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00:15<Nemoder>How do I get exim to authenticate with my ISP's POP3 server? I created an entry in /etc/exim4/passwd.client but it isn't using it.
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00:19<drakeman>good evening!
00:19<git-hi9h>i used to configure exim with dpkg-reconfigure exim--- havent tried lately
00:20<Nemoder>git-hi9h: yes I've done that initially, set it up as smarthost
00:20<Nemoder>and it does try to connect but it doesn't try to authenticate
00:22<ml|>drakeman: wb
00:22<git-hi9h>i have not played with exim since debian 2.0 - sorry - only thing i use it for nowadays is system mail
00:23<Nemoder>I could try to switch to postfix but since exim is the default in debian I would like to know how to use it
00:23<drakeman>ml|, wb? hehe
00:23<drakeman>ml|, hello!
00:24<ml|>drakeman: #debian-offtopic
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00:25<drakeman>hey guys, a simple question, if im doing aj aptitude safe-upgrade, it wants to modify the file /etc/services and it ask me if i want to preserve my actual file (recommended) or install the new debian mantainers version? what is the best choice in that case?
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00:26<Nemoder>drakeman: unless you have modified it yourself i would use the new version
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00:26<drakeman>Nemoder, i didnt modify the file but dont know if i have installed mmm ssh, a software like vnc called nomachine i dont know if when i replaced the file im going to loose my access, but manually i didnt modified that file
00:27<ml|>drakeman: i think it is always best to install new versions, but only if you backup your system
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00:29<ml|>because you might forget if you modified it, and i think but not sure, it might make a backup of old version when installing new version?
00:29<ml|>backups are the way to go ;)
00:29<drakeman>ml|, thanks, i going to save a copy of that file
00:30<drakeman>and install the newone
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00:30<ml|>drakeman: do you have a backup solution?
00:31<drakeman>ml|, no, for a backup i only make a copy of the file and i save it for example /etc/services to /etc/services.last
00:31<drakeman>:D, if i have problem, just rename the .last to services.
00:32<ml|>drakeman: ok, but i mean in general like your system / /home etc..
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00:35<drakeman>ml|, no, didnt have any, i dont even have a backup, i tried with a important folder to me make a bash to put all the files into tar. but when i run the update to increment the file with the changes, didnt work, i have to read a little more about the backups with tar.
00:37<Nemoder>rsnapshot is a great backup tool
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00:38<ml|>drakeman: tar backups are ok, but not easy to update, if you have an extra hard drive with atleast same size, as main one i would use rsnapshot
00:38<ml|>Nemoder: right :)
00:38<drakeman>ml|, the only disk i have is another one with windows Vista, hehe.. is a little bigger.
00:38<drakeman>debian disk =160gb ------ vista disk ---> 250gb
00:39<ml|>in the same machine
00:39<drakeman>yes, i have a dual boot.
00:39<ml|>nice :)
00:39<drakeman>vista for my mom and sister.
00:39<drakeman>debian for me.
00:39<drakeman>so, i can save the backup in the ntfs drive? or is not recommended?
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00:39<ml|>does linux see the vista drive? and can you use 160gb for your use?
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00:40<ml|>and is the vista drive on big drive?
00:40<drakeman>ml|, yes, i have the vista drive always mounted in my linux, and the 160gb disk is all for my debian :D
00:40<drakeman>ml|, but i need backup of all hdd? like a clone image? or just important folders?
00:41<ml|>so it's one hard drive with linux and vista?
00:41<drakeman>two disk, 1 for vista, 1 for linux.
00:41<arw_super_cow>ml|: you mus install ntfs-3g
00:41<drakeman>arndot, already installed here :D i can copy and write in my vista disk from linux
00:41<ml|>arw_super_cow: heh, not me
00:42<arw_super_cow>apt-get install ntfs-3g , imho
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00:43<ml|>drakeman: ok, i would boot into vista and resize the size of that hdd to 85gb and use the rest as ext3 and use that for backups with rsnapshot
00:44<ml|>85gb be enough for you mon?
00:44<Nemoder>drakeman: you may run into issues backing up to ntfs as it won't keep file ownership and permissions
00:44<drakeman>hehe, ml| dont knwo she use is for photooshop, coreldraw to make arts for her work :D
00:44<drakeman>Nemoder, ohh, i see, thanks.. for that info
00:45<drakeman>ml|, i thinkg i just want backups for my documents folder, :D the others things can be reinstalled :D
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00:45<ml|>drakeman: why i suggest the above, how much space is she using now? but 85gb should be enough for them no?
00:46<drakeman>ml|, mm i have to check that, didnt know how much space is she using, i didnt use that disk xD but i can check it
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00:47<ml|>drakeman: well having a backup of / is good incase you make a mistake and screw your system up, no need to do a full reinstall of apps etc... , basically your be back sooner with backups
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00:48<Jason1>how do I install a tar..gz file?
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00:49<OpenSourceBrad>hmm, firsly are you sure... yeah i was going to say
00:49<Nemoder>Jason1: first check to see if there is a package available for it elsewhere
00:49<ml|>drakeman: but atleast backup /home /etc and a few others maybe, but it's up to you
00:49<OpenSourceBrad>whats the program, =)
00:49<Jason1>it's Stepmania.
00:50<drakeman>ml|, ok, i have to see how much space is taking my /
00:50<ml|>check with aptitude search
00:50<ml|>or aptitude show
00:51<OpenSourceBrad>After the tar.gz file has downloaded, you can extract the StepMania-3.9 folder anywhere (I use the desktop because I am lazy). You may also want to rename it since you will be typing it into the terminal a few times and it get's annoying when you miss a capital or dash.
00:51<Jason1>I can do is copy and paste.... >.>
00:51<ml|>and here
00:51<OpenSourceBrad>Chances are, right now if you double click the stepmania icon in the folder, nothing will happen. In this case, open a terminal and use the command-
00:51<OpenSourceBrad>cd /home/username/Desktop/StepMania-3.9
00:51<OpenSourceBrad>(This is if you extracted to the desktop and didn't rename the folder, replace "username" with your own login name)
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00:52<drakeman>ml|, my dev/sda1 is taking 35gb of 160
00:52<OpenSourceBrad>-to target the folder that stepmania is installed in, then use the command-
00:52<OpenSourceBrad>-to try to run the program. If you are using a new, fresh install, most likely the program will not open and you will get some message about missing libraries or something like that.
00:52<ml|>drakeman: don't have a seprate partition for home?
00:53<drakeman>ml|, no :( newbie instalation, all is in one partition
00:53<OpenSourceBrad>TIP: In this situation, getlibs is a great utility for installing the needed libraries to run stepmania. You can either install the program by using the command-
00:53<OpenSourceBrad>sudo apt-get install getlibs
00:53<OpenSourceBrad>-or if that doesn't work you can manually install it from here
00:53<OpenSourceBrad>After installing getlibs, go back to your terminal (or open a new one if you closed it and navigate to the stepmania folder) and run the command-
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00:53<ml|>Jason1: read the README file in that tar ball
00:54<Jason1>I already did
00:54<drakeman>ml|, i know i should have /home in another partitiion, but now i cannot do anything, i need to reinstall all again and i dont want to do that :(
00:54<Jason1>it said nothing
00:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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00:55<ml|>drakeman: well if you can get that space from other hdd you can make a backup and then restore without reinstalling
00:56<ml|>with seperate /home
00:56<OpenSourceBrad>:V yay paste
00:56<drakeman>ml|, maybe an external disk :D
00:57<drakeman>ml|, maybe if i get an external usb disk to backups,
00:58<ml|>ok, that can work too, but if you have space inside the case and a free connector better internally
00:58<ml|>to another hdd i mean
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00:58<drakeman>ml|, no, dont have space, i have another disk before and my motherboard becomes little crazy, hehee. it works fine with 2 :D
00:59<drakeman>ml|, so i thing for me is better and external hard disk.
00:59<ml|>ok, have one already?
00:59<drakeman>ml|, i have to buy it :D
01:00<Jason1>it won't let me install getlibs
01:00<ml|>well. in that case speak with your mom first the above would be better and only cost you time ;)
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01:01<drakeman>ml|, yes, how much space i need in the vista disk aprox? like 50 gb? 80?
01:02<Jason1>how do I install getlibs?
01:02<ml|>drakeman: up to you but i would use 160gb for linux backups
01:02<ml|>so 85gb for vista
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01:02<drakeman>ml|, because you are right, if i want my home in another partition is better to save a backup i have many applications that i dont want to install it again, hehe, monts of work :D
01:03<Jason1>can I suggest a better tip?
01:03<Jason1>get 2 harddrive?
01:03<Jason1>use 1 for linux 1 for vista
01:04<drakeman>Jason1, actually i have 2 hardisks, 1 for vista, 1 for linux
01:04<drakeman>Jason1, i need a third one for backups, but i dont wanna spend money :D
01:04<jm_>you want to steal it?
01:04<ml|>drakeman: also tell your mom to buy and external for her backups, if you can or you can use clozilla and backup her docs to linux backup partition
01:04<drakeman>jm_, good idea:d
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01:04<Jason1>I had to replace my motherboard, cpu, and cpu fan
01:05<drakeman>ml|, i thing is easier for my, reinstall my windwos that reinstall windows, mm im going to think about, thanks for the tips :D
01:06<ml|>drakeman: installing windows twice??^^
01:06<Jason1>oh yeah and buy 2 harddrives also
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01:06<drakeman>ml|, no, reinstall the windwos to in the vista disk,
01:06<drakeman>ml|, and give less space for vista, and make another partition in that disk for linux ;D
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01:07<ml|>ok. like i suggested before?
01:07<drakeman>ml|, yes
01:07<ml|>ok. cool think it over backups are important!
01:07<ml|>Jason1: we are talking about backups
01:08<drakeman>ml|, yes... you have right..
01:08<drakeman>well, im going to think about it, thanks.
01:08<ml|>drakeman: also having a seperate /home is much better
01:08<drakeman>ml|, yes..
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01:08<drakeman>well good night guys, thanks..... i have work tomorrow, waking up at 4.30am, and is 12:08 am
01:08<drakeman>see you!
01:08*ml| loves rsnashot :)
01:09<ml|>good night
01:09<drakeman>ml|, going to read about rsnapshot too
01:09<Jason1>I need ot learn harder on installing .deb.
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01:09<drakeman>Jason1, is easy
01:09<drakeman>Jason1, quite easy most of the time
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01:10<Jason1>how do I install Stepmania.tar.gz?
01:10<Jason1>without struggling
01:10<ml|>you don't
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01:10<tarzeau>Jason1: install the debian package of it?
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01:10<ml|>tarzeau: i don't think it's in the repos
01:10<Jason1>it don't have the deb.
01:10<tarzeau>Jason1: if it doesn't exist, it's usually tar xzf the.tar.gz; cd directory; ./configure; make; make install otherwise see the README/INSTALL files
01:10<ml|>i checked
01:11<Jason1>told ya
01:11<Jason1>let me try your way
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01:12<Jason1>tar: StepMania-3.9a-linux.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
01:12<Jason1>tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
01:12<Jason1>tar: Child returned status 2
01:12<Jason1>tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
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01:13<Jason1>never mind then
01:13<Jason1>wished there is a simple way
01:13<tarzeau>Jason1: it's simple. you just did something wrong
01:13<Jason1>I typed what you told me
01:14<tarzeau>Jason1: you mistyped the name of the tarball, if you could read carefully, you'd notice yourself
01:14<Jason1>it won't let me
01:14<tarzeau>Jason1: paste what you typed
01:14<Jason1>I didn't mistype
01:14<tarzeau>yes you did
01:14<cahoot>wrong dir?
01:14<tarzeau>02:22 < Jason1> tar: StepMania-3.9a-linux.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
01:14<ml|>Jason1: are you in the right dir?
01:14<Jason1>I copied the filename
01:14<Jason1>and pasted
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01:14<tarzeau>but it's your fault
01:14<tarzeau>not the one of me or tar
01:14<tarzeau>this clearly is a user problem
01:14<Jason1>I TYPED IT correctly!
01:15<tarzeau>maybe you did something else wrong
01:15<tarzeau>but it's YOU who is doing it wrong
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01:15<Jason1>don't blame it ot me.
01:15<Jason1>I'm a newbie.
01:15<tarzeau>your fault anyways
01:15<ml|>Jason1: tar xvf name-of-tarball.tar.gz
01:15<tarzeau>ml|: no xzf
01:15<Jason1>that is what I already did
01:15<jm_>ahh so because you are a newbie it's not your fault? now that's a great way of dealing with problems
01:16<tarzeau>ml|: xvf won't work if it's gzipped
01:16<ml|>tarzeau: right oops
01:16<tarzeau>Jason1: well that is not what i told you, and the problem wasn't the options, but that tar didn't find the file
01:16<Nemoder>actually tar will detect compression method now, don't need to specify
01:16<ml|>Nemoder: teah?
01:17<Nemoder>not sure as of which version but mine does :)
01:17<tarzeau>Nemoder: wow cool. 20 years too late :)
01:17<ml|>haha, yeah
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01:17<ml|>Nemoder: what version are you using?
01:18<jm_>just use aunpack :)
01:18<ml|>same here :)
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01:19<Jason1>tar: StepMania-3.9a-linux.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
01:19<Jason1>same error
01:19<Jason1>I told you
01:19<cahoot>ls *gz?
01:19<tarzeau>Jason1: and this is a user problem
01:20<Jason1>I typed it cortrectly.
01:20<tarzeau>did you download with mozilla/firefox/iceweasel software?
01:20<ml|>Jason1: you are using older tar on lenny
01:20<tarzeau>they sometimes remove the gz part and it's still gz. try file StepM*
01:20<tarzeau>although that's a problem of crap software (mozilla), it's still the users fault
01:20<Jason1>why not a command that will find the filename and it will autodetect and install in a easy way?
01:21<ml|>Jason1: not with tarballs
01:21<tarzeau>Jason1: well there's the find command, but it can take hours to find a file among 20000000 files...
01:21<jm_>there is, it's called completion or filename generation in shell
01:21<tarzeau>Jason1: and yes such filesystems exist on single computers
01:21<Jason1>never mind
01:22<ml|>oh yes missed the filename part oops
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01:22<tarzeau>Jason1: just get a playstation 2 and dance-dance-revolution
01:22<Jason1>I have the ps1 and old DDR.
01:22<tarzeau>Jason1: the singstar clone on pc sucks too
01:22<ml|>Jason1: do you know about tab completion?
01:22<tarzeau>also all bomberman clones for linux suck. i doubt stepmania is any different
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01:23<ml|>Jason1: s hit tab
01:23<ml|>to complete the name
01:23<Jason1>tar xfv name.tar.gz?
01:23<Jason1>by tab? right?
01:23<ml|>the name of the tarball you downloaded
01:23<ml|>like s <tab>
01:24<Jason1>guess I can do downloading the source and do ./make
01:24<Jason1>and it will work
01:24<tarzeau>Jason1: if you do it right, it should work, yes
01:24<tarzeau>Jason1: you'll need all libraries the software needs to build
01:24<tarzeau>Jason1: and it's make, not ./make
01:24<Jason1>guess it is time for me ot study Linux manual
01:25<ml|>Jason1: you haven't read the stuff i suggested?
01:25<Jason1>I did
01:25<Jason1>just trying to figure out
01:25<ml|>already it's a lot of stuff
01:26<Jason1>I'd print the debian linux manual now
01:26<Jason1>then read it manually.
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01:26<ml|>you can debian-reference and read in your browser
01:27<ml|>dpkg: tell Jason1 about grounding
01:27<ml|>dpkg: tell Jason1 about unix lessons
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01:30<Jason1>good night
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02:39<jidm>hi. i need an alarm clock on my debian testing
02:39<jidm>i installed alarm-clock package which is good, but want to know if there is any way i can play rhythmbox music in a certain time
02:40<jidm>is there a play/stop command line for rhythmbox? thanks
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02:41<jm_>jidm: check rhythmbox-client
02:43<jidm>jm_ i tried with rhythmbox-client --play, but it returns: (rhythmbox-client:19800): Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
02:44<jidm>sorry for pasting that. though it was little shorter
02:44<jm_>jidm: is rhythmbox itself running?
02:44<jidm>jm_ yes, it is open but stopped
02:45<jidm>jm_ should i close it?
02:46<jidm>the same if i close it
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02:49<southernc>anybody know how to install kde 4.2.2 ive added experimental repo and tried aptitude -t experimental install but it says package not found
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02:49<jm_>jidm: do you have dbus running?
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02:49<craigevil>southernc: 4.2.2 is in sid and maybe testing
02:50<southernc>i think i just read a post by you lol
02:50<southernc>so ...
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02:50<jidm>jm_ i actually found my mistake :( i was trying the command as root
02:51<jm_>jidm: ahh OK
02:51<jidm>jm_ im ashamed for not noticing it. thanks for your help. i think its obvious i need to sleep :)
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02:51<craigevil>southernc: using testing repo with aptitude -t testing install kde-minimal should work if not your best bet is to ask in #debian-kde
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02:52<southernc>kk thanks
02:52<ml|>judd versions kde-minimal
02:52<judd>ml|: kde-minimal -- sid: 5:50 squeeze: 5:50
02:52<ml|>same for standard and full
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02:53<craigevil>i already knew it was there but i dont know if it works :) all of the depends may not be there
02:53<jerrybowling>Hello all...
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02:55<EEEBull>Q about chrunchbang...
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02:55<EEEBull>How to disable touch pad clicking?
02:55<ml|>#crunchbag on freenode
02:56<jm_>EEEBull: try man synclient
02:58<EEEBull>will do. i am using cruncheee and hate the touchclcik... i have clumbsy thumbs
02:58<jm_>if you're using synaptics driver that lets you change settings on the fly, otherwise you can do it in x config file
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02:58<craigevil>EEEBull: checkout touchfreeze it disables it when your typing
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02:59<EEEBull>I love the ubuntu experience!!! everyone is always helpful!
02:59<jm_>this isn't for ubuntu
03:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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03:00<EEEBull>well... thanks.... i am new to xchat
03:01<uday>Hi, all
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03:02<uday>please help
03:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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03:11<craigevil>does anyone know how you can get alt+F2 to work in lxde?
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03:19<Nemoder>How do I get exim to authenticate with my ISP's smtp server? I created an entry in /etc/exim4/passwd.client but it isn't using it.
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03:24<uday> i'm using debian 5, i'm new to programming C in linux; wrote a program; gcc says -- stdio.h:no such file or directory;;; can you pl help
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04:42<Kano>hi, why is kdesu broken after dhcp3 update?
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04:47<azeem>Kano: are you talking about unstable?
04:47<Kano>last security update
04:47<azeem>file a bug then
04:47<SQlvpapir>Kano: I dont know if this is related, but my fingerprint reader stopped working after that too
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05:06<Kano>SQlvpapir: it seems to work when i add
05:06<Kano>Defaults targetpw
05:06<Kano>with visudo
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05:10<Kano>well it worked once ;)
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05:20<yurikoles>why i cannot install buil-dep for gcc-4.3 or 4.4?
05:20<azeem>yurikoles: nobody knows until you pastebin the error message
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05:21<dpkg>Most of us are not psychic, and require information in a tangible form.
05:21<yurikoles>try to do so
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05:40<Prathibha>I am using debian lenny. The system quits expectedly often. How to solve this?
05:40<jm_>what does "system quits" mean?
05:41<Prathibha>jm_, logout
05:41<jm_>Prathibha: in X?
05:41<Prathibha>jm_, yes
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05:42<jm_>Prathibha: check ~/.xsession-errors on a tty iimediately after that happens
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05:46<Prathibha>jm_, ok.
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06:03<dpkg>well, start is what you have to press to stop in Windows
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06:05<craigevil>!tell Quizbuyanet about selftell
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06:12<fal>hi there, which package allows me to play .mp3 files in rhythmbox please?
06:13<fal>gstreamer plugins really bad installed
06:13<fal>deb lenny
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06:18<craigevil>fal: try gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
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06:21<fal>craigevil: package installed but still no change, do I have to reboot system or just rhythmbox?
06:22<craigevil>no reboot might have to restart rhythmbox
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06:28<debianit3>Hi, does any boddy know why Squeeze is still using 2.6.26 kernel?
06:29<Tom>Hi. I'm running unstable and updated about 24 hours ago. My machine boots but avahi and HAL fail to start (HALs fail message said dbus may not have been started). I've looked on bugs.d.o/{avahi,hal,dbus} but nothing seems relevant. That HAL isn't running means I don't have input device support, so debugging is difficult.
06:29<Tom>Does anybody know of this problem, or of a solution?
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06:30<koollman>Tom: first, are you sure dbus is running ?
06:30<craigevil>Tom: check the BTS dbus had a bug that apt-listbugs was showing for me i put it on hold
06:30<Tom>I don't know. How can I check (note my keyboard doesn't work)?
06:31<Tom>craigevil: I was using the web's BTS. Not apt-listbugs.
06:31<jm_>as a last resort you can configure X the old way so you don't need HAL crap
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06:32<beholder83>has anyone here installed KDE4 on Lenny? I've installed it, works fine apart from jagged fonts. Just wondering if there's another package that needs to be installed to fix this
06:32<Tom>jm_: I'll do that. Thanks.
06:33<hever>Do you know a tool to listen on a unix domain socket? (I need this in a shell script)
06:33<craigevil>Option "AllowEmptyInput" "0" and Option "AutoAddDevices" "0" in your xorg.conf should let you boot
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06:35<koollman>hever: socat should be able to do what you want
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06:35<craigevil> apt-listbugs has saved my butt many times when upgrading sid
06:35<Tom>craigevil: Thanks.
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07:38<CraigGB>hi, i was about to install exaile in gnome, however it wants to remove 'fam', isn't fam pretty important in gnome?
07:38<tomv>hi. is there something to know when trying to run KVM guests with more than 4GB memory? I seem to only get 3.6 or so from the 6.5 I put into the config.
07:39<tomv>(that is on lenny with debian kernel from 2.6.29)
07:40<craigevil>CraigGB: is it wanting to install gamin in place of fam?
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07:41<CraigGB>craigevil: yeah it does, is gamin another file alteration monitor?
07:41<craigevil>yes pretty much the same thing
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07:42<CraigGB>craigevil: thanks, thats awesome, is there any setup required or it handled automatically, i've come from gentoo but it seems a lot of services etc are automatically handled in debian
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07:43<craigevil>no gamin just takes the place of fam
07:43<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like bigmem.
07:45<tomv>it's on amd64...
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07:45<CraigGB>craigevil: okay thanks for your help :), i seem to making this more difficult for myself then is necessary treating it like gentoo
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08:03<andrey>hello! I'm just installed HPLIP driver from stable repository for HP DeskJet 5443....And printer printing some symbols, but not required text...
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08:29<uday>I use lenny at college and i'm new to C programming in linux
08:29<uday>still i wrote a program in vi
08:29<uday>gcc error is
08:29<uday>stdio.h:no such file or directory
08:30<uday>can anyone help?
08:30<kmap>uday: sudo apt-get install build-essential
08:30<jm_>!b-e uday
08:30<dpkg>uday: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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08:33<uday>thanks kmap/dpkg !b-e
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09:13<drakeman>iwan_aj, hi!
09:14<hever>Can I get a job in the foreground if I only know its pid ? I started it on another terminal and shut it down later... now I want the output on my current terminal
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09:16<azeem>hever: use screen next time
09:18<jm_>hever: retty might work
09:18<jm_>if you're on the right architecture that is
09:18<jm_>or gdb trickery
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09:19<Lantizia>When using sid there is only one repo to use isn't there?! the normal one with main contrib and non-free... no security, no volatile, no backports, no any thing else? right?
09:19<olet>Lantizia: right
09:19<Lantizia>and if I'm on squeeze I just need to change squeeze to lenny then dist-upgrade?
09:19<Lantizia>*sorry squeeze to sid
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09:25<Lantizia>olet, well we're off! it's upgrading... it moans (as ever) about xserver drivers but boo hoo who cares... and a lxde virtual package... so no biggies! :D
09:27<chealer>Lantizia: sid is not normally used as a default release, except sometimes by people who know Debian well
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09:31<kapal>Im experiencing problems using Debian 5 Lenny on Virtualbox 3.02 (host Debian 5 Lenny). With no reason I get IO errors, when rebooted, problem disappears, but still hangs the virtual machine. Any clue apprecieated...
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09:31<kapal>Perhaps kernel issue?
09:33<tzafrir_laptop>kapal, perhaps. Could you be more specific about those errors?
09:37<Lantizia>kapal, I've gotten precisely the same
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09:41<uday>I use lenny. Can i use more than one set of keyboard-monitor with a single machine with all users using different X sessions !! any views/comments/help !!
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09:49<yurikoles>i fail to isntall nvidia-glx 185.18.14 from ubuntu
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09:51<kapal>Lantizia: what version of virtualbox have you used? maybe thats the problem, i've long used virtualbox 2.x and didn't have such issues...
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09:51<Lantizia>this is 3.0
09:51<Lantizia>3.0.2 to be exact I think
09:52<yurikoles>is there something like coWindws?
09:52<kapal>Lantizia: same here... the worst is, that there is no web reference for this issue (at least i cannot find it)
09:53<Lantizia>kapal, all I can tell you is I got fed up... swapped my host out for jaunty... and now it's fine
09:53<yurikoles>i wanna run chkdsk and defragger for my ntfs partitions
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09:54<Lantizia>yurikoles, in all honestly you'd be better making a BartPE bootable disc
09:54<kapal>Lantizia: so I guess the kernel changed for you, the guest is still debian lenny working?
09:54<Lantizia>yurikoles, ntfs support has come a long way in linux... but defrag? i don't think it can do that.
09:54<uday> I use lenny. Can i use more than one set of keyboard-monitor with a single machine with all users using different X sessions !! any views/comments/help !!
09:54<Lantizia>kapal, the guest was lenny yes... and since then I've also installed squeeze
09:55<kapal>Lantizia: so maybe it's a host-kernel issue then, if not I don't know what could be wrong
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09:56<kapal>Lantizia: hate such bug
09:56<Lantizia>yup it's a bitch
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09:58<kapal>Lantizia: anyways, thanks for help... I'll try to work it out other way.
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10:01<jeremiah2>What is the difference between Debian Package Format 1.0 and 2.0?
10:02<kapal>Lantizia: one more thing, what disk type for virtual machine have you used (ata/sata), when you got the errors ?
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10:02<Lantizia>default, it was IDE
10:02*arw hello people
10:03<jeremiah2>How do you know we're people?
10:03<Lantizia>I'm a 4 foot tall bottle of Dr. Pepper
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10:04<jeremiah2>I'm a Fig newton of your imagination.
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10:17<chealer>jeremiah2: did you see man deb?
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10:34<Guest1302>i need some help whith wpa setup
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10:36<Lantizia>Hey I just upgraded to sid... and for some reason my xorg.conf is empty and nothing happens when I run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
10:36<Lantizia>any tips?!
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10:38<arw_super_cow>Guest1302: perhaps this link could be useful
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10:45<dimedo>can anyone tell me why my i5300 wifi adapter has a 32 byte HWaddr address shown in ifconfig, shouldn't that be 12 byte??
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10:47<koollman>dimedo: it should be 6 bytes, represented as 12 hexadecimal symbols
10:47<koollman>dimedo: what does it looks like ?
10:48<Sebastian_>Hi, I'm running Lenny and am trying to build Tor from source. I receive three libmcrypt warnings that aren't present on other systems. is the error. I've searched for the bug, but only found a reference to the same problem on Ubuntu. The referenced documentation doesn't really help me. Is there an easy way to fix those warnings?
10:48<dimedo>koolman: it looks like this: 00-12-34-56-78-90-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
10:50<koollman>dimedo: ah. well, the beginning could be a mac adress
10:52<koollman>except of course, it's far from 'unique' or correct ;)
10:52<koollman>might be some card with 'software mac' address
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11:10<chealer>Sebastian_: if you don't mind, why are you trying to build tor?
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11:13<Sebastian_>chealer: I'm writing patches for it :-)
11:13<firefox>so I got my dual monitors up and running... but I noticed that the second monitor is laggy. Is this hardware or pebkac?
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11:15<kapal>firefox: what graphics card do you have?
11:16<kapal>firefox: nvidia, ati, intel based (other?)?
11:16<yurikoles>i fail to isntall nvidia-glx 185.18.14 from ubuntu
11:16<cheal>how could I disable my laptop's keyboard? my main keyboard is USB
11:16<cheal>yurikoles: you alerady wrote that
11:16<yurikoles>i know
11:16<yurikoles>and 0 responses
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11:19<firefox>kapal, its an intel. I already set the 2048x2048 limit. I am using them in (1024x768) and (1024x768-left)
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11:20<kapal>i guess it could be hardware issue afaik intel drivers are well written
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11:23<yurikoles>>intel drivers are well written
11:23<yurikoles>i lol'd
11:23<Zathraz>Hi. As root one can become an other user with "su - otheruser". Now I am user A and want to become user B without a password. Practically: I have a user which runs a script and that script start another script. The later needs to run as user postgres. Anyway I can do this? Or can I simply use sudo to do this (will all things spanned in a script which is sudo-ed run as that user too?) ?
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11:27<bzed>Zathraz: sudo :)
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11:35<kop>Zathraz : There's also the setuid and setgid bits, which exist to do what you're doing.
11:36<Zathraz>currently @war with sudo.
11:36<Zathraz>still asks for pwd :-(
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11:38<kop>Zathraz : info coreutils "file permissions" "mode structure"
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11:41<Zathraz>ty. kop
11:41<kop>Zathraz : It's asks for the user's own password. Not the password of the user you are becoming.
11:41<Zathraz>meanwhile, this is my sudo setup which fails :-(
11:42<Zathraz>kop, I do not want user input as it should run as a scheduled script
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11:42<kop>Zathraz : What are you trying to do?
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11:42<Zathraz>I am using Bacula as backup tool under Debian. The daemons run as user Bacula.
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11:43<kop>Zathraz : and?
11:43<Zathraz>As an administrative job I need Bacula to run an external script which dumps for instance postgres DBs
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11:43<Zathraz>I have a set of script which do this fine while being root and becoming user postgres through "su - postgres"
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11:44<Zathraz>now I need it to work too while being user Bacula
11:44<kop>Zathraz : Either setuid or run your root script to dump the db and have it complete before the backup starts.
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11:45<deadcat>anyone know that magnet device thing that wipes out hdd data/tapes/etc?
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11:46<kop>Zathraz : Or give backula all rights in your pg databases, or just have the backula script be the postgres database user using a ~/.pgpass file.
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11:47<kop>Zathraz : Simplest is using ~/.pgpass and psql -U postgres
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11:47<Zathraz>btw script stuff is on:
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11:48<Zathraz>kop. I think the latest suggestion is the way to go as the author of the scripts kind of suggests that too so it seems
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11:49<debianite>Hi, what im client is best to use with Debian?
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11:50<kop>debianite : I've hear of pidgen (sp?).
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11:51<debianite>kop: yes, but it doesn't have webcam suport.
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11:52<kop>Zathraz : I prefer:
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11:53<kop>Zathraz : You would have to modify it to use fifos though. That would be pretty simple.
11:53<sney>no one listens to zathras.
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11:54<Zathraz>sney. lol. but they do to zathraz luckily enough :-)
11:54<kop>Zathraz : Also I don't see the backula script as being able to preserve ownership information.
11:55<kop>Zathraz : I could be wrong.
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11:55<kop>debianite : There's another that begins with a "g". I forget.
11:55<Zathraz>kop. I am not stuck to fifos. Thanks for the script. But making backups is always a nice thing. However restoring might be equally important ;-)
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11:59<kop>Zathraz : I take it back, it does preserve ownership.
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12:00<Zathraz>thanks for checking
12:00<debianite>kop: what do you use?
12:01<kop>debianite : I don't.
12:01<kop>debianite : You want the one with voice and video and all that.
12:02<kop>debianite : Learn to search the repository.
12:02<gsimmons>yurikoles: WRT reportbug and GMail SMTP, see
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12:03<Zathraz>debianite: or search freshmeat/sourceforge etc and check of those apps that you like if they exists in the Debian repos.
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12:03<debianite>kop: "aptitude search im with voice and video and all that" ?
12:04<debianite>Zathraz: thanks, I just wanted to know your opinion.
12:05<sney>gnome-meeting has that sort of thing. jabber might as well?
12:05<Zathraz>or miranda or....
12:07<debianite>I'd like to use audio and video if possible but amsn sucks in the audio department...
12:08<debianite>any way, thanks guys.
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12:09<MacDadaPL>I have a problem with my Call of Duty dedicated linux server
12:10<MacDadaPL>i get this error:
12:10<MacDadaPL>"./cod_lnxded: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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12:11<MacDadaPL>i tried to install it (aptitude install libstdc++5), but it didnt change anything
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12:12<MacDadaPL>anyone know what's the problem
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12:16<drakeman>MacDadaPL, you need the debian package that contains that .so file
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12:16<drakeman>MacDadaPL, try to apt-file search
12:17<themill>dpkg, fix cheal's cat
12:17*dpkg takes cheal's cat to the vet for a "special" visit.
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12:19<Arrowmaster>"partman: /dev/mapper/XXXXXX-home is apparently in use by the system: will not make a filesystem here!" during installer, using debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso downloaded yesterday booting from usb stick, also using dmraid
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12:24<MacDadaPL>i tried "apt-file search" but it doesnt work...
12:24<cheal>give her a break, she was already spayed and declawed last week
12:25<cheal>MacDadaPL: Debian doesn't support Call of Duty
12:25<MacDadaPL>it does
12:25<MacDadaPL>it works on my old server
12:26<drakeman>MacDadaPL, what did you get with apt-file search?
12:26<sney>MacDadaPL: what chealer means is, we're clearly too busy in here to help with your game server problem, since it's 3rd party software and not *officially* supported
12:26<MacDadaPL>i bought a new machine and now i have this problem (is it possible that because of 64-bit processor?)
12:26<cheal>themill: though, if you'd know how to disable my laptop's keyboard, that could be cheaper
12:26<MacDadaPL>KASPAROV:~# apt-file search
12:26<MacDadaPL>-bash: apt-file: command not found
12:27<themill>dpkg: tell MacDadaPL about apt-file
12:27<MacDadaPL>KASPAROV:~# aptitude search
12:27<MacDadaPL>E: Nie uda?o si? uzyska? blokady /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Zasoby chwilowo niedost?pne)
12:27<MacDadaPL>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
12:27<drakeman>MacDadaPL, install aptitude install apt-file
12:27<cheal>MacDadaPL: as sney wrote... it may work, but it is not *supported*
12:27<sney> also has a very useful package search system
12:28<craigevil>libstdc++5: /usr/lib/
12:28<craigevil>libstdc++5: /usr/lib/
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12:28<drakeman>craigevil, you search it with apt-file?
12:28<craigevil>thast what the output was
12:29<MacDadaPL>i (probably) have it:
12:29<MacDadaPL>"KASPAROV:/usr/lib# ls | grep "libstdc"
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12:29<MacDadaPL>i was kicked for pasting (LOL)
12:30<cheal>MacDadaPL: the processor itself wouldn't cause that, though using a different Debian architecture might, maybe
12:31<MacDadaPL>i typed this: KASPAROV:/usr/lib# ls | grep "libstdc" and i see that i have and
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12:31<MacDadaPL>but i still get this problem: ./cod_lnxded: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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12:32<MacDadaPL>would it help if i copied these files from lib to the game folder?
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12:35<drakeman_>MacDadaPL, try to reinstalll the package libstdc++5
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12:37<hdon>i think i am going to switch back to debian. i don't like the ubuntu crowd as much as you guys.
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12:39<DennisTheTiger>I have a box running oldstable and I'm attempting to remove openssh-{server,client} in order to attempt to purge a rootkit that I seem to have been afflicted with. Unfortunately, I am unable to remove /etc/ssh and /etc/ssh2 - rm tells me 'permission denied'. Problem: I'm running the attempt to remove it as root, from a remote location. How do I remove these files when even root is unable to?
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12:41<olet>DennisTheTiger: nfs?
12:41<hdon>DennisTheTiger: i thought a rootkit was a kernel module
12:41<hdon>like the windows drivers that Sony BMG installed on consumer's MSWindows systems that could cover themselves up
12:41*hdon shrugs
12:41<DennisTheTiger>hdon, I think they recom piled ssh.
12:42<slush>hdon: no, rootkits in most cases not a kernel module
12:42<hdon>DennisTheTiger: you should boot under a different system -- like a livecd or something -- on the machine with direct access to the storage media
12:42<slush>ok, bad sentence
12:42<stew>DennisTheTiger: check "lsattr filename" to see if its got the immutable bit turned on
12:42<hdon>DennisTheTiger: and then, probably, verify the checksum of ... everything ... against the repo
12:43<DennisTheTiger>hdon, that's not a bad idea, except that I'm actually not at the data center, which is in Oakland CA - 800 miles from me in Seattle.
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12:43<hdon>DennisTheTiger: is that where the rootkit is? oakland data center?
12:43<DennisTheTiger>stew, no bits appear to be on.
12:43<DennisTheTiger>hdon, no, just on my box.
12:43<stew>DennisTheTiger: of course, you really should just be reinstlling the box from scratch
12:43<hdon>DennisTheTiger: but the files you want to remove... are in oakland...?
12:44<hdon>DennisTheTiger: so the files in the oakland data center represent the rootkit on your PC?
12:44<DennisTheTiger>hdon, no.
12:44<DennisTheTiger>I'm in Seattle, the problem is on a server in Oakland.
12:44<DennisTheTiger>I can go to the data center - if I have money.
12:45<DennisTheTiger>stew, any other ideas for ripping out those files?
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12:45<hdon>DennisTheTiger: are the files in use?
12:45<hdon>lsof|grep /etc/ssh
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12:45<DennisTheTiger>No results
12:45<DennisTheTiger>sshd is not running
12:46<DennisTheTiger>Error is "access denied", not file in use or some such
12:46<DennisTheTiger>See above.
12:46<stew>and you can remove files in use anyway
12:46<stew>DennisTheTiger: its really going to be the lsattr bits
12:46<DennisTheTiger>------------------ ssh/sshd_config
12:47<hdon>sshd is not running... on your PC or at the datacenter?
12:47<stew>DennisTheTiger: what about the directory itself
12:47<stew>hdon: why does it matter?
12:47<DennisTheTiger>hdon, that does not bear relevance here.
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12:47<hdon>stew: i'm just fundamentally confused about what his situation is. what does a rootkit on his PC have to do with the ssh config at a data center?
12:48<DennisTheTiger>hdon, there is NO root kit on the pc.
12:48<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: I missed half of what you said
12:48<Gekz>but can you log in as a single user
12:48<Gekz>or with a livecd?
12:48<hdon>DennisTheTiger: where is the rootkit?
12:48<Gekz>or at least, another kernel
12:48<hdon>Gekz: he does not have physical access to the machine with the storage media
12:48<DennisTheTiger>Gekz: Trying to remove files on a server 800 miles away, access denied despite being root. Ssupect rootkit.
12:48<valdyn>DennisTheTiger: you cannot remove files with rm that are protected with the immutable flag, "man chattr"
12:48<DennisTheTiger>hdon, for the thrd time, remote location.
12:49<hdon>DennisTheTiger: ahhh!
12:49<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: ok, is it a virtual machine, vserver or shared ?
12:49<stew>DennisTheTiger: what does "lsattr ssh" return?
12:49<stew>DennisTheTiger: what does "lsattr /etc/ssh" return?
12:49<DennisTheTiger>stew, returns the contents of /etc/ssh
12:49<DennisTheTiger>How do I show it on the directory?
12:49<stew>DennisTheTiger: then lsattr is broken
12:49*hdon snickers
12:49<DennisTheTiger>oh fuck
12:50<Gekz>-------------e- /etc/ssh/sshd_config
12:50<Gekz>is that what you mean
12:50<Gekz>shows the contents/
12:50<stew>DennisTheTiger: what does "ls -ld /etc/ssh" return?
12:50<DennisTheTiger>Gekz: yes
12:50<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: its working then
12:50<valdyn>DennisTheTiger: or you want "lsattr -d /etc/ssh"
12:50<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: pastebin that output
12:50<DennisTheTiger>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-05-18 16:28 /etc/ssh
12:51<DennisTheTiger>bingo! One line, not pastebinning
12:51<DennisTheTiger>suSDiadAc----j---- ssh
12:51<Gekz>thats odd
12:51<Gekz>mine just has e.
12:51<hdon>mine has nothing
12:51<DennisTheTiger>...fubar. God damn it.
12:51<hdon>i'm on ubuntu atm, though
12:51<slush>that aint odd on an machine that is compramised
12:52<Gekz>you might want to fix said attributes
12:52<Gekz>chattr -suSDiadAc
12:52<DennisTheTiger>Gekz, thanks
12:52<DennisTheTiger>tryikng now
12:52<themill>that's the least of the problems, however. You can't really believe anything that the machine is telling you.
12:53<Gekz>themill: at least if he can kill the remote access point, he can log a support call
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12:53<DennisTheTiger>That did the tric, I've been pounding on that crap for months.
12:53<DennisTheTiger>!beer Gekz
12:53*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Bornem Tripple for Gekz
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12:54<DennisTheTiger>!beer valdyn
12:54*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Yuengling Lager for valdyn
12:54<themill>shutdown and reinstall from known-good media are the only things that are viable at this stage and neither of those need you to chattr /etc/ssh first.
12:54<DennisTheTiger>themill: To explain, I've been missing why that's been happening.
12:54<Gekz>themill: it's 800 miles away
12:54<DennisTheTiger>themill, just one problem - I'm 800 mioles away from said box and have no cash to drive/train/fly/whatever down.
12:54<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: is it in a center
12:54<Gekz>of some sort
12:54<Gekz>where you can log a support call
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12:55<DennisTheTiger>Gekz, yes, but it's also my equipment.
12:55<Gekz>question 2
12:55<DennisTheTiger>Closest I've got is possibly having my server op do soemthing.
12:55<Gekz>no need
12:55<Gekz>you're not in a vm or anything
12:55<Gekz>you're on hardware level, right?
12:55<Gekz>you could make a debian chroot, nuke the system, copy the chroot onto the root fs
12:55<Gekz>and reboot
12:55<Vyrus001>is there something wrong with the current subversion package for squeeze? i keep getting "svn: XML parsing failed: (403 Forbidden)" any time i attempt to checkout a url, however if i hit the url in firefox it works fine
12:55<Gekz>and pray
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12:56<themill>as long as you believe that the compromised system won't notice the chroot being built and take a crack at it before you can reboot into it, sure.
12:56<DennisTheTiger>themill, if it wasn't for that I'd do the reinstall from clean media. =)
12:56<Gekz>themill: that's one reason he killed off ssh
12:56<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: pastebin lsmod
12:57<Gekz>maybe there's a latched on kernel module
12:57<DennisTheTiger>themill, what Gekz said. 'aptitude purge' is my friend right now, with a side order of telnetd.
12:57<themill>Gekz: you can't trust the output of lsmod. You can't trust the output of ps/killall/pidof etc. You can't know that ssh is actually killed.
12:57<Gekz>that's true
12:57<Gekz>killing the configs wont kill ssh
12:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
12:58<Gekz>themill: it's better to look then to assume that there wont be any evidence
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12:59<themill>But since you'll never know if you've found all the evidence and every back door that was put on the system, you'll never know if you've actually cleaned the machine properly. So what's the point?
12:59<Gekz>you're a pessimist, and I'm not
12:59<Gekz>that's the point
12:59<craigevil>its safer to reinstall
12:59<Gekz>cleaning up to make a chroot to attempt an install is the best option I can see right now
12:59<Gekz>and I'm helping him prime for that
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13:01<Gekz>doesnt look too out of the ordinary
13:01<themill>haxxorsrus isn't listed in lsmod, must be fine!
13:01<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: have you attempted to killall sshd yet
13:01<DennisTheTiger>themill: =)
13:01<DennisTheTiger>Gekz: already there. Gimped it when I started this process ~1 hour ago.
13:02<Gekz>make sure it's still dead
13:02<Gekz>there's a few ways you could go about this
13:02<Gekz>each with different amounts of challenge
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13:03<Gekz>if you have enough space for another partition, or can shrink the current one to make another, that would be easiest
13:03<Gekz>however if you cannot, well, effort.
13:03<DennisTheTiger>Gekz: Looks cut and dry
13:03<DennisTheTiger>Only problem is that I'll have to preserve a few dirs in /etc
13:04<Gekz>manual auditing ftw
13:04<DennisTheTiger>pretty much
13:04<Gekz>lsattr chattr ftw
13:04<DennisTheTiger>Ghods, this is gonna take effort.
13:04<DennisTheTiger>and caffeine.
13:04*DennisTheTiger is not looking forward to the task
13:04<Gekz>this is why I make a kernel + initrd
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13:04<Gekz>with a rescue system in nit
13:05<Gekz>on its own partition
13:05<DennisTheTiger>Honestly, would be easier if I had a spare disk I could ship down and have my guy flop into place.
13:05<Gekz>challenge is fun
13:05<DennisTheTiger>Gekz: that's something to come with debootstrap, isn't it?
13:05<DennisTheTiger>having that clean install partition
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13:05<Gekz>I'm not sure what you're asking
13:05<Gekz>go again
13:06<DennisTheTiger>You're mentioning that kernel + initrd with rescue. That's your clean install partition, yesno? You keep that for events such as this?
13:06<Gekz>oh, no it's a whole system within the initrd
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13:07<DennisTheTiger>ah, ok
13:07<Gekz>no partition
13:07<Gekz>just sits there on the /boot partition
13:07<Gekz>in its initrd image
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13:07<Gekz>it was a little thing I made to do routine backups of my eeepc
13:07<Gekz>so I didnt have to connect a usb device all the time to backup a partition
13:07<Gekz>just did it over wifi
13:07<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: do you have enough space to debootstrap into on another partition?"
13:08<DennisTheTiger>Packages question: openssh-{server,client,blacklist} are the canonical ssh server packages in oldstable, yesno?
13:08<DennisTheTiger>Gekz: 6.9 GB on a spare storage partition, may be enough.
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13:09*DennisTheTiger runs rkhunter just to check for anything funny looking
13:09<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: for a base install, definitely enough
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13:11*DennisTheTiger runs rkhunter at another recommendation
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13:13<DennisTheTiger>OK, this is intriguing
13:13<DennisTheTiger>/dev/s.static has another dev directory in it with a whole lot more than just /dev
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13:15<DennisTheTiger>found that answer, see !.dev for details
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13:16<DennisTheTiger>looks like what it found is from initramfs and devfs/udev being in action.
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13:18<pkm>I have a Debian 5 Lenny, but I want to monodevelop 2.x for this, I prescribe a repository squeeze and Veni at open error and that the packages that can not be established, how do I put
13:18<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: yeah
13:18*DennisTheTiger reinstalls and hopes for the best
13:18<loudergood>pkm, did you try backports?
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13:19<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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13:19<pkm>deb squeeze main
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13:19<DennisTheTiger>Gekz: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `openssh-blacklist' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
13:19<DennisTheTiger>This is after I wiped the directories and attempted to reinstall
13:20<DennisTheTiger>In short, should I be worried?
13:20<Gekz>you did nuke the files
13:20<Gekz>you deleted /etc/ssh
13:20<Gekz>why be worried
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13:21<DennisTheTiger>Looks like what it needs is in there anyway
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13:22<Scalpel>My (other) debian box today fail to load keyboards on boot. Before kernel load they work perfectly (tried multiple, USB and PS2). Known issue?
13:24<Scalpel>lsusb sees the usb keyboard
13:25<DennisTheTiger>Scalpel: what distro?
13:25<Scalpel>DennisTheTiger: unstable
13:25<olet>Scalpel: do you load x on start?
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13:25<Scalpel>olet: keyboard function stops before X starts
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13:26<Scalpel>cahoot: nothing
13:26<DennisTheTiger>ooh, this is interesting. found sshmitm and sshow.
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13:29<ml|>!beer themill
13:29*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Optimator for themill
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13:30<olet>which architecture?
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13:31<Scalpel>olet: just amd64
13:31<Scalpel>olet: olet booting older kernel gives proper keyboard
13:32<olet>there wasn't a kernel upgrade that recently was there?
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13:34<Scalpel>olet: like half a month ago (29-6). That should not be it.
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13:34<olet>yeah that's what i figured too :)
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13:35<olet>but there was some hal and dbus updates but that should not really be it either when it fails that early
13:35<craigevil>Scalpel: did you have dbus in the recent upgrade?
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13:36<DennisTheTiger>...and off with telnetd. Cleanup complete. Thanks for the help, I'm keeping an eye on this.
13:36<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: how so
13:36<Gekz>DennisTheTiger: you should build said chroot
13:36<Gekz>at least to see if it gets attacked
13:36<DennisTheTiger>Gekz: No real time, my day job calls. But I'll do that later.
13:36<Gekz>let me know how you fair
13:36<Gekz>I'm curious now
13:36<Gekz>and I must sleep
13:37<DennisTheTiger>That said, I think I know the path of attack. And I'll let you know in any event.
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13:37<Scalpel>/var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++6_4.4.0-11_amd64.deb is updated twice in two days
13:38<Scalpel>could that one be it?
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13:54<olet>Scalpel: doubt it
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14:13<negledabs>pains me to have to ask for help, but I've recently insatlled debian on this PC (came from ubuntu). i cannot chown the device in question, and sudo yadayadayada just makes me run in circles. any ideas?
14:14<corin>have you set up and installed sudo?
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14:14<negledabs>ah, got a head of myself there. i have a second hd i would liek to mount, but am unable to
14:14<corin>I don't think debian comes with that by default
14:15<negledabs>i've tried so far, but no luck.
14:15<negledabs>edited /etc/sudoers
14:15<corin>if you want to be root, quickly, the command is su root (and then enter the root password)
14:15<corin>so can you sudo other commands? even something simple like sudo ls ?
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14:15<negledabs>no, i get this: not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
14:16<corin>in your sudoers file
14:16<corin>you should have:
14:16<corin># User privilege specification
14:16<corin>root ALL=(ALL) ALL
14:16<corin>corin ALL=(ALL) ALL
14:16<corin>(well, yeh, spot my username on my system!)
14:16<corin>chance corin to, i suppose, negledabs
14:16<corin>save the file
14:17<corin>or is that what you already had?
14:17<ml|>must edit with visudo
14:17<negledabs>thanks, i tied adding this to the user alias spec, but no cigar: User_Alias ADMINS = peter
14:17<corin>(must admit, sudo got me confused too, the documentation there doesn't quite help)
14:17<negledabs>one moemnt, i'lll try that
14:17<corin>ml|: i did it with pico; visudo is only to check your syntax isn't it?
14:18<corin>however yes it's good practise to use visudo
14:18<corin>but... visudo only makes sure you won't break things, it doesn't ensure that the correct users will be able to sudo
14:18<ml|>yes you can edit with any eidtor, but visudo is best to use
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14:18<negledabs>ah, it worked. now i can sudo, thanks a lot for that :)
14:18<corin>no worries!
14:19<cahoot>visudo uses whatever editor is default - no?
14:19<corin>i think it uses vim
14:19<corin>hence the vi at the start
14:19<negledabs>need to learn vi as well :P
14:19<corin>actually no it doesn't!
14:19<corin>visudo starts nano on my machine
14:19<ml|>cahoot: yes or what $EDITOR
14:19<amphi>comme il faut
14:19<corin>negledabs: now, what format is this second HDD? any idea what filesystem is on it?
14:20<negledabs>its my old Ubuntu install
14:20<corin>ahh... that's a good start I suppose
14:20<corin>is it a separate hard drive? or just a partition?
14:20<negledabs>seperate internal SATA HDD
14:20<negledabs>nope, chown doesnt do anything. should i reboot for changes to take effect? :P
14:21<corin>ok.. become root (so, sudo su OR su root ...if you use the latter command, enter the root password instead of your own password!)
14:21<corin>then try exploring for it, see where the drive is
14:21<corin>fdisk -l /dev/ABC
14:21<corin>where AB = hd or sd and C = a / b / c / d / ad infinium
14:21<corin>that -l is a -L (just in lower case)
14:21<corin>not a 1
14:22<corin>i'm sure there's a better way, but i'm not far off being a beginner myself :D
14:22<negledabs>bash: fdisk: command not found
14:22<negledabs> oh dear
14:22<corin> root?
14:22<corin>(run "whoami" without quotes)
14:22<negledabs>good point. tryign sudop :)
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14:23<corin>kk :D
14:23<negledabs>uhoh. Disk /dev/sdb1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
14:23<corin>check on
14:23<negledabs>i sppose that answers it,.
14:23<corin>see if it's just fdisk being bitchy
14:23<corin>or if you have actually found it
14:23<corin>(it's likely, being the second SATA drive though!)
14:23<corin>i mean also check the bios perhaps; in case there are some settings there. I've never figured out things like LBA etc, but it's always given me grief sometimes :D
14:24<corin>don't write to the disk in the meantime
14:24<negledabs>it's just an empty drive sittign next to the boot disk, for storage. didnt mess with it during insdtal..
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14:24<corin>is there anything on there you'll miss?
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14:24<corin>or can it safely be formatted?
14:24<negledabs>yeah lost+found :P
14:24<corin>if it's safe to format, then we can crack on
14:24<adb>negledabs: fdisk -l /dev/sdb
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14:25<stew>negledabs: you are trying to partition a partition?
14:25<corin>adb: i think that's how he found where his drive was
14:25<negledabs>hehe. this is indeed educational. allow me a facepalm or two. hang on.
14:25<negledabs>ok. done. Disk /dev/sdb1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
14:26<negledabs>sorry wrong
14:26<corin>don't wanna type /sdb1
14:26<negledabs>wrong copy paste. here it iss. /dev/sdb1 1 91201 732572001 83 Linux
14:26<corin>just /sdb
14:26<corin>aha there you go
14:26<corin>yeh, the way it shows things is: /sdb1 <--that'd be the first partiton on scsi (or sata) drive B
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14:26<negledabs>now, how to persuade the system im the owner. :P
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14:27<corin>'re root, it shouldn't care too much :D
14:27<corin>however, erm... god i've forgotten my mount commands!
14:27<corin>you'll want to make a folder to mount the drive to
14:27<negledabs>alright, back to good 'ol fstab
14:27<corin>(so, say, mkdir /mnt/seconddrive
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14:27<corin>but yeh, fstab away :D
14:28<corin>you can use the mount command to just temporarily mount it
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14:28<corin>to mount it like "right no"
14:28<corin>"right now", even
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14:28<corin>then fstab just mounts stuff on boot
14:28<negledabs>tried, but i get error sayign its not in fstab
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14:28<negledabs>so i'll have to edit that one anyway
14:28<corin>.... shouldn't need to put something in fstab just to mount it
14:28<corin>at least I don't think
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14:28<negledabs>mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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14:29<negledabs>nvm same bad as before
14:29<olet>"mount device mountpoint" is usualy sufficient
14:29<olet>you need to specify where you want to mount it too
14:29<olet>it's a computer not a mindreader :)
14:30<corin>so: mount /dev/sdb1 /where/you/wantit/mounting
14:30<corin>although the syntax for fstab could well be:
14:30<corin> /dev/sdb3 /media/data1 ext3 defaults 0 2 <--pop that line in, if you want (change /media/data1 of course!)
14:30<corin>er sdb1 even!
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14:30<corin>(sorry, using bits of my own /etc/fstab!)
14:31<negledabs>got it!
14:31<negledabs>ofc it mounts drive on desktop right next to the nice folder i made for it. :)
14:31<negledabs>thanks a lot guys. can i get you abeer with fries or something?
14:31<corin>*sigh* can't win 'em all :P
14:31<jthomas_sb_> I can send email through my Postfix SMTP server fine, but when I try to send email from the command line I get, "server said: 553 5.5.4 <root>... Domain name required for sender address root (in reply to RCPT TO command)) " Where can I get this changed so that Postfix appends the ?
14:31<corin>it's case sensitive though - you might have capitalised the folder on the desktop
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14:31<negledabs>good point
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14:32<negledabs>hd has a volume label, and that shows correctly, maybe thats why.
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14:34<negledabs>next step: vbox with linux from scratch. :)
14:35<ml|>dpkg: tell negledabs about vbox
14:36<negledabs>once upon a time
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14:37<negledabs>so, anyone want a beer? (served in #debian-offtopic :)
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15:05<jetftwi>I have recently installed debian-reference but how can I use it one single hint please
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15:05<ml|>debian-reference <--- in terminal it will open in your browser
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15:12<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:13<dpkg>adb: VATTENE VIA
15:14<ml|>adb: what does that mean?
15:14<stew>it means "GO AWAY"
15:14<ml|>haha ok!
15:15<stew>which was put there becuase we have so many italians that come here hoping to find warez
15:15<stew>but nobody can explain why
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15:15<ml|>ah, that's why they do that, thanks stew
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15:23<negledabs>the upnp framwork shoudl work fine on the current stable deb, yes?
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15:53<acd>hi, don't know if this is the right place ... i'm having this problem with system time: 'date' on xterm give the right time, but all my logs show 8 hours behind. Can someone help me please?
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15:54<Arrowmaster>what timezone are you in?
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15:56<Arrowmaster>im guessing you are in +8 and all the logs are showing 8 hours behind because they are being recorded as UTC
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15:56<cahoot>hwclock --show
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15:57<acd>yes, hwclock show 8 hours behind
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15:58<jetftwi>I have recently installed debian-reference but how can I use it one single hint please
15:58<acd>'date' gives the right time, 22:58
15:58<cahoot>hwclock --systohc
15:58<ml|>debian-reference <--- in terminal it will open in your browser
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15:59<acd>yes, now hwclock --show gives the right time
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16:00<acd>but, how can I make this permanent? after reboot to work well
16:01<acd>is there any debian config tool to set things the right way?
16:02<cahoot>acd: set UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS
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16:08<slkdfhwo>hey. who runs this channel?
16:09<slkdfhwo>is it still dondelelcaro?
16:09<ml|>might want ask in #oftc
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16:11<chealer>slkdfhwo: /msg chanserv info #debian
16:12<slkdfhwo>it's more chan specific. just wanted to know if the ban on tor nodes to this chan was permanent
16:12<slkdfhwo>chealer: thx
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16:13<ml|>he didn't set the ban
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16:15<slkdfhwo>do you have any info on the specifics of the ban?
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16:17<Garp>Question: (debian lenny) When I start collectd (/etc/init.d/collectd start). My computer become over-slow and errors appears in /var/log/messages: ATA 4.00: status: { DRDY ERR } [...]. Anything knows about that? Thanks.
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16:18<ml|>some guy(s) where spaming the channel using tor
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16:19<negledabs>ty for your help tonight everyone
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16:25<Garp>Question: (debian lenny) When I start collectd (/etc/init.d/collectd start). My computer become over-slow and errors appears in /var/log/messages: ATA 4.00: status: { DRDY ERR } [...]. Anything knows about that? Thanks.
16:25<Garp>I wwanted to add that the plugin "IRQ" is responsible for this.
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16:27<Garp>Any suggestion? I desactivated, hoping it's enough, but it's strange anyway
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16:30<Woet>I'm running lenny, but I would like the squeeze version of 1 specific package. How should I format /etc/apt/sources.list?
16:31<ml|>see if it's in
16:32<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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16:33<Woet>it's not, ml|
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16:34<chealer>Woet: if you don't mind, which one?
16:35<Woet>chealer: proftpd
16:35<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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16:35<Woet>yes, i'll compile it myself if required
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16:36<slkdfhwo>so what's it take to get a package in backports? just someone to compile it for lenny?
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16:36<chealer>Woet: if you don't mind, why do you want to use testing's proftpd instead of stable's?
16:37<Woet>chealer: because MySQL and file listing performance has been improved a lot in 1.3.1 and 1.3.2
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16:37<Woet>1.3.2 and 1.3.3 i mean :)
16:37<ml|>slkdfhwo: has info and intructions on that
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16:38<Woet>nvm, already managed it
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16:38<Woet>simply changed 'lenny' to 'squeeze' everywhere in /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:39<themill>Woet: squeeze isn't really recommended for a server
16:40<Woet>themill: just proftpd :)
16:40<Woet>already changed it back to lenny
16:40<themill>Woet: what are you going to do for security support for proftpd?
16:40<chealer>Woet: well, 1.3.3 is not in testing, but if you want 1.3.2, you probably don't need to change APT sources, you could try just downloading proftpd-basic (and possible complements you need)
16:41<Woet>chealer: i'll have a ook
16:41<Woet>look to
16:41<ml|>and install manually
16:41<Woet>too too
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16:41<chealer>Woet: otherwise you could setup a stable/testing mix, in a similar way to a testing/unstable mix...
16:41<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
16:42<Woet>proftpd-basic is 1.3.1-17
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16:43<ml|>isn't mixing stable/testing not recommended?
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16:44<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt []? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
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16:46<klh>I installed kernel 2.6.30 from lenny backports, I have no more system beep from pcspeaker, pcspeaker module is loaded...
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16:46<themill>And none of this provides security support for proftpd which is sort of essential for an outward-facing ftpd.
16:47<chealer>ml|: it's certainly not "recommended". it's case by case
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16:48<ml|>themill: but doing a ssb would correct?
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16:49<themill>ml|: no, you'd still be doing your own security support. But at least the version from sid is more likely to be patched than the version in testing since there's no testing security support atm.
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16:49<ml|>ok, got it
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16:50<themill>and mixing testing and stable gets harder and harder the further away from the last release you get
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17:09<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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17:17<bja>ml|: Did you got my message the other day?
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17:17<ml|>bja: no #debian-offtopic ;)
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17:18<bja>nop from a mibbit account
17:18<bja>directly from #debian
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17:19<bja>As a mater of fact I did a proof of concept access through tor on #debian while the ban was in place
17:19<ml|>heh i mean /j #debian-offtopic
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17:20<Fredrik->Hi.. I've bought a TEMPer usb temperature sensor, but i don't know how to get to use it at my debian server.. Anyone have an idea of how to use this on Debian? :)
17:21<Fredrik->i've googled for days now, but can't find anything working..
17:22<acd>hi, I put this question already, but the solution suggested didn't solve the problem: 'date' show the correct time, but all my logs shows 8 hours behind. Can someone help? Thanks.
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17:30<bja>acd: check your time zone and also what is the timezone your logs are beeing written
17:30<dpkg>it has been said that timezone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/21:30:24zone /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone.
17:30<ml|>bja: but his time is right tho
17:31<bja>The only reason for such a time leap, would be date set to local time and syslog loging on UTC
17:31<bja>Its a hunch, but he will have to check
17:31<acd>my timezone is how can I see the timezone my logs are written to? my timezone (/etc/timezone) is Europe/Bucharest
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17:33<ml|>doing "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" can you change to UTC? i don't remember
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17:39<acd>I did "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" and set the timezone to Europe/Bucharest, but the logs are still written 8 hours behind
17:41<adb>rebootează ?
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17:45<acd>how should be "UTC" in "/etc/default/rcS" set to have the log written in local time? to "no"?
17:45<ml|>adb: does that = reboot?
17:45<adb>yes ml| :)
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17:46<ml|>acd: UTC=yes
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17:47<acd>I set "UTC=yes" and rebooted, but still the logs are 8 hours behind
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17:48<adb>`date` , says ?
17:48<acd>the hardware clock - I guess is that in BIOS - is set to localtime
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17:49<acd>`date` says the localtime
17:49<adb> CEST ?
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17:59<bradley>Hey everyone, I'me having some trouble figuring out how to manually mount an NTFS partition, any idea's?
17:59<dpkg>Samba is a UNIX implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: ("Using Samba, 3rd Edition" not yet available online), Backported Samba 3.3.4 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <>. #samba on
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18:00<bradley>thanks =)
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18:41<c36pop>hi i have no knwoledge in perl could anybody tells me what this line means
18:41<c36pop>my $subject = $summary ? $subject_logbase : $subject_base;
18:42<abrotman>c36pop: there is a #perl on freenode
18:43<themill>c36pop: if $summary is true (i.e. non-zero and non-empty), then the value of $subject_logbase is assigned to $subject. Otherwise, $subject_base is assigned to $subject.
18:43<c36pop>hi thanks a lot guys
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18:46<bja>themill: I allways thought cryptic coding was only a bash thing :)
18:46<themill>ternary operator is good :)
18:46<abrotman>that's actually a common syntax in programming
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18:47<bja>I'll take a look at those
18:47<c36pop>yeah i m too stupid , it is realy night time here , could you believe if i tell you tha my job is mainly C++ prgrammin -> shame on me
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18:50<chaoticmass>Debian Lenny: Got a very well supported Orinoco (Hermes) wireless card thats apparently not detecting any more after a kernel upgrade. ifconfig shows eth1 (wired connection) but not eth0 or anything else. /etc/network/interfaces is correct. I'm at a loss what to do.... Thanks in advance..
18:50<abrotman>c36pop: that's pretty sad :)
18:50<c36pop>yeah i feel stupid
18:51<plugwash>i've got a strange issue, according to libdbus-1-dev in sid contains /usr/lib/pkgconfig/dbus-1.pc but in my sid chroot the file isn't there despite the package being installed
18:51<c36pop>chaticmass : ip link show
18:51<plugwash>anyone have any idea what could cause this?
18:51<abrotman>at least you didn't ask about += ?
18:51<abrotman>plugwash: lots of people
18:51<plugwash>i've tried purging and reinstalling the package and the file still didn't appear
18:51<chaoticmass>c36pop : going to try that out
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18:51<abrotman>chaoticmass: /msg dpkg 70 .. see if that helps you out at all
18:51<c36pop>and see if you see the card
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18:54<abrotman>dmesg | grep eth
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18:54<chaoticmass>abrotman : thats helpful. 70-persistent-net.rules says it was automatically generated. Is there a command to make it regenerate it?
18:55<abrotman>chaoticmass: move the file aside .. when you reboot it will get recreated
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18:56<chaoticmass>abrotman : Giving that a shot. Thanks
18:56<plugwash>ok found the issue now, looks like was out of date and a screwed up version of the package got uploaded recently, seems a fix has just hit sid too :)
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19:00<chaoticmass>abrotman : Bummer. No luck. Used to the card would light up half way through the boot process, and you would see a message on the screen indicating that the module for the card was loaded
19:01<chaoticmass>also, ip link show does not show the card
19:01<abrotman>chaoticmass: does 'dmesg' tell you anything useful ?
19:01<abrotman>and which kernel did you update to ?
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19:05<chaoticmass>Well, it appears that this bit of info will be relevant after all--- I took a debian lenny install from my desktop and copied it to my laptop (after my laptop HD died, this was the easiest way to get up and running again). Everything is working fine except at first it would hang at "Loading the kernel" when booting 2.6.26-2-686. I booted from the installer, did rescue, got to a shell and installed 2.6.26-1-686 and that one bo
19:07<chaoticmass>I think it's a configuration issue now... Somethings probably not installed that it needs. I dunno.
19:07<abrotman>so -1- works and -2- fails ?
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19:08<chaoticmass>-1- works, -2- just stops very early in the boot with no error message (kernel is loaded with ro quiet)
19:09<chaoticmass>specifically, the boot process would stop after "Loading the kernel..." or whatever it says exactly
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19:12<chaoticmass>Interesting... When I plug and unplug the card, dmesg reports that, but the card never lights up like it should.
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19:14<bja>chaoticmass: I'm no expert on the subject, but what happens if you remove the quiet option on your kernel parameters from grub?
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19:16<chaoticmass>bja: I did that once, it gave me some more info but I didn't write it down. It basically said something about can't load the kernel, cant find it, or something and panic'd. I think it was the 1st stage kernel failing to find the real kernel to boot it.
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19:17<bja>Have you tried changing the fstab names to persistent ones?
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19:18<abrotman>chaoticmass: you still didn't mention of 'dmesg' says anything about your wifi card
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19:18<chaoticmass>abrotman : sorry. It had absolutely nothing to say about the card at all. I think I am missing a component needed for PCMCIA to work or something since the current image was installed on a desktop first, and then I copied that to my laptop
19:19<abrotman>pcmciautils ?
19:19<abrotman>you could use lspcmcia to see if it's there
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19:21<chaoticmass>abrotman : dmesg shows when I insert or remove a card, but lspcmcia does not show any cards inserted even when the card is in
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19:28<chaoticmass>abrotman : I think I'm either going to have to do some hard core manual reading for hours and hours, or just give up and do a fresh reinstall. It urks me so much that I couldn't figure it out but the whole point of restoring from a copy was to save time... it's not saving time any more, I could have had a fresh install completed by now :\ Thanks for the help though.
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19:29<abrotman>chaoticmass: can you paste your dmesg ?
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19:30<chaoticmass>sure, gimmie a min
19:30<Arrowmaster>so how can you get the lenny netinst to install squeeze?
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19:31<dr|z3d>Arrowmaster: You'd need to manually edit the repos. If that's possible.
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19:32<abrotman>Arrowmaster: install lenny .. then change your sources and full-upgrade to squeeze
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19:33<chaoticmass>btw: keeps giving me an error... using pastebin or some other alternative
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19:34<abrotman>an error ?
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19:37<abrotman>eth0 is your wifi card ?
19:37<chaoticmass>btw, lines 437 and on were from after the system had finished booting.
19:37<abrotman>i gathered that
19:37<abrotman>eh .. eth0 is your wired nic
19:37<chaoticmass>thats right
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19:38<chaoticmass>Normally it just works. I plug in the card, ifconfig shows eth0 and eth1. Tada. This time.... no eth1.
19:38<abrotman>and when you insert the card .. it loads the modules ? or not? tried manuallyloading orinoco_cs ?
19:39<chaoticmass>yeah, the only reason you see "orinoco" in my dmesg is because I manually modprobe'd orinoco, orinoco_cs, hermes, etc trying to get it to work but it did nothing (no error in dmesg)
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19:40<chaoticmass>I can add orinoco_cs to my /etc/modules, but I've never had to do that before.
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19:41<abrotman>and you shouldn't have to
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19:42<chaoticmass>abrotman : I know this all seems very odd (to me at least), but if I put in my Lenny install CD the installer will happily use the card so I know the card and laptop still works.
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19:49<chaoticmass>Thanks again, but I think I am truely giving up now. I have been googling furiously and I'll probably have to become a Debian/Linux/Gnu developer to fully understand the systems that are at work here and what is not working right. I'll just reinstall from scratch and it'll work (it always works with a fresh install)
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19:50<miguel>how can i see all my physical hard-drives
19:50<chaoticmass>miguel: fdisk -l
19:51*themill restrains himself from saying "open the case"
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19:52<miguel>heheh, i was thinking about that too, but this would be retarded :)
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19:53<abrotman>chaoticmass: i'd be interested to see how it works with preloading the driver .. but
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19:55<TCW>One of the "Debian X Strike Force" around? I wonder if it would be possible tu supply the users with -dbg packages for example compiz (random segfault here with radeon driver in libglib)
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20:02<dondelelcaro>TCW: your best bet is to just recompile it with nostrip
20:03<TCW>dondelelcaro, imho building -dbg packages would be of greater benefit, so why not build them in the first place?
20:06<dondelelcaro>TCW: you can file a wishlist bug asking for them, but it'll take a while for them to be built. In the meantime, you can work to solve your problem.
20:06<TCW>dondelelcaro, the segfault happens seldom enough to be worried that much
20:07<TCW>and as building th -dbg packages for all users is imho in the best interest of all
20:07<dondelelcaro>TCW: then file a wishlist bug asking for them
20:08<TCW>dondelelcaro, I will... but I had the hope to get to one of the maintainers here to see if that wish from me would have a chance :)
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20:09<dondelelcaro>TCW: well, that's the way to ask for it and get their response
20:09<dondelelcaro>(it's sort of hit or miss as to whether maintainers are hanging out here)
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20:17<miguel>what does GENERAL PURPOSE architecture, mean?
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20:18<bja>I think, that is a normal household computer used for n+1 things
20:18<plugwash>probablly depends on the context.....
20:18<bja>no specialized servers or game consoles
20:18<miguel>because, says that the kernel runs on any general purpose 32 or 64 bit architecture (as long as it has mmu)
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20:19*plugwash wonders if they are being deliberately vauge ;)
20:20<themill>miguel: I have some funky arches kicking around in the lab that aren't exactly "general purpose". They are specially designed chips to do a specific job -- they're a processor (of sorts) but will never run linux....
20:21*bja is envious of themill
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20:22<miguel>so i suppose "general purpse" just implies some basic set of functions that have to be supported by the processor (like adding numbers or whatever)
20:23<dondelelcaro>miguel: it basically means commonly used 32/64bit architectures
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20:23<dondelelcaro>miguel: unlike a specialty fpga or something similar
20:23<plugwash>and some not so basic ones, like the ability to address relatively large ammounts of ram and having a mmu
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20:29<horacio>i have a question, just installed debian lenny on a toshiba u305, and gnome doen't start properly
20:30<miguel>i dont know fpgas , but i know the gamecube, ipod, ps2, psp, mac, wii , my wireless router, the xbox, and xbox 360, and im just reading its possible to run linux on all this devices ! :)
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20:30<bja>miguel: fpga == field programable gate array
20:30<miguel>however in case of the ipod (tried it once) its a limited version, because there is no mmu
20:32<plugwash>indeed, however you will never see linux or even uclinux on say a pic
20:32<plugwash>at least not the traditional pics (some of the high end pic32's may be another matter I dunno enough about them to comment)
20:33<miguel>never used pics , but once i experimented with some atmels
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20:33<miguel>but there were like 8 bit, the ones i had
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20:35<horacio>the login window starts ok, but after login nothing is there but the default gnome gackground
20:35<horacio>any thoughts?
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20:36<plugwash>I'd guess some gnome package has got uninstalled, what happens if you login at a text console and then do apt-get install gnome-core?
20:37<horacio>that is very unlikely.. it's the first reboot after installation..
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20:37<horacio>from the dvd1..and everything worked perfectly in a desktop computer i've recently installed..
20:38<wild>horacio, i had that problem, when uninstalled alsa.... with kde-base
20:38<plugwash>is this a stable installer or a testing installer?
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20:38<plugwash>and are you using online repositries during the install?
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20:39<horacio>it's the stable installer, and no, not using any online repositories. The only available connection is wireless, and the device doesn't work during install
20:40<horacio>it's an atheros AR242x
20:40<horacio>wild, i haven't been able to add nor remove any's the first boot ever since install
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20:44<miguel>now something completely different: anyone here used XEN ?
20:45<miguel>im just building it, but im a bit afraid and respectful
20:46<wild>horacio, try apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
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20:48<rotty>why does fc-cache consider /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts, when "grep -r gsfonts /etc/fonts" yields nothing?
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20:49<adb>dpkg: tell horacio about ath5k
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20:49<adb>dpkg: tell horacio about selftell
20:51<rotty>(i'd like to stop fontconfig from using gsfonts, since they display horribly)
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20:53<rotty>(this is a current sid installation, btw)
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21:05<twb>Is ntfsprog's mkfs.ntfs compatible with ntfs-3g?
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21:07<horacio>yea...but i mean.. what's the chance of the installer botching up the gnome installation/
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21:08<horacio>adb, the wireless drivers aren't an issue, iv'e already installed them while running ubuntu 8.10
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21:09<deniz>on the debian installer on in partition im guessing LVM is logical volume management (heard that term somewhere), I was just curious as to what that does exactly
21:10<bja>deniz: man lvm DESCRIPTION very instructive
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21:12<horacio>any thoughts?
21:13<deniz>bja, it says what commands do and im reading wikipedia and it seems to be someway to resize, etc partitions but isn't that possible with plain regular partitions?
21:13<plugwash>deniz, resizing partitions is possible but a PITA
21:14<bja>plugwash: :)
21:14<deniz>plugwash, assuming that meant pain in the ass, what exactly is simplified thanks to lvm?
21:15<deniz>how does it make it not be a "PITA" lol
21:16<musca>add Capacity on the fly
21:16<plugwash>because partitions have to occupy a contiguous space on disk resizing them generally requires moving other partitions around, that is bad in a few ways. It takes a lot of time, it puts data at risk if something goes wrong during the move and requires the partitions that are to be moved to be unmounted (which means more often than not shutting the system down and booting a livecd)
21:16<olasd>deniz: lvm allows "partition" resizing without moving the data of other "partitions"
21:16<xlotlu>how do i install ia32-libs from sid? I get a Depends: ia32-apt-get (>= 21) but it is not going to be installed -- while ia32-apt-get: Installed: 22
21:16<stroyan>deniz: Plain partitions must be contiguous on one physical device. LVM allows volumes to span multiple devices and grow or shrink without contiguous regions.
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21:17<deniz>olasd, stroyan, so in other words, the advantage is quick resizing?
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21:18<olasd>deniz: the advantage is on-the-fly partition management
21:18<stroyan>deniz: The ability to snapshot on the fly can also be very nice when long backups would be a bother.
21:18<deniz>olasd, ya and resizing fits under that category, right?
21:18<olasd>deniz: sure
21:18<deniz>olasd, :)
21:19<deniz>k so what about lvm's disadvantages?
21:19<deniz>is there any?
21:19<deniz>like in encryption for example, u slow down the system a bit
21:19<plugwash>quick resizing is one big advantage, another is that you can increase the size of logical volumes and add and remove physical volumes without ever unmouting them
21:19<deniz>any such disadvantage/
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21:20<stroyan>deniz: The boot initrd and recovery disks need to be able to handle the lvm configuration. That can involve more planning to get it right.
21:20<plugwash>in other words if your system supports hotplugging you can actually do a hard drive upgrade without your users noticing :)
21:20<chealer>twb: I don't see why they wouldn't be. I'm not aware of ntfs-3g being incompatible with any NTFS, except perhaps rare stuff
21:21<deniz>so the disadvantage would be compatibility with older stuff?
21:21<twb>chealer: thanks, I think I was just being rampantly paranoid.
21:21<olasd>well, if you ever boot your computer with a 1999 rescuecd, this may be a problem ;)
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21:22<deniz>plugwash, so im guessing thats important for servers but i dont necessarily need that feature but resizing fast is important to me
21:22<deniz>olasd, lol thats unlikely
21:22<deniz>so basically i have nothing to lose, right?
21:22<stroyan>deniz: It is also possible to improve performance by using LVM to stripe across multiple disks. The streaming R/W bandwidth can be higher.
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21:23<stroyan>deniz: You have nothing to lose but your data. Remember to backup.
21:23<plugwash>stroyan, just remember that by doing that you are effectively creating a raid 0 equivilent with all that entails
21:24<plugwash>lvm also complicates certain tasks, for example lvm volumes and volume groups are reffered to by names not locations so cloning drives may not be a good idea
21:24<deniz>stroyan, i just bought a 500GB hd
21:24<stroyan>plugwash: You refer to fragility?
21:24<deniz>im partition with LVM then :D
21:24<olasd>deniz, you should make sure that either your /boot is off lvm, or your bootloader supports lvm
21:24<deniz>thx everyone!
21:24<acd>hi, how can I make my old modprobe setup to work in lenny? I had a cd-writer (/dev/hda) with scsi emulation and all those pre-install lines that now don't work anymore; during system startup I receive "modprobe: WARNING ignoring bad line starting with 'pre-install'" I want to be able to use my cd-writer again
21:24<plugwash>stroyan, yes
21:25<deniz>olasd, by bootloader you mean grub right? lenny's grub supports lvm
21:26<olasd>deniz: yeah, I mean grub. Are you sure about that?
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21:26<plugwash>iirc grub legacy does not support booting off lvm, grub 2 apparently does but I dunno how reliable it is
21:26<deniz>olasd, well the lenny installer asked me for lvm so if the installer requests it then grub must support it
21:27<plugwash>iirc the debian installer in it's standard lvm setups will create a seperate /boot partition outside lvm
21:27<plugwash>so the bootloader does not have to understand lvm
21:27<olasd>plugwash: or fallback to LILO if /boot is on lvm
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21:28<plugwash>indeed, though while debian-installer will setup lilo with /boot on lvm it is NOT a configuration I would reccomend
21:28*plugwash has learnt the hard way that it's not a very good idea to do that
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21:29<deniz>plugwash, i only told it to create a seperate home partition
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21:33<plugwash>deniz, iirc if you use guided partitioning with lvm you always get a /boot outside lvm. I think the only way to get /boot or / including /boot inside lvm is to use manual partitioning
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21:34<deniz>plugwash, i used guided partitioning, what's wrong with a seperate /boot partition?
21:35<plugwash>nothing really, just means you have to keep an eye on how many kernels you have installed. Also i've generally found the ones the installer creates by default a little on the stingy side
21:36<deniz>plugwash, lol but thanks to the LVM greatness, i can resize that without a problem, right?
21:37<olasd>well, no, if /boot is out of the lvm
21:37<deniz>lol shit
21:37<deniz>well i can always reinstall and remount home but i need to read more on this
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21:39<Nemoder>How do I get exim to authenticate with my ISP's smtp server? I created an entry in /etc/exim4/passwd.client but exim isn't using it to login.
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21:56<kaffeine_user_001>Hi! Does someone know: how to start kaffeine with something like --noaudio tai --audiodevice=/dev/null
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22:02<chealer>kaffeine_user_001: did you ask #debian-kde?
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22:11<adb>kaffeine_user_001: ask #knoppix ..
22:13<rocky>oops..... forgot the /amsg would go in here, sorry
22:13<arw_super_moo>hello rocky
22:13<rocky>hello arw_super_moo
22:14<arw_super_moo>rocky: join to #debian-offtopic, free beer by bja
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22:14<rocky>lol, kk
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22:20<drakeman>Hey, the update-alternatives command in debian works?what if i remove gnome-www.browser by error? can it be created again?
22:20<abrotman>removed it from /etc/alternatives ?
22:21<drakeman>abrotman, from /etc/alternatives and from /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives
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22:21<abrotman>why would you do that ?>
22:21<drakeman>abrotman, well, i remove it :( beacuse i was getting an error message, and i removed and i was trying to create it again,
22:21<arw_super_moo>bad luck
22:22<drakeman>cannot be created manually with update-alternatives?
22:22<abrotman>drakeman: you can reinstall the browsers that affect it .. or rerun their postinst files
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22:22<abrotman>sure ..they can be ..
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22:22<drakeman>well gnome-browser was pointing to epiphany
22:22<Arrowmaster>so i just got to the end of and found out that my /etc/X11/xorg.conf is blank so what do i edit?
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22:23<ml|>that's the default for gnome no?
22:23<drakeman>ml|, yes.
22:23<abrotman>drakeman: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/epiphany-gecko.postinst
22:23<arw_super_moo>Arrowmaster: depkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
22:23<abrotman>that won't do anything
22:23<abrotman>X -configure
22:23<arw_super_moo>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
22:23<abrotman>that won't do anything
22:24<Arrowmaster>heh X -configure bitched at me because im still running X
22:24<abrotman>that will happen
22:24<drakeman>abrotman, dont have that file
22:24<abrotman>drakeman: are you not using epiphany ?
22:24<ml|>nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings is whaat i wouls ude
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22:25<drakeman>abrotman, yes yes i have the file...
22:25<abrotman>okay .. see the 'update-alternatives' command in there ?
22:25<craigevil>ml|: have another beer your typing as bad as I do :)
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22:26<ml|>yeah sorry ;( heh
22:26<abrotman>drakeman: oyu can rerun that postinst script if you want
22:27<drakeman>abrotman, look, this is the file contents ---->
22:27<drakeman>abrotman, how i can rerun that file?
22:27<abrotman>just run it like any other script ?
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22:28<chealer>Arrowmaster: which way does the guide tell you to use?
22:28<Arrowmaster>it tells me to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:28<drakeman>abrotman, -> update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/bin/epiphany-gecko doesn't exist.
22:29<abrotman>drakeman: did you remove that package ?
22:29<drakeman>abrotman, no,
22:29<chealer>Arrowmaster: which Debian suite do you use?
22:29<drakeman>abrotman, i will try to reinstall it
22:30<chealer>Arrowmaster: is xorg.conf really completely blank?
22:30<abrotman>it's supposed to be
22:30<ml|>Arrowmaster: install nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings
22:30<Arrowmaster>yes, 0 bytes
22:31<ml|>as root with no running X nvidia-xconfig
22:32<drakeman>abrotman, i get this when reinstalling epiphany-gecko ----->
22:32<adb>drakeman: it seems forget it ? .. `go go experiment, but don't tell us`
22:32<drakeman>adb :(
22:33<ml|>Arrowmaster: then i like to reboot since you just messed kernel stuff and after login in su -c nvidia-settings select approptiate settings for monitor etc..
22:33<chealer>Arrowmaster: you edit xorg.conf, but it seems you'll have to add a Device section which the guide takes as granted
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22:34<abrotman>drakeman: aptitude clean && aptitude reinstall epiphany-gecko
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22:37<chealer>Arrowmaster: it sounds like you hit a bug, but # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; will probably help
22:37<otter_>does any body know how to get a mp3 player to work on ubuntu
22:37<Arrowmaster>eww there was an nvidia splash screen as X started...
22:37<ml|>ask in #ubuntu on freenode
22:38<adb>otter_: ask ubuntu
22:38<chealer>Arrowmaster: you should get a skeleton xorg.conf which should be easy to fill
22:38<otter_>ml| do you know ?
22:38<ml|>otter_: /server then /join #ubuntu
22:39<drakeman>abrotman, same error.
22:39<otter_>is that were i can find the answer ?
22:40<ml|>otter_: you should get some answer there
22:40<arw_super_moo>yes otter
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22:42<abrotman>drakeman: maybe try with iceweasel isntead
22:42<drakeman>reinstalling ice weasel? to recover gnome-www-browser?
22:42<abrotman>it's one of the options on my box
22:42<abrotman>or man update-alternatives .. figure out what's going wrong
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22:43<otter_>i also tried to compile my own kernel for ubuntu and failed :(
22:43<arw_super_moo>drakeman: no
22:44<craigevil>!tell otter_ about ubuntu
22:44<arw_super_moo>otter this is a debian channel for debian users, sorry but is helpfull for you go to #ubuntu in freenode
22:44<abrotman>otter_: please go to #ubuntu on for support
22:45<drakeman>abrotman, well i think i can leave with the problem, because i was trying to fix that like 3 hours ago, looking in google, and nothing, after 3 hours dont know what to do.
22:45<otter_>but ubuntu is based on debain
22:45<abrotman>otter_: but it is not debian ... and it's not supported here
22:45<otter_>see you guys later
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22:45<arw_super_moo>otter_: yes... but is not debian
22:45<ml|>dpkg: tell otter_ about based on debian
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22:46<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:46<arw_super_moo>too late
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22:47<adb>arw_super_moo: go #ubuntu and tell him there ..
22:47<arw_super_moo>adb: good idea.. but no for me
22:48<drakeman>abrotman, now everytime i run aptitude safe-upgrade i get the epiphany-gecko postinst errors.
22:48<abrotman>drakeman: ls /etc/alternatives/gnome* .. anything come up?
22:49<drakeman>abrotman, ----> /etc/alternatives/gnome-text-editor /etc/alternatives/gnome-text-editor.1.gz /etc/alternatives/gnome-video-thumbnailer
22:49<abrotman>drakeman: ls /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/gnome* .. any files ?
22:51<drakeman>abrotman, ---/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/gnome-text-editor and ------------>/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/gnome-video-thumbnailer
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22:51<abrotman>just those ?
22:52<abrotman>yep .. i'm confused
22:52<abrotman>drakeman: can you paste your postinst file for epiphany-gecko ?
22:52<abrotman>drakeman: oh crap .. i'm sorry .. i'm a moron :)
22:52<abrotman>drakeman: ls /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www* .. any files ?
22:52<abrotman>drakeman: ls /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www* .. any files ?
22:53<abrotman>oh jeez
22:53<abrotman>drakeman: ls /etc/alternatives/x-www* .. anything come up?
22:53<abrotman>i want them both
22:53<drakeman>abrotman, ----> (the epiphany-gecko posinst)
22:54<abrotman>drakeman: and the other two things ?
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22:55<drakeman>ls /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www* --------> /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-www-browser
22:55<abrotman>and /etc/alternatives ?
22:55<drakeman>abrotman, ---> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
22:55<abrotman>that's it ?
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22:57<abrotman>drakeman: ls /var/lib/dpkg/alteratives/*~*
22:57<abrotman>drakeman: ls /etc/alteratives/*~*
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22:58<drakeman>abrotman, ls: cannot access /etc/alternatives/*~*: No such file or directory
22:59<ml|>abrotman: can't he just recreate the file he deleted?
22:59<drakeman>abrotman, the same with the other
22:59<abrotman>they're both symlinks .. the error seems confusing .. like he edited a file with a vi-ish editor that makes a backup
22:59<drakeman>abrotman, wait. a minute.
23:00<abrotman>it makes me want to shout
23:00<abrotman>make it quick .. i'm sleepy :)
23:00<drakeman>abrotman, now i have the same problem i was in the beggining
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23:00<ml|>the one in /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/ is not symlink, just in /etc/alternatives/ no?
23:00<drakeman>i get that message with aptitude safe-upgrade
23:01<adb>drakeman: time to reinstall debian ..
23:01<abrotman>ml|: oh .. yes .. sorry
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23:01<drakeman>abrotman, /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser
23:01<abrotman>drakeman: seems like it's working ?
23:01<drakeman>now i have the files.
23:01<ml|>yeah seems all fixed now?
23:02<ml|>!lart adb
23:02*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses adb's head to break the homerun record
23:02<abrotman>so i can go sleepy?!
23:02<drakeman>adb you are mean
23:02<abrotman>night folks
23:02<drakeman>good night man thanks
23:02<ml|>good night abrotman
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23:02<drakeman>adb, and is not time to reinstall debian
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23:03<ml|>drakeman: don't delete stuff! ;)
23:03<adb>drakeman: well so next time than ..
23:03<drakeman>ml|, yes, i delete some files, in that folders when i try to fixed, sorry, i try to resolve by myself before asking but i cant :(
23:04<adb>as usual ..
23:04<ml|>drakeman: see a bckup in this case might have saved you all this work
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23:04<drakeman>ml|, yes, a full / backup
23:04<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
23:05<drakeman>adb thanks for your help :D
23:05<drakeman>ml|, thanks :D
23:05<adb>any time
23:05<drakeman>!kill adb
23:05*dpkg tears a hole in adb's head with a large trout
23:05<ml|>np but i didn't do anything
23:06<drakeman>ml|, yes, you always try to help :D
23:07<adb>drakeman: give me your IP , so i let you do a clean install
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23:09<dpkg>rumour has it, kind is knoppix is not debian
23:09<drakeman>adb, dont be mean, is bad:D
23:09<dpkg>well, bad is Bay Area Debian, or what I am, and you know it!
23:10<ml|>dpkg: tell arw_super_moo about selftell
23:11<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
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23:13<drakeman>adb, i know you are nice :D we can be friends xD
23:14<adb>too late now
23:14<arw_super_moo>nice ?
23:15<arw_super_moo>i do not think so
23:15<adb>arw_super_moo: forget to do `!nice` ?
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23:17<arw_super_moo>adb: ohh.. really ? yes.. thx adb you save me ...
23:18<drakeman>adb, never is too late.
23:18<arw_super_moo>drakeman: see you are right, adb is so kind and nice person
23:20<drakeman>arw_super_moo, i know :D he just kidding
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23:20<adb>drakeman: i may forgive all if tomorrow came here whit a .iso made by debirf , apt-cache search debirf
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23:22<ikyuao>Hi I'm seek to ask about key signing for general upgrade for next OS version or either the key signing dates are expired how i find US debian key signing servers to update my key signing authorization?
23:22<dpkg>[key] Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive
23:23<ml|>!win adb
23:23<dpkg>Congratulations, adb! You have won the US presidency!
23:23<drakeman>adb, you can do it, i know you can, i can read about that and i can help you :D
23:23<arw_super_moo>ml|: lol
23:25<adb>drakeman: i don't needs help , that's will be your home work , and good manner to lean debian
23:26<ikyuao>you saying i should type apt-key !key in command line interface to update the keyring signing?
23:26<adb>learn *
23:26<arw_super_moo>ikyuao: no
23:27<drakeman>adb thanks for the advise : i will read about that.
23:27<ml|>ikyuao: no in a terminal aptitude install debian-archive-keyring or aptitude full-upgrade if it's already installed
23:28<adb>drakeman: you welcome
23:28<arw_super_moo>ikyuao: apt-key update
23:28<ikyuao>arw_super_moo is that i should type apt-key update to get new keyring signing for new keys after old keys are expired or either upgrade the next version of OS
23:28<ml|>ikyuao: what release?
23:29<ikyuao>I checked I already have debian-archive-keyring in synaptic
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23:29<arw_super_moo>ikyuao: is for the version that you have installed
23:30<arw_super_moo>adb: learn *
23:30<adb>[ 05:26:03] <adb> learn *
23:30<arw_super_moo>adb: if you do not want help is ok, but do not be unpolite
23:30<ml|>an full-upgrade should fix that or what arw_super_moo said
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23:31<ikyuao>arw_super_moo I was upgraded from old etch to new lenny
23:31-!-dmoerner [] has joined #debian
23:31<arw_super_moo>ml|: full-upgrade should fix it -imho-
23:32<craigevil>!tekk ikyuao about etch->lenny key
23:32<craigevil>!tell ikyuao about etch->lenny key
23:32<ml|>hehe :)
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23:33<ikyuao>however i should go for typing apt-key "update" that should be updating the keyring signing that install new keyring signing and remove the old keyring signing expired
23:33<ml|>i was just about to suggest he try that ;P
23:33<arw_super_moo>ikyuao: yes :D
23:33<ikyuao>i think that should be working automatically without searching over internet to find keyring signing.
23:34<ikyuao>that is all i get right?
23:34<ml|>ikyuao: read msg from dpkg that craigevil sent you
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23:36<ikyuao>so is that all i get it right?
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23:37<ikyuao>i think i get it so when it is in the case when the keyring signing expired in 2013 then i will go typing apt-key "update" to get new key ones right?
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23:38<Shadowlee>what folder is for install jdk-6u14-linux-i586.bin? usr/local?
23:38<ml|>ikyuao: apt should take care of that for you
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23:38<ikyuao>i see. thanks guys!
23:39<wild>i love debian
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23:40<drakeman>wild, me too
23:40<arw_super_moo>ikyuao: your welcome
23:40<ml|>ikyuao: unless you upgrade to a new release, you might need to manually install it like you just did, but apt should take care of it, anyways 2013 is a ways off ;)
23:41<wild>drakeman, but we know not so long ago each other :)
23:41<drakeman>wild, hehe, same as me :D
23:42<ikyuao>me too definitely! I love debian :D
23:42<wild>month... may be
23:42<wild>or two :_
23:42<adb>privet wild
23:42<wild>zdorova :)
23:43<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
23:43*adb hide
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23:45<coldiso>anyone have any advice as to iwl4965 driver when intel site says its in kern now with 2.6.26 ?
23:45<coldiso>but my system keeps looking for the ucode
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23:45<olasd>coldiso: you still have to install the firmware
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23:45<olasd>firmware-iwlwifi is the package you're looking for
23:45<coldiso>olasd: that is the thing on intel's site they have pulled it
23:46<coldiso>do i have to mask something to get access to that package via apt ?
23:46<coldiso>it doesn't show up
23:47<olasd>it's in non-free
23:47<coldiso>ah ok need to lookup how to trick apt- I will go googling - thanks
23:47<olasd>you have to enable it in your sources.list
23:48<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <wireless tree> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on
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23:48<Jason1>just curious.
23:48<arw_super_moo>hello Jason1
23:48<Jason1>how do I get the pidgin window to popup when I get messages?
23:48<coldiso>dpkg: thanks
23:48<dpkg>coldiso: no problem
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23:49<arw_super_moo>Jason1: you must install the pluing
23:49<olasd>what a lovely bot.
23:49<ml|>coldiso: do you have non-free in your sources.list?
23:49<Jason1>Hmm... which plugin speficic?
23:49<ml|>dpkg: rocks
23:49<dpkg>Yer damned right...
23:50<coldiso>ml|: no i don't
23:50<Jason1>I love you dpkg
23:50<ml|>!non-free sources
23:50<dpkg>rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
23:50<Jason1>wow no response
23:50<Jason1>ok which plugin for pidgin?
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23:51<ml|>coldiso: so follow what dpkg just told you
23:51<olasd>Jason1: google says guifications, but he may be wrong
23:51<Jason1>it is like obeying a bot lol
23:51<drakeman>hey Jason1 you are back, hello to you _D
23:51<Jason1>Aww... hello
23:51<coldiso>stupid binary blobs
23:51<Jason1>let me examine the plugins
23:52<ml|>Jason1: dpkg is in charge here :)
23:52<Jason1>I know silly friend
23:52<olasd>coldiso: well at least the driver is free software, it's not like they give you only a .ko for kernel 2.6.14
23:53<Jason1>can't find it
23:53<olasd>Jason1: pidgin-guifications ?
23:53<coldiso>olasd: its always such a rat chase everytime I go through it Intel seems to have changed what hoops they want us to jump through
23:54<arw_super_moo>olasd: yes , that is the package - Jason1
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23:55<Jason1>where should I download?
23:55<olasd>Jason1: yes
23:55<Jason1>ok hm.
23:56<arw_super_moo>apt-get install ...
23:56<Jason1>I know
23:56<arw_super_moo>oh.. sorry
23:56<Jason1>I'll do ml|'s method
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23:57<ml|>!win Jason1
23:57<dpkg>Congratulations, Jason1! You have won the US presidency!
23:57<Jason1>install after aptitude?
23:57<olasd>the White House is going to overflow
23:57<Jason1>lol true
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23:58<arw_super_moo>olasd: is called debian's democracy ;)
23:58<ml|>Jason1: yes aptitude install package-name
23:58<Jason1>aptidude install?
23:58<Jason1>aha ok
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23:58<Jason1>I'll logoff and login
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