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---Logopened Sun Jul 19 00:00:43 2009
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00:30<h3n>i'm trying to downgrade mesa can anyone help?
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01:04<jk_>can someone help me with my sound card problems ?
01:04<jk_>i just upgraded to lenny
01:04<jk_>and my sound is gone
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01:17<jk_><jk_> can someone help me with my sound card problems ?
01:17<jk_><jk_> i just upgraded to lenny
01:17<jk_><jk_> and my sound is gone
01:17<jk_><jk_> :(
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01:33<redmaw>can I update flashplayer via aptitude?
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01:41<quaker66>redmaw, sure, why not?
01:41<quaker66>but the flashplugin-nonfree package does not contain flash itself
01:41<quaker66>just a post-installation script which downloads flash from adobe
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01:47<Plague>aptitude search flashplayer-nonfree
01:47<quaker66>Plague, it is flashplugin-nonfree
01:47<quaker66>then there is flashplayer-mozilla but i dunno what it is for
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01:48<quaker66>ah that package is in debian-multimedia repo
01:48<quaker66>they should remove it :)
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01:48<Plague>why ¿
01:48<quaker66>why to have flashplayer in that repo when it is in official repo?
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01:50<Plague>i try to install flashplayer in chromium... but.. don't work
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01:50<Plague>in iceweasel work fine!
01:50<quaker66>and also, the package in debian-multimedia is the old version
01:50<quaker66>no native amd64 library
01:50<quaker66>there is the version which requires nspluginwrapper on amd64
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01:51<quaker66>in chromium you must link the flashplayer .so files to its plugin dir :)
01:51<quaker66>and then flash will work
01:51<quaker66>but i don't remember the directory for chromium plugins
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01:53<Plague>i try whit this... cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
01:53<goody>except Vim and Emacs, is there any other easy-use code editor/browser in Linux?
01:53<Plague>but don't work
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01:54<Plague>whatrever... just use iceweasel 3.5
01:55<quaker66>i am using iceweasel 3.5 from experimental too
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02:01<chaos>i have resized my ext2 filesystem but now it keeps telling me that there's 0byte free on the partition... what do i do?
02:02<chaos>it's 884gb total, 880gb used 0gb avail 100% use :(
02:02<chaos>fsck says it's all fine :(
02:02<chaos>heeeelp :(
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02:08<goody>chaos: try to use cfdisk to check whether is the same result
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02:09<goody>maybe reboot is necessary
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02:12<RedMaw>is libsas12-2 supposed to be in the repositories for lenny?
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02:54<ert34>My screen isn't being blocked when I close my lid? How do I fix that?
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02:57<Lavir>Hi everybody! Please tell, can I create RAID array with following configuration:
02:57<Lavir>Disks: a) 1 Tb and b) 1.5 Tb. "a" is fully backuped to the beginning of "b". Also there 500 Gb free on "b". And how can such an array be created?
02:58<_spOOn_>yes, you can
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02:59<_spOOn_>create two 1tb partitions (one on each disk)
02:59<_spOOn_>then use raid one across the two partitions
03:00<Lavir>Oh. Such easy... Thank you very much! ^-^
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03:00<arw>!win drakeman
03:00<dpkg>Congratulations, drakeman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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03:02<ert34>My screen isn't being blocked when I close my lid!!! How do I fix that?
03:03<arw>depends of your desktop manager
03:03<_spOOn_>Lavir, use something like mdadm --create /dev/md0 --chunk=64 --level=raid1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 to create the array
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03:05<ert34>I lost something?
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03:06<arw>ert34: version of debian?
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03:08<arw>ert34: do you have instaled gnome-screesaver?
03:08<ert34>Oh, it's working again.
03:08<ert34>I lost this feature for some time.
03:09<craigevil>check the settings in gnome-power-manager
03:09<drakeman>hey craigevil ,
03:10<arw>!lost arw
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03:16<_spOOn_>hmm, seems that if i join #debian-offtopic, xchat crashes....
03:17<ert34>Sometimes it is being blocked, but I didn't modified anything on preferences. I think this could be a bug
03:17<ert34>Sometimes not
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03:22<Nazcafan>what command yields a message in an infinite loop?
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03:34<EmleyMoor>When I run a root terminal I can type pound and euro signs - but when I run a terminal as myself I can't - what have I not set right?
03:34<EmleyMoor>Pound gives a # and new line, euro just beeps
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03:42<EmleyMoor>Might have found it - back soon
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03:44<EmleyMoor>It worked
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03:45<EmleyMoor>Euro seems to be a question mark in here
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03:55<dpkg>antonio: VATTENE VIA
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03:59<bremner>EmleyMoor: fwiw, I saw pound question-mark too.
04:00<bremner>in your root term, what is LANG (i.e. echo $LANG)
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04:01<EmleyMoor>bremner: That's what I fixedq en_GB -> en_GB.UTF-8
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04:01<quaker66>EmleyMoor, first link
04:01<quaker66>maybe you will find a solution there?
04:01<Lounge>is it better to use su or sudo which one is safer as far as security?
04:02<quaker66>Lounge, i think su is more secure
04:02<EmleyMoor>Might it be necessary to restart irssi to make it work?
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04:02<Lounge>so use su to switch the terminal to root?
04:02<quaker66>or just use command su -c "command ARGUMENTS"
04:03<quaker66>if you don't want to write "" you can make a wrapper script
04:03<quaker66>one line.. su -c "$@"
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04:03<quaker66>+ #!/bin/bash on the beginning of course
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04:04<quaker66>EmleyMoor, did it help?
04:04<Lounge>the "$@" is replaced with something like apt-get update?
04:04<quaker66>$@ is "all script arguments variable" in bash
04:05<quaker66>when you write su -c apt-get update, it will not set update as apt-get argument
04:05<quaker66>with that script, it will.
04:05<EmleyMoor>irssi was still using ISO8859-1 obviously
04:05<quaker66>because it will add $@ into ""
04:06<quaker66>EmleyMoor, why don't you use UTF-8 for the whole system?
04:06<EmleyMoor>quaker66: Simply because my good intentions to seem not to have worked
04:07<EmleyMoor>Now I just need to get my work Solaris box to play ball
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04:08<Lounge>so i make a script with 'su -c "$@"' call it "" chmod +x it and use that script in replace for sudo, if i got this straight?
04:09<quaker66>Lounge, wait a moment
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04:11<quaker66>then you can root for example "asroot apt-get install something"
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04:13<Lounge>quaker66: is this to be saved as an .sh script?
04:14<quaker66>just run those four commands :)
04:14<quaker66>except # * :)
04:14<quaker66>they are only comments..
04:14<quaker66>and $, beginning of the line :)
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04:15<Lounge>so the name of this script that goes in the /use/bin is call asroot?
04:16<quaker66>you can call it as you want
04:16<quaker66>you will only need to use different command then :)
04:16<nivannick>why is su safer than sudo?
04:17<maxb>It isn't
04:17<llutz_>it's just different
04:17<nivannick>Using sudo seems preferable to writing custom scripts to me, is all
04:17<nivannick>and you don't need to have a root password set (or remembered)
04:17<llutz_>sudo don't need root password, that makes it interesting for _some_ tasks
04:18<Lounge>here's the article i read about pretty much sudo not so secure but then again it might be but it seems trvial
04:19<Lounge>im not sure if the blogger wasn't just being over paranoid but collected allot of crtical comments
04:20<nivannick>hm, that's a reasonable point, but setting sudo's remember password timeout to 0 should deal with that
04:20<llutz_>Lounge: sudo can be secure, but has to be configured right
04:20<quaker66>llutz_, yes, thats right :)
04:21<Lounge>this article is ofc about ubuntu's sudo
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04:21<quaker66>well, ubuntu uses quite standard sudo configuration
04:21<maxb>It's not even about sudo, really
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04:21<piojpijh>erver 23
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04:22<maxb>It's complaining that applications which invoke sudo should do so with an absolute patch
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04:23<nivannick>ah, so it is
04:24<llutz_>since lots of users still have "." in their $PATH ...
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04:30<Lounge>lol dang for some reason - it would appear that my ubuntu machine had a problem with root password authenticating
04:30<Lounge>so i had to do a 'sudo chmod 4750 /bin/su'
04:30<Lounge>now su works again
04:31<Lounge>im wondering if some update/upgrade messed it up
04:32<Lounge>now the permissions to /bin/su are set to -rwsr-x--- is that safe?
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04:32<bremner>!tell Lounge -about ubuntu
04:33<ml|>yeah was up with all this talk about ubuntu in here
04:34<Lounge>bremner: yes my apolgies about the ubuntu talk as this is a debian channel
04:34<bremner>Lounge: security setup is delicate, you should talk to people who understand the ubuntu setup
04:34<bremner>fwiw, on my debian sid box, /bin/su is -rwsr-xr-x
04:35<Lounge>i was trying to su over to root but there was problem with su authenticating the pass on my ubuntu box that im ssh'ing into
04:35<bremner>ubuntu has eccentric ideas about root passwords
04:35<Lounge>but im not about to ssh with root so i now im fully using that box with mouse/kb
04:37<Lounge>yes but if there was some sort of decprication like slowly phazing out su on ubuntu, i've heard no news about it
04:37<Lounge>so maybe its a 'hush hush' change
04:38<Lounge>but now i can try quaker66's script setup
04:38<Lounge>just had to fix su
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04:43<marcel_>i like the easyness of gnome keybord shortcuts. but what if for example i wanted to set a keyboard shortcut for xcalc. there is no default binding for a calculater in the gnome keyboart shortcurts
04:44<chaos>i have a calc button on my keyboard :P
04:45<nivannick>me too, it's mapped to set my irssi as /away brb :)
04:45<Lounge>quaker66: ok the script work, it just took me a few times figure out i need to use quotes in the command
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04:45<quaker66>Lounge, ok
04:46<Lounge>but yeah this is neet because now i can switch my ubuntu user account to a regular non-admin user
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04:47<marcel_>chaos: great but that does not help me ;x
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04:51<Engywuck>as a proud user of Debioan I now have some specialised questions for cups
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04:51<chaos>good day to you doo
04:51<Engywuck>but don't find an IRC channel for it
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04:51<Engywuck>does anyone know one?
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04:52<Engywuck>(my company would like to change printing system, iff that system can be used to print the same input file without further interaction both to PDF for archiving and the "real" network printer - in case anyone here knows if that's possible]
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04:55<gsimmons>Engywuck: Try ##cups on
04:57<Engywuck>thank you
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04:58<wperz>hello ... new to debian ... 5.02 stable amd64
04:58<Engywuck>good for you
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04:59<wperz>made the switch from ubuntu 9.04 32 bit ... quite impressed with the speed ... was a bit curious about repository updates though
05:00<wperz>for example, the debian-multimedia repository is causing me some headaches while trying to compile dvdstyler (which crashes for me when I try to transcode)
05:00<wperz>if I have pre-transcoded MPEG2 (from mencoder), things are fine
05:01<wperz>also, was jumping through hoops and barrels to try and compile ktorrent 3.2.2 because the only ktorrent in the repository is like 2.8 or 2.5
05:01<wperz>it looked like everything I wanted was in testing (sid?) or unstable ... whereas the ubuntu repository had already there
05:02<nivannick>unless this is a server you'll probably want to switch to testing or unstable if you want reasonably up-to-date packages.
05:02<wperz>am I missing somthing?
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05:02<wperz>nivannick ... I was getting that impression
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05:02<wperz>so how *stable* is unstable?
05:02<bremner>!tell wperz about bpo
05:03<nivannick>unstable refers to how often the package versions change
05:03<nivannick>rather than how much they crash
05:03<bremner>!tell wperz about unstable
05:03<nivannick>okay, I'll let the bots do the talking :)
05:03<wperz>that they did ...
05:04*bremner gets his bot-driver badge :)
05:04<olet>but unstable is also prone to breakage of dependencies
05:05<nivannick>aye, I'd probably suggest testing at the moment to newbies
05:05<olet>in packages
05:05<wperz>I always wanted to try debian ... and now I have ... at least the stable repositories ... I guess I'll move to a testing repository next ... I don't think I'm too terribly hard on my machine ... I do a bit of audio editing/transcoding along with video transcoding
05:05<olet>yeah exactly my point :)
05:06<llutz_>when using sid/unstable you should know how to help yourself when something breaks
05:06<wperz>I've been using ubuntu on and off since 1994 ... more ON these days since 9.04 ... I skipped from 6.06 to 8.1 then 9.04
05:06<Engywuck>i use stable on one of my two home machines
05:06<Engywuck>but then i don't need "modern" software that much
05:06<Engywuck>i.e. kde4 :D
05:06<wperz>lol @ Engywuck
05:07<wperz>not trying to start a holy war, but I actually find that I prefer xfce and gnome of kde, but I do like ktorrent
05:07<nivannick>I guess there's also the option of using stable +, but I haven't tried that myself
05:07<Engywuck>i really liked the naming of "kaboom" though :D
05:07<Engywuck>gnome is.... evil
05:07<Engywuck>i want to use my system, not se "pretty" images :D+
05:08<nivannick>holy war... started.
05:08<wperz><--- ducks his head
05:08<nivannick>I use ion3, so I can't really contribute to such a discussion :)
05:08<Engywuck>but my laptop has lxde
05:08*nivannick ducks
05:08<wperz>yeah ... I was quite impressed with lxde on a couple live cds I tried
05:09<Engywuck>pah, flamewar already stopped...
05:09<Engywuck>hmmm, what next?
05:09<wperz>see ... I can appease with the best of them
05:09<Engywuck>I use vi, not that bloated emacs
05:09<wperz>I'm not even going there
05:10<wperz>I'm also looking for a new irc client ... using xchat at the moment ... any favorites?
05:10<Engywuck>emacs would be a nice operating system - if it only had a working editor :D
05:10<nivannick>wperz: irssi
05:10<slush>Engywuck: you like anal probes?
05:10<slush>or, /join #flames
05:12<Engywuck>flames are only fun if *not* intended :D
05:12<marcel_>i started to learn something about python. but no i need a good editor should i got for 'vi' or 'vim'? i am not trying to start a flamewar!!
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05:12<Engywuck>on most systems vi is the "old style mode" of vim
05:13<Engywuck>and vim has way more features
05:13<nivannick>and actually tells you when you're in insert mode
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05:13<marcel_>ok thanks
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05:16<wperz>I'm about to try irssi ... xchat listed this as 'Debian Servers' ... what's the irc address for this?
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05:17<tuhga33>how do i check howmany cores debian is using?
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05:18<Engywuck>this is oftc network
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05:23<wperz>well ... now running irssi
05:25<marcel_>wperz: good for you =) welcome to a much more logical irc ;x
05:25<nivannick>the most important keystroke is Alt+[number] (or Esc, [number]) to switch to different windows. Apart from that, is a good place to start.
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05:31<wperz>ahhh ... thats better ... in its own little terminal window now
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05:31<nivannick>wperz: combine with 'screen' for amazement :)
05:32<nivannick>anyway, these groceries won't buy themselves
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05:32<wperz>combine with screen? I'm lost
05:32<wperz>cmon ... help a brother out ... just switched from ubuntu less than 1 week ago
05:33<nivannick>screen's a program that'll keep shell apps running even if you close the terminal they're in
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05:33<wperz>so like `screen irssi -c`
05:33<llutz_>wperz: screen (1) - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation to be used with irssi, it's a perfect couple
05:34<wperz>what the heck ... I'll give it a try ... going to /quit
05:34<nivannick>then if you do close the terminal you open another one and reconnect irssi using 'screen -dR'
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05:35<wperz>sorr ... was too quick to see that last one ... was screen -sR?
05:35<nivannick>screen -dR
05:36<nivannick>(or any other number of switches depending on exactly what you want to do)
05:36<wperz>yeah .. I'll look at the switches another time
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05:36<wperz>so I could open up another tab and #join another channel?
05:37<nivannick>no, irssi has its own built-in windowing system
05:37<wperz>where should I look for the docs on it?
05:37<nivannick> :)
05:38<nivannick>basically you just /join #somechannel, but pay attention to where it says [7:#debian(+clnt)] in the status bar -- the 7 is the window number and you switch windows using Alt+thatnumber
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05:38<nivannick>anyway, yes, shopping...
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05:41<wperz>ugh ... my brain's starting to spin on the documentation ... time for some sleep ...
05:41<wperz>it's saved in my google bookmarks, though
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05:43<wperz>ty everyone for your help ... I'll probably move to testing repositories this week
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06:11<jeff009>je viens d'installer freenx, je n'ai pas le son ... tout semble fonctionner... je n'ai pas le son.Pourriez vous m'aider? je vous remercie ;)
06:12<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
06:12<jeff009>merci ;)
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06:17<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, uy is Uruguay
06:17<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tk is the TKinter GUI toolkit
06:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
06:18<dpkg>cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
06:18<locsmif>I really thought .tk was a country
06:18<locsmif>Some kind of island in the pacific
06:18<locsmif>(That has no use for a large collection of domain names, which is why it sells a lot of them)
06:19<llutz_>.tk (Tokelau)
06:20<Gekz>locsmif: it's a dependency of New Zealand
06:20<Gekz>has no permanent residents iirc
06:20<Gekz>just nomads
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06:39<ottoshmidt>which compression would be better for spilling large file - .7z, .cbr or .rar?
06:40<ottoshmidt>not spilling but splitting
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06:40<ottoshmidt>.cbr it's listed in my archive manager
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06:41<bigeasy>cbr ist .rar
06:41<bigeasy>and 7z has the highest compression ration
06:42<ottoshmidt>and time for doing jobs?
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06:42<ottoshmidt>7z would take much more time or not really?
06:42<bigeasy>in that case I recomment pbzip, it uses multi core
06:42<bigeasy>7z takes more time, yes
06:43<ottoshmidt>no pbzip included , should add?
06:43<bigeasy>pbzip2 is the correct name
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06:43<ottoshmidt>it's CLI version?
06:44<bigeasy>yes, it is
06:44<ottoshmidt>let's give it a whirl
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06:45<ottoshmidt>what is multi core's advantage?
06:45<bigeasy>if you have more than one cpu, pbzip2 can use all of them while compressing
06:45<ottoshmidt>and if don't have while compressing but have when Uncompressing? :P
06:46<bigeasy>uncompressing doesn't matter
06:46<bigeasy>if you dan't have while compressing than it doesn't matter either
06:46<bigeasy>in that case grab 7z and a cup of coffee :)
06:46<ottoshmidt>thanks for an idea
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07:11<matth_> aka seems to have an AAAA RR but nothing is answering on port tcp/80 on it => DoS for IPv6 enabled people trying to access
07:12<matth_>was working in the past (dunno if the AAAA addition is new)
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07:15<negledabs>i'm reading a debion/etch guide to setting up an NFS share, which involves editing /etc/exports, is there an easier or more forward way of making NFS shares these days?
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07:28<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:29<RapJamMc>cAXXO CE KUA?
07:29<RapJamMc>CE KALKUNO??
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07:29<RapJamMc>PORCO DIO
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07:29<abrotman>RapJamMc: english here
07:30<jeff_hann>abrotman: he's swearing like there's no tomorrow :P
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07:30<abrotman>not anymore!
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07:32<amphi>'pig god' seems quite feeble
07:33<dr|z3d>Nah, it's an expression of frustration.
07:33<dr|z3d>A bit like "puta madre".
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07:34*themill likes amphi's translation better :P
07:34<dr|z3d>I wasn't translating anything. Just giving a context :P
07:34<themill>not necessarily on the grounds of accuracy
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07:36<ao2>there are also some funny less blasphemous variations like "porco zio" (which means "pig uncle")
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08:00<nickzxcv>is it possible to setup openssh to make a new host key at next boot instead of immediately with dpkg-reconfigure?
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08:06<maxb>Can anyone advise me on what the differences between debootstrap and cdebootstrap are, beyond the obvious one of implementation language?
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08:11<whilo>how do i redirect a serial connection to an usb port
08:11<whilo>google is not my friend today
08:12<adb>maxb: cdeb.. are for embedded , i guess
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08:13<whilo>i want to use an normal usb to usb cable to connect my laptop to my server (like i would do with a serial cable)
08:13<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
08:13<abrotman>whilo: you want to use USB to make a serial terminal connection ?
08:13<whilo>abrotman: yep
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08:16<whilo>abrotman: can i create a serial device on an usb port somehow? or do i have to use some program? some man page or hint maybe? they always want to sell me serial to usb connectors :-(
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08:16<abrotman>no idea, never tried
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08:18<whilo>abrotman: but this should be technically possible right?
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08:19<abrotman>honestly not sure .. there is a serial console howto .. not sure if the kernel would be able to redirect over USB
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08:25<SHINSAKU>Is there any possiblity to "inform" apt-get that I want to upgrade only PHP5 packages from " " ? using Lenny
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08:26<jackyf>SHINSAKU: man apt_preferences
08:26<miguel>how do i get mencoder?
08:26<miguel>i installed mplayer, but its not present :(
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08:29<themill>dpkg: tell SHINSAKU about multiple ask
08:30<themill>miguel: it's on dmm. /msg dpkg dmm
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08:32<miguel>thank you
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08:38<justus>is anybody using debian on a powermac g4?
08:39<miguel>: GPG error: lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
08:39<miguel>should i use apt-get to update?
08:39<miguel>because thats whats suggested
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08:40<miguel>i use aptitude normally
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08:40<ml|>use aptitude
08:40<maxb>It doesn't really matter, it's just saying that after you've imported the relevant public key, you need a package list update to make that take effect
08:40<miguel>ook my fault
08:40<miguel>i should install debian-multimedia-keyring
08:41<miguel>dpkg told me that ;)
08:41<dpkg>miguel: I give up, what is it?
08:42<justus>why doesn't visudo exist on my new debian installation?
08:42<azeem_>justus: because sudo isn't installed by default
08:42<olet>justus: because sudo isn't a default package
08:42*olet is slow
08:44<negledabs>is there any reason not to create an 'msdos' partitiont able, when partitioning a new drive?
08:44<negledabs>even if its only supposed to be used with Debian/Linux?
08:45<olet>negledabs: no
08:45<negledabs>apart from aesthetic reasons ;). but thanks olet
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08:47*adb thought sudo et al is a test/trap for ubu (ex?) users
08:48<themill>sudo was around well before ubuntu
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08:49<justus>sudo is also being used in mac os x
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08:51*adb point users not sudo
08:51<Aleric>How can I print a plain text file?
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08:51<Aleric>If I use 'lpr' it cuts off the first two characters on the left :(
08:52<dr|zed>Aleric: Open in gedit, print..
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09:09<justus>how can i find my rsa key fingerprint for ssh?
09:12<patrikf>justus: ssh-keygen -l
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09:16<locsmif>Gekz, thanks :)
09:16<justus>member:patrikf thanks, now i just need to know which file the key is in
09:16<Gekz>long time
09:17<patrikf>justus: ~/.ssh/id_rsa is the default key, so you can just hit enter at the prompt
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09:17<Aleric>dr|zed: There is no 'print'... nothing to configure there anyway
09:17<justus>patrikf: i thought so too, but it doesn't work
09:17<Aleric>themill: How can I configure the printer margins?
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09:23<Aleric>cups printer manager does not allow to set margins
09:24<azeem_>Aleric: are you sure this should be the printer manager's job?
09:24<Aleric>no, I have no idea
09:24<Aleric>just trying to get it to print right
09:25<azeem_>maybe try to explain your issue from the beginning
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09:25<themill>Aleric: it should be defined in the PPD (I think). Else you could use something like a2ps as you can specifiy the margins there
09:25<Aleric>I can print fine from within iceweasel, but when want to print a simple ascii text file, using 'lpr foo.txt' cuts off the first two characters.
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09:26<Aleric>test pages are printed fine.
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09:27<Aleric>Isn't there some tool on debian to print ascii files?
09:28<prahal>hi I build a debian netinst using live-helper . Now I wonder if it fails to detect wireless network (the card is detected properly) due to missing wireless-tools/wpasupplicant or driver bug (it is ath5k and I wonder if even in 2.6.30 it was stable ... monthes ago it was working but with wireless-testing kernel
09:28<azeem_>prahal: or maybe the firmware is missing
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09:29<prahal>azeem_, though I discarded this issue as ath5k does not need a firmware at least that what I though
09:29<chaos>if i boot from a different linux and have the debian install cd mounted on a loop device can i install it from there?
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09:30<dpkg>[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx PCI wireless LAN chipsets. See for more information and supported devices. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <wireless tree>.
09:31<azeem_>chaos: I don't think so
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09:34<prahal>azeem_, what lead me to ask is I had a debian netinstall (that was broken later on due to libc6 issue) which was asking if the neetwork was wpa . The one I build does not (and also does not ship wpasupplicant thus I am wondering hoow it could even attempt to access one. Mind you I also try live-helper as I have a second netbook for which the driver is only in my local tree and an older version in rt2x00 ... thus I am looking af
09:34<prahal>ter building custom debian netinstall after I managed to get the vanilla one working on the first netbook
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09:36<prahal>and the current network is open ... but I wonder how netcfg scan for essid (and associate with them). Because it does not require wpasupplicant nor wireless tools and I don't know what it uses (custom code ?? would be weird but still a possibility).
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09:37<prahal>if nobody knows I ll end up looking at the source of netcfg but it will take a lot of time for something that is well known from a lot of people in debian I guess
09:37<RomanK>Hi there! I'm trying to put a usb-harddrive to sleep (using debian stable), but everything i tried didn't work (sdparm, blktool)... has anyone a solution?=
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09:57<secret>does anybody knows how to setup a proxy connection? i have the server, and the port but it is not working for me
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10:06<chaos> is not loading :(
10:06<nivannick>works for me
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10:08<dr|z3d>chaos: Try accessing via
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10:12<dr|z3d>chaos: Please don't pm me.. ask your question here.. much more help available. :)
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10:13<dpkg>well, pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance
10:13<dr|z3d>Irritating factoid.
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10:14<patrikf>dr|z3d: "private" would be the one
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10:15<chaos>is it possible to install debian if i want to avoid booting from the installer cd/usb/whatever?.. like knoppix boots just fine so i thought i'd copy the install image to the usb stick and start it from knoppix? sorry azeem_ but i hope some1 has an idea to do it somehow afterall
10:16<kop>!tell chaos -about debian live
10:16<dr|z3d>patrikf: Ah, thanks.
10:16<bremner>chaos: can you run debootstrap from your live disc?
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10:17<patrikf>dpkg: pm is also ask me about <private>
10:17<dpkg>okay, patrikf
10:17<chaos>umm.. i dunno debootstrap? live disc?
10:17<olasd>dpkg: tell chaos about debootstrap
10:17<kop>!tell chaos -about install
10:18<patrikf>chaos: it's possible, but slightly more complicated. install from CD is the easiest way for beginners
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10:19<chaos>that might be true and i'd happily put myself in the beginner group but it's just not gonna happen for me in this case :)
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10:22<chaos>gonna be fun to compile a new kernel .. haven't done it for way too long
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10:24<Slurb>i know a good how-to
10:25<chaos>well i'm gonna stick to menuconfig and the make-kpkg tools
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10:26<Slurb>check it out
10:26<Slurb>i think its the way you do it
10:26<chaos>i will, thx
10:26<Slurb>in english
10:26<chaos>#debian-german i guess
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10:26<Guest1582>do anybody speak german?
10:26<Slurb>knoppix do you speak any english
10:27<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
10:27<Slurb>whats germany's country code
10:27<Slurb>yeah thats it
10:27<chaos> it seems
10:28<Slurb>its funny how the german instructions are in english
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10:28<Slurb>we should have a member from update dpkg
10:29<Slurb>it is in german at the beginning
10:29<Slurb>my bad
10:29<chaos>the first half means the same as the 2nd of dpkgs response
10:29<Slurb>i figured that
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10:37<olasd>it's funny how people only read what they understand, discarding the rest :)
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10:43<chaos>there's not much point in reading stuff you don't understand, is there?
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10:52<prahal>hum I dug in the source code of netcfg and it is indeed reinventing the wheel (in a lighter way).
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10:53<prahal>my issue seems to lay in the fact that lh_build make a proper live system (kernel 2.6.30) while the debian installer one is still at and seems to have broken support for ath5k
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10:54<prahal>so is there a way to change the kernel from debian netinst from within livehelper build system or should one first create a new netinst then try to integrate this in livehelper ?
10:54<chaos>some1 tell me what the difference is between debian-live boot option screen & debian boot option screen in terms of support ...
10:54<digitalj>Hi, I'd like to report a bug
10:55<chaos>please :) <-- i was going to put that somewhere in there
10:55<digitalj>Fresh install of lenny, dist-upgrade to testing + KDE4.2 = problems right out of the box :\
10:56<adb>dpkg: tell digitalj about reportbug
10:56<adb>digitalj: don't double post , please
10:58<tzafrir_laptop>prahal, debian-live's installer (which is an extra copy of the debian installer) or the debian-live live system?
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11:01<prahal>tzafrir_laptop, debian live installer
11:01<prahal>the debian live live system use the correct kernel (and is able to connect to the network)
11:02<tzafrir_laptop>It is basically a copy of the debian installer
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11:07<prahal>do you mean it download and use the debian installer as is ? or that it ship the build system of the debian installer itself ?
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11:17<marcel_>where and how can i add this kernel option 'pci=nommconf'
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11:17<marcel_>i run debian lenny
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11:21<sebo>sda lar nasıl baglanır
11:21<digitaloktay>mount /dev/sda /mnt
11:21<johns>I just installed gnome-desktop-environment, and the gnome-power-manager, and now my laptop screen won't go to true 100% brightness even on AC.
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11:22<digitaloktay>sebo, geri baglantiyi kesmek icin umount /mnt
11:22<johns>Any idea what's responsible for that (in sid)? The power manager properties box says it at 100%, as does the pop-up when I hit the brightness keys.
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11:23<azeem_>digitaloktay, sebo: this is an english-language channel
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11:23<johns>It's not just not at 100%, it's uncomfortably dim, I'd guess around 75-80%
11:23<sebo>her seferinde bu komutu vemek zorundamıyım yoksa bir kereye mahsuzmu
11:23<digitaloktay>azeem_, kickt raus
11:23<azeem_>so make up your own channel
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11:24<azeem_>why are you kicked from #debiantr?
11:24<sebo>nediyo oyahu küfürmü ediyor
11:24<dpkg>hmm... tr is türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
11:24<azeem_>sebo: this is an english-language channel
11:24<sebo>ne diyon
11:24<Jason>I know it is english :)
11:25<digitaloktay>sebo, #debiantr gel
11:25<digitaloktay>azeem_, ok we join #debiantr
11:25<azeem_>Jason: hrm?
11:25<sebo>yasakmı türkce konuşmak yahu
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11:26<azeem>17:21 < azeem_> sebo: this is an english-language channel
11:26<sebo>anladık yahu
11:26<Jason>I know this room is english only
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11:26<azeem>Jason: did I say you didn't?
11:27<azeem>sebo: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for writing non-english
11:28<Jason>naw. I just I know, that's all :)
11:28<Jason>10 minutes? long time! :)
11:28<azeem>Jason: please keep it on topic
11:28<Jason>ok. sorry.
11:28<azeem>if everybody comments on stuff all the time, this channel would be totally useless
11:28<azeem>there's 400 people in here
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11:29<digitaloktay>no 397 :P
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11:45<secret>prahal, ahoj
11:46<digitaloktay>azeem, 10 minutes are over ;)
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11:54<Kjetil_>Can I force dpkg to mark a package as installed ?
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11:54<themill>!wayttd Kjetil_
11:54<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, Kjetil_?
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11:57<Slurb>kjetil what are you trying to accomplish
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11:57<Kjetil>apt won't upgrade the system because it's unable to upgrade the archive keyring. ( GPG complains about the new key, keys downloaded from ) It's and oldstable installation so I don't care about the security issue
11:57<azeem>gpg complains how?
11:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
11:58<Kjetil>gpg: key 55BE302B: no valid user IDs
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11:59<chaos>i have installed the debian-live image on my usb stick and booted it and in the menu which popped up first my kvm keyboard was responsive contrary to the very very similar boot menu of lenny & etch ... any ideas why this happens?
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11:59<themill>dpkg: tell Kjetil about new archive key
12:00<Kjetil>guess what error debian-archive-keyring (2009.01.31) yields..
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12:01<Slurb>kjetil it appears that the key has lost its self signature
12:01<themill>Kjetil: /msg dpkg apt-key 55BE302B
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12:02<Kjetil>hmpf. the SecureApt wiki said to use as server
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12:03<themill>shouldn't matter... it will be the same key
12:03<Slurb>kjetil im on the same page...just by chance...great minds think alike
12:03<Kjetil>except that the connection times out when connecting
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12:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
12:05<Slurb>chaos i had the same thing happen...i think its whether or not you had the usb keyboard checked in the bios at install
12:05<Slurb>i never really got that one
12:06<Slurb>a new kernel or maybe it was a grub update fixed it
12:06<themill>Kjetil: your gpg seems very very unhappy. That key is definitely quite fine. Is the date/time on your machine about right?
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12:07<chaos>Slurb: but like i said it works fine with debian-live so i find it really hard to accept that the problem is in my device :(
12:08<Kjetil>it's was 2 hours off. I set correctly but didn't fix it
12:08<Slurb>chaos try running update-grub
12:08<chaos>update-grub? hows that going to change the debian install usb?
12:09<Slurb>on the usb install
12:09<Slurb>you installed grub right
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12:09<chaos>i fetched the image and zcat 'ed on the the device
12:10<themill>Kjetil: can you manually fetch the archive package from and dpkg -i it?
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12:11<Slurb>when it boots to the startup screen aka grub you would see prolly two choices for kernels to boot. one being normal. the other single user. this is the grub screen. you are saying the keyboard is responsive on usb screen and the keyboard is not on a live-cd
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12:12<Slurb>same computer?
12:12<chaos>but keyboard works with live image but doesn't work with installer
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12:13<Slurb>oh an installer
12:13<Slurb>i thought you had a debian system on a usb stick
12:14<chaos>i have the install on the usb
12:14<Slurb>usb keyboard?
12:14<chaos>well it's a virtual keyboard
12:14<chaos>part of the kvm
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12:14<chaos>virtual keyboard & mouse
12:14<Slurb>do you run debian?
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12:15<Slurb>or are you trying to install debian in a virtualbox
12:15<themill>Kjetil: very very weird
12:16<chaos>:S atm i'm chatting through a vnc window to a debian ... i run the vnc from vista .. i connect to the kvm from my web browser in vista and the box has a working fedora on it
12:16<chaos>i'm tryin to install debian on the remote box to a partition
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12:17<Slurb>that sounds far too complicated to do
12:17<digitaloktay>sebo, ping
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12:17<chaos>Slurb: if it was easy i would've been done with it 2 weeks ago
12:17<chaos>but i only have time to work on it at weekends
12:17<Slurb>i wouldnt trust the install of an os to a situation like that, if it could even be done
12:18<chaos>why not?
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12:18<chaos>the fedora was installed the same way and there's no chance i'm getting close to this box physically any time soon ... if at all
12:18<Slurb>unless you have the usb stick plugged directly into the fedora
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12:19<chaos>the usb stick is connected to the box yes
12:19<chaos>the remote box
12:19<Slurb>well you would have to have support for the keyboard in the install kernel
12:20<chaos>but according to #debian-live the live thing is based on the stable linux kernel so if i use the stable install it should work, right?
12:21<Slurb>i would think so
12:21<chaos>me too .. that's why i'm back here pushing my point :)
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12:24<Slurb>is the mouse responsive?
12:24<chaos>there's no mouse
12:24<chaos>i mean i don't think there should be a mouse at that menu at all
12:25<Slurb>ahh the boot menu on the install image
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12:28<Slurb>so you cant get the installer even to start
12:28<chaos>i get the screen with Install / Graphical install / ... / ... and that's where i'm stuck
12:30<Slurb>can you tell the kvm to report the keyboard as different?
12:30<adb>and direct plugging don't help ?
12:32<chaos>i tried generic, linux, dos .. no difference
12:32<chaos>adb: the box physically is a few thousand kms away from me
12:33<Slurb>well is there and option to connect the keyboard to the debian...even though you will lose it on the host
12:33<Slurb>if that works i dont think he will respond
12:33<chaos>i don't understand ...
12:34<chaos>i don't connect to kvm from the debian i'm running the irc client on
12:34<Slurb>when i run a virtualbox i have options to connect the hardware directly to it
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12:35<chaos>the keyboard i'm actually typing on is connected to my vista box and i connect to the kvm from vista
12:36<Slurb>so you are on vista trying to install on a remote box a debian system
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12:37<Slurb>maybe you could debootstrap a system onto it
12:38<chaos>i have no clue how to do that
12:38<Slurb>might help
12:38*chaos goes to read
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12:41<[TT]SkyRyder>Anyone here know how to get fxp enabled on proftpd on debian
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12:42<dr|z3d>[TT]SkyRyder: Try the gadmin gui.. might be quicker.
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12:43<dr|z3d>> aptitude install gadmin-proftpd
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12:44<[TT]SkyRyder>should i uninstall proftpd first
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12:45<Slurb>[TT]SkyRyder: it should install automatically when you install the gui
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12:46<Slurb>if its needed
12:46<[TT]SkyRyder>whats next after i install the guy
12:46<[TT]SkyRyder>fxp will work
12:47<Slurb>its probably an option you can check
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12:48<dr|zed>[TT]SkyRyder: No need to uninstall proftd, no.
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12:51<Kjetil>themill: Come to think about it Slurb gave us the solution. After jogging my memory a bit I remembered there was a problem some time ago which required a 2.4 kernel to import gpg keys or something
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12:51<[TT]SkyRyder>how do istart the gui now
12:51<themill>Kjetil: that's just plain weird
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12:53<[TT]SkyRyder>how do i start the gui
12:53<sadneophyte>hi, I am a 'experienced' linux trying to install a lenny on a laptop which cannot boot from usb or dvd. anyone have any suggestions how I might make the process quicker? An 8 year old ubuntu installation exists on the system. I have never done a bootstrap before.
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12:54<[TT]SkyRyder>u there wstill
12:55<sadneophyte>linux user*
12:55<adb>dpkg: tell sadneophyte about debootstrap
12:55<sadneophyte>abd debbootstrab will slve the booting problem, I only need a netinstall...
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12:56<oscarhacksordo>a que bueno novue
12:57<[TT]SkyRyder>yo no hablo espanol
12:57<[TT]SkyRyder>to hablo ingles?
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12:59<oscarhacksordo>a que yo no poco es apredinr
12:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:59<oscarhacksordo>a ok
12:59<sadneophyte>I was thinking about fdisking the swap on the system and dropping the netinstall image in there.... but that might take a long while... the bios set up usb, but the system ...THIS system won't boot from usb. I prepared the boot using unetboot, but this only boots on my desktop machine
12:59<sadneophyte>can grub boot from usb?
13:00<sadneophyte>the old version on the laptop is 0.97
13:00<sadneophyte>(grub version)
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13:03<Engywuck>the plop bootloader boots from usb...
13:04<sadneophyte>this laptop doesn't boot from usb
13:04<sadneophyte>ohhh you mean ... okay sorry
13:04<[TT]SkyRyder>i just downloaded teh gui
13:04<[TT]SkyRyder>how do i run it from the shell
13:05<Engywuck>with plop you boot from cd, hdd or diskette and then say it to switch to USB
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13:15<locsmif>Hi. How do I get the kernel configuration on a running Debian Lenny?
13:15<locsmif>Is /proc/config.gz a feature not introduced yet on Lenny?
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13:16<themill>locsmif: it's in /boot/config-$(uname -r)
13:16<locsmif>themill, ah, ty
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13:23<[TT]SkyRyder>how do i start the gadmin-proftpd gui
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13:30<[TT]SkyRyder>anyone know
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13:35<dr|z3d>[TT]SkyRyder: Should be on your menu, under Network/Internet.
13:36<[TT]SkyRyder>is ther another way
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13:36<[TT]SkyRyder>i only ahve shell access
13:36<dr|z3d>You won't be able to launch it from shell... it needs X & a window manager.
13:37<[TT]SkyRyder>is there a way to set fxp then through a shell
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13:37<dr|z3d>You might install tightvncserver or x11vnc..
13:37<[TT]SkyRyder>its a vps
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13:37<dr|z3d>No matter. Is it running a desktop environment?
13:37<adb>[TT]SkyRyder: stop asking on both channels , please
13:38<[TT]SkyRyder>lemme ask my host
13:38<[TT]SkyRyder>adb its 2 different networks
13:38<adb>so ?
13:38<dr|z3d>Give him a break, adb!
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13:39<themill>!multiple ask
13:39<dpkg>The chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and OFTC at the same time; there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying.
13:40<dr|z3d>Ah, freenode and oftc.. well.. lots of folk are in both networks, I imagine.
13:40<dr|z3d>So, sure, stick to one channel, [TT]SkyRyder :)
13:41<[TT]SkyRyder>is there a way to set it without the gui
13:41<dr|z3d>If you've got a windowing enviro on your VPS, you can install VNC and have a gui.
13:41<dr|z3d>Probably. You'd have to read the docs.
13:42<locsmif>I wonder if the move to oftc (and the reasons for it) are still well understood
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13:46<Kjetil>themill: upgraded to 2.6 and the keys were added no questions asked
13:47<josemi>"df" said that i have no free space left on / (4,6 Gb) and "du" said that i only have used 128 Mb. does anyone knows what could be happening?
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13:47<abrotman>filesystem error perhaps
13:47<dr|z3d>josemi: Tried aptitiude autoclean ?
13:47<josemi>dr|z3d: yes
13:47<dr|z3d>josemi: Also try touch /forcefsck
13:47<josemi>abrotman: how could i check that?
13:47<Engywuck>i'm not sure., du not going in dottet directories and/or used with non-root userß
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13:48<abrotman>josemi: shutdown -rF
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13:49<themill>Kjetil: that's just plain weird. But do note that etch is not designed to work with a 2.4 kernel at all, so it's not that surprising, I guess.
13:49<josemi>abrotman: ok, but its that process unattended? i am not with the computer
13:50<dr|z3d>josemi: If it finds errors, you'll need to be there to fix 'em.
13:50<josemi>dr|z3d: ok
13:50<dr|z3d>Not sure you can do a automatic yes on reboot.
13:51<dr|z3d>Run manually, fsck -y will automatically answer yes to all prompts.
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13:52<abrotman>josemi: it's unattended as long as it's not serious
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13:53<josemi>any other idea of what could i check? i am not at the same city of the computer
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13:53<josemi>dr|z3d: is not dangerous to run fsck with the filesystem mount?
13:53<josemi>hola oscarhacksordo
13:54<dr|z3d>josemi: It is.
13:54<dr|z3d>Extremely ill advised.
13:55<oscarhacksordo>hola joseni
13:55<josemi>yeah, i should wait and go to see the computer.... shit!
13:55<amphi>unless it's mounted ro
13:55<josemi>amphi: no
13:55<oscarhacksordo>vaya jeje a que yo no entiendo a que a mi idioma es españal
13:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:55<chaos>i hope this debootstrap approach works :)
13:56<josemi>./dev/sda1 4,6G 4,6G 0 100% /
13:56<josemi>fstab -> /dev/sda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
13:56<amphi>josemi: you can't remount it ro?
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13:57<josemi>amphi: i guess i could, but i dont know how
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13:58<amphi>josemi: mount / -oremount,ro
13:59<amphi>josemi: you'll have to kill several things I expect, syslog for example
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13:59<josemi>josemi@underbau:~$ sudo mount / -oremount,ro
13:59<josemi>it doesnt said nothing
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13:59<josemi>so should had work
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14:00<chaos>can i annoy you with debootstrap problems too? :)
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14:01<amphi>josemi: mount with no args will show you
14:02<josemi>./dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
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14:02<chaos>debootstrap was running fine logging to the screen a whole lot of I: Extracting .... lines up until it crashed with W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/deb mount -t proc proc /proc (/mnt/deb is where i mounted the partition i'm trying to install debian to)
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14:03<azeem>chaos: what was the command line you used?
14:03<azeem>oscarinformaticahacksordo__: please write english
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14:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:03<chaos>/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch amd64 etch /mnt/deb http://ftp.......
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14:03<azeem>chaos: what does "uname -r" say?
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14:04<azeem>right, so debootstrap is trying to run
14:04<azeem>right, so debootstrap is trying to make a 64bit chroot on a 32bit system
14:05<azeem>that can't work
14:05<azeem>(unless your kernel is 64bit-enabled)
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14:06<chaos>ok then if i install i386 with debootstrap can i change it to 64bit later?
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14:10<dpkg>[tr] türkçe yardIm için ( -- if you need help in turkish, please join on, or
14:11<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
14:11<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
14:12<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:12<chaos>some1 needs a lot of help :P
14:12<dpkg>i heard ir is InfraRed
14:13<josemi>amphi: did you see it?
14:13<abrotman>please lay off the bot
14:13<locsmif>I always thought .ir was Iran.
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14:14<tzafrir_laptop>The most common language in Iran is Farsi
14:14<negledabs>in is iran i think
14:14<olet>no in is india
14:14<negledabs>right. brain shoprtciruit >.<
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14:15<olet>.ir is iran
14:15<tzafrir_laptop>Right. The country. Not the language
14:15<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
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14:40<toji>bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory
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14:42<toji>so , someone know how to reinstall "ls" command
14:42<Plague>don't work ls?
14:43<dr|z3d>toji: apt-cache search ls
14:43<llutz_>apt-get install coreutils
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14:43<gui>apt-file search bin/ls give you the package (coreutils)
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14:44<toji>i have installed allready coreutils , the "ls" file is in /bin directory , but when i type the command ... i have this error bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory
14:44<toji>i mention ... i have installed coreutils
14:45<abrotman>so reinstall it
14:45<toji>reinstall what ?
14:45<djx>reinstall coreutils
14:45<Plague>when you are root... ls working ?
14:45<Plague>or not ?
14:46<toji>i`m root
14:46<Plague>kust reinstall
14:46<Plague>just reinstall
14:46<toji>root@cl-t195-240cl:/bin# ls
14:46<toji>bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory
14:46<toji>root@cl-t195-240cl:/bin# whereis ls
14:46<toji>ls: /bin/ls /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz
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14:46<Plague>aptitude search coreutils
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14:47<gui>hum i'm looking around a way to have fglrx on amd64
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14:48<dpkg>somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the r600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on
14:48<sney>hmm, no answers there.
14:48<gui>builds seems to failed with v9.5
14:49<gui>and if i try to build 9.6, i can't install ia32-libs because of ia32-apt-get conflicts
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14:50<sney>have you asked in the ati channel? they would probably be the experts.
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14:51<gui>i think it's a Debian specific issue (about the ia32-libs)
14:51<gui>i know that there is some discussion about ia32 stuff
14:51<gui>and before investigate, ask here about a quick & dirty solution :)
14:52<Plague>gui, what version of debian your use ?
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14:52<gui>Plague: Sid on amd64
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14:53<Plague>use ATI ... ?
14:54<gui>The start of the investigation is
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14:54<gui>so i'm looking for a way to manage ia32* transition
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14:55<gui>Plague: hum you suggest that i use ATI drivers directly
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14:56<Plague>try... don't loose nothing
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15:18<gui>hum use of radeonhd (with additional install of firmware-utils for the firmware of my ATI card) seems to be good for 3D/2D acceleration :)
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15:28<computergeeksjw>My problem involves downloading Debian packages on another computer since mine doesn't have internet access. My question is if there is an easy way to know the URL of any given package (I am trying to download close to a thousand packages, 300MB.)
15:29<computergeeksjw>I don't want to look up each package URL individually.
15:29<jamuraa>gui: did you get transparency to work? I can't seem to make things work
15:29<dr|z3d>computergeeksjw: Are the 2 systems locally networked?
15:29<john>Is there a fix for the weather plugin in xfce 4.4.2?
15:30<computergeeksjw>I wish...
15:31<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>., or apt-sneakernet (in jest)
15:31<abrotman>computergeeksjw: and apt-get --print-uris
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15:32<computergeeksjw>abrotman: The other computer is running windows so apt-zip wouldn't help
15:32<computergeeksjw>but ill try --print-urls
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15:32<computergeeksjw>Thanks so much!
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15:53<jamuraa>must.. get.. xcompmgr working
15:53<drakeman>Hey, how are you, guys, i have a question, the only way to change my window manager is through update-alternatives --config x-window-manager? because it says, that im using openbox, but i change it to metacity and didnt see any difference between both, in fact, i supposely using metacity right now but console when i type openbox says that im using it.....
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15:55<bighornram>can anyone tell me if there is a way to record asx streams? I've been googling and trying different things all day!
15:55<drakeman>openbox should look the same as metacity?
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15:56<ansgar>bighornram: mplayer -dumpstream might work.
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15:56<jamuraa>if vlc will play asx streams, it should be pretty easy to save the stream from that
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15:57<bighornram>have had best luck with vlc though got a blank empty file with it
15:58<bighornram>trying to record
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16:06<valdyn>drakeman: its not as simple as that unfortunately
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16:07<valdyn>drakeman: how is your X started?
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16:08<drakeman>valdyn, mmm, how is my X started? dont understand the question.. but update-alternatives shouldn do the job? , but it says im using metacity, but is false, because, i see metacity when i tyope in console sudo metacity --replace
16:09<valdyn>drakeman: your X is your graphical environment, as opposed to what you see after you hit ctrl-alt-f1
16:09<bighornram>vlc shows /dev/dsp as audio device but I don't have that in /dev what would the audio device be? Probably my problem.
16:10<valdyn>drakeman: if your login screen is graphical, then thats X too
16:10<drakeman>valdyn, i know that, sorry, yess, when i start i see the gnome login screen asking for user and passw.
16:10<valdyn>drakeman: that login screen has a "Session" button
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16:10<valdyn>drakeman: pick what you want there
16:10<drakeman>valdyn, but it sets in "last Session"
16:11<valdyn>drakeman: you can pick something else
16:11<drakeman>but, session -manager is the same as windows manager?
16:11<valdyn>drakeman: nope
16:12<drakeman>valdyn, but in only wwant to change the window manager, i saw that everyone changes their windows manager, with openbox, fluxbox, icewm
16:12<valdyn>drakeman: you can pick openbox there
16:13<valdyn>drakeman: you can also pick fluxbox there
16:13<drakeman>it must be easy to doo, but dont know, everything says that i have to use update-alternatives,
16:13<valdyn>drakeman: you cannot pick metacity there because that would not give you a usable desktop
16:13<drakeman>valdyn, yes, but i dont see metacity, on the list.
16:13<drakeman>valdyn, noo?
16:13<drakeman>valdyn, so metacity is garbage? cannot be used?
16:13<valdyn>drakeman: metacity only manages windows, it has no menu like openbox
16:13<valdyn>drakeman: i didnt say that it is garbage
16:14<drakeman>valdyn, well, then only way to use metacity is opening a terminal and type metacity --replace?
16:14<valdyn>drakeman: using metacity makes no sense though unless you use gnome
16:14<drakeman>valdyn, im using gnome
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16:14<valdyn>drakeman: ok
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16:14<valdyn>drakeman: then you run "metacity --replace"
16:15<valdyn>drakeman: after that you run "gnome-session-save"
16:15<valdyn>drakeman: update-alternatives has nothing to do with this
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16:15<bighornram>how do I learn what my audio device is? ex: /dev/dsp
16:15<drakeman>valdyn, and valdyn mmm,
16:15<valdyn>bighornram: not
16:16<valdyn>bighornram: debian defaults to alsa, where you dont get involved with sound devices normally
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16:16<bighornram>vlc asks for audio device name but has /dev/dsp listed. obviously wrong
16:16<valdyn>bighornram: you can configure vlc to use alsa
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16:27<drakeman>hey what is better, or faster, openbox? or xfce?
16:27<dr|z3d>drakeman: I prefer Xfce.
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16:28<dr|z3d>drakeman: Xfce isn't slow, and it's also more fully featured, more what you'd expect from a de.
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16:28<dr|z3d>drakeman: That said, <256MB, and you're probably better off with openbox.
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16:29<drakeman>dr|z3d, i have 2gb of ram.
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16:30<Toxicshell>thunar its more faster to nautilus
16:30<drakeman>Toxicshell, xfce uses thunar?
16:31<drakeman>thunar is great, and have tab support.
16:31<drakeman>i like it.
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16:31<Toxicshell>this is right
16:32<drakeman>well, im installing it right now, now i would see if i can change my default by xfce.
16:32<Toxicshell>just depend to te computer... and the configuration of the system
16:32<drakeman>Toxicshell, o just have to set it in the welcome script? or in update-alternatives too¡?
16:32<drakeman>sorry, wellcome screen
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16:33<Toxicshell>for whats ?
16:33<drakeman>Toxicshell, to se it as default session - windowa manager.
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16:34<Toxicshell>to set xfce4 how default ?
16:34<Toxicshell>that ?
16:35<dr|z3d>Toxicshell: Easiest way, do it from your Gnome greeter.
16:35<drakeman>Toxicshell, yes, as default.
16:35<Toxicshell>in mi blog y have a post abuot that
16:35<drakeman>dr|z3d, ok you recommend to dot it in gdm...
16:35<drakeman>Toxicshell, what is your blog¡?
16:36<dr|z3d>drakeman: Sure, it's the _easiest_ method.
16:36<drakeman>dr|z3d, thianks...
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16:36<drakeman>Toxicshell, your blog site ?
16:37<Toxicshell>see the notice
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16:37<drakeman>Toxicshell, thanks..
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16:37<drakeman>Toxicshell, what notice?
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17:08<chealer>is it normal or a known bug that so few pings are sent considering the time when pinging (in this example) with iputils-ping (without overriding the default 1 s interval): ? ping behaves correctly with other hosts shown. the few pings of commented "inetutils" behaved correctly.
17:08<chealer>I reproduced this problem as root as well.
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17:20<chealer>this happens on a squeeze system
17:20<gui>jamuraa: not tried
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17:29<bahatpc>Recently, any kernel I install - be it a distro one, or a custom one using kernel-package - fails to boot. I see grub finding the image, then everything freezes (right before one would expect "Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF..."). This even happens with known-working kernel .debs I have used in the past. Does anybody have an idea what could be broken?
17:32<Toxicshell>what kernel use ?
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17:37<vvas>bahatpc: broken grub installation? inconsistent filesystem state?
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17:38<urbinek>how to change debian into router WiFi ?
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17:38<bahatpc>vvas: I tried aptitude reinstall grub, grub-install, update-grub, and short SMART scan of the drive, a full offline badblocks-scan using SystemRescueCD
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17:39<vvas>what about fsck?
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17:43<bahatpc>vvas; that's the first thing I did; everything was fine
17:43<jetftwi>I am recently establishing new ldap sever server using Debian please help me I want a graphical ldap server administration tool to help me by my side .
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17:45<vvas>bahatpc: hm, let's see... have you tried loading grub from another medium (say, a rescue cd) and trying to boot the hard-drive-resident kernel images with that?
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17:45<bahatpc>vvas: no, I didnt think of that - sounds like a good idea though
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17:46<vvas>aye, worth a shot
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17:47<bahatpc>but even if grub *were* the issue - there is no immediate cause for it (AFAIKT no updates), and a clean reinstall should have fixed the issue
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17:48<bahatpc>if that weren't the case, I'd be SOL because there would be way to fix it
17:48<bahatpc>*no way
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17:49<bahatpc>well, I'll go try what you recommended
17:49<bahatpc>thanks for the feedback
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18:39<adb>how enter in chroot as user ?
18:41<vvas>adb: i would recommend the 'schroot' package
18:41<adb>will try thanks vvas
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18:51<yeeliberto>hi, is there a concrete list I can get for the sources list for testing/squeeze?
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18:53<abrotman>yeeliberto: man sources.list .. and see
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19:21<dumbum>anybody know why I only get one terminal console? If I manually enter 'getty 38400 tty2', tty2 shows a login.
19:21<abrotman>dumbum: using which OS?
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19:22<dumbum>Debian 64bit
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19:22<abrotman>dumbum: how many are specified in your /etc/inittab
19:22<dumbum>2.6.30 kernel
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19:23<dumbum>6, none commented out
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19:23<dumbum>runlevel is 5
19:24<dumbum>did some googling, some ubuntu forum said to install xkbutils
19:24<vvas>ah, that's why
19:24<vvas>are the lines like: 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
19:24<abrotman>why is your run level 5 ?
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19:24<dumbum>5 is what it's always been
19:24<abrotman>uh .. not on debian
19:24<dumbum>2:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
19:25<dumbum>abrotman: I can set it to 3 if you think that will help
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19:25<dumbum>I mean 1, single user
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19:25<dumbum>is that what you mean?
19:26<themill>dumbum: read the comments in /etc/inittab more carefully.
19:26<abrotman>dumbum: set it to 2
19:26<dumbum>I have "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30 root=/dev/sda1 ro vga=791 quiet" , another forum says to change the vga=0x318, you think that would help?
19:27<themill>stop trying random things and understand what you're doing
19:27<dumbum>comments say "# Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.", so what's the diff between 2 & 5?
19:27<vvas>just as a reminder, if you've modified the file since the last reboot, you need to do a "telinit q" for init to reload it
19:27<dumbum>that's why I'm asking before I do it
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19:28<themill>dumbum: have a look at the section below what you just pasted. runlevel 5 only gives you 1 tty
19:30<dumbum>I'm not seeing anything that says runlevel 5 only gives me 1 tty
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19:31<Jason1>how do I do the benchmarking in my linux?
19:31<themill>dumbum: # Format: <id>:<runlevels>:<action>:<process>
19:31<dumbum>themill: it shows 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1; 2:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2, all the way to 6
19:32<themill>that's a long way from a default debian initab
19:32<dumbum>so all my runlevels should have 6 ttys
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19:32<dumbum>haha :)
19:32<dumbum>well, any other ideas?
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19:32<abrotman>change your run level to 2
19:33<dumbum>I know it worked at one time, not sure at what point it failed
19:33<Jason1>hm. how do I do the benchmarking in linux?
19:33<dumbum>abrotman: udidnt answer my question: "# Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.", so what's the diff between 2 & 5?
19:34<dumbum>abrotman: I will try that when I reboot
19:34<themill>dumbum: that depends on what you've done to the rest of your init system.
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19:34<abrotman>Jason1: benchmarking of what?
19:34<Jason1>my desktop hardware, cpu, cd-rom, etc.
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19:35<themill>dumbum: by default, debian doesn't distinguish between the different runlevels, but if you've been mucking about with your inittab then you would have presumably also been mucking about with the rest of the sysvinit system
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19:35<dumbum>ahh, I've installed upstart
19:35<miguel>how can i mount my digital camera?
19:35<dumbum>yeah, I like to muck, that how you learn right?
19:36<dumbum>don't really care if I break it, as long as I can get the data out :)
19:36<themill>reading's a pretty good plan too
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19:36<miguel>ah ok just found out, the camera is just like any other hard drive
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19:37<miguel>can anyone suggest some nice lightweight picture viewing applciation
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19:41<vvas>the guy installed upstart
19:41<vvas>ubuntu's *replacement* for /sbin/init
19:41<vvas>and then complains that inittab isn't working as it should
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19:42<vvas>miguel: i like gqview
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19:44<amphi>miguel: or gqview ;)
19:45<Jason1>I wish I can view the system information in my debian.
19:45<jamuraa>Jason1: what kind of system information
19:46<Jason1>anything, hardware information
19:46<Jason1>so I can print it out and I may install the amd motherboard
19:46<Jason1>and compare the difference
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19:48<amphi>!tell Jason1 -about what's my hardware
19:49<jrabbit>Jason1: maybe parts of dmesg or other info commands
19:51<vvas>Jason1: there's probably a few programs if you search the package collection
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19:53<locsmif>Is there a tool to check the current health of files on disk against the package they're from?
19:53<locsmif>I.e. were files belonging to a certain package damaged or not?
19:54<vvas>locsmif: debsums
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19:55<wilberfan>anyone know their way around an xorg.conf well enough to help me get compiz working? (or is there a better channel for that?)
19:55<amphi>wilberfan: #compiz-fusion on freenode perhaps
19:55<wilberfan>good idea...thanks...
19:57<Silicium01>Where can I find bounced emails on Debian? Using postfix
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19:59<vvas>somewhere inside /var/spool/postfix/ i guess
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20:02<miguel>my digicam can also be used as webcam, but i wonder if its possible to do that under linux too. how could i find out if an driver exsits?
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20:10<miguel>is there some central place, where i can check linux-hardware-support
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20:10<miguel>or which Manufactureres/Products give linux.driver-support /or/and open source drivers
20:11<miguel>in case i buy new hardware,
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20:17<adb> #hardware on ?
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20:26<miguel>ill try that one
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20:26<miguel>thank you
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20:41<locsmif>vvas, thanks :)
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20:58<YesThatTom>Hi folks! I'm doing a "apt-get build-dep linux-2.6" and get the error "E: Package xmlto has no installation candidate". this is a very clean install. Suggestions on how to fix this?
20:59<jrabbit>which debian
20:59<jrabbit>ahve you updated and possibly dist-upgraded etc etc to get the latest software?
21:00<YesThatTom>5.0.2 (2.6.26-2-powerpc)
21:00<adb>apt-cache search xmlto
21:01<adb>oh ppc
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21:01<YesThatTom>doing the dist-upgrade now.
21:02<adb>why ?
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21:02<YesThatTom>It did have a bunch of packages that were out of date.
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21:03<YesThatTom>But xmlto still not found (i'm rather new to debian, so please excuse the stupid questions :) ).
21:03<adb>xmlto is on lenny + ppc
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21:04<jrabbit>well I was thinking it mgiht be a conflict that got resolved and he didn't have new repo info
21:05<adb>YesThatTom: paste your sources list
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21:08<YesThatTom>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.2 _Lenny_ - Official powerpc DVD Binary-1 20090628-20:17]/ lenny contrib main
21:08<YesThatTom>deb lenny/updates main contrib
21:08<YesThatTom>deb-src lenny/updates main contrib
21:08<YesThatTom>deb lenny/volatile main contrib
21:08<YesThatTom>deb-src lenny/volatile main contrib
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21:09<YesThatTom>ah, i was pointing at the DVD, and not the ftp server.
21:09<YesThatTom>now it finds it.
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21:09<YesThatTom>Is there a good book or online doc that you recommmend to learn more about apt?
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21:11<YesThatTom>Thanks for your help!
21:11<adb>seems you don't have the main line > ` deb lenny main contrib non-free`
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21:12<adb>man aptitude
21:13<YesThatTom>yes :)
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21:13<adb>comment line `deb cdrom...`
21:13<adb>YesThatTom: run , apt-get update and try again
21:14<adb>dpkg: tell YesThatTom about why aptitude
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21:16<YesThatTom>Thanks, adb.
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21:16<adb>worked now ?
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21:17<YesThatTom>Now can can continue. Thanks!
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21:20<adb>YesThatTom: but i'll recommend staying on lenny ..
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21:23<YesThatTom>this is just a test machine. i'm teaching myself about kernel builds and stuff (I'm an old solaris and freebsd person trying to learn new tricks)
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21:26<adb>YesThatTom: run debootstrap and do things in chroot
21:26<adb>as `debootstrap lenny lenny` and then `chroot lenny`
21:30<YesThatTom>thanks. i'm reading the man page now.
21:31<adb>install schroot too
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21:59<uchiha88>hi all
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22:00<uchiha88>i am trying to compile a c++ program but it is not in my default directory
22:00<uchiha88>its in media directory under my kingston flash drive
22:00<uchiha88>how would i move to my media/kingston directory
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22:01<uchiha88>also would it matter if i wrote the programs on a windows os?
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22:05<abrotman>i think he meant 'cd'
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22:14<uchiha88>is there any way to execute simple c++ programs written in windows
22:15<uchiha88>without the hassle
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22:17<kop>uchiha88 : The hassle of what?
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22:18<uchiha88>going through command line using gcc
22:18<uchiha88>i am use to dev c++
22:18<uchiha88>dev c++ runs fine under wine
22:19<kop>uchiha88 : Well, you could learn emacs, which works as an ide. Or install and learn something like eclipse. Or learn make so you only have to write the command line once. Whats' a "dev"?
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22:20<uchiha88>oh "dev c++" is a complier/ide for c/C++ created by bloodshed
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22:38<chealer>is it normal or a known bug that so few pings are sent considering the time when pinging (in this example) with iputils-ping (without overriding the default 1 s interval): ? ping behaves correctly with other hosts shown. the few pings of commented "inetutils" behaved correctly. this happens on a squeeze system. I reproduced this problem as root as well.
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22:40<kop>chealer : DNS problem? Have you tried pinging the IP?
22:42<chealer>kop: hum, I didn't. you seem to be right. it looks like iputils-ping resolved DNS for each ping
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22:43<jordan>hi...? anyone out there....???????
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22:56<twb>What is the least-worst way to list non-lo IP4 addresses of the current host?
22:57<twb>Just piping ifconfig or ip addr show into awk feels dirty and unreliable.
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23:25<astronut>can someone point me at info on extending the expiration date of a self-signed SSL cert?
23:27<jmarsden>astronut: Make a new one :)
23:27<astronut>jmarsden: i like my old one :-P
23:27<jmarsden>Oops, that's Ubuntu not Debian... principles will still apply though.
23:28<kop>twb: That is a very good question. I've always used the awk-like solution....
23:28<astronut>jmarsden: since it's self signed, a lot of people have hit "always trust" or whatever and if i generate a new one they have to do it again
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23:28<blake>why have a self signed cert?
23:28<kop>astronut : Too bad.
23:28<blake>nobody takes those seriously
23:28<jmarsden>There is no way to "modify" it without those people seeing it as being different and therefore not trusing the modified version anyway...
23:29<kop>blake : Like I should take the ones that cost money seriously? Like they really check who's giving them money?
23:29<blake>self signed is OK for certain applications, like on a LAN, or on a client besides a web browser (IRC)
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23:30<blake>kop: yes, you should. it's the only way people won't always get warnings
23:30<astronut>blake: to avoid paying the ssl tax?
23:30<blake>you're scaring people away
23:30<blake>what type of site is this, astronut?
23:30<kop>blake : That depends on whether you care.
23:30<blake>you're potentially losing a large amount of customers over a matter of principle...
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23:30<astronut>blake: one for internal use?
23:31<blake>if it's for internal use then i suppose it's alright
23:31<kop>blake : If you want to pay for making people feel warm and fuzzy that's one thing. Paying for real security is another.
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23:31<blake>kop: sometimes you just have to bite the bullet
23:31<astronut>it's for encrypting passwords and stuff for a wiki used by a restricted group of people
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23:32<blake>i can tell you this, if you were running an e-commerce site, having a self signed cert would probably cost you atleast 25% of your sales...
23:33<astronut>blake: try 90%
23:33<astronut>i'm not disagreeing with you
23:33<kop>blake : I'm not ether. It's a question of what you're paying for.
23:33<blake>answer to your question: you can't, generate a new cert
23:33<blake>or pay for one this time
23:34<astronut>for something accessed by like 30 people, paying $100/year is overkill
23:34<kop>blake : Paying for one won't keep it from expiring.
23:34<blake>it will allow you to avoid this situation in 12 months
23:34<astronut>blake: well, i can make a 10 year cert if i self-sign
23:34<astronut>i just didn't last time
23:34<jmarsden>blake: So would a self signed cert with a 20 year expiry set on it :)
23:34<kop>blake : Or you could just self-sign a cert with a longer expiration.
23:34<blake>yeah, heh
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23:35<kop>astronut : Frankly, I prefer to re-generate annually in your situation, so that people get used to the idea that it expires annually.
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23:38<kop>astronut : You could also use, but I'm not sure what browsers trust them. I thought they were in firefox, but I could be completely wrong.
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23:38<astronut>i think they're patched into debian's cert system
23:38<astronut>kop: ya, that's why i have been expirign
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23:38<astronut>kop: i really just wanted to extend it
23:38<astronut>since i have the ca i can re-sign the extension
23:39<kop>astronut : It's the ca that the browsers trust. You can make a new cert and if it's signed by a trusted ca then your users will trust it.
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23:41<astronut>kop: right, but when a user overrides the browser's trust model, i don't know how it's saved
23:41<astronut>is my question
23:41<kop>astronut : A self-signed cert is it's own ca. There's no "extending" those.
23:42<jmarsden>astronut: If the cert was truly self-signed, the browser trusts that one cert. if the cert was signed by your own CA, and the browser was given the CA cert and told to trust that, then it will trust all certs created by that CA.
23:42<astronut>jmarsden: the cert was signed by a generated CA, the cert was trusted
23:42<astronut>not the CA
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23:43<kop>astronut : CAs are trusted, not certs.
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23:43<astronut>i have the generated CA, so if i sign a new cert, will it be trusted
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23:43<astronut>kop: that's true for the general case, but i don't know that that's true for the override case
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23:45<chealer>kop: thanks. it seems iputils-ping does a reverse DNS lookup, which is broken on that domain. it does that for each packet, and my DNS server fails after 5 seconds. unlike inetutils-ping...
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23:50<jmarsden>chealer: ping -n supresses that. man ping
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