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---Logopened Sun Jul 12 00:00:00 2009
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00:00<southernc>kk will do thanks
00:01<southernc>yea im reading :)
00:02<ml|>ok, :)
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00:04<SuperMiguel>i following this guide for raid 5:
00:04<SuperMiguel>but the command mkraid doesnt work
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00:05<Deagon>Hello everyone.
00:05<Deagon>good morning or evening (which ever applies)
00:06<southernc>ml| does debian automatically add it to cron or you have to do that ?
00:06<ml|>southernc: you have to add as root or system cron
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00:09<Deagon>I tried loading the windows drivers with ndis to no avail and madwifi refuses to compile dispite the fact that my kernel has all required tweaks,etc.
00:09<sney>madwifi is in apt, under non-free
00:09<sney>you don't need to compile it yourself
00:09<Deagon>I know
00:10<Deagon>It refuses to install on my netbook, compiled by myself or retrieved through kpackage/apt
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00:10<Deagon>no error messages
00:10<sney>pastebin your error
00:10<ml|>southernc: here is an example for you ...
00:10<sney>so it just what
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00:10<sney>says it installs, but it didn't? or it installs, but you still aren't seeing any access points?
00:11<southernc>ml could you pastebin me your config ? so i can verify what im doing lol
00:11<southernc>i would appreciate it
00:11<Deagon>One minute, I'll try a compile again (because my netbooks isn't online) and see what it says (if anything)
00:11<sney>I'd really rather see what happens when you try to install the official one.
00:11<ml|>see the above, but do you want whole config?
00:12<ml|>southernc: ^
00:12<southernc>yea if thats possible
00:12<SuperMiguel>i following this guide for raid 5:
00:12<SuperMiguel>but the command mkraid doesnt work
00:12<ml|>ok one sec
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00:15<ml|>that is whole config ^^^
00:16<southernc>kk ok i get ya i didnt understand why you didnt use the backup points etc
00:16<ml|>southernc: man rysnc and rsync for more info
00:17<adb>SuperMiguel: mdadm --help
00:17<southernc>thanks again
00:17<ml|>see the backup points now
00:17<SuperMiguel>adb, do i need to format the drives first ? in ext3?
00:18<ml|>the first paste where the backups to include, exclude
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00:18<adb>SuperMiguel: man mdadm
00:19<Deagon>sney: i'll get the netbook setup on the ethernet in the second room and try apptitude install madwifi
00:20<southernc>on there help it says about making the crontab file is this necassary for debian with the directives in the conf ?
00:21<Deagon>I had no issue with it the last time i installed etch on that system, but since i upgraded its hdd. madwifi has wanted to play nice.
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00:21<sney>what netbook is it? eee?
00:21<Deagon>Acer aspire one
00:21<ml|>southernc: don't understand will paste my root cron ...
00:22<sney>more importantly, is the atheros chip you're trying to support an AR242x?
00:22<Deagon>(aao 110l) the rubbish ones that come with Linpus (name is enough to make me feel sick, lol. I'm not keen on fc based systems)
00:23<sney>the reason I ask is that madwifi support is going away, and that's because there's a new, better atheros driver in the kernel called ath5k. it's completely free software and it has more features. it's possible that you could use this one instead, either right away or after installing a backport kernel, depending on which atheros chip it is
00:24<southernc>oh so i guess you do then cause mine doesnt have that alright makes sense
00:25<ml|>right you need to make cron for root or system wide, your choice
00:26<Deagon>Sney: it's an ar5bxb63
00:26<Deagon>Just thought I would use madwifi again, cos it worked fine with that last time.
00:26<sney>yeah, it's easy to fall into habits, nothing wrong with that
00:27<Deagon>Unless there 'bad' habbits
00:28<sney>true :)
00:28<sney>anyway, it won't work 100% right off the bat but see what happens if you modprobe ath5k
00:28<Deagon>Guess what? I found the problem
00:28<ml|>southernc: so if you ever get into trouble just mount backup drive with live cd and cp -a all the data to new drive or existing drive, i have it saving every 6 hours, daily, weekly and monthly
00:28<sney>or you just fixed it on your own, that's fine too
00:29<Deagon>It compiled and worked straight away when I got ridd of all traces of ndis
00:29<Deagon>oh well, noob mistake. lol. Thanks anyway sney
00:30<sney>no problem
00:30<ml|>* one daily, weekly and monthly
00:30<bash>does anyone know why debootstrap command wont work?
00:30<bash>i have it installed
00:30<bash>bash: debootstrap: command not found
00:31<xlotlu_>not in your PATH?..
00:31<southernc>what would recommend if i only have one drive ?
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00:31<bash>i used apt-get install...
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00:32<ml|>southernc: that is not really backing up tho
00:32<rocky2>hello again
00:32<southernc>rocky2: i was only kidding before dude if i knew it bothered you that much i woulda shutup i thought you knew i was kidding
00:32<ml|>but you can do that, just exclude it in rsnapshot.conf
00:32<rocky2>southernc, I don't think you were, honestly
00:32<southernc>uhh yea i was
00:33<rocky2>you were serious, but are now trying to "fix" what you said before
00:33<rocky2>look, I decided to quit before I let it get to me too much
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00:33<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
00:33<southernc>well i apologize if i offended you even though i was only kidding
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00:34<rocky2>btw, debian starts in maybe 3 minutes, which isn't bad considering the hardware's age :)
00:35<ml|>southernc: actually after looking at my backup dir it is six hourly, daily, four weekly and one monthly
00:35<rocky2>but I am having trouble with my ps/2 mouse, and have been having the same problem on other distros... basically, I have the mouse plugged in, but the OS won't respond to anything
00:35<rocky2>its like it didn't detect it or something
00:35<rocky2>It DOES work on damn small linux, however, lol
00:35<ml|>so i can always go back as needed for a file etc..
00:36<rocky2>southernc, what method where you trying to backup? :D
00:36<rocky2>*trying to use to
00:36<southernc>Ml came up with a good idea to use rsync
00:37<rocky2>heh, debian looks exactly the same as ubuntu :D I guess that makes sense.....
00:37<ml|>rocky2: some setting in the bios maybe, but wierd that it works with dsl
00:37<southernc>cause after my stupid $%# did a rm -r * to etc and i had to redo everything i decided i needed to implement a backup of some sort
00:37<ml|>southernc: but i would buy a dedicated drive for backup
00:38<southernc>yea thats a good idea
00:38<ml|>using a partition for backup is not really bakup
00:39<southernc>yea your right
00:39<ml|>but i do it in a laptop, so i shouldn't say anything
00:39<rocky2>ml|, surely there would be a good reason for the mouse to work in DSL and demudi (an old unsupported debian based distro), but not puppy, debian, or ubuntu
00:39<southernc>i just kinda wanted some way to fix my system if i pulled another OH @$#!
00:39<rocky2>I doubt the bios is to blame
00:40<rocky2>but I could poke around in there a little :D
00:40<rocky2>...though I already have...
00:40<ml|>rocky2: yes, it was jus a thought and can't hurt
00:40<southernc>ps2 suppport in bios is available by default so ....
00:41<southernc>its usally the usb2 support thats the pain in older systems
00:41<rocky2>um.... without a mouse, I don't know how to shut down debian properly
00:41<southernc>init 6
00:41<southernc>in console
00:41<rocky2>or something
00:41<southernc>restart -r now
00:41<ml|>shutdown -h now
00:41<rocky2>none of those commands were found in the terminal
00:42<southernc>well guess it depends if you wanna shutdown or restart lol
00:42<ml|>as root
00:42<rocky2>for some reason my account isn't a sudoer.....
00:42<rocky2>southernc, it doesn't matter which
00:42<ml|>it's not by default
00:42<southernc>yea you have to add it to it
00:42*rocky2 is used to being able to use sudo
00:42<ml|>did you install sudo
00:43<southernc>sudo isnt installed by default i dont think
00:43<ml|>right it's not
00:43<rocky2>how do I install it without sudo access?
00:43<ml|>plus you need to set it up
00:43<southernc>login to root
00:43<ml|>su or su -
00:44<rocky2>then what?
00:44*rocky2 is installing irssi
00:44<southernc>apt-get install sudo
00:44<southernc>i use scrollz
00:44<rocky2>I normally use xchat
00:44<rocky2>but will probably use irssi on this comp
00:44<ml|>and shutdown -r now for restart
00:44<rocky2>because of the limited resources
00:45<SuperMiguel>whats the name of the file that manages mount -a?
00:45<ml|>southernc: you understand now
00:45<southernc>ml| anyway so your script makes a backup every sixth hour of every day of every week of every month ?
00:45<ml|>about rsnapshot a bit
00:46<SuperMiguel>fstab :)
00:46<ml|>southernc: looking at my backup dir it is six hourly, daily, four weekly and one monthly
00:46<rocky2>ml|, southernc, it says I already have sudo
00:47<rocky2>btw, debian is running great other than the mouse problem......
00:47<southernc>then you have to sudoer yourself
00:47<ml|>good set it up and use it or use su
00:47<southernc>i waasnt serious to begin with lol
00:47<rocky2>dang it, how do I add myself as a sudoer
00:47<southernc>man sudo
00:47<DeepDayze>as root, visudo
00:47<rocky2>lol, k
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00:48<ml|>man visudo
00:48<DeepDayze>and man sudo
00:48<DeepDayze>those 2 docs tell you how
00:48<DeepDayze>its not hard though
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00:48<DeepDayze>the docs tell you what to put into the files
00:49<southernc>youy make six backups hourly!
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00:49<ml|>why not just use su
00:49<rocky2>I could, I guess
00:49<southernc>i dont even use sudo
00:49<rocky2>I'm just so used to it
00:49<ml|>southernc: read some more about rsnapshot :)
00:49<rocky2>I've been using ubuntu for a few months now
00:50<adb>dpkg: tell rocky2 about enter
00:50<rocky2>oh yeah, not supposed to use enter as punctuation -_-
00:50<ml|>rocky2: keep in mind this not ubuntu, debian works differently tho somethings do work the same but not many
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00:52<rocky2>so.............I forgot... what should I do about the mouse? I would go and grab one of our usb mouses... but we don't have any :(
00:52<ml|>but use sudo if you like
00:52<rocky2>*I mean, I don't have a usb port on this computer
00:52<rocky2>I'll use su for now
00:52<ml|>rocky2: i use sudo to shutdown only
00:53<ml|>su 0r su - for the rest
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00:53<rocky2>I really am about as clueless as I can get on the mouse..... if you guys can get my mouse working, I'll probably be fine ^_^
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00:54<rocky2>I'm not COMPLETELY familiar with the commandline, so I kinda need a mouse
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00:54<ml|>seems like a good time to learn ;)
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00:55<rocky2>I already am forced to use it on an ubuntu vps :)
00:55<rocky2>do you have any suggestions? is there some information that would help you help me?
00:55<ml|>dpkg: tell rocky2 about unix lessons
00:56<ml|>dpkg: tell rocky2 about general cli tutorial
00:56<southernc>its not that its the crontab thing i dont get
00:56<southernc>but i will read about it after im done setting the directives
00:56<rocky2>oh god
00:57<ml|>southernc: what don't you understand
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00:57<southernc>interval hourly 6 etc
00:58<rocky2>I've gotta ask... are you throwing those links at me because you want me to learn command line better?
00:58<ml|>you need to read about rsnapshot works
00:58<southernc>it matches the crontab but i dont get how that works
00:59<ml|>rocky2: yes to help you in that, have no idea on your mouse issue
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00:59<rocky2>you could have just said
00:59<rocky2>but I am gonna take a look at that tut
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01:00<[Xel]> has OLD OLD OLD stuff. Any similar places with more up-to-date stuff?
01:00*rocky2 is tempted to say "your mom"
01:01<[Xel]>It's good that you didn't, see, because that would be childish.
01:01<ml|>rocky2: generally if nobody answers you, means they have no idea how to help so people won't answer you, so i sent you the links to atleast help you with cli
01:01<[Xel]>That's it.
01:02<ml|>[Xel]: what are you looking for?
01:03<rocky2>believe it or not, I asked the ubuntu peeps
01:04<[Xel]>ml| - Honestly, just a general docs/faqs site. But looks like what I was looking for.
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01:04<rocky2>heh, chihchun makes me think of chachin..... huh
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01:05<ml|>[Xel]: anything specific
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01:05<rocky2>ml|, I've got a wireless ps/2 mouse... maybe it will work for who knows why
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01:06<[Xel]>ml| - Nope.
01:06<[Xel]>A friend is learning Linux, got himself a Linode.
01:06<[Xel]>I wanted to be able to give him a good site with howto's on a myriad of items
01:06<ml|> is good
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01:07<ml|>want me to send you some general stuff links wise?
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01:08<ml|>or just do /msg dpkg grounding /msg dpkg unix lessons /msg dpkg general cli tutorial
01:09<[Xel]>Ahh k
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01:10<ml|>southernc: undestand now why six hourly, six daily, four weekly and one monthly
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01:11<[Xel]>It's so quiet in here.
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01:12<[Xel]>It's not like a bunch of Debian nerds have dates... :P Sorry, couldn't resist.
01:12<rocky2>[Xel], the quietness just means that most of the work is done :D
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01:14<rocky2>hey ml|, someone on ubuntu told me to add this line: Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
01:15<adbix>add it
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01:15<rocky2>in this /etc/X11/xorg.conf
01:16<ml|>rocky2: try it, they mean to xorg.conf?
01:16<rocky2>had to dig through my log files to find that XD
01:16<southernc>FreeWideWeb:/etc# rsnapshot du
01:16<southernc>ERROR: Permission denied
01:16<ml|>as root
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01:16<sney>ImPS/2 is good for mice that are more than just the 2 buttons and maybe a wheel setup
01:16<southernc>i am root
01:16<southernc>comeon now im not that dumb :)
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01:16<rocky2>the mouse I'm trying to get working has two buttons and a wheel
01:17<sney>well, it won't hurt anyway
01:17<sney>worth a shot
01:17<ml|>southernc: have you done a backup?
01:17<rocky2>however, the wireless mouse has left, right buttons, a wheel that clicks in as well, and two buttons on the side XD
01:17<rocky2>but if the regular mouse works, then I won't try the wireless
01:17<southernc>not yet
01:17<ml|>well the ;P
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01:18<southernc>im trying to do what this manual says
01:18<ml|>southernc: rsnapshot configtest
01:18<southernc>i says nothing about creating a backup first lol
01:18<southernc>yea i did that it said syntax ok
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01:18<ml|>southernc: du is for space you have used
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01:19<ml|>rsnapshot -t hourly
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01:19<southernc>i did that it ran like a script
01:20<ml|>did it tell you what it was going to do?
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01:20<southernc>touch /tmp/.snapshots/hourly.0/
01:20<southernc>and so on and so forth
01:20<southernc>how do you acess the dir ?
01:21<ml|>-t is to test
01:21<southernc>oh so it didnt actually do anything
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01:21<ml|>man rsnapshot ;)
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01:23<polygon89>Hi, i just installed debian and i think my default sources.list file is messed up, as i can't install a lot of things that (at least the wiki) says i should be able to install, can anyone take a look and see whats going on?
01:24<southernc>looks fine other then you can add the non free repos
01:24<ml|>southernc: on my laptop i made a dir /home/backups/
01:24<Jids>can anyone here help me set up wireless? i have a Ralink RT61/RT2561 card from Rosewill, if that helps any
01:24<southernc>and multimedia
01:24<ml|>and made that backup dir
01:24<gsimmons>polygon89: You don't appear to be referencing a Debian mirror.
01:25<polygon89>well, if its fine, how come i can't install stuff like network manager or pidgin cause it says 'no installation canididate' or other things
01:25<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Jids -about rt61
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01:25<southernc>yea thats prolly a better idea i have more space on home anyway
01:25<gsimmons>Jids: Haven't we done this before?
01:25<polygon89>well, then what repo do i need to add then?
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01:25<Jids>gsimmons: i think so... i remember having to go into vi to edit a conf file, but i don't have that in my logs anywhere =(
01:25<southernc>thats up to you lol
01:26<gsimmons>dpkg: tell polygon89 -about sources.list
01:26<southernc>google repositories lenny
01:26<Jids>gsimmons: i've installed Mepis as well now because it actually gives me 1280x1024... if wifi doesn't work then i'm gonna have to figure out how to get it working on straight-up Debian
01:26<craigevil>polygon89: take a look at
01:26<craigevil>Jids: copy the xorg.conf that mepis is using
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01:27<polygon89>craigevil, so add basically everything in the 'stable lenny' section?
01:27<Jids>craigevil: where can i find xorg.conf?
01:28<ml|>craigevil: that sources.list covers just about everything?
01:28<craigevil>polygon89: yes but you really dont need it all , also you probably want deb lenny main as well
01:28<craigevil>Jids: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
01:29<ml|>dpkg: tell polygon89 about non-free sources
01:29<southernc>hell need to download the keys
01:29<ml|>dpkg: tell polygon89 about dmm lenny
01:29<polygon89>i know about sources, but i just need to know the default ones cause apparantly they didn't get added =P
01:30<southernc>ml| does that use alot of system resources ?
01:30<ml|>what craigevil said and those above should cover everything
01:30<ml|>southernc: what does?
01:31<ml|>only hard drive use when doing a snaphot and some cpu cycles
01:31<ml|>southernc: open top or htop and look
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01:33<ml|>southernc: see nothing is there
01:33<Jids>craigevil: why do you need xorg.conf?
01:33<southernc>well i dont know how to get it to manually run
01:33<southernc>and i did look at the man pages
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01:34<ml|>man rsnapshot, but rsnapshot hourly
01:35<craigevil>Jids: < Jids> gsimmons: i've installed Mepis as well now because it actually gives me 1280x1024
01:35<Jids>Debian wasn't giving me 1280x1024, it was only giving me up to 1280x800... and since i've got a squarish monitor it was annoying =/
01:35<Jids>gsimmons: any chance you'd like to help me out again? :)
01:35<craigevil>if mepis works copy the xorg.conf to debian , then do what dpkg said to get your wireless working
01:36<Jids>ah right, good idea :)
01:36<gsimmons>Jids: With your RT61 device? Are you using Mepis/SimplyMepis or Debian right now?
01:36<Jids>craigevil: could it break anything? (
01:36<southernc>its not too bad cpu jumps around 12 % -20 % and memory is only 10 %
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01:37<Jids>gsimmons: Mepis right now... if you can tell me what file it was i'd edited in Mepis, i think i can get it sorted from there
01:37<ml|>southernc: right and check again when it's done
01:37<gsimmons>Jids: Mepis isn't actually supported here. Ask #mepis on
01:38<craigevil>Jids: holy crap that is a messy xorg.conf
01:38<Jids>gsimmons: did, they told me to come here... but it's basically the same base... i should be able to config it the same way i did on Debian
01:39<southernc>well it seems to work thanks alot for the advice ill have to get another drive though :)
01:39<rocky2>dang it ml|, I didn't see that xorg.conf file
01:39<rocky2>and I've been kicked out of the basement that the computer is in....
01:40<rocky2>so good night.... (sorry, I know I forgot about the "enter" rule :( )
01:40<ml|>southernc: it works i have wipe my main drive to test it :)
01:40<rocky2>good night everybody
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01:42<Jids>gsimmons: i'd really appreciate it if you could help me since i don't have logs from then
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01:50<southernc>of course buying another drive would kinda make more sense to just setup a raid lol
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02:05<Super_Jids>gsimmons: ty for your help last time, i managed to get wifi working on Mepis because of it :D very much appreciated
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03:16<guybrush->hi guys.
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03:20<guybrush->I've got a doubt, maybe someone could help me with it. the thing is I would like to protect my root FS against hard disk failure. I was thinking on LVM mirroring actually I already created the lvol for the FS but can I have the certain that one of the physical disk fails everithing will be on the remainig disk I think lvm guaranties that there are 2 copies of each block but not that they are on different physical drives (only physical volumes which mi
03:20<guybrush->ght be on the same hard drive). any thoughts
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03:42<iw>I just dist-upgraded to squeeze and all of a sudden my audio is super quiet -- the speaker setup is exactly the same, but the audio coming out of the sound card is really quiet. All of my software mixers say that the volume is all the way up -- what could be going on?
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03:47<iw>Never mind, I've solved my problem!
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03:54<dpkg>sprint: VATTENE VIA
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04:19<aseron>hi all, need help installing nvidia drivers
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04:23<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
04:25<Supaplex>!fix nvidia drivers
04:25*dpkg takes nvidia drivers to the vet for a "special" visit.
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04:27<aseron>i've tried the wiki with no luck. I have gtx 285 and i can't find it in the supported list. Is this could be the problem?
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04:31<ml|>aseron: is this a new card
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04:33<aseron>one of the last of nvidia
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04:34<ml|>ome of the latest cards you mean?
04:34<aseron>yes, sorry for my english
04:35<ml|>yeah won't be support with wiki drivers
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04:35<aseron>so the solution is to install it manually from nvidia?
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04:37<ml|>seems so, unfortunately
04:38<aseron>bad luck, thank you all for your help! :)
04:38<ml|>new stuff takes time to be supported
04:39<ml|>aseron: you can try the nv driver first, do you need 3d?
04:41<aseron>no i i don't need 3d
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04:42<ml|>then try the nv driver from repos first and if you don't like it's performance, then use nvidia's driver
04:42<valdyn>aseron: you need the nvidia driver from sid
04:43<aseron>i put the sid
04:43<valdyn>aseron: thats the latest driver there is from nvidia
04:43<valdyn>aseron: pretty sure it supports your card
04:44<aseron>why can;'t i find the card in nvidia glx?
04:45<valdyn>aseron: you have a reading disability?
04:45<valdyn>aseron: it is listed in the README
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04:45<BabaBlackSheep>Hello, anyone?
04:46<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
04:46<aseron>yes you are right valdyn
04:46<ml|>valdyn: 185.18.14 is the latest driver?
04:46<valdyn>ml|: yes
04:46<tzafrir_laptop>how is nouveau these days?
04:46<aseron>i ll try again
04:47<valdyn>ml|: comprehensive info is always at
04:50<BabaBlackSheep>I have been testing some fastcgi program with IceWeasel and and experiancing weird behaviour for 1 particular fcgi, If I try to access http://localhost/fcgid/echo.fcgi then IceWeasel shows the "Save File" di to download the file, however other browsers ie. Konquerer and Epiphany display the page fine. The problem does not seem to happen though when I use a path like http://localhost/fcgid/echo.fcgi/ or an
04:50<BabaBlackSheep>other fcgi ie. http://localhost/fcgid/showgnu.fcgi
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04:55<ml|>valdyn: thank you for the info, did not know about sid driver
04:57<ml|>valdyn: to install that version all that is needed is sid repo and the sid version # for the nvidia driver at step three from wiki?
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05:02<BabaBlackSheep>Any someone help with the fastcgi problem I am having with IceWeasel
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05:03<valdyn>ml|: yes, I think so
05:04<valdyn>ml|: except that the version can probably be skipped , "m-a a-i nvidia" should work too
05:05<ml|>valdyn: apt should use the newest version? having sid repo
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05:05<valdyn>ml|: yes
05:06<ml|>valdyn: thank you :)
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05:09<nd33r>Hi all, I have my own ntp server setup and have Debian Lenny clients looking at it to update system time. This is working well. However, my hardware time settings are not in sync. Is there an easy way to sync the hardware time to the already corrected system time?
05:09<cahoot>man hwclock
05:11<nd33r>cahoot: Thanks cahoot. I tried this and still no change to hw clock...
05:14<cahoot>nd33r: and hwclock --show?
05:15<nd33r>cahoot: hmm, it's correct Sun 12 Jul 2009 05:15:15 AM EDT -0.767420 seconds
05:16<nd33r>cat /etc/timezone
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05:19<cahoot>nd33r: so your hwclock is correct - no?
05:20<nd33r>cahoot: yes, it is correct. However, with the --localtime option, it is not correct. Any idea why ?
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05:27<tzafrir_laptop>BabaBlackSheep, are you sure that the issue is specific to that specific browser? Have you tried others?
05:27<tzafrir_laptop>e.g. wget
05:27<Gekz>is not a webbrowser
05:28<tzafrir_laptop>BabaBlackSheep, sounds like a mis-configured httpd . Which one do you use? apache2?
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05:48<HawttDawgg>where can i get fresh irc proxies
05:49<Moogly>use Tor?
05:49<HawttDawgg>isnt that for
05:49<HawttDawgg>and only firefox?
05:50<HawttDawgg>i'll try that out thanks
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05:53<Moogly>anyone here knowledged with related things? :P after I install debian it shows 'Frequency out of range' I read someone (on forums) saying to edit my config file, found it but its empty... LOL anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated =]
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05:57<locklace>Moogly: set the right horizsync and vertrefresh values for your card/monitor in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. man xorg.conf
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05:58<kiazishiru>hi all, I can't seem to get flash working, I've been trying all sorts of solutions for the past 8 hours
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05:59<Moogly>mmk I'm looking @ the manula for atm
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06:06<kiazishiru>I've got debian lenny stable working but I can't seem to get the righ flash working, flash chatboxes work fine but youtube keeps giving me problems
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06:23<valdyn>kiazishiru: go to "about:config" and look which plugin is actually being used
06:23<dr|z3d>valdyn: You mean about:plugins
06:23<valdyn>kiazishiru: ^^
06:23<valdyn>dr|z3d: yes
06:24<dr|z3d>He might want to pastebin about:plugins..
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06:26<kiazishiru>Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_14-b08
06:26<kiazishiru> Bestandsnaam:
06:26<kiazishiru> Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_14 and then it shows a list of all different sorts of stuff
06:26<valdyn>kiazishiru: we are talking about flash, i do not care about your java plugin
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06:26<ilman>i want to download and use the OS
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06:27<ilman>i need some help
06:27<dpkg>5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See for images. Etch is still available from . Developers page is . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on Also ask me about <errata>.
06:27<kiazishiru>Shockwave Flash
06:27<kiazishiru> Bestandsnaam:
06:27<kiazishiru> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r22 this is the flash
06:27<dr|z3d>ilman: Are you new to Linux? Any previous experience?
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06:27<valdyn>!tell ilman -about ask
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06:28<valdyn>kiazishiru: looks good
06:28<ilman>i have lots of quesions..
06:28<ilman>i downloaded it
06:28<ilman>burn it
06:28<ilman>how much space i need?
06:28<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
06:28<ilman>how much space i need?
06:28<valdyn>ilman: 10G
06:28<dr|z3d>Depends. 10GB is a good starting point.
06:29<ilman>i need to Hard Drives?
06:29<kiazishiru>thing is, it works on my eeepc, but can't seem to get it to work on my desktop, so I'm a bit bummed....
06:29<valdyn>ilman: two: no
06:29<dr|z3d>If you can allocate more, all the better.
06:29<ilman>cause i have only c:\
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06:29<valdyn>ilman: that is not a harddrive
06:29<ilman>i know
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06:29<ilman>but my ENGLISH sucks
06:29<dr|z3d>ilman: You're probably better off installing Ubuntu or MintLinux.
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06:29<ilman>anybody from Israel?
06:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, il is Israel, home of some truly great people
06:30<valdyn>ilman: you need an unused partition or room for a new partition
06:30<ilman>yea i know
06:30<valdyn>ilman: then why do you ask?
06:30<ilman>to be sure
06:30<ilman> ilman: You're probably better off installing Ubuntu or MintLinux.
06:30<ilman>y he says that?
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06:30<ilman>y does he say that?
06:31<valdyn>ilman: ask him
06:31<dr|z3d>ilman: Because it sounds like you have zero Linux experience, and Ubuntu or MintLinux are much easier to install and maintain, for a newb.
06:31<valdyn>ilman: debian is perfectly fine if you are willing to learn
06:31<valdyn>ilman: debian is a bad choice if you just want something like windows
06:31<Oyashiro>i added to my autostart one script by update.rc how to remove it from it ?
06:32<ilman>ilman: debian is perfectly fine if you are willing to learn
06:32<ilman>i will learn!
06:32<ilman>i want to
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06:32<ilman>i think u got it wrong
06:32<ilman>i am good with PCs
06:32<dr|z3d>ilman: The other reason I recommend Mint or Ubuntu is because they're based on Debian, so your skills, once learnt, will be easily transferred.
06:32<ilman>my Enlgish Suck
06:33<ilman>i have more question..
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06:33<ilman>Are there any office tools?
06:33<valdyn>ilman: the *usual* problem with debian is that people *think* that the fact that they are good with pcs will help them with debian, but it wont
06:33<ilman>like word ?
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06:33<dr|z3d>Sure. OpenOffice.
06:33<valdyn>ilman: a few
06:33<ilman>lets just say
06:34<ilman>that i more then good
06:34<DSiFreak>why does lib32asound2 depend on a old libasoud2 on debian squeeze
06:34<dr|z3d>OpenOffice is more or less feature equivalent to MS Office.
06:34<DSiFreak>* libasound2
06:34<ilman>is there NotePad?
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06:34<valdyn>ilman: ok, youre not good with pcs
06:34<ilman>what the problem ?
06:34<dr|z3d>valdyn: Hence my recommendation.. call me a clairvoyant! ;)
06:34<valdyn>ilman: that youre not humble
06:35<ilman>i mean something like
06:35<ilman>not the same
06:35<valdyn>ilman: theres like hundres of programs like notepad, for debian, in debian
06:35<dr|z3d>ilman: All the generic apps you use on Windows are available on Linux. Editors, word precoessors, image tweakers.. all available.
06:35<ilman>i know there r
06:36<ilman>i only asked if there were good..
06:36<dr|z3d>Still, Mint or Ubuntu I think you'd enjoy a lot more.
06:36<ilman>last one
06:36<ilman>i think
06:36<dr|z3d>Until you get a proper handle on things. Then you can migrate to Debian. Best advice.
06:36<ilman>is it supporting Google Chrome ?
06:36<valdyn>ilman: google only released alpha versions for linux yet
06:36<dr|z3d>Sure. You can run Chromium.
06:37<ilman>there are 2 answers
06:37<ilman>which is right?
06:37<valdyn>ilman: they are not good enough for serious use
06:37<valdyn>ilman: both are
06:37<ilman>FireFox 3.5 ?
06:37<valdyn>ilman: its called chromium, its not read for general use
06:37<dr|z3d>Or you can run Chrome (for Windows) on Wine, I think.
06:37<valdyn>ilman: stop asking us about this, we do have a website
06:37<dr|z3d>3.5 is available for Linux, sure.
06:37<ilman>Wine is a "convertor"
06:38<ilman>Wine is a proggram that allow to use XP at Debian?
06:38<dr|z3d>Wine is a set of libraries to allow you to run Windows apps in Linux.
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06:38<valdyn>s/apps/some apps/
06:38<ilman>do u have good tool
06:38<ilman>to partition my Hard Drive?
06:38<dr|z3d>If you want the full XP experience in Linux, use VirtualBox.
06:38<valdyn>or use XP straight ;)
06:38<ilman>no no i want Linux!
06:38<cahoot>ilman: you already got gparted suggested
06:38<dr|z3d>If you install Ubuntu or MintLinux, then partitioning is part of the install.
06:38<kiazishiru>why run XP on a linux computer when you just installed something non M$? :S
06:39<ilman>what was it?
06:39<ilman>i need a tool to partition
06:39<valdyn>ilman: "gparted"
06:39<dpkg>hmm... gparted is the <GNOME> partition editor, which uses libparted (ask me about <parted>) and other optional filesystem tools. Install the 'ntfsprogs' package to enable <NTFS> support and 'dosfstools' for FAT16/32 support. Consider a <debian-live> image and installing 'gparted' (after boot) as an alternative to the GParted Live CD. #gparted on
06:39<ilman>oh KK
06:39<DSiFreak> !libasound2
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06:40<valdyn>DSiFreak: its squeeze, its not stable, youre jsut seeing an everyday problem in squeeze
06:40<ilman>well i downloaded
06:40<valdyn>DSiFreak: dont ask us about it, check the bts, you should be using stable
06:40<ilman>the 160mb ISO
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06:40<ilman>now i shall burn it ?
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06:41<dr|z3d>ilman: Download Ubuntu, burn, boot off the CD to test. Best advice.
06:41<ilman>y ubuntu?
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06:41<dr|z3d>Because it better matches your experience level.
06:41<dr|z3d>Because it's much easier for beginners to get into.
06:41<ilman>well u dont know me enough
06:41<cahoot>beginning to
06:41<dr|z3d>I know you have precious little Linux experience; that much is obvious.
06:42<ilman>i want more then little
06:42<cahoot>ilman: then you should take your time and read
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06:42<ilman>that what i will do
06:42<dr|z3d>Sometimes you have to trust those around you to offer you good advice when you're clueless.
06:42<kiazishiru>ubuntu has most programs on it already and you will find your way around there easyer, after that you can always install debian
06:42<cahoot>ilman: you can't expect to be spoofed here
06:43<dr|z3d>And you are clueless. So take the advice. Or don't. :)
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06:43<ilman>i said before!
06:43<ilman>my english sucks
06:43<OpenSourceBrad>ubuntu, is a very good os, It is not little, it is a very large and variable. however for getting it installed working and compatibility, it is a very good non intimidating way to start
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06:43<ilman>not my PC's Knowlege
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06:44<mucha>hello please help what name have the widget bar from this picture
06:45<dr|z3d>mucha: Try gbar, or gnome-do, or cairodock.
06:45<OpenSourceBrad>=) ilman: i don't doubt your ability to handle a pc. you've got on an IRC but understand ubuntu is still built on UNIX, ubuntu is very well put together, so you do not need to figure out such things as trying to install non native drivers for your network card
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06:48<ilman>i am a PHP programmer can u stop check my PC knowlege?
06:48<mucha>thank you
06:49<cahoot>ilman: noone is questioning your computer knowledge - only you ability to take advice
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06:49<valdyn>ilman: we already know your pc knowledge sucks, were not checking it
06:52<OpenSourceBrad>Hey guy's, a coworker wants to learn more about Linux, because he's sick of Vista. What live CD would you recommend for speed & stability and looks?
06:52<kiazishiru>how do you put just 1 button to 1 internet page in the lower bar, not all the ones I'm having on this desktop
06:53<dr|z3d>OpenSourceBrad: Ubuntu for sure, or MintLinux.
06:53<cahoot>debian has a live cd
06:53<cahoot>if stability is important
06:53<dr|z3d>Coming off Vista, you want a Windowsy experience, so Ubuntu.
06:54<cahoot>hah - one would think otherwise
06:54<kiazishiru>debian with gnome or kde is also workable
06:54<dr|z3d>Debian has the tendency to scare newbs away. Self-defeating.
06:54<OpenSourceBrad>I was considering Ubuntu, but i was thinking something faster and less bulky but still with a friendly Gnome interface
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06:54<kiazishiru>debian with gnome? or only gnome core
06:54<dr|z3d>OpenSourceBrad: Ubuntu is fast enough, friendly, and comes with Gnome nicely configured. What more do you need? :)
06:55<dr|z3d>OpenSourceBrad: If you want faster and less bulky, try Xubuntu.
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06:55<scorpion>atheros 5k? in debian lenny?
06:55<bzed>OpenSourceBrad: the debian live cd works very well, too
06:55<bzed>why not use that?
06:55<gsimmons>dpkg: tell scorpion -about ath5k
06:56<dr|z3d>bzed: Ubuntu has more polish.. remember, we're talking about a Vista user..
06:56<cahoot>is that a special breed?
06:56<dr|z3d>Yeah. :)
06:56<OpenSourceBrad>Yeah, i have only tried the Ubuntu live CD on a pc with 512 RAM, i found loading to be to slow, I am just thinking about my Co-Worker he's not intimidated.
06:57<dr|z3d>Windows users have a certain expectation of how a gui should look and behave. They often prefer eyecandy over functionality.
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06:57<dr|z3d>OpenSourceBrad: Then Xubuntu. Much lighter weight, flies on 512M.
06:58<jackyf>dr|z3d: ...until eyecandy breaks.
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06:59<OpenSourceBrad>yeah i figure i will give him a damn small Linux and a Ubuntu Live CD one for speed and one for luxury.
06:59<patrikf>OpenSourceBrad: live cds with GUI rarely are fast.
06:59<scorpion>gsimmons don't work
06:59<ness>hi, somehow W was bound to 'paste' on my xterm. can you tell me how to reverse that? I have no .Xdefaults file…
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07:00<anon_>I can't mount ext4 for the life of me and I have recompiled the newest vanilla kernel 2.6.30 and everything, no matter what I do I can't mount ext4 disks
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07:01<gsimmons>scorpion: You'll need to be far more descriptive of your problem ; /msg dpkg ask
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07:02<OpenSourceBrad>gsimmons can you dpkg ILm4n kernel
07:03<cahoot>anon_: e2fsprogs not up to the job?
07:03<kiazishiru>okay, how can I get the button out of the upper bar but the program still running in this desktop (since I use multiple desktops). I want audacious to be visible on this desktop but not in my upper bar
07:04<anon_>I don't know, I have tried to figure out e2fsprogs, but I don't get if it nests in the mount command or not, particularly. I was an ubuntu user, and that is how I created that filesystem, and in Ubuntu it just mounts with the mount command
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07:05<scorpion>don't compiler
07:05<anon_>From what I have read e2fsprogs is specifically for the ext2 file system, and my ext4 is certainly not taht
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07:06<vvas>e2fsprogs - ext2/ext3/ext4 file system utilities
07:06<cahoot>anon_: aptitude show e2fsprogs - ext4 mentioned?
07:06<vvas>(says apt)
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07:07<anon_>Yes, under description
07:08<anon_>It also says that it contains programs for creating, checking,a and maintaining, but it doesn't mention mounting
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07:08<anon_>I have read that in entirety several times
07:09<anon_>That is what brought me to believe that I needed to compile my own kernel, which I did, at version 2.6.30
07:09<cahoot>anon_: no error msg when trying to mount?
07:09<anon_>mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4dev'
07:10<cahoot>try ext4 as type
07:10<vvas>what's the mount command?
07:10<anon_>tried before, but same result "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4"
07:11<cahoot>anon_: ext4 liste in /proc/filesystems? the module mot loaded?
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07:11<anon_>No, the module isn't loaded
07:12<anon_>ext4 isn't listed
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07:12<vvas>does "modinfo ext4" say much?
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07:12<anon_>Yeah, it says ERROR: modinfo: could not find module ext4
07:13<vvas>well it's simple then
07:13<anon_>So there is the problem
07:13<vvas>you did not compile ext4 support into the kernel
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07:13<vvas>if you can't get that right, best try a distribution kernel
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07:13<anon_>Alright, so I need to recompile, I thought I had read many places that any kernel new enough came with it preloaded
07:14<anon_>I switched out from the distribution kernel because it didn't support ext4
07:14<vvas>which version of Debian are you running?
07:14<cahoot>anon_: well if you build your own kernel - you are responsible
07:14<vvas>ok, but which version... lenny / Debian 5.0?
07:15<anon_>I also did an upgrade kinda as a last ditch by swapping the sources.list I'm not sure if I'm on sid or testing, my system monitor still says lenny 5.0.2
07:16<OpenSourceBrad>anon: I am uncertain but for a quick fix, try apt-getting Disk Manager. sense i started using that to mount, I've had no mounting problems.
07:16<vvas>if you're on testing/unstable, you can get 2.6.30 kernels directly
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07:16<anon_>Alright, thanks
07:16<vvas>if you're on stable, there are probably backported 2.6.30 packages somewhere
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07:17<vvas>(OpenSourceBrad's suggestion won't do much to help you)
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07:17<anon_>Really? Alright, well I'll recompile again
07:18<cahoot>anon_: if all else is correct you only need add the module
07:18<anon_>Oh, I'
07:18<anon_>How do I add the module?
07:18<vvas>have you been paying attention? i just said you can probably get distribution kernels
07:18<anon_>I'm not on stable, I didn't understand what you were saying vvas
07:19<cahoot>seems like the prudent choice
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07:19<vvas>!tell anon_ about backports
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07:21<anon_>Thanks for the backports lesson, but is there an easy way to tell what I'm on? I know I swapped out my sources.list and did and dist-upgrade
07:21<vvas>you swapped out your sources list from what to what
07:22<Lomion>Guys, is there a convenient way to admin my ipod? I usually use winamp, is there an alternative for deb?
07:22<dr|z3d>Lomion: Try exaile if you're on gnome.
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07:23<vvas>Lomion: most of the more advanced music players have ipod support
07:23<OpenSourceBrad>dr/z3d: hipo got good review
07:23<dr|z3d>Lomion: There's also Songbird. Very good support, very similar to iTunes in many ways.
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07:23<dr|z3d>OpenSourceBrad: hipo, eh? Never heard of it. :)
07:23<vvas>Lomion: rhythmbox for gnome or amarok for kde for example
07:24<anon_>I swapped out my sources.list from stock lenny to
07:24<OpenSourceBrad>dr|z3d: Hipo ipod management tool
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07:24<vvas>eek, that's not the way to do it
07:24<locklace>anon_: welcome to sid
07:25<dr|z3d>Ah, ok. Thanks.
07:25<anon_>Alright, well sounds like I messed something up
07:25<vvas>anon_: ok you're running sid/unstable. you can pretty much delete all lines except 5 or 6 (they're pretty much the same)
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07:25<vvas>anon_: you can probably simply "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64" and reboot
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07:26<cahoot>or reinstall
07:26<anon_>Ok, will that contain the correct EXT4 module? I have no real problem other then that
07:26<OpenSourceBrad>Lomion: i would try using Hipo if you just want to manage your ipod and using something else for your PC media playing
07:26<LuXor>Hello: For an Energy problem my Debian lenny Os was restarted and now it do not the boot in grafphic modality
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07:26<anon_>Thank you
07:26<anon_>I will do that
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07:27<vvas>anon_: (the reason i'm saying you can delete the other lines beyond 5/6 is because unstable has newer packages that stable/testing, so it supercedes those)
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07:27<anon_>Alright, I can understand that
07:28<anon_>Of course my linux-img...etc is at the newest version, should I uninstall and resinstall that? That is the kernel, will it perform that with the system still running?
07:29<vvas>if the package i mentioned is already installed, you don't need to reinstall it, just make sure to boot with it
07:29<anon_>It is installed, and I am currently booted with it, and still no ext4
07:29<anon_>That is my problem
07:29<vvas>excuse me
07:29<vvas>didn't you say you booted with a kernel you built yourself?
07:29<LuXor>Hello: After an energy problem Debian Lenny does not enter in graphic modality, i can just use the command line like a root.
07:29<LuXor>Hello: After an energy problem Debian Lenny does not enter in graphic modality, i can just use the command line like a root.
07:30<LuXor>could someone help me?
07:30<anon_>Yes, i'm sorry, but I built that kernel myself...or perhaps I am mistaken
07:30<anon_>I thought I built a variant of the kernel supplied by that package
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07:32<vvas>so if you run the command i mentioned above, what does it say?
07:32<dpkg>ops is, like, Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
07:32<anon_>linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 is already the newest version.
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07:32<dr|z3d>!ops xD needs kicking.
07:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: xD needs kicking.
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07:32<Piet>muchas gracias
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07:33<vvas>anon_: well, you can add the --reinstall option to make sure it installs the version from the package repositories
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07:33<anon_>Ok, I'm going to attempt that, thank you for your time
07:33<anon_>I'm going to reboot and first see if it is on my grub list without me noticing somehow, thanks again
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07:37<ml|>valdyn: nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source also needs to be install from sid for new nvidia driver from sid to work, also remove old module and build new module, install new module
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07:53<LuXor>Duplicate or bad block in use! /: Multiply-claimed block(s) in inode 3368538: 6772846 /: Multiply-claimed block(s) in inode 3374467: 6772846
07:54<LuXor>for this problem my debian does not enter in graphic mode
07:54<LuXor>the system shutdown for a powerless problem
07:54<abrotman>have you run an fsck on the drive ?
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07:55<LuXor>i just turn On my pc
07:55<LuXor>don't know what is fsck
07:56<cahoot>strange it didn't fsck by default
07:57<dr|z3d>LuXor: sudo touch /forcefsck
07:57<dr|z3d>That will force a disk check on reboot.
07:57<LuXor>Debian does not use sudo
07:57<dr|z3d>My bad.
07:57<LuXor>i'm using debian gnu/linux Lenny stable
07:57<dr|z3d>*or equivalent
07:57<petern>it does if you install it ;p
07:58<cahoot>LuXor: as root - shutdown -rF now
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07:58<LuXor>|13:57| <cahoot> LuXor: as root - shutdown -rF now
07:58<LuXor>|13:57| <dr|z3d> LuXor: sudo touch /forcefsck
07:58<LuXor>what is the right thing to do?
07:59<dr|z3d>If you want to force a disk check, run touch /forcefsck as root.
07:59<ml|>but use only one
07:59<dr|z3d>And then reboot.
07:59<cahoot>LuXor: did you boot on battery last time?
08:00<LuXor>i have a dekstop
08:00<LuXor>the computer was shutdown for powerless problem
08:00<abrotman>just let him fsck the drive .. then come back
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08:00<LuXor>i'll try now
08:00<LuXor>see you
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08:00<cahoot>I just wondered why it didn't fsck 'by itself' at last boot
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08:01<abrotman>maybe it did and he told it not to fix stuff ?
08:01<dr|z3d>Filesystem's not always marked dirty in the event of a crash.. seen that myself sometimes.
08:01<HawttDawgg>whats my ip
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08:01<abrotman>IamSt: ?
08:01*dr|z3d smells trolls.
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08:02<ml|> /whois HawttDawgg
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08:02<HawttDawgg>woot tor is working :D
08:02<calamar>CAN I FUCK abrotman GIRLFRIEND? THANKS
08:02<calamar>CAN I FUCK abrotman GIRLFRIEND? THANKS
08:02<calamar>CAN I FUCK abrotman GIRLFRIEND? THANKS
08:02<calamar>CAN I FUCK abrotman GIRLFRIEND? THANKS
08:02<calamar>CAN I FUCK abrotman GIRLFRIEND? THANKS
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08:03<HawttDawgg>DASU DASU DASU LOL
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08:03<ml|>that guy will never stop it seems
08:03<abrotman>he doesn't know that that tor isn't really anonymous
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08:04<dr|z3d>Garden variety attention seeking troll. *yawn*
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08:05<ml|>abrotman: is not? thought it was
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08:08<cahoot>severe lack of imagination
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08:10<ml|>maybe he will run out tor hostmasks soon
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08:11<@abrotman>ml|: no, it's not
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08:11<OpenSourceBrad>ml| do you really think so?
08:11<ml|>no but one can hope
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08:12<ml|>abrotman: never used it but, they say it is why i'am asking
08:12<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: so install went well?
08:13<OpenSourceBrad>Also ml| good news, yes it did :V had a bit of soundblaster hitchs
08:13<ml|>fixed now?
08:13<OpenSourceBrad>yep, all is well for sound. i need to do some visual remodeling eventuly
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08:13<fal>hi there, need help with installation gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad, it gives me error that newest version of libgstreamer is installed and some stuff about dependencies... here's screen: Help please =(
08:14*stoeren is very sad gsumi is removed from lenny repos
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08:14<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: glad you got it installed and working good for you :)
08:15<sdetSe>FUCK YOU!!!
08:15<sdetSe>FUCK YOU!!!
08:15<sdetSe>FUCK YOU!!!
08:15<sdetSe>FUCK YOU!!!
08:15<sdetSe>FUCK YOU!!!
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08:15<Gekz>pwned by floodserv and debhelper
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08:17<OpenSourceBrad>ml|: this is great right now, but I am a sucker for pretty interfaces.
08:18<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: using gnome?
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08:18<aaas>FUCK YOU!!!
08:18<aaas>FUCK YOU!!!
08:18<aaas>FUCK YOU!!!
08:18<aaas>FUCK YOU!!!
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08:19<OpenSourceBrad>ml|: currently... yes.
08:19<_spOOn_>surely an op could ban *
08:20<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: take a look at ...
08:20<abrotman>he's gone again
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08:20<_spOOn_>even better :) thanks Ganneff
08:20<abrotman>dpkg: ganneff++
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08:21<Woet>when my server goes down with networking (barely responds to ping/ssh), the syslog is filled with '__ratelimit: X messages suppressed'
08:21<LuXor>I do: shutdown -rF now
08:21*abrotman didn't think that would fly, or he'd have done it ages ago
08:21<OpenSourceBrad>ml|: thanks, i was just going to whip up my own sprites and images, but there might be something nicer here.
08:21<Woet>what causes it and how to solve it?
08:21<LuXor>I do: shutdown -rF now - The computer restarted but has the same problem
08:22<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: np
08:22<LuXor>when i do: touch /forcefsck - occours this error: Cannot touch '/forcefsck' : read Only file system
08:22<Woet>lots of 'UDP: short packet: From 64/19 to x.x.x.x:5900' too
08:23<fal>hi there, need help with installation gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad, it gives me error that newest version of libgstreamer is installed and some stuff about dependencies... here's screen: Help please =(
08:23<ml|>LuXor: did it as root?
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08:25<stoeren>So anybody knows a Program like gsumi (pressure-sensitive b/w "digital ink" drawing program) but with more options? Gimp is no alternative, cause it is so laggy with my wacom tablet that i can see what i drew ~20 seconds later. I am fast drawer. Any suggestions?
08:25<LuXor>i've enter the root password
08:25<LuXor>and i do the command
08:26<LuXor>shutdown -rF now
08:26<LuXor>does not change nothing
08:26<LuXor>computer reboot
08:26<abrotman>LuXor: as root `touch /forcefsck` and reboot
08:26<LuXor>but have the same problem
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08:26<LuXor> when i do: touch /forcefsck - occours this error: Cannot touch '/forcefsck' : read Only file system
08:26<stoeren>Luxor did you really su to root?
08:27<abrotman>i figured
08:27<`jok>hi peoples -.-
08:27<LuXor>Cannot touch '/forcefsck' : read Only file system
08:27<_spOOn_>sounds to me like youre / filesystem is mounted readonly :)
08:27<`jok>hey gay
08:27<dpkg>It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.
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08:28<abrotman>it's not funny
08:28<LuXor>can anyone help me
08:28<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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08:30<azeem>`jok: do you have a Debian question?
08:30<@Ganneff>then stop talking
08:30<azeem>`jok: then please either keep quiet or leave
08:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
08:30<Nehyx>azeem: we want, wa want, ask you!! chan chan
08:31<azeem>Nehyx: do you have a Debian question?
08:31<Nehyx>azeem: yes
08:31<Nehyx>how can I move mouse
08:31<`jok>question for ubuntu
08:31<abrotman>`jok: ask #ubuntu on
08:31<Nehyx>abrotman: sorry, I am banned
08:31<`jok>idi nahooi
08:31<abrotman>Nehyx: please troll somewhere else
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08:31<Nehyx>k-lined there
08:32<abrotman>for tor abuse?
08:32<`jok>hey pidari
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08:35<Nehyx>How can I connect to msn via ssh?
08:36<chahibi>You mean in command line?
08:36<abrotman>use a console client like finch
08:36<@Ganneff>this is not a debian question..
08:36<Nehyx>irssi with bittlbebee
08:36<Nehyx>or I don't know plugins name
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08:39<Zathras_>some time ago my Lenny install got fubared (missing /usr/bin and /usr/lib got partly corrupted) due to disk issue. Now I have it almost repaired however some packages depending on python give me a hard time. Mainly system-lvm-config. I suspect some libs to be wrong. Any Python experts here that can help please?
08:39<Zathras_>reinstalling and purging does not do the trick
08:40<abrotman>Zathras_: are they missing the config files from /etc/ maybe ?
08:40<LuXor>|14:25| <LuXor> i've enter the root password
08:40<LuXor>|14:25| <LuXor> and i do the command
08:40<LuXor>|14:26| <LuXor> shutdown -rF now
08:40<LuXor>|14:26| <LuXor> does not change nothing
08:40<LuXor>|14:26| <LuXor> computer reboot
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08:40<Zathras_>when (re)installing the python module updater barfs on some stuff. Not on missing files but on their contents so it seems
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08:43<Zathras_>please see:
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08:50<jaggz->halp, X won't start after we moved to a new apt.
08:51<riomare1>i just installed lenny and i am trying to install nvidia drivers but i have xorg.conf blank
08:52<stoeren>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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08:52<ml|>riomare1: follow debian wiki page to install nvidia drivers
08:52<riomare1>yes i did that
08:52<Gathond>I think that is part of they new X scheme, autodetect everything
08:52<southernc>ml| dont you ever sleep ?
08:53<Gathond>of cause that resultet in a keyboard with alt-gr permanently enabled here
08:53<jaggz->I used to run x with "startx"... what am I supposed to use nowadays?
08:53<ml|>southernc: i'm a bot
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08:53<riomare1>but it says that i should put Load "glx" in the module section of xorg.conf but xorg.conf is blank
08:53<Gathond>jaggz-: startx works fine for me, just install xbase-clients
08:53<jaggz->use that dpkg-reconfig command to get an xorg.conf riomare1
08:54<riomare1>i tried it before but it didnt help
08:54<riomare1>i'll try it again
08:54<vvas>ml|: yeah, i was thinking the same earlier... which timezone are you on again?
08:54<jaggz->gathond, yeah, that's installed.. I don't see what's keeping it from running in xorg.conf
08:54<vvas>riomare1: err, there's a command for that
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08:54<stoeren>riomarel: when xorg.conf is BLANK, be sure to be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
08:54<vvas>riomare1: get the nvidia-xconfig package
08:54<stoeren>otherwise you just open a new file
08:55<stoeren>no wondering it is blank then
08:55<jaggz->Linux: "There's a command for that"
08:56<jaggz->Penguin commercial
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08:56<vvas>whatever. you win some, you lose some.
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08:57<riomare1>vvas: thx that helped me
08:57<jaggz->Unix is a linux-like operating system
08:57<ml|>riomare1: try ...
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08:58<abrotman>riomare1: it's normally blank
08:58<ml|>vvas: why do you want to know?
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08:59<vvas>just curious
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09:02<vvas>so 9am on the Sunday... heh, i don't think i'm ever awake at that particular point in the week :^)
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09:03<jaggz->maybe I can just live my life in text console
09:03<OpenSourceBrad>vvas: not to one up you, but finished a midnight to 8 am today/night @.@, its 10:30 now
09:03<jaggz->need higher text mode..
09:03<OpenSourceBrad>I just finished*
09:04<dpkg>i heard sleep is for wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk*
09:04<jaggz->why's svgatextmode so scary?
09:06<OpenSourceBrad>ml|: I am awake because i am in the dog house with the gf *sigh* so as i am planing the perfect recovery, i am making my pc look 'fresh' again
09:06<OpenSourceBrad>as i am making*
09:06<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: heh, make up soon :)
09:08<OpenSourceBrad>ml|: that is like rushing an eclipse
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09:08<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: /j #debian-offtopic
09:08<vvas>jaggz-: svgatextmode has been long outdated
09:09<vvas>jaggz-: these days, unless you're running really vintage hardware, you're better off using a framebuffer
09:09<OpenSourceBrad>sorry =)
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09:15<jaggz->just wondering if maybe I should stay in text console
09:15<jaggz->it's a bad idea.. gotta get X working.. I don't know why it's not running.. :(
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09:18<ml|>dpkg: tell OpenSourceBrad about xmonad
09:18<stoeren>jaggz-: what is the error message? is there?
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09:22<abrotman>Zathras_: can you reinstall your python-support package ?
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09:22<Zathras_>yes, but that does not help
09:22<Zathras_>already did a purge and reinstall
09:23<Woet>Jul 12 06:22:26 seal kernel: [ 344.004974] UDP: bad checksum. From to ulen 64
09:23<Woet>Jul 12 06:22:31 seal kernel: [ 352.249255] UDP: bad checksum. From to ulen 64
09:23<Woet>this causes my server to stop responding to networking properly
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09:24<Woet>together with Jul 12 06:20:47 seal kernel: [ 200.817169] __ratelimit: 102 messages suppressed
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09:26<Nehyx>And bye. :S
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09:26<rocky2>my mouse isn't working
09:26<Nehyx>rocky2: Hello.
09:26<rocky2>its a ps/2, and it didn't work on ubuntu or puppy either
09:27<rocky2>but it DOES work on DSL
09:27<Bernd_amd64>ps/2 ?
09:27<Woet>.. anyone?
09:27<abrotman>rocky2: modprobe psmouse .. try again
09:28<rocky2>should I restart?
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09:28<abrotman>rocky2: if you're going to do it that way, add it to /etc/modules
09:28<Bernd_amd64>no not really ... just restart X i needed
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09:32<rocky>I did modprobe psmouse, restarted x, and it doesn't work :(
09:32<rocky>what was that thing you mentioned about /etc/modules? would that help?
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09:34<abrotman>rocky2: if you're going to do it that way, add it to /etc/modules
09:34<abrotman>add the module name to that file
09:35<rocky>I assumes its "psmouse"?
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09:38<washi>I have been using Debian for quite some time now, in Lenny I spotted that xorg.conf is.. lacking reasonable info; only "configured device" everywhere; when I modified to be more meaningful, X wouldn't start
09:38<abrotman>washi: that's normal, Xorg probes and tries to pick the best settings
09:38<jaggz->you put poetry in xorg.conf?
09:38<washi>no, rebuilt it from logs
09:39<washi>but if there is a problem evetyone looks at xorg.conf
09:39<rocky>abrotman, I add "psmouse" to the modules file, right?
09:39<jaggz->my x stopped working after we moved
09:39<jaggz->I don't have my aiptek tablet hooked up anymore.. think the mouse/eraser/pen not existing could keep it from running? For some reason I can't see what's causing the failure in xorg0.log
09:40<abrotman>rocky: yes, at the bottom
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09:41<washi>so why is this config file undergoing such regression
09:41<azeem>washi: what kind of regressions?
09:41<azeem>so far you said you modified it and it resulted in a regression
09:42<azeem>so for that you should ask yourself
09:42<washi>comparing my current xorg.cong to the one in etch, this one won't help at all if threre is a problem with X
09:42<washi>azeem, I modified it to have more info
09:42<azeem>and then it failed?
09:42<washi>but then it didn;t work
09:43<stoeren># helps
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09:45<abrotman>washi: i told you why already
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09:46<rocky>abrotman, that didn't fix it
09:46<washi>suppose I buy a new VC; I will have to edit xorg.conf or if the x does not start I will look at logs and this file
09:46<azeem>what's VC?
09:46<washi>Video Card
09:47<azeem>washi: why would you edit xorg.conf for that?
09:47<vvas>washi: when there's a problem, people usually consult the log?
09:47<washi>but in the past I used to do that
09:48<washi>I mean
09:48<azeem>washi: I don't understand how you think this is a regression
09:48<enouf>washi: what is your point? you do not like the automagic X configuring itself via some HAL info??
09:48<stoeren>buy a new viedocard because x won't start ? hihihihi !
09:48<washi>enouf, that's right
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09:49<enouf>washi: welp, either get used to it, learn to work with it - or, build your own ;-)
09:49<rocky>ohai southernc!!!
09:49<washi>I usede to manually edit this file when I changed the video card
09:49<ml|>washi: you can edit add stuck if you like
09:49<southernc>hows your debian working out ?
09:49<enouf>washi: xorg.conf file settings override the automagic stuffs, i think you know that though
09:49<rocky>lol, southernc, my mouse still isn't working, I added "psmouse" to /etc/modules.... that didn't fix it. any other ideas?
09:50<washi>debian work perfectly as always, but the current lacking-info org.conf irritates me
09:50<azeem>washi: we know that now
09:50<enouf>washi: are you aware of the various man pages? {xorg.conf, intel, nv, radeon, ati, etc}
09:50<southernc>did you get a chance to make sure ps2 support in bios is on etc ?
09:50<washi>of course
09:50<stoeren>rocky have you gpm installed? do it! apt-get install gpm ...
09:51<jaggz->okay.. so I reconfigured xorg.conf and now I need to re-setup nvidia maybe
09:51<jaggz->since it still doesn't work
09:51<washi>jaggz, what is the video card?
09:52<rocky>stoeren, its installing right now... what should I do when its done?
09:52<stoeren>use your mouse?
09:52<rocky>we shall see.... XD
09:52<enouf>hrm, does gpm-config still exist?
09:52<southernc>anybody aware of a problem with ati radeon specifically 4800 keeps crashing computer when trying to watch a flash video or doing random things the screen gets all jittered freezez etc ive installed the fglrx drivers same thing still happens
09:53<washi>southernc, which drivers are used?
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09:53<enouf>southernc: if you use fglrx, you're on your own - try and uninstall all that for more help from #debian channels (or continue with fglrx, but look to #fglrx or #ati channels somewhere)
09:54<southernc>enouf: i installed them to try and fix the problem
09:54<southernc>but its still happening regardless
09:54<enouf>southernc: note, there's also a #radeon channel on - however, please atleast remove the fglrx stuffs _prior_ and let them know you had tried using it
09:54<jaggz->washi, not sure how to find out..
09:54<enouf>southernc: i understand
09:55<stoeren>rocky is the mouse working now on your console?
09:55<washi>jaggz, lspci
09:55<enouf>southernc: you likely just made it worse - _if_ your issue is indeed related to the driver/module
09:55<jaggz->it's an nvidia card I got.. PNY .. there it is..
09:55<jaggz->nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a2)
09:55<stoeren>oops ... seems he needs to boot into windoze to come to irc how funny
09:55<washi>jaggz, run lspci and it will tell the exact card
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09:57<SuperMiguel>on places where it says connect to a server then i pick ssh... where can i set the password?
09:57<rocky>stoeren, is there some configuration I have to do with gpm? my mouse didn't start working yet
09:57<ml|>jaggz-: have you used or read debian wiki page for nvidia
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09:57<jaggz->yeah that was from lspci
09:58*rocky has the numa numa song stuck in his head
09:58<washi>lspci gave only that it is Nvidia?
09:58<jaggz->oh, no, see the next line
09:58<stoeren>rocky: wouldn't it be better to use irc from your debian system? there is commandline irc client irssi you can use here
09:58<southernc>there any output to a log file that would show what exactly the problem is when it freezes ?
09:58<rocky>stoeren, I know about irssi
09:58<rocky>but I still need my mouse :<
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09:59<rocky>btw, I AM on my debian system right now, talking on xchat
09:59<rocky>the same computer that is having mouse problems
09:59<jaggz->mouse problems? :(
10:00<rocky>yep.... its kinda funny... I'm navigating through the gui using my keyboard XD
10:00<southernc>extensive use of the tab key :)
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10:00<rocky>lol, yeah
10:00<southernc>been there done that feel the pain
10:00<jaggz->nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a2)
10:00<rocky>and alt+tab, and alt+f1
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10:01<stoeren>rocky thats strange, forgive me, but gpm is just the daemon that captures mouse events when the system console is active... so did you alt f-whatever to check?
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10:01<rocky>I really don't know what you mean
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10:01<jaggz->so who hacked into my computer while it was in my car on the way to our new place and modified it so X would no longer run?
10:02<jaggz->and why can't I see the error which makes this happen
10:02<stoeren>perhaps just change the protocol in xorg.conf to imps/2 or ps/2 or mice or mouse
10:02<rocky>xorg.conf is empty...
10:02<vvas>jaggz-, if the computer stopped working correctly after physical transport, have you thought that perhaps physical damage is to blame?
10:02<rocky>idk why
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10:03<jaggz->how can I see what dpkg-reconfigure xxxx actually does?
10:03<jaggz->strace it? :)
10:03<jaggz->vvas, yes.. but everything seems okay
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10:04<jaggz->I'm on it now.. hd seems fine as far as I can tell..
10:04<jaggz->it was carefully transportated
10:05<rocky>stoeren, earlier you said to check to see if the daemon is running. How do I check?
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10:06<rocky>I see a gconf daemon in system monitor... but idk if that is gnome, gdm, or w/e
10:07*rocky will wait patiently now
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10:07<azeem>rocky: it's gnome
10:07<rocky>o, ok
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10:08<cozziak>anyone with experience with floppy boot disks?
10:08<southernc>enables floppy in bios
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10:09<cozziak>I need it to boot debian on a usb disk
10:09<rocky>well, honestly, I haven't checked recently whether or not ps/2 is enabled in bios or not, so brb
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10:15<jimg>hello, i just installed debian lenny on a laptop and have a weird issue. If i open a window its aligned to the bottom right automatically
10:15<Bernd_amd64>booting debian-usb via floppy ?
10:15<jimg>even the login screen is that way
10:16<jimg>any way to fix this ?
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10:28<cozziak>Bernd_amd64: booting debian-usb via floppy ?
10:28<cozziak>Yeah, do you know how please.
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10:29<Bernd_amd64>1st: no CD-ROM ? 2nd: can´t you boot directly from usb-stick ?
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10:31<cozziak>I can only boot from a usb-floppy. I have a usb-cd rom and usb-eth with me
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10:33<Bernd>cozziak, did you get my question ?
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10:34<cozziak>i cant boot directly from cd or usb-stick
10:35<Bernd__amd64>so give super-grub a try ---
10:36<cozziak>thanks, i will
10:36<Bernd__amd64>there is also a floppy image - boot it an you would be able to boot every drive ( when bootable )
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10:36<stoeren>cozziak: no hdd inside?
10:36<cozziak>it has got a hdd inside
10:36*stoeren is working on a t22 with debian installed (on hdd) by floppy disks (--> go to alternate install methods on debian site)
10:37<stoeren>problem could be the ethernet adaptor
10:37<cozziak>only etch supports install from floppy, but it doesnt support usb-floppy. i tried.
10:38<stoeren>i installed etch and upgraded to lenny
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10:39<vev>ppl i have a problem
10:39<drone77>who doesn't
10:39<vev>i just installed stable, cofigured static ip
10:40<vev>i have the nameservers in resolv.conf
10:40<vev>but they dont seem to work
10:40<drone77>route add default gateway <ip here>
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10:41<drone77>try that vev
10:41<vev>drone77: you are great
10:41<vev>drone77: thanks
10:42<Bernd__amd64>resolv.conf sound like gentoo ^^
10:42<stevendh>i have besides me a computer running testing with sid kernel (2.6.30) and a usb wireless antenna (rtl8187b); it works not with dmesg complaining "AP denied association (code=1)"
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11:39<vvas>ok, is there some document that explains how one combines a debian-packaged kernel source with a debian-packaged kernel patch?
11:39<abrotman>the kernel source should have the patches already
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11:41<vvas>the patch comes from a *separate* package
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11:42<azeem>vvas: seperate source package as well?
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11:42<azeem>vvas: or asked differently, what exactly do you want to combine?
11:43<rocky>hello again, stoeren
11:43<rocky>I'm still having problems with my ps/2 mouse
11:44<stoeren>rocky there seems to be some problem with ps2 under 2.6 with some special chips...
11:44<rocky>are there any workarounds?
11:44<stoeren>therefore dsl worked ... it has a 2.4 kernel
11:45<abrotman>rocky: dmesg | grep -i mouse
11:45<vvas>azeem: linux-source-2.6.30 with linux-patch-tuxonice
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11:46<stoeren>rocky i am giving up, im not that into kernel hacking... just suggesting to try different protocols for the mouse
11:46<chealer>vvas: I suppose you red README-kernelpatch.Debian, right?
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11:46<chealer>rocky: workarounds for what?
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11:48<vvas>chealer: i did, it provided me with no useful information
11:49<rocky>abrotman: [ 4.017917] ps/2 mouse device common for all mice
11:50<abrotman>rocky: so where is the mouse failing ?
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11:50<rocky>I really don't know....
11:50<abrotman>rocky: in X ? or at the console?
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11:51<abrotman>or don't answer ...
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11:52<rocky>abrotman, how can I find out?
11:52<abrotman>rocky: uhm .. where are you trying to use the mouse? in X or the CLI?
11:52<rocky>in x
11:53<abrotman>rocky: can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at ?
11:53<rocky>ummm... this is gonna be hard because I am so used to having a mouse, but I'll try XD
11:53<abrotman>rocky: let's try this another way
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11:54<abrotman>rocky: grep -i mouse /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... do you see which device it is trying to use ?
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11:58<rocky>it says "silken mouse enabled"...
11:58<abrotman>rocky: it doesn't have a Device line anywhere ?
11:58<abrotman>like (**) Configured Mouse: Device: "/dev/input/mice"
11:58<vvas>ok, never mind, i'll just build my own like i've always done *sigh*
12:00<rocky>it says (II) adding extended input device "<default pointer"> (type: MOUSE)
12:01<abrotman>not quite ...
12:02<abrotman>rocky: do you have a mouse device configured in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
12:02<rocky>no I do not
12:02<rocky>last time I checked, at least
12:03<abrotman>rocky: does /dev/input/mice exist ?
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12:03<rocky>it looks like it...
12:04<rocky>I'm gonna have to go...
12:04<abrotman>rocky: if you `cat /dev/input/mice` and move your mouse .. does junk fill your screen ?
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12:05<rocky>but I have to go... bai
12:05<rocky>cya later
12:05<rocky>thx for your help... :)
12:05<abrotman>i didn't help much
12:05<rocky>well, you tried
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12:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:15<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:17<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, jp is Japan
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12:20<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
12:20<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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12:22<vvas>having fun with the bot?
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12:23<vvas>i just tried network manager
12:23<azeem>Shinsaku: please /msg the bot
12:23<vvas>the fact that it needs an applet to be running to connect to network is the most retarded design decision i've encountered for a while
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12:24<azeem>vvas: of course it doesn't
12:24<azeem>because it would be retarded
12:24<vvas>well, that's what it did here
12:24<vvas>the moment i shutdown X, it disconnected from my AP
12:24<azeem>maybe you are misinformed about the design then
12:25<tzafrir_laptop>azeem, the version in Lenny?
12:25<azeem>tzafrir_laptop: what about it?
12:25*tzafrir_laptop is one of those that just gave up and moved to wicd
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12:26<vvas>azeem: ok... where does network manager store authentication credentials?
12:26*miguel89 is another one
12:26<vvas>my understanding is that the user-facing applet saves them software, not the background-running daemon
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12:27<tzafrir_laptop>the version in Lenny is just not good enough
12:28<azeem>vvas: it stores them in gnome-keyring
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12:28<azeem>that doesn't mean you cannot use network-manager through other means than the applet
12:28<azeem>AIUI, you can fully control n-m though its DBus interface
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12:29<vvas>yes, and i can also write my phd code in intercal
12:29<rocky2>abrotman, I'm back
12:29<rocky2>not sure how long I can stay tho
12:29<abrotman>that was quick
12:29<azeem>vvas: if you think that's a useful design decision...
12:29<vvas>azeem: my point exactly :^)
12:30<abrotman>rocky2: is your mouse explicitly configured in your xorg.conf ?
12:30<azeem>vvas: JFTR, design discussions are generally rather off-topic here
12:31<vvas>azeem: well, the next question was going to be whether there's something similar to network manager that handles this in a different manner
12:31<azeem>vvas: wicd?
12:31<azeem>might be an applet as well
12:32<tzafrir_laptop>(Not in Lenny either, but getting it from backports is very easy)
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12:33<vvas>hm, i'll give that a try too
12:33<abrotman>rocky2: grep -i mouse /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i device .. does it tell you which device it's trying to use ?
12:35<rocky2>I'll type up exactly what it says
12:37<rocky2>that is what grep -i mouse /var/log/Xorg.0.log returns
12:38<abrotman>and your xorg.conf is really empty ?
12:38<abrotman>and /dev/input/mice exists ?
12:39<abrotman>rocky2: can you run X -configure .. see if the xorg.conf it generates works for you
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12:40<rocky2>"fatal server error: server is already active for display 0"
12:40<abrotman>you have to shut it down first
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12:43<rocky2>my brother just help me stop it, but then it started again XD NOW he tells me to do services stop X11
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12:45<rocky2>someone told me earlier that it was a problem with the 2.6 kernel
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12:46<vvas>hm... in aptitude's interactive text mode interface, when i choose to install a package and there are alternatives in its depends/recommends, how do i tell it which of the alternatives to prefer?
12:46<vvas>for example, wicd says:
12:47<vvas>Recommends: gksu | kdesu | ktsuss | sudo
12:47<abrotman>rocky2: but it seems to see your mouse
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12:47<vvas>and i don't want gksu (what aptitude chooses, since it's the first)
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12:52<rocky2>my brother is saying that I need to disable the "silk mouse," as it is not the right type of mouse.....
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12:53<loudergood_>that's not a type of mouse, it's a "feature"
12:53<faderhval>Hallo :)
12:53<faderhval>if i have debian installed as a virtual machine is there anyway i can "install" that virtual machine as dualboot on my desktop?
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12:55<abrotman>rocky2: do you have gpm installed/configured ?
12:55<rocky2>installed, I don't know about configured...
12:55<rocky2>I never did any configuration
12:56<rocky2>I did something... weird
12:57<abrotman>unless you plan on using the mouse at the console, you don't need gpm
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13:00<rocky2>well... I still haven't been able to do that X -configure thing
13:00<rocky2>I really don't know how to stop it so that I can do that..
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13:03<abrotman>do you use gnome or kde ?
13:03<abrotman>/etc/init.d/gdm stop
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13:04<rocky2>ok...... I still can't do the X -configure
13:04<azeem>rocky2: what is the problem?
13:05<rocky2>it says I can't do anything to X because its "already active for display 0"
13:05<stroyan>faderhval: A virtual machine install may not have the right drivers and configuration to deal with your actual hardware.
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13:10<rocky2>would the mouse be a "PNP" device?
13:10<rocky2>I installed hwinfo and it found something.....
13:11<tzafrir_laptop>rocky2, plug'n'pray?
13:11<stoeren>just reinstall the xserver
13:11<rocky2>wel..... ok
13:11<rocky2>what would that be? apt-get reinstall Xorg?
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13:12<patrikf>rocky2: if X claims to still be running, it either a) is running or b) has stale (hidden) files in /tmp
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13:13<rocky2>should I delete those temp files?
13:13<patrikf>at least .X0-lock
13:13<patrikf>don't know what else the x server checks for
13:14<stoeren>apt-get --reinstall Xorg i suppose
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13:17<rocky2>I have to go
13:18<rocky2>cya later........
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13:38<faderhval>does debian 5.0 support 64 bit systems?
13:39<tzafrir_laptop>It actually supports 64bit for several platforms, but the one you're looking for is probably amd64
13:39<tzafrir_laptop>(and yes, it's also for intels)
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13:40<faderhval>Its actually for a core 2 quad 9550 system but thanks :)
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13:41<abrotman>that is an intel
13:41<abrotman>and amd64
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13:48<faderhval>i know that its an just expressing my self a bit clumsy i think :)
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14:10<D4vid_>()- jojojojo yo me parto :D -()
14:10<D4vid_>()- jojojojo yo me parto :D -()
14:10<D4vid_>()- juajuajua -()
14:10<D4vid_>()- Qué bueno. -()
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14:11<stoeren>invasion of spanish bots?
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14:11<sney>that was pretty funny actually
14:11<sney>esto es una banana.
14:11<sney>!op is this how I do this
14:11<dpkg>sney: okay
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14:12<stoeren>can't stand spanish... sounds like machinegunfire in my ears
14:12<sney>lemme guess
14:12<sney>usually the people I meet who hate spanish live next to mexico
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14:18<sney>l2ping: what was your question?
14:18<vvas>hm, how can i make aptitude display package priorities in its list?
14:18<vvas>and better yet, sort it according to them?
14:18<sney>man aptitude
14:18<l2ping>if enybody need to help to learn ruussia jr ukrainian, I can to help
14:20<vvas>sney: i don't see anything relevant in that manual page
14:20<vvas>sney: but thanks for playing
14:20<sney>then maybe it can't be done. manpages are usually pretty verbose
14:20<sney>l2ping: that sounds interesting but it's off topic in here
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14:21<l2ping>sney, I now
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14:28<fleuret>hi, people
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14:34<l2ping>enybody there use e16 ?
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14:43<squall889>ciao a tutti ragazza
14:45<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:54<Grayhax>[20:50] <Grayhax> Hi.
14:54<Grayhax>[20:50] <Grayhax> I have serious problems at boot with my debian lenny 5.02.
14:54<Grayhax>[20:51] <Grayhax> I installed it properly (note: the gparted from installation cd CANT resize ntfs partitions) and at boot it blocks there : "Setting up console font and keymap...". I tried ctrl+c, ctrl+alt+del, and alt+screenshot+b
14:54<Grayhax>[20:52] <Grayhax> and nothing happened. Please help me. Thanks.
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14:54<Grayhax>Thanks in advance
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15:16<Giomancer>I'm new to Linux. I've just installed Debian 5.02 on a VirtualBox WM, and I'm having a spot of trouble changing the desktop resolution. Anyone care to help me with this? ^^
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15:28<abrotman>i don't think the xfree86 docs are really what he wants
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15:28<abrotman>Giomancer: if you open an xterm, and just run `xrandr` .. does it list any other graphics options ?
15:28<Giomancer>Hm.. let me see.
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15:30<Giomancer>Aha! I does list some options, yes.
15:31<Grayhax>anyone can help my problem ? :) as said: [20:50] <Grayhax> Hi.
15:31<Grayhax>[20:50] <Grayhax> I have serious problems at boot with my debian lenny 5.02.
15:31<Grayhax>[20:51] <Grayhax> I installed it properly (note: the gparted from installation cd CANT resize ntfs partitions) and at boot it blocks there : "Setting up console font and keymap...". I tried ctrl+c, ctrl+alt+del, and alt+screenshot+b
15:31<Grayhax>[20:52] <Grayhax> and nothing happened. Please help me. Thanks.
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15:32<Grayhax>please someone? who can help me? at least try ?
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15:34<jaggz->would X actually stop booting up (at boot) if I don't have my aiptek tablet connected??
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15:35<jaggz->I moved and at my new place X11 won't run anymore and I don't see a distinct error message in the log
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15:43<jaggz->that's my Xorg.0.log
15:43<jaggz->Oh I think I got it to work
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15:47<Zathras_>in /var/cache/apt/archives I performed a debsums --generate=keep,nocheck *.deb
15:47<Zathras_>this resulted in a report about packages with an other version number or a report that package X is not installed
15:47<Zathras_>yet, I am very very sure that some if not all of them are installed
15:48<Zathras_>any idea what is happening please?
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15:50<Giomancer>abrotman: xrandr does list several options; I've tried xrandr -display 800x600, but that doesn't seem to work.
15:50<abrotman>does it throw an error ?
15:50<Giomancer>It just says it can't open it
15:51<Giomancer>And thanks for the help, by the way!
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16:02<danger>he crazy!
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16:12<Giomancer>Is there a config file I can edit to change the resolution on bootup?
16:12<drone77>on the CLI?
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16:13<Giomancer>drone77: What's the CLI? (don't hurt me, this is new to me)
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16:13<drone77>command line
16:13<Giomancer>ah! Yes.
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16:14<OpenSourceBrad>Giomancer: i do know you can get startup manager for Gnome, letting you configure the color bit, resolution and usplash
16:14<Giomancer>OpenSourceBrad: I'm using LXDE atm
16:14<drone77>Giomancer, are you using grub as a bootloader?
16:14<Giomancer>drone77: yes
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16:14<drone77>if so you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
16:15<drone77>and append vga=<3digitnumber> to the end of your kernel line thing
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16:15<drone77>e.g. kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sda2 ro vga=795
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16:16<drone77>Giomancer, see
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16:17<Woet>I'm looking for a stable, fast FTP server which supports hiding files (like vsFTPd) and allows virtual users (with the possibility of chrooting them to a unix user)
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16:21<Giomancer>Well, here's hoping it works
16:21<drone77>Giomancer, reading your above stuff with xrandr, this won't change that
16:22<drone77>it won't effect X
16:22<drone77>ah ok
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16:22<Giomancer>It didn't. :(
16:22<Giomancer>What should I do? :(
16:22<drone77>Giomancer, for X you can edit xorg.conf and add a device section
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16:24<Giomancer>drone77: Okay. Can you link what one of those looks like?
16:24<Giomancer>drone77: (I found xorg.conf pretty fast)
16:24<Giomancer>It's blank, though
16:25<drone77>it should be, X auto detects stuff from some version, but you can override it
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16:25<vvas>Woet: though it's been ages since i last set up an ftp server, i remember i was using proftpd. i'm not sure if it does everything you're asking for, but if you don't know it already, it's worth taking a look
16:25<Woet>hmm, yea, I remember using that, the features weren't there at the time
16:26<Woet>i'll have a look again :)
16:27<vvas>Woet: if you do "apt-cache showpkg ftp-server" it will show you all the available ones in the "Reverse Provides" section
16:27<ml|>or vsftpd
16:27<Woet>ml|: doesn't allow chrooting of a virtual user
16:27<Woet>i'm using vsftpd atm, and it supports virtual users, but you can't chroot them to a unix user
16:27<ml|>ah, ok
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16:29<drone77>Giomancer, i'll just find one
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16:31<drone77>Giomancer, I think that would work
16:32<Woet>proftpd looks like it improved a lot, thanks vvas!
16:32<drone77>just change the resolutions for what your monitor supports/you want
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16:33<Giomancer>drone77: yay! ty, ty, ty!
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16:34<drone77>Giomancer, works then i gather. Not a problem
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16:41<knoppix__>someone know if it is possible to install knoppix on an external hdd^
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16:42<Neo_The_User>i have an Intel Core 2 Duo CPU. Should I download ia64 or amd64?
16:42<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
16:42<nteon>Neo_The_User: amd64
16:42<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
16:42<Neo_The_User>you sure?
16:42<Guest926>i know
16:42<nteon>Neo_The_User: yes :)
16:43<nteon>Neo_The_User: core2 uses the AMD64 instruction set
16:43<Neo_The_User>dude your a genius
16:43*Neo_The_User gives nteon cookie
16:43<nteon>Neo_The_User: ha, thanks
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16:54<nteon>i just installed Sid on a fresh machine, and I'm having 2 issues. first, when maximizing an application in Metacity the titlebar/window decorations disappear
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16:55<nteon>and gnome-desktop-environment wont install because gnome-nettool is only at version 2.22 (some archs such as amd64 have the updated nettool, and as someone new to debian its not clear to me why they aren't built for others, such as i386) i should have mentioned this is an i386 machine
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16:56<nteon>i know sid is unstable, but these seem like issues i should be reporting/tracking down
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16:57<Lethalman>nteon, do you get any errors in your ~/.xsession-errors
16:57<Lethalman>what version of metacity?
16:58<nteon>Lethalman: ^
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16:58<ml|>nteon: your first issue is a known bug i believe, check bts
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16:59<Lethalman>ml|, could find it, maybe it's not under metacity
17:01<ml|>maybe under gnome
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17:02<nteon>okay, I'll check under gnome (I'm not seeing it under metacity)
17:03<nteon>this is the gnome-nettool status:
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17:06<OpenSourceBrad>how do you open files as root in xterm?
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17:07<ml|>su to login as root the use your editor of choice
17:07<OpenSourceBrad>:V opps, i mean x11 (gnome)
17:08<OpenSourceBrad>there is no way to do it in the GUI though right?
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17:10<ml|>there is with gksu, don't really remember tho, try in term gksu gedit file-to-open
17:10<ml|>man gksu
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17:11<nteon>ml|: I've had luck in the past with 'sudo gedit ...'
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17:12<ml|>nteon: i don't use it, but OpenSourceBrad wants to know
17:12<mastroquet>OpenSourceBrad: sux or gksu or kdesu
17:12<nteon>OpenSourceBrad: if you have sudo installed and setup, 'sudo gedit some_file' should work
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17:13<mastroquet>sudo gedit can be a bad idea, sudo can mess file permissios
17:14<ml|>best to su and use your prefered editor
17:14<nteon>mastroquet: oh yea? good to know
17:14<mastroquet>and you and up whith a .Xauthority belonging to root
17:14<OpenSourceBrad>yeah, i was hoping to find a way to avoid terminal, i've become mouse dependent over the years x.x
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17:14<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: it's not hard at all
17:15<OpenSourceBrad>i know this is just me being lazy
17:15<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: want some info or /msg dpkg grounding unix lessons grounding
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17:16<mastroquet>OpenSourceBrad: sux is a debian script that would do the trick, without the need to instal gksu or kdesu
17:16<mastroquet>but indeed vim or nano ar not difficult at all
17:16<ml|>gksu is installed by default
17:16<mastroquet>and harmless
17:17<mastroquet>ml|: depends on your "default"
17:17<ml|>!start an editor war
17:17<dpkg> is known to cause ulcers
17:17<ml|>mastroquet: when gnome is installed
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17:18<OpenSourceBrad>alright guys thanks for your help, I'ma just going to use gedit
17:18<mastroquet>Linus uses microemacs!
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17:40<mastroquet>good night
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17:40<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: so how are opening files as root?
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17:44<|Apache|>Hello to all!
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17:49<|Apache|>Can you help me
17:49<chaoticmass>I'm looking for SMP linux kernels for Lenny, but I don't seem to find any?? apt-cache search linux image doesn't list any SMP kernels as far as I can tell. I must be missing something...
17:49<|Apache|>I'm beginner in Debian...
17:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:52<amphi>chaoticmass: what does "grep SMP /boot/config-$(uname -r)" say?
17:53<craigevil>i may be wrong but i thought all debian kernels were SMP
17:53<ml|>me too
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17:55<avu>|Apache|, please don't send private messages to people you don't know
17:55<|Apache|>Thank you! I'm want to install Debian on my desktop based on Core E4500 processor with 2GB RAM... Can I install amd64 distribution on this PC? Or better i386?
17:56<adb>ml|: echo `me too`
17:56<|Apache|>sorry for my English((((
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17:56<ml|>adb: hah
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17:56<adb>|Apache|: what's your native language
17:57<Jason>how do I autodetect the printer and force it ot download generic PCL 3 laserjet printer driver?
17:57<|Apache|>In some linux distributions recommend to install amd64! What you can say about Debian?
17:57<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
17:57<stroyan>|Apache|: says amd64 will work (because the E4500 has EM64T.
17:57<ml|>|Apache|: if the processor supports it, it's your choice
17:57<|Apache|>He doesn't answer(())
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17:58<Jason>well anyone can answer my question?
17:58<|Apache|>I heard that I can have some problems with software? It's true?
17:58<ml|>Jason: if someone knows they will answer, be patient
17:59<Jason>ok :)
17:59<adb>|Apache|: what's your point ?
18:00<ml|>|Apache|: i would use 386 since you don't have more than 3.4gb of ram, unless you plan to add more ram and need what amd64 has to offer
18:01<dpkg>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead).
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18:01<adb>|Apache|: ^^
18:02<ml|>yes, but incurs a slight penalty
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18:03<Jason>I am trying to make the printer do the test page, but grayed out. Hm... weird printer o.O.
18:04<|Apache|>I heard that some operations such as video editing run faster on 64bit!
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18:05<ml|>depends how the app was written etc..
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18:05<rocky2>hello again stoeren et al
18:06<malex>Anyone knows when acroread from dmm will become installable again?
18:06<malex>on amd64
18:07<craigevil>malex: why not just use evince or if your on kde okular
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18:08<malex>craigevil: They're not showing some docs correctly, unfortunately. I do use evince 90% of the time.
18:10<stoeren>rocky2: do you have a xorg.conf now? does it work?
18:11<rocky2>um... no
18:11<rocky2>I never got xorg to shut down so I could run the damn config! XD
18:12<rocky2>I found something in my bios that I missed before (because I didn't know what PNP stood for at the time :D)
18:12<rocky2>apperantly I didn't have plug and play enabled or something, but still no luck.... I'm trying to boo puppy linux right now, to see if it works :/
18:13<rocky2>dammit, it didn't :(
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18:16<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
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18:17<rocky2>lol @ dpkg
18:17<dpkg>saturday is probably Tardsday Eve
18:17<dpkg>Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday
18:17<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tuesday is soylent green day
18:17<ml|>dpkg: tell rocky2 about selftell
18:18<rocky2>oh cool :D
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18:23<vvas>excellent, wicd was just what i needed
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18:24<vvas>... if it also handles my complicated EAP setups too
18:25<GazizovAndrey>It's me again...Apache...sorry, i'm beginner in IRQ client too....
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18:25<nteon>GazizovAndrey: what can we help you with?
18:25<GazizovAndrey> don't really answer on my question....
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18:27<nteon>GazizovAndrey: either i386 or amd64 should work fine for you, if you don't have a preference try i386
18:27<GazizovAndrey>nteon: Can I have some problems with software....whole system....on 64 bit distro? And what's you recommended for beginner?
18:27<GazizovAndrey>nteon: I wan't to use my PC on 100%
18:28<nteon>GazizovAndrey: I've been using amd64 for a while and haven't had problems, so you can take that for what its worth. go for amd64 then.
18:28<GazizovAndrey>nteon: OK...thanks...
18:28<nteon>GazizovAndrey: no problem
18:29<GazizovAndrey>nteon: amd64 for me is better
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18:31<GazizovAndrey>nteon: I'm answering because in another forums says that on some distributions most software only for 32bit.
18:31<rocky2>stoeren, I'm gonna try to configure xorg again..... any help would be appreciated
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18:32<rocky2>I mean, not JUST help from stoeren... first i need to stop xorg......
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18:33<rodiguim>hello people, can anyone tell me how do I exit the X, I want to install an Nvidia driver and it has to be with the X closed and I have no clue
18:33<rocky2>rodiguim, I'm in a similar boat as you :D
18:33<rocky2>I have very little clue myself, however :(
18:34<GazizovAndrey>rodiguim: log off and press ALT+F1 before log in....
18:34<rocky2>where will that put us? command line?
18:34<rodiguim>GazizovAndrey, thanks will try
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18:39<rocky2>GazizovAndrey, I pressed alt+f1 before login, nothing happened......
18:39<adb>halfmoon: you know about ?
18:40<stoeren>rocky2: ctrl+alt+f1
18:40<GazizovAndrey>rocky2: sorry....CTRL+ALT+F1
18:40<rocky2>o... okay
18:40<stoeren>back to x: ctrl+alt+f7 assumingly
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18:40<rocky2>so... x is stopped now?
18:40<GazizovAndrey>it's only text mode
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18:41<GazizovAndrey>so you can stop x servR
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18:41<stoeren>ctrl+alt+backspace, but if you run gdm it will start automatically again, damn script
18:41<rocky2>how do I stop the server now that I am in text mode?
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18:42<icarus>hello i tryed installing debiam amd64 on my lenovo thinkpad t500 and there was some sort of error involving google earth, what am i doing wrong
18:42<rocky2>rodiguim, its ctrl+alt+f1
18:42<rocky2>not alt+f1
18:43<rodiguim>rockstar, i found it :)
18:43<GazizovAndrey>sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
18:43<rodiguim>done already
18:43<rocky2>google earth has never worked well for me :/
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18:43<rodiguim>the only problem now is that my gcc doesn't match the one used to compile the driver
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18:43<rodiguim>dont know what to do
18:44<rocky2>stoeren, I did the configure thing, no mouse :(
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18:44<icarus>no its is just the google earth bit compleatly kills a otherwis flawless dvd installation
18:44<icarus>what should i do
18:44<GazizovAndrey>rocky2: you're stopped X server?
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18:45<rocky2>GazizovAndrey, yes, then I did X -configure, then loaded the new conf file....
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18:45<rocky2>ohai there
18:45<rocky2>now that I think about it, my computer is starting to act a tad strange since I did the -configure....
18:45<icarus>google earth
18:46<rocky2>stoeren, my computer hangs up when I used the configure thing
18:47<stoeren>rocky2, what is written in xorg.conf at Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse", Driver "mouse" ? could you post what stands there?
18:48<stoeren>but pls post as a link if too big
18:48<rocky2>uh... if its to big, I'm gonna have to give the jist, lol
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18:49<stoeren>oh my
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18:50<rocky2>lol, I'll just type it up in
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18:51<icarus>what is the most effent way of installing debian
18:51<icarus>that works
18:52<icarus>no realy
18:52<rocky2>I used netinst
18:52<craigevil>icarus: netinstall if you have broadband
18:52<rocky2>for my install^^
18:53<icarus>and why is debian for me
18:53<rocky2>omg, I can't believe my laptop battery is already almost dead -_-
18:53<rocky2>icarus, as opposed to what?
18:53<rocky2>what other OS are you thinking about using?
18:53<icarus>other linux distrubitons
18:54<rocky2>well... I've heard debian has a slower release cycle... so it has more security or something :D
18:55<icarus>wont the fact that people are slower at updateing it make it more prone to attack
18:55<rocky2>but the code was higher quality!
18:55<rocky2>I don't know much about debian, hehe
18:55<icarus>so netinstall worked for you
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18:56<rocky2>icarus, yes it did, with the only exception being my mouse, but that is probably the hardware, not the OS
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18:57<rocky2>seeing as the hardware is at least 10 yrs old
18:57<rocky2>ohai there
18:57<icarus>i will use netinstall now
18:57<rocky2>go for it!
18:58<Guiiks>i've a little problem with my sun blade 1000
18:58<Guiiks>can you help me ?
18:58<stoeren>rocky2: you have to read the manual first.. try Protocol: "PS/2"
18:58<icarus>thanks for your help
18:58<rocky2>my brother says the best way to find out what linux is best for you is to just try a bunch of different distros....
18:58<Guiiks>( sorry for my english, i'm not very good :s)
18:58<rocky2>Guiiks, its fine :)
18:58<rocky2>stoeren, there is a problem tho... the automagically generated conf made my computer hang :O
18:58<stoeren>rocky2: my suggestion is again: ubuntu! it would be nice to know what system you use
18:59<rocky2>stoeren, you mean what hardware?
18:59<rocky2>hehe, ok
19:00<stoeren>i had some problems with specific hardware and it can be found in the buglists of debian which ones cause problems... sometimes its because of the strict licensing policy of debian, that some hardware just DONT work out-of the box
19:01<Guiiks>when i turn on the PC , the screen doesn't receive informations from the station and then, i can't acces to the prompt to install debian via PXE
19:01<rocky2>um.... what do you want to know? I do know right off the bat that I'm using an AMD-K6-2/500 processor, some motrex gfx card, a vortex2 sound card..... I could tell you what motherboard I have, but I would have to check... I do know its an asus
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19:01<rocky2>stoeren, I'm gonna try booting up ubuntu live cd :) it'll be a minute or two
19:02<Guiiks>i mean, the station is automaticaly in server mode, so not screen, not keyboard
19:02<Guiiks>right ?
19:02<stoeren>my thinkpad has a Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] and its support has been removed from etch to lenny because there is no license for it
19:02<Guiiks>it's not mine, i receive it from my father's society
19:02<stoeren>so i had to do some research and had to build a special module
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19:03<rocky2>I'm trying ubuntu 8.10, if that doesn't work, I'll try 9.04.. the only reason I'm trying 8.10 first is because it starts up quicker :)
19:03<rocky2>for live cd and installation, I mean
19:04<stoeren>rocky2: so because of this strict policy it is sometimes better for beginners to use another distro where the regulatins arent that strict
19:04<rocky2>yeah... actually, the computer I'm talking on right now is using ubuntu 9.04 :D
19:04<stoeren>just give it a shot
19:04<rocky2>I just thought I would try debian, to see what happenes :D
19:05<Giomancer>stoeren: mm, that may be my problem.
19:05<Guiiks>nobody to help me ?
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19:07<Giomancer>I would if I could, Guiiks. :(
19:07<Guiiks>:( thanks
19:07<Guiiks>i gonna make some test this week
19:08<adb>Guiiks: what's that machine ?
19:08<rocky2>Guiiks, sometimes noone can help you right away. When that happens, either wait patiently, or come back when different people are online :D
19:08<Guiiks>an station blade 1 000
19:08<fal>hi there, need help with installation gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad, it gives me error that newest version of libgstreamer is installed and some stuff about dependencies... here's screen: Help please =(
19:09<adb>fal: on lenny ?
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19:10<adb>01:08:12] <adb> Guiiks: what's that machine ?
19:10<stoeren>im no linux guru, just an graphics artist and debian is way hard to handle and i had to do some readings ... in lenny a lot has been removed that worked in etch
19:10<fal>adb: yeah
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19:12<rocky2>stoeren, no luck
19:13<adb>fal: install libstreamer0.10-0
19:14<adb>fal: or fix your sources list
19:14<rocky2>stoeren, I don't think this is gonna work :/
19:15<zamolxes>hey, i got a failing disk, any ideea how can i view the dmesg output in this scenario? something in /proc or /dev, i don't know ?
19:15<rocky2>I might try 6.06 or something
19:16<fal>adb: libgstreamer is already installed and sources checked... =/
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19:16<stoeren>rocky2: no luck with what?
19:16<rocky2>stoeren, ubuntu 8.10
19:17<stoeren>rocky2: i thought you wanted to try 9.04 and, whatever is meant with "no luck", is there an error message, does the computer freeze?
19:17<adb>zamolxes: salut , paste the error on
19:17<rocky2>the mouse doesn't work...... idk..... i just want my mouse.................................................
19:18*rocky2 is having a slight emotional breakdown
19:18<adb>fal: so what's your problems ?
19:18<stoeren>rocky2 dont you have an usb or old serial mouse lying around?
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19:18<zamolxes>adb: no, that's just it, the disk is dead, so anything is giving -bash: /bin/dmesg: Input/output error. I'm wondering if I can see the kernel errors somehow, "cat" still works :)
19:19<Woet>Could someone please tell me what a chmod of 700 is in umask?
19:19<stroyan>zamolxes: I am a bit confused by your question. You would run dmesg or "cat /var/log/dmesg" to see dmesg output.
19:19<Woet>Or give me a manual/tutorial regarding umasks :)
19:19<rocky2>I DO have a usb mouse hanging around, but no usb pci card
19:19<dpkg>The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpage)
19:19<rocky2>I had a funky cable once, tho
19:19<fal>adb: honestly I don't know why it couldn't be installed...
19:19<zamolxes>stroyan: the disk is dead. no dmesg, no /var/log
19:19<rocky2>that... idk what it did, lol
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19:19<zamolxes>might have not expressed that clear enough :)
19:20<stoeren>rocky2: no usb???? what the heck is that for a pc? 486?
19:20<rocky2>I told you, damn it
19:20<rocky2>its about 10 years old I think..... the proc in it competed with the pentium II
19:21<rocky2>its an AMD-K6-2/500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < the processor
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19:21<stoeren>i suppose you install etch
19:21<rocky2>um.... idk... it was 5.02
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19:23<stoeren>i had a k6-2 myself it was around 1999, correct... no wonder ubuntu 8 or 9 wont boot... you need something that is better fitting to that old hardware
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19:24<adb>fal: apt-file search gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad
19:24<stoeren>and lenny is a bad idea too
19:24<adb>fal: is not in lenny ?
19:24<rocky2>lol, ubuntu boots fine
19:24<rocky2>just no mouse :<
19:25<rocky2>okay, maybe its a little slow
19:25<burnclouds>I have a bluetooth question. I just upgraded from an LG 8300 to the 8360. I am able to connect to the 8300 via bluetooth using rfcomm connect 0 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx 16. I know the new port to use is 9 (i.e. rfcomm connect 0 yy:yy:yy:yy:yy 9. The phone asks for the pin i enter 1234 and get permission denied on the computer
19:25<fal>adb: it is, but when I want to install it it gives me error displayed on screen
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19:25<adb>judd: versions gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad
19:25<judd>adb: gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad -- etch-multimedia: 0.10.3-0.5 lenny-multimedia: 0.10.8-0.0 sid-multimedia: 0.10.13-0.0 squeeze-multimedia: 0.10.13-0.0
19:26<zamolxes>hmm /proc/kmsg shows some stuff but it's pretty cryptic :)
19:27<ml|>!dmm lenny
19:27<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
19:27<adb>fal: ^^
19:27<burnclouds>any bluetooth gods out there?
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19:31<burnclouds>any one know how to pair bluetooth device from command line?
19:33<fal>adb: my sources list
19:35<musca>bluez - This package contains tools and system daemons for using Bluetooth devices.
19:35<adb>dpkg: tell fal about sources
19:37<fal>adb: please just tell me what to do, I don't have time for this...
19:38<craigevil>fal: its a wonder your system works at all with ubuntu repo in your sources.list and have you duplicates of several things
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19:38<burnclouds>I have the bluez package installed.
19:38<ml|>yeah that source.list is a bit scary
19:40<fal>so tell me what to remove and I will
19:41<fal>or edit that list and send me new
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19:46<adb>fal: ah , change `stable` with `lenny` on line 11
19:47<adb>and on line 1 missing `d` from deb ..
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19:58<fal>adb: okay package installed... but didn't solve my problem... damn IT, I want to play mp3 files in Rhythmbox
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19:58<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the Internet. Listening to mp3s can be an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience because the algorithm is patented in US and Germany (ask me about <ogg vorbis>). See also <lame>.
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19:59<adb>dpkg: tell fal about selftell
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20:00<fal>tell fal about lame
20:00<fal>dpkg: tell fal about lame
20:01<ml|>fal: /msg dpkg lame
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20:10<rocky2>well, I've decided to go with DSL... I think my hardware is just to old for debian
20:11<loudergood>too old for the 2.6 kernel eh?
20:11<rocky2>sorry, forgot about capslock :S
20:12<loudergood>what cpu is in that thing?
20:12<rocky2>lol... you don't wanna know
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20:12<rocky2>AMD-K6-2/500.... TOO LATE NOW! HAHAHAHA!
20:12<loudergood>I've got a laptop sitting in the corner with a pentium 133 in it
20:12<loudergood>with debian sid on it ;)
20:13<loudergood>using a gui is next to impossible though
20:13<loudergood>ssh all the way
20:13<rocky2>gui is slow on this
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20:13<rocky2>on debian at least, DSL is DAMN FAST
20:13<loudergood>just needs more ram
20:13<loudergood>I bet it is
20:13<rocky2>I'm settling with it :)
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20:14<rocky2>hmmmm... how big should I make the swap file?
20:14<rocky2>and should the swap be logical or primary
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20:15<burnclouds>I have a bluetooth question. I just upgraded from an LG 8300 to the 8360. I am able to connect to the 8300 via bluetooth using rfcomm connect 0 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx 16. I know the new port to use is 9 (i.e. rfcomm connect 0 yy:yy:yy:yy:yy 9. The phone asks for the pin, i enter 1234 and get permission denied on the computer and "pairing incomplete" on the phone.
20:15<rocky2>lol, DOUBLE POST!
20:16*rocky2 goes and finds the DSL irc channel
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20:20<vvas>burnclouds: hm, check hcid.conf for the pin-related options
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20:26<rocky2>which is better?
20:26<rocky2>grub or lilo?
20:26<rocky2>I'm installing on DSL.....
20:26<rocky2>oh, I'll just use grub... I'm more familiar with it :D
20:26<abrotman>grub in most cases
20:27<burnclouds> # Default PIN code for incoming connections
20:27<burnclouds> passkey "1234";
20:27<burnclouds>vass: # Default PIN code for incoming connections
20:27<burnclouds> passkey "1234";
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20:28<rocky2>man..... this is gonna be awsum
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20:28<rocky2>sorry, I shouldn't talk here :)
20:29<vvas>burnclouds: hm, weird
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20:30<drone77>marvelous, icedtea is giving Null pointer exception...
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20:35<burnclouds>any other ideas?
20:36<burnclouds>my old phone doesn't even ask for a pin
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20:44<Woet>Is there any command to get the UID of a username?
20:45<rudi_s>Woet: man id ; id -u
20:45<Woet>thanks :)
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21:13<sighK>hola all
21:13<Woet>hola you
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21:14<sighK>why is no one ever in kernel
21:14<Woet>and what are you talking about?
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21:16<sighK>channel #kernel
21:16<sighK>as in the linuc kernel
21:17<Woet>because nobody uses kernels.
21:17<loudergood>those are so 1985
21:17<sighK>no one uses kernels
21:18<abrotman>sighK: on this network it's #kernelnewbies i believe
21:18<sighK>you must not know much about a computer then
21:18<Woet>no, kernels are depreciated
21:18<Woet>we use asians now.
21:18<jrabbit>no one uses kernels
21:18<sighK>fuckin retards
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21:19*Woet runs off crying
21:19<loudergood>some people have no sense of humor
21:19<abrotman>at least i gave him the answer .. too bad it was lost in all your noise
21:19<Woet>sure, blame us!
21:19<abrotman>oh . but there's only one person there .. hrm
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21:40<Orm>is there anyone here who can help me without chastizing me?
21:40<Orm>every time I ask for help, i get my balls torn off, as if I am automatically supposed to know EVERYTHING about linux the first time i install it
21:41<Orm>I have a laptop that refuses to connect in any way shape or form to the internet
21:41<Orm>NOTHING is working
21:41<Orm>it is a compaq presario v2565 notebook
21:41<Woet>you're supposed to know everything about linux, please come back later
21:41<Orm>just what I need
21:42<Woet>i'm looking for you, hang on.
21:42<Orm>thank you
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21:42<Orm>i can't get anything from the internet on it, so the aptitude commands are useless for me
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21:46<chealer>Orm: just ask your question
21:46<Woet>[03:41:01] <Orm> I have a laptop that refuses to connect in any way shape or form to the internet
21:47<Orm>i am a linux retard
21:47<Woet>i think it's pretty easy to turn that into the question 'how to make my laptop connect to the internet'
21:47<Woet>and no idea, Orm
21:47*Orm cringes
21:47<Woet>never used debian desktop either, sorry :p
21:47<Woet>as in, i never used debian besides servers
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21:48<Orm>fuck it then, i'll just try ubuntu
21:48<Orm>the 'tard distro
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22:34<shweppsie>if i want layer 7 matching i need to patch my kernel right?
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22:38<bash>Hey guys.
22:39<bash>I made a chroot because Google earth wont install on 64 bit.
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22:39<bash>but every time i try to run google earth it gets segment fault :/
22:39<bash>Do i need to install Video drivers in the chroot to?
22:41<craigevil>bash you shouldnt need to run it in a chroot at all> take a look at
22:41<abrotman>the actual text of the segfault might be helpful
22:42<bash>i tried that but it didn't work.
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22:43<bash>When i tried getting ia32-gtk it told me i need ia32-apt-get and i installed it but it keeps acting like its not installed
22:43<legnaleurc>because it is conflict with other packages
22:44<legnaleurc>are you using sid?
22:44<craigevil>ia32-apt-get has been broken forever >
22:44<legnaleurc>use ia32-* in testing
22:45<legnaleurc>instead of sid
22:46<legnaleurc>ia32-libs-gtk depends on ia32-apt-get, but ia32-apt-get conflict with ia32-libs-gtk
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22:48<drakeman>ml|, hey, how are you! good afternoon!
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22:54<bash>legnaleurc: do you have the testing repo?
22:55<legnaleurc>bash: just copy your sid repo and replace 'sid' to 'testing'
22:56<bash>legnaleurc: Whats the dif between squeezy and sid?
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22:56<bash>i mean squeezy and testing...
22:57<legnaleurc>they are same
22:57<legnaleurc>just an alias
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22:57<bash>so putting squeezy in the repo wouldn't work?
22:57<legnaleurc>yes, it will work too
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22:57<craigevil>yes using squeeze or testing will work
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22:58<legnaleurc>sid=unstable squeeze=testing lenny=stable
22:59<bash>i know there is a way to get a specific version i read it somewhere do you guys know?
22:59<bash>is it like apt-get install -v or something?
22:59<bash>its -t
22:59<legnaleurc>personally recommend aptitude
23:00<craigevil>if you want something from a specific repo do apt-get -t testing install foo
23:00<abrotman>really should be using aptitude
23:00<abrotman>!why aptitude
23:00<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
23:01<bash>ok how would you specify it useing aptitude?
23:01<chealer>bash: yes. just see apt-get's manual page
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23:01<bash>would it be the same thing?
23:01<bash>sudo aptitude -t?
23:01<legnaleurc>apt-get is a backend
23:01<legnaleurc>sudo aptitude
23:02<legnaleurc>and you will see a curse interface
23:02<bash>to get package from testing it would be sudo aptitude -t testing?
23:04<bash>do i have to get testing packages for everything else too?
23:04<bash>like ia32-gtk etc
23:04<bash>or can i use sid
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23:05<bash>legnaleurc: !
23:05<legnaleurc>no, other dependency should use testing too
23:05<legnaleurc>that's why i recommend aptitude
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23:06<bash>so for everything with ia32 I should use testing?
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23:06<legnaleurc>for now, yes
23:06<chealer>bash: you use unstable as your default release?
23:07<chealer>bash: why?
23:07<legnaleurc>until new(or old) ia32-libs come back to sid
23:07<citerus>need help on svn on ubuntu
23:07<bash>Because i like to have new packages as they are released...
23:07<legnaleurc>citerus: #ubuntu ?
23:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
23:08<bash>head over there
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23:10<citerus>how to connect to ubuntu server??newbie
23:10<legnaleurc>bash: you can try aptitude's interactive mode, and select right versions.
23:11<bash>how do i do that?
23:12<legnaleurc>use aptitude without arguments
23:13<chealer>bash: you should use testing if you want frequent updates. unstable should not be used as a default release in general.
23:14<legnaleurc>bash: because unstable is just unstable :P
23:14<bash>Why is ia32-apt-get broken 0_o
23:14<bash>I got it off the testing repo...
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23:16<legnaleurc>bash: you should use right dependency for ia32-libs-gtk
23:16<legnaleurc>purge ia32-apt-get first
23:17<bash>how do i do that :D
23:17<bash>aptitude purge <package>
23:17<legnaleurc>press '_'(underline) on the package if you are in interactive mode
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23:18<legnaleurc>or in command line use purge option, just as you typed
23:18<bash>Ok i did that... Now it says The following new package will be installed
23:19<bash>and it says all the options
23:19<bash>the gtk package
23:19<bash> /N /+ /- /_ /:/ ?/
23:23<bash>What exactly does purge mean?
23:24<legnaleurc>remove package and remove all confirgurations
23:24<legnaleurc>ok, lets redo all this stuff
23:24<legnaleurc>aptitude purge ia32-*
23:24<legnaleurc>aptitude install -t testing ia32-libs-gtk
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23:29<bash>Its still saying it conflicts with it :/
23:29<legnaleurc>ia32-apt-get seems never removed
23:29<legnaleurc>are you sure you have removed ia32-apt-get?
23:29<bash>i did aptitude purge ia32-*
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23:30<legnaleurc>ok, aptitude purge ia32-apt-get
23:30<legnaleurc>be sure it is removed
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23:32<legnaleurc>i think the interactive mode will be easier to deal with dependency problem ....
23:32<bash>its not finding the package now 0_o
23:33<legnaleurc>have you updated sources list?
23:34<bash>wait after the purge?
23:34<bash>ill update it again...
23:34<bash>kk it found it now
23:35<bash>The following packages will be REMOVED:
23:35<bash> libcdio7{u}
23:36<bash>its a package for reading and controling cd-rm 0_o
23:37<legnaleurc>maybe it is using libcdio10 now
23:37<craigevil>bash that should be Ok i run sid and i dont have that package installed
23:37<bash>actully it didn't find it..
23:38<bash>it was just removing useless packages :/
23:38<legnaleurc>the package marked removed because no other packages depends it in your system
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23:38<bash>ya, why isn't it finding ia32-libs-gtk :/
23:40<legnaleurc>hmm ... ok, i got something wrong
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23:41<legnaleurc>ia32-libs-gtk seems the new package which created with ia32-apt-get
23:41<legnaleurc>so it is in unstable only
23:42<legnaleurc>and still it conflict with itself ...
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23:42<bash>so what do i do?
23:42<legnaleurc>why you need to install ia32-libs-gtk?
23:42<bash>google earth
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23:43<legnaleurc>could ia32-libs make it works?
23:43<bash>Can you install nvidia drivers in Chroot?
23:44<bash>because i think thats whats causing it to segment fault
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23:47<legnaleurc>wait ... i am trying install google earth on my machine
23:47<legnaleurc>Debian sid amd64
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23:49<bash>all the the probs i have are on the 2ed page...
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23:57<GRAO>Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use
23:57<GRAO>"/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.3.2". This configuration is not recommended and
23:57<GRAO>VMware Server may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same
23:57<GRAO>compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler
23:57<GRAO>"/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.3.2" anyway?
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23:59<legnaleurc>bash: i am sorry, ia32-libs-gtk is necessary
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23:59<legnaleurc>bash: but for now it is just broken
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