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---Logopened Tue Jul 14 00:00:06 2009
00:00<Jason>I looked and it's not in thel ist
00:00<Bernd_amd64>how could you compile module if it is not installed -.-
00:00<Bernd_amd64>it definitly is installed !
00:00<Jason>because it wants the kernel modules?
00:00<Jason>well where is it then?
00:00<Bernd_amd64>type at console : VirtualBox
00:01<Jason>bash: VituralBox: command not found
00:01<Jason>told ya
00:01<Bernd_amd64>have you installed ssh ?
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00:01<Bernd_amd64>normaly install of vbox takes 5min without download ...
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00:02<Bernd_amd64>so if you want i could do it for you in a screen via ssh ...
00:02<Bernd_amd64>so you can see what is do
00:03<Bernd_amd64>are you behind a router ?
00:03<Jason>sadly yes
00:03<Jason>installing ssh
00:04<Bernd_amd64>damn it .. so you have to route a port ... and i belive this would be the next problem ..
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00:05<Jason>I can remote desktop
00:06<Bernd_amd64>accept pm ?
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00:17<gsimmons>firefox: What wireless LAN device (brand, model/revision) do you have?
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00:20<Jason>yay finally
00:20<Jason>all hard work is done
00:21<ml|>!win Jason
00:21<dpkg>Congratulations, Jason! You have won the US presidency!
00:21<Jason>now when I make an another computer, I'll install debian and relearn
00:21<Jason>oh I wish I could be a US president
00:21<ml|>Jason: maybe make some notes while it's fresh in you mind
00:22<Jason>I agree
00:22<Bernd_amd64>not really --- you will got killed or be an asshole ^^
00:22<Jason>I'll ask in the other time
00:22<Jason>he's right
00:22<Jason>ok it is installing XP now
00:22<Jason>in VituralBox
00:22<ml|>Jason: new to linux?
00:23<Jason>the real copy of XP :)
00:23<Jason>kind of
00:23<Jason>I'm not new to ubuntu
00:23<Jason>but new to debian
00:23<ml|>i mean in general?
00:24<Jason>possibly, yes
00:25<ml|>would you like to learn a bit?
00:25<Jason>yes of course :)
00:25<Jason>I need to make an another linux desktop
00:26<Bernd_amd64>Jason, if you install again later ^^ :
00:26<Jason>with wireless
00:26<Jason>ok thanks
00:26<Jason>if my old Dell p1500 printer will support better, wish it will use windows driver to work
00:26<ml|>ok, /msg dpkg dpkgbot then go to dpkg window and type selftell, grounding, unix lessons, referemce
00:27<Jason>it is why I am installing XP in vituralbox so I can print
00:28<ml|>drakeman: don't fully understand
00:28<drakeman>ok, sorry, thats for my english,
00:29<Jason>I just wish debian give me more information on supported hardwares
00:29<Bernd_amd64>p1500 will partly work under linux
00:29<Jason>I know...
00:29<drakeman>ml|, ok look how do i know if i have a .so file, how do i know to that .so file belongs to what package, ohh hard to explain for me, ok here, the bot can tell you liek this..
00:29<Jason>I need to get an better printer anyways
00:29<ml|>dpkg: tell drakeman about apt-file
00:30<drakeman>!find testing
00:30<drakeman>and the bot send me the package name for that file.
00:30<drakeman>ok, going to read.
00:30<dpkg>Debian Search of '' (2): (/usr/lib/{|}) in libs/libnspr4-0d ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/ in libdevel/libnspr4-0d-dbg.
00:31<ml|>drakeman: ^^^
00:31<drakeman>ml|, thankssss. thats what im asking for, sorry for my bad explanation
00:31<drakeman>ml|, hard for me to explain that.
00:31<drakeman>thanks ml!
00:32<ml|>i haven't used apt-file yet, i'm going to install it now actually
00:32<ml|>Jason: tried the above to use dpkg?
00:33<Jason>I am ok, I'm done, but I'll stay, but I am still curious on putting a cpu temperature panel thing
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00:34<drakeman>ml|, apt-file is awesome ;D
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00:35<Jason>how do I install the cpu temperature monitor?
00:36<ml|>Jason: i meant this ... /msg dpkg dpkgbot then go to dpkg window and type selftell, grounding, unix lessons, referemce
00:36<Jason>I'll look on it later, but I'll save this for later, thanks anyways
00:37<drakeman>Jason, you want and advise, and is for me too, look is better to search anythihng you want to know in google before asking here, because is easier to the experts here to help you with an specific problem that help you with all, and looking in google you can learn faster.... (this is for me too)
00:37<Jason>command not found
00:37<drakeman>Jason, try too use google first and if you have a problem then ask here, and is sure that anyone here that knows about it is going to help you..
00:38<Jason>true... sorry.
00:38<ml|>Jason: it was just a suggestion, but i highly recommend you try the above
00:38<Jason>I'm just afraid to mess it up
00:38<drakeman>well, continue with you questions :D
00:38<Jason>ok I thought lm-sensor?
00:38<Jason>I thought I had lm-sensor installed
00:39<Bernd_amd64> ;)
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00:40<Jason>I think I need ot rest my brain, my mind is overloaded :)
00:41<ml|>drakeman: apt-file did what you needed?
00:41<drakeman>ml|, yes, thanks :D i didnt have it installed
00:41<drakeman>Jason, install rutebook (aptitude install rutebook) ---> is a linux manual.
00:41<drakeman>Jason, very informative.
00:42<Jason>oh good idea
00:42<drakeman>Jason, im reading it too. very nice things
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00:42<drakeman>ml|, install apt-file, make easier the job :D
00:42<ml|>debian-reference is helpful :)
00:43<drakeman>ml|, yes xD
00:43<ml|>drakeman: just did
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00:43<Jason>I installed rutebook
00:43<Jason>where is it?
00:43<drakeman>whereis rutebook
00:44<drakeman>Jason, you can find the html verison in /usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html (add you your favorites in you browser)
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00:44<Jason>it shows up blank
00:44<drakeman>well, i already say the path
00:44<Jason>even I installed it
00:44<Jason>so weird
00:44<ml|>drakeman: debian-reference is available in 'es' :)
00:45<drakeman>ml|, yes?
00:45<drakeman>Jason, you can use locate rutebook too
00:45<ml|>yes aptitude then in ncurses search for reference
00:46<Jason>not there
00:46<Jason>so weird
00:46<Jason>I'll try install it again
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00:47<drakeman>ml|, okk, thanks :D but i like in english too, to learn more, hehehe
00:47<Jason>true drakeman
00:47<drakeman>is easier for me get the errors in english and just copy and paste that have it in spanish and then i have to translate it, and i bad :D
00:47<ml|>drakeman: you don't to install all of them just debian-reference debian-reference-common and the languages that you want, so unselect toe ones you don't want
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00:48<drakeman>ml|, thanks for the tip :D
00:49<drakeman>ml going to do that
00:49<ml|>np, i try to avoid wasting space installing stuff that is not needed
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00:50<drakeman>ml|, :D
00:51<ml|>yes, that works too, but this way you also have it anytime by using terminal ;)
00:52<drakeman>ml|, thats right!
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00:52<ml|>drakeman: so flash workimg for you in opera now?
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00:54<drakeman>ml|, yes :D
00:54<drakeman>ml|, problems with some .so files.
00:54<drakeman>abrotman helped me with that.
00:54<drakeman>thanks for asking!
00:56<ml|>good, i tried opera briefly can't stop using iceweasel plugings ;)
00:56<Bernd_amd64>opera ftw . best browser ever
00:56<ml|>!lart Bernd_amd64
00:56*dpkg judo chops Bernd_amd64
00:56<drakeman>ml|, i choose opera because i was using firefox but when i enter to a loaded site with flash animations the scroll down was really slowwwwwwww
00:57<drakeman>and with opera the scroll runs smootly
00:57<Bernd_amd64>ml|, ?
00:57<ml|>ah, maybe Bernd_amd64 is right ;P
00:57<ml|>Bernd_amd64: joking sorry if i offended you
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01:05<drakeman>Jason, you installed virtualbox succesfully?
01:06<Jason>I had to shut it off and open the usb support then my printer will work
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01:06<drakeman>ml|, hey im installing nomachine, to get access to X through ssh. xD
01:06<drakeman>Jason, nice man!
01:06<Jason>yeah finally
01:06<Jason>Bernd__amd64 helped me
01:07<drakeman>Jason, nice man, and you learn a new thing :D thats the best part of debian.. :D
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01:08<ml|>drakeman: never heard of nomachine and does not come up in aptitude got the name right?
01:08<jm_>it's not in debian, sadly
01:09<jm_>freenx stuff etc.
01:09<drakeman>ml|, :(, im download it from, im reading about config,
01:09<drakeman>jm_, you have use freenx?
01:09<jm_>drakeman: nope
01:10<jm_>it was royal pain in the ass to try when i felt like it
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01:10<drakeman>jm_, i see!, i have the node and the server installed, i have to configure it, but reading the manual first
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01:12<ml|>drakeman: don't you use ssh now?
01:12<drakeman>ml|, yes
01:12<drakeman>just ssh.
01:13<ml|>why would you need nomachine for then?
01:13<drakeman>but in this moment im in my computer i use it ssh in the day 8am to 5pm :D
01:13<drakeman>ml|, to run my installed applications in my windowss xp in my work
01:14<ml|>oh to connect to work machine?
01:15<jm_>nox has some benefits over plain ssh x11 forwarding
01:15<drakeman>to connect from my work computer to my home linux :D
01:16<drakeman>didnt try before ssh x11 forwarding, in fact i have it disable in sshd_config
01:16<ml|>drakeman: don't you do that now via ssh?
01:17<ml|>connect to home system
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01:17<drakeman>ml|, yes when im in work but just connect through ssh (only text) no x11 forwarding
01:18<drakeman>never tried before
01:19<ml|>ok, are you paying for this?
01:19<drakeman>ml|, no, why?
01:19<drakeman>paying for what?
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01:20<ml|>oh, if you where, was going to suggest you try ssh with forwarding X
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01:21<ml|>but nevermind me just asking ;)
01:21<drakeman>ml|, can i do my research about that tomorrow in work to enable it and try it, never tried before, dont know how that work, but i can read about it tomorrow
01:21<ml|>i was just wondering
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01:22<Jason>I am having a bit hard time with printer
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01:23<drakeman>ml|, ok :D
01:24<drakeman>hehe opera dont work well with
01:24<drakeman>it crash :(
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01:25<adama26>my screensaver (gnome-screensaver) has quit working. where should I look for errors etc.?
01:25<drakeman>adam26 is a debian bug
01:25<drakeman>wait, let me give you the bug number.
01:26<craigevil>drakeman: opera: Installed: 10.00.4402.gcc4.qt3 works on here
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01:26<drakeman>craigevil, is a beta?
01:27<drakeman>craigevil, im using 9.64
01:27<drakeman>mm changing opera version :D
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01:28<adama26>that could be it Drakeman, thanks
01:28<drakeman>adama26, i have the same problem :D
01:29<drakeman>craigevil, downloading xD
01:29<drakeman>craigevil, tell you the resluts tomorrow, see you guys, thanks ml
01:30<drakeman>opera 9.64 "stable" has bugs
01:30<ml|>drakeman: good night
01:30<drakeman>ml|, xd
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01:36<jm_>heh interesting - he just mentioned nx,
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01:42<ml|>ouch that sucks for nomachine
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01:56<twb>I want an HTTP proxy that will run tidy -asxml and then arbitrary XSLT transformations over the resulting page.
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01:57<twb>In this was, I will get browser-agnostic greasemonkey-style page unmangling.
01:57<twb>Does Debian already have such a proxy?
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02:01<twb>Hmm, tidy-proxy is perhaps close...
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02:20<adama26>judd: versions gnome-session
02:20<judd>adama26: gnome-session -- etch: 2.14.3-5 lenny: 2.22.3-2 squeeze: 2.22.3-3 sid: 2.26.2-1
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03:12<externaldrive>Hi All
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03:13<externaldrive>i'm tring to follow this guide :
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03:13<externaldrive>but when i'm at the step : 2. Install Packages Essential for live CD:
03:14<externaldrive>in chroot mode, i have no network working and no device detected ... so i'm not able to issue the command : apt-get install casper discover1 xresprobe
03:15<externaldrive>have you any suggestion ? thanks!
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03:18<xmaster>helo all
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03:19<bhaart>i have problem with wifi card: realtek 8187b
03:19<bhaart>i have 2.6.30 core and there are native drivers
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03:19<bhaart>and when computer starts the wifi lamp is on
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03:20<bhaart>but then after few seconds is off
03:20<bhaart>also FAM is failed after starting wifi-radar
03:20<bhaart>somebody has a solution?
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03:22<ml|>have read the debian wiki on wifi?
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03:24<ml|>and this ...
03:24<bhaart>i read all things about it (i guess)
03:24<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>.
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03:27<bhaart>but is there any description for sid installation?
03:27<bhaart>i can't see it
03:27<bhaart>so what should i do
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03:33<bhaart>so i have install moule rtl8187 with 'modprobe rtl 8187'
03:33<bhaart>but when i type iwconfig
03:33<bhaart>it says that there are no wireless extensions
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03:34<ml|>bhaart: there is a section for sid on that page
03:35<craigevil>bhaart check your /etc/network/interfaces that it has a wlan0 line
03:35<bhaart>yes but sid section is for RTL8187SE and i have RTL8187B
03:36<adama26>how do I disable the removal of <unmarkauto> packages by aptitude?
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03:36<craigevil>thast because you do not have to do anything difference on sid for rt8187
03:36<bhaart>in /etc/network/interfaces i have nothing about wlan0
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03:37<bhaart>i will restart comp, brb
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03:38<ml|>maybe best if was not running sid
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03:39<dpkg>i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
03:39<ml|>hehe :)
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03:40<craigevil>probably just had to have kde4 or new gnome
03:41<ml|>yeah or something else
03:41<craigevil>if he cant manage to do something as simple as get wireless working there is no way in hell he should be running sid
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03:42<ml|>yes, why i said that, when he comes will ask a question or two and maybe recommend he use lenny
03:42<ml|>but it is his system after all tho so
03:43<externaldrive>have you any clue or point me to some docs on how to enable the network when i'm in chroot ? this is my ifconfig :
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03:43<craigevil>adama26: take a look at /usr/share/aptitude/help.txt
03:44<adama26>gpm does crap copy/paste
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03:45<ml|>externaldrive: have you looked at debian reference manual, that might help
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03:47<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version is at , also . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is "debian-reference": 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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03:50<adama26>I'm trying to do "aptitude install some stuff" but it's trying to remove a lot of packages which I might want... I just need to disable that
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03:51<ml|>adama26: use ncurses will make it easier for you
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03:57<bhaart>so i have installed kde network manager but wifi is still not running
03:58<bhaart>i tried everything
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04:00<gsimmons>bhaart: You earlier mentioned no interface was available for your device. What specific wireless LAN device do you have? (brand, model/revision). You can provide the output from lsusb (at a pastebin) if you're unsure.
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04:00<bhaart>its Realtek 8187B, and it's not usb, but pci
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04:02<adama26> I wanna do that but not the autoremove part.
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04:04<ml|>adama26: what are you trying to do?
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04:09<adama26>downgrade all those sid packages back to squeeze and get my nvidia drivers working again, I upgraded gnome-session because gnome-screensaver is broken in squeeze
04:09<adama26>I installed gnome-session &deps from sid but that broke stuff (e.g. nvidia)
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04:11<adama26>I could unmarkauto all those packages but it's a pain in the ass in cli and I don't know if I actually need them
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04:11<adama26>and I can't get apt-get to do the downgrade properly
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04:12<jm_>yes, apt is not meant for downgrades
04:13<ml|>hmm, might be better/easier to upgrage the nvidia packages then
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04:14<adama26>switch to sid?
04:15<ml|>no, just install what is needed from sid
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04:15<ml|>to get things working
04:17<ml|>hopefully most of that stuff moves to testing and things won't be to bad then
04:17<ml|>soon i meant
04:19<ml|>adama26: maybe next time be more patient
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04:20<Coconut>good morning, anyone out there?
04:20<ml|>!greet Coconut
04:20<dpkg>Moo, Coconut
04:20<adama26>but I needs my shiny screensavers!!
04:20<Coconut>:) i have a problem with my freshly installed debian
04:21<craigevil>just use xscreensavers :)
04:21<ml|>hah, i think screensavers are a waste of power, but to each it's own ;)
04:22<Coconut>i installed debian on a partition of my laptop-hdd, everything worked fine. the installation finished without any problems, but after a reboot i cant log in :(
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04:22<Coconut>neither as root nor as user
04:22<ml|>using right passwords?
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04:23<Coconut>yes, i wrote them down on a sheet of paper and used them when i created the accounts/pwds
04:24<jm_>!i forgot root's password
04:24<dpkg>1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
04:25<Coconut>where is the ? on a english keyboard-layout?
04:25<Vroomfondle>which english keyboard layout?
04:26<ml|> /?
04:26<Tenguch>should help you a bit.....
04:26<adama26>well that didn't work
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04:28<ml|>!didn't work
04:28<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
04:28<adama26>all I really need is a switch/config for aptitude so it won't remove unmarkautos
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04:28<Coconut>ok i found the problem.. i've chosen german layout while installation, but now it is using UK-layout, so the ? is on an other button :-D
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04:30<Coconut>thanks anyway :) bye
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05:02<Esto>why dpkg --get-selections shows some packages as "deinstall" even after apt-get autoremove ?
05:02<Esto>and why vrms showes gcc*-doc* as non-free/contrib packages ?
05:03<jm_>because they are not free
05:04<Esto>but this is damn gnu!
05:04<Esto>thats all about freedom
05:05<jm_>yes but they aren't dfsg free
05:05<Gromitt>Esto: if you remove a package with apt-get remove/autoremove, configfile of these packages will be still saved in /etc or s.t. like that.
05:05<Gromitt>Esto: in this case you see deinstall in dpkg --get-selections
05:05<Esto>as well as debian is not by the rms's opinion
05:06<Gromitt>Esto: if you use --purge as option with apt-get, they should keep in deinstall case.
05:06<Esto>kinda funny. rms calling debian non-free; debian rms calling rms's gcc non-free
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05:06<Esto>Gromitt, thanks!
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05:07<Gromitt>Esto: be carefull, all files will be removed with purge. :)
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05:07<ml|>use aptitude purge ~c for current left overs
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05:08<Esto>hm.. can i use apt-get's purge for non-installed packages?
05:09<ml|>the above does just that dunno about apt-get
05:10<Esto>yeah, seems like that the time when apt-get is not enough
05:11<ml|>aptitude is recommended over apt-get, but use what you like
05:11<Gromitt>Esto: installed packages can be fully removed by foreach an dpkg -P ;-)
05:12<petern>dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge
05:12<dpkg>ii | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge 3.3-12.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
05:13<dpkg>it has been said that purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files.
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05:35<Lemonzest>any word on a pidgin backport for lenny, still cant connect to yahoo, and its fixed now in sid/squeeze
05:36<Lemonzest>found the bug number
05:36<gsimmons>Lemonzest: You might be able to workaround it.
05:36<gsimmons>dpkg: pidgin yahoo
05:36<dpkg>Yahoo! Inc. is in the process of dropping support for older Yahoo! Messenger clients, affecting users of <Pidgin> versions <= 2.5.6. See Debian bug #533729 (fixed in 2.5.7-1). Additional details at . Workaround: use pager servers '' or '' (Accounts -> Manage Accounts -> select "Yahoo", click Modify -> Advanced -> Pager Server).
05:38<Lemonzest>Could not establish a connection with the server:
05:38<Lemonzest>Connection refused
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05:42<Lemonzest>tried both addresses, not connecting
05:43<adb>maybe restart all pidgin/s ?
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05:45<Lemonzest>nope, tried restarting pidgin
05:45<adb>restart pc too
05:46<Lemonzest>how would restarting the pc help, its not windows :P
05:47<klh>Lemonzest, like windows you can do ctrl + alt + suppr
05:47<klh>oy adb
05:47<adb>heh + dell
05:48<adb>plop klh !
05:48<Lemonzest>but how will that fix pidgin, yahoo changed the protocol! so we need a backport of atleast 2.5.7 for lenny
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06:01<adb>m0rph3us: what really are you trying to do ?
06:02<ml|>adb: heh, talking to yoursef?
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06:02<adb>nope , he ask in fr.
06:02<adb>asked *
06:03<ml|>oh ;)
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06:28<Flexx>Iemand Nederlands?
06:28<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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06:30<Flexx>Hey , Can some1 help me ?
06:31<jm_>i forgot my mind reading module at home
06:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
06:32<Flexx>i have a problem with install a compat ?
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06:33<dracozna>installing a program?
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06:35<Flexx>yes, when i want start a game server , it said a error with Libstdc++.os.5
06:35<jm_>which version of debian?
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06:36<jm_>!debian version
06:36<dpkg>To determine which Debian suite you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "squeeze/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>.
06:37<Flexx>no such file he said
06:37<adb>Flexx: locate libstdc+
06:37<jm_>are you even using debian?
06:37<Flexx>its Linux i686
06:37<jm_>but is it debian?
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06:38<Flexx>idontknow , i buyed a reseller by my hoster
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06:39<jm_>run lsb_release
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06:40<jm_>it's a command, run it and tell us what it says
06:40<gsimmons>Lemonzest: Try for the pager server.
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06:41<jm_>actually it should be "lsb_release -a"
06:41<Flexx>LSB Version : : core-3.1-noarch:graphics-3.1-ia32:graphics-3.1-noarch
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06:42<jm_>please run "lsb_release -a" wuthout "" - that command unfortunatelly doesn't produce useful output
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06:43<Flexx>LSB Version : : core-3.1-noarch:graphics-3.1-ia32:graphics-3.1-noarch
06:43<Flexx>Distributor ID : CentOS
06:44<jm_>you are asking in wrong channel
06:44<Flexx>Description : CentOS release 5.3
06:44<Flexx>Wherei need to ask then ?
06:44<gsimmons>Flexx: #centos on
06:44<Flexx>Oke , Sorry
06:44<Flexx>Thx ;)
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06:56<OpenSourceBrad>Hello, I am running Debian on an AMD64 proc, has anyone got there Nvidia Driver to work, and does anyone know how to test it?
06:56<OpenSourceBrad>Debian (lenny)
06:56<mosno>OpenSourceBrad: there's an nvidia guide on the debian wiki
06:57<OpenSourceBrad>Glad you asked that, i atempted to do this, and followed everything very closely, and was left with out X11 entirely
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06:59<OpenSourceBrad>Has anyone else found it problematic following the mentioned Debian wiki for installing nvidia graphic drivers?
06:59<klh>OpenSourceBrad, no problems, it works fine
06:59<ml|>OpenSourceBrad: no, please re-read it and try again
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07:01<OpenSourceBrad>ml| klh: I supose i will nic-pick the troubleshooting guide, would it be alright if one of you could stand-by if i have a question?
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07:06<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:06<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:17<ola>I'm trying to connect a freshly installed debian testing machine to my wireless network and I can't seem to get an IP adress... I've tried connecting using Network Manager and manually (iwconfig) and the connection seems to work fine but dhclient doesn't get any response from the ap... My other (as far as I can tell) almost identically configured computer has no problem connecting to this network and the new one can connect to other networks usi
07:19<OpenSourceBrad>What kind of Network Card is the Testing mechine using
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07:19<mgoetze>can you see the network with "iwlist $interface scan"?
07:20<ola>OpenSourceBrad: Atheros, using the ath5k driver.
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07:20<ola>mgoetze: quite so, and connect to it to, but I can't seem to get an IP.
07:22<mgoetze>ola: so iwconfig will tell you that you are indeed connected to that SSID, just "dhclient ath0" doesn't work?
07:23<ola>OpenSourceBrad: (The other one is using the iwlagn driver, but since I am able to connect I can't really relate this to the driver)
07:23<ola>mgoetze: exactly. (tough the interface is wlan0)
07:25<mgoetze>and what are you using as a dhcp server?
07:25<mgoetze>does manually configuring an ip address and pinging something work?
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07:28<ola>mgoetze: A dlink router/switch/wireless ap. And static ip adresses seems to be broken on the dlink... (what you recommended(sp?) works on neither of my computers, even after disabling dhcp on the ap)
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07:30<OpenSourceBrad>Hmm, befor you try tinkering have you tryed making sure the Dlink's frim is full U.T.D?
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07:32<ola>OpenSourceBrad: I think I've reset it like 10 times without checking for a newer firmware... I better do that.
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07:33<OpenSourceBrad>I found that my belkin pci modem was very picky with my router, but after updating it's frim It responded better; However i am using dd-wrt now and I've never had a hitch
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07:34<cozziak>how do i boot a live cd from within debian?
07:34<ml|>and check that you configuered it correctly
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07:34<OpenSourceBrad>ola: I am not recommending you change your frim to dd-wrt, unless you are clear about the damage you may/or may not do.
07:35<ml|>cozziak: in a virtual machine?
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07:36<Glanzmann>?? nx
07:36<ola>OpenSourceBrad: I don't think this d-link thing could handle it... (but I've had great times with open-wrt on a linksys 54GL)
07:37<cozziak>i have an old laptop with 1 usb port and dsl on it. I want to boot debian from a usb-cd.
07:37<OpenSourceBrad>ola: so your Frim is confermed U.T.D.?
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07:39<OpenSourceBrad>cozziak: let me get this straight, you have a laptop with an usb port and you want to boot from usb?
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07:40<ola>OpenSourceBrad: I'm upgrading it right now.
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07:40<OpenSourceBrad>ola: lets hope this was the problem eh? =)
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07:44<cozziak>OpenSourceBrad: long story.. i can only boot the laptop from usb-floppy. I then used a bootdisk to load a usb-stick with dsl. now I want to install debian from dsl by making linux boot from the usb cd.
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07:46<ml|>so you want to install dsl or debian?
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07:47<cozziak>ml|: i want to install debian
07:48<ml|>then why use dsl at all?
07:48<OpenSourceBrad>cozziak: how you thought about simply doing a netboot image? Thats how i install linux with no cd drive
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07:52<OpenSourceBrad>ola: how is your frim and or driver doing?
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07:54<ola>OpenSourceBrad: Well, I've had the new firmware for about 30 seconds now and the old box is still working, while the new one is still not getting any IP...
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07:55<ml|>ola: check that you have setup right
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07:55<LeoLolo>some sites that I go straight for squid, or I q if they do not apply the rules of blockade, but I do it for squid, as I do? trying to use the always_direct not work!
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07:56<ml|>ola: so double check new box settings with old and your routers settings
07:56<cozziak>hmm.. what im trying to ask is "Is there a command for linux that will basically 'run a live-cd' as if it were done natively by the bios?"
07:56<ola>ml|: checking.. It'seems right though...
07:57<jm_>cozziak: you can use virtual machines for this
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07:57<beholder83>can someone please tell me how to get DVD playback working on Lenny?
07:57<cozziak>jm_: I dont want a vm, i want to install the os from the live-cd
07:58<jm_>beholder83: no doubt
07:58<jm_>cozziak: so boot it
07:58<cozziak>jm_: rgh, i cant
07:58<OpenSourceBrad>ola: Please look at the link i provided =)
07:58<jm_>cozziak: why not?
07:58<ml|>dpkg: tell beholder83 about dvd playback
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07:59<cozziak>jm_: The laptop has 1 bootable option 'usb-floppy'.
07:59<jm_>cozziak: but it has an IDE CD driv?
07:59<ola>OpenSourceBrad: I'm doing so. but I can't seem to find anything relevant to my situation.
07:59<ml|>cozziak: we are having understanding
08:01<ml|>beholder83: do you have debian-multimedia in your sources.list?
08:01<OpenSourceBrad>if the 1 bootable option is usb-floopy, i would assume you must have a floopy image on your usb not a cd image
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08:02<OpenSourceBrad>everyone, floopy is now interchangeable with floppy
08:02<OpenSourceBrad>dpkg agree
08:02<dpkg>OpenSourceBrad: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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08:04<cozziak>I have a laptop which can only boot from hdd or usb-floppy. I need it to boot from a usb-cd. So I managed to get dsl on it via bootfloppy and usb stick. Now I want to isntall debian from live-cd
08:04<OpenSourceBrad>ola: i am still combing the internet for you
08:04<jm_>does the laptop have an IDE cd drive?
08:04<cozziak>jm_: nope
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08:05<jm_>cozziak: how will you install from CD then?
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08:05<ola>OpenSourceBrad: Heh... (thanks!)
08:05<cozziak>jm_: usb-cd rom drive
08:06<ml|>but to where
08:06<cozziak>to the usb port
08:06<jm_>cozziak: ok, can it boot from USB dongle or somesuch?
08:07<cozziak>jm_: only usb-floppy
08:07<OpenSourceBrad>ola: however i am drawing blanks, can you check and make sure your motherboard chipset and drivers are working
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08:08<jm_>cozziak: in that case you'll need to boot from hard disk - the steps are explained in the installation manual
08:08<ml|>dpkg: tell cozziak about install guide
08:09<LeoLolo>some sites that I go straight for squid, or I q if they do not apply the rules of blockade, but I do it for squid, as I do? trying to use the always_direct not work!
08:09<cozziak>jm_: I saw it, but I was looking for a way to boot from a live cd from linux.
08:10<cozziak>like using the kernel as a boot loader
08:10<OpenSourceBrad>cozziak, what is your laptop model?
08:10<cozziak>OpenSourceBrad: Sony Vaio PCG-C1XD
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08:12<OpenSourceBrad>cozziak your picturebook has netboot, i would suggest using this method providing you have a second computer for the most struggle free installation of Debian.
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08:15<jm_>cozziak: you can't, it's your BIOS that has to do it, not Linux
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08:16<cozziak>OpenSourceBrad: I was looking for the most easy way to do it lol, didn't know I had netboot support
08:17<cozziak>jm_: Thanks. I'll try the netboot now...
08:17<jm_>the easiest would be to buy a new laptop that can boot from CD :)
08:17<OpenSourceBrad>jm_ or purcahse the firewire cd driver that can be used with that pritty vaio
08:18<OpenSourceBrad>also let the record show I OpenSourceBrad suggested netboot aprox 30 mins ago =)
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08:28<ola>OpenSourceBrad: It seems to me that everything is working and I can connect to other networks without issues (both encrypted and unencrypted).
08:28<OpenSourceBrad>ola: yet still no ip?
08:29<ola>OpenSourceBrad: not from the d-link, no....
08:29<ola>I'll give this old usb-wireless thinghy I've found a try, hang on.
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08:34<OpenSourceBrad>ola if you excuse me i have a date with an nvidia install brb
08:34<ola>OpenSourceBrad: By damn! this "level one usb wireless network card" (using the rt71 driver) seems to work. I guess It has to be the driver then...
08:34<ola>OpenSourceBrad: You are excused, be gentle.
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08:36<OpenSourceBrad>ola: cheers, also i can't remeber now, but i a million years ago i used something called um "wnis" or "wnic" i think, can anyone else remeber such a name
08:40<ola>OpenSourceBrad: Wireless Network Interface Card? (wikipedia:
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08:44<OpenSourceBrad>ola: look at ndiswrapper, i remember when i was having trouble with a pcima card ndiawrapper did the trick. take care
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09:01<drakeman>craigevil, hey man, thnaks for the tip yesterday, i tried jango with opera 10 and works fine :D
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09:05<Calgar>can anyone help me whit lack of support of 3Com nic?
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09:06<tom9876543>hello where are the md5sums for the disc image?
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09:07<tom9876543>i found them
09:08<jm_>Calgar: which 3com nic?
09:09<Calgar>i have 3Com Erthnetlink III (ISA) and 3Com Fast ethernet - XL (3C905B-TX)
09:09<Calgar>none of the work...
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09:11<tom9876543>ISA???????? I wouldn't expect such an old device to work
09:12<jm_>for ISA you typically have supply irq/io manually or if it supports PNP make sure that is enabled
09:12<Calgar>it's a stable but old server :P
09:12<Calgar>well the 3Com Fast ethernet - XL (3C905B-TX) PCI should work
09:12<Calgar>but does not
09:12<tom9876543>thats annoying
09:12<tom9876543>can you remove the isa network card
09:13<Calgar>yes very bad of debian not to add
09:13<tom9876543>is there a debian hcl
09:13<Calgar>debian 4.0
09:13<tom9876543>hardware compatibility list
09:13<Calgar>oh dunno
09:14<Calgar>it atleast found my old SCSI-drive......2940 Ultra & Ultra wide :)
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09:16<jm_>define doesn't work
09:16<tom9876543>try that for the pci network card
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09:17<tom9876543>adaptec 2940 is a classic piece of hardware it will always be supported
09:17<Calgar>it says it does not find any nic installed...and when i look at the list whitch is very small...i dont find it ether
09:17<Calgar>i also saw it has support of 3com etherlink II ISA...why should not Ehterlink III ISA be suported?
09:18<tom9876543>who knows
09:18<jm_>does lspci -nn list it?
09:18<tom9876543>might have to upgrade pci nic
09:18<Calgar>3Com Fast ethernet - XL (3C905B-TX) PCI
09:18<Calgar>this one is pci...based
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09:19<jm_>it supports both II and III
09:20<tom9876543>i gotta go good luck calgar
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09:36<g3tc0d3s>hey guys how you feeling like a lady?
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09:37<Calgar>u are scary...
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09:37<g3tc0d3s>i gat some questions and i need some answers. this chat is gr8, and i'm half drunk you guys better give me a good response or i'm no gonna buy you a gr8 bear.
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09:49<Esto>why apt-cache search ipref may find nothing when 'deb squeeze main non-free contrib' is properly in sources.list and apt-get update was done as well?
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09:49<Esto>when it should be there:
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09:51<gsimmons>Esto: You want to use "apt-cache search iperf", not "apt-cache search ipref".
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09:52<Esto>ah, sorry, all my carelessness
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09:57<g3tc0d3s>people here are suck, given stupid info to people, that is why u dont wanna listen to me, i will flood this channel in next 30 seconds if i dont get a good response, you motherfuckers
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10:01<tuxmea>hi, is there a nice and easy way to autocreate a control file during debuild process?
10:01<tuxmea>the control file needs to add entries according to certain subdirs that may exist.
10:01<tzafrir_laptop>tuxmea, not really, but look into dh_make
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10:02<tzafrir_laptop>(not during the build process. before it)
10:03<tuxmea>tzafrir_laptop: dh_make is of no use here. upstream wants to become debian native. its my task to achieve that goal.
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10:03<tuxmea>is it possible to add grep/sed magic to the configure section in the rules file?
10:04<tzafrir_laptop>tuxmea, and why not just put a simple control file?
10:04<tzafrir_laptop>also, maybe try #debian-mentors
10:05<tuxmea>tzafrir_laptop: upstream is fast developing new modules from which we want to create packages dynamically.
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10:05<tuxmea>debian-mentors. of course. good idea..
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10:06<beholder83>how do I install a directory of a few .deb files?
10:06<beholder83>trying to install OpenOffice deb packages which all depend on each other
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10:09<SQlvpapir_>beholder83: dpkg
10:09<beholder83>what command would i run?
10:10<SQlvpapir_>man dpkg
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10:10<beholder83>so that it points to the one directory for dependencies
10:10<SQlvpapir_>usually what you want is dpkg -i *.deb
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10:10<tzafrir_laptop>beholder83, dpkg --install *.deb
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10:10<SQlvpapir_>dpkg does not do dependencies.. it does packages. you can fix dependencies later (it will notify you)
10:10<dpkg>You are moron #1, SQlvpapir_
10:11<SQlvpapir_>fixdabotplz x)
10:11<tzafrir_laptop>beholder83, if you get an error of dependencies, run 'apt-get install -f' or 'aptitude install' after that, which is likely to fix the issue
10:12<tzafrir_laptop>though with aptitude you may need to ignore the first suggestion of removing all the new packages
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10:13<tzafrir_laptop>Actually dpkg does do dependencies
10:13<tzafrir_laptop>it will try to install them by order of dependencies
10:13<tzafrir_laptop>So the bot was actually smart?
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10:28<Lemonzest>gsimmons: that worked (yahoo logged in :D)
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10:37<riomare1>hi i think my pc shutdowns when gpu reaches 61*C temp
10:38<riomare1>how can i disable that
10:38<Vroomfondle>it'll be in the BIOS.
10:38<Vroomfondle>under "PC Health", usually
10:38<riomare1>tried it
10:39<riomare1>i have 70 now
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10:39<riomare1>this happens only if computer goes to sleep
10:39<riomare1>and then if i wake him up
10:39<riomare1>in few minutes it shutdowns
10:41<riomare1>because of the temp or something
10:42<wnd>have you considered trying to fix the cause and not the symptoms?-)
10:42<gsimmons>Lemonzest: Thanks for confirming, I've updated the factoid.
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10:43<riomare1>is there any log or something so i can see why the computer did shutdown?
10:44<riomare1>cause the msg dissapears fast
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10:45<cahoot> like a log in /var/log?
10:45<wnd>try /var/log/kern.log
10:46<wnd>there's no guarantee that the system has time to write that on disk, though
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10:48<riomare1>Critical temperature reached (69 C), shutting down.
10:48<riomare1>found it
10:48<riomare1>but when i got to bios after reset
10:48<riomare1>in pc health it shows 35 on CPU
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10:50<riomare1>is there any app which shows temp of components ?
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10:54<ffws>riomare1: lm-sensors
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10:58<riomare1>ffws: thx
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11:08<dimedo>hi, i'm trying to use the following shebang line: "#!/usr/bin/env ruby -w". it doesn't work because env complains about not finding "ruby -w". if i use the same line "env ruby -w FILENAME" on my shell it works nicely. may this be caused by an internal env command in my zsh shell and because shebang lines are parsed by the kernel? is there any way around that problem?
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11:09<weasel>dimedo: shebangs may only have 1 command and at most 1 argument.
11:09<weasel>env is one command, ruby is the argument, -w is crap. or it makes the argument "ruby -w" in which case that command doesn't exist.
11:10<dimedo>weasel: so what's the meaning of this rule? isn't that just stupid?
11:10<weasel>it's historical.
11:10<weasel>the env hack is just stupid.
11:12<dimedo>weasel: is there a better way to be path independant?
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11:13<weasel>dimedo: don't try to be path independant?
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11:14<dimedo>weasel: that's not possible, some people habe ruby in /usr/bin and some in /usr/local/bin, and that's totally legit as far as i know, i want my scripts to work for both and possibly more cases
11:15<weasel>then you must abandon the -w
11:15<dimedo>weasel: do you know for sure that the kernel parses the shebangs?
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11:16<dimedo>yes is not a valid question. i'm trying to find a way to do it here, the idea to drop the -w is just not helping
11:17<weasel>well, let me know when you have your pony.
11:17<rocky>!seen stoeren
11:17<dpkg>stoeren <> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 15h 52m 47s ago, saying: 'and lenny is a bad idea too'.
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11:19<bigon_>does anyone already played with tape library? is it normal that /dev/ch0 doesn't exist?
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11:40<y__>what is mean of drakeman
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11:48<drakeman_>y__, mandrake linux, backwards drake man :D my first linux distro, i use it like 2 weeks, and back to windows, hehehe, then few years later im using debian.
11:49<lenno>any security experts here :P
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11:49<lenno>it seems my debian box has been hacked and I can't find out how and what he did
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11:49<jakarta>Ie installed Debian lenny amd64 but my sound has problems
11:50<jakarta>When i play songs it sounds very bad
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11:50<tommyq>Hi :) Have a issue with ia32-apt-get. Could anyone help?
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11:50<tommyq>jakarta: What kind of sound system you use?
11:50<Bernd_amd64>lenno, try rkhunter
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11:50<jakarta>they card is detected as
11:50<tommyq>The issue is like this: "E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Pre-Invoke '[ ! -x /usr/lib/ia32-archive/bin/apt-update ] || /usr/lib/ia32-archive/bin/apt-update'"
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11:51<jakarta>HDA Nvidia
11:51<jakarta> Semtel
11:51<jakarta>Normally on some chipsets you need to set some channels higher but this doesnt help at alls
11:51<Bernd_amd64>jakarta, if you dont want to use mumble try oss4 ... works perfekt in here
11:52<jpablo>Hi there I install the jpgraph and the truetypes, but the system dont find the type of the fonts.... Can anybody tell me a some answer?
11:52<jakarta>How can i switch to oss?
11:52<jakarta>Do i just install it?
11:52<Bernd_amd64>download it and install ... it will remove alsa or do it manual ...
11:52<Bernd_amd64>wich distro ... ?
11:53<jakarta>lenny 64
11:53<Bernd_amd64>me 2 works great ... sound in game music flash ... all fine
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11:53<Bernd_amd64>check this out
11:54<drakeman>y__, thats the explanation xD
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11:54<y__>i get it
11:54<jakarta>well hope that works
11:54<jakarta>But ie never had any problems with alsa
11:55<Bernd_amd64>lenno, still there ?
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11:56<Bernd_amd64>alsa sry ... suxx ... if you use teamspeak ... no way ... wine without pulse noway ... so oss4 is just fine ... much better than the old one and supports even cards that alsa dosn´t
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11:57<jakarta>do i need kernel src?
11:57<jakarta>for install
11:57<Jason>hello, I have hard time activating my printer in VituralBox
11:57<Bernd_amd64>headers are needed i mean
11:57<jakarta>ah thanx
11:57<Bernd_amd64>hi @ jason ^
11:57<Jason>hey :)
11:58<Bernd_amd64>wazzup ? printer is working ?
11:58<Jason>I have gotten my vituralbox working, but I have hardtime activating my printer
11:58<drakeman>hey Jason xD
11:58<Jason>yes it works, but I am trying to install windows drivers in my XP
11:58<Bernd_amd64>yeah usb thing ... right? ?
11:58<Jason>I already turned on usb support
11:58<y__>Bend_amd64 是中国人?
11:58<Jason>it won't get on, why?
11:59<Bernd_amd64>premission ...
11:59<Jason>how do I get it work?
11:59<Jason>let me try something ok?
11:59<Jason>how do I talk to the bot?
12:00<Bernd_amd64>i mean you have to edit the fstab
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12:01<Jason>how do I talk to the bot to get information?
12:01<jakarta>what the tool for sound adjustment?
12:01<jakarta>with oss
12:02<Bernd_amd64>looks crazzy first time to me ^
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12:02<Bernd_amd64>don´t know how to talk with nonhumans ( bot) ;)
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12:02<Jason>Anyone can help me how to talk to the bot?
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12:03<Bernd_amd64>try /msg dpkg ... something
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12:04<Jason>this bot is funny bot
12:04<Jason>This is #Debian, drivers fstab, not #bungholes!
12:05<Jason>maybe I'll try msg bots not people
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12:06<lenno>couldn't find anything with rkhunter @Bernd_amd64
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12:06<lenno>all I found is these commands which aren't executed by me:
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12:06<lenno># pidof named
12:06<lenno># pidof sshd
12:06<lenno># /etc/init.d/bind9 start
12:06<Bernd_amd64>why do you mean you got hacked ?
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12:07<lenno>because a lot of files got deleted
12:07<lenno>and I'm sure I didn't execute those commands
12:07<Jason>oh that fstab is thing used for 'mount', is it is right?
12:07<Bernd_amd64>so ever the secure way is to kill a compromised system ... means restore backup... reinstall whole system ... something like that ...
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12:08<jakarta>he bernd
12:08<drakeman>Jason, you can connect usb drives inyour virtual machine?
12:08<jakarta>great oss is even worser
12:08<Bernd_amd64>because there could also be an 0day rkit wich you will "never" find
12:08<Jason>well like I say I could activate it, even usb support is turned on, silly.
12:08<jakarta>and telse me on boot up unknown codec hd*******
12:08<cozziak>dpkg: Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. Why am I laughing soo hard
12:08*dpkg makes love to is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. Why am I laughing soo hard, caressing is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. Why am I laughing soo hard's hair, whispering sweet nothings in is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you ...
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12:09<lenno>but at least I need to know what he did first
12:09<Bernd_amd64>jakarta, wich card do you use?
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12:09<lenno>is there anyway else that bash history to see what he did :P
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12:09<jakarta>it s onboard
12:09<Bernd_amd64>lenno, did you watch the logs ?
12:09<jakarta>hd semtel
12:09<jakarta>i tried an osstest
12:09<lenno>yeah I've been reading logs all day
12:09<jakarta>maybe this helps
12:10<jakarta>but does not look good at all
12:10<amphi_>jakarta: why are you using oss?
12:10<Jason>oh well
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12:10<Bernd_amd64>amphi, i told him to do :P
12:10<jakarta>because bernd_amd64 told me to use
12:10<jakarta>normally i only use alsa
12:11<amphi>what's the problem with alsa?
12:11<Bernd_amd64>lenno, is it a server or desktop ?
12:11<Jason>hmmm... I'm trying to talk to bots, they're silly bots
12:11<lenno>a server
12:11<Jason>mine is a desktop :) in case ya ask :)
12:11<lenno>debian lenny
12:11<jakarta>well the sound
12:11<amphi>jakarta: could you be more vague?
12:12<jakarta>sounds crashy and songs are not played properly like if the system hangs for some seconds
12:12<jakarta>and suddenly loads again
12:12<lenno>Bernd_amd64 also strange is this entry in /etc/syslog.conf
12:12<Bernd_amd64>lenno, backup you db / data / whatever... cp -> rinstall ... and do as much as possible to avoid to get hacked again ...
12:12<lenno>auth,authpriv.* -/var/logauth.log
12:12<lenno>that should be /var/log/auth.log
12:12<lenno>ok I'll do that
12:12<jakarta>now if i play haddaway what is love
12:12<Jason>how do I look on fstab?
12:12<amphi>jakarta: are you using pulseaudio or some other sound daemon thing?
12:13<jakarta>i hear dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd and sometimes some words
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12:13<Bernd_amd64>jakarta, gnome ?
12:13<jakarta>i installed oss
12:13<jakarta>and thats it
12:13<jakarta>yes gnome
12:13<Jason>ddddddddddddddddddddddd sounds lol it is funny
12:13<Bernd_amd64>set audio part to oss
12:13<jakarta>jason very funny
12:13<Jason>sorry if it is a real osund problem
12:13<Bernd_amd64>maybe reboot is needed ?
12:13<jakarta>i did this already
12:13<jakarta>i rebooted allready
12:13<amphi>jakarta: anything relevant in your logs?
12:13<jakarta>and on bootup i get thgis
12:13<Jason>hmmm... ok how do I examine on fstab?
12:14<amphi>Jason: cat /etc/fstab
12:14<Jason>ok thanks
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12:14<firefox_>Jason, I prefer nano /etc/fstab sometimes to
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12:15<Bernd_amd64>jakarta, what does osstest via terminal say?
12:15<Jason>I see a serious error in fstab.
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12:15<Jason>/dev/sda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
12:15<jakarta>devel:/home/robin# osstest
12:15<jakarta>Sound subsystem and version: OSS 4.1 (b 1052/200903240621) (0x00040100)
12:15<jakarta>Platform: Linux/x86_64 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jun 21 04:47:08 UTC 2009
12:15<jakarta>*** Scanning sound adapter #-1 ***
12:15<jakarta>/dev/oss/oss_hdaudio0/pcm0 (audio engine 0): HD Audio play pcm1
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12:16<cahoot>installed oss4 or what?
12:16<Bernd_amd64>Jason, add something like this and reboot or mount -a "none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=yourgroupid,devmode=664 0 0 "
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12:16<amphi>Jason: what's the prolem?
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12:16<Jason>/dev/sda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
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12:16<Bernd_amd64>jakarta, did you hear sound ?'
12:16<Jason>errors=remount-ro 0
12:16<jakarta>and it sounds like dddddddddddddddddddddd
12:16<amphi>Jason: why do you think that's a problem?
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12:17<cahoot>jakarta: what made you install oss4?
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12:17<Bernd_amd64>jakarta, did oss build modules during install ?
12:17<Jason>well it is already mounted, but why it say errors=remount-ro 0?
12:17<jakarta>yes everything fine
12:17<Bernd_amd64>yes he did
12:17<jakarta>no errors during console install
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12:17<Bernd_amd64>don´t know you soundcard so ... hd what ?
12:18<amphi>Jason: do 'mount | grep /dev/sda1' to see what options it's actually mounted with
12:18<Bernd_amd64>i use alc888 wich is detected as hd intel ... and works fine also with 7.1
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12:19<jakarta>MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio snd-hda-intel
12:19<jakarta>but how to change?
12:19<Bernd_amd64>snd-hda-intel --- should work
12:20<cahoot>jakarta: if you installed oss4 I'd guess it nuked your alsa
12:20<jakarta>yes but didnt
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12:20<jakarta>yes of corse but i can reinstall alsa
12:20<jakarta>in a few seconds time
12:20<Bernd_amd64>remove alsa stuff set audio to use oss always ...
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12:20<jakarta>and nuke out oss
12:20<jakarta>i allready did this
12:21<Bernd_amd64>what is shown under system audio ?
12:21<Bernd_amd64>at the bottom of audio ? there must bee something like " jack green - jack black .. "
12:22<amphi>Jason: you'd prefer 'errors=panic' ? ;)
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12:22<amphi>Jason: see man mount for details
12:23<jakarta>audio settings and there is eyerywhere set to oss -opensound system
12:23<inglor>How can I install ia32-lib depentable packages on amd64 sid ?
12:23<Bernd_amd64>should look like this
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12:24<jakarta>well the device is empty
12:24<jakarta>nothing there
12:24<jakarta>but upstairs eyerything is same
12:24<Bernd_amd64>nothing you can choose ?
12:24<jakarta>by the way nice gui
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12:25<Bernd_amd64>so i think your mixer is wrong detected
12:26<jakarta>how change this
12:26<jakarta>wie siehts aus läuft ut auch mit oss?
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12:27<Bernd_amd64>talk in english ...
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12:27<Jason>amphi: /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
12:27<Jason>same error
12:28<Bernd_amd64>haven´t tried yet ... but wine works... CSS works ... nexuiz works... urban terror works ... so everthing workd fine out off mumble ... sound iss jittering
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12:29<Bernd_amd64>because oss4 is opensource but not free and the autor of mumble wont pay ... but teamspeak works :P
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12:30<amphi>Jason: again, why do you think that's an error?
12:30<Jason>I assumed it was remounted?
12:31<amphi>if errors are found, it's mounted ro
12:31<Bernd_amd64>jakarta, i also notice that oss-linux is installed
12:31<Jason>but not sure why
12:31<amphi>Jason: but as I mentioned, you can have the kernel panic, if you prefer ;)
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12:32<amphi>Jason: to prevent the errors being compounded by further writes to a corrupt file system
12:32<Jason>like this: error=panic , correct?
12:32<amphi>Jason: as I said, man mount has the details; there's no reason to change it
12:32<amphi>I would leave it alone
12:32<jakarta>im off and will bug me free
12:32<Jason>ok :)
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12:33<Jason>thanks anyways
12:33<drakeman>Jason, the printer is working now?
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12:34<drakeman>i solve that adding some lines to mountkerns.fs, but dont remember the line but i can search the link to see if it works for you.
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12:35<drakeman>but it was my case, i dont know if it your case.
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12:35<Jason>I'll check on the link first ok?
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12:36<amphi>Jason: FWIW, cups has generally worked pretty well for me in the past
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12:37<Bernd_amd64> Jason, add something like this and reboot or mount -a "none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=yourgroupid,devmode=664 0 0 "
12:37<Bernd_amd64>to the fstab
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12:37<Jason>CUPS won't work on me. unless I migrate back to ubuntu, sir.
12:37<drakeman>what os your have in the virutal machine
12:37<amphi>Jason: why not?
12:37<Jason>I had to be in ubunt and set it as pcl3 laserjet
12:37<Jason>XP Pro
12:38<Jason>I have XP drivers for my printer, but my VM software won't let me activate usb devices but usb support is on
12:38<drakeman>open this file (vi /etc/init.d/ as ROOT :D
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12:38<Jason>I'm in
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12:39<Jason>found the usb part, but I'm just examining
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12:39<QPrime>Hey guys/gals... thanks for the Tor channel ban. I know the floods were pretty bad, but good-grief, my feelings are now hurt! :P any info on Tor ban expiry?
12:39<drakeman>ok, look for this line
12:40<drakeman>Jason, tell me when you find the that lines.
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12:40<Jason>found it
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12:40<drakeman>QPrime, you can ask in #oftc, tjfontaine put the ban
12:41<QPrime>drakeman: thanks, will do.
12:41<drakeman>Jason, ok, the domount line should look like this ---->domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs -onodev,noexec,nosuid,devgid=1100,devmode=0664
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12:42<drakeman>but in devgid=1100 instead of 1100 you have to put the one of your user..
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12:42<drakeman>QPrime, ok.
12:42<Jason>I am on the line you told me
12:42<qazwsx123>sorry, official canal polish debian ? (no spik english)
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12:42<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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12:43<Bernd_amd64>Jason, acts like ubuntu / windows user :-P
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12:43<Jason>but I am using debian for now
12:43<drakeman>Jason, ok, you have to add this --->devgid=(youruseridnumber),devmode=0664
12:43<Bernd_amd64>just modify the line like drakeman said
12:44<Bernd_amd64>drakeman, did this work for you ? read / write ?
12:44<Jason>well how? inserting a new line?
12:44<drakeman>Jason, sorry if you dont understand me but i dont spean english so well
12:44<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, ues
12:44<Jason>it's alright I understand ya drake
12:44<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, that method works for me,
12:45<Bernd_amd64>drakeman, wich distro do you use ?
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12:45<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, debian squeeze (testing)
12:45<Jason>in the next line of domount?
12:45<Jason>lol debian squeeze lol
12:45<Bernd_amd64>kk so should work @ lenny also ... i only know the trick with the fstab and usb group ...
12:45<drakeman>Jason, , the final like sshould look like this domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs -onodev,noexec,nosuid,devgid=1100,devmode=0664
12:46<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, the fstab way didnt work for me
12:46<Jason>aha thought so
12:46<drakeman>Jason, your actual line is like this --> domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs -onodev,noexec,nosuid (so u only have to add the devgid=1100,devmode=0664 part
12:47<drakeman>just modify the 1100 for your userid number
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12:47<Jason>ok how do I look on my userid number?
12:47<drakeman>Jason, you know how to see your user id number right?
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12:48<Jason>oh great
12:48<Jason>I messed it up
12:48<drakeman>Jason, why>?
12:49<Jason>ok what is the command for usb thing?
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12:49<erKURITA>what usb thing
12:49<drakeman>Jason, dont understand?
12:49<Jason>it won't insert and I tried to put it in correct place but it messes up
12:49<Bernd_amd64>drakeman, does this method require rebooting ?
12:49<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, nope.
12:49<Jason>domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs -onodev,noexec,nosuid
12:49<drakeman>not for me.
12:50<Jason>what is the command for that line again?
12:50<Bernd_amd64>kk i will give it a try ...
12:50<drakeman>Jason, read above
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12:50<Jason>which one?
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12:50<drakeman>Jason, domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs -onodev,noexec,nosuid,devgid=1100,devmode=0664
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12:50<drakeman>you have to add the devgid part and dev mode
12:51<Jason>I'm still confused
12:51<Jason>I understand what you're doing, but when I do it on my computer, it's confusing.
12:51<drakeman>Jason, why>
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12:52<Jason>Drake, I am trying to get my usb support in my vituralbox to activate
12:52<Jason>or I can't use my printer
12:52<drakeman>Jason, yes, but you have to modify the line
12:52<drakeman>adding the part i said to you
12:52<Jason>which command is 1st?
12:53<drakeman>Jason, ok ,you already locate the line do mount?
12:53<Bernd_amd64>nedd 1min to change ... now testing ^^
12:53<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, tell me if it works for you
12:54<Bernd_amd64>no ... usb devices still grayed out -.-
12:54<drakeman>Jason, :(
12:54<Jason>same issues!
12:54<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, :(
12:54<drakeman>Jason, but you put your devgid with your user number?
12:54<Jason>that is what I'm trying to explain Bernd_amd64
12:54<Jason>usb device is grayed out
12:55<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, yo ucan try restarting
12:55<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, i thing you need to restart
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12:55<drakeman>Jason you put your id number
12:55<Bernd_amd64>no option reload stop start possible ^
12:56<Jason>I don't know what is my userid
12:56<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, if there is an optino i dont know the option, but now i remmember, i restart my computer
12:56<drakeman>Jason, use this
12:56<drakeman>what is your username ?
12:56<drakeman>ok do tthis --> cat /etc/passwd | grep jason
12:57<Bernd_amd64>and your password ?
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12:57<Jason>lol not telling ya
12:57<cahoot>or simply 'id'
12:57<Bernd_amd64>why not trust me ... i´m your friend :-P
12:57<drakeman>Jason, found the umber?
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12:58<drakeman>well you have to use 1000 instead 1100
12:58<Jason>hi are you a secret? can you tell me your secret? lol it is aj oke :)
12:58<secret>can somebody help with bin/perl?
12:58<drakeman>in devgid
12:58<secret>my secret, is my secret..
12:58<drakeman>then save the file, restart your compujter and the printer is going to work :p
12:58<Bernd_amd64>brb reboot
12:58<Jason>ok let me try
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12:58<drakeman>Jason, ok
12:58<Jason>ok which command, refresh m,y brain
12:58<secret>drakeman, yu mean me?
12:59<Jason>can you do the pastebin thing and explain in steps?
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12:59<Jason>even your english is bad, I still understand ya
12:59<secret>does anybody know how to use it? #!/usr/bin/perl
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12:59<secret>i need to save it and run it
13:00<secret>but i dont know where to save it and how to run it..
13:00<Jason>headaches blah
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13:00<erKURITA>!tell secret about shebang
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13:01<Jason>shebang lol
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13:01<Jason>very funny
13:01<erKURITA>what's so funny about it?
13:01<secret>ok, shebang wasnt that good help
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13:02<Jason>well let me try shebang
13:02<Jason>!tell Jason about shebang
13:02<erKURITA>secret what is your actual problem
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13:02<secret>erKURITA, that i have a javascript which i want to save and run it to check my homepage
13:02<Jason>I understand shebang meant now
13:03<secret>erKURITA, but i dont know where to save it..
13:03<secret>erKURITA, and how to run it
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13:03<secret>erKURITA, you see my problem?
13:03<Jason>I'll be back.
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13:03<erKURITA>yeah, I know what you mean
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13:04<secret>erKURITA, this issue drives me..... nuts
13:04<erKURITA>secret can you see if GreaseMonkey can run it?
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13:05<secret>erKURITA, aha, and what is this?
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13:05<erKURITA>greasemonkey is an addon that runs javascript scripts on certain webpages, afaik
13:05<Bernd_amd64>drakeman, it works for me after reboot
13:06<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, :P
13:06<drakeman>glad to read :D
13:06<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, jason wont come back, hehe maybe his OS dont start anymore :D
13:06<Bernd_amd64>ty ... one way more to get it work... and the fstab give an red error at boot because already mount ... so this is maybe a cleaner way
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13:07<Bernd_amd64>jason is new to linux ... i mean ...
13:07<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, me too.
13:07<Bernd_amd64>he asks to many newbie questions ^^
13:07<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, just like me :D
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13:07<Bernd_amd64>most of them could be solved by google
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13:08<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, exaclty
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13:08<Bernd_amd64>anyway everone helps as good as he can ... so .. np
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13:08<amphi_>secret: check your homepage? what do you mean?
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13:09<Bernd_amd64>you got hacked ^^
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13:09<Bernd_amd64>just kidding
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13:12<drakeman>ehh, where is jason , im worried about him
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13:14<Bernd_amd64>system broken ... edited the wrong lines in the wrong file
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13:15<drakeman>well, launc time, ill be back,
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13:16<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, if Bernd_amd64 is back can you help him please :D but if it works foryou,should work for him too
13:16<Bernd_amd64>if he doesn´t broke the / some file/s ...
13:16<Bernd_amd64>i will ...
13:16<drakeman>be back
13:17<Slurb>bernd whats the problem
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13:21<Bernd_amd64>no problem in here
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13:24<Hydroxide>pretty nifty
13:24<Hydroxide>wrong window
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13:39<ml|>drakeman: got nx working?
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13:47<linduxed>if ive got music in /home/linduxed/music and ive got a user (other than linduxed) and I make a symlink to the music folder called /public/music (for instance), how do i make the contents of the symlink viewable for the other user?
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13:50<kop>!tell linduxed -about permissions
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13:51<dpkg><bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P
13:51<Jason>oh fun I am searching for the driver for my printer right now.
13:52<Bernd_amd64>777 suxx add a group and give them the rights
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13:52<jaggz>why'sthe onscreen kb movemy windows too fardown?
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13:53<Jason>I'm struggling with my Dell P1500 driver, but oh well. I don't know if there is a better way
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13:54<Jason>cups is no help, sir.
13:54<Jason>It means I have to write a printer code
13:54<Jason>I looked on it many times lol
13:54<ml|>no ppd file for it?
13:55<ml|>did you check dell's site you might get lucky and find what you need
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14:07<externaldrive>i'm logged in a chroot .. tring to create a file in : /etc/ .. it don write it :-( :
14:07<externaldrive>touch /etc/resolv.conf -> touch: cannot touch `/etc/resolv.conf': No such file or directory
14:07<externaldrive>how can i do ?
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14:09<rumbarg>externaldrive: what are you trying to do exactly ?
14:09<rumbarg>mine is accessible by root only, and says 'any changes will be overwritten'
14:09<externaldrive>i need to activate internet connection in chroot, beacouse apt-get fail to connect
14:09<stroyan>externaldrive: It sounds from the error message that there is no /etc at all in that chroot. "ls /" would tell you.
14:10<externaldrive>i tried ping to a router and it works
14:10<cahoot>so you actually boot the system?
14:10<externaldrive>but do not go outside ... so i need to add dns
14:10<externaldrive>tring it of course
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14:11<sarc_3>ml|: i compiled the BroadcomXtreme 5716 driver for my dell server and it now works
14:11<externaldrive>cahoot, no etc is there
14:11<sarc_3>on lenny
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14:12<ml|>!win sarc_3
14:12<dpkg>Congratulations, sarc_3! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
14:12<externaldrive>i have :
14:12<sarc_3>when you build a driver module for a specific kernel can it only be used for that kernel, and not newer versions of the kernel
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14:12<sarc_3>i am confused because you dont actually recompile the kernel when you compile the driver in, correct?
14:14<Kjetil_>It can only be used with a specific kernel compiled with a specific c-compiler version
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14:14<stroyan>sarc_3: Yes. The module needs to match the header files for the target kernel to work with that kernel. Most systems now use the CONFIG_MODVERSIONS kconfig setting to check for an exact version match.
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14:18<stroyan>externaldrive: Your pastebin shows that /etc/resolv.conf is a symbolic link. It probably points to a file name (/etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf) that does not exist. That may be caused by having the resolveconf package installed.
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14:21<sarc_3>so you could port your modules to different machines and not have to rebuild them on each one if you are using the same kernel version on each, correct?
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14:22<sarc_3>i understand now
14:23<sarc_3>a new kernel will have new headers, etc so you will have to rebuild your module for each new release if it hasnt been integrated into the release
14:23<externaldrive>thanks stroyan ! the simlink point to a non existent file
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14:24<externaldrive>now i'm able to write a new one
14:24<stroyan>sarc_3: Right. A package can contain modules for a specific release.
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14:24<sarc_3>ok, i got it... btw ill be expecting my AOL cd's in the mail
14:24<ml|>sarc_3: right
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14:25<stroyan>externaldrive: I am wondering why that symbolic link existed. Perhaps it is from having the resolveconf package in the chroot or in the original system install.
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14:29<Guest1135>I'm writing the PPD file for my Dell p1500 printer
14:29<Guest1135>I don't care if it is partially working
14:29<Guest1135>I'll make it 100% work
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14:30<externaldrive>stroyan, any clue on how to enable internet ? it give me some problems look :
14:31<stroyan>externaldrive: The resolv.conf problem resembles
14:31<sarc_3>ml|: so if i wanted to port my module to another machine, do i just move the bnx2.ko file from the net drivers directory?
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14:32<sarc_3>or is that over simplifying the whole thing?
14:32<cahoot>sarc_3: same compilerversions too?
14:32<sarc_3>exact same
14:33<externaldrive>stroyan, touch: cannot touch `/etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf': No such file or directory
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14:35<stroyan>sarc_3: You may need to update depmod when copying module files between systems.
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14:36<stroyan>externaldrive: That debian bug URL mentions that debootstrap fails because of resolveconf. You may be able to work around that as the report suggests.
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14:38<stroyan>externaldrive: I wonder why you have the resolvconf package installed at all. It seems like it is seldom needed.
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14:39<externaldrive>i can try to remove from my system and the copy all my sytem again .. i'm following this guide :-(
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14:40<Bernd_amd64>drakeman, still there ?
14:41<melkart>when i try to mount a partition on my hard drive in nautilus it tells me that i am not privileged to mount this volume. how can i give ordinary users this privilege to mount partitions on my hard drive in nautlius? (lenny, GNOME 2.22)
14:41<ml|>externaldrive: have looked at the debian reference manual?
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14:43<ml|>sarc_3: this should help ...
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14:48<drakeman>just came back
14:48<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, jason came back?
14:49<Bernd_amd64>i saw him
14:49<Bernd_amd64>talkking about his printer again ^^
14:49<drakeman>ml|, perfectly, now i can run my linux applications as native in my windows xp machine in my workd :D
14:49<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, he still have problems?
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14:50<Bernd_amd64>do not know
14:50<Bernd_amd64>anyway ... what was the original line in mauntkernfs ?
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14:50<Bernd_amd64>" domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs -onodev,noexec,nosuid" << this ?
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14:50<ml|>!congratulate drakeman
14:50<dpkg>Woohoo drakeman, you did it!
14:50<Jason1>oh wow
14:50<Jason1>I found a .pdd file
14:51<Jason1>now I dunno if it will work with my Debian, since I only found the windows pdd.
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14:51<drakeman>ml|, thanks! for remember my problems :D
14:51<Bernd_amd64>that is what you need @ jason
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14:52<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, yes, that should be he original line,
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14:52<drakeman>Jason1, the trick work for Bernd_amd64 ...
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14:52<Bernd_amd64>i wrote some crappy script to do the job ^^ for ppl like jason
14:52<drakeman>Jason1, your host machine is ubuntu or windwos?
14:52<Bernd_amd64>someone interested ?
14:52<drakeman>Jason1, and your guest is?
14:52<Jason1>my vitural machine have XP
14:52<Bernd_amd64>maybe bugfixing ?
14:53<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, really?
14:53<Jason1>and my machine is using debian
14:53<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, pastebin :D
14:53<Lenaud01>does virtualbox have its own channel?
14:53<drakeman>Jason1, well it cant be a cups problem your problem is that the guest machine are not seeing usb.
14:53<ml|>yes #vbox in freenode i believe
14:53<Lenaud01>I am having exact issue with virtual machine
14:54<Lenaud01>that usb is grayed out?
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14:54<Lenaud01>I tryed adding it in settings
14:54<drakeman>Lenaud01, hey, Bernd_amd64 have an script :D to fix that
14:54<Lenaud01>still same
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14:54<Lenaud01>where script :)
14:54<drakeman>Lenaud01, you have to modify mountkerns file.
14:54<Jason1>I'm glad I'm not the only one who have the same problems
14:54<Bernd_amd64>so nice that i have done it
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14:54<Lenaud01>I have do what?
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14:55<ml|>Lenaud01: are you using ose version or non-ose?
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14:55<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, you tried it and works?
14:55<Lenaud01>I got the .deb from sun
14:55<Bernd_amd64>Syntax: "sudo sh username"
14:56<Bernd_amd64>but don´t run if file is already modified ...
14:56<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, hey i want to learn to program scripts like that :(
14:56<rjent>Greetings, if I want to extract a message from a /var/mail/user spool how would I do that?
14:56<Bernd_amd64>no error or already patched check
14:57<Bernd_amd64>anyone wants to try it ...
14:57<Jason1>I had to use Adobe Postscript to run this PPD file
14:57<Lenaud01>I have chmod it right?
14:57<Bernd_amd64>and read carefully !
14:57<Lenaud01>to give excute
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14:57<Bernd_amd64>Lenaud01, ?
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14:57<drakeman>Lenaud01, what distro are u using>
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14:58<Jay1>oh it is taken too?
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14:58<jhb1608>much better
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14:58<drakeman>jhb1608, the fix for your problem is posted by Bernd_amd64 whty dont you try it,,,,
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14:58<drakeman>jhb1608, you have the same distro as mee, the same release, the same problem i was having before...
14:58<drakeman>jhb1608, the same vbox version
14:59<drakeman>jhb1608, so, for me is the same problem with the same solution
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14:59<jhb1608>well what step I need to start with?
14:59<Bernd_amd64>jason ... keep jason_1337 so i know how u are :P
14:59<ml|>Lenaud01: try in #ubuntu on freenode
14:59<drakeman>jhb1608, if the things go wrong you can always reinstall all again :D
14:59<jhb1608>ok then
14:59<Bernd_amd64>clear not found ?
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15:00<drakeman>jason_l337, remember to restart after run the script
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15:00<jason_l337>ok bern, what step I need to start?
15:00<drakeman>and give to the script write permissions :D
15:00<drakeman>sorry, execute permissions
15:00<jason_l337>what step?
15:00<jason_l337>I need to type a command.
15:00<drakeman>jason_l337, check for the link posted by Bernd_amd64
15:01<Bernd_amd64>pastebin suxx ... replace "" with crap
15:01<drakeman>copy the script into vim or gedit , or nano, and save it with the name you want
15:01<jason_l337>I did
15:01<ml|>chmod +x script-name
15:01<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, use i thing
15:02<jason_l337>blah I guess it is the reason why I shouldn't learn linux but I am addicted to linux! lol
15:02<Bernd_amd64>kk try this
15:02<Bernd_amd64>but why clear not found ?
15:02<jason_l337>what command should I type?
15:02<Bernd_amd64>for what ?
15:02<jason_l337>I can't type your script without a command
15:02<jason_l337>your link silly
15:02<drakeman>jason_l337, Bernd_amd64 arleady said that
15:03<Bernd_amd64>Syntax: "sudo sh username"
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15:03<Bernd_amd64>i make a usage parte into it ^^
15:03<ml|>chmod +x script-name
15:03<jason_l337>this is what I need
15:03<drakeman>jason_l337, or in a ROOT terminal "sh scriptname youusername"
15:04<jason_l337>should I download that script?
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15:04<drakeman>jason_l337, yes
15:04<jason_l337>that is what I was asking, silly.
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15:04<drakeman>copy it and paste into vim, gedit, nano, and save it with the name
15:04<drakeman>to avoid errors xD or confussions xD
15:04<jason_l337>yup yup
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15:05<jason_l337>oh wait
15:05<jason_l337>should I remove those numbers
15:05<drakeman>the 1. 2. 3 line numbers
15:05<drakeman>just type the script commands.
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15:06<jason_l337>I guess I need a new brain lol
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15:07<drakeman>jason_l337, what happen?
15:07<jason_l337>I am still confused :|
15:07<drakeman>jason_l337, why?
15:07<jason_l337>I can remove the numbers
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15:07<jason_l337>I'm still afraid
15:07<drakeman>jason_l337, what else you need?
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15:08<drakeman>jason_l337, just remove the numbers, leave the #
15:08<Bernd_amd64>new version:
15:08<Bernd_amd64>now it checks for args and if run with root access
15:08<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, change log?
15:09<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, make a man page for the script xD
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15:10<drakeman>jason_l337, lets do something, i going to send you the scripts in a private, just copy and paste
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15:10<Bernd_amd64>fix the bug script doesn´t end if not entered YES :
15:10<Bernd_amd64>so use this version :
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15:11<jason_l337>ok how do I copy and paste and what filename I should type?
15:11<Lenaud01>fixed usb issue :)
15:12<Lenaud01>jason_l337, what distro you using
15:12<drakeman>jason_l337, y type the script in a private msg for you
15:12<drakeman>just copy and paste, dont copy the nicknaames please
15:12<drakeman>!contratulate Lenaud01
15:12<drakeman>Lenaud01, u use the script?
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15:12<drakeman>Lenaud01, hi is using debian squeeze
15:12<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
15:12<jason_l337>I use lenny
15:13<amphi>adb: ;)
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15:13<drakeman>ohh sorry
15:13<drakeman>jason_l337, uses lenny
15:13<amphi>drakeman: are you translating? ;)
15:13<Bernd_amd64>is my script working ?
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15:13<drakeman>amphi, just trying to help jason_l337
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15:14<Lenaud01>no script
15:14<amphi>< jason_l337> I use lenny < drakeman> jason_l337, uses lenny
15:14<Bernd_amd64>done it manual ?
15:14<jason_l337>I am trying to save it as a scriptsomething but not sure what end of the file extension
15:14<drakeman>manual way is easy too,
15:14<Lenaud01>sudo usermod -G vboxusers -a USERNAME
15:14<Lenaud01>grep vboxusers /etc/group
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15:15<Lenaud01>gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
15:15<Bernd_amd64>of course but jason ^^
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15:15<drakeman>jason_l337, save the file with this name
15:15<jason_l337>blah, just write a tutorial, so I can understand the steps, everything you say is confusing me, you'rej ust hopping around
15:15<Bernd_amd64>and use the latest version
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15:16<drakeman>jason_l337, want to try the manual way again?
15:16<Bernd_amd64>save content of to
15:16<jason_l337>ok now I copied the code
15:16<Bernd_amd64>in terminal "sudo sh username"
15:16<Bernd_amd64>maybe chmod +x before
15:17<drakeman>jason_l337, do one thing at time, first the chmod, then run the script.
15:17<jason_l337>save the fiel in jason area right?
15:18<jason_l337>ok done then I'm going in terminal
15:18<jason_l337>as root?
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15:18<Bernd_amd64>sh rest it will told u ^^
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15:19<jason_l337>it wants my username
15:19<jason_l337>should I?
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15:19<Bernd_amd64>use e.g. jason
15:20<jason_l337>wow it is easy
15:20<jason_l337>finally thanks :)
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15:20<Bernd_amd64>just say YES to reboot
15:20<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, he press Ctrl - C
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15:21<Bernd_amd64>i bet he run it again ^^ and fuc** his file :P
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15:23<Jason>not working
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15:24<Jason>I did what you told me
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15:24<drakeman>Jason, check the file mountkerns.fs
15:24<Jason>stiill grayed out
15:24<Bernd_amd64>open terminal
15:24<drakeman>and what says the line domount
15:24<drakeman>type the line here.
15:24<drakeman>just that 1 line.
15:24<drakeman>no all the script
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15:24<Jason>link again lol
15:25<Bernd_amd64>cat /etc/init.d/ >>
15:25<Bernd_amd64>and pastebin that file
15:25<drakeman>Jason, yes
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15:25<dpkg>pastebinit is probably a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
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15:26<Jason>nothing happened
15:26<Bernd_amd64>it creates a file ...
15:26<Bernd_amd64>or ml|´s method
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15:27<ml|>pastebinit -i -a jason
15:27<Bernd_amd64>where does it paste ?
15:27<drakeman>ml|, heyy, didnt know that hehehe,
15:27<Jason>I dunno
15:27<ml|> :)
15:28<ml|>pastebinit -i -a jason
15:28<ml|>typo before
15:28<Jason>I love this thing lol
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15:29<Bernd_amd64>domount usbfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs -onodev,noexec,nosuid << did you run the script ?
15:29<Jason>not yet
15:29<drakeman>!kill Jason
15:29<ml|>drakeman: pastebinit comes in handy :)
15:29*dpkg tears a hole in Jason's head with a whip
15:30<drakeman>ml|, yes, new thing for me :D
15:30<Jason>!win jason
15:30<dpkg>Congratulations, jason! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
15:30<Jason>lol I won a beauty content?
15:30<Jason>oh gosh lol
15:30<Bernd_amd64>Jason, terminal -> sudo sh yourusername
15:30<Bernd_amd64>follow the screen
15:31<Jason>I already ran that script
15:31<Bernd_amd64>is it really so hard ?
15:31<Bernd_amd64>no you dont !
15:31<drakeman>Jason, is not hard, just pay attenttino
15:31<drakeman>Jason, if you are a windows user, you can do it
15:31<Jason>I already typed yes
15:31<Jason>I'm not kidding.
15:32<Jason>the script you gave me I already typed yes
15:32<Bernd_amd64>are you in sudo list
15:32<Jason>yes in root
15:32<Bernd_amd64>else run as root
15:32<Jason>already in root
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15:32<Bernd_amd64>drakeman, what the hell is he doing ?
15:33<Bernd_amd64>could you checkout the script ... works fine for me ....
15:33<kristianpaul>drakeman: ?
15:33<ml|>heh, guys take it slow with him, seems to get lost quickly
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15:33<drakeman>hey kristianpaul
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15:34<drakeman>mmm, did he run the script?
15:34<kristianpaul>drakeman: who?
15:34<Bernd_amd64>ml|, would you take a look @ the script ?
15:34<sirakim>coment entrer
15:34<kristianpaul>drakeman: did u get finally the pics?
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15:35<Jason>ok it rebooted
15:35<Jason>now what?
15:35<drakeman>kristianpaul, pics?
15:35<ml|>Bernd_amd64: i don't use vbox, so i have no clue sorry
15:35<Jason>now what?
15:35<kristianpaul>drakeman: pictures?
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15:35<Bernd_amd64>pastebinit -i /etc/init.d/ -a jason
15:36<Bernd_amd64>ml|, kk
15:36<ml|>kristianpaul: /j #debian-offtopic
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15:36<Bernd_amd64>Jason, perfect !
15:37<Bernd_amd64>do not run the script again
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15:37<Bernd_amd64>start vbox ... now and you will have usb access
15:37<drakeman>!congratulate Jason
15:37<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies Jason, you did it!
15:37<kristianpaul>ml|: i know, sorry
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15:37<ml|>!beer Bernd_amd64
15:37*dpkg deftly decants a fine Guinness for Bernd_amd64
15:37<ml|>kristianpaul: np just reminding you
15:37<Jason>oh man
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15:38<Jason>it took me 3 days to figure out, now thanks
15:38<kristianpaul>ml|: but give me a beer :-P
15:38<Bernd_amd64>it takes me 4min and 10 min 4 a script ^^
15:38<drakeman>Jason, whohoooooooooooooooo
15:38<ml|>Jason: save that script for a rainy day ;)
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15:38<ml|>!congratulate Jason
15:38<dpkg>Nice one Jason, you did it!
15:39<Jason>ok gimme me the script link and I'm printing it out
15:39<Bernd_amd64>and note! there is no check in the script so never run it twice !!!!!!
15:39<Jason>link to the script
15:39<ml|>Bernd_amd64: place that note in the script maybe?
15:39<Jason>I'm printing the script and keeping it
15:39<Bernd_amd64>already done ! with user confirm ... have to type YES
15:40<ml|>ok, but a comment can't hurt ;)
15:40<Bernd_amd64> > click download and rename -> backup to FDD ^^ or whereever
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15:41<drakeman>Bernd_amd64, the script is the stable release already?
15:41<Bernd_amd64>:-P no still unsoported testing
15:41<Bernd_amd64>means alpha ? for newbie cracks only :-P
15:42<Bernd_amd64>anyone plays urbanterror ?
15:42<Jason>finally printing
15:43<Bernd_amd64>distribute where ever you want .... and pls give no credit ... else someone will kill me because he didn´t read ^^
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15:44<Jason>no I'm not crediting ya, I just keep it for records in case in the other time I may make an another computer.
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15:44<Guest1140>and face the same issues
15:44<Guest1140>oh blah
15:44<Guest1140>I need to register the nick,
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15:44<Guest1140>ok I need to go
15:44<drakeman>Guest1140, type ./nickserv help
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15:44<drakeman>without the .
15:45<ml|>Bernd_amd64: what exactly does it do, let's you use usb in non-ose or ose version?
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15:45<ml|>ins't usb supported in non-ose version by default?
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15:47<Bernd_amd64>it is but you havn´t access to usb from guest .... after edit it works ....
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15:48<ml|>ok, thanks for explaining
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15:49<ml|>Bernd_amd64: have you used kvm?
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15:50<Bernd_amd64>no not yet ... any advantages
15:51<ml|>well, should be a bit faster so dunno why i asked since you use vbox
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15:59<Bernd_amd64>i make it public in debian forum :-P
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15:59<Bernd_amd64>don´t hurt me ...
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16:03<ml|>Bernd_amd64: maybe post the link?
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16:04<linduxed>lets say ive got a music folder in /home/linduxed/music and i want the user mpd to be able to access it through a symlink called /var/lib/mpd/music, how do i set up the permissions so mpd gets to see and read the contents of /home/linduxed/music?
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16:05<Bernd_amd64>linduxed, create a group mymusic and add the users to it
16:05-!-jaggz1 [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:05<Bernd_amd64>set premissions to the folder / links etc. to the group
16:06<Bernd_amd64>this should work ?
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16:06<linduxed>Bernd_amd64: hmmm sounds reasonable
16:06<Bernd_amd64>it´s german forum
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16:08<ml|>Bernd_amd64: thanks, but i don't read german ;P , but someone here might find it useful
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16:09<Bernd_amd64> translate
16:09<ml|>heh, yeah
16:09<Bernd_amd64>is ther a main debian forum in english outther?
16:09<Bernd_amd64>out there ?
16:10<Bernd_amd64>wich youd you prefer ?
16:10<Bernd_amd64>would -.-
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16:11<carlobbo>hello all, I'm quite a newby
16:11<carlobbo>Is there that i can find soe help oabout debian?
16:11<Bernd_amd64>what kind of help ?
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16:12<amphi>carlobbo: install the debian-reference
16:12<carlobbo>I have a wireless netword adapter and i have a problem changing the mac address
16:12<ml|>not necessarie, but if you want and have an account on create one there too
16:14<amphi>carlobbo: can you not do it with ifconfig?
16:14<carlobbo>yes but after i do it the card stop working
16:15<Bernd_amd64>why chaning mac @ wlan ?
16:15<Bernd_amd64>wanne hack some networks ? :-P
16:15<carlobbo>security paranoia
16:16<Bernd_amd64>lol --- so better don´t use wlan
16:16<carlobbo>ah ah you're right!
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16:17<carlobbo>but if i can do it with a ethernet i must can do it also with a wlan
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16:22<linduxed>Bernd_amd64: ok so i created a group called "music", added myself and mpd to it, then i did a "sudo chown linduxed:music /home/linduxed/music/" and mpd still cant follow the symlink
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16:23<netzfix>linduxed: the users need to re-login so the changes of the group take effect
16:23<Bernd_amd64>the folder must be owned by the group
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16:24<linduxed>Bernd_amd64: chown music music?
16:24<Bernd_amd64>use gui ^^
16:24<amphi>carlobbo: that depends on whether the driver supports it, I expect
16:24<drakeman>ml|, bja says hellos to you, i cannot speak to you because he uses Tor.
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16:25<Bernd_amd64>why using tor for irc ?
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16:26<netzfix>Bernd_amd64: why using a vserver to proxy your irc connection?
16:26<Bernd_amd64>chown user:group -R folder
16:26<Bernd_amd64>no network restrictions...
16:27<Bernd_amd64>i´m behind a firewall ...
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16:31<Guest1141>hi. is there something that can be done when using lenny-backports kernel (2.6.30) and acpid to not get a message about acpid.socket not being accessible on gnome startup?
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16:32<panthera>Guest1141: which version of acpid?
16:32<ml|>drakeman: ok thanks send my regards
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16:33<Guest1141>panthera: 1.0.10-2~bpo50+1 . possibly it doesn't like that hal is messing with things, but I don't know how to disable that.
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16:34<netzfix>Guest1141: did you upgrade your dbus lately?
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16:36<Guest1141>netzfix: well, it's an install using a lenny beta di cd upgraded to lenny today.
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16:38<netzfix>Guest1141: so you did a "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade" and rebooted today?
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16:40<netzfix>i am asking cause there is a bugfix for dbus that sounds similar to your problem
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16:40<Guest1141>na, I used apt-get dist-upgrade and rebooted a number of times.
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16:41<Guest1141>but aptitude says it would upgrade only dhclient
16:42<Guest1141>dbus is at 1.2.1-5 if that matters
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16:51<netzfix>then i have no idea, sorry
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16:51<Guest1141>netzfix: thanks, though.
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17:02<gnude>nobody speaking?
17:02<rumbarg> howdy, gnude
17:02<gnude>hi rumbarg
17:02<gnude>where are you from?
17:02<rumbarg>Houston, Tx
17:03<rumbarg>and you ?
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17:03<gnude>oh, i have relevations in texas
17:03<gnude>i am from germany
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17:04<rumbarg>I _suspect_ a lot of people here are from Germany - were you just looking in ?
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17:05<gnude>were you just looking in .... please explain! what do you mean?
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17:06<rumbarg>not looking for anything specific as in support... as in looking into a room briefly
17:06<gnude>at the moment i dont need a special support. i just want to chat a little
17:06<gnude>i am installing debian on 2 pc's
17:07<rumbarg>which debian - lenny ?
17:07<ml|>gnude: read the install guide?
17:07<gnude>yes. lenny.
17:07<gnude>mlj ... no problems during installation
17:08<ml|>gnude: use tab to complete user names
17:08<ml|>new to irc?
17:08<gnude>ml|: ok. in understand.
17:08<ml|>good :)
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17:08<gnude>ml|: new. not realy. my first irc chat was in *justremeber*1997 i think. but then a long time no irc chat.
17:09<rumbarg>gnude: how did you come to be on - I don't think it's the big irc for debian... ?
17:09<ml|>ah makes sense, a guide might help you to remember no?
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17:10<gnude>rumbarg: good question. well. a year ago i wrote emails with the developer of ext3fsgrep, and he told me, that he is sometimes here. and the looks nice to me
17:12<rumbarg>I see: some of us here are from #sidux where they used it as a default for their support - and we wandered over here.
17:12<rumbarg>not many...
17:12<gnude>i am a debian user since 2007, yesterday i testet ubuntu jaunty, but it dont work good with my computer. and it tastes a little bit like windows. want to do everything for you. debian is there more clear
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17:12<rumbarg>howdy, Garp
17:13<gnude>i never worked with sidux
17:13<gnude>Garp: hi
17:13<Garp>I currently have a problem on one of my machines.
17:13<gnude>Garp: tell
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17:14<Garp>On boot, my system is deadly slow. And in the logs, there is something like: Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled. doesn't support DPO or FUR
17:15<abli>Hi! how can I use module-assistant to install virtualbox-ose module from sid if I am on testing? I.e. I can install packages with "apt-get install packagename/unstable", is there a similar for module-assistant?
17:15<Garp>I googled that, and saw something about IDE/AHCI stuff
17:15<gnude>Garp: what kind of hard disk do you use? ide, sata, scsi?
17:15<Garp>gnude: it's a SATA disk
17:16<Garp>I went to my BIOS and changed somewhere IDE to AHCI.
17:16<gnude>Garp: SMART tells errors?
17:16<Garp>I rebooted, but the problem is still the same
17:16<Garp>smartctl -a doesnt report any error
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17:16<Garp>BUT, in the logs, there are also mentions of errors:
17:17<Garp>status {DRDY ERR}
17:17<Garp>error: { UNC }
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17:18<Garp>and some other lines.
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17:19<gnude>Garp: silly idea, but problem with sata cable? do you changed something at the system before the error appears?
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17:22<Garp>gnude: Hum, I moved the machine not so far before, and plugged some fans on a molex connector...
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17:23<gnude>help! after installation in germany, i have english keyboard layout in shell (i answered all questions during installation with german!)
17:23<rumbarg>howdy, snama
17:23<snama>how are you?
17:23<Garp>gnude: but right: if the disk says 'I have no error' but the kernel see some, maybe cable is a place to look at
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17:24<rumbarg>gnude: locales in xorg ?
17:24<gnude>Garp: yes. my first idea. look, what you have done shortly before....
17:24<abli>abli: (replying to myself) simply 'apt-get install the-source-package/unstable' and then run module-assistant. Cool.
17:24<gnude>rumbarg: where to find? xorg.conf?
17:24<rumbarg>I think - that's a first guess.
17:25<snama>gnude might this be of any help?
17:25<ml|>dpkg: tell gnude about locales
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17:25<gnude>i have installed lenny sometimes before but never had this problem
17:26<some>hi there can some one help me just bought a 8 gallon tank
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17:26<some>and decided to put substate in and now the water has gone all merky how do i fix this
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17:27<ml|>some: this channel is for debian issues only, do you have a debian question?
17:28<snama>help, my poo is of different color than usual. should i see the doctor?
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17:28<amphi>!fix snama
17:28*dpkg takes snama to the vet for a "special" visit.
17:28<Garp>gnude: thanks, I'm trying to change the cable...
17:28<rumbarg>gnude: console-setup package might do it
17:29<drakeman>kick snama
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17:30<drakeman>snama, you can ask in #windows they know a lot ofpoop
17:31<fmr>i'm unable to mount cdrom "no media found" and I think this appears since I've changed MB/CPU, its an SCSI card, and the two cdrom drive doesn't works, and since the change of the MB/CB debian take lot of time at the first boot step (like 60sec without writing to the console)
17:31<erKURITA>fmr is the cdrom drive recognized by the system?
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17:31<fmr>(and my scsi card reconize the drive)
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17:32<fmr>erKURITA: by the scsi card yes
17:32<erKURITA>and the OS ?
17:32<erKURITA>I mean, does it recognize the drive?
17:33<fmr> /dev I have scd0 et scd1 but I've changed the MB/CPU
17:33<erKURITA>so, when you try "# mount /media/cdrom" it fails, right?
17:33<fmr>yes, "no media found"
17:34<SuperMiguel>whats the best way to administer machines graphically? VNC right? how do i install vnc in debian?
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17:35<miguel>how can i use my logitech web cam?
17:35<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about vnc
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17:35<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about vnc setup
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17:36<fmr>an lspci give me 08:00.0 SCSI storage controller: Tekram Technology Co.,Ltd. TRM-S1040 (rev 01)
17:36<drakeman>dpkg: tell drakeman about vnc setup
17:36<fmr>so the scsi card is detected...
17:36<drakeman>i want to know too :D
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17:36<adb>dpkg: tell drakeman selftell
17:37<fmr>and lsmod scsi_mod 160760 7 usb_storage,sbp2,sd_mod,sg,sr_mod,dc395x,libata
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17:38<ml|>dpkg: tell miguel about webcam
17:38<fmr>I don't known what is wrong..
17:38<Garp>gnude: I changed cable. But I'm not so sure now: to me it's software. Because the errors start appearing o the screan always at the same place in teh boot sequence. Just after "Battery check" (not a laptop, but I belive that's acpi loading) and just before "apache2 starting"... So there might be somting that set it wrong. I thought about hdparm, and commented all lines in /etc/hdparm.conf; but still the same...
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17:39<miguel>thx ml
17:39<gnude>can somebody tell me what is "moron"
17:41<dpkg>from memory, moron is someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more
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17:42<Garp>gnude: usually the insults tells more about the one who profers them than about the one it's intended to ;)
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17:43<amphi>ajavid was going to get one...
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17:44<SuperMiguel>ml|, im trying to set x11vnc when i type vncviewer localhost
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17:45<SuperMiguel>ml|, i get can open display:
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17:45<ml|>SuperMiguel: really can't help you with that, it was to point you in the right direction
17:45<ajavid>I was?
17:46<ajavid>amphi, quote #?
17:46<amphi>I forget - #24 perhaps?
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17:46<ajavid>how to do it?
17:46<ajavid>!qotd #24
17:46<amphi>I forget - @quote get 24 or some such
17:46<ajavid>do it
17:46<amphi>it wasn't in here
17:46<ml|>!qotd 24
17:47<ajavid>where am I
17:47<ml|>!qotd 243
17:47<dpkg><reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials?
17:47<dpkg><sanmarcos> Dabian: thank sanmarcos, not me
17:47<ajavid>ml|, are you having a good time there?
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17:48<ml|>yes :) forgot how to trigger qotd's
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17:50<ajavid>amphi, do it
17:51<ajavid>amphi, anywhere
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17:57<SuperMiguel>to run windows under debian im better off running virtualbox or vmware?
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17:59<ml|>there is also kvm
17:59<SuperMiguel>is kvm any good?
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18:00<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about kvm
18:00<ml|>dpkg: tell SuperMiguel about vbox
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18:00<ml|>i would use one of those
18:01<SuperMiguel>ml|, which is more stable ? i will install windows server 2003 on it
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18:02<ml|>kvm takes a bit more work, but might run better, but try them both and see which one you prefer
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18:03<ml|>if you want usb support use the non-ose version, read the links dpkg told you
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18:08<abdulah>Should I upgrade gnome as this guy is telling me?
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18:09<abdulah>It is normal the gnome's version that I am actually using?
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18:11<ml|>judd versions gnome
18:11<judd>ml|: gnome -- etch: 1: lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 squeeze: 1:2.24.3~2squeeze1 sid: 1:2.26+0
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18:12<abdulah>It is safe upgrade?
18:12<ml|>you are on lenny correct?
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18:12<ml|>hmm, dunno have you checked
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18:13<ml|>but i doubt you can
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18:13<abdulah>No. I don't know what I need check there.
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18:13<gnude>i say bye
18:13<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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18:15<ml|>abdulah: so go to and see if the version of gnome you want is there
18:15<azeem>abdulah: you want help with bugs on lenny, you will have to file a Debian bug
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18:16<abdulah>For orca?
18:16<azeem>otherwise, gnome-2.26 is available in testing
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18:20<adb>gnome-2.26 is in sid ..
18:20<melkart>if i am already running a lvm, is it dangerous to open another encrypted partition with lvm volumes in it, by "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdX2 secondlvm"? can i access the data on that other encrypted lvm partition then? or will it destroy data?
18:21<abdulah>apt-get upgrade gnome?
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18:22<ml|>abdulah: have you checked debian bts?
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18:22<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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18:25<abdulah>I got something like it sometimes
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18:27<abdulah>The guy got no answer, bug with 1 year old.
18:27<abdulah>Probably it's not a good idea file a debian bug report. Sorry.
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18:28<ml|>abdulah: it does not hurt to file one, use reportbug
18:29<user458>i'm running gtkdiskfree and it shows two entries for tmpfs, both at 500MB
18:29<user458>does this have anything to do with my ram?
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18:30<Lethalman>user458, yes and no, it uses virtual memory... that means it can be ram or swap
18:31<Lethalman>of course the kernel manages it with a swap trend over ram
18:31<Lethalman>you can put a limit to it in your fstab, 500mb is too big :S
18:32<user458>does it effect how much ram is available to other apps?
18:32<Lethalman>user458, no but... where's it mounted?
18:32<Lethalman>is it /tmp or /dev/shm?
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18:33<user458>or is there a way to be sure if it is swap or ram? ... one in /lib/init/rw and one in /dev/shm
18:33<Lethalman>no problem then
18:33<Lethalman>that's quite normal
18:33<user458>used space is at 0% for both
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18:38<riomare1>can any1 help me with this problem: the os is missreading the cpu temp and it shutdowns when it shouldn't
18:38<riomare1>is there any other way than to fix this problem than disable automatic shutdown at 60 degrees in bios
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18:42<stroyan>riomare1: Is it the OS or the BIOS that is shutting the system down? 60° ? That's almost freezing! ;-)
18:42<ml|>riomare1: do you have an app telling the computer to shutdown?
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18:42<abdulah>I filed the debian bug report.
18:42<ml|>60c maybe
18:43<abdulah>But I don't find a confirmartion.
18:43<azeem>abdulah: it takes a while to process usually
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18:44<riomare1>stroyan: 60 centigrades not fahrenheit...
18:44<riomare1>ml|: nop
18:44<ml|>just write down the bugreport # and check on it later and you should receive an email
18:45<ml|>abdulah: ^
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18:45<azeem>you don't get the bug number until the confirmatin
18:45<ml|>riomare1: maybe clean out the inside of pc and check fans etc...
18:46<riomare1>its no problem
18:46<riomare1>i checked
18:46<riomare1>and it only happens when i bring the pc out of sleep
18:46<ml|>azeem: oh, oops thought it did, sorry forgot
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18:47<riomare1>ml| i checked google and i saw that couple of people have the same problem
18:47<riomare1>ml| but on ubuntu
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18:48<riomare1>ml| i am guessing maybe the NB fan isnt spinning or something when i bring the pc out of sleep or something
18:48<riomare1>ml| cause the cpu fan is ok
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18:49<ml|>riomare1: well, maybe you should file a bugreport, if it happens only then and hardware is ok
18:50<riomare1>ml| i will check the forums a bit more
18:50<ml|>riomare1: also check bts first
18:50<riomare1>ml|: is there any other forum besides this?
18:50<riomare1>ml|: whats bts?
18:51<ml|>dpkg: tell riomare1 about bts
18:51<ml|>dpkg: tell riomare1 about forums
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18:52<ml|>riomare1: that is the only forum i visit debian wise
18:53<riomare1>ml|: bug tracking system lol ... i must just type in google and thats it
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18:55<ml|>yeah it's obivious after you know what it means ;)
18:56<riomare1>ml| thx for help
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19:02<abdulah>Should I wait for the bug report to get answered or upgrade my gnome ?
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19:03<durruti>canal spanish?
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19:03<adb>dpkg: tell durruti about es
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19:07<abdulah>It reminds me that the stable status of a distro can be worse of this point. Outdated software get broken, what is the advantage?
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19:12<justfil>I can't play sounds simultaneously in Firefox and Decibel audio player. If I start decibel first there's no sounds in flash apps in firefox
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19:13<locsmif>justfil, I have similar problems
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19:14<locsmif>justfil, I've noticed that Firefox keeps certain files in /dev/snd/ in use
19:14<locsmif>Whether or not this originates from the Flash player, I don't know, but probably, yes
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19:18<justfil>i managed to fix this problem months ago by installing some package which name i forgot..
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19:19<ml|>i think you need esd or pulse audio
19:19<netzfix>for flash to work properly?
19:20<netzfix>that would be one more reason to ban flash from my machine
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19:20<ml|>no, for simulatneous playback
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19:21<hdon>hi all. if i boot off of a Lenny install CD, how can i perform "rescue" operations. for example, destroying the partition table.
19:21<ml|>that is not a flash issue
19:22<craigevil>flash on sites like pandora/ have no issues playing other sounds say in a game or shell-fm
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19:25<craigevil>you run into the problem when using a sound server like artsd rather than just using alsa
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19:27<Bernd_amd64>how can i perform "rescue" operations. for example, destroying the partition table. << ;-)
19:27<Bernd_amd64>rescue - destroy ^^
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19:29<ml|>esound-common is what i have here installed, but pulseaudio should work too
19:29<Bernd_amd64>oss4 ftw
19:30<Bernd_amd64>works perfect with simultane sounds
19:31<ml|>Bernd_amd64: maybe using a live cd?
19:31<Bernd_amd64>what ?
19:31<Bernd_amd64>sry can´t get the point
19:31<netzfix>alsa should work perfectly with simultanous sound
19:31<Bernd_amd64>not all the time
19:32<Bernd_amd64>that´s why the most ppl use pulse
19:32<netzfix>the application who uses it is not well done then
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19:32<amphi>depends on the card as far as I know
19:32<amphi>works fine here
19:32<Bernd_amd64>on my ALC888 alsa lose against oss4 for more than 1 reason
19:33<justfil>locsmif, i fixed it by reverting settings to ALSA, i was using pulseaudio before
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19:34<ml|>just using alsa here does not work ;( so i need esound-common
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19:34<setog3>hi, on my debian laptop, when I close the lid, the laptop go into sleep (with s2ram I think), but when it do that, I ear a little noise from audio system : like an hifi when you unplug the power.. how to reduce this noise ?
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19:35<Bernd_amd64>what happens if ypu mute output before ? any diffrence ?
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19:35<loudergood>turn down or mute the volume first? You may be able to script that
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19:35<setog3>Bernd_amd64: no same things, no difference
19:36<setog3>I mute all in aumix, and do s2ram, same sound, and with windows xp on this computer, when it go to ram no noise
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19:36<Bernd_amd64>if you stop sounddeamon before ?
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19:37<setog3>Bernd_amd64: sound daemon ? how ? killall kmix ?
19:38<Bernd_amd64>wich deamon do you use ?
19:38<Bernd_amd64>alsa ? oss ? pulse ? arts ? esd ?
19:38<ml|>actually i'm wrong esd-common is not needed, sorry for any confusion caused
19:39<setog3>Bernd_amd64: alsa I think, if I do /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop before s2ram it go to sleep without any noise !
19:39<Bernd_amd64>so it works when you stop it first ?
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19:39<setog3>Bernd_amd64: yes
19:40<Bernd_amd64>kk so you may script it to stop when s2ram and start when wake up
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19:41<Bernd_amd64>check /etc/suspend.conf
19:41<Bernd_amd64>i dont use it so haven´t the file
19:42<setog3>I have no file like that one, (I have only a /etc/uswsusp.conf
19:43<abdulah>How do I upgrade GNOME to 2.2.26?
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19:43<abdulah>I am using Debian Lenny.
19:44<miguel>ther is an typo in dpkg. it says i should type: "gscpa one-liner" instead of "gspca one-liner""
19:45<locsmif>justfil, where did you change this?
19:45<miguel>after i ask about "gspca"
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19:45<justfil>locklace, System -> Preferences -> Sound
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19:47<Bernd_amd64>kk i found a way to disable sounddeamon ...
19:47<Bernd_amd64>@ setog3
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19:47<miguel>i get a /dev/video0 after modprobing "gspca" but when i try to open it with mplayer
19:48<miguel>i get an error: Cannot seek backward in linear streams!
19:48<miguel>, seek failed
19:48<locsmif>justfil, do you use Gnome?
19:48<setog3>Bernd_amd64: how ?
19:48<locsmif>because I use KDE..
19:49<justfil>locsmif, yes
19:49<Bernd_amd64>do you push some sleep button ?
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19:50<setog3>Bernd_amd64: not exactly, but I think that it use the lid switch button.. so your idea is to use the acpi_event of this button ?
19:50<Bernd_amd64>create a file : /etc/acpi/events/custom_lid
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19:50<Bernd_amd64>put this into it : event=button/lid
19:51<Bernd_amd64>2 lines
19:51<Bernd_amd64>create one more file /etc/acpi/actions/
19:52<Bernd_amd64>and put into the command for shutdown the sounddeamon
19:52<Bernd_amd64>make sure action script is executable ... chmod +x
19:52<riomare1>Bernd_amd64: with which problem are you helping him if i m8 ask
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19:52<Bernd_amd64>giv it a try and report back
19:53<Bernd_amd64>he has noise comming out the speakers when he s2ram his i belive notebook
19:53<Bernd_amd64>when he stopped sounddeamon befor s2ram than everything is fine
19:54<Bernd_amd64>so we try to automate that via script + acpi event
19:54<Bernd_amd64>get the point ?
19:54<riomare1>yes i think so
19:54<riomare1>maybe u can help me with a problem
19:54<riomare1>when i suspend pc and then wake it up
19:55<riomare1>it shutdown-s because the temp is too high
19:55<riomare1>and that happens only if i put pc to suspend and then wake him up
19:56<riomare1>is there some kind of bug that it lowers the speed of fan
19:56<riomare1>or something
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19:58<Bernd_amd64>sry don´t know ... my pc is water cooled and i dont use s2ram
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19:59<riomare1>so ur never put ur pc too sleep
20:00<Bernd_amd64>no sometimes ... rarely i shut him down ... 1 or 2 times a year
20:01<abrotman>5,000 hour water change ?
20:02<setog3>Bernd_amd64: don't works.. seem that the script isn't called.. but I have with acpi_listener the lid switch button close..
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20:09<setog3>Bernd_amd64: ohh ! there seem to be a file for what I need : /etc/hibernate/common.conf and there is a line with alsa-utils :D
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20:10<justfil>How to find where firefox keeps my profile data
20:10<justfil>it's obviously not in /home/user/.firefox
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20:11<Bernd_amd64>ind user folder
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20:13<Bernd_amd64>abrotman, change ?
20:13<abrotman>Bernd_amd64: it was a joke .. like a 5,000 mile oil change for your car
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20:14<kurumin>e ai jason fmz
20:14<Bernd_amd64>ok it´s quit late
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20:15<Bernd_amd64>anyone knows how to setup network printer in linux ?
20:15<abrotman>to add it , or print to it
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20:16<Bernd_amd64>both ... i have a lexmark wich is not suported by linux ... so no usb but there must be another way via ethernet or w-lan
20:16<Jason>I think I can help you with this, Bernd_amd64
20:17<Bernd_amd64>i prefer printing via ethernet because i hope no needed driver ?
20:17<Jason>what model specifically?
20:17<Bernd_amd64>lexmark x9850
20:17<Jason>I may try doing networking
20:17<Jason>ok I'll look it up
20:17<Bernd_amd64>sry 9350 ^
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20:18<Jason>it's ok
20:19<Jason>which printer support do you prefer?
20:20<Bernd_amd64>everone ... the goal is printing ...
20:20<Jason>ok then I'll try my best, sir :)
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20:21<Jason>let me examine some more
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20:22<deniz>quick question: do disable touchpad tapping, must I change the driver from "mouse" to "gsynaptics" ?
20:22<deniz>"synaptics" ****
20:22<Jason>good question
20:22<deniz>Jason, do you know the answer?
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20:24<deniz>anyways my mom made these rely good steaks, ill be bak later lol
20:25<Jason>but still, good question.
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20:30<justfil>does anyone know how to customize the directory page in lighttpd
20:30<Jason>do there is a way to install firefox in Debian?
20:31<Bernd_amd64>use iceweasle
20:31<Mafia>yes yes there is
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20:32<Bernd_amd64>Jason, i´ve read the link and sounds not so good
20:32<Mafia>that firefox is already in debian is very maggoty
20:32<Bernd_amd64>why @ Mafia
20:33<Jason>ok then
20:33<Jason>I'll use ice weasel
20:33<Mafia>Oh brother has nothing to do with firefox Original is much ruin
20:33<Bernd_amd64>firefox is just bad at all
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20:34<Mafia>you talk it is ruin for all linux is?
20:34<justfil>Jason, you can download firefox from their official site and then try to run it
20:35<Jason>wow most printers are huge and only support linux, it is so ironic
20:35<Bernd_amd64>pluginsystem unsecure -- browser to vulnerable
20:35<Jason>true but I still use it anyways
20:35<Bernd_amd64>opera best browser ever ...
20:35<Bernd_amd64>fast - secure - feature rich - just the best
20:35<Jason>well I still wonder why big professional printers are only supported in linux
20:36<riomare1>hmm i am wondering so debian is behind with the latest versions so if u programm in python or something u cant use the newest version ? :S
20:36<Jason>I'll use opera :P
20:37<Mafia>Bernd type mano, vc USA which Debian linux right? be more kind RedHat 9 that he is better than the other linux?
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20:40<Bernd_amd64>Mafia, say what ?
20:41<Mafia>Why I want to know which Linux distribution and the best Sakai, pe is Kurumin, Debian, Fedora, and RedHat9 etc. .. means friend?
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20:42<Bernd_amd64>still don´t understand you ... sry
20:42<Jason>I'd prefer Debian, but I need to learn on mostly Linux
20:42<riomare1>u guys are using untested packages too?
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20:43<Bernd_amd64>what means untested ?
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20:44<Bernd_amd64>pkgs from all over the net ? - no !
20:44<riomare1>i mean not stable
20:45<Jason>I know.
20:45<Jason>I downloaded opera
20:46<Bernd_amd64>you can add opera to your repos
20:46<Jason>let me check
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20:46<Jason>ok now what?
20:47<Bernd_amd64>what what ?
20:47<Jason>can I get the4 stable version instead of unstable version?
20:48<Bernd_amd64>well explained there
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20:48<Jason>ok I'm following
20:49<Bernd_amd64>use Production release for your dist --- so lenny i mean
20:49<craigevil>the opera beta is better, it has less issues with flash
20:49<Bernd_amd64>no !
20:49<Bernd_amd64>i use stable 9.62 and flash works just fine ! no need for beta
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20:50<Jason>ok I found the deb for lenny, now what? I forgot how.
20:50<craigevil>opera: Installed: 10.00.4402.gcc4.qt3 works much better than 9.64
20:50<Bernd_amd64>add repo to sources.list
20:50<Bernd_amd64>wget the key
20:50<Bernd_amd64>update apt
20:50<Jason>I already did wget
20:50<Bernd_amd64>install via apt
20:50<Jason>but I need to do the sorces.list
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20:51<Bernd_amd64>sudo gedit or nano or vim /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:51<Bernd_amd64>add the line for your distro ...
20:51<Bernd_amd64>save and update apt
20:51<Bernd_amd64>sry +u
20:52<Jason>now updating....
20:53<Jason>ok now
20:53<Bernd_amd64>apt-get install opera
20:53<Jason>apt-get install opera?
20:53<Jason>I said it first
20:53<Jason>I win
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20:53<Bernd_amd64>!win jason
20:53<dpkg>Congratulations, jason! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
20:54<Jason>lo lsure I can collect CDs.
20:54<Bernd_amd64>AOL :-P
20:54<Jason>a lot better
20:54<Jason>I liek the stable opera
20:55<Bernd_amd64>to use flash just download flasplayer10 tar.gz from adobe page
20:55<Bernd_amd64>put it into /usr/lib/opera/plugins
20:55<craigevil>why? opera uses the iceweasel/mozilla plugins
20:55<craigevil>lol yes
20:55<Bernd_amd64>disable pluginpath to mozilla
20:56<craigevil>i hev never ha dto do anything to get opera to use flash, java etc it reads the mozilla plusgin dir and works just fine
20:56<Bernd_amd64>@ 64 bit u have to
20:56<Bernd_amd64>x86 dont know
20:56<craigevil>installing separate plugins in not needed
20:56<Jason>I like opera oh well
20:57<Bernd_amd64>Jason, x64 or x86
20:57<Bernd_amd64>kk so no need
20:57<Jason>it works fine with me
20:57<Bernd_amd64>check out for flash support
20:57<Bernd_amd64>and checkout F12 ^^
20:58<Bernd_amd64>and also checkout rightclick block content ^^ nice feature ... no ads again :)
20:58<Jason>oh no
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20:58<Jason>I had to install Flash
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20:58<Jason>how fun
20:59<Bernd_amd64>use installer from adobe
20:59<Bernd_amd64>should work under x86
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20:59<Jason>lol tar.gz ones?
20:59<Bernd_amd64>extract and run installer script
21:00<craigevil>flashplugin-nonfree works just fine and gets updated unlike using the files from adobe
21:00<Bernd_amd64>never use it because does not support 64bit
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21:00<Jason>it won't let me install
21:01<Jason>which file I should get?
21:01<craigevil>flashplugin-nonfree: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 [backports]: amd64 i386 , yes it does
21:01<Bernd_amd64>don´t work for me
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21:01<Bernd_amd64>small animations yes also with gnash ... but no vidz like youtube ...
21:02<Jason>yay done
21:02<Bernd_amd64>so at my side i use opera + + nspluginwrapper @ amd64 -> works perfect
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21:05<Jason>works better in iceweasel, but not opera
21:06<Bernd_amd64>flash is not working @ your side ?
21:07<Jason>only iceweasel
21:07<Jason>so weird
21:07<Bernd_amd64>so try my way
21:07<Jason>I might try configuring the installer path so it will install in opera
21:07<Jason>I'll try yours
21:07<Bernd_amd64>no opera will search mozilla plugin folder
21:08<Bernd_amd64>kk install nspluginwrapper
21:08<Jason>then I'll confgire opera's plugins folder?
21:08<Jason>oh well I'll do your way
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21:09<Jason>I don't have it
21:09<Jason>I tried sypnatic thing
21:09<Jason>not found
21:09<Jason>guess I have to do the command thing
21:09<Bernd_amd64>add contrib after debians repo in sources.list
21:10<Jason>apt-get nspluginwrapper?
21:10<Bernd_amd64>after the main
21:10<Bernd_amd64>apt-get install nspluginwrapper
21:10<craigevil>nspluginwrapper is not needed on 32bit
21:11<Jason>already done that
21:11<Jason>not working
21:11<Bernd_amd64>than just copy the file to plugin folder of opera
21:11<Bernd_amd64>and uncheck mozilla pluginpath in opera settings
21:12<ml|>Jason: you might want to add non-free in your sources.list if you don't have them already
21:12<craigevil>Jason: check the opera pluginpath.ini and make sure you have flashplugin-nonfree installed
21:12<netzfix>Bernd_amd64: are you a night owl? :P
21:13<Bernd_amd64>i think i´m not a good i386 supporter ^^
21:13<craigevil>pluginpath.ini should have > /usr/lib/opera/plugins=1 /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins=1 /usr/lib/netscape/plugins-libc6=1
21:14<Jason>oh well
21:14<Jason>I'll wait
21:14<Jason>my head hurts all day
21:15<netzfix>thats the linux effect
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21:15<craigevil>thats what happens when you do things the hard way like downloading plugins from a website rather than using the package management tools debian uses
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21:16<ml|>yeah, do a bit a research ;)
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21:17<Bernd_amd64>what´s wrong in unterstanding diffrent ways to reach the goal?
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21:18<ml|>nothing, but why do it the hard way, when it can be done easier
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21:19<Bernd_amd64>dont know about that ... sry never used i386
21:19<craigevil>not using the packages means you are not getting security updates unless you constantly check adobe, sun etc for new releases
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21:20<ml|>using stuff not from repos means you are the maintainer of said package(s)
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21:23<Bernd_amd64>until you know what you are doing repo only is the best way ... but does not solve everything all the time ...
21:23<Bernd_amd64>dont´t know ^^ i mean
21:23<ml|>i should say that, there is nothing wrong with, if that is ok with the user/admin ;)
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21:26<ml|>true, but using the repos should be your first stop
21:27<Bernd_amd64>of course
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21:36<Jason>hi again, and I looked in plug-ins in opera
21:36<Jason>I got this:
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21:37<abrotman>that's the debian way ..
21:37<abrotman>Jason: readlink -f /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
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21:45<abrotman>Jason: but you want real flash ?
21:45<drakeman>good evening guys!
21:46<abrotman>Jason: it's really quite a bit easier if you just use the adobe-flash packages from
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21:48<drakeman>Jason, hey! how are you man.
21:49<Jason>headaches, but good lol
21:49<Jason>hmmm... ok abrotman
21:50<Jason>I need to type the commands in terminal and do the apt-get thing
21:50<ml|>Jason: what did you do to get flash working in iceweasel?
21:50<Jason>I dunno
21:50<Jason>it loads natively
21:50<Jason>but not opera
21:50<abrotman>Jason: i mean ... i can give you the command to set it up if you really want it
21:50<Jason>shockwave flack works fine
21:50<Jason>but not in opera
21:51<abrotman>Jason: in "about:plugins" in opera .. where is it looking for flash ?
21:52<abrotman>Jason: where is your ?
21:52<abrotman>/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ ?
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21:53<abrotman>update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ 10
21:53<drakeman>Jason, your opera is seeing the flashlugin in tools/preferes/advance/content/plugin options (all this inside opera)
21:53<abrotman>then run 'update-alternatives --config'
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21:54<abrotman>Jason: then restart opera .. should be fixed
21:54<abrotman>oh .. when you run the --config .. choose the one :)
21:55<Jason>I already did copy and paste the whole line
21:55<abrotman>there was more than one command
21:56<Jason>There is only 1 program which provides
21:56<Jason>(/usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/ Nothing to configure.
21:56<ml|>Jason: one step at a time, don't rush
21:56<abrotman>Jason: did you run the first command i gave you ?
21:56<Jason>I am not rushing
21:56<abrotman>update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ 10
21:56<abrotman>that one ?
21:56<abrotman>did it error ?
21:57<abrotman>and the other command only gives you one line ?
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21:57<Jason>no the 2nd one you gavem me is 2 lines
21:57<Jason>There is only 1 program which provides
21:57<Jason>(/usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/ Nothing to configure.
21:57<abrotman>it's one long command
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21:58<owen1>I have 'exec wbar & awesome' in .xinitrc. i only see the wbar app in one of the monitors. how to make it show on the other as well? (i have X in each).
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21:58<abrotman>let's try this another way
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21:58<abrotman>update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ 10 && update-alternatives --config
21:59<abrotman>copy that whole line .. and run it as one command
21:59<craigevil>if update-alternatives isnt showing anything other than libswfdec chances are adobe flash isnt installed
21:59<abrotman>if it still yells at you .. paste /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ in
21:59<Jason>There is only 1 program which provides
21:59<Jason>(/usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/ Nothing to configure.
21:59<abrotman>craigevil: he said the file exists
21:59<drakeman>craigevil, thanks for tell me to install opera 10 man, is great, works flawless with jango xD
22:00<craigevil>drakeman: np the opera betas are usually much better than the stable versions
22:00<Jason>stable is better so no crashes
22:00<Jason>beta is risky to be crashed
22:00<abrotman>anyways ...
22:00<ml|>depends sometimes beta's are better
22:01<craigevil>Jason: i run sid my whole system is "beta" :) one more app doesnt matter
22:01<drakeman>craigevil, yes xD thanks.
22:01<Jason>then all beta programs is in the risk to crash
22:01<abrotman>Jason: are you going to paste that file ?
22:01<Jason>oh sorry was distracted
22:02<abrotman>yeah .. i blame ml| .. he does that a lot
22:02<Jason>ok what file?
22:02<abrotman>if it still yells at you .. paste /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ in
22:02<ml|>damn i always get blamed ;(
22:02<craigevil>drakeman: if you run kde4 there is a new qt4 version of opera
22:03<abrotman>Jason: it's a website ?
22:03<Jason>I'm more an copy and paste person lol
22:03<drakeman>craigevil, nooo, kde is evil :D
22:03<Jason>yes kde is evil, it don't like me
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22:04<craigevil>drakeman: dont have to tell me I run lxde
22:04<drakeman>lol xD
22:04<abrotman>stop distracting him .. jeez
22:04<ml|>xmonad :)
22:05<craigevil>if he has flashplayer-mozilla installed /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ should have /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/
22:06<abrotman>craigevil: really, and if he didn't use the package?
22:06<owen1>(awesome wm) when I start pidgin it appear in EVERY tag. someone told me it's related to stickiness but I can't find it on the wiki.
22:07<Jason>well it won't play
22:07<abrotman>Jason: are you ever going to paste that file for me ?
22:07<craigevil>the file iceweasel is seeing is because he installed the adobe plugin from the tar.gz other wise opera would have /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/ in about:plugins
22:08<Jason>umm... how?
22:08<abrotman>go to .. paste the file
22:08<abrotman>(this is why you tell people to use the package .. not the stupid installer from
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22:09<Jason>it won't let me paste
22:10<abrotman>it won't let you ?
22:12<abrotman>errors are helpful
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22:13-!-Jason was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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22:14<Jason>did ya get it?
22:14<abrotman>Jason: are there more than four lines ?
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22:14<abrotman>are you running the commands i gave you as root ?
22:15<Jason>I did
22:15<Jason>maybe I need to retry again
22:15<Jason>as root of course
22:15<abrotman>and you're typing it all in as *one line* ?
22:15<abrotman>or copying
22:15<abrotman>it's all one line .. i told you that
22:15<Jason>there is a space
22:15<abrotman>three times actually
22:15<Jason>I did paste all of the line
22:16<Jason>blah I need to put my poor brain to rest, it is overworked
22:16<Jason> :)
22:16<drakeman>Jason, dont give up :D
22:16<abrotman>Jason: this is i386 ?
22:16<Jason>I am not.
22:17<ml|>Jason: relax man
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22:17<abrotman>Jason: cd /tmp && wget && dpkg -i flashplayer-mozilla_10.0.22.87-0.1_i386.deb
22:18<abrotman>all of the whole line ?
22:19<abrotman>Jason: update-alternatives --list .. how many lines ?:
22:19<Jason>2 lines
22:19<abrotman>Jason: update-alternatives --config
22:19<abrotman>choose the
22:20<Jason>well should I do your command first?
22:20<abrotman>huh ?
22:20<abrotman>craigevil: see .. now he has that directory
22:20<Jason> Jason: update-alternatives --config
22:20<abrotman>yes ..
22:20<abrotman>it will ask you which you want .. choose the
22:21<Jason>ok now what?
22:21*abrotman wishes they had at least made a flash-helper package for people doing flash manually
22:21<abrotman>Jason: restart opera
22:21<Jason>going to to test
22:21<abrotman>NOT THAT!
22:22<Aleric>Anyone here knows the word that is used for 'assumptions that stay true or constant' in code?
22:22<abrotman>you'll waste hours!!!!!!!!
22:22<Jason>wow it works
22:22<abrotman>Aleric: while (1) :)
22:22<Jason>thanks abrotman
22:22<Jason>ok now.. hm.
22:22<Jason>what else....
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22:22<ml|>!congratulate Jason
22:22<dpkg>Yay Jason, you did it!
22:22*abrotman still doesn't see why the adding manually didn't work .. but whatever
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22:23*Jason thinks his brain is in fire lol.
22:23<ml|>it is i see your head buring ;)
22:23-!-crema [] has joined #debian
22:23<ml|>*burning even
22:24<Jason>I can make a linux program, but it'll be a lot of work
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22:25<ml|>hmm, how your head will be ashes by then ;)
22:26<ml|>Jason: it happens to a lot of people, it's not just you
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22:26<twb>How can I list all files on the system with md5sums that don't match those in /var/lib/dpkg/ manifests?
22:27<abrotman>twb: debsums
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22:28<Jason>!congratulate abrotman
22:28<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies abrotman, you did it!
22:30<craigevil>the problem is with Adobe having a .deb and telling people how to install flash rather than refering them to
22:31<abrotman>adobe doesn't have a .deb
22:31<twb>Good thing they don't
22:31<twb>Otherwise people might use it
22:31<drakeman>abrotman, in adobe site you can download a deb for flashplugin...
22:31<abrotman>twb: i'd be okay if they had an apt source .. it'd probably be way easier to manage for tons of people
22:31<abrotman>drakeman: since when?
22:31<twb>"can has deb" is not the same as "can has Debian's rigorous Q/A"
22:31<drakeman>i downloade it yesterday
22:31<drakeman>but didint install it.
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22:32<twb>For a case in point, see webmin's deb
22:32<abrotman>drakeman: yeah .. for Ubuntu ..
22:32<abrotman>drakeman: ubuntu is not debian
22:32<Jason>abrotman is right
22:32<drakeman>abrotman, yes, i know, exaclty, but newbies might confused when see a .deb file
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22:33<Jason>true drakeman
22:33<abrotman>drakeman: i'd imagine it installs .. but it's still not "for Debian"
22:33<Jason>that is the point why my deb didn't install
22:33*abrotman checks
22:33<Jason>right abrotman.
22:33<drakeman>abrotman, well, dont know if it works or install in debian
22:33<Jason>but at least abrotman helped me earlier
22:33<ml|>Jason: always use aptitude first
22:33<Jason>I use it always
22:34<craigevil>drakeman: they do just look at or at least one person a week manages to screw things up trying to install it
22:34<Jason>but I am afraid it don't find a package
22:34<drakeman>craigevil, hehehe
22:34<Jason>true craig
22:35<craigevil>Jason: unless you need some weird off the wall package pretty much everything you need is in debian
22:35<ml|>and read/check before downloading deb's usually it's in repos
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22:35<craigevil>in 5 yrs of running debian i have 2 packages that i grabbed from the web opera and skype and even both of those have a repo these days
22:35<abrotman>oh jeez .. yeah it would work .. it's messy but it would work
22:35<abrotman>in my 30 second look anyways
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22:37<Jason>I wonder if there is a manual for Debian
22:37<dpkg>Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>.
22:37<abrotman>oh ffs ...
22:38<ml|>Jason: so if anybody tells you to install a deb file check if available in repos and even then ask questions
22:38<ml|>dpkg: tell Jason about reference
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22:39*Jason hugs dpkg
22:39<ml|>Jason: you can have it locally too
22:39<abrotman>!tell Jason about grounding
22:39*Jason gives dpkg a bag of kisses also!
22:40<ml|>aptitude install debian-reference
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22:41<ml|>then in a terminal just type debian-reference and watch the magic happen
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22:41<Jason>a lot easier
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22:41<ml|>Jason: know how to use dpkg ?/
22:41<Jason>now I can able to study
22:41<Jason>I kind of do
22:42<ml|>want more info?
22:42<craigevil>apt-dpkg-ref - APT, Dpkg Quick Reference sheet is a nice cheat sheet
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22:43<ml|>dpkg: tell Jason about dpkgbot
22:43<ml|>dpkg: tell Jason about selftell
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22:44<ml|>there is also a quick reference you can install
22:45<Jason>dpkg is so.... funny
22:45<dpkg>wish i knew, Jason
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22:45<Jason>dpkg is so funny
22:45<dpkg>no idea, Jason
22:45<Jason>I type something explict to dpkg and he is so funny
22:46<ml|>yeah if dpkg doesn't knoq he wikk slap you around
22:46<ml|>hah will*
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22:47<Jason>dpkg: telling yourself: i heard future is bright
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22:47<ml|>craigevil: is that the same as debian-refcard?
22:47<Jason>dpkg: No, jason, I won't. (target invalid?)
22:47<dpkg>no idea, Jason
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22:47<Jason>lol silly bot
22:47<craigevil>no it just shows apt/dpkg commands
22:48<Jason>dpkg you do have a idea.
22:48<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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22:48<abrotman>please don't play with the bot in the channel
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22:48<ml|>Jason: for debian reference card install debian-refcard
22:48<Jason>anyways. hm. I'll look on the manual now.
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22:49<abrotman>please use aptitude
22:49<ml|>dpkg: tell Jason about aptitude
22:49<ml|>dpkg: tell Jason about why aptitude
22:49*locsmif loves apt-get
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22:50<Chrono>I had installed lenny on My Desktop. without Swap. Now i have done a swap partition. Dow to make my Debian Use it?
22:50<ml|>Jason: debian reference card is a pdf file do you have a pdf reader?
22:51<Jason>adobe reader ok?
22:51<Jason>or whatever
22:51<ml|>if you want and have dmm in sources.list
22:52<ml|>do apt-cache search pdf
22:52<Jason>I feel I should use the other type of pdf reader anyways
22:52<ml|>i like epdfview
22:52<ml|>you on gnome?
22:52<craigevil>i use evince works perfectly with my 20k ebooks
22:52<ml|>or what craigevil just said
22:52<abrotman>evince and xpdf are usually enough
22:53<Jason>I'll use xpdf
22:53<Chrono>About swap
22:53<ml|>epdfview is like evince but without gnome depends
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22:53<Jason>done installed
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22:55<ml|>open the ref card you installed with it and print it out and keep it handy till you remember most commands
22:55<Jason>yes that is what I need
22:55<Jason>but how... do I open it?
22:55<Chrono>Hello Guys, i use Debian Lenny amd64. I Have installed a Desktop without swap. How to make debian use this swap default?
22:55<gsimmons>Chrono: man swapon, reference in /etc/fstab. See the swap example in /usr/share/doc/mount/examples/fstab .
22:56<Chrono>i have to swapon everytime i turn on my Desktop?
22:57<ml|>Jason: and this
22:59<ml|>Jason: look for it in /usr/share/doc/ maybe with the name debian-refcard , but don't fully know i don't have that installed
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23:00<Jason>it's ok
23:01<Jason>I'm getting sleepy
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23:05<Chrono>ok, i have done swapon /dev/hda2 and it worked. But Debian will swapon it everytime i boot?
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23:06<Red_Maw>!internal mouse
23:06<Red_Maw>is there a way to disable the touchpad in a laptop (in debian ofc)?
23:07<ml|>Chrono: need to add that to /etc/fstab like ... /dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0
23:07<SQlvpapir>Red_Maw: remove the module?
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23:08<Red_Maw>what module would I be looking for? sorry I'm very new to linux
23:08<SQlvpapir>check lsmod
23:08<Red_Maw>alright, thanks
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23:10<Chrono>ok, thanks guys!
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23:12<Red_Maw>you think I could just comment out proper section in xorg?
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23:19<n3cro>if i am going to set a server to be viewed publicly, do i also have to install bind?
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23:22<n3cro>anyone awake?
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23:36<SuperMiguel>when i run top it says that its using about 95% of my memory is there a way to know which program is using all my memory?
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23:44<craigevil>memory is suposed to be used, top shows what processes are using the most ram, or use htop
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23:51<drakeman>craigevil, if htop shows 3.5 of memory usage, is 3.5% of all the ram? or is in mb, or byteS?
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23:52<craigevil>in the MEM% column?
23:52<drakeman>craigevil, 3.5 is the % of all available memory, or 3.5mb, or 30.5mb?
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23:52<craigevil>i think its a percent of total ram that process is using
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23:53<ml|>what craigevil said :)
23:54<craigevil>91m 20m S 2 18.6 3:15.55 firefox-bin < iceweasel is using 91MBs of my 493.5MB
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23:54<drakeman>craigevil, you get that line from ps command?
23:56<craigevil>thats from top
23:56<drakeman>ohh, ok
23:56<craigevil>or from ps- aux > 18.7 256048 94840 ? Sl 22:39 3:23 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a iceweasel
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23:57<drakeman>craigevil, ok. i get it, thanks.
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