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00:00<chealer>jmarsden: aha, I see. thanks
00:00<jmarsden>No problem.
00:02<saltmiser>yeah installing ubuntu on a ps3 :P
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00:17<twb>saltmiser: I thought the POWER builds were unmaintained.
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01:22<jetftwi>Do I need to include schema file other than the default 4 to include /etc/aliases to ldap server the default four in my case are core.schema ,cosine.schema ,nis.schema and inetorgperson.schema It is giving me an error saying invalid " ADD Entry Invalid attribute syntax"
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01:40<deniz>im reading to check md5sum, i can do "md5sum /dev/hdc (or /dev/whatever) " but how do i find out (by using the terminal) what I can replace the word "whatever" with?
01:40<deniz>to check the md5sum of a lenny disc that is
01:40<jm_>deniz: CD-ROM disc?
01:40<deniz>jm_, dvd
01:41<deniz>jm_, does that matter?
01:41<jm_>deniz: hold on
01:42<jm_>!check cd image
01:42<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum
01:42<jm_>udev creates /dev/cdrom for you
01:42<jm_>so you can use that
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01:53<deniz>jm_, that looks so much harder than what i read though, can't i just figure out a way to find out what my cdrom drive is like for hard drives id do: sudo fdisk -l
01:54<nathan_>hello everyone
01:55<jm_>deniz: what, always using /dev/cdrom is harder than doing fdisk -l? grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
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01:55<jm_>the important part is head -c and stat of course
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01:55<Bohemian>how do i see what iptables is blocking?
01:55<deniz>Bohemian, sudo iptables -L
01:56<Bohemian>thanks. nothing
01:56<Bohemian>so why am i getting a connection refused?
01:56<jm_>!connection refused
01:56<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
01:56<deniz>Bohemian, did it say policy accept?
01:56<deniz>or drop
01:57<deniz>jm_, it's ALWAYS /dev/cdrom?
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01:57<Bohemian>jm_: how do i turn on service 110?
01:57<deniz>jm_, you mean a port?
01:57<jm_>deniz: udev creates /dev/cdrom symlink yes
01:57<Bohemian>deniz: it's a postfix problem, i never configured iptables
01:57<deniz>Bohemian, use firestarter (GUI) to open a port
01:58<Bohemian>have to do it in command line
01:58<jm_>Bohemian: that is pop3, install a pop3 server, but what use would it have on its own?
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01:58<deniz>Bohemian, unfortunately i dont know in command line sorry
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01:58<Bohemian>oh, that's pop3? but imap is refusing the connection and postfix and dovecot are running
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01:59<Bohemian>thanks anyway deniz . it's a huge problem i have right now :/
01:59<jm_>on what ports? netstat -nap|grep 110
01:59<deniz>jm_, wait though, the command you gave me compares md5sums, right? the one i read on internet just tells me the md5sum of the disc without comparing? is that the difference?
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02:00<jrabbit>Look at the two sums
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02:01<jm_>deniz: the bot gave you the command, not me; it doesn't compare it, it prints it on stdout
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02:30<urbinek>hello there
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02:30<Bohemian>anybody know of a good postfix and dovecot guide for debian?
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02:40<Bohemian>whenever i type "aptitude install XYZ" it gives me this: -bash: /usr/bin/aptitude: No such file or directory
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02:41<jeff_hann>Bohemian: type 'which aptitude'
02:41<Bohemian>jeff_hann: then what?
02:41<jeff_hann>then look at the output :)
02:42<Bohemian>no output
02:42<Bohemian>another bash line
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02:43<jeff_hann>which says what?
02:43<Bohemian>a blank line
02:43<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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02:43<Bohemian>it worked a few hours ago, jm_
02:44<Bohemian>what package is "aptitude" - i'll see if i have it
02:44<jm_>Bohemian: it's aptitude - dpkg -l aptitude
02:44<Bohemian>no such file or dir
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02:44<Bohemian>i need to do apt-get install aptitude ?
02:44<jm_>"dpkg -l aptitude"
02:44<jm_>without quotes
02:44<jeff_hann>apt-get install aptitude
02:44<Bohemian>rc aptitude terminal-based package manager
02:44<jm_>not installed ...
02:45<Bohemian>dunno what happened to it
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02:52<Bohemian>ça va
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02:54<deavid>I've several TCP/IP packets stored in hex format (using hexcat) and these have a checksum CRC16 at the end... anyone knows if there's a easy way to check it? (something like pasting the hex codes into a program and get the CRC16)
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02:54<Yoda-BZH`Wk>fine ... but @work -_-'
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02:57<jmarsden>deavid: It's total overkill, but if you can import the file into wireshark it will tell you if any of the packets have bad checksums :)
02:57<deniz>i did md5sum /dev/cdrom and got a different number than the one on debian's site for the lenny dvd, did i do something wrong or is my disc badly burnt? it feels like it burnt well though, how do i tell if it's badly burnt or if i'm checking wrong?
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03:00<jm_>deniz: you can't just do md5sum /dev/cdrom
03:00<deavid>jmarsden: really? hmmm... I'm not talking about TCP/IP checks, I'm talking about a check that is inside the data stream (in fact, it was captured from a rs232 serial port, then it was sent over tcp/ip)... so, wireshark can check these checksums? (2 bytes of CRC16 at the end of each packet)
03:01<deniz>jm_, what do you mean? it worked and gave me a bunch of characters aka an md5sum
03:01<jm_>deavid: jacksum can do crc16 among others
03:01<jm_>deniz: dpkg gave you a different command, use that
03:01<jmarsden>Oh, I misunderstood. There is a crc32 program around, but I don't see a crc16 one.
03:01<deavid>ok, i'll try jacksum :)
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03:05<Jason1>what is Host key stands for?
03:05<urbinek>for Host keys ?
03:05<urbinek>in what file ?
03:05<jm_>how about some context?
03:05<Jason1>I'm in VituralBox
03:05<Jason1>Host+F is for fullscreen
03:06<Jason1>but not sure what's Host key
03:06<urbinek>right crt
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03:06<urbinek>it's writen on down control bar
03:06<Jason1>I thought it was left ctrl
03:08<deavid>ok, now I need some program that colud convert from hexcat to binary ...
03:09<deavid>i'll try ascii2binary (no idea what it does :D )
03:10<jm_>deavid: or xxd or ...
03:10<deavid>i can't find 'xxd' in my repo :-S
03:11<jm_>!tell deavid -about search
03:11<jm_>hint: don't use apt-get to find it
03:12<deniz>jm_, so wait first i do md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum then i do md5sum /dev/cdrom ?
03:13<jm_>deniz: no, just the dd .. | md5sum - last command is wrong
03:14<deniz>ok so the md5sum /location/filename.iso that works but only for the non-burnt iso file?
03:14<jm_>yeah that's ok for any file - you should compare it to md5sum-s from the debian site
03:15<deniz>jm_, ok so for the md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum i keep it exactly the way it is except i add the actual iso name?
03:15<deniz>no need to cd or anything right?
03:16<jm_>deniz: no, you type it exactly as it is, no need to modify anything, then you compare the output of what it prints to the md5sum for this image from the Debian site
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03:16<Jason1>ok thanks
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03:16<deniz>jm_, well i have to call filename.iso debian-502-amd64-DVD-1.iso
03:16<jm_>deniz: ahh sorry, I haven't actually checked the command - yes you change filename.iso to the one you used to burn it
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03:16<deniz>jm_, k, 2 secs
03:17<jm_>deniz: but it's important to compare the printed md5sum against that from the debian site
03:17<prahal>I am building a custom debian-installer ... got the monolithic but it seems it is not what I am looking after ... for to build a netinst debian-installer what is the wanted target ?
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03:20<deniz>jm_, ok well when i checked the iso on the hdd, it came out correct but even with that command i get an md5sum but also some kind of error:
03:20<deniz>and the md5sum is again incorrect but different from the md5sum /dev/cdrom command
03:21<jm_>deniz: you seem to be in the wrong dir
03:21<deniz>(which you said was incorrect but it still works - i just dont understand why though)
03:21<deniz>jm_, o i asked if i needed to cd
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03:21<deniz>jm_, ok so i have to be in which directory?
03:21<deniz>jm_, that of cd drive?
03:21<jm_>deniz: where the iso file is or give full path to the file
03:21<deniz>jm_, the iso FILE? not cd drive?
03:22<jm_>deniz: yes, the iso file
03:23<deavid>ok, I finally checked that; thanks a lot :-)
03:23<deniz>k ill report when it's done checking
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03:31<hajoucha>hi, I am trying to help somebody to install debian on his notebook - he claims this facts : live cd works well. But if he try to boot first installation CD, the kernel hangs with this output:
03:32<hajoucha>PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 9 of bridge 0000:00:04.0
03:32<hajoucha>PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 7 of bridge 0000:00:05.0
03:32<hajoucha>PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 8 of bridge 0000:00:05.0
03:32<hajoucha>hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 3
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03:33<hajoucha>I suppose there is a problem with this kernel version. So is there a way to install Lenny with a different kernel?
03:33<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files (in 0627 images) are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
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03:35<hajoucha>thanks.. looks good :)
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03:40<deniz>jm_, the latest command gave me the right md5sum for my iso and still waiting for disc, when it's done, i should have the md5sum of the actual disc and it should be the same as the .iso file right?
03:41<jm_>deniz: yup, that's the idea
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03:41<deniz>jm_, k so ill put this all in a mnemosyne file to memorize/understand it
03:42<ml|>deniz: did you verify the md5 first after dowloading before burning?
03:42<jm_>he just said it gives him the same md5sum
03:43<deniz>ml|, no i didnt but like jm_ said the .iso downloaded properly and i made sure of it cuz i torrented it and forced deluge to check it
03:44<deniz>how many years does it take to be a linux genius?
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03:44<deniz>on average
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03:44<Nemoder>deniz: entirely depends on how you use it and your desire to learn
03:45<Nemoder>I'm going on 10 years and I still hardly know anything :P
03:45<deniz>Nemoder, lol im sure you know stuff, i feel like an idiot when talkin in debian forums or irc channel though :(, i feel like a genius near windows users tho
03:46<deniz>lol 2 thos, excuse my terrible grammar
03:46<Nemoder>it took me 3 months to become comfortable using linux
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03:46<deniz>there's a moth in my room im a lil scared, i hope they dont bite lol
03:46<deniz>Nemoder, it took me over 6 months to be able to get internet working on linux lol cuz i had dial-up and back then ubuntu is all i new bout
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03:47<ml|>deniz: ok, when using bittorrent it's usaully safe to assume the it has the right md5, but i would verify it just to be sure
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03:47<Nemoder>deniz: there is so much free software available now that it's impossible to be an expert on all of it
03:48<deniz>jm_, ml|, I think it burnt right!
03:48<deniz>Nemoder, well all you need to know is 1 piece of software per thing you want to thing i love about debian is the OS itself is far from bloated but the repositories are bloated unless that's the wrong word to use
03:49<ml|>!congratulate deniz
03:49<dpkg>Woohoo deniz, you did it!
03:49<deniz>LOL, bots have a congratulating feature
03:49<Nemoder>repositories aren't bloated, they are plentiful :)
03:49<deniz>Nemoder, lol there we go :)
03:51<deniz>ml|, so im finally going to install debian on that 500gb hdd i was talking about a couple days ago
03:51<Nemoder>it's only bloated if you try to install all of it on your system
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03:51<deniz>Nemoder, im guessing that's like ubuntu?
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03:51<deniz>Nemoder, well ubuntu isn't bad im just saying i prefer debian
03:51<Nemoder>hm no ubuntu just makes more decisions about what it thinks you want
03:52<Nemoder>debian lets/makes you decide for yourself :)
03:52<deniz>Nemoder, well what i find the most important about debian is when it's called stable it means it
03:52<ml|>deniz: good luck
03:53<deniz>ml|, thanks :D
03:53<ml|>deniz: if you run into issues won't hurt to have the install guide handy
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03:55<deniz>ml|, what issues? what install guide? lol isn't that only for upgrading from oldstable-->stable? the only issue i can recall is CUPS in squeeze not starting and stoping dpkg from doing its work but lets see if that still happens
03:55<ml|>dpkg: tell deniz about install guide
03:56<ml|>deniz: that guide, just saying look that over it can't hurt
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04:22<Shazburg>Where can I find a preseed example for Samba?
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04:30<ComradeHaz>Hi all, console-kit using up 374MB of RAM and 512MB of swap is making me sad. Is there a way to sort this out? I don;t even really need it other than policy-kit depending on it
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04:33<Shazburg>dpkg: where can I find preseed docs
04:33<dpkg>Shazburg: I give up, what is it?
04:33<Shazburg>dpkg: Thanks.
04:33<dpkg>Shazburg: pas de quoi
04:34<jm_>preseed docs are in the install guide/on the d-i web page
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04:36<Shazburg>jm_: Yeah, but that's only on the install options. I'd like something more comprehensive. Like what options are available for ldap or samba or any package, really.
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04:36<jm_>Shazburg: debconf-show to the rescue
04:37<Shazburg>jm_: Oh really?!
04:37<Shazburg>jm_: You may have just made me a very happy lad.
04:38<deniz>ml|, i actually have a very weird issue, remember that almost whole hdd size partition i made with my data backed up from 250gb hdd? well the 500gb hdd displays itself as completely unallocated free space however when I go to reformat it, it says something about dos and all that and how it would remove all data if formatted, how do i obtain my data and how did this happen in the first place?! the only thing i can think of is accidentally clicking
04:38<deniz> to check the drive in windows xp but i did NOT format it ever after backing up my data
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04:41<ml|>deniz: so you backed up, then viewed the data in windows and now data is gone?
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04:42<deniz>ml|, ya but ubuntu 9.04 live cd gparted warns about removing data when i almost format a new partition even though it shows as free unallocated space
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04:42<deniz>and it has a list of things one of which is dos
04:43<RobertF>My hdd often stop.. Is there a problem with Acpi? I'm trying with slackware, the hdd works fine.
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04:44<Shazburg>jm_: Thank you. debconf-show will be quite useful.
04:44<jm_>Shazburg: no worries
04:45<ml|>deniz: hmm yes weird dunno maybe you did something by accident and best to ask in #ubuntu since that is what you are trying to install
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04:45<deniz>ml|, no i want to install lenny, i just use ubuntu live cds instead of debian
04:46<ProfOak>I've never used Debian, but I sure want to try it. I was just wondering why there are 5 DVDs worth of data to install?
04:46<ml|>when using the live cd does it mounted for you?
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04:47<Shazburg>ProfOak: Debian is the largest distrobution with the most packages. But to get started, you only need the first CD or the netinstall CD.
04:47<ProfOak>Is there some sort of list of packages I can take a look at?
04:48<ProfOak>Shazburg: Thanks!
04:48<Shazburg>ProfOak: You bet.
04:48<deniz>ProfOak, the extra DVDs are just "offline repositories", only the first 650mb of the dvd-1 is used in the installation procedure, even the rest of the first dvd is more "offline repositories"
04:49<deniz>ProfOak, you'd only need them if you're planning on not having an internet connection
04:50<ProfOak>deniz: So one could just download the first in the series of CD ISOs, install from that and be fine??
04:50<ProfOak>Woops, double question mark
04:50<deniz>ProfOak, yes thats what i do, i download the dvd-1
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04:50<deniz>ProfOak, they're in order of the most used apps, so the offline repositories on dvd-1 is what you're most likely going to need
04:50<ml|>ProfOak: do you have good internet connection? if so just use netisnt image
04:51<deniz>ml|, why? DVDs are cheap, i pay 0.23$ per unit
04:51<Shazburg>ProfOak: And I use the netinstall. It has just enough files to run the install, and then it downloads the packages I want during the install.
04:51<ProfOak>deniz: Interesting... So would using Debian Live be an accurate representation of Debian installed?
04:51<ml|>deniz: waste of bandwidth
04:51<ProfOak>ml|: I use wireless
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04:52<deniz>ProfOak, i havent run debian live (i use ubuntu live cds) but that would be an accurate representation of the first 650mb id say
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04:52<deniz>ProfOak, do you pay to download if you pass a certain limit?
04:52<ProfOak>deniz Nope
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04:53<deniz>ProfOak, ok so get the first dvd (i recommend u torrent it)
04:53<deniz>from the official website of course
04:53<Shazburg>ProfOak: Mind you, the livecd is one groups opinion of what apps you'd want. And I think it's using Gnome desktop (if I remember), so while it's a nice way to get an idea, it's really just the tip of the iceberg.
04:53<ml|>ProfOak: you can use netinst with wireless but you have to do somethings for it to work, so cd1 or dvd1 might be better for you
04:54<jm_>for wireless better read the docs in advance
04:54<jm_>(on the debian wiki page)
04:54<ProfOak>Ok well, I'm sort of a novice in terms of Linux knowledge. I was just curious as to why one would chose Debian over others?
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04:54<jm_>!tell ProfOak -about why debian
04:54<deniz>ProfOak, because it's very stable, cares about open source etc, has large repositories
04:55<ProfOak>I heard it was more customizable too
04:55<deniz>ProfOak, well all linuxes are customizable
04:55<ProfOak>Compared to ubuntu*
04:56<deniz>ProfOak, they're equally customizable, i think ur referring to making ur own decisions as opposed to the OS making them for u
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04:57<deniz>ProfOak, if you want = up to dateness as ubuntu, use debian squeeze and not lenny but if you don't find lenny (=stable) old, use that, debian stable is very stable and you can consider debian testing as ubuntu stable
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04:57<Shazburg>Ubuntu does have access to our repos, but there is the ever so small risk of one of our packages not getting along with one of their customizations of our packages. Past the disclamer, a lot of the package maintaners for Debian are also the Ubuntu maintainers.
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04:58<ProfOak>Well, I'm kinda looking for something that will make me learn terminal commands
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04:58<ml|>then use debian ;)
04:58<ProfOak>I feel I'm lacking in that area
04:58<deniz>ProfOak, you mean FORCE you to?
04:59<ProfOak>deniz: I want to look up solutions and have them be terminal commands, rather than menu selections.
04:59<ProfOak>I need to learn more!
05:00<deniz>ProfOak, i suggest you download the mnemosyne linux terminal commands file at mnemosyne's website, it's a memorization software and the linux terminal commands file has like 800 or sumtin linux terminal commands for u to memorize
05:00<ml|>dpkg: tell ProfOak about grounding
05:00<Shazburg>jm_: debconf-show worked perfectly. I spun up a virtual machine and ran the samba install. Got my preseed options and am tossing them into Puppet now. Thank you, again.
05:00<deniz>ml|, by the way? do you have any suggestions? im stuck with a windows only gaming comp until i can figure this out :(
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05:01<ml|>deniz: i'm don't fully understand you issue, maybe try explaimimg it again in more detail
05:02<deniz>ml|, ok so when i bought my 500gb hdd, i made a huge partition (90% of the drive lets say) and backed up the data from my 250gb into it, kk?
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05:03<deniz>i left like 20gb unallocated to install debian
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05:03<ProfOak>deniz: Thank you for that suggestion. I'll definitely give this a good read!
05:03<ml|>ProfOak: read msg from dpkg
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05:04<deniz>ProfOak, well actually, instead of reading a lot, you can just ask yourself one question a day, each question is like 2 lines (i certainly like that :))
05:04<deniz>ProfOak, i learnt things from that like sudo dmidecode -q which lists information bout ur hardware
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05:04<ProfOak>I gotta learn more, and fast
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05:05<deniz>ProfOak, do you have a specific reason to rush?
05:05<ProfOak>I just think I'm learning about things too late
05:06<ml|>ProfOak: if you really want to learn about the terminal just use that, like instead of using a file manager
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05:06<ProfOak>ml|: good idea
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05:07<ProfOak>Man, you guys are helpful
05:07<Shazburg>Although browsing the web with lynx does get a bit old. ;)
05:07<ProfOak>links2 -g, gotta admit it's pretty nice to have pictures. haha
05:07<ml|>yeah X useful for that :)
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05:07<deniz>ProfOak, lol well we didn't really do anything but if you have specific terminal questions, id answer to the best of my abilities
05:08<deniz>o man web browsing on a terminal that hurts
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05:08<atari5o>Awesome...actual people.
05:08<ProfOak>Usually when I go in IRC help channels, I get frustrated because something's not workng.
05:08<deniz>lol, you haven't seen ppl b4?
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05:08<atari5o>not on IRC
05:09<deniz>ml|, o ya i forgot about my problem lol
05:09<ml|>heh, yes
05:09<deniz>ml|, ok so ya then i booted xp install disc
05:09<Shazburg>ProfOak: I would suggest you look at XFCE for a desktop environment. It's very minimal; all it's configuration is via scripts. You'll still be able to run Firefox^W Iceweasel, but you'll be living a more cli-driven existance.
05:09<deniz>ml|, then i saw both my partitions were like 131gb (on 250 and 500gb hdds)
05:09<deniz>ml|, so i got scared
05:10<deniz>then i shutdown comp
05:10<ml|>or even an window manager ;)
05:10<atari5o>Anyone able to help with kernel module problems on a new install?
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05:10<llutz>Shazburg: xfce minimalistic? rofl
05:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
05:10<deniz>removed sata cable for 500gb hdd then rebooted installed xp
05:10<ProfOak>Shazburg: I dunno, I tried xfce and it screwed up everything on my laptop. I do not wish to recreate that situation.
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05:11<deniz>ml|, i eventually used ubuntu disc to resize 131gb xp installation to the max ~232gb, then shut down, reconnect sata cable for my 500gb hdd
05:11<atari5o>fuck you, dpkg...
05:12<Shazburg>ProfOak: Alright. Well, there are several alternatives to the big boys like Gnome and KDE.
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05:12<deniz>atari5o, you can't get the module through repositories? that's how virtualbox-ose is
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05:12<ProfOak>Shazburg: Oh I know. I'm running #! Crunchbang (openbox) on my laptop now.
05:12<atari5o>it isn't that kind of problem
05:12<deniz>ml|, i booted into xp, i spaced out so i double clicked on the partition then it said u need to format and i did NOT format it
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05:13<Shazburg>ProfOak: Well there you go. I'll go back to my Puppet configs then. ;)
05:13<ProfOak>Shazburg: haha, alright
05:13<atari5o>whenever I bring up my wireless with ath5k broadcom bluetooth adapter goes haywire...up and down several times a second
05:13<deniz>ml|, then i inserted lenny dvd and it had nothing to mount so im like wtf then booted ubuntu live cd to check it graphically and it showed me the whole unallocated business in gparted
05:14<deniz>atari5o, what does that have to do with modules?
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05:15<atari5o>well...I am pretty new to linux, but it seems the modules have a list of hardware they associate with, and that stupid ath5k module takes over the hardware ID of the bluetooth module...
05:16<atari5o>yet doesn't actually support it....
05:16<deniz>ath5k doesn't support your wireless you mean?
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05:18<atari5o>it supports the wireless fine, but if I do: modprobe ath5k, iwconfig, ifconfig wlan0 up....the bluetooth module goes retarded
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05:18<atari5o>to the point of consuming system resources due to several disconnect/reconnect cycles a second
05:19<deniz>atari5o, im not familiar with bluetooth since i never used it but when your bluetooth connection is active is there an icon on the panel on top right?
05:19<deniz>right click on it and find out the driver
05:19<deniz>in connection information
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05:19<deniz>if it's like wireless internet
05:19<vvas>atari5o: sounds like a bug you should report to the authors of ath5k
05:20<deniz>nope to me or vvas?
05:20<ml|>deniz: what is the 25o drive for and that 500gb is for backups?
05:20<deniz>ml|, 250gb=WinXP, 500gb hd is for debian but i made an ext3 partition and backed up the data there with the goal in mind to mount that partition as my home later on
05:21<atari5o>It seems like it is a bug...but I am the newest newbie there is...I have no idea how to report such a thing...I am winging it here
05:21<vvas>atari5o: are they both on the PCI bus?
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05:21<atari5o>no, the bluetooth is internal, but on the usb bus
05:21<deniz>atari5o, the package called reportbug but if you find out the driver is called i might be able to help
05:21<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
05:21<jm_>atari5o: try newer kernel first
05:21<ml|>deniz: so 250gb now has xp and debian or ust xp?
05:21<deniz>what's that
05:21<vvas>atari5o: ok
05:22<deniz>atari5o, if jm_ is right, you could install a newer kernel without removing your current one easily from
05:22<vvas>atari5o: so do the kernel messages mention that ath5k has found a usb device or something? do two wireless devices show up in ifconfig/iwconfig?
05:23<atari5o>I tried changing to unstable, with a dist-upgrade...lots of changes, but none to this problem
05:23<deniz>atari5o, do not use unstable if your a newbie!
05:23<atari5o>when the wireless is up there is wlan0 and wmaster or something
05:24<atari5o>well...I wanted my problem to go away
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05:24<vvas>atari5o: hm, might be worth trying a more recent kernel indeed
05:24<jm_>atari5o: changing to unstable might not necessarily have installed a newer kernel for you
05:25<vvas>atari5o: what does "uname -r" say?
05:25<deniz>ml|, oh! you meant "just"? lol well 250gb is just xp
05:26<deniz>atari5o, that's an old kernel
05:26<atari5o>I reinstalled to try again
05:26<deniz>atari5o, install lenny and get 2.6.30 from
05:26<vvas>atari5o: well you can try installing linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 and booting with that, see if it makes a difference
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05:27<atari5o>It seems unlikely....I think the real problem might be that the bluetooth module is being detected as "Hewlett-Packard Wireless (Bluetooth + WLAN) Interface [Integrated Module]"
05:27<ProfOak>Is anyone good with gnome?
05:27<atari5o>which it is is just bluetooth
05:27<deniz>vvas, jm_, out of curiosity, how can you be running sid and have same kernel as lenny?
05:28<atari5o>but I will try a newer kernel
05:28<deniz>ProfOak, as your specific question otherwise people wont answer
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05:28<ProfOak>ok does anyone know how to make this panel completely transparent?
05:29<deniz>right click properties (on panel)-->backround-->solid colour-->style
05:29<deniz>ProfOak, ^
05:29<vvas>deniz, well, if you upgrade from lenny to sid, the upgrade doesn't necessarily pull in a newer kernel
05:29<vvas>(unless you have one of the kernel metapackages installed)
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05:29<jm_>deniz: because you need the right package installed to pull in a newer kernel
05:29<deniz>vvas, how do you know if you have a metapackage installed?
05:29<atari5o>when I went to unstable, I had 2.6.30-1-686 with the same problem
05:30<ProfOak>deniz: I've done that, yet the ends remain not solid.
05:30<jm_>deniz: you query package status with dpkg
05:31<urbinek>how to cut white marks at end of line ?
05:31<vvas>deniz: "dpkg -l | egrep linux-image" and see if there's something that doesn't have 2.6.XX in its name (where XX is a number)
05:32<jm_>urbinek: how to do what?
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05:33<deniz>vvas, linux-image-2.6-amd64?
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05:33<urbinek>jm_ e.g. text="blablabla " and it should be text="blablabla"
05:33<deniz>ProfOak, im not too sure i get your issue
05:33<vvas>deniz: *nod*, that's one of them
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05:33<deniz>vvas, everything else has .XX
05:33<urbinek>text="blablabla_______" > _ is space
05:33<ProfOak>deniz: see the right and left ends? They're both solid, while the middle part is transparent.
05:33<vvas>urbinek: sed 's/ *$//'
05:33<ml|>deniz: so you have your data still in 250gb and maybe a backup of that in 500gb?
05:34<deniz>ml|, 250gb has no data except xp
05:34<deniz>my backup is in the 500gb hdd and it says it's unallocated!
05:34<urbinek>was thx
05:35<deniz>ProfOak, i know this isn't the answer to ur question, but there are nice blue panel themes on gnome-look (i have a nice silver theme)
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05:35<Devil1>Question, i just installed Debian (with a netinstall 502) on a Dell LS400 laptop. As soon as GDM starts up, It closes and linux shuts the pc down. any ideas ?
05:35<ProfOak>deniz: thanks. i figured this would be a strange request anyways.
05:35<ml|>deniz: < deniz> ml|, ok so when i bought my 500gb hdd, i made a huge partition (90% of the drive lets say) and backed up the data from my 250gb into it, kk?
05:36<vvas>ProfOak: i would probably just try to disable those controls at the end of the panel i guess
05:36<deniz>ProfOak, o by backed up i meant moved it
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05:36<deniz>ml|, ^ not ProfOak sry wrong person
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05:36<ml|>that makes sense
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05:37<vvas>anyway, time for breakfast and shit, later
05:37<ProfOak>vvas: I would like to disable them, but I don't know how. They're the things you move the panel with. (it's not expanded)
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05:40<deniz>ProfOak, to move the panel just drag it
05:40<ml|>deniz: you should had, partitioned 500gb with lenny installer how you wanted, then boot into lenny install, mount 250gb and cp data over to your /home , but for your issue i have no idea what happened, maybe you did something by mistake and don't remember
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05:41<ProfOak>deniz: I want to remove that part
05:41<deniz>ml|, trust me id be too paranoid to ruin anything, it has pictures of my mom and stuff
05:41<deniz>and i dont mean that in a dirty way lol
05:42<ProfOak>Oh well, not really a problem anyways. I must be going though. Talk to you all later!
05:42<ml|>deniz: ok, but now you know for next time ;)
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05:43<jm_>good thing deniz said that - I thought perhaps he might be that kid from .nz who sold pics of his mum
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05:45<ml|>deniz: btw, still remember that bit about seperate /home ?
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05:46<deniz>jm_, lol thats dirty
05:46<deniz>ml|, ya i planned to mount that ext3 partition as my home :'(
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05:47<ml|>deniz: always cp and verify it went well, unless you have no choice to mv, cp should be number 1
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05:48<deniz>ml|, well yes i did cp then deleted the rest but i didn't know things would go wrong by themselves
05:48<deniz>ml|, speaking of cp, cp * copies all FILES, but not folders, how do i make it also copy folders? i had to gksudo my way out of that one on the ubuntu live cd
05:48<ml|>deniz: cp -r or cp -a man cp ;)
05:49<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
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05:49<deniz>ml|, in cp -r recursive means all the dirs within the dir? and in cp -a, archive as in .zip??
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05:50<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
05:50<deniz>jm_, lol i also said directory ;) and btw gnome itself calls directories folders :-O
05:51<jm_>deniz: yes, unfortunatelly kernel docs also refer to folders
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05:51<ml|>cp -r, will cp everything in that dir, cp -a does the same but preserves time owner etc.. no .zip
05:51<deniz>jm_, so then what is a folder actually?
05:52<deniz>ml|, time as in when the files were created?
05:52<ml|>for making a quick backup of a dir or anything really i use cp -a
05:52<jm_>deniz: it's a fancy word for directory - used so that we can all pretend people without a clue will know what they are doing with a computer
05:53<deniz>jm_, o i thought you meant it had yet another definition/use
05:54<ml|>deniz: you know better ;)
05:54<ml|>now right?
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05:55<deniz>well i know they're called directory but when you stare at folder icons on your desktop, it becomes subconcious to me
05:55<deniz>and ya so i cant insstall debian now?
05:55<deniz>i really don't want to lose my data
05:55<deniz>if it's not lost already
05:56<deniz>ill try something crazy, ill fsck it
05:56<jm_>I have no idea what your problem actually is, even after this conversation
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05:56<ml|>deniz: might not be lost, you might be able to get it back some how maybe
05:56<deniz>ml|, lol i cant fsck it :'(
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05:57<deniz>jm_, i think my data is not erased but my partition (whole hard drive) seems to be unallocated free space
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05:58<jm_>deniz: if you just deleted partitions and haven't done anything else, you can try and recover old partition table(s) with gpart
05:58<deniz>jm_, i didn't touch anything but i guess you can pretend i just deleted a partition and did nothing ;)
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05:59<deniz>jm_, so how would i do that?
05:59<deniz>after reading something online, it seems that opengl is gonna bring gaming to linux?
06:00<deniz>developpers said its more convenient to work with opengl
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06:00<ml|>deniz: understand now with doing a cp and make sure all is ok preferable
06:01<jm_>deniz: I would check if something like grml includes gpart and then boot with it and try to recover it
06:01<deniz>what's /s/with/why? and yes i should taken the longer more secure road
06:01<jm_>the only reason opengl is interesting to them is perhaps osx
06:01<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. #grml on
06:02<deniz>jm_, i have a ubuntu live cd
06:02<deniz>already loaded
06:02<jm_>deniz: well check if it has that command
06:02<ml|>deniz: learn vim ;) but it means to sub 'with' with 'why'
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06:03<iskari>guys, i have a problem that is beyond my skills, my system wont let me install ati drivers for my card on the backports of lenny, and it wont let me have wlan on the normal non-backports.. anyone care to take a stab at this?
06:03<deniz>ml|, is that like sed?
06:04<ml|>what is?
06:04<jm_>iskari: I think there are no kernel-headers for backported 2.6.30 kernel
06:04<deniz>ml the sub thing
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06:04<iskari>jm_: yes there are, or atleast it says they are installed, i installed them last night
06:05<deniz>jm_, wait you want me to get a package called grml? cuz the command grml does nothing or is that just the livecd name?
06:05<deniz>iskari, what driver does your wireless depend on and what kernel are you using?
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06:06<deniz>im starting to be tired again it's 6:06 am and i havent slept yet
06:06<iskari>deniz: iwgaln or something like that
06:06<ml|>similar, but i use rename for removing '_' spaces etc..., in vim it's actually %s/with/why/g
06:07<jm_>deniz: it's a live CD, but no need to use it if ubuntu has the command
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06:08<jm_>iskari: ahh then it's the fact ATI driver is not compatible with 2.6.30 - check if there are patches
06:08<deniz>jm_, it doesn't, even debian lenny doesn't it
06:08<deniz>(the laptop im on now is lenny)
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06:08<iskari>jm_: sorry for the noobness, but how do do that?
06:08<jm_>deniz: well in Debian it's apackage you install
06:09<deniz>jm_, what's the package
06:09<jm_>iskari: well use google, something like "ati driver linux 2.6.30"
06:09<jm_>deniz: ffs, it's gpart
06:09<ml|>deniz: but grml might include it, since you need a livecd
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06:10<deniz>jm_, ml|, gparted is part of the livecd and grml might include what? sorry im getting dumber by the second because it's approx my bed time lol
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06:11<ml|>deniz: gpart
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06:11<deniz>ml|, o that's a different package than gparted??
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06:11<deniz>jm_, o no wonder
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06:12<ml|> Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a PC-type disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is damaged, incorrect or deleted.
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06:12<ml|>It is also good at finding and listing the types, locations, and sizes of inadvertently-deleted partitions, both primary and logical. It gives you the information you need to manually re-create them (using fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, etc.).
06:13<deniz>jm_, ml|, k i have it installed now :) (on ubuntu live cd), i want to install it on my lenny laptop, this can rescue any unmounted partitions right?
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06:15<deniz>jm_, so i enter the grml command?
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06:16<deniz>or that's just the live cd name?
06:16<ml|>deniz: grml is a livecd
06:16<deniz>k so
06:16<deniz>i have gpart installed
06:16<deniz>i enter gpart in terminal?
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06:17<azeem_>deniz: please don't ask whether you should do for every command you run
06:17<azeem_>if everybody in here would do that, it would make the channel totally unusable
06:17<deniz>sorry :(
06:17<ml|>deniz: man gpart, i have not used it so i would not know
06:18<lupine_86>Debian's Exim configuration - I want to modify the delivery retry setup so it retries every half hour, rather than working on an exponential decay. Is there a standardised way to do that?
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06:19<lupine_86>I see a retry 'thing' in the conf.template... (I'm not using split config)
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06:21<deniz>jm_, ml|, ext3 is NOT listed as one of the recognized file systems!
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06:23<deniz>jm_, ml|, does this mean i cant rescue my data?
06:23<azeem_>deniz: is ext2 mentioned?
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06:24<deniz>azeem_, yes
06:25<azeem_>deniz: I assume ext4 will be supported as well then
06:25<deniz>azeem_, is this gonna be some mounting ext3 as ext2?
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06:25<deniz>azeem_, lenny has no ext4, nothing does till .28
06:26<azeem_>deniz: are you talking about ext3 or ext4?
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06:26<jm_>deniz: it should find ext3 too AFAIK
06:27<deniz>azeem_, 3
06:27<azeem_>ah, my fault then
06:27<azeem_>eh, typo
06:27<azeem_>deniz: I assume ext3 will be supported as well then
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06:28<deniz>jm_, gpart -f -i ? what exactly would the command be?
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06:30<jm_>deniz: yeah, just don't use -W
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06:31<deniz>jm_, so something like gpart -f -i /dev/hda ?
06:31<urbinek>emm, how to remove "\r \n" from line ? sed "s/\r \n//" and sed "s/\\r \\n//" are not working
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06:32<azeem_>urbinek: try tr maybe
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06:34<jm_>deniz: for example
06:34<deniz>jm_, seems to be working, so i should just say yes to everything it asks about accepting guesses? and it yes it was /dev/sdb
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06:35<jm_>deniz: it won't make any changes anyway
06:35<jm_>it should just print what it finds
06:35<jm_>and you'll need to go from there
06:36<deniz>jm_, k, thanks
06:36<deniz>i just hope it wont ask me a literal million times lol
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06:48<Lantizia>Lo, is there a way of getting variant symlinks on debian?
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06:48<urbinek>azeem thx, but sed "s/\\\r \\\n//" works :)
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06:53<jm_>urbinek: start using ''
06:53<urbinek>jm_ u mean ?
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06:54<jm_>urbinek: instead of ""
06:54<urbinek>jm_: what is diffrent ?
06:55<urbinek>how to remove more than 2 spaces ? sed -e 's/[\t ]//g;/^$/d' removes all
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06:56<jm_>urbinek: man bash explains the difference; [\t ]\{2,\}
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06:57<urbinek>jm_: thx :) i didn't know that i can do that :D
06:58<deniz_>jm_, offset means unallocated space?
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06:59<jm_>deniz_: what offset?
06:59<deniz_>jm_, on gpart
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07:00<urbinek>i'm starting to like sed :D
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07:02<jm_>deniz_: where does it list it?
07:02<deniz_>jm_, on each question it's asking as yes or no for the partition guesses
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07:03<jm_>deniz_: then stop it and run just gpart -v .... for now
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07:05<deniz_>jm_, what does the -v mean? i dont get the manual, it says verbose and stuff, i dont understand what that means
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07:05<dr|z3d>verbose = spew me more info.
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07:05<deniz_>dr|z3d, lol, thanks :)
07:06<dr|z3d>"use more words to tell me what's going on!"
07:06<deniz_>is verbose some latin word for verbal or something?
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07:07<deniz_>dictionary said it's elaboration
07:07<azeem_>deniz: it's english
07:08<dr|z3d>From verbosus, "word", in Latin.
07:08<deniz_>so it's like saying "elaborate"
07:08<dr|z3d>Another way of expressing verbose is "wordy". There you have it.
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07:09<deniz_>jm_, is this only going to show me more or is it going to "revive" my partitions with data in it?
07:09<jm_>deniz_: just show what it finds
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07:09<deniz_>jm_, so so far have i done anything irreversible?
07:10<ml|>deniz_: you might find package 'dict' usefull
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07:10<deniz_>ml|, i have the dictionary on my panel
07:10<jm_>deniz_: probably not
07:10<deniz_>jm_, k because i have a little feeling i did something wrong on one of the questions
07:11<deniz_>is it going to ask me to revive?
07:11<deniz_>or do i have to do something AFTER the -v command?
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07:12<jm_>this will just print it, if it finds them, -W option is needed to write part. table, but you should be really careful with that
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07:12<deniz_>jm_, ok so basically -W is the permanent changes part?
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07:13<deniz_>can someone give me a good link that defines offset in the context of what i'm doing and not like: if possible please?
07:13<jm_>deniz_: yes
07:13<jm_>deniz_: offset is how far from the beginning something is
07:14<jm_>deniz_: i.e. your offset from PEBCAM land is roughly 500km
07:14<deniz_>jm_, yes i understood that part, basically it's saying how deep the data is on the disk?
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07:14<jm_>deniz_: how far from the starting point
07:15<deniz_>jm_, so it should be 0mb given that i had that ext3 partition and ~20gb of unallocated 2nd partition?
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07:15<jm_>deniz_: well that would depend on how you created the partitions
07:16<deniz_>first i made ext3 and thats it as primary partition nothing was extended
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07:18<jm_>deniz: first partition typically starts on 2nd cylinder
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07:19<deniz_>jm_, what does that mean in my context? (ill read on cylinders lol)
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07:20<deniz_>how many cylinders does a disk have?
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07:20<Tuplad>can I use ubuntu's .deb files to install the latest version of Exaile for example ?
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07:21<deniz_>Tuplad, did you try getting .deb files from newer branches in debian?
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07:21<deniz_>Tuplad, cuz the ubuntu way - sometimes works, sometimes doesn't
07:21<Tuplad>deniz: I'm on lenny, and the versions there are too old to be honest
07:22<gast>hi, is there a package to convert amr files to ogg or mp3?
07:22<Tuplad>deniz_: or you mean I can try sid ?
07:22<deniz_>Tuplad, no, but try getting squeeze packages and installing them in lenny
07:22<Lantizia>Hi, how can I use variant symlinks on Debian?
07:22<themill>judd versions exaile
07:22<judd>themill: exaile -- lenny: sid: 0.2.14+debian-2 squeeze: 0.2.14+debian-2
07:22<Lantizia>maybe an extra package I can install?
07:22<azeem_>Tuplad: or look for a backport
07:22<Tuplad>deniz_: oh wait, sorry, I mean't I'm in squeeze
07:22<deniz_>Tuplad, remember what you do so that if it goes wrong you know what to remove
07:23<Tuplad>deniz_: I'm on testing ;)
07:23<Tuplad>deniz_: and what you mean look for a backport ? :D
07:23<jm_>deniz_: it means it doesn't start at offset 0
07:23<ml|>dpkg: tell Tuplad about bpo
07:24<ml|>but that is for lenny users
07:24<themill>You might want to look at judd's last output before telling people to look for a backport.
07:24<deniz_>Tuplad, o well that's better actually, just add sid in ur sources.list and get the sid packages of ur app then it will never update until squeeze has a newer version (like put priorities on the repositories in ur source.list - there are guides for that on debian forums)
07:24<Tuplad>oh nice :)
07:24<themill>and since the same version is in squeeze and sid, that's not going to be useful
07:24<ml|>and judd said they are all the same
07:24<Tuplad>themill: o'rly ? :O
07:25<Tuplad>themill: judd ?
07:25<deniz_>themill, what about experimental?
07:25<ml|>Tuplad: read what judd said above
07:25<Tuplad>oh, didn't notice his post
07:25<themill>deniz_: see judd's output...
07:25<Tuplad>indeed, won't be useful
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07:26<deniz_>ml|, can you please explain this whole offset thing to me?
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07:26<azeem_>deniz_: don't recommend using unstable
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07:26<deniz_>azeem_, i wasn't recommending sid as a whole, just for a particular package
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07:27<azeem_>"just add sid in ur sources.list"
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07:27<azeem_>is basically meaning an upgrade to sid
07:27<Tuplad>azeem_: dont worry azeem, I know what he meant :)
07:27<deniz_>azeem_, yes add not replace squeeze with ;)
07:27<azeem_>deniz_: what happens on the next apt-get upgrade?
07:27<deniz_>azeem_, no but i said to follow the debian guides
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07:28<ml|>deniz_: you can just add sid repo to sources.list
07:28<deniz_>i have no cruel intentions lol
07:28<azeem_>deniz_: I'm not saying you have
07:28<azeem_>deniz_: I'm just saying you're giving out bad advice
07:28<deniz_>lol sorry ill be more specific next time
07:28<deniz_>but can someone please help me with this offset business so i can sleep
07:29<azeem_>just never tell users to install unstable packages
07:29<deniz_>it's like 7 am or sumtin
07:29<ml|>deniz_: do you have sid in your sources.list?
07:29<Tuplad>isn't it like, adding the sid to my sources list and going aptitude -t sid install <package> ?
07:29<deniz_>ml|, never went less stable than squeeze
07:29<azeem_>Tuplad: 13:24 < azeem_> deniz_: what happens on the next apt-get upgrade?
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07:30<deniz_>Tuplad, that's what i was referring to, just didn't know exactly how to explain it since i haven't done it myself
07:30<Tuplad>azeem_: you upgrade to sid ?
07:30<Tuplad>azeem_: but hey, I can remove it right after ? :D
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07:30<Lantizia>variant symlinks? can debian actually do this?
07:30<azeem_>Tuplad: you didn't know about backports or that Ubuntu packages are incompatible with debian packages
07:31<azeem_>so it didn't strike me a good idea to recommend anything involving unstable to you
07:31<Tuplad>azeem_: well, I had an idea. I knew what backports were but I didn't know there was a repository for it. I ask questions just in case :)
07:31<gast>to convert amr to ogg there is this documentation which needs three steps
07:31<deniz>ya that sounds like resonable logic actually
07:31<gast>is there an easier way?
07:31<deniz>azeem_, ^
07:31<ml|>Tuplad: you need a /etc/apt/apt.conf along with sid repo for things not to go wrong
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07:32<Tuplad>azeem_: someone told me debian and ubuntu doesn't go well together, but I thought it wouldn't matter for a media player because the file hierarchy wouldn't differ that much for a media player =)
07:32<Tuplad>azeem_: because afaik, that's the only thing that differs :o
07:32<themill>Lantizia: Does the linux VFS support that at all? If yes, then debian does. If no, then debian doesn't.
07:32<azeem_>Tuplad: :)
07:32<deniz_>ml|, i see similar sized partitions with different number of megabytes of offset, how do i know which ones to say yes or no to?
07:32<azeem_>Tuplad: except for the depending versions of the core libraries
07:32<Tuplad>ml|: roger that, but it seems that version in sid is same as in squeeze so I won't bother doing it
07:33<gast>i found ffmpeg as well
07:33<gast>i know this is no debian issue :)
07:33<Lantizia>themill, don't think it's a filesytem thing
07:33<ml|>Tuplad: correct, but atleast now you know just to add sid repo
07:33<Tuplad>ml|: indeed :]
07:33<deniz_>ml|, do i just say yes to all of them?
07:34<deniz_>to all the partitions approx the size i had made i mean
07:34<ml|>deniz_: sorry, but like i said before i have no clue
07:34<deniz_>ml|, o, k, thanks, ill quick google and if not ill just put use to all
07:34<deniz_>sorry im tired
07:34<deniz_>yes not use i meant
07:34<ml|>np good luck
07:34<themill>Lantizia: I'm pretty sure symlinks are implemented either in the FS or VFS layers
07:34<deniz_>thx :)
07:35<Lantizia>themill, not this kind :D
07:36<Lantizia>^^^ I could really use that ability
07:37<themill>Lantizia: that doesn't actually say anything. I know what they are. I think you'll find that in *BSD they are implemented in kernel
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07:37<Lantizia>themill, exactly it's a kernel thing - so I'm thinking maybe theres some tool or module I can load to add the ability to linux?
07:37<deniz_>jm_, in the end i just run gpart -W /dev/sdb and then it'll do it all?
07:37<jm_>that just redirects to symbolic link for me
07:37<themill>Lantizia: [12:32] <themill> Lantizia: Does the linux VFS support that at all? If yes, then debian does. If no, then debian doesn't.
07:37<jm_>deniz_: in ideal world yes
07:38<jm_>deniz_: I would make backups first though
07:38<themill>Lantizia: I doubt it. But feel free to write such a layer and send it in to the kernel developers....
07:38<deniz_>jm_, i can't make backups out of unallocated space --> there is no viewable data on the whole disk
07:38<Tuplad>thanks guys :)
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07:39<jm_>deniz_: you can still make backup of the sectors it will modify
07:39<deniz_>jm_, how???
07:39<jm_>deniz_: with dd
07:39<deniz_>jm_, i haven't learnt how to use that command yet
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07:41<themill>Lantizia: patches exist, in fact: But you'll notice that Al Viro's comment on them was "NAK - it's too ugly to live."
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07:41<jm_>deniz_: dd if=/dev/hda of=/safeplace/hda.mbr count=1 - thtis only takes care of backing up MBR
07:42<Lantizia>themill, lol
07:42<deniz_>jm_, MBR = windows' grub?
07:42<jm_>deniz_: master boot record, the first sector on the disk
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07:42<jm_>ahh variant symlinks is a section in that page :P
07:43<deniz_>jm_, so the mbr is all i need to backup right?
07:43<jm_>deniz_: if that's all that will be modified - extended partitions have info elsewhere
07:44<deniz_>well i dont need any extended partitions' info so that's the only thing i need to backup under those circumstances, right?
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07:44<gast>ich which channel can i get help for multimedia conversion?
07:44<jm_>deniz_: probably
07:45<deniz_>jm_, where is the backup going to be stored?
07:45<jm_>deniz_: file called /safeplace/hda.mbr in my example
07:46<deniz_>so i replace safeplace with /home/ubuntu/Desktop (for live cd)
07:46<jm_>you need to specify a file it will write to
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07:46<deniz_>jm_, what do you mean write to a file? am i not saving a file?
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07:47<jm_>deniz_: you are saving to a file
07:47<ml|>dd if=/dev/hda of=/Desktop/hda.mbr count=1
07:47<deniz_>so that will save hda.mbr onto desktop right?
07:48<ml|>well that's wrong sorry
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07:48<deniz_>its ok
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07:49<deniz_>jm_, so what's an example of what i could replace "safeplace" with?
07:49<ml|>dd if=/dev/hda of=/home/user/Desktop/hda.mbr count=1
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07:49<ml|>replace 'user' of course
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07:50<deniz_>and i also replace hda with sdb?
07:50<egamonal>hi, i just read that to get debian testing I shall include some stable lines in my sources.list
07:50<egamonal>is it ok?
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07:50<deniz_>egamonal, no, do not mix stable and testing
07:50<egamonal>right, i'll use my old sources.list
07:51<egamonal>thanks deniz_ :)
07:51<deniz_>egamonal, it will ruin things, use either one or the other, testing is pretty stable, just not 100% reliable for like servers etc
07:51<egamonal>nah, i've used testing for 5 years with no trouble
07:51<egamonal>i'll keep using it
07:51<jm_>deniz_: any valid path where you want to save it
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07:52<deniz_>jm_, im saving sdb.mbr though right?
07:52<deniz_>egamonal, instead of putting the word "testing" in your sources.list, it's better you put "squeeze"
07:52<jm_>deniz_: well save the MBR from the device that gpart will modify if you tell it to
07:53<egamonal>i'll do it, deniz_
07:53<egamonal>why, anyway? maybe because of the security repos?
07:54<jm_>that suggestion is OK for stable, but for testing it probably doesn't matter
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07:54<deniz_>egamonal, squeeze main contrib non-free is all you need and because you have the chance to make a decision on an upgrade before it does something that could potentially break your system
07:55<deniz_>jm_, well yes true actually, sry im rely tired again
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07:55<egamonal>right, thanks
07:55<egamonal>shouldn't I add deb sqeeze/non-US main contrib non-free ?
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07:55<jm_>no, non-us is not needed for years
07:56<egamonal>ok :)
07:58<deniz_>egamonal, you misspelt squeeze
07:58<egamonal>i know, i just got the 404
07:58<egamonal>it's fixed
07:58<deniz_>yay lol
07:58<egamonal>have you had any trouble with debian-multimedia?
07:59<ml|>none here
07:59<egamonal>uhms, i'll try it again, then
08:00<deniz_>egamonal, by trouble you mean the key?
08:01<egamonal>d'oh, I misspelled squeezed in the debian-multimedia line, too
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08:03<egamonal>uhms, is it normal having 2.6.26-2-686 ?
08:03<gast>i have a bunch of amr files and wont to convert them with ffmpeg
08:03<gast>how do I change the ending .amr to .ogg
08:03<egamonal>my portable computer has 2.6.27 or 29, i think
08:03<egamonal>with mandriva, though
08:04<jm_>gast: what is amr file?
08:04<gast>its the format mobile phones create
08:05<jm_>can mplayer play those?
08:05<jm_>right it can
08:05<gast>but i just need the syntax to replace the input string
08:05<jm_>to rename the files or what?
08:06<jm_>prename or mmv for command line tools, there are also GUI ones
08:06<gast>the script should work like this: ffmpeg -i some.amr some.ogg
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08:07<jm_>that is not rename, that is conversion
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08:07<gast>however, my issue is just about the name
08:07<jm_>I suppose you want to write a script that takes some.amr as input and calls ffmpeg to create some.ogg
08:08<gast>thats what i told
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08:08<deniz_>jm_, the -v option will tell me what the -W option will write?
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08:08<gast>so i will take $1 and convert the string to end with .ogg
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08:10<jm_>simply call it like so: ffmpeg ... -i "$1" "${1/amr/ogg}"
08:10<jm_>deniz_: more or less yes
08:11<deniz_>jm_, so technically i don't even have to do that and can just go to -W?
08:12<gast>jm_ thanks a lot!
08:12<jm_>deniz_: well yes
08:12<jm_>gast: no worries
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08:14<deniz_>jm_, -W is not working!:
08:14<jm_>deniz_: you are not using it correctly
08:14<deniz_>o thank god
08:14<deniz_>i thot itd be an actual issue :)
08:14<deniz_>so how do i do it right?
08:15<jm_>it's -W /dev/hdb /dev/hdb
08:15<jm_>look at the examples
08:15<jm_>of course modify /dev/hdb to be the real device
08:15<deniz_>sudo gpart -W /dev/sdb /dev/sdb ???
08:15<jm_>did it report any valid partition sizes as you remember them?
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08:15<deniz_>jm_, yes
08:15<deniz_>jm_, several of which were corrupted debian installs
08:16<deniz_>but i chose no for those
08:16<jm_>deniz_: so you need to be careful which one to write
08:16<deniz_>ok so if i made a mistake? is it a matter of getting my mbr backup or am i just destroying all my data?
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08:17<jm_>yeah you'd just write it back from mbr and be in the same situation you are now - another thing you should be careful about is mounting the fs once it creates the partition
08:18<deniz_>jm_, how can i tell if my data is recovered without mounting?
08:18<jm_>deniz_: tools like dumpe2fs, debugfs or even explore2fs in windows
08:19<deniz_>jm_, do you know of any linux apps?
08:19<deniz_>id rather play doctor in a linux live cd than in windows cuz i feel more comfortable here
08:19<deniz_>unless it's very GUI and all that
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08:20<deniz_>jm_, explore2fs sounds like the friendliest name :)
08:20<jm_>deniz_: possibly autopsy or e2tools package
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08:21<jm_>debugfs is native tool though
08:21<deniz_>jm_, ok but for windows' explore2fs, how does that work exactly? it mounts it safely or something?
08:22<jm_>deniz_: it's explorer like interface that allows you to browse/copy/.. the fs from windows
08:22<jm_>by default it's safe since it's in read-only mode
08:23<deniz_>so basically i just need to prevent it from writing?
08:24<deniz_>jm_, * Warning: partition table written, you should reboot now. im ready to start, is explore2fs wine-able?
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08:24<jm_>deniz_: I have no idea, I wouldn't use it like that
08:25<deniz_>jm_, are the linux versions text or GUI?
08:25<jm_>deniz_: preventing it from writing for real is not as easy as it sounds
08:25<jm_>deniz_: the ones I know are text
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08:26<deniz_>ok im too tired to discover text things now but what i do is go to WinXP, install/launch explore2fs, then view my ext3 partition?
08:26<deniz_>jm_, k, im going to reboot, thanks for all your help
08:27<jm_>deniz_: no problem
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08:46<gast>hi i cant install apt-file: broken packages libapt-pkg-perl
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08:46<gast>depends libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6
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08:54<themill>dpkg: tell gast about bat
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08:55<urbinek>how change Debian into router ?
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08:56<urbinek>with DHCP but no passwords, WPA etc
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08:58<tzafrir_laptop>urbinek, I personally use dnsmasq
08:59<egamonal>some months ago I used to install the nvidia privative driver from to get compiz-fusion working. now I see in apt-cache search that there are some packages related to nvidia, such "nvidia-glx"
08:59<egamonal>shall I use this one instead of the one in ?
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09:00<jm_>egamonal: nvidia drivers are in debian for years, and yes, you should use that instead of using nvidia's installer
09:00<vvas>egamonal: i would recommend it yes
09:00<egamonal>but they are more or less the same, aren't?
09:01<vvas>egamonal: otherwise you can run into problems that, for example, you upgrade the Debian packages and they overwrite the nVidia libGL
09:01<themill>!why nvidia installer sucks
09:01<dpkg>nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia> <nvidia compiler fix>.
09:01<egamonal>I suffered it some months ago :P
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09:01<vvas>so there you go :^)
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09:01<egamonal>thank you dpkg!
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09:12<ml|>how can i get hard drive info without rebooting, like mfg?
09:12<jm_>what is mfg?
09:13<egamonal>get info like metadata, or your personal data?
09:13<locsmif>ml|, hdparm
09:13<jm_>ahh you can see it in /sys/device or use hdparm
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09:13<vvas>ml|: hdparm, -i or -I
09:13<oigres>I've messed up my /etc/apt directory (in sid) and it seems that it is not using now a std sources.list, but rather a bunch of files in sources.list.d with subdirs amd64 and i386 ... I'm confussed! Is there a way to fix all that?
09:13<jm_>sorry /sys/block/device
09:14<vvas>oigres: this change was caused by ia32-apt-get, check its documentation
09:14<egamonal>about nvidia drivers: do I need the kernel module besides nvidia-glx package?
09:14<themill>oigres: see /usr/share/doc/ia32-apt-get. Welcome to sid.
09:14<ml|>ok thanks guys
09:14<jm_>egamonal: yes, nvidia-glx depends on it
09:14<egamonal>right jm_
09:15<oigres>Okey dokey! Tx a lot guys!
09:15<vvas>hm, does anyone know offhand if there is a page that documents the current GNOME transition?
09:15<ml|>is hdparm save to use?
09:16<azeem_>hdparm -l is
09:16<vvas>ml|: in general, yes
09:16<jm_>vvas: current package versions etc? check packages and status links maybe
09:16<vvas>azeem_: there is no -l, i guess you mean -I?
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09:18<vvas>jm_: ah thanks, the link from there ( ) is useful
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09:18<urbinek>tzafrir_laptop: k, but how to turn desktop into AP ?
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09:19<tzafrir_laptop>urbinek, wireless?
09:19<tzafrir_laptop>I guess it also depends on the card
09:19<ml|>vvas: ok. thanks
09:20<ml|>jm_: what should i look for in /sys/block/device ?
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09:21<egamonal>has anyone write permission on ? if possible, warn users that the installation of nvidia-glx comes after the first step. it isn't clear at the beginning
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09:22<themill>egamonal: "after the first step" by what method?
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09:23<jm_>ml|: look in device dir/symlink, model file
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09:24<egamonal>themill, in they talk about nvidia-glx but later, in , they recommend installing the package after finishing step 1
09:25<egamonal>it looks like it's ok for any method
09:25<vvas>uf, in the end i had to manually tell aptitude to install brasero in order for gnome-desktop-environment to be upgraded
09:25<ml|>egamonal: it's fine, Note: The reason this step has to come after step 2 is that nvidia-glx depends....
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09:26<egamonal>yeah, i don't think it's wrong, either
09:26<egamonal>it's just that in the introduction we talk about nvidia-glx as if we could install it straight forward, but we should wait until step 2
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09:27<themill>egamonal: you only have to follow the instructions that are on that page and it works.
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09:29<chealer>egamonal: it's a wiki, anyone can edit it, but I don't see the problem you're talking about
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09:30<ml|>chealer: my i pm you?
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09:30<chealer>ml|: sure
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09:32<egamonal>another question
09:32<egamonal>related to xorg.conf and nvidia drivers: * If it contains a "Module" section, be sure that it contains a line:
09:32<egamonal>shall I create the section if it doesn't exist?
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09:34<chealer>egamonal: what does you xorg.conf look like?
09:34<egamonal>much shorter than what I expected
09:34<egamonal>I'll paste it somewhere
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09:35<chealer>egamonal: no, you shouldn't
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09:37<egamonal>let's restart the X
09:37<egamonal>see you :)
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09:38<egamonal>muahaha it worked :)
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09:41<Zathraz>Hi. I have a tricky sudo(ers) issue on Lenny. Any hints much appreciated.
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09:42<abel>hi... I have installed debian with lxde from the oficial ISO CD (debian release ftp)... and every thing looks normal to me, but graphic do not start...
09:43<abel>any body who can help me..?
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09:44<Zathraz>checked logfiles?
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09:45<abel>ok.. I have them here but they are too long...
09:45<abel>this is the first
09:45<abel>I found
09:45<abel>that may be the problem
09:46<abel>Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Jul 20 20:21:02 2009 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. (=
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09:46<Zathraz>use a pastebin instead
09:46<Zathraz>it's not a lxde issue. It's an xorg one
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09:47<vvas>wow, ia32-apt-get is a royal mess at the moment isn't it
09:47<Zathraz>yet. what you show now does not have to be killing
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09:50<abel>can I upload the file?
09:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Just use pastebinit (package) if you cannot cut & paste.
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09:52<abel>This is the file upload...
09:54<egamonal>ouf... after compiz --replace , window borders and titles disappear :/
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09:56<vvas>egamonal: have you installed compiz-gtk and/or compiz-kde (depending on your desktop environment)?
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09:57<egamonal>egamonal2 it's me too
09:57<egamonal2>I installed compiz following the debian wiki steps
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09:57<egamonal2>these packages: apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-fusion-plugins-main
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09:58<abel>I found this warnings... this can make the graphic do not start?
09:58<abel>(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (WW) The directory "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path.
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09:59<vvas>egamonal: as i said, try also installing compiz-kde (if you're running KDE) or compiz-gtk (if you're running everything else)
10:00<egamonal2>it says that compiz-gtk (i'm using gnome) is already installed
10:00<Zathraz>abel, just warnings and a bit of a messy xorg.conf but no errors. So I presume X is running but LXDE does not?
10:01<ml|>yeah i see no errors in that X.log
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10:02<ml|>vvas: it is hdparm -I , now search for actual name from model number :)
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10:04<abel>well like I said I instaled fron CD... I have done that, its because I dont know who to fix it... because I already have prove to install only base sistem and after LXDE and the result was the same... BLACK SCREEN... and no error on log file...
10:04<setog3>I use debian on an amd_64 arch, and I have problem with mplayer I get an error about No such file when I try to run it, I have also some problem with wine ( missing), I don't know what I have done (maybee a deborphan clean), and how to fix it, if you have any clue would be helpful
10:04<abel>I have already instaled compiz kde
10:04<vvas>ml|: heh, i guess that's an issue too :^)
10:05<abel>wait to see the results
10:05<vvas>ml|: but usually doing a Google search on the model number suffices
10:05<vvas>egamonal: hm, weird that you don't get window decorations then
10:06<ml|>vvas: yes thanks found it already :) model number is better than rebooting just to get that info
10:06<Gromitt>setog3: try to install the libs.
10:06<Gromitt>setog3: or --reinstall. :)
10:06<vvas>ml|: *nod*
10:06<egamonal>well, i'm meeting my girlfriend
10:07<egamonal>let's see if when I'm back compiz works!
10:07<egamonal>thank you all :)
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10:23<rjent>Greetings, how do I read what a disks partition labels are from the console?
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10:24<handjob>Hi all. I am new to debian (made first install few moments ago). Can someone recommend me a good post install tutorial?
10:25<themill>handjob: /msg dpkg reference ; /msg dpkg grounding ; /msg dpkg debian book
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10:25<ml|>rjent: you want to know label assigned to a partition?
10:25<themill>rjent: "ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/" gives you that information the other way around
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10:26<handjob>themill: Thank you.
10:26<ml|>can also use blkid or vol_id for more info
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10:26<rjent>ml| & themill : thanks
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10:33<bighornram>I'm running lenny. BESIDES changing browser to iceweasel in preferred applications why would i still have epiphany associated with desktop weblinks?
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10:37<Slurb>bighornram: unless you change it in preferred apps it wont change
10:38<bighornram>Slurb: it already has it set to iceweasel and the desktop icons are epiphany.
10:39<bighornram>it's not changing it.
10:39<Slurb>its the icons on the desktop, they call epiphany
10:39<bighornram>happened in an update at some point.
10:39<bighornram>when i use the link on the desktop epiphany opens.
10:40<bighornram>but preferred apps is set to iceweasel
10:40<Slurb>bighornram: right click on the icon and select properties and see what the command is that it is running and remove epiphany and replace it with iceweasel or firefox
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10:43<Slurb>bighornram: if the icon is made with epiphany it wont change automatically
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10:45<bighornram>Slurb: it is the epiphany icon, I dont' see in properties where it says which app is associated with it. I had one time happen before that associated programs didn't update after an upgrade.
10:45<Slurb>the icons arent like windows
10:45<Slurb>the epiphany icon will always be associated with epiphany
10:46<Slurb>its not an internet icon
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10:46<Slurb>go to the applications menu and then to internet and drag the iceweasel icon to the desktop then you can trash the epiphany one
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10:47<vvas>hm, running "reportbug reportbug" does feel a bit ironic
10:47<Slurb>vvas: like "man man"
10:49<bighornram>Slurb: Oh is not a desktop icon to open a browser window only. This is an icon/link created by dragging a specific webpage to the desktop. ie: bookmark to the desktop.
10:49<vvas>heh, yeah
10:50<bighornram>made it with iceweasel but the link associates with epiphany as epiphany must be still the app associated with htm/html links
10:51<Slurb>bighornram: must be a bug
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10:51<Slurb>bighornram: same prob here
10:51<Slurb>lemme see if i can figure it out
10:51<bighornram>i think the mime type database needs to be updated but I don't know the command to do that
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10:53<gast># apt-get install aptfile > depends libapt-pkg-perl > depends libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 > broken package
10:53<themill>gast: you were going to pastebin stuff about that for us...
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10:54<Slurb>bighornram: no they are correct
10:55<Slurb>bighornram: got to applications>system>configuration editor
10:55<Slurb>then inside got to desktop>gnome>url handlers
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10:57<gast>slurb please tell me the application or config file
10:58<Slurb>gast what version debian?
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10:59<Slurb>i dont find a package aptfile
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11:00<gast>apt-file i meant of course :)
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11:02<themill>gast: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy apt-file apt libapt-pkg-perl libc6"
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11:05<Slurb>bighornram: i think ive got it
11:05<hackndoes>Hi guys and gals, i have this problem at boot time "Deprecated config file /etc/modprobe.conf all config files belong into /etc/modprobe.d/" cant find anything about this error but a few threads in forums all related to the same person's question which are not relevant for me. i want to know how to solve this
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11:06<handjob>Flashplayer homepage has .deb package yet it says it's for ubuntu. Will it run on debian?
11:06<themill>!adobe flash
11:06<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release because Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <non-free> <bpo> <flash64beta>
11:07<handjob>themill: Thank you again.
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11:08<gast>slurb thanks for your efforts, just qry me when you are done
11:09<hackndoes>any bot has the answer for me?
11:09<hackndoes>or person will qualify as well
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11:09<hackndoes>i am certain you know the issue
11:09<Slurb>hacknoes whats in your modprobe.conf
11:10<Slurb>hackndoes: ^
11:10<hackndoes>lemme check
11:10<themill>gast: you need to help yourself here. No-one can answer your question until you put the information I've asked for in a pastebin.
11:10<hackndoes>Slurb, options parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7 dma=3
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11:11<gast>themill which additional info do you need?
11:11<hackndoes>that's all i have there
11:11<themill>gast: [16:02] <themill> gast: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy apt-file apt libapt-pkg-perl libc6"
11:12<gast>themill i queried you before, maybe you blocked it. please have a look here:
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11:13<Slurb>i'll find you a how-to
11:13<Slurb>too much to explain
11:13<hackndoes>Slurb, thanks
11:13<themill>gast: it's best not to use private messages as other people can't help you the recipient not be around. That's also not the output that I asked for.
11:15<Slurb>hackndoes: just create a file
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11:16<hackndoes>and leave everything else intact?
11:16<Slurb>and add "options parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7 dma=3" without the quotes
11:17<hackndoes>to the new file?
11:17<hackndoes>and remove the modprobe.conf?
11:17<hackndoes>from /etc
11:17<Slurb>rename it .olt
11:17<Slurb>just in case this messes something up
11:18<Slurb>it shouldnt
11:18<Slurb>but best to be safe
11:18<hackndoes>OK. can you give me a how to anyway so i can understand what causes it .etc?
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11:18<Slurb>its a deprecated file
11:18<Slurb>no longer used
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11:18<Slurb>or it was saved in the wrong place by an application
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11:20<Slurb>thats what i referred to
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11:21<hackndoes>thanks alot
11:21<hackndoes>will check if it solves the issue
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11:24<gast>themill was this useful for you
11:24<themill>gast: no. It's not the output that I asked for.
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11:30<bighornram>Slurb: tried refreshing mime database and restarting xserver but didn't fix it.
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11:33<lixhell>i need help with fglrx
11:33<Slurb>bighornram: its the filetype thats wrong
11:33<bighornram>did you fix it?
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11:34<Slurb>bighornram: i cant fint the config that describes what to do with a desktop config file
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11:39<hackndoes>Slurb, well thanks, the file should be named, local.conf and it works great
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11:40<hackndoes>i also encountered a new thing, an error on FAM no running at startup, but i already saw a post from today saying it's not functionality error but and operation the init script runs after shutting down fam that spits that
11:40<Slurb>bighornram: you can just creat launchers on the desktop and make the command iceweasel "link address" and you can change the icon to the web icon too
11:41<Slurb>hackndoes: cool im glad, i can't stand errors
11:41<hackndoes>me too, it makes me feel unsafe
11:42<hackndoes>i moved to Debian to get free from errors
11:42<bighornram>i only drag a link to the desktop if i find a page somewhere that i want to return to but not wanting to add more to my way overfull browser bookmarks. :(
11:42<Slurb>debian is rock solid as long as you stick with stable
11:42<hackndoes>Slurb, true, but testing always have better support for some new things
11:43<Slurb>i see
11:43<Slurb>hackndoes: i stick with stable and backports
11:44<hackndoes>yeah but somethings are not backported
11:44<Slurb>hackndoes: that is true
11:44<hackndoes>like, the multimedia gecko plugin for browser
11:44<bighornram>I ran testing for several years without much trouble, a couple months ago something really wicked happened, now I'm using backports.
11:44<hackndoes>Slurb, needed it for my streaming readio
11:45<hackndoes>that wicked that made you go back to stable?
11:45<Slurb>testing can be dangerous
11:45<bighornram>totally broke, couldn't boot at all
11:45<hackndoes>Hummmm you make feel a bit sorry for upgrading, you are making me scared now.......
11:46<hackndoes>not to mention i am not an expert at all, even might say midium level usre
11:46<Slurb>if it is stable change back your sources.list
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11:46<Slurb>and the updates wont come untill stable is there
11:46<bighornram>like i said, always was able to fix small things that happened with upgrades but they DO warn us about testing, that is why it is called testing.
11:46<hackndoes>Slurb, but updated are what fix things no?
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11:47<Slurb>hackndoes: updates in testing can break things
11:47<Slurb>hackndoes: i would advise changing your sources.list back to stable
11:47<hackndoes>Slurb, but testing will become stable in like what? 2 years or so?
11:47<bighornram>updates change to the next version. my understanding, the change may make something better but may break something else. that is why it is in a testing version.
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11:48<hackndoes>yeah i hear you
11:48<hackndoes>so change every testing entry in sources to stable?
11:48<hackndoes>do you have any idea when is it due to become stable?
11:48<bighornram>so you do get better/newer apps but risk that it may break something else. usually the something else will be fixed shortly after it is broken though
11:49<Slurb>hackndoes: the thing is when you change them to testing you will never have stable...always the new testing
11:49<dpkg>There is no estimate for the release of <squeeze> currently. Subscribe to <d-d-a> to get news on the subject.
11:50<bighornram>i'm quite satisfied with backports,
11:50<lixhell>any with debian sid ??
11:50<hackndoes>thanks themill
11:50<Slurb>i ran sid for a while but im back with stable now
11:50<Slurb>just to check it out
11:51<Slurb>very broken though
11:51<lixhell>i running stable - up to sid now
11:51<lixhell>ia32-libs with conflict problem
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11:51<hackndoes>Slurb, will i get stable updates? will anything on my testing machine get broken now?
11:51<Slurb>lixhell: been broke for a while
11:51<hackndoes>i do have newer packages on my machine then in repos
11:52*themill subscribes lixhell to debian-devel
11:52<Slurb>hackndoes: now you will be safe but you wont recieve updates untill the new package version is higher
11:52<lixhell>i have ia32-libs instaled with ia32-apt-get simultaneous???
11:52<handjob> 0 [Live ]: EMU10K1 - SB Live 5.1
11:52<Slurb>lixhell what are you trying to do?
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11:53<hackndoes>Slurb, and it can't be higher in stable then what i have installed now in testing?
11:53<lixhell>put drivers fglrx 9.6
11:53<Slurb>hackndoes: it will be just not for a while
11:53<lixhell>but i get white screen with lenny
11:53<Slurb>hackndoes: and there are programs that werent even updated when you switched to testing
11:54<bighornram>you could dpkg -P it and then reinstall it, that would return it to the stable version wouldnt' it?
11:54<lixhell>then i try upgrade for sid, why drm2 and fglrx 9.6 in the repository
11:54<hackndoes>Slurb, but when it will update, won't it screw my stuff on squeez? since the squeez version uses, for instance, a newer libc or something?
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11:55<lixhell>i get new libc
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11:56<lixhell>but ia32-libs need ia32-apt-get and ia32-apt-get conflict with ia32-libs in the sid
11:56<lixhell>dead lock
11:56<Slurb>hackndoes: i dont think it will try to downgrade unless you have broken packages
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11:56<Slurb>lixhell: these are common problems with an unstable version of debian
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11:57<hackndoes>use a semaphore :)
11:57<themill>lixhell: welcome to sid. Read debian-devel over the past few weeks for a few ways around this
11:57<lixhell>ok, but any have a solution ???
11:57<hackndoes>i heard he has a solution
11:57<hackndoes>just kidding
11:58<Slurb>hackndoes: change your sources.list to say squeeze instead of testing and everything should be good
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11:58<hackndoes>oh, but squeeze is testing so why is there a difference?
11:59<Slurb>hackndoes: if you change it to stable it may break something with an install of a package
11:59<Slurb>hackndoes: squeeze will become stable someday "testing" never will
12:00<lixhell>good, but squeeze havent fglrx 9.6
12:00<themill>that's a pretty long wait
12:00<lixhell>its bad
12:00<hackndoes>but all testing updates will still be received by me until it's stable, right?
12:00<dpkg>somebody said envy was <search> envy, failing that, <setup x>
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12:01<hackndoes>themill, you where telling me that right?
12:01<Slurb>hackndoes: yes
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12:01<hackndoes>Hmmmmm hopefullly nothing will break, will need to double check every update suggested
12:02<lixhell>ok, thanks
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12:13<hackndoes>if i have waiting updates, and in the gnome update manager i can't see the changes (it says "Downloading list of changes" but stuck) and can't see the fix itself) how do i see this info?
12:13<hackndoes>i wanna check it out before installing an update
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12:18<handjob>Gentleman before i will flood you with other question can you tell me how to change xchat spellcheck's language so i won't sound stupid?
12:19<chealer>hackndoes: for which package?
12:20<chealer>handjob: did you ask #xchat?
12:20<hackndoes>say libgdbm3?
12:20<hackndoes>is that a package?
12:20<chealer>hackndoes: it is.
12:20<handjob>chealer, No i am such a noob. Thank you for suggestion brb.
12:21<hackndoes>chealer, thanks, and i guess i can look up this for every package
12:21<chealer>hackndoes: yes
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12:24<hackndoes>chealer, so how do i find the package for libwww-curl-perl?
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12:24<chealer>hackndoes: you mean the changelog?
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12:25<hackndoes>i can't find it
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12:27<hackndoes>can be done from aptitude i see
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13:17<chaos>if i have p4 and according to /proc/cpuinfo i have 2 cpus do i need ...686-smp or no smp?
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13:19<vvas>i thought all kernel images were smp-enabled these days
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13:21<chealer>chaos: which Debian suite do you use?
13:21<chaos>none yet
13:21<chaos>installing etch with debootstrap atm
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13:21<chealer>chaos: is there any reason why you're installing etch?
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13:22<chaos>kernel-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 - transition package
13:22<chaos>kernel-image-2.6-686-smp - Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP - transition package
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13:22<chaos>cos the howto focuses on etch :)
13:22<vvas>chaos: you should be installing lenny really
13:22<chaos>these names are annoying
13:22<chaos>lenny is which? stable? testing?
13:23<vvas>lenny is stable
13:23<vvas>etch is oldstable
13:23<egamonal>is it a problem is «$ compiz --replace» ouptuts «Checking for Xgl: not present. » ? because I haven't got window borders :(
13:23<chaos>i'll apt-distupgrade to testing once i'm in debian instead of this fedora crap
13:23<vvas>egamonal: no, lack of Xgl is definitely not the cause
13:24<egamonal>maybe something in xorg.conf
13:24<chaos>anyway.. back to my question ...
13:24<vvas>chaos: still, your starting point should be stable, as oldstable->testing transitions are unsupported and bound to cause problems
13:24<chaos><chaos> kernel-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 - transition package
13:24<chaos><chaos> kernel-image-2.6-686-smp - Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP - transition package
13:24<chaos>which one?
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13:25<chaos>well then i'll do it in 2 steps :s
13:25<chaos>oldstable -> stable -> testing
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13:26<vvas>chaos: the answer to your question is that you should be installing lenny, where there are no separate smp/nonsmp packages and the question is moot
13:27<chaos>bleh .. so i can start over then, right?
13:31<vvas>it's probably better at this point, as i imagine you're not *that* far into the installation yet
13:31<egamonal>why is my cube a plane instead of a cube? :'(
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13:31<vvas>egamonal: compiz default settings? fire up the compiz preferences and change it
13:32<vvas>though in my experience, after having the cube for some weeks i found it too distracting and switched it to the wall (the plane that you mentioned)
13:32<egamonal>yep, I know this effect
13:33<egamonal>I use it much more than the cube
13:33<vvas>then i eventually found the wall too distracting too, and switched its transition times to zero :^)
13:33<egamonal>the point is that the actual cube has become a plane :p
13:33<egamonal>with metacity window decorator I have 4 desktops and window borders
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13:33<amphi>vvas: heh - I switched to xmonad ;)
13:33<egamonal>with the compiz window manager, 2 desktops and 0 borders
13:34<mama21mama> #supremos
13:34<mama21mama> #supremos
13:34<mama21mama> #supremos
13:34<mama21mama> #supremos
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13:34<vvas>egamonal, so how did you solve your window decorations problem?
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13:34<egamonal>i didn't solve it :p
13:35<egamonal>I installed fusion-icon, so I can change the window manager with one click
13:35<vvas>amphi: i've seen it mentioned in this channel before, but configuring my window manager by editing text files is not my cup of tea anymore kthx
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13:37<vvas>anyway, i'm off, later
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13:38<chaos>which one is testing now?
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13:40<mama21mama> #supremos
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13:47<gast>themill may I ask for an update
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13:49<themill>gast: Would you feel more comfortable seeking help in German in I am still waiting for you to provide me with output and we don't seem to be getting anywhere.
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13:52<gast>themill did you receive this?
13:53<themill>gast: that wasn't the output to the command last time either and it still isn't now.
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13:53<Kanedauy>question, I have a Intel Xeon E5310, what architecture is this, amd64 or ia64?
13:53<gast>themill why do you think so?
13:53<themill>gast: [16:02] <themill> gast: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy apt-file apt libapt-pkg-perl libc6"
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13:55<themill>gast: the output you are showing me is useless. I cannot help you unless you provide more information. I've now asked you for to pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy apt-file apt libapt-pkg-perl libc6" six times... I'm tired of this game. If you want help, you need to help yourself. If you'd be happier seeking help in German, then please ask in
13:55<gast>themill sorry for this. please see now
13:56<themill>gast: thanks
13:57<themill>gast: you have a strange blend of lenny (stable) and squeeze (testing). Until you solve that, you are not going to be able to install apt-file.
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13:57<themill>gast: You either need to reinstall stable or upgrade completely to testing and suffer the instability and troubles that will bring you.
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13:58<gast>themill i cant see unstable sources. can you help me please
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14:02<lomb>hey, anyone know why skype won't install ?
14:02*lomb types 'sudo apt-get install skype" in vain
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14:02<dr|z3d>lomb: Add Skype's repository first.
14:02<craigevil>lomb: add the skype repo to yours sources.list or just download the .deb from
14:03<dr|z3d>repository is the preferred method; means you autoupdate when there's a new release.
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14:06<EmleyMoor>What's the correct "head" to pipe a DVD through to md5sum?
14:08<EmleyMoor>I have an image I've written and could do with an "always works" command rather than using the bs= and count= parameters to dd
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14:11<themill>!check iso image
14:11<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum
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14:13<EmleyMoor>Thanks - that will be very useful to me
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14:15<lomb>Weird, when I open Skype I have no sound anymore
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14:23<chaos>vvas / chealer ok .. now i have lenny and apt-cache kernel-image gives me squat .. where do i get a kernel to install from?
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14:23<craigevil>chaos: linux-image
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14:29<chaos>update-modules was replaced by?
14:31<chaos>someone plz :(
14:31<EmleyMoor>I think it was totally done away with
14:31<EmleyMoor>Why do you need it?
14:32<EmleyMoor>(there was a new modprobe config method a while back)
14:32<chaos>i'm following this howto on installing debian with deboostrap from a redhat system
14:32<chaos>and step N is update-modules ;)
14:32<chaos>but it might be N+1
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14:34<EmleyMoor>Never worked from it - it sounds like it might be quite out of date
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14:38<phorce1>is /sys populated at boot by the system?
14:39<amphi>it is here
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14:40<phorce1>OK, copying / to another drive and needed to figure out which directories to not try to copy (like .proc /sys /tmp)
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14:41<adama>don't forget /dev
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14:43<phorce1>adama: already did the copy and had all the others excluded. /sys was giving me fits so I figured IO'd ask if I needed to exclude it as well
14:44<ml|>phorce1: maybe exclude /var/cache/apt/
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14:45<phorce1>ml|: I do aptitude clean fairly often so it should be OK
14:45<ml|>ok :)
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14:46<Guest1690>sorry but I have a little problem with my debian 5 etch
14:46<Guest1690>sorry, stable version
14:46<phorce1>now i have to get grub working with the new drive. Should I boot a livecd to make those changes or can I do it in single user mode
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14:47<ml|>hmm, i wonder why i don't have /dev excluded from my rsnapshot.conf isn't /dev recreated at each boot?
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14:47<Guest1690>I need to active the mkfs.vfat for my debian, but... what?? re=compiling the kernel?
14:48<phorce1>ml|: only parts of it are created at boot. Need to have those tty's available
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14:50<phorce1>Guest1690: vfat is included in the default kernel. for mkfs.vfat you probably need to aptitude install dosfstools
14:50<ml|>phorce1: i would use a livecd, so you are saying it needs to be backup? i set that up a while ago and don't remember the reason behind backing/dev
14:50<phorce1>ml|: moving the OS to a new drive. Old drive is throwing errors and remounting ro every few days requiring reboot and manual fsck
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14:53<vvas>chaos: it's still update-modules, in package module-init-tools
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14:54<ml|>ah, ok did not read what you had said before
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14:57<DaDaDooDo_>hey guys i need to reinstall just Grub
14:58<edu>you can use supergrub disk
14:58<edu>it's pretty easy and fast
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15:02<DaDaDooDo_>is there any way i can do it in a live ubuntu disk? I'm in a live ubuntu session currently
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15:03<egamonal>is still valid that? apt-get install compiz-fusion-gnome
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15:12<dr|z3d>egamonal: See if it's a listed package in your repos: apt-cache search compiz
15:12<egamonal>yes it is, but last year I installed it using an extra repo
15:13<egamonal>it looks like it's not necessary any longer
15:13<egamonal>this one deb ./
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15:14<craigevil>egamonal: shame's repo is no longer maintained
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15:16<arcangel777>sera a tutti
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15:36<egamonal>does anyone remember that i've been here all day long trying to fix that window borders missing?
15:36<egamonal>well, it happens that the window decorator plugin is *disabled by default*
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15:37<egamonal>now it's enabled, now I can relax
15:37<jrabbit>maybe metacity crashed?
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15:37<azeem_>sounds like compiz
15:37<egamonal>jrabbit, are you talking to me?
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15:37<jrabbit>see if your WM/decorator is even on
15:38<egamonal>actually i formatted my HD after two and a half years with debian
15:38<jrabbit>Some times they error and don't fall back
15:38<egamonal>and i got in trouble with compiz
15:38<jrabbit>so its a stock install? or compiz
15:38<egamonal>it's now fixed, but the mistake whas as stupid as not enabling the window decoration
15:38<jrabbit>I think you want compiz --replace or w/e
15:38<egamonal>yep, stock , with nvidia drivers from repos
15:38<jrabbit>or metacity --replace
15:38<jrabbit>get a wm up
15:39<jrabbit>then restore order
15:39<egamonal>compiz --replace to enable it, metacity --replace when it crashes to restre it, yeah
15:39<egamonal>i'm gonna have a shower
15:39<jrabbit>maybe you should fiddle with compiz because it should automatically fall back in recent versions...
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15:41<chaos>quick question and yes i have nfi clue ... once i chroot to the folder where i've installed the debian with debootstrap .. whatever i install with apt-get ... it's not changing my underlying OS, right?
15:42<jrabbit>make sure its the apt-get in the chroot
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15:44<chaos>it was
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15:44<flami>Hi, Im just wondering , why do I get pulseaudio with openJDK ? Im totally happy without pulse
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15:47<dr|z3d>flami: Because the package isn't tailored totally to your specific use case?
15:47<vvas>chaos: that is correct
15:48<phorce1>has anyone here actually used the "super grub" CD when moving / and /boot to a new hard drive? I'm at the stage that all files have been moved to the new drive and /etc/fstab on the new drive has been updated. Just need to change the boot order in bios and get grub to use the new drive
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15:48<vvas>phorce1: and the question is ...?
15:49<flami>It dont really see the point install a soundserver when I want the java runtime ^^. or cant I make noise without pulse?
15:49<phorce1>vvas: does super grub work or would I be better off using a livecd and manually editing grub stuff
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15:50<vvas>flami: it doesn't appear to be a hard requirement
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15:51<vvas>flami: from what i can see, the JDK/JRE only depends on libpulse0 (the pulseaudio library), which then simply suggests pulseaudio
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15:51<flami>I see its only a suggestion.
15:51<vvas>phorce1: well, from what you're saying you've already done the job with it, so why not go ahead and try it?
15:52<flami>Im cool now :P I was just wondering why It wantedt o give me the whole sound server ^^.
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15:53<phorce1>vvas: I'm about to. Staring at bios right now trying to figure out which 80G drive is the net root/boot
15:54<smart>i need install zimbra
15:55<smart>do you know?
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15:55<dpkg>Zimbra Collaboration Suite (ZCS) is a <groupware> application by Zimbra Inc. The open-source version is not currently packaged for Debian, see #498316 in the <BTS> for identified packaging issues. #zimbra on
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15:56<smart>it. I instaled in server internal here, but not open page administrator https:localhost:7071
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15:57<smart>"netstat -an" not listen 7071 port
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16:06<adama>you mean https://localhost:7071 right?
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16:07<adama>and you started the zimbra service?
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16:12<Tuplad>if I run a 32bit version of a program on a 64bit, how much will it matter ?
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16:13<adama>not at all.
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16:14<Tuplad>azeem_: lets say I'd to run flash-player-nonfree instead of the sluggish swfdec
16:16<Tuplad>I'd like to*
16:17<sney>iirc there is a 64-bit flashplugin-nonfree
16:17<Tuplad>sney: afaik, there isn't, let me check the repo again
16:17<Tuplad>sney: oh goddamn me :o there is
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16:18<sney>yeah I'm not sitting on my AMD64 system right at the moment but I was sure I had watched youtube on it
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16:19<Tuplad>thanks :)
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16:23<vvas>yeah i've been using that for ages now
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16:28<egamonal>more trouble with compiz
16:28<egamonal>now windows are stucked: can't move them
16:28<egamonal>if I disable compiz, I can, of course
16:29<dr|z3d>egamonal: #compiz-fusion on freenode is your best bet for troubleshooting.
16:30<egamonal>i didn't know that channel
16:30<amphi>egamonal: is the move plugin enabled? ;)
16:30<egamonal>thank you! :D
16:30<egamonal>that's what I just found...
16:30<egamonal>those basic plugins should be enabled by default
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16:30<egamonal>mandriva does so, and it's much more comfortable
16:30<vvas>egamonal, did you solve the decorator issue after all? how?
16:30<amphi>egamonal: you think people should just be allowed to move windows by default??
16:31<amphi>it'd just be anarchy
16:31<egamonal>vvas, the plugin wasn't activated
16:31<egamonal>i checked a checkbox >.<
16:31<dr|z3d>Yeah, next users will be wanting to click things and stuff. Can't let that happen!
16:32<egamonal>okay okay, let's forget that, users have the duty to learn :p
16:33<vvas>ah, hadn't realized it's controlled by a plugin
16:33<egamonal>that's it
16:33<egamonal>it's so frustrating lol
16:33<amphi>window decorations waste space
16:34<egamonal>sure, and that stupid thing with alt+tab does, too
16:34<egamonal>another thing I just realised it's controlled by a plugin
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16:36<gberardi>I'm trying to get info from dpkg in this channel about apt and the use of authentication keys, but I must not know the right term to ask it because it insists it knows nothing about it. I'm not seeing anything on it in the wiki's apt-get or DebianPackageManagement pages.
16:37<gberardi>If I want to apt-get update, it tells me that signatures couldn't be verified and public keys aren't available. What am I supposed to do?
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16:38<egamonal>basically, you have to retrieve the key
16:38<egamonal>there are several methods
16:38<egamonal>does it complain about any special repo?
16:39<gberardi>I get W: GPG error: testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B
16:39<gberardi>And also one for unstable
16:39<egamonal>yep, that's normal
16:39<egamonal>it isn't branch-dependant
16:39<egamonal>have a quick look here
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16:40<gberardi>Thanks, egamonal
16:40<egamonal>you're welcome :)
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16:41<vvas>i don't see how that blog post is going to help him
16:42<egamonal>I read it to fast :p
16:42<egamonal>sorry gberardi , maybe this post
16:42<vvas>gberardi: you need to manually download and install the debian-archive-keyring
16:42<chealer>gberardi: which Debian suite do you use?
16:43<vvas>gberardi: though i wonder why you'd need this, it's generally not needed...
16:44<vvas>egamonal: if you don't know the answer yourself, it's best to leave it to others to answer instead of looking for random links on the internet...
16:44<gberardi>chealer: I have my archives pointed at testing on this machine.
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16:44<chealer>gberardi: when did you do your last update?
16:44<gberardi>vvas: Actually the first link was helpful as an overview, even if it didn't answer my question directly.
16:45<gberardi>chealer: A loooong time ago. Probably months, and possibly before January. Er, I would think there should be a way for me to see the last updates done, though. I just don't remember where to look.
16:46<chealer>gberardi: the dpkg logs, but I get the idea. you first need to update to lenny
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16:48<gberardi>Ok, if I found the latest log, it seems I last updated in October of 2008.
16:48<gberardi>Huh. I could have sworn I did so earlier this year, but oh well.
16:49<gberardi>vvas: Why would you tell me I need something that you wonder why I would need?
16:49<gberardi>chealer: Ok, so are you saying that I need to update my keys before I do the update to testing/squeeze?
16:49<vvas>gberardi: because in most cases you should already have it (and therefore you wouldn't need to get it)
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16:50<vvas>but yes, what chealer said
16:51<chealer>gberardi: you can. could you show your APT sources?
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16:52<gberardi>It's four lines. Would you prefer a paste-bin or can I post them here?
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16:52<gberardi>deb testing main non-free contrib
16:52<gberardi>deb-src testing main non-free contrib
16:53<gberardi>deb unstable main non-free contrib
16:53<gberardi>deb-src unstable main non-free contrib
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16:53<gberardi>In my configuration, APT::Default-Release "testing";
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16:55<chealer>gberardi: 1. change your sources commenting the testing sources and changing the unstable sources to stable. 2. update your indices. 3. upgrade.
16:55<chealer>gberardi: then you'll be running stably
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16:55<gberardi>Ok, and from there I can change my sources to testing and it should be a smooth transition, at least as far as authentication goes?
16:57<chealer>gberardi: yes
16:57<gberardi>Ok, thanks!
16:58<gberardi>I'll kick off this update and can finally start vacuuming. B-)
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17:01<rjent>Greetings, what would cause Commit interval 5 seconds
17:01<rjent> EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. to appear over and over
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17:03<gnufan>rjent: mounting and ext3 file system over and over ;) Which file system?
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17:04<rjent>gnufan: well I think /
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17:06<rjent>gnufan: if I remove boot params except kernel /boot/path/blah root=/dev/sda1 then it boots but if I add a boot param like ro then if flakes out
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17:16<gnufan>rjent: / is usually mounted read only, then remounted read/write. You sure you want to specify read-only?
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17:21<rjent>gnufan: well I am copying over the contents of a debian live cd
17:21<rjent>so I think ro is correct to try to run the d-l from disk
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17:33<jspiros>I've got an IPv6 tunnel with setup, and it works great
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17:34<jspiros>However, whenever I connect to something via IPv6, it defaults to using the local tunnel endpoint, and not the IPv6 address that I assigned to one of my interfaces
17:34<jspiros>this is a routing issue, I just am not sure how to set up the default route as something other than the local tunnel endpoint
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17:35<jspiros>my /etc/network/interfaces, and output of /sbin/ip -6 route show:
17:36<jspiros>essentially, I would like <<localipv6>> to be what I connect to things from, but right now it's using <<localipv6endpoint>>
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17:36<locklace>jspiros: just change the default route.
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17:37<jspiros>locklace: I guess I'm confused then, as to how <<localipv6>> will know to route through the tunnel
17:39<locklace>jspiros: yeah, you are. unless you have an IPv6 router hanging off of eth1, there's no point in pointing the default route out of it.
17:39<jspiros>locklace: right, this machine is working as a router. I've got radvd running on eth1, so clients on eth1 -> this machine -> tunnel
17:39<N3M35I5>i have proFTPD and i would like to know how to make it so that ftp users can only see there dedicated folder in /home/ can anyone help please?
17:40<jspiros>locklace: I basically would like that to keep working as it does, but whenever I use irssi on the router, I'd like it to use the <<localipv6>> for the outbound connection
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17:44<jspiros>locklace: if you whois me, you'll see me as jspiros@<<localipv6endpoint>> (the address on he-ipv6, the tunnel). I would like it to say jspiros@<<localipv6>> (the address on eth1).
17:46<locklace>jspiros: when you have multiple interfaces/addresses, the client application has to decide which to bind to if something besides the default behaviour (binding to the address associated with the outbound interface) is desired.
17:47<jspiros>locklace: I guess I'm just wondering if I can set up the default route to the ip on eth1, but then set up a route from the ip on eth1 to the tunnel
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17:48<locklace>jspiros: no. what you want has nothing to do with routing.
17:52<jspiros>locklace: okay, I think I get it
17:53<jspiros>locklace: I'm still not very used to this idea of a machine having multiple IP addresses on the same namespace (i.e., with ipv4 it makes more sense to me because I'm doing NAT)
17:53<locklace>jspiros: try adding an entry for your eth1 address in /etc/hosts and then using the -h option to irssi.
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18:04<phorce1>testing to see what else might be broken after moving to a new hard drive. /boot/grub/ looks all wrong
18:05<phorce1>I ran grub-mkdevicemap
18:05<phorce1>in menu.lst it boots from (hd0,0) but in the actual boot drive is listed as (hd4)
18:05<dr|z3d>phorce1: Give supergrub a go. Might fix it all for you without fuss.
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18:07<phorce1>dr|z3d: it boots fine, it just doesn't look right
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18:08<phorce1>dr|z3d: and supergrub failed big time, I ended up manually editing the boot commands to get booted then manually fixing menu.lst to make it automagic
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18:08<dr|z3d>phorce1: If it boots fine, then I wouldn't spend much time worrying about it.
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18:10<phorce1>dr|z3d: I've already bumped into some "mini-failures" like gnome not starting right. That turned out to be the session file saving hard directory names for the /home that i had symlinked before the move
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18:12<shade369> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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18:18<Bastihase_>hi i have make update and then upgrad on my new debian 5.0 and then i tip top an error come: 'xterm': unknown terminal type.
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18:53<wea0>How "unstable" is Debain unstable? Does it break a lot, or what?
18:53<rumbarg>Unstable isn't that unstable - sid is the one that breaks a log
18:53<rumbarg>oops - lot
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18:54<bja>17:54 < wea0> How "unstable" is Debain unstable? Does it break a lot, or what?
18:54<bja>sorry mouse trouble
18:54<rumbarg>dang mices
18:54<craigevil>instable=sid and it depends on what you know
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18:55<craigevil>!tell wea0 about sid faq
18:56<egamonal>i'd like to change the compiz theme, so I shall use something like Emerald, but it's not on debian repos and looks like there are no precompiled packages available. do I have to compile it myself? is there any easier/lazier way?
18:57<amphi>egamonal: it's not hard to build
18:57<amphi>egamonal: you need to match the version to the compiz release you have
19:00<chealer>rumbarg: sid is unstable's codename
19:00<chealer>wea0: if you don't mind, why?
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19:02<wea0>Well, ... I don't really need sid itself, but what I want is a xserver that is a lot more up2date than version 1.4 which comes with testing.
19:02<rumbarg>chealer: I was already hanging my head in shame :(
19:02<wea0>Do you think that one could install sid's on lenny without breaking the system?
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19:08<chealer>wea0: I guess the worst that would happen would be a X breakage. it should be possible, but also difficult. do you have a reason to upgrade X?
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19:11<egamonal>uhms, checking for EMERALD... configure: error: Package requirements ( xrender >= 0.8.4 .... )
19:11<egamonal>but I just installed libxrender1
19:13<wea0>chealer: I need hotplugging via hal and xserver 1.4 does not support x11_options via fdi-files.
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19:14<themill>egamonal: you probably need libxrender-dev
19:14<egamonal>i also isntalled it
19:14<egamonal>and it returns the same error
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19:15<wea0>xorg7.3 / xserver1.4 was released about two years ago, I really don't understand why the squeeze packe has to be so old...
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19:16<amphi>egamonal: what version have you installed there?
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19:17<egamonal>version of what?
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19:19<amphi>egamonal: now that you ask, compiz, emerald, and libxrender1
19:19<egamonal>compiz and emerald both 0.8.2 (tar here )
19:19<egamonal>and for libxrender... how should i check it?
19:20<themill>wea0: /msg dpkg siyh
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19:24<amphi>egamonal: apt-cache show libxrender1 | grep '^Version'
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19:25<egamonal>amphi, Version: 1:0.9.4-2
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19:26<netzwurm>so googling for grub-pc and hiddenmenu tells me to add the following to /etc/grub.d: However, it seems like the sleep i have installed doesn't support any options other than --help and --version. is there another sleep around that i don't understand?
19:26<amphi>0.9.4 would appear to be >= 0.8.4
19:27<egamonal>but it also complaints about two packages that don't exist, actually
19:27<egamonal>No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
19:27<egamonal>No package 'libwnck-1.0' found
19:27<egamonal>No package 'libdecoration' found
19:27<egamonal>No package 'pangocairo' found
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19:28<egamonal>gtk exists and it's installed, libdecoration exists more or less and it's installed
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19:29<amphi>you need to install the corresponding -dev packages
19:30<wea0>Hmm, ... another question: Does Debian testing installation work out-of-the-box on AHCI anabled machines?
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19:35<egamonal>yeah! emerald configured :)
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19:47<egamonal>and emerald working :)
19:47<egamonal>thank you very much
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19:52*dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay."
19:52<vvas>emerald? does this thing still exist?
19:52<egamonal>not for debian
19:52<amphi>it's still the only really configurable decorator for compiz as far as I know
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19:53<vvas>cool, i'll keep it in mind if i ever decide to run compiz outwith gnome/kde
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19:55<cmiranda>hi people
19:55<cmiranda>anyone use Debian EEepc...?
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19:55<amphi>cmiranda: there's an entire channel for them, I believe
19:55<amphi>stupid fscking drive-by
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20:08<bcstech>hello can anyone help me with a wireless setup
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20:09<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
20:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:10<bcstech>I can see my wireless network and have changed the essid to any and the ap to any everything seems to work until i ifdown and ifup and the dhcp will not pick up
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20:18<bcstech>I have a problem with iwconfig wlan0. I am running debian dont know the version but I just intalled it on my Dell. I run ifdown wlan0 and ifup wlan0 it says DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 it goes five times then says no DHCPOFFERS received
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20:19<abrotman>sounds like it's not configured correctly
20:20<bcstech>okay how should it be configured
20:20<bcstech>it has no encryption
20:21<bcstech>when I do a iwlist scan it sees the wireless router
20:22<abrotman>your wifi has no wep or wpa ?
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20:22<abrotman>which wifi chipset is it ?
20:22<TonyMontana>How's it going I need some assistance
20:22<bcstech>no its open to simplfy things
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20:22<bremner>!tell TonyMontana about ask
20:22<bcstech>it is a intel 3945 wireless
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20:23<bcstech>the drivers and firmware are configured correctly as far as I know
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20:23<dpkg><MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you?
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20:23<bremner>bcstech: can you try with a static IP address?
20:24<bcstech>yes where do I go to set that up
20:24<abrotman>bcstech: check dmesg .. see if it's whining
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20:24<abrotman>bcstech: /etc/network/interfaces
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20:24<Ezekiel>What do you do if you are Kline'd?
20:24<bcstech>okay i ran dmesg
20:25<dr|z3d>Ezekiel: You go have a beer and ask yourself why you behaved like an ass.
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20:26<bcstech>it says pcpi pci interrupt for device 0000:0c:00.0 diabled
20:26<bcstech>also says
20:26<Ezekiel>But I hadn't done anything that bad
20:26<Ezekiel>I need to get back into Ubunut Servers
20:27<bcstech>addrconf (netdev_up): wlan0: link is not ready
20:27<Ezekiel>How do I get back in peeps
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20:27<Ezekiel>Help me
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20:29<bcstech>hold on I think that did it
20:30<Ezekiel>How do I get over a Kline?
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20:30<dr|z3d>Ezekiel: Precisely what has this to do with Debian?
20:31<Ezekiel>You shut the fuck up and help me
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20:31<dr|z3d>!ops Ezekiel needs help.
20:31<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dr|z3d complains about: Ezekiel needs help.
20:31<Ezekiel>whats that for
20:31<abrotman>Ezekiel: be nice or go away
20:32<abrotman>Ezekiel: and if you were klined on freenode, we cannot help you
20:32<Ezekiel>I need help on getting over a Kline
20:32<Ezekiel>How long do Kline's last?
20:32<abrotman>ask freenode .. not us
20:32<Ezekiel>I need their assistance
20:32<abrotman>Ezekiel: do you have a Debian question?
20:32<amphi>so email them
20:32<Ezekiel>How can I ask them if I was banned smart ass?
20:32<abrotman>Ezekiel: do you have a Debian question?
20:33<abrotman>so let's have it
20:33<Ezekiel>How do bypass a Kline, Debian Folks?
20:33<dr|z3d>Modify your attitude, first off. You'll find you don't get k-lined so much if you do. Best advice, Ezekiel
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20:33<abrotman>Ezekiel: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off topic
20:34<Shazburg>Look at that: /ignore Ezekiel
20:35*bremner considers asking for credit card numbers for proof of age on IRC. It's win-win!
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20:57<Ossobras>e ai pessoas, como eu uso essa coisa aqui
20:58<Ossobras>alguem pode me dar uma luz?:
20:58<dimedo>even though there is a rule to create /dev/net/tun when kernel module tun gets loaded, /dev/net/tun never appears for me. any ideas? here's the rule: KERNEL=="tun", NAME="net/%k"
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20:58<dimedo>i'm talking about a udev rule
20:59<Ossobras>fala en portugues por favor
20:59<Ossobras>n entender nada de gringos
20:59<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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21:01<adb>dimedo: don't double past. please
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21:02<dimedo>adb: what?
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21:04<craigevil>dimedo: he means dont post the same issues in #debian on freenode and oftc
21:04<dimedo>but it's not the same channel and there a lot different people in there
21:07<abrotman>dimedo: actually .. lots of the same people
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21:26<dimedo>how can i execute a command before all the daemons start?
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21:28<dkr>dimedo: make your own init script and put it at a lower priority number than the rest
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21:31<Shazburg>I didn't even think there would be a #debian on freenode. I should be good to stick with here, no?
21:31<adb>dimedo: run tunctl -u ee -t tun , this get /dev/net/tun
21:32<adb>sure adapt -u to your user
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21:33<dimedo>adb: i know how to create it manually, but i would like the udev rule to work instead
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21:33<adb>put it in rc.local ..
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21:34<adb>and add tun interface in /etc/netw../interfaces
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21:37<adb>and/or add it to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
21:38<twb>Are there sparc64 and ppc64 versions of Debian, or are you expected to just run 32-bit builds on such machines?
21:38<adb>ppc64 for sure
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21:40<dpkg>ppc64 is powerpc 64 bit sub-architecture of powerpc. It has a project at , please see there for more info. It didn't make it to Etch, and was thus relegated to being a "second-class" arch in Debian.
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21:48<adb>bah , now not so sure ..
21:49<adb>twb: gimme a ppc64, to try myself
21:52<abrotman>i think sparc32 is dead ..
21:52<twb>I was just wondering because a binNMU was needed for all 64-bit systems, and they only did amd64 and ia64.
21:52<twb>And I thought "that can't be right; there must be more 64-bit arches in Debian."
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21:58<sney>the official debian thing to do on sparc64 machines is run the 32-bit sparc version. this is why gentoo is better for sparc64, since it allows the 64-bit kernel/32-bit userland setup that really thrives on that architecture.
21:58<chealer>twb: there is no ppc64 version
21:58*abrotman fixes the factoid
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22:10<twb>The following tasks still have to be done: • Make 'ghc' version 6.6 build on ppc64
22:10<twb>The binNMU I was talking about related to a bug in GHC 6.10.1 :-)
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22:10<edbian>Has anybody seen this yet? :
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22:10<edbian>I thought that the chrome OS was based on the linux kernel. What are they talking about "Completely redesigning the underlying security architecture of the OS"
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22:10<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
22:10<edbian>abrotman: Am I offtopic?
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22:10<abrotman>is Chrome Debian ?
22:11<edbian>Google OS = Linux = Debian (I'd make approximately equals but I don't have a squiggly line equals key)
22:11<abrotman>uh .. no ..
22:11<dr|z3d>edbian: You're on to a loser. Give up now!
22:12<edbian>I'm done :P
22:14<twb>edbian: ≈
22:14<twb>edbian: you can use the TeX input method in Emacs to type \approx to get it.
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22:17<quanhm>Hey Folks. Running lenny trying to lay down an ntfs file system using mkfs -t ntfs /dev/sda1 but I get a "mkfs.ntfs: no such file or directory error." Does this mean I need to install mkfs.ntfs?
22:18<adb>btw , /dev/sda1 is not used by debian
22:19<twb>quanhm: install ntfsprogs
22:20<quanhm>adb: when I plug in a flash drive it registers as /dev/sda...
22:20<quanhm>twb: I'll give it a try. Thanks.
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22:25<sney>edbian, since google uses Ubuntu in their own offices, the Chrome OS will most likely be a modified Ubuntu. Which still falls under the "based on debian" off topic rule. I only hope their default IRC client's conf files don't automatically send people here.
22:25<edbian>I think the OS will be web based
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22:26<sney>that doesn't make any sense.
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22:28<quanhm>twb: Installing ntfsprogs worked. Thanks for your help.
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22:28<sney>apt is awesome (<-- on topic!) so they'll most likely just fork their internal setup and market it. easiest route and their programming staff is already familiar with the platform. take out the need for repositories full of software, since it's all browser based, and you've got yourself an OS that will be functionally useless if your ISP has a DNS hiccup. hmm. I'm sticking with Squeeze.
22:29<dr|z3d>KSplice is good, too. And new!
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22:29<dr|z3d>(Kernel patches without reboots).
22:30<jrabbit>and targeted at ubuntu
22:31<sney>even a blind, brown-and-orange themed squirrel finds a nut sometimes
22:31<Slurb><---blind brown and orange themed squirrel
22:31<twb>sney: unfortunately a lot of stuff is still browser-based even if you run squeeze
22:32<sney>well yes, but I can use my system if the network is down.
22:32<jrabbit>sney: false
22:32<jrabbit>google gears
22:33<jrabbit>offline JS processor and data storage
22:33<sney>hmm. well, it still seems fishy.
22:33<jrabbit>they said they won't release source for years
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22:34<twb>"They aid they won't..." ?
22:35<jrabbit>one year.
22:35<jrabbit>not plural
22:35<twb>Google are the next evil empire
22:35<jrabbit>just because google does it doesn't mean its any good
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22:35<jrabbit>twb: sure if you alter the definition of evil to include not the greatest good for you
22:36<twb>jrabbit: no, "evil empire" as in monopolistic lock-in.
22:36<jrabbit>yeah thats not inanely evil
22:36<jrabbit>try again
22:36<sney>AT&T were an evil empire, but at least they knew it and had a death star as their logo.
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22:37<jrabbit>nothing changed once the public knew
22:37<sney>the gubment made them remove most of their empire, hence all of those baby bells
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22:37<sney>T may still be evil but they're not very imperial these days.
22:38<twb>I was actually thinking more of IBM in the 70s or Microsoft in the 90s
22:38<jrabbit>talking to you is worse then a neocon
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22:38<jrabbit>I swear
22:38<twb>Where people say stuff like "I bought a windows" to mean "I bought a computer".
22:38<jrabbit>I liked it when I though haha "they said freetard they clearly don't understand"
22:38<jrabbit>was a legitimate though
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22:44<dpkg>ppc64 is powerpc 64 bit sub-architecture of powerpc. It has a project at , please see there for more info. It didn't make it to Etch, and was thus relegated to being a "second-class" arch in Debian.
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22:46<Rets>I came here with a question, but that may have been all I needed for it to start working correctly...
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22:52<kmonk>freetard? omfg
22:53<kmonk>some people need to be lined up and shot down, oh well their loss
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22:55<kmonk>i have nothing against google, apart from the fact they are a company willing to sacrifice the freedom of the entire human race through capatalisitc rank based content filtering, it's just dumb that there's no viable alternative - yet
22:55<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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22:56<kmonk>ok... without any real promption i will something about debian to redeem myself
22:57<kmonk>apt-get install bum it's the best startup manager for debian i have ever used
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22:57<kmonk>smxi is the best script for linux, debian in gen i have ever seen
22:58<kmonk>awesome, is currently my fav window manger, second only to lxde
22:59<adb>kmonk: use sidux ?
22:59<abrotman>do you actually have a quesiton ?
22:59<abrotman>adb: try #sidux ?
22:59<adb>not me kmonk maybe
23:00<kmonk>that's just a label now.. it's very much debian sid
23:00<kmonk>a sinlge line in a file somewhere im yet to remove
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23:01<kmonk>okok, guess i'll leave, i thought this was a channel for open-ended debian discussion
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23:02<adb>kmonk: try #smxi
23:03<kmonk>why? im running debian, not smxi
23:05<kmonk>maybe i'll just lurk about saying nothing untill someone joins with a question so that i can pipe up to make a comment or helpful remark >_<
23:06<adb> #smxi is the channel for talking about smxi "script"
23:06<firefox>kmonk, just join the off topic and lurk =)
23:07<chealer>dpkg: no, ppc64 is the 64-bit powerpc sub-architecture. It has a project at
23:07<dpkg>okay, chealer
23:07<kmonk>or create a new channel. #debian-lurkers o_O lol, ok i'll leave you to your work
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23:32<remy>help window balance
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