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---Logopened Fri Jul 17 00:00:00 2009
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00:00<Jason1>hm. I see nothing
00:00<Jason1>I installed
00:00<olasd>I guess you still need to enable it somehow
00:01<Jason1>looking for it
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00:03<Jason1>I'm on plugins dialog
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00:07<Jason1>I can't still find it
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00:08<Jason1>how do I find the plugin I downloaded?
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00:10<arw_super_moo>Jason1: apt-get install pidgin-guifications
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00:10<olasd>Jason1: well, right-click on the pidgin icon in your notification area, Plugins
00:10<arw_super_moo>sorry apt.. but still works
00:10<olasd>and in this you tick the "Guifications" pligun
00:10<ml|>!lart arw_super_moo
00:10*dpkg strangles arw_super_moo with a doohicky mouse cord
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00:10<Jason1>let me try the other method lol
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00:12<Jason1>it works
00:12<Jason1>!win Jason1
00:12<dpkg>Congratulations, Jason1! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
00:12<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
00:14<olasd>I'm starting to think ml| is a metabot designed to call dpkg at regular intervals
00:14<ml|>yes i'm :)
00:15<arw_super_moo>olasd: is a good idea.. and drakeman can hel him
00:15<Jason1>Hmm... maybe I need to find a option that will automatically switch to the window when I get messages
00:16<arw_super_moo>Jason1: yes, you ned to find it
00:16<arw_super_moo>preferences.. i think
00:16<Jason1>it'll make myl ife easier
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00:17<olasd>sounds like an annoying option
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00:17<drakeman>olasd, when dpkg cannot answer something it calls ml| and ml| solve your problem :D
00:17<olasd>as if IRC/IM wasn't invasive enough ;)
00:17<Jason1>hm. maybe i'll stick with guifactions
00:17<drakeman>olasd, ml| was programmed with artificial inteligence :D
00:18<ml|>someone say my name?
00:18<Jason1>not me
00:18<drakeman>you see, dpkg sends a command to ml| hehehe and ml| answers :D
00:18<ml|>hmm who is that!
00:19<Jason1>I love this plugin
00:19<Jason1>so easy and configable
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00:31<drakeman>good night!
00:31<Jason1>you too
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00:38<ikyuao>hey... what about apt-key net-update if i want to get new keyring update via over network so how i go be on URL about it?
00:38<morochos>flag it you not
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00:40<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
00:40<adb>Jason1: ^^
00:40<Jason1>it works
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00:42<ikyuao>could i get an answer please?
00:43<Jason1>Good question ikonia_
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00:45<ikyuao>dpkg what about apt-key "net-update" that requires me to input to enter the URL address to find release source?
00:45<dpkg>You are moron #2, ikyuao
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00:47<Jason1>oh jeez
00:47<ikyuao>what? i'm new to around with apt things what i look at. if i want to install new release over net then i should using apt-key net-update that requires me to enter URL address to get around it.
00:47*Jason1 giggles and spanks dpkg for saying something mean to someone :)
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00:47<kapil>ikyuao: why not just use "apt-key update"?
00:47<Tekno_>good job dpkg
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00:49<ikyuao>i see. so that apt-key update do all automatically for all includes network?
00:49<Tecna>I'm trying to install compiz. these instructions produce no visible results for me. Please help.
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00:50<olasd>ikyuao: I'm really not sure why you're bothering yourself with apt-*key*
00:51<Jason1>will it be bad if I replace the other new motherboard and use my old harddrive and will Debian detect it?
00:51<olasd>ikyuao: if you want to upgrade your system, you just have to use aptitude or apt-*get*
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00:51<Jason1>olasd is right
00:51<olasd>Jason1: yeah, you have to call SPI to activate your installation again ;)
00:51<ikyuao>well, i just asking some questions about different between apt-key update and apt-key net-update
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00:52<ikyuao>does that apt-key update do all of it automatically? i want to know
00:52<Jason1>good question
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00:53<Jason1>oh? why?
00:53<olasd>Jason1: nevermind my silly joke, there shouldn't be any problem as soon as the material is supported ;)
00:54<Jason1>ok good
00:54<olasd>well, my English is starting to break down, it means it's time to go to sleep
00:54*Jason1 unbreak the English? lol
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00:55<olasd><ikyuao> does that apt-key update do all of it automatically? i want to know <<-- do all of *what* ?
00:56<Jason1>I think I understand
00:56<Jason1>upgrading the key?
00:56<ikyuao>ok i will figure out by myself with apt-key update or either apt-key net-update *requires* URL address to access the public debian of the keyring server when around 2013 or 2014 that keyring signings are expired.
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00:57<ikyuao>yes i'm talking about upgrading the keyring signing.
00:57<olasd>ikyuao: don't bother, the debian-archive-keyring package will be updated before the keys roll over
00:58<olasd>and as soon as your system stays up-to-date there shouldn't be any problem
00:58<Jason1>ikyuao is right
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00:59<olasd>ikyuao: and it seems that "apt-key update" uses the current package (as installed on the system), while net-update needs an URL
00:59<olasd>(but again, you won't have to use it anyway)
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01:02<Jason1>how do I install Asian fonts?
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01:02<ikyuao>should i get warnings under apt-get if the old keyring (around 2014 are expired) then i should alone go ahead to get new the keyring signings from apt-get?
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01:03<ikyuao>then i press on apt-key update to update so i don't get any warnings?
01:03<jm_>Jason1: the same way you install other packages
01:04<Jason1>how? what name of the packages then?
01:05<olasd>ikyuao: well, if you do not update your system until 2014, yes, apt-get will shout at you because you do not have the key signing the repository (as the expiring keys will be rolled over)
01:05<Jason1>apt-get install japanese-fonts?
01:05<Jason1>what about other Asian languages?
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01:06<ikyuao>i see. i will keep look out to keep my system update without apt-get piss off at me LOL
01:06<olasd>I'm not sure why you're fixating on repository signing issues though
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01:07<olasd>'cause the debian-archive-keyring package will be upgraded as needed, and should you keep your system up to date, you won't even notice the repository key has changed
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01:09<ikyuao>if apt-get do really shouting at me then i rush to use apt-key update in order to resolve any shout warnings from apt-get?
01:09<olasd>ikyuao: no
01:09<ikyuao>well, if apt-get really shout at me then what step i can do?
01:09<olasd>ikyuao: you will need to install the then-new version of the "debian-archive-keyring" package
01:10<olasd>using simply "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring"
01:10<olasd>but I'm pretty sure that: 1/ It won't happen; 2/ Should it happen, you won't even remember you freaked out about it 5 years earlier.
01:11<ikyuao>ok i will do that in the case if apt-get gets shouting at me then i will run apt-get install debian-archive-keyring and then i run apt-key update thats it?
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01:11<olasd>ikyuao: that's exactly it yes
01:11<olasd>well no
01:11<olasd>let's recap
01:12<Jason1>just be nice, sir
01:12<olasd>step 1: apt-get update shouts at you because you don't have the right key; step 2: "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring"; step 3: "apt-get update".
01:12<olasd>that's it
01:12<olasd>you're done
01:12<jm_>the package is not called japanese-fonts - debtags will find them for you easily
01:12<ikyuao>great thanks.
01:13<Jason1>I already done it before ya
01:13<Jason1>I am installing
01:13<olasd>ikyuao: note that you never had to use apt-key in any way
01:13<olasd>the debian-archive-keyring does that for you
01:13<Jason1>it works
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01:15<olasd>ikyuao: Anyway, I strongly advise you to avoid bothering yourself with details on what could go wrong five years from now, it will save some problems to your heart ;-)
01:16<olasd>(the world will end in 2012 anyway :D)
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01:17<Kryptik>ls -la
01:18<Kryptik>mistype @_@
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01:19<olasd>wow, I never saw someone open irc and mistype a command right away. Kryptik, you're my new hero :)
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01:19<Kryptik>I've got a problem with the date of a box and I was wondering if anyone could point me to a general solution?
01:19<Kryptik>aww...wern't nothin :P
01:19*Kryptik phails
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01:19<Kryptik>Anyway, I installed ntp and set my's off by an hour though
01:20<Kryptik>and I don't want a temporary solution or per user solution
01:20<olasd>Kryptik: does ntp say the clock is off by an hour in syslog ?
01:20<ikyuao>ok i got go to sleep so see you later guys
01:20*Kryptik checks
01:21<Kryptik>I'm still relatively new to linux in general...where is that? /var?
01:21<sney>most logs are in /var/log
01:21<Kryptik>ah, found it..
01:21<sney>except when they're not.
01:21<sney>locate is wonderful
01:21*Kryptik plays with his new toy
01:21<sney>it's this tool that keeps a database of where all the files are.
01:21<olasd>Kryptik: 'cause in the default configuration, ntp synchronizes the time "continuously", by removing a few tenths of a second every now and then
01:22<sney>you update it every so often, or set cron to do it, and it's a lifesaver.
01:22<Kryptik>I see.
01:22<olasd>so if your clock is *way* off, ntp alone can take a long time
01:22<Kryptik>Well, I see the last time I booted...
01:23<Kryptik>about 10 messages or so
01:23<olasd>Kryptik: anyway, are you using openntpd or ntpdate ?
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01:23*Kryptik apt-get installed it
01:23<olasd>Kryptik: what package did you install ?
01:23<Kryptik>How would I find that out?
01:23<olasd>well... what did you type?
01:23<Kryptik>I just did atp-get install ntp
01:24<olasd>all right
01:24<Kryptik>it's ntpd in the logs...if that helps.
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01:24<Kryptik>Probably not.
01:24<olasd>Kryptik: do you dual-boot another OS ?
01:25<Kryptik>No, it's a vps actually.
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01:25<Kryptik>Just debian
01:25<jm_>did you verify if your UTC setting is set properly?
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01:25<Kryptik>How would I verify that jm_?
01:25<sney>maybe the hwclock battery in the server is dead
01:25<Kryptik>That's what I think is off.
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01:25<Kryptik>No, other vps' are correct.
01:25<olasd>jm_: as long as ther is only one OS it doesn't really matter, does it?
01:26<Kryptik>It's just this vps for some reason is off by one hour.
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01:26<jm_>olasd: it does
01:26<olasd>how so?
01:26<jm_>Kryptik: /etc/default/rcS
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01:27<jm_>olasd: what would happen if BIOS time is not set when you shutdown? it will keep the wrong time, and the story will repeat at next boot
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01:27<Kryptik>UTC=yes ?
01:27<jm_>that one yes
01:27<jm_>!set time
01:27<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
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01:28<thursdayx>I have the most awkward debian porting question.
01:28<olasd>jm_: well, yeah, you're right
01:28<Kryptik>The rest of the vps' are correct though.
01:28<Kryptik>either way, I did install ntp
01:29<jm_>Kryptik: also check your timezone setting
01:29<Kryptik>I've just used ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/EST /etc/localtime
01:29<Kryptik>I removed it though.
01:30<Kryptik>Just to make sure utc is correct.
01:30<olasd>we're in EDT right now
01:30<Kryptik>Right, but utc is off by 1 hour
01:30<Kryptik>it's 1 hour behind what it should be.
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01:31<olasd>you should use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to get the geographic data though
01:31<Kryptik>Haven't done that yet. One second.
01:31<rocky_balboa>good night
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01:33<thursdayx>Does anyone here have a g1 and think it'd be possible to completely remove android, and install debian and use it as a mini computer? I realize it would take lots of configuration.
01:34<Kryptik>I think that may have fixed it...
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01:37<Kryptik>So EST5EDT is the correct localtime setting apparently?
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01:37<jm_>thursdayx: there are debian on g1 howtos
01:37<uchiha88>hi all
01:37<thursdayx>Either everyone is sleeping or thinks i'm nuts.
01:38<uchiha88>anybody know how to install adobe flash
01:38<thursdayx>... yes but isn't that to run it on top of/alongside android?
01:39<olasd>dpkg: tell uchiha88 about adobe flash
01:40<Kryptik>botfart @_@
01:40<Kryptik>like a brainfart but...yeah
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01:42<Kryptik>So is there going to be a problem with DST or something if I have it configured like this?
01:42<thursdayx>jm_: i meant more as like running debian on the device without android whatsoever, and even learning how to maybe make a video driver for this thing.
01:43<uchiha88>could help me out
01:43<olasd>!adobe flash
01:43<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta>
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01:43<Kryptik>I don't understand why if the CDT is correct and UTC is correct, why setting localtime to EST wouldn't also be correct, but off by an hour instead.
01:44<olasd>Kryptik: erm
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01:44<jm_>thursdayx: yes, I am only aware of doing it that way
01:45<Kryptik>/usr/share/zoneinfo/EST is showing the incorrect time for me
01:45<Kryptik>same as CDT
01:45<thursdayx>Ah... see I am too... but I no longer use my G1 as a phone @ jm_
01:45<Kryptik>EST5EDT is showing the correct time
01:45<Kryptik>and /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern is showing the correct time as well..
01:45<thursdayx>jm_: wouldn't it be sweet to have my g1 as a fully functional debian device?
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01:46<olasd>Kryptik: well, EST is Eastern Standard time
01:46<olasd>which is in use during the winter
01:46<Kryptik>oh blah
01:46<Kryptik>Okay the question then is
01:46<jm_>thursdayx: but doesn't the method of having it alongside android do that?
01:46<Kryptik>if I'm using US/Eastern, will I run into DST issues?
01:47*EmleyMoor much prefers the Continent/City style of timezone
01:47<olasd>Kryptik: US/Eastern is "smart", as in switches between EST and EDT at the right second
01:47<thursdayx>Yes... but to get X11 one must VNC back to localhost on the device...
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01:47<EmleyMoor>Kryptik: If it's right now it should stayf right, and follow DST
01:47<thursdayx>At which point... there's a lot of processes running on the device jm_
01:47<Kryptik>Well that's good.
01:47<thursdayx>I am going for battery maximum.
01:48<thursdayx>More processes = more battery drain.
01:48<olasd>Kryptik: as a guideline, you should always use /usr/share/zoneinfo/Continent/City as EmleyMoor suggested
01:48<Kryptik>Why is that
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01:48<olasd>because they are smart zones
01:48<EmleyMoor>Kryptik: It is kept up to date and is smart
01:48<thursdayx>jm_: If there was a way... to shut off all the other services besides wi-fi and sd access on the g1,
01:48<thursdayx>just very very core services.
01:48<jm_>thursdayx: hmm maybe check on their wiki/mailing list then
01:49<Kryptik>Okay so...
01:49*Kryptik looks
01:49<olasd>if somehow someone decides to make the clock jump 2 hours in summer, well, Continent/City will support it
01:49<thursdayx>and then load debian automatically via a startup script that might work too...
01:49<Kryptik>Hrm? o.O
01:49<thursdayx>jm_: whose... Androids?
01:49<jm_>thursdayx: yup
01:49<olasd>(well, tzdata would have to be updated)
01:49<Kryptik>I don't want it to jump 2 hours. >_<
01:50<Kryptik>You mean it will avoid the jump?
01:50<olasd>I mean it will always display the correct local time
01:50<olasd>whatever weirdness the Daylight Saving Time hides
01:51<EmleyMoor>Kryptik: As long as the data is kept up to date it will always follow the time in that city - even if it is moved to another zone.
01:51<Kryptik>I hate time.. >_>
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01:51*EmleyMoor remembers explaining to a friend the reason why he used "Asia/Harbin" in an asterisk dialscript
01:51<Kryptik>Okay so...
01:52<thursdayx>Well... honestly I just thought of something... custom make android the way I want, and try to integrate some debian aspects... though that seems like it'd get into the more difficult territory
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01:52<Kryptik>It'd be nice if I could set the time to orlando or tampa...
01:52<Kryptik>but anyways
01:52<jm_>they can't add every village to TZ database
01:52*jm_ runs
01:53<EmleyMoor>America/New_York will probably do
01:53<thursdayx>Kryptik... you probably want New York/America if you live in florida.
01:53<Kryptik>Village? lol
01:54<thursdayx>Unless there's some weird portion that falls in CST... and then you'd want Chicago
01:54<Kryptik>Nope. I want it EST.
01:54<snogglethorpe>it always sort of annoys me that all the time zone names seem to involve long hyphenated city names...
01:54<snogglethorpe>e.g. America/Los_Angeles
01:54<Kryptik>yeah...I don't get why it's not just standardized completely.
01:55<olasd>Kryptik: well, as a mater of fact it *is* standardized
01:55<Kryptik>I get why you're saying this would be good for towns but I don't get how US/Eastern is going to be any better than America/New_York
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01:56<Kryptik>When I say standardized, I mean one choice per time zone that is correct, period.
01:56<thursdayx>Well I'm diving into debian on my G1 to see how it... uh... performs (craps out) ;) brb
01:56<EmleyMoor>Kryptik: In your case it is never likely to make a difference - however, America/New_York is the modern way to do it...
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01:56<Kryptik>It makes no logical sense that the time in New_York would be any better or worse to synchronize to for someone in Florida than the standard eastern timezone.
01:57<Kryptik>That's all I mean.
01:57<EmleyMoor>Kryptik: Suppose they decided to move everywhere on New York's time one zone to the west...
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01:58<EmleyMoor>(why they would is another matter)
01:58<Kryptik>Why would that be done? >_<
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01:58<olasd>Kryptik: ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/My_Lovely_Florida_City ? :)
01:58<Kryptik>I know, but didn't olasd say US/Eastern is smart like America/New_York too?
01:58<Kryptik>Nah...I'm just using New_York
01:58<Kryptik>I'm just saying, it seems rather silly.
01:59<EmleyMoor>China is all on the same time whereas it should be five or so based on its size
01:59<EmleyMoor>Asia/Harbin may not necessarily at some point in the future be the same as Asia/Shanghai
01:59<Kryptik>Yeah...but they just learned about industrialization and started utilizing it about 60 years ago.
01:59<olasd>EmleyMoor: same goes for western continental Europe (well excluding Portugal)
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02:00<EmleyMoor>olasd: I hate the time changing as I go through the tunnel!
02:01<Kryptik>Tampa and Orlando aren't small cities, btw.
02:01<olasd>compared to NYC they are
02:01<Kryptik>They're rather large cities. Not compared to NYC, perhaps but almost no cities are large compared to NYC
02:01<Kryptik>There's a handful of cities that are as large as NYC in the world.
02:01<Kryptik>All cities are small compared to it.
02:01<olasd>I know that ;)
02:02<EmleyMoor>Kryptik: Yes - but the chances of them differing from New York (which is sometimes considered the capital of the world!) are vanishingly slim
02:02<Kryptik>It's not "my lovely florida city"
02:03<Kryptik>On the other hand, the file IS name /etc/localtime. :3
02:03<olasd>Kryptik: originally I'm from Paris, I hope you didn't take any offense ;)
02:03<Kryptik>ooooh boy.
02:03<Kryptik>My girl friend is originally from France.
02:04<EmleyMoor>There's no Europe/Birmingham, but there is Europe/Belfast - just in case Northern Ireland changes time
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02:04<Kryptik>Yeah, it seems silly to do that though. Do they actually change time ever?
02:04<snogglethorpe>what's weird is that nyc _feels_ small when I visit it...
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02:05<thursdayx>NYC is small...
02:05<snogglethorpe>granted, I never go outside of manhattan
02:05<olasd>snogglethorpe: that's because it is small (spatially)
02:05<thursdayx>There is much larger cities in the world.
02:05<Kryptik>Or is it all "just in case we do something we shouldn't" ?
02:05<snogglethorpe>olasd: but i'm not relaly talking about the size, rather the "feel"
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02:06<snogglethorpe>like... it oddly feels more "personal" than many big cities
02:07<jm_>Kryptik: time does change, it's not very common though
02:07<Kryptik>New York is 15 on the largest cities in the world. :P
02:07<snogglethorpe>go to washington sq park in the evening and it's like a family get-together
02:07<jm_>as in daylight savings etc.
02:07<snogglethorpe>if you happened to have a reallly large family
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02:08<Kryptik>jm_: that's not changing per city, though.
02:08<snogglethorpe>hm, wolfram alpha has a use!
02:08<olasd>well, I visited NYC for one week a few months ago and it felt *huge*. Maybe the slow-ish subway helps that feeling, I dunno
02:08<Kryptik>If you are a student it's great.
02:09*Kryptik owns :D
02:09<olasd>Kryptik: ahah.
02:09<thursdayx>So... I just quit smoking and it's very aggravating.
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02:10<thursdayx>Like "5 seconds ago" just quit.
02:10<thursdayx>I hate being broke, and stupid.
02:10<sney>nic fit nic fit
02:10<snogglethorpe>hmm, actually those alpha numbers are a bit dodgy
02:10<snogglethorpe>they're presented as fact with no pointers or explanation
02:10<olasd>aw, 2am already? :/
02:11<snogglethorpe>(equivalent google search turns up _much_ more useful info...)
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02:12<olasd>snogglethorpe: well yeah, but google won't give you the nutritional info for "three peanuts and a pinch of salt"!
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02:12<JoJoBa>hi everyone. is there spoonWEP on backtrack 4?
02:12<sney>!based on debian
02:12<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
02:13<snogglethorpe>so here's a somewhat less opaque list:
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02:13<thursdayx>olasd: night.
02:14<snogglethorpe>(a big problem is obviously the definition of "city", since many big cities actually have a rather small core)
02:14<EmleyMoor>New York and London both have huge populations if you look at the whole area (Greater London in London's case) but the cities themselves are smaller than most people realise
02:14<beer>is there any timeplan (or any plan for that mather) for Squeeze?
02:15<EmleyMoor>beer: It will be released when it is ready - and as yet there are no estimates
02:15<snogglethorpe>but the core is often extremely arbitrary, based mainly on historical accident, so it seems a fairly dodgy point of comparison
02:15<beer>EmleyMoor: K
02:15<snogglethorpe>(and wolfram alpha's list seems to be based on exactly that...)
02:15<snogglethorpe>(but since it includes no context at all with its result, you can't see that)
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02:16<EmleyMoor>Population of Greater London: 7512400
02:16<EmleyMoor>Population of the City of London: 2000
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02:16<LightVision>hi, I have a problem with a pci tvtuner and an usb webcam
02:16<LightVision>could somedoby help me, pls?
02:16<EmleyMoor>Er... 8000
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02:17<thursdayx>Maybe wolfram alpha, is really Alpha and Omega, and just plain knows... and has an "immaculately perfectly functional stable version of Sid" ;)
02:17<EmleyMoor>LightVision: What exactly is the problew
02:17<snogglethorpe>Population of the "City of London" grill and drink emporium: Loony Bill, "Rats" O'Connell
02:17<thursdayx>But seriously who is Wolfram Alpha?
02:17<snogglethorpe>thursdayx: wolfram's latest ego project
02:18*Kryptik shrugs
02:18<Kryptik>It's pretty bad ass though. :D
02:18<thursdayx>snogglethorpe: Ah.
02:18<thursdayx>Whomever he may be.
02:18<Kryptik>wolfram research is the parent corp.
02:18<snogglethorpe>thursdayx: he's the guy who made mathematica; he has an extremely large ego
02:19<thursdayx>I bet mine might be equivalent ;)
02:19<snogglethorpe>thursdayx: but see, you don't have lackeys, i'm betting
02:19<LightVision>I must force to load btt0 to video0 and usb-webcam to video1, but I don't know how
02:19<thursdayx>Oh but I do.
02:19<Kryptik>the guy that made mathematica? o.O
02:19<thursdayx>Although it is a sad thing to say that my skill in beguilement is only high enough to persuade mall rats to due my bidding.
02:20<snogglethorpe>well they could entrap your foes with their blubbery masses
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02:22<thursdayx>Funny also is that I go by Thursday at the mall, and it really is quite aweful when I introduce myself, people go... "Oh so you're Thursday"
02:22<beer>will amarok 2 and koffice 2 be part of squeeze or are they still to experimental ?
02:22<thursdayx>Which makes me wonder if they know about my disillusional day of trying to install linux on my christmas tree lights...
02:22<EmleyMoor>You don't have a sister called Tuesday do you?
02:23<thursdayx>... perhaps you meant Wednesday...
02:23<thursdayx>But no.
02:23<Kryptik>Hump day :D
02:23<thursdayx>My ex-girlfriend was known as Wednesday though, because I have no clue...
02:23<thursdayx>I at least have a reason for my Alias.
02:24<EmleyMoor>LightVision: Please don't /msg. I must depart now but there are module-related options that may help...
02:24*EmleyMoor was remembering an actress, Tuesday Weld
02:24<thursdayx>Ah, well I'm Thursday O'Connor... so =/
02:25<EmleyMoor>We have famous people over here called O'Connor...
02:26<EmleyMoor>Des, Tom and Sinead - unrelated
02:26<LightVision>maybe in modules should I put first bttv and second gspca?
02:26<thursdayx>I've heard of Sinead O'Connor somewhere before...
02:26<EmleyMoor>LightVision: That may help - you need to achieve that effect but whether TTWTDI is hard to say
02:28<EmleyMoor>thursdayx: Sinead is quite well known - particularly among younger people
02:28<LightVision>ok, both are functional, but the problem arise after restarting the system, when the video0 and video 1 are switched between them
02:28<EmleyMoor>LightVision: Yes - I haven't got time to dig deep to help you now but maybe someone else can
02:28<LightVision>tvtuner became video1 and webcam became video0
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02:29<Kryptik>Anyone have a good reference for iptable syntax that's a little more tutorial like or no0b friendly than the man pages? :3
02:29<LightVision>all a have to do is to keep tvtuner in video0 and webcam in video1 after a restart
02:30<EmleyMoor>I used to have similar fun with sound cards
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02:37<jm_>!tell Kryptik -about iptables tutorial
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02:56<LightVision>could somebody help me to set tvtuner to go on video0 and usb-webcam to go on video1 always?
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02:56<jm_>LightVision: load the modules in the desired order
02:57<jm_>udev rules might also help
02:58<LightVision>loading modules in desired order didn't work
02:59<Supaplex>maybe udev is influencing that
02:59<Supaplex>grep -rlF video1 /etc/udev/
03:00<LightVision>i guess so, but I didn't know how to do that
03:00<jm_>how do you know? perhaps the modules are loaded in initramfs phase and you didn't rebuild it?
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03:01<LightVision>i think no.
03:02<LightVision>My problem is the folowing
03:02<LightVision>I have a pci-tvtuner, which works
03:02<LightVision>I added an usb-webcam, with corect drivers, that works too
03:03<LightVision>tvtuner goes in video0 and webcam in video 1
03:03<LightVision>after restart, those two are sweeched, but functional.
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03:03<LightVision>How coud I prevent that sweetch
03:04<jm_>with module load order/udev rules, like already explained
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03:06<LightVision>and how?
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03:08<LightVision>excuse-me, I have to reboot, I guess I understand what you meen
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03:08<jm_>for the former set them in /etc/modules and rebuild initrd image, for the latter read "Writing udev rules" document
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03:11<jm_>I lied, it's /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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03:19<LightVision>nope, I didn't figured out
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03:22<jm_>I lied, it's /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
03:22<jm_>for the former set them in /etc/modules and rebuild initrd image, for the latter read "Writing udev rules" document
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03:27<thursdayx>Argh... does anyone know a partition editor for windows that supports creation of ext2 partitions without having to be loaded from a boot disk... cause frankly I just want to create a partition in ext2 on my g1...
03:27<thursdayx>wait i'll see if it has fdisk built in...
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03:28<thursdayx>ok... so how would I format some thing with fdisk that had two partitions on a 2gb device with 1200 mb fat as first and a 800 mb ext2 second?
03:29<jm_>fdisk doesn't format it, you need to use mkfs
03:31<thursdayx>no mkfs present
03:31<thursdayx>Just simple busybox functionality.
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03:32<jm_>it has mke2fs though, but not vfat
03:33<thursdayx>The g1 does?
03:33<thursdayx>or busybox?
03:33<thursdayx>Apparently a version of the recovery system contains parted
03:34<Kryptik>Thanks for the iptables tuto, btw jm_.
03:34<jm_>Kryptik: no worries
03:35<Kryptik>However, I'm still more or less a novice with linux/unix
03:35<thursdayx>jm_ alright well I'm going to install this new recovery image real quick.
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03:35<Kryptik>No idea how to compile the kernel (much less what it is, other than very important and I'm guessing the core of linux to an extent?) nor extensive shell scripting knowledge.
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03:36<Kryptik>How neccesary are those prerequisites he has listed there?
03:38<Kryptik>!tell Kryptik -about bash scripting tutorial
03:38<Kryptik>!tell Kryptik -about shell scripting tutorial
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03:38<Kryptik>pooh :/
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03:38<thursdayx>Kryptik Kernel compilation seems hard at first...
03:38<Kryptik>!tell Kryptik -about bash scripting
03:38<Kryptik>!tell Kryptik -about shell scripting
03:39<Kryptik>doesn't know what any of those are apparently :/
03:39<thursdayx>But learning what hardware you have and what it can do... are a good starting point before actually compiling your own
03:39<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable:, prepatch: 2.6.31-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.31-rc3-git3, 2.4:, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1
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03:40<Kryptik>so what about shell scripting? have a decent tuto to recommend for that or should I just find one?
03:41<jm_>Kryptik: you don't need to compile a kernel - Debian's kernel has all you need
03:41<jm_>Kryptik: for shell scripting read ABS HOWTO
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03:42<thursdayx>Yeah... Kernel recompilation is kind of nil in reasoning these days huh... unless you need it for a very specific reason, and have severe space constraints... i.e. A HTC Dream (tmobile g1)
03:42<Kryptik>Well, the iptable tuto you sent reads...
03:42<Kryptik>This document requires some previous knowledge about Linux/Unix, shell scripting, as well as how to compile your own kernel, and some simple knowledge about the kernel internals.
03:42<Kryptik>I have tried as much as possible to eradicate all prerequisites needed before fully grasping this document, but to some extent it is simply impossible to not need some previous knowledge.
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03:43<Kryptik>Don't wanna reinvent the wheel, but it's always nice to know where it comes from ;)
03:44<jm_>Kryptik: that pre-requisite is satisfied for Debian kernels
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03:48<thursdayx>wouldn't mkdosfs be the same as making a fat jm?
03:48<thursdayx>jm_ *
03:49<jm_>thursdayx: yup
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03:49<thursdayx>so how would one go about creating two partitions and making the first fat and the second ext2?
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03:51<jm_>partitions are created with fdisk, after that is done, use mkdosfs mke2fs to format them
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03:52<thursdayx>ok... if I can get parted installed on the device, would that be better?
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03:54<jm_>parted is just a more friendly version of fdisk
03:54<thursdayx>Yeah I kind of figured
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03:55<jm_>I wouldn't bother with it - if you can't use fdisk/mk* commands you have no business doing this to G1 :)
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03:56<thursdayx>I can... actually use them... more or less... I just don't want to mess it up as I haven't used fdisk since I bought my girlfriend's vista laptop which is allergic to linux, and all my linux drives in the house mysteriously died on me
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03:56<thursdayx>FFS my Ps3 won't even run Linux properly
03:57<jm_>hmm better read on how to be able to recover if you mess up
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04:03<Kryptos>hi #debian does anyone know if I can run WINE on Knoppix 6.1?
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04:31<thursdayx>So i'm assuming if it is telling me location 1200 is outside of the device /xxx/xxx/xxx
04:31<thursdayx>it means that it's not as large as I think it is.
04:32<thursdayx>How would I found the end of the blocks?
04:32<thursdayx>like ... 0 through ??
04:33<jm_>cat /proc/partitions
04:35<thursdayx>ok my device says major 179 minor 0 #blocks 969728
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04:40<thursdayx>I'm just guessing... but a 1g device begins with 0 and ends at 1024?
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04:41<jm_>969728 is number of 1024 byte blocks
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04:49<thursdayx>almost done
04:50<thursdayx>gonna load it up right as soon as android finishes loading
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05:02<thursdayx>wow... tar -xzvf takes a long time on the g1
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05:06<setog3>on a debian lenny, I need to use gcc-4.1 to compile a linux kernel, I installed gcc-4.1 package, but compilation fail with cc1 not found, any idea how to solve this ?
05:08<jm_>setog3: ell kernel to use gcc-4.1
05:09<setog3>jm_: I have done this replacing gcc by gcc-4.1 in Makefile : cc : gcc-4.1
05:09<jm_>setog3: there are two places, HOSTCC and CC, noneed to edit it, make CC=gcc-4.1 HOSTCC=gcc-4.1
05:10<setog3>ok I forgott hostcc thx
05:11<setog3>ah no.. same error here
05:12<setog3>gcc-4.1 : error trying to exec 'cc1' : execvp : No such file
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05:12<jm_>where are you getting gcc-4.1 from?
05:12<setog3>jm_: from lenny package gcc-4.1
05:13<thursdayx>installing linux to g1 is not all easy really
05:14<setog3>jm_: oh.. there is a problem with my gcc.. I try to use it to compile a hello_world.c file.. fail with same error..
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05:16<thursdayx>finally finishin up the un tarring
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05:17<thursdayx>Debian running ;)
05:18<jm_>setog3: type 'which gcc-4.1' without quotes
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05:19<setog3>jm_: /usb/bin/gcc-4.1
05:19<jm_>setog3: ok fine, install cpp-4.1
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05:20<jm_>setog3: but according to depends it should be installed already
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05:20<setog3>jm_: yes allready installed
05:20<Guest1384>does anyone have their dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze "freeze" with the last line as Common Unix Printing System: cupsd? (
05:21<setog3>jm_: but I have no cpp-4.1 (only cpp-4.3 in my /usr/bin/ )
05:21<Guest1384>i bassically cant use debian because of my hd4850 if i can't get into squeeze
05:21<jm_>setog3: cpp-4.1 package provides this, try reinstalling it
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05:22<setog3>jm_: I think that something went bad when I installed this package the first time, I purge and reinstall
05:22<setog3>thx jm
05:22<jm_>Guest1384: do you need CUPS?
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05:22<Guest1384>jm_, no i dont need to print things especially on that computer (gaming computer)
05:23<jm_>Guest1384: ok so make CUPS not start at boot
05:23<setog3>jm_: ok it works.. don't know what happened .. but thx
05:23<Guest1384>jm_, ctrl+c forces me to do dpkg --configure -a which redoes that whole cups thing and btw I have no GUI and i installed a desktop environment with the lenny installer
05:24<Guest1384>well GNOME bassically was installed
05:24<jm_>Guest1384: wait, this doesn't make sense - what does dpkg-reconfigure have to do with cups hanging at boot?
05:24<jm_>Guest1384: or am I misunderstanding and it's hanging during upgrade?
05:25<Guest1384>jm_, dpkg --configure -a yes it's hanging during an upgrade
05:25<Guest1384>from lenny --> squeeze
05:25<jm_>Guest1384: ahh ok sorry - open another terminal and check process status
05:25<jm_>or login on another tty
05:25<Guest1384>what command is that?
05:25<Guest1384>(to check process status)
05:26<jm_>ps auxw or pstree
05:26<jm_>so 'ps auxw' or 'pstree' without quotes
05:27<Guest1384>jm_, ok im installing ssh on it so i can paste commands from this computer
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05:30<Guest1384>jm_, ill be bak (rebooting into lenny because im in a live cd now)
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05:30<jm_>Guest1384: ok, in reality you don't need to reboot but then I'll have to explain more things ;)
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05:32<unixno0b>hello guys :) can you give me any suggestions on what keylogger to use in debian? no need for it to be hidden or small, im not planning install it anyone but myself :) seem to forget the passwordz i type :)
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05:33<thursdayx>... well really you should just use a wallet or keyring...
05:33<Lethalman_>lol I've never heard such an excuse :P
05:33<unixno0b>i need all i type :) not just a single passwords
05:34<jackyf>Lethalman_: hah
05:34<Lethalman_>hi jackyf :)
05:35*unixno0b is a scriptkiddie o_0
05:35<jackyf>hi Lethalman_ :)
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05:35<unixno0b>any other ideas, guys? =)
05:36<ml|>keepassx for passwords
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05:36<unixno0b>i need keylogger
05:36<unixno0b>im too lazy to mess with some tools and paste passes there everytime
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05:37<unixno0b>it won't solve all my problems
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05:37<Lethalman_>unixno0b, write a simple XGrabKey tool, with XAnyKey, XAnyModifier, in async mode and you're done :) no more than 20 lines of code
05:38<unixno0b>im second week on unix
05:38<unixno0b>i was windozecoder used to use windozeapi :D
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05:40<drgames>How to format a dvd-rw media? Wodim and dvd+rw-format can't do this.
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05:41<ml|>wodim can, man wodim
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05:42<deniz>jm_, sorry i had a little connection problem, are you still there?
05:42<drgames>if tried. but there was an error
05:43<deniz>jm_, im the guy with the cups issue
05:43<ml|>on gnome?
05:43<deniz>ml|, are you talking to me?
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05:43<ml|>no sorry to drgames
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05:44<drgames>wodim says: "Error: only support DVD+RW formating, ignoring."
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05:45<ml|>drgames: does your drive support DVD-RW?
05:46<drgames>ml|: yes. i just started windows and format the dvd-rw using nero. everything is fine now.
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05:47<jm_>deniz: right, it's hanging in postinst script, wait a bit
05:47<drgames>ml|: but i don't want to use this workaround everyday
05:47<deniz>jm_, i waited hours
05:47<jm_>deniz: no wait for me to come up with something
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05:47<deniz>jm_, o lol k
05:47<ml|>drgames: hmm, well maybe try using gnomebaker, brasero, or kb3
05:48<drgames>all of them i tried
05:48<drgames>they use wodim and dvd-rw as backand
05:49<drgames>so all of these burning programs can't format a dvd-rw media
05:50<jm_>deniz: cp -a /var/lib/dpkg/info/cups.postinst /tmp; then edit this file and put "set -x" without quotes as 2nd line, then run dpkg --pending --configure again
05:50<ml|>drgames: yes i know wodim is used by them it was worth a try tho, but you already did, sorry then have i no clue
05:51<ml|>drgames: it burns fine in linux after blanking in windows?
05:51<jm_>drgames: how did you call dvd+rw-format?
05:51<drgames>ml|: yes exacly it did. And i hoped there is an other backend tool that can format a dvd-rw media
05:52<deniz>jm_, the first command was to make a backup?
05:52<jm_>deniz: indeed
05:53<thursdayx>jm_: I have a question
05:53<jm_>thursdayx: ok, but only one!
05:53<drgames>a lot of combinations with and without force/black: dvd+rw-format -force /dev/dvd2
05:53<thursdayx>vncserver: the USER environment variable is not set
05:53<thursdayx>What does that mean?
05:53<jm_>dvd+rw-format --force=full ...
05:54<drgames>jm|: yes i tried it too. everytime with the following message: READ TRACK INFORMATION failed
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05:55<thursdayx>So let alone the fact I haven't even booted a graphics environment... the fact that I run debian on my phone now is amazing
05:55<drgames>jm|: i also tried different devices
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05:56<Lethalman_>anybody knows what package should I install to use octave and bode?
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05:58<jm_>thursdayx: it means what it says - it seems it wants this set for some reason
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05:58<Lethalman_>mh octave-control maybe
05:58<jm_>drgames: how about --blank=full?
05:58<thursdayx>yeah i'd figure based on the guide I was using, it'd have that set already.
05:58<drgames>jm_: i tried too
05:58<jm_>drgames: hmm it always worked fine for me
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05:59<jm_>thursdayx: verify with echo $USER - it might not be set if you're starting it at boot or somesuch
05:59<deniz>jm_, that didn't really do anything, do you want a pastebin?
05:59<drgames>jm_: on dvd-rw medias?
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05:59<jm_>drgames: yup, just needed the force option
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05:59<jm_>deniz: you didn't receive any extra output?
06:00<drgames>a ok, -force -blank=full?
06:00<jm_>drgames: IIRC just --force=full
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06:00<thursdayx>hang on hafta finish apt-get first my g1 only maxes to like 305kb/s on downloads
06:00<ml|>man wodim ;)
06:00<jm_>let me check if I have one - medium here that I can blank
06:01<drgames>jm_:--force=full don't work, but i dont' tried "--force -blank=full"
06:01<ml|>-force blank=all ?
06:02<deniz>jm_, can you paste the commands again because i cant find it (restarted comp)
06:02<deniz>jm_, found it nvm]
06:03<ml|>-force blank=all should work
06:03<drgames>let's try
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06:05<jm_>deniz: it finished
06:05<deniz>jm_, what do you mean? what finished?
06:05<jm_>deniz: dpkg
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06:06<jm_>gotta hate "-" media for long blanking times, it's still doing it
06:07<deniz>jm_, o i see, but my real issue is to get video card working, like nothing fancy just for it to work at all, why isn't it? ubuntu live cd works like a charm as of ubuntu 8.10 and i checked with apt-cache policy and radeonhd is installed
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06:07<jm_>deniz: it's likely ubuntu has newer driver
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06:08<ml|>i belive ubuntu uses envy to set that up
06:08<deniz>jm_, that sounds very unlikeely actually because as of ubuntu 8.04 it works (with bad resolution) and 8.10 with proper resolution but with lenny-->squeezed (now) it has no visuals at all
06:09<deniz>jm_, well i haven't checked with previous live cds
06:09<jm_>deniz: well why don't you verify it without speculating?
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06:09<deniz>jm_, no but ubuntu 8.04 is 12-18 months old
06:09<deniz>squeeze is new
06:09<jm_>deniz: but it was frozen long time ago
06:10<deniz>im sure debian supports it, it's just something i'm missing
06:10<jm_>verify both versions on and
06:10<deniz>jm_, im upgraded to squeeze (no longer etch)
06:10<drgames>tanks to ml|, it works: dvd+rw-format -force -blank=all /dev/dvd2
06:10<ansgar>Recent versions of Ubuntu seem to have a guest account, which differs from normal accounts as no data is preserved. Is there something similar for Debian?
06:10<ml|>jm_: so what syntax did you use to start the blanking process?
06:10<jm_>-force=full works for me
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06:10<jm_>waiting till it finishes to paste it
06:11<ml|>well he left
06:11<deniz>jm_, which version of ubuntu would you like me to compare it to?
06:11<jm_>deniz: the one you said it works in?
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06:11<jm_>it might be it works by putting it in sequential mode, one more reason to use + medi
06:12<deniz>jm_, with proper resolution? ubuntu 8.04 didn't have the res i wanted but it still worked
06:12<jm_>deniz: also check x logfile
06:13<deniz>squeeze is newer as expected and how do i check x logfile?
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06:14<Lethalman_>anybody addressing "Eeek! page_mapcount(page) went negative! (-1)" in lenny?
06:14<deniz>jm_, i think it has the exact same version of ubuntu 8.10
06:14<Lethalman_>I get several crashes by snort, logtail and so on
06:14<Lethalman_>swap is not used I don't know why
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06:14<jm_>deniz: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:15<ml|>deniz: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
06:15<ml|>too late
06:15<deniz>lol thanks (both of you)
06:16<deniz>im so exhausted i think im gonna leave after a bit more playin with debian
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06:16<jm_>wait where's our money first?
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06:17<deniz>well in the future i will pay it forward :)
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06:17<deniz>next year in skool one of my courses is computer science so ill basically end up being a package maintainer or something who knows
06:18<jm_>ok blanking done
06:19<deniz>jm_, what do you want me to check in there?
06:19<jm_>deniz: if it fails you usually find useful info in there - paste it on pastebin
06:20<ml|>man i have a set of dvdrw that refuse to work in any machine, i got robbed silly of me for not using them sooner, but i think i got a bad batch ;(
06:20<deniz>/var/log/Xorg.0.log is the x logs?
06:20<jm_>i had many rw media work for a while and then they stop working, not some el-cheapo ones either
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06:21<ml|>teah verbatim or however it's spelled
06:21<jm_>yup, i buy only verbatim
06:22<deniz>ml|, i have memorex dvds that dont install properly anymore
06:22<ml|>i really don't trust cd dvd media much
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06:22<deniz>jm_, it has so much information the terminal doesn't contain it all used cat to see the text since gedit doesn't work and nano is inconvenient
06:22<deniz>ml|, well you can make triple backups
06:22<ml|>deniz: learn vim :)
06:23<ml|>deniz: that would be waste of plastic
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06:24<deniz>ml|, you keep everything in hard drives?
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06:24<deniz>jm_, ml|, even vim doesn't allow me to scroll up and down to select all the text and copy it to paste it
06:24<ml|>deniz: you use try/use pastebinit
06:24<themill>deniz: nc 1234 < /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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06:25<ml|>deniz: in vim easy 'v shift-g y' :)
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06:25<deniz>themill, that command is convenient!
06:26<ml|>if you are on top already if not 'gg v shift-g y'
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06:28<ml|>deniz: install pastebinit and pastebinit -i /var/log/Xorg.0.log -a deniz
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06:29<deniz>ml|, took note of that thanks
06:29<deniz>just a random question: cutting trees is worse than using electricity right?
06:30<deniz>omg im so tired im gonna die
06:30<Nemoder>How do I get exim to authenticate with my ISP's smtp server? I created an entry in /etc/exim4/passwd.client but exim isn't using it to login.
06:30<ml|>that will pastebin to the best pastebin in my opinion
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06:31<ml|>deniz: it's all bad, moderation is the key
06:31<deniz>ml|, well i bought a wacom digital pen to replace paper, so am i doing the environment a favour?
06:32<deniz>i also find it much more convenient so that's good
06:32<ml|>well, you like it and use it right?
06:32<deniz>well when school starts so far i only helped people with math cuz of their summer skool
06:32<deniz>like by sending pdf files with colours and stuff
06:33<deniz>intially i was excited so i drew spiderman lol
06:33<deniz>i love spiderman :)
06:33<deniz>i cant wait for 4th movie
06:33<ml|>yeah if you are not printing pdf's that's good i think ;)
06:34<deniz>lol actually i find paper inconvenient, when my psp use to work i use to convert all my notes into .jpegs to study off my psp in metro etc cuz id rather have all my notes in my pocket
06:34<ml|>deniz: for topics like these you should /j #debian-offtopic
06:35<deniz>lol sorry im tired thats why i drifted off, i guess im in no shape to get my video working now lol
06:35<deniz>k so ill be back tomorrow, thanks jm_ and ml and themill!
06:36<ml|>good night or whatever
06:36<deniz>lol its like 6 or sumtin
06:36<deniz>k im gonna go seriously im up so late
06:36<ml|>then whatever ;)
06:36<deniz>lol bye
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06:39<jm_>Nemoder: I think debian exim wiki/page has info about smtp auth
06:39<jm_>deniz: you are not using radeon driver
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06:41<Nemoder>jm_: I cant find anything that is different than the docs that come with it
06:42<Nemoder>specific to debian that is
06:42<Nemoder>and all the docs say is to set it up for a smarthost and make an entry in passwd.client but it isn't even trying to login it just tries to send soon as it connects
06:44<jm_>Nemoder: this isn't something debian specific, but it has notes , you can usewhat kind of aith type?
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06:45<Nemoder>my isp returns AUTH LOGIN
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06:46<ml|>i get (EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0)
06:46<jm_>for auth login you need to enable it specially
06:46<jm_>ml|: ignore that
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06:48<ml|>jm_: was about to add more info, saw something about that in bts, save to say it's meaningless EE?
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06:49<jm_>ml|: yes, most people don't need type1 fonts
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06:49<ml|>meaning to ask about that but, always forget
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06:50<jm_>(those are postscript fonts)
06:50<Nemoder>jm_: I can't figure out how to do that, it says it requires TLS but that it should work automatically
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06:51<jm_>Nemoder: it's explained on the debian exim4 web page
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06:51<Nemoder>jm_: or do you mean I should enable sending clear text passwords?
06:51<ml|>ah, nvidia-xconfig should not add that then, should i remove that line from xorg.conf or just leave it as is?
06:51<Nemoder>jm_: I am looking at that now
06:51<jm_>Nemoder: yes that one
06:52<Nemoder>jm_: so there is no way to encrypt it?
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06:52<jm_>ml|: Debian also adds it since it's harmless
06:52<jm_>Nemoder: ahh no, you can use TLS connection (and should) if your ISP supports it
06:52<jm_>ml|: or rather, it added it in the past when it generated xorg.conf/XF86Config*
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06:53<Nemoder>jm_: how do I find out if my isp supports it?
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06:53<ml|>jm_: ok, thanks for the info, will leave it alone then and make myself a note :)
06:55<jm_>Nemoder: ask them? try to connect to ssmtp port?
06:55<jm_>Nemoder: swaks can be used to test it too
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06:58<Nemoder>*** STARTTLS not supported :(
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07:06<ml|>dpkg: wb
07:06<dpkg>thanks, ml|. It's good to be back.
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07:15<debianite>Hi, kernel drivers, built in or as loadable modules?
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07:16<mod-_>whichever you prefer, doesn't matter really
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07:23<debianite>vvas: What do you mean? Its the same thing?
07:24<jm_>functionality wise it's the same
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07:26<debianite>jm_:are't there any advantages in beeing built in?
07:27<jm_>debianite: yes, the biggest advantage for me is I don't need initrd crap
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07:28<amphi>OTOH, apart from stuff needed to mount /, modules are more convenient, I think
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07:28<jm_>they might be yes, at least if they support unloading it can help
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07:29<aios>привет всем
07:29<aios>кто тут русский есть?
07:29<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
07:30<vvas>yeah, on the one system that i compile my own kernel these days (my laptop), i compile everything as modules
07:30<vvas>so that when it comes back from suspend-to-disk, it won't have to waste time on driver initialisation
07:30<debianite>jm_: I'm asking this because wille compiling my kernel, I kow somme of the modules I need, so they could be built in, but I dont know if thats better or not.
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07:31<slept>where can I dissable the reboot option for a user when using gdm ? I had a look a gdmsetup, but that was no help
07:31<vvas>debianite: well, if you know that the module is going to *always* be loaded when you're running the kernel, you might as well build it in
07:32<aios>сука тут кто то по русски расгофарифает**,,,???
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07:32<debianite>vvas: one example is the ethernet driver, it will allways be loaded.
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07:32<amphi>debianite: my inclination is to build everything other than what's needed to mount / as modules; I'm on a laptop, so being able to unload various modules is useful, from a power-consumption PoV
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07:34<debianite>amphi: I'm on a laptop too, thats my anderstanding too, but wont that consume more ram memmory?
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07:38<vvas>yeah, a few kB
07:39<vvas>we're on the GB era, that's not something to worry about
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07:41<debianite>vvas: you make a good point there, I my self have 4G, and performance wise? Does it make any diference?
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07:41<slept>amphi, is there any module you really unload when using a laptop ? I can't think of any module consumeing power other than wlan switched on ...
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07:42<vvas>debianite: no
07:42<urbinek>how can i printout only maching pattern in seed ( now whole line )
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07:42<jm_>slept: people unload USB modules when not needed for example (although nowdays one can signal to disable power for it etc.)
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07:42<jm_>urbinek: in grep?
07:42<miguel>cpad-kernel-source was partially isntalled, and now i can not use aptitude anymore
07:42<miguel>because i get an error everytime
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07:42<miguel>is tehre some way to REMOVE the partially isntaleld package ?
07:42<urbinek>jm_: grep, seed whatever
07:43<vvas>ah, in sed
07:43<urbinek>jm_: i must filtr comment="blablabla" from file
07:43<debianite>slept: thats the one I like to unload, as I cant turn wlan off via hardware, i replaced my wlan card.
07:43<jm_>urbinek: grep -o 'urbinek' debian.log
07:43<wperz>hello ... I'm trying to install 5.02 ia64, but every time I burn a cd (brasero, nero) ... it won't boot ... it's not my drive, because my ubuntu disc boots fine
07:43<jm_>miguel: partially how?
07:43<miguel>something went wrong
07:43<jm_>wperz: use amd64 not ia64
07:44<jm_>what exactly went wrong?
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07:44<wperz>my debian live disc boots too, but I didn't see an option to install
07:44<urbinek>jm_: can i user regular expressions in it ?
07:44<urbinek>use *
07:44<wperz>even on a core2 duo?
07:44<jm_>urbinek: you have my permission
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07:44<jm_>yes, amd64 works with intel CPU-s
07:44<miguel>jm_ unfortunatelly i do not know, because it happened yesterday, while i tried to compile xen
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07:44<urbinek>jm_: arigatou :)
07:44<vvas>urbinek: yes, that's what grep does
07:44<wperz>ok ... I'll try it again ... hate to keep making coasters tho
07:44<jm_>miguel: ok, so try it now see what it says
07:45<vvas>wperz: ia64 is a completely different architecture made by intel, it has nothing to do with pc processors
07:45<wperz>k ... getting the amd64 from torrent now
07:46<urbinek>thx, searching how to do it in sed was a horror
07:46<jm_>miguel: cp -a /var/lib/dpkg/info/cpad-kernel-source.postinst /tmp; edit the file, put 'set -x' as 2nd line (without quotes), run dpkg --pending --configure
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07:47<miguel>oook ill try it, thx jm_!
07:47<vvas>urbinek: in sed i guess you can do something like s/.*\(your-regexp-goes-here\).*/\1/
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07:49<urbinek>was thx, but if it works with grep then i'll do it in grep, i don't like sed xD
07:49<vvas>of course :^)
07:49<jm_>miguel: note that this won't fix it, it will only help figuring out what is wrong
07:50<wperz>ugh ... only 2 people seeding that
07:50<themill>urbinek: grep -o ....
07:51<amphi>slept: uhci_hcd for one, the ethernet driver if I'm not using it
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07:53<wperz>If I burn the amd64 version and it won't boot off my cd, what else can I try?
07:53<slept>amphi, i don't think that there is any power consumption with no cable plugged in
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07:54<slept>amphi, did you acctually look at power consumtion values ?
07:54<ml|>wperz: did you verify the download and cd?
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07:55<jm_>wperz: x86 cd
07:56<wperz>x86=32 bit?
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07:57<wperz>well jm, I was hoping to get away from 32 bit ... i have 32 bit ubuntu running right now
07:57<fatzgenfatz>hello, i have a problem with compiling a software (xbmc) on sid. i get the message "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmms". which package do i have to install?
07:57<jm_>wperz: why?
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07:57<wperz>do I need the md5sums and the sha1sums to verify it?
07:57<jm_>fatzgenfatz: apt-file search libmss
07:58<jm_>mms even
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07:58<wperz>well ... I mostly transcode audio and video and was hoping for a performance boost, plus I have 4 gig and I was under the impression that 32 bit didn't use all of it
07:58<amphi>slept: yes; powertop is very useful ;)
07:59<fatzgenfatz>@jm_ thanks a lot!
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07:59<ml|>!check iso image
07:59<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum
07:59<jm_>I doubt you'll get any performance boost - to use all 4G of memory just use bigmem kernel with 32bit
07:59<jm_>fatzgenfatz: np, in general you need -dev package that it lists for compiling
08:00<ml|>wperz: i would use 32bit unless you really need what x64 offers
08:00<fatzgenfatz>@jm_: yes, i know. the config.log confused me. normally it says which file is missing and i can search for it on but this time it confused me :)
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08:03<wperz>@ml ... well at a minimum, I'd like to use all 4g of my memory
08:04<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need hacks like bigmem.
08:05<wperz>yikes ... I got a different md5sum
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08:05<ml|>wperz: like themill just said
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08:07<wperz>would I get a different md5sum if the iso were on an ntfs partition?
08:08<jm_>not if your hardware doesn't suck
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08:08<wperz>well ... it may ... I'm about to replace my pata drives next week
08:09<wperz>figured I may as well install a different os while I'm at it
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08:17<wperz>well my new download of amd64 matches the md5sum and I'm checking the burn now
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08:19<wperz>my main reason for trying 64 bit is that using mencoder for converting avi-dvd, I actually get slower performance with 2 threads than 1 (by about 20%)
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08:50<buffoon_work>hi! I have a squid server here which gives me read errors again and again when downloading large files
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08:50<buffoon_work>it says that the connection was reset by peer and gives me "Read Error"
08:51<buffoon_work>any suggestions where to look? on the Logs everything seems fine...
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09:09<drakeman>adb, good morning, u solver your problem making the isofile?
09:09<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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09:11<drakeman>ml|, sorry :D good morning!
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09:13<red_eyes>Please help me. I keep having this problem when I use apt:
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09:18<urbinek>red_eyes: apt-get -f install
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09:18<red_eyes>I tried that
09:18<ml|>red_eyes: try installing build-essential
09:19<red_eyes>It's not that the problem...
09:19<red_eyes>I am not trying to install make
09:19<red_eyes>My problem is that everytime I use apt, I have this error
09:19<urbinek>or apt-get build-dep [PACKAGE_THAT_YOU_WANT_COMPILE]
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09:19<urbinek>dep or deep, not sure ^^'
09:19<drakeman>hey urbinek .... free time xD
09:19<urbinek>drakeman: nope, at work :P
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09:22<drakeman>red_eyes, you already tried to reinstall dhcp3-client ? ---> aptitude clean && aptitude reinstall dhcp3-client?
09:22<red_eyes>I will try now
09:23<ml|>red_eyes: or did you try login out back in?
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09:23<drakeman>red_eyes, yes, try that too, because
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09:25<drakeman>red_eyes, you did what ml| said?
09:25<red_eyes>not yet
09:25<red_eyes>so I have to log out and login?
09:25<ml|>red_eyes: see line 17 and 19
09:25<ml|>just a hunch
09:26<themill>you've presumably for dpkg-reconfigure still running somewhere
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09:27<red_eyes>I'll read the process list
09:27<adb>drakeman: i now how to use debirf ..
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09:27<drakeman>!win adb
09:27<dpkg>Congratulations, adb! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
09:27<drakeman>adb now we can be friends >D hahaha
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09:28<drakeman>congratulations adb
09:28<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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09:28<red_eyes>thank you
09:28<red_eyes>it looks ok now
09:28<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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09:28<geniewgen>debian & ubuntu ?
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09:29<ml|>in #ubuntu on freenode
09:29<RieN>can one change motherboard to diffrent model and still keep same installation?
09:29<geniewgen>ok.. debian firever =)
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09:31<adb>drakeman: not so easy.. i'm still waiting _your_ debirf iso image ..
09:31<drakeman>adb, my imagee ???????????? :(
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09:32<ml|>dpkg: tell drakeman about iptables
09:32<ml|>dpkg: tell drakeman about iptables tutorial
09:32<drakeman>ml|, thanks xD
09:32<adb>ml|: apt-cache show debirf
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09:33<adb>drakeman: install debirf , and use it to do your image ..
09:34<drakeman>adb, xD, i have to read a lot of it firste :D
09:34<ml|>what are you guys trying to do?
09:34<drakeman>ml|, im trying to be friend with adb xD haha but he wants me to make an iso image with debirf.
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09:42<urbinek>what is wrong in this regexp ? >> grep -o 'comment=*disabled' user_kat_one_line.txt
09:42<urbinek>by * i mean anything that can be type from keyboard
09:42<kmap>urbinek: Then replace * by .*
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09:43<urbinek>kmap: arigatou
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09:43<kmap>. -> single character from keyboard. .* -> 0 or more characters together
09:43<kmap>urbinek: man grep for regexp details
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09:43<urbinek>kmap: thx :)
09:44<kmap>urbinek: No problems
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09:51<bluelite>also nochmal, un d ohne ironie
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09:51<bluelite>kann mir jemand helfen, ich hab etch und gnome und xcht installiert, aber xchat strtet nicht
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09:52<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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09:52<bluelite>und wofür ist dieser chatroom?
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09:53<jthomas_sb_>ist en
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09:54<ml|>jthomas_sb_: thanks :)
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09:54<jthomas_sb_>i made it up ;)
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10:03<hackndoes>Hi guys, can anyone check a site and tell me why can't i get streaming from it?
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10:04<hackndoes>it seems the media player plug in is not working, but i do get everything else, if it's in you tube (flash works) and other stuff. i can't put my mind on what is the problem
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10:06<craigevil>the site works here using mplayer and gecko-mediaplayer plugin
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10:08<Tenguch>dwendt: hi! are you in there?
10:10<Tenguch>dwendt: I'm trying to use your git version of vmbuilder (, and there are some errors (one I already corrected, can provide a git diff if you want, and the other... well, I'm working on it right now)
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10:21<yurikoles>please recomend me a downloader with support of mask
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10:22<yurikoles>where $$ is ineger from 0 to 20
10:22<yurikoles>where $$ is ineger from 00 to 20
10:22<buffoon_work>yurikoles, what about bash+wget?
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10:23<yurikoles>i wanna gui
10:23<Tenguch>or bash+curl :D
10:23<Tenguch>xterm + wget ? :D
10:23<yurikoles>i think there is over 9000 such progs
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10:24<shibin>i am having problem with swap file
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10:24<amphi>yurikoles: for i in $(seq -w 0 20; do wget$i.txt; done
10:24<yurikoles>oh thx
10:24<amphi>er, $(seq -w 0 20)
10:25<shibin>i am not able hibernate my computer as i have no swap partition
10:25<shibin>any help plz
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10:26<Tenguch>seq is just sooooo lovely :D
10:26<yurikoles>the cpp i wrote to generate links has 8 (sic!) strings
10:26<yurikoles>bash rullez
10:26<shibin>any help plz
10:26<Tenguch>sure bash rules.
10:27<amphi>shibin: make a swap partition? ;)
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10:27<Tenguch>shibin: no swap is maybe a bad idea...
10:27<adb>swap file ?
10:28<amphi>perhaps tuxonice can suspend to a swap file, rather than a partition, dunno
10:28<shibin>i have 2 gb ram
10:28<jthomas_sb_>shibin yeah make a swap file which needs to be at least as large as your RAM, and likely larger would be better
10:28<amphi>swsusp needs a partition as far as I know
10:29<shibin>i made a swap file of size 2 gb with dd cmd
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10:29<themill>Tenguch, amphi: seq not needed: for i in {1..20} .... if you are using bash
10:30<yurikoles>it works!
10:30<amphi>themill: that'll pad with zeroes?
10:30<Tenguch>themill: hmmm, that seems soooo.... perl :D
10:30<Tenguch>amphi: nope.
10:30<yurikoles>tuxonice dont work for me
10:30<yurikoles>debian kernels is patched with tuxonice?
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10:30<themill>amphi: ahh true... I didn't see that requirement
10:31<Tenguch>errrr... I just do a BIG mistake with a chroot : I rm -rf it while my /dev was still binded inside.....
10:31<amphi>themill: oh, nice, it does if you do {01..20}
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10:31<shibin>any help
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10:31<Tenguch>is there a way to re-create a /dev whithout rebooting ?
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10:31<amphi>themill: oh, no it doesn't - but it does in zsh ;)
10:31<themill>amphi: heh
10:32<shibin>is it not possible to hibernate without swap partition
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10:32<themill>shibin: you can hibernate to a swap file
10:32<shibin>it is not working for me
10:32<amphi>shibin: swsusp can't as far as I know
10:32<amphi>but perhaps tuxonice
10:33<yurikoles>dd count=2G if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile
10:33<yurikoles>mkswap swapfile; swapon swapfile
10:33<shibin>i made that.
10:34<yurikoles>maybe it will not work even if you had partition
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10:34<yurikoles>like in my case
10:34<themill>dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp
10:34<yurikoles>debian, ubuntu, opensuse cant hibernate my pc
10:34<yurikoles>win can )
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10:36<Lin>is there any tool for linux similar to HP-UX's glance?
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10:37<koollman>Lin: what does 'glance' do ?
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10:37<koollman>hmm I think I found a description
10:38<koollman>there's probably not a single tool gathering all this, yet.
10:38<Lin>koollman: glance monitor system states, and it know what a system/process/applications is doing, and if a process isnt doing anything, it shows what it is waiting for
10:38<Lin>koollman: it can do alerts too, but isnt important to me.
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10:39<yurikoles>>debian kernels is patched with tuxonice?
10:40<yurikoles>i cant change wallpaper in lxde
10:40<koollman>hmm. actually, there's 'glanceplus' from hp. commercial software
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10:40<Lin>koollman: im looking for a free software.
10:40<yurikoles>when i press mouse2 on desktop there is no such option
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10:40<koollman>that's what I understood.
10:41<Lin>koollman: the reason is, i have a web server running as guest (kvm) here, there is no lack of resources, but it takes 10 seconds to answer some http requests. I wish to know what it waiting for..
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10:42<yurikoles>when i do "ls -lah |grep txt" output is not colored
10:42<yurikoles>how to fix it?
10:42<Lin>yurikoles: no, cause output isnt a terminal, run with color=always
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10:43<Lin>yurikoles: check your .bashrc .
10:43<shibin>i did mkswap and swapon
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10:43<shibin>free show that 2gb exist
10:43<themill>yurikoles: do you want the output from ls or the output from grep to be coloured?
10:44<yurikoles>from grep ofcource
10:44<shibin>any help
10:44<yurikoles>swap exists?
10:44<themill>yurikoles: GREP_OPTIONS=--color=auto
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10:44<shibin>yes swap file exists
10:45<yurikoles>in bashrc?
10:45<Lin>alias ls='ls --color=auto' change to always
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10:45<themill>yurikoles: in whatever startup file you will use for however you are going to log in.... ~/.bashrc is probably where you want that (you'll need to export the variable too though)
10:47<yurikoles>i was always wandering. program uses ram + swap. when suspending2disk contents of ram is dumped to swap
10:47<shibin>what about swap file
10:47<yurikoles>but what is happening with current swap contents?
10:47<shibin>no idea
10:48<themill>some or all of the filesystem cache is dropped to make room for the suspend image
10:49<shibin>i dont hve a swap partition but hve a swap file
10:49<shibin>will i be able to hibernate
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10:51<shibin>any idea about swap file
10:51<adb>hibernate - save your computer's state to disk < man hibernate
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10:55<shibin>swap file???
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11:01<Tenguch>shibin: swap file is unsupported for hibernate..
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11:03<shibin>are sure Tenguch???
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11:04<Tenguch>shibin: """16:49 < adb> hibernate - save your computer's state to disk < man hibernate"""
11:04<Tenguch>not "file".
11:04<Tenguch>just suspend2ram.
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11:05<shibin>means no swap no hibernation
11:05<Tenguch>good guess.
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11:05<shibin>i have no swap partition so hibernation is not possible
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11:07<themill>"man 8 uswsusp.conf" claims you can use a swap file.
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11:08<RieN>Any one here ever changed motherboard with same installation?
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11:09<shibin>i also though so themill,will that work.
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11:11<panv>i just need an advice.
11:11<panv>i am doing some C programming .
11:12<panv>and i want to make a program that needs data structure.
11:12<panv>so, should i use database ??
11:12<panv>or can i just use structures and store my data in files />??
11:12<Lin>panv: or you can use a simple struct and read/write to a file.
11:13<Lin>databases are the same thing.. but just more complex, and with a fancy language to retrieve/store data
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11:13<Lin>panv: but use a real DB will make your job easier.
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11:14<marcel_>hi i connected to oftc but is this the same debian channel as on freenode?
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11:15<bja>marcel_: With a little more flavour maybe:)
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11:15<themill>dpkg: tell marcel_ about oftc move
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11:16<marcel_>themill: ty, ill stay here. i have issues with freenode anyway
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11:17<panv>Lin, so, what do you suggest ?
11:17<panv>normal structure and file is better ?
11:17<panv>because i know what i need from my data...
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11:27<hackndoes>craigevil, first i wanna say thanks for helping me and sorry for not being here, it's just that i thought you will answer directly to me so i will get an indication in the windows
11:28<hackndoes>and was on different windows thought no one helps me
11:28<hackndoes>craigevil, can you help me configure it to work?
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11:32<yurikoles>why LimeWire is not in debian? its has gpl license
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11:33<yurikoles>and deb package
11:33<hackndoes>craigevil, are you avail?
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11:34<kmap>!tell yurikoles about rfp
11:34<dpkg>hmm... limewire is better known as lamewire - yet another braindead java p2p client. Not in debian. see! GPL!
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11:38<hackndoes>i don't get any result doing, aptitude serach gecko-mediaplayer
11:38<hackndoes>why is that? not in repos?
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11:39<yurikoles>how to use nonlatin kayboard once
11:39<yurikoles>i dont wanna set it in xkd
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11:40<adb>serach* ?
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11:43<dbbolton> i think i have a serious problem with my system. it doesn't boot into a shell, but i still get dmsg output like when i plug in a usb mouse
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11:45<Tecna>I have firestarter setup to be restictive by default, and have no rules allowing anyhting. Shouldn't irc be blocked, too?
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11:47<hackndoes>please help me, i don't wanna make stupid mistakes. i am trying to install the gecko-mediaplayer, was told it would work on a site i like listening to music on but it's only available in testing. so i added (temporarily) the testing source and did a search it found it.
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11:48<hackndoes>now when i say install it wants to replace some packages from stable to testing on the system like libc6
11:48<hackndoes>not sure it's the right thing to do
11:48<yurikoles>just download package
11:48<bja>hackndoes: if dependencies are met by lenny get your sources.list back were they were, download it from the debian site directly and install it with dpkg -i
11:49<yurikoles>and install it via dpkg
11:49<yurikoles>if there is broken deps
11:49<hackndoes>oh, but would not it just the same download the dependencies as well?
11:49<yurikoles>enable testing repo and apt-get uodate; apt-get install -f
11:51<hackndoes>but wouldn't this install all the dependencies i just told you about? change my existing libc6 which is stable to the new one which is testing?
11:51<yurikoles>by default it would upgrade ALL dep
11:52<adb>judd: versions libc6
11:52<judd>adb: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.9-12 sid: 2.9-20
11:52<yurikoles>but maybe you dont want that
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11:53<hackndoes>but that is exactly what i am consulting you guys about, do i want that? testing is not stable, so do i want to make such a big update?
11:53<hackndoes>or are there other ways to install the gecko plugin on stable?
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11:56<yurikoles>!tell hackndoes about backports
11:57<yurikoles>i use testing, it works fine
11:57<horacio>i have a little problem with the debian lenny installer..
11:57<horacio>it keeps crashing on me..
11:57<yurikoles>even some packages from sid and ubuntu
11:58<yurikoles>all fine except fonts, they even wors than in lenny
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11:59<hackndoes>yurikoles, there are no backports for gecko-mediaplayer but thanks, good for general knowledge
11:59<hackndoes>so you say it's safe to upgrade all these packages despite me being on stable. this mix and match is safe you say?
11:59<yurikoles>i wanna set kb settings in testing. dpkg-reconfigure xorg
11:59<yurikoles>and there is no output
12:00<yurikoles>i suggest you running deb on desktop
12:00<yurikoles>i recemend you switch to testing
12:00<hackndoes>don't understand
12:01<yurikoles>u wanna install it on destop system?
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12:01<hackndoes>yes it's my desktop system, but stability is important
12:02<hackndoes>you say testing is stable enough? lenny only got out of testing a few months ago
12:02<yurikoles>testing is very stable now
12:02<hackndoes>OK, can you help do that?
12:02<hackndoes>will i need to do any backup?
12:02<dpkg>[testing] A continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>.
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12:03<yurikoles>in day when lenny released
12:03<Tecna>I have firestarter setup to be restictive by default, and have no rules allowing anyhting. Shouldn't irc be blocked, too?
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12:03<yurikoles>testing was a copy of lenny
12:03<yurikoles>!how testing become stable
12:04<hackndoes>yurikoles, OK. will you help with that? i am not a wizz in debian, just love it and getting to know it better and better in time
12:04<hackndoes>how do i upgrade without any configuration breaking etc.?
12:04<yurikoles>replace lenny with squeeze in your sources.list
12:04<yurikoles>or stable with testing
12:05<yurikoles>then apt-get dist-upgrade
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12:05<hackndoes>no backups needed? no configuration will be lost?
12:06<hackndoes>all /etc/init.d/ scripts keep there in tact?
12:06<yurikoles>install apt-listbugs to be sure
12:06<hackndoes>desktop configuration
12:06<yurikoles>it will tell you about all important things when you install/upgrade packages
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12:07<yurikoles>but it written in ruby and soooo sloooow
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12:07<yurikoles>make backup to be sure
12:07<hackndoes>thanks. so it's that simple?
12:07<yurikoles>just /etc and ~/.*
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12:08<yurikoles>but first clean browser cache
12:08<hackndoes>simply change every instance of "lenny" to "squeez" in sources and dist-upgrade?
12:08<yurikoles>but better to testing
12:09<hackndoes>what do you mean better to testing?
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12:09<hackndoes>oh, i am using some fonts i love, it keeps that too right?
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12:10<hackndoes>thanks i will do that in that case
12:10<yurikoles>>what do you mean better to testing?
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12:10<yurikoles>to the future releases
12:10<hackndoes>you said, "but better to testing"
12:11<yurikoles>you dont need to replace squeeze to %next_debian_name%
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12:12<hackndoes>yurikoles, sorry, i don't understand what you are trying to tell me. please can you explain it again?
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12:13<yurikoles>you better to always run testing
12:13<yurikoles>in the future stable will be symlink to squeeze
12:14<hackndoes>so should i use stable or squeeze?
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12:15<hackndoes>yes i meant testing. but my source contains lenny now. so each lenny should be changed to testing?
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12:16<yurikoles>to automate this press ctrl+h
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12:17<yurikoles>first select lenny than ctrl+h
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12:17<hackndoes>sure, find and replace
12:17<hackndoes>in gedit
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12:18<Spirit>i need xorg to use fluxbox, right?
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12:18<yurikoles>iceweasel 3.0.9 consumes 50-70% cpu
12:18<hackndoes>yurikoles, is it running in testing?
12:18<hackndoes>by default?
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12:19<hackndoes>is 3.09 the default version in testing?
12:19<hackndoes>OK, good
12:19<yurikoles>about 10 addons
12:19<yurikoles>and flash amd64
12:19<Spirit>blame flash
12:19<Spirit>if you are currently on a flash site
12:19<hackndoes>yurikoles, how do i use listbugs for that purpose?
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12:20<yurikoles>it will called automatically
12:20<yurikoles>on install/upgrade
12:20<hackndoes>OK thanks
12:20<yurikoles>>and flash amd64
12:20<hackndoes>see you lated
12:20<wperz>WOW !!! just installed 64 bit lenny 5.02 (was running ubuntu 9.04 32 bit) and all I can say is WOW ... a whole heck of a lot faster on boot and operation is so far phenomenal
12:20<yurikoles>~10 pages with flash
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12:21<wperz>gnome on this install is faster than xfce on ubuntu
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12:21<yurikoles>hardware and partition is the same?
12:22<wperz>I can't run utorrent under wine anymore, so I switched to transmission
12:22<wperz>yep ... same partitioning and ext3
12:22<yurikoles>u can use newer wine versions
12:22<amphi>wperz: rtorrent is nice, FWIW
12:22<wperz>I'll give rtorrent a try amphi
12:22<yurikoles>instructions on winehq
12:23<yurikoles>ktorrent is very cool
12:23<southernc>can someone look at a compile error for me and see what the problem is
12:23<yurikoles>very similar to uT
12:23<wperz>I found that utorrent just connects to a whole lot more peers and recycles the slow one
12:23<wperz>i used ktorrent for a while, and it just didn't connect to others like utorrent ... same settings too
12:23<yurikoles>it uses scrape by default
12:24<yurikoles>ut uses
12:24<marcel_>yurikoles: i prefer rtorrent, never tried ktorrent though
12:24<yurikoles>its disabled un many trackers
12:24<wperz>I guess I'll give it another try ... the one thing I missed about ktorrent is the 'average speed' line
12:24<yurikoles>scrape disabled
12:24<marcel_>yurikoles: yes ist is
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12:24<wperz>in the graphs
12:24<yurikoles>i even can be banned for that
12:25<ph0en1x>hi all
12:25<marcel_>yurikoles: you prolly use private trackers ;x
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12:25<wperz>well ... it's time for lunch ... thanks for all the input ... be back later
12:25<yurikoles>transmission in stable dont have DHT support
12:25<yurikoles>switch to testing
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12:27<jose>hi there
12:27<marcel_>hi jose
12:27<jose>a question about debian installation..
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12:28<bja>jose: Why did you change your nick?
12:28<jose>my name is Horacio Jose, i usually go by jose..
12:29<bja>And a few minutes ago by horacio :)
12:29<southernc> << can someone help with this compiling error please
12:29<wperz>how about rtorrent ... does it use dht by default?
12:30<yurikoles>man it
12:30<amphi>you can configure it to use dht or not, as you like; if I recall correctly it does use dht by default
12:30<marcel_>wperz: yes since nov 2007
12:30<Spirit>rtorrent is only for you if you can live without a gui
12:30<marcel_>wperz: a howto
12:30<Spirit>and not much usability once you have more than a couple torrents
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12:30<Spirit>and no per-torrent settings
12:31<wperz>thanks for the info ... I'd prefer the gui ... looks like I'm going to give ktorrent another try ... even though I prefer not to use kde apps ... not trying to start a holy war by that statement
12:32<marcel_>wperz: np
12:32<wperz>never heard of qtorrent
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12:33<wperz>ty .,.. just found it through a google search
12:33<yurikoles>southernc i haved same problem on ubuntu. nvidia module dont compiled for -rt kernel
12:33<wperz>man ... iceweasel is so much faster than firefox 3.1
12:33<marcel_>wperz: good always google first keke ;x
12:33<marcel_>wperz: what version iceweasel
12:34<yurikoles>same message about
12:34<yurikoles>>include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing
12:34<marcel_>wperz: iceweasel is the same as firefox iirc. just another logo and other image stuff
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12:34<yurikoles>see diff
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12:34<marcel_>wperz: strange than. suppected iceweasel to be >3.1
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12:35<wperz>I think I remember that about them being the same ... maybe its just the overall switch to 64 bit and to debian
12:35<southernc>yurikoles: right but i dont know hot to fix that
12:35<yurikoles>wperz: how many ram u have?
12:35<yurikoles>me too
12:35<yurikoles>reportbug it
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12:36<marcel_>wperz: use what fits you best i say! XD
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12:36<marcel_>wperz: but yeah debian is 'better' than ubuntu ofc haha debian is ubuntu older brother XD no wonder
12:36<marcel_>sorry not really formal awnser ;x
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12:38<marcel_>southernc: perhaps you have more luck in #linux? maybe no-one is arround right now who can help you
12:38<wperz>4 gb core2-duo 2.5 ghz
12:38<marcel_>southernc: or just wait ofcourse =)
12:39<southernc>mm trying to see if i can install it another weay
12:39<southernc>thanks anyway
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12:40<marcel_>good luck
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12:50<wperz>well I'm missing something in my install ... getting import error no module named qt
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13:02<wperz>anyone have some help for a qtorrent problem?
13:02<wperz>have qt3 installed
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13:18<GhostlyDeath>Hello, I am using GNOME and I am stuck
13:19<GhostlyDeath>I cannot task switch, toolbars have no effect
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13:19<GhostlyDeath>I cannot desktop switch either
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13:19<azeem_>GhostlyDeath: via keyboard shortcuts, or by clicking on the appropriate place on the bottom panel?
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13:20<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:20<GhostlyDeath>azeem_: neither have any effect
13:21<azeem_>GhostlyDeath: but otherwise, your keyboard/mouse behave properly?
13:21<GhostlyDeath>A new window popped up and now I can't even switch to another window by clicking on it
13:21<GhostlyDeath>they are working as they should
13:21<GhostlyDeath>I can use shortcuts to open terminals and run dialogs
13:21<GhostlyDeath>but I cannot move windows around
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13:23<GhostlyDeath>hmm, killy metacity did the trick
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13:42<Arrowmaster>if i am creating an lvm ontop of a fairly large hardware raid, would i want to still avoid going over 65k extents even if using lvm2? not sure if i want to use 64M or 128M for the extent size
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13:43<yurikoles>i reinstalled xorg and now i wont to configure keyboard layouts
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13:43<yurikoles>dpkg-reconfigure xorg prints nothing
13:43<yurikoles>its just dont work
13:44<adb>use X -configure ?
13:45<GhostlyDeath>n/window close
13:45<GhostlyDeath>damn n
13:46<yurikoles>oh, i have to shutdown X?
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13:47<adb>i don't think so
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13:51<wperz>ok ... trying to install amd64 dvdstyler ... not showing up in synaptic ... what do I need to add to sources.list?
13:52<GhostlyDeath>contrib and non-free there?
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13:52<Bunnyh>arrowmaster, I seem to have over a million physical extents on my logical volume that's on a 4TB raid5
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13:53<Arrowmaster>wow thats a lot
13:53<Bunnyh>I only heard about the limit after setting that up, and my raid setup certainly seems to contradict that limit. (And it also works :)
13:54<adb>wperz: is `dvdstyler` the debian name of pkg ?
13:54<adb>wperz: running lenny ?
13:54<Arrowmaster>limit seems to only be for lvm1 and not lvm2, but what im reading says that having too many can negativly impact prefromance of some tools
13:54<wperz>yes ... running lenny 5.02 ...
13:54<Bunnyh>But I don't see why I would explicitly want to use the 4MB PE size I'm using now, I just didn't think about it at all.
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13:55<Bunnyh>I'd choose 64MB or 128MB the next time
13:55<wperz>oops ... pasted wrong thing ... ignore
13:55<Arrowmaster>yeah thats what im debating right now, 64MB for 80000 or 128MB for 40000
13:55<yurikoles>1)launch iceweasel
13:55<adb>wperz: this is ubuntu ..
13:56<yurikoles>2)choose deb search
13:56<wperz>yes adb ... ooops
13:56<yurikoles>3)paste "dvdstyle"
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13:57<Bunnyh>The articles about the limit are even quite recent, so I can only wonder why my setup works..
13:57<valdyn>Bunnyh: being on amd64 when the article is about 32-bit cpu systems?
13:58<Bunnyh>No, I'm using the x86 kernel, although I do have a 64bit processor
13:58<wperz>yurikoles: deb search?
13:58<wperz>what... a menu option?
13:58<valdyn>Bunnyh: wheres the link to that article?
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14:00<wperz>ok ... do I need to save and install each of the dependencies individually?
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14:01<adb>wperz: use that sources list >
14:01<adb>dpkg: tell wperz about dmm lenny
14:01<adb>dpkg: tell wperz search
14:01<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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14:02<wperz>thanks for all your help yuri ... as you can tell I'm a deb nOOb
14:02<yurikoles>>i don't think so
14:02<yurikoles>Server is already active for display 0
14:03<valdyn>Bunnyh: the manpage this article links to is already wrong
14:03<Arrowmaster>Bunnyh: ok i think ill go with 128 then for my 4.55TiB raid6
14:03<valdyn>Bunnyh: its the manpage to lvm version 1
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14:04<yurikoles>iceweasel twitch when I switch tabs
14:04<yurikoles>how to fix? it's REALLY annoying
14:04<valdyn>Bunnyh: debian has lvm - LVM2 tools and that manpage is
14:04<valdyn>lvm - Linux Logical Volume Manager
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14:06<valdyn>and is also wrong, heh
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14:06<Bunnyh>Thanks for the clarification, I just checked the date and thought it was recent, maybe some guys are still running LVM1 then
14:07<valdyn>Bunnyh: hardly, lvm1 is not supported by 2.6 kernel iirc
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14:08<valdyn>Bunnyh: the blog could be referring to lvm2 but from 2006
14:09<valdyn>to bad the lvm2 manpage has no LIMITS section at all
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14:14<wperz>cool .. now I have 1.7.1 of dvdstyler installed ...
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14:15<stuckey>Whic 32-bit libraries do I need to install to run a 32-bit application?
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14:18<petern>simply... whichever libraries the app needs...
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14:20<stuckey>petern: How do I determine that?
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14:22<rumbarg>man ldd
14:24<rumbarg>is there a debian package for the application you havein mind ?
14:24<stuckey>rumbarg: No, unfortunately not.
14:24<rumbarg>ah, that's a pain.
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14:25<stuckey>So this would be a lot of trouble?
14:25<stuckey>They should have released it in a 64 bit version
14:25<rumbarg>It depends on how many dependencies there are...
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14:26<rumbarg>there's a saying 'welcome to dependency hell' :0
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14:32<stuckey>rumbarg: I'm reading on the page and it says "for 64 bit 32 bit enviroment must be installed"
14:32<stuckey>and it says, needs glib 2.3
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14:34<rumbarg>stuckey: I've seen references to that stuff, but won't be able to help, I fear...
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14:51<Spirit>aloha, i had a python app crash on me and the developer said it is some of the Debian libraries' fault, so here you go: :)
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14:56<yurikoles>i launched Penumra Overture Demo and it was out of my monitor's freequency range
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14:57<yurikoles>how to configure xorg to autodetect frequency
14:59<cahoot>not disabling readEDID?
14:59<Spirit>i think you rather want to ask the penumbra guys about how to setup their game correctly
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15:00<yurikoles>this often happens with games on wine
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15:03<ml|>maybe try adding the appropriate lines for you monitor in xorg.conf
15:04<yurikoles>I founded ubuntu wiki article X/AutodetectMonitorFrequency
15:04<yurikoles>but it's too large
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15:05<ml|>all you need are a few lines
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15:06<yurikoles>tell me
15:07<ml|>do you know your monitors specs?
15:07<yurikoles>ubuntu has autodetect option
15:07<ml|>are you using ubuntu?
15:08<yurikoles>i was
15:09<yurikoles>and another problem is that packages that i installed from sid and karmic and then removed
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15:10<yurikoles>apt recommends me to upgrade to them
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15:10<ml|>why is karmic in your sources.list?
15:10<yurikoles>mabe delete apt cache?
15:10<ml|> packages that i installed from sid and karmic
15:10<yurikoles>is it safe?
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15:11<yurikoles>they was
15:11<yurikoles>in testing nvidia driver is very outdated
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15:12<ml|>so stay in testing and use unstables nvidia driver
15:12<yurikoles>in sid nvidia-glx-ia32 has missing dependecies
15:12<stuckey>error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:12<stuckey>I get that while trying to run a program...
15:12<yurikoles>its 32bit and u using amd64 debian?
15:12<yurikoles>install nvidia-glx-ia32
15:13<yurikoles>or official nvidia driver like i did
15:13<yurikoles>but purge nvidia-glx before
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15:14<yurikoles>>in sid nvidia-glx-ia32 has missing dependecies
15:14<yurikoles>are u reading the channel?
15:15<yurikoles>>or official nvidia driver like i did, but purge nvidia-glx before
15:15<stuckey>yurikoles: still get the same error
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15:15<yurikoles>r u idiot?
15:15<stuckey>How do I make the dependencies work?
15:16<yurikoles>purge it!
15:16<stuckey>I did purge it!
15:16<Spirit>make a symlink from -> , not the cleanest thing to do but it works
15:16<yurikoles>and the install driver from nvidia
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15:16<stuckey>Spirit: how do I do that?
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15:16<yurikoles>dont do that!
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15:17<Spirit>ln -s /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/
15:18<stuckey>Spirit: same error
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15:18<Spirit>what does "ls /usr/lib/" tell you?
15:18<yurikoles>>its 32bit and u using amd64 debian?
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15:19<stuckey>Spirit: /usr/lib/
15:19<Spirit>hm, no idea then. but i would remove that symlink again (just remove the .so.1 file) so you don't run into weirdness later
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15:20<yurikoles>ITS x86 APP!
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15:20<yurikoles>he runs it on amd64
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15:20<stuckey>Yes, you're correct.
15:20<stuckey>Spirit: okay I did rm /usr/lib/
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15:23<stuckey>yurikoles: I won't be using something from nvidia's website. We have a repository.
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15:24<yurikoles>then use stable or testing
15:24<yurikoles>file bug
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15:24<ml|>!win stuckey
15:24<dpkg>Congratulations, stuckey! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza!
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15:27<yurikoles>!win stuckey
15:27<dpkg>Congratulations, stuckey! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
15:27<yurikoles>!win stuckey
15:27<mro>Is it possible to debootstrap an AMD64 installation from a i386 one?
15:27<yurikoles>it's awesome!
15:28<mro>I guess it's based on chroot, yes!
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15:31<yurikoles><ml|> what lines I need to wrote?
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15:33<chaoticmass>Debian Lenny: I just finished 'apt-get install xserver-xorg xdm icewm', it finished no problem, but startx does not exist. Used to be in Etch I would have it after installing xserver-xorg. What am I missing? Thanks in advance.
15:34<Kvant>xinit, i think
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15:37<dpkg>Nouveau is a project, with the goal of providing open-source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards. Current development status: . #nouveau on
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15:37<yurikoles>why there is no nouveau in D?
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15:37<ArSn>hi guys
15:37<stew>yurikoles: what is "D"?
15:37<dpkg>methinks d is a systems programming language. Its focus is on combining the power and high performance of C and C++ with the programmer productivity of modern languages like Ruby and Python. Special attention is given to the needs of quality assurance, documentation, management, portability and reliability., or uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
15:38<chaoticmass>Kvant: On a full Debian Lenny install I have startx, but this time I did a basic install and have been adding packages only as needed-- on a full debian install there is a startx script, but I can't figure out what package provides that script. I thought xserver-xorg did but apparently not.
15:38<stew>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
15:38<judd>stew: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -- experimental: 1:0.0.10~git+20090701+c0bf670-1
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15:38<ArSn>Is it in general purpose more recommended to do "just take the debian-ready package" or to compile the stuff by yourself? I am currently going to install ffmpeg and can't really decide
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15:39<stew>yurikoles: its in experimental. you might check the bts for that package
15:39<yurikoles>no way
15:39<yurikoles>compile by yourself
15:40<yurikoles>i suggest that debian disables many options
15:40<stew>ArSn: I don't know why you'd compile it yourself if there are packages available already
15:40<dpkg>i heard patents is the devils work and you can quote me on that., or patent search at, or, or and
15:40<ArSn>stew: Me too, but seems the package doesn't own the very last version...
15:40<stew>ArSn: if you need the non-free codecs not included in debian's ffmpeg package, use the one from debian-multimedia, /msg dpkg dmm
15:40<stew>judd: versions ffmpeg
15:40<judd>stew: ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8 etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1 lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090420-2 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090609-1 squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20090612-0.1 sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20090713-0.0
15:40<yurikoles>and also multithreading
15:41<chaoticmass>Okay, maybe my question is too hard. How about an easy one: How do I find out which package provides a file?
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15:41<dpkg>apt-file is, like, a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
15:41<ArSn>stew: thanks
15:42<yurikoles>>Second is to use MPlayer with the experimental multithreaded FFmpeg-mt branch, which allows you to use multiple cores/CPU. (all OS and CPU supported)
15:43<chaoticmass>yurikoles : thanks. I think with that information I can find out which package provides startx and install it.
15:43<stew>chaoticmass: aptitude install xorg
15:43<chaoticmass>stew: aha. I installed xserver-xorg but not xorg
15:43<yurikoles><ArSn> u have multicore cpu?
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15:44<ArSn>but thx anyways
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15:45<chaoticmass>Thanks stew, yurikoles. Bye.
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15:45<yurikoles>it has HT?
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15:50<jack>can someone walk me through how to setup vista with grub?
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15:52<stuckey>Someone on here told me to make a symlink for, so I did, but then they told me to delete it so I did "rm" and now I'm getting an error about not being able to find when I try to launch another program.
15:52<stuckey>Could someone offer me some help here?
15:53<yurikoles>man ln
15:54<bja>!beer yurikoles
15:54*dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for yurikoles
15:54<stuckey> was a symlink or an actual file?
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15:55<stuckey>I don't think that was a symlink... I think it was an actual file
15:56<yurikoles>i'm muslim and i dont drin alcohol
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15:59<stuckey>nevermind, I figured it out
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16:00<themill>s/figured it out/greycat told me what to do/
16:00<drakeman>hey themill !!!
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16:06<yurikoles>Mice cried, were pricked, but continued to GUZZLE a cactus
16:06<yurikoles>its a russian mem
16:06<yurikoles>Мыши плакали, кололись, но продолжали ЖРАТЬ кактус
16:07<azeem_>yurikoles: you're off-topic
16:07<yurikoles>its about stuckey's problem
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16:10<bossekr>hi, I'm looking for a package with the PERL module Email/ Any hits ?
16:11<adb>dpkg: tell bossekr about apt-file
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16:17<hdon>hi all. where did fonts go in Etch? i really want the Fixed font!
16:17<stew>hdon: the fixed font is in xfonts-base iirc
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16:20<yurikoles>whats wrong with fonts in testin? its very ugly
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16:21<s_i_m>yurikoles, adjust your fontconfig settings and/or install more fonts
16:22<yurikoles>why I need to do something? It must just work fine out-of-the-box!
16:22<s_i_m>you are in the wrong place then
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16:24<NoEffex>Alright, I have an interesting problem
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16:25<NoEffex>Basically, I have no firewall whatsoever
16:25<NoEffex>And yet
16:25<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:25<sney>if you're running linux that may not even be a problem
16:25<NoEffex>I cannot connect to any IPs, only hostnames
16:25<hdon>running "dpkg -L xfonts-base | grep -i fixed" doesn't yield anything :(
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16:25<sney>really? not the other way around? that is strange
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16:26<themill>hdon: the actual filename isn't called "fixed" though. Look at dpkg -L xfonts-base.
16:26<magyar_>hi, i have an odd issue with ssh client in lenny
16:26<hdon>themill: ah, i see... ok
16:26<magyar_>in 4.0 if a server had a binary banner, it was displayed properly, with 5.0 the banner is a bunch of gibberish
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16:27<s_i_m>NoEffex, the problem as you describe it is impossible.
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16:27<NoEffex>Well, no firewall that I know of
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16:28<NoEffex>No iptables, nothing
16:28<yurikoles>cat /etc/resolv.conf
16:28<NoEffex>I can't think of any configuration files that might limit me
16:28<yurikoles>purge networkmanager
16:28<NoEffex>I'm using wicd
16:28<NoEffex>I got the same stuff as in networkmanager, I thought that might be a problem
16:28<NoEffex>but I don't think either have anything to do with it
16:29<rajeev>Anybody worked with AWS, Eucalyptus and App Engine
16:29<hdon>stew: well on the system which lacks the "Fixed" font, i ran "dpkg -L xfonts-base|md5sum" and it gave the same result as on my Etch system. i guess that means "Fixed" is not in that package?
16:30<yurikoles>try usin opendns servers
16:30<wperz>so will debian perform automatic updates like ubuntu did by default, or do I have to change something?
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16:31<azeem_>wperz: it doesn't do automatic updates
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16:32<wperz>so I need to check with synaptic every day?
16:32<s_i_m>wperz, if you have for instance a standard gnome desktop installation, then yes.
16:32<stew>hdon: does "grep fixed /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-base.alias" return any matches?
16:32<NoEffex>Hmm, I don't seem to any opendns stuff on here, could dnsmasq black ips?
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16:32<wperz>oh ... ok, then yes
16:32<hackndoes>yurikoles, i have many problems after the upgrade, this is the output i get after telling the system to resolve dependencies ( can you help me get this fixed and working?
16:32<s_i_m>wperz, i mean it will search for updates
16:32<wperz>that's what I wanted
16:32<hackndoes>yurikoles, i am feeling lost...
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16:33<hdon>stew: oh my, yes
16:33<yurikoles>what commands did u use?
16:34<stew>hdon: then I don't think your system lacks the Fixed font
16:34<hdon>that's odd... according to dpkg -S, the xfonts-base.alias file is part of xfonts-base... but i should have the same file on my new system, which doesn't seem to have the Fixed font
16:34<hackndoes>what you said. i changed in sources each lenny with testing
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16:34<hackndoes>then i did aptitude update, and after that i did aptitude dist-upgrade
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16:35<yurikoles>i told use apt-get
16:35<hdon>the font just doesn't appear in any of the Gnome font selector dialogs :(
16:35<yurikoles>but anyway
16:36<yurikoles>gimme all log
16:36<stew>hdon: are the gnome font selector dialogs only showing scalable fonts?
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16:36<hackndoes>which log exactly?
16:37<yurikoles>the output of aptitude dist-upgrade
16:37<hackndoes>where is it stored?
16:37<hdon>stew: that seems very possible
16:37<yurikoles>in your terminal window
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16:38<hackndoes>oh from there i am not sure it's all there, can i run it again?
16:38<yurikoles>run aptitude
16:38<yurikoles>and press shift+U
16:38<gaurav>rajeev, start asking permission first before you starting sending people, files over IRC.
16:40<yurikoles>than g
16:40<rajeev>gaurav, i didn't send you a file, i open a dialogue and clicked on chat
16:40<hackndoes>yurikoles, it sais "some of the packages are broken and have been fixed:"
16:41<rajeev>i thought that Dialog is like PM
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16:41<hackndoes>did that
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16:41<hackndoes>become root i guess?
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16:42<rajeev>gaurav, btw how do u ask permission?
16:42<hackndoes>and then what?
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16:43<marcel_>rajeev: you just ask in the channel where you meet the channel if he/she want to pm. but question can be asked in public ofourse so more people can help or learn from it
16:44<marcel_>2nd channel == person XD
16:44<gaurav>rajeev, and
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16:44<hackndoes>yurikoles, what now?
16:45<rajeev>Thanks gaurav and marcel. I'm looking at the links
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16:45<ArSn>Does somebody know a good free ".flv-web-player"?
16:45<marcel_>rajeev: no problem
16:46<ideamonk>ArSn: hmm i play flv's in mplayer
16:46<azeem_>ArSn: swfde-gnome
16:46<ArSn>I mean for websites
16:46<ArSn>as flash applet
16:46<ArSn>just like any tube site does
16:46<rajeev>gaurav and marcel - why does your msg appear in red - do you PM me or everybody gets to see this msg?
16:46<hackndoes>yurikoles, what is it doing now
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16:47<yurikoles>are u using aptitude 1st time?
16:47<ideamonk>hey by the way i hope you know about copying Flash* files from /tmp to get the buffered videos :)
16:47<dpkg>well, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see
16:47<marcel_>rajeev: thats called highlighting. non its red again because i typed your name infront of this line
16:47<hackndoes>well i always use aptitude but only from console and only for search install things not anything else
16:47<ideamonk>is it possible to install gnome 2.26 on debian lenny ?
16:47<gaurav>rajeev, it appears in red because your name is spoken, everytime your name is spoken, you will see it in red to alert you. And everyone can see this message.
16:47<marcel_>rajeev: so you can easy see who wrote something specialy to you
16:48<ideamonk>is it possible to install gnome 2.26 on debian lenny ?
16:49<rajeev>wow thats cool, i was here to resolve some issues with Eclipse - Photran and linking issues
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16:50<ideamonk>has anyone tried out gnome 2.26 on debian 5.0 ?
16:50<hackndoes>yurikoles, what exactly am i supposed to read there?
16:51<yurikoles>i think its very simple program
16:51<hackndoes>no, i mean, what am i supposed to read from dpkg, what to ask it?
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16:51<yurikoles>just press g
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16:52<yurikoles>there is broken deps?
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16:52<hackndoes>it's still running
16:52<hackndoes>a lot of replacements
16:52<rajeev>I get some errors while using Photran with Eclipse, can someone tell me what is Error 127, i tried to modify bashrc file..
16:52<eldowan>I must be crazy, but I cannot find the page listing the debian repository mirror locations. Can someone please smack me upside the head and let me in on where I should be looking?
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16:53<dpkg>i heard debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>.
16:53<eldowan>yurikoles: Thanks!
16:53<yurikoles>>a lot of replacements
16:54<yurikoles>that is wath we wont hem to do
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16:54<hackndoes>, yes?
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16:55<hackndoes>yurikoles, should i answer yes?
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16:58<yurikoles>serious bugs of nspluginwrapper (1.0.0-1 -> 1.3.0-1) <unfixed>
16:58<yurikoles> #520189 - nspluginwrapper does not work on kernel 2.6.26
16:58<yurikoles>i lol'd
16:58<yurikoles>!bug 520189
16:58<hackndoes>yurikoles, it gave me ':' and pressing y did nothing, writing "yes" gave me a prompt "log file:" expecting me to write something
16:59<yurikoles>q than y
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16:59<hackndoes>sorry for being such a newbe :)
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17:01<hackndoes>why did you recommand apt-get dist-upgrade?
17:01<hackndoes>not aptitude?
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17:03<yurikoles>i'm not sure but i think they use differnt algorthms for resloving deps
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17:04<hackndoes>so apt-get should be better at this?
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17:04<hackndoes>because i was told once to only use one(choose and stick) and was recommanded to use aptitude cause it's better handling dependencies so i am confused :)
17:05<hackndoes>i got the same message for mplayer, want the diff?
17:06<yurikoles>why dont you try to figurate is by yourself?
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17:07<hackndoes>it seems like it's not important the changes there, but what i need now is to stabilize my system and i don't wanna make mistakes.
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17:08<hackndoes>yurikoles, i am not sure what is important for the configuration and what is not, so all the remarked lines, i don't know if they are important or not
17:08<s_i_m>yurikoles, hackndoes, most of the differences between apt-get and aptitude when it comes to dependencies are in the past now.
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17:08<yurikoles>keep it
17:08<s_i_m>at certain point aptitude was better.
17:09<hackndoes>s_i_m, thanks
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17:09<hackndoes>yurikoles, OK, what made you decide that?
17:10<yurikoles>>at certain point aptitude was better
17:10<yurikoles>if u use text user interface mode
17:11<yurikoles>the new config has no options
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17:24<sander_m>Hi. I have a problem with my input devices. I have a Debian box and a Windows box. My keyboard and mouse are connected via a KVM switch to both machines. On the Debian box I also have a trackball connected separately through USB. On Debian, my keyboard and trackball work but my mouse does not. It's not the hardware because the mouse works on the Windows machine.
17:24<sander_m>How can I debug this? How can I tell that Debian actually sees my mouse?
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17:29<hackndoes>yurikoles, sorry, something got broken and i didn't have internet connection
17:29<hackndoes>it was restarted so how do i know if everything is OK?
17:30<yurikoles>apt-get isntall -f -V
17:30<Jason1>The following packages have been kept back:
17:30<Jason1> libavcodec51 libavformat52
17:30<Jason1>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
17:31<hackndoes>yurikoles, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded
17:31<Jason1>how do I forceupgrade?
17:31<yurikoles>dpkg --audit
17:31<dpkg>yurikoles: are you smoking crack?
17:31<yurikoles>dpkg --audit
17:31<dpkg>yurikoles: bugger all, i dunno
17:32<hackndoes>yurikoles, is that OK?
17:32<yurikoles>upgrade it
17:32<yurikoles>did ran audit?
17:32<hackndoes>yurikoles, upgrade what?
17:32<Jason1>how do I forceupgrade on 2 files?
17:33<yurikoles>then press shift u then e
17:34<hackndoes>yurikoles, are you instructing me what to do? or Jason?
17:34<yurikoles>both )
17:34<Jason1>I'm confused
17:35<Jason1>I think I got it
17:35<Jason1>got a error
17:35<Jason1>how do I copy and paste?
17:35<hackndoes>yurikoles, should i do aptitude shift+u then press OK then e?
17:36<Jason1>aptitude then enter
17:36<Jason1>then u and then e
17:36<dr|z3d>Jason1: Pastebin, please.
17:36<hackndoes>yes Jason of course
17:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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17:37<Jason1>I'll use pastebinit
17:37<Jason1>but i'm in aptitude already
17:38<yurikoles>shift + select
17:39<yurikoles>did u read the help?
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17:39<Jason1>I tried
17:39<Jason1>but this lbocks me from seeing it
17:39<sander_m>Does anybody know how I can see a list of connected input devices (keyboards, mice)?
17:40<Jason1>good question
17:41<s_i_m>sander_m, lshal
17:41<sander_m>s_i_m: Thanks
17:41<s_i_m>that will give all devices hal knows of.
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17:42<hackndoes>yurikoles, i think i am all done
17:42<sander_m>yurikoles: It's a PS/2 mouse
17:42<hackndoes>yurikoles, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
17:43<yurikoles>The first package to install is debian-multimedia-keyring.
17:43<yurikoles>First download the debian-multimedia-keyring package.
17:43<s_i_m>yurikoles, not for mice or keyboards.
17:43<Jason1>for me yurikoles?
17:43<kop>sander_m : /sys/ contains everything the system knows of, but there's simply too much.
17:43<hackndoes>yurikoles, was it addressed to me?
17:44<hackndoes>with the multimedia-keyring?
17:44<hackndoes>oh, OK
17:44<yurikoles>but u may found it usefull
17:44<Jason1>now what?
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17:44<Jason1>will it fix the public key error?
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17:45<hackndoes>but it does not recognize that package
17:45<yurikoles>install it
17:45<Jason1>or what?
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17:46<yurikoles>Jason1: fires look at
17:46<yurikoles>dpkg -i
17:46<dpkg>yurikoles: I give up, what is it?
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17:46<hackndoes>yurikoles, should i download it manually and install with dpkg -i ?
17:46<yurikoles>dpkg GTFO!
17:46<dpkg>i heard gtfo is get the fsck out
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17:46<hackndoes>not in repos?
17:46<yurikoles>dpkg GTFO!
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17:48<hackndoes>yurikoles, got that,
17:48<hackndoes>what does it mean?
17:48<yurikoles>its ok
17:48<hackndoes>it sais it's installed?
17:49<Jason1>it won't let me
17:49<Jason1>guess I should stop using epihany
17:49<yurikoles>just right click and save asS
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17:50<sander_m>Okay, how's this for strange. HAL doesn't know about my PS/2 mouse. When I use it, it doesn't work. But something does happen when I click the mouse wheel on the mouse.
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17:50<yurikoles>yes, one key added
17:51<Jason1>I already did
17:51<hackndoes>yurikoles, I am sure i am saying that for other people and not only me when i say "YOU ARE THE MAN", you gave us a lot of your time, thank you
17:52<Jason1>ok I guess I have to study the reference card
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17:54<Jason1>I already saved and now what?
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17:54<Jason1>I am trying to remember how to install
17:55<Jason1>tar something
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17:57<Jason1>already did
17:57<Jason1>didn't ya see my pastebin?
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17:57<Jason1>oh wait
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17:58<Jason1>I downloaded and typed and got this
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18:03<doido>bt4 rt61 rt61pci
18:03<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:03<yurikoles>dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb
18:03<dpkg>package debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb is already installed
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18:04<Jason1>that's what I thought
18:04<Jason1>same error
18:04<yurikoles>dpkg -P libc6
18:04<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, yurikoles
18:05<yurikoles>nice try
18:05<Jason1>dpkg libc6
18:05<dpkg>well, libc6 is the GNU C libranry version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks.
18:05<Jason1>I'm not kidding.
18:05<Jason1>well come and see it yourself.
18:06<yurikoles>is it in current dir?
18:07<Jason1>oh wait let me try
18:07<Jason1>it was in wrong place
18:07<Jason1>I had to put it in /home
18:07<Jason1>ok it is working
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18:09<Jason1>ok now no more errors
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18:15<Goodtimes>hey guys, my apt-get is dying... it says that a file wont ungzip correctly... i tried to download it by itself and got the same error, could any of you guys double check for me/
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18:21<azeem_>Goodtimes: is round-robin DNS, you get a different mirror each time you access it
18:22<Goodtimes>everytime i try i get the same deal, could someone try to download it and ungzip it?
18:22<Goodtimes>maybe it got distributed?
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18:26<deniz>could having my hard drives partitioned as LVM cause my video card not to work or are they two completely unrelated issues? (im trying to figure out why debian lenny-->squeeze doesn't even work in 2d with my HD4850 and Ubuntu does without proprietary drivers)
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18:27<Goodtimes>could someone try out that gz and let me know if i am insane?
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18:28<Jason1>I'm insane, tyvm :P
18:30<azeem_>Goodtimes: downloads fine here
18:30<Goodtimes>try to unzip it
18:30<Goodtimes>it downloads fine for me too
18:30<azeem_>I don't see a problem with that either
18:30<stroyan>Goodtimes: I see a md5sum checksum of 5177723c47930ab1be09d59914e9607a for the Packages.gz file.
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18:31<Goodtimes>no errors gziping?
18:31<stroyan>Goodtimes: It unzips with no errors.
18:32<Goodtimes>thanks guys
18:32<Goodtimes>i got a totally different md5 sum too
18:32<adb>Release say `81d94bee285ab5b20d6f9ea5e5157cb1 5851846 main/binary-armel/Packages.bz2`
18:33<Goodtimes>d20be.... for me
18:33<stroyan>Goodtimes: Could you have a bad caching proxy?
18:33<azeem_>adb quoted the .bz2 md5sum
18:33<Goodtimes>i guess i will keep trying, the root of the cause is my apt-get is breaking trying to get that file
18:34<themill>Goodtimes: do you have an http proxy in the road? perhaps a transparent proxy?
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18:34<Goodtimes>i dont think so, i tried it on two different network
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18:35<d1mAs1k>Åñòü êòî æèâîé?
18:35<Goodtimes>ill try one more time
18:36<adb>oh , err was for sid , sorry
18:36<stroyan>Goodtimes: I do see a gunzip error if I fetch with ftp:// instead of http:// . That has an md5sum of c304c056f6f76997bc4f58a2c42fd616
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18:36<Goodtimes>ahh maybe i am getting it with ftp, ill check my sources.list
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18:38<Goodtimes>whats the folder sources.list.d?
18:39<themill>Goodtimes: man 5 sources.list
18:39<dpkg>in non-moronic language, directories
18:39<stroyan>Goodtimes: I did two more fetches with ftp:// and got two good files, (although with a different md5sum than the http:// delivered). Perhaps there are one or more bad servers out there.
18:40<mran>Hi, have you got any good tips for beginners?
18:40<Goodtimes>storyan: did you ever see bad files with http
18:40<deniz>how do i change the time of my clock using the terminal?
18:41<stroyan>Goodtimes: I only saw one bad file. It was using ftp. But it could be the luck of the draw.
18:41<mran>deniz.. ithink there is a "time" command
18:41<Goodtimes>thanks, ill update my sources.list with a non round robin ftp... see how that works
18:42<onur>deniz: you can change time and date with 'date' command. see man date
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18:42<mran>onur ...:)
18:42<mran>just misspeled
18:43<Jason1>jason@jason:~$ date
18:43<Jason1>Fri Jul 17 18:42:29 EDT 2009
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18:46<deniz>onur, thanks
18:46<deniz>mran, thanks also
18:46<mran>deniz :)
18:47<mran>it was real mistake
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18:50<Goodtimes>have you guys ever seen apt-get return an err sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
18:50<mran>people.. I'm first time using irssi and ofcourse i'm very impatient person :) I can send private message or or join paralelly another room?
18:50<onur>/help msg
18:50<mran>thank you
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18:53<kop>Goodtimes : No, but maybe you want to try another mirror.
18:53<mran>onur... i can't see any text when typying /help...
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18:53<onur>mran: look your status window
18:53<mran>how to do it?
18:54<mran>just...first time
18:54<onur>you can change window with meta + window numer. meta is alt key
18:54<mran>and impatient
18:55<mran>:) working hurraa! thanks
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18:55<onur>there is a doc for you:
18:55<mran>I know...but ...impatient :) thank you onur
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18:57<mran>at least i teste ping
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18:57<ml|>being impatient and using linux usually don't mix very well ;)
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18:58<mran>ml what should I say... we are different people...
18:58<yurikoles>what is linux-next tree?
18:58<mran>how patient could live in this world without others-imp[atient :)
18:59<dmoerner>it's a place to merge branches before they get to linus's tree to make sure the big branches don't conflict with each other
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19:14<yurikoles>what is difference between linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.30.y.git, linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git, and linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6-stable.git ?
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19:19<shze>trying to build linux-2.6 w/ pbuilder, I hit bug#524529, which is already archived w/o an obvious solution to me. how can I build linux-2.6 pkg, what am I missing?
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19:22<craigevil>shze: might ask in #kernelnewbies
19:22<shze>craigevil: although I'm talking about a deb pkg?
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19:27<themill>shze: do you use a base.tgz for your pbuilder or is it a regular directory?
19:27<shze>themill: the regular base.tgz, just updated
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19:28<themill>shze: "pbuilder --save-after-exec --exec apt-get install cpio" would probably be the easiest approach
19:30<shze>themill: yeah, I'll try that. still wondering about the archived bug report, which doesn't contain any solution though..
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19:33<themill>shze: work in progress, I think:
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19:38<shze>themill: thanks for the link. I should probably subscribe to that list ;)
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19:42<chaos>i'm trying to install lenny on a remote box with a kvm on it but when the netinstall image boots i see the four options i could choose from but i can't do anything
19:42<chaos>no response to keyboard
19:42<chaos>or mouse
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19:42<chaos>any ideas how to solve this problem or where i could find the answer cos google wasn't my friend :(
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19:46<bja>chaos be sure to discard hw trouble then come here for assistance, it looks like it is that
19:46<chaos>kvm works fine with the fedora i have on it now
19:46<chaos>i can access bios
19:46<stroyan>chaos: That sounds more like a kvm problem that an installer problem. But perhaps an automated install would be able to get past it.
19:48<chaos>i was hoping to get the chance to resize the partition first using the install cd :)
19:48<chaos>but i guess i'll use RIP or knoppix for that
19:48<bja>grml is also a choice
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19:49<southernc> << can someone help me with this compiling problem please
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19:52<adb>southernc: missing linux-headers-2.6.30-1 ?
19:53<southernc>i have bolth linux-headers-2.6.30-1-common and linux-headers-2.6.30-1-amd64
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19:55<ml|>sure looks like, they cannont be found
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19:55<adb>echo $PATH
19:56<southernc>echo $PATH
19:56<southernc>echo $PATH
19:56<southernc>gg /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
19:57<southernc>dpkg -l ii linux-headers-2.6.30-1-amd 2.6.30-2 Header files for Linux 2.6.30-1-amd64
19:57<dpkg>ii ii linux-headers-2.6.30-1-amd 2.6.30-2 Header files for Linux 2.6.30-1-amd64 2.4-3.1 southernc's private stamp collection
19:57<southernc>ii linux-headers-2.6.30-1-com 2.6.30-2 Common header files for Linux 2.6.30-1
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19:58<wperz>looking for some help compiling dvdstyler on lenny 502 amd64
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20:00<southernc>i actually get pretty much the same error whilwe trying to compile anything ...
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20:01<Jason1>how do I install skype
20:01<ml|>wperz: isn't that in the repos
20:02<craigevil>Jason1: dpkg -i or use the skype repo
20:02<wperz>on debian-multimedia, yes, but it hangs on me when I go to burn a dvd
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20:03<wperz>was hoping to compile the new version to fix the problem
20:03<ml|>wperz: there are other options apt-cache search helps
20:03<southernc>wperz: so what dont you know how to do ?
20:04<adb>wperz: used k3b wodim xcdroast ?
20:04<southernc>k3b works good
20:04<wperz>want to create a dvd from mpegs with a basic menu
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20:04<ml|>he's looking for crossplatform DVD Authoring System
20:05<wperz>ideally it would be xplatform, but all the windoze ones I've used have sucked speed wise on transcoding
20:05<dr|z3d>wperz: Cross platform? Try Nero.
20:05<wperz>for building dvd menus?
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20:06<Jason1>I tried installing and it won't install skype
20:06<southernc>nono use cucusoft it supports 64 bit transcoding it can transcode in half the time
20:06<craigevil>Jason1: when dpkg -i fails then you do apt-get -f install
20:06<craigevil>easier to just use the skype repo
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20:06<wperz>cucusoft on linux?
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20:07<Jason1>debian lenny
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20:07<southernc>windows or wine
20:07<Jason1>already did craigevil
20:07<adb> i got `I have no name!@localhost:/#` from chroot , lenny ; known issue ?
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20:08<southernc>whats in /etc/hosts ?
20:08<craigevil>Jason1: yes choose the Ethc, run dpkg -i pathtoskype.deb then when it fails run apt-get -f install
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20:08<Jason1>already did both
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20:09<craigevil>Jason1: never had any issues install it but i run sid, try using the skype repo
20:09<wperz>craigevil: used qdvdauthor before ... was way buggy on ubuntu 9.04 ...
20:10<craigevil>Jason1: add deb stable non-free to your sources.list
20:10<Jason1>I'm looking for the deb hhtP://
20:10<Jason1>oh yeah that
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20:11<Jason1>refresh me with sourcel ist
20:11<craigevil>wperz: you might try devede
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20:15<Jason1>gedit then what?
20:15<Jason1>gedit source.list?
20:15<wperz>craigevil: I think I tried that at one point ... eventually ended up settling on dvdstyler ... worked like a charm on 32 bit ... chokes on 64 bit
20:16<southernc>gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
20:16<Jason1>yes that
20:16<southernc>rtfm much ?
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20:18<Jason1>now apt-get upgrade?
20:18<ml|>aptitude update
20:18<southernc>or apt-get update
20:18<ml|>aptitude :)
20:18<southernc>apt-get :)
20:19<adb>!why aptitude
20:19<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
20:19<ml|>!beer adb
20:19*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for adb
20:19<craigevil>yes it will also try to remove half of your system if you have a package on hold
20:20<ml|>craigevil: hah
20:20<southernc>apt-get autoremove gets rid of uneeded dependencies too
20:20<craigevil>run kde or gnome and put an important lib on hold like kdelibs then do aptitude full-upgrade :) , while apt-get dist-upgrade holds all of the packages that depend on the held package
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20:21<Jason1>it won't let me install skype, aptitude removes it
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20:21<adb>craigevil: on sid only ..
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20:22<yurikoles>Jason1, try apt-gay
20:23<craigevil>Jason1: pastebin your sources.list
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20:23<Jason1>lol apt-gay LOL
20:23*vvas looks at dpkg's explanation of aptitude above
20:24<vvas>apt-get can also install and remove packages from the same command line
20:24<Jason1>I tried aptitude
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20:25<vvas>yurikoles: apt-get install pkg1 pkg2-
20:25<vvas>will install pkg1 and remove pkg2
20:25<yurikoles>how to purge?
20:25<vvas>--purge :^)
20:25<craigevil>apt-get purge
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20:26<vvas>ok, that's new
20:26<adb> apt-get install pkg1 pkg1-
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20:27<craigevil>Jason1: try adding contrib non-free to the first two lines
20:27<Jason1>like what?
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20:28<craigevil>deb lenny main contrib non-free < like that
20:28<Jason1>ah ok
20:28<craigevil>probably want to add it to the security lines as well
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20:30<Jason1>in skype?
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20:30<Jason1>or lenny?
20:30<craigevil>Jason1: take a look at > the Stable/Lenny section
20:32<craigevil>better yet just look at your sources.list with it added>
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20:34<Jason1>I'm confused
20:35<adb>go back to windows man
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20:35<Jason1>I will not.
20:35<yurikoles>>Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
20:35<yurikoles>>will install pkg1 and remove pkg2
20:36<Jason1>I've been in windows, and I get is errors and BSOD and all various errors.
20:36<Jason1>so I'm sticking withl inux
20:36<yurikoles>so you can't purge with apt-get in one command?
20:36<craigevil>ffs skype should install just fine all of the depends are in lenny in main, aptitude install skype should just work for you
20:36<yurikoles>buy a PS3
20:37<Jason1>I am not rich
20:37<Jason1>I got skype to work
20:37<Jason1>thanks to osurce.list
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20:38<Jason1>all set
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20:38<yurikoles>switch to ubuntu, they like noobs
20:39<adb>dpkg: tell Jason1 about enter
20:39<adb>dpkg: tell Jason1 about trolling
20:39<yurikoles>!tell Jason1 about ubuntu
20:39<Jason1>I'm not trolling.
20:40<Jason1>plus I used Ubuntu before.
20:40<adb>not enough it seems ..
20:41<vvas>Jason1: you're not trolling, but adb and yurikoles are
20:41<bja>adb: Jason1 i a little noob on linux, a little stuborn, but i don't think he is a troll
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20:41<vvas>after all, let's face it, "go back to windows" is about the worst advice you can get in a linux-oriented channel
20:41<Jason1>I'm just trying to get linux to work right :)
20:42<Jason1>yes correct, vvas
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20:42<bja>dpkg: tell Jason1 about unix lessons
20:42<Jason1>I thoughtl inux is different from unix
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20:43<bja>Jason1: apt-get install rutebook
20:43<bja>and read it
20:43<yurikoles>just wait couple months adn ChromeOS will be released
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20:44<Jason1>I already installed rutebook.
20:44<yurikoles>!wiki ChromeOS
20:44<vvas>yurikoles: die
20:44<Jason1>calm down.
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20:47<craigevil>Jason1: you might want to read apt-dpkg-ref and debian-refcard , both have very useful commands
20:47<bja>Jason1: And did you read it?
20:47<bja>Its useless anyother way
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20:48<Jason1>it say it's osolete
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20:50<bja>Jason1: For someone with the knowledge level of azeem, sure, for someone with your knowledge level, by no means
20:50<craigevil>the basic info in rute is useful
20:51<deniz>craigevil, is skype only for 32 bit?
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20:52<craigevil>there is a way to run it in 64bit, google for how to, its not just installing skype like in 32bit
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20:53<vvas>in lenny and older, you can just install ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk and then dpkg -i the 32-bit skype package, and it'll work
20:53<deniz>craigevil, well actually ive tried for a long type and even with --force-architecture, im having issues
20:53<vvas>in sid there's the whole ia32-apt-get thing, but that's a different story
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20:54<vvas>(that's my experience anyway)
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20:55<yurikoles>i tried to reinstall linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64
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20:55<Jason1>it works on me
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20:55<Jason1>I mean skype part
20:55<yurikoles>on you? o_O
20:56<Jason1>on my Debian.
20:56<yurikoles>any suggestions?
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20:57<Jason1>okie, what bit are you?
20:58<Jason1>32 or 64?
20:58<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis3.0/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
20:59<yurikoles>>(Reading database ... 500001 files and directories currently installed.)
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21:00<yurikoles>500000 get was so close
21:00<vvas>yurikoles: i guess you should be examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common to try and find out why it fails
21:00<yurikoles>i'm now installing nvidia-kernel-common
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21:01<yurikoles>same problem
21:01<yurikoles>good night
21:02<yurikoles>i have another kernels so i go sleepin
21:02<Jason1>can I have some corn kernels?
21:02<Jason1>lol it is a joke.
21:03<yurikoles>is sid vulnerable by recent bug in tun.c?
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21:05<yurikoles>i reported a bug
21:05<yurikoles>but i can't check the exploit because it doesn't compiles on amd64
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21:47<ROCKY`>cya all later :)
21:47<ROCKY`>I'm off to bed
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21:52<wachtel>please im trying to connect my sony mp3 walkman
21:52<wachtel>can someone help me
21:53<Jason1>in Debian?
21:53<wachtel>ubuntu exactly but this should be the same
21:54<wachtel>i want to mount the player to drag n drop files
21:54<Jason1>I'm sorry, refer to #ubuntu
21:54<wachtel>they cant help me
21:55<Jason1>well let me talk to #ubuntu
21:55<Jason1>I see.
21:55<Jason1>everyone is gone
21:55<wachtel>i tried it on euirc
21:56<wachtel>but i think its an ... ( sorry my english is bad) essential problem
21:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:56<Jason1>that's what I'm saying :)
21:56<wachtel>btw ... i tried it on berlios ( debian) an it doesnt works too
21:57<Jason1>I can help you
21:57<Jason1>ok. are it connect by usb?
21:58<wachtel>the player is displayed on the desktop as gphoto2://[usb:001,006]/
21:58<wachtel>i cant connect via usb
21:58-!-noflash_ [noflash@2001:5c0:1400:a:8000:0:cda7:61ee] has joined #debian
21:58<wachtel>or as a storrage
21:58<wachtel>i tried mtp but my knowledge is ... very bad
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21:59<Jason1>it's ok
21:59<Jason1>ok try lsusb for me please in the terminal, and tell me what it says
21:59<firefox>so.. I have completely purged x-window-system and xserver-xorg .. and reinstalled them.. I also did a dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg. for some reason its not making a xorg.conf
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22:00<adb>firefox:run, X -configure
22:00<wachtel>jason1 Bus 001 Device 006: ID 054c:0327 Sony Corp.
22:00<Jason1>let me look up the ID number in google.
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22:00<wachtel>btw mtp-detect shows something like an error
22:00<Jason1>tell me anyways?
22:01<adb>judd: pciid 054c:0327
22:01<judd>adb: [054c:0327] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
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22:01<Jason1>I have the same issue
22:01<Jason1>wow that's cool adb
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22:03<Jason1>I learned something
22:03<wachtel>i tried mtpfs
22:03<wachtel>root@quail:/home/wachtel# mtpfs /media/sony/
22:03<wachtel>root@quail:/home/wachtel# cd /media/sony
22:03<wachtel>bash: cd: /media/sony: Transport endpoint is not connected
22:03<firefox>adb, kk I will try that
22:05<Jason1>!tell about mtpfs
22:05<Jason1>ah. hm.
22:05<Jason1>you probably used the wrong command
22:06*olasd pokes at dpkg
22:06<dpkg>cd /usr/src/linux/Documentation; grep -r tmpfs *, or under Sid at least tmpfs is automatically mounted at boot time by /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs (no need to add it to fstab). you can change the default size of it by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. For performance reasons you can also mount temporary filesystems there such as /tmp with a line like "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0" in fstab
22:06<Jason1>I think it's broken
22:06<wachtel>man mtpfs is bad .. i used $mtpfs /media/sony
22:07<Jason1>I think your walkman is definely a storage device
22:07<Tekno_>dpkg is wise man
22:07<dpkg>Tekno_: are you smoking crack?
22:07<Jason1>dpkg I love you.
22:07<dpkg>The feeling's not mutual
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22:08<vvas>sounds like permission problems to me
22:08<wachtel>Jason1, perhaps i can mount it with pmount as a storage
22:09<vvas>wachtel: try adding your user to the plugdev group (and then logout and login again)
22:09<Jason1>vvas, I felt walkman is definely a storage device
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22:10<adb>it IS indeed
22:11<Jason1>Yes but why you want him to put the users in plugdev?
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22:11<wachtel>Jason1, when i klick the icon from the sony it shows gphoto2://[usb:001,006]/
22:11<wachtel>but i cant find a mountpoint
22:11<vvas>because from what he pasted, it looks like it might be a permissions problem
22:12<Jason1>try as root?
22:12<wachtel>as far as i know it is a littlebit difficulty to use the walkman as a storrage
22:14<Jason1>try to go to open as root
22:14<Jason1>but I don't remember how to change permission
22:14<Jason1>but I'd suggest to listen to others for advices
22:15<wachtel>my problem is ... i see the icon but no entry under ~/Desktop
22:15<Tekno_>do you have localizations
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22:16<Tekno_>so it can be like ~/Työpöytä
22:16<wachtel>dont know *G*
22:16<Tekno_>depending on language
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22:17<wachtel>oh... i installed a german system
22:18<wachtel>i think the terminal is multikulti
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22:19<wachtel>i try to use walkman since 3h ... all i want to do is go for a walk with my dog and listen some music *G*
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22:20<adb>wachtel: right click on usb and Open, says
22:20<wachtel>play with rhytmebox
22:21<adb>go on than
22:21<Jason1>no silly, listen to adb
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22:22<wachtel>it seems that it can read the storage space
22:22<adb>here you go
22:22<wachtel>btw i seems mtpfs tried to mount the device
22:23<wachtel>df: „/media/sony“: Transport endpoint is not connected
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22:30<rafao>chat english
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22:30<adb>yes Debian only
22:32<rafao>ok thanks
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22:33<thursdayx>Wow... i'm still connected.
22:34<wachtel>whats the best way to restart udev
22:34<olasd>no you're not
22:34<thursdayx>Amazing, I love comcast... I would've D/Ced 25 times by now with verizon
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22:35<thursdayx>Anyways... so... i think I'm going to try to get debian working natively on my G1
22:35<thursdayx>I've got debian running with lxde on it right now... via local vnc... but that's so hampered.
22:36<thursdayx>I'm going to have to learn C or something to make the drivers...
22:36<adb>wachtel: ls /media/ , show sony or so ?
22:36<wachtel>i created /media/sony
22:36<wachtel>how can i restart udev
22:36<Jason1>no no.
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22:37<Jason1>go to terminal and type "ls /media/" without quotes
22:37<wachtel>cdrom cdrom0 sony usb usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3 usb4 usb5 usb6 usb7
22:38<Jason1>wachtel learn to be patient :)
22:39<adb>!paste wachtel
22:39<dpkg>wachtel: put your output on so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
22:40<adb>dpkg: tell wachtel about paste
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22:40<Jason1>dpkg, the link is broken
22:40<dpkg>...but link is already something else...
22:40<adb>ls -al /dev/usb/ , paste output
22:41<adb>wachtel: ^^
22:41<Jason1>adb, when i'm at, it gives me this: Not Found: The requested URL /paste/ was not found on this server.
22:42<Jason1>wow this is a complex thing I ever seen wachtel
22:42<thursdayx> I think I want to make a custom version of Android for my HTC Dream incorporating parts of Debian
22:42<thursdayx>like dpkg and apt-get abilities would be sweet.
22:42<wachtel>i read that the player could work with usbmount ... but now i have to restart to let it work
22:42<thursdayx>With the ability to run actual binaries on it other than java based apps.
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22:45<wachtel>ok ... i think ive the reboot my computer
22:45<adb>wachtel: try to find on which folders have some things , try all in > ls /media/usb0 etc ...
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22:46<Jason1>wachtel: don't have to reboot
22:46<wachtel>i installed usbmount ... but now i cant see the icon anymore
22:47<wachtel>try usb to usb7 .. nothing
22:47<wachtel>i read that it could work
22:47<wachtel>i killed usdevd and start is mnually
22:48<adb>cat /etc/group | grep plugdev , says ?
22:49<adb>grep plugdev /etc/group
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22:53<adb>re plug usb get ?
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22:56<adb>wachtel: logout/login may help
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23:00<Jason1>do it work?
23:00<wachtel>before i loged out i found sdc and sdc1 in/proc/partirions now its away
23:03<wachtel>back in aminute ill try something
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23:08<Deagon>Hey all
23:09<Deagon>Has anyone experienced an issue with Knm where the wifo adapter gets stuck at "28% configuring device.."
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23:10<Deagon>Can't seem to figure out why it's not working now, when it was several hours ago.
23:10<adb>wachtel: dmesg tail , will say things on usb ..
23:11<Deagon>no config changes at all, power off when it was working...restart the system and it doesn't
23:12<wachtel>i take a look into usbmount.conf and it tells me FILESYSTEMS="ext2 ext3
23:12<ikyuao>hi anyone really agree that steve ballmer is really pathetic idiot that's what i think of his behavior things that he is pathetic CEO idiot at all?
23:13<Deagon>Nevermind, It finally worked after a reinstall of Madwifi.
23:13<adb>ikyuao: you'r off-topic
23:14<Deagon>Goodnight or Good day to all
23:15<Jason1>how do I join in offtopic?
23:15<adb> /j #debian-offtopic
23:15<ikyuao>oh yea i should join the offtopic room thanks
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23:35<Tekno_>ikyuao: you are pathetic idiot
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23:42<ikyuao>tekno wtf?
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23:53<wachtel>by and thank you
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23:57<arw>by wachtel ;)
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---Logclosed Sat Jul 18 00:00:13 2009