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00:10<snogglethorpe>tekno tekno tekno
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00:11<snogglethorpe>Tekno_: just freaking out
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00:23<lginn02>newbee here, is there anyway to switch from i686 to i386 without another complete install???
00:23<arw>lginn02: so so
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00:24<lginn02>the reason is because i cant get adobe flash to work
00:24<arw>lginn02: you can try isntall only the kernel, the most apps could work
00:25<lginn02>i have the 64bit version but its beta and has glitches on facebook flash games
00:25<arw>lginn02: try non-free section
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00:25<lginn02>hmm where do i find that???
00:27<lginn02>is that in add/remove ore synaptic manager??
00:27<arw>lginn02: depends of your debian
00:27<lginn02>i have 5.0
00:28<lginn02>running kde 3.5
00:28<arw>yes in tha.. but if you have testing or stable is a littel diferent for each one
00:28<lginn02>its a stable ver.
00:30<arw>lginn02: is ok for you use us. servers?
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00:31<lginn02>?? sorry not following the question
00:31<lginn02>never mind brain fart
00:31<lginn02>yes US servers
00:32<arw>deb stable main contrib non-free
00:32<arw>deb-src stable main contrib non-free
00:33<lginn02>this is just really frustrating, i just want my damn flash to work
00:33<lginn02>lol i know that I have to put that somewhere but cant remember where???
00:34<arw>lginn02: take a look of this:
00:35<arw>lginn02: and this
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00:36<lginn02>i have flash 10 on here just installed it 30min ago but its buggy cause its beta for 64 bit
00:37<david555>alguien en linea? que pueda darme una mano con la config de un NIS?
00:37<dpkg>i heard sp is troubled: you stats pimp!
00:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:38<arw>david555: your welcome
00:38<arw>«las reglas»
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00:39<dpkg>somebody said rules was 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient.
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00:44<lginn02>thanks for the help
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01:20<oigres>Guys, I've messed up my /etc/apt directory. I'm running sid on an amd64 computer. I've tried to edit sources.list and things dont get changed because a new sources.list.d directory inside amd64 and i386 directories. What's going on?
01:21<oigres>Is there a way to "cleanly" regenerate /etc/apt/
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01:37<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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01:38<yurikoles>somebody tried nvidia 190.x drivers?
01:38<yurikoles>its under NDA )
01:39<yurikoles>how to clean up / ?
01:39<yurikoles>!free space
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01:53<yurikoles>i have no sound from left speaker
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02:09<kaffeine_user_001>what other irc channels are there to ask linux (distribution, not necessarily the kernel) -related questions ?
02:10<kaffeine_user_001><yurikoles>: 99% of the time no sound from the left channel is a hardware problem, not software.
02:10<yurikoles>i swithed speakers connection
02:11<yurikoles>and sound appears from left, but disabled from left
02:11<yurikoles>from righ
02:11<yurikoles>so i think its probably software
02:11<kaffeine_user_001>anyway: if you're lucky, you have just a defective audio cable. Try repalacing it with a brand new. If that doesn't help, you may have a burned audio circuit on your sound card (or motherboard, if you are using integrated audio)
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02:13<kaffeine_user_001>please be aware: doing something just as innocent-looking as connecting a powered computer speaker set to a sound card while both are pludde into a wall outlet, may destroy one or both channels from the speakers and/or the sound card on the computer
02:14<yurikoles>i lold
02:14<kaffeine_user_001>this is true even when the computer speaker has a double-insulated power adapter.
02:14*yurikoles are sirius cat and its sirius tred
02:15<zakame>ah, caturday
02:15<yurikoles>yes, i almost forgot
02:15<yurikoles>goto 4chan!
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02:21<yurikoles>my speakers connected via subwouffer
02:21<redmaw>hi, I'm trying to use KDE with lenny and while it's supposedly installed it doesn't show up in the session list on the login page
02:22<redmaw>anyone have any advice? I'd be much obliged
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02:31<redmaw>hey, how can I log into the terminal at the login screen (before running a gui)?
02:31<redmaw>thank you
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02:38<yurikoles>need help
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02:42<redmaw>can some one help me add non-free to my sources.list? I want to install the nvidia drivers but for some reason when I just add 'non-free' it still can't find the package >>
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02:44<wekt>redmaw: looks fine to me.
02:44<wekt>redmaw: did you then run 'update'?
02:45<yurikoles>i dont see any non-free
02:45<redmaw>that's my problem, idk where to put it, line 6 maybe?
02:46<yurikoles>all lines
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02:47<redmaw>hmm, well it seems to working with just line 6, I'll add it to the rest later just to be safe though
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02:53<chaos>can you plz explain me in lameman turns how i get my preseed.txt into initrd? :)
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02:54<xbkbx>chaos, rename (:
02:55<chaos>a bit more detail plz :P
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02:55<chaos>to S<num><whatever>?
02:56<xbkbx>mv /path/to/pressed.txt /path/to/needed/initrd
02:56<xbkbx>(if i understood you right)
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02:57<chaos>it says if i'm using initrd preseeding my files should be called preseed.cfg
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02:59<xbkbx>create the preseed.txt
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03:00<xbkbx>copy the contents of preseed.txt into the preseed.cfg
03:01<chaos>i fetched the example and called it preseed.cfg
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03:03<epsas>is there a way to automagically mount particular usb storage devices to /media/foo, /media/bar, etc...
03:03<epsas>i have an external hard drive, external dvd, and usb sticks -- it would be nice if the system would mount these to the same particular places every time
03:03<chaos>there was a thingy to automount cds that should do it for usb, right?
03:04<dpkg>well, usbmount is script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed:, or apt-get install usbmount, or does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>.
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03:04<dpkg>i guess pmount is "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount).
03:05<dpkg>[udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <z25>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>.
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03:08<deniz>right after i formatted a 500gb hdd, it already says there is 7.5 gb used! is this normal?
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03:11<deniz>is it?
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03:11<epsas>deniz - yes.
03:12<epsas>deniz - well, there is a reserved space for root
03:12*epsas scratches chin
03:12<deniz>epsas, even tho the OS wasn't installed on it?
03:13<chaos>but that's a format option you can format it with no root reservation
03:14<ml|>5 % is saved space when used in linux, but that is the fs needs for ext3
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03:14<deniz>chaos, ml|, where do i go to save my 7.5gb space in gparted and it says 2% used
03:14<ml|>all fs need some anount of space
03:15<deniz>ml|, o but technically
03:15<deniz>it's a 500 gb hd
03:15<deniz>then it formats as 400 sumtin which is normal
03:15<deniz>and then on that 400 sumtin, it says 7.5gb is used
03:15<ml|>deniz: the bigger the hdd for space is used
03:16<chaos>deniz: tune2fs -m0 <partition> should free up the space reserved for roo
03:17<ml|>are you saying that it's 500gb is original size and after putting ext3 it's now ~393gb?
03:18<chaos>but yes ... 500gb = 500.<bunch of zeros> byte which never adds up to 500 * 2^10^4
03:18<chaos>it's not an ext2 feature :)
03:18<chaos>it's a hdd manufacturer feature
03:19<deniz>what feature?
03:19<ml|>yup, do the math on what he just said
03:19<deniz>and tune2fs -m0 /media/disk?
03:19<chaos>i think it should start with /dev/
03:19<ml|>how are you going to use this hd?
03:20<chaos>it's the first sd device and the first partition
03:21<deniz>o well now im in the middle of resizing because im backing up data then im gonna install windows on the other hard drive then im going to install debian on that hard drive and mount that large partition as my home partition
03:21<deniz>so do i do that to both?
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03:21<chaos>sorry man you're on your own with that .. i got my trouble to solve :P
03:23<ml|>you are backing up data on to this new hdd?
03:23<deniz>chaos, ok but i would have nothing to lose if i did that tune2fs on both partition right?
03:23<deniz>ml|, yes
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03:23<ml|>so it has two partions now?
03:23<deniz>ml|, well moving it because i want to install xp on the older 250gb hdd then make a 10 gb swap partition on both hard drives to have 2x the swap speed
03:23<chaos>the root reservation was a way to prevent you from filling the hdd 100% and not being able to login
03:24<chaos>it's rather outdated today i think
03:24<ml|>yes, don't mess with that on /
03:24<deniz>wait a minute
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03:24<deniz>isn't that one of the reasons why swap is a partition?
03:24<ml|>but for /home on a sperate partion that's fine
03:25<deniz>ok wait though, now that im messing with partitions, how will i know where that invisible 7.5gb is?
03:25<deniz>b4 doing anything i did sudo rm -rf *
03:25<deniz>and the 7.5gb is still used
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03:26<ml|>so the drive is ext3 and mounted?
03:26<epsas> <- this script works perfectly for me
03:26<deniz>ml|, currently unmounted because it's resizing
03:27<ml|>deniz: ok, but i'm not following what you are doing trying to say sorry
03:28<yurikoles>how to decode amr?
03:28<yurikoles>or avr?
03:28<dpkg>somebody said amr was audio modem riser slot, or an implication of brokenness, someone said.. Adaptive Multi-Rate an audio compression scheme used with GSM phones
03:28<deniz>ml|,like when i have multiple partitions etc and this resizing is all done; how will i track that 7.5 gb of invisible data or allocated space or whatever it is and remove it or how to "re-obtain" it
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03:29<ml|>epsas: usbmount does that, but use what you like :)
03:29<yurikoles>i have d-m connected
03:29<yurikoles>but rhythmbox can't find suitable codec
03:30<ml|>deniz: depends how you are going to use that drive
03:31<deniz>ml|, home partition and the rest is in another partition along with a swap partition
03:36<deniz>ml|, does that 7.5gb have a name i can wikipedia up? i noticed my smaller partition uses 7.2gb instead
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03:40<chaos>DKX2-108 <-- that's my remote access to the box i'm trying to install debian on .. do i need a driver or something to get it working ?
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03:47<sasi_vani1>guten morgen
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03:50<sasi_vani1>was geht so?
03:50<ml|>deniz: this explains reserved blocks better
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03:51<ml|>best to leave that alone except for data partitions
03:52<deniz>ml|, ok so my home partition IS just a data partition isn't it?
03:53<ml|>read that again
03:54<ml|>deniz: but if you want you lower it to say 3%, but best to leave that alone
03:54<deniz>when it says "constantly writing to disk," how does that involve the home partition?
03:54<deniz>or any partition other than swap for that matter
03:55<deniz>(im sure this is referring to the occasional hard drive usage for example that my laptop shows by the hdd blinking light)
03:55<deniz>like when you don't do anything
03:56<ml|>like app settings etc...
03:58<ml|>deniz: here, but read that whole thing if want to understand more about partitions ...
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04:12<deniz>ml|, is this only a ext thing?
04:13<deniz>ml|, it must be since when I ran out of space on WinXP, it ruined my whole installation cuz it was in the middle of installing sp2
04:13<deniz>is this similar to the situation of the system crashing when it uses 100% of RAM which is why the kernel swaps out before that happens?
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04:18<ml|>deniz: dunno other fs might do the same just know about ext2/3
04:23<deniz>ml|, what's the parameter to "pretend" to do things like a test run with an action in the terminal
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04:27<ml|>depends on what you are doing and if it is support by the app
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04:37<wekt>Is there an easy way to create a text list of debian mirrors? the netselect-apt package extracts mirrors from the html list somehow, but I haven't figured out how.
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04:40<wekt>deniz: each command has it's own 'pretend' parameter, if it's supported. I think they use different parameter names for that. However --help or -h is consistent.
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04:41<wekt>deniz: otherwise documentation is in /usr/share/doc/PackageName . Or found by the command man executableName . I don't know the pretend command for mkfs or else i would tell you.
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04:42<deniz>ml|, wekt, tune2fs -m (man doesn't seem to list a "pretend" parameter) but ya i won't attempt anything especially now that im getting tired again to avoid making mistakes
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04:43<deniz>wekt, what exactly was your question? you just want a debian mirror for your sources.list?
04:43<wekt>I wish to have a text list of mirror servers one hostname per line.
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04:45<deniz>wekt, wait you want different sites that all contain the same stuff?
04:45<deniz>by sites i mean repositories or wtv
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04:47<wekt>yes, different mirrors which are all the same content. I can then filter them by supported protocol, speed, or other qualities for which I would scan.
04:49<ml|>deniz: use tune2fs -l to check the revsered block count which should be 5% of that partition
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04:49<wekt>Such as: reduce the list to servers with a ping >30ms. then among those scan to see whether any support NFS.
04:50<wekt>oops ping <30ms of course.
04:50<ml|>wekt: trrying to find the best mirror for you?
04:51<deniz>ya isn't that just a matter of locating the mirror for your country?
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04:51<deniz>or am i missing the point?
04:51<wekt>ml|: yes, especially i'm interested in being able to check whether they support different protocols like rsync or NFS.
04:52<dpkg>a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
04:52<ml|>dunno about the rest
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04:55<wekt>thanks ml| that's nice to have, but doesn't do what I most want. I don't see a way to get a raw list of servers from it or to select a protocol I want.
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04:59<wekt>I am glad to have apt-spy though
04:59<Sensiva>Hello All, I submitted a bug in debian installer , should I expect a reply? or this is it?
04:59<jeff_hann>'this' meaning?
04:59<xbkbx>i hate summer >_<
05:00<Sensiva>I send the email and its over
05:00<xbkbx>Sensiva, it is the bug of your brains and hands
05:00<jeff_hann>you will receive a confirmation email from Debian BTS
05:00<jackyf>Sensiva: wait for a while firstly
05:01<xbkbx>there is no bugs in debian
05:01<Sensiva>I am just worried , somtimes hotmail sucks
05:01<jeff_hann>Sensiva: better read the FAQ
05:01<xbkbx>debian is a bug-free OS
05:02<jeff_hann>btw...sometimes? :P
05:02<xbkbx>the only bug is user
05:02*Sensiva reads the topic
05:02<jeff_hann>Sensiva: nope, the FAQ regarding bug reporting
05:03<Sensiva>jeff_hann dude I know :D
05:03<Sensiva>I am just making sure this is not a social chatting room
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05:08<Sensiva>This is what I did
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05:12<ml|>wekt: np, maybe ask againg in a bit about other stuff
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05:21<secret>how do i execute a bin/sh file?
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05:22<Sensiva>secret first change its attribute to be executable "chmod +x"
05:22<Sensiva>then ./
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05:22<ml|>but be careful on what it does
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05:23<secret>Sensiva: wait.. what does it mean ./
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05:23<Sensiva>to execute the file type ./
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05:24<secret>Sensiva, aha
05:25<yurikoles>how to ifdown vmnet?
05:25<yurikoles>it says ifdown: interface vmnet1 not configured
05:26<yurikoles>ifconfig shows it
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05:29<yurikoles>shit, same problem with eth0 and eth1
05:29<secret>Sensiva, damn, how can i stop it from the shell?
05:29<Sensiva>stop it?
05:30<Sensiva>it doesn't exit?
05:31<secret>Sensiva, i made a test in a shell. bin/sh and then /usr/bin/conky to see what happen. of course there is not file and i have errors (no file exist etc.) i tried to interupt it wit ctrl + c, then it looks like that it stops but after few seconds it starts again..
05:32<Sensiva>If you don't mind paste ur sh script in please?
05:33<secret>Sensiva, you want to see the error message?
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05:33<Sensiva>mmm ok
05:33<secret>Sensiva, Conky: statfs '/media/big': No such file or directory
05:33<Sensiva>but also I want to see the content of ur sh file
05:33<Sensiva>ok now I get it
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05:34<secret>Sensiva, of course there is no file i just try it to see what happen
05:34<Sensiva>its an internal error from Conky, its trying to find stats of a mount point that does not exist
05:35<secret>Sensiva, wait a moment please. so if i have a bin/sh file from somewhere and i want to save it then it can just open a shell, tipy #!/bin/sh and than the script. and its save automatickly? i dont know..
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05:37<Sensiva>oh man
05:37<Sensiva>I didn't get a single word of what you just said :D
05:37<secret>Sensiva, oh men??
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05:37<secret>ok, thanks..
05:38<Sensiva>again, what's the problem now?
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05:40<secret>ok, i want to save a script in as a bin/sh file. 1, where i have to save these kind of files, 2. how to run it manually and how to run it automatickly
05:41<Sensiva>1- you can save it anywhere
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05:41<secret>ok. so if i want to connect it with another file it doesnt metter where it is..
05:41<Sensiva>2- you can run it manually by going to its folder using cd command then ./ to run it
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05:41<secret>ok, so far so goo
05:42<Sensiva>running it automatically is something I am not aware of in Debian
05:42<secret>and what is if i ant to run it with booting the system
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05:42<Sensiva>What do you mean by connecting it to another file?
05:44<secret>well, i have conky, and this is in /etc/conky/conky.conf. but, this is without a weather forecast which i have made an extra bin/sh file for weather and then connect this with the already in use conky.. so i have my weather forecast
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05:45<Sensiva>fine, then you should make conky execute the weather script in conky.conf
05:45<secret>Sensiva, i cant save the script into the nornal conky,config file, can i?
05:46<secret>as a separate file in /etc/conky
05:46<CraigGB>hi, this sn't so much debian related but i was thinking of trying ubuntu however i was wondering if anyone shares a /home partition between debian and ubuntu and how safe this would be?, as they are very similar i was wondering if it would work fine :)
05:46<Sensiva>secret please read conky manual pages
05:46<wekt>CraigGB: i wouldn't try mixing kde3 and kde4
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05:47<wekt>CraigGB: i don't know any other reason why not.
05:47<Sensiva>secret you will modify /etc/conky/conky.conf by adding the command "exec" to make it execute your weather script
05:48<CraigGB>wekt: im using debian testing with kde4. so i won't have to worry about that :), thats awesome i shall try it then, thanks for your help :)
05:49<Sensiva>CraigGB I tried that, and I screwed
05:49<CraigGB>Sensiva: oh, how bad was it?
05:49<secret>Sensiva, ok, this is a good side. thanks for that first. now i have to read how to create the "exec" file
05:51<Sensiva>CraigGB I didn't examine that much, but from the first few minutes , I realised its not working, keep in mind packages in Debian and Ubuntu has different versions, so conf files gets modified in different ways
05:52<Sensiva>secret "exec" means making Conky to execute a script in the background and print its output in its window, please read Conky manual
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05:56<CraigGB>Sensiva: okay, i might as well do a separate home anyways i only wanted to see if they fixed a problem i had with the ath5k driver which used to cause a total lockup, had to stop using it but i currently boot 5 distributions anyways :P, thanks for your answers :)
05:56<secret>Sensiva, Thanks for help!! ;-)
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05:57<Sensiva>Most welcomed :D
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06:22<wowzer>Hi everyone! Does anyone know of a forum software that I could use to create forms for users to complete...once the forms are completed, I need to be notified via email. Does such a forum-type package exist? I've read up on phpBB and Phorum, but they only seem to create message boards. I'd like to have create a form based section to organize over 250 people for troubleshooting...i.e. the telephone is broken, the lights burned out
06:24<dr|z3d>wowzer: There's likely a script that fulfils your needs. Have a google.
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06:25<dr|z3d>wowzer: And, from what you describe, you want a bug reporting type app.. have a look at bugzilla and trac.
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06:26<wowzer>dr|z3d- yeah...googling now. However, I was hoping to include that into a messaging/community area allows you to chat about issues and the other allows you to report problems...
06:26<wowzer>looking at bugzilla and trac now.
06:26<dr|z3d>wowzer: Try trac.
06:26<dr|z3d>That has other elements besides a bug reporter.. wiki etc.
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06:27<nivannick>Hi all, does anyone have a canonical reference as to what /etc/apt should contain in sid at the moment? I seem to have broken apt since installing ia32-apt-get
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06:28<bike>how broken is xmms these days?
06:28<bike>even audacious wont play streams
06:29<wekt>nivannick: I think everything in /etc/apt is created by the installer initially. What are the symptoms of the patient?
06:29<aigarius>bike: I usually play the streams with totem
06:30<bike>ah that might work, using lxde here now
06:30<bike>gonna try getting xmm
06:30<petern>xmms still works, it's just unmaintained...
06:30<bike>i see
06:30<petern>(and needs gtk1)
06:30<bike>so it would be oldstable?
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06:30<nivannick>wekt: well, for instance, wine is apparently missing from the archive at the moment, and apt-get update does suspiciously little: "Reading package lists... Done
06:30<dr|z3d>bike: exaile is another one to try.
06:30<nivannick>" is the only output
06:30<nivannick>d'oh, sorry about that newline
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06:30<bike>dr|z3d, ah yes, thanks forgotten about that
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06:31<wekt>nivannick: what files do you have under /etc/apt?
06:32<bike>interesting ,xmms breaks ladcca2{u} libwebkit-1.0-1{u}
06:32<nivannick>wekt: amd64/ apt.conf.d/ preferences sources.list trustdb.gpg apt.conf i386/ secring.gpg sources.list.d/ trusted.gpg
06:33<nivannick>although I think I may have figured it out, I screwed about with sources.list earlier thinking it was useless in favour of the ones in amd64 and i386...
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06:33<nivannick>I haven't really been able to find out any information about those new directories
06:33<bike>wah, xmms saves the day
06:34<bike>doesnt support double size anymore tho
06:34<nivannick>but it means I have three sources.lists, and three sources.list.d dirs, which is a bit confusing as to where I need to add new repos to :)
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06:36<Nazcafan>what is the replacement that debian proposes for grip?
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06:38<gsimmons>Nazcafan: Asunder, as stated in Debian bug #515887.
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06:43<nivannick>so, is there any documentation on the order that apt evaluates sources.list, sources.list.d/*, amd64/source.list, i386/sources.list, etc?
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06:44<nivannick>the sources.list manpage doesn't really go into any specifics
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06:46<wekt>nivannick. I would doubt such is documented.
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06:47<wekt>nivannick: It doesn't usually matter, either, does it?
06:48<wekt>Nazcafan: I don't know, but if i were to seek the answer, I'd look in the GNOME task entries.
06:48<nivannick>not usually, no. I thought the main sources.list was being favoured by amd64/sources.list and i386/sources.list yesterday, but that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment. Just a bit confusing as to where new repos get added, is all :)
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06:48<wekt>Nazcafan: task in aptitude
06:48<nivannick>thanks for your help; looks like wine is still broken at any rate
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06:51<themill>nivannick: the arch/sources.list stuff is from ia32-apt-get. You probably need to read a few recent "discussions" on debian-devel.
06:51<nivannick>ah, righto :)
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06:58<Nazcafan>wekt, thank you
07:00<wekt>Nazcafan: if you find out the answer, you can tell me too because I imagine I would want to know some day.
07:00<Nazcafan>wekt, gsimmons answered: it's asunder
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07:06<marcel_>could someone have a look at this topic i posted? its about raid
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07:08<helmut>Hi. Is there a debian sid user using liferea 1.6.0~rc6-1 who could help me triage a bug? (amd64 preferred)
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07:44<leikh>I have exim4 with smtp auth and ssl on port 465. It seems like exim requires client to have installed cert. How can I disable this requirement?
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07:46<wekt>leikh: don't use ssl?
07:46<wekt>leikh: I don't know another way. I thought it would be expected behaviour.
07:46<dr|z3d>leikh: Create and install the cert. Best way.
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07:47<miezoo_newbie>hi,can sombody how to install nvidia drv in please ?
07:47<kamalnandan>hi..I am new to this the channel for debian packaging?
07:48<wekt>leikh: there is mention of 'brokenness' on the debian pages for exim regarding TLS. I don't know what that brokenness would be or if it's related.'
07:48<themill>dpkg: tell kamalnandan about mentors
07:48<miezoo_newbie>for an x64 architecture
07:48<leikh>dr|z3d: I've created the cert with /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/exim-gencert. But I guess it can't just be installed as client cert, or?
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07:48<leikh>wekt: I'll look into it. thx
07:49<dr|z3d>leikh: You should be able to install it as a client cert, sure.
07:49<kamalnandan>themill, dpkg is the command...I want to know if I can put my queries here regarding debian packaging? I am sorry..I am not aware of IRC lingo yet..
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07:50<dr|z3d>Better still, generate a free cert from one of the free cert authorities, install the cert authority, and you should be all good.
07:50<leikh>dr|z3d: It doesn't contain password?
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07:51<dr|z3d>leikh: I think you need to do some background reading :)
07:52<kamalnandan>ok, themill..i think the channel is called i right the mill..?
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07:52<leikh>dr|z3d: too much to read, too little time ;-)
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08:44<hackndoes>why isn't facebook texas hold'em working? i am on testing x64
08:45<hackndoes>also i am using the adobe flash player 10 from adobe labs
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08:49<hackndoes>in my .mozilla/plugins dir i have extracted the from the flash 10 tar. and symlinked it from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
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09:05<hackndoes>any ideas anyone?
09:06<dpkg>i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
09:06<bremner>!adobe flash
09:06<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta>
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09:10<hackndoes>thanks bremner
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09:19<yurikoles>how to fix fonts in squeeze? they very ugly!!
09:20<jeff_hann>yurikoles: what desktop environment and what application are you using?
09:20<yurikoles>gnome and kde
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09:21<yurikoles>worst fonts in qt apps
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09:21<yurikoles>try for example vbox
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09:21<yurikoles>i use puel version
09:22<Dio>hi all ^^
09:22<negledabs>ah, it turned out that it helps fstab mount my drives at startup, if i type the fs type in correctly. linux cannot mount etx3 file systems. :P
09:22<yurikoles>when i upgraded from lenny fonts was fine. but thene i reinstalled it with weekly build of testing
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09:23<yurikoles>is it mounting by hands?
09:23<yurikoles>mount /dev/sda5 ?
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09:25<yurikoles>mount it from terminal!
09:25<negledabs>yeah, but i did fix the typo, and now it works fine :)
09:25<wekt>yurikoles: systemsettings for KDE
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09:29<knoppix__>were ich am
09:29<yurikoles>i corrected settings in qt app settings
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09:29<yurikoles>!tell Guest1491 about enter
09:30<yurikoles>!ban Guest1491
09:30<yurikoles>!kick Guest1491
09:30*dpkg kicks Guest1491 in the ass.
09:30<yurikoles>!shoot Guest1491
09:30*dpkg blows Guest1491 away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers
09:30<yurikoles>!shoot Guest1491
09:31<yurikoles>!kill Guest1491
09:31*dpkg tears a hole in Guest1491's head with a free AOL CD
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09:31<lmc>yurikoles: wow. I just switched to this channel and it looks like a politically incorrect cartoon from the '50s... :D
09:33<narcan>"with a free AOL CD" ... weapon of mass destruction
09:36<yurikoles>!google free AOL CD
09:36<yurikoles>!free AOL CD
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09:47<hackndoes>nspluginwrapper does not exist in the testing repositories?
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09:49<themill>!why is nspluginwrapper not in testing
09:49<dpkg>nspluginwrapper is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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09:50<themill>hackndoes: ^^ general ia32-* brokenness, it seems.
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09:51<hackndoes>well when should it be available, and how should i install the flashplayer-mozilla from multimedia in that case?
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09:55<yurikoles>is is safe to use cpuburn on athlon64?
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09:55<quaker66>hi @all.. any way how to easily get iceweasel 3.5 into Squeeze without installing xulrunner 1.9.1?
09:56<abrotman>it's a dependency
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09:56<abrotman>there are packages fro it
09:56<hackndoes>themill, sorry got cut off
09:56<quaker66>i tried to install that directly from experimental
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09:56<quaker66>but it wanted that xulrunner 1.9.1 which had dependencies to other things..
09:56<yurikoles>try ubuntu deb
09:56<quaker66>i want iceweasel, not firefox :)
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09:57<yurikoles>iceweasel is actualy a script AFAIK
09:57<quaker66>iceweasel is much faster
09:57<quaker66>i tried that
09:57<yurikoles>no, there is no difference
09:57<yurikoles>google xulrunner
09:57<quaker66>so what is the reason it needs nearly half RAM than firefox?
09:57<dr|z3d>Iceweasel is Firefox sans branding. That's all.
09:57<dpkg>i guess xulrunner is a minimized mozilla release without user interface. the xul applications provide the user interface. see:
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09:58<dr|z3d>quaker66: Extensions, perhaps.
09:59<quaker66>ah.. ok.. i will try the deb from ubuntu
09:59<abrotman>there are some patches
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09:59<quaker66>ah i knew it!
09:59<abrotman>quaker66: there are debian packages for IW 3.5
09:59<quaker66>i know
09:59<quaker66>in experimental
09:59<abrotman>so what's wrong with those?
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09:59<quaker66>it tries to upgrade many other packages
10:00<abrotman>such as ?
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10:00<quaker66>i must try, i don't remember the names.
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10:03<quaker66>abrotman, not many upgrades now
10:03<yurikoles>apt-get -t experimental install iceweasel
10:03<quaker66>but a conflict.
10:03<Shoot>upgrade yes
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10:03<quaker66>it tries to install xulrunner 1.9.1 which depends on libsqlite3-0 version 3.6.16 and max available is 3.6.14
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10:04<yurikoles>apt-get -t experimental install iceweasel
10:04<quaker66>i tried that
10:04<themill>judd versions libsqlite3-0
10:04<judd>themill: libsqlite3-0 -- etch: 3.3.8-1.1 lenny: 3.5.9-6 squeeze: sid: 3.6.16-1
10:04<abrotman>quaker66: please use aptitude
10:04<themill>experimental is built against sid not squeeze; you'll need to get libsqlite3-0 from sid first
10:05<quaker66>experimental does not contain libsqlite at all
10:05<quaker66>i'll try that
10:05<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
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10:06<quaker66>i am doing database update..
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10:07<quaker66>then i'll install sqlite from sid and iceweasel from experimental
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10:10<quaker66>installing :)
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10:12<abrotman>the font ?
10:12<yurikoles>how to install sans font?
10:12<abrotman>yurikoles: you probably have quite a few .. where do you want to use it ?
10:13<yurikoles>in qt
10:13<raboofje>i have installed the netinst cd and then gotten the network to work - but i don't have a browser yet and haven't set up my sources.list yet
10:13<hackndoes>so, what am i todo to install flash player?
10:13<themill>hackndoes: install stable?
10:13<raboofje>what's a good sources.list line for lenny? :)
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10:13<quaker66>isn't it in debian-multimedia repository?
10:14<hackndoes>from sid?
10:14<yurikoles>in d-m too
10:14<yurikoles>i'm using squeeze
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10:14<yurikoles>i have installed amd64 flash
10:14<hackndoes>in multimedia there is the flashplayer-mozilla only it depends on nspluginwrapper which is not present in repos of testing
10:14<quaker66>yurikoles, squeeze repo contains the native amd64 flash?
10:15<yurikoles>ubuntu sucks, they have no amd64 flash )
10:15<hackndoes>yurikoles, and you can use it?
10:15<yurikoles>it contains a installer
10:15<hackndoes>every thing works for you?
10:15<quaker66>i used adobe tarball directly..
10:15<hackndoes>how do i configure it?
10:15<quaker66>for amd64
10:15<yurikoles>use deb
10:15<quaker66>hacknodes, you just install it and it does everything for you :)
10:15<hackndoes>quaker66, i did that too but it doesn't work in facebook poker :)
10:15<yurikoles>it will download and installs it
10:15<hackndoes>yurikoles, you downloaded deb from where?
10:16<raboofje>i have 'deb stable main contrib non-free', but it seems to be having issues: apt-get update works, but when i try to install stuff it says 'no server available to handle request at'
10:16<yurikoles>pick another mir
10:16<dpkg>rumour has it, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>.
10:16<quaker66>yurikoles, what is flashplugin-nonfree in squeeze?
10:16<quaker66>it has strange version.. and there is flashplayer-mozilla
10:16<raboofje>yurikoles: could you paste one? I currently have no browser installed, and no way of installing a browser :S
10:17<slush>raboofje: try w3m
10:17<hackndoes>flashplayer-mozilla doesn't install, cause it doesn't meet dependencies
10:17<hackndoes>yurikoles, how do i install it?
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10:17<wekt>raboofje: do # aptitude install netselect-apt ; netselect-apt
10:17<themill>raboofje: you have something very odd in your sources.list then.
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10:18<hackndoes>so i can use it from repos
10:18<hackndoes>aptitude install?
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10:18<yurikoles>netselect sucks
10:18<raboofje>slush: looks like w3m isn't on the netinst cd
10:18<yurikoles>apt-spy is better
10:18<wekt>yurikoles: netselect worked well for me.
10:18<wekt>yurikoles: netselect-apt was faster than apt-spy
10:18<yurikoles>but apt-spy is better
10:19<slush>raboofje: oh wait, you are working on a fresh install?
10:19<raboofje>wekt: looks like netselect isn't on the netinst cd either
10:19<wekt>yurikoles: but netselect-apt did not do a bandwidth test, i think.
10:19<yurikoles>netselect dont downloads anything
10:19<raboofje>slush: yes
10:19<raboofje>slush: an unfinished netinst, which includes and irc client but not a web browser :S
10:21<raboofje>if someone could post a working 'deb' line i'd be good to go again :)
10:21<yurikoles>wanna use stable or testing?
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10:21<EmleyMoor>I have a gnome-terminal opened using the "Root Terminal" menu item, and one opened as myself, and have slightly different behaviour between the two...
10:21<raboofje>yurikoles: stable for now
10:21<yurikoles>use ftp client
10:22<raboofje>yurikoles: thanks
10:22<EmleyMoor>As root, the pound and euro signs work. As me they don't - giving a # and newline in the case of the pound...
10:22<EmleyMoor>Why would that happen and what should I adjust to fix it?
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10:23<yurikoles>is there links, links2, lynx?
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10:25<raboofje>yurikoles: up and running now, thanks ;)
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10:26<yurikoles>the better way is to use expert install and load mirrorselecting module
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10:26<quaker66>i installed new iceweasel.. it works OK :)
10:26<quaker66>it is just named firefox because i installed a language pack
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10:27<quaker66>but in About there is still iceweasel logo
10:27<hackndoes>yurikoles, so i installed the flashplugin-nonfree from testing repos but still the facebook texas hold'em does not work
10:27<hackndoes>does anyone know why?
10:28<hackndoes>youtube works fine though just like it was before when i used the flash 10 issued by adobe directly
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10:28<quaker66>hacknodes, i installed that now too and i have no problems with flash but i don't use facebook
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10:43<hackndoes>quaker66, yes but i didn't have problems with flash before too
10:43<hackndoes>only facebook has a flash poker application i love and can't use in debian because of tha
10:43<hackndoes>i must always goto windows
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10:44<quaker66>i don't use windows at all for a few months
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10:45<nivannick>I've had facebook complain about Flash not being installed before even when it was. I'd say it's Facebook's fault.
10:47<nivannick>you may like to try it in a different browser, it stopped complaining when I switched from Opera 9 to Opera 10b
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10:48<abrotman>nivannick: make sure you're actually using adobe flash, and not a Free alternative
10:48<nivannick>abrotman: aye, 64-bit Flash 10, IIRC
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10:48<nivannick>If youtube would switch to <video> we could all forget about Flash and be happy.
10:49<nivannick>(like that'll happen anytime soon :P)
10:50<abrotman>or you could just .. not use youtube
10:50<nivannick>true :)
10:50<quaker66>abrotman, and what to use instead? :)
10:51<dr|z3d>There are some 3rd party video tools that will happily display youtube. No IceWeasel necessary.
10:51<abrotman>quaker66: try reading ?
10:51<abrotman>a book ?
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10:52<quaker66>ah :D
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10:55<Vicci-27>hi i'm trying install joomla but i get this; No configuration file found and no installation code available. Exiting.. does i forget installing something?
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10:58<dr|z3d>Vicci-27: More than likely. Check joomla's installation doumentation.. that's what it's there for.
10:58<Vicci-27>i read it over and over again
10:59<Vicci-27>and do everything i need to do
10:59<dr|z3d>If you did, you wouldn't be here ;)
11:00<dr|z3d>Also, see if you can find the irc channel for joomla. They're ready and waiting. :)
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11:20<miguel>how can i rerun the gui that helps me set sources.list
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11:25<darrob>miguel: sorry, i don't know that. but why don't you just edit it by hand anyway?
11:25<miguel>because in the gui there was a nice selection of possible sources
11:26<darrob>i'm quite sure you can find those sources on the debian website
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11:27<miguel>ill have a look thx
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11:29<Royal>good morning! someone could help me with the question of raid 1 on debian 5 64btis?
11:29<drakeman>Hey, im trying to use deborphan to remove some unnecesary config files, im runing deborphan --find-config , and i get along list, there is a way to remove all that results without typing aptitude purge name one bye one? there is a way to do it with a pipe?
11:31<ml|>drakeman: how many?
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11:33<drakeman_>sorry, anybody asnwer my question? my computer just turn off.
11:33<chaos><ml|> drakeman: how many?
11:34<ml|>how does deborphan show
11:35<drakeman_>like 100 results
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11:35<drakeman_>and i dont want to remove it typing aptitude purge package1 pacakge 2 pakckage3 package4
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11:37<ml|>drakeman: yes that is a pain try what i said with ncurses i don't know a better way atm
11:38<ml|>drakeman_: ^
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11:40<TCW>does one know of a channel where one could get some basic videe editing / converting help? Not only for mplayer / mencoder, maybe a more general one.
11:40<TCW>video even
11:41<drakeman_>ml|, im a fool with aptiude, i trying the _ to purge and i get amessage from broken packages, kernel remove. and i have to quit :D
11:41<ml|>drakeman_: you might find this useful, if you do place in /usr/local/bin/ and name it whatever you like mine is named '' then chmod +x i use to keep my system clean ....
11:42<ml|>drakeman_: well what are you trying to purge?
11:43<drakeman_>ml|, i dontk noo, i just enter aptitude and then i press _, and i get a lot of messages. with broken packages and to purge packages that im actually using..
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11:43<vvas>so next time, don't press _ unless you mean it
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11:44<ml|>drakeman_: no first search for the orphaned package then use _ to purge
11:44<ml|>don't just _ anything ;P
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11:46<ml|>drakeman_: understand now?
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11:50<ottoshmidt>Im going to format ntfs partition into ext and would you advise ext3 or ext4?
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11:51<abrotman>if oyu have to ask .. probably ext3
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11:51<dr|z3d>ottoshmidt: For a home system, ext4.
11:51<dr|z3d>If you're on a production server, stick with ext3.
11:51<ottoshmidt>home use
11:51<chaos>dr|z3d: you seem to be in the pic
11:51<dr|z3d>Then I'd go for ext4, ottoshmidt.
11:51*dr|z3d removes himself from the pic and confiscates the camera.
11:52<ottoshmidt>ext3 is more kinda stable?
11:52<chaos>if i fetch the example-preseed.txt rename it to preseed.cfg with a netinst lenny for ia64 is that going to work? :)
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11:52<ml|>ottoshmidt: ^
11:52<chaos>figured :P
11:52<dr|z3d>ext3 is tried and tested. ext4 is new and different. ext4 will see more performance from your disk.
11:52<dr|z3d>(especially for fsck operations).
11:53<dr|z3d>So, my advice stands. Home system, give ext4 a whirl.
11:53<ml|>ottoshmidt: you will need to be using a newer kernel i believe
11:53<ml|>dr|z3d: isn't ext4 still flacky?
11:54<dr|z3d>ml|: No.
11:54<dr|z3d>ml|: When various distros decide it's time to ship ext4 by default, you know it's moved on from the flakey stage. :)
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11:55<ml|>ok thanks, last i read it was, i'll still wait a bit :)
11:55<chaos>dr|z3d: so plz .. a bit help to the dude who's trying to install debian on a box which is a few thousand kms away!
11:55<dr|z3d>chaos: I missed your question.. what's the issue?
11:55<chaos>i have a kvm connected to it but it doesn't support ipmi so it goes dead when i boot the debian install from usb stick
11:55<chaos>if i fetch the example-preseed.txt rename it to preseed.cfg with a netinst lenny for ia64 is that going to work? :) <-- question
11:56<themill>chaos: are you sure it's an ia64 machine?
11:56<chaos>it's a quad core
11:56<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64.
11:56<dr|z3d>chaos: Couldn't tell you, others will have a better idea. :)
11:56<chaos>i see
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11:56<chaos>both themill & dr|z3d :)
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11:57<dr|z3d>You have abrotman and themill here.. specialists. ;)
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11:57*themill hides
11:57<dr|z3d>Amongst many others..
11:57<ml|>dr|z3d: and a .30 kernel is needed for ext4 correct?
11:57*chaos fetches amd64 netinst
11:57*abrotman hides behind themill
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11:57<chaos>luckily fetching @ ~40mb/s is not too boring
11:58<dr|z3d>ml|: Sounds about right, don't quote me on that though ;)
11:58<ml|>ok :)
11:58<ml|>see what kernel ottoshmidt is using above
11:58<drakeman>ml|, but i can search for orphaned packages inside aptitude?
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11:59<ottoshmidt>actually i am currently on ubuntustudio jaunty, had dual boot and now delete wind
11:59<ottoshmidt>format ntfs into ext and install debian sid on it in Vbox
12:00<ml|>drakeman: you can search for anything :)
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12:00<drakeman>ml|, yes, but how do i specify aptitude to search for orphaned packages
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12:00<ml|>ah, you can't afaik
12:00<chaos>deborphan > /tmp/purgeme
12:00<chaos>and then use the file
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12:01<drakeman>ml|, afaik?
12:01<dpkg>hmm... afaik is As Far As I Know
12:02<drakeman>ml|, now i have a red bar under aptitude, mm there is an image paste bin?
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12:02<dr|z3d> also.
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12:06<chaos>i know this is completely non-debian but is there any advantange to ahci sata mode over ide?
12:06<drakeman>ml|, take a look in the top in broken, and the quantity of packages it wants to install, then in the botton, the red bar, how i rollback or cancle that.
12:07<ml|>drakeman: '+' un whatever packege you '_'
12:07<dr|z3d>chaos: I think sata provisions more bandwidth. Whether that affects your hardware is a different issue.
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12:07<mran>hello everyone
12:08<valdyn>chaos: the sata driver is better
12:08<valdyn>chaos: and has features like hotplug support
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12:09<mran>I've got some problem with my toshiba laptop L300, sid, cannot connect to konsole ctrl+alt+F1 or F2 etc it's only blank screen - Xserver is working ok under F7 but no console - any suggestions?
12:09<chaos>thx ppl
12:09<ml|>drakeman: or you do ^-t and look for cancel pending actions or something like that
12:10<mran>kernel is 2.6.30 and wondering maybe the problems are drivers for video card?
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12:11<leikh>I have exim4 with smtp auth and ssl on port 465. When sending from remote client (Thinderbird) I first accept certificate (normal behaviour), but then I get this pop-up message "This site has requested that you identify yourself with a certificate". Is exim really asking for a personal certificate? To my knowledge, there's no way in h... that it should... What is going on? It's annoying...
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12:22<chaos>i can put images on usb to boot from with dd, right?
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12:24<chaos>like dd if=grml64_2009.05.iso of=/dev/sdb1?
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12:25<patrikf>chaos: no, that won't work.
12:26<chaos>why not?
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12:27<patrikf>chaos: because that's not the way booting from an usb stick works. but try it if you don't believe me
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12:27<chaos>well how do i do it then?
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12:28<bremner>chaos: there are instructions in the debian installation guide
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12:28<chaos>for grml?
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12:29<bremner>chaos: maybe ask grml people? but it should be pretty similar
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12:31<bremner>chaos: if you want a gui thing, look at unetbootin
12:33<pmitros>I have a Debian server and several mixed distro clients (mostly Ubuntu, but some embedded Linux as well) on a home network. I would like to be able to have a network drive on the server. I don't care about performance, but I do want high security and low maintenance. The clients will frequently connect and disconnect to this and other networks. What's the right set of tools to use?
12:33<azeem>sshfs maybe?
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12:34<pmitros>Oh. Neat. I didn't know that existed. That sounds exactly right.
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12:37<pmitros>Wow. That was perfect. Thanks.
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12:41<Serial>Alguien Ahi
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12:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:53<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
12:53<TCW>funny :)
12:53<ml|>dpkg: tell TCW about selftell
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12:54<TCW>ml|, sorry :)
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12:57<ml|>TCW: see above the Serial guy with hola the !es was meant for him :)
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12:58<dpkg>hu is, like, Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
12:58<chaos>huge crowd there :p
12:58<ml|>dpkg: tell chaos about selftell
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12:59<wowzer>hello all. I am looking for a package that will allow my users to report problems via email to me/my staff. I checked out bugzilla & mantis...they seem to be software development tools to keep track of a project. What I need is a way to automatically email problems/issues as over 250 people report to me...does anyone know of/use such web-app?
13:00<dr|z3d>wowzer: That's what you want, essentially. A bug reporting app. Did you look at trac?
13:00<TCW>wowzer, roundrobin? rt?
13:00<themill>judd info request-tracker3.6
13:00<judd>themill: request-tracker3.6 (misc): is optional; Version: 3.6.7-5; Size: 1504.0k; Installed: 8576k -- Extensible trouble-ticket tracking system
13:00<wowzer>I couldn't make heads or tails of trac...
13:01<dr|z3d>wowzer: is a good example of trac in motion.
13:01<TCW>rt is fine, but roundrobin tends to be good enough for many sites imho
13:02<wowzer>okay..checking out trac again...the demo sites they had were down.
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13:03<Serial>compaq 3718la compatible debian all?
13:03<Serial>wireless etc
13:03<dr|z3d>!tell Serial about ask
13:04*chaos thinks ppl are getting tired :)
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13:04<zeus>Hi all, how can i print a file down to top ? (I mean printing on screen the last line for first and so on...)
13:04<wowzer>trac seems customizable is it? It seems to be made for those who are fairly computer users probably are at the bottom of computer skills. I was hoping to develop templates for them to click so that errors (with standard operations) will then be emailed to the admins in charge of that specific area.
13:05<themill>zeus: man rev
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13:05<zeus>chaos: :-D
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13:06<abrotman>or tac
13:06<zeus>themill: rev reverse a file line per line ... i need to resort it !
13:06<abrotman>then use sort ?
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13:07<themill>zeus: err... you just said you wanted to reverse the file.... no mention of sorting. "man sort" and look at -r if you want reverse sorting
13:08<slush>wowzer: you looking more for a support desk kinda thing?\
13:08<zeus>themill: TAC !! is exactily what i'm looking for !! TANK YOU !!!
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13:09<abrotman>themill: are you confused yet?
13:09<themill>abrotman: very....
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13:09<abrotman>themill: oh .. i see what he means ..
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13:10<dr|z3d>wowzer: Short answer. Install it, play around. You'll soon work out if it's what you want.
13:10<abrotman>themill: rev reverses even the letters on the line .. tac just reverses the lines in the file
13:10*chaos is going to cry
13:10<themill>!comfort chaos
13:10<dpkg>There, there, chaos. It's OK. I'm here for you.
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13:11<dr|z3d>!lart chaos
13:11*dpkg whacks chaos with the cluebat
13:11*chaos knows karate ... no chance whacking me
13:12*noflash pops a cap in chaos's ass...karate that
13:13<chaos>i think nobody with the right amount of adrenaline coursing through their veins would be slowed down by a bullet in the ass
13:14<dr|z3d>Try telling that to JFK.
13:14*dr|z3d winks.
13:14<chaos>he wasn't shot in the ass
13:14*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
13:14*chaos shuts up now
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13:18<wowzer>dr|z3d - it looks like I'll have to write my own code, as I really would like to see a customized user tool...which is really too bad, as I like the reporting on all the apps..
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13:19<dr|z3d>wowzer: You give up too easily!
13:19<dr|z3d>wowzer: Search around some more.. there's doubtless a package out there that meets your requirements.
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13:19<wowzer>ok...i'll look some more.
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13:28<chaos>what's the name of the uk timezone? cos US/Eastern would suggest i need more than UK :\
13:29<petern>(in summer)
13:30<dr|z3d>BST or GMT otherwise, I believe.
13:30<chaos>i think i'll go with Europe/London
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13:31<AnAnt>Hello, is there a way to configure apt to disable some packages ? something like yum's exclude policty ?
13:31<ml|>dpkg: tell drakeman about xmonad
13:32<abrotman>AnAnt: such as ?
13:33<AnAnt>abrotman: let's say I want to disable some games
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13:33<abrotman>i'm not sure you can disable a whole section .. you can use pinning to disable packages though
13:34<AnAnt>no, not a whole section
13:34<AnAnt>pinning ?
13:34<dr|z3d>Say he wants to disable gnome-games..
13:34<dr|z3d>A single (meta-)package
13:34<abrotman>dr|z3d: that won't work
13:34<abrotman>AnAnt: /msg dpkg pinning
13:35<dr|z3d>Pinning locks an install to a given version.
13:35<dr|z3d>abrotman: Thought not, just clarifying what he meant ;)
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13:35<abrotman>i know what he meant ...
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13:35<dr|z3d>abrotman: Well, suggesting "whole section" suggested otherwise to me. :)
13:36<abrotman>except that is what he said
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13:36<dr|z3d>No, he said "some games".
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13:36<dr|z3d>Not an entire section. But pfft.
13:36<AnAnt>so I can do :
13:36<AnAnt>Package: <somepackage>
13:37<AnAnt>Pin-Priority: -1
13:37<AnAnt>and that's it ?
13:37<AnAnt>no need for Pin: field ?
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13:38<devil1234>is one way to apply .patch file on windows?
13:38<oliva>hi there, how do I test a packge build on a AVR32 architecture?
13:38<abrotman>devil1234: you'd probably want to ask a windows channel .. but cygwin should have that available
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13:40<yurikoles>how to list all installed packages with net and admin tags?
13:40<chaos>i fetched the boot.img.gz and zcat'ed it to my usb stick like the manual says but my 4db usb stick was turned into a 239m stick.. how do i fix that? :)
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13:40<dpkg>i heard avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared.
13:41<yurikoles>i need it?
13:41<AnAnt>that didn't work
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13:43<abrotman>AnAnt: did you run aptitude update after doing it ?
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13:44<yurikoles>i can't ifdown eth1, ifconfig says that eth1 is up and I using it now to talk with you
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13:44<AnAnt>abrotman: I run apt-get update, then apt-get install <package to be block>, yet apt-get is getting it
13:44<AnAnt>and installed it
13:45<yurikoles>i'm not have networkmanager
13:46<dr|z3d>AnAnt: Installing directly would override your pinning. Try doing what you'd normally do.
13:46<AnAnt>I add those lines in /etc/apt/preferences
13:46<AnAnt>I usually do apt-get install
13:46<AnAnt>you mean, it won't appear in aptitude or synaptic ?
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13:49<AnAnt>are you sure no Pin: field is needed ?
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13:50<dpkg>max_: VATTENE VIA
13:50<max_>ciao a tutti
13:50<dpkg>max_: VATTENE VIA
13:51<dr|z3d>!ops please lose max
13:51<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: please lose max
13:51<dpkg>yurikoles: VATTENE VIA
13:51<dpkg>It's 'what', you idiot. See also <wat>.
13:51<dpkg>WHAT. There's a h in there. If you say wat, people laugh. See also <wot>. A Buddhist temple.
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13:51<dpkg>It's 'what', you idiot. See also <wat>.
13:51<dpkg>THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks"
13:52<mentor>max_, yurikoles: Don't do that
13:52<yurikoles>!shot mentor
13:52<ml|>dpkg: tell yurikoles about selftell
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13:52<ml|>mentor: thanks
13:53<dr|z3d>Hopefully max took the hint.
13:53<@mentor>dpkg: no, wat? is No such word; try "what".
13:53<dpkg>mentor: okay
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13:53<dr|z3d>!tell max about it
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14:00<AnAnt>is pinning the only way ?
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14:00<ml|>only way for what?
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14:01<AnAnt>ml|: to disable installing of some packages
14:01<AnAnt>it doesn't work here
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14:01<ml|>you to keep current version?
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14:02<ml|>and not let it upgrade to new version
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14:02<AnAnt>no, I mean disable installing it on the system
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14:03<ml|>oh, not installing it works well for that
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14:04<AnAnt>ml|: works well for what ?
14:04<ml|>not installing certain packages
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14:05<AnAnt>oh, you mean if I want to disable instaling a package, then simply I shouldn't install it ?
14:06<ml|>well, that would be one way, dunno if you can do that with apt
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14:38<Jason>Hm... are aMSN supported for Debian lenny?
14:40<abrotman>judd: versions amsn
14:40<judd>abrotman: amsn -- etch: 0.95+dfsg2-0.3 lenny: 0.97.2~debian-1 squeeze: 0.97.2~debian-2 sid: 0.97.2~debian-3
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14:41<Jason>yup then it fo
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14:42<Jason>ok atitude install amsn?
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14:42<ml|>seems that should work
14:42<ml|>dpkg: info amsn
14:42<dpkg>amsn: (An MSN messenger written in Tcl), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.97.2~debian-3 (sid), Packaged size: 263 kB, Installed size: 860 kB
14:43<ml|>yes, means you don't have to install it
14:43<abrotman>that's just hte Priority
14:43<Jason>I want ot install, silly :)
14:43<chaos>what's the difference between apt-get & aptitude?
14:43<abrotman>!why aptitude
14:43<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
14:43<chaos>i read that
14:45<Jason>yay installing
14:45<ml|>pidgin does that support msn?
14:45<Jason>yup but videochat don't
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14:50<salem>does anyoneknows how to download gyahi fot linux mint
14:52<abrotman>salem: you should ask the mint support channel, this isn't it
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14:52<ml|> #linuxmint on
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14:54<Jason>it works
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15:02<chaos>umm... what are these UUID=<stupidass number> in fstab?
15:03<abrotman>those are your drives
15:04<abrotman>partitions more correctly
15:04<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
15:04<chaos>so i can just use /dev/sdb1 instead?
15:06<ml|>i wonder why you have uuid's instead of /dev/names
15:06<chaos>cos it's silly ass fedora :s
15:06<abrotman>why wouldn't you ask them
15:06<ml|>well yup
15:07<chaos>cos you help!
15:07<abrotman>go ask them
15:07<chaos>and in case you haven't noticed i'm trying to rid of it
15:07<ml|>that doesn't make sense
15:07<ml|>#fedora on
15:08<chaos>why doesn't it make sense?
15:08<abrotman>UUIDs are preferable
15:08<abrotman>IMO anyways
15:08<patrikf>ml|: if you mean /dev/hdX or sdX with "/dev/names", the order of your harddrives may change, while the filesystem's UUID won't
15:08<ml|>patrikf: yes and i know
15:09<chaos>geez.. i get that much on crap but no1 tells me how to install debian when i lose keyboard on the boot screen :s
15:09<nivannick>USB keyboard?
15:10<ml|>why don't connect the keyboard directly to it instaed thru kvm?
15:10<nivannick>My BIOS got misconfigured a while ago to let the OS handle USB keyboard and debian-installer won't configure it for you, so you need to have a BIOS that'll support it
15:10<chaos>virtual keyboard .. with a raritan DKX2-108 kvm
15:11<chaos>cos i'm here and box ~4 countries away
15:11<chaos>i have legacy usb enabled in bios which according to bios enables usb keyboard in DOS mode
15:12<Arrowmaster>yeah that doesnt work properly on some older bios, it lets you use a usb keyboard in the bios but still doesnt work outside of the bios
15:12<chaos>and i think the problem is that this particular kvm doesn't have IPMI protocol support
15:13<chaos>well kvm works just fine with fedora but there are other problems which i can't solve with fedora so i want debian cos i know that my other problem doesn't exist there :)
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15:14<chaos>and i just booted grml a few mins ago and keyboard input was fine even before it found the kernel i wanted it to boot
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15:17<chaos>btw ... what size would accomodate a debian install with kde X ? i have a 1tb partition but i want to cut off a separate partition for debian
15:17<dr|z3d>chaos: 10GB sees you ok.
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15:17<dr|z3d>chaos: If you want to install world+dog, opt for 20.
15:17<nivannick>10GB is a little small, I'd have thought
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15:18<nivannick>yeah, 20 seem more sensible
15:18<dr|z3d>chaos: And put your home dir on a separate partition.
15:18<chaos>it's server .. i don't want any fancy crap
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15:18<bremner>err, kde on your server? speaking of fancy crap...
15:18<ml|>then 10 should be more than enough
15:18<ml|>yeah haha
15:19<chaos>well it's not my box and the owner is a windows kinda person so i want his to be happy
15:19<ml|>i use 5 here and rest fir /home
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15:19<nivannick>KDE probably counts as world+dog for partition sizes :)
15:19<nivannick>anyway, if you use LVM you can always resize it later.
15:20<chaos>i don't like gnome
15:20<dr|z3d>chaos: For a server, try Xfce.
15:20<ml|>if it's a server why do you need X
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15:20<chaos><chaos> well it's not my box and the owner is a windows kinda person so i want his to be happy
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15:21<dr|z3d>chaos: Windows person = Xfce will suffice.
15:21<themill>I have a KDE+lots and lots of other crap installation on my laptop that fits happily into 5 GB.
15:21<ml|>yeah 5gb is plenty
15:21<bremner>chaos: Windows person=nothing X based will be good enough :)
15:21<chaos>on my box which is rather old i have a 4.7gb partition with vnc only
15:21<themill>(by lots of crap, I mean several chroots for building packages plus too many -doc and -dev packages for my own good)
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15:22<ml|>or you can use lxde
15:22<dr|z3d>Lxde's a but _too_ cut to the bone. Xfce is a happy compromise.
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15:26<chaos>alrighty then .. 15gb it is!
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15:32<ml|>i know using uuid's is better, why is it not default in debian?
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15:34<abrotman>ml|: it is now i believe
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15:35<mastroquet>abrotman: ? not in lenny at least
15:36<abrotman>i have machines that are using it, and i didn't do it
15:36<abrotman>oh .. sorry... uses them by dfault for grub i belive .. not fstab
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15:37<mastroquet>I just did a fraesh install of lenny, and no uuids
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15:38<mastroquet>anyway, I use debian, source mage, slackware, lfs and freebsd, and none has uuids
15:39<mastroquet>so i'm wondering if it's /really/ better...
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15:45<ml|>abrotman: ok, atleast here grub uses/dev
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15:46<abrotman>meh .. maybe it's just grub2 and i'm totally wrong :)
15:46<GhostlyDeath>Hello, I have a script that runs every 6 hours
15:47<GhostlyDeath>Those scripts build stuff
15:47<GhostlyDeath>then use rsync to send files to a server
15:47<GhostlyDeath>however, recently, only one script's rsync is working
15:47<GhostlyDeath>Same system just different scripts
15:47<GhostlyDeath>One of the scripts calling rsync can't get resolve any addresses
15:47<GhostlyDeath>while the other one can
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15:48<GhostlyDeath>I can normally ping the host and it works
15:48<GhostlyDeath>it's just that one script seems to have trouble, but I don't see why
15:48<GhostlyDeath>The two scripts have ran in parallel for months and it has never caused such problems
15:48<trebol6>anyone knows why unetbootin cant prepare one usb to boot? someone toldme to use windows to prepare the usb, but thats not the good way for me
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15:49<trebol6>or any place to ask for help
15:49<bremner>trebol6: try a different USB key?
15:49<GhostlyDeath>Any suggestions on how to fix this problem?
15:50<abrotman>trebol6: why isn't it good ?
15:50<trebol6>bremner: i have tied 2 usbs and one sd in one sd2usb
15:50<trebol6>none start
15:50<trebol6>i dont know the problem, i just see that the eepc ist not able to start
15:50<bremner>trebol6: maybe try the manual way in the debian installation guide?
15:51<bremner>trebol6: it might be the eee pc has a problem booting from USB?
15:51<trebol6>i dont know, its new
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15:52<GhostlyDeath>the scripts are run from cron btw
15:52<trebol6>but i tried to put the sd in the sd place and start from it, but same problem
15:53<trebol6>i tried to put ext3 and fat , no way
15:53<trebol6>i tried sid, stable and gnewsense
15:53<trebol6>and thats not the problem / solution neither
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15:54<GhostlyDeath>I don't see why one rsync works while another doesn't
15:54<trebol6>it says reboot and select the proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and pres a key
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15:57<GhostlyDeath>the EEEPC should boot from SD and USB
15:57<GhostlyDeath>trebol6: Go into the BIOS
15:57<GhostlyDeath>and when you are in there
15:57<trebol6>i am in the bios
15:57<GhostlyDeath>Go to Boot
15:58<trebol6>i am on boot
15:58<GhostlyDeath>There should be Boot Device Priority
15:58<dr|z3d>trebol6: Search for Boot -> Disc order.
15:58<trebol6>boot device prioritity
15:58<GhostlyDeath>IUt should be removable disk (floppy, usb); HDD or SDD then CD-ROM
15:58<dr|z3d>Or thereabouts.. yup.
15:58<GhostlyDeath>Are you trying to boot from an SD?
15:59<GhostlyDeath>If you are you need to adjust the order
15:59<trebol6>i have this options: removable dev. (thats what i tried) hdd (fucking windows sistem) atapi cd-room (i dont have one) and disabled
15:59<GhostlyDeath>trebol6: is an SD card in the slot?
15:59<GhostlyDeath>and was it there when the system booted?
15:59<trebol6>not it isnt
16:00<trebol6>ill restart its just 20 seconds
16:00<GhostlyDeath>shut it down
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16:00<GhostlyDeath>put a card in
16:00<GhostlyDeath>turn it back on
16:00<GhostlyDeath>Be sure it's the card you want to boot
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16:00<GhostlyDeath>Then go back to the boot options in the BIOS
16:00<GhostlyDeath>There should be an option "Hard Disk Drives"
16:00<trebol6>ok, i have it and i have same selecion possible
16:00<GhostlyDeath>Go there
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16:01<GhostlyDeath>press + or - to swap HDD with USB:Single Flash R
16:01<GhostlyDeath>So 1st drive is the SD Slot
16:01<trebol6>i ahve the second drive usb singl flash
16:01<GhostlyDeath>make sure that's set
16:01<GhostlyDeath>'then do not remove the card
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16:01<GhostlyDeath>and reboot the computer
16:01<GhostlyDeath>it will then boot the card
16:01<GhostlyDeath>provided it is bootable
16:01<GhostlyDeath>When you are done booting from the card
16:02<GhostlyDeath>do the same thing
16:02<trebol6>now i have usb single flash r
16:02<GhostlyDeath>but make the HDD first
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16:02<GhostlyDeath>that is, when you don't need to boot from SD
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16:02<GhostlyDeath>on some systems /dev/sda and /dev/sdb may be swapped
16:03<trebol6>now is detecting it
16:03<GhostlyDeath>but at least on my 900A, Linux sees it the same
16:03<GhostlyDeath>I am not sure if Windows would have trouble at all
16:03<GhostlyDeath>but if you are wiping it, it won't matter anyway
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16:04<trebol6>my eeepc 904hd is auto-detecting pri master
16:04<trebol6>but it does nothin
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16:04<dr|z3d>Actually, it's just as good to leave it to boot from SD first, and ensure you don't have a bootable SD in the slot when you want to boot off HD. :)
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16:04<trebol6>ill delete the windows asap
16:05<GhostlyDeath>dr|z3d: Not always
16:05<GhostlyDeath>If you password the BIOS you can't change the boot order
16:05<GhostlyDeath>Most computers, especially laptops are insecure and allow access to the BIOS
16:05<trebol6>who much time must i wait?
16:05<trebol6>it does nothing
16:06<GhostlyDeath>trebol6: Is the card still in?
16:06<GhostlyDeath>and is the card bootable?
16:06<GhostlyDeath>What is it an image of?
16:06<dr|z3d>I know. Shop pc's usually work the same way. Go into a pc superstore, futz with bios, set ram to minimum on a shared graphics ram system, watch the fun ensyue when shop demos run in 256 colors. Etc. *wink*
16:07<trebol6>im not sure at the moment, i think i have gnewsense
16:07<dr|z3d>Oh, and if you're feeling really generous, password protect the bios after you've changed the settings. :)
16:07<trebol6>now i understan
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16:08<trebol6>at this moment i have the usb with gnewsense contected and the sd conected
16:08<GhostlyDeath>trebol6: disconnect the USB
16:08<trebol6>the eeepc was waiting for the usb not the sd
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16:08<trebol6>if i do that i cant install the gnewsense
16:08<GhostlyDeath>trebol6: The USB might be set as bootable but not actually contain any boot loader
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16:09<trebol6>but, if i dont put the usb i cant boot
16:09<trebol6>it keeps auto-detecting primari master
16:09<GhostlyDeath>or it has a boot loader but it doesn't nothing (hangs CPU)
16:09<GhostlyDeath>trebol6: The primary master stuff is compatibility
16:09<trebol6>its possible
16:10<GhostlyDeath>All x86 systems can run a form of DOS
16:10<trebol6>what do u sugest now?
16:10<GhostlyDeath>One's from 1985 and One's from 2009
16:10<GhostlyDeath>The BIOS has compatibility to access disks
16:11<GhostlyDeath>Modern operating systems don't use it
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16:11<GhostlyDeath>trebol6: If it isn't booting anything, check to see if the correct stuff is on the SD Card
16:11<GhostlyDeath>There's the Debian EEEPC Installer
16:11<trebol6>ok, ill shutdown and check the sd stuff
16:11<GhostlyDeath>or you could use a standard installer
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16:13<trebol6>ill see that
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16:15<danger_>Decided to try Fedora for a while, and wow know I realise how much I like Debian. Are there any suppliers of DVD repos of the multimedia mirror?
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16:16<GhostlyDeath>danger_: No
16:16<GhostlyDeath>but you can make your own
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16:16<danger_>No I can't on this connection
16:16<GhostlyDeath>or find unofficial ones somewhere
16:17<GhostlyDeath>danger_: You might be able to ask in the mailing list
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16:17<GhostlyDeath>someone might build one, you'd just have to download it though
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16:17<GhostlyDeath>or maybe someone could make you a disc and mail it to you
16:17<danger_>I've got a max 40K download speed, hence the need for a dvd
16:17<danger_>thanks for your comments though Ghostly
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16:23<dr|z3d>danger_: If you're looking for free (postage, disc), you could do a lot worse than Ubuntu. They have a free mailout service. Sure, it's not Debian, but still.
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16:24<chaos>umm.. hmm... in this sample preseed file there's a line which gives me pause ... "d-i partman-auto/init_automatically_partition select biggest_free" which according to the comment above it "If the system has free space you can choose to only partition that space." <-- how can i be *sure* it will choose that 15gb i left for it? cos i'd be really screwed if it deleted the only other working system
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16:24<danger_>Thank you dr|z3d :)
16:24<bremner>dr|z3d: I think he wants dmm, not debian per se
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16:25<dr|z3d>bremner: Hmmkay. Not been too closely following the discussion.
16:27<abrotman>and that's not either
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16:27<danger_>Well basically I have a relatively upto date DVD containing the Lenny install with most of the stuff I need bar the multimedia elements - and my connection isn't good enough to download that stuff as needed - hence I thought I might be able to get hold of a DVD of the repos
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16:28<danger_>If that doesn't exist that's fine, I'll just have to pop to a friends with a decent broadband connection :)
16:28<patrikf>danger_: maybe you can download them from somewhere where you have a faster connection?
16:28<chaos>if you have access to a better inet connection you could fetch the 6 or so dvds and burn them
16:28<patrikf>danger_: you don't need to get the full contents, use apt-zip or similar to only download the packages you need
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16:29<danger_>Argh okay normally I just modify the repos I have enabled and do apt-get if apt-zip is faster then I'll definitely look into that, thank you
16:29<GhostlyDeath>danger_: If you install packages from Ubuntu you have a high risk of breaking your system
16:30<GhostlyDeath>danger_: Also, you can use aptitude
16:30<GhostlyDeath>danger_: Go into the options and unmark "treat recommends as dependencies"
16:30<GhostlyDeath>That way it won't download recommended packages
16:30<GhostlyDeath>then when you go to install those packages
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16:31<GhostlyDeath>you could check the "Packages recommended by ..." section
16:31<patrikf>danger_: no, apt-zip is about downloading packages on another computer than the one you're installing stuff. it's not faster than apt-get
16:31<danger_>Ah okay thanks
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16:46<bja>Just checking dpkg but it seems its down?
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16:47<amphi>!lart bja
16:47*dpkg holds bja to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
16:47<chaos>but you should pm dpkg if you want something from it
16:47<bja>chaos: I know, but well I needed to check also that there was no problem with my connection
16:48<bja>The easiest way i thought was telling muu to dpkg And it should reply with some funny message of a cow
16:49<chaos><ml|> dpkg: tell chaos about selftell Jul 18 18:57:08 <dpkg> ml| wants you to know: Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send aprivate message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
16:49*chaos hides
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16:50<maxb>Well the first problem is that you're misspelling moo, and the second is that it's slightly impolite to spam the entire channel just to test your connection
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16:50<bja>chaos: I dig get my share of those, and also the selftell factoid
16:50*bja apologizes to the channel
16:51<bja>maxb: I like spam as much as you do, thats why i waited for everyone to be silent before i tried it :)
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17:34<Jason>oh how do I register my nick or whatever?
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17:36<dr|z3d>Jason: /msg nickserv help
17:36<Jason>aha thought so
17:37<ml|>Jason: look at register
17:37<Jason>I did
17:37<Jason>by the way I just forgot, I ma been using IRC for 3 years
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17:43<amphi>!nickometer Jason1
17:43<dpkg>'Jason1' is 22.000% lame, amphi
17:44<Jason1>!nickometer Jason
17:44<amphi>the bot is nothing if not precise
17:44<dpkg>'Jason' is 0.000% lame, jason1
17:45<Jason1>are it trying to calculate my lameness? lol
17:45<Jason1>I didn't know Jason is a bot.
17:45<Jason1>no wonder it is in use
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17:46<Jason1>I still thinking about trying something in debian. but I am not sure what I want ot try.
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17:47<ml|>Jason1: a bit a reading is what i would at this point
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17:48<ml|>remmeber what i sent you? and just type in terminal debian-reference
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17:50<Jason1>yes I have the reference book already
17:50<Jason1>290 pages
17:51*adb debian-reference: command not found
17:51<ml|>read read read
17:51<Jason1>type type type
17:51<ml|>!slap adb silly
17:51*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across adb silly's face
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17:52<Jason1>!slap Jason1
17:52*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Jason1's face
17:52<Jason1>ok reading.
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17:55<abrotman>please stop playing with the bot
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18:02<chaos>aww.. what is the bot for if not for fun?
18:03<ml|>for helping :)
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18:04<chaos>but happy ppl are relaxed ppl and if ppl relaxed their brains work better
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18:08<Jason1>(06:06:44 PM) Jason1: but question on user id thing
18:08<Jason1>(06:06:48 PM) Jason1: 1 is root right?
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18:09<Jason1>I'm reading the file permission.
18:09<Jason1>I'm looking on the manual.
18:09<Jason1>that part
18:10<Jason1>I'm just looking on the permission, making sure I understand
18:10<Jason1>it may be useful in future
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18:11<ml|>permissions is very important
18:11<amphi>Jason1: root is id 0
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18:12<ml|>Jason1: as root type 'id'
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18:12<Jason1>ah I understand
18:12<Jason1>I see 0
18:13<ml|>what you get?
18:13<Jason1>uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
18:17<Jason1>well what if I want to see the system log? log in as root and get it? or just usr my regular user to view it?
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18:18<ml|>Jason1: to see your logs that need root permissions use root, other wise view them as reguler user
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18:19<Jason1>let me look on the manual again
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18:20<ml|>some don't need root permissions, but most do
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18:23<amphi>Jason1: make you user a member of the adm group, if it isn't already
18:24<Jason1>ok I'm only one who use this desktop so should I?
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18:26<chaos>yay! Resizing the filesystem on /dev/sdb3 to 235405312 (4k) blocks.!!
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18:26<Jason1>I feel hungry for blocks.
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18:27<chaos>soon i will have the 15gb prepared for debian
18:27<chaos>cos i want to keep the old system as a backup
18:28<chaos>anyway ... about the uuid thingy ... that id is going to be the same in debian as it was in fedora?
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18:31<ml|>problably not, it's not default in debian unless things changed in the installer, but you can set that up later
18:31<ml|>if you want
18:31<chaos>i really don't :)
18:32<chaos>but i'm scared the preseeded install will delete a partition i really don't want deleted :)
18:32<ml|>well most likely see /dev/ in fstab
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18:33<chaos>is there any way i can make sure the partman-auto will not delete any partition?
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18:42<Kjetil_>where can I download older debian installer isos ?
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18:42<chaos>how much older?
18:42<Kjetil_>maybe even woody
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18:43<chaos>etch i see on the default download pate
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18:44<abrotman>!cd archive
18:44<dpkg>A repository of older (unsupported) CD images can be found at
18:44<maxb>Hi, I've just upgraded a machine etch->lenny, and it seems that now it's ignoring its /etc/hosts file - can anyone suggest what the problem might be?
18:44<chaos>ftp.<country code>
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19:02<Kjetil_>that almost worked :P
19:03<chaos>Torsten_W: you sure you counted the ts right? :D
19:03<Torsten_W>chaos, sorry, this was my cat
19:04<llutz_>only 2 keys, small paws ;) hi Torsten_W
19:05<Torsten_W>hi llutz_
19:05<Torsten_W>llutz_, the little tiger is 10 weeks old
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19:06<llutz_>ah, "want have!"
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19:23<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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19:42<johns>Is sid safe to update again? Wrt dbus, keyboards, etc..
19:43<olasd>I updated and rebooted mine yesterday and it's working, so I'd say yes. but YMMV
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19:54<chaos>i have resized my partition successfully but it reports 0byte free even tho max-used !=0 :(
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20:14<timcats>howdy folks
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20:21<timcats>So has anybody here ever installed Debian on an Apple G4 dual 800? I'm having lots of trouble and can't figure anything out from docs, forums, or google. Any help or direction to other help would be mega appreciated!
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20:33<timcats>how about another channel that would be more appropriate to install questions?
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20:35<olasd>well, maybe you could state your *specific* problems one after another
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20:38<timcats>Alright, just didn't want to fill the channel with stuff if I wasn't in the right place...
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20:41<olasd>timcats: mmm, the G4 is PPC right? If so, maybe #debianppc could be more helpful
20:41<timcats>Ah, ok, that seems like the best place. Thank you!
20:42<olasd>no problem :)
20:43<johns>olasd: okay, thanks
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21:17<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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22:35<Jason>question: how do Intake a screenshot with my mouse pointer?
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22:40<olasd>Jason1: interesting question
22:41<Jason1>most time I took a screenshot, it didn't take a shot of my mouse pointer
22:41<olasd>... the answer of which I can' seem to find...
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22:44<olasd>Jason1: it seems that shutter is able to do that
22:45<jmarsden>Jason1: You can slso run gnome-screenshot --interactive and in the dialog check the box for "Include pointer"
22:45<Jason1>aptitude install shutter?
22:45<Jason1>oh hm.
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22:47<Jason1>gnome-screenshot --interactive don't have the option
22:47<Jason1>it is why I ask here
22:47<jmarsden>Hmmm, what version of it are you using?
22:47<Jason1>not sure
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22:49<jmarsden>What does dpkg-query -W gnome-utils output?
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22:51<jmarsden>OK, you are running Lenny... if you were using testing (Squeeze) you'd have that option...
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22:53<jmarsden>Jason1: Hmmm, shutter also seems to only exist in testing and unstable... so on Lenny I don't know what to suggest.
22:54<Tobiask_>I installed DEbian Lenny. The Hard disk often stop, why? May I disable Acpid?
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22:56<Jason1>let me try alt-print screen key
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23:00<Jason1>I instyalled Imagemagick
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23:01<Jason1>how do I find it?
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23:09<widebass>Good afternoon debian lovers
23:09<jmarsden>Jason1: dpkg -L imagemagick will list all the files in that package... look for the programs it put in /usr/bin and try man COMMAND for each of them?
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23:09<olasd>you're looking for import
23:10<Tobiask_>how to disable acpid on boot?
23:10<Tobiask_>my hdd often stop
23:11<Tobiask_>is there a problem with acpid?
23:11<Jason1>aha yes
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23:11<Jason1>it do have imagemagick command thing
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23:14<Jason1>oh well it's ok. I don't need imagemagick anyways
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23:19<olasd>Wow, I just submitted a bug on shutter (missing dependency), it was marked pending in 15 minutes. I'm impressed.
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23:28<widebass>olasd: that's good to hear that the debian community is on the case :)
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23:47<edge>im back
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23:48<edge>GOT IT TO WORK!!!! WOOT!
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23:53<widebass>hello edge
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