.
12:07<Lomion>Only my shite USB headset left to install. And after that, with some luck - hoping to get ventrilo running.
12:08<ml|>Lomion: make a note for future reference and congrats
12:08<ml|>drakeman: you replaced the versions already correct?
12:09<drakeman>ml|, yes, but i removed it again, to see if i can installl the one from sid.
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12:09<Lomion>ml| already did :) Been making a lot of em lately
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12:10<ml|>!congratulate Lomion
12:10<dpkg>Good show Lomion, you did it!
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12:11<ml|>drakeman: so you haven't install unstable version yet?
12:11<arw>drakeman: the thing that you need is mix sytem between stable and sid
12:12<drakeman>ml|, no because i want to know the version first from my aptitude :D.
12:12<drakeman>ml|, i know is the same from judd, but i want to know how to do it..
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12:12<arw>drakeman: does not matter, that is the way, a mix system
12:12<drakeman>arw, i just want openoffice from sid, all the others packages from testing :D
12:13<drakeman>arw, i can do aptitude -t unstable install but i want to know the version first.
12:13<ml|>drakeman: if you do it like i showed you before you will install unstable version for sure
12:13<arw>drakeman: now, you can use apt-show-versions | fgrep /testing ...
12:14<drakeman>ml|, this way aptitude -t unstable install
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12:14<ml|>drakeman: aptitude update && aptitude install -t unstable
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12:16<drakeman>ml|, well, i going to do it in that way, but i just want to know if there is a way to see the versoin first from aptitude only for reference.
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12:16<sbp>ml|: remember trying to help me with that debian on an intel mac mini?
12:17<ml|>drakeman: try what arw said change to unstable
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12:17<ml|>sbp: a bit, got it working?
12:18<sbp>once i installed refit(which i dont understand why yet) it worked like a charm, as in where other installs just worked from the default cd install
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12:19<ml|>sbp: refit on usb?
12:19<ml|>boot from that?
12:19<sbp>nope just installed osx, then refit, then did the debian installation cd, then installed grub-pc, to the 3rd partition /dev/sda3 for me
12:20<ml|>ah so you reinstall OS X
12:20<sbp>so its not standalone like i wanted it, but the osx partition is only like 15GB so im happy w/ that
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12:21<drakeman>ml|, ok...
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12:23<ml|>maybe check if refit has irc channel, search or email them, but booting from usbstick should be possible without having to have OS X installed, just a thought
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12:39<ml|>drakeman: apt-show-versions is for stable/testing mix not testing/unstable mix
12:39<drakeman>ml|, ok.... well i always read that mix versions is not a good idea, so maybe i will keep the testing version.
12:40<Lomion>Is there a way to browse graphical themes?
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12:41<ml|>drakeman: that is for mixing stable/testing, but you are using testing so it won't hurt you
12:42<drakeman>ml|, :D ok!!
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12:44<ml|>drakeman: testing and unstable are very close but stable testing or stable unstable are far apart why it is not recommended, understand better now?
12:44<drakeman>ml|, yes... i get it...
12:45<drakeman>ml|, i m going to try it again from unstable to see what version i guet... when i arrive to home and ill tell you.
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12:45<ml|>drakeman: you will get the version from unstable :)
12:46<drakeman>ml|, i hope so, because i thing i ran the command yesterday and i see in the downloading packages a 3.0.1, but i will check that later.
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12:47<ml|>drakeman: did you use aptitude install -t unstable ?
12:47<drakeman>ml|, yes,
12:47<drakeman>ml|, but i will try again later... and i tell u.
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12:48<ml|>remember to update first and make sure sources.list is in order
12:48<drakeman>ml|, yes.
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12:51<ml|>drakeman: sources.list should look someting like this ... <-- that uses US repos
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12:53<drakeman>ml|, yes, and i have a preferences file too, and apt.conf file to set the default version.
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12:54<ml|>ok, just incase
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12:56<drakeman>ml|, i have the unstable in preference with 300 in pin priority
12:56<drakeman>ml|, and 750 for testing
12:57<ml|>drakeman: i don't use pinning just apt.conf
12:57<drakeman>ml|, ok!!
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13:10<k1lumin4t1>I'm trying to get amsn2 through svn but it fails. I'm using this command:
13:10<k1lumin4t1>svn co
13:10<k1lumin4t1>and this is the message I get back:
13:10<k1lumin4t1>svn: OPTIONS of '': could not connect to server (
13:11<locklace>!dbugs 531338
13:11<dpkg>DONE:#531338:N[subversion] svn: OPTIONS of 'http://...': could not connect to server (http://...) (); Sun, 31 May 2009 17:27:01 UTC []
13:12<k1lumin4t1>locklace, and that means?
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13:14<Lomion>hm, have they changed the syntax for find?
13:14<Lomion>wasn't it apt-cache find <term> ?
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13:16<k1lumin4t1>locklace, thanks. done
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13:17<ml|>Lomion: apt-cache search or aptitude search
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13:41<Lomion>are there known issues with Opera, 64 bit, flash and 100% CPU usage?
13:43<abrotman>blame flash
13:43<Lomion>I do
13:43<Lomion>Funny thing is
13:43<abrotman>opera has a way to turn off plugins
13:44<Lomion>in FF it's fine. Just seems like opera doesen't shut flash down properly
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13:46<n3lab>does anybody know links to some good howto build virtual hosting on lenny? :)
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13:49<SuperMiguel>whats the best windows manager for a debian server?
13:49<SuperMiguel>i want one to manage virtual machines
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13:50<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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13:50<SuperMiguel>well gnome installs to many stuff
13:50<SuperMiguel>is there a way to install a strip down gnome?
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13:51<loudergood_>you want something light?
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13:51<SuperMiguel>loudergood_, yes
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13:52<Loudergood>try xfce
13:52<SuperMiguel>aptitue install xfce?
13:52<cahoot>ssh -X?
13:53<SuperMiguel>ssh -X?
13:53<cahoot>ssh to the server
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13:53<SuperMiguel>i want a windows manager to manage vmware server..
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13:56<drakeman>see you back guys...
13:56<drakeman>ml|, i tell you the results later :D
13:56<viqas>Lomion, i dont have any problems with opera
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14:02<wozza>awesome window manager is light and good for admins
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14:03<wozza>as it divides the screen into boxes like a layout manager
14:05<abrotman>what's wrong with screen ?
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14:14<cahoot>too minmalistic beautywise?
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14:28<leikh>I've configured Exim4 to use SMTP-AUTH with TLS and SASL (ref But still I can send mail without authenticating. I have no freakin' idea what's wrong :-/
14:28<leikh>I should have written "I think I've configured...."
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14:41<petemc>leikh: exim4 -bh
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14:45<leikh>petemc: after "220 ESMTP....." I get "500 unrecognized command"
14:46<petemc>you need to go through a smtp transaction
14:46<petemc>mail from: , rcpt to:
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14:54<leikh>hmm... I get a 501 message, no matter what i put in from and rcpt to...
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14:55<petemc>stop exim, run exim4 -d -bd , then try to send a mail
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14:58<leikh>send mail how?
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15:01<petemc>leikh: how were you sending mail when you decided it was a problem you can send without authenticating?
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15:03<leikh>petemc: remote client. After exim4 -d -bd, I can't send.
15:04<petemc>ctl c that, start exim normally, has the problem gone away?
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15:06<leikh>petemc: yes, now I can send.
15:06<petemc>when you ran exim4 -d -bd, did you notice the daemon starting?
15:06<petemc>you seem to be making this very hard
15:07<leikh>petemc: could be that I use port 465?
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15:07<petemc>that shouldnt matter
15:08<petemc>do you understand what you're doing when running exim4 -d -bd ?
15:08<leikh>well, when I start with exim4 -d -bd, I can only see that it's listening on 25
15:10<petemc>how did you configure it to listen on port 465?
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15:11<leikh>petemc: with SMTPLISTENEROPTIONS='-oX 465:25 -oP /var/run/exim4/'
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15:12<leikh>I changed client to 25 now, and auth. I can send. I'll have a look at exim output
15:13<flag>hi any iptables gurus?
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15:15<locklace>!tell flag about ask
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15:16<leikh>petemc: output is to big for terminal. How can I output to file?
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15:17<petemc>leikh: i think its on stderr, do redirect that to a file
15:17<flag>@locklace: thanks
15:19<flag>hi, i'm running debian lenny and use iptables as my firewall, i was wondering if you need ot explicitly allow dhcp in my iptables far it's been working despite the fact that any input not specified should be logged and dropped ( I see no signs of it in the logs)....I read somewhere that dhcp uses 'raw packets' and iptables can't detect this what's going on?
15:20<locklace>flag: dhcp uses udp.
15:21<flag>locklace: then why is internet working?
15:21<locklace>so, in particular, whoever said "dhcp uses 'raw packets' and iptables can't detect it" is a fucking idiot. just to set the record straight.
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15:22<flag>locklace: lol thanks cleared that up
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15:22<locklace>flag: paste the output of "iptables -vL" to
15:23<Lomion>what's with all the trolls?
15:23<flag>locklace: k
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15:24<petemc>flag: i think there is something to do with the kernel and packet socket that means dhcp may be able to traverse firewalls
15:24<locklace>petemc: what?
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15:25<petemc>locklace: dhcp requires the packet socket option in the kernel, thats raw packets
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15:26<leikh>petemc: first auth-related stuff I see is "Authenticators: cram_md5 cyrus_sasl dovecot plaintext spa"
15:26<locklace>petemc: why? dhcp is a udp protocol.
15:26<petemc>locklace: you should should see it doing a number of tests to decide whether to allow the mail
15:27<leikh>petemc: next "host in auth_advertise_hosts? yes (matched "*") "
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15:27<petemc>you dont need to repeat every one here, read it yourself
15:27<locklace>flag: it's working because of the rule on line 5.
15:28<locklace>flag: for eth0, that is. for wlan0 everything is passed.
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15:28<flag>locklace:...thanks i feel really dumb
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15:29<flag>but what was that about the packt socket option?
15:29<flag>because I also read somewhere that dhcp was a udp protocol as well
15:29<locklace>it is a udp protocol, just like bootp.
15:30<locklace>flag: btw you should fix that rule by removing the "related" option, and adding a new rule with "related" only for icmp
15:30<flag>locklace: wouldn't that restrict stuff like ftp as well?
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15:32<locklace>flag: depends on what you're doing. ordinary passive-mode ftp client operation will still work fine.
15:33<leikh>petemc: I still have no clue why exim doesn't require auth...
15:33<flag>locklace: i see so sftp should still work fine too? do you know if there's any other protocols (other than icmp) which requires the RELATED state?
15:34<petemc>leikh: if one tests passes in an acl, no further tests are done for that acl
15:35<locklace>flag: sftp is ssh, so completely different from ftp (and much simpler). and the reason i suggested the change is that odds are you're not doing anything that requires that "related" tag, except icmp.
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15:36<flag>locklace: right but i was wondering if sftp used the same general model as ftp? I can't seem to find a passive mode anywhere in its man page
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15:36<enouf>ssh has a passive mode?
15:36<locklace>flag: no, it's just ssh.
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15:37<hyperionSUCKS>Nehyx hyperionSUCKS drakeman bja nexraf riomare1 Lomion jemark amphi midlis flag brendan_ vsayer T_X__ grochap mastropif abrotman Spami|Thug user01 noflash leikh rudi_s loudergood davi cordoban magu Pitxyoki|loading cahoot Shinsaku craigevil ajaNehyx hyperionSUCKS drakeman bja nexraf riomare1 Lomion jemark amphi midlis flag brendan_ vsayer T_X__ grochap mastropif abrotman Spami|Thug user01 noflash leikh rudi_s loudergood davi cord
15:37<flag>locklace: thanks for the tip
15:37<hyperionSUCKS>Nehyx hyperionSUCKS drakeman bja nexraf riomare1 Lomion jemark amphi midlis flag brendan_ vsayer T_X__ grochap mastropif abrotman Spami|Thug user01 noflash leikh rudi_s loudergood davi cordoban magu Pitxyoki|loading cahoot Shinsaku craigevil ajaNehyx hyperionSUCKS drakeman bja nexraf riomare1 Lomion jemark amphi midlis flag brendan_ vsayer T_X__ grochap mastropif abrotman Spami|Thug user01 noflash leikh rudi_s loudergood davi cord
15:38<hyperionSUCKS>Nehyx hyperionSUCKS drakeman bja nexraf riomare1 Lomion jemark amphi midlis flag brendan_ vsayer T_X__ grochap mastropif abrotman Spami|Thug user01 noflash leikh rudi_s loudergood davi cordoban magu Pitxyoki|loading cahoot Shinsaku craigevil ajavid arw `villain` viqas Noven madrescher obluda FourtyTruth [machine] kfe chealer Zviper Sixtyfivebit stroyan Jb_boin dr|z3d ivan` tjol_ AzaToth Jids DanC82 linac Kumool kutio QPrime sney`
15:38<locklace>!ops the moron is back
15:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: locklace complains about: the moron is back
15:38<hyperionSUCKS>!ops FUCKERS
15:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hyperionsucks complains about: FUCKERS
15:38<AzaToth>I though tor was banned from freenode
15:38<hyperionSUCKS>!ops IDIOTS
15:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hyperionsucks complains about: IDIOTS
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15:38<enouf>this isn't freenode
15:38<AzaToth>ah, this isn't freenode ツ
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15:39<AzaToth>enouf: but they should be autobanned here as well ツ
15:39<enouf>AzaToth: dunno
15:39<locklace>AzaToth: no.
15:39<AzaToth>meant "should"
15:39<leikh>petemc: so, because rcpt is local, the auth part is skipped?
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15:39<Kumool>AzaToth, i heard someone from the staff say theyre planning something similar
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15:39<leikh>petemc: if so, how can I set auth before helo?
15:39<enouf>AzaToth: this is
15:39<AzaToth>enouf: I know
15:40<AzaToth>enouf: meant that they should implement to ban tor
15:40<AzaToth>here as well
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15:41<flag>locklace: thanks for the tip before, about my original question...i do have to explicitly allow dhcp?
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15:42<drakeman>ml|, you have any idea why when i do aptitude update, then safe-upgrade apt is trying to get few packages, like tar, from sid, and with my apt pinning conf.. it shouldnt do that, only if i specifiy a package from unstable..
15:42<locklace>flag: not for basic request/response operation, it's handled by the "state established"
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15:42<locklace>flag: i'm doing the same thing now
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15:43<enouf>drakeman: your pinning is off then, unless it's a bug, see BTS
15:44<flag>locklace: ah right...forgot...thanks
15:44<enouf>drakeman: or, tar is a depends on another pkg you're installing
15:44<flag>locklace: is there such a case where the dhcp server will contact you first? i'm getting traces of that in my log
15:45<enouf>usually the server is chatty - especially windows :-p
15:45<drakeman>enouf, pinning is not off, dont think a bug either, now i disable the sid lines in sources.list, and he is trying to get the same packages from sqqueeze.
15:46<drakeman>enouf, maybe aptitutde is trying to get the packages from sid, because are the same in both releases?
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15:46<petemc>leikh: its normal to be able to send mail from outside to local users without auth, thats kind of how mail works
15:48<leikh>petemc: yes, I kind of just realized that...
15:49<enouf>drakeman: when i say 'off' i mean priority settings (-1 to 1001) .. besides, are you aware of backports?
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15:53<drakeman>enouf, im using testing
15:53<TiMiDo>drakeman: use sid ;X much better.
15:53<drakeman>enouf, but if i disable the sid repositories from sources.list aptitude get the sames file from testing repos.
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15:58<drakeman>ml|, with the command apt-cache policy i get the info of the version from both sources, but the candidate to install is the one from testing
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16:00<drakeman>enouf, the number in the /etc/apt/preferences are 650 for sid, 700 for testing
16:02<flag>can anyone tell me when the dhcp server will try to initiate a conversation?
16:02<locklace>flag: dhcp is client-driven. probably what you're seeing are broadcasts (packets destined to the all-1s address,
16:03<flag>locklace: actually the destination is my box's ip address, it even has the mac addr
16:04<flag>locklace: i'm guessing it's dhcp because source port is 67 dest port is 68 and it's udp
16:06<locklace>flag: could be your server is doing something strange; lots of dhcp servers out there that act in different ways. i don't see anything but broadcasts in my drop logs, for instance.
16:06<locklace>flag: as long as things are working for you you should be able to safely ignore it
16:07<flag>locklace: ok, but later that day my box crashed...i'm right now in the middle of trying to figure out what the cause is
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16:07<flag>locklace: it said something about tg3_stop_block timing out
16:07<flag>locklace: thanks for all your help so far
16:08<locklace>flag: you might want to start from the beginning on that one. ;)
16:08<flag>locklace: thanks one last question directed at you
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16:08<flag>locklace: it is safe to ignore all the broadcast traffic? my log is filing up with other people's dhcp requests...
16:09<locklace>flag: yeah, not only is it safe, it's beneficial. then your stack doesn't have to process all those useless messages
16:10<flag>locklace: thanks again for all your help
16:10<stroyan>flag: It is normal to have DHCP broadcast traffic. Since DHCP is talking between a DHCP server with an unknown IP address and a client with not assigned IP address.
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16:11<flag>stroyan: right, so i was wondering if i could just drop all broadcast traffic because it's filling up my logs
16:11<stroyan>flag: I have noticed that some clients are far too chatty when they have multiple NICs on one subnet. They ask for renewal on one NIC, then consume the reply on the other NIC, ignoring it.
16:12<leikh>petemc: auth is now working if I tell my client to use it. But I can also tell client to just skip auth, and I'm still able to send to remote addresses :-/
16:12<enouf>drakeman: IME, sid should be much lower, so only (or almost always) when you use apt with the -t option will it pull from sid
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16:12<craigevil>drakeman: try setting sid to a lower number like 102, i use 101 for exp
16:12<drakeman>craigevil, ok..
16:12<stroyan>flag: You certainly can't drop broadcast traffic when first requesting a DHCP lease. The only reply is a broadcast.
16:12<drakeman>enouf, now im installing openoffice from sid, aptitude -t unstable install
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16:13<flag>stroyan: but wouldn't that reply fall under the ESTABLISHED state?
16:13<leikh>petemc: is it because I've added my ip to "Machines to relay mail for"?
16:13<petemc>leikh: then you should examine the output of running exim in debug mode to see why that is?
16:13<enouf>drakeman: ahh .. perhaps safe-upgrade will indeed pull from the upper target (sid/unstable) *if* the pkg versions in both testing and unstable are the same -- yet, as i say, pinning should be much lower
16:13<petemc>leikh: well, that would do it
16:14<leikh>petemc: so, how do I configure exim to allow relay after auth?
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16:14<petemc>accept authenticated = * in the rcpt acl
16:14<stroyan>flag: I don't see how UDP could ever be in an ESTABLISHED state.
16:15<flag>stroygan: when you receive a reply to UDP packet you sent, it is considered ESTABLISHED
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16:16<flag>stroyan: however, that may only be if the source and dest addresses secified...not sure about broadcast
16:17<drakeman>enouf, yes, like i said before when i did a safe-upgrade aptitude starts to download tar package from sid, so i cancell it, then i ran safe-upgrade again with sid lines commented in sources.list and aptitude start to get the same packages from squeeze, so when the packages are the same he uses sid to to download.... :D
16:18<stroyan>flag: It would seem very wrong that one broadcast UDP packet would make any broadcast from all other systems "ESTABLISHED"
16:18<leikh>petemc: in 30_exim4-config_check_rcpt, that's default - and the reason I don't understand...
16:18<flag>stroyan: lol you have an excellent point there
16:19<flag>stroyan: however in that case, my iptables should be dropping and logging the dhcp offers
16:20<flag>stroyan: but i'm still able to connect to the internet
16:20<stroyan>flag: The dhclient is probably using a raw socket that does not use iptables at all.
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16:21<flag>stroyan: excellent, that means it doesn't matter whether i block or accept broadcast traffic in my iptables rigth?
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16:22<stroyan>flag: That is right.... Unless the dhclient program switched from a raw socket to another socket in some situations. That seems unlikely.
16:23<flag>stroyan: great, so i can proceed to just drop all my broadcast traffic? instead of logging and then dropping them?
16:24<stroyan>flag: yes
16:24<flag>stroyan: thank you for your help
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16:26<Nehyx>(general message): ByE!!! / Adios!!! :)
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16:29<locklace>flag: you can easily find out if a raw socket is in use with netstat -aw or cat /proc/net/raw
16:29<locklace>but afaik dhclient does not use one, although some dhcp clients have been known to
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16:29<locklace>and the whole "raw socket bypasses iptables" thing is complete and total fail
16:30<flag>locklace: agreed...dhcp is really not the best protocol....
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16:30<locklace>dhcp is not the problem; clueless linux network implementors are the problem
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16:32<flag>locklace: yes...well worst part is, it can't be changed too radically....otherwise everything would break
16:32<enouf>drakeman: i never use aptitude, so i wouldn't know
16:32<drakeman>enouf, you use apt-get? but everythings fine, is installed now :D
16:33<drakeman>enouf, craigevil , thanks for the help!
16:33<drakeman>ml|, everyghint is fine now, i have the 3.1 from sid working!
16:33<stroyan>locklace: I see a log of LPF raw socket connection from a lenny system's dhclient at
16:33<drakeman>just i have one doubt, the commmand to know the differents versions from a program is apt-cache policy nameofthepackage?
16:34<drakeman>to know the differntes version available from sid, testing, etc.
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16:34<bja>drakeman: easiest way "judd: versions package" here on the channel
16:35<drakeman>bja, but i dont want judd, i want my aptitude :D
16:35<drakeman>the only command i found well somebodys here told me is apt-cache policy packagename
16:35<arw>drakeman: be quiet, read the man a, de debian man
16:36<arw>Debian's manual lenny
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16:38<drakeman>arw, you are mean
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16:42<locklace>stroyan: dunno. the whole situation with various types and modes of linux raw sockets and filter workarounds all languishing in various stages of undocumented obsolescence is enough to make me convert to islam and disembowel myself with a rusty pitchfork, not necessarily in that order
16:42<stroyan>locklace: That is not the answer. You should create a newer better raw socket interface. ;-)
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16:43<stroyan>locklace: Or... was that the problem.
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16:44<enouf>drakeman: apt-cache policy is one nice way, yes
16:45<burnclouds>Hey, I have a wireless card on a desktop running squeeze that I use wicd to configure.
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16:45<burnclouds>the wired interface works fine
16:45<flag>hi my box crashed a couple of days ago....when i looked at the screen it was filled with 'tg3_stop_block time out'...anyone have a clue?
16:45<drakeman>enouf, thanks xD
16:45<flag>var/log/messages says eth0 ate my ip address
16:46<burnclouds>the wireless gets an IP address from the dhcp server and I can ping external IP's and visit websites if ik now the IP address.
16:46<burnclouds>but when I try to do a DNS lookup it times out
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16:46<enouf>isn't tg3 a NIC kernel module?
16:46<burnclouds>the wired and wireless go to the same router and resolv.conf is the same for both
16:46<burnclouds>I hove other boxes on wifi working fine.
16:47<burnclouds>any ideas?
16:47<enouf>yep description: Broadcom Tigon3 ethernet driver .. pass it the debug option
16:48<enouf>parm: tg3_debug:Tigon3 bitmapped debugging message enable value (int)
16:48<locklace>flag: sounds like an old tg3 driver problem. what kernel version are you using? has it only happened once or is it repeatable?
16:49<flag>it's just a clean install of lenny kernel 2.6.26-2-686
16:49<flag>so far it's happened once i believe...i had the box starting 3 weeks ago
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16:51<locklace>flag: well, you can enable the debug and hope enough info gets logged the next time it happens to pass along to the driver developers, or switch to a newer kernel version and hope it's fixed
16:51<flag> do that i use modprobe rigth?
16:52<stroyan>burnclouds: Can the wireless mode ping the IP address listed as the DNS server in resolv.conf?
16:52<kop>flag : I always tend to use a newer kernel first. (See Developers prefer bug reports against what's most recent....
16:52<flag>kop: ah....yes i should get to compiling my first kernel....
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16:53<locklace>yeah. 2.6.30 is a good kernel anyway, worth running that one and then enabling debug on that if it happens again
16:53<burnclouds>stroyan: yes or any other IP that should return
16:53<flag>thanks all for the suggestions and advice
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16:54<burnclouds>I've tried using my router dns server, my ISP's dns server, and OpenDNS servers. All with the same results.
16:56<locklace>burnclouds: do you have any iptables rules filtering traffic?
16:56<burnclouds>don't think so. I used to have firestarter but i have since uninstalled that. (the debian way)
16:56<locklace>burnclouds: check with "iptables -Lv"
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16:57<locklace>burnclouds: er, "iptables -vL"
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16:57<burnclouds>oh, ok there is one reject line
16:58<burnclouds>udp -- any any anywhere anywhere
16:58<locklace>that would do it. ;)
16:58<burnclouds>ok but why does the wired work?
16:59<locklace>dunno. you could paste the whole output somewhere and we could debug it, or you could just kill the rules and try again
16:59<burnclouds>and will apt-get remove --purge iptables fix my problem
16:59<locklace>burnclouds: just do "iptables --flush" for now
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17:01<burnclouds>the flush fixed it.
17:02<burnclouds>so firestarter uninstall didn't cleanly uninstall
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17:03<burnclouds>but can you tell me why the wired worked?
17:03<stroyan>burnclouds: line 18 of your pastebin accepts udp from eth0. But there is no similar line for eth1.
17:03<burnclouds>ah! duh!
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17:04<burnclouds>Thank you all sorry I didn't think of iptables! ::face-palm:: [hands in geek card]
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18:03<cozziak>hello, can anyone help me to boot debian on a usb disk via floppy disk please.
18:04<cozziak>i have successfully done this with dsl, but cannot find the resources to do this with debian. thanks.
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18:20<ml|>!congratulate drakeman
18:20<dpkg>Yay drakeman, you did it!
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18:45<pbi>hello, how am i supposed to do to get tigon3 firmware on unstable ?
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18:47<SuperMiguel>umm i just installed debian and i cant install anything using apt-get install
18:47<SuperMiguel>any idea?
18:48<SuperMiguel>i ping
18:48<rumbarg>what's in your sources list ?
18:48<SuperMiguel>so i have internet
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18:48<ml|>did you mess with source.list and/or do apt-get update first?
18:48<pbi>what is the error message ?
18:48<SuperMiguel>apt-get update first
18:49<SuperMiguel>well i opened sourcces to remove the cd
18:49<SuperMiguel>ran apt-get update
18:49<ml|>yes 'aptitude update'
18:49<SuperMiguel>the error says cant find the package
18:50<SuperMiguel>sources i have deb /lenny/updates main. deb-src /lenny/updates main.
18:50<vook>you'll need more than that
18:50<ml|>!non-free sources
18:50<dpkg>[non-free sources] edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
18:50<SuperMiguel>and deb lenny/volatile main, deb-src lenny/volatile main
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18:51<vook>SuperMiguel: do try 'aptitude update' followed by 'aptitude dist-upgrade'
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18:52<SuperMiguel>did that
18:52<ml|>!dmm lenny
18:52<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
18:52<abrotman>he still doesn't have a main source ?
18:52<abrotman>what does DMM have to do with a missing main source ?
18:53<SuperMiguel>adding: deb lenny main contrib non-free
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18:53<abrotman>i'd add "deb lenny main contrib non-free"
18:54<bash> error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
18:54<ml|>i'm just suggesting he add those to his source.list
18:54<bash>I located it and it is in /usr/lib :/
18:54<abrotman>bash: running what?
18:54<SuperMiguel>brb rebooting
18:54<abrotman>SuperMiguel: why?
18:54<ml|>abrotman: why not?
18:54<bash>Trying to install google Earth
18:54<abrotman>ml|: he didn't ask for anything from DMM ..
18:54<abrotman>bash: ldd shows it pointing there ?
18:55<abrotman>it's a command, try it
18:55<bash>but isn't /usr/lib standard?ed?
18:56<bash>ldd what?
18:56<vook>abrotman is to fast for me.
18:56<ml|>so, many people don't know about dmm and whatever he is trying to install might be from there, plus it does not hurt to have dmm in sources.list does it?
18:56<bash>like whats the rest of the command?
18:56<abrotman>ml|: i know hundreds of other sources .. you should add them all
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18:57<ml|>abrotman: those are the main ones and you know it
18:57<abrotman>ml|: they even add software that people find useful .. you really need them
18:57<abrotman>ml|: no, i don't have them, never have
18:57<bash>bash@debian:~$ ldd '/home/bash/Desktop/GoogleEarthLinux.bin'
18:57<bash> not a dynamic executable
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18:57<ml|>well it's your choice he doesn't have to add them i'm just suggesting
18:57<abrotman>but he didn't ask for anything from them
18:57<bash>do i have to do, sudo chmod +x?
18:57<ml|>so what
18:58<abrotman>ml|: i'm going to give you 10 sources .. add them all, even though you'llnever installanything from them
18:58<ml|>abrotman: i never said you must add these
18:58<bash>t be pointless if you dont use them?
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18:59<abrotman>bash: thank you for backing me up :)
19:00<ml|>plase we are talking about non-free and dmm ONLY
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19:01<bash>There are both installed...
19:01<abrotman>bash: file /home/bash/Desktop/GoogleEarthLinux.bin ... says what ?
19:01<bash>and both of them are in usr/lib
19:02<bash>/home/bash/Desktop/GoogleEarthLinux.bin: POSIX shell script text executable
19:03<abrotman>is there a setup.gtk2 ?
19:04<bash>just one bin file...
19:04<abrotman>can you paste the script ?
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19:05<bash>Its the google installer...
19:05<bash>Google earth*
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19:12<bash>no one can fix my prob?
19:12<bash>They are both installed and are in /usr/lib
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19:14<abrotman>i can't even get it downloaded
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19:18<abrotman>bash: it works fine here
19:18<rumbarg>bash: are you saying that you've got and ?
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19:19<bash>Yes i don
19:20<bash>They are in /usr/lib
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19:22<bash>& /usr/lib/
19:22<bash>abrotman: are you running x64?
19:23<stroyan>bash: Are you running on a 64 bit install? The google earth executables may be 32 bit, requiring different libraries.
19:23<abrotman>bash: i'm not rich like you!
19:23<abrotman>bah .. there's a package called like ia32-libs
19:23<bash>you dont have to be rich to have 64bit...
19:23<bash>its in practically everything...
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19:26<bash>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
19:26<bash> ia32-libs: Depends: ia32-apt-get (>= 21) but it is not going to be installed
19:26<bash>E: Broken packages
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19:27<bash>i think i found a way to install it.
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19:28*abrotman thinks this is a lot of work for Google Earth
19:30<dr|z3d>Gotta love google, they install a separate copy of wine for each app. :/
19:31<ml|>instaed of making native apps
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19:31<dr|z3d>Using the os-installed Wine would be a definite improvement on their current nonsense.
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19:32<craigevil>doesnt googleearth-package build a deb that you can install
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19:35<dr|z3d>Quite probably.
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20:08<dondelelcaro>it's *is* silenced, though.
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20:14<deniz>why can't i see the text in anything i try to open with the gedit/nano etc commands but can see the text in it?? im talking about things like xorg.conf, sources.list shows, this isn't squeeze, it's lenny the xorg.conf should not be blank, i also have xorg.conf backups in other folders and they are also blank when opened with something other than can somebody please help?
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20:18<rumbarg>missing fonts ?
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20:19<DeepDayze>sounds like it
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20:21<rumbarg>howdy -
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20:23<craigevil>deniz: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
20:23<DeepDayze>hi rumbarg
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20:27<schnauzer>I keep getting a "packages kept back" message from apt, even after doing a dist-upgrade. Is there any way around this?
20:28<dr|z3d>schnauzer: Best to wait for the relevant dependencies to become available.
20:28<deniz>craigevil, thaat didn't really do anything
20:29<craigevil>try logging out
20:29<deniz>craigevil, k, ill be bak
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20:29<schnauzer>dr|z3d, Meaning I am at the mercy of the repository maintainers?
20:29<craigevil>sometime text files that have root permission will can be opened as user but they will be blank
20:29<drakeman>ml|, thanks :D
20:30<dr|z3d>schnauzer: In essence, yes.
20:30<schnauzer>ok, thanks
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20:30<craigevil>schnauzer: running testing/sid?
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20:31<schnauzer>no, i just switched from Ubuntu and am using the "main" repository
20:31<schnauzer>is testing relatively stable?
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20:31<DeepDayze>testing is fairly stable
20:32<DeepDayze>of course not as stable as stable itself
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20:32<rocky>hello, I'm installing debian on a fairly old machine, and might need some help at some point :)
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20:34<deniz>craigevil, right now i can see my xorg backups with gedit but not the actual xorg.conf
20:34<rocky>darn it, I already ran into a problem that I've been having
20:34<rocky>the mouse isn't working.........
20:35<schnauzer>is there an easy way to switch to testing?
20:35<deniz>schnauzer, do you know how to change your sources.list?
20:35<rocky>does the latest version of debian support ext4?
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20:36<schnauzer>just change main to testing
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20:36<craigevil>schnauzer: stick with stable, use backports if you need newer packages
20:37<DeepDayze>or if you are comfortable you can build your own
20:37<deniz>schnauzer, no change stable or lenny to squeeze leave the word main alone
20:38<craigevil>switching to testing is NOT a painless process especially if your using kde or gnome
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20:39<schnauzer>as in, lots of breakage?
20:39<Jb_boin>testing sasl2 is broken since may
20:39<deniz>craigevil, ever since i do apt-get install perl-base before apt-get dist-upgrade, I've had like millions of succesful upgrades
20:40<Jb_boin>ifmetric is also broken on testing/amd64
20:40<craigevil>if your using kde you have to deal with going from kde3>kde4 and gnome has issues in testing as well
20:40<ml|>schnauzer: if you must do /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze and /msg dpkg testing /msg dpkg testing faq
20:41<ml|>and /msg dpkg releases
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20:42<deniz>craigevil, i use lenny and squeeze and have no issues with either
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20:42<DeepDayze>switching from lenny to squeeze is gonna be interesting
20:42<craigevil>i use sid and dont have issues but i wouldnt recommend it to someone
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21:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:05<user01>por favor use? haha
21:06<user01>use is portuguese for use?
21:07<user01>has anyone tried cooliris as a firefox plugin? it rocks :)
21:07<sney>well, to use in spanish is "usar" so it is probably the same in portuguese
21:08<enouf>tu quieres
21:08<andrew>kkkk fifox plugil é facil instalar
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21:10<user01>that would be usa in 2nd person plural no?
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21:11<Bernd>anyone know about xchat2 crash at join with memory running full ?
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21:11<enouf>Bernd: no swap?
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21:11<Bernd>4GB RAM + 4GB Swap
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21:12<enouf>cat /proc/swaps and free shows it's actually working, there?
21:12<user01>todo bem?
21:12<Hideo>that's alot of ram and unnecessary
21:12<enouf>or .. is that too almost exhausted?
21:12<Hideo>swap, I meant
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21:13<aisten>estou de volta ao irc depois de muito tempo, é bom respirar esse clima
21:13<Bernd>so swap used: 0
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21:14<aisten>e como sempre entro para ajudar e ser ajudado, estou atraz de plugins para o totem
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21:14<Bernd>I need that big swap .. because working with a lot of VMs
21:14<aisten>alguém têm idéias?
21:14<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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21:15<rocky>cya later
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21:15<Bernd>anyway ... currently I´m running xchat with gdb -> no crash until yet
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21:16<tom9876543>hi how do you reconfigure x? i am limited to 800x600 60hz
21:17<Bernd>one way - edit xorg.conf
21:17<sney>that's the best way if you have a LCD and are only ever going to use one resolution
21:18<Bernd>another way is ... as root # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
21:18<Bernd>but i would prefer the first one
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21:20<dr|z3d>tom9876543: Or aptitude install xrandr or grandr and configure via gui.
21:20<aisten>axcuse me
21:20<dr|z3d>!lart aisten
21:20*dpkg pushes the wall down onto aisten whilst whistling innocently
21:21<sney>!tell aisten about br
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21:25<tom9876543>thank you bernd
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21:30<southernc>could someone suggest a backup program for lenny that has a gui easy to use backs the whole system up to a specified dir etc
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21:31<Bernd_>I think I found the reason for the crashes
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21:32<Bernd_>I use the gtk aurora engine an after I switch my theme it works again
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21:33<tom9876543>i ran xrandr and it says the maximum resolution is 800 x 600, which is not right
21:33<tom9876543>i have a blue and white g3 with ati rage 128
21:34<Bernd_>set it manual in xorg.con
21:34<tom9876543>so i will edit xorg.conf
21:34<tom9876543>i'll try that
21:34<tom9876543>what directory is xorg.conf in?
21:35<southernc>locate ?
21:35<Bernd_>#nano /etc/X11/xorg.con
21:35<Bernd_>or what ever you favorite editor is
21:35<Bernd_>do you know what to change?
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21:39<tom9876543>i have a problem the xorg.conf file is 0 bytes
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21:39<tom9876543>i did ls -la in the /etc/X11 directory
21:39<tom9876543>it says the file is 0 bytes
21:39<tom9876543>nano shows an empty file
21:40<Bernd_amd64>I notice this also after fresh install of lenny
21:41<tom9876543>did you find a solution?
21:42<Bernd_amd64>i done it my self ... because i know my hardware
21:42<Bernd_amd64>one moment plz
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21:42<sney>tom9876543: do X -configure as root
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21:43<tom9876543>thanks sney i will try that
21:43<sney>it will generate a basic xorg.conf in your current directory and then you can copy it into /etc/X11
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21:46<OpenSoruceBrad>Hello everyone, I am running a fresh install of Debian Lenny; I am having trouble getting my X-FI sound blaster card to ... well work.
21:46<Bernd_amd64>wich soundsever ?
21:47<tom9876543>sney: i tried running X -configure but it had an error message. i am currently in gui mode, do i have to quit back to console?
21:47<OpenSoruceBrad>pardon? I am not clear by the term 'SoundServer'
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21:48<Bernd_amd64>fresh install means alsa 99% so had heard that oss4 works better with your card ...
21:48<sney>tom9876543: yes
21:48<Bernd_amd64>but what does "well working means" =
21:49<tom9876543>sney: sorry for being a newbie but how do you log out of x-windows. i remember windows98 had "restart in dos mode", so what is the equivalent for debian
21:49<sney>log out of your current session and ctrl+alt+backspace
21:49<tom9876543>thank you
21:50<OpenSoruceBrad>No sound is being produced with any sound producing events or apps, I do have 2 different sound cards in my computer as one is built in my motherboard.
21:50<Bernd_amd64>I had switched via ALT+CTRL+F1
21:50<sney>is the one built into your motherboard disabled in the BIOS?
21:50<Bernd_amd64>OpenSoruceBrad, do you want to use both ?
21:51<Bernd_amd64>else first do what sney said
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21:52<OpenSoruceBrad>No, Actully i never thought about disabling my sound card via bios, and no i only want to use my sound blaster. They are both detected in my sound preference.
21:54<tom9876543>what is the command to stop X?
21:54<sney>ctrl+alt+backspace is how you stop X
21:54<Bernd_amd64>so reboot ... hit del ( mostly ) and check out Integrated Peripherals @ OpenSoruceBrad
21:54<Bernd_amd64>no it restarts X
21:55<sney>it's not supposed to. any restarting that happens is gdm's fault, and it's annoying
21:55<sney>you can ctrl+alt+backspace and then VERY QUICKLY before it starts up again, hit alt+f2 to get to a different TTY
21:55<Bernd_amd64>hit ALT+CTRL+F1 - login as root - and then /etc/init.d/gdm stop
21:55<OpenSoruceBrad>Bernd_amd64: i will give this a try, hopefully it will help
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21:56<sney>I always forget about that gdm thing, because I don't use software that second guesses what I tell it to do
21:57<Bernd_amd64>so what do you use ?
21:57<tom9876543>i press ctrl-alt-f1 to go to console. how do i get back to gui?
21:57<Bernd_amd64>/etc/init.d/gdm start and than ALT+CTRL+F7
21:57<sney>I don't use a login manager, or I use slim, which recognizes c-a-b as a "please exit X now"
22:00<Bernd_amd64>it´s also graphical right ? but looks more clean
22:00<sney>yeah, it's minimal
22:00<sney>and the conf file wasn't designed by retarded monkeys
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22:00<craigevil>slim is nice :)
22:01<Bernd_amd64>any advantages
22:01<Bernd_amd64>so you mean gdm suxx ?
22:01<ml|>sney: uses less memory too?
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22:01<sney>gdm is way too big for its britches.
22:02<ml|>craigevil: what does lxde use by default?
22:02<craigevil>Processes 102 Uptime 8:36 Memory 219.4/493.5MB lxde,slim, with iceweasel with 6 tabs, lxterminal, evince
22:02<craigevil>ml|: it recommends gdm
22:02<sney>if you close iceweasel your usage will drop by 75%
22:03*stroyan thinks that gdm just remembers that X servers exit for the wrong reasons sometimes.
22:03<Bernd_amd64>use opera ... yo you can limit the mem usage
22:03<craigevil>with iceweasel and evince closed ram usage is around 80-90MB
22:03<sney>stroyan: that's fine, but it should still recognize the keystroke and step out of the way
22:04<ml|>craigevil: so you had to install slim manually
22:04<craigevil>yes but i did it when i installed lxde
22:04<stroyan>sney: But sometimes I want to slap the X server around and order up a new one. In that case gdm's actions are just right.
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22:04<tom9876543>i booted my computer. at logon prompt (gui) i press ctrl-alt-backspace.... and computer freezes!
22:04<tom9876543>i previously installed debian 4 on same computer it worked
22:04<tom9876543>now debian 5 doesn't work?
22:05<tom9876543>not too happy :(
22:05<OpenSoruceBrad>No dice guys =(, my SoundBlaster X-fi still shows no working signs
22:05<Bernd_amd64>I also mean etch was more stable
22:05<Bernd_amd64>alsaconf ?
22:05<sney>might just be muted
22:06<sney>aptitude install asla-utils
22:06<Bernd_amd64>have a look at alsamixer
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22:06<craigevil>!tell OpenSoruceBrad about X-FI
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22:07<OpenSoruceBrad>Craigevil: Thank you very much, this looks perfect
22:08<craigevil>np dpkg knows everything :)
22:08<Bernd_amd64>there are also driver @ creative page
22:09<OpenSoruceBrad>:V (totally a pacman face, and you deserve every little font of it)
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22:10<OpenSoruceBrad>Bernd_amd64: I was trying that but i could not navigate to linux drivers @.@
22:10<Bernd_amd64>wich card so you have
22:11<OpenSoruceBrad>snd-ca0106 (CA0106 chipset)
22:11<OpenSoruceBrad> * X-Fi Xtreme Audio (PCI)
22:12<Bernd_amd64>lol there is no driver only for the PCIe edition
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22:12<Bernd_amd64>sry my fail
22:12<OpenSoruceBrad>:V enplanes why i could not navigate to it *huge sigh*
22:13<Bernd_amd64>anyone use OSS4 with flash ?
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22:18<OpenSoruceBrad>yay it works!
22:19<OpenSoruceBrad>Mmm I can now play as much Rush as i want on my Desktop... but i have 10 mins to get to work (at midnight) @.@ Thank you everyone
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22:38<DeepDayze>enjoy listening to rush :)
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22:51<blue32>gees yall dont talk much
22:52<blue32>rocky2: thanks rock
22:53<rocky2>the only reason I'm using rocky2 is because rocky was taken :O
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22:58<southernc>could someone suggest a backup program for lenny that has a gui easy to use backs the whole system up to a specified dir etc
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23:02<rocky2>southernc, honestly, if I were backing up, I would probably copy the partition.... but I'm sure there's a better way
23:03*rocky2 is waiting for debian to configure programs and stuff on his old computer
23:03<rocky2>its around 11 years old :O
23:03<southernc>and you havent blown that thing up ?
23:04<southernc>did you find it on the side of the road ?
23:04<rocky2>damn it
23:04<rocky2>I hate how people will just destroy perfectly good comptuers
23:05<southernc>my time is worth more then waiting for slow computers (;0p especially since they dont cost shit to buuild
23:05<southernc>E8400 dual core overclocked 4.08 ghz stable
23:05<rocky2>its not that I don't have better things to do with my time... its just that older hardware fascinates me
23:06<rocky2>I am intending to make a fairly powerful computer later this summer
23:06<rocky2>if I earn enough money
23:07<rocky2>I'm looking at having an intel i7, nvidia gtx 260, and 4 GB of ram
23:07<rocky2>I intend to upgrade the gfx card and ram later on
23:08<southernc>ehh i have a 4800 hd radeon and its kind of a waste of money on linux i dont play any games ...
23:08<rocky2>on that computer I mentioned earlier, I intend to put a good flight sim on it (yes, I'm into flight sims :D)
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23:09<rocky2>the processor of the computer I'm installing debian on has an AMD-K6-2/500
23:09<rocky2>it competed with the Pentium II
23:10<southernc>thad be better to run a firewall on for a local subnet
23:10<rocky2>actually, if I can get video to run smoothly, I'm gonna make it an entertainment pc
23:10<rocky2>ya know?
23:11*southernc smacks rocky2
23:11<rocky2>I didn't come here to be smacked XD
23:12<southernc>i never run linux on anything older then a p4 so not sure how well that would work for ya
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23:13<rocky2>damn small linux ran really well actually
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23:13<rocky2>but that is a very small distro :)
23:13<southernc>i would imagine
23:14<rocky2>I expect debian to run a little slow
23:14<southernc>ehh depends on what you install
23:14<rocky2>what kind of WICKED imagination do you have, lol
23:14<southernc>i lost mine when i had kids :)
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23:15<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
23:15<southernc>that ended all my fun :( always afraid to do stupid shit due to killing myself
23:15<rocky2>/kill southernc HAHAHA!
23:16<Jids>i've installed SimplyMepis, how do i set up apt/Synaptic to pull files from my Debian DVDs? i need to get wireless working on it
23:16<southernc>after fracturing my ankle doing motocross kind of a wake up call
23:16<adb>Jids: apt-cdrom add
23:18<Jids>adb: and from the 5 DVDs i have... does it go DVD by DVD or will it be able to tell me which DVD i need to insert to install what i'm looking for?
23:18<southernc>it will tell you
23:18<Jids>ah i see
23:19<adb>Jids: just try it ,,
23:19<Jids>on the 2nd one now, thanks a lot :)
23:20<rocky2>well, my computer is almost done installing..... (I think)
23:20<rocky2>I'll probably need help getting my wireless set up and the mouse working
23:20<southernc>your lying to youself you still have atleast 4+ hours to go
23:20<rocky2>I've been having problems with mouse support on this computer
23:21<southernc>ps2 ?
23:21<rocky2>it hasn't worked in ubuntu, puppy linux......
23:21<rocky2>but it DOES work in dsl
23:21<southernc>gotta be a hardware problem
23:21<rocky2>idk why
23:21<southernc>BLOW IT UP
23:21<southernc>test out one of those thermite experiments on youtube
23:22<rocky2>damn it
23:22<rocky2>you are really annoying me
23:22<hilaire>hardware problem, of course !
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23:23<southernc>you ever tried like a usb mouse or that to technilogically advanced for you ?
23:23<rocky2>ok, I'm done being insulted
23:23<rocky2>fuck this
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23:24<southernc>i was only kidding sheesh
23:24<adb>rocky2: install ssh and command it remotely
23:24<adb>it= old pc
23:25<southernc>wow if i thought i was actually gonna upset him i woulda stopped along time ago
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23:33<southernc>is there a program to show everything you have installed so that in case you have to reinstall you can easy reinstall everything ?
23:33<southernc>so you dont have to backup like lib64 lib32 etc
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23:37<DDevine>You mean like rpm -qa for RPM distros?
23:38<southernc>like instead of having to remove packages again and try and remember what i installed
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23:44<blue32>i cant beleive as many of yall and nobody says anything,Whats up?
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23:44<blue32>a in wally world or what?
23:47<chealer>!tell southernc about selections
23:47<snogglethorpe>it was closed! :(
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23:51<user01>my network-manager broke on the last update, how do i fix?
23:52<southernc>thanks chealer
23:53<user01>im using ifup and ifdown and manually editing interfaces riight now
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23:54<snogglethorpe>(does network-manager _ever_ work correctly?)
23:55<dpkg>NetworkManager: Network management framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions. Backported 0.7.1 packages available, ask about <bpo> & see bug #530024. Squeeze users: ask about <nm squeeze>. #nm on See also <wireless connection managers>.
23:55<ml|>heh, if he is on lenny that should not get updated anyways
23:56<chealer>I assume that was a rhetorical question
23:56<SuperMiguel>any one using mdadm?
23:57<southernc>!dpkg things to backup
23:57<dpkg>A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ...
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23:58<southernc>!dpkg reinstall
23:58<dpkg>from memory, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
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23:59<ml|>southernc: it does not use a gui, but look into rsnapshot works great here
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